Religion Has One Purpose

[zen_fox]

To control you. This covers the area of the new religion which has taken the name of spirituality. From Zen Buddhism, Christianity, and New Age spirituality, it is all designed to control individuals. Look at the thought police that have shown up all over the internet now. The positive thinking gestapo are trying to control your minds and thoughts. Don't let them.

You need no religion or group or teachers. There is no heaven or hell. There is no good or evil. There is no success or failure. These are all constructs of the matrix control grid. They are formations of the mind, yours and someone else's.

You don't need to meditate or think positively. I liberate you from all of that. You don't need to marry or have children. You don't need to get a job or make money or be the most popular kid in school. You are free of karma. You are free of love. You are free of anything which binds you. You are free of destiny, synchronicity , and the law of attraction. You are free of striving and attempting. You are free of the expectations of others.

[planetsadhana]

freedom is bliss:)

[size_of_light]

We're free to ignore your post.

[zen_fox]

We're free to ignore your post.

This made me chuckle.

[Anders Lindman]

The religions have great value but no doubt they are also traps or at least too narrow belief systems or worse mind-control tools for herding the masses. Christianity is my favorite religion at the moment. The Bible contains many interesting parables. But my religious belief is that the universe is a self-improving 'computer program'. Obviously not an actual computer program, but a creation process working on similar principles. Life and evolution are not mere 'accidents'.

[middleway00]

what purpose?

[haukipesukone]

Happiness is slavery

[oppono astos]

To control you. This covers the area of the new religion which has taken the name of spirituality. From Zen Buddhism, Christianity, and New Age spirituality, it is all designed to control individuals. Look at the thought police that have shown up all over the internet now. The positive thinking gestapo are trying to control your minds and thoughts. Don't let them.

You need no religion or group or teachers. There is no heaven or hell. There is no good or evil. There is no success or failure. These are all constructs of the matrix control grid..

Oh damm, we were doing so well. We can do without all those concepts:Religion; teachers; heaven; hell; good; evil; success; failure, but it appears after all that there is a...

"MATRIX CONTROL GRID"

Don't you just hate it when that happens!

[vladmir]

whoa dude, slow down........!!!!
Information overload here man.....!
"no good, no evil, no success no failure"....?!
"free from love, free from karma"??!!

[drael]

Someone get him a soapbox.:rolleyes:

[zero1]

Thing is, though - when you actually look at it, religion doesn't do such a great job of "controlling individuals", does it? No. I mean, human behaviour is more or less predicated on survival and the satiation of desire regardless of what moral theology or religious philosophy abounds dominant. People still fuck like animals, eat like pigs, ignore reality and embrace many lies regardless of whether Catholic, Protestant, Muslim or whatever. They still behave in lowly ways en masse. Religion doesn't control individuals, it gives them the illusion that they can be controlled - there's a difference.

[middleway00]

Thing is, though - when you actually look at it, religion doesn't do such a great job of "controlling individuals", does it? No. I mean, human behaviour is more or less predicated on survival and the satiation of desire regardless of what moral theology or religious philosophy abounds dominant. People still fuck like animals, eat like pigs, ignore reality and embrace many lies regardless of whether Catholic, Protestant, Muslim or whatever. They still behave in lowly ways en masse. Religion doesn't control individuals, it gives them the illusion that they can be controlled - there's a difference.

The illusion is control itself.

Reality is freedom itself.

Dur.:p

[knightofthegrail]

You are free of destiny,

*sigh*

Hopefully, one day, people will realise that:

1, "Religion" is not a monolithic thing (there is a difference between the religiousity of law/temporal/secular/worldly and the religiousity of love/eternals/spirital/godly

and 2) Destiny is how the universe works

[zen_fox]

Why be good? So we don't go to hell. Or so we can get in to heaven. Creations of the mind, in particular, a mind of a controlling individual.

There is no score keeper. There is no judgement.

If you want these things you may have them. You cannot, however, have these things and be free.

[knightofthegrail]

Why be good?

Good? Evil? The distinction is born of the "Error of Eden"; the lie that the human perspective can see what is either - only the Gods-eye-view can know.....and what God told us was "all is Good" and "Judge not" :)

[armoured_amazon]

To control you. This covers the area of the new religion which has taken the name of spirituality. From Zen Buddhism, Christianity, and New Age spirituality, it is all designed to control individuals. Look at the thought police that have shown up all over the internet now. The positive thinking gestapo are trying to control your minds and thoughts. Don't let them.

You need no religion or group or teachers. There is no heaven or hell. There is no good or evil. There is no success or failure. These are all constructs of the matrix control grid. They are formations of the mind, yours and someone else's.

You don't need to meditate or think positively. I liberate you from all of that. You don't need to marry or have children. You don't need to get a job or make money or be the most popular kid in school. You are free of karma. You are free of love. You are free of anything which binds you. You are free of destiny, synchronicity , and the law of attraction. You are free of striving and attempting. You are free of the expectations of others.

That came straight from the mouth of tptb.

[zen_fox]

That came straight from the mouth of tptb.

I wish I had power, but I don't. I have little power.

[luke1721]

Interesting OP I don't believe we are free, in the sense we have no Freewill. Did we chose to be born and do we chose to die, most people will say of course not. So what makes anyone think they can make choices in between life and death. It seems to be all predetermined which is why I think lol that it will all turn out ok in the end.

[size_of_light]

Why be good? So we don't go to hell. Or so we can get in to heaven. Creations of the mind, in particular, a mind of a controlling individual.

There is no score keeper. There is no judgement.

If you want these things you may have them. You cannot, however, have these things and be free.

It feels good to be good, no? And when you look back on the times when you've been good, that memory gives you a sense of integrity and wellbeing.

And when you do something you know is bad, when you look back on it later, that dark, secret remorse continues to fester, no?

Examine yourself and your life to date and tell me if you come to different conclusions.

Spirituality is only profound common sense.

You can argue for hours with someone who's telling you that holding your hand down on a hotplate is not in your best interests, and bring into question their authority over you or suspect their motives and get into complex philosophical arguments on the nature of reality as your arm is slowly being reduced to an agonizingly charred stump...or you can take your hand off the hotplate the moment you use your common sense and see their point.

The potential to go in a positive or a negative way is similar and innate.

No one judges you when you die except yourself.

Don't put yourself in a position where at that moment your last thought will be "why did I deceive myself?"

The answer will be "because I didn't love myself enough to take care of the basics."

Understanding the importance of acting with a positive motivation is a kindergarten basic, and something that it's assumed you know, accept and seek to do, before delving into Zen.

[romas]

Well I agree about religion in its dogmatic form is all about controll and profit from feeble minded, but I wouldn't be so fast labeling everything as "religious" or "New Age" in fact there is nothing new about this "New Age" it only seems new if you've been stuck in christianity all your life and you just snapped out.

Although zen_fox has a philosophical point, he sort of renders living pointless ;)
We are just bags for genetic code to evolve itself through our irelevant thoughts and actions nothing is relevant, weee!

[spectruma]

The talent we ascribe to religion as "controlling people" should be extended to political movements such as feminism, communism, environmentalism. The beliefs found in those ideologies are every bit as absolute and controlling as those found in mainstream religions.

[ichi wa zen]

We're free to ignore your post.

Definitely. This openingpost is complete garbage. Zen Fox is an undercover New Age Guru.

Zen Fox, please stop using Zen in your name and change it to Demon Lover Fox or Evil Fox or Bad Fox or Illuminati Agent Fox.

[zen_fox]

Definitely. This openingpost is complete garbage. Zen Fox is an undercover New Age Guru.

Zen Fox, please stop using Zen in your name and change it to Demon Lover Fox or Evil Fox or Bad Fox or Illuminati Agent Fox.

Shut up Ichi. You are a fool who doesn't know zen. You're a religious fundamentalist for Zen buddhism and think you own it. You don't have a clue. You're just another person trying to bash the people who don't think like you over the head. You fail. You're also paranoid and prove it by trying to make the claim I'm some illuminati infiltrator because you don't like what I say. Typical fundamentalist garbage. Go hang out with all the other religious nutcases.

[itsallundercontrol]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3lfFOa1OlcY

[onewave]

Ahh religion,

We don't need it, we don't need to talk about it.

[luten2012]

To control you. This covers the area of the new religion which has taken the name of spirituality. From Zen Buddhism, Christianity, and New Age spirituality, it is all designed to control individuals. Look at the thought police that have shown up all over the internet now. The positive thinking gestapo are trying to control your minds and thoughts. Don't let them.

You need no religion or group or teachers. There is no heaven or hell. There is no good or evil. There is no success or failure. These are all constructs of the matrix control grid. They are formations of the mind, yours and someone else's.

You don't need to meditate or think positively. I liberate you from all of that. You don't need to marry or have children. You don't need to get a job or make money or be the most popular kid in school. You are free of karma. You are free of love. You are free of anything which binds you. You are free of destiny, synchronicity , and the law of attraction. You are free of striving and attempting. You are free of the expectations of others.

Ahmen Brother! :D

[bigus_dickus]

To control you. This covers the area of the new religion which has taken the name of spirituality. From Zen Buddhism, Christianity, and New Age spirituality, it is all designed to control individuals. Look at the thought police that have shown up all over the internet now. The positive thinking gestapo are trying to control your minds and thoughts. Don't let them.

how are they trying to control me, my mind and my thoughts? and why?

[gorana]

We're free to ignore your post.

By posting yourself, you did not ignore it. Are you in politics? You did opposite from what you said :)

G.

[drhemp]

Religion is mind control hogwash. The NWO use it for their own ends to further enslave humanity. Please get out of the bubble of delusion, and see this. Outside of the religious bubble of delusion it's even clearly obvious that it's all a load of rubbish.

[size_of_light]

By posting yourself, you did not ignore it. Are you in politics? You did opposite from what you said :)

G.

I have the hots for your avatar and you, by the way :o

[titurel]

God is not religion. Religion is Babylon the Great.

[bigus_dickus]

Religion is mind control hogwash.

ok, tell me something that isn't "mind control hogwash".

[titurel]

The biggest religion in the world now is the religion of money and golden calf of capitalism.

[drhemp]

ok, tell me something that isn't "mind control hogwash".

non-religion

the truth

the lyrics to Helter Skelter????

[titurel]

non-religion

the truth

the lyrics to Helter Skelter????
Too simplistic and shallow.

[spiritist]

To control you. This covers the area of the new religion which has taken the name of spirituality. From Zen Buddhism, Christianity, and New Age spirituality, it is all designed to control individuals. Look at the thought police that have shown up all over the internet now. The positive thinking gestapo are trying to control your minds and thoughts. Don't let them.

You need no religion or group or teachers. There is no heaven or hell. There is no good or evil. There is no success or failure. These are all constructs of the matrix control grid. They are formations of the mind, yours and someone else's.

You don't need to meditate or think positively. I liberate you from all of that. You don't need to marry or have children. You don't need to get a job or make money or be the most popular kid in school. You are free of karma. You are free of love. You are free of anything which binds you. You are free of destiny, synchronicity , and the law of attraction. You are free of striving and attempting. You are free of the expectations of others.

Agree with most of the beginning ZF but tell me, how can I be free from physical pain, and please dont say pass on!!

[bigus_dickus]

non-religion

that's a non-word :D

the truth

yeah, most likely the truth isn't mind control hogwash. that's because the truth is silence.

the lyrics to Helter Skelter????

i prefer those guys
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heltah_Skeltah

[titurel]

yeah, most likely the truth isn't mind control hogwash. that's because the truth is silence.
If truth is silence, why have you broken the silence with your words?

[drhemp]

non-religion

that's a non-word :D
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It is now, I just made it it up.

[romas]

The talent we ascribe to religion as "controlling people" should be extended to political movements such as feminism, communism, environmentalism. The beliefs found in those ideologies are every bit as absolute and controlling as those found in mainstream religions.


You forgot to add capitalism, corporatism, shovinism, pedophilia, rituals etc ;)

[romas]

how are they trying to control me, my mind and my thoughts? and why?



God can see you lust your neighbours wife! God can read your mind and for that he'll send you to eternal pain! Unless you pay us and then we can hold mass in your name!

[bigus_dickus]

If truth is silence, why have you broken the silence with your words?

i like making noise.

[bigus_dickus]

It is now, I just made it it up.

sure mate.

you are a non apple, a non banana, a non dog and a non tree.

it's teh truth

[bigus_dickus]

God can see you lust your neighbours wife! God can read your mind and for that he'll send you to eternal pain! Unless you pay us and then we can hold mass in your name!

well, i asked God about it and he winked.

[titurel]

i like making noise.
That's obvious.

[bigus_dickus]

That's obvious.

;)

[titurel]

;)
:rolleyes:

[major seven]

Hi Zen Fox
So what school of Zen do you belong to that says you "don't need to meditate or think positively"
The very word "ZEN" means to meditate.
If your not meditating, then your not zenning.

You say we don't need a job or make money.
Zen Master Baizang(720-814) said "A day without work is a day without food"

Just a hunch mind you, but I suspect you are very young, live at home and have way too much time on your hands.
Maybe try to get a job.
How something simple like mopping floors. That way you can meditate at the same time. If you get good at it, time will fly and it will be time to clock out for the day and then you can go eat and spend the rest of the day doing even more meditation.
You don't think there is no good or evil? or a heaven or a hell?
Test your theory.
Rob a bank and see who you get for a meditation partner while you are in jail.

Frank

[oiram]

Thing is, though - when you actually look at it, religion doesn't do such a great job of "controlling individuals", does it? No. I mean, human behaviour is more or less predicated on survival and the satiation of desire regardless of what moral theology or religious philosophy abounds dominant.
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[zen_fox]

Hi Zen Fox
So what school of Zen do you belong to that says you "don't need to meditate or think positively"
The very word "ZEN" means to meditate.
If your not meditating, then your not zenning.


None. I'm not zen. It's just a name. A formation of letters which other people seem to like to judge me with, all the while stating their non-judgmental or petty. What could be more petty than basing an entire opinion on someone's avatar. People say, "Lol you're not zen." Because they can't find anything else to say. They feel the need to insult me and cling to whatever is close at hand, in this case zen. "Look, he has zen in his name so now he must act the way I think zen." I'm sure if it weren't zen it would be something.


You say we don't need a job or make money.
Zen Master Baizang(720-814) said "A day without work is a day without food"

Yes, I've heard that quote before. Too bad I'm not zen and it has no place in my life. One doesn't need a job. Is work and a job coexistent in your world?

Just a hunch mind you, but I suspect you are very young, live at home and have way too much time on your hands.
Maybe try to get a job.
How something simple like mopping floors. That way you can meditate at the same time. If you get good at it, time will fly and it will be time to clock out for the day and then you can go eat and spend the rest of the day doing even more meditation.

Don't make this personal when it's not. You want to pull me, who I am, in to this argument because you want to discredit me and not what I'm saying. Why not argue against my statements instead of me? Leave me out of this.



You don't think there is no good or evil? or a heaven or a hell?
Test your theory.
Rob a bank and see who you get for a meditation partner while you are in jail.

Frank

This is not an argument. It's completely invalid. Your assumption is that if I were to raped, I'd then admit that there is good and evil. I assure that I wouldn't. Rape isn't evil. No act or deed is evil. It just is. Not rape or anything else because there is no standard to judge. It's all just experience. The only person who makes these things good and evil is the person, their mind, their thoughts. It may be pleasant or unpleasant, harmful or not, hurtful or beneficial. There is no good or evil because these are made up concepts of society. What is good and evil changes from society and society.

Your arguments say nothing or little next to nothing. The medium is a text forum. I'm not looking for advice.

[tjohn]

(Religion has a purpose) To control you. This covers the area of the new religion which has taken the name of spirituality. From Zen Buddhism, Christianity, and New Age spirituality, it is all designed to control individuals. Look at the thought police that have shown up all over the internet now. The positive thinking gestapo are trying to control your minds and thoughts. Don't let them.

You need no religion or group or teachers. I tend to agree.

There is no heaven or hell. Heaven is the sky. There is no burning eternal torment but some would say that life can be hell.

There is no good or evil. Actually, that’s a new-age deception.

There is no success or failure. These are all constructs of the matrix control grid. They are formations of the mind, yours and someone else's.

You don't need to meditate or think positively. 1) Depends on what you mean by meditate. If I tried to meditate like a Buddhist I wouldn't be able to stop laughing, because to me it seems so pretentious. However, without trying I’m often in a meditate type state of mind. 2) Thinking negatively is bad for us but positive thinking alone isn’t enough to put this world right.

I liberate you from all of that. You don't need to marry or have children. Being joined to someone is marriage and we don’t need the State to determine that. Some might say they don’t need children but having children is lots of people’s choice. Take away a child from loving parents and it hurts. Spilt up a real marriage and it hurts. If you don’t understand, you must be more reptilian than most. We do not want you to liberate us from such nor can you really do so. Are you really a reptile?

You don't need to get a job or make money or be the most popular kid in school. So who wants to be popular? You are free of karma. People do often get back what they give, or don’t give.

You are free of love. You are free of anything which binds you. You are free of destiny, synchronicity, and the law of attraction. From atoms to whole galaxies, without laws of attraction the universe wouldn’t exist. These laws of attraction are then naturally reflected in human love and compassion and us wanting to be together. We do not want to be free of love.

You are free of striving and attempting. You wrote it! lol You are free of the expectations of others. I agree that we should be ourselves instead of looking for approval. However, love is natural for us and it’s a natural choice of ours to be with and help other people, if we can. And we shouldn’t need religion to tell us what is natural to us.