RH Factor in Human Blood..

[becky]

I have read most everything I could get my hands on concerning the reptiles and all other alien life forms said to be on this planet, however, this thing with the fact that the vast majority of people on this earth have rh positive blood, the rh factor is something all primates have and relates to the Rhesus monkey, is something I do no understand. How do we explain the very small percentage of those with rh neg blood? They do not have the rh factor at all and only about 7 percent of the worlds population has the negative blood. RH neg is the universal donor blood and anyone can receive it, but those with rh neg cannot receive positive blood. There has to be something we don't know concerning this. I have never read any works that can really explain it. I have read about the Basque people who have a higher number in thier lineage that have rh neg, but still no explanation for it. If anyone can shed some light on this, I would be most appreciative.

[i am all i am]

G'day Becky.

Welcome to the forum.

This is not a subject that I have looked into, but I found this article and thought that you may be interested...

The Rh-negative Factor :
"Reptilian Traits"(the DRAGON within).
by James Vandale


Distribution of Blood Types of Blood Donors

O Rh-positive
37 percent
A Rh-positive
36 percent
B Rh-positive
9 percent
AB Rh-positive
3 percent
O Rh-negative
7 percent
A Rh-negative
6 percent
B Rh-negative
1 percent
AB Rh-negative
1 percent

* Your Rh status describes whether or not you have a protein on the surface of red blood cells. If you don't have the Rh factor, you're considered Rh-negative; if you have it, you're Rh-positive. About 85 percent of people are Rh-positive, though it varies by race. For African Americans, about 90-95 percent are Rh-positive, and for Asians, the figure is 98 to 99 percent. Hmmmm

Rh-Negatives are RARE.

But, strangely.... a person with type O negative blood is considered to be a "Universal Donor". It means his or her blood can be given to anyone, regardless of blood type, without causing a transfusion reaction.

The Rh-Negatives Factor is considered a "Mutation" of "Unknown Origin", which happened in Europe, about 25,000-35,000 years ago. Then this group spread heavily into the area of what is now Spain, England, Ireland, etc.


The Process of Alloimmunization

During the birthing process, blood cells from the unborn child can escape into the mother's bloodstream. These cells are recognized as foreign if they are a different blood type from the mother and a natural rejection process will ensue with the formation of antibodies. The process is known as red cell alloimmunization.
Extracted from : http://www.med.unc.edu/obgyn/rh.htm


Modes of Inheritance

In more than 98% of cases, the red blood cell incompatibility involves the Rhesus or Rh D antigen[Rh-negative Factor] so the disease is known as Rhesus disease or Rh disease. Although the exact percentage varies with race, 15% of the United States population is Rh-negative and 85% is Rh-positive. If a Rh-negative woman conceives a child with a Rh-positive partner, the potential exists for the child to inherit its father's Rh-positive blood type.[ There are two types of Rh-positive men. In 55% of individuals, the man is heterozygous. In this situation, his genetics allow him to produce Rh-negative offspring 50% of the time and Rh-positive offspring the remaining 50% of the time. In the second type of a Rh-positive= individual, homozygous state.]

So... Rh-negative women with a Rh-positive partner are at RISK of spontaneous miscarriage and other fetus REJECTION events. Hmmmm And a Rh-negative woman with a Rh-negative partner has even a smaller chance of having a Baby born alive! Hmmmm... In animals this is seen as a problem, in HYBRID Animals.

Rh-negative women and men have several "Unusual Traits" that Rh-positives don't. Some call them "Reptilian Traits".


* An EXTRA-Vertebra (a "Tail Bone")....some are born with a tail(called a "Cauda").
* Lower than normal Body Temperature
* Lower than normal Blood Pressure
* Higher mental analytical abilities.
* Higher Negative-ion shielding (from positive "charged" virus/bacteria)around the body.
* High Sensitivity to EM and ELF Fields.
* Hyper Vision and other senses.
* Etc. (TS-MAJIC-NSC)


EUROPE'S MYSTERY PEOPLE :

http://www.knowledge.co.uk/frontiers/sf085/sf085a02.htm
The researches of R. Frank, a scholar at the University of Iowa, suggest that the Basques were far-advanced in navigational skills and other aspects of technology long before the rise of the Roman Empire. The Basques, she believes, are the last remnants of the megalith builders, who left behind dolmens, standing stones, and other rock structures all across Europe and perhaps even in eastern North America.

Two facts set the Basque peoples apart from the other Europeans who have dominated the continent the past 3,000 years: (1) The Basque language is distinctly different; and (2) The Basques have the highest recorded level of Rh-negative blood (roughly twice that of most Europeans), as well as substantially lower levels of Type B blood and a higher incidence of Type O blood.

Some probable technological feats of the Basques or their ancestors are:

Stonehenge and similar megalithic structures....A unique system of measurement based on the number 7, instead of 10, 12, or 60 Regular visits to North America long before Columbus to fish and to trade for beaver skins. Recently unearthed British customs records show large Basque imports of beaver pelts from 1380-1433. The invention of a sophisticated navigational device called an "abacus." (No relation to the common abacus.)

(Haddingham, Evan; "Europe's Mystery People," World Monitor, p. 34, September 1992. Cr. A. Rothovius.)
From Science Frontiers #85, JAN-FEB 1993. A9 1997 William R. Corliss


Human Genetics...

Odd, the REPTILIAN "Aliens" like Abducting the Rh-Negative Humans.

*Human Genetic Traits and Conditions:
http://www.bsc.ufl.edu/bsc/HumanGenetics.shtml

Hmmm... The widow's peak ; Tongue rolling ; Ear lobes ; Freckles ; Eye color ; Polydactyly ; Webbed feet and/or hands ; Albinism ; Rh blood groups ; Cauda ; etc.

CAUDA EQUINA - The bundle of spinal nerve roots arising from the end of the spinal cord and filling the lower part of the spinal canal(from approximately the thoraco-lumbar junction down). Embryology : Caudally the tail region projects over the cloacal membrane.

Cauda : the tail.
The embryonic Human HAS a TAIL! * We ALL my be part REPTILIAN. How does the cauda equina develop?

In the third month, the spinal cord extends through the entire length of the embryo. With increasing age the vertebral column and dura mater lengthen more rapidly than the neural tube and the caudal end of spinal cord shifts to a higher level of the vertebral canal. As a result of this differential growth, the dorsal and ventral rami of the spinal nerves= run obliquely from their segment of origin to the corresponding level of the vertebral column.


In Sanskrit "Ketuu" =3D The south Lunar Node, also known as "Cauda= Draconis", in latin. The "Dragon's Tail", in English. The Dragon's Tail (South Node):

Aspects to the South Node display the results of "Innate Unconscious Tendencies"[In the DNA?] and "Karmic Patterns", as they emerge in life.

The Draconic Zodiac, is used by some astrologers searching for hidden spiritual truths. The Dragon, TALI, Theli. Tali or Theli refers to the 12 Zodiacal constellations along the great circle of the Ecliptic; where it ends there it begins again, and so the ancient occultists drew the Dragon with its tail in its mouth. Some have thought that Tali referred to the constellation Draco, which meanders across the Northern polar sky; others have referred it to the Milky Way; others to an imaginary line joining Caput to Cauda Draconis, the upper and lower nodes of the Moon.

Once upon a time..... there were three zodiacs: the Sidereal, the Tropical, and the Draconic. Shhhh...
http://anastralwelcome.hypermart.net/dragontxt.htm

The Vertex, called a point of fateful encounters over which we have no conscious control, is the intersection of the great circles of the ecliptic... In the Draconic Chart the ecliptic plane of the Sun, the equatorial=20 plane of the Earth, and that of the Lunar orbit are all brought together....= Light paths meet Earth. Hmmmm For the Earth (as a whole), this would be in August of 1999!

The Hero in our Fairy Tales became a great prince, won great love,= gained riches, achieved greatness and acclaim by valiantly searching out and meeting the Dragon head on, face to face.

Set out on a journey and find the Dragon.

..... And everyone lived happily ever after...........*
* (except the dragon... : )


The Reptilians are tracking those with Rh-Negative Factor Blood. Going back into time....the Rh-Neg Hybrids came from the DRACO Caverns in the Carpathian Mountains. They were mostly RED Haired, with Green Eyes and Black haired, with Brown Eyes. They tried to infiltrate themselves into the Blond/Brown Haired, with Blue Eyes, Civilization. They wanted to Mate with those who were not Rh-Negatives. Most Rh-Negs have a Lower Body temperature and Blood pressure than Rh-Positives. Many Rh-Negs are born with a CAUDA(tail) or an Extra Vertebra (Tail Bone). Rh-Negs are Hybrids. They are Part Reptilian/part human. If two Rh-Negs try to have a baby it will usually die or be born a "BLUE Baby", because it is Not processing oxygen properly. Thus "Blue-Bloods", if they survive. 5% of the Earth's population are currently Rh-Negatives. But, they are 15% of the population of the England and the USA.

Dr. Luigi Cavalli-Sforza from Stanford University wrote an article entitled "Genes, Peoples and Languages" (Scientific American, Nov.'91). He pointed out the high Rh-negative concentrations among the people of Morocco, the Basque country of Euskadi, Ireland, Scotland and the Norwegian islands.

The only people among these still to speak their original neolithic language were the Basques...
From http://www.islandnet.com/~edonon/intro.shtml

Also on the Rh-factor map, you will notice that the Icelandic=20 population has a very low incidence of Rh-negative individuals, unlike the rest of Scandinavia.
From http://www.sfs.nphil.uni-tuebingen.de/linguist/issues/3/3-87.shtml

The most distinctive members of the European branch of the human tree are the Basques of France and Spain. They show unusual patterns for several genes, including the highest rate of the Rh-negative blood type. Their language is of unknown origin and cannot be placed within any standard classification.

Consider Iceland, 1% of its population is Rh-negative. The population of Iceland is about two-third of Scandinavian and one-third of Irish descent. Scandinavia, Ireland, and the British Isles show from 16% to 25% and above Rh-negative. The other populations with a proportion of Rh-negative individuals similar to Iceland occupy the eastern half of Asia, Madagascar, Australia and New-Zealand.
From http://www.sfs.nphil.uni-tuebingen.de/linguist/issues/3/3-151.shtml

http://www.sheeplefiles.com/reptilianfile.htm


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[becky]

I have rh neg and have always wondered why?! I do have the redhair and green eyes with many of the other traits said to be found in rh negatives. However, I do not have the tail..thank god for that! lol ..I once read an article that said rh negs are monitored from birth to death without them knowing it. That scared the bejeebers out of me. I know when I was expecting my babies, rh neg patients were seen on different days than the other expectant moms, and there were so few of us. I was raised in southern fundamentalism and always knew something was wrong. I am a survivor of all that nonsense and am trying to hard to learn all I can about our history. This blood thing really bothers me. I am not an evil person at all and I don't want to find out I came from some hideous group of creatures. Thanks for the article. Becky

[pedsi]

I recall reading a book on NLP a couple of years ago and on the chapter about eye assessing clues, ie if your eyes look to you right when thinking of an answer say,you are accessing the right side of your brain your imagination and to the left for factual information.What i found odd was that the book claimed that this was true for everyone except people from the basque areas of europe.So not only do they have a unique blood type but they seem to be operating on some levels differently from the rest of mankind:confused:

[becky]

I think I should have left this subject alone. Not only do I have most of the traits, but my mothers parents came from Ireland! They were all very nice and honest hardworking people. Please, someone tell me I didn't come from a clan of monsters!

[lookfar]

Hehe, you are not from a clan of monsters becky :), it's who you are inside that matters, not your bloodline.

Interesting article there IAAIA, thanks for that :)

[adramelech]

Hehe, you are not from a clan of monsters becky :), it's who you are inside that matters, not your bloodline.

True in a sense. Genetic traits are simply that and the reality of your genes goes far beyond what present human science can understand - furthermore, your genes can be altered via the mind, will and other influences.

I have "reptilian" blood too and a lot of the same traits.

[becky]

Thanks for the positive thoughts guys. It just always concerned me that out of billions of people, there are so few with my blood type. I know there is a reason and yes, it is who I am inside that counts. I cringe just thinking of how this world is being run and how so much evil is done to humanity, especially to the children. It tears me up inside to try to imagine what has and is being done to them.

[tinmenace]

Thanks for the positive thoughts guys. It just always concerned me that out of billions of people, there are so few with my blood type. I know there is a reason and yes, it is who I am inside that counts. I cringe just thinking of how this world is being run and how so much evil is done to humanity, especially to the children. It tears me up inside to try to imagine what has and is being done to them.

I am RH-negative too. This is all very interesting. I never knew there was such a big deal about it.

Nah Becky! Even David says that not all reptilian bloodlines are sinister, so even if we are some kind of hybrids from way back, we know who we are on the inside, as Lookfar so wisely pointed out.

I find it interesting that you are a 'survivor' and that you always felt different. I have described myself that way too. If ever you feel like sharing your story with us, I'd be most interested to hear, and to compare notes. Who knows, maybe we are monitored all our lives...:confused:

[tinmenace]

IAAIA, as usual the master of digging up information! Thank you. I'm astounded at the info. I always wondered what that tail thang above my pooper was!


Just kidding folks!

[becky]

I am RH-negative too. This is all very interesting. I never knew there was such a big deal about it.

Nah Becky! Even David says that not all reptilian bloodlines are sinister, so even if we are some kind of hybrids from way back, we know who we are on the inside, as Lookfar so wisely pointed out.

I find it interesting that you are a 'survivor' and that you always felt different. I have described myself that way too. If ever you feel like sharing your story with us, I'd be most interested to hear, and to compare notes. Who knows, maybe we are monitored all our lives...:confused:

I suppose there is not much that would be very interesting about my life. I was raised in the south right smack in the midst of jesus country. I always had problems with the bible and no one wanted to try to answer my questions. The OT god was so vicious I just couldn’t imagine how we were to love a being like that. In the NT jesus says that if we have seen him, we have seen the father! We saw the father in the OT and I didn’t like him then. I always knew Paul was a fake and liar from my early years. Of course, that was just plain blasphemy to question anything in the ‘word of god’. I always had the thought what kind of god would write such a hateful, vicious book with the most absurd laws for us if he loved us. It is so contradictory no one really understands it as a holy book. That is why there are thousands of religions. When I finally opened my eyes completely and saw the bible for what it really is, it now makes sense and I feel like a prisoner set free. I just know whatever being created this planet was a good being or there would not be so much beauty. This creator is not only brilliant, but would make perfect sense if he/she should communicate. There would be no misunderstanding. Since my childhood, I have felt there was a gentle caring being we could count on, but also we had a part to do. All I knew was it could not be the god presented in the bible.

[thirdwave]

im type o -

.... so us negatives have less monkey DNA?

shit maybe im a reptile :eek:

[becky]

im type o -

.... so us negatives have less monkey DNA?

shit maybe im a reptile :eek:

I am just delighted I don't have the tail! That would be a real bummer..lol:D

[cheeb]

True in a sense. Genetic traits are simply that and the reality of your genes goes far beyond what present human science can understand - furthermore, your genes can be altered via the mind, will and other influences.

I have "reptilian" blood too and a lot of the same traits.

Me thinks adramelech is a confused individual
Genetic traits are well within the level of human understanding
(Crick & Watson, Darwin, Mendele)

They cannot be altered by the mind,they go back to prehistory and bacterium

they can be infleunced by cosmic (radiation ) forces- hence mostly un beneficitial mutations

Blood does not contain DNA

If you want to get your facts straight, Mitochondrial DNA is worth looking at

WE all have reptillian ,amphibian and bacteriall DNA/RNA in our cellular structure

This is meant to be a TRUTH forum rather than supposition/superstition

I think he is talking about MEMES (mind viruses) adeqately described by psychology and completely unscientifically proven

You can isolate the gene for blue eyes yet so far we are unable to isolate the meme for facism,islam,or wearing yuor hat the wrong way around

[midwich cuckoo]

Interesting post, I'm also O -

This is something I never really thought about before.

I also have a rather large tail but it's not round the back. :p Sorry I couldn't resist that rather weak joke. ;)

[tinmenace]

Interesting post, I'm also O -

This is something I never really thought about before.

I also have a rather large tail but it's not round the back. :p Sorry I couldn't resist that rather weak joke. ;)

ROFLMAO! You are funny!

[adramelech]

Me thinks adramelech is a confused individual


Me thinks cheeb has a hard time stepping out of the belief system designed by modern "science" circa 1550. :D

It's okay, it can be a tough nut.

By the way, I was simply referring to the work of Dr. Bruce Lipton in a purely general sense.

I actually went back to edit this post because it came across as a bit condescending, but I realized you said "Blood does not contain DNA". I'm assuming you either put this in your post as a red herring or a joke. Only red blood cells do not contain DNA, as they lack a nucleus. DNA is extracted from white blood cells.

[cheeb]

Me thinks cheeb has a hard time stepping out of the belief system designed by modern "science" circa 1550. :D

It's okay, it can be a tough nut.

By the way, I was simply referring to the work of Dr. Bruce Lipton in a purely general sense.

wheres your science ,i offered mine,
mendele frater gregor studied sweet pea plants ,dominant and recessive genes

charles darwin -the origin of the species cheif natural scientist on board the beagle chartering the gallapagos archillepego and the diversity of flora and fauna

crick and watson circa 1955 studying the nature of the double helix dna/ rna chromosome ,and the nucleotide connection etc....etc.....

you get the drift ,what has that got to do with a fool that invented cold tea Lipton) crikey i invent it at least 3 times aday

[i am all i am]

I am just delighted I don't have the tail! That would be a real bummer..lol:D

G'day Becky.

Who you are is soul.

Source
Of
Unconditional
Love

The mind and body are merely tools to express and experience WHO YOU ARE !!!

Whether you have a tail or not, you have choice, free will. Your choices of mind/soul/body are expressed through thought/word/action to experience truth/love/joy (or lies/fear/pain). So, any comparison of a mental or physical nature with any group is irrelevant. The only relevance is your choice of how you choose to express and experience yourself.


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[lumukanda]

i'm also O-, never really thought much of it tbh, but this is very interesting, i got the green eyes, and my hair is brown, but my beard is red.
my girlfriend is the ultimate reptile (or so we always joke), she has O- blood, green eyes, red hair, but she has no tail, and is really nice.

[thirdwave]

I am just delighted I don't have the tail! That would be a real bummer..lol:D

:)

its actyaly strange given that type O - is a rare blood type and we have so many here with it.... maybe we are all reptiles!

of course I think asuming all "reptiles" are bad is a mistake.... we just know a sertain genetics they have can be used for "evil"

[bigus_dickus]

i am O- too and i am a reptittylian :D

[tinmenace]

i am O- too and i am a reptittylian :D

ROFL - Nice play on words there!

[becky]

:)

its actyaly strange given that type O - is a rare blood type and we have so many here with it.... maybe we are all reptiles!

of course I think asuming all "reptiles" are bad is a mistake.... we just know a sertain genetics they have can be used for "evil"

It is not type O that is rare, it has to be the negative types. There is O positive, which is the most common bloodtype. All rh negs are very rare. Types A, B, O or AB have nothing to do with it. It is whether these types are pos or neg.

[tinmenace]

Right, as IAAIA quoted in his post;

Your Rh status describes whether or not you have a protein on the surface of red blood cells. If you don't have the Rh factor, you're considered Rh-negative; if you have it, you're Rh-positive.

[thirdwave]

It is not type O that is rare, it has to be the negative types. There is O positive, which is the most common bloodtype. All rh negs are very rare. Types A, B, O or AB have nothing to do with it. It is whether these types are pos or neg.

yeah I m type O-, not type O+... its rare but not the rarest.... but it is the only blood type that all other blood types will be happy to mix with.... but type O-, blood types will only want to mix with other type O-

surley diforent blood types must have started from when we were created... some of us must have been made slightly difforent for this to have come about... or why woule the blood types be diforent and not be able to mix...

[alchemy]

True in a sense. Genetic traits are simply that and the reality of your genes goes far beyond what present human science can understand - furthermore, your genes can be altered via the mind, will and other influences.

I have "reptilian" blood too and a lot of the same traits.

LOL. What rubbish. I'm sorry but that is simply impossible. Glad to see someone like Cheeb can put knowledge over fantasy (and wishful thinking).

[bigus_dickus]

LOL. What rubbish. I'm sorry but that is simply impossible. Glad to see someone like Cheeb can put knowledge over fantasy (and wishful thinking).

nothing is impossible. today's science has found that genes are controlled and that they are not the controllers as believed a few years ago.

the question is, controlled by what?

[adramelech]

LOL. What rubbish. I'm sorry but that is simply impossible. Glad to see someone like Cheeb can put knowledge over fantasy (and wishful thinking).

I look at posts like this as a sort of cry for help. If you want to get started on the subject, I recommend checking out the work of cellular biologist and researcher Dr. Bruce Lipton for a good primer. Read up on epigenetics, IEGs, somatic epitypes, what have you... check out early work by McClintock, Waddington, etc..

Do some research, have fun - don't get a goofy attitude on an anonymous internet forum because you don't understand something.

[cheeb]

re. bruce lipton

Nah mate sorry not for me
This is a Lamarckian theory of biology & genetics not a new way of thinking
A fairytale up there with Lovelocks "Gaia" hypothesis

Evolution couldn't possibly happen in such a short period of time
it's a slow, gradual step by step process that takes place in "deep time" over millenieu

Although i suppose cataclysmic events such as the one that took place in the Yacatan peninsular 65 million years ago do seem to propel "it" in a different direction

As for spontaneous remissions from disease,sure they might happen,(as others have said "nothing is impossible" (yeah right!)
but of all the millions who visit Lourdes only about 70 are on file as being of interest in this category

The holistic approach sounds very nice but having trained for 3 years as a diagnostic radiographer most organic diseases or traumas are localised and are cured, healed, exised at the point of "injury" not holistically.

Also anyone such as this "quack" bruce lipton who claims to understand quantum mechanisms/physics , --DOESN'T

Nobody does-yet

[cheeb]

re. bruce lipton

Nah mate sorry not for me
This is a Lamarckian theory of biology & genetics not a new way of thinking
A fairytale up there with Lovelocks "Gaia" hypothesis

Evolution couldn't possibly happen in such a short period of time
it's a slow, gradual step by step process that takes place in "deep time" over millenieu

Although i suppose cataclysmic events such as the one that took place in the Yacatan peninsular 65 million years ago do seem to propel "it" in a different direction

As for spontaneous remissions from disease,sure they might happen,(as others have said "nothing is impossible" (yeah right!)
but of all the millions who visit Lourdes only about 70 are on file as being of interest in this category

The holistic approach sounds very nice but having trained for 3 years as a diagnostic radiographer most organic diseases or traumas are localised and are cured, healed, exised at the point of "injury" not holistically.

Also anyone such as this "quack" bruce lipton who claims to understand quantum mechanisms/physics , --DOESN'T

Nobody does-yet

[edit]

nothing is impossible. today's science has found that genes are controlled and that they are not the controllers as believed a few years ago.

the question is, controlled by what?


New research resolve Rh protein's biological role
May 26 ,General Science


New research resolve Rh protein's biological role



Labels marking bags of donated blood throughout the world contain information about the presence of a Rhesus (Rh) antigen, a protein found on the membranes of human red blood cells. Yet, despite the Rh protein's importance in blood transfusion and the problems it can cause between Rh negative mothers and their Rh positive fetuses, its biological role has remained largely unresolved since its discovery 65 years ago.

But a new study, led by biologists at the University of California, Berkeley, and due to be published June 22 in the journal Genetics, may help clarify the mystery by giving additional evidence that the Rh protein serves as a gas channel for carbon dioxide (CO2).
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Image: Rh proteins act as gas channels that help speed the transfer of carbon dioxide (CO2) in and out of red blood cells. CO2 can also pass through the cell membrane unaided (above right), but not quickly enough, said UC Berkeley researchers. (Image by Barbara Alonso)

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The study's conclusions, the researchers said, will lead to new directions in human and animal physiology research, as well as generate lively debate among biochemists and hematologists.

"This has implications for understanding how humans breathe, how we control the acidity (pH) of various fluids in our bodies and how our kidneys function, all of which rely upon movement of CO2 across cell membranes," said Sydney Kustu, professor of plant and microbial biology at UC Berkeley's College of Natural Resources and principal investigator of the study.

Kustu noted that scientists had long doubted the presence of protein channels for CO2 or any gases. This is because gases typically have no trouble crossing cell membranes unaided, so it was not suspected that the Rh protein would play such a role.
But among gases, carbon dioxide (CO2) and ammonia (NH3) are exceptional, the researchers explained. They both dissolve readily in water, which can slow their passage across oily membranes.

Recent evidence indicates that ammonium/methylammonium transporter (Amt) proteins act as gas channels for NH3. Unlike active transporters, channels allow multiple molecules of gas to move through at the same time, an important distinction for gases that need to move across membranes quickly.

Until a few years ago, scientists thought that Amt handled the charged ion for ammonia (NH4+), which is the major form found in water. They also believed Amt was an active transporter and used energy to move the ion molecules in or out of cells against a gradient.

Notably, Rh and Amt proteins are more closely related to each other than any other proteins. Because of this, many scientists have suggested that Rh proteins also function as active transporters for charged ammonium ions.

"Our research corrects that assumption by showing that Amt proteins are working with ammonia gas, and Rh proteins are working with carbon dioxide" said Kwang-Seo Kim, a research specialist at the Kustu Lab and lead author of the paper. "Other experiments that suggest that Rh proteins transport ammonium ion have involved cloning Rh genes into microorganisms or cells that do not have them naturally."

The researchers reached their conclusions by studying the humble green alga, Chlamydomonas reinhardtii, one of the few microorganisms known to have both Rh and Amt proteins. Amt proteins are widespread among microbes and plants, which use ammonia as the preferred source of nitrogen, a critical nutrient.

In contrast, Rh proteins are rare among microbes, yet common in vertebrates. Ammonia is toxic to vertebrates and, not surprisingly, Amt proteins are absent in this class of animals.

The researchers suggested that green algae have Rh proteins because they thrive in aquatic environments with high concentrations of CO2. Algae use sunlight energy to capture CO2 by photosynthesis.

Kustu and other researchers had previously shown that expression of the Rh gene in C. reinhardtii was high for cells grown in air supplemented with 3 percent CO2, about 100 times the concentration normally found in air. When the algae were grown in air, expression of the Rh gene was low.

They've also found that strains of C. reinhardtii in which the Rh protein was missing did not grow well in environments with high levels of carbon dioxide, suggesting that Rh was necessary for the algae's ability to benefit from high CO2 levels.

In this new study, Kustu and her research team isolated strains of C. reinhardtii in which an Amt gene was inactivated. They found a 90 percent reduction in uptake of the ammonia analogue methylamine in those mutated strains of green algae. In contrast, strains of the green algae in which the Rh gene was inactivated remained sensitive to methylamine and showed no deficiencies in the uptake of the ammonia analogue.

"This paper is the last piece in a puzzle about Amt and Rh proteins," said William Inwood, a research specialist in the Kustu Lab and the senior author of the study. "We've provided strong evidence that the substrate for the Amt protein is ammonia, while the substrate for the Rh protein is carbon dioxide within the same organism."

What do Rh proteins in green algae have to do with Rh proteins in humans? "It turns out that if you know the biochemical function of a protein, you know it," said Kustu. "A protein's biochemical function does not change from organism to organism."

Kustu also notes that the Amt channels are needed when ammonia is available in low concentrations, while the Rh channels kick into gear at high concentrations of carbon dioxide like those found in humans. The concentration of CO2 in human breath is as high as 5 percent.

The Rh protein's role in CO2 transport makes sense given its location on the surface of red blood cells, the researchers said. "Red blood cells need to transport CO2 from body tissue out through the capillaries of the lungs very quickly, and the Rh protein in blood cells is about speed," said Kustu.

Scientists have long taken an interest in the role of Rh protein in the shape and flexibility of red blood cells. The red cells of people who lack all Rh antigens, an extremely rare condition, are misshapen and easily ruptured. It is believed that the Rh protein helps to maintain the flexible, flattened shape of red blood cells. "This structural role is secondary to its original function as a gas channel for CO2," said Kustu. "It seems to be a newly evolving role that increases gas transport in red cells by increasing their surface area."

In addition to being present in red blood cells, Rh proteins are found in a variety of human organs including seminal vesicles and the kidney and brain. "Their location points to the multiple roles Rh proteins play in human physiology," said Kustu. "All this is to say that there is more to Rh proteins than previously thought, and they deserve more research. Studying them will lead in many interesting directions."

Other co-authors of the paper are Eithne Field, a former manager at the Kustu Lab at UC Berkeley; Natalie King, a post-doctoral researcher at the State University of New York at Buffalo's Department of Microbiology; and Takuro Yaoi, a scientist at Panomics, a research technology firm in Redwood City.

The research was funded by grants from the National Institutes of Health and from Syngenta's Torrey Mesa Research Institute, which closed in 2003.

Source: UC Berkeley (http://pda.physorg.com/lofi-news-proteins-cells-co2_4273.html)

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News discussion:

http://pda.physorg.com/lofi-news-proteins-cells-co2_4273.html

[adramelech]

Are you seriously implying that the entire science of epigenetics is "Lamarckian"? That's purely outrageous, but I'm sure you know that.

I would imagine your choice of study and vocation has helped to shape your bias to certain information. Nothing wrong with that, it's just something to work through.

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Analysis of rhesus monkey genome uncovers genetic differences with humans, chimps http://www.physorg.com/news95606665.html

An international consortium of researchers has published the genome sequence of the rhesus macaque monkey and aligned it with the chimpanzee and human genomes. Published April 13 in a special section of the journal Science, the analysis reveals that the three primate species share about 93 percent of their DNA, yet have some significant differences among their genes.

Quantum secrets of photosynthesis revealed
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ICF(UNL)
User ID: 222411
4/12/2007 9:22 PM Re: Backward Causation/Multiple You
http://www.***********************/bbs/message.php?page=3&showdate=5/10/07&messageid=345703&mpage=2

In a paper entitled, Evidence for wavelike energy transfer through quantum coherence in photosynthetic systems, he and his collaborators report the detection of “quantum beating” signals, coherent electronic oscillations in both donor and acceptor molecules, generated by light-induced energy excitations, like the ripples formed when stones are tossed into a pond.

Electronic spectroscopy measurements made on a femtosecond

(millionths of a billionth of a second) time-scale showed

these oscillations meeting and interfering constructively,

forming wavelike motions of energy (superposition states) that can explore all potential energy pathways

simultaneously

and reversibly,

meaning they can retreat from wrong pathways

with

no penalty.

from:

[link to www.*********************** http://www.***********************/bbs/message.php?page=1&messageid=371855&showdate=4/12/07&mpage=1 ]

great stuff, absolutly great work being done here.
Read in: Backward Causation/Multiple You http://www.***********************/bbs/message.php?page=3&showdate=5/10/07&messageid=345703&mpage=2
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Ummite Physics and Metaphysics
"The Essential Texts"


THE CONCEPT OF IBOZOO UU


The WAAM which we know is a BOUND SET (AYUU) or NETWORK Of IBOZOO UU
It is necessary to give you the most faithful representation possible of the true nature of the IBOZOO UU, which has nothing to do with MATHEMATICAL POINT, nor with a PARTICLE, nor with a QUANTUM of energy according to Earth conceptions. You must thus rid your mind of familiar images such as the POINT and linear DIMENSION.

If you have a mathematical background you know the concept of HYPERSHERE in N SPACES.
But you can see that this system of reference was selected arbitrarily within Euclidean Space which you imagined. It is very important that you see the difference compared to the IBOZOO UU.

It is not possible to choose a system of reference within the IBOZOO UU itself. Such a system of reference must be in relation to another IBOZOO UU, arbitrarily selected. (Thus in figure 11, if we suppose two IBOZOO UU (P) and (H), it would be nonsense to refer to the cosines cos(Alpha) cos(Beta) cos(Gamma) that the OAWOO UU forms with an ideal trihedron whose origin would be the " CENTER " of the HYPERSPHERE H.

Thus we can to only refer to the angle Theta IOAWOO that Ur of H forms with the OAWOO (RADIUS VECTOR) Ua of P.

It is precisely this IOAWOO Theta (ANGLE - DIMENSION) that bestows all the exceptional qualities on the IBOZOO UU.

It will be necessary as of now that you make a mental effort to carry out a psychological shift so that each time in physics that we speak of MAGNITUDE, the image of a SCALAR does not spring into your conscience, instead of the IOAWOO (ANGLE that the hypothetical radius vectors of two IBOZOO UU form between them).

It is nonsense TO ISOLATE, in an effort of mental abstraction, an IBOZOO UU in order to study it. We COULD EXPRESS it , by translating the POSTULATE known to our physicists: AN ISOLATED IBOZOO UU DOES NOT EXIST.

That this postulate violates the traditional proposals of what Earth people call MATHEMATICAL SET THEORY. Since if I belongs to W, element I (IBOZOO UU) belongs to the set W (WAAM), the isolated element I is:


I = Æ (an IBOZOO UU CONSIDERED AS A SET IS EMPTY)


We will explain a little to the OEMII unfamiliar with mathematics: naturally an IBOZOO UU is not " VISIBLE ", even using the most sophisticated laboratory instruments imaginable.
You can however object: How the scientists of UMMO know that this entity exists if they cannot detect it? The use of the word " detect " is inappropriate here. If we managed to deduce the existence of the IBOZOO UU, it is because the physical model worked out by its supposed existence answers all explanations and problems regarding the behaviour of Matter and Energy and, what is even more important: it offers a plausible explanation of extrasensory phenomena and telepathic communications through the BUUWEE BIAEEI (HUMAN COLLECTIVE SPIRIT).

Though such entities are not visible, for the purposes of comprehension, one could represent the WAAM as an immense network of small spheres (D59_FG12), each one of them being an IBOZOO UU.

They are each of a different colour, but inside a set of colours we could select all those that differ by a shade of the same colour; a different shade of green, for example).

http://www.ummo-sciences.org/en/D59-12.gif
D59_FG12

From this metaphor (coloured spheres), we can say that that the set of IBOZOO UU are differentiated not only by the angle IOAWOO, but also by their respective OAWOO (radius vectors) which they form with one of the IBOZOO UU taken as a reference, but whose field of rotation is the HYPERPLANE H (since we cannot draw a hyperplane, we will suppose in the D59_FG13 that it is about a meridian plan P (NdR: sketch missing) .

The IBOZOO UU whose radius vectors turn in another meridian plane are codified by another colour. Orange for example; D59_FG13 (missing figure)... (NdR: we found the Spanish translation of this somewhat sibylline paragraph; we nevertheless reproduced it here as is)

If we select, as we said to you, all the IBOZOO UU that exist in the WAAM to which we attributed the colour green, we would observe that, ordered mathematically, they would form an OXOOIAEE (chain of IBOZOO UU):

http://www.ummo-sciences.org/en/D59-14.gif
D59_FG14

In other words: having considered the IU belonging to W (subset of W), we can establish a one-to-one mapping between these IBOZOO UU of the OXOIAEE (CHAINS IN the SHAPE Of RINGS) and the infine number of angles which a radius vector can describe in a plane.

It is not that such IBOZOO UU form an endless chain in the WAAM and are topologically located in an ordered series. NO, it is our senses, as we will explain further, that carry out this task of ordering. (a Earth example will help you better understand: when you evaluate the amount of money in a bank account, you can represent the dollars, pounds sterling or pesos in an order, so that you can count them. But this ordering, you know that it is an illusion).

The immediate components of this chain D and P differ between them as the infinitesimal angle d phi (in figure D59_FG14, we have exaggerated the magnitude of d phi for purposes of comprehension).


http://www.ummo-sciences.org/en/a005.htm
Viewed thusly, the IBOZOO UU could be interpreted as a closed multidimensional space, and you would start again to imagine it having its points, lines, planess, hyperplanes, immersed volumes and hypervolumes. Nothing is further from the real concept of the IBOZOO UU. When we refer, within the IBOZOO UU, to an OAWOO (AXIS) and its orientation, it is clear that such an orientation does not make geometrical sense without a frame of reference.

Thus when one of you pictures a line in space, it must be defined in terms of a system of axes (which you call Cartesian) so that the line is defined by its modulus (expressed by six sides of the axes) and by the cosines with the axes: Cos(Alpha), Cos(Beta) and Cos(Gamma)




D59_FG11



http://www.ummo-sciences.org/en/D59-11.gif

[cheeb]

Are you seriously implying that the entire science of epigenetics is "Lamarckian"? That's purely outrageous, but I'm sure you know that.

I would imagine your choice of study and vocation has helped to shape your bias to certain information. Nothing wrong with that, it's just something to work through.

Yes i am
No i dont
No it hasn't
No there ain't
Is it really.

Look, lots of disciplines and sciences are built on shaky foundations

The whole field of psychology is based on Freuds analysing less than 70 repressed Vienesse women

The whole ecological debate is based on humans causing global warming not much opposition to that
but as seen from above pschoplankton are responsable for O2 and methane emissions
and the sun is the ultimate source of all energy on this planet

Funny how Mars is experiencing global warming at the moment (ice caps melting etc)

Theology- theres a lot of it about

3 different religions
All with one foundation on one man who was just about to chop up his son and burn him because his god loved the smell of offerings and testing people
in the extreme

C'mon man, we're better than that

I disagree with you on this one point (epigenetics) its a tiny thing

On your anarchy view ,I wish i wrote that

Surely its all about

people who know how to think, rather than
people who are told what to think

An exchange of ideas has got to be a good thing
I'm open to them all

If i take them on board 'fine
If i through them into the sea ,fine

We have got to learn off each other or whats the point being here set in stone

see you later.

[alchemy]

Bruce Lipton is a quack. While I have never come across anything in epigenetics that believes you can alter your genes by using your mind. That's just nonsense.

[cheeb]

Bruce Lipton is a quack. While I have never come across anything in epigenetics that believes you can alter your genes by using your mind. That's just nonsense.

Yes but he makes a lovely cup of cold tea,

[adramelech]

I completely agree with most of what you said cheeb. However, when you're dealing with things like your views on epigenetics, you are simply incorrect.

To quote:

"The idea of passing on to offspring characteristics that were acquired during an organism's lifetime is called Lamarckian. This view is inconsistent with modern genetics. Epigenetic inheritance is thought to be Lamarckian, by some, but this is not widely accepted by evolutionary biologists. Epigenetics itself is the study of various gene functions arising from the same gene in different environments. The same gene is passed on to offspring, and the environment determines its expression, so this process still fails to be Lamarckian."

Bruce Lipton is a quack. While I have never come across anything in epigenetics that believes you can alter your genes by using your mind. That's just nonsense.

Not "using the mind" like in some 50s sci-fi pulp serial, but applying it by changing our perception of the environment. It's a simple concept for a greatly complex topic.

http://discovermagazine.com/2006/nov/cover

"Epigenetics is proving we have some responsibility for the integrity of our genome...Before, genes predetermined outcomes. Now everything we do...can affect our gene expression and that of future generations. Epigenetics introduces the concept of free will into our idea of genetics."

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I think, therefore you are.
oh!

How nice of you!


Vertigo - Olivia Lewis



Genre/Lang. : World

(Eurovision 2007 :: Malta)

You're spinning me round
And you're holding me down
Loving you gives me vertigo
I'm losing my ground
Giving in to your heart
Kissing you gives me vertigo

And I'm lost, then I'm found
And I run, then I hide
And I turn, you're not there
I say yes, you say no
Loving you gives me vertigo

And I give, but you take (And I'm lost, then I'm found)
I made one big mistake (And I run, then I hide)
Gave you all, A to Z (And I turn, you're not there)
Then you came, now you go
Loving you gives me vertigo

You're lifting me high
Then you're taking me low
It's feeling like I'm getting vertigo
You colour me blue
Turn my passion to red
It's feeling like I've become indigo

And I give, but you take (And I'm lost, then I'm found)
I made one big mistake (And I run, then I hide)
Gave you all, A to Z (And I turn, you're not there)
Then you came, now you go
Loving you gives me vertigo

Am I crazy? Could it be maybe
Solo is the way to go?

And I'm lost, then I'm found
And I run, then I hide
And I turn, you're not there
I say yes, you say no
Loving you gives me vertigo

And I give, but you take (And I'm lost, then I'm found)
I made one big mistake (And I run, then I hide)
Gave you all, A to Z (And I turn, you're not there)
Then you came, now you go
Loving you gives me vertigo





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[cheeb]

yes ive posted before on evolution ,and i have said that in this point in history that we can halt it ,turn it on its head if you will

We have the capability to become an empathitic society
the pythagorean golden mean ,

But then has the spotlight of history just settled on us for a breif moment ,
or are we living in a moment of tumultious events

i like to think of the chinese blessing/curse-

may you live in interesting times