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amethyst
26-10-2008, 11:14 PM
*Interesting, but gives food for thought, and then Icke may be proved right after all about reptilians and who "seed" they might be

Satan's Impregnation of Eve

-This study written by Maurice Wright

(Part 1)

The book of Genesis is the foundational seed upon which all other scripture rests for support. If you don’t know how it started, you will never understand how it will end. So, with a word of wisdom from our Father, I invite all sincere seekers of truth to take this journey with me into the scriptures. To uncover the evidence that God has left for us in a parable concerning the true sin in Eden which has been hidden since the beginning of time by the fig leaf.


The Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance defined the word ‘parable’ as, "fictitious narrative of common life conveying a moral comparison." (Strong’s #3850).


The word ‘parable’ defined by Nelson Illustrated Bible Dictionary means, "A short, simple story designed to communicate a spiritual truth, religious principle, or moral lesson; a figure of speech in which truth is illustrated by a comparison or example drawn from everyday experiences. A parable is often no more than an extended metaphor or simile, using figurative language in the form of a story to illustrate a particular truth. The Greek word for parable literally means "a laying by the side of" or "a casting alongside," thus a comparison or likeness." In a parable something is placed alongside something else, in order that one may throw light on the other."


In a parable, the teller of the story literally casts or throws a fictitious comparison alongside biblical truth so that the symbolism conveyed in the story throws light on the spiritual. By using this method of teaching, God is able to talk with us in a way that we all understand to lead us to the truth. The confusion over the true sin in Eden have arisen from Christians taking literally, what is expressed by God in figurative language. The serpent, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and the forbidden fruit is expressed metaphorically and was never intended to be taken literally by the Christian reader, but was conveyed by illustration to reveal truth to those who sought truth and conceal truth from those who choose to believe the traditional lie concerning Eden. Eve eating fruit in Eden is the fictitious narrative; Eve partaking of the fruit of Satan’s seed line is the reality.


The Companion Bible King James Version, 19th Appendixes. "In Genesis 3 we have neither allegory, myth, legend, nor fable, but literal historical facts set forth, and emphasized by of the use of certain Figures of speech. All the confusion of thought and conflicting exegesis have arisen from taking literally what is expressed by Figures, or from taking figuratively what is literal. A Figure of speech is never used except for the purpose of calling attention to, emphasizing, and intensifying, the reality of the literal sense, and the truth of the historical facts; so that, while the words employed may not be so strictly true to the letter, they are all the more true to the truth conveyed by them, and to the historical events connected with them. But for the figurative language of verses 14 and 15 no one would have thought of referring the third chapter of Genesis to a snake: no more than he does when reading the third chapter from the end of Revelation (ch. 20.2). Indeed, the explanation added there, that the "old serpent" is the Devil and Satan, would immediately lead one to connect the word "old" with the earlier and former mention of the serpent in Gen. 3: and the fact that it was Satan himself who tempted "the second man", "the last Adam" (Luke 4:1-13), would force the conclusion that no other than the personal Satan could have been the tempter of "the first man, Adam".


Genesis 3:1-Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?


The identity of this so-called snake is given in Revelation 12:7-9 & Revelation 20:1-2.


Genesis 3:2-3-And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.


The Hebrew word for ‘touch’ is ‘naga’ a prime root that means, "to lay the hand upon for any purpose, euphemism; to lie with a woman." (Strong’s #5060)


The word ‘euphemism’ defined by Webster’s Dictionary means, "the substitution of an agreeable or inoffensive expression for one that may offend or suggest something unpleasant."


Through the Hebrew translation of the word "touch," it is obvious that the King James translators were very kind to the Christian readers who like apple stories. In their translation of the King James Bible from the Hebrew manuscript they inserted a ‘euphemism’ to express the less offensive word, "touch," instead of the "logos" that God spoke in the manuscript, "naga," meaning, to lie with a woman. In spite of this truth, 99.9% of all churches still teach the watered-down euphemism of the parable and thus covers up the truth just like Adam and Eve did with the fig leaf.

http://menastreesministry.org/studies/ForbiddenFruit.htm

amethyst
26-10-2008, 11:17 PM
Satan's Impregnation of Eve (Cont.)

Part 2)

Genesis 3:7-And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and sewed fig leaves together, and made aprons.


The phrase ‘fig leaf’ defined by Webster’s Dictionary means, "A representation of such a leaf used, as in sculpture, to conceal the genitals of a nude."


Now let’s get real. Had Adam and Eve eaten an big red apple or some other fruit as some suggest then, wouldn’t they have made a mask to cover the sin of their mouth? No, they took fig leaves and made aprons to conceal their private genitals that were used to commit the sin. This is why Jesus said, "Now learn the parable of the fig tree" (Matthew 24:32). The garden of Eden is where it started. It wasn’t in an apple orchard as some foolishly teach, but it was in a fig grove and that’s why the fig leaves, to hide and conceal the sexual sin that took place there.


Most Christians correctly connect the prophecy of Jeremiah Chapter 24 with the tribe of Judah becoming a sovereign nation in 1948. I wonder how many Christians can correctly connect the evil figs in that prophecy with the origins of their seed line that was conceived in the fig grove? God told the tribe of Judah in Jeremiah 24 that when He planted them in their own land after their captivity, the evil figs, symbolic of Satan’s children, will be residents in the land. Given this prophecy concerning the evil children in the land of Judea, a person does not have to be a rocket scientist to understand the reason why Israel is now being suicide bombed on a daily basis.


I’m amazed at how some Christians literally check their common sense at the door of their local church and proceed to allow some man to insult their intelligence with fruit trees and apple stories. Jesus told us to be fruit inspectors and test the fruit of every tree. Well, check out this tree. Adultery was the sin that this so-called tree produced when Eve partook of the fruit of Satan’s seed line. The fruit of a woman’s womb is a Hebrew idiom that describes childbearing.


Luke 1:41-42-And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost. And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.


Elisabeth was six months pregnant with John the Baptist when, she heard Mary’s salutation of her conception of the Jesus Christ. It was God’s divine plan from the beginning to bring forth Jesus Christ the First fruit of the woman’s womb through Eve and Mary (Luke 1:26-36).


The word ‘fruit’ in Hebrew means, "bough or first fruit." (Strong’s #5629)


The word ‘bough’ defined by Webster’s Dictionary means, "branch of a tree especially a main branch."


Through the Hebrew translation of the words "fruit" and "bough" we have by definition a vivid description of Jesus, the First fruit (1Corinthians 15:20) and the Branch of God (Isaiah 4:2). According to Mosaic law, the first fruit of the family seed line inherited the birthright. Lucifer was aware of this law and tried to use it to his advantage by sowing the fruit of his seed line in Eve first to attain the birthright for his son Cain.


The word ‘new fruit’ in Hebrew means, "to burst the womb, bear or make early fruit of woman or tree, to give birthright: make first born." (Strong’s #1069)


Genesis 4:1-And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.


By the time Eve had consummated her marriage with Adam in Genesis 4:1-2 she was already pregnant with the Devil’s evil seed Cain in Genesis 3:13-16 (1 John 3:12 & Matthew 13:36-39).


Genesis 4:2-And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a tiller of the ground.


The word ‘again’ in Hebrew means, "to continue to do a thing." (Strong’s #3254)

http://menastreesministry.org/studies/ForbiddenFruit-2.htm

thirdwave
26-10-2008, 11:21 PM
so does this mean that what you guys think is "Satan" could actually be "Satan's"?

amethyst
26-10-2008, 11:23 PM
Satan's Impregnation of Eve

(Part 3)

Through the Hebrew translation of the word ‘again’ we now know that after Eve gave birth to Cain she continued in labor and had Abel. They were fraternal twins but not by the same father. According to the "Parent’s Guide," if two eggs are released from one or both of the woman’s ovaries and both are fertilized by two different male sperms (Satan and Adam) in close proximity to each other, then each egg will continue to develop into children (Cain & Abel).


DNA Paternity Test Reveals Twins With Different Fathers


"Cincinnati, OH. U.S.A. December 13, 2005-DNA Diagnostics Center (DDC), a Leading DNA testing company, reports several cases of twins that DNA paternity testing proved to have different fathers. Such occurrences, although rare, are being more frequently revealed via DNA testing.


"These cases underline the necessity for testing both fraternal twins in a paternity test if any doubt at all exists about the circumstances surrounding the twins’ conception," says Dr Michael Baird, DDC’s laboratory director. Paternity test results are often used as basis for child support and custody decisions. Further, the biological father’s medical history, such as information about hereditary disease, could be important for a child’s overall health maintenance.


Fraternal twins are formed when two separate eggs are fertilized by two sperms. If a woman has contact with different partners within her fertile time period and has multiple ovulations it is possible for her to have fraternal twins or even triplets with different fathers. This phenomenon has been dubbed in medical literature as heteropaternal superfecundation.


"There is a small time window when eggs are able to be fertilized," says Dr. Baird. Sperm cells can live inside a woman’s body for 4-5 days. Once ovulation occurs, the egg remains viable for 12-48 hours before it begins to disintegrate. Thus, the fertile period can span 5-6 days.


Legal Battle Over Fraternal Twins with Two Different Fathers


"The Twins with Two Fathers’ by Lori K. Baker, Ladies Home Journal Feb., 1996. Lauren and Megan Taylor, fraternal twins with different fathers, face separation. Lauren’s father, Peter Tonnessen, is seeking to gain custody of her. The girls mother, Brenda, claims Peter raped her the night after she had sex with her fiancé, dean."

The Parent’s Guide to Raising Twins by Friedrich E. Beth


"Usually only one egg is shed from a woman’s ovaries in each menstrual cycle. If two are released from one or both ovaries, and both are fertilized by sperms, then each will continue to develop into children who will be as alike or as different as any two brothers or sister. The two fertilized eggs may implant themselves into the wall of the uterus close together or far apart. If they are far apart, the placentas will be completely separate. If they are close together, the placentas and chorions may fuse. The two ova are probably fertilized at the same time, but there have been cases recorded in which a woman has borne twins by different men."


For those doubters who question God’s word as to whether angelic beings can impregnate human women, than I highly recommend they read Genesis 6:1-4 & Jude 1:6-7, where it states that the fallen angels in Genesis chapter six left their first estate in heaven and came to earth and impregnated the daughters of men. The result of that unholy union produced giants that were born into the world. For this reason, God brought in the flood to destroy that angelic offspring.


James Moffatt Bible Translation Of Genesis Chapter Six


Genesis 6:1-4-Now when men began to multiply over all the world and had daughters born to them, the angels noticed that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any one of them that they chose. So the Eternal said, Human creatures are but flesh; my spirit is not to be immortal in them; they shall not live more than a hundred and twenty years. It was in these days that the Nephilim giants arose on earth, as well as afterwards whenever angels had intercourse with the daughters of men and had children born to them; these were the heroes who were famous in the days of old.


Tyndale Living Bible Translation Of Genesis Chapter Six


Genesis 6:1-4-Now a population explosion took place upon the earth. It was at this time that beings from the spirit world looked upon the beautiful women and took any they desired to be their wives. Then Jehovah said, My spirit must not forever be disgraced in man, wholly evil as he is. I will give him 120 years to mend his ways. In those days, and even afterwards, when the evil beings from the spirit world were sexually involved with human women, their children became giants, of whom so many legends are told.


Jospehus, The Jewish Historians Account Of The Angelic Marriages


Book 1, Chapter 3-"For many angels of God accompanied with women, and begat sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strenght; for the tradition is, That these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call giants. But Noah was very uneasy at what they did; and, being displeased at their conduct, persuaded them to change their disposition and their acts for the better; but seeing that they did not yield to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they had married; so he departed out of that land.


Now God loved this man for his righteousness; yet he not only condemned those other men for their wickedness, but was determined to destroy the whole race of mankind, and to make another race that should be pure from wickedness; and, cutting short their lives, and making their years not so many as they formerly lived, but one hundred and twenty only, he turned the dry land into sea; and thus were all these men destroyed."


Let’s continue our study in Genesis chapter three to explore how Eve’s mental fascination with this so-called tree turned sexual when she saw this forbidden entity in Eden.


Genesis 3:6-And the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.


The word ‘pleasant’ in Hebrew is ‘ta’avah’ the prime word is ‘avah.’ It means, "to wish for: covet, greatly desire, long for, to lust after." (Strong’s #183)


Through the Hebrew translation of the word ‘pleasant,’ we begin to understand the lust that Eve felt when she saw this forbidden entity in Eden. Satan’s seduction of Eve was so complete that she began to formulate her own opinion as to what she saw contrary to what God had said. Eve, in her mind’s eye, saw Satan transfigured into an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:13-15) and said to herself that he was pleasant to her eyes, referring to his beauty, and someone to be desired to make her wise, referring to wisdom. In that one lustful description we see Satan as God described him in Ezekiel Chapter 28, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.


Ezekiel 28:12-Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Ty’-rus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.


The Hebrew word for ‘Ty’-rus’ is Tsowr and it means, "a rock." (Strong’s #6865)


The king of Ty’-rus is Satan before his fall from grace. The prince of Ty’-rus is Satan after his fall from grace (Ezekiel 28:1-17). King Ty’-rus, the historical figure, was a type used in this lamentation to describe Satan, the false rock who is chiseled with deception in the image of Christ. Even our enemies know this truth (1 Corinthians 10:4 & Deuteronomy 32:30-31).


http://menastreesministry.org/studies/ForbiddenFruit-3.htm

Parts 4, 5, and 6 in the links below:

http://menastreesministry.org/studies/ForbiddenFruit-4.htm

http://menastreesministry.org/studies/ForbiddenFruit-5.htm

http://menastreesministry.org/studies/ForbiddenFruit-6.htm

amethyst
26-10-2008, 11:25 PM
so does this mean that what you guys think is "Satan" could actually "Satan's"?

No, one Satan, who had an offspring child named Cain, who's descendants live today......quite possibly

lightgiver
26-10-2008, 11:58 PM
You may find this interesting;)

EnigmaTV - LadyDie:

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-3338812029985362017&ei=5gMFSf-YDYaQ2AKAx2g&q=Ladydie&hl=en

amethyst
27-10-2008, 12:02 AM
so does this mean that what you guys think is "Satan" could actually be "Satan's"?

As Icke says...you can sort of "connect the dots" with a lot of the conclusions. Like why do the elite of the elite drink blood? And eat human flesh? And sacrifice little children and others?

Genesis said that Cain was the first murderer. Well, "like father, like son" might be a fitting saying to apply here. Satan demands that his "children' murder, kill and destroy. Not really a big stretch.

mynameis
27-10-2008, 12:04 AM
As Icke says...you can sort of "connect the dots" with a lot of the conclusions. Like why do the elite of the elite drink blood? And eat human flesh? And sacrifice little children and others?

Genesis said that Cain was the first murderer. Well, "like father, like son" might be a fitting saying to apply here. Satan demands that his "children' murder, kill and destroy. Not really a big stretch.

Well all kinds animals do this, in many ways nature is perverse, but not the offspring of Satan.

zero1
27-10-2008, 12:05 AM
As Icke says...you can sort of "connect the dots" with a lot of the conclusions. Like why do the elite of the elite drink blood? And eat human flesh? And sacrifice little children and others? Genesis said that Cain was the first murderer. Well, "like father, like son" might be a fitting saying to apply here. Satan demands that his "children' murder, kill and destroy. Not really a big stretch.

You nailed it honey. Vampires. Cain was the first. His descendents are still around today - we may presume.

mynameis
27-10-2008, 12:06 AM
You nailed it honey. Vampires. Cain was the first. His descendents are still around today - we may presume.

Are you saying animals are the evil offspring of Satan too then?

kasalt
27-10-2008, 12:07 AM
See this thread for more:

Reptilians in the Bible (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37881)

zero1
27-10-2008, 12:08 AM
Another thing too - the "Angels", as the Catholic Bibles correctly point out, were originally gods. So the Daughters of Men lay with gods, you see - and the offspring of these copulations were superhumans ("heroes of old...") and possibly nonhuman species (giants). Worth remembering that whenever you envision an "angel", that winged image denotes a god of the Olde religions.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 12:11 AM
You may find this interesting;)

EnigmaTV - LadyDie:

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-3338812029985362017&ei=5gMFSf-YDYaQ2AKAx2g&q=Ladydie&hl=en

Thanks. I'll check it out. My personal feeling is a lot a masons don't really know the origins of their organizations and thus, are sort of in the dark as to why they do certain things.

Same thing with quite a few of the elites and their practices I believe. A lot are unwittingly made to do things against their will. I think It's only the elitists of the elite of the elite that have keep the bloodline completely pure, so to speak and those are the ones who don't really have a conscience. Maybe perhaps it's been bred out of them, who knows?

I think if you have a conscience, you have the potential to turn away from the evil practices.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 12:13 AM
Another thing too - the "Angels", as the Catholic Bibles correctly point out, were originally gods. So the Daughters of Men lay with gods, you see - and the offspring of these copulations were superhumans ("heroes of old...") and possibly nonhuman species (giants). Worth remembering that whenever you envision an "angel", that winged image denotes a god of the Olde religions.

Yes. There were good angels that stayed with God and then there were the angels that rebeled. The fallen angel ones were the bad ones and they became the "gods" that ancient humans worshiped. but This is different than Cain's lineage, according to this article.

ownedtbh
27-10-2008, 12:15 AM
i firmly believe what people call satan is an off world entity or reptilian

zero1
27-10-2008, 12:16 AM
I think It's only the elitists of the elite of the elite that have keep the bloodline completely pure, so to speak and those are the ones who don't really have a conscience. Maybe perhaps it's been bred out of them, who knows? I think if you have a conscience, you have the potential to turn away from the evil practices.

They probably don't see their practices as perversions, though. We would because we don't benefit from them, but these "elites of the elite", if they as as alleged, probably consider conscience a weakness they can't afford - it's power all the way, and there is nothing else.

mynameis
27-10-2008, 12:16 AM
Another thing too - the "Angels", as the Catholic Bibles correctly point out, were originally gods. So the Daughters of Men lay with gods, you see - and the offspring of these copulations were superhumans ("heroes of old...") and possibly nonhuman species (giants). Worth remembering that whenever you envision an "angel", that winged image denotes a god of the Olde religions.

Yes, but how does this interpret :

Satan demands that his "children' murder, kill and destroy. Not really a big stretch

in today's world? All kinds do this. This is too vague.

zero1
27-10-2008, 12:18 AM
Yes. There were good angels that stayed with God and then there were the angels that rebeled. The fallen angel ones were the bad ones and they became the "gods" that ancient humans worshiped. but This is different than Cain's lineage, according to this article.

Satan = angel/god, though right?

So maybe Satan, the fallen angel/god, was the one who impregnated Eve with Cain (and thus the seed thereof..)..? It might tie in that way.

checkmate
27-10-2008, 12:20 AM
I know how a lot of you feel about Michael Tsarian but this series covers everything you've talked about in this thread linking the dots in a believable way. It's worth viewing all 13 parts for the entire picture (although 11 doesn't seem to be available). Parts 5 though 9 especially.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 12:28 AM
Satan = angel/god, though right?

So maybe Satan, the fallen angel/god, was the one who impregnated Eve with Cain (and thus the see thereof..)..? It might tie in that way.

Well, if you read the article....all the parts, Satan was the father of Cain.

Satan was the head cherubim. The nephilim (angels) were under him. So when they came to earth to mate with the human women, they were just copying what their leader Satan was did, since satan mated with Eve in the garden of Eden. That's how Eve "sinned' She fell for Satan's seduction.

A whole lot greater "sin" than just eating a little 'ole apple that so many traditional "Bible teachers" have taught.:rolleyes:

Eve fell for Satan's charms and she "ate"....but not an apple. That's pretty much it. Satan was known as the most beautiful Cherub so he must have been very enticing.And he probably shape-shifted too.The article goes into the origins of what those hebrew words "to eat" etc. really meant.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 12:29 AM
I know how a lot of you feel about Michael Tsarian but this series covers everything you've talked about in this thread linking the dots in a believable way. It's worth viewing all 13 parts for the entire picture (although 11 doesn't seem to be available). Parts 5 though 9 especially.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3A0xSFBKho

Does he discuss Satan mating with Eve?

mynameis
27-10-2008, 12:29 AM
Satan = angel/god, though right?

So maybe Satan, the fallen angel/god, was the one who impregnated Eve with Cain (and thus the see thereof..)..? It might tie in that way.

Either way it suggests in this crippling world view that the majority of all people are demonic offspring without Yaweh and Christ in the dogmatic religious sense? Unless you are arguing that the seed of Adam is pure and all people are pure and don't need Yaweh, or Christ. The seed of Adam was pure and smote by Cain. Unless you then suggest an alternate son of Adam and Eve.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 12:34 AM
Either way it suggests in this crippling world view that the majority of all people are demonic offspring without Yaweh and Christ in the dogmatic religious sense? Unless you are arguing that the seed of Adam is pure and all people are pure and don't need Yaweh, or Christ.

Read the article. Eve also had another child right after she had Cain, and that was Able. But Able was killed by Cain. Cain then left the garden of eden, because of his bad deed. So after that, Adam and Eve then had a son named Seth.

Gets a little confusing. but that the chronology.

zero1
27-10-2008, 12:37 AM
Read the article.

Amethyst is getting impatient with us...:D

Eve also had another child right after she had Cain, and that was Able. But Able was killed by Cain. Cain then left the garden of eden, because of his bad deed. So after that, Adam and Eve then had a son named Seth. Gets a little confusing. but that the chronology

So we're all Sethian seeders?

mynameis
27-10-2008, 12:38 AM
Read the article. Eve also had another child right after she had Cain, and that was Able. But Able was killed by Cain. Cain then left the garden of eden, because of his bad deed. So after that, Adam and Eve then had a son named Seth.

Gets a little confusing. but that the chronology.

Some reading the bible think Seth = Egyptian Set I think. Confusing some and enabling others to rethink the bible as an Egyptian work. Without going too far off topic. I am not sure that the bible would think that actual giant sized human beings would be in the fossil record. We would have that evidence today. It begs the question, how many, where where they etc...

amethyst
27-10-2008, 12:40 AM
Amethyst is getting impatient with us...:D



So we're all Sethian seeders?

:D

The article explains it a lot better than I can ;)

amethyst
27-10-2008, 01:06 AM
See this thread for more:

Reptilians in the Bible (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37881)

Missed this before. Will check it out.

checkmate
27-10-2008, 01:14 AM
Does he discuss Satan mating with Eve?

He starts out with the illuminati then traces back the lineage, DNA manipulation, then goes to Adam and Eve and the Tree of Knowledge, he presents some passages from Genesis and the Book of Enoch where he presents an interesting theory of there being two different Adams. The second one being the story as we see it printed today, but expands on it to present his theory that the Nephalim created the second Adam with disconnected DNA and the mating with Eve to produce human slaves for the Gods. It goes in several different directions from there (all very intriguing) describing the last polar shift and Lemaria and Atlantis, the Van Allen Belt and how the Annauki were driven off their planet and hunted down to our galaxy and a planet (or second sun) beyond Mars was destroyed by these hunters who thought that is where they had taken up residence. The hunters destroyed the planet thereby creating the Van Allen belt and the other disasters.

As I said very long but extremely interesting. He gets into our creation and traces our evolution.

thirdwave
27-10-2008, 02:10 AM
As Icke says...you can sort of "connect the dots" with a lot of the conclusions. Like why do the elite of the elite drink blood? And eat human flesh? And sacrifice little children and others?

Genesis said that Cain was the first murderer. Well, "like father, like son" might be a fitting saying to apply here. Satan demands that his "children' murder, kill and destroy. Not really a big stretch.

Seeing as Satan used to be one of the good guys.... why are his kids automaticly seen as evil by you?

is that not risking attacking an innocent?

so what you are saying is you think that the reptilians are the off spring of Satan?

who was Satans father and mother?

mynameis
27-10-2008, 02:17 AM
Just so everyone has a clue of what's going on when.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_(symbolism)

I think that Giants are symbolized as earth or cthnoic deities. These could have been representative of older gods like Gaia and Dyeus Pater/Chronus/Uranus?

See here:

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Mythology/Images/ZeusGiants.jpg

This myth is not unlike Marduk, Tiamat, and Kingu.
http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Fi-Go/Giants.html

Marduk & Tiamat
http://www.stenudd.com/myth/freudjung/images/marduktiamat.jpg

A Babylonian Cylinder seal showing a battle with Tiamat
http://frontpage.montclair.edu/alvaresj/JAMYTH/tiamat.GIF
http://frontpage.montclair.edu/alvaresj/JAMYTH/Enumaelish.html


More importantly how does the above tie into this:

Fuxi & Nuwa
http://www.chinaculture.org/img/2003-09/24/kg090_01.jpg

Other myths think that perhaps this is the ancient thought that ties the sea serpent-monster to the concept of land dwelling human beings as ancestor worship.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 02:30 AM
He starts out with the illuminati then traces back the lineage, DNA manipulation, then goes to Adam and Eve and the Tree of Knowledge, he presents some passages from Genesis and the Book of Enoch where he presents an interesting theory of there being two different Adams. The second one being the story as we see it printed today, but expands on it to present his theory that the Nephalim created the second Adam with disconnected DNA and the mating with Eve to produce human slaves for the Gods. It goes in several different directions from there (all very intriguing) describing the last polar shift and Lemaria and Atlantis, the Van Allen Belt and how the Annauki were driven off their planet and hunted down to our galaxy and a planet (or second sun) beyond Mars was destroyed by these hunters who thought that is where they had taken up residence. The hunters destroyed the planet thereby creating the Van Allen belt and the other disasters.

As I said very long but extremely interesting. He gets into our creation and traces our evolution.

Hmmm....interesting.....I don't know if I agree with this two Adam theory but I lean more towards the biblical account, but that the true meaning of the biblical story has been suppressed, like everything that is truth has been suppressed by the elite...down thru the centuries by tptb, all throughout the ages.

I am thinking, as they hide everything out in the open, that the biblical account, which is backed up by the book of Enoch and other manuscripts, is accurate. Just that, certain key parts are left out and then are said to mean something than they actually really mean.

For example, the whole explanation for who the serpent is and what he actually did in the garden has never been sufficiently explained. Yet we are told to just buy hook, line and sinker, the account that eating an apple was the terrible sin.

The author of the article that I posted goes into the explanation of the original hebrew words.

For example he explains about the word "naga':

"Genesis 3:2-3-And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

The Hebrew word for ‘touch’ is ‘naga’ a prime root that means, "to lay the hand upon for any purpose, euphemism; to lie with a woman." (Strong’s #5060)
The word ‘euphemism’ defined by Webster’s Dictionary means, "the substitution of an agreeable or inoffensive expression for one that may offend or suggest something unpleasant."
Through the Hebrew translation of the word "touch," it is obvious that the King James translators were very kind to the Christian readers who like apple stories.


In their translation of the King James Bible from the Hebrew manuscript they inserted a ‘euphemism’ to express the less offensive word, "touch," instead of the "logos" that God spoke in the manuscript, "naga," meaning, to lie with a woman. In spite of this truth, 99.9% of all churches still teach the watered-down euphemism of the parable and thus covers up the truth just like Adam and Eve did with the fig leaf. "


So either the King James translators were inserting the word "euphemism" into the text so the scriptures would be less offensive OR they had a hidden agenda to hide the truth in plain sight from the readers of the scriptures, so they could maintain their illusion of power and hide the truth from the masses.

By personally tweaking the scriptures here and there, and inserting some of their own words, they could successfully keep their lies going.

In fact, I believe that the elite have actually hidden real "Christ"-ianity" from the masses, by not encouraging the masses to have a relationship with a living entity, the infinite God/man. They would rather have a "form" of religion thrust on humanity, instead of encouraging humanity to connect with the Creator, which is really what the Christ "story' is all about.

And "their version" is all about an "evil" God who slaps you on the wrist for every little "sin", which is the opposite of having a true and living relationship with the true and and living infinite God.

I believe this is the greatest conspiracy.

But the reptilian "elite" have done this all in plain site because they have always wanted to keep truth and freedom and knowledge from the masses.

If someone takes the time to actually study the original means of the original words and phrases, they would find out that a good portion of what they have been taught is actually false. But if you are willing to dig, one can find the truth in the scriptures.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 02:32 AM
Seeing as Satan used to be one of the good guys.... why are his kids automaticly seen as evil by you?

is that not risking attacking an innocent?

so what you are saying is you think that the reptilians are the off spring of Satan?

who was Satans father and mother?

TW, read the article and then ask questions.

checkmate
27-10-2008, 02:35 AM
For example, the whole explanation for who the serpent is and what he actually did in the garden has never been sufficiently explained. Yet we are told to just buy hook, line and sinker, the account that eating an apple was the terrible sin.

Did you view the videos? He does give a lengthy explanation of this in his theory.

So either the King James translators were inserting the word "euphemism" into the text so the scriptures would be less offensive OR they had a hidden agenda to hide the truth in plain sight from the readers of the scriptures, so they could maintain their illusion of power and hide the truth from the masses.

By personally tweaking the scriptures here and there, and inserting some of their own words, they could successfully keep their lies going.

In fact, I believe that the elite have actually hidden real "Christ"-ianity" from the masses, by not encouraging the masses to have a relationship with a living entity, the infinite God/man. They would rather have a "form" of religion thrust on humanity, instead of encouraging humanity to connect with the Creator, which is really what the Christ "story' is all about.

And "their version" is all about an "evil" God who slaps you on the wrist for every little "sin", which is the opposite of having a true and living relationship with the true and and living infinite God.

I believe this is the greatest conspiracy.

But the reptilian "elite" have done this all in plain site because they have always wanted to keep truth and freedom and knowledge from the masses.

If someone takes the time to actually study the original means of the original words and phrases, they would find out that a good portion of what they have been taught is actually false. But if you are willing to dig, one can find the truth in the scriptures.

I too think the bible has been bastardized by the elite. Like all control mechanisms, there is some truth, just enough to draw you in. It's all the missing information I wonder about, which I believe holds the real truth.

kasalt
27-10-2008, 02:40 AM
The author of the article that I posted goes into the explanation of the original hebrew words.

For example he explains about the word "naga':

"Genesis 3:2-3-And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

The Hebrew word for ‘touch’ is ‘naga’ a prime root that means, "to lay the hand upon for any purpose, euphemism; to lie with a woman." (Strong’s #5060)
The word ‘euphemism’ defined by Webster’s Dictionary means, "the substitution of an agreeable or inoffensive expression for one that may offend or suggest something unpleasant."

Another interesting angle on this is that the word "nāga" in Sanskrit means snake or dragon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga)

thirdwave
27-10-2008, 02:43 AM
Does he discuss Satan mating with Eve?

yeah apparently they got a pent house room together and run up a huge bill, lapping it up for days on end while having rampant sex! :)
Tsarion goes into depth with this fact...

amethyst
27-10-2008, 02:44 AM
Did you view the videos? He does give a lengthy explanation of this in his theory.



I too think the bible has been bastardized by the elite. Like all control mechanisms, there is some truth, just enough to draw you in. It's all the missing information I wonder about, which I believe holds the real truth.

I'm still viewing another video.

thirdwave
27-10-2008, 02:45 AM
TW, read the article and then ask questions.

I have read it and it does not answer my question.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 02:47 AM
"Nāga" is the Sanskrit word for snake or dragon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga

Makes me think of the novel Rikki-Tikki-Tavi where the two snake characters are Nag and Nagaina.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 02:50 AM
I have read it and it does not answer my question.

You asked:

so what you are saying is you think that the reptilians are the off spring of Satan?

Yes. The article is stating that they could be. More than likely the most hidden elite lines.

mynameis
27-10-2008, 03:00 AM
Something else that is odd in this is that God being the vengeful being, didn't destroy Adam and Eve and start over....

amethyst
27-10-2008, 03:21 AM
Something else that is odd in this is that God being the vengeful being, didn't destroy Adam and Eve and start over....

Probably because Adam and Eve were made in His likeness and image, and because He is a lot more forgiving than we realise. But the elite wouldn't want you to know that though.

mynameis
27-10-2008, 03:35 AM
Probably because Adam and Eve were made in His likeness and image, and because He is a lot more forgiving than we realise. But the elite wouldn't want you to know that though.

I had similar thoughts along those lines. Certain parts of the Bible are changed is an inevitable certainty by omissions and the Council of Nicea. I think its unfair myself. Taking what we know about it from the original KJV we have now doesn't mean we have the original language and context. The author of the webpage goes back and forth between Greek and Hebrew dictionaries which doesn't precisely mirror the Hebrew context, if it could at all.

kasalt
27-10-2008, 03:57 AM
Probably because Adam and Eve were made in His likeness and image, and because He is a lot more forgiving than we realise.

But doesn't the Bible say that we are all made in God's likeness and image? And that didn't stop him and his chosen people from slaughtering people at whim throughout the rest of the Old Testament.

Indeed, it didn't stop God from slaughtering his own chosen people throughout the rest of the Old Testament.

mynameis
27-10-2008, 04:02 AM
But doesn't the Bible say that we are all made in God's likeness and image? And that didn't stop him and his chosen people from slaughtering people at whim throughout the rest of the Old Testament.

Indeed, it didn't stop God from slaughtering his own chosen people throughout the rest of the Old Testament.

Minor interpretive issues of zealotry in the bible, all true, but this isn't about a literal sense of the happenings, if at all.

kasalt
27-10-2008, 04:03 AM
Minor interpretive issues of zealotry in the bible, all true, but this isn't about a literal sense of the happenings, if at all.

Israel is literal. Zionism is literal. Both are happening now, as you well know.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 04:06 AM
But doesn't the Bible say that we are all made in God's likeness and image? And that didn't stop him and his chosen people from slaughtering people at whim throughout the rest of the Old Testament.

Indeed, it didn't stop God from slaughtering his own chosen people throughout the rest of the Old Testament.

Can't speak for God why that was, but there were certain groups of strange races of beings: aka, the descendants of the nephilim, the Hittites, the Amalakites a bunch of other "ites" (described in various books of the Old Testament and the book of Enoch) that God did say to get rid of....so called GIANT races of men who probably would wipe out the children of Israel, had they not killed them first.

But I wasn't there, so can't tell first hand as to the "why" exactly.

mynameis
27-10-2008, 04:10 AM
Israel is literal. Zionism is literal. Both are happening now, as you well know.

This subject is not about Israel, Zionist thought processes, your thought processes on those things, or what is literal in your sense or their sense, as I well know.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 04:10 AM
Israel is literal. Zionism is literal. Both are happening now, as you well know.

But Israelites are not necessarily equated with Zionists, and vice versa.

kasalt
27-10-2008, 04:13 AM
But Israelites are not necessarily equated with Zionists, and vice versa.

Not necessarily, but fairly often.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 04:16 AM
Not necessarily, but fairly often.

Yep.


And, one could be an Israelite, and not even know it.

But I think we are diverging from the topic.

kasalt
27-10-2008, 04:16 AM
This subject is not about Israel, Zionist thought processes, your thought processes on those things, or what is literal in your sense or their sense, as I well know.

Quite right. I digress. (But you started it with post #40.)

mynameis
27-10-2008, 04:18 AM
Kashyapa - Linked to nagas as through some goddes Kadru
Kashyap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kadru
Kadru - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Daksha - Goat headed...is their sire or grampa.
Daksha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

thirdwave
27-10-2008, 10:01 AM
You asked:


Yes. The article is stating that they could be. More than likely the most hidden elite lines.

Ok... so who was Satan an off spring of?

was he not meant to be Gods pal at one stage ??

infact minus the christian story, he is Gods pal...

So how did God end up with Reptilian mates?.... and where did he get them from?

my point being is that if I was to share your veiws on this (which I dont) then I would not feel that an off spring of Satan is nessesry evil just because of who its father was...


what I think is, yes there are reptilian races, But I don't think they are evil as such, in fact I think that outlook is not very healthy..

you cant judge a person or a being by its race..... is a crocodile evil? ...a snake??, no, maybe not mans best friend, but not "evil"..

There are certainty some bad people who have this blood line fucking with earth and humans... But its not an off spring off Satan, as Satan like everything else in the bible is not littoral...He is not real, its a book of symboligy .... and that's including the story of Adam and Eve.... there was no talking snake who made them eat an apple that changed humanity.... it is story that is expressing an important decision that was made and was not the right one... probably where Humans may have agreed to allow the Annunaki (or who ever they were) to rule the earth in return of some knowledge and technology they gave back in return....

Eden is also a world that means "inclosed" ... so the garden of eden literally meant "enclosed garden".. Eden was not a place.

Satan .. which I don't even think is a name.... its more a word... was just an icon used to represent the bad guys .... ..its not a big scary man who is the ruler of evil and giving birth to lots of mini Satans.... and there might even be references in the bible to what these bad reptiles done to humans or made them do and how man was fucked with... but again it is very sieved out and not really cut and dry.

It is also probably worth noting that there are more than likely many reptiles out there who are perfectly ok and have not set out to fuck with humanity.

if you want to call them Good mini Satans then fine.

in fact many Shamans out there have interacted with reptile beings through drug induced rituals and have gain heeling and farming advice from them.

bigus_dickus
27-10-2008, 02:09 PM
As Icke says...you can sort of "connect the dots" with a lot of the conclusions. Like why do the elite of the elite drink blood? And eat human flesh? And sacrifice little children and others?

Genesis said that Cain was the first murderer. Well, "like father, like son" might be a fitting saying to apply here. Satan demands that his "children' murder, kill and destroy. Not really a big stretch.

these have always been humanity's biggest fears.

this is why we have always been equating the "opponent" (satan) with the beast. anyone whom we see as evil (in doing "evil deeds"), we jump to call them animals or beasts. for humans, being called an animal is derogatory, not because humans think of themselves of being superior, but because animals lack logical thinking, which we humans believe is out most important trait.

in ancient times, when humans were living amongst wild animals, one of their biggest enemy was the predators. humans would very often be victims of predators (wild animals, not demons), who would of course kill them and eat them to feed themselves, or drink their blood, or the most weak of them, their children. observing nature, we can see that some predators (hawks, eagles, or small snakes) can't go for the big animal, but choose the young ones that they can handle easily because of their size.

thus, it became a primordial fear that has been implanted into our genes. the fear of a horrible death being devoured by a wild beast. remember, a wild beast doesn't use human logical thinking, so it won't have any remorse, hesitation and it will never listen to humans' cries. the more the fear the human 'victim' shows and expresses, the more confident the animal is to do what its natural hunger makes it do. in a way, it lives off the victim's fear, regardless if it is a human or another animal. fear also gives away someone's weakness, thus making him an easy target for a capable predator.

now, some people are saying that the rich 'elite' human people do such activities of killing and eating other humans, drinking blood, eating infants. does this mean that there are really humans doing this sort of things, that are the most rich and powerful people of our world?

let's see.. who else has been allegedly doing the same? here are some examples:
- the wild animals: when humans were not living all packed in cities
- "bad" humans: the baddest of the humans (think of all your serial killers and "evil" people that you know), they all allegedly or really did all, or some of those
- satanists, wizards and witches: christians have been accusing "black magicians" for such atrocities
- pagans: even Icke talks about it. we also have historical records of ceremonies that involved the sacrifice and consumption of human flesh and blood and sacrifices of virgins etc.
- christians: pagans used to accuse christians for such atrocities, by taking literally the consumption of the flesh and blood of christ and the "brotherly kiss", as an act of incest
- aliens: many legends and stories about extra terrestrials, talk about malevolent beings with no (human) emotions and (human) logic, who only want to consume humans in every aspect. also sexually molest them and their children
- satan and demons: we all know, as we have been told, that all Satan and his demons do is take any (beast like) form they want and eat our flesh, drink our blood, molest our kids etc., etc
- the reptilians: no comment: see David Icke and others
- the 'elite', 'illuminati', 'freemasons': of course the current humanity's enemies would not do anything different than "all the above"

so, what i am hoping to show here, is that we always choose who our enemies are, at any given time, and apply to them the same old ancient archetype of "evil".

doing so, of course, is also assuming that we (whoever we think that "we" may be), are innocent, good, moral, human (stereotypes) and in general, a species that should be favored by any God that may exist, or every force of nature that acts.

it is also an act of denying our animal nature, our connection with the rest of life forms, the world and in effect the whole universe and of aspiring to a different version of reality where everything in synergy works for our personal benefit. everyone has a paradise in their minds, where he is the king and everyone else (animals, plants, planets, Gods and other humans) are his servants. a paradise, is where everyone will love you without reason and everyone will act the way you want them to, everyone will be working for your wishes and desires and everyone will thank you for existing and being you. a place that does not exist... unless you don't have a mind to think about it this way or even imagine it.

quetzalcoatl
27-10-2008, 02:43 PM
This may be of interest. Bit of an oldie yet very relevant.

Interviews author of 'Return of the Star Gods' - Richard Vizzutti.

Reptilians Among Us :
http://www.4shared.com/file/68592877/8c98ac00/Reptilians_Among_Us.html
15mb - 1 hour audio.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 05:36 PM
Ok... so who was Satan an off spring of?

was he not meant to be Gods pal at one stage ??

infact minus the christian story, he is Gods pal...

So how did God end up with Reptilian mates?.... and where did he get them from?

my point being is that if I was to share your veiws on this (which I dont) then I would not feel that an off spring of Satan is nessesry evil just because of who its father was...


what I think is, yes there are reptilian races, But I don't think they are evil as such, in fact I think that outlook is not very healthy..

you cant judge a person or a being by its race..... is a crocodile evil? ...a snake??, no, maybe not mans best friend, but not "evil"..

There are certainty some bad people who have this blood line fucking with earth and humans... But its not an off spring off Satan, as Satan like everything else in the bible is not littoral...He is not real, its a book of symboligy .... and that's including the story of Adam and Eve.... there was no talking snake who made them eat an apple that changed humanity.... it is story that is expressing an important decision that was made and was not the right one... probably where Humans may have agreed to allow the Annunaki (or who ever they were) to rule the earth in return of some knowledge and technology they gave back in return....

Eden is also a world that means "inclosed" ... so the garden of eden literally meant "enclosed garden".. Eden was not a place.

Satan .. which I don't even think is a name.... its more a word... was just an icon used to represent the bad guys .... ..its not a big scary man who is the ruler of evil and giving birth to lots of mini Satans.... and there might even be references in the bible to what these bad reptiles done to humans or made them do and how man was fucked with... but again it is very sieved out and not really cut and dry.

It is also probably worth noting that there are more than likely many reptiles out there who are perfectly ok and have not set out to fuck with humanity.

if you want to call them Good mini Satans then fine.

in fact many Shamans out there have interacted with reptile beings through drug induced rituals and have gain heeling and farming advice from them.

To even answer some of your silly arguments, since you are so dead set against admitting that there just might be in fact, an individual known as "Satan" and there just might be the fact that there is a "God' and another individual known as Christ Jesus is just too much for you to wrap your head around, so it's not not worth discussing this with you. Because it doesn't fit into your "box" of your own making.

But hey, that's ok. You can come out anytime you wish when you think it's safe.

But if anyone does decide to step out of their preconceived boxes and decides to recognize that there is in fact an origin of evil in this world and it does in fact originate with an evil being named Satan, then they are open to more truth and more learning....because the truth will indeed set people free.

But just plain old logically speaking, the average person does not decide to drink someone's blood and decide to sacrifice little children and decide to do all sorts of diabolical stuff that Icke has written about HIMSELF in His numerous books, going so far as to call them SATANISTS......

Gee, I wonder WHY they are called SATANIST? Gee, I wonder why they do the evil things that they do? Gee, I wonder why?

Anyone, can see it if they look at the obvious. There is a satanically inspired group of individuals who are inspired to do certain evil things FOR A REASON.

Satan was not always evil.....so when God created him (yes, he is a created being) he was benign.

But at some point, he turned evil in his heart and rebelled. He freewill chose to do evil. Why? Why do something stupid and think you could go against God? Who knows? I'm not God. But one of his prime motivations was to pollute the human beings line with his own seed. Human beings, made in the image and likeness of a loving being we know more commonly as God.

And if you read the article unbiasedly, you would see that it just makes sense.

And it just ties into what Jesus said when he called certain rulers of the time when he actually walked on the earth, -He called then " Serpents" and "brood of vipers' He specifically said to them "You are of your father the devil"

John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it."

Matthew 23:33 "Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

Gee, just why would Jesus use that terminology and call them that? I mean He could have called the leading rulers, elite of that time, "big ole meanies' or something like that.

But He didn't. he called them serpents and vipers.

And, according to the article, Satan was a reptilian serpent-like being who had it out for Eve and was determined to interject his seed into the human bloodline so that his own kid could sit on a throne and be worshiped......aka: the antichrist. Hello? He just wants to copy God the Creator.

Except, he wanted worship for himself, and because he got kicked out of heaven for being rebellious, he was going to try and do it again on planet earth, which was God, the infinite one's creation to begin with.


BTW, Icke also calls these blood-drinking elite "satanists". he could have called them big ole blood drinking meanies, but hey, if the shoe fits, wear it! They ARE what they ARE.

chattanova
27-10-2008, 05:38 PM
In 'Rosemary's Baby' Satan is clearly a Reptilian.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 05:39 PM
In 'Rosemary's Baby' Satan is clearly a Reptilian.

I never saw the end of that movie. That's interesting.

chattanova
27-10-2008, 05:44 PM
I never saw the end of that movie. That's interesting.

It's when she's being raped (in dreams it seems so, but it's how she really got pregnant) It's dark and blurry so not so easy to notice. But after I read it in one of David's books I re-checked it and yes, it's a Reptoid :eek:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21934&highlight=rosemary+baby

zero1
27-10-2008, 06:01 PM
http://www.heavendwellers.com/images/satan.1.jpg

amethyst
27-10-2008, 06:01 PM
It's when she's being raped (in dreams it seems so, but it's how she really got pregnant) It's dark and blurry so not so easy to notice. But after I read it in one of David's books I re-checked it and yes, it's a Reptoid :eek:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21934&highlight=rosemary+baby

Just looked at your link........so, they may be making another Rosemary's baby movie.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21924

Maybe it's about that "baby' all grown up........would fit in nicely with that theme. Shape-shifting little lizard baby....how endearing :rolleyes:

Little lizard baby has a brother or sister........"Mommy, mommy, brother Damien just tried to eat me!"

"Now, now Susie. Just go give him that raw steak and sausages. That should hold him over for the time being till we get some fresh meat"

thirdwave
27-10-2008, 06:48 PM
To even answer some of your silly arguments, since you are so dead set against admitting that there just might be in fact, an individual known as "Satan" Im not open to it as I have done enough research and have enough understanding to know that there is not an idavidual known as Satan... the first port of call would be that Satan means "to over come"

and there just might be the fact that there is a "God'

not a case of if there is a god.... its a case of how i would perceive god... god is everything and creates everything... he creates evil, good.... light dark.... good smells, bad smells... good people bad people... and so on...

I don't believe there is A GOD and I can talk for hours and hours about why not.... I believe there is god and that can be summed up quite easily.


and another individual known as Christ Jesus is just too much for you to wrap your head around, so it's not not worth discussing this with you. The reason you feel its not worth descussing is because you fail to have the answers for my very vald questions... and of course this is the case because you are trying to make a myth and much symboligy to make sense in a littoral context.... "christ" means "anointed one" ... and Jesus is a name that could have been used by many back then.... I have never said I don't believe that a good man was around back then teaching people abouty spirituality and how to be more evolved.... this does not mean he is what the bible says.... and it certainly does not mean he was the one and only.

that being said despite him having meant to be a very famous person of the time, there is not and never has been any official records of his existence and certainly none of the bibles story.

Because it doesn't fit into your "box" of your own making.
lol... well in away you are right... but its more a case of me not being in a box.... so there for the story becomes very transparent and you can see it for what it is despite its efforts... if I was in a box then it would all be very convincing.

If I was in a box I would believe that its all about 1 man.... 1 faith.... 1 philosophy... and I would base all my judgements on it.

but I dont, I base them on lots of judgements... have faith in many things ... I do believe that everything is possible and always keep an open mind, but I do kind have a rule of thumb where when something encourages me not to be as so... and to just channel it all into one thing... by bullshitomeater goes off.


But hey, that's ok. You can come out anytime you wish when you think it's safe.

LOL mean come in! ... and although you are probably nice in there, I am to used to my mind being in a more free state... even if at times it runs into trouble at least its me doing the driving.....

But if anyone does decide to step out of their preconceived boxes and decides to recognize that there is in fact an origin of evil in this world and it does in fact originate with an evil being named Satan,

Oh there is Evil.... but it is in US.... and it is in who ever created us also... and it is something we need to learn about and over come... not blame on some fairly tail bogi man that originated from a symbolic term that has been distorted and twisted by all the latest download up dates of religion..


then they are open to more truth and more learning....because the truth will indeed set people free.

But you have ignored to much truth.... its a shame as you are right when you say the truth does set you free... but sadly many people don't like the truth.... and hide from it.


But just plain old logically speaking, the average person does not decide to drink someone's blood and decide to sacrifice little children and decide to do all sorts of diabolical stuff that Icke has written about HIMSELF in His numerous books, going so far as to call them SATANISTS......

I believe Ickes view on calling them Satanists is purely a tag.... he has not gone into research on Satan as a person... but has gone into the annunaki... and also about how a Reptilian race control from a dimension just outside of ours.... his reference to "Satanism" is simply a tag he uses (as do many others) for negative occult rituals.... which really comes down to a lack of proper research into the occult as not all Satanists are evil, and also not all evil occultists are Satanists... but many people are guilty for simply using that tag.

now you are talking about how some people can do some despicable things...

its very simple why these things happen... because the human brain is like a computer and it can be programmed through life... when a child is born its first instinct is to hold its mother and feed on her breast.... from that point onwards it grows and its needs and emotions expand... and more is needed to feed that need for love and security....as we grown we download data into our brains ... new habbits of getting that love... and new desires form due to needing it...or not being able to get it... the the CIA use this to mind control people.... you take away the things that feed you that prime instinct and replace it with new ones....

fear is also used to mind control people... its how the human brain works and its how we are individual... its how some girls like to be with a loud out going guy... and other girls like a guy to be mellow and quite...

because as we get older we have different needs to make us feel like we are at mummys breast again... and some people have to go a long way around do to how they have been programmed.

so its not about Satan waving his fork at us.... its about making sure people don't have such a hard time getting to mummys breast...bottom line.

and don't forget how mind control can be used to make people do things that they are barely aware of... because again the human brain can be fucked with... by HUMANS...



Gee, I wonder WHY they are called SATANIST? Gee, I wonder why they do the evil things that they do? Gee, I wonder why? Not all Satanists do evil things.... FACT.
why are they called Satanists... because most people are ignorent to what the occult is all about and brand people as satanists from things that are not even satan related.

also the christian church did wonders in branding many things as Satanists....
many people into occult practices where killed and called satan.... and so on, so I guess the tag has stuck.

for example Crowley was not a Satanist.... and not getting into a row about him... but even if he was evil... he was still not a Satanist... none of his works was about Satan and the movement he left behind him also does not have anything to do with Satan.... again regardless of if it is meant to be good or evil.... in fact up until the "church of satan" was written in 1969 by Anton LaVey. there was not even a set philosophy to go by where you could call your self a Satanist... other than doing bad things with occult rituals..

Anyone, can see it if they look at the obvious. There is a satanically inspired group of individuals who are inspired to do certain evil things FOR A REASON.

No, rubbish.... there is an EVIL group of people, there is no proof that they worship a being called Satan...

We can look at all the symboligy and we can look at much of ickes research where he exposes the reptilian thing which he traces back to the annunaki RACE and states how the bible in its correct translation talks of the "GODS" ...not God.

We can also see the elite worship the sun.... Lucifer.... which I would agree they are from a Luciferian mind set.... which is not evil in its self... and Lucifer is not Satan!.. DO YOUR RESEARCH!





Satan was not always evil.....so when God created him (yes, he is a created being) he was benign.

But at some point, he turned evil in his heart and rebelled.

does that not prove that he did not create evil?... that he was victim to it him self?... there for even if he stayed good as you would see it... then one of us could still "turn bad"?

He freewill chose to do evil. Why? Why do something stupid and think you could go against God?

Because he was bored shitless of your God? .. note how you never really found out what evil he did other than piss God off by not doing as he wanted....


Who knows? I'm not God. Well you sound like you play bingo next time him every sunday evening!

But one of his prime motivations was to pollute the human beings line with his own seed. Human beings, made in the image and likeness of a loving being we know more commonly as God.
well what you need to find out is what possessed Satan to turn evil... because even if we get rid of satan... then someone else might get the same bug satan got... its not as if he was not high up on gods books either!... so im sure us guys are not safer.

And if you read the article unbiasedly, you would see that it just makes sense.
It would make a great movie!... its just very poor research to take it for real.... I would bet it is dont by a Christian or someone who has not really researched much with it all.... get your self a Tsarion book and read.... you might be able to pick at a few of his outlooks but you will certainly learn something.



And it just ties into what Jesus said when he called certain rulers of the time when he actually walked on the earth, -He called then " Serpents" and "brood of vipers' He specifically said to them "You are of your father the devil"
and the people long long before Jesus... the Mayans... the hoppie indians ... and more... so on... but nothing to do with Satan a man who used to be gods worker....in fact the hoppie called them their snake brothers...

why does the bibles picture count more than going straight to previous sources?



Gee, just why would Jesus use that terminology and call them that? I mean He could have called the leading rulers, elite of that time, "big ole meanies' or something like that.

Yes who ever wrote that is talking about something... but does not mean he is talking about a guy called Satan and if it was the case then there was plenty of space in the bible just to put a couple sentences explaining to us a bit more about man kinds magor enemy..

the Jesus texts are probably from about 20 different people...


But He didn't. he called them serpents and vipers.... yes, do some research on the semerians..


And, according to the article, Satan was a reptilian serpent-like being who had it out for Eve and was determined to interject his seed into the human bloodline so that his own kid could sit on a throne and be worshiped......aka: the antichrist. Hello? He just wants to copy God the Creator.

ahhh ok :)


[SIZE="2"][COLOR="DarkOrchid"]BTW, Icke also calls these blood-drinking elite "satanists". he could have called them big ole blood drinking meanies, but hey, if the shoe fits, wear it! They ARE what they ARE.[/QUOTE]

Yes you have said... but it does not really mean anything as his research has not been about satan... but about the Annunaki.... and I believe he has implied him self "Satanists" is a term people seem to use today... he said something like that in one of his vid casts.... TBH general occult stuff is not something icke goes into deeply.... he just works to expose the ones running the world .... he has mad it no secret he feels Christianity and religion as a hole is part of the problem ...not the solution..

David Icke has never gone into who Satan is... but he has gone into how much the bible has been mistranslated and how the story of Jesus is pile of poo. and I appreciate that.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 07:00 PM
Im not open to it as I have done enough research and have enough understanding to know that there is not an idavidual known as Satan... the first port of call would be that Satan means "to over come"



not a case of if there is a god.... its a case of how i would perceive god... god is everything and creates everything... he creates evil, good.... light dark.... good smells, bad smells... good people bad people... and so on...

I don't believe there is A GOD and I can talk for hours and hours about why not.... I believe there is god and that can be summed up quite easily.

The reason you feel its not worth descussing is because you fail to have the answers for my very vald questions... and of course this is the case because you are trying to make a myth and much symboligy to make sense in a littoral context.... "christ" means "anointed one" ... and Jesus is a name that could have been used by many back then.... I have never said I don't believe that a good man was around back then teaching people abouty spirituality and how to be more evolved.... this does not mean he is what the bible says.... and it certainly does not mean he was the one and only.

that being said despite him having meant to be a very famous person of the time, there is not and never has been any official records of his existence and certainly none of the bibles story.


lol... well in away you are right... but its more a case of me not being in a box.... so there for the story becomes very transparent and you can see it for what it is despite its efforts... if I was in a box then it would all be very convincing.

If I was in a box I would believe that its all about 1 man.... 1 faith.... 1 philosophy... and I would base all my judgements on it.

but I dont, I base them on lots of judgements... have faith in many things ... I do believe that everything is possible and always keep an open mind, but I do kind have a rule of thumb where when something encourages me not to be as so... and to just channel it all into one thing... by bullshitomeater goes off.




LOL mean come in! ... and although you are probably nice in there, I am to used to my mind being in a more free state... even if at times it runs into trouble at least its me doing the driving.....



Oh there is Evil.... but it is in US.... and it is in who ever created us also... and it is something we need to learn about and over come... not blame on some fairly tail bogi man that originated from a symbolic term that has been distorted and twisted by all the latest download up dates of religion..



But you have ignored to much truth.... its a shame as you are right when you say the truth does set you free... but sadly many people don't like the truth.... and hide from it.



I believe Ickes view on calling them Satanists is purely a tag.... he has not gone into research on Satan as a person... but has gone into the annunaki... and also about how a Reptilian race control from a dimension just outside of ours.... his reference to "Satanism" is simply a tag he uses (as do many others) for negative occult rituals.... which really comes down to a lack of proper research into the occult as not all Satanists are evil, and also not all evil occultists are Satanists... but many people are guilty for simply using that tag.

now you are talking about how some people can do some despicable things...

its very simple why these things happen... because the human brain is like a computer and it can be programmed through life... when a child is born its first instinct is to hold its mother and feed on her breast.... from that point onwards it grows and its needs and emotions expand... and more is needed to feed that need for love and security....as we grown we download data into our brains ... new habbits of getting that love... and new desires form due to needing it...or not being able to get it... the the CIA use this to mind control people.... you take away the things that feed you that prime instinct and replace it with new ones....

fear is also used to mind control people... its how the human brain works and its how we are individual... its how some girls like to be with a loud out going guy... and other girls like a guy to be mellow and quite...

because as we get older we have different needs to make us feel like we are at mummys breast again... and some people have to go a long way around do to how they have been programmed.

so its not about Satan waving his fork at us.... its about making sure people don't have such a hard time getting to mummys breast...bottom line.

and don't forget how mind control can be used to make people do things that they are barely aware of... because again the human brain can be fucked with... by HUMANS...


Not all Satanists do evil things.... FACT.
why are they called Satanists... because most people are ignorent to what the occult is all about and brand people as satanists from things that are not even satan related.

also the christian church did wonders in branding many things as Satanists....
many people into occult practices where killed and called satan.... and so on, so I guess the tag has stuck.

for example Crowley was not a Satanist.... and not getting into a row about him... but even if he was evil... he was still not a Satanist... none of his works was about Satan and the movement he left behind him also does not have anything to do with Satan.... again regardless of if it is meant to be good or evil.... in fact up until the "church of satan" was written in 1969 by Anton LaVey. there was not even a set philosophy to go by where you could call your self a Satanist... other than doing bad things with occult rituals..



No, rubbish.... there is an EVIL group of people, there is no proof that they worship a being called Satan...

We can look at all the symboligy and we can look at much of ickes research where he exposes the reptilian thing which he traces back to the annunaki RACE and states how the bible in its correct translation talks of the "GODS" ...not God.

We can also see the elite worship the sun.... Lucifer.... which I would agree they are from a Luciferian mind set.... which is not evil in its self... and Lucifer is not Satan!.. DO YOUR RESEARCH!






does that not prove that he did not create evil?... that he was victim to it him self?... there for even if he stayed good as you would see it... then one of us could still "turn bad"?



Because he was bored shitless of your God? .. note how you never really found out what evil he did other than piss God off by not doing as he wanted....

Well you sound like you play bingo next time him every sunday evening!


well what you need to find out is what possessed Satan to turn evil... because even if we get rid of satan... then someone else might get the same bug satan got... its not as if he was not high up on gods books either!... so im sure us guys are not safer.


It would make a great movie!... its just very poor research to take it for real.... I would bet it is dont by a Christian or someone who has not really researched much with it all.... get your self a Tsarion book and read.... you might be able to pick at a few of his outlooks but you will certainly learn something.



and the people long long before Jesus... the Mayans... the hoppie indians ... and more... so on... but nothing to do with Satan a man who used to be gods worker....in fact the hoppie called them their snake brothers...

why does the bibles picture count more than going straight to previous sources?




Yes who ever wrote that is talking about something... but does not mean he is talking about a guy called Satan and if it was the case then there was plenty of space in the bible just to put a couple sentences explaining to us a bit more about man kinds magor enemy..

the Jesus texts are probably from about 20 different people...

yes, do some research on the semerians..



ahhh ok :)



Yes you have said... but it does not really mean anything as his research has not been about satan... but about the Annunaki.... and I believe he has implied him self "Satanists" is a term people seem to use today... he said something like that in one of his vid casts.... TBH general occult stuff is not something icke goes into deeply.... he just works to expose the ones running the world .... he has mad it no secret he feels Christianity and religion as a hole is part of the problem ...not the solution..

David Icke has never gone into who Satan is... but he has gone into how much the bible has been mistranslated and how the story of Jesus is pile of poo. and I appreciate that.

Well maybe Icke need to find out and go one step further and understand that they annunaki were fallen angels, (which, if i recall, he has they were fallen angels) and that Satan's actual offspring are the present day blood-drinkers we have amongst us.

But I just read in one of his books last night where he did refer to the annunaki as fallen angels.

The sumerians were the offsping of the fallen angels....or annunaki "god-like" beings.

We are all on a learning curve aren't we?

If you think Satan isn't real, you either have your head in the sand, are extremely naive or you have your own reasons for writing what you do.

mynameis
27-10-2008, 07:25 PM
Well maybe Icke need to find out and go one step further and understand that they annunaki were fallen angels, (which, if i recall, he has they were fallen angels) and that Satan's actual offspring are the present day blood-drinkers we have amongst us.

But I just read in one of his books last night where he did refer to the annunaki as fallen angels.

The sumerians were the offsping of the fallen angels....or annunaki "god-like" beings.

We are all on a learning curve aren't we?

If you think Satan isn't real, you either have your head in the sand, are extremely naive or you have your own reasons for writing what you do.

Well Icke thinks possession is the key to the bloodlines. I know blood drinking reptiles are the Dracula legend, but I don't think Icke is mistaken. There could be two types running around. Shifters from ? and humans able to be possessed by those creatures from ? not in this dimension.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 07:34 PM
Well Icke thinks possession is the key to the bloodlines. I know blood drinking reptiles are the Dracula legend, but I don't think Icke is mistaken. There could be two types running around. Shifters from ? and humans able to be possessed by those creatures from ? not in this dimension.

I believe Icke has written that certain bloodlines are more suseptible to possession due to their bloodlines. But they have to be activated first. I suppose the purer the bloodline, the more easily someone can be possessed. That's why the bloodlines are guarded so meticulously.

I think the bloodline straight from Satan's progeny are the purest bloodline, so to speak. the other bloodlines are more diluted, if you can use that term. I speculate that the lesser bloodline possibly come from the fallen angels, annunaki, and are not as powerful as the satanic bloodline itself.

A lot of myths end up being founded upon real stories.

lostinstrangeworld
27-10-2008, 07:39 PM
Interesting thread. Tsarion thinks that Lucifer symbolized a race of beings that wanted to help the humans who had been tampered with genetically, who had learned ways such as certain forms of yoga and meditation, to return to their full potential despite their damaged strands of DNA.

But who knows? Who really knows?

Let's keep searching, with open minds.

It's a difficult topic, but no need to insult one another, eh?

:) ;)

thirdwave
27-10-2008, 07:40 PM
Well maybe Icke need to find out and go one step further and understand that they annunaki were fallen angels,

You have not read an icke book have you?



(which, if i recall, he has they were fallen angels) and that Satan's actual offspring are the present day blood-drinkers we have amongst us.

will the penny ever drop that the bible talk of such things is like a symbolic refrence to who came from the sky.... and why are you not also curious to know why the bible was miss translated in saying "god".. and not "gods".. somthing icke also talks about..


But I just read in one of his books last night where he did refer to the annunaki as fallen angels.

Ahhh, I was going to say :)

The sumerians were the offsping of the fallen angels....or annunaki "god-like" beings.

No the annunaki where meant to BE the fallen angels... who mated (or geneticily created us.. in the "enclosed garden".. (garden of eden)
which would of course mean that you and I are related to satan :)


We are all on a learning curve aren't we?
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If you think Satan isn't real, you either have your head in the sand, are extremely naive or you have your own reasons for writing what you do.

Yes we are all on a learning curve.... I dont think Satan is not real, I simply know it... going by research and common sense... and of course 0 evidence he is real... not even a speck....a smidgen... all you go by is a a race that was meant to have fallen from the sky and fucked shit up...

If you think Satan is real you are living in never never land, and need to take a rain check..do more research open your mind more and also take more responsibly for your own inner desires and down falls, like everyone.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 07:56 PM
Interesting thread. Tsarion thinks that Lucifer symbolized a race of beings that wanted to help the humans who had been tampered with genetically, who had learned ways such as certain forms of yoga and meditation, to return to their full potential despite their damaged strands of DNA.

But who knows? Who really knows?

Let's keep searching, with open minds.

It's a difficult topic, but no need to insult one another, eh?

:) ;)

Tsarion unfortunately got it wrong. That annunaki beings (fallen angels) certainly did not want to help us humans. Look at the fruit. They want to eat human flesh and drink human blood and sacrifice humans......that's GOOD????

That is HELP????

If that's help, thanks, but NO THANKS.:rolleyes:

amethyst
27-10-2008, 07:58 PM
You have not read an icke book have you?

Funny how I just quoted from Icke books in several places here on the forum.:rolleyes:

And stop copying my purple font TW.........






Just kidding.

thirdwave
27-10-2008, 08:57 PM
Tsarion unfortunately got it wrong. That annunaki beings (fallen angels) certainly did not want to help us humans. Look at the fruit. They want to eat human flesh and drink human blood and sacrifice humans......that's GOOD????

That is HELP????

If that's help, thanks, but NO THANKS.:rolleyes:

actually lostinstrangeworld is right but a little mistaken, the info needs clarifying...

Tsarion does not say that the annunaki wanted to help us... he said they wanted to create us in order to have a slave race that served them. but the first breed they created wised up to them and left.... it was the hamans who the anuunaki created who left the annunaki and came back to help the new breed that is believed to be us..... but the annunaki according to Tsarion came down to earth and geneticliy created us for slavery... if you had researched any of his works you would know that...

I believe stichen leans more towards thinking the annunaki had good intentions... though might be wrong..

those Tsarion did bring up that some of the annunaki did help the humans not agreeing with what was going on and helping the humans survive some cataclysms and war..

thirdwave
27-10-2008, 08:58 PM
Funny how I just quoted from Icke books in several places here on the forum.:rolleyes:

And stop copying my purple font TW.........






Just kidding.


well when you asked why Icke did not talk about fallen angels it made me wonder...

no idea why its copying the pink font :)

bug i think.

amethyst
27-10-2008, 10:20 PM
bug i think.

I figured that....

As far as Icke mentioning the annunaki as fallen angels, it was in my "Tales From the Time loop" book.

My theory is though, that not all of us have been messed with by the nephilim....the one's that have been preserving themselves (their bloodlines) are the elite.

I have wondered if after Satan impregnated Eve and gave birth to Cain, maybe some sort of evil "residue' was left behind when Eve then went on to give birth to Able and then Seth. Because we (humans) all have the propensitiy towards either evil or good....just in differeing degrees. Yeah, that's a way out theory........But that's a far cry from wanting to drink someone's blood or sacrifice someone.

thirdwave
28-10-2008, 12:03 AM
I figured that....

As far as Icke mentioning the annunaki as fallen angels, it was in my "Tales From the Time loop" book.

My theory is though, that not all of us have been messed with by the nephilim....the one's that have been preserving themselves (their bloodlines) are the elite.

I have wondered if after Satan impregnated Eve and gave birth to Cain, maybe some sort of evil "residue' was left behind when Eve then went on to give birth to Able and then Seth. Because we (humans) all have the propensitiy towards either evil or good....just in differeing degrees. Yeah, that's a way out theory........But that's a far cry from wanting to drink someone's blood or sacrifice someone.



people do evil things when it does not seem wrong to do it... or the wongness of it seems ok.

because what they have programming in there brain is different to others...

and bad programming can lead to bad people....

the answer?.... educate people more about what and who we are... about how our brains can be programmed and how to make sure they are programmed well and they are not hacked into by the elite or the pit falls of the society we live in.

if there was a being called Satan then these are the methods he would use to make people evil... and its what would have happened to him, with who ever made him evil.

our weakness and enemy is limited awareness of our own conciousness.

cobra
28-10-2008, 01:28 AM
u need to see a full intervie whid chedo mutwa and david icke. he is talking abauth aliens and that his leeder is satan himself.

i am giving you few links.

that is an interviev.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf0o4TkoObo


som worker in area 51
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSMI4Wrch0o

the move that is myn to pruve to you that they exsist
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZPt-LG5iyU

http://www.panoramio.com/user/1362683

amethyst
28-10-2008, 03:00 AM
In keeping with this topic, this thread would seem to fit in reall well, because this is Satan's goal and that is to prepare the word for his crowning achievement, and that is the antichrist:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40091&highlight=the+arrivals

lostinstrangeworld
28-10-2008, 03:49 AM
actually lostinstrangeworld is right but a little mistaken, the info needs clarifying...

Tsarion does not say that the annunaki wanted to help us... he said they wanted to create us in order to have a slave race that served them. but the first breed they created wised up to them and left.... it was the hamans who the anuunaki created who left the annunaki and came back to help the new breed that is believed to be us..... but the annunaki according to Tsarion came down to earth and geneticliy created us for slavery... if you had researched any of his works you would know that...

I believe stichen leans more towards thinking the annunaki had good intentions... though might be wrong..

those Tsarion did bring up that some of the annunaki did help the humans not agreeing with what was going on and helping the humans survive some cataclysms and war..

Yes, sorry, I should have been more clearer. When I said "race of beings" what I was trying to refer to were those first genetically engineered humans who had rebelled and left their slave masters. After this, Tsarion said the annunaki created another breed of human slaves, who's DNA had been been further debilitated in order to dumb them down; make them less intelligent and aware. These genetically dumbed down humans were the ones that the first breed of humans wanted to help, and according to Tsarion, were symbolized by "the serpent" in the supposedly deceptive story of Eden. I think he said the snake symbolism was used because it represented a person whos chakras and kundalini, etc, were fully awakened.



As for me, I keep an open mind, I cannot settle for any one person's ideas, I have to really know for myself before I can make my mind up.....so let's keep searching.

amethyst
30-10-2008, 06:29 PM
Yes, sorry, I should have been more clearer. When I said "race of beings" what I was trying to refer to were those first genetically engineered humans who had rebelled and left their slave masters. After this, Tsarion said the annunaki created another breed of human slaves, who's DNA had been been further debilitated in order to dumb them down; make them less intelligent and aware. These genetically dumbed down humans were the ones that the first breed of humans wanted to help, and according to Tsarion, were symbolized by "the serpent" in the supposedly deceptive story of Eden. I think he said the snake symbolism was used because it represented a person whos chakras and kundalini, etc, were fully awakened.



As for me, I keep an open mind, I cannot settle for any one person's ideas, I have to really know for myself before I can make my mind up.....so let's keep searching.

I don't think the annunaki (the fallen angels) created any races. What they did,I think was they tampered with the human races, thus createing hybrid human/angelic offspiring. That's how their offspring got to be giants. They were copying Satan their leader angel,and what Satan did with Eve. The annunaki were copy-cats IMO.

Eve being seduced by Satan, gave birth to Satan's child Cain. Cain murdered Able his half brother, (who was from Adam and Eve's mating) Adam and Eve then had to have another child Seth, after Able got murdered. Cain was sent out of the garden of Eden due to his murder. One of Cain's offspring, named Nimrod, was the one who built the tower of Babel, where the all the mystery religions started. it started in babylon. That's why righteous people are told to come "out" of babylon and not partake of her sins.

Cuz babylon is going to be destroyed. Spiritual Babylon exists today, and it will be destroyed by God because it is evil.

On the other hand, Seth (Adam and Eve's other son) descendants produced Noah who didn't have any nephilim dna in him. And Noah was a good guy. Most people don't know they are descended from Noah's offspring today but they are. And they've been lied to by Satan's offspring, who like to drink blood, hoard the world's wealth and kill others for the fun of it. Why would normal people do that? Well, some of the world's elite are unfortunately not normal.

mahabaratara
30-10-2008, 07:17 PM
You nailed it honey. Vampires. Cain was the first. His descendents are still around today - we may presume.


Shiva has descendants too...

Rest easy...


;)