Religion- a honey trap for mind control

[lostinstrangeworld]

Most of the main religions, are, in my opinion, honey traps for MIND CONTROL.

On one hand they tell us that God is love, on the other hand they try to tell us that God punishes us and teaches people to punish those who are not obedient.

It seems to me that such teachings stunt the development of our minds by teaching us to judge RATHER THAN to love and to UNDERSTAND; by searching for the ROOT CAUSES of things.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=579325&postcount=152
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=579325#post579325

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Christ_Conspiracy/message/8412

[lostinstrangeworld]

What I really want to know, is who is really responsible for these religions. Could the creator of this world be a cruel, controlling god? Or are these religions simply creations which came from the minds/ illusions of these so-called prophet's higher selves? Or are extra terrestrials/ extra dimensionals responsible for these religions?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Hi Lostinstrangeworld: Thanx for sharing your experience and the Bhudda story.

In answer to your above question, I do not think so. The reason is: At the core of many 'religions' are Doctrines of Self Discipline and Self Restraint. This is probably an angle Bhudda used on the Terrorist.

Myself, the 'School of Thought' I embrace; Yahwism, has taught and reinforced the above qualities, thus garnering much peace in my personal and social affairs. These are Tangible Benefits.

I was 'rambunctious' in my youth, and my lack of restraint and discipline 'retarded' my spiritual development.

It is better to not create a problem, then to resolve a problem. Time & Money are preserved.

There is always enough trouble that comes along for 'Free', one doesn't have to go 'Buy or Look' for trouble.

Preservation of the Individual aides the preservation of the Group.

Great story Lostinstrangeworld that Book is on my 'short list'

Thanx again


Kindest Regards: Snoops


Here is an interesting 'Take' on Yahwism; the 'Whys & Wherefors':

I would value your unvarnished opinion!


http://www.yahweh.com/PWMags/PW02-06/plan.htm

[lostinstrangeworld]

Also, I think that the belief in "good" and "evil" causes a fracture within the consciousness of the human mind.

We have been at odds with ourselves, fighting an age-old battle between these two illusory "forces", which, if we carry on going about it the way we have, can never be overcome!

http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-17544946.jpg?size=572&uid={EBB25559-2A89-4BBF-835A-18EC15083E1B}

If we are tired of it all, of the needless hate, suffering and war then we must wake up!

I am not saying that evil does not exist. What I am saying is that ACTIONS are evil, not the essence/ life-force within the body of a person.

To overcome evil, we must better understand ourselves, and others, by understanding how our experiences and genetic make-up influence/ program us.

Evil can only be TRANSFORMED through LOVE and UNDERSTANDING.

I really feel that there is NO other way!

If demons and such do exist then these are entities which have got so caught up within the illusion of creation that they have FORGOTTEN how to love, or maybe demons are actually illusions/ computer programs created by the collective consciousness and fears of the masses.

[knightofthegrail]

There
Is
No
Such
Thing
As
Evil

:)

It was, whether mythologically or literally, a bullshit notion sold to us in eden by the lying serpent. There is no Evil, only varying levels of Good; hence - Judge Not...and instead Love and Forgive :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

The key, I feel, to free ourselves from the "Matrix" is to TRANSCEND DUALITY by realizing all is "One", first by a thorough understanding of ourselves and each other, and secondly by love!

Love of the purest kind is infinite and unconditional.


When two people make love, when two individuals create a perfect fusion of energies, duality is transcended, oneness is experienced....and a tiny bit of heaven shines through, for a moment.

Sex is one of the most powerful energies on the planet, which has sadly become misunderstood, abused and perverted. Why? Because we have become UNBALANCED. We must RE-BALANCE ourselves. We must re-balance ourselves by understanding ourselves fully, then learning to love and accept it. We will find balance when we learn to love others as we love ourselves, and not cause any harm to one another because to harm another is to harm yourself as we are all connected. We must learn to stop being so SELFISH, but at the same time this doesn't mean we have to deny ourselves joy. We only have to find a BALANCE. That is all!!

http://www.kalilily.net/weblog/yinyang.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x268/AmelieJolie7/infinitelove.jpg

[jonas parker]

I guess I'd rather believe in God and be wrong than not believe in God and be wrong...

[lostinstrangeworld]

Even if those beliefs contribute to a perpetual cycle of hate and suffering?

I believe in "God" but in the sense only of God being the force of pure love.
I have freed my mind from the mind trap of religion.
Dogmatic teachings and true spirituality are not one and the same.

[dedicate]

What is "true spirituality"? -- sounds like you might have fell into a honey trap.

You speak in generalities

"On one hand they tell us that God is love, on the other hand they try to tell us that God punishes us and teaches people to punish those who are not obedient." -- Could you find any examples where this is not true? Have you investigated? Who are "they"? Do you not "punish" your children when they steal or cheat or lie? I would hope that you do show them that there are consequences for their actions.
All I see here for a "thesis" is Generality speak.-- precurser to Orwell's nightmare world. Watch out,, you may be falling into something a lot worse than a honey pot trap!

"We only have to find a BALANCE. That is all!!" -- generalities, and is not all. You could also say.. "One only has to give up on the idea of seperation" or "One only has to KEEP a balance, then things will become clearer. Finding a blalance is half of it". Or "Remove the impurities and find truth". Maxims.. but hardly "all".

Then, why not, money is a honey trap for mind control (and body control). Or education is a honey trap for mind control. -- Dangerous ideas (secular dogmas), though true,-- when taken to the extreme. You could become a hater, and that is not good is it?

I would think that if I had a real hate or contempt for some institution, like you do here, or maybe the Federal Reserve or fMarriage, for example, then I would really truely investigate it before making public statements against said institution. That way I could present a reasonable arguement to people, and maybe respond intelligently to the other side's points. But that is just me. Maybe the original poster likes to grab an idea out of thin air (whatever feels good and right at the time), place it a Lucifer's feet, and let it burn as he runs with it. Eh?.

Good luck.

[kasalt]

Most of the main religions, are, in my opinion, honey traps for MIND CONTROL.

On one hand they tell us that God is love, on the other hand they try to tell us that God punishes us and teaches people to punish those who are not obedient.

It seems to me that such teachings stunt the development of our minds by teaching us to judge RATHER THAN to love and to UNDERSTAND; by searching for the ROOT CAUSES of things.


Here's a couple of posts from just such an individual to serve as a bit of proof for your thesis:

"IRON FIST-VELVET GLOVE"

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=204952&highlight=glove#post204952

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=96077#post96077

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Here's a couple of posts from just such an individual to serve as a bit of proof for your thesis:

"IRON FIST-VELVET GLOVE"

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=204952&highlight=glove#post204952

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=96077#post96077



kasalt, this subject is way out of your depth, better to stay in the shallow part of the pool.


mullet jesus, essential oils ;) lol

[kasalt]

Hi Lostinstrangeworld: Thanx for sharing your experience and the Bhudda story.

In answer to your above question, I do not think so. The reason is: At the core of many 'religions' are Doctrines of Self Discipline and Self Restraint. This is probably an angle Bhudda used on the Terrorist.

Myself, the 'School of Thought' I embrace; Yahwism, has taught and reinforced the above qualities, thus garnering much peace in my personal and social affairs. These are Tangible Benefits.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=459856&highlight=asshole#post459856

:rolleyes:

[amethyst]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=459856&highlight=asshole#post459856

I agree with the op that religion is man's attempt to try to put God the infinite one in a "box".

But what is the point you are trying to make kasalt?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=459856&highlight=asshole#post459856

:rolleyes:



hey kasalt, I'll stand behind every Post I have Posted. It all stands up in it's authentic and original context.

you're still mad because I sussed you as a phoney deceiver.

I don't start trouble, I finish it.

what you have never understood kasalt: it's all about the CONTEXT

[kasalt]

I agree with the op that religion is man's attempt to try to put God the infinite one in a "box".

But what is the point you are trying to make kasalt?

Simply that Snoopsnuff is a case in point with regard to the OP:
"On one hand they tell us that God is love, on the other hand they try to tell us that God punishes us and teaches people to punish those who are not obedient.

It seems to me that such teachings stunt the development of our minds by teaching us to judge RATHER THAN to love and to UNDERSTAND; by searching for the ROOT CAUSES of things"
Read that and then read Snuff's posts that I have linked. Plain as day, really.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

I agree with the op that religion is man's attempt to try to put God the infinite one in a "box".

But what is the point you are trying to make kasalt?


Hi Amytheist, this may give you insight into the Reptilian Mind(kasalts) and the deceptive manner it operates.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32537


very revealing.


Lost...: this will be my last entrance into your Thread but I would like to Clarify my Position to the shallow and superficial.

I distinguish my 3D Life from my interaction in the cyberverse.

When I speak of restraint and self-discipline in the 3D world, I am referring to my Day to Day interactions with the perceived reality. In the 3D world

When I partake of, and enjoy alcohol, I do not drink tto the point of inebriation, I stop at a pleasant buzz. When I drive my motor vehicle, I am courteous and obey the traffic laws.

My interactions with ALL Humans, Animals and Nature are honest and forthright.


you've got alot to learn kasalt. get busy.

I don't take shit from anonymous punks on the internet and they don't like that. right kasalt?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=452838&postcount=34 Kasalt

I am going to put you on ignore.

Yes, Snoops, I am going to put you on "ignore" because I think that any reasonable person would agree with me when I say that I have wasted far more of my valuable time responding to your nonsense than I ever should have.

So, you can respond to this post if you like, or don't respond. Either way I don't care because I won't be reading it.

man........that was a really sweet 5 minutes, how about a reprise kman? lol

[kasalt]

Most of the main religions, are, in my opinion, honey traps for MIND CONTROL.

On one hand they tell us that God is love, on the other hand they try to tell us that God punishes us and teaches people to punish those who are not obedient.

It seems to me that such teachings stunt the development of our minds by teaching us to judge RATHER THAN to love and to UNDERSTAND; by searching for the ROOT CAUSES of things.


In other words, religion causes some people to turn to "the dark side of the force", so to speak, and become this:


http://www.forumsextreme.com/imgs1/Funny_Pictures_Star-Wars_Lack_of_Faith.jpg


Which is the very mindset behind all of the religious strife in history...

[amethyst]

Simply that Snoopsnuff is a case in point with regard to the OP:
"On one hand they tell us that God is love, on the other hand they try to tell us that God punishes us and teaches people to punish those who are not obedient.

It seems to me that such teachings stunt the development of our minds by teaching us to judge RATHER THAN to love and to UNDERSTAND; by searching for the ROOT CAUSES of things"
Read that and then read Snuff's posts that I have linked. Plain as day, really.

Well, is 'the house of yaweh" verbatim all of snoops beliefs or does he look at them as just a tool?......I'm just asking because I know nothing about "the house of yahweh' but I don't think it's necessarily accurate to pigeon hole him into that whole group....snoops seems pretty open minded to me....no one can agree on everything

[amethyst]

In other words, religion causes some people to turn to "the dark side of the force", so to speak, and become this:


http://www.forumsextreme.com/imgs1/Funny_Pictures_Star-Wars_Lack_of_Faith.jpg


Which is the very mindset behind all of the religious strife in history...



I agree...."religion' without the breath of the Spirit is dead works.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Well, is 'the house of yaweh" verbatim all of snoops beliefs or does he look at them as just a tool?......I'm just asking because I know nothing about "the house of yahweh' but I don't think it's necessarily accurate to pigeon hole him into that whole group....snoops seems pretty open minded to me....no one can agree on everything



you nailed it amytheist, a Tool. never a member, never a desire to be a member. ask sparrow7. I use Dozens of sources. I am not a member of any group or congregation

the Founder and SOME of the HoY elders have behaved disgracefully and have brought disgrace upon themselves and their work. I think thats a damn shame as their scholarship was very good.

Kasalt has an agenda which I revealed in the Linked thread. He doesn't like the Bible. And he will utilise deceit to keep peeps off that particular path.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

In other words, religion causes some people to turn to "the dark side of the force", so to speak, and become this:


http://www.forumsextreme.com/imgs1/Funny_Pictures_Star-Wars_Lack_of_Faith.jpg


Which is the very mindset behind all of the religious strife in history...



I disagree. The root cause of difficulties in human relations is an Individuals Lust for Perceived Power over the Hearts and Minds and Resources of their fellow humans.

not neccessarily Religion, which may, or may not be used as a 'Vehicle', some individuals rely upon Brute Force, others are more 'Sly'.

Lostinastrangeworld: The Carnal 'pull' of the 'Flesh' must be restrained so that the Spiritual Nature of the Human may Flower. THIS is the Message of YHWH, which He gave to Yahshua to illustrate for us.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Do you believe in the death penalty?

[dedicate]

Is that all you have to say, lostinastrangeworld?

snoop,-- I wonder about a so-called progressive ministry that has no more opinion about Melchizedek than this:

"We find righteous genes in a man called Melchizedek. We do not know of whom he descended. There is no record of his descendants. We do have record of the fact that he was the great teacher of Abraham."

How is it that a group of people who teach the teachings have no knowledge beyond the written word of the Bible? Is man so seperate from the Universe that the only access to who/what/where are some ancient written word? I would question heavily any group that relies on the teachings of men and what is written in one book.

"I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world". --- Matthew 13:35

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Do you believe in the death penalty?

Hi Lostinstrangeworld.

I do not make assumptions but Forced Logic and Deductive Reasoning indicates to me this query is directed to me. I have just awoke and will service this query forthwith.


YES


But only in the most egregious case.


Example: Murderous Paedophiles.

Taking my 'Cue' from the Doctrines of YHWH and as personified by Yahshua I fully understand that the Death Penalties as enumerated in the Torah are suspended with the Advent of the Messiah about 2,000 years ago.

The Laws remain but the penalties are on hold.

So I would not administer the Death Penalty to Astrologers, Adulterers, Thieves, Homosexuals, those who murder Adults, etc.

Few people are aware Yahshua in one instance advocates Suicide. Yahshua advocates Suicide to those who would harm children, or the weak and defenseless. This is heavy.

Many of us agree we are Consciousness in a meat space suit. So executing a murderous paedophile is liberating their consciousness from their spacesuit. Not a big deal for me. I would execute them myself, at my own expense. Every adult of the affected society would witness the execution and I would make it perfectly clear that whoever 'acted out' in such a manner would receive the same penalty.

Their swift and sure execution would serve as a vivid warning to other members of society contemplating such horrific actions. No mercy whatsoever to murderous paedophiles.

Everybody else gets slack. For now.

I personaly do not believe in Karma and Reincarnation, I have studied these concepts in depth and do not agree.


This is why Self-Discipline and Self-Restraint IN THE 3D WORLD are vital to a peaceful Society.

Due to a single Individual, and then collective Individuals, lack of Self-Discipline and Self-Restraint IN THE 3D WORLD there are 3 Species Exterminating Issues challenging Humankind and ALL life on Earth.

1: Profligate use of Uranium Munitions

2: Prions

3: STDs

Myself, and a very few others have tried to broach these issues and have received scant interest from other Forum Members.

Each Issue is a death penalty for those who become afflicted by these 'creations'. They produce adverse conditions in the Host Spacesuit, destroying the health and peace of the Individual afflicted.

Lostinastrangeworld, I provided you with a link that distills YHWHs plan for us quite succinctly. Well worth a perusal.

I do not 'fear' consequences, yet I have the utmost 'respect' for consequences.

The world and societies we live in today are the result of indiscipline and unrestrained behaviour.

Yahshua perfectly illustrates for us a Disciplined and Restrained individual. Because YHWH was able to 'TRUST' Yahshua, Yahshua utilised 100% of His Brain/Mind Complex. YHWH knew Yahshua would not misuse this awesome power for self gain, or other puerile pursuits.

Which Illustrates for us the importance of the Anthropomorphic aspect of our current milieu. We are utilising a fraction of our potential. When peeps proclaimed Yahshua was performing Miracles or Magic, they did not realise that we all have this potential.

Stephen Hawkings agrees and understands the Human Mind is the Most Complex Object in the known Universe.

We, the Human Race, MUST begin exercising more Self-Restraint and Self-Discipline.

Then, the Death Penalty will not be neccessary.


No more shall man learn war :)



Kindest Regards: Snoops

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Is that all you have to say, lostinastrangeworld?

snoop,-- I wonder about a so-called progressive ministry that has no more opinion about Melchizedek than this:

"We find righteous genes in a man called Melchizedek. We do not know of whom he descended. There is no record of his descendants. We do have record of the fact that he was the great teacher of Abraham."

How is it that a group of people who teach the teachings have no knowledge beyond the written word of the Bible? Is man so seperate from the Universe that the only access to who/what/where are some ancient written word? I would question heavily any group that relies on the teachings of men and what is written in one book.

"I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world". --- Matthew 13:35


Cordial Felicitations, Dedicate:

One of my favourite subjects; King Melchizedek.

Only 12 citations of the King in the Book but an extremely profound 'concept'.

The Teacher of Abraham, a Servant of YHWH. He Taught Abraham the ways of YHWH and received Tithes from Abraham.

This helps to illustrate aspects of YHWHs plan. First Individuals are instructed, then a Group, and with the Advent of Yahshua ALL humans. Recall Moses was instructed by his Father in Law about YHWH, I believe they were the Midians? A small Tribe that was apparently aware of YHWH.

The overarching point of this similitude is to illustrate YHWH promotes Meritocracy. It is not who you are, but what you do.

When Mosheh finally died it was not his son who became the leader of the Tribes, rather Yahshua ben Nun. Due to the MERIT of Yahshua ben Nuns actions. Because one man or women has Righteous Genes does not mean their children or spouse will.

Righteousness is absolutely Biblicaly defined as: One who keeps the Laws of YHWH.

Biblically, if one is not keeping the Laws of YHWH, they are not Righteous.

Sin; is absolutely Biblically defined as transgressing the Laws of YHWH.

It is ultimately a very simple Book and Doctrines.

Tree of Life: YHWHs Laws. Result-Eternal Life

Tree of the Knowledge of Righteousness and Evil: Transgressions of the Laws resulting in the death of the body, and unless repentant, death of the Soul.

YHWH and Yahshua are attempting to teach us how to live in our meat spacesuits, with love and respect for oueselves and ALL those around us.

I will reactivate the Book of YHWH Thread as I have more information about King Melchizedek and YHWH.

Great subject dedicate.


Kind Regards: Snoops

[kasalt]

Lost...: this will be my last entrance into your Thread

You said that 5 posts ago. :rolleyes:

[lostinstrangeworld]

Is that all you have to say, lostinastrangeworld?


Well, you see....I feel (in my heart) that all evil is caused by an amnesia of our true nature- unity with all of life (love).

I feel that all forms of consciousness are part of the divine....are "sparks of the divine".


I feel that any being who has acted in a negative way, harming others, can transform itself if it was enabled, once more, to see through the veil of the matrix and to remember it's true nature....our true source......which is unity with all/ love.


Therefore, it makes no sense to me that the true God/ Creator would be the angry, wrathful God described in the Bible, the Torah, and the Quran.

God is LOVE;
all-that-is.

This is the God I believe in.

I'm only expressing what I believe, I'm not telling others what they should believe.
I thought it would be interesting to get some feedback on this, as I feel we can all learn from each other.

I understand this is a sensitive subject, and I have noticed the sarcasm toward me from a few people here, but you don't know me so I shan't take it personally! :) ;)

[dedicate]

Lostinastrangeworld-- God is also justice. Is He not? I believe that in order for there to be justice on Earth, death is a penalty. Then, in order for society to survive, also, death must be the penalty in certain cases.-- Concept of justice aside. Death penalty OK for justice and just for survival.

Your idea of God sounds impersonal. That is OK. I worship the impersonal God. But I worship the personal God too/ braman unmanifest and braman manifest.

Let me give you an example of how God might get angry with people. A nation such as this goes to another nation, and announces that they are Christian and have God's mandate. In fact God did bless this nation and gave them all that He had. But, they proceed to drop bombs on little children, steal a bunch of stuff and pretty much destroy a culture. The whole time the people on the shit end of the stick are told how Godly their oppressors are and how they might want to worship that God too.

Now would you say, God does not care about this nation dirtying up HIS GOOD NAME? That God would not want to take things in hand and show this people who really is in charge, and show the world that His anger can be stayed only so long and he will judge fiercely even his most loved people. Even them will he destroy if he has to.


God is impersonal-- couldn't care less about what we do or what goes on... like the stars or the ocean or some natural law.

AND God is personal.. like a good parent or good king.

Two sides to every coin (the coin is the one -- and no matter how you look at it.. both sides give the same value). So even from your impersonal view, the law of Karma and Consequence will eventually kick in, meaning you get what you sow. So really it doesn't matter if you see God the way you do,, it's just not the only way of seeing HIM> or creation.

[amethyst]

Cordial Felicitations, Dedicate:

One of my favourite subjects; King Melchizedek.

Only 12 citations of the King in the Book but an extremely profound 'concept'.

The Teacher of Abraham, a Servant of YHWH. He Taught Abraham the ways of YHWH and received Tithes from Abraham.

This helps to illustrate aspects of YHWHs plan. First Individuals are instructed, then a Group, and with the Advent of Yahshua ALL humans. Recall Moses was instructed by his Father in Law about YHWH, I believe they were the Midians? A small Tribe that was apparently aware of YHWH.

The overarching point of this similitude is to illustrate YHWH promotes Meritocracy. It is not who you are, but what you do.

When Mosheh finally died it was not his son who became the leader of the Tribes, rather Yahshua ben Nun. Due to the MERIT of Yahshua ben Nuns actions. Because one man or women has Righteous Genes does not mean their children or spouse will.

Righteousness is absolutely Biblicaly defined as: One who keeps the Laws of YHWH.

Biblically, if one is not keeping the Laws of YHWH, they are not Righteous.

Sin; is absolutely Biblically defined as transgressing the Laws of YHWH.

It is ultimately a very simple Book and Doctrines.

Tree of Life: YHWHs Laws. Result-Eternal Life

Tree of the Knowledge of Righteousness and Evil: Transgressions of the Laws resulting in the death of the body, and unless repentant, death of the Soul.

YHWH and Yahshua are attempting to teach us how to live in our meat spacesuits, with love and respect for oueselves and ALL those around us.

I will reactivate the Book of YHWH Thread as I have more information about King Melchizedek and YHWH.

Great subject dedicate.


Kind Regards: Snoops

Hey snoops, wasn't Melchizedek "Christ", at that dispensation of time, before He incarnated into Yahshua (more commonly known as Jesus Christ) some years later? I have read this. That's why Abraham paid Him honor at that time.

Because Christ was before even the foundations of the world were laid (I believe) as the scriptures accurately conclude in this instance. At least they got that part right.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Hey snoops, wasn't Melchizedek "Christ", at that dispensation of time, before He incarnated into Yahshua (more commonly known as Jesus Christ) some years later? I have read this. That's why Abraham paid Him honor at that time.

Because Christ was before even the foundations of the world were laid (I believe) as the scriptures accurately conclude in this instance. At least they got that part right.

Most Cordial Felicitations; Amytheist:

IMO; No. I do not, at this time, agree with the Pre-Existant Yahshua.

The Spirit Holy is a 'Force'. And this will 'tie-in' to Lostinastrangeworlds contemplations. When one, for whatever reason or circumstance, decides to 'Follow' the Path of YHWH, as personified by Yahshua Messiah. And they are (1) Properly Baptised. or (2) Father Yahweh 'puts' the Spirit Holy into you, it is said that is the point your DNA 'activates' and you begin to 'Morph', 'Change'.

As the contingency of the Original Covanent for the Land and the People. The Recipient of the Spirit Holy MUST be makeing an Honest & Sincere effort to Obey the Every Word of Yahweh. The Laws and the Prophecies.

It is said the Spirit Holy will not remain tn a person that is not sincere.

'Narrow is the Gate and straight is the Path'

Bereshith(in the Beginning) YHWH annointed Abel as His First Righteous Priest, Abel established the original House of YHWH in Ibbelin. The Great Stone of Abel, mentioned in Chronicles/Kings and elsewhere. It is where the Philistine Milk Cows(?), unassisted by humans, returned the Ark, that they had captured.

It is said this is where Abel established the Priesthood. Keep in mind; this is HaSatans world at this time. And I believe this Priesthood has been protected to this day.

Moses was informed by his Father-in-Law.

So YHWH worked with individuals, then a Group, and now, everyone.

King Melchizedek translates to King of Peace. The King of Yerusalem, 'City of Peace'.

I need to review my Melchizedek materiel, but certainly one of the most interesting lads in Scripture, and I believe only 12 Citations.

Back later!

Most Kind Regards: Baron Von Snoopsnuffleopagus

[amethyst]

Most Cordial Felicitations; Amytheist:

IMO; No. I do not, at this time, agree with the Pre-Existant Yahshua.

The Spirit Holy is a 'Force'. And this will 'tie-in' to Lostinastrangeworlds contemplations. When one, for whatever reason or circumstance, decides to 'Follow' the Path of YHWH, as personified by Yahshua Messiah. And they are (1) Properly Baptised. or (2) Father Yahweh 'puts' the Spirit Holy into you, it is said that is the point your DNA 'activates' and you begin to 'Morph', 'Change'.

As the contingency of the Original Covanent for the Land and the People. The Recipient of the Spirit Holy MUST be makeing an Honest & Sincere effort to Obey the Every Word of Yahweh. The Laws and the Prophecies.

It is said the Spirit Holy will not remain tn a person that is not sincere.

'Narrow is the Gate and straight is the Path'

Bereshith(in the Beginning) YHWH annointed Abel as His First Righteous Priest, Abel established the original House of YHWH in Ibbelin. The Great Stone of Abel, mentioned in Chronicles/Kings and elsewhere. It is where the Philistine Milk Cows(?), unassisted by humans, returned the Ark, that they had captured.

It is said this is where Abel established the Priesthood. Keep in mind; this is HaSatans world at this time. And I believe this Priesthood has been protected to this day.

Moses was informed by his Father-in-Law.

So YHWH worked with individuals, then a Group, and now, everyone.

King Melchizedek translates to King of Peace. The King of Yerusalem, 'City of Peace'.

I need to review my Melchizedek materiel, but certainly one of the most interesting lads in Scripture, and I believe only 12 Citations.

Back later!

Most Kind Regards: Baron Von Snoopsnuffleopagus

Thanks for your reply Sir Snoops. I am still meditating on this, as another book I am reading, contradicts Yahshua as Melchizedek. My literature was suggesting that Melchizedek was one of the annunaki nephilim beings.

So I am going to have to do some more meditating/studies on it. But in regards to the subject of the "Spirit" you mentioned, one thing I have found that is interesting, is the Spirit "Holy " (as you say), is discussed in the Old testament-as King David wrote about the Holy Spirit in the Psalms for instance.

[thelucifer]

Well, you see....I feel (in my heart) that all evil is caused by an amnesia of our true nature- unity with all of life (love).

I feel that all forms of consciousness are part of the divine....are "sparks of the divine".


I feel that any being who has acted in a negative way, harming others, can transform itself if it was enabled, once more, to see through the veil of the matrix and to remember it's true nature....our true source......which is unity with all/ love.


Therefore, it makes no sense to me that the true God/ Creator would be the angry, wrathful God described in the Bible, the Torah, and the Quran.

God is LOVE;
all-that-is.

This is the God I believe in.

I'm only expressing what I believe, I'm not telling others what they should believe.
I thought it would be interesting to get some feedback on this, as I feel we can all learn from each other.

I understand this is a sensitive subject, and I have noticed the sarcasm toward me from a few people here, but you don't know me so I shan't take it personally! :) ;)

Lost, I can agree and relate in many ways with what you write/say, and where we might part in difference is only on one hand while holding together with the other.

One example of difference is, you say GOD is love, whereas I say GOD created love, and good.
I very much agree it is an absurdity that GOD gets angry etc.




I say/think there is a second god (who was created by GOD) and that this God is the creator of this world/creation and is the creator of bad, and is the one that gets angry and hates etc etc.

[lostinstrangeworld]

I say/think there is a second god (who was created by GOD) and that this God is the creator of this world/creation and is the creator of bad, and is the one that gets angry and hates etc etc.

Lucifer? :D

Or is Lucifer really the 'good guy'/ girl? :confused:

[thelucifer]

Lucifer? :D

Or is Lucifer really the 'good guy'/ girl? :confused:

Good guy ?
Yes. :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

Good guy ?
Yes. :)

Could you expand on that?

And how can you tell if he/ she is real, and not just some illusion that we as the human race make believe?

[thelucifer]

Could you expand on that?

In the Bible Jesus is Lucifer (the bright and morning star).
Ancient Rome was the Satan of that time.
Lucifer/Jesus and Satan are in opposition, hence Lucifer is the good guy and Satan is the bad guy.
Rome/Satan/the bad guy crucified the good guy, as the story goes.

And how can you tell if he/ she is real, and not just some illusion that we as the human race make believe?

That is a good question.
Let me consider how to answer that one.
I can answer it, for me the question is, how should I answer it.

Its like King Arthur being the "once and future" King.
Once symbolically, future literally.

Ancient Rome was real and so is the Revived Roman Empire.
The ancient Rome/Satan and Jesus story was a type for the real deal "end times" event, today.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Then why are so many sources claiming that those responsible for sacrificing and torturing children are Luciferian?

[thelucifer]

Then why are so many sources claiming that those responsible for sacrificing and torturing children are Luciferian?


Because they dont understand (or care) that Jerome mistranslated the word "heylel" in Isaiah 14 as Lucifer.


I did a post about this in the Jesus/Lucifer? thread.
Post #127
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37760&page=13

[dedicate]

Genesis 3:5; ” For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.".. It seems to me that Lucifer had something to do with this. And I would not say that this is a bad thing, but good and bad.. a blessing and a hardship.

If you understand Alchemy then you understand what is implied here.-- the awakening, the light etc.. and how that might be painful and dangerous.

A lot of people pay homage to Lucifer, such as an insipent gambler or sex addict. This is a dangerous play. Lucifer, it seems to me, should be held at bay and not given much account. Much like Fire.

Why Jesus called himself the Morning Star and Lightbearer, at the ascension I'm not exactly sure. But is not the Morning Star,, lightbearer etcc... words for the planet Mercury which in turn is ruler of MIND? The mind is activated by fire or the Lucifer spirit. That would bring us back to Gen.3:5 when the outside world was first "seen" or "known" when possibly man lost some of his spiritual sight in return for material evolution. That was a long long time ago.

It seems to me that this Lucifer is the Fire spirit,, but not exactly like the fire we see, though the fire we see is a good symbol/reality of what is indicated here. When the mind becomes firey and burning with desires -- this is Lucifer activation. It is dangerous if given free reign. One should never leave a fire unattended for example. Also, sometimes you think you are starting a small fire and soon it grows out of control.. Even Firemen believe that Fire has an actual life all it's own. == like a spirit. This would explain why it is said some people worship Lucifer,-- he brings change and activates the mind, possible even esoteric kundalini play.

this Lucifer activation in our consciousness may also be the origin of the Legend of primitive man discovering fire.

[kasalt]

But is not the Morning Star,, lightbearer etcc... words for the planet Mercury which in turn is ruler of MIND?

I believe that's Venus you're referring to, not Mercury:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus#Historic_understanding

[dedicate]

No No. Venus and Mercury are both known as Morning stars, due to their placements between us and the Sun. But only Mercury is known as the lightbearer.

[kasalt]

No No. Venus and Mercury are both known as Morning stars, due to their placements between us and the Sun. But only Mercury is known as the lightbearer.

Good God! You seem to be right about that! I always was under the impression that Venus alone played that part!

[dedicate]

Genesis 3:5; ” For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.".. It seems to me that Lucifer had something to do with this. And I would not say that this is a bad thing, but good and bad.. a blessing and a hardship.

If you understand Alchemy then you understand what is implied here.-- the awakening, the light etc.. and how that might be painful and dangerous.

A lot of people pay homage to Lucifer, such as an insipent gambler or sex addict. This is a dangerous play. Lucifer, it seems to me, should be held at bay and not given much account. Much like Fire.

Why Jesus called himself the Morning Star and Lightbearer, at the ascension I'm not exactly sure. But is not the Morning Star,, lightbearer etcc... words for the planet Mercury which in turn is ruler of MIND? The mind is activated by fire or the Lucifer spirit. That would bring us back to Gen.3:5 when the outside world was first "seen" or "known" when possibly man lost some of his spiritual sight in return for material evolution. That was a long long time ago.

It seems to me that this Lucifer is the Fire spirit,, but not exactly like the fire we see, though the fire we see is a good symbol/reality of what is indicated here. When the mind becomes firey and burning with desires -- this is Lucifer activation. It is dangerous if given free reign. One should never leave a fire unattended for example. Also, sometimes you think you are starting a small fire and soon it grows out of control.. Even Firemen believe that Fire has an actual life all it's own. == like a spirit. This would explain why it is said some people worship Lucifer,-- he brings change and activates the mind, possible even esoteric kundalini play.

this Lucifer activation in our consciousness may also be the origin of the Legend of primitive man discovering fire.


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This Melchizedek as the Christ is typical Christian Fundamentalism of juggling the facts around to fit their theories. It would seem to me a better aproach to look at what those theories are.

The Mormons told me that Melchizedek was Christ too. This is so off base. Melchezidik prooves that there is no real origin of this Christian religion.. it is eternal. Melchizedek prooves there is a lineage, and religions are passed on from one generation to the next by the initiated ONLY. Melchizedek was the holder of the eternal secrets and he passed these on to Abraham, mystically. Abraham then passed these teachings on to -- Joseph was it? and on and on. These are not fundamental Christian views. This is way beyond their understanding -- even these basic things. So sad. The only way for them to get out of their ignorance is to pray for wisdom, the next initiation and not to fail. Only way.

One must pass the test, otherwise most of what I am speaking about will not be understood. IE.. i see that lostinastrangeworld has no idea what I'm talking about and is rightfully holding back from calling me "Man with crazy ideas" He is like a thirteenth century man seeing a jumbo jet, it so far beyond his comprehension. And it's not because he is dumb or stupid, it is because he has not been "initiated". Most Christians today are lacking even the most basic initiations,, such as "pure" baptism or transfiguration (initiation I believe is what David Icke is currently going through.. his experience on the Puruvian Burial Ground being another) These initiations bring us to new dimensions of understanding.

[kasalt]

Venus, or Lucifer (also Sukra and Usanas) the planet, is the light-bearer of our Earth, in both its physical and mystic sense. The Christians knew it well in early times, since one of the earliest popes of Rome is known by his Pontiff name as Lucifer. --Secret Doctrine, Vol. II, H.P. Blavatsky.

Lucifer, or Luciferus, is the name of the angelic Entity presiding over the light of truth as over the light of the day. In the great Valentinian gospel Pistis Sophia it is taught that of the three Powers emanating from the Holy names of the Three [[Tridunameis]], that of Sophia (the Holy Ghost according to these gnostics -- the most cultured of all), resides in the planet Venus or Lucifer. --Secret Doctrine, Vol. I, H.P. Blavatsky.

The name "Lucifer" comes from the Latin words, Lux or Lucis (light) and ferre (to bring); thus Lucifer literally means "light-bearer". It is linked with the planet Venus in Revelations XXII: 16 when Christ says "I am the bright morning star", which is Venus, heralding the coming into full light of the Sun—the Son, the Christ. Interestingly the role of "light-bearer" is linked with Mercury, or Hermes—the divine messenger for the Gods in Greek and Roman mythology. In Christianity Mercury’s function is served by St. Michael, "the Angel Guardian" of Christ, according to St. Thomas. The esoteric interrelationship of this Angel Guardian and Christ is further illumined in the statement by the Tibetan teacher with whom Alice Bailey collaborated to write a series of books on the Ageless Wisdom, that "Mercury and the Sun are one". http://www.lucistrust.org/en/arcane_school/talks_and_articles/descent_and_sacrifice

As Mercury is Lightbearer of the physical Sun, so Neptune is Lightbearer for the spiritual Sun, (called Vulcan by the Western Mystics). Intellectuality, ruled by Mercury lifted us above the animal and made man, man; the Spirituality ruled by Neptune will in time raise us beyond the state of the human and make us divine. http://www.strangehouse.com/planets/neptune-9.html

Mercury as Nov-Dec Morning Star
http://cs.astronomy.com/asycs/forums/p/21594/314872.aspx

[dedicate]

Well there you have it. Lucifer has something to do with a planetary spirit, and awakening humanity to the light.

It is the last and most recent quote,-- As Mercury is Lightbearer of the physical Sun, so Neptune is Lightbearer for the spiritual Sun, (called Vulcan by the Western Mystics). Intellectuality, ruled by Mercury lifted us above the animal and made man, man; the Spirituality ruled by Neptune will in time raise us beyond the state of the human and make us divine. -- that I find most accurate.

Blavatsky and Bailey get bad press, and I feel are not properly appreciated for the work they did.

[marpat]

Most of the main religions, are, in my opinion, honey traps for MIND CONTROL.

On one hand they tell us that God is love, on the other hand they try to tell us that God punishes us and teaches people to punish those who are not obedient.

It seems to me that such teachings stunt the development of our minds by teaching us to judge RATHER THAN to love and to UNDERSTAND; by searching for the ROOT CAUSES of things.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=579325&postcount=152
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=579325#post579325

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Christ_Conspiracy/message/8412

I thought part of the idea of religion was not to judge others!!!!!!!!

Religion is what people make of it. Some get a lot of good out of it and for some it is a cause of unhappy repression. It all depends on the context it is put into, whether people accept is as choice or are forced into it, etc. To say it is all some mind control device then try to establish that with some really lame ideas is bogus. Nothing in the world is perfect and that includes religion. There are many people in the world who live by religious codes and have good, balanced, happy lives.

[amethyst]

I thought part of the idea of religion was not to judge others!!!!!!!!

Religion is what people make of it. Some get a lot of good out of it and for some it is a cause of unhappy repression. It all depends on the context it is put into, whether people accept is as choice or are forced into it, etc. To say it is all some mind control device then try to establish that with some really lame ideas is bogus. Nothing in the world is perfect and that includes religion. There are many people in the world who live by religious codes and have good, balanced, happy lives.

That's true. There are always those who look past the man made trappings of "religion' to get to the heart essence of what a relationship with God, the Creator, the Supreme One is all about. They understand that "religion' is not necessary, that it was just a "vehicle' pointing them towards a higher goal. But "religion" is not the higher goal itself.

"Religion" is but a pale shadow of the greatness of God which really cannot be contained or completely comprehended.

[marpat]

That's true. There are always those who look past the man made trappings of "religion' to get to the heart essence of what a relationship with God, the Creator, the Supreme One is all about. They understand that "religion' is not necessary, that it was just a "vehicle' pointing them towards a higher goal. But "religion" is not the higher goal itself.

"Religion" is but a pale shadow of the greatness of God which really cannot be contained or completely comprehended.


Exactly, the path is not the same as the goal. I guess the problem for some is that they believe the path is everything rather than reaching the end of it.

[amethyst]

Exactly, the path is not the same as the goal. I guess the problem for some is that they believe the path is everything rather than reaching the end of it.

I agree. It's just a guidepost, so to speak.