This 9-11 picture

[amethyst]

I wonder how someone could have gotten this shot without being notified ahead of time:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/605/wtcattackla9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Seems obvious.

[who elsie]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is obvious, because the first plane hit the other tower about 15 minutes before this one, so the world and his wife were pointing cameras at the scene as the second plane hit.

If someone caught a similar shot of the first plane hitting the tower, then THAT would be interesting.

[amethyst]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is obvious, because the first plane hit the other tower about 15 minutes before this one, so the world and his wife were pointing cameras at the scene as the second plane hit.

If someone caught a similar shot of the first plane hitting the tower, then THAT would be interesting.

ok, got your point. But the plane being so close to the building....you would have to have your camera focused on that 2nd building for several minutes, right after the first building was 'attacked'......and then, take your snapshot just as the plane "hits" the building

[armoured_amazon]

That ain't no passenger jet, for sure.

[amethyst]

That ain't no passenger jet, for sure.

hehe...the "A" team strikes again :p

[lightgiver]

another angle and view;)
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=C9FAWi_u1hg

and another,
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=c9vlYQ_Hlgo

[armoured_amazon]

another angle and view;)
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=C9FAWi_u1hg

and another,
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=c9vlYQ_Hlgo

Did that person really say "cool" on the second video? (27sec)

[amethyst]

another angle and view;)
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=C9FAWi_u1hg

and another,
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=c9vlYQ_Hlgo

That first video.....wow.

[lightgiver]

Did that person really say "cool" on the second video? (27sec)

i think he says woe(wow) something like that,i must admit some of the plane footage does look fake,this is what got me interested in the no plane theory,because i have seen a lot of footage with wings missing and other abnormalities which cannot be explained,other than holographic technology and fake computer generated images, and like some one said earlier where are these hundreds of photos and eye witness accounts?not even mentioning the pentagram and flight 93?and wtc 7.

one thing is for sure,911 was an inside job.

[moondancer]

I've seen a fair bit on the no plane theory.. I'm open minded. Alot of shots don't look like passenger planes and as we know, it's all dodgy for sure.

People have been on camera saying they lost relatives in one of the 'planes' that hit the towers.. so what does that mean? They are all part of the inside job?

[moondancer]

another angle and view;)
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=C9FAWi_u1hg

On this vid... because the 2nd shot of whatever hit it, is at a different angle.. its hard to tell. But, whats the shadow going across the building? Isnt that the nose part?

[fuggles]

the youtube video

42 views of wtc

[lightgiver]

I've seen a fair bit on the no plane theory.. I'm open minded. Alot of shots don't look like passenger planes and as we know, it's all dodgy for sure.

People have been on camera saying they lost relatives in one of the 'planes' that hit the towers.. so what does that mean? They are all part of the inside job?

do you have any credible links,to the lost relatives family's interviews:)ie,video interviews and eye witness statements backing up the 2nd plane impact video.

[lightgiver]

On this vid... because the 2nd shot of whatever hit it, is at a different angle.. its hard to tell. But, whats the shadow going across the building? Isnt that the nose part?

so where is the nose part wreckage:confused:;)and the remains of the hijackers, any pics.

also after 1st tower was hit,tptb could have not organised a airforce jet to be scrambled?15 minutes?

there where helicopters present on the day quite a few and not one saw that plane coming in until the last few seconds?

[brainfreeze]

I've seen a fair bit on the no plane theory.. I'm open minded. Alot of shots don't look like passenger planes and as we know, it's all dodgy for sure.

People have been on camera saying they lost relatives in one of the 'planes' that hit the towers.. so what does that mean? They are all part of the inside job?

How many millions of dollars did they get for loosing loved ones? I can't remember the figures anymore, but IIRC it was a tidy sum, so much so that one woman even made up a dead realative.

[lightgiver]

and here's some more damning evidence,
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=qeQRnH9xEa0

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=jdB5iMydROM


?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????

[brainfreeze]

so where is the nose part wreckage:confused:;)and the remains of the hijackers, any pics.

also after 1st tower was hit,tptb could have not organised a airforce jet to be scrambled?15 minutes?

there where helicopters present on the day quite a few and not one saw that plane coming in until the last few seconds?

Were'nt some of the hijackers passports convientiently found, intact in the rubble?

[lightgiver]

Were'nt some of the hijackers passports convientiently found, intact in the rubble?
oh yeah;)

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=f7ixuf236Dk

vid here,if it goes missing,do not ask me WHY,been happening on a lot of the vids i post?

[moondancer]

do you have any credible links,to the lost relatives family's interviews:)ie,video interviews and eye witness statements backing up the 2nd plane impact video.

Hiya :) Nope, not to hand. There was a programme on tv, round about the time of this years anniversary about the hotel at the bottom of the towers. A man who had checked in there, told his story and then said he had found out later in the day that his sister and niece were on one of the planes (cant remember which one) heading for a family reunion

I can have a look to see if I can find something though...

By the way, wasnt asking the question as in - I dont believe it was an inside job - I'm just curious about passengers... Were there any? I remember seeing something saying those flights didnt even take off and no passenger lists are recorded.. Just wondered if anyone here knew more details around that area :)

[moondancer]

so where is the nose part wreckage:confused:;)and the remains of the hijackers, any pics.

also after 1st tower was hit,tptb could have not organised a airforce jet to be scrambled?15 minutes?

there where helicopters present on the day quite a few and not one saw that plane coming in until the last few seconds?

I know.. dont get me wrong.. of course its weird no wreckage was found etc etc etc etc.

My comment is simply round just this one vid.. All I was pointing out was the shadow on the building :)

[lightgiver]

I know.. dont get me wrong.. of course its weird no wreckage was found etc etc etc etc.

My comment is simply round just this one vid.. All I was pointing out was the shadow on the building :)

yes i also am thinking the same;)apparently there are some pics of plane wreckage but that does not even tally up:confused:;)

[amethyst]

so where is the nose part wreckage:confused:;)and the remains of the hijackers, any pics.

also after 1st tower was hit,tptb could have not organised a airforce jet to be scrambled?15 minutes?

there where helicopters present on the day quite a few and not one saw that plane coming in until the last few seconds?

Yeah. I wondered that too.

[lightgiver]

Yeah. I wondered that too.

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-2552272004544976567&ei=QlHlSPqxBqbU2gKtnL2nCw&q=zero+an+investigation+into+911&hl=en give the video a minute,before it starts.

911 commision report,?????????????

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6403/wolfsheepzz3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[acebaker]

Every single airplane video looks exactly like a Boeing 767. It is just silly to think they would show us anything but.

They created a single animated flight path in a 3D program like Lightwave. They composited the 767 image into many videos and photos.

It's not a military plane. It's not a missile. It's not a UAV. It's not a Global Hawk. It's not a Sky-Warrior.

It's a Boeing 767, and it's fake. The mistake was allowing the nose to escape the layer mask in Chopper 5. The rest of the videos had to try to explain it away.

Gamma Press showed another nose out. Then it was discovered there was no exit wound. So they had to make it a dust explosion.

[mynameis]

Every single airplane video looks exactly like a Boeing 767. It is just silly to think they would show us anything but.

They created a single animated flight path in a 3D program like Lightwave. They composited the 767 image into many videos and photos.

It's not a military plane. It's not a missile. It's not a UAV. It's not a Global Hawk. It's not a Sky-Warrior.

It's a Boeing 767, and it's fake. The mistake was allowing the nose to escape the layer mask in Chopper 5. The rest of the videos had to try to explain it away.

Gamma Press showed another nose out. Then it was discovered there was no exit wound. So they had to make it a dust explosion.

Who shot this then?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eI8u-I0GWs4

[amethyst]

Every single airplane video looks exactly like a Boeing 767. It is just silly to think they would show us anything but.

They created a single animated flight path in a 3D program like Lightwave. They composited the 767 image into many videos and photos.

It's not a military plane. It's not a missile. It's not a UAV. It's not a Global Hawk. It's not a Sky-Warrior.

It's a Boeing 767, and it's fake. The mistake was allowing the nose to escape the layer mask in Chopper 5. The rest of the videos had to try to explain it away.

Gamma Press showed another nose out. Then it was discovered there was no exit wound. So they had to make it a dust explosion.

Have any info. on the Lightwave 3D program?

[toty1994]

There was a programme on tv, round about the time of this years anniversary about the hotel at the bottom of the towers. A man who had checked in there, told his story and then said he had found out later in the day that his sister and niece were on one of the planes (cant remember which one) heading for a family reunion


It's in this portion of a recent Channel 4 documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nht8mI3VHr0

[pinkfreud]

How many millions of dollars did they get for loosing loved ones? I can't remember the figures anymore, but IIRC it was a tidy sum, so much so that one woman even made up a dead realative.



so what happened to the so called 'pilots' and 'stewardesses' who were supposed to be on those planes? are they in hiding or what.. im really curious, coz i somehow find it hard to believe that the so called victims families- ALL of them, would 'sell off' their loves ones for millions. i understand some would... but all of them? :confused:

[brainfreeze]

so what happened to the so called 'pilots' and 'stewardesses' who were supposed to be on those planes? are they in hiding or what.. im really curious, coz i somehow find it hard to believe that the so called victims families- ALL of them, would 'sell off' their loves ones for millions. i understand some would... but all of them? :confused:

Do you know that they actually existed? How many of the 9 (?) hijackers have been found to be alive?

[pinkfreud]

Do you know that they actually existed? How many of the 9 (?) hijackers have been found to be alive?


i thnk all of them are... i remeber 'loose change' where they said two of those 'hijackers' were even clueless as to why they were bein blamed...

ok so lets presume they didn exist. but what about the crew that was named in the list of deceased? if they're alive, r they in hidin? hmm...

[brainfreeze]

i thnk all of them are... i remeber 'loose change' where they said two of those 'hijackers' were even clueless as to why they were bein blamed...

ok so lets presume they didn exist. but what about the crew that was named in the list of deceased? if they're alive, r they in hidin? hmm...

How many millions would it take for you to agree to a new identity, a new life?

[mr_pixie]

I wonder how someone could have gotten this shot without being notified ahead of time:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/605/wtcattackla9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Seems obvious.

Look at the left wing its see through! :eek:

[banoyes]

How many millions would it take for you to agree to a new identity, a new life?

There were only 264 total people involved .. some were maded up,faked
only 21% are listed in the SSS deaths
getting rid of them would be no problem for these proffesional murderers.
Some perhaps were paid off...but that is very risky
better they disappear

[seercirra]

ok, got your point. But the plane being so close to the building....you would have to have your camera focused on that 2nd building for several minutes, right after the first building was 'attacked'......and then, take your snapshot just as the plane "hits" the building

i think its a shot from a video.

[mynameis]

Look at the left wing its see through! :eek:

If the wing were see through there woud be cross-hatched lines from the WTC that align perfectly with the wing. Also, the outline of the wing is clearly visible and stands out as a different color from the building.

:)

[mr_pixie]

If the wing were see through there woud be cross-hatched lines from the WTC that align perfectly with the wing. Also, the outline of the wing is clearly visible and stands out as a different color from the building.

:)


On the In Plane site dvd I paused it at this frame and was able see the lines from the Aluminium clading from the tower through the wing. How is that possablie?

[amethyst]

Do you know that they actually existed? How many of the 9 (?) hijackers have been found to be alive?

Yeah, probably alive and living it up in dubai or some place like that :rolleyes:

[amethyst]

Look at the left wing its see through! :eek:

And the planes dimensions seem "off'.

[mynameis]

On the In Plane site dvd I paused it at this frame and was able see the lines from the Aluminium clading from the tower through the wing. How is that possablie?

Post a picture to prove it. I don't think you're not seeing what you claim to be seeing.

[brainfreeze]

Tracking the 19 Hijackers. Here we go...

http://www.welfarestate.com/911/

[mr_pixie]

Post a picture to prove it. I don't think you're not seeing what you claim to be seeing.

I carnt post a pic of that because I paused it on my wide screen tv not on a computer. I know what I see with my eyes. Plus it doesnt show up to good on the internet.

[mynameis]

I carnt post a pic of that because I paused it on my wide screen tv not on a computer. I know what I see with my eyes.

You can use any computer and capture a shot and enlarge the photo. I don't care about your tv. Post the picture of your claim.

[mr_pixie]

You can use any computer and capture a shot and enlarge the photo. I don't care about your tv. Post the picture of your claim.

I dont know how to do that mate.

[mynameis]

I dont know how to do that mate.

Try VLC
www.videolan.org/

[pinkfreud]

How many millions would it take for you to agree to a new identity, a new life?


hmm.. u got a point...

thank god that kinda s**t hasnt happened down here... till now :| but who knows?

hard to think so many would settle for a new life of lies.. i mean damn id never wanna have my conscience pricking every minute...

[pinkfreud]

There were only 264 total people involved .. some were maded up,faked
only 21% are listed in the SSS deaths
getting rid of them would be no problem for these proffesional murderers.
Some perhaps were paid off...but that is very risky
better they disappear


yeah i think killing them off would've seemed like a better solution for those jerks... coz trying to keep so many people quiet really is risky..

my guess is 9/11 served the reptilians a dual purpose: 'anti islamic' propaganda for one... and mass sacrifice, that is if any people did die :S at least those in wtc...

[pinkfreud]

Look at the left wing its see through! :eek:

it isnt. itz just the angle

[banoyes]

it isnt. itz just the angle

Is it??
the wing is all messed up
so what ever conclusion you want to come to
it's just an opinion
but you can't say "it isnt. itz just the angle "
like it was a FACT...geeeezzzee

[mynameis]

Is it??
the wing is all messed up
so what ever conclusion you want to come to
it's just an opinion
but you can't say "it isnt. itz just the angle "
like it was a FACT...geeeezzzee

Forgive banoyes, he may not have 100% normal function in most areas like normal people.

[endlessvista]

ok, got your point. But the plane being so close to the building....you would have to have your camera focused on that 2nd building for several minutes, right after the first building was 'attacked'......and then, take your snapshot just as the plane "hits" the building

I think it is a still from a video. Not a photo.

[endlessvista]

That ain't no passenger jet, for sure.

Oh course not... It's a double decker bus. :rolleyes:

[lightgiver]

9/11 Plane Fraud

Newton's First Law of Motion
Objects tend to "keep on doing what they're doing" (unless acted upon by an unbalanced force).

Newton's Third Law of Motion:
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
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How could two large wide-bodied aluminum jetliners penetrate massive steel towers and disappear with no deceleration visible, no plane wreckage visible in gashes and none knocked to the ground below the impact zone?

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/7741/towerholesqv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[lightgiver]

these are american airlines

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8784/767dihedralae7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

is this?????

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4370/7372do1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[lightgiver]

and what about this;);)

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/561/dihedralissuezx7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[mynameis]

How could two large wide-bodied aluminum jetliners penetrate massive steel towers and disappear with no deceleration visible, no plane wreckage visible in gashes and none knocked to the ground below the impact zone?


The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. There is photographs of wreckage found and those which were buried in the rubble.

Kevin Monahan was among the first on-duty firefighters at the scene. ''It was full of rubble, with bodies buried alive,'' he said. ''Everything is leveled. It's a mess of wood from the houses, and plane parts and body parts.''

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E01E5D61038F930A25752C1A9679C8B 63


Your photograph above isn't to scale.

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4370/7372do1.jpg

You did notice the exterior of the wtc plane and the 737 are different right?

[lightgiver]

Oh course not... It's a double decker bus. :rolleyes:

of course not ;) it was a flying pig.

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/930/gk324flyingpigrgbfinallsw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[lightgiver]

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. There is photographs of wreckage found and those which were buried in the rubble.



http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E01E5D61038F930A25752C1A9679C8B 63

could you post pics:confused:;) and not the links:rolleyes:

what as flight 587 got to do with this????????

[mynameis]

could you post pics:confused:;) and not the links:rolleyes:

what as flight 587 got to do with this????????

I don't follow. I posted a news article from a witness to the plane debris.

[lightgiver]

I don't follow. I posted a news article from a witness to the plane debris.

sometimes i cannot be arsed,911 was an inside job,planes or no planes.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9160/bushcheneycorpcrimwr2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

witness to plane debris for flight 587?????? what as this got to do with 911,i have a question where are all the bodies from flight 93?????

[lightgiver]

A Breaking report claims Barbara Olson was found on the Polish-German border. If that story holds up it brings further questioning of AFIP reports and the government 9/11 conspiracy story:

http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/OlsenArrested.htm

A portion of the alleged Flight 77 passenger list:

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3426/olsonlistcuq0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[brainfreeze]

url not found

[lightgiver]

url not found

you will have to search for it;)but in the meanwhile,that cnn lot again:rolleyes:;)

Late in the day on 9/11, CNN put out a story that began: “Barbara Olson, a conservative commentator and attorney, alerted her husband, Solicitor General Ted Olson, that the plane she was on was being hijacked Tuesday morning, Ted Olson told CNN.” According to this story, Olson reported that his wife had “called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77,” saying that “all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers. The only weapons she mentioned were knives and cardboard cutters.”2

Ted Olson’s report was very important. It provided the only evidence that American 77, which was said to have struck the Pentagon, had still been aloft after it had disappeared from FAA radar around 9:00 AM (there had been reports, after this disappearance, that an airliner had crashed on the Ohio-Kentucky border). Also, Barbara Olson had been a very well-known commentator on CNN. The report that she died in a plane that had been hijacked by Arab Muslims was an important factor in getting the nation’s support for the Bush administration’s “war on terror.” Ted Olson’s report was important in still another way, being the sole source of the widely accepted idea that the hijackers had box cutters.3

However, although Ted Olson’s report of phone calls from his wife has been a central pillar of the official account of 9/11, this report has been completely undermined.

Olson’s Self-Contradictions

Olson began this process of undermining by means of self-contradictions. He first told CNN, as we have seen, that his wife had “called him twice on a cell phone.” But he contradicted this claim on September 14, telling Hannity and Colmes that she had reached him by calling the Department of Justice collect. Therefore, she must have been using the “airplane phone,” he surmised, because “she somehow didn’t have access to her credit cards.”4 However, this version of Olson’s story, besides contradicting his first version, was even self-contradictory, because a credit card is needed to activate a passenger-seat phone.

Later that same day, moreover, Olson told Larry King Live that the second call from his wife suddenly went dead because “the signals from cell phones coming from airplanes don’t work that well.”5 After that return to his first version, he finally settled on the second version, saying that his wife had called collect and hence must have used “the phone in the passengers’ seats” because she did not have her purse.6

By finally settling on this story, Olson avoided a technological pitfall. Given the cell phone system employed in 2001, high-altitude cell phone calls from airliners were impossible, or at least virtually so (Olson’s statement that “the signals from cell phones coming from airplanes don’t work that well” was a considerable understatement). The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created until 2004.7

However, Olson’s second story, besides being self-contradictory, was contradicted by American Airlines.

American Airlines Contradicts Olson’s Second Version

A 9/11 researcher, knowing that AA Flight 77 was a Boeing 757, noticed that AA’s website indicated that its 757s do not have passenger-seat phones. After he wrote to ask if that had been the case on September 11, 2001, an AA customer service representative replied: “That is correct; we do not have phones on our Boeing 757. The passengers on flight 77 used their own personal cellular phones to make out calls during the terrorist attack.”8

In response to this revelation, defenders of the official story might reply that Ted Olson was evidently right the first time: she had used her cell phone. However, besides the fact that this scenario is rendered unlikely by the cell phone technology employed in 2001, it has also been contradicted by the FBI.

Olson’s Story Contradicted by the FBI

The most serious official contradiction of Ted Olson’s story came in 2006 at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker. The evidence presented to this trial by the FBI included a report on phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. In its report on American Flight 77, the FBI report attributed only one call to Barbara Olson and it was an “unconnected call,” which (of course) lasted “0 seconds.”9 According to the FBI, therefore, Ted Olson did not receive a single call from his wife using either a cell phone or an onboard phone.

Back on 9/11, the FBI itself had interviewed Olson. A report of that interview indicates that Olson told the FBI agents that his wife had called him twice from Flight 77.10 And yet the FBI’s report on calls from Flight 77, presented in 2006, indicated that no such calls occurred.

This was an amazing development: The FBI is part of the Department of Justice, and yet its report undermined the well-publicized claim of the DOJ’s former solicitor general that he had received two calls from his wife on 9/11.

Olson’s Story Also Rejected by Pentagon Historians

Ted Olson’s story has also been quietly rejected by the historians who wrote Pentagon 9/11, a treatment of the Pentagon attack put out by the Department of Defense.11

According to Olson, his wife had said that “all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers.”12 This is an inherently implausible scenario. We are supposed to believe that 60-some people, including the two pilots, were held at bay by three or four men (one or two of the hijackers would have been in the cockpit) with knives and boxcutters. This scenario becomes even more absurd when we realize that the alleged hijackers were all small, unathletic men (the 9/11 Commission pointed out that even “[t]he so-called muscle hijackers actually were not physically imposing, as the majority of them were between 5’5” and 5’7” in height and slender in build”13), and that the pilot, Charles “Chic” Burlingame, was a weightlifter and a boxer, who was described as “really tough” by one of his erstwhile opponents.14 Also, the idea that Burlingame would have turned over the plane to hijackers was rejected by his brother, who said: “I don't know what happened in that cockpit, but I'm sure that they would have had to incapacitate him or kill him because he would have done anything to prevent the kind of tragedy that befell that airplane.”15

The Pentagon historians, in any case, did not accept the Olson story, according to which Burlingame and his co-pilot did give up their plane and were in the back with the passengers and other crew members. They instead wrote that “the attackers either incapacitated or murdered the two pilots.”16

Conclusion

This rejection of Ted Olson’s story by American Airlines, the Pentagon, and especially the FBI is a development of utmost importance. Without the alleged calls from Barbara Olson, there is no evidence that Flight 77 returned to Washington. Also, if Ted Olson’s claim was false, then there are only two possibilities: Either he lied or he was duped by someone using voice-morphing technology to pretend to be his wife.17 In either case, the official story about the calls from Barbara Olson was based on deception. And if that part of the official account of 9/11 was based on deception, should we not suspect that other parts were as well?

The fact that Ted Olson’s report has been contradicted by other defenders of the official story about 9/11 provides grounds for demanding a new investigation of 9/11. This internal contradiction is, moreover, only one of 25 such contradictions discussed in my most recent book, 9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press.

[mynameis]

From People's Attorney/Volks-Anwalt,
Wolfram Grätz
9-24-5

Hello Tom,

There appears to be a serious problem geographically with your story about Barbara Olsen's arrest at the Polish-Austrian border, . . . B-E-C-A-U-S-E . . . Poland and Austria have NO common / no joining border.

Between the nations of Poland and Austria there is the Czech Republic and further East is Slovakia in between. I have provided a political map of Europe for you to study the geography, and therefore, your story is somehow WRONG, or the people, who told you about it, do NOT KNOW the basic 1x1 in geography, which is typical for un-educated Americans.

So, please tell us, from what type of REAL IDIOTS did you get this story?

Wolfram Graetz
in Washington, DC


http://www.rense.com/general67/olsen.htm

http://www.mapsofworld.com/austria/maps/austria-map.jpg

[endlessvista]

and what about this;);)

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/561/dihedralissuezx7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

But that can't be really that credible. The profile of the wings could of been distorted by the impact. In fact, that just what this looks like - they folded up upon impact as they collasped backwards. That would more than account for the different angle.

Sorry but that is just wild speculation and not real evidence.

I am not arguing for the sake of it - but I have seen no hard evidence to date which proves 90% of what the 911 truthers come out with. The ony thing I find that is truly odd and does seem stinky is the collaspe of building 7.

(Watch I'll be called a Freemason for not unconditionally buying into the 911 'Inside Job' religion...)

[tinmenace]

This is my biggest problem right here:

http://spiritual-nature.com/images/pentagonholequestion.jpg

[mynameis]

This is my biggest problem right here:

http://spiritual-nature.com/images/pentagonholequestion.jpg

Or this hole....oh wait....:confused:

http://911review.org/Wget/investigate911.batcave.net/6-4ba.jpg

[lightgiver]

From People's Attorney/Volks-Anwalt,
Wolfram Grätz
9-24-5

Hello Tom,

There appears to be a serious problem geographically with your story about Barbara Olsen's arrest at the Polish-Austrian border, . . . B-E-C-A-U-S-E . . . Poland and Austria have NO common / no joining border.

Between the nations of Poland and Austria there is the Czech Republic and further East is Slovakia in between. I have provided a political map of Europe for you to study the geography, and therefore, your story is somehow WRONG, or the people, who told you about it, do NOT KNOW the basic 1x1 in geography, which is typical for un-educated Americans.

So, please tell us, from what type of REAL IDIOTS did you get this story?

Wolfram Graetz
in Washington, DC


http://www.rense.com/general67/olsen.htm

http://www.mapsofworld.com/austria/maps/austria-map.jpg

just trying to put the pieces together;)

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/7430/brabaraolsonph5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



9-11 crash victim Barbara Olson arrested in Europe

by Tom Flocco

Germany--September 22, 2005--TomFlocco.com--French and American intelligence agents have arrested Barbara Olson, the wife of a former Bush administration official, a few days ago on the Polish-German border, according to agents close to and with knowledge of the incident.

The alleged 9.11 Pentagon crash victim was found to be in possession of millions in fake interbank Italian lyra currency, according to the agents.

Olson was also reportedly in possession of a fraudulent Vatican passport and was held on charges of counterfeiting.

Barbara K. Olson

The former Fox News TV commentator and Independent Women's Forum activist was said to have called her husband Theodore Olson from her plane to seek help in countering hijackers who had allegedly taken over American flight 77 which the Bush administration said was crashed into the Pentagon- although the impact only left an opening approximately 16 feet across.

Ted Olson is the former Bush 43 Solicitor General who had previously argued the President's legal interests in the controversial Bush-Gore 2000 election recount case before the U.S. Supreme Court.
Theodore (Ted) B. Olson

Mrs. Olson's alleged cell phone call to her husband was employed by the administration and the 9.11 Commission as partial proof that American 77 crashed into the Pentagon, despite physical evidence to the contrary.

The Pentagon crash evidence was ignored and obstructed by both the Commission and previously by the Joint Congressional Intelligence Committee in its own separate probe.

Due to the ongoing sensitive nature of the arrest, investigation and questioning, one source who declined to be named for this story, told TomFlocco.com that Olson's call to her husband was a fraud and that another projectile impacted the Pentagon other than Olson's plane.

The agents were said to have closed in to arrest the former television pundit because the evidence of counterfeiting and passport violations was obvious and that the timing was right.

According to the agents, Barbara Olson is reportedly considered to be a conspirator to the obstruction of justice in the mass murders of 3,000 individuals on September 11, 2001 in the attacks on the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and the alleged crash in southwestern Pennsylvania.

Olson's arrest and potential appearance at trial in the United States would undoubtedly have a profound impact upon current "Able Danger" hearings in the Senate and past probes by both the Joint Congressional Intelligence Committee and the 9.11 Commission.

[We have changed the location of this report to the Polish-German border to correct the original phoned-in intelligence report we received.
When we went back and questioned this location, We were given the Polish-German border as the correct location.
The spelling of Olson’s name was corrected within 60 minutes after the story was posted. TF]

MORE INFORMATION about Barbara Olson and her death at the Pentagon on 9-11:

Barbara Kay Olson (December 27, 1955 - September 11, 2001) was a conservative American television commentator who worked for FOX News, CNN and several other outlets.

She was married to United States Solicitor General Theodore Olson. In the mid 1990s, she was a chief investigator for the House Government Reform Committee. She was later a staff lawyer for Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles, before branching out on her own as a TV commentator and private lawyer. She was a frequent critic of the Clinton administration and wrote a book about Hillary Rodham Clinton, Hell to Pay: The Unfolding Story of Hillary Rodham Clinton. She was working on her second book, The Final Days: The Last, Desperate Abuses of Power by the Clinton White House (published December 2001) when she died. She had been a professional ballet dancer when younger, and had also been a prosecutor.

She was a passenger on board American Airlines flight 77 when it was flown into the Pentagon in the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack. She had reported the hijacking to her husband twice by phone about 20 minutes before the plane hit the Pentagon. She was 45 when she died.

She was the subject of an eulogy by her husband at the Federalist Society on November 16, 2001. The occasion was the launching of the annual Barbara K. Olson Memorial Lectures. These lectures have a theme of "Limited Government and the Spirit of Freedom", to quote from the Society's website.

[mynameis]

just trying to put the pieces together;)



9-11 crash victim Barbara Olson arrested in Europe

by Tom Flocco

Germany--September 22, 2005--TomFlocco.com--French and American intelligence agents have arrested Barbara Olson, the wife of a former Bush administration official, a few days ago on the Polish-German border, according to agents close to and with knowledge of the incident.

The alleged 9.11 Pentagon crash victim was found to be in possession of millions in fake interbank Italian lyra currency, according to the agents.

Olson was also reportedly in possession of a fraudulent Vatican passport and was held on charges of counterfeiting.

Barbara K. Olson

Quite interesting because the Rense disagrees so does educate yourself and you can't find the page. Neither Rense or Flocco seem credible. So, who is lying? At this point it is clear to me you are being disingenuous. Have a good weekend. I will no longer reply to your ignorance on this subject.


9-11 Crash Victim Barbara Olsen Arrested In Europe
by Tom Flocco


Austria--September 22, 2005--TomFlocco.com--French and American intelligence agents have arrested Barbara Olsen, the wife of a former Bush administration official, a few days ago on the Polish-Austrian border, according to agents close to and with knowledge of the incident.

The alleged 9.11 Pentagon crash victim was found to be in possession of millions in fake interbank Italian lyra currency, according to the agents.

Olsen was also reportedly in possession of a fraudulent Vatican passport and was held on charges of counterfeiting.


http://www.rense.com/general67/olsen.htm

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/barbaraolsenstoryfromtomflocco23sep05.shtml

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3617

And on a final note this is the person who edited that post from austria to germany three days later. It seems Mary Schneider is a fictitious entity not unlike Sorcha Faal. It should also be pointed out not one source name is given for the record or locations, as to be expected from hoaxers.

Mary Schneider
mary@maryschneider.us
9-25-5

In reference to Tom Flocco's explosive article blowing out of the water the massive deceptions and illusions of the Bush/Clinton Illuminati NWO PNAC criminal traitor cabal:

BREAKING: 9-11 crash victim Barbara Olson arrested in Europe

French and American intelligence agents have arrested Barbara Olson, the wife of a former Bush administration official, a few days ago on the Polish-German border, according to agents close to and with knowledge of the incident.

[lightgiver]

[We have changed the location of this report to the Polish-German border to correct the original phoned-in intelligence report we received.
When we went back and questioned this location, We were given the Polish-German border as the correct location.
The spelling of Olson’s name was corrected within 60 minutes after the story was posted. TF]

do read all of it;)

everybody as different theories and none of us will know the true facts until there is another investigation,so i am done with this, all know is that

911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB.

just before i go,

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3633/pentagonhole2oj9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

all for oil, power and control

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/5624/8034142waldieianiraqoilgw6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[lightgiver]

But that can't be really that credible. The profile of the wings could of been distorted by the impact. In fact, that just what this looks like - they folded up upon impact as they collasped backwards. That would more than account for the different angle.

Sorry but that is just wild speculation and not real evidence.

I am not arguing for the sake of it - but I have seen no hard evidence to date which proves 90% of what the 911 truthers come out with. The ony thing I find that is truly odd and does seem stinky is the collaspe of building 7.

(Watch I'll be called a Freemason for not unconditionally buying into the 911 'Inside Job' religion...)

just trying to find the truth,because tptb are not telling the truth.

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5837/towerholesan3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[lightgiver]

url not found

who does know what happened to barbara olsen??? maybe her hubby?

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=7_2HsqxuUH4

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=MUIcyp1JTF4

sone one is telling porkys?and removing the vids again?

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=EJA2zH1gc1Q

[hw spartan]

sone one is telling porkys?and removing the vids again?

haha porky's.. hahaha man stop it...haha

been happening to mine also.. but i think its lag..not sure
PS; sorry i aint going to comment on thread..
my bad

porky's hahahaha:)

[stelios]

fake interbank Italian lyra

what is this?
firstly Italy uses EUROS but when they had LIRA not LYRA they were virtally worthless, not even the mafia used to bother forging them
and what is 'interbank' because i dont know of any money that is traded solely between banks

the whole story is BS and deliberate disinformation for the entrapment of truthers.
Interpol would not put a warrent out for someone they believe to be dead anyway.
Europe is Shengan, so they cross each others borders freely without showing papers.

[smurf]

I wonder how someone could have gotten this shot without being notified ahead of time:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/605/wtcattackla9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Seems obvious.

I, too, believe that it was an inside job. But, that is a still from a video shown on tv.

[moondancer]

It's in this portion of a recent Channel 4 documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nht8mI3VHr0

Thanks :)

[talulah]

By an inside job do you mean he amerians did it?i thought everyone tippled to that ages ago.Americans want oil -bomb theyre own people to make it look like musleum terrorists-people now hate terrorists-america steals oil and tramples all over iraq.No mystery to it is there?

[tracker]

I wonder how someone could have gotten this shot without being notified ahead of time:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/605/wtcattackla9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Seems obvious.

note the dark patch under the airplane under carriage .

i wonder what that is?

:cool:

[mynameis]

It's in this portion of a recent Channel 4 documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nht8mI3VHr0

Thanks for sharing the title of the documentary. I'm unsure if I am familiar with this, perhaps at one point I was going to watch it and decided not to watch it. I'm glad you posted it. I think what she was referring to is in part four.

[lightgiver]

But that can't be really that credible. The profile of the wings could of been distorted by the impact. In fact, that just what this looks like - they folded up upon impact as they collasped backwards. That would more than account for the different angle.

Sorry but that is just wild speculation and not real evidence.

I am not arguing for the sake of it - but I have seen no hard evidence to date which proves 90% of what the 911 truthers come out with. The ony thing I find that is truly odd and does seem stinky is the collaspe of building 7.

(Watch I'll be called a Freemason for not unconditionally buying into the 911 'Inside Job' religion...)

so you do not believe 90% of truthers,so that must mean you believe 90% of what the mainstream media,the american and british government tell you,no hard evidence that is a narrow view,either that or you are blind.

wild speculation my arse,the only wild speculation i see is believing the official 911 commision story,do take your blinkers off.

and if you think wtc7 was dodgy,why not the whole 911 affair?what you have said is a contradiction,but i have noticed a lot of none truthers contradict themselves:p

the only religion on this planet is the shit pumped out on a daily basis by TPTB.

[lightgiver]

Quite interesting because the Rense disagrees so does educate yourself and you can't find the page. Neither Rense or Flocco seem credible. So, who is lying? At this point it is clear to me you are being disingenuous. Have a good weekend. I will no longer reply to your ignorance on this subject.

reply to you nemesis,

i am not disingenuous,do not try to belittle me,what makes you so right:confused:.

you source the info where i source it,so you to could be disingenuous,all i want is the truth of the single biggest mass murder in history minus the bombs they dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and all the other bombs dropped by america on the rest of the world.

so do try and get off your high horse.:p:p:p

[mr_pixie]

it isnt. Itz just the angle

Lol!

[moondancer]

Thanks for sharing the title of the documentary. I'm unsure if I am familiar with this, perhaps at one point I was going to watch it and decided not to watch it. I'm glad you posted it. I think what she was referring to is in part four.

Yes.. I think you're right he does goes on to say a bit more about them later.. I think. (I thought he was meeting up with them for a family thing, but that must have been someone else.)

He does mention them in this clip too though :)

[amethyst]

note the dark patch under the airplane under carriage .

i wonder what that is?

:cool:

What do you think it might be?

[endlessvista]

so you do not believe 90% of truthers,so that must mean you believe 90% of what the mainstream media,the american and british government tell you,no hard evidence that is a narrow view,either that or you are blind.


I said 90% of their evidence I find unconvincing and speculative. That's not the same thing as calling them liars.

wild speculation my arse,the only wild speculation i see is believing the official 911 commision story,do take your blinkers off.

The reason for that is what I beleive is the real conspiricy - that being for all their defense budgets, prior warnings, the US administration diplayed incompetence on a level that was equal in devasation to the attack itself. Bush and his crew failed miserably to protect their own citizens. This for me is the real cover up. Useless morons such as Condeleeza Rice failing the US public they are meant to serve and protect.

and if you think wtc7 was dodgy,why not the whole 911 affair?what you have said is a contradiction,but i have noticed a lot of none truthers contradict themselves:p


Part of me wonders if they "pulled" that building in order to make Ground Zero safe so they could go in a rescue any suvivors. They kept this quiet as it may have involved possibly sacrificing people in building 7.

[cheeney1]

I said 90% of their evidence I find unconvincing and speculative. That's not the same thing as calling them liars.



The reason for that is what I beleive is the real conspiricy - that being for all their defense budgets, prior warnings, the US administration diplayed incompetence on a level that was equal in devasation to the attack itself. Bush and his crew failed miserably to protect their own citizens. This for me is the real cover up. Useless morons such as Condeleeza Rice failing the US public they are meant to serve and protect.




Part of me wonders if they "pulled" that building in order to make Ground Zero safe so they could go in a rescue any suvivors. They kept this quiet as it may have involved possibly sacrificing people in building 7.

yeah but it would take days for them to prepare a Building ready For Demolition not Minutes and Building 7 Fell excactly the same way The Trade Centre Building Fell, Controlled Demolition to cover up any evidence

[endlessvista]

yeah but it would take days for them to prepare a Building ready For Demolition not Minutes and Building 7 Fell excactly the same way The Trade Centre Building Fell, Controlled Demolition to cover up any evidence

Well I have to agree with you on the first part. As for the controlled demolition of the twin towers it did not look like that to me in any of the videos. Both buildings buckled and split at impact/fire point. This would suggest structural failure at the impact area and not charges going off underneath. They do appear to blow out, but this can be explained by the millions of tons of steel, cement and office furniture above them just crashing down on the burnt-out "gap" left by the impact and fire.

Unless a smart bomb was delivered into the top of each tower which would of been hidden by the smoke then MAYBE the Inside Job Brigade may have a point. But again I see no evidence of Stealth Bombers flying over Manhattan delivering smart bombs from above into the elevator shafts of WTC 1 and 2. That's really the only way they could of taken the buildings out and they fall in the way they did.

There were no detonations visible below the impact sites and in every video the top of the buildings seem to just 'crush' there way down. I look at most of the video evidence and see nothing that the "truthers" appear to see. Again I am not being an argumentative tit for the sake of it. I am just telling you how I feel based on the so called "inside Job" evidence.

[dangermouse]

it could only be an inside job ... most on this forum agree on that

[cheeney1]

it could only be an inside job ... most on this forum agree on that

yes certainly but what caused it is another story, people keep forgetting 3000 people died

[amethyst]

yes certainly but what caused it is another story, people keep forgetting 3000 people died

I knew someone who was almost one of those "3000". They were very fortunate.

[stelios]

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/robotplane.jpg

Ok this is an example of a military plane which is flown buy remote control.
Notice underneath it has the dark section.

As we already know the 911 mastermind Dov Zakheim was the boss of a company called Systems Planning Corporation (SPC), a high-technology research, analysis, and manufacturing firm. In May 2001, Zakheim was made Under Secretary of Defense.
Dov Zakheim's company produces advanced Command Transmitter Systems, designed to provide "remote control and flight termination functions through a fully redundant, self-contained solid state system." Designed to control unmanned flights. As you can see the official photos do show dark patches which could be this device.

The only reason people try and say there were no planes that went into the WTC is because this would let Dov Zakheim and the Israelis off the hook from being guilty of the crime.

Everyone agrees that a missile not a plane hit the Pentagon. Dov Zakheim coincidentally is also a ballistic missile expert as well as an ordained Rabbi.

What do you think it might be?

[pinkfreud]

Lol!

yep. 'lol' indeed :rolleyes: especially when you'd think one wing would be transparent and the other 'opaque' enough..?

Lol! :D

[lightgiver]

By an inside job do you mean he amerians did it?i thought everyone tippled to that ages ago.Americans want oil -bomb theyre own people to make it look like musleum terrorists-people now hate terrorists-america steals oil and tramples all over iraq.No mystery to it is there?

spot on;):D

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9160/bushcheneycorpcrimwr2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

does anybody trust these 2:confused:

[eclecticspirit]

note the dark patch under the airplane under carriage .

i wonder what that is?

:cool:

Notice the angle of the sun - it's shining from the right. The plane is tipped downward on the left side, with the right wing high enough that the underside of the wing is brightly lit by the sunlight. Now, think about the placement of the right engine.
I believe that the dark spot directly between the wings on the underbelly of the plane is the shadow being cast by the plane's right engine. It would obviously cast a shadow on something, and with the tilt of the plane like it is, the underbelly provides the perfect surface for it.

[banoyes]

Well I have to agree with you on the first part. As for the controlled demolition of the twin towers it did not look like that to me in any of the videos. Both buildings buckled and split at impact/fire point. This would suggest structural failure at the impact area and not charges going off underneath. They do appear to blow out, but this can be explained by the millions of tons of steel, cement and office furniture above them just crashing down on the burnt-out "gap" left by the impact and fire.

The most notable thing I have observed on this forum is the tenor of posters who spew absolute garbage,as if they were well versed,and in fact may be considered expert
This post is a perfect example.
Not one word written above is true,a complete fabrication, it's as if he has never watch a single video of the dustification of the towers,,but
he sells his trash as if it were gold

Unless a smart bomb was delivered into the top of each tower which would of been hidden by the smoke then MAYBE the Inside Job Brigade may have a point. But again I see no evidence of Stealth Bombers flying over Manhattan delivering smart bombs from above into the elevator shafts of WTC 1 and 2. That's really the only way they could of taken the buildings out and they fall in the way they did.
The buildings did not fall...watch any video
again the superior attitude delivering complete nonsense.
The "only way",absolutes are a tell

There were no detonations visible below the impact sites and in every video the top of the buildings seem to just 'crush' there way down. I look at most of the video evidence and see nothing that the "truthers" appear to see. Again I am not being an argumentative tit for the sake of it. I am just telling you how I feel based on the so called "inside Job" evidence.

"'crush' there way down" the OCT PanakeTheory,,debunked years ago
Any video of the destruction will show "squibs" of explosives below the impact area
No you not being argumentive , you are being disingenuous
The "squibs" are visable to all except you. selective vision?
Every word is an affront to any person who has really looked at the videos
and I am telling you ,What I Know!
Hard to think there are people like this,tools of the NWO

[endlessvista]

No you not being argumentive , you are being disingenuous
The "squibs" are visable to all except you. selective vision?
Every word is an affront to any person who has really looked at the videos
and I am telling you ,What I Know!
Hard to think there are people like this,tools of the NWO

It was only a matter of time I guess.:rolleyes:

[banoyes]

It was only a matter of time I guess.:rolleyes:

Why don't you take your eye and toddle of to the lodge.
Maybe you can devise some other way to create confusion and chaos
but
I'll be looking for ya

[endlessvista]

Why don't you take your eye and toddle of to the lodge.
Maybe you can devise some other way to create confusion and chaos
but
I'll be looking for ya

Yes that's really going to give this forum credibility as soon as someone shows any sign of curious thinking beyond the accepted paradaigm they are labeled instantly a Mason.

I had no idea that David Icke was creating a prision religion here with a dogmatic faith based system were nothing is to be in any way questioned.

You're an embrassement to all free thinking.

[banoyes]

Yes that's really going to give this forum credibility as soon as someone shows any sign of curious thinking beyond the accepted paradaigm they are labeled instantly a Mason.

I had no idea that David Icke was creating a prision religion here with a dogmatic faith based system were nothing is to be in any way questioned.

You're an embrassement to all free thinking.
You showed no signs of curiousity.. quite the opposite
you spew trash as if it was gold,you doned the cloak of the earned \
now you pretend you are looking, when in fact you were telling...telling lies
so
are you a Freemason...this is one of their strengths
Telling Big Lies
that's the reason I labeled you Mason
you saked NO QUESTIONS
now my question
Are you a Freemason??

[endlessvista]

You showed no signs of curiousity.. quite the opposite
you spew trash as if it was gold,you doned the cloak of the earned \
now you pretend you are looking, when in fact you were telling...telling lies
so
are you a Freemason...this is one of their strengths
Telling Big Lies
that's the reason I labeled you Mason
you saked NO QUESTIONS
now my question
Are you a Freemason??

Nope, would not even know were to join if I did.

Show me any lies I have told. I just do not buy into your 9-11 dogma as I have seen no more evidence of an inside job than I have of Jesus rising from the dead. Simple as that.

[banoyes]

Nope, would not even know were to join if I did.

Show me any lies I have told. I just do not buy into your 9-11 dogma as I have seen no more evidence of an inside job than I have of Jesus rising from the dead. Simple as that.
Look at post #94
everything you said about the destruction of the towers was a lie
yet
you pretended you had knowledge
You don't
you lied and now pretend some more
Nothing more to say to you
just know that there are people who have been doing this a long time
and they spot bullshit easily

[kamakazi]

The most notable thing I have observed on this forum is the tenor of posters who spew absolute garbage,as if they were well versed,and in fact may be considered expert
This post is a perfect example.
Not one word written above is true,a complete fabrication, it's as if he has never watch a single video of the dustification of the towers,,but
he sells his trash as if it were gold

The buildings did not fall...watch any video
again the superior attitude delivering complete nonsense.
The "only way",absolutes are a tell

"'crush' there way down" the OCT PanakeTheory,,debunked years ago
Any video of the destruction will show "squibs" of explosives below the impact area
No you not being argumentive , you are being disingenuous
The "squibs" are visable to all except you. selective vision?
Every word is an affront to any person who has really looked at the videos
and I am telling you ,What I Know!
Hard to think there are people like this,tools of the NWO

these guys are becoming way too obvious i dont see how anyone on here cant see straight through their bullshit lies and disinformation by now. they actually opened me up to the possibility of the whole NPT because of how strongly against it they were and the constant need to try debunk it (thanks guys!). there actually seems to be more of them than there are regular users. whatever happened to christophera did he get fired? lol keep going guys your doing an awesome job...

Nope, would not even know were to join if I did.

Show me any lies I have told. I just do not buy into your 9-11 dogma as I have seen no more evidence of an inside job than I have of Jesus rising from the dead. Simple as that.

LOL

[endlessvista]

So it is official. the 9-11 Movement is now a religion. Well done lads, you have completely wrecked any chance of the real truth coming out now that you have all signed up to a faith-based concept.

PS: look at my other posts other than this thread for proof that I am a "mason!!!!" - not that it matters to mindless fanatics anyways...

[banoyes]

So it is official. the 9-11 Movement is now a religion. Well done lads, you have completely wrecked any chance of the real truth coming out now that you have all signed up to a faith-based concept.


LAst message to this fine fellow...he gets so caught up in his deceptions, he doesn't know what he said
Read the above, he's worried about the 9-11 Movement
Wow seems very real
now this

Show me any lies I have told. I just do not buy into your 9-11 dogma as I have seen no more evidence of an inside job than I have of Jesus rising from the dead. Simple as that.
7 years and he sees no evidence!!??
So...whats he doing here???
Spreading BS
Unfortunately for him...he is busted



PS: look at my other posts other than this thread for proof that I am a "mason!!!!" - not that it matters to mindless fanatics anyways...


You don't have to be a Freemason to be a stooge for the NWO

Show me any lies I have told. .
Any of your posts on this thread
Adious

[thematrix]

Yes that's really going to give this forum credibility as soon as someone shows any sign of curious thinking beyond the accepted paradaigm they are labeled instantly a Mason.

I had no idea that David Icke was creating a prision religion here with a dogmatic faith based system were nothing is to be in any way questioned.

You're an embrassement to all free thinking.

Thats just banoyes modus operandii.

Loudly insult people and accuse them of being a stooge for the NWO a Mason or whatever if they have an alternative view to the theories that he advocates loudly.


they actually opened me up to the possibility of the whole NPT because of how strongly against it they were and the constant need to try debunk it (thanks guys!)

Thats sad :(

If you choose to believe in the NPT then thats your decision - but please at the very least think for yourself and make up your mind based on what evidence there is and not because "it's debunked so loudly"

Yes it's *possible* that no planes were used - but so far the evidence stacks up against it. Look at the evidence - and *think for yourself*

[pinkfreud]

Thats just banoyes modus operandii.

Loudly insult people and accuse them of being a stooge for the NWO a Mason or whatever if they have an alternative view to the theories that he advocates loudly.



Thats sad :(

If you choose to believe in the NPT then thats your decision - but please at the very least think for yourself and make up your mind based on what evidence there is and not because "it's debunked so loudly"

Yes it's *possible* that no planes were used - but so far the evidence stacks up against it. Look at the evidence - and *think for yourself*



yeah matrix.

was just readin the posts and banoeyes comes across as a more 'fervent' mason than anyone else. why try so damn hard to label someone a tool of the nwo if all he's doing is expressing his opinion?

[endlessvista]

Thats just banoyes modus operandii.

Fair enough, I should not have tarnished the forum with his behaviour. He just got on my tits with the whole "you're a mason!!!!!...NWO stooge!!" for no other reason than me not automatically buying into the 'inside job' concept. To be fair. even people who disagree with me on this thread have been mainly polite.

Like I am saying all along, I am still trying to figure out what happened on 9-11 and as yet have not thrown my towel in with any side except having unconditional sympathy for the victims. I am still searching, looking for answers and it pisses me off that the likes of banoynes deems me a mason or NWO stooge for doing this. This is no different that Bush's "you are with us or the terrorists" mentality. Same mindset, different team.

There is no shame in freewill and avoiding the polemic, banoyes needs to understand this.

[graflok]

Thats just banoyes modus operandii.

Loudly insult people and accuse them of being a stooge for the NWO a Mason or whatever if they have an alternative view to the theories that he advocates loudly.



Thats sad :(

If you choose to believe in the NPT then thats your decision - but please at the very least think for yourself and make up your mind based on what evidence there is and not because "it's debunked so loudly"

Yes it's *possible* that no planes were used - but so far the evidence stacks up against it. Look at the evidence - and *think for yourself*

"Evidence" can be manufactured or falsified. Logic cannot.

Once you realize that 9/11 was an inside job, the logic inevitably leads to
the conclusion that they would never have put the most important false flag
operation of all time in the hands of 2 "mind controlled" operatives with little
or no flight experience to successfully hijack 2 passenger jets and fly them
perfectly into the WTC towers, killing themselves and all aboard.

9/11, the key milestone in the march toward the New World Order with trillions
of dollars and the Dawn of the Age of Endless War hanging in the balance
and they put all this on the shoulders of a couple of hung-over bozos with
little or no flight experience? Relying on them to kill themselves for what they
had to know was a scam that would have nothing to do with "jihad"?

You expect us to believe that the intelligence community operates this way?

What if they failed to hijack the planes? What if some passengers jumped
them? What if they missed the buildings? What if they hit the wrong
buildings? What if they passed out from G forces? What if they chickened
out? What if there were survivors from the crash? And, on and on ...

Sorry, it just makes no sense that they would do it this way.

And, when you combine this with all the anomalies in your so called
"evidence" and the more obvious conclusion of no planes being used at the
other sites, the only rational conclusion is that they could not have used
piloted planes for the WTC event.

The only logical question remaining is how they faked the planes, not
if they faked them.

Oh, and your claim that discussing this subject is hurting the truth movement
is also unsupported by the facts. The truth movement is doing just fine and
here (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/newsfull.php?newid=160406) is evidence that most of the world now disbelieves the official story of 9/11
and 15% now believe it was an inside job. I think that's pretty damn good.

[graflok]

Thats just banoyes modus operandii.

Loudly insult people and accuse them of being a stooge for the NWO a Mason or whatever if they have an alternative view to the theories that he advocates loudly.



Thats sad :(

If you choose to believe in the NPT then thats your decision - but please at the very least think for yourself and make up your mind based on what evidence there is and not because "it's debunked so loudly"

Yes it's *possible* that no planes were used - but so far the evidence stacks up against it. Look at the evidence - and *think for yourself*

"Evidence" can be manufactured or falsified. Logic cannot.

Once you realize that 9/11 was an inside job, the logic inevitably leads to
the conclusion that they would never have put the most important false flag
operation of all time in the hands of 2 "mind controlled" operatives with little
or no flight experience to successfully hijack 2 passenger jets and fly them
perfectly into the WTC towers, killing themselves and all aboard.

9/11, the key milestone in the march toward the New World Order with trillions
of dollars and the Dawn of the Age of Endless War hanging in the balance
and they put all this on the shoulders of a couple of hung-over bozos with
little or no flight experience? Relying on them to kill themselves for what they
had to know was a scam that would have nothing to do with "jihad"?

You expect us to believe that the intelligence community would operate in
such a slipshod manner for the most important psyop of all time?

What if they failed to hijack the planes? What if some passengers jumped
them? What if they missed the buildings? What if they hit the wrong
buildings? What if they passed out from G forces? What if they chickened
out? What if there were survivors from the crash? And, on and on ...

Sorry, it just makes no sense that they would do it this way.

And, when you combine this with all the anomalies in your so called
"evidence" and the more obvious conclusion of no planes being used at the
other sites, the only rational conclusion is that they could not have used
piloted planes for the WTC event.

The only logical question remaining is how they faked the planes, not
if they faked them.

And your claim that discussing this subject is hurting the truth movement
is also unsupported by the facts. The truth movement is doing just fine and
here (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/newsfull.php?newid=160406) is evidence that most of the world now disbelieves the official story of 9/11
and 15% now believe it was an inside job. That's pretty damn good to me. :)

And what does it matter if they used planes or not?

It matters because whatever technology was used to fake the planes at
the WTC will undoubtedly be used again for future psyops. The greater
the public awareness of this fact, the less chance of it succeeding.

[stelios]

911 is not the only false flag nor is it the biggest event.
I dont understand why people get blinkered in this way and dont simply see it in a long line of other similar events before and since.

911 truth has become a cult with people ignoring the bigger picture.

[banoyes]

[QUOTE]
Like I am saying all along, I am still trying to figure out what happened on 9-11
I am still searching, looking for answers and it pisses me off that the likes of banoynes deems me a mason or NWO stooge for doing this.
There is no shame in freewill and avoiding the polemic, banoyes needs to understand this.


Oh searching for answers are you?

Originally Posted by endlessvista
Well I have to agree with you on the first part. As for the controlled demolition of the twin towers it did not look like that to me in any of the videos. Both buildings buckled and split at impact/fire point. This would suggest structural failure at the impact area and not charges going off underneath. They do appear to blow out, but this can be explained by the millions of tons of steel, cement and office furniture above them just crashing down on the burnt-out "gap" left by the impact and fire.

There were no detonations visible below the impact sites and in every video the top of the buildings seem to just 'crush' there way down.
Looking for answer !!seems to me you are telling .of course everything you are telling is a lie .you ain't looking for answers and your post proves it



I laugh when I hear "insult"
calling a liar a liar in not an insult it's a statement of fact
if you spew BS you ARE a tool of the NWO,a stooge
The insult is people posting lies and BS and foisting it off as truth
That's an insult

[howie]

The photo is fake.

[graflok]

Well done lads, you have completely wrecked any chance of the real truth coming out now that you have all signed up to a faith-based concept.


That's funny because the evidence shows that the truth movement is doing just fine
with most of the world now believing that the "official version" of 9/11 is false and
15% now aware that it was an inside job.

Source (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/newsfull.php?newid=160406).

[thematrix]

"Evidence" can be manufactured or falsified. Logic cannot.

Once you realize that 9/11 was an inside job, the logic inevitably leads to
the conclusion that they would never have put the most important false flag
operation of all time in the hands of 2 "mind controlled" operatives with little
or no flight experience to successfully hijack 2 passenger jets and fly them
perfectly into the WTC towers, killing themselves and all aboard.

Can you outline the logic you used - it seems to me that it is based ona few assumptions.

You assume that the hijacker pilots had little to no flight training.
You assume that a remote controlled aircraft wasn't used
You assume that had the event gone slightly differently that the result (war on terror, patriot act, iraq afghanistan) would have been different and that the attack *had* to demolish the WTC on live TV or it would have been a total failure.


Relying on them to kill themselves for what they
had to know was a scam that would have nothing to do with "jihad"?

How do they *have to know* it is a scam??

that makes no sense to me - can you explain please?


What if they failed to hijack the planes? What if some passengers jumped
them?

If I was on a flight pre 911 and some hijacker stood up with a knife and said he had a bomb aboard the plane and was hijacking it - why would I want to jump him? So I get flown to a n other destination - perhaps things get messiy later on the ground when the authorities storm the plane. Do I take the risk and possibly cause them to blow up their bomb and try to be a hero? Pre 911 noone in history has hijacked a plane and not come up with a list of demands etc. The flying manual at the time was for the pilot to punch in the transponder code and to co-operate completely with any demands.

What if they missed the buildings? What if they hit the wrong
buildings?

What happens if they hit the wrong building? Would the aftermath really be all that different?

What if they passed out from G forces? What if they chickened
out? What if there were survivors from the crash? And, on and on ...

Remote pilot the aircraft and those issues dissappear - and as far as I know the chances of survivng a plane crash when the plane impacts at 500mph are *zero*

And your claim that discussing this subject is hurting the truth movement
is also unsupported by the facts. The truth movement is doing just fine and
here (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/newsfull.php?newid=160406) is evidence that most of the world now disbelieves the official story of 9/11
and 15% now believe it was an inside job. That's pretty damn good to me. :)


Mot people questioned may well disbelieve the official version - but they remain apathetic enough to not do much about it...

Who is to say that the numbers in that poll disbelieving may not be higher if the NPT wasn't being loudly advocated by some "truthers"

And what does it matter if they used planes or not?

It matters because whatever technology was used to fake the planes at
the WTC will undoubtedly be used again for future psyops. The greater
the public awareness of this fact, the less chance of it succeeding.

I agree - but there is no evidence that the impacts were faked that will convince the majority of the "sheeple" and there is a lot of convincing evidence otherwise.

As far as I know there are NO video experts who subscribe to NPT. If there are I would love to hear from them.

[graflok]

Can you outline the logic you used - it seems to me that it is based ona few assumptions.

You assume that the hijacker pilots had little to no flight training.
You assume that a remote controlled aircraft wasn't used
You assume that had the event gone slightly differently that the result (war on terror, patriot act, iraq afghanistan) would have been different and that the attack *had* to demolish the WTC on live TV or it would have been a total failure.

I've already stated the logic repeatedly.

It matters little how much flight training they supposedly had. Even if they
were professional airline captains (which they weren't), it would alter the
scenario and logic very little.

I have repeatedly posted that I consider it possible that remote aircraft may
have been used. I doubt it, however, simply because it doesn't explain all the
video and witness anomalies.



How do they *have to know* it is a scam??

that makes no sense to me - can you explain please?

What other reason for the op could they have been operating under?


If I was on a flight pre 911 and some hijacker stood up with a knife and said he had a bomb aboard the plane and was hijacking it - why would I want to jump him? So I get flown to a n other destination - perhaps things get messiy later on the ground when the authorities storm the plane. Do I take the risk and possibly cause them to blow up their bomb and try to be a hero? Pre 911 noone in history has hijacked a plane and not come up with a list of demands etc. The flying manual at the time was for the pilot to punch in the transponder code and to co-operate completely with any demands.

You weren't on the flight. The point is you can't guaranty behavior of
dozens of passengers under such an extreme, life threatening situation.
And, that is only one out of many, many things that could go wrong
with your "plane theory."



What happens if they hit the wrong building? Would the aftermath really be all that different?

You're joking, right? Of course it would. You think crashing into a McDonalds
restaurant is going to shock the world and "justify" a War on Terror to the
same degree that leveling the World Trade Center and killing thousands
would? People jumping to their deaths from a Ronald McDonald sign? Get
serious.



Remote pilot the aircraft and those issues dissappear - and as far as I know the chances of survivng a plane crash when the plane impacts at 500mph are *zero*

As I've stated, I haven't ruled out remotely piloted planes completely. It just
doesn't fit all the anomalies so I doubt it.


Mot people questioned may well disbelieve the official version - but they remain apathetic enough to not do much about it...

Such as what? And, what are you basing your psychoanalysis of the world
on?


Who is to say that the numbers in that poll disbelieving may not be higher if the NPT wasn't being loudly advocated by some "truthers"

And, who's to say it wouldn't be lower? The point is it's higher today than
it was in 2001.


I agree - but there is no evidence that the impacts were faked that will convince the majority of the "sheeple" and there is a lot of convincing evidence otherwise.

The truth is the truth. If the impacts were faked there is nothing to be
gained by furthering a lie. True, many may disbelieve, but those who
do see the truth will be harder to fool by the next psyop. And, that is
what is most important in my view.


As far as I know there are NO video experts who subscribe to NPT. If there are I would love to hear from them.

So? Think for yourself. :)

[lightgiver]

I said 90% of their evidence I find unconvincing and speculative. That's not the same thing as calling them liars.



The reason for that is what I beleive is the real conspiricy - that being for all their defense budgets, prior warnings, the US administration diplayed incompetence on a level that was equal in devasation to the attack itself. Bush and his crew failed miserably to protect their own citizens. This for me is the real cover up. Useless morons such as Condeleeza Rice failing the US public they are meant to serve and protect.



Part of me wonders if they "pulled" that building in order to make Ground Zero safe so they could go in a rescue any suvivors. They kept this quiet as it may have involved possibly sacrificing people in building 7.

you give no evidence to back up your claim that 911 was not an inside job,only wild speculation,fires that burnt for 3 months was caused by jet fuel that burnt off or would have burnt off,thats if actual planes were used.

it is an impossibility for fires to burn that long,from jet fuel,you provide the proof otherwise?

3 trillion dollars is still missing,funny how wtc 7 held all the so called records and info?

endless vista you are talking nonsense:rolleyes:
If i was you i would do some serious historical research about secret societies and the like,because mate you are deluded i am sorry to say.

You have not got a clue.

No people were killed in wtc 7,not that i am aware of.

Bush and the like are members of skull and bones which is also connected to the knights of malta,maybe that may be a start for you in your research.

[hw spartan]

you give no evidence to back up your claim that 911 was not an inside job,only wild speculation,fires that burnt for 3 months was caused by jet fuel that burnt off or would have burnt off,thats if actual planes were used.

it is an impossibility for fires to burn that long,from jet fuel,you provide the proof otherwise?

3 trillion dollars is still missing,funny how wtc 7 held all the so called records and info?

endless vista you are talking nonsense:rolleyes:
If i was you i would do some serious historical research about secret societies and the like,because mate you are deluded i am sorry to say.

You have not got a clue.

No people were killed in wtc 7,not that i am aware of.

Bush and the like are members of skull and bones which is also connected to the knights of malta,maybe that may be a start for you in your research.

building 7, was a FBI New York center office block
from bottom floor up to the top.
it was also CIA and other:)

[endlessvista]

[QUOTE=endlessvista;542693]

Oh searching for answers are you?


Looking for answer !!seems to me you are telling .of course everything you are telling is a lie .you ain't looking for answers and your post proves it



I laugh when I hear "insult"
calling a liar a liar in not an insult it's a statement of fact
if you spew BS you ARE a tool of the NWO,a stooge
The insult is people posting lies and BS and foisting it off as truth
That's an insult

Cngradulations. You managed to get through that entire post without claiming you're Jesus Christ.

[devolinctus]

ok, so the us gonverment got a bunch of saudis to kill themselves, for a publicity stunt?????, explain how this happened?

[dave52]

ok, so the us gonverment got a bunch of saudis to kill themselves, for a publicity stunt?????, explain how this happened?

Hands up all those that think it was a bunch of Saudis....

[hw spartan]

Hands up all those that think it was a bunch of Saudis....

hahaha

hands up if you think it was human:eek:

[pinkfreud]

hahaha

hands up if you think it was human:eek:


rofl

[mikethepunk]

My one question about the whole thing is what happened to the people on the planes if they were not commercial jets??? One of my good friends lost one of his best friends on one of those planes. He is from Mass and his friend was on one of the planes that hit the towers. I wonder and this is one of the few things that people like Alex Jones have not gone in to, unless I missed something.

What does everyone else think?

[alwun]

mikethepunk -

you say My one question about the whole thing is what happened to the people on the planes if they were not commercial jets???

Again, your syntax leaves me unsure.

I mean to say that the question posed initially - what happened to the people on the planes? - is one I am looking forward myself to having answered.

However -
You go on to say - if they were not commercial jets??? - .

Now -
The people who can answer that are not talking, at least not yet. Moreover, whatever happened to those people took place out of the public eye.
The actual WTC atrocity took place in full deliberate view, with filmic 'evidence' to back it up, and sell it to the wide world.
By now, of course, that 'evidence', the TV video reports and the amateur footage of the day have all been comprehensively and exhaustively discredited and been shown to have been falsified.
So much so, that an increasing number of people are now aware that there were no passenger jets involved in the WTC atrocity. NO jets and no passengers.

The fact that some real people went missing on that day can not by now lend any credence to the notion that passenger jets were used in the 911 atrocity.

We will have to wait a little while for the answer you seek - about the fate or whereabouts of your 'good friend's' 'best friend'.

cheers Al..

[devolinctus]

Hands up all those that think it was a bunch of Saudis....

so, the passports show they were saudis, the cctv show their faces, matched with the passports, the log shows them to be who they clain?, ok dave, they must have been isrealis,,,,dave, the home of witty banter, thats not funny

[lightgiver]

so, the passports show they were saudis, the cctv show their faces, matched with the passports, the log shows them to be who they clain?, ok dave, they must have been isrealis,,,,dave, the home of witty banter, thats not funny

which cctv?and what log?and what passports?could you please link or define:confused:and not forgetting half the so called terrorists turned up alive,all this is hypothetical as the 911 commission report is a big lie,and a real investigation is being prevented from taking place.

[mynameis]

which cctv?and what log?and what passports?could you please link or define:confused:and not forgetting half the so called terrorists turned up alive,all this is hypothetical as the 911 commission report is a big lie,and a real investigation is being prevented from taking place.

A surveillance camera photographs two men identified by authorities as suspected hijackers Mohammed Atta (R) And Abdulaziz Alomari (C) as they pass through airport security September 11, 2001 at Portland International Jetport in Maine. (US Navy/Getty Images)

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2006-04/22984558.jpg

[stelios]

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2006-04/22984558.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/powers05/Atta_in_airport.jpg

Naughty, naughty.:(
Very sneaky of you to post a cropped image.
This cctv is fake look at the original with 2 timecodes.
The real time code is the one at the bottom meaning they were too late tomake the conection.

No cctv has a timecode across the middle and no cctv has two different timecodes.
I have cctv myself and really you only have one at the bottom.http://political-resources.com/911/killtown/images/portland_airport_cctv.jpg

[mynameis]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/powers05/Atta_in_airport.jpg

Naughty, naughty.:(
Very sneaky of you to post a cropped image.
This cctv is fake look at the original with 2 timecodes.
The real time code is the one at the bottom meaning they were too late tomake the conection.

No cctv has a timecode across the middle and no cctv has two different timecodes.
I have cctv myself and really you only have one at the bottom.http://political-resources.com/911/killtown/images/portland_airport_cctv.jpg

Dude it's not my picture and I am answering someone's question. So deal with that. A 6 am flight seems like they had plenty of time to get there. Have you considered that the bottom of the screen is the playback function that is shown on all VCR's and VHS players. If digital I would expect the same treatment. It does not show AM or PM so speculation would suggest this is AM while playback is PM.

Here's the link since you seem inclined to think I cropped the picture. If your comment is any indicator I smell something cropped in your pants for your quick accusatory post.

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2006-04/22984558.jpg

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2006-04/22984558.jpg

[stelios]

Dude it's not my picture and I am answering someone's question. So deal with that. A 6 am flight seems like they had plenty of time to get there. Have you considered that the bottom of the screen is the playback function that is shown on all VCR's and VHS players. If digital I would expect the same treatment. It does not show AM or PM so speculation would suggest this is AM while playback is PM.

Here's the link since you seem inclined to think I cropped the picture. If your comment is any indicator I smell something cropped in your pants for your quick accusatory post.

No i think you are smelling your own doings. Unless you are sniffing around under my mattress.

The 05.53 is a clue that this is in the morning
The big 24HR is another good indicator that this is morning.
You seem to be clutching at straws.
You may not have cropped the photo yourself but you chose that one from many. And the fact that agencies are posting cropped photos is a pretty good sign that they have scored an own goal.

ps:
There were supposedly 19 Arabs, so where is the cctv of all the others?
Cos this one is debunked.

[mynameis]

No i think you are smelling your own doings. Unless you are sniffing around under my mattress.

The 05.53 is a clue that this is in the morning
The big 24HR is another good indicator that this is morning.
You seem to be clutching at straws.
You may not have cropped the photo yourself but you chose that one from many. And the fact that agencies are posting cropped photos is a pretty good sign that they have scored an own goal.

ps:
There were supposedly 19 Arabs, so where is the cctv of all the others?
Cos this one is debunked.

I suppose you didn't notice in the picture you posted and your BS is showing. Since you're not observant, if you see the word "screening" in English which is the same color depth of the time mark at the bottom of the screen; in your case you can't see that it isn't the time of capture but playback. Where is the other video from the airports? I don't know do I work for TSA? No. Why don't you request a FOIA if you want to know. I'm sorry I don't clutch straws I incorporate facts versus ignorant ways of disinformations like you yerself uses. 5:45:13 09-11-01 is the capture time. I'm sorry you can't read and analyze mate.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/powers05/Atta_in_airport.jpg

[stelios]

In the photos, Atta and Alomari were allegedly preparing to board a Colgan Air 6:00 AM flight to Boston Logan airport.
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9347/pwmfloorplanmap1fy.jpg

http://political-resources.com/911/killtown/images/portland_airport_cctv.jpg

There is a reason they have tried to change the time to an earlier on by 8.30 minutes and that is it does not take 6 minutes to check in.

[mynameis]

In the photos, Atta and Alomari were allegedly preparing to board a Colgan Air 6:00 AM flight to Boston Logan airport.
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9347/pwmfloorplanmap1fy.jpg

http://political-resources.com/911/killtown/images/portland_airport_cctv.jpg

There is a reason they have tried to change the time to an earlier on by 8.30 minutes and that is it does not take 6 minutes to check in.

Says who stelios? It takes as long as it takes to check in and board. If there's no wait without luggage then it's very quick. Don't you know the T's didn't have any baggage. You conjecture is lame on all fronts. As for the other footage, who says there isn't or wasn't any found?

[stelios]

I suppose you didn't notice in the picture you posted and your BS is showing. Since you're not observant, if you see the word "screening" in English which is the same color depth of the time mark at the bottom of the screen; in your case you can't see that it isn't the time of capture but playback. Where is the other video from the airports? I don't know do I work for TSA? No. Why don't you request a FOIA if you want to know. I'm sorry I don't clutch straws I incorporate facts versus ignorant ways of disinformations like you yerself uses. 5:45:13 09-11-01 is the capture time. I'm sorry you can't read and analyze mate.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/powers05/Atta_in_airport.jpg

Mate lets assume you are correct for one tiny second.
So this cctv image is a still from a digital cctv camera and for some reason 8 minutes after the guy walked through without a ticket someone decided to playback the video?
And then for no apparant reason (because at 05.53am no crime had been committed) the operator printed a still image of the screenshot.

But then why are the two timestamps different font and different format?
One is 05.53 and the other is just 5.45
even though it is the same machine
Why does one have 24HR written next to it and the other 24h?
even though it is the same machine
And cctv does not write across the middle because that would block the image and make it harder to ID the perp.
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/313/bouncingburglar8zl.jpg
http://www.protecdvs.com/images/digital_img05.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/merlin100/Location%20Shots/The%20Stand%20Comedy%20Club/Investigation/Cam1.jpg
So please show us a cctv recorder that blocks the middle of the screen with writing.

[mynameis]

Mate lets assume you are correct for one tiny second.
So this cctv image is a still from a digital cctv camera and for some reason 8 minutes after the guy walked through without a ticket someone decided to playback the video?

And then for no apparant reason (because at 05.53am no crime had been committed) the operator printed a still image of the screenshot.

But then why are the two timestamps different font and different format?
One is 05.53 and the other is just 5.45

The middle of the screen is the actual capture time. The playback is in the evening and that sits at the very bottom of the screen. It is the choice of whoever is playing back the footage to incorporate the current time at the bottom of the screen or not just as you can choose to turn it off during playback.

Sure what kind of camera's were they using at the airport? I'm sure you you have an answer right?

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/portl14.jpg

[stelios]

Actually i dont know who supplied the cameras. But i would guess it was one of those Mossad controlled companies like Verint/Comverse or ICTS.
Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. So it wasnt him.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/sep/21/september11.usa3

They looked like any other anxious travellers, rushing through the airport security checks to make sure they caught their early morning flight. But the two men caught on security cameras at Portland airport in Maine at 5.45am on September 11 would be flying an airliner into the north tower of the World Trade Centre just three hours later.
The images released yesterday by the US authorities show Mohamed Atta with a man using the name Abdulaziz al-Omari about to board a USAir flight to Boston, where they and three colleagues seized control of American Airlines flight 11. Atta is thought to have been at the controls when the plane hit the north tower at 8.45am. Investigators also have security camera footage of two of the hijackers from American Airlines flight 77, which hit the Pentagon in Washington. Hani Hanjour, who is believed to have been flying the plane, and Majed Moqed were caught on film together taking money from a cash machine in Florida, where many of the terrorists had learned to fly.

The Portland footage shows the men passing easily through airport security. Casually dressed in open-necked shirts and carrying small bags, they are shown clearing the metal detectors and baggage X-ray machines unchallenged.

According to US investigators, the Portland images provide clear evidence that Atta, 33, was one of the hijackers. His father had claimed yesterday that his son was alive and had spoken to him since the disaster.


This contradicts what you are grasping to say.
The official story is that the timecode across the middle of the cctv is the correct one.
So the timecode at the bottom must be the playback - but it is clearly 05.53am and clearly states it is a 24 hour clock meaning afternoon would be 17.53.
Your theory is wrong but if that is what the security services are saying then it is so lame.
Ignoring the cctv, this is at Portland. Where is the cctv at Boston, Dulles, or the other airports/terminals?
Where are images of all the 19 highjackers?
Where are the images from the thousands of other cameras they would have all had to pass through?
Why are they not listed as pasengers having bought a ticket?
If they passed through metal detectors where did they get the boxcutters?
If 19 people got on flights it means 19 people must have checked in and got their boarding passes. So where is the evidence and where is the cctv from the check in desk?

Oh and why does Atta's father claim he was alive and phoned his dad AFTER the WTC was hit - surely he knows his own son's voice.

[mynameis]

This contradicts what you are grasping to say.




1.)This contradicts what you are grasping to say.

2.)The official story is that the timecode across the middle of the cctv is the correct one.
So the timecode at the bottom must be the playback - but it is clearly 05.53am and clearly states it is a 24 hour clock meaning afternoon would be 17.53.

3.)Your theory is wrong but if that is what the security services are saying then it is so lame.

4.)Ignoring the cctv, this is at Portland. Where is the cctv at Boston, Dulles, or the other airports/terminals?

5.) Where are images of all the 19 highjackers?

6.)Where are the images from the thousands of other cameras they would have all had to pass through?

7.) Why are they not listed as pasengers having bought a ticket?

8.)If they passed through metal detectors where did they get the boxcutters?

9.) If 19 people got on flights it means 19 people must have checked in and got their boarding passes. So where is the evidence and where is the cctv from the check in desk?

10.) [B]Oh and why does Atta's father claim he was alive and phoned his dad AFTER the WTC was hit - surely he knows his own son's voice.
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1.) Maybe it's not a contradiction but clarification
2.) So playback clock couldn't be set incorrectly yet display 24 as the current mode?
3.) If the FBI playback clock in the photo isn't correct, I agree it is lame.
4.) I don't know about other footage that is unreleased, you would have to FOIA the footage.
5.) see #4
6.) see #4
7.) They are listed as passengers having bought tickets according to the FBI's investigation.
8.) Box cutters could have been pre-planted or carried on board through screening.
9.) See #4
10.) Perhaps the father is mistaken about the time of the call or merely putting out lies.

[alwun]

the thing is that no passenger jets were hijacked and no jets hit the towers. there is no evidence or proof of this. The moving images shown on telly on the day have been shown to be fake. no amount of wannabe CCTV stills can change that.

cheers.

[mynameis]

the thing is that no passenger jets were hijacked and no jets hit the towers. there is no evidence or proof of this. The moving images shown on telly on the day have been shown to be fake. no amount of wannabe CCTV stills can change that.

cheers.

Everything you just typed was flat out a lie. Hundreds if not thousands watched the planes hit.

Why does the steel bend inward alwun? What would have caused it to bend inward alwun?

http://911research.wtc7.net/materials/wtc/docs/wtc35.jpg

[lightgiver]

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2006-04/22984558.jpg

where is a the rest of the cctv footage,that little bit of footage proves naff all.

what about all the passports?plus i only see 2 people on that dodgy footage and the wrong airport,its a joke.

You expect people to believe that these fake terrorists took over 4 aeroplanes,and managed to do what they did.come on lets get real.

and the only elements lying in all of this is the fascist american government puppets and their nwo masters.

[mynameis]

where is a the rest of the cctv footage,that little bit of footage proves naff all.

what about all the passports?plus i only see 2 people on that dodgy footage and the wrong airport,its a joke.

You expect people to believe that these fake terrorists took over 4 aeroplanes,and managed to do what they did.come on lets get real.

and the only elements lying in all of this is the fascist american government puppets and their nwo masters.

File a FOIA, the FBI has the footage, as for your opinion....well it remains a bad one.

[lightgiver]

File a FOIA, the FBI has the footage, as for your opinion....well it remains a bad one.

Maybe in your opinion:rolleyes:

[stelios]

The middle of the screen is the actual capture time. The playback is in the evening and that sits at the very bottom of the screen. It is the choice of whoever is playing back the footage to incorporate the current time at the bottom of the screen or not just as you can choose to turn it off during playback.

Youre just really a wind up merchant arent you?
What on that image implies that it was a playback anyway?
Where does it say playback.
If you look back at the images posted you will observe that the area the cctv camera was located is known as 'screening' hence the word screening at the top of the image. In the same font as the timecade at the bottom
Now look at other cctv images you will observe that they often have the camera location at the top or the camera number at the top.

Again proving that this image is a phony. They added a new time across the middle in a different font and in a different format to imply the time was earlier than it was. Because just like in the 7/7 cctv image which is also a fake the timecode is proof they could not have been where they should have been.

[mynameis]

Youre just really a wind up merchant arent you?
What on that image implies that it was a playback anyway?
Where does it say playback.
If you look back at the images posted you will observe that the area the cctv camera was located is known as 'screening' hence the word screening at the top of the image. In the same font as the timecade at the bottom
Now look at other cctv images you will observe that they often have the camera location at the top or the camera number at the top.

Again proving that this image is a phony. They added a new time across the middle in a different font and in a different format to imply the time was earlier than it was. Because just like in the 7/7 cctv image which is also a fake the timecode is proof they could not have been where they should have been.

Once again you've failed to use the actual image in question to state your case, next you point to other cctv systems, which aren't even the same kind of cctv used by Portland at the time in 2001 etc... You can't even tell us what kind of cctv camera system the airport used, and you don't have any credible airport security witnesses to back up your claim. 7/7 is no 9/11 are, do you have problems with calendars as well as sticking to the subject of the thread and or posts? Screening is what it implies, it is being played back and captured during playback, unless you have proof based on that camera system, or a Portland airport security guard, or FBI witness to refute the alternate version of the time code.

[lightgiver]

Al qaeda was created by the cia.

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences

ROBIN COOK assassinated by the illuminati.

[mynameis]

ROBIN COOK assassinated by the illuminati.

You just can't stop yourself from lying and spreading misinformation can you?

[stelios]

Screening is what it implies, it is being played back and captured during playback.

No please take your head out of the sand. Screening is the area marked on this map of the airport called SCREENING.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9347/pwmfloorplanmap1fy.jpg

[lightgiver]

You just can't stop yourself from lying and spreading misinformation can you?

Prove otherwise.I am not lying or spreading misinformation:confused:how to you work that one out:confused:

and i suppose oh enlightened one is spreading the truth:rolleyes::D

Isnt it funny some people in high positions who are close to the real agenda seem to die in the hills?

Robin Cook: A motive for murder by MI6
Cook was investigating 'Gaddafi Plot' when he died

Ex MI5 whistle-blower Annie Machon briefed Robin Cook on the 'Gaddafi Plot' just weeks before he died.
She and her partner David Shayler both left British Counter-Intelligence service MI5 when they learned that their colleagues at MI6 paid Islamic fanatics £100,000 in 1996 to assassinate Head of State Colonel Gaddafi.
The attempt failed but many innocent lives were lost and, they contend, the operation was given the go-ahead by MI6 without the knowledge of the Foreign Secretary of the day, Malcolm Rifkind.
In 1998, when these allegations first surfaced, Labour's foreign secretary Robin Cook was sceptical as to whether Shayler and Machon were telling the truth but in the succeeding years more and more hard evidence came to light corroborating their allegations and in the weeks before he died Robin Cook gave a guarantee to Annie Machon that he would look into the allegations that MI6 had carried out the plan illegally and secretly without informing the Foreign Office as they must do to keep things legal.
All in all this is a clear motive for the MURDER of Robin Cook by MI6 as he may have been about to discover that MI6 had lied both to him and the Foreign Office about paying vast sums of taxpayers money to Al Quieda.

He is credited with having helped resolve the eight-year impasse over the Pan Am Flight 103 bombing trial by getting Libya to agree to hand over the two accused (Megrahi and Fhimah) in 1999, for trial in the neutral venue of the Netherlands but according to Scots law.

In March 1998, a diplomatic rift ensued with Israel when Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu angrily cancelled a dinner with Cook, while Cook was visiting Israel and had demonstrated opposition to the expansion of Israeli settlements

Saturday, April 14, 2007
Norman Baker: Was Robin Cook murdered?
You may recall that one of the projects that Norman Baker devoted himself to after leaving the Lib Dem front bench was investigating the death of David Kelly.

That is not the only death he has suspicions about. The Brighton Argus reports that Norman has doubts about the death of Robin Cook too:

Mr Baker has signed a book deal to explain in greater detail his findings on Dr Kelly's death and he expects to publish it later this year.

But the MP insists he will continue to investigate.

He has nagging doubts about the official line taken over the recent Navy hostages taken in Iran and over the death of Robin Cook, the MP who resigned in protest at the Iraq war.

He said: "Robin Cook was on Ministry of Defence land, I believe, when he died and certainly I have doubts over what happened."

There are those, of course, who doubt Norman Baker's theories.

But for every person out there who does there are an equal number for whom the MP has become a beacon of truth in an increasingly murky world.

[mynameis]

Prove otherwise.I am not lying or spreading misinformation:confused:how to you work that one out:confused:

and i suppose oh enlightened one is spreading the truth:rolleyes::D

Isnt it funny some people in high positions who are close to the real agenda seem to die in the hills?




How big a liar are you now?

ROBIN COOK’S wife, Gaynor, tried for 45 minutes to resuscitate her husband high on a mountainside in northwest Scotland where he collapsed and died on Saturday afternoon

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article552898.ece

[stelios]

Ex MI5 whistle-blower Annie Machon briefed Robin Cook on the 'Gaddafi Plot' just weeks before he died.
She and her partner David Shayler both left British Counter-Intelligence service MI5 when they learned that their colleagues at MI6 paid Islamic fanatics £100,000 in 1996 to assassinate Head of State Colonel Gaddafi.
The attempt failed but many innocent lives were lost and, they contend, the operation was given the go-ahead by MI6 without the knowledge of the Foreign Secretary of the day, Malcolm Rifkind.
In 1998, when these allegations first surfaced, Labour's foreign secretary Robin Cook was sceptical as to whether Shayler and Machon were telling the truth but in the succeeding years more and more hard evidence came to light corroborating their allegations and in the weeks before he died Robin Cook gave a guarantee to Annie Machon that he would look into the allegations that MI6 had carried out the plan illegally and secretly without informing the Foreign Office as they must do to keep things legal..
Shayler and Machon have been discredited though as disinformation agents.
When they were working for MI5 their job was to subvert UK left wing groups. When they 'quit' MI5 and went on the run to France (which is hardly going awol) they claimed this plot concerning Libya and Gaddafi.
However, it turned out they were lying.
Even the families of the Lockerbie victims now know that Shayler and Machon were lying. They believe Megrahi and Fhimah to be innocent and have even donated their own money towards their appeal.
Shayler and Machon have consistantly claimed that Libya was responsible and that there was this plot to kill Gaddafi. However, look at the facts. All the evidence points to the CIA having blown up the plane.
And Gaddafi is in pretty rude health still a dictator and still in power and still shopping at Harrods and Tiiffany's.
Look at the other cases they got involved with.
They 'helped' prove that Princess Diana was not murdered and that there wasnt an MI6 dossier with the plot. Even though most of the planet knows Diana was murdered Shayler and Machon helped hinder the investigation by latching onto Al fayed's team as consultants.
They also 'helped' during the trial of the Israeli embassy bombing in London.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/26/newsid_2499000/2499619.stm
Needless to say they were found guilty despite all the evidence being to the contrary. Machon and Shayler helped Jawad Botmeh and Samar Alami lose their appeals against their 20-year convictions in November 2001.

I think Robin Cook was tricked by Shayler and Machon when in reality Libya was not responsible for the Lockerbie bomb.

[lightgiver]

How big a liar are you now?



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article552898.ece

was you there?and it wasnt is long term wife

[lightgiver]

was you there?and it wasnt is long term wife

Mr Cook’s sons by his first marriage, Christopher, 31, and Peter, 32, were described as devastated. They both live in England, and travelled to the Edinburgh home of their mother, Margaret Cook, yesterday.

Dr Cook, to whom Mr Cook was married for 28 years, said that she was shocked and saddened by her former husband’s death. They had “made peace”, she said, after their acrimonious divorce eight years ago. “My obligation now is to support my sons, who are gutted by this. They were very close to their father,” she said.

[lightgiver]

Shayler and Machon have been discredited though as disinformation agents.
When they were working for MI5 their job was to subvert UK left wing groups. When they 'quit' MI5 and went on the run to France (which is hardly going awol) they claimed this plot concerning Libya and Gaddafi.
However, it turned out they were lying.
Even the families of the Lockerbie victims now know that Shayler and Machon were lying. They believe Megrahi and Fhimah to be innocent and have even donated their own money towards their appeal.
Shayler and Machon have consistantly claimed that Libya was responsible and that there was this plot to kill Gaddafi. However, look at the facts. All the evidence points to the CIA having blown up the plane.
And Gaddafi is in pretty rude health still a dictator and still in power and still shopping at Harrods and Tiiffany's.
Look at the other cases they got involved with.
They 'helped' prove that Princess Diana was not murdered and that there wasnt an MI6 dossier with the plot. Even though most of the planet knows Diana was murdered Shayler and Machon helped hinder the investigation by latching onto Al fayed's team as consultants.
They also 'helped' during the trial of the Israeli embassy bombing in London.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/26/newsid_2499000/2499619.stm
Needless to say they were found guilty despite all the evidence being to the contrary. Machon and Shayler helped Jawad Botmeh and Samar Alami lose their appeals against their 20-year convictions in November 2001.

I think Robin Cook was tricked by Shayler and Machon when in reality Libya was not responsible for the Lockerbie bomb.

this is going off topic,so i will leave you to make your own mind up;)rules out shayler as the messiah then:rolleyes:

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8881/wtcredesignsafetyholeskq1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[lightgiver]

How big a liar are you now?



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article552898.ece

the woman he was with was a fling he had,younger woman and all that?and they had not been married long,and his previous wife of 28 yrs was not there,just to clear things up.

He had not complained of any pain. He had fallen about eight feet down a ridge after collapsing, which resulted in a slight head injury. Gaynor kept asking me if he was dead, but obviously I couldn’t say anything,” he said. The steep terrain meant that the helicopter was unable to land, and Mr Cook was winched from the mountain and flown to Raigmore Hospital, Inverness, where he was pronounced dead at 4.05pm. A post-mortem examination will be carried out today. The urgency of the situation meant that there was no time to winch Mrs Gaynor Cook on board, and she made her way back down the mountain with the stranger.Hmm stranger indeed?

Mr Cook’s sons by his first marriage, Christopher, 31, and Peter, 32, were described as devastated. They both live in England, and travelled to the Edinburgh home of their mother, Margaret Cook, yesterday.

Dr Cook, to whom Mr Cook was married for 28 years, said that she was shocked and saddened by her former husband’s death. They had “made peace”, she said, after their acrimonious divorce eight years ago. “My obligation now is to support my sons, who are gutted by this. They were very close to their father,” she said.

and one thing mate i aint no liar,just trying to get to the truth:pi will leave it there as this is going off topic,i believe he died in suss circumstances the same as dr d kelly,and you believe otherwise.end of.

[lightgiver]

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/1749/americanairlinesover767nf1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[mynameis]

the woman he was with was a fling he had,younger woman and all that?and they had not been married long,and his previous wife of 28 yrs was not there,just to clear things up.

He had not complained of any pain. He had fallen about eight feet down a ridge after collapsing, which resulted in a slight head injury. Gaynor kept asking me if he was dead, but obviously I couldn’t say anything,” he said. The steep terrain meant that the helicopter was unable to land, and Mr Cook was winched from the mountain and flown to Raigmore Hospital, Inverness, where he was pronounced dead at 4.05pm. A post-mortem examination will be carried out today. The urgency of the situation meant that there was no time to winch Mrs Gaynor Cook on board, and she made her way back down the mountain with the stranger.Hmm stranger indeed?

Mr Cook’s sons by his first marriage, Christopher, 31, and Peter, 32, were described as devastated. They both live in England, and travelled to the Edinburgh home of their mother, Margaret Cook, yesterday.

Dr Cook, to whom Mr Cook was married for 28 years, said that she was shocked and saddened by her former husband’s death. They had “made peace”, she said, after their acrimonious divorce eight years ago. “My obligation now is to support my sons, who are gutted by this. They were very close to their father,” she said.

and one thing mate i aint no liar,just trying to get to the truth:pi will leave it there as this is going off topic,i believe he died in suss circumstances the same as dr d kelly,and you believe otherwise.end of.

More lies. A wife is a wife, just as a moron is a moron, and don't you know they were married quite a while...I guess it didn't dawn on you. Another thing 8 feet isn't all that far to fall. Another thing...even if you mix lies with truth, you are still a liar.


Heart disease caused Cook's death
Robin Cook resigned from the Cabinet over the Iraq War
Mr Cook resigned from the Cabinet over the Iraq War
A post-mortem examination has found former Foreign Secretary Robin Cook died of hypertensive heart disease.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4135256.stm

[lightgiver]

More lies. A wife is a wife, just as a moron is a moron, and don't you know they were married quite a while...I guess it didn't dawn on you. Another thing 8 feet isn't all that far to fall. Another thing...even if you mix lies with truth, you are still a liar.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4135256.stm

I am no bigger liar than you,what makes you the perpetrator of truth then.:confused:like i said earlier you believe what you believe,and i will believe what i believe,and this is just going off thread,if you like start a thread about it and i will quite happily debate it.

and also on the dark blue wing tail on your previous post,you have not answered that query?trying to avoid the truth:eek:

so what is your view on the 911 issue,in a nutshell,and not forgetting the dark blue wing tail,do have a good look.

the planes just do not look right,anyone can see that.

[elysiansix]

I wonder how someone could have gotten this shot without being notified ahead of time:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/605/wtcattackla9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Seems obvious.

There is NO WAY that photo is an original: the perspective is WAY OFF: for a shot of the Twin Towers that close up, the plane approaching would HAVE to be much, much bigger. If the pic is for real either the plane is digitally modified (smaller) or the rest of the photo is (bigger).

[lightgiver]

and check this out:confused:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7023/novab767200compay5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Comparative visual examination of the NOVA UA175 aircraft reveals a shorter wing chord length and relative forward positioning of the wings. The nose tip is more reminiscent of a torpedo than an aircraft and the asymmetric tail section with its high sweep back angle aerofoils look like they have more in common with the aerodynamic stabilizers from an arrow or dart. There is the possibility that the wings are shorter than the wings on the Boeing 767-200 although this is speculative because it is difficult to accurately gauge the bank angle of the NOVA UA175 aircraft.

A technical analysis reveals that the fuselage trunk length of the NOVA UA175 aircraft is approximately 3.5 meters shorter than the 47.24 meter fuselage trunk length of the Boeing 767-200. This puts the NOVA UA175 fuselage trunk length at approximately 44 meters. The diameter of the NOVA UA175 aircrafts fuselage is approximately 4 meters, putting it just 1 meter short of the Boeing 767-200's fuselage width of 5.03 meters.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4359/clarkcgcompjz3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[lightgiver]

its like a missile:confused:why is the tip exploding.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2449/novacontactsheetni6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[devolinctus]

its like a missile:confused:why is the tip exploding.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2449/novacontactsheetni6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
ok then, it wasnt saudis, who was it then, show me atta or the others? where are they?, you cant, it was then, infact, show me the real suspects?, there are none, it maybe that more people died that day, the conspiracy theorists

[lightgiver]

ok then, it wasnt saudis, who was it then, show me atta or the others? where are they?, you cant, it was then, infact, show me the real suspects?, there are none, it maybe that more people died that day, the conspiracy theorists

Thats what people are trying to find out, who was it then,have you any info:confused:than just a few words?

what do you mean, it maybe that more people died that day,the conspiracy theorists:confused:

The real suspects thats a good one:Dlol:D

Psychological Operations (PSYOP, PSYOPS) are techniques used by military and police forces to influence a target audience's value systems, belief systems, emotions, motives, reasoning, and behavior. Target audiences can be governments, organizations, groups, and individuals, and are used in order to induce confessions, or reinforce attitudes and behaviors favorable to the originator's objectives. These are sometimes combined with black operations or false flag tactics.

This concept has been used by military institutions throughout history, but it is only since the twentieth century that it has been accorded the organizational and professional status it enjoys now.

The word is commonly used by governments, such as the government of the United States, who do not wish to use the term propaganda or brainwashing to refer to their own work. The word propaganda has very negative connotations, and by calling it psychological operations instead, more sophisticated methods of psychological manipulation are accurately incorporated by the terminology. This euphemism for mind control is ironically an example of psychological operations -- i.e. using psychological techniques to persuade [manipulate] a large number of people to support something that they wouldn't normally support

The great masses of the people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.
Adolf Hitler


http://www.bilderberg.org/roundtable/emhitler.html

[mynameis]

and also on the dark blue wing tail on your previous post,you have not answered that query?trying to avoid the truth:eek:

so what is your view on the 911 issue,in a nutshell,and not forgetting the dark blue wing tail,do have a good look.

the planes just do not look right,anyone can see that.

No thanks. I know what's there and what you see is incorrect. You can't tell the differences between the planes because you haven't studied them at all. You are comparing an American Airlines plane with a United plane when the markings are each different. If you understood this you would know that it is the United plane not the American Airlines plane. Do you even know what pictures of the WTC plane you are looking at are stills not from a video camera? I think not.

[mynameis]

its like a missile:confused:why is the tip exploding.

A high speed object makes sparks upon collision when it hits a hard substance like rocks or metals. It doesn't take very much do do this. Get a sharp piece of metal and drag it from a car, you'll see sparks from the friction of collision with the ground.

[stelios]

Since when does an object disappear into a building upon impact?
The explosion is a prepositioned charge

[mynameis]

Since when does an object disappear into a building upon impact?
The explosion is a prepositioned charge

Since when do terrorist board airplanes and use their names on flight manifests?

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/Flight11Manifesta.jpg

http://flight77.info/docs/Flight_77_Manifest_a.jpg

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/docs/Flight175Manifest_a.jpg

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/docs/Flight93Manifest_a.jpg

If by prepositioned stelios means the fuel tanks of the planes, I think he's correct. There is no explosion until after the plane is inside via its own kinetic energy.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/0E332B602467488EB89D5877F2E8AAB1/pumpitout-jeff-calls-911-fox-c.aspx


Nose Out From Two Differing Angles.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eI8u-I0GWs4
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/chrisfarb/plane.jpg

No missle, no nose, no nothing....

Notice how the interviewer cuts the interview off...and only shows or records what he likes to record.

[dave52]

A high speed object makes sparks upon collision

the fuel tanks of the planes

There is no explosion until after the plane is inside via its own kinetic energy.

These statements are mutually exclusive.

[mynameis]

These statements are mutually exclusive.

And each one happens not together, but individually. Sparks, collision, then explosion.

[dave52]

Sparks, collision, then explosion.

Sparks and explosion as a result of collision. These things exist simultaniously. Ok, you could be pedantic and talk about milliseconds between events but the explosion took too long to happen.

[mynameis]

Sparks and explosion as a result of collision. These things exist simultaniously. Ok, you could be pedantic and talk about milliseconds between events but the explosion took too long to happen.

Wrong again. Sparks can happen because of friction and collision. This is why electric can jump from a wire into a human body. What we observe can be either, but it looks friction related i.e. collision instead of static discharge. Perhaps then it is collision, sparks, then explosion. The explosion happens because it takes a certain amount of time for the fuel tank to ignite, way after it has entered the building.

[dave52]

The explosion happens because it takes a certain amount of time for the fuel tank to ignite, way after it has entered the building.

Yeah, that's the bit we disagree on...

[mynameis]

Yeah, that's the bit we disagree on...

There's no disagreement, it's what happened in actual reality. Why did the fuel tank take a bit to explode? That's called engineering for crash safety.

[dave52]

There's no disagreement

Yes there is.

[mynameis]

Yes there is.

Such as?

[dave52]

Such as?

Me and you disagree...

[mynameis]

Me and you disagree...

I see another non answer. Banoyes taught his gooselings well.

[lightgiver]

There's no disagreement, it's what happened in actual reality. Why did the fuel tank take a bit to explode? That's called engineering for crash safety.

How long have the fuel tanks been in the tip of the plane. the pics i have shown see the plane exploding at tip???????????????????


"The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands..."
-- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 180-181.


The great masses of the people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.
Adolf Hitler

[dave52]

I see another non answer.

I gave up attempting a long time ago. You and me disagree on this subject, there are no answers, it's just the way the situation is, that's why I haven't posted here in ages.

I cannot fathom why the plane's engines didn't explode on impact.

[devolinctus]

Thats what people are trying to find out, who was it then,have you any info:confused:than just a few words?

what do you mean, it maybe that more people died that day,the conspiracy theorists:confused:

The real suspects thats a good one:Dlol:D

Psychological Operations (PSYOP, PSYOPS) are techniques used by military and police forces to influence a target audience's value systems, belief systems, emotions, motives, reasoning, and behavior. Target audiences can be governments, organizations, groups, and individuals, and are used in order to induce confessions, or reinforce attitudes and behaviors favorable to the originator's objectives. These are sometimes combined with black operations or false flag tactics.

This concept has been used by military institutions throughout history, but it is only since the twentieth century that it has been accorded the organizational and professional status it enjoys now.

The word is commonly used by governments, such as the government of the United States, who do not wish to use the term propaganda or brainwashing to refer to their own work. The word propaganda has very negative connotations, and by calling it psychological operations instead, more sophisticated methods of psychological manipulation are accurately incorporated by the terminology. This euphemism for mind control is ironically an example of psychological operations -- i.e. using psychological techniques to persuade [manipulate] a large number of people to support something that they wouldn't normally support

The great masses of the people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.
Adolf Hitler


http://www.bilderberg.org/roundtable/emhitler.html

grant me an interview with atta or those accused, you cant, cos they all died that day, ok mr information where are they now?, one question, give me a reply

[onourwayto2012]

grant me an interview with atta or those accused, you cant, cos they all died that day, ok mr information where are they now?, one question, give me a reply

face it, mynameis has taught his gooselings well

[mynameis]

face it, mynameis has taught his gooselings well

I don't claim devolinctus as my gooseling perhaps he's a lost chick?

[stelios]

grant me an interview with atta or those accused, you cant, cos they all died that day, ok mr information where are they now?, one question, give me a reply
accused?
or alleged u mean
of 19 alleged stowaways at least 9 are alive and well and interviewed by the media
FBI have still not arrested them

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=f7ixuf236Dk

So i hereby grant u an interview with those accused. Go knock yourself out.

[lightgiver]

grant me an interview with atta or those accused, you cant, cos they all died that day, ok mr information where are they now?, one question, give me a reply

HI,i cannot be arsed mate,there is enough info out there,the 911 commission is a lie,the american government and its allies are liars,and i am sick to death of all the lies,and the inhumanity of TPTB,sick of it all:(

I do not know the full facts of 911,and all the other atrocities committed by the elites,all i know the official events of 911 do not tally up,and in my opinion it was a staged event.

If people cannot believe 911 was a staged event then that's up to them,everyone is entitled to their opinions but discussing this on a forum isn't going to get rid of the murderers running the show,you either believe or you do not.So i will leave it at that for the time being:)

oh, and stelios as answered your question;)bye for now.

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8373/pentagonhitib1.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Am i seeing things or does that date say SEPTEMBER THE 12TH?????

[lightgiver]

HI,i cannot be arsed mate,there is enough info out there,the 911 commission is a lie,the american government and its allies are liars,and i am sick to death of all the lies,and the inhumanity of TPTB,sick of it all:(

I do not know the full facts of 911,and all the other atrocities committed by the elites,all i know the official events of 911 do not tally up,and in my opinion it was a staged event.

If people cannot believe 911 was a staged event then that's up to them,everyone is entitled to their opinions but discussing this on a forum isn't going to get rid of the murderers running the show,you either believe or you do not.So i will leave it at that for the time being:)

oh, and stelios as answered your question;)bye for now.

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8373/pentagonhitib1.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Am i seeing things or does that date say SEPTEMBER THE 12TH?????

"As soon as one point is removed from the sphere of dogmatic certainty, the discussion may not simply result in a new and better formulation, but may easily lead to endless debates and general confusion."
-- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=uTnnf4nlNHg

[sylvester1colle]

I think it interesting that the new,s channel got the first plain crashing in to the first tower.

[sylvester1colle]

I think it is ineresting watching the wideo, i can,t see a 747 crashing in to pentagon, maybe the plain is to smal to see or there is no plain at all.

[lightgiver]

I think it is ineresting watching the wideo, i can,t see a 747 crashing in to pentagon, maybe the plain is to smal to see or there is no plain at all.

Exactly,to me it looks like a missile coming in from the right hand side,its that quick.did i say pause at 1,27.i think.and the date no explanation from tptb:confused:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1205/aambbregbi0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Put some wings on this and it just gives you another angle on things.

now i do not know if this pic is real or not,but blanking out eyes does say a lot,if it was just a normal everyday missile;)why blank out the eyes,maybe just to give added effect,who knows,but i am still convinced a missile hit the pentagram.

Armies for the preservation of peace do not exist; they exist only for the triumphant exertion of war.

[mynameis]

Exactly,to me it looks like a missile coming in from the right hand side,its that quick.did i say pause at 1,27.i think.and the date no explanation from tptb:confused:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1205/aambbregbi0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Put some wings on this and it just gives you another angle on things.

now i do not know if this pic is real or not,but blanking out eyes does say a lot,if it was just a normal everyday missile;)why blank out the eyes,maybe just to give added effect,who knows,but i am still convinced a missile hit the pentagram.

Armies for the preservation of peace do not exist; they exist only for the triumphant exertion of war.

That's a photoshop job. Do some digging with the key words on google and you'll read about it.

[lightgiver]

That's a photoshop job. Do some digging with the key words on google and you'll read about it.

Yes maybe,or maybe not,but it does give one the idea how such an operation can or could be carried out.

you know what surprises me,when people post pics or evidence on here,some people if it does not agree with their mindset they automatically assume its fake,but when the mainstream media or the official story tellers post all their info,on the news or internet we are supposed to believe its all true?

"All propaganda must be popular and its intellectual level must be adjusted to the most limited intelligence among those it is addressed to. Consequently, the greater the mass it is intended to reach, the lower its purely intellectual level will have to be."


"The grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down."

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9250/bushrefugeshanksvillefd2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

after all this is doctored,but we still know bush and his cronies are nazis.

http://www.rense.com/general73/foia.htm

[mynameis]

Your information should contain multiple sources. By no means was any large investigation completed over the course of a short time. Through the use of Occam's razor, if there's nothing to back up a person's claims except their word, even as an expert I'd still need other conformation to back up a claim.

http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pics/missile1.jpg

[lightgiver]

Your information should contain multiple sources. By no means was any large investigation completed over the course of a short time. Through the use of Occam's razor, if there's nothing to back up a person's claims except their word, even as an expert I'd still need other conformation to back up a claim.

http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pics/missile1.jpg

Ditto.any pic can be doctored including your sources?

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-86

also cannot find source of info relating to pic?can you source me the pic you posted?

This still does not mean a missile was not used.I posted the original pic to show how easy it is to carry out such an operation.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1193/alcmcruisemissilefc2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/305/nosetailso5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8736/natoswastikaqc1.gif (http://imageshack.us)

"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's mind there are few."
-- Shunryu Suzuki

I prefer to rely on common sense than occams razor.

[devolinctus]

Yes maybe,or maybe not,but it does give one the idea how such an operation can or could be carried out.

you know what surprises me,when people post pics or evidence on here,some people if it does not agree with their mindset they automatically assume its fake,but when the mainstream media or the official story tellers post all their info,on the news or internet we are supposed to believe its all true?

"All propaganda must be popular and its intellectual level must be adjusted to the most limited intelligence among those it is addressed to. Consequently, the greater the mass it is intended to reach, the lower its purely intellectual level will have to be."


"The grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down."

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9250/bushrefugeshanksvillefd2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

after all this is doctored,but we still know bush and his cronies are nazis.

http://www.rense.com/general73/foia.htm

lmfao, you still got the nazis runnin things?, lol, forget the nazis, forget the montauk boys, forget the nazi bases in antatrctic, the muslims want you ass, and they are rollin and wont give up until they all are dead, so quit wringing your hands, and do something about it, lol

[lightgiver]

lmfao, you still got the nazis runnin things?, lol, forget the nazis, forget the montauk boys, forget the nazi bases in antatrctic, the muslims want you ass, and they are rollin and wont give up until they all are dead, so quit wringing your hands, and do something about it, lol

What are you on about:confused:could you convey yourself a bit clearer please.

The bush administration and their masters are using nazi ideology's if you cannot see that,then i would do some researching if i was you;)

Göring and Goebbels, with Hitler's approval, then hatched a plan to cause panic by burning the Reichstag building and blaming the Communists. The Reichstag was the building in Berlin where the elected members of the republic met to conduct the daily business of government.

Reichstag Fire

Reichstag fire, burning of the Reichstag (parliament) building in Berlin, on the night of Feb. 27, 1933, a key event in the establishment of the Nazi dictatorship and widely believed to have been contrived by the newly formed Nazi government itself to turn public opinion against its opponents and to assume emergency powers ... his propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, is supposed to have devised the scheme. ... On Feb. 28, 1933, the day after the fire, Hitler's dictatorship began with the enactment of a decree "for the Protection of the People and the State," which dispensed with all constitutional protection of political, personal, and property rights.

"When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President. Now I'm beginning to believe it."
-- Clarence Darrow
http://www.mapcruzin.com/news/terrorspeak021803a.htm
http://www.rense.com/general73/foia.htm

[devolinctus]

What are you on about:confused:could you convey yourself a bit clearer please.

The bush administration and their masters are using nazi ideology's if you cannot see that,then i would do some researching if i was you;)

Göring and Goebbels, with Hitler's approval, then hatched a plan to cause panic by burning the Reichstag building and blaming the Communists. The Reichstag was the building in Berlin where the elected members of the republic met to conduct the daily business of government.

Reichstag Fire

Reichstag fire, burning of the Reichstag (parliament) building in Berlin, on the night of Feb. 27, 1933, a key event in the establishment of the Nazi dictatorship and widely believed to have been contrived by the newly formed Nazi government itself to turn public opinion against its opponents and to assume emergency powers ... his propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, is supposed to have devised the scheme. ... On Feb. 28, 1933, the day after the fire, Hitler's dictatorship began with the enactment of a decree "for the Protection of the People and the State," which dispensed with all constitutional protection of political, personal, and property rights.

"When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President. Now I'm beginning to believe it."
-- Clarence Darrow
http://www.mapcruzin.com/news/terrorspeak021803a.htm
http://www.rense.com/general73/foia.htm

do your homework

[stelios]

lmfao, you still got the nazis runnin things?, lol, forget the nazis, forget the montauk boys, forget the nazi bases in antatrctic, the muslims want you ass, and they are rollin and wont give up until they all are dead, so quit wringing your hands, and do something about it, lol
Yet Another Inbred Redneck.
Just what we needed.

[lightgiver]

do your homework

I have,for a number of years i have been watching the neo cons:eek:

http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/387/11693_bush.html

http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/hitlerbush.htm

http://emergent79.wordpress.com/category/adolph-hitler/

http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2gs-NUtc

1 video posted. there are hundreds:DLOL:D

[umbrex]

its all about keeping an open mind ...without letting your brain fall out

[lightgiver]

its all about keeping an open mind ...without letting your brain fall out

http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/2nd-hit/fooled-again-911.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/2nd-hit.html&h=299&w=444&sz=12&hl=en&start=56&um=1&usg=__Xfuzgx7kmi4gqBiyLT1UkdryoHU=&tbnid=tUGhiHW_pHHEBM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhelicopter%2Bon%2B911%2Bwith%2Bprojec tion%2Bscreen%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26 hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DN

[lightgiver]

its all about keeping an open mind ...without letting your brain fall out

It helps if you have brain in the first place:D

http://www.oilempire.us/remote.html

[umbrex]

It helps if you have brain in the first place:D

http://www.oilempire.us/remote.html

how many people were taking photos of wtc after the first plane crashed ?

lotsa people.

is there a pretty fair chance of one of those photos being taking, just as plane 2 was about to hit ??

id say so.

Can most people agree that crashing a boeing into the pentagon, won't make it smell like cordite and that it was most probably a missile hitting ?

Yes, i'd say so.

It helps if you have brain in the first place:D

it doesn't help unless u use it.

[largejack]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is obvious, because the first plane hit the other tower about 15 minutes before this one, so the world and his wife were pointing cameras at the scene as the second plane hit.

If someone caught a similar shot of the first plane hitting the tower, then THAT would be interesting.

Still could be possible, thousands of tourists must have took photos of those buildings each day

[largejack]

The most interesting thing about the photo is the bulge on the bottom of the plane

[lightgiver]

Yes that bulge is out of place.When replying peeps put a title on your post,spread the message and all that;)

[number 6]

The most interesting thing about the photo is the bulge on the bottom of the plane


I spoke to some aeroplane engineers recently and apparently a bulge on the fuselage, underneath the wings, is quite normal. It's to strengthen the area where the wings are attached. That bit is true because they backed it up with many photos of different types of aircraft.

The strange thing about that image is that the bulge appears off centre. When I questioned this I was told it was due to the light reflecting more off one side. Yeah.... I'm not so sure about that but they seemed to believe what they were telling me. I'm still confused as to what it is.

[oiram]

I like this one!of course not ;) it was a flying pig.
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/930/gk324flyingpigrgbfinallsw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/Laughing_Hyenaf.gif

[lightgiver]

:Dlol:D

[devolinctus]

where's this atta guy, everybody wants to ask him why he .and his mates were working for the yanks, dying an all, such freinds you dont often come across?

[banoyes]

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8373/pentagonhitib1.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Notice the shadow of the box and the ajoining sidewalk.
Ever see a shadow outline itself before
The whole thing is photoshop

[quetzalcoatl]

Notice the shadow of the box and the ajoining sidewalk.
Ever see a shadow outline itself before
The whole thing is photoshop

Also note the wrong date (bottom-left) & it seems to be missing a frame.. cover-up anyone? :rolleyes:

[l1ndsaystarr]

On a different note, but related to 9-11 (probably should be posting this on another thread...but since you're all tuned into this thread....)

In a video on youtube president Bush says something like (can't remember word for word)

I was in the school and when I saw the first plane hit, I was very alarmed

BUT ISN'T IT TRUE THAT THE FIRST PLANE CRASHING WAS NOT AIRED??????? HOW COULD HE HAVE SEEN THE FIRST PLANE HIT????
THIS WAS HUUUUUUGE I THOUGHT. BUT many of my friends said, well, maybe... blah blah

WELL MAYBE NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS BLATANT LYING.

The government probably CRINGED when he said this, but---

*phew* "the american people won't catch onto that"

I'll try to find the video.....

it's really irritating.
:mad:

[l1ndsaystarr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-h4Zc57QKg&feature=related


Bush says he saw first plane crash.

How could GW see what he said he saw????

HmMmMmM? :mad:

[analog matrix dweller]

I think bush is just a bit of a goober and doesnt really know what he was saying.

does anyone think anymore evidence will come out - an indisputable smoking gun or is what we have now, all we will have to go on ? coz if it is , i believe they have kept the lid on it.