Are any vaccines actually safe??

[antinwo]

Been on another forum and got in a row over the mmr jab debate with people calling me irresponsible ect for not getting my kids jabbed. I actually now do not trust any jabs because of the fact that someones kids I know got autism straight after the jab and that was two of her sons. The third son she did not have vaccinated and guess what he did not get autism. None of my kids are vaccinated at all now as I also know David mentions many of them contain mercury which is in itself very dangerous. I just get sick of people slating me for my views on vaccinations. They are even saying I should give my daughter the new cervical cancer jab as cervical cancer is on the increase. I am so confused is this jab safe:confused:

[dmt head]

My girlfriends daughter asked me that evry question last nigth about the flu jabs, I just assumed because its for old folks that maybe there not as bad as other vaccinations but I really dont know, would like to know peoples opinions on this too??

[drhemp]

I heard the tetnus jab is safe and even advisable if you tread on a rusty nail, but they now mix it with 2 other unnecessary vaccinations. Most of the others are pretty much unnecessary and actually bad for your immune systems. The govt push them, because they just do what the pharmaceuticals tell them to do; mass vaccination is big business for the pharmaceuticals, not just for the vaccinations, but for selling further medicines when people get more ill, as a result of having their immune systems fucked about with.

[checkmate]

I think you have to follow your instincts on this one. Do all the research you can get ahold of and make an informed decision. You will have problems in school if your children have not been vaccinated, but if you get a supportive doctor and lawyer you might be able to bypass all the regulations in school.

I think it's a legitamite concern, but don't go by other's personal experiences without something to back it up.

[brainfreeze]

Antinwo, I have a mate who's son has autism. I refused the MMR jab for my children while they were young, it was not a chance I was prepared to take. They had all their jabs done at school going age though.

My youngest son is a heart patient, he always has the flu jab in September.

[biblegirl]

Full interview with former vaccine developer: http://www.vaclib.org/basic/manu.htm

Here is a little sample:

Q: Are some vaccines more dangerous than others?

A: Yes. The DPT shot, for example. The MMR. But some lots of a vaccine are more dangerous than other lots of the same vaccine. As far as I'm concerned, all vaccines are dangerous.

Q: Why?

A: Several reasons. They involve the human immune system in a process that tends to compromise immunity. They can actually cause the disease they are supposed to prevent. They can cause other diseases than the ones they are supposed to prevent.

Q: Why are we quoted statistics which seem to prove that vaccines have been tremendously successful at wiping out diseases?

A: Why? To give the illusion that these vaccines are useful. If a vaccine suppresses visible symptoms of a disease like measles, everyone assumes that the vaccine is a success. But, under the surface, the vaccine can harm the immune system itself. And if it causes other diseases -- say, meningitis -- that fact is masked, because no one believes that the vaccine can do that. The connection is overlooked.

[shellygurrrl]

I think the HPV/cervical cancer vaccine is worthless. You have to get 3 of them over a certain period of time, and even the commercials state they do not know how effective they are, how long they last, and they only protect like 3 or 4 strains out of something like 70. It's crazy. Cervical cancer is rare as it is. This smells of benefit for Big Pharma over actually trying to help regular people.

The ingredient in vaccines that causes all the controversy is THIMEROSAL. Supposedly, this ingredient (mercury) has been phased out. I can't say if it has. I'm about to have a baby and am conflicted about whether to vaccinate her or not.

I think it is ridiculous that there are vaccines over stuff like chicken pox, which besides causing some discomfort for a few days, is not lethal, or serious. I got chicken pox and did just fine. Plus, the flu shot is stupid. I have never needed a flu shot, and we need to allow our bodies to build natural immunities and antibodies.

Most people, however, can break down the amounts of thimerosal (mercury) in the shots and pass them harmlessly through their bodies (relatively speaking). However, not everyone can, and I believe it is in these cases that autism is developed.

[drael]

Some are relatively safer than others.

They are all disease being injected into your body, so there is a percentage of people who get full blown sick from it.

Unfortunately some cant be avoided. Tetinus (sp?) is prolly worth doing, because otherwise rusty nails can kill ya.

[antinwo]

Full interview with former vaccine developer: http://www.vaclib.org/basic/manu.htm

Here is a little sample:

Q: Are some vaccines more dangerous than others?

A: Yes. The DPT shot, for example. The MMR. But some lots of a vaccine are more dangerous than other lots of the same vaccine. As far as I'm concerned, all vaccines are dangerous.

Q: Why?

A: Several reasons. They involve the human immune system in a process that tends to compromise immunity. They can actually cause the disease they are supposed to prevent. They can cause other diseases than the ones they are supposed to prevent.

Q: Why are we quoted statistics which seem to prove that vaccines have been tremendously successful at wiping out diseases?

A: Why? To give the illusion that these vaccines are useful. If a vaccine suppresses visible symptoms of a disease like measles, everyone assumes that the vaccine is a success. But, under the surface, the vaccine can harm the immune system itself. And if it causes other diseases -- say, meningitis -- that fact is masked, because no one believes that the vaccine can do that. The connection is overlooked.

After reading that I think it answers my question:D

[biblegirl]

They are even saying I should give my daughter the new cervical cancer jab as cervical cancer is on the increase. I am so confused is this jab safe:confused:

Alert over jab for girls as two die following cervical cancer vaccination
By JENNY HOPE
Last updated at 10:38am on 25th January 2008

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1774


A jab that could be given to hundreds of thousands of schoolgirls this autumn was at the centre at a safety scare last night following the deaths of two young women.

European regulators are investigating the "sudden and unexpected" deaths of the women who received Gardasil, one of two jabs to protect against cervical cancer licensed for use in the UK.

The vaccine has been hailed as a breakthrough by the Department of Health, which is backing an annual programme of vaccination for girls aged 11 to 13 years starting in September.

The jab is already available privately and a thirteen-year-old girl from London became the first in the country to receive the cervical cancer vaccine in 2006. Hollie Anderson's mother, Lisa, paid £450 for her to have the jab after seeing her own mother battle against cancer.

Hollie Anderson from London had the cervical cancer jab aged 13

The European Medicines Agency (EMEA) said one of the young women who received Gardasil died in Germany while the other was in Austria. It has not released their ages.

It follows the deaths of three young women aged 12, 19 and 22 who were reported to have died in the U.S. days after Gardasil was administered, with 1,700 patients suffering "adverse reactions". There were no previous recorded deaths in Europe.

The EMEA said: "In both cases, the cause of death could not be identified.

"No causal relationship has been established between the deaths of the young women and the administration of Gardasil."

A spokesman said 1.5million people had been given the vaccine in Europe.

She said there were no plans to change advice on the use of the vaccine.

The UK vaccination programme will protect girls against the sexually-transmitted human papillomavirus (HPV) that causes cervical cancer.


Investigations have begun after two young women died suddenly after receiving Gardasil

It should help cut up to 1,000 deaths a year from the disease.

Gardasil, made by Merck, is one of the jabs to be used initially. The other is Cervarix, made by Glaxo-SmithKline.

Dr Nicholas Kitchin, medical director at Sanofi Pasteur MSD, which markets Gardasil, said: "The authorities in the two countries have looked intensively at these two cases and have not established a causal link, and this has been endorsed by the EMEA.

"The fact that the EMEA is not taking any action on the back of this should be seen as reassuring that the product remains safe."

[steevo]

I'm NOT sure if ALL vaccines use a mercury based "preservatives" in them but it would appear that alot of them do. Mercury is toxic and is said to lead to autism.

"We know that mercury can cause serious developmental problems in children and problems affecting vision, motor (brain) skills, blood pressure and fertility in adults," Obama said in a statement. "While the United States has improved its efforts to collect and contain mercury, this country remains one of the leading exporters of this dangerous product."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/health/chi-mercury-ban-30-sep30,0,1846795.story

[ex sheep]

They are even saying I should give my daughter the new cervical cancer jab as cervical cancer is on the increase. I am so confused is this jab safe:confused:


Go here and it will break your heart about all these girls how their lives have been ruined. fuck these bastards.

http://www.medications.com/se/gardasil

Send them that link and that will change their mind

[biblegirl]

Go here and it will break your heart about all these girls how their lives have been ruined. fuck these bastards.

http://www.medications.com/se/gardasil

thanks for the link

this crap is revolting! :mad:

[alzee]

I just posted in another thread, but meant to post here :o
So here it is:

I've seen several threads about the perils of vaccinations, since joining this forum, and had come to the conclusion that the parents who were withholding vaccinations from their children were irresponsible, paranoid fools.

Then i did some reading on it.

I'm disgusted that some (if not all) vaccines are still in use. Especially when their efficacy is unproven, and evidence shows that theyre actually detrimental in many ways!

I read some good info about all this, here (http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/howensteinwhyyoushouldavoidvaccines03feb07.shtml).

[rhydra]

There is big money in the MMR jab, the government and media are paid to crush any dissent, even legitimate questioning is seen as a direct threat, one has to ask oneself, if they are that keen on shutting up the opposition what have they to hid.

Assume plenty.

[21_12_2012]

I won't even have my cat vaccinated.

[alzee]

Here's a good mainstream article written by a GP about whether vaccines are neccesary:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-468890/Are-vaccines-waste-time.html

Bleh, i feel all dirty after posting a DailyMail link; but at least its relevant.

[ex sheep]

Never listen to these bastards.

I was wondering how the innocent children needed a second dose of MMR,

My first thought that it might be a booster

NO is it fuck

It's because just in case the first one does not work

But then they can't even get there % together to at least keep the same fucking bullshit as you will see (sorry for cursing, it makes me so mad)

Why do children have to have two doses of the MMR vaccine instead of one?
The reason behind this is simply to improve the amount of protection it gives. Up to 10 per cent of children are not protected by the first injection, but after the second, this figure drops to less than one per cent.
http://www.london.gov.uk/londoner/06sep/p17a.jsp?nav=health

It is advisable for your child to have a 2nd MMR, because 5-10% of children receiving the first dose may not make protection to all 3 components of the vaccine.

http://www.mmrthefacts.nhs.uk/questions/question.php?id=74


Why is a second dose of MMR necessary?
About 2%-5% of persons do not develop measles immunity after the first dose of vaccine. This occurs for a variety of reasons. The second dose is to provide another chance to develop measles immunity for persons who did not respond to the first dose.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/combo-vaccines/mmr/faqs-mmr-hcp.htm

[antinwo]

Go here and it will break your heart about all these girls how their lives have been ruined. fuck these bastards.

http://www.medications.com/se/gardasil

Send them that link and that will change their mind

OMG reading those reports I feel so sickened and upset:( There is no way my daughters will be getting that vaccine

[shellygurrrl]

I think this is one of those issues where you have to use your judgment because some medicine is good. We need good medicine and technology. It's a matter of choosing things like -

- only giving your child one shot at at a time (sometimes they give up to 6 or more at once and it's harder for a little body to fight off the bad stuff)

- vaccinating at a later age when their bodies grow stronger

- checking the ingredients, demanding they show you

- only choosing certain ones for serious diseases

You do have options and I don't think it's all bad. It's a matter of dosage and ingredient and timing as well as other factors, in my opinion.

[devotional soul]

I strongly suggest avoiding all vaccines. I think they are part of the NWO agenda for population control while making the pharmas millions from lifelong disabled customers.

Here's homeopathic alternatives (nosodes):

Nosode Kits:
http://phytopia.biz/NosodeKits.html
Handbook for Homeopathic Alternatives to Immunization by Susan Curtis:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Handbook-Hom.../dp/1874581029

[antinwo]

I won't even have my cat vaccinated.

Nice one:D