Religulous

[auroral_iris]

looks hilarious..go to http://disbeliefnet.com/ to watch two brainwashed christians try and defend it ..they honestly make me want to puke..

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[drhemp]

Thanks for sharing this, it looks hilarious, when's it out?

I seldom watch new films these days, so would have probably missed this, but I'll look out for it.

[titurel]

looks hilarious..go to http://disbeliefnet.com/ (http://<b>http://disbeliefnet.com/</b>) to watch two brainwashed christians try and defend it ..they honestly make me want to puke..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB8fPJ6zds8
The Prophesied Fall of Churchianity

You're already preaching to the converted. I'm just as anxious to see the demise and fall of the empire of the Elite's Babylon the Great religion, just as much as most on this forum. The fall of the Church of Rome would also fulfill the second most dramatic prophecy of the Bible that takes places in the immediate run up to the battle of Armageddon. The fall of Churchianity may not be that many years away now!

[steevo]

Bill Maher is working for the NWO agenda.

This movie looks to me to be all about creating YET MORE divison (divide and rule). It is trying to cause divisions between religious people and non religious people. It make me wanna puke.

[drhemp]

Looks like a bit of a laugh to me. Some of the crazy Christians in the USA are asking to have the piss taken out of them if you ask me.

[titurel]

The Fall of the Church of Rome


Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.

Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. This title was written on her forehead:

MYSTERY
BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH

I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished.

Revelation 17:1-6

[kasalt]

The Fall of the Church of Rome

You think there aren't countless millions of Roman Catholics who bare testimony to Jesus?

[tracker]

well i cant wait for that to come out , looks good .:cool:

[drhemp]

titurel, can't you think for yourself, rather than quoting from the bible all the time? if people wanted to read bible quotes, there are a plethora of other web sites they could go to, why do you have to keep littering this forum with that nonsense?

[titurel]

The Roman Church dangerously riding the back of the Global Political Beast

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3127/revelationcirceax1.jpg

[tracker]

titurel, can't you think for yourself, rather than quoting from the bible all the time? if people wanted to read bible quotes, there are a plethora of other web sites they could go to, why do you have to keep littering this forum with that nonsense?

you already answered it for your self .

it was in the question .:D

[titurel]

titurel, can't you think for yourself, rather than quoting from the bible all the time? if people wanted to read bible quotes, there are a plethora of other web sites they could go to, why do you have to keep littering this forum with that nonsense?
I don't tell you what can or cannot post. If you don't want to read a post, just ignore it - that's what most sane people do! Why torment yourself when your hidden agenda is in truth to censor vital information and prevent others from seeing it?

[drhemp]

http://www.canedintotnes.co.uk/images/twr/last1sh.jpg

[titurel]

Here's an animation I did focusing just on the global political beast

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4661/thebeastanigk3.gif

[drhemp]

I don't tell you what can or cannot post. If you don't want to read a post, just ignore it - that's what most sane people do! Why torment yourself when your hidden agenda is in truth to censor vital information and prevent others from seeing it?

It's clear from not only this reply but also from other replies on other threads that you are intent on publishing biblical quotes at every opportunity. I'm just curious why you should want to do this on David Icke's forum, considering Icke's views on Christianity himself? Wouldn't you be better off publishing these quotes on a biblical or Christian forum? Try google:
302 Moved - give it a go, you might even find you don't get such a hostile response.

[titurel]

It's clear from not only this reply but also from other replies on other threads that you are intent on publishing biblical quotes at every opportunity. I'm just curious why you should want to do this on David Icke's forum, considering Icke's views on Christianity himself. Wouldn't you be better off publishing these quotes on a biblical or Christian forum? Try google:
http://www.google.com/search?q=christian+forum&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a - give it a go, you might even find you don't get such a hostile response.
I don't tell you what can or cannot post. If you don't want to read a post, just ignore it - that's what most sane people do! Why torment yourself when your hidden agenda is in truth to censor vital information and prevent others from seeing it?

[drhemp]

I don't tell you what can or cannot post. If you don't want to read a post, just ignore it - that's what most sane people do! Why torment yourself when your hidden agenda is in truth to censor vital information and prevent others from seeing it?

Never mind, I think I'm banging my head against a brick wall with you; if it's any consolation, I don't actually read any of those long boring biblical passages you keep on posting.

[kasalt]

Bill Maher on Larry King Live

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2008/02/bill_maher_on_l.html

David Icke makes an appearance in this film too, btw.

[steevo]

Bill Maher on Larry King Live

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2008/02/bill_maher_on_l.html

David Icke makes an appearance in this film too, btw.

Maher and King are both working for the NWO in my opinion. So I dont take EITHER of them at face value. Maybe this movie has an NWO linked agenda, such as to ban free speech ? Who knows. But when Maher is involved I know there is something wrong. He is a half truther.

[titurel]

if it's any consolation, I don't actually read any of those long boring biblical passages you keep on posting.
What are you complaining about then? Just goes to show that your hidden agenda is to censor and prevent others from viewing information.

[drhemp]

What are you complaining about then? Just goes to show that your hidden agenda is to censor and prevent others from viewing information.

Because this is not a biblical forum! Can't I suggest that you post biblical quotes on a Christian web site rather than this one? Would you post biblical passages on an F1 Motor Racing Forum (maybe you would?) I simply cannot for the life of me see why you believe this stuff should be of interest or relevance on David Icke's forum.

[titurel]

Because this is not a biblical forum! Can't I suggest that you post biblical quotes on a Christian web site rather than this one? Would you post biblical passages on an F1 Motor Racing Forum (maybe you would?) I simply cannot for the life of me see why you believe this stuff should be of interest or relevance on David Icke's forum.
LOL!!! I didn't start this thread called "Religulous"! Your agenda is to censor and prevent others viewing information. Get REAL! :rolleyes:

[duckingdafta]

Because this is not a biblical forum! Can't I suggest that you post biblical quotes on a Christian web site rather than this one? Would you post biblical passages on an F1 Motor Racing Forum (maybe you would?) I simply cannot for the life of me see why you believe this stuff should be of interest or relevance on David Icke's forum.

I probably have... I say things like "Jesus christ!, that ducking Lewis is one god damn spawny twat!" :D

[auroral_iris]

Because this is not a biblical forum! Can't I suggest that you post biblical quotes on a Christian web site rather than this one? Would you post biblical passages on an F1 Motor Racing Forum (maybe you would?) I simply cannot for the life of me see why you believe this stuff should be of interest or relevance on David Icke's forum.

i agree completley...these morons or "religious people" quote their fairy tales or try to defend it on a... DAVID ICKE forum? ... i believe its because they think their doing "gods work" by trying to spread the word of the lord...and yeah man there already is division between us..because honestly, i think anyone who is religious is a fucking idiot...they arent even worth talking to because of the filth they believe ..and if u do talk to them its like you have to filter your words because if something pops out that is anti-religious theyll get all defensive and hate you or try to convert you...religious people just piss me off so much...especially when you ask for proof...and they give you fucking BIBLE QUOTESTHE BIBLE IS NOT PROOF , I WANT PROOF...theres tons of proof that the bible is a made up story..and that its meant to control you...and the evil reptiod peices of shit who sat around writing these religions to divide the world and control us ..people like this titwhatever..(cant see his name because im writing a post) are making it pretty damn easy for them...THEY are the reason are world is where it is..they are the reason there are wars..they are the reason why everyone is so ignorant and policital


RELIGION IS KILLING HUMANITY

[titurel]

RELIGION IS KILLING HUMANITY
You're preaching to the already converted in this regard, which is why I belong to no religion led by men. God said he did not intend for man to worship in buildings made of human hands!

[bendoon]

RELIGION IS KILLING HUMANITY

Lol, I thought it was the Illuminati (or whatever you wish to call them)

[titurel]

THE BIBLE IS NOT PROOF , I WANT PROOF...
In order to find proof in the Bible you have to take what the Bible says about the forces influencing our world and compare that to what we can actually find out about our world and the forces that move through it. I have done this and the Bible gives a much more elaborate and reliable account than even the accounts of David Icke in his books and TV appearances! LOL!

[auroral_iris]

Lol, I thought it was the Illuminati (or whatever you wish to call them)

the illuminati invented religion

[titurel]

the illuminati invented religion
The illuminati usurped religion and twisted it into what it's become today, which is modern Babylon. Religions are designed to wrest man away from God and the incredible destiny he has instore for humanity, inc. creating a paradise earth.

[tattooverb]

which translation of the bible are you using? or are you reading it in aramaic and including the books of noah and enoch and other coptic scriptures?

[tattooverb]

In order to find proof in the Bible you have to take what the Bible says about the forces influencing our world and compare that to what we can actually find out about our world and the forces that move through it. I have done this and the Bible gives a much more elaborate and reliable account than even the accounts of David Icke in his books and TV appearances! LOL!

which bible translation are you using? or are you reading it in aramaic and hebrew? are your including the gnostic scriptures also (books of enoch, noah etc..) or essene writings such as the dead sea scrolls into account ?(granted most of the scrolls are still not published)

[titurel]

which translation of the bible are you using? or are you reading it in aramaic and including the books of noah and enoch and other coptic scriptures?
For important passages, I always browse as many translations as I can and where necessary I'll refer back to the original texts and commentaries by as many serious scholars as possible. I also read a wide variety of books not included in most standard Bibles, including Enoch. My main speciality is mythology, so that forms a large part of my interests.

[titurel]

which bible translation are you using? or are you reading it in aramaic and hebrew? are your including the gnostic scriptures also (books of enoch, noah etc..) or essene writings such as the dead sea scrolls into account ?(granted most of the scrolls are still not published)
It used to be said that the Bible couldn't possible accurately transmit its message through time, because of copying errors and scribal political insertions. This was a prevalent academic (i.e. "Bible scholar") belief in the 19th century and early 20th century. Then the dead sea scrolls were discovered, with an entirely intact "Book of Isaiah". (23 foot long leather scroll.) In fact, every book in the OT except the Esther is there in varying degrees of intactness. And guess what. The Qumran Isaiah text was almost identical to the Masoretic texts of the 10th century which map to the OT. The "errors" are primarily either spelling or style, with occasional "lacunae" which are small holes in the leather that obliterate a single letter where they occur. Matching the Qumran Isaiah to the Masoretic text, which is nearly identical, the occasional lacunae caused missing letter could be mapped. In no case -- zero % -- did any of the trivial differences change the message of Isaiah at all. Nada. Zip. A detailed scholarly (and nit-picky) analysis of the Qumran Isaiah can be found here:

http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qum-1.htm

Therefore, based on what we know of oral cultures, plus what we now know about the accuracy of written transmission based on comparison to the Qumran texts, it is no longer a valid academic view that we can't know what they originally meant.

[amerigirl]

Bill Maher is working for the NWO agenda.

This movie looks to me to be all about creating YET MORE divison (divide and rule). It is trying to cause divisions between religious people and non religious people. It make me wanna puke.


^ Agreed. And the division is apparent on this thread.....

[titurel]

^ Agreed. And the division is apparent on this thread.....
What division? We're meant to be all "ONE", aren't we? :rolleyes:

[bendoon]

the illuminati invented religion

Yes and whats your point ?

They didn't invent God, they aren't that good.

[duckingdafta]

fear invented gods IMO...

[bendoon]

fear invented gods IMO...

Fear of what ?

[titurel]

fear invented gods IMO...
Nah... the fallen angels, the other dimensional, demonic reptilians made themselves into gods in order to mislead humanity and of course they're opposed to God, trying to hijack human destiny and channel it into their Godless luciferian NWO. The gods are the reptilians Icke goes on about and not fictional products of fear, although through imposing fear they can vamp human energy a lot more easily. They must have had a feast last Black Monday and last Terrible Tuesdays because the fear emanating from people involved in the markets was in etreme plentiful supply, as the global economic system looked like being on the verge of collapse.

[duckingdafta]

Fear of what ?

control

[tattooverb]

What division? We're meant to be all "ONE", aren't we? :rolleyes:

to amerigirl

no devision in fact i look forward to the film
however i also am interested in religion though i do not belong to any one religion (more spiritual than religious )
i like to see both sides of the debate will how will you get the whole picture

to titurel

i am glad you have a thorough background as i enjoy discussing and debating religions as long as the person has done some real research (which you obviously have)
do you have the bible with the 20 translations (i need to order a copy)
i am also interested in even older scriptures including sumarian hittite babylonian and akkadian (just started to research learning cuneiform)
have you looked into any of these writings ?
:)

[bendoon]

control

So people all over the world thousands of years ago who had no means of communicating with each other all had a fear of control and because of this fear they invented Gods. ?

Doesn't really make sense to me.

[titurel]

i am glad you have a thorough background as i enjoy discussing and debating religions as long as the person has done some real research (which you obviously have)
do you have the bible with the 20 translations (i need to order a copy)
i am also interested in even older scriptures including sumarian hittite babylonian and akkadian (just started to research learning cuneiform)
have you looked into any of these writings ?
:)
I've studied some texts you refer to and others such as from India and Asia, etc., but my primary interest is mythology. In respect to Bible translations, I find it more convenient to have them in digital form.

[duckingdafta]

Nah... the fallen angels, the other dimensional, demonic reptilians made themselves into gods in order to mislead humanity and of course they're opposed to God, trying to hijack human destiny and channel it into their Godless luciferian NWO. The gods are the reptilians Icke goes on about and not fictional products of fear, although through imposing fear they can vamp human energy a lot more easily. They must have had a feast last Black Monday and last Terrible Tuesdays because the fear emanating from people involved in the markets was in extreme plentiful supply, as the global economic system looked like being on the verge of collapse.

I agree it is being used... but what you call 'dimensional, demonic reptilians' I can only believe to a point that a few may have infiltrated the governments and be with 'evil' intent, but not the race as I reckon if there was such a race, their 'peoples' would be just as scared as their leaders as many humans are.
I take it you've never experienced alien contact (without being off your face) whilst in company then.. so know you're not imagining it..

[tattooverb]

I've studied some texts you refer to and others such as from India and Asia, etc., but my primary interest is mythology. In respect to Bible translations, I find it more convenient to have them in digital form.

once i have more of a handle on the ancient semitic languages i would dearly love to study the indus river valley as well (and the possible connections and trade routes between these ancient cultures )(which of course leads to the spread of technology culture and ideas)
what do you think about the scholars who are linking the northern european megaliths to the Phoenicians ?

[duckingdafta]

So people all over the world thousands of years ago who had no means of communicating with each other all had a fear of control and because of this fear they invented Gods. ?

Doesn't really make sense to me.

yet you understood the bible.??. have you actually read it or have that program that picks out quotes when needed?

I'm glad I'm not a teacher then.. I have said many times and still stand by it, I am not here to change peoples beliefs.. I have mine and they in tern don't need to be understood by the words written of a stranger.

[titurel]

I agree it is being used... but what you call 'dimensional, demonic reptilians' I can only believe to a point that a few may have infiltrated the governments and be with 'evil' intent, but not the race as I reckon if there was such a race, their 'peoples' would be just as scared as their leaders as many humans are.
What I call dimensional, demonic reptilians are more or less the same beings as those that David Icke has reported in his books, and according to researhers looking into the subject, the very fabric and foundation of our now global civilisation has been infiltrated by this Godless Elite.

[titurel]

once i have more of a handle on the ancient semitic languages i would dearly love to study the indus river valley as well (and the possible connections and trade routes between these ancient cultures )(which of course leads to the spread of technology culture and ideas)
what do you think about the scholars who are linking the northern european megaliths to the Phoenicians ?
Archeology has never been my strong point or strong point of interest, although I don't mind browsing that subject from time to time, so I can't really say I have any great interest in European megaliths...

[tattooverb]

Archeology has never been my strong point or strong point of interest, although I don't mind browsing that subject from time to time, so I can't really say I have any great interest in European megaliths...

the lovely thing about myth and history is that it intertwines and overlaps
rather like unified field theory
i love it when they find a new biblical period dwelling site (especially if there are inscriptions or mosaics)
you can see how they exchanged gods and myths along with pots of olive oil, livestock and metals



i find it amazing how many people here are not even interested in reading even small parts of the scriptures
whatever happened to know thy enemy

not that i am characterizing anyone here as the enemy i prefer to aim at organized religion; which perverts and subverts real spirituality for the sake of their own power games

[ufo_swatter]

'MYSTERY
BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH

I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished'

Was that because he thought she'd be a hot f**k? She is the Mother of Prostitutes after all.

Prostitutes were worshipped at certain times and now thanks to those who spread lies about sex we have policemen saying things like ' I know she was a prostitute but she is still someones daughter so we must catch this killer'.

Thanks to lies about sex, humanity has gone from worshipping sexuality and the fountain of life, to worshipping death and being lifeless.

Prostitutes are sacred, enough so that Christ was prepared to kneel before one, if men do not worship those who open their legs, if they call them whores and harlots and treat them like shit, then they treat all womenkind like shit and ultimately the very Goddess herself, the very cave from which life flows.

So when your faith says a prostitute is evil and that she spawns all the abominations of the Earth, what they mean is that they are anti sex, anti life, and anti all that lives on the Earth.

[titurel]

'MYSTERY
BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH

I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished'

Was that because he thought she'd be a hot f**k? She is the Mother of Prostitutes after all.

Prostitutes were worshipped at certain times and now thanks to those who spread lies about sex we have policemen saying things like ' I know she was a prostitute but she is still someones daughter so we must catch this killer'.

Thanks to lies about sex, humanity has gone from worshipping sexuality and the fountain of life, to worshipping death and being lifeless.

Prostitutes are sacred, enough so that Christ was prepared to kneel before one, if men do not worship those who open their legs, if they call them whores and harlots and treat them like shit, then they treat all womenkind like shit and ultimately the very Goddess herself, the very cave from which life flows.

So when your faith says a prostitute is evil and that she spawns all the abominations of the Earth, what they mean is that they are anti sex, anti life, and anti all that lives on the Earth.
The prosititute of Revelation is a symbol for the Roman Church who has corrupted herself by adopting Babylonian customs and traditions, and who "fornicates" with the political rulers of the world. Religion and politics should never have intercourses with each other and that is the point of the prostitute of Revelation that you're missing!

[darketernal]

titurel, can't you think for yourself, rather than quoting from the bible all the time? if people wanted to read bible quotes, there are a plethora of other web sites they could go to, why do you have to keep littering this forum with that nonsense?

Clearly he can't.

[darketernal]

Yes and whats your point ?

They didn't invent God, they aren't that good.

No, but their masters DID invent the concept of god.

[amethyst]

Because this is not a biblical forum! Can't I suggest that you post biblical quotes on a Christian web site rather than this one? Would you post biblical passages on an F1 Motor Racing Forum (maybe you would?) I simply cannot for the life of me see why you believe this stuff should be of interest or relevance on David Icke's forum.

Maybe someone should post exactly what you want them to post.

Hey, why not start your own forum and you can control exactly what you want everyone to say and write. And THEN why not start you own totalitarian country where no one is free to express their own ideas or thoughts.

Then, you might be very happy ;)

[amethyst]

to amerigirl

no devision in fact i look forward to the film
however i also am interested in religion though i do not belong to any one religion (more spiritual than religious )
i like to see both sides of the debate will how will you get the whole picture

to titurel

i am glad you have a thorough background as i enjoy discussing and debating religions as long as the person has done some real research (which you obviously have)
do you have the bible with the 20 translations (i need to order a copy)
i am also interested in even older scriptures including sumarian hittite babylonian and akkadian (just started to research learning cuneiform)
have you looked into any of these writings ?
:)

If you are looking for a good version of the Bible, the Amplified Bible is a good one. If you are looking specifically for one that is true to the original language and one that is gives a more detailed "shade of meaning" to key words and phrases used in the original text, then it might be helpful.

[amethyst]

No, but their masters DID invent the concept of god.

But who are "their masters"?

[darketernal]

But who are "their masters"?

A species of intelligent, indiginous reptilians.

[amethyst]

A species of intelligent, indiginous reptilians.

And who do you think invented those species of intelligent, indiginous reptilians?

They didn't just appear on their own........someone created them

[auroral_iris]

oh my god dont start with this creation bullshit

[auroral_iris]

and if you want to be like that...who created god

[drhemp]

Maybe someone should post exactly what you want them to post.

Hey, why not start your own forum and you can control exactly what you want everyone to say and write. And THEN why not start you own totalitarian country where no one is free to express their own ideas or thoughts.

Then, you might be very happy ;)

I do have my own forum, and thankfully we don't get biblical nutters on it.

The point I was making is that the very small number of people who are regularly posting biblical passages on here, might find they get a more positive response if they did so on Christian forums, of which there are many, rather than on David Icke's forum. I do not have administrator access to this forum, so I'm hardly in a position to censor people on here and control the content.

Anyway, publishing quotes from the bible is hardly expressing one's own ideas and thoughts. If you ask me, religion is all about preventing peoples' own ideas and thoughts, so excuse me if I'm a little bewildered to find 1 or 2 people (1 poster in particular), on a forum that that is frequented and used by thousands, constantly posting religious nonsense. Judging by some of the other posts, not just on this thread, I'm not the only one who thinks this.

[wise haven]

Where is your humanity?

You happily take the piss out of people for having a religious belief.

Your attitude is just as hypocritical as those that rave about "unbelievers" being evil/wrong etc.

These people might have deeply delusional ideas propagated by their religions; surely this should illicit some form of sympathy for their plight - not mockery and derision.

Are you not just behaving the same as those you deride? :(

[drhemp]

Where is your humanity?

You happily take the piss out of people for having a religious belief.

Your attitude is just as hypocritical as those that rave about "unbelievers" being evil/wrong etc.

These people might have deeply delusional ideas propagated by their religions; surely this should illicit some form of sympathy for their plight - not mockery and derision.

Are you not just behaving the same as those you deride? :(

Christianity has been taking the piss out of humanity for 2000 years. If people insist on coming on a web site, that clearly is not a Christian web site, espousing their religious beliefs, then they are inviting derision. It doesn't seem to deter them anyway, all they do is come back with more quotes from the bible.

Humanity really needs to move on and get over these silly beliefs. Religion is mind control twaddle, it's as simple as that! Granted we've moved on a bit, as they no longer burn as at stakes for not believing their illogical rubbish, yet the world still has to suffer the crimes of Christian leaders like Bliar and Bu$h. They still try to brainwash our children at schools. They have unelected bishops that sit in our Second Chamber of Parliament voting on laws that effect our lives.

Would you prefer it like a few hundred years ago, where the likes of me would have kept our mouths shut for fear of imprisonment, torture or death?

[wise haven]

Christianity has been taking the piss out of humanity for 2000 years. If people insist on coming on a web site, that clearly is not a Christian web site, espousing their religious beliefs, then they are inviting derision. It doesn't seem to deter them anyway, all they do is come back with more quotes from the bible.

Humanity really needs to move on and get over these silly beliefs. Religion is mind control twaddle, it's as simple as that! Granted we've moved on a bit, as they no longer burn as at stakes for not believing their illogical rubbish, yet the world still has to suffer the crimes of Christian leaders like Bliar and Bu$h. They still try to brainwash our children at schools. They have unelected bishops that sit in our Second Chamber of Parliament voting on laws that effect our lives.

Would you prefer it like a few hundred years ago, where the likes of me would have kept our mouths shut for fear of imprisonment, torture or death?
Mocking, derision and rudeness will never open a dialogue....it just closes down debate before it has begun.
However are you going to present your opinions, that they may listen to, when as soon as you speak they put their hands over their ears and say "lalalala" can't hear you.
These people might come to agree with your ideas - if presented in a rational and non judgemental debate.

Angry people never listen...........or learn! :(

[darketernal]

And who do you think invented those species of intelligent, indiginous reptilians?

They didn't just appear on their own........someone created them

Who created god?

[runciter]

Who created god?

man did it.

[tattooverb]

If you are looking for a good version of the Bible, the Amplified Bible is a good one. If you are looking specifically for one that is true to the original language and one that is gives a more detailed "shade of meaning" to key words and phrases used in the original text, then it might be helpful.

thank you for the advice
i will have a look into this copy
what i am looking for is not only the most accurate translation but also all the others as well so that i can get a feel for what christians are being taught as opposed to what the original text says
that was why i have been looking for a copy with the 20 translations which i know exists but i have not been able to find in holland
for me it is the aramaic translations that i have more problem verifying as accurate (since two of my best friends speak hebrew and help me with any old testament translations i am struggling with)

[wise haven]

For Tatooverb:

Apparently the Geneva Bible is arguably a better translation.

http://www.genevabible.org/Geneva.html

Some may say that the King James version has contextual meanings to suit James' political fancies.

You could also try using Strong's Concordance.

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

If you want to see the differences that time makes to contextual understanding

Try and get "Commentary on the Holy Bible" by Mathew Poole

and compare it with a NIV study bible......it can be a real eye opener. ;)

[tattooverb]

I do have my own forum, and thankfully we don't get biblical nutters on it.

The point I was making is that the very small number of people who are regularly posting biblical passages on here, might find they get a more positive response if they did so on Christian forums, of which there are many, rather than on David Icke's forum. I do not have administrator access to this forum, so I'm hardly in a position to censor people on here and control the content.

Anyway, publishing quotes from the bible is hardly expressing one's own ideas and thoughts. If you ask me, religion is all about preventing peoples' own ideas and thoughts, so excuse me if I'm a little bewildered to find 1 or 2 people (1 poster in particular), on a forum that that is frequented and used by thousands, constantly posting religious nonsense. Judging by some of the other posts, not just on this thread, I'm not the only one who thinks this.




i hope you are not talking about me
how can one understand the misguided nature of intentionally controlled religious systems without examining the documents
even if it is only how others are using them to justify their own beliefs
it is harder to oppose those you may see as religious fanatics when you do not understand fully their beliefs and points of view


we are living in a world inundated with religious control systems
as early as two i was beginning to form ideas on religion though my family had not taught me any religion as such (we never attended any kind of organized religious services on a regular basis )
at about that age i announced to my mom and grandmother that "god is a women"
when thy asked "why?"
i said it was "because women gave birth"
i do not believe this now, however it shows that i was looking even then for the organic source, not only who and what but how
had i not been exposed to judeao-christian images of god the father i might never have disagreed and made this statement as early as two

in other words all debate requires more than one point of view


by the way the bible is used to control no doubt but there are other things in there including some historical clues (archeologists use it) and a some good moral parables
don't throw the baby out with the bath water

[tattooverb]

For Tatooverb:

Apparently the Geneva Bible is arguably a better translation.

http://www.genevabible.org/Geneva.html

Some may say that the King James version has contextual meanings to suit James' political fancies.

You could also try using Strong's Concordance.

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

If you want to see the differences that time makes to contextual understanding



Try and get "Commentary on the Holy Bible" by Mathew Poole

and compare it with a NIV study bible......it can be a real eye opener. ;)


cool thanks for the messages and the links i will check them out asap
i will have i have just started three weeks vacation so i will really have a chance to sink my teeth into all this nice info


by the way anyone else flying to california to see icke

[drhemp]

Mocking, derision and rudeness will never open a dialogue....it just closes down debate before it has begun.
However are you going to present your opinions, that they may listen to, when as soon as you speak they put their hands over their ears and say "lalalala" can't hear you.
These people might come to agree with your ideas - if presented in a rational and non judgemental debate.

Angry people never listen...........or learn! :(

I hear what you say, and a part of me feels I should agree with you. You are a very reasonable and kind person.

That said, I'm not of the opinion that Christians should be handled with kid gloves all the time and never be criticised or laughed at for their beliefs. It's called free speech, and when I'm presented with what are to me such absurd and strange beliefs, I can't help myself, I just feel the need to interject with my own brand of atheistm. If they're right and I'm wrong, then I'm gonna spend an eternity in hell, surely that should be enough punishment for I?

[ufo_swatter]

The prosititute of Revelation is a symbol for the Roman Church who has corrupted herself by adopting Babylonian customs and traditions, and who "fornicates" with the political rulers of the world. Religion and politics should never have intercourses with each other and that is the point of the prostitute of Revelation that you're missing!

Thanks for the info, I was really just trying to use the quote to have a dig at the christian attitude towards sexual women to be honest. I know the quote refers to Ishtar and whilst personally I've yet to decide what Revelations refer to, I would agree that politics and religion shouldn't mix.

[amethyst]

and if you want to be like that...who created god

God= the self existent one....always was....infinity....the time loop etc. etc.

reptillians/fallen angels/nephilim= "created" beings

humans= "created" beings

[amethyst]

mocking, derision and rudeness will never open a dialogue....it just closes down debate before it has begun.
However are you going to present your opinions, that they may listen to, when as soon as you speak they put their hands over their ears and say "lalalala" can't hear you.
These people might come to agree with your ideas - if presented in a rational and non judgemental debate.

Angry people never listen...........or learn! :(

amen! ;)

[wise haven]

I hear what you say, and a part of me feels I should agree with you. You are a very reasonable and kind person.

That said, I'm not of the opinion that Christians should be handled with kid gloves all the time and never be criticised or laughed at for their beliefs. It's called free speech, and when I'm presented with what are to me such absurd and strange beliefs, I can't help myself, I just feel the need to interject with my own brand of atheistm. If they're right and I'm wrong, then I'm gonna spend an eternity in hell, surely that should be enough punishment for I?

Again I am agreeing with you: I think all religions (If they are not scared of the truth) should expect criticism and a certain amount of mockery - if they cannot stand up to that.....it will just illustrate the shaky foundations it is built on.

I'm happy to be criticised, in fact, I welcome it - after all it promotes a better understanding of each other. I thing the grown up thing to do is realize that some of us have whacky beliefs, or none at all - and unless they start to enforce them on others it should be a case of "live and let live"

BTW I don't believe in Hell.....unless it is of our own making - and if there is a supreme deity does any sane persona believe he would send anyone to the fiery pits for disbelief and minor infractions? Hell is man's fingerprint on the "divinely inspired" Bible, Torah and Koran.
Surely the words of God would lift us up to his spiritual level - not bring God down to our own miserable spiritual drought.
That is my test for any belief - Does it lift us higher or create misery?

If you want to challenge people on their beliefs - the best way is to challenge the religion and not the person......after all if religion is merely a control mechanism.....who can be blamed for being suckered into just trying to be a better person.:)

Cheers doc

[auroral_iris]

God= the self existent one....always was....infinity....the time loop etc. etc.

reptillians/fallen angels/nephilim= "created" beings

humans= "created" beings

i thought you were speaking of the christian god

[amethyst]

i thought you were speaking of the christian god

I Am :cool:

[freedomnonfighter]

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That movie, Religulous, was absolutely awesome. And it was SO funny; I laughed the entire time. Easily a 'must-see'.