Important more Rik Clay disasters don't continue..

[thirdwave]

I have started this thread for people who would like to discuss the stress and strain this movement and the info within it can bring upon people... and how maybe the Rik Clay story is a lesson to be learnt and something that people getting into this info should take note of..

This thread is not been started for people to express their opinions about how Rik died, it is for those who respect and understand and except the info put out by his close friends and family, that he was under allot of stress, was very ill, and tragically took his own life.. There are plenty of threads where you can discuss your alternatives...

I was not really that familiar with Riks Work and It was only when after his death I listened to the Red Ice interview and checked out all his stuff, I could tell right away he was a guy who had been going through a spiritual change.... just like Mr Icke.... and a few others we could mention.. and he seemed like a really nice natured guy and very sensitive to the info..

I often talk about this info with people and I get all kinds of reactions, but most of the time as soon as I start to talk about it I see a sheet go over peoples eyes and a glimpse of fear before they shut off and either change the subject or start to come up with all kinds of off topic or inaccurate rubbish to wash away the subject.... Its clear to me that some people simply cant deal with the info so dont go there... its to much, shut off.... many even get aggressive with you..

There are also people who do take in the info and are left totally shaken up PC bound with bags under their eyes looking in their laptop for the answers of the world.... these people have been open enough and aware enough too see the relevance, but they are not always benefiting from it and find it a struggle where they are always changing there views and don't know which way to turn.... some probably even think going back to sleep would be better...

I think the more you force answers not only from others but within your self, the more you can lose your self and who you really are.... you want the truth so much you forget the reason you want it!

I think Riks death is not just a sign that this info can take its toll on people, but its also a relevant time as I feel the NWO and other things are really moving fast... the info is more potent than ever because it really is being presented, so the info is also becoming more immediate. I feel there will be people now who in their fear will choose to support a NWO if they feel it will bring them safety...

I also feel that when you are going through these changes and you feel such a strong spiritual change in your life there are always demons that are there always trying to get you, as much as you gain spiritual friends you are introduced to new demons.. and you have to learn to deal with these two...

In Riks case I think he took on so much in a short time (as Red Ice noted) so he was not only taking this info in and also feeling his whole being change, he was also playing a role in communicating it with others.. I am Sad as I feel he just needed an experienced hand maybe who had been there before...
which is quite rare to find with this stuff sometimes... that being said sometimes your time is your time and Im sure he will get to the right place.

Sometimes we can also feel when we feel that this world is not all there is and that there is no such thing as death, and death becomes less of a fear its self... and even a valid escape... but this is not true as just because you move from this world it does not mean you have got away from your self and you still have to learn to deal with the issues you don't like.. .

The bottom line is not to forget what life is for and to remember why we want to be free to start with.. it is not easy, but its important...

If his family are reading I apologise if I have put forward any ignorant views as I have not been told the whole story and did not know Rik personally.. Im just going by the limited info I have been given.

I do feel that the movement is getting more and more hectic and can be draining and I think it needs to be kicked back into perspective.

an example, we had a thread on the Grand Prix the other day and someone felt we were being stupid, why cant you have fun?, you can be aware and have fun at the same time.

There is no doubt this info is not only important but vital, but I think the word of the day is "Lighten up" people.

[logic bomb]

From Q+A with Tom Montalk.

» My philosophical undertakings have brought me nothing but pain. I feel the more I understand the more I’m disconnected from humanity.

That is another problem, or you could say rite of initiation, that truthseekers go through … becoming ever more separated from sleeper people. It’s an age old issue that students of esoteric mysteries also had to deal with. They dealt with it by creating a split in themselves between how they acted to the normal world, and who they really were to themselves, on their own time, and with others of their kind. It’s okay to act enough to get by, like social camouflage, up to a point where others demand you devote too much time and energy to their shared mundane pursuits and false dreams where you just have to decline.

There are others like you out there, and if synchronicity doesn’t help you find some in person, then on the internet you’d have to do with website and especially forums/message boards where you’ll gravitate to others who are on your wavelength, and then it can progress to instant messaging or skype and eventually hanging out in person if travel allows it.

But it’s also very important to begin building an internal source of interest and strength, where you could theoretically stand on your own, solitary but not lonesome. For me this is staying fascinated with learning about things, figuring out mysteries, doing what still gives me a feeling of enthusiasm and interest. Maybe self-improvement, exercise, art, music, whatever… because there’s nothing worse than having time on your hands and using it to fret about something you cannot currently change. So during those lulls, do what fulfills you in a healthy way, and who knows it might actually lead to where you’re to go next.

[krakhead]

2 very good posts. Thank you :)

[kweli]

From Q+A with Tom Montalk.


"But it’s also very important to begin building an internal source of interest and strength, where you could theoretically stand on your own, solitary but not lonesome. For me this is staying fascinated with learning about things, figuring out mysteries, doing what still gives me a feeling of enthusiasm and interest. Maybe self-improvement, exercise, art, music, whatever… because there’s nothing worse than having time on your hands and using it to fret about something you cannot currently change. So during those lulls, do what fulfills you in a healthy way, and who knows it might actually lead to where you’re to go next."

Thanks Logic bomb.. makes a lot of sense that.

But.. see, thing is, I believe Rik Clay did have an 'internal source of interest and strength'

Sorry, don't have much time to expand on that right now.. but I will later, gotta go feed my family.

[logic bomb]

But.. see, thing is, I believe Rik Clay did have an 'internal source of interest and strength'

I agree.

[eternal_spirit]

I agree.

I also agree and this is what I pointed out on the other threads.

That's why I'm still like wtf!

[planetsadhana]

great thread,

Its important for people who are lost or confused by the awakening process
to understand that they are not alone,

it can also manifest in different ways , one thing that Ian crane picked up on which I thought was so right

people who are awakening spiritually all of a sudden see the massive conspiracy in the world and......

people who awaken to the conspiracy all of a sudden see the whole spiritual side too

enough to really turn someone inside out

[apekteina lordosis]

unfortunately sometimes the only way people learn things is by personal experience. having a psychotic episode is not fun. the best way to protect yourself is to make sure you have a stable daily bedtime and get a good sleep. it can be helpful to log off da net and switch off the tv a couple of hours before hitting the hay, this allows ya noggin to wind down. betcha plenty reading these forums have found themselves laying in bed not being able to enter the land of nod on account of thoughts whizzing around.

if you do become mentally unwell aka you find your thoughts becoming continually uncomfortable don't be afraid to see your gp. depending on how severe they warrant your case, they might suggest you go talk with a specialist. if that becomes your situation i'd advice you to agree and see a consultant. the consultant might suggest you go "on ward" for a bit. again i'd advice you to do that, otherwise they may section you. going in voluntarily means you can insist on no anti-psychotic medication being used. you should find the doctors will respect that wish, unless of course they feel you are expressing thoughts of harming yourself or others. "on ward" there is no internet access but plenty of staff you can talk with. in fact being able to talk yourself down in an environment where you feel safe is one of the greatest ways to dampen down a psychotic episode.

i owe my present sanity to the scottish nhs, they were and still remain to be, absolutely brilliant. if your head does go "wrong", don't fall into the trap that the doctors are in on the "conspiracy" to get "you", a situation that is bad will just become far worse and you may very well completely fuck your life up.

you might be reading this and thinking it won't happen to me. fair enough, it may very well not. but sure is sure there will be someone reading this who will be spending every waking hour on da net on a conspiracy tip. they won't sleep till they're physically exhausted. then after some kip, they'll be up and about and repeating the pattern. and repeating the pattern. it will probably end in tears, and your "head" will never be the same again.

like i said at the beginning, sometimes the only way people learn things is by personal experience. however, if you do go "nutjob" don't say you weren't warned. some people call it "awakening", a doctor, depending on the circumstances, would call it a psychotic episode. maybe we really are being controlled by shapeshifting reptilians, and that awakening from such a horror does cause ya to go insane. but then again, maybe they aren't real and this scene is self perpetuating people into uncomfortable head spaces. me? these days i'm sitting on the fence, one leg in reality, the other in the realm of possibility. i suggest y'all try to do the same.

[planetsadhana]

ah , the voice of experience , no sustitute for it

and wise words , you may be able to pass on your experiences to someone who is going through similar

[krakhead]

unfortunately sometimes the only way people learn things is by personal experience. having a psychotic episode is not fun. the best way to protect yourself is to make sure you have a stable daily bedtime and get a good sleep. it can be helpful to log off da net and switch off the tv a couple of hours before hitting the hay, this allows ya noggin to wind down. betcha plenty reading these forums have found themselves laying in bed not being able to enter the land of nod on account of thoughts whizzing around.

if you do become mentally unwell aka you find your thoughts becoming continually uncomfortable don't be afraid to see your gp. depending on how severe they warrant your case, they might suggest you go talk with a specialist. if that becomes your situation i'd advice you to agree and see a consultant. the consultant might suggest you go "on ward" for a bit. again i'd advice you to do that, otherwise they may section you. going in voluntarily means you can insist on no anti-psychotic medication being used. you should find the doctors will respect that wish, unless of course they feel you are expressing thoughts of harming yourself or others. "on ward" there is no internet access but plenty of staff you can talk with. in fact being able to talk yourself down in an environment where you feel safe is one of the greatest ways to dampen down a psychotic episode.

i owe my present sanity to the scottish nhs, they were and still remain to be, absolutely brilliant. if your head does go "wrong", don't fall into the trap that the doctors are in on the "conspiracy" to get "you", a situation that is bad will just become far worse and you may very well completely fuck your life up.

you might be reading this and thinking it won't happen to me. fair enough, it may very well not. but sure is sure there will be someone reading this who will be spending every waking hour on da net on a conspiracy tip. they won't sleep till they're physically exhausted. then after some kip, they'll be up and about and repeating the pattern. and repeating the pattern. it will probably end in tears, and your "head" will never be the same again.

like i said at the beginning, sometimes the only way people learn things is by personal experience. however, if you do go "nutjob" don't say you weren't warned. some people call it "awakening", a doctor, depending on the circumstances, would call it a psychotic episode. maybe we really are being controlled by shapeshifting reptilians, and that awakening from such a horror does cause ya to go insane. but then again, maybe they aren't real and this scene is self perpetuating people into uncomfortable head spaces. me? these days i'm sitting on the fence, one leg in reality, the other in the realm of possibility. i suggest y'all try to do the same.

As a psychiatric nurse myself, I'd like to say thank you. It's not often that there's praise for mental health services on forum's such as this :)

[kweli]

As a psychiatric nurse myself, I'd like to say thank you. It's not often that there's praise for mental health services on forum's such as this :)

Sorry bro, both my sister & cousin are psychiatric nurses, and they're two of the most fucked up people I've ever come across. Not saying you're the same, I don't really know you. But.. man I wouldn't want you looking after me.. nor none of mine, if you know what I mean? Your Av speaks volumes.

[krakhead]

Sorry bro, both my sister & cousin are psychiatric nurses, and they're two of the most fucked up people I've ever come across. Not saying you're the same, I don't really know you. But.. man I wouldn't want you looking after me.. nor none of mine, if you know what I mean? Your Av speaks volumes.

Now I never said I wasn't fucked up did I? ;) (I'm not btw - I'm astounding! ;))

My av was me expressing my sagittarian contrariness! Too many 'nice' av's - wanted something a bit 'darker' :D

[kweli]

Now I never said I wasn't fucked up did I? ;) (I'm not btw - I'm astounding! ;))

My av was me expressing my sagittarian contrariness! Too many 'nice' av's - wanted something a bit 'darker' :D

Lol.. you're an interesting character dude, that's for sure.. I have no qualms with you, just a bit wary, that's all; surely you understand that?

[apekteina lordosis]

you may be able to pass on your experiences to someone who is going through similar

cheers and if anyone reading this thread feels the need for a confidential chinwag, please feel free to pm me.

As a psychiatric nurse myself, I'd like to say thank you. It's not often that there's praise for mental health services on forum's such as this :)

i reckon you guys and gals do one of the greatest and most righteous of jobs. and i bet you don't do it for the money, you do it because you care about other people. so major, major "props" for that.

[howie]

I find it strange that this newspaper (http://www.thisisscunthorpe.co.uk/news/Scunthorpe-rock-guitarist-dies/article-303447-detail/article.html) has no mention of the cause of death, it is unusual not to say how he died. I don't believe he was suddenly overwhelmed by the information he found, he talked of waking up to 9/11 over 3 years ago, it's very tragic & suspicious at the same time.

[krakhead]

Lol.. you're an interesting character dude, that's for sure.. I have no qualms with you, just a bit wary, that's all; surely you understand that?

You don't have to explain yourself to me! :o

I could be a computer program for all you know! Or a group of people! I'm not btw - I'm a real person sat watching Miami Ink (god know's why!), ripping cd's for my iPod! Reality's a bit dull isn't it?! Lol! :)

i reckon you guys and gals do one of the greatest and most righteous of jobs. and i bet you don't do it for the money, you do it because you care about other people. so major, major "props" for that.

Again, thank you very much. I love my job, I actually look forward to going to work most days. And no, it's definitely NOT the money! Why do you think I do all the paid shill work! ;) I have to stop that don't I? People will start believing it soon! :eek:

[krakhead]

I find it strange that this newspaper (http://www.thisisscunthorpe.co.uk/news/Scunthorpe-rock-guitarist-dies/article-303447-detail/article.html) has no mention of the cause of death, it is unusual not to say how he died. I don't believe he was suddenly overwhelmed by the information he found, he talked of waking up to 9/11 over 3 years ago, it's very tragic & suspicious at the same time.

Maybe because it was a local report? Respect for the family by not mentioning suicide?

[blondina1]

Great thread!

[apekteina lordosis]

Why do you think I do all the paid shill work! ;) I have to stop that don't I? People will start believing it soon! :eek:

lollers :D

[kweli]

I find it strange that this newspaper (http://www.thisisscunthorpe.co.uk/news/Scunthorpe-rock-guitarist-dies/article-303447-detail/article.html) has no mention of the cause of death, it is unusual not to say how he died. I don't believe he was suddenly overwhelmed by the information he found, he talked of waking up to 9/11 over 3 years ago, it's very tragic & suspicious at the same time.

It is indeed VERY unsual Howie. The press don't normally care about the family's feelings - - you don't normally get a say in what they print; no matter how much you beg; believe me I know.

[thirdwave]

The thing is with suicide it is often a spontaneous thing. it is not always planned... it can just be one thought and the next thing its over..

Also you do not have to lack strength to want to kill your self it is not always the case, its how certain things can effect you.. We are all different and have our own mountains to climb... the only thing I have to go by other than what his friends and family have said is the Red Ice interview and its very hard to make a judgement in an hour of him talking about stuff he was enthusiastic about on radio... there was another 23 hours in that day and weeks after that.

I always remember at school years a go a kid who i knew quite well from playing football and lunch times and messing about ina few lessons... he ended up killing him self... I did not know until about 6 months later.. at first we were just told he died and that was that... I could not work it out, he was great at football was a really popular lad always with mates and stuff... yet he took an over dose...

It made me think of the lyrics for "Elena Rigby" for some reason...

"She picks up the face that she keeps in the jar by the door, who is it for"

This whole thing made me think, you get so many who scoff at people when they talk about going through an awakening and stuff... and feel a spiritual change ... and you don't really have any real help for people going through this... it seems we are on our own... either people don't understand, dont want to know... or are even offended by it because it challenges views they have...

the only help you would get from our institutions is by going to a mental home... what a help!

there are three guys i chat to as i leave from work... and none of them like me much now and I can tell its because they see me as that conspiracy bloke, and its not like I have rammed more material on them its because they are getting glimpses of the truth after I had told them and they know I probably know allot more stuff so all of a sudden they want to keep their distance.... I'm quite sensitive so probably seeing more of it but I do pic up on this shit..

I kind of feel something needs to happen to really kick this reality out os sink... in order for people to really see more, and then it will be easier for peeps I feel, I think its will get crazier.. but at the same time easier....

[apekteina lordosis]

there is the chance that for rik clay he felt he had done his work here, and that it was time to move on. obviously to a doctor they wouldn't buy into that belief and would see it as a sign of mental illness. however if rik clay had refused to see a quack then that help wouldn't have been there. his father mentions they tried to help him in one of the comments on the facebook tribute, whether that means tried to persuade him to seek professional medical assistance or they tried to reason with him themselves, who knows and it ain't really for us to know, it's their private family matter. maybe one day they might want to talk about, but until that possibility i guess people will chew the cud on this. personally i think it is the height of bad taste to bandy about talk of murder and a conspiracy but each of us is the captain of our own universe and some people set their sails regardless of the direction of the wind.

the thread title thirdwave chose says it all-
important more rik clay disasters don't continue..
aka understand that this conspiracy scene is not always a healthy pursuit and that it's not the absolute, definite answer to life, the universe and everything.

[synergy777]

good thread thirdwave, we need a place to share our feelings/thoughts, a place to de-stress.

everybody feels like this at times, well everybody who is into this stuff. i have felt like this many times, and most probably will feel like it many more times in the future. we must try to understand why we feel like it this, eg emotional, mental, economic issues etc. i know at times it seems too much and we think its never going to better, we think whats the point in continuing, you feel like doing whatever it takes to stop the pain/hurt, the frustation, hopelessness gets overwhelming, suffocating etc.

the thing is death is not the end, its only the end of this life/time in a body. thus no matter how hard, unbearable life seems, we must realise that all this is temporary. its our mind/ego that panics, hurts, and as we identify ourselves with our mind/ego/consciousness, it overwhelms us.

this why we need to empower ourselves with knowledge, so that we can distinguish between mind/ego and absolute truths eg spiritual knowledge. we must endeavour to know the difference between the temporal/mind etc and eternal/spirit.

know thyself, and the truth will set you free.

look at what rik clay did, i too have felt like that, when you begin the awakening process, the gnosis, the red pill, its smashes all previous boundaries/foundations of your thought/life. you end up in denial, feel confused, are consumed with guilt, fear, anger etc. its the dark night of the soul.

i too have been close to the edge and wanted to end it, but to be honest i didn't have the courage like rik to do it, i bottled it, i couldn't force myself to end it. thus i have forced myself to carry on, to smash through it. i suffered, was persecuted and ridiculed by people, but i carried on. i do not know how or why i carried on, who helped me, but something/someone did, i would like to think the source/god did.

thus we must have empathy for eachother, as i have been through it myself, i understand what rik did and how others feel. and if someone as weak, and stupid like me can persevere and walk through the dante's inferno, survive the paradigm shift that occurs, then so can all of us.

we are all here to help and should offer support to everyone.

the last 7 years i have been through everything, trust me, what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, use these times to make you stronger, use this to examine yourself, recognise the good and evil in you, and overcome these aspects, make yourself better/stronger.

i have had to juggle two lives, one as a uni grad, working as a financial analyst/algorithims etc and two as synergy777. a bit like the matrix, " mr anderson you have been living two lives, one as programmer for a respectable software company, and the other as a hacker, by the name of neo ", lol.

my family and friends do not know everything that i know, and to be honest i try to hide what i think is going to happen from them, as i care about them and do not want them to worry about me or whats going to happen globally.

i wish i could give up the finance work and do this conspiracy thing fulltime, with a website/forum/blog etc. hopefully things will turn out, so that i can do this professionaly. as at the moment i am doing this working in 2nd gear, at an amateur/casual level. i feel with the more time and better resources, i could really do some goodthings for all of us.

[thirdwave]

my family and friends do not know everything that i know, and to be honest i try to hide what i think is going to happen from them, as i care about them and do not want them to worry about me or whats going to happen globally.


Totally know what you mean...

its hard... you want them to know as you don't want them to get there arse kicked by it... but at the same time, you know they might not handle it very well ... My old man is not really the type to get into this info as is very stuck in his go to work and earn a living type mindset but he has always said... "this world is all wrong, Im convinced its not meant to be like this...all wrong"

and I would love some day to show him how right he is!

I just plant seeds so at least if they start to wake up to stuff they know they got someone to come and have a chat with...

the thing is once they know the chances are we all start arguing with them about what's what anyway :)

[synergy777]

Totally know what you mean...

its hard... you want them to know as you don't want them to get there arse kicked by it... but at the same time, you know they might not handle it very well ... My old man is not really the type to get into this info as is very stuck in his go to work and earn a living type mindset but he has always said... "this world is all wrong, Im convinced its not meant to be like this...all wrong"

and I would love some day to show him how right he is!

I just plant seeds so at least if they start to wake up to stuff they know they got someone to come and have a chat with...

the thing is once they know the chances are we all start arguing with them about what's what anyway :)


what i have done so far is just show them the economic and political angle, i have been telling whats going to happen for about 3/4 years. at first they didn't believe me, now its on the news. thus, they are starting to wake up slowly. they know that what i said was not a lucky guess, as i have explained it using correct terminology, with the support of sound evidence.

4+ years ago i started having lucid dreams of a pre cog nature, i thought i was losing it, now i realise the dreams were true. i think due to my education/work i started using my left hemisphere/logic more, and i ignored my right hemisphere. thus in dreamtime, when the left hemisphere shuts down, the right hemisphere had the opportunity to work/communicate, despite my vain attempts to ignore and control it.

thus an internal battle between intellect/rationale/left hemisphere and my intution/spirit/right hemisphere. i'm an hfa/aspie, so my hemispheres are both very active.

[cruise4]

To state the obvious, if you feel pressures building, take some time away from all this. Even just a day or two will enable the mind to settle down again. I know because I have had my mind blown twice since getting into all this, but I know to take some 'time out'.

[frankanne]

Again.. I totally agree with what's being said here. But.. and, it's a big but..

I'm gonna spill my guts here. I was one of the most suicidal girls that you could ever meet. Jeez, I thought my life (childhood, teens, early womanhood) was so bad.. I was convinced no one else had suffered the way I had - - I'm sure I don't need to go into all that suffering? you get the gist, yeah? But how I tried! (really meant it, no fucking cry for help, really, really wanted out!) but for some strange reason it wasn't meant to be; I'm still here! (theres's lots more to this story obviously) Then my younger bro went and hanged himself - - that saved my life.. because then.. you see that those left behind have to suffer. What I'm trying to say, is, if some 'previous' fuck head like me can cope with the 'truth' then why wouldn't a level headed guy like Rik Clay be able to cope.

Say what ya'll want.. I know in my heart that there's something seriously dodgy with Rik Clays death.

Kweli, it takes guts to 'spill your guts'. I've got such respect and admiration for you. I mean that. What you've been through - and the pain you live with. I can relate to that.

I also agree that there's something seriously dodgy with Rik Clays death.

People here keep talking about how dangerous it is to be so isolated in this conspiracy lark. To cut off from others. No outside interest. Obsessed totally with 'conspiracy'. We can all see that that is an unhealthy place to be and could cause all sorts of mental health problems.

But what people are missing is that this wasn't Rik. He had music, friends, travel, loads of outside interests. He seemed to love life. He had an enquiring mind that wanted to see the world and this was done, not in a depressing way, - the way some posters seem to be thinking of Rik - but in a light-hearted, happy go lucky, enjoyable way.

So the deep depressive, obsessive, isolated, 'conspiracy theorist' just doesn't describe Rik Clay.

I wish people would listen to his interview, read what he wrote, how he wrote it. What he did on the day his blog came down. Look at the facts. Instead of that, instead of looking at the reality, we have posters here, and also Henrik and Ian Crane, making assumptions of how they 'imagine' Rik.

I like to think I'm a realist, and that I look at the facts and then form my ideas.

What we seem to have here are posters deciding Rik's frame of mind and then dismissing all the known facts, - i.e. he was posting happily on the day his blog came down. It's as if they have closed minds to reality, and will close their eyes and ears in order to keep the 'illusion'. David Icke actually wrote about this trait last week. He called in 'Cognitive Dissonance'. People do this when they don't want to face reality.

So come on people, look at the facts:
Rik was happy on the 12th June 2008. You can hear it in his voice in the interview with Red Ice.
He was happy on the morning of the 13th June 2008. His last post was about revealing stuff on the music industry. He promised it 'soon'.

LATER THAT SAME DAY, his blog came down and Rik went underground.

Now if that doesn't strike anyone as 'strange', then there really is no hope for you. That's all I can say.

[frankanne]

The thing is with suicide it is often a spontaneous thing. it is not always planned... it can just be one thought and the next thing its over..



I agree, but you are totally forgetting and dismissing all the worries that we had back in June, when Rik Clay's blog came down.

I don't know if he committed suicide or not. But what I do know is that he had no intention of going underground and getting rid of his blog on the morning that he went underground, and his blog came down.

Surely THAT's what we should be looking at now. WHY? Why take down his blog on the same day that he was promising to reveal more stuff about the music industry? Why go 'underground' when he was so upbeat earlier that day?

To concentrate on his death, but ignore what happened in June, is pointless.

[frankanne]

there is the chance that for rik clay he felt he had done his work here, and that it was time to move on. .

Again, you are totally ignoring the facts.

Rik had promised to reveal more stuff on the music industry. He said he promised it would come 'soon'. He actually wrote that on the day his blog came down.

So your 'assumption' that he felt he had done his work here, is based on what exactly? Your 'assumption' is certainly NOT based on the known facts, is it?

[klinker]

To state the obvious, if you feel pressures building, take some time away from all this. Even just a day or two will enable the mind to settle down again. I know because I have had my mind blown twice since getting into all this, but I know to take some 'time out'.

I feel the same way and those that know me on here also know that I can disappear for weeks at a time. Having to walk away from this from time to time and plug myself back into the system is an odd state to be in.

[apekteina lordosis]

Again, you are totally ignoring the facts.

Rik had promised to reveal more stuff on the music industry. He said he promised it would come 'soon'. He actually wrote that on the day his blog came down.

So your 'assumption' that he felt he had done his work here, is based on what exactly? Your 'assumption' is certainly NOT based on the known facts, is it?

it's easy to pick a snippet and focus your energy on that, rather than take the message i was trying to convey as a whole. what concerns me is that this conspiracy scene can sometimes not be very good for the mental well being of some people. there are plenty of other threads rolling about foul play theories concerning rik clay, it's just a shame some people seem intent on spamming this one. and yeah, you can say well apekteina has "spammed" other threads with his "be careful with this conspiracy scene, it can turn ya insane", but i don't think such a message is negative, unlike those that peddle their beliefs that rik clay was "offed" in some way. all you are doing is stoking up paranoia and negative vibes.

i think the best thing for you frankanne is to carry on your way with this. eventually it may well drive you into mental illness, and that experience would give you insight into just how complex the brain and the human mind is. right the now, you don't have a clue. the parents of rik clay have said there was no foul paper. the local newspaper reported he died peacefully, his facebook tribute has well over a hundred comments, many of them from people who actually knew him in real life aka other family members and real life friends and not one of those "knew him in real life bods" have suggested they think something "dodgy" has gone on. it's only some strangers like you, whose perception of rik clay is solely based on stuff you've read on his blog and heard on radio interviews, who think that there was foul play involved. if it wasn't rik clay, you'd probably be obsessively logging on to a britney spears blog numerous times each and every day to see if she has been snapped oops upskirt minus her panties again. when you do finally get the definite shot of what you are looking for, you will understand that life has its ugly and sad moments. life is difficult, life is brutal, as the rasta say "it's a cruel school". some people cope with it, others don't. they might appear to be coping, then something twonks in their head and it's downhill for them from that moment onwards. one day frankanne you will understand this, but right the now there's no point in banging on about it cos you are blatantly not ready to listen.

[cosmicstardust]

To state the obvious, if you feel pressures building, take some time away from all this. Even just a day or two will enable the mind to settle down again. I know because I have had my mind blown twice since getting into all this, but I know to take some 'time out'.

This is something I have learned just in the last week. Very important. Also saves me from becoming fearful (and feeding the monster) and helps me breathe back into the knowledge that there are much much better days to come. As Krakhead once said..'Its all going to be alright' :)

[runciter]

eventually it may well drive you into mental illness


please change your avatar.

[runciter]

my view:

rik didn't kill himself, he was silenced because of something he revealed.

thank you frankanne for all that you're doing.

[frankanne]

it's easy to pick a snippet and focus your energy on that, rather than take the message i was trying to convey as a whole. what concerns me is that this conspiracy scene can sometimes not be very good for the mental well being of some people. there are plenty of other threads rolling about foul play theories concerning rik clay, it's just a shame some people seem intent on spamming this one. and yeah, you can say well apekteina has "spammed" other threads with his "be careful with this conspiracy scene, it can turn ya insane", but i don't think such a message is negative, unlike those that peddle their beliefs that rik clay was "offed" in some way. all you are doing is stoking up paranoia and negative vibes.

i think the best thing for you frankanne is to carry on your way with this. eventually it may well drive you into mental illness, and that experience would give you insight into just how complex the brain and the human mind is. right the now, you don't have a clue. the parents of rik clay have said there was no foul paper. the local newspaper reported he died peacefully, his facebook tribute has well over a hundred comments, many of them from people who actually knew him in real life aka other family members and real life friends and not one of those "knew him in real life bods" have suggested they think something "dodgy" has gone on. it's only some strangers like you, whose perception of rik clay is solely based on stuff you've read on his blog and heard on radio interviews, who think that there was foul play involved. if it wasn't rik clay, you'd probably be obsessively logging on to a britney spears blog numerous times each and every day to see if she has been snapped oops upskirt minus her panties again. when you do finally get the definite shot of what you are looking for, you will understand that life has its ugly and sad moments. life is difficult, life is brutal, as the rasta say "it's a cruel school". some people cope with it, others don't. they might appear to be coping, then something twonks in their head and it's downhill for them from that moment onwards. one day frankanne you will understand this, but right the now there's no point in banging on about it cos you are blatantly not ready to listen.

I'm not picking 'snippets'. You said that maybe Rik felt he had 'done his work' and it was time for him to go. I pointed out that he was posting that he had more revealing to do - so again, you are deliberately side stepping the point.

On the 13th June 2008 Rik said he would be revealing stuff about the music trade 'soon'.

LATER THAT SAME DAY, his blog came down.

[ericdubay]

This whole thread is yet another Mason love-fest. Thirdwave and Apekteina are blatantly paid agents, same with SixFour... you're not fooling anyone but yourselves.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[thirdwave]

what i have done so far is just show them the economic and political angle, i have been telling whats going to happen for about 3/4 years. at first they didn't believe me, now its on the news. thus, they are starting to wake up slowly. they know that what i said was not a lucky guess, as i have explained it using correct terminology, with the support of sound evidence.

4+ years ago i started having lucid dreams of a pre cog nature, i thought i was losing it, now i realise the dreams were true. i think due to my education/work i started using my left hemisphere/logic more, and i ignored my right hemisphere. thus in dreamtime, when the left hemisphere shuts down, the right hemisphere had the opportunity to work/communicate, despite my vain attempts to ignore and control it.

thus an internal battle between intellect/rationale/left hemisphere and my intution/spirit/right hemisphere. i'm an hfa/aspie, so my hemispheres are both very active.

I tend to lose control of my left one a bit to much :).. my right one is always in full swing which is cool but can make life a bit stressful and forgetful at the same time !

that being said since I have got into this stuff I have learned how important it is to try and discipline your self... discipline is vital... I cant say I am always successful but I always keep trying.... reading books is good... making sure you go out and let go and have fun... so you can keep focus...

So you can feel spiritual change and inspiration but not become over whelmed by it... its a big universe!

[apekteina lordosis]

right, i've passed on my thoughts about this and that's that. in my opinion a small handful of you are utterly rabid. thankfully i know that most of the people on these forums are rational human beings.

[celtic isis]

I have started this thread for people who would like to discuss the stress and strain this movement and the info within it can bring upon people... and how maybe the Rik Clay story is a lesson to be learnt and something that people getting into this info should take note of..

This thread is not been started for people to express their opinions about how Rik died, it is for those who respect and understand and except the info put out by his close friends and family, that he was under allot of stress, was very ill, and tragically took his own life.. There are plenty of threads where you can discuss your alternatives...

I was not really that familiar with Riks Work and It was only when after his death I listened to the Red Ice interview and checked out all his stuff, I could tell right away he was a guy who had been going through a spiritual change.... just like Mr Icke.... and a few others we could mention.. and he seemed like a really nice natured guy and very sensitive to the info..

I often talk about this info with people and I get all kinds of reactions, but most of the time as soon as I start to talk about it I see a sheet go over peoples eyes and a glimpse of fear before they shut off and either change the subject or start to come up with all kinds of off topic or inaccurate rubbish to wash away the subject.... Its clear to me that some people simply cant deal with the info so dont go there... its to much, shut off.... many even get aggressive with you..

There are also people who do take in the info and are left totally shaken up PC bound with bags under their eyes looking in their laptop for the answers of the world.... these people have been open enough and aware enough too see the relevance, but they are not always benefiting from it and find it a struggle where they are always changing there views and don't know which way to turn.... some probably even think going back to sleep would be better...

I think the more you force answers not only from others but within your self, the more you can lose your self and who you really are.... you want the truth so much you forget the reason you want it!

I think Riks death is not just a sign that this info can take its toll on people, but its also a relevant time as I feel the NWO and other things are really moving fast... the info is more potent than ever because it really is being presented, so the info is also becoming more immediate. I feel there will be people now who in their fear will choose to support a NWO if they feel it will bring them safety...

I also feel that when you are going through these changes and you feel such a strong spiritual change in your life there are always demons that are there always trying to get you, as much as you gain spiritual friends you are introduced to new demons.. and you have to learn to deal with these two...

In Riks case I think he took on so much in a short time (as Red Ice noted) so he was not only taking this info in and also feeling his whole being change, he was also playing a role in communicating it with others.. I am Sad as I feel he just needed an experienced hand maybe who had been there before...
which is quite rare to find with this stuff sometimes... that being said sometimes your time is your time and Im sure he will get to the right place.

Sometimes we can also feel when we feel that this world is not all there is and that there is no such thing as death, and death becomes less of a fear its self... and even a valid escape... but this is not true as just because you move from this world it does not mean you have got away from your self and you still have to learn to deal with the issues you don't like.. .

The bottom line is not to forget what life is for and to remember why we want to be free to start with.. it is not easy, but its important...

If his family are reading I apologise if I have put forward any ignorant views as I have not been told the whole story and did not know Rik personally.. Im just going by the limited info I have been given.

I do feel that the movement is getting more and more hectic and can be draining and I think it needs to be kicked back into perspective.

an example, we had a thread on the Grand Prix the other day and someone felt we were being stupid, why cant you have fun?, you can be aware and have fun at the same time.

There is no doubt this info is not only important but vital, but I think the word of the day is "Lighten up" people.

Beautiful post thirdwave :) You said really everything there :)

And you're totally right, bless you my friend! You got a good heart, haha your bark is worse than your bite ;)

stop picking on thirdwave please folks. And actually listen, you may learn something.

Don't worry, rik's parents, with what you said there they would be happy and honoured. :)

[goldman]

Originally Posted by thirdwave View Post
The thing is with suicide it is often a spontaneous thing. it is not always planned... it can just be one thought and the next thing its over..

On another note: do you know how hard it is to kill yourself? Overall only 20% is successful in suicide, because either they do it wrong, or their body reacts on the attempt and escapes the threat. Just imagine to hang yourself, it isn't that easy as you think, doing it wrong and you suffocate a horrible death, doing it right and you break your neck, but it's hard believe me because you have to jump very fast in order to break your neck. Take painkillers, again, doing it wrong will take a couple of days dying a painful death due to liver failure. So then we have self-drowning, probably the most horrible deaths you can imagine and hard to do yourself. Then we have slitting your wrists, again sounds easy peasy eh? Well, it's not. A lot can go wrong, take nurses for example. Most of them are having a hard time finding the arteries for injection. Let alone slitting your own throat (yes that happens also) because one has to slit both arteries in the neck. Then we have carbon monoxide deaths, that's probably the most easy one. So it's kind of obvious that the human body is very strong and doesn't give up that easy like most think it will.

here are some facts:


There are an estimated 8-25 attempted suicides to one completion; the ratio is higher in women and youth and lower in men and the elderly
More women than men report a history of attempted suicide, with a gender ratio of 3:1
The strongest risk factors for attempted suicide in adults are depression, alcohol abuse, cocaine use, and separation or divorce
The strongest risk factors for attempted suicide in youth are depression, alcohol or other drug use disorder, and aggressive or disruptive behaviors


it's not like we go and do this, the most spontaneous suicides are jumpers, either from a building or in front of a train, and even there a good deal survives. So my guess is that the best method is using a gun, but even there things can go wrong. I read a story from some poor fellow who shot himself 8 times in the head and still didn't die. So that got me thinking, because being successful in the first attempt is pretty unique. Personally a girlfriend of mine jumped 8 years ago, and she survived. She jumped of a high bridge and hit the friggin' concrete! now she can't walk anymore, but is the most inspirational person I've ever seen in my life, full of life and love.

Forget about baling out, it doesn't solve anything and only give one a horrible death and much pain, so think twice.

-

[jojo]

great thread guys. Thanks Tw for posting it. this scene can drive many to mental health problems. It can. not to mention those of us who believe that there are other beings and enterties that exist outside the 3rd dimention (i sound like a mental case now....may be i am to many) I personally think that many who look into this kind work tent to attract shall we say... lower astral beings who vampire off our energy (mental illness to the professionals)

I hope i dont cause any distress by saying this, and its only my opinion, but i think that many people who end up taking their own lifes may have these energy suckers attached to them.

[armoured_amazon]

great thread guys. Thanks Tw for posting it. this scene can drive many to mental health problems. It can. not to mention those of us who believe that there are other beings and enterties that exist outside the 3rd dimention (i sound like a mental case now....may be i am to many) I personally think that many who look into this kind work tent to attract shall we say... lower astral beings who vampire off our energy (mental illness to the professionals)

I hope i dont cause any distress by saying this, and its only my opinion, but i think that many people who end up taking their own lifes may have these energy suckers attached to them.

I agree. When we open the door it's not always friends that enter.

[frankanne]

This whole thread is yet another Mason love-fest. Thirdwave and Apekteina are blatantly paid agents, same with SixFour... you're not fooling anyone but yourselves.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

Thank you Eric. I agree. How do we deal with these people? Especially when they hook and pull in innocent ones?

[armoured_amazon]

This whole thread is yet another Mason love-fest. Thirdwave and Apekteina are blatantly paid agents, same with SixFour... you're not fooling anyone but yourselves.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

I have my suspicions about one that you mentioned....

[jojo]

well for what my opinion is worth. I do NOT think that thirdwave and Apekteina are freemasons. Im good friends with TW and of this i am sure. I do not know apekteina yet but his posts speak of 1st hand knowledge of mental illness and the problems that that can cause and he also seems to have a voice of reason. I doubt very much that either of them belong to that eliete criminal organisation called freemasonry.

[ericdubay]

he also seems to have a voice of reason.

Ahahahahahaha, ahem, I mean, yes, very reasonable indeed. :p

For those of you new to the reality of Mason/agents trolling political and conspiracy boards, check out these:

http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2008/06/above-above-top-secret-com.html#comments

http://www.conspiracycafe.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=17981&st=0

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[kweli]

Ahahahahahaha, ahem, I mean, yes, very reasonable indeed. :p

For those of you new to the reality of Mason/agents trolling political and conspiracy boards, check out these:

http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2008/06/above-above-top-secret-com.html#comments

http://www.conspiracycafe.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=17981&st=0

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

Indeed eric. ;)

[jojo]

well its my opinion anyway, like i said for what its worth.

I wont comment upon the death of rik clay (i have kept scilent about it really as anyone who thinks that it was not foul play gets torn to shreads and called names) I met him a hallifax when we both attended the talk of matthew delooze. He was a kind soul. But i believe he did take his own life. now, im not rulling out foul play in the eather or lower 4th, but I do not think he was murdered.

This thread is not about mason trashing and name calling. there are plenty of other threads on this forum for that. It is about the damgers of ones mental health and how this scene and info can drive both health minds and unstable minds over the edge. Please can it reamain on topic.

[thirdwave]

great thread guys. Thanks Tw for posting it. this scene can drive many to mental health problems. It can. not to mention those of us who believe that there are other beings and enterties that exist outside the 3rd dimention (i sound like a mental case now....may be i am to many) I personally think that many who look into this kind work tent to attract shall we say... lower astral beings who vampire off our energy (mental illness to the professionals)

I hope i dont cause any distress by saying this, and its only my opinion, but i think that many people who end up taking their own lifes may have these energy suckers attached to them.

Very true, I recall David Wilcock talking about how this can happen and even a couple of his friends getting ill from working with him one almost died...

Also when chatting to an associate of Ickes after having a heeler had to drag a negative spirit from his astral body... he said he "does not know how icke does it"

Its not easy.

[jojo]

Very true, I recall David Wilcock talking about how this can happen and even a couple of his friends getting ill from working with him one almost died...

Also when chatting to an associate of Ickes after having a heeler had to drag a negative spirit from his astral body... he said he "does not know how icke does it"

Its not easy.


well, i have also been under attack form lower 4th beings in the recent past. It was a terrible time of my life and i felt like i was in a dark place indeed. The more you read and reseach topics like reptiles and the nature of control that our world is under the more these beings take note of you and cause you what some would say "mental illnesses" which in the extream can cause suicide.

edit* any ideas on how to fight this anyone? It all fine and well debating this issue but i feel that it can be overcome and the beings who suck off our energy can be dislodged. I do not want to seem all doom and gloom.

[thirdwave]

well, i have also been under attack form lower 4th beings in the recent past. It was a terrible time of my life and i felt like i was in a dark place indeed. The more you read and reseach topics like reptiles and the nature of control that our world is under the more these beings take note of you and cause you what some would say "mental illnesses" which in the extream can cause suicide.

edit* any ideas on how to fight this anyone? It all fine and well debating this issue but i feel that it can be overcome and the beings who suck off our energy can be dislodged. I do not want to seem all doom and gloom.

I think understanding that such a thing is going on helps... awarness that such attacks are coming your way works as a strength..

and learning how to connect more with your astral body and be aware of it helps..

I have gone to bed really stressed before ...and not sleeping, then i close my eyes and meditate and i have visualised the negative energy in a really lucid way... in one case the negative energy was like really dirty sea shells all over my body... like the type that had been in the ocean for years.. and I imagend picking them off one by one.... feeling lighter and more refreshed ... the better you get at this I think it works...

its a case of defining what thoughts effect what parts of your body and focus on that place...

[phonicboom]

one just has to deny being a mason and say something against masonry to prove they are not a mason.

A mason is not allowed to disrespect masonry so can't do that and will avoid the issue.

it is easy for any normal person to just say "Masonry is a retarded cult".

[cheesedanish]

What do you think Rik would have exposed about the music trade?

I am sure it's anyone's guess ....

[goldman]

well, i have also been under attack form lower 4th beings in the recent past. It was a terrible time of my life and i felt like i was in a dark place indeed. The more you read and reseach topics like reptiles and the nature of control that our world is under the more these beings take note of you and cause you what some would say "mental illnesses" which in the extream can cause suicide.

edit* any ideas on how to fight this anyone? It all fine and well debating this issue but i feel that it can be overcome and the beings who suck off our energy can be dislodged. I do not want to seem all doom and gloom.

Good point, I think when one listens to ones intuition and something doesn't feel like the right thing to do: walk away and let it rest for a while. The moment you stop feeding energy, you'll become energized. That's why anger is energy depletion, and only transfers your energy to another level. Personally speaking there are a lot of researchers in this field who only cause paranoia and fear, you can notice this in the way they present the information, they talk fast and rattle everything together, this is in contrast with David. I feel comfort when listening to David, whereas I feel tension when I listen to let's say Alex Jones or Steve Willner. It doesn't feel right when I listen to my intuition, and usually my intuition is right.

Like the saying goes: LOVE is two times blessed, by the one who gives it and by the one who receives it.

-

[jojo]

Good point, I think when one listens to ones intuition and something doesn't feel like the right thing to do: walk away and let it rest for a while. The moment you stop feeding energy, you'll become energized. That's why anger is energy depletion, and only transfers your energy to another level. Personally speaking there are a lot of researchers in this field who only cause paranoia and fear, you can notice this in the way they present the information, they talk fast and rattle everything together, this is in contrast with David. I feel comfort when listening to David, whereas I feel tension when I listen to let's say Alex Jones or Steve Willner. It doesn't feel right when I listen to my intuition, and usually my intuition is right.

Like the saying goes: LOVE is two times blessed, by the one who gives it and by the one who receives it.

-

very good point. yes, its like when you feel anger it it depleates your wellbeing and your body (stomach area) acts as .. erm.. a conducter to transfer your life force/energy to another place/dimension.

fear and jealousy do this also.

once you can identify this drain in your concious mind then it is easyer to stop the flow out, quell your anger and you instantly feel better.

[thirdwave]

very good point. yes, its like when you feel anger it it depleates your wellbeing and your body (stomach area) acts as .. erm.. a conducter to transfer your life force/energy to another place/dimension.

fear and jealousy do this also.

once you can identify this drain in your concious mind then it is easyer to stop the flow out, quell your anger and you instantly feel better.


I kind of agree, but sometimes anger is a useful emotion and can shift things into perspective. if there is a clear injustice going on then people should react with anger... but also know how to control it and to deal with it.

If they don't then something about it does not quite seem right.. a bit creepy almost.. like over docile..

[jojo]

I kind of agree, but sometimes anger is a useful emotion and can shift things into perspective. if there is a clear injustice going on then people should react with anger... but also know how to control it and to deal with it.

If they don't then something about it does not quite seem right.. a bit creepy almost.. like over docile..
well, im not with you on the anger thing. I think we react out of anger but it clouds our judgements. the old saying " dont get mad, get even" springs to mind.

[thirdwave]

well, im not with you on the anger thing. I think we react out of anger but it clouds our judgements. the old saying " dont get mad, get even" springs to mind.

In marshal arts you are taught how to focus your anger and to control it... and your fear... you use it.

[frankanne]

well its my opinion anyway, like i said for what its worth.

I wont comment upon the death of rik clay (i have kept scilent about it really as anyone who thinks that it was not foul play gets torn to shreads and called names) I met him a hallifax when we both attended the talk of matthew delooze. He was a kind soul. But i believe he did take his own life. now, im not rulling out foul play in the eather or lower 4th, but I do not think he was murdered.

This thread is not about mason trashing and name calling. there are plenty of other threads on this forum for that. It is about the damgers of ones mental health and how this scene and info can drive both health minds and unstable minds over the edge. Please can it reamain on topic.

Hi jojo. I don't know if Rik committed suicide or not, but I do know that it was strange when he took down his blog - or should I say, when his blog came down.

You see, Rik's last post was dated 13th June 2008. he posted that he was going to reveal stuff about the music industy 'soon'. That was in the morning. then later that same day, Rik's blog is gone, and Rik has gone underground.

It is this that is so strange, and it is this that no-one is addressing. Everyone is talking about Rik's death, but no-one is talking about Rik's disappearance back in June.

So, jojo, as a truthseeker, isn't this something that you wonder about? If so, do you have any ideas? The only explanations have been contradictory, such as an email saying that Rik was so ill that he couldn't get to a computer. But if he couldn't get to a computer, then how did his blog come down? Did Rik ask somebody else to take is blog down? If so, who?

I suppose the basic response of 'mind your own business and it's got nothing to do with you', etc. will be coming from the masons on this board.

But I'd be interested in your views on why Rik would say 'I promise to reveal stuff soon' - he said this in the morning - then later on that day, he supposedly becomes very ill. Yes, that's possible, obviously. But the bit that is VERY UNLIKELY, is that he has a complete change of mind about everything that he has done up until that point - and deletes his blog and wants nothing to do with truthseeking anymore.

Of course people need a break. No-one is suggesting otherwise. But it is strange that Rik would be eager to post more stuff one minute, then scared or wanting to destroy all his work the next.

And when you take into account the many threats that other prominent truthseekers have had, it really isn't being a nut-case to wonder if Rik too was warned off, is it?

That's why I can't understand some people saying that it is madness to even wonder if Rik had been warned off. We would be total unthinking morons for us NOT to consider such a possibility, especially in view of all the other proven threats that other prominent people have received.

[frankanne]

one just has to deny being a mason and say something against masonry to prove they are not a mason.

A mason is not allowed to disrespect masonry so can't do that and will avoid the issue.

it is easy for any normal person to just say "Masonry is a retarded cult".

Wow. Thank you for that phonicboom. Are masons allowed to deny being one, even though they are?

In any case, masonry is a retarded cult, full of people who want to stop the truth coming out, but they must know deep down that no matter what they do, the truth cannot be stopped. Masons have lost the game and the plot. And I definitely have no respect for anyone who wants to hide the truth. Deliberate liars, I have no time for.

[jojo]

Hi jojo. I don't know if Rik committed suicide or not, but I do know that it was strange when he took down his blog - or should I say, when his blog came down.

You see, Rik's last post was dated 13th June 2008. he posted that he was going to reveal stuff about the music industy 'soon'. That was in the morning. then later that same day, Rik's blog is gone, and Rik has gone underground.

It is this that is so strange, and it is this that no-one is addressing. Everyone is talking about Rik's death, but no-one is talking about Rik's disappearance back in June.

So, jojo, as a truthseeker, isn't this something that you wonder about? If so, do you have any ideas? The only explanations have been contradictory, such as an email saying that Rik was so ill that he couldn't get to a computer. But if he couldn't get to a computer, then how did his blog come down? Did Rik ask somebody else to take is blog down? If so, who?

I suppose the basic response of 'mind your own business and it's got nothing to do with you', etc. will be coming from the masons on this board.

But I'd be interested in your views on why Rik would say 'I promise to reveal stuff soon' - he said this in the morning - then later on that day, he supposedly becomes very ill. Yes, that's possible, obviously. But the bit that is VERY UNLIKELY, is that he has a complete change of mind about everything that he has done up until that point - and deletes his blog and wants nothing to do with truthseeking anymore.

Of course people need a break. No-one is suggesting otherwise. But it is strange that Rik would be eager to post more stuff one minute, then scared or wanting to destroy all his work the next.

And when you take into account the many threats that other prominent truthseekers have had, it really isn't being a nut-case to wonder if Rik too was warned off, is it?

That's why I can't understand some people saying that it is madness to even wonder if Rik had been warned off. We would be total unthinking morons for us NOT to consider such a possibility, especially in view of all the other proven threats that other prominent people have received.

hi frankanne

well, i followed riks work when he was alive, when he went missing and then up untill his death. I have followed the forum threads on him since although i have refrained from commenting as im not sure i feel i have anything new to add.

in answer to your questions, i simple do not know. i ponder them myself. my senses tell me that rik did take his life with his own hands.... however, i am pondering the possibility that there are other forces at work outside our physical realm. these forces are the same ones that drive people into what doctors would call "mental illness" they feed and cohurst us into doing and feeling really dark negative emotions. i suspect that he may have fallen victim of this. The work he did may of attracted this unwanted attention from these beings.

i heard today that apparently a lot of mental health doctors also then in turn suffer from mental health issues (and vice versa) it led me to think that if we surround ourselves and pay attention to either the dark forces that rule this world, or others with mental heal problems them there is a possibillity that these beings can jump from one person to another ... or in (maybe) Riks case, his work attracted the attention of a energy sucker and it destroyed his life.


hope i made sense?

[frankanne]

hi frankanne

well, i followed riks work when he was alive, when he went missing and then up untill his death. I have followed the forum threads on him since although i have refrained from commenting as im not sure i feel i have anything new to add.

in answer to your questions, i simple do not know. i ponder them myself. my senses tell me that rik did take his life with his own hands.... however, i am pondering the possibility that there are other forces at work outside our physical realm. these forces are the same ones that drive people into what doctors would call "mental illness" they feed and cohurst us into doing and feeling really dark negative emotions. i suspect that he may have fallen victim of this. The work he did may of attracted this unwanted attention from these beings.

i heard today that apparently a lot of mental health doctors also then in turn suffer from mental health issues (and vice versa) it led me to think that if we surround ourselves and pay attention to either the dark forces that rule this world, or others with mental heal problems them there is a possibillity that these beings can jump from one person to another ... or in (maybe) Riks case, his work attracted the attention of a energy sucker and it destroyed his life.


hope i made sense?

Yes, thanks Jojo. I don't know about the forces outside our physical realm, but I do believe for instance, David Icke when he tells us he has had threats from PEOPLE. I believe Alex Jones when he says he has received threats from PEOPLE. Jodan Maxwell said he had received threats from PEOPLE. Loads of others.

That is what makes me wonder why we have people DENYING that Rik could have had threats from people - who knows about the spirit realm, that's another issue. What I'm talking about is a deliberate attempt by PEOPLE of this physical realm, to stop the truth from coming out.

I mean, what's that all about when someone who knows about the threats made to others, saying that it is 'paranoid' and nonsense and vulture like to ask the question - was Rik threatened and warned off?

Seems a perfectly reasonable question in view of the other threats that many others have received.

Why are there those ON THE DAVID ICKE FORUM, (I could understand it from a main stream media forum, but not the David Icke forum) saying that those of us who feel it is suspicious that Rik's blog came down, are 'nutters'? and worse abuse too.

[the littlest hobo]

hi frankanne

well, i followed riks work when he was alive, when he went missing and then up untill his death. I have followed the forum threads on him since although i have refrained from commenting as im not sure i feel i have anything new to add.

in answer to your questions, i simple do not know. i ponder them myself. my senses tell me that rik did take his life with his own hands.... however, i am pondering the possibility that there are other forces at work outside our physical realm. these forces are the same ones that drive people into what doctors would call "mental illness" they feed and cohurst us into doing and feeling really dark negative emotions. i suspect that he may have fallen victim of this. The work he did may of attracted this unwanted attention from these beings.

i heard today that apparently a lot of mental health doctors also then in turn suffer from mental health issues (and vice versa) it led me to think that if we surround ourselves and pay attention to either the dark forces that rule this world, or others with mental heal problems them there is a possibillity that these beings can jump from one person to another ... or in (maybe) Riks case, his work attracted the attention of a energy sucker and it destroyed his life.


hope i made sense?

hi jojo
I think you make a lot of sense there. I think that what goes on at a subconscious level is responsible for many things. We can use it for our success or detriment if you know how. Don't ask me as I still dont have a clue but am working on it. There are ways of protecting yourself apparently. Have read numerous times about visualising yourself in a bubble kind of thing. Don't know if it works as I never get round to trying it.

[orbandsceptre27]

World consciousness is in a state of "madness" - we were born into it, we`re part of it, and we have to deal with it. Most people that log on to sites like this know they are "asleep" (somethings wrong with the world). At times there is nothing more "painful" than moving through an insane world where "normal" is "nuts" and friends/relatives/acquantances are "asleep" but they don`t see.

I`m very sorry with what happened to Rik. Suicide or not, he was a very insightful young man who helped bring awareness to an area which is only frequented by a handful of independent researchers. Many more will carry on where he has left off.

When the light in an individual becomes stronger often darkness is quickly drawn toward it to question and test. Things that often seemed simple have now become more complicated. Life can be very hard at times for all people - But the more you fall, the more you get back up and after some time "the dark side" does`nt seem quite so "tough" anymore. We`re only here for a short spell, make it count!

[kweli]

Yes, thanks Jojo. I don't know about the forces outside our physical realm, but I do believe for instance, David Icke when he tells us he has had threats from PEOPLE. I believe Alex Jones when he says he has received threats from PEOPLE. Jodan Maxwell said he had received threats from PEOPLE. Loads of others.

That is what makes me wonder why we have people DENYING that Rik could have had threats from people - who knows about the spirit realm, that's another issue. What I'm talking about is a deliberate attempt by PEOPLE of this physical realm, to stop the truth from coming out.

I mean, what's that all about when someone who knows about the threats made to others, saying that it is 'paranoid' and nonsense and vulture like to ask the question - was Rik threatened and warned off?

Seems a perfectly reasonable question in view of the other threats that many others have received.

Why are there those ON THE DAVID ICKE FORUM, (I could understand it from a main stream media forum, but not the David Icke forum) saying that those of us who feel it is suspicious that Rik's blog came down, are 'nutters'? and worse abuse too.

So bloody well put. You articulate much better than me right now frankanne. I've noticed you ask the same questions time & time again; yet everyone denies them and skirts round the issues. You have my utmost respect for not giving in. Tis a tough (but extemely important) cause you (and others) have taken on board, I'm with you.

[goldman]

Yes, thanks Jojo. I don't know about the forces outside our physical realm, but I do believe for instance, David Icke when he tells us he has had threats from PEOPLE. I believe Alex Jones when he says he has received threats from PEOPLE. Jodan Maxwell said he had received threats from PEOPLE. Loads of others.

That is what makes me wonder why we have people DENYING that Rik could have had threats from people - who knows about the spirit realm, that's another issue. What I'm talking about is a deliberate attempt by PEOPLE of this physical realm, to stop the truth from coming out.

I mean, what's that all about when someone who knows about the threats made to others, saying that it is 'paranoid' and nonsense and vulture like to ask the question - was Rik threatened and warned off?

Seems a perfectly reasonable question in view of the other threats that many others have received.

Why are there those ON THE DAVID ICKE FORUM, (I could understand it from a main stream media forum, but not the David Icke forum) saying that those of us who feel it is suspicious that Rik's blog came down, are 'nutters'? and worse abuse too.



Yeah that does happen, same with John Todd and a dozen other researchers. They locked John Todd up and killed him. He was reportedly one of the first ex-Illuminati in the 70'ish. Info: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4797172096740150104

So I don't rule anything out, it's possible to influence people to drive them self nuts.
A friend of mine went crazy over Reiki and was hospitalized over it, I did read that Rik also had Reiki lessons, at personally speaking it's dangerous energy to toy with.


Here is some info on the dangers of Reiki: http://ratfactor.com/page/reikiWarning

Reiki lays down a very tempting path. It promises peace and a light heart to any that would practice its art. It has a history that is both fascinating and mysterious. It even seems to have some as-yet-unexplained beneficial physical effects.

Let this be, however, a solemn warning to any who try Reiki: Once it has taken hold, the Reiki craft will not release you easily. Once you have begun the Reiki process upon your own body, you will either continue it as the energy-slave to a 173-year-old cult leader, or leave it on a path to despair or death.

Many of these properties were confirmed in a 1964 study at the University of Berkeley under the direction of Dr. Alec Rumney. 16 students with a wide variety of injuries were healed at an amazingly accelerated rate using Reiki techniques. In one case, an avid bicyclist saw his broken leg repair itself enough in two days after starting the treatments that he was able to ride in a marathon and claim third place. In addition, the students all reported increased feelings of euphoria and general contentment.

The down-sides of the study, however, were disturbing: ten out of the 16 students reported extreme anxiety several weeks after the Reiki treatments were over. "It's like someone is watching me all the time. I feel like somebody wants something from me," said one of the participants. The six students that did not indicate high anxiety did report feelings of moodiness or despair. One of these six remarked, "I feel totally drained, you know? It's like part of me is missing."

Strangely, all 16 students asserted that they "definitely" wished to continue with the Reiki treatments. Of the 16, only two did not pursue further Reiki sessions in their own time. One of the two who did not continue with Reiki committed suicide seven months after the study had concluded. The other went missing later in the year and is now presumed dead.

In a 1973 survey conducted by the Molnhead Institute for the Study of the Occult (MISO), 993 Reiki practitioners were polled on a wide variety of subjects ranging from TV viewing habits to sexual performance. While most of the results contain statistically normal data for any segment of the populace, all of the respondents answered affirmatively to two questions: "Do you feel as though you are watched over by some unseen force?" and "Do you often feel tired at strange times during the day?"

Though much about Reiki remains a mystery, one thing is perfectly clear: though it has the ability to heal wounds and calm minds, its overall effect is that of a draining force on those who practice it.

So we can't rule this out as well, Here is what Rik posted about his Reiki experience:

Saturday, 5 August 2006
3
About Me
Posted by Rik at 23:07


In the Yucatan, Mexico 2008
Aged 25, I attended and completed both compulsory education (the national mind-control curriculum) and university, whilst working on a musical endeavour in which I released 2 albums nationwide, shot music videos and toured the UK & Europe religiously. My band 'FULC' received rave reviews and praise in the likes of Kerrang, Metal Hammer and Rock Sound magazine. The band occupied a good 6 years of my life in which I was lead guitarist and backing vocalist.

Due to my musical passion, I developed skills in graphic design / web design / flash and all other things multimedia, as an aid for promotion.

Shortly after FULC's demise in 2005, I began my own solo electronica project called 'Somewhere Not Here' and teamed up with the guys in 'Ten Seconds Of Chaos' from Leeds. Both were short-lived due to my urge for some true personal development.

I realised a 'real job' was needed to fund my aspirations. Seven years, working in local independent record stores had to come to an end, and so I moved on to what I thought was the dream job - but oh, how I was wrong.

Ethical travel company! Who thought of that one? An ethical travel company who's owner becomes a millionaire and buys a mansion in Greece, and then sells out to First Choice Holidays... poor poor gullible students. Never take an organised 'Gap Year' - do it yourselves!

And so my perceptions started to shift to cut a long story short...

I travelled to Egypt and took a boat up the Nile from Aswan to Luxor before moving on to Cairo to see the pyramids at Giza, Saqqara and Dashur. Meditating in the 'Kings Chamber' is one of those experiences you'll never forget.

On my return, I was introduced to Julia, a lady who was to become my Reiki Master. Over a series of weeks, Julia trained me to Reiki Level II - a life changing gift.

The summer of 2007, showed me the true meaning of synchronicity. Experiences, too long and complicated to explain, involved the crop circles in Wiltshire, Glastonbury, Daniel Pinchbeck (author of 2012: The Year Of The Mayan Prophecy), David Shayler (self-declared reincarnation of the Yeshua spirit), Stonehenge, Avebury and the islands of Malta and Gozo.

Along came winter, leaving me no option but to start my studies... oh and squeeze a trip to the Yucatan in Mexico, to get a feel for the home of 2012.

Where I stand today? There is a problem with the state of our environment. There is a problem with society. There is a problem with our governments. There is a problem with this corrupt pyramid of power enslaving our planet. But... there is hope!

-

[lizzy]

So bloody well put. You articulate much better than me right now frankanne. I've noticed you ask the same questions time & time again; yet everyone denies them and skirts round the issues. You have my utmost respect for not giving in. Tis a tough (but extemely important) cause you (and others) have taken on board, I'm with you.

hi kweli, I have to second you here.....dark forces or not, there is enough to be suspicious about.

[frankanne]

So bloody well put. You articulate much better than me right now frankanne. I've noticed you ask the same questions time & time again; yet everyone denies them and skirts round the issues. You have my utmost respect for not giving in. Tis a tough (but extemely important) cause you (and others) have taken on board, I'm with you.

Thanks for that Kweli and Lizzy. It is so easy to spot the true truth seekers, because we are the ones looking for the truth, whereas those who keep avoiding the question of Rik's blog coming down are showing themselves to be wanting to pervert the truth, by speaking as though they KNOW that Rik went off his head, destroyed all his work, then committed suicide.

It is so obvious that this is a perversion of truth, simply because they are so ADAMANT that that is what happened. And they will NEVER, ever, entertain even for one minute the POSSIBILITY that Rik was threatened.

Whereas us truth seekers are ASKING what happened. We are asking, could Rik have been warned off and threatened?

Reasonable question given the known facts and evidence. Yet those who call us 'nutters' for asking the question are showing themselves to be working for the agenda of truth SUPPRESSION.

Shame on them I say.

[lizzy]

" Stunted Records"............:eek:

[frankanne]

So Goldman, you seem to be saying that you belief Rik just went off his head - you seem to think that Reiki might have been the cause.

I believe that Rik was threatened back in June when he suddenly went underground and destroyed all his work.

I think that the 'threats' theory fits with the known facts and evidence, more than the vague 'rieki' theory or 'conspiracy research sends you nuts' theory, don't you?

I mean, we do have some facts and evidence here. And when we look at the facts, they fit perfectly with the 'threats' theory.

Whereas the theory of Rik just going 'nuts' because of his research or because of his rieki, well, it is THAT that is supposition and assumption and not very logical and certainly does NOT fit with the known facts.

We KNOW that threats are made to prominent truth seekers. There's no question of it. So why are people shying away from discussing the possibility of Rik being threatened? Why are people so afraid to discuss that possibility?

Why are they so INSISTENT on speaking as though IT IS A FACT that Rik just went off his head? I don't believe he did.

[goldman]

Frankanne, as you probably read -or not- I questioned his passing as well, although my viewpoint on his passing isn't due to a CIA asset sneaking into his room and put some poison in his soda, no but that doesn't mean I don't question it, furthermore I believe he was influenced as I stated in various topics to take his own life. Just like we talked about energy suckers, he could have been pushed towards suicide, and yes maybe he received a threat or a call that made him do it for real.

As I look at the evidence I notice this pattern:

I travelled to Egypt and took a boat up the Nile from Aswan to Luxor before moving on to Cairo to see the pyramids at Giza, Saqqara and Dashur. Meditating in the 'Kings Chamber' is one of those experiences you'll never forget.

On my return, I was introduced to Julia, a lady who was to become my Reiki Master. Over a series of weeks, Julia trained me to Reiki Level II - a life changing gift.

The summer of 2007, showed me the true meaning of synchronicity

He first performs (unknowingly I guess) one of the most Satanic rituals you can imagine: Meditating in the kings chamber. A lot of pagans and satanists do that once in a while. Even Aleister Crowley (the self proclaimed anti-Christ) meditated in the kings chamber, where he received secrets that were passed to him by an being called 'Aiwass' while communing with `the secret masters' and `higher entities' during trance states. It's no trivial undertaking. And so when Rik came back all of a sudden he took Reiki lessons from someone called 'Julia' and reached a Reiki Level II. And as we know, Reiki isn't without dangers.

So that makes me think: could he be influenced while meditating to go into Reiki, which led him down a self destructive path, and yes maybe he received threats, or subconsciously was 'triggered' to take his life.

Rik reportedly got adrenal fatigue which disabled him and ultimately triggered his death. Now what's interesting here is that both the Kings Chamber which represents the Pineal Gland and the Queens Chamber which represents the Pituitary Gland are placed in the Pyramid in the same position as they are placed in the human brain. The Adrenal fatigue is due to a pineal disorder or depletion of the pineal gland.

Isn't that an coincidence? Either way, I guess we can be certain that the Gnosis took his life.

[synergy777]

goldman goodstuff.

could mediating in the kings chamber awakened rik, or opened him up for negative entities.

what is wrong with reiki, i have often thought about about getting it done.

[goldman]

@synergy777

Maybe indeed.

Concerning Reiki, I posted a little bit about it, and it's like with all energy/spirituality: don't take it lightly. I am no Reiki master and I would think twice before getting into it, and especially when one is unstable. A friend of mine did Reiki and was hospitalized into a mental institution because of the energy impact, reading further on Internet and you'll see that some commit suicide over it.

What I understand about Reiki, is when the Ki get's unleashed (the energy) you'll have to be a master to focus the Ki otherwise it can be explosive energy. Like Bruce Lee proves with his 1 inch punch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx9iPFMriz0


Here is some info on the dangers of Reiki:

http://ratfactor.com/page/reikiWarning

Reiki lays down a very tempting path. It promises peace and a light heart to any that would practice its art. It has a history that is both fascinating and mysterious. It even seems to have some as-yet-unexplained beneficial physical effects.

Let this be, however, a solemn warning to any who try Reiki: Once it has taken hold, the Reiki craft will not release you easily. Once you have begun the Reiki process upon your own body, you will either continue it as the energy-slave to a 173-year-old cult leader, or leave it on a path to despair or death.

Many of these properties were confirmed in a 1964 study at the University of Berkeley under the direction of Dr. Alec Rumney. 16 students with a wide variety of injuries were healed at an amazingly accelerated rate using Reiki techniques. In one case, an avid bicyclist saw his broken leg repair itself enough in two days after starting the treatments that he was able to ride in a marathon and claim third place. In addition, the students all reported increased feelings of euphoria and general contentment.

The down-sides of the study, however, were disturbing: ten out of the 16 students reported extreme anxiety several weeks after the Reiki treatments were over. "It's like someone is watching me all the time. I feel like somebody wants something from me," said one of the participants. The six students that did not indicate high anxiety did report feelings of moodiness or despair. One of these six remarked, "I feel totally drained, you know? It's like part of me is missing."

Strangely, all 16 students asserted that they "definitely" wished to continue with the Reiki treatments. Of the 16, only two did not pursue further Reiki sessions in their own time. One of the two who did not continue with Reiki committed suicide seven months after the study had concluded. The other went missing later in the year and is now presumed dead.

In a 1973 survey conducted by the Molnhead Institute for the Study of the Occult (MISO), 993 Reiki practitioners were polled on a wide variety of subjects ranging from TV viewing habits to sexual performance. While most of the results contain statistically normal data for any segment of the populace, all of the respondents answered affirmatively to two questions: "Do you feel as though you are watched over by some unseen force?" and "Do you often feel tired at strange times during the day?"

Though much about Reiki remains a mystery, one thing is perfectly clear: though it has the ability to heal wounds and calm minds, its overall effect is that of a draining force on those who practice it.

[planetsadhana]

I have done reiki to level 2 and there is some controversy around its origins and practice

for me it gave me an amazing mystical experience during the first initation, where I felt my third eye litterally open and also felt other presences around me , one of which placed their hands on my shoulders, this was a blissfull and positive experience,

however when doing the second initiation with the symbols I really felt I was channeling and had problems staying grounded for the next few days

I have also had sleep paralysis since then so much so that I met up with my reiki teacher to talk things over and they have abated.

I think reiki is what you make of it, it can be powerfull and used to heal but im also aware that it has "opened" me up to a higher awareness and both positive and negative energies

Im pretty levelheaded and have been doing more work on my lower chakras to keep me grounded however reiki is not advised for folks who have had mental health issues as the whole mystical experience can throw you a bit.

[goldman]

Thanks planetsadhana, it's good to know your experience, isn't it also a bit like drugs: don't take 'em if one is unstable? since it will boost your overall mental health or illness.

[planetsadhana]

its true what you sat that all energy /spirituality work should not be taken lightly

look at david icke he has experienced a kundalini awakening that just about blew his socks off and still has to put up with people thinking he is a nutter
as he said himself its not easy,

with reiki, I rarely practice it now ,my own beliefs are changing to the extent that like all meditation, energy ,spiritual work its an individual practice , i tend to do do my "meditation" when im out walking the dog

im thankfull to reiki for giving me a few tools to practice with but it becomes another dogma to follow and also should be respected in the fact that you are channeling energy so you have to be strong minded and at a level where you can cope with that

yoga has been getting bad press recently, i read an article by stuart wilde regarding drawing in negative energys when in certain postures and through the breathing process and things like chi/kung , tai chi similar

I take these claims with a pinch of salt as they do have a positive side however its also wise to be aware that these practices dabble with unseen forces

[thirdwave]

Why are there those ON THE DAVID ICKE FORUM, (I could understand it from a main stream media forum, but not the David Icke forum) saying that those of us who feel it is suspicious that Rik's blog came down, are 'nutters'? and worse abuse too.

I believe there are three other threads going on where if you really feel you must, you can ask as many questions about it as you like and go on about it until the cows come home... I'm a little bit confused as to why you feel you need 4 threads...

[kweli]

Yeah that does happen, same with John Todd and a dozen other researchers. They locked John Todd up and killed him. He was reportedly one of the first ex-Illuminati in the 70'ish. Info: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4797172096740150104

So I don't rule anything out, it's possible to influence people to drive them self nuts.
A friend of mine went crazy over Reiki and was hospitalized over it, I did read that Rik also had Reiki lessons, at personally speaking it's dangerous energy to toy with.



So we can't rule this out as well, Here is what Rik posted about his Reiki experience:


-

That's very interesting information, thanks goldman. I've had reiki healing before, on numerous occasions - - i have to admit at the time I was pretty fucked up! and the lady (lovely woman) was, looking back now - quite posssed herself. Man.. you've given me food for thought.

I recieved my reiki healing by a catholic woman ( I know the church don't like this sort of thing) whilst on a 'retreat' through AA (alcoholics anonymous) what a fucking sham! man.. how vulnerable & silly I was way back then!

Please, please, please folks,, you got a drink problem? DO NOT TURN TO THE AA PROGRAMME

For fucks sake.. It's a little known secret, but.. THE ROCKERFELLERS FUNDED IT!

[goldman]

Hi kweli,

Yes I will think twice before suggesting to anyone that they should go into spirituality that deep. Pretty much all my life I've been influenced by satanism/luceferianism, been into many parts of satanism, paganism, Christianity, Buddhism, Taoism, Tarot reading, etc etc since as a child. So I've become a bit spiritually robust to it when I experience it, from my experience it's real, I do believe that this system they created has a Luceferian background, but the problem with many spiritual people is that some subconsciously accept the spiritual world as been enlightened whilst some forget that "Lucifer" was the brightest angel, star, he was Illumined, and so light can be false light. Personally speaking, opening your 3rd eye means to me that you open yourself to Lucifer. Evil light, instead of good and hence why it's so difficult to understand all these things we deal with. Worshiping the "sun god" is the same as worshiping the Lucifer in my idea.

And so forth in my heart I believe in God, no mater what I read, hear, see, I feel that it's true. Whether that is some God of the scriptures I do not know. But I am pretty much certain that Lucifer exist, and a God as well.

I believe that when you trust yourself and embrace love, you will become resistant against it, but for me: it mustn't come from some practice, it must come from your heart.

But that is solely my opinion, and what I feel about it.

[celtic isis]

This whole thing made me think, you get so many who scoff at people when they talk about going through an awakening and stuff... and feel a spiritual change ... and you don't really have any real help for people going through this... it seems we are on our own... either people don't understand, dont want to know... or are even offended by it because it challenges views they have...



Don't want to swell your head even more matey lol but once again took the words out of me mouth there :)

I feel for you about those mates who distance themselves from you now, and like, same happens to me, but like we're kool people you know, not many of us are these stereo typical conspiracy theorist people! Our families and friends, i mean they must notice we've changed in our lives, being as well, they just don't get it, it's not about CONSPIRACIES!! it's about THE TRUTH!! lol

I think it's turning into 2 camps now - those asleep/sleepwalking and those awake.

This is what THEY want, seperating us even more, but what else can we do, ony go our own way safely, healthily as we can and planting seeds when the opportunity arises. I don't know what happened to Rik but this was his destiny either way, he did amazing things and i am sure he was an amazing beautiful person who touched many people in his short life. It doesn't seem right to me that someone so aware and spiritually strong and passionate too could just do himself in...of course all of us do feel like that sometimes, cause it's so much to take in and particularly with family and friends all turning their backs, unless you have other loved ones on your side well, you end up all alone. Though no one should be afraid to be alone either; basically we each have to follow our own destiny, Rik did, i think it could be possible he was just exhausted physically, i didn't do anything on the scale of rik and my health has suffered terribly from family/sheeple crap, i mean the aggression and scoffing we are subjected to is just a disgrace. The fascist state is already here and has been for a very long time, you only have to go out the door and come into contact socially with people to find out lol

i don't let it bother me as much now and let it go over my head.

anyway what was i saying lol? Thirdwave you're spot on! :)

As was said before, it's really important when on this path and coming into the process of seeing the world from the right angle, that you find what makes oyu happy, a hobby, that can release all the pent up anger, frustration, fear etc...and brig you back to your happy place, that nice feeling place when you're just content to be.

For me it's art, making stuff, decorating, i'm so happy when i'm being creative.

[thirdwave]

Don't want to swell your head even more matey lol but once again took the words out of me mouth there :)

I feel for you about those mates who distance themselves from you now, and like, same happens to me, but like we're kool people you know, not many of us are these stereo typical conspiracy theorist people! Our families and friends, i mean they must notice we've changed in our lives, being as well, they just don't get it, it's not about CONSPIRACIES!! it's about THE TRUTH!! lol

I think it's turning into 2 camps now - those asleep/sleepwalking and those awake.

This is what THEY want, seperating us even more, but what else can we do, ony go our own way safely, healthily as we can and planting seeds when the opportunity arises. I don't know what happened to Rik but this was his destiny either way, he did amazing things and i am sure he was an amazing beautiful person who touched many people in his short life. It doesn't seem right to me that someone so aware and spiritually strong and passionate too could just do himself in...of course all of us do feel like that sometimes, cause it's so much to take in and particularly with family and friends all turning their backs, unless you have other loved ones on your side well, you end up all alone. Though no one should be afraid to be alone either; basically we each have to follow our own destiny, Rik did, i think it could be possible he was just exhausted physically, i didn't do anything on the scale of rik and my health has suffered terribly from family/sheeple crap, i mean the aggression and scoffing we are subjected to is just a disgrace. The fascist state is already here and has been for a very long time, you only have to go out the door and come into contact socially with people to find out lol

i don't let it bother me as much now and let it go over my head.

anyway what was i saying lol? Thirdwave you're spot on! :)

As was said before, it's really important when on this path and coming into the process of seeing the world from the right angle, that you find what makes oyu happy, a hobby, that can release all the pent up anger, frustration, fear etc...and brig you back to your happy place, that nice feeling place when you're just content to be.

For me it's art, making stuff, decorating, i'm so happy when i'm being creative.


Its ok I got a bigger hat now :)


Yeah... its important not to end things that create life to start with!
as thats the whole point... you stop doing that and you have created the NWO your self.. what many people are doing anyway...

As you may know I don't even think the truth movement is effective any more anyway...

you get a new guy come in asking questions and you will have half a dozen people shouting one thing at him... half a dozen saying another thing... then a few people calling them Freemasons for saying it... and the others are calling them shills ..... and that's pretty much how the truth movement is now... it has changed from a truth movement into a truth fight.

Yes, I agree with the sleep walkers comment....

[armoured_amazon]

As you may know I don't even think the truth movement is effective any more anyway...

you get a new guy come in asking questions and you will have half a dozen people shouting one thing at him... half a dozen saying another thing... then a few people calling them Freemasons for saying it... and the others are calling them shills ..... and that's pretty much how the truth movement is now... it has changed from a truth movement into a truth fight.

Yes, I agree with the sleep walkers comment....

I agree with that.

[celtic isis]

I agree with that.

TRUTH FIGHT, totally it.

really have to look after ourselves now, and leave the sheep alone, i mean relatively alone lol

;)