The Unanswered Question

[awakensong]

is this.......

If there is only One Oneness, and this One and Only One Consciousness is ONLY Infinite Love, then where would it 'get' the mechanisms to create an evil Matrix in which to enslave itself - and - why would it want to? How would it become "Satanic" or "Draconian" or "Reptilian" if that is not within Its Nature? :confused:

How is it "All Possibility", if within those possibilities are both good and evil, as well as love, fear and hate, etc.... if it is Only Infinite Love, and such things are not possible for All Love? :confused:

I have been studying into this for 2 years and cannot get this question answered. It makes the idea seem a bit schizoid to me, although I'm not trying to refute it - just wanting to understand a lot better. Anyone know?:confused: :confused: :confused:

[alchemist2012]

is this.......

If there is only One Oneness, and this One and Only One Consciousness is ONLY Infinite Love, then where would it 'get' the mechanisms to create an evil Matrix in which to enslave itself - and - why would it want to? How would it become "Satanic" or "Draconian" or "Reptilian" if that is not within Its Nature? :confused:

How is it "All Possibility", if within those possibilities are both good and evil, as well as love, fear and hate, etc.... if it is Only Infinite Love, and such things are not possible for All Love? :confused:

I have been studying into this for 2 years and cannot get this question answered. It makes the idea seem a bit schizoid to me, although I'm not trying to refute it - just wanting to understand a lot better. Anyone know?:confused: :confused: :confused:


And finaly someone who axcualy used his brain and don't repeat whatever others say. In truth I tell you: As long as you can't see what's the view of between two mirrors | | there will be misterys beyond your understand..
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

its all an ocean of lies! as for the ruth is a water droap but its real and never change.


LIGHT / DARK truth / lie LOVE / HATE

imagine a room, then if you need light, you will bring light right?? Light with its speed, intesity etc... What if you want dark in the room? Can you bring dark???? NO . the most you can do is Taking light out of the room!!! So; in truth dark doesn't exist , just light !!! Darkness is he absence of LIGHT!!! DARK IS ROOM FOR LIGHT TO BE IN! Please apply the same universal law into the others and everything else you choose to and let e know.
1corintihians 3:16 (http://lh5.google.com/image/lmda2012/Rbm_j8pEEaI/AAAAAAAAABA/BwX_WXG96ic/perfect.JPG)

[Anders Lindman]

One of David Icke's theories I don't agree with is that evolution is an illusion. I think evolution is obvious to see, not in the biological world, but in technology. Look at the evolution of video games for example; from the simple Pong to today's advanced 3D games. A similar thing with cell/mobile phones. A cell phone model today is much more advanced than a model from only 10 years ago. Ray Kurzweil has described how this evolution is not only exponential - it is even exponential-exponential.

Evolution is not just about biology. The universe evolves as a whole.

Evolution is the movement into higher and higher states, which means more and more intelligent states, which means less and less suffering.

[Anders Lindman]

One could say that Infinite Love is half the truth and that the rest is history. Infinite Love is the life-force that drives evolution forward. The history is clearly not Infinite Love. History is the dirty soil of suffering from which Love flowers.

But are things really getting better? Aren't things getting worse? The answer is that from a smaller perspective it often looks like things get worse. Evolution makes leaps, transitions into higher and higher states.

At the end of an evolutionary transition things can seem to get worse. A metaphor for this is a chicken growing inside its egg. At first the chicken has plenty of food and lots of space inside the egg. But after a while the food becomes more and more scarce and not only that, the space is getting smaller and smaller and eventually there is no food left and the egg is a total dark claustrophobic prison. At that moment it can seem from the chicken's limited perspective that things has gotten worse indeed. But then the chicken understands that it can break out of the egg which has up to that point been a protection and a source of food.

[Anders Lindman]

This should be a good description of evolution:

Part 1: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3645582369871751706

Part 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5351325697680916701

I haven't seen this presentation by Ian Lungold yet, but it should be similar to his previous presentations which were very good.

[oneofmany]

is this.......

If there is only One Oneness, and this One and Only One Consciousness is ONLY Infinite Love, then where would it 'get' the mechanisms to create an evil Matrix in which to enslave itself - and - why would it want to? How would it become "Satanic" or "Draconian" or "Reptilian" if that is not within Its Nature? :confused:

How is it "All Possibility", if within those possibilities are both good and evil, as well as love, fear and hate, etc.... if it is Only Infinite Love, and such things are not possible for All Love? :confused:

I have been studying into this for 2 years and cannot get this question answered. It makes the idea seem a bit schizoid to me, although I'm not trying to refute it - just wanting to understand a lot better. Anyone know?:confused: :confused: :confused:

The way i see it is that consciousness is constantly evolving to a crescendo, 2012 according to the Maya, and all the duality is because we have to grow as a mass consciousness, unfortunately that means duality, and I believe that this is a learning tool of our own evolving consciousness to prepare ourselves for living in oneness.
Ian Lungold (RIP) has some fascinating info on consciousness
here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8689261981090121097
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-567329528148516232

based on doctor Calleman's research of Mayan calendars :cool:

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[oneofmany]

I swear to almighty consciousness that i only read the first post

WOW

[alchemist2012]

One of David Icke's theories I don't agree with is that evolution is an illusion. I think evolution is obvious to see, not in the biological world, but in technology. Look at the evolution of video games for example; from the simple Pong to today's advanced 3D games. A similar thing with cell/mobile phones. A cell phone model today is much more advanced than a model from only 10 years ago. Ray Kurzweil has described how this evolution is not only exponential - it is even exponential-exponential.

Evolution is not just about biology. The universe evolves as a whole.

Evolution is the movement into higher and higher states, which means more and more intelligent states, which means less and less suffering.

IN TRUTH I TELL YOU: IT IS MAN WHO WOULD TURN INTO MONKYS IF EVOLUTION REALLY EXISTED. All there is is: adaptation. Nothing else. It is very very clear that it got to be an inteligence designer to make all things working together.

[snog]

is this.......

If there is only One Oneness, and this One and Only One Consciousness is ONLY Infinite Love, then where would it 'get' the mechanisms to create an evil Matrix in which to enslave itself - and - why would it want to? How would it become "Satanic" or "Draconian" or "Reptilian" if that is not within Its Nature? :confused:

How is it "All Possibility", if within those possibilities are both good and evil, as well as love, fear and hate, etc.... if it is Only Infinite Love, and such things are not possible for All Love? :confused:

I have been studying into this for 2 years and cannot get this question answered. It makes the idea seem a bit schizoid to me, although I'm not trying to refute it - just wanting to understand a lot better. Anyone know?:confused: :confused: :confused:

Hi awakensong,

When you hear the term 'infinite love', it really isn't what you may think it is. When a human thinks about love, it is usually connected to relationships, being a loving person, and family etc etc. The 'love' in 'infinite love' is just a term for all creation and thought. You can't associate it as being the opposite to hate, that is where this confusion comes in. It's the same thing.

We have to let go of this damn duality issue, and I know it's hard to comprehend but it doesn't exist.

[purple is a fruit]

Hi awakensong,

When you hear the term 'infinite love', it really isn't what you may think it is. When a human thinks about love, it is usually connected to relationships, being a loving person, and family etc etc. The 'love' in 'infinite love' is just a term for all creation and thought. You can't associate it as being the opposite to hate, that is where this confusion comes in. It's the same thing.

We have to let go of this damn duality issue, and I know it's hard to comprehend but it doesn't exist.


NICE WORK!

[Anders Lindman]

IN TRUTH I TELL YOU: IT IS MAN WHO WOULD TURN INTO MONKYS IF EVOLUTION REALLY EXISTED. All there is is: adaptation. Nothing else. It is very very clear that it got to be an inteligence designer to make all things working together.

I see evolution as an ongoing process of creation. Maybe I should have used the term Force of Creation or something like that instead of the word evolution. But it is clear to me that creation is an ongoing process that creates higher and higher states of being. The Force of Creation, or God-force, or whatever to call it, is already complete, and has always been complete, but it continues to create new things, and we ARE that Force in action.

[awakensong]

Thanks for your responses, everyone. I think my biggest angst with all of this is, science tells us there have been human beings on this planet for billions of years. I suppose cataclysms nearly wipe out a lifeform and then it must begin again to try and evolve.

But how far have humans gotten before, in the course of billions of years? If it is taking us this long to get free of the Matrix, is there really any hope that we ever will? Or is something else really the issue?

[alchemist2012]

Thanks for your responses, everyone. I think my biggest angst with all of this is, science tells us there have been human beings on this planet for billions of years. I suppose cataclysms nearly wipe out a lifeform and then it must begin again to try and evolve.

But how far have humans gotten before, in the course of billions of years? If it is taking us this long to get free of the Matrix, is there really any hope that we ever will? Or is something else really the issue?


In truth I tell you: Science became a doctrination sistem to bring humanity down on its nee and to confuse the hell out of us. It is no longer trusted. science today in day is corrupted. Do not take it very serioully however, you still can some with it. 1Ti 6:20 keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:


In my intite study and research with ancient sumerians, egypts, ancient monks, mayas, incas, bible and etc. The only complete salvation plan for humanity is in Jesus christ as said in the bible. yeap. Avalable for the whole world but not for so long. it will be taken away soon. I hope all you guys think about it when it happen. If they don't want you to have it, you know what it means. right now G W bush is making a psycological trick using the word God and bible and making war at the sametime to make people assossiate God with war and hate. anyways. Happy wakening.

[awakensong]

We can accept God becoming Man to save Man, but not Man becoming God to save himself. --Vernon Howard--

And that is what I believe the life and ministry of Jesus the Christ was for and about. He was the Revealer and Role Model. The earth has been proven again and again to be much older than the 5- to 10-thousand years that mainstream religions want to give it. Why is it they won't accept the facts?

I accept the [true] life of Jesus (not the Astro-Theology of the bible applied to him), but detached from Jehovah and Paul. Science is not giving us any answers, that is for sure; but neither is religion. I believe Paul was inserted as a means of bringing the people back to Jehovah/Yahweh - the very one Jesus tried and tried to tell the Pharisees of his day was not the God of Creation (see especially John Chapter 4, reading it without the church's indoctrination). For this, of course, they said he blasphemed, and they executed him.

[awakensong]

And since this a forum to discuss the works and research of David Icke, he seems to say that science only finds what it observes and what it believes it will find.

David also says it is all a Virtual Reality, all a Software Program. I suppose we can discover how old the software is by observing it and running tests on it, no?

Again, if we have been at this for billions of "earth-time years", whether time exists or not, why haven't we made progress by now? What is missing?

The bible has been re-written, forged, plagiarized, and so many other things, so many times, that it takes a great deal of discernment to know what is truth from lie, or fact from fiction. It is also used by the Matrix for purposes which benefit the Matrix. It was probably written by them for all we know, and apparently as far as David is concerned, it was!

[Anders Lindman]

Thanks for your responses, everyone. I think my biggest angst with all of this is, science tells us there have been human beings on this planet for billions of years. I suppose cataclysms nearly wipe out a lifeform and then it must begin again to try and evolve.

But how far have humans gotten before, in the course of billions of years? If it is taking us this long to get free of the Matrix, is there really any hope that we ever will? Or is something else really the issue?

Ian Lungold's presentations show how evolution is an exponential process that has an enormous momentum built up during billions of years. Creation goes faster and faster and faster, and around 2012 creation will go hysterically fast. Yet consciousness is moving from power into etics. Power will have problem dealing with the massive acceleration, while etics will get more and more calm, clear and centered. A good illustration Lungold used was a gyro, which becomes more and more stable the faster it spins.

[Anders Lindman]

Ian Lungold's presentations show how evolution is an exponential process that has an enormous momentum built up during billions of years. Creation goes faster and faster and faster, and around 2012 creation will go hysterically fast. Yet consciousness is moving from power into etics. Power will have problem dealing with the massive acceleration, while etics will get more and more calm, clear and centered. A good illustration Lungold used was a gyro, which becomes more and more stable the faster it spins.

I see one danger with having too firm belief in evolution as a fixed schedule, with 2012 as a definite date for some kind of omega point. It can create a false idea that this schedule HAS to slavishly be followed. David Icke has a point in pointing out that infinite consciousness is not restricted by evolution.

[sean~infinte]

you ask is it how is it possible that everything is one conscienuss so then how can we be in fear and why is the matrix like that?

david icke talks about this in an interview by saying that the matrix was created by us but becuase of a disconnection from one conscienuss the matrix took over like a frankenstien matrix

we started to fear thus the reflection created fear the reflection is the matrix so the matrix is fear

as far as evoulution goes if it does existed i think it was planned out by ETs like the sumerians said it was or it could be conscienuss evolving shaping the physicality of the computer (our body) like a upgrade to allow better interfacing and allowing more actions of possibility

evoulution is clearly some what present in mysterious such as the wisdom tooth our stub where a tail used to be and the fact we arent realy supposed to eat meat anymoe but the digestive system still digests meat


the interview is here if u wana look: http://www.karmapolis.be/pipeline/interview_icke_uk.htm

[Anders Lindman]

My view at the moment is that there is both creation and evolution going on. There is cause and effect, but also creation. Simple mechanical cause and effect would not be able to create anything. If cause = effect, then that is the same as saying that X = X, so how then could X change into another state? It couldn't! Cause and effect by itself cannot even create the simplest motion, because change requires that X1 turns into X2. And only creation can make that happen.

And evolution fueled by creation is not limited to merely linear progress according to some predetermined agenda. Thus the year 2012 should in my opinion not be taken as some fixed law, but rather as a fairly good prediction, but only a prediction nevertheless. Like weather forecasts. Predictions.

[awakensong]

These are very good responses once again, everyone. Thanks very much.

Speaking of views at the moment, mine is that the physical body is an expression of Spirit and a manifestation of Soul. There is an audio CD by Candice Pert, Ph.D. a neuroscientist (one of the contributors to the movie "What the Bleep") titled "Your Body Is Your Subconscious Mind". It is not the body that I believe we wish to be away from, it is the oppression and servitude it has come under. Just observe how mightily we fight off anything that threatens the life of our body.

She says "Your Brain is not in charge". We are definitely controlled by our subconscious and the whole collective subconscious of humanity, which has undergone tremendous trauma and strain just to survive as a species.

Anders, I'll look up this person you spoke of, Ian Lungold, to find out more.

[Anders Lindman]

I read that Ian Lungold has died, but I couldn't find what he died of. He seemed so healthy in the videos I posted earlier in this thread, and he died only a couple of months after that. Strange.

I have read Cadence Pert's book Molecules of Emotion. Really good book. I might check out her audio CD.

[awakensong]

david icke talks about this in an interview by saying that the matrix was created by us but becuase of a disconnection from one conscienuss the matrix took over like a frankenstien matrix

Yes, I agree. I don't think the matrix could exist if we hadn't created it because it is all One. I'm once again thinking it may be more the case that the Reptilians are our OWN reptilian brain which has come under fear and trauma, and is controlling us from the ego/body, instead of our being able to live our lives from the spirit as originally intended.

Michael Tsarion speaks a lot about this and says that the human ego was forged during the big cataclysm, and is how we survived. The god of the old testament was a projection of mass consciousness from that era.

[Anders Lindman]

I'm once again thinking it may be more the case that the Reptilians are our OWN reptilian brain which has come under fear and trauma, and is controlling us from the ego/body, ...

Also, probably the reptile brain can easily be manipulated by those who know how to do that. The reptile brain in humans may not be smart, but it is fast and very powerful.

I imagine that pushing the right subliminal buttons could easily create rage, fear, apathy etc in people.

Therefore it's important to have control over one's own reptile brain, and not let external forces take over that control. One way of doing this is perhaps to focus one's awareness directly on the reptile brain.

A simple yet perhaps a bit difficult practice is to focus one's awareness on the reptile brain, the heart and the stomach (guts) at the same time and feel if there is any inner conflict there.

In most people including myself there most certainly is a huge inner conflict to deal with. For example, it took me a long time to be able to sense my heart at all!!! Talk about numbed out emotions! And when I have no inner awareness, external manipulations can easily hijack my feelings and for example create great irritation in me for even the smallest things.

[awakensong]

I imagine that pushing the right subliminal buttons could easily create rage, fear, apathy etc in people.

Isn't this one of the things they wish to implement with the microchip?

Isn't Spirit the same as Consciousness anyway?

[Anders Lindman]

Isn't this one of the things they wish to implement with the microchip?

Isn't Spirit the same as Consciousness anyway?

Consciousness can be switched on and off, while Spirit is not affected by time since Spirit creates time, I think. But it depends on what we mean by consciousness.

I personally believe that the microchip is just for tagging. The same way they tag cattle and pets nowadays. But I could be wrong. By having a microchip that could alter a person's emotional state, that person could be controlled even if he or she had learned how to not be affected by subliminals etc, because the microchip could override the person's own will. Horrible stuff.

And even if, as I believe, the microchip is only for tagging, I would never let myself get a chip inserted under my skin. Why? Because it's too bloody unaesthetic. :shudder:

Just the mere thought of having a piece of glass floating around in my body makes me feel sick.

[sean~infinte]

i read somewhere that bush and other world leaders speak subliminaly to the three parts of the brain especialy the reptilian part using fear and survival then onto th other two parts with the mammal and frontal lobes with saying stuff like we are doing this for world peace

thus all part of the brain have been directly spoken to getting there propaganderous message across to the watcher

[Anders Lindman]

i read somewhere that bush and other world leaders speak subliminaly to the three parts of the brain especialy the reptilian part using fear and survival then onto th other two parts with the mammal and frontal lobes with saying stuff like we are doing this for world peace

thus all part of the brain have been directly spoken to getting there propaganderous message across to the watcher

That's what I also suspect. I wrote in another thread about two levels in the messages; emotional and intellectual. Perhaps it is even three levels; instinctual, emotional and intellectual.

[awakensong]

And even if, as I believe, the microchip is only for tagging, I would never let myself get a chip inserted under my skin. Why? Because it's too bloody unaesthetic.

What if they force it on us - just hold us down or use a stun gun, and force it?

Even if it's "only" for tracking, I would not want one; I'm not a pet or an animal to be tagged.

[awakensong]

That's what I also suspect. I wrote in another thread about two levels in the messages; emotional and intellectual.
Perhaps it is even three levels; instinctual, emotional and intellectual.

I actually read yesterday that there are four levels: Will, emotion, intellect, and here's what is slowing down the process for them and causing so much resistance from the populace -- our inherent need for Freedom.

[sean~infinte]

well apparently the way they are gona make us get the microchip is the fact that we will only be able to buy things using the chip as itl be all in electric currency like a in built credit card so if we dont have the chip we cant buy anithing

indeed humans have an inbuilt need for freedom and thats why fascism doesnt work and thats why politicians use problem, reaction, solution like 9/11so the people actualy think the new laws being brought in is to protect that freedom when all it does is take it away

as david icke says the prison without the bars

[Anders Lindman]

What if they force it on us - just hold us down or use a stun gun, and force it?

Even if it's "only" for tracking, I would not want one; I'm not a pet or an animal to be tagged.

If they use force, then we would already live in an overt Orwellian state. I don't think it will come to that. Ethics will grow stronger than power.

[awakensong]

Whose ethics, though? Do "they" have any? :D :confused:

[Anders Lindman]

Ian Lungold made an interesting distinction between morals and ethics. Morals are social rules, while ethics comes from within oneself.

I got the idea that power is moving with the same speed all the time, while ethics has only recently slowly, slowly begun to move. While power is a linear movement with constant speed and momentum, ethics has accelerating speed and momentum. So even if power can crush ethics easily today, just wait a couple of years and ethics will be like an express train going faster and faster, and the mosquito called power will be no problem then. :D

[awakensong]

While power is a linear movement with constant speed and momentum, ethics has accelerating speed and momentum. So even if power can crush ethics easily today, just wait a couple of years and ethics will be like an express train going faster and faster, and the mosquito called power will be no problem then. :D

I only hope you're right on this!:) Does that apply to the Reptilians as well, though? This is my main concern. They are supposedly of the 'psychopathic' mindset and that is soulless.

Here in the U.S. there are news stories (not on the main media, mind you) of very peaceful anti-war protesters being tazer-gunned. One group had a 6-year-old girl who died of the tazer experience.

Peaceful anti-war demonstrators from Veterans For Peace (http://www.VeteransForPeace.org) are also experiencing tazer guns just for quietly walking around with their placards, and they are being openly labeled as "enemy combatants" and "a threat to national security".:eek: :mad: :(

[Anders Lindman]

Ian Lungold talked about how they have developed a spray that they can spray in the air over thousands of people, and then taze all of the people at the same time. :eek:

He also said that with ethics, there's no need to go out and demonstrate against power. Instead ethics moves in its own direction and doesn't need to be in conflict with power. I guess power will have problem dealing with ethics, but that ethics will have no problem dealing with power.

[awakensong]

Ok, so you're actually saying, in effect, the same thing I'm saying?

The Reptilians are impervious to ethics, but not to the empowerment it gives the mass population? Alex Jones continues saying they are afraid of us and we will win.

I don't know why people are tolerating all this right now, though. They succumb themselves to full-body scans at airports, etc. They continue to VOTE, as if there is any choice in so-called 'leadership', full well knowing that the voting machines are "fixed".

[Anders Lindman]

Ok, so you're actually saying, in effect, the same thing I'm saying?

The Reptilians are impervious to ethics, but not to the empowerment it gives the mass population? Alex Jones continues saying they are afraid of us and we will win.

I don't know why people are tolerating all this right now, though. They succumb themselves to full-body scans at airports, etc. They continue to VOTE, as if there is any choice in so-called 'leadership', full well knowing that the voting machines are "fixed".

I don't believe that the elite are reptilian, but I think the System to its structure is very much like a social reptile brain. Alex Jones could be right about power being afraid of ethics. And also about ethics, that ethics is something that is getting momentum in people.

My own tactics are to be somewhere between power and ethics, and also open to radical ideas like infinite consciousness and such, because even ethics could be a trap within the Matrix.

[awakensong]

I don't believe that the elite are reptilian, but I think the System to its structure is very much like a social reptile brain.

I see a little, or maybe a lot, more than that. There is something so very sinister in the U.S. social structure, maybe something not in the cultures of other countries.

There would be a difference to me in a reptilian 'brain' with regard to fear, but something else with regard to such avarice as is taking place over here. There is a whole agenda going on, what some say is the Zionist agenda, or the master "alien" agenda - the tyranny spoken of at http://www.montalk.net and many other places, such as right here at Icke's site.

The difference between fear and psychopathy is to me the difference in whether ethics will matter to these elite rulers.

[awakensong]

That's what I also suspect. I wrote in another thread about two levels in the messages; emotional and intellectual. Perhaps it is even three levels; instinctual, emotional and intellectual.

Ok, I found what I was reading and here are the 4:

Intellect, Emotion, Sensation and Intuition - Which represent the 4 elements (Fire, Water, Air and Earth) the 4 suits in the card deck (Tarot) and the 4 modalities of consciousness. They also represent the 4 sister Divination disciplines which also require unification.

So, this must be what is being "pandered" to in the speeches given by politicians? I sure see how the media is making great use of sensationalism.:eek:

[Anders Lindman]

Ok, I found what I was reading and here are the 4:

Intellect, Emotion, Sensation and Intuition - Which represent the 4 elements (Fire, Water, Air and Earth) the 4 suits in the card deck (Tarot) and the 4 modalities of consciousness. They also represent the 4 sister Divination disciplines which also require unification.

So, this must be what is being "pandered" to in the speeches given by politicians? I sure see how the media is making great use of sensationalism.:eek:

Yes! High-ranking people working in politics, mass media, advertisements, entertainment, and so on. The higher their rank, the more drilled these fine robots are!!! :mad:

It can be great fun to read the news, watch television etc while having awareness of this. Then instead of, when watching some news, thinking: "Oh, those poor victims" I can see: "Ha! They are trying to make me feel guilty. Screw that!!!" :D

[awakensong]

What I actually had meant by saying the thing about sensationalism is that people reveled in watching videos of the beheadings and other killings (Iraqi citizens), they love to watch the images of 9/11, none of which I can tolerate looking at.

I truly do feel sorry for the victims, but I don't buy into the tactics of the media in trying to play into the reptile brain factors.

[sean~infinte]

yh i agree especialy if we do create our own reality and seeing death and suffering everytime we turn on the news does have an impact in our version of reality certainly brings down our frequency

im guessing when they do show us the pictures of iraqi people dead and so it realy has an impact on our mamal brain and frontol lobes the ones tht deal with caring about our fellow brothers and sisters of the world and making us feel guilty or watever the agenda is for tht purpose

lol i havent even started on global warming and all tht tripe

[mari]

is this.......

If there is only One Oneness, and this One and Only One Consciousness is ONLY Infinite Love, then where would it 'get' the mechanisms to create an evil Matrix in which to enslave itself - and - why would it want to? How would it become "Satanic" or "Draconian" or "Reptilian" if that is not within Its Nature? :confused:

How is it "All Possibility", if within those possibilities are both good and evil, as well as love, fear and hate, etc.... if it is Only Infinite Love, and such things are not possible for All Love? :confused:

I have been studying into this for 2 years and cannot get this question answered. It makes the idea seem a bit schizoid to me, although I'm not trying to refute it - just wanting to understand a lot better. Anyone know?:confused: :confused: :confused:

Have you read Neale Donald Walsch's 'Conversations with God?' 'God' explains this dark/light paradox in terms of: one cannot exist without the other: - in order for love to exsist, there HAS to be evil. You cannot recognise Love if you have not experienced its opposite. I've explained it very simplistically here, but N D Walsch/God does it so much better!

[awakensong]

He seems like a very nice man. I tried reading his website when it first opened, and have heard him on the radio a couple of times, but I don't get much from him that works for me.

This might be as difficult to ask in "words" as it is to answer. It's that my point of view on Infinite Love is that it is Absolute Love and is the only Reality. "Good" and "Evil" which are both judgments and conclusions drawn about someone's so-called actions, are illusions, so neither is part of Reality.

To me, Absolute Love would do no harm to Its Self or Its Otherselves, so I don't see how "evil" could have occurred without an error being committed.

[awakensong]

yh i agree especialy if we do create our own reality and seeing death and suffering everytime we turn on the news does have an impact in our version of reality certainly brings down our frequency

im guessing when they do show us the pictures of iraqi people dead and so it realy has an impact on our mamal brain and frontol lobes the ones tht deal with caring about our fellow brothers and sisters of the world and making us feel guilty or watever the agenda is for tht purpose

lol i havent even started on global warming and all tht tripe

I think we might be talking about different things, not sure. I don't know about feeling "guilty", but like Dustin Hoffman said recently, I'm ashamed to be an American with this going on in the name of this country. It is just too sad and there are very innocent people who are truly suffering because of it.

The sensationalism part, to me, is about the media playing on people's fear, hatred and intolerance engendered by all this "problem - reaction - solution" stuff.

[boston c danmark]

is this.......

If there is only One Oneness, and this One and Only One Consciousness is ONLY Infinite Love, then where would it 'get' the mechanisms to create an evil Matrix in which to enslave itself - and - why would it want to? How would it become "Satanic" or "Draconian" or "Reptilian" if that is not within Its Nature? :confused:

How is it "All Possibility", if within those possibilities are both good and evil, as well as love, fear and hate, etc.... if it is Only Infinite Love, and such things are not possible for All Love? :confused:

I have been studying into this for 2 years and cannot get this question answered. It makes the idea seem a bit schizoid to me, although I'm not trying to refute it - just wanting to understand a lot better. Anyone know?:confused: :confused: :confused:

Cant believe I found something with honest interesting responses.
Wow, where to start... One probably exists in both a form that is in itself another thing, opening up division, and a continuation of all into the depth of infinite illusion. Like a crystal, that is large as it is small, both sizes fit into the one crystal, of any size... which isnt sense to our sense, but thoughtful under a microscope. The same for time, where one begins and what comes next... yet, next is occuring at the same moment...

Anyway, come on then, lets ruin this thread as well with a load of "i dont like you", etc... Only joking, its 42!

[kassondra8]

is this.......

If there is only One Oneness, and this One and Only One Consciousness is ONLY Infinite Love, then where would it 'get' the mechanisms to create an evil Matrix in which to enslave itself - and - why would it want to? How would it become "Satanic" or "Draconian" or "Reptilian" if that is not within Its Nature? :confused:

How is it "All Possibility", if within those possibilities are both good and evil, as well as love, fear and hate, etc.... if it is Only Infinite Love, and such things are not possible for All Love? :confused:

I have been studying into this for 2 years and cannot get this question answered. It makes the idea seem a bit schizoid to me, although I'm not trying to refute it - just wanting to understand a lot better. Anyone know?:confused: :confused: :confused:

It is called infinite "love" because that is the closest English word we have to what our true state is. Love is the desire to be one again, our natural state. This love is not the opposite of hate, it encompasses both. I think it is the direction of your perception that is confusing you, I do it all the time... You can't be a human wondering about the "one" because that is a lie, the opposite of the truth. You are the "one" contemplating your own creation, your own self. Oneness comes first, the true self comes first. Human style "love" and "hate" are just concepts created by that one, or rather, by the division of the one.

I guess this is how I see it....if everything is one then there can be no vibration. Vibration is created when there are two points for energy to pull between. Because the natural state for these points is to be one, the closer they get the faster the vibration until it is so fast it stops and the points are one again. The further apart they are, the more distant from the natural state, the slower the vibration and the more dense. Nothing is solid, everything is simply vibrating energy. The more solid something seems, the slower its energy is vibrating (example - ice, water, and vapor are all the same substance at different vibrations) Only our perception creates the solidity. So, I view all realities as a vibrational projection from the one. Like a beam of light, the farther from the source, the more separated the beam becomes. Meaning, the more polarities and the farther they are apart. The more you are in polarities the more dense your reality is. It is like the one (us) turned itself inside out and all possibility was projected onto the fabric of our infinite imagination.

Everything is within the nature of the one. I think of consciousness as being very eccentric...There are no "bad" and "good" if everything is you. The concepts of bad and good are created by not knowing or understanding who we really are. Therefore they can only exist in density, in separation. As you come out of density (the points of separation coming closer together), vibration quickens and energy rises. ALL energy is information, so as you raise your vibration you increase your energy and you come closer to being centered and understanding your true self.

Did that help at all??