masonic3
11-05-2007, 04:18 PM
Easily lead!
Right then, you lot (as in the members of this forum) have a very big problem.
I have been: leading you down the garden path, pulling your leg, to prove a point to you all. Which was;
How easily lead you all are.
At the start I tried to give you “The real facts of Freemasonry” which is quoted below.
This quote is the real facts of freemasonry, but you all wanted to believe in this hidden “Bull shit order” which only works after the three degrees of craft?!
Or the 33 degrees?
So I gave you what you wanted, but its all bollocks and you all need to wake up and get on with living.
:eek: Freemasonry in England today
I have decided to write this thread and put some of the “myths” to rights on this forum, as a lot of members think they know “facts.” In reality, what you are about to read is “fact.”
This is fact because I say it is, as I am a Freemason in England today.
How it began in England:)
It is not known. The earliest recorded 'making' of a Freemason in England is that of Elias Ashmole in 1646. Organised Freemasonry began with the founding of the Grand Lodge of England on 24 June 1717, the first Grand Lodge in the world. Ireland followed in 1725 and Scotland in 1736. All the regular Grand Lodges in the world trace themselves back to one or more of the Grand Lodges in the British Isles. There are two main theories of origin. According to one, the operative stonemasons who built the great cathedrals and castles had lodges in which they discussed trade affairs. They had simple initiation ceremonies and, as there were no City and Guilds certificates, dues cards or trade union membership cards, they adopted secret signs and words to demonstrate that they were trained masons when they moved from site to site. In the 1600s, these operative lodges began to accept non-operatives as "gentlemen masons". Gradually this non-operative took over the lodges and turned them from operative to 'free and accepted' or 'speculative' lodges. The other theory is that in the late 1500s and early 1600s, there was a group which was interested in the promotion of religious and political tolerance in an age of great intolerance when differences of opinion on matters of religion and politics were to lead to bloody civil war. In forming Freemasonry, they were trying to make better men and build a better world. As the means of teaching in those days was by allegory and symbolism, they took the idea of building as the central allegory on which to form their system. The main source of allegory was the Bible, the contents of which were known to everyone even if they could not read, and the only building described in detail in the Bible was King Solomon's Temple, which became the basis of the ritual. The old trade guilds provided them with their basis administration of a Master, Wardens, Treasurer and Secretary, and the operative mason's tools provided them with a wealth of symbols with which to illustrate the moral teachings of Freemasonry.
Freemasonry in England
All lodges in England are under the “United Grand Lodge of England” UGLE for short.
All lodges under the UGLE are issued with a warrant (This is proof that they follow the rules of UGLE) I can only visit lodges with this warrant, but lucky for me all Lodges in England are under the UGLE. And have this warrant.
Lodges outside of England
I can only visit lodges that are recognised by the UGLE, so I would have to check through my Lodge, a lot of Masonic groups in the USA are not under the UGLE so I could not visit them nor would I want to
The United Grand Lodge of England has 730 Lodges operating in a number of countries around the world.
Many of these Lodges are overseen by a District Grand Lodge, of which there are 32. Five groups of Lodges are too small to make up a District and are therefore overseen by a Grand Inspector. Twelve individual Lodges do not come under the jurisdiction of a District or Grand Inspector and are known as NUD Lodges.
Lodges in the USA:mad: :rolleyes:
A lot of Masonic groups in the USA are not under the UGLE so I could not visit them nor would I want to.
Freemasonry in the USA is a shambles and a lot of there Masonic groups are fake, they are made up, as anyone can say they are the head of an Masonic order.
You could start one “David’s Masonic Knights” but it would not be under the UGLE.
Overall the UGLE
Under the United Grand Lodge of England, there are 330,000 Freemasons, meeting in 8,644 lodges. There are separate Grand Lodges for Ireland (which covers north and south) and Scotland, with a combined membership of 150,000. Worldwide, there are probably 5 million members.
Are there 33 Degrees
The simple answer is no!:eek: :mad: :confused:
Freemasonry consists of the three 'Craft' degrees (Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft and Master Mason) completed by the Royal Arch degree (Chapter). There are many other Masonic degrees and Orders which are called 'additional' because they add to the basis of the Craft and Royal Arch. They are not basic to Freemasonry but add to it by further expounding and illustrating the principles stated in the Craft and Royal Arch. Some of these additional degrees are numerically superior to the third degree but this does not affect the fact that they are additional to and not in anyway superior to or higher than the Craft. The ranks that these additional degrees carry have no standing with the Craft or Royal Arch.
The 33 degree Scottish rite :rolleyes:
The local Scottish rite organization confers the 4th through 32nd degrees in degree-conferring meetings. The Scottish rite is sometimes called the "College of Freemasonry," because it uses extensive allegory and drama to emphasize the message of its degrees. The degree work may, but not necessarily, be completed at one time.
The Scottish Rite shares the belief of all Masonic organizations that there is no higher degree than that of Master Mason. The degrees are in addition to, and in no way "higher" than, those of Blue Lodge, or Craft Lodge, Masonry. Scottish Rite degrees simply amplify and elaborate on the lessons of the craft, providing further knowledge of Masonry, the building of the Temple, and ancient religions, with memorable lessons ranging from the days of chivalry to modern times.
The Scottish Rite in the name of a ritual, my lodge uses the ritual called “Commonsense”
The Knights Templar ;) :rolleyes:
The templar are real I know some and will be one in the future, they use my lodge.
To become a KT you must be a Master mason and have also the right to read Mark and Chapter degrees.
Then if you are lucky you will be asked to join…………..
Freemasonry and Religion
Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. It demands of its members a belief in a Supreme Being but provides no system of faith of its own.
Freemasonry is open to men of all religious faiths. The discussion of religion at its meetings is forbidden.
The Supreme Being
The names used for the Supreme Being enable men of different faiths to join in prayer (to God as each sees Him) without the terms of the prayer causing dissention among them.
There is no separate Masonic God; a Freemason's God remains the God of the religion he professes.
Freemasons meet in common respect for the Supreme Being, but He remains Supreme in their individual religions, and it is no part of Freemasonry to attempt to join religions together. There is therefore no composite Masonic God.
Volume of the Sacred Law
The Bible, referred to by Freemasons as the Volume of the Sacred Law, is always open at every Masonic meeting.
The Obligation of Freemasonry
The Obligations taken by Freemasons are sworn on or involve the Volume of the Sacred Law, or the book held sacred by those concerned. They are undertakings to help keep secret a Freemason's means of recognition, and to follow the principles of Freemasonry.
The physical penalties, which are purely symbolic, do not form part of an Obligation. The commitment to follow the principles of Freemasonry is, however, deep.
Freemasonry Compared with Religion
Freemasonry lacks the basic elements of religion.
a) it has no theological doctrine, and by forbidding religious discussion at its meetings will not allow a Masonic theological doctrine to develop.
b) It offers no sacraments.
c) It does not claim to lead to salvation by works, by secret knowledge or by any other means. The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with modes of recognition and not with salvation.
Freemasonry Supports Religion
Freemasonry is far from indifferent to religion. Without interfering in religious practice it expects each member to follow his own faith, and to place above all other duties his duty to God, by whatever name He is known. Its moral teachings are acceptable to all religions.
Freemasonry is thus a supporter of religion.
Freemasonry: Your Questions Answered
Q Why are you a secret society?
A We are not, but lodge meetings, like those of many other groups, are private and open only to members. The rules and aims of Freemasonry are available to the public. Meeting places are known and in many areas are used by the local community for activities other than Freemasonry. Members are encouraged to speak openly about Freemasonry.
Q What are the secrets of Freemasonry?
A The secrets in Freemasonry are the traditional modes of recognition which are not used indiscriminately, but solely as a test of membership, e.g. when visiting a Lodge where you are not known.
Q What happens at a lodge meeting?
A The meeting is in two parts. As in any association there is a certain amount of administrative procedure - minutes of last meeting, proposing and balloting for new members, discussing and voting on financial matters, election of officers, news and correspondence. Then there are the ceremonies for admitting new Masons and the annual installation of the Master and appointment of officers. The three ceremonies for admitting a new Mason are in two parts - a slight dramatic instruction in the principles and lessons taught in the Craft followed by a lecture in which the candidate's various duties are spelled out.
Q Why do Freemasons take oaths?
A New members make solemn promises concerning their conduct in Lodge and in society. Each member also promises to keep confidential the traditional methods of proving that he is a Freemason which he would use when visiting a lodge where he is not known. Freemasons do not swear allegiances to each other or to Freemasonry. Freemasons promise to support others in times of need, but only if that support does not conflict with their duties to God, the law, their family or with their responsibilities as a Citizen.
Q Why do your 'obligations' contain hideous penalties?
A They no longer do. When Masonic ritual was developing in the late 1600s and 1700s it was quite common for legal and civil oaths to include physical penalties and Freemasonry simply followed the practice of the times. In Freemasonry, however, the physical penalties were always symbolic and were never carried out. After long discussion, they were removed from the promises in 1986.
This statement is the truth about freemasonry, there is no 15th Degree its bollocks.
Can’t you all see if you believed what I wrote, how much of what David Icke says is right?
There are more than 3 degrees in freemasonry and some side orders but there’s no hidden order within or above us.
Most freemasons are old men who are retried just trying to keep them selves active we are a charitable society who just have a secret hand shake, that’s all.
All we do in Lodge is have a few drinks go in the temple act out some plays and then have a meal and a few more drinks after.
People like David Icke can use us to try and prove secret World Orders!
One day you will see through all that crap.
Please ask David Icke to explain all the money we give to Charity?
When 911 happened we(The English Freemasons) sent over 1 million pounds to help the people of New York! Explain that? NOW? No just charity and hope!
We always give/do so much for charity, but we don’t make a fuss about, what has David Icke or Alan watts done for charity. Nothing!!!!??
Geez, making me paranoid now ffs lol. The masons not a mason, does that mean the none masons on here are masons???? Guess it's possible. Which sceanrio do I believe? I don't know!
You'd have to be an expert on masonry to judge for yourself, but a none mason could well know more than a mason does about masonry! I know a bit, but I'm sure others here know alot more than me.
How can Any one who is not a freemason know more about freemasonry than a freemason?
You all are really being led down a road of deluded sheep!
Please think about what you were like before you started down this path, what would of you thought of your self now?
Deluded?
Is david Icke a freemason:
No way is he I made it up, just to show you that media can put a peace of (Is he) in your mind so easily.
David Icke can not be a freemason because in his interview I am sure that they would think that he is not of sound mind because of his Ideas.
Right then, you lot (as in the members of this forum) have a very big problem.
I have been: leading you down the garden path, pulling your leg, to prove a point to you all. Which was;
How easily lead you all are.
At the start I tried to give you “The real facts of Freemasonry” which is quoted below.
This quote is the real facts of freemasonry, but you all wanted to believe in this hidden “Bull shit order” which only works after the three degrees of craft?!
Or the 33 degrees?
So I gave you what you wanted, but its all bollocks and you all need to wake up and get on with living.
:eek: Freemasonry in England today
I have decided to write this thread and put some of the “myths” to rights on this forum, as a lot of members think they know “facts.” In reality, what you are about to read is “fact.”
This is fact because I say it is, as I am a Freemason in England today.
How it began in England:)
It is not known. The earliest recorded 'making' of a Freemason in England is that of Elias Ashmole in 1646. Organised Freemasonry began with the founding of the Grand Lodge of England on 24 June 1717, the first Grand Lodge in the world. Ireland followed in 1725 and Scotland in 1736. All the regular Grand Lodges in the world trace themselves back to one or more of the Grand Lodges in the British Isles. There are two main theories of origin. According to one, the operative stonemasons who built the great cathedrals and castles had lodges in which they discussed trade affairs. They had simple initiation ceremonies and, as there were no City and Guilds certificates, dues cards or trade union membership cards, they adopted secret signs and words to demonstrate that they were trained masons when they moved from site to site. In the 1600s, these operative lodges began to accept non-operatives as "gentlemen masons". Gradually this non-operative took over the lodges and turned them from operative to 'free and accepted' or 'speculative' lodges. The other theory is that in the late 1500s and early 1600s, there was a group which was interested in the promotion of religious and political tolerance in an age of great intolerance when differences of opinion on matters of religion and politics were to lead to bloody civil war. In forming Freemasonry, they were trying to make better men and build a better world. As the means of teaching in those days was by allegory and symbolism, they took the idea of building as the central allegory on which to form their system. The main source of allegory was the Bible, the contents of which were known to everyone even if they could not read, and the only building described in detail in the Bible was King Solomon's Temple, which became the basis of the ritual. The old trade guilds provided them with their basis administration of a Master, Wardens, Treasurer and Secretary, and the operative mason's tools provided them with a wealth of symbols with which to illustrate the moral teachings of Freemasonry.
Freemasonry in England
All lodges in England are under the “United Grand Lodge of England” UGLE for short.
All lodges under the UGLE are issued with a warrant (This is proof that they follow the rules of UGLE) I can only visit lodges with this warrant, but lucky for me all Lodges in England are under the UGLE. And have this warrant.
Lodges outside of England
I can only visit lodges that are recognised by the UGLE, so I would have to check through my Lodge, a lot of Masonic groups in the USA are not under the UGLE so I could not visit them nor would I want to
The United Grand Lodge of England has 730 Lodges operating in a number of countries around the world.
Many of these Lodges are overseen by a District Grand Lodge, of which there are 32. Five groups of Lodges are too small to make up a District and are therefore overseen by a Grand Inspector. Twelve individual Lodges do not come under the jurisdiction of a District or Grand Inspector and are known as NUD Lodges.
Lodges in the USA:mad: :rolleyes:
A lot of Masonic groups in the USA are not under the UGLE so I could not visit them nor would I want to.
Freemasonry in the USA is a shambles and a lot of there Masonic groups are fake, they are made up, as anyone can say they are the head of an Masonic order.
You could start one “David’s Masonic Knights” but it would not be under the UGLE.
Overall the UGLE
Under the United Grand Lodge of England, there are 330,000 Freemasons, meeting in 8,644 lodges. There are separate Grand Lodges for Ireland (which covers north and south) and Scotland, with a combined membership of 150,000. Worldwide, there are probably 5 million members.
Are there 33 Degrees
The simple answer is no!:eek: :mad: :confused:
Freemasonry consists of the three 'Craft' degrees (Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft and Master Mason) completed by the Royal Arch degree (Chapter). There are many other Masonic degrees and Orders which are called 'additional' because they add to the basis of the Craft and Royal Arch. They are not basic to Freemasonry but add to it by further expounding and illustrating the principles stated in the Craft and Royal Arch. Some of these additional degrees are numerically superior to the third degree but this does not affect the fact that they are additional to and not in anyway superior to or higher than the Craft. The ranks that these additional degrees carry have no standing with the Craft or Royal Arch.
The 33 degree Scottish rite :rolleyes:
The local Scottish rite organization confers the 4th through 32nd degrees in degree-conferring meetings. The Scottish rite is sometimes called the "College of Freemasonry," because it uses extensive allegory and drama to emphasize the message of its degrees. The degree work may, but not necessarily, be completed at one time.
The Scottish Rite shares the belief of all Masonic organizations that there is no higher degree than that of Master Mason. The degrees are in addition to, and in no way "higher" than, those of Blue Lodge, or Craft Lodge, Masonry. Scottish Rite degrees simply amplify and elaborate on the lessons of the craft, providing further knowledge of Masonry, the building of the Temple, and ancient religions, with memorable lessons ranging from the days of chivalry to modern times.
The Scottish Rite in the name of a ritual, my lodge uses the ritual called “Commonsense”
The Knights Templar ;) :rolleyes:
The templar are real I know some and will be one in the future, they use my lodge.
To become a KT you must be a Master mason and have also the right to read Mark and Chapter degrees.
Then if you are lucky you will be asked to join…………..
Freemasonry and Religion
Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. It demands of its members a belief in a Supreme Being but provides no system of faith of its own.
Freemasonry is open to men of all religious faiths. The discussion of religion at its meetings is forbidden.
The Supreme Being
The names used for the Supreme Being enable men of different faiths to join in prayer (to God as each sees Him) without the terms of the prayer causing dissention among them.
There is no separate Masonic God; a Freemason's God remains the God of the religion he professes.
Freemasons meet in common respect for the Supreme Being, but He remains Supreme in their individual religions, and it is no part of Freemasonry to attempt to join religions together. There is therefore no composite Masonic God.
Volume of the Sacred Law
The Bible, referred to by Freemasons as the Volume of the Sacred Law, is always open at every Masonic meeting.
The Obligation of Freemasonry
The Obligations taken by Freemasons are sworn on or involve the Volume of the Sacred Law, or the book held sacred by those concerned. They are undertakings to help keep secret a Freemason's means of recognition, and to follow the principles of Freemasonry.
The physical penalties, which are purely symbolic, do not form part of an Obligation. The commitment to follow the principles of Freemasonry is, however, deep.
Freemasonry Compared with Religion
Freemasonry lacks the basic elements of religion.
a) it has no theological doctrine, and by forbidding religious discussion at its meetings will not allow a Masonic theological doctrine to develop.
b) It offers no sacraments.
c) It does not claim to lead to salvation by works, by secret knowledge or by any other means. The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with modes of recognition and not with salvation.
Freemasonry Supports Religion
Freemasonry is far from indifferent to religion. Without interfering in religious practice it expects each member to follow his own faith, and to place above all other duties his duty to God, by whatever name He is known. Its moral teachings are acceptable to all religions.
Freemasonry is thus a supporter of religion.
Freemasonry: Your Questions Answered
Q Why are you a secret society?
A We are not, but lodge meetings, like those of many other groups, are private and open only to members. The rules and aims of Freemasonry are available to the public. Meeting places are known and in many areas are used by the local community for activities other than Freemasonry. Members are encouraged to speak openly about Freemasonry.
Q What are the secrets of Freemasonry?
A The secrets in Freemasonry are the traditional modes of recognition which are not used indiscriminately, but solely as a test of membership, e.g. when visiting a Lodge where you are not known.
Q What happens at a lodge meeting?
A The meeting is in two parts. As in any association there is a certain amount of administrative procedure - minutes of last meeting, proposing and balloting for new members, discussing and voting on financial matters, election of officers, news and correspondence. Then there are the ceremonies for admitting new Masons and the annual installation of the Master and appointment of officers. The three ceremonies for admitting a new Mason are in two parts - a slight dramatic instruction in the principles and lessons taught in the Craft followed by a lecture in which the candidate's various duties are spelled out.
Q Why do Freemasons take oaths?
A New members make solemn promises concerning their conduct in Lodge and in society. Each member also promises to keep confidential the traditional methods of proving that he is a Freemason which he would use when visiting a lodge where he is not known. Freemasons do not swear allegiances to each other or to Freemasonry. Freemasons promise to support others in times of need, but only if that support does not conflict with their duties to God, the law, their family or with their responsibilities as a Citizen.
Q Why do your 'obligations' contain hideous penalties?
A They no longer do. When Masonic ritual was developing in the late 1600s and 1700s it was quite common for legal and civil oaths to include physical penalties and Freemasonry simply followed the practice of the times. In Freemasonry, however, the physical penalties were always symbolic and were never carried out. After long discussion, they were removed from the promises in 1986.
This statement is the truth about freemasonry, there is no 15th Degree its bollocks.
Can’t you all see if you believed what I wrote, how much of what David Icke says is right?
There are more than 3 degrees in freemasonry and some side orders but there’s no hidden order within or above us.
Most freemasons are old men who are retried just trying to keep them selves active we are a charitable society who just have a secret hand shake, that’s all.
All we do in Lodge is have a few drinks go in the temple act out some plays and then have a meal and a few more drinks after.
People like David Icke can use us to try and prove secret World Orders!
One day you will see through all that crap.
Please ask David Icke to explain all the money we give to Charity?
When 911 happened we(The English Freemasons) sent over 1 million pounds to help the people of New York! Explain that? NOW? No just charity and hope!
We always give/do so much for charity, but we don’t make a fuss about, what has David Icke or Alan watts done for charity. Nothing!!!!??
Geez, making me paranoid now ffs lol. The masons not a mason, does that mean the none masons on here are masons???? Guess it's possible. Which sceanrio do I believe? I don't know!
You'd have to be an expert on masonry to judge for yourself, but a none mason could well know more than a mason does about masonry! I know a bit, but I'm sure others here know alot more than me.
How can Any one who is not a freemason know more about freemasonry than a freemason?
You all are really being led down a road of deluded sheep!
Please think about what you were like before you started down this path, what would of you thought of your self now?
Deluded?
Is david Icke a freemason:
No way is he I made it up, just to show you that media can put a peace of (Is he) in your mind so easily.
David Icke can not be a freemason because in his interview I am sure that they would think that he is not of sound mind because of his Ideas.