Galloway and the debunking of Loose change film

[wakeupworld]

Talksport radio presenter George Galloway in response to a text message on his radio show about the 9/11 conspiracy film Loose Change stated that the film had been comprehensively debunked.
The person named Ross that sent the text had stated that they believe this film.
I will quote Galloway`s response,
"Alas Ross you have been fooled son, it`s been debunked comprehensively.
Look, just go to the guardian website and look up George Momjian and type in Loose Change and you will find it debunked line by line."

The link for the this quote can be found at http://www.spiderednews.com/GeorgeGalloway.htm?vid=700410 it starts at 01.26.41
The link for the debunking Loose Change article can be found at http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/feb/06/comment.film

Would be interested in reading comments on this, for me I know there has been inaccuracies in Loose Change but why is Galloway and George Momjian so dismissive about this film documentary?

[drhemp]

I fear Galloway is an 'all things to all people' politician. When William Rodriquez was on some satellite show Galloway was presenting, I remember at the end he said to William something like "I see you are wearing a 911 truth badge, if by 911 truth you mean that you don't believe the US Government's version of events, then I am too a 911 truther.

Respect to Galloway for making those US Senators look like utter knobs when they questioned him about his dealings with the Iraqi regime, but when I hear he is saying things like this, then that shows him up for being a knob too.

I suspect Galloway is putting his pay packet and media career ahead of any credibility or RESPECT he may have once had.

Respect to Michael Meacher for being prepared to say he believed it was an inside job, when asked about it at a meeting in Dartington earlier in the year. He even raised questions about the London bombings, which are probably much more politically sensitive for a UK politician to talk about.

Thank you for putting the record straight George, of course if it says so in the Guardian, it must be true. Twat!

[shodan]

I found it very encouraging that the 'debunking' article is as weak as piss. they are getting very desperate about the awakening thats going on.

the article sets the tone from the beginning in its opening paragraphs, and the people that it placates will be amongst the last to wake up, they are in for one hell of a shock when reality hits them.

Its a shame about Galloway, he's had some brilliant moments.

the opening paragraph of the gaurdian article:

There is a virus sweeping the world. It infects opponents of the Bush government, sucks their brains out through their eyes and turns them into gibbering idiots. First cultivated in a laboratory in the US, the strain reached these shores a few months ago. In the past fortnight, it has become an epidemic. Scarcely a day now passes without someone possessed by this sickness, eyes rolling, lips flecked with foam, trying to infect me.
The disease is called Loose Change. It is a film made by three young men that airs most of the standard conspiracy theories about the attacks of September 11 2001. Unlike the other 9/11 conspiracy films, Loose Change is sharp and swift, with a thumping soundtrack, slick graphics and a calm and authoritative voiceover. Its makers claim that it has now been watched by 100 million people.

[gremlin]

Look, just go to the guardian website and look up George Momjian and type in Loose Change and you will find it debunked line by line."

http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/lol-045.gif

i use the guardian to wipe my arse:D

[drhemp]

http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/lol-045.gif

i use the guardian to wipe my arse:D

eek, you'll get ink on yer bum from the poor quality print

[disorder2k8]

Lol "bend over a minute.. My god, bankers got a 16bn payrise.. shocking.. ok do you have the social column by chance? nevermind.. you can sit down now"

[daveashe]

The Guardian likes to think its out there in the fringe with Monbiot and co. if you look at their headlines there's not that much different from the bbc.

I saw monbiot talking once, going on about the planet being in danger, because of global warming we have to do something now etc. promoting is book, HEAT

Whether he himself has been infected by a virus called 'the global warming virus' who knows, because the earth is actually cooling - its getting colder year upon year, and vast numbers of scientists who were silenced still stand up and say there is no evidence to support global warming.

I smell a shill, Mobiot is a virus himself, spreading disinformation, for the elite knowingly or unknowingly himself.

As for Galloway, he has no credibility whatsoever after going on celibrity big brother.

[drhemp]

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/reply-to-monbiot.htm

[juddfinn]

I saw monbiot talking once, going on about the planet being in danger, because of global warming we have to do something now etc. promoting is book, HEAT

Whether he himself has been infected by a virus called 'the global warming virus' who knows, because the earth is actually cooling ...

I smell a shill, Mobiot is a virus himself, spreading disinformation, for the elite knowingly or unknowingly himself.

As for Galloway, he has no credibility whatsoever after going on celebrity big brother.

Good Post.

Galloway, as well as saying David Icke is a loony, is also a Global Warming advocate and just can't take that next step to get out of his own comfort zone and take a proper look (at 9/11, "Climate Change", Icke words etc)...

Monbiot has his head up his ass, so for him it probably IS getting warmer...

But Galloway did say he was a "9/11 truther" to WTC hero William R. when he interviewed him and accepted there were flaws in the 'official story'... though that's not good enough George, it's time to read something deeper than the Guardian if your gonna learn anything.

There are other posts elsewhere on this forum about G.G. and all his classic stuckness & resistance to anything that's too challenging for his engrained mind-set/beliefs about the world... but in the end he is quite a mainstream middle-of-the-road self serving MP, what should we expect? He never was that great, it's just that all the others are so very much worse!

[twistedconcept]

Good Post.

Galloway, as well as saying David Icke is a loony, is also a Global Warming advocate and just can't take that next step to get out of his own comfort zone and take a proper look (at 9/11, "Climate Change", Icke words etc)...

Monbiot has his head up his ass, so for him it probably IS getting warmer...

But Galloway did say he was a "9/11 truther" to WTC hero William R. when he interviewed him and accepted there were flaws in the 'official story'... though that's not good enough George, it's time to read something deeper than the Guardian if your gonna learn anything.

There are other posts elsewhere on this forum about G.G. and all his classic stuckness & resistance to anything that's too challenging for his engrained mind-set/beliefs about the world... but in the end he is quite a mainstream middle-of-the-road self serving MP, what should we expect? He never was that great, it's just that all the others are so very much worse!

He also licks Obama's arse and thinks he's the second coming of christ. He's a big fan of Al Gore and Bill Clinton.

The guy is a fucking idiot. Didn't he wear a dress in that ridiculous show Big Brother?

[juddfinn]

Five Reasons To Deny 911 Was An Inside Job By Douglas Herman

1.Comfort.
Comfortable people do not dissent. They rarely question authority, unless overwhelmed by fleeting pangs of conscience or momentary madness. Why would any self-satisfied comfortable person want to discomfort themselves? The whole purpose of a comfortable person is to acquire more comfort or to ensure a perpetual state of comfort. Why would comfortable people, contented with their place in the world--a comfortable home, a well-paid job, respect within their community--want to upset that equilibrium? Why would any comfortable person question his government about circumstances he cannot control? Why risk discomfort, disapproval, suspension from work and community scorn simply to question something like 911 that cannot be changed? To a comfortable person, that makes no sense at all.

2. Complacency.
Complacent people rarely make waves, create dissension, cause an uproar. They prefer not to talk about politics and religion, nor to do any independent thinking. Because a complacent mind is a safe mind. Complacent people prefer "to get along to go along," to swim with the tide, to run with the herd, to blow with the wind. They like to mind their own business which, on the face of it, seems like common sense and the safe thing to do. Because to get passionately involved in any cause or belief (aside from sports) would require a lapse of complacency. Complacency, unlike comfort, requires a more practiced inertia. To accept the state or the status quo, with mild complaint--but only the mildest, acceptable complaint--and plod along like herd animals. To dare question the state, or debate popular consensus, is not only foolish and insane but borderline treasonable to the complacent citizen.

3. Cowardice
Cowardice is the most understandable of denials of 911. It is convenient to deny 911 out of fear, because to do otherwise, to look at the evidence presented by the most powerful empire in the world, requires a heretical leap of independent thought. A mental insurrection worthy of revolutionaries, pioneers, patriots and outraged citizens. But cowards cannot sift the evidence and arrive at an independent conclusion. They have been beaten and cowed and, at most, can only cringe and howl in derision from the rear. At every original thought or contrary opinion (contrary to the state and the corporate media that is), they howl and scurry away, anonymously. At best, their children may lead them, by example, into a braver realm of thought.

4. Conviction
Conviction--to be convinced of one's rightness---and the courage to assert it, is admirable even if one is proven wrong eventually. A great many believers (in the official story) are as convinced of the Kean Commission version of 911, as we skeptics are of their error. These believers claim, with many, many intelligent professionals to back up their claims, that steel does weaken and melt from fuel fires and big buildings do indeed collapse, that falling concrete does indeed pulverize into micro-sized dust particles, that incompetence does not necessary indicate evil. We truthers, in turn, claim the mass of incriminating evidence overwhelms the experts and trumps their testimony. So who is more right? Time will tell. But the only way we will ever convince these true believers (our co-workers, friends and family) of the falsity in the official, government version of 911 is to show them what a lying, poisonous, murderous, mercenary, fear-mongering, war-mongering, fascistic group they have put their faith in. And every day more and more disgruntled citizens are becoming convinced we may have a point.

5. Collusion
A secret activity undertaken by two or more people for the purpose of FRAUD. The definition of collusion. The US media colludes every day. They collude with the White House or Pentagon or State Department to perpetrate some fraud or other. And many of us collude right along with them. The smallest group of 911 deniers, numbering several million, which I call the Colluders, includes many who have worked for the US government, still work for the US government, receive huge chunks of money from that government to fund their work, depend on contracts from the US government and, more often than not, support the official US government line. Many of them, working high in the US government--NSA, FBI, CIA, Pentagon officials---know exactly what happened on 911 but keep quiet. Colluding all the way to the bank. Privately they may not agree with many aspects of the official version but, publicly, they will NOT utter a single statement, will NOT go on record, publicly, with a single dissenting word. Not while there is money to be made. And so, of all the 911 deniers, they are most complicit with the crime.
Comfort. Complacency. Cowardice. Conviction. Collusion. And sometimes a combination of all of them.

[drhemp]

I see the British Brainwashing Corporation tonight on BBC2 are repeating that dreadful programme as to why Building 7 just happened to collapse. Well I was toying as to whether to go to the pub or not; pub it is! See you in the Castle if anyone's up for a pint?

[jimmi]

Thanks for the excellent post Doc.
Hope you enjoy that pint, I'm off to work!

[steevo]

George Galloway probably thinks that he cannot lose. I bet that he thinks to himself that if, in the future, Bush gets found out and gets prosecuted for War Crimes and for conspiring to carry out false flag ops including 911, then Galloway will hold is hands up and say "you were right, 911 was an inside job, I was fooled. But now I am going to expose the corruption in Britain". He will switch sides as soon as it benefits HIM and Galloway is gonna expect people to support him.

[timezone]

George Galloway is Scottish Rite of Freemasonry another false reality i used to believe this guy now i know he's a crock of shit. :D

[daveashe]

Coersion is the name of the game, like David Icke said they steer the debate away from the issues they don't want people to know then kill them off.

[godspeed]

Five Reasons To Deny 911 Was An Inside Job By Douglas Herman

1.Comfort.
Comfortable people do not dissent. They rarely question authority, unless overwhelmed by fleeting pangs of conscience or momentary madness. Why would any self-satisfied comfortable person want to discomfort themselves? The whole purpose of a comfortable person is to acquire more comfort or to ensure a perpetual state of comfort. Why would comfortable people, contented with their place in the world--a comfortable home, a well-paid job, respect within their community--want to upset that equilibrium? Why would any comfortable person question his government about circumstances he cannot control? Why risk discomfort, disapproval, suspension from work and community scorn simply to question something like 911 that cannot be changed? To a comfortable person, that makes no sense at all.

2. Complacency.
Complacent people rarely make waves, create dissension, cause an uproar. They prefer not to talk about politics and religion, nor to do any independent thinking. Because a complacent mind is a safe mind. Complacent people prefer "to get along to go along," to swim with the tide, to run with the herd, to blow with the wind. They like to mind their own business which, on the face of it, seems like common sense and the safe thing to do. Because to get passionately involved in any cause or belief (aside from sports) would require a lapse of complacency. Complacency, unlike comfort, requires a more practiced inertia. To accept the state or the status quo, with mild complaint--but only the mildest, acceptable complaint--and plod along like herd animals. To dare question the state, or debate popular consensus, is not only foolish and insane but borderline treasonable to the complacent citizen.

3. Cowardice
Cowardice is the most understandable of denials of 911. It is convenient to deny 911 out of fear, because to do otherwise, to look at the evidence presented by the most powerful empire in the world, requires a heretical leap of independent thought. A mental insurrection worthy of revolutionaries, pioneers, patriots and outraged citizens. But cowards cannot sift the evidence and arrive at an independent conclusion. They have been beaten and cowed and, at most, can only cringe and howl in derision from the rear. At every original thought or contrary opinion (contrary to the state and the corporate media that is), they howl and scurry away, anonymously. At best, their children may lead them, by example, into a braver realm of thought.

4. Conviction
Conviction--to be convinced of one's rightness---and the courage to assert it, is admirable even if one is proven wrong eventually. A great many believers (in the official story) are as convinced of the Kean Commission version of 911, as we skeptics are of their error. These believers claim, with many, many intelligent professionals to back up their claims, that steel does weaken and melt from fuel fires and big buildings do indeed collapse, that falling concrete does indeed pulverize into micro-sized dust particles, that incompetence does not necessary indicate evil. We truthers, in turn, claim the mass of incriminating evidence overwhelms the experts and trumps their testimony. So who is more right? Time will tell. But the only way we will ever convince these true believers (our co-workers, friends and family) of the falsity in the official, government version of 911 is to show them what a lying, poisonous, murderous, mercenary, fear-mongering, war-mongering, fascistic group they have put their faith in. And every day more and more disgruntled citizens are becoming convinced we may have a point.

5. Collusion
A secret activity undertaken by two or more people for the purpose of FRAUD. The definition of collusion. The US media colludes every day. They collude with the White House or Pentagon or State Department to perpetrate some fraud or other. And many of us collude right along with them. The smallest group of 911 deniers, numbering several million, which I call the Colluders, includes many who have worked for the US government, still work for the US government, receive huge chunks of money from that government to fund their work, depend on contracts from the US government and, more often than not, support the official US government line. Many of them, working high in the US government--NSA, FBI, CIA, Pentagon officials---know exactly what happened on 911 but keep quiet. Colluding all the way to the bank. Privately they may not agree with many aspects of the official version but, publicly, they will NOT utter a single statement, will NOT go on record, publicly, with a single dissenting word. Not while there is money to be made. And so, of all the 911 deniers, they are most complicit with the crime.
Comfort. Complacency. Cowardice. Conviction. Collusion. And sometimes a combination of all of them.

really good breakdown on the mass's there....so true..:rolleyes:

[keystone]

George Galloway is Scottish Rite of FreemasonryDo you have some evidence of this claim?

................................... now i know he's a crock of shit. :DI ALWAYS thought he was. Born an AH and just grew bigger! :D :D

[keystone]

George Galloway is Scottish Rite of Freemasonry

Do you have some evidence of this claim?

No? Thought not.

[real6]

I read it and that George guy cant even give one fact why any of that subect matter is false. Hes a load of shit!!!

[91181]

George Galloway is Scottish Rite of Freemasonry another false reality i used to believe this guy now i know he's a crock of shit. :D





Wouldnt be suprised in the slighist , infact it makes complete sense to me.. I used to listen to him alot , turns out he's another wolf , i guess anyone getting air time we have to be suspicous of now days ..

[91181]

Anyone here got the audio when 2tuff called his show if i remeber correctly he got cut of when linking Obamas campain too the CFR and Builderburgers ect ..

[secondsun]

...the people that control the World control everything of any significance!... and that includes GG`!... I cringe everytime he reads a text quoting from one of his adoring blind sheep fans... " George!.. your the voice of truth"... or such like!?... God Damn stupid people!... listen to the person still searching for truth!... not the person that says they know it!

...imo!

[xpleet]

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[masonfree party]

9-11 Subliminal Messages in Movies?‏
From: Andrew Johnson (ad.johnson@ntlworld.com)
Sent: 01 November 2008 09:31:52
Reply-to: ad.johnson@ntlworld.com
To: ad.johnson@ntlworld.com

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Hollywood_911.htm

Film: Independence Day (1996)
Time: 00:45:33 (Special Edition) 00:41:22 (Theatrical Version)
Scene: As Air Force 1 evacuates the President and his family, Jeff Goldblum sets a laptop up to watch the countdown. When the camera cuts to a close-up one of the ticks is 9:11:01.



There are more here:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=54797.0

But some of these rely on 9 and 11 between adjacent numbers in a sequence, which is more tenuous.

The Simpsons one is also pretty weird...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKkEq0n6gPY


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Are you interested in what's really going on in the world, behind the facade? Then...
http://www.checktheevidence.com/

What happened on 9/11?
http://www.drjudywood.com/

[masonfree party]

just look to who gets attacked the most in the 911 truth movement and who gets their 911 student murdered to find out who is a genuine 911 truth researcher...yes you guessed it

www.drjudywod.com

www.checktheevidence.com

[masonfree party]

www.drjudywood.com

[keithm]

ex-alaska senator and 9/11 truther mike gravel is on galloway's talksport show tonight,starting at 10pm.

[clint web]

He's very slimy is Galloway.

Wouldn't trust him anymore than I'd trust a snake.

[red_ram]

I had a bad feeling when I watched Loose Change, like it's content is just another infiltration to the truth movement. I don't particularly think that Jason Bermas has evil intend.

How so? I thought it raised a lot of vaid questions and had credible scientific data.

[xpleet]

How so? I thought it raised a lot of vaid questions and had credible scientific data.

Screw that, I confused this with "Fabled Enemies"

[finalfrontier]

Galloway is a disinfo, bait-and-switch, agent.

[twistedconcept]

Galloway really is a moron.

If you disagree with him, he tends to either cut you off or just shout loudly. He's useless.

[and justice for all]

I fear Galloway is an 'all things to all people' politician. When William Rodriquez was on some satellite show Galloway was presenting, I remember at the end he said to William something like "I see you are wearing a 911 truth badge, if by 911 truth you mean that you don't believe the US Government's version of events, then I am too a 911 truther.

Respect to Galloway for making those US Senators look like utter knobs when they questioned him about his dealings with the Iraqi regime, but when I hear he is saying things like this, then that shows him up for being a knob too.

I suspect Galloway is putting his pay packet and media career ahead of any credibility or RESPECT he may have once had.

Respect to Michael Meacher for being prepared to say he believed it was an inside job, when asked about it at a meeting in Dartington earlier in the year. He even raised questions about the London bombings, which are probably much more politically sensitive for a UK politician to talk about.

Thank you for putting the record straight George, of course if it says so in the Guardian, it must be true. Twat!

That’s a very fair and balanced opinion on the subject matter.

I personally think Galloway is lining himself up for an over due a$$ whooping.

Monbiot’s Guardian article is his undisputed source for “debunking” Loose Change? Is he serious?

---
Snip from the Guardian article;
“Counterpunch, the radical leftwing magazine, commissioned its own expert - an aerospace and mechanical engineer - to test the official findings. He shows that the institute must have been right. He also demonstrates how Building 7 collapsed. Burning debris falling from the twin towers ruptured the oil pipes feeding its emergency generators. The reduction in pressure triggered the automatic pumping system, which poured thousands of gallons of diesel on to the fire. The support trusses weakened and buckled, and the building imploded. Popular Mechanics magazine polled 300 experts and came to the same conclusions“.
---

The ‘oil generators - structural damage caused by debris’ thesis was already abandoned even by the latest NSA whitewash on B7, pointing to ‘normal offices fire’ as the main cause of the collapse.

This guy [galloway] is not even up to date with the bull he chooses to mindlessly regurgitate.

[blueyonder2012]

Some great References:

Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/120407_common_knowledge.htm

Former German Defense Minister Confirms CIA Involvement in 9/11
http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html

Former FBI Chief Ted Gunnderson - Inside Job
http://www.tedgunderson.com/Letters/Bush.htm

Hundreds of military, political, and intelligence professionals question 9/11
http://patriotsquestion911.com/

MP Michael Meacher: This war on terrorism is bogus
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/sep/06/september11.iraq



911 In Plane Site
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5386487651203625811



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[thankyoudave]

Galloway dodges the subject of the New World Order too never mind so many high profile leaders have spoken about it. I've more or less given up on his radio show, I find the bloke to be extremely arrogant and frightened of differing views to his own.

[gribz]

I fear Galloway is an 'all things to all people' politician. When William Rodriquez was on some satellite show Galloway was presenting, I remember at the end he said to William something like "I see you are wearing a 911 truth badge, if by 911 truth you mean that you don't believe the US Government's version of events, then I am too a 911 truther.

Respect to Galloway for making those US Senators look like utter knobs when they questioned him about his dealings with the Iraqi regime, but when I hear he is saying things like this, then that shows him up for being a knob too.

I suspect Galloway is putting his pay packet and media career ahead of any credibility or RESPECT he may have once had.

Respect to Michael Meacher for being prepared to say he believed it was an inside job, when asked about it at a meeting in Dartington earlier in the year. He even raised questions about the London bombings, which are probably much more politically sensitive for a UK politician to talk about.

Thank you for putting the record straight George, of course if it says so in the Guardian, it must be true. Twat!

Yip as said earlier good post.

I used to be totally anti-Galloway but on the basis of what other people said. I did some research on him and started listening to his radio show and have to say i agreed with quite a number of his policies. The first thing that i listened to was he wants these killer dogs permantely muzzled and for the owner to be 'fit' to own one.

I also agree he was superb the way he spoke to those US senators.

But then he has as much bad points as good points. He is a bit of a bigot when it comes to football.

All in all, i think he is harmless and depending on what side of the bed he gets up dicates whether he will talk nonsense or truth that day