Ian Crane on Red Ice discussing Rik Clay 11/9

[daveybpl]

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/09sep/RICR-080911.php

'We have Ian Crane back on the program for a two-hour special to discuss the passing of Rik Clay, Integration, Information, Awakening, Spirituality, Conspiracy and much more. We begin to discuss Rik Clay, we talk about what we so far know happened to him and how he passed away. We talk about the rumors of Rik being murdered, we talk about paranoia and premature conclusions in the "conspiracy movement". We move on to discuss the importance of a careful approach to esoteric, occult and conspiratorial subject matters and the important of integration of knowledge about the conspiracy as well as the spiritual side to all of this. Topics discussed: Transpersonal State, Awakening Process, Change, Research, Internet, Communication, Soul Returning, Healthy Balance, Messiah Complex, Midlife Opportunity, Drugs, Shamanic Journey, Alcohol, Spiritual Entities, Temporary possession, Geopolitics, The Journey vs. Speed, Gurdjieff, Terrence McKenna, Time wave Zero, Jose Arguelles, 2012, Jeff Stray, Destruction of Knowledge, Christianity, Renaissance and much more.'

[91181]

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/09sep/RICR-080911.php

'We have Ian Crane back on the program for a two-hour special to discuss the passing of Rik Clay, Integration, Information, Awakening, Spirituality, Conspiracy and much more. We begin to discuss Rik Clay, we talk about what we so far know happened to him and how he passed away. We talk about the rumors of Rik being murdered, we talk about paranoia and premature conclusions in the "conspiracy movement". We move on to discuss the importance of a careful approach to esoteric, occult and conspiratorial subject matters and the important of integration of knowledge about the conspiracy as well as the spiritual side to all of this. Topics discussed: Transpersonal State, Awakening Process, Change, Research, Internet, Communication, Soul Returning, Healthy Balance, Messiah Complex, Midlife Opportunity, Drugs, Shamanic Journey, Alcohol, Spiritual Entities, Temporary possession, Geopolitics, The Journey vs. Speed, Gurdjieff, Terrence McKenna, Time wave Zero, Jose Arguelles, 2012, Jeff Stray, Destruction of Knowledge, Christianity, Renaissance and much more.'

Thanks..will have a listen ...

[ericdubay]

Wow, Henrik is weirding me out. He's calling my view (Rik was murdered) paranoid and unfounded. I say the idea that Rik deleted his own blog and killed himself is unfounded. Man, I'm listening right now and Henrik's explanation is insulting my intelligence/intuition.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[zeptepi]

Has Ian or Henrik been in touch with Rik's family?
If not, isn't this just speculation too?
Will have a listen to the show now, cheers.

[skyver]

Wow, Henrik is weirding me out. He's calling my view (Rik was murdered) paranoid and unfounded. I say the idea that Rik deleted his own blog and killed himself is unfounded. Man, I'm listening right now and Henrik's explanation is insulting my intelligence/intuition.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com


I think there is something more to this as well. Ok, lets say we are being paranoid & that Rik has committed suicide, Would it not be better for us to be vigilant & keep an open mind as to what happened? remember, this is how they get away with things. People assuming that we are paranoid is one of the best forms of protection they have. Surely people can understand why we think foul play to be the case? Look at William Cooper! in fact we could do a roll call of all the truthseekers over the years to have been "suicided" & wierd "accidents". This roll call would open your eyes....

[frankanne]

I didn't like listening to those two, Henrik and Ian Crane, talking about us and Rik. Henrik actually accused us of being like 'hovering vultures'.

Henrik could find nothing strange in Rik being upbeat, enthusiastic, promising more insights soon, one day - the day of his Red Ice interview - and then a few hours later, pulling down his blog and going underground. Henrik finds that totally understandable?

Ian Crane spoke about people jumbling up the bigger picture by 'dumping' thousands of irrelevent puzzle pieces on top of important ones . That researchers should only put out there stuff that they KNOW to be facts, because otherwise there will be like thousands of puzzle pieces that people will find it impossible to put together. He seemed to be accusing Rik of muddling up the bigger picture by 'dumping pieces' and putting stuff out there that had not been corroborated and verified.

He said that Rik didn't integrate the esoteric/occult, with our 3d world. I think Rik did.

Henrik and Ian then spoke about the danger of delving into the occult. I tend to agree with this one.

They also spoke about how many people go through a 'God complex' and that this was part of the 'awakening' for some. They spoke about David Icke and his turquoise days, Shayler who says he is the reincarnated Messiah, etc. They said that in 'indigenous' populations what is seen as a 'mid-life cirsis' is seen as a spiritual awakening and that this is encouraged and nurtured and seen as a necessary spirtual growth and that it shouldn't be 'suppressed'.

Now that's an important point that they made. About 'suppression'. If they both agree that a spiritual journey involves stuff that is 'sneered' at by western society and that it is important that nothing is 'suppressed', then why are they trying to suppress us with their 'hovering vultures', 'paranoid' and other general negative labels?

Anaother point is that later on in the interview, Ian speaks quite a lot about the elite, referring to them as 'those who believe themselves to be the rightful rulers'. He says that they have treated humanity very badly, have done some very bad things to us all. He said that what was seen as 'man's inhumanity to man' was nothing of the kind, but rather the elite's inhumanity to man, treating us as 'expendable' and 'collateral'.

So how does Ian's belief that the elite do very bad things to us, yet he still holds the belief that it is paranoid to think that the elite would kill someone?

His views and beliefs do not tally, do they? Or am I missing something?

They also spoke as thought they KNEW that Rik had committed suicide. How did they know this? From the email sent by someone saying she was Rik's mother? The email could have been written by anyone. The email wasn't even sent to them directly, through third and fourth parties. So how do they KNOW that Rik committed suicide? Do they know something that we don't? And if so, why attack us for being suspicious and thinking that Rik was murdered?

That interview has given me a bad feeling about those two.

Anyone got any views on it all?

[ericdubay]

Once again, I agree with everything Frankanne has to say.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[planetsadhana]

I think the thing is nobody really does know what happened, my own thoughts on the whole thing are similar to what Henrik and Ian were saying but that does not make it wrong to suspect foul play and i think to descibe people as vultures was perhaps the wrong turn of phase,

The majority of people are speaking from the heart and not trying to censor their own thought process to come to the truth

[skyver]

Well (Frank Anne/Eric Dubay) your both spot on in my opinion. Unless Rik had some personal issues which we wouldn't know about but the fact remains:

Why was his blog pulled? As someone already pointed out, who would close down a website/blog before taking their life? If I was that stressed out, to the point of taking my life, the last thing I would do is take my blog down. I'm afraid this will be swept under the carpet out of "respect". Oh & if anyone things that we are being disrespectful, it is in fact the opposite. I haven't listened to this interview yet but will do so now.

[synergy777]

frankanne spot on.

to be frank, if these older/wiser researchers, view us amateurs/forum posters with utter contempt, unless they want subscriptions or have books/dvds to sell. then they act all nice to us. this conspiracy movement suffers from snobbery, and has many people with god complexes eg shayler. in fact i think most researchers are either elite disinfo, or have elite sources, who give them false info in order to discredit them.

take their research and then add your own info/analysis, seek the truth for yourself, do not follow blindly.

rik was one of us, a regular guy who sought understanding/truth. he gave his info freely, unlike some others.

to be frank, alot of these researchers just peddle the same stuff, they just rehash it, stylise it and act like they know it all. they don't give us anything new, they don't develop their data. in all the years i have read this stuff, progress has been rather slow for these chaps and these chaps have money, links, resources to do this professionally, and what have they done, progress is too slow.

is our progress being controlled?

thats why i decided to do my own, search on my own, using their data and input from other forum users, who are like me, eg regular people.

i think rik did a great job, he gave insight and presented his stuff in a very illustrative manner, i wish i could write and explain things like he did, he is a true inspiration to me.

[josephmalkin]

I have been lurking in these Rik Clay related threads since the day that I discovered that the Cosmic Mind blog had been taken off line. I was very concerned when Rik suddenly closed down his blog and was relieved to find others here who were also following Rik's work and shared my concern for his welfare.

Back in June I had a series of “shamanistic visions” surrounding 2012 and the London Olympics and I was blessed to discover “The Cosmic Mind” through a Google search. It was an incredible relief to find someone else who was following this same path, and his work offered some much needed mental stability during a rather dark period of my own. I will confess that I never shared any sort of correspondence with Rik. After his blog went dark I did consider contacting him through Facebook. However after reading Nugget's(Justin Stephens) posts it appeared that Rik was taking a much needed break and needed to step back from the mouth of the abyss for a little while. Obviously I was shocked and saddened to hear the news of Rik's passing and I am still trying to reconcile my feelings on the matter.

Now on to the reasons for my post (finally eh?).

After hearing about Rik's passing, I did contact Jill Clay (Rik's mother) and received the following response. I realize that by making this my first post that my comments will be automatically labeled by some as disinformation and my credibility will be questioned. However for those of you who are willing to take a small leap of faith, maybe this will provide some of the answers you are looking for.

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Re: Rik

The answer is that Rik did make the decision to take his own life - it was very peaceful. This is a decision I now totally respect and understand.

I guess the answer to why? is that he felt his work here was done - he was on a mission to heal himself and the world and found his own peace and was ready to move on.

Please keep spreading Riks overall message of free thinking love, peace and community and his light will continue to shine.

I am very proud to have had a Son with such a loving light and I know something beautiful will now come of this.

Hope that helps

Jill

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As for the controversy surrounding his suicide, and the suggestions that he was murdered, I think some of you need to step back and gain some perspective here. Once again, I believe that a healthy dose of skepticism is a good thing, and I feel that we should all make a habit of questioning our perceived reality. However, if one takes the time to read the comments posted on Rik's Facebook tribute page and couple that with what has been posted in the various threads here, it should be evident that this was a case of too much gnosis too soon and there was no foul play involved. The lack of any “official” postings by Rik's family should also not come as a surprise either. Their silence should be totally understandable when you consider that they may feel that the material discussed here may have contributed to Rik's mental issues and his eventual suicide. Even if they were to post something here, it is obvious that some of you will never be satisfied and have already made conclusions in your own mind.

From my perspective I can totally understand how Rik's research could have caused some mental instability. I don't presume to speak for how Rik was feeling, but for myself the prospect of a major event during the 2012 Olympics is MY REALITY. When I tuck my children into their beds at night, I do so with the belief that something big is brewing and that our cushy little suburban existence is about to be turned on it's ear. Luckily, I have found ways to reconcile this in my own mind. It's a shame that Rik couldn't. I am sure we will miss his knowledge and wisdom in the days and months to come.

[cruise4]

I just heard Ian Crane talk about the Wogan Show with Icke as 'Not his finest hour'. I have to disagree with that... to retain personal dignity under those conditions and in that state was an achievement of note... and as IC did point out... a remarkable lesson to all in dealing with such issues.

[synergy777]

its hard going through the waking process, i have been through the intial stages. mine came from lucid reams, precog dreams etc.

i posted this before, i will look for the post and repost it, it juan de la cruz/john of the cross. its called the dark night of the soul, the awakening/gnosis/red pill.

The Dark Night of the Soul is the Gift of Illumination in Higher Consciousness
Dr. Darryl Pokea
© All Rights Reserved
http://www.drpokea.com/darknightsoul.html

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/john_cross/dark_night.html
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/john_cross/dark_night.txt
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/john_cross/dark_night.toc.html
Dark Night of the Soul : Author: John of the Cross, St. (1542-1591)

http://www.themystic.org/dark-night/index.htm
Many seekers would encourage the dark night experience if they knew what it was. However, to one engaged in the dark night, suffering seems unending.

http://www.karmel.at/ics/john/dn.html



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_night_of_the_soul

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_John_of_the_Cross

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what rik went through is hard, i don't how i survived, but hopefully it was for a reason.

[synergy777]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Night_of_the_Soul
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/john_cross/dark_night.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_the_Cross
(juan de la cruz = john of the cross)

The term and metaphysicality of the phrase "dark night of the soul" are taken from the writings of the Spanish poet and Roman Catholic mystic Saint John of the Cross, a Carmelite priest in the 16th century. Dark Night of the Soul is the name of both a poem, and a commentary on that poem, and are among the Carmelite priest's most famous writings. They tell of his mystic development and the stages he went through on his quest for holiness.

The "dark night" could generally be described as a letting go of our ego's hold on the psyche, making room for change that can bring about a complete transformation of a person's way of defining his/her self and their relationship to God.

The interim period can be frightening, hence the perceived "darkness". In the Christian tradition, during the "dark night" one who has developed a strong prayer life and consistent devotion to God suddenly finds traditional prayer extremely difficult and unrewarding for an extended period of time.

The individual may feel as though God has suddenly abandoned them, or that their prayer life has collapsed.

Rather than being a negative event, the dark night is believed by mystics and others to be a blessing in disguise where the individual extends from a state of contemplative prayer to an inability to pray.

Particularly in Christianity, it is seen as a severe test of one's faith. The Dark Night comes in two phases:

a first "Night of the Senses,"

and a second "Night of the Spirit."

Bernadette Roberts, author of The Path to No-Self, What is Self and The Experience of No-Self states:

"My view of what some authors call the "unitive stage" is that it begins with the Dark Night of the Spirit, or the onset of the transformational process - when the larva enters the cocoon, so to speak. Up to this point, we are actively reforming ourselves, doing what we can to bring about an abiding union with the divine.

But at a certain point, when we have done all we can, the divine steps in and takes over.

The transforming process is a divine undoing and redoing that culminates in what is called the state of "transforming union" or "mystical marriage", considered to be the definitive state for the Christian contemplative.

In experience, the onset of this process is the descent of the cloud of unknowing, which, because his former light had gone out and left him in darkness, the contemplative initially interprets as the divine gone into hiding.

In modern terms, the descent of the cloud is actually the falling away of the ego-center, which leaves us looking into a dark hole, a void or empty space in ourselves.

Without the veil of the ego-center, we do not recognize the divine; it is not as we thought it should be. Seeing the divine, eye to eye is a reality that shatters our expectations of light and bliss. From here on we must feel our way in the dark, and the special eye that allows us to see in the dark opens up at this time."

(special eye = third eye)

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/ar...erior_man.html

Castle of the Interior Man

The mystical term for the seven steps of spiritual growth in which the soul ascends toward Divinity:

1. Through prayer and concentration on God;

2.prayer directed toward obtaining knowledge of the mystical significance of the manifested reality;

3. self-renunciation, or the so-called "dark night of the soul";

4. surrendering of personal will to God;

5. a state of union with Divinity in which the person's will and God's will becomes one;

6. a state of ecstasy in which the soul is filled with love and joy;

7. the mystical marriage with God, where the inner being enters heaven. A.G.H.

[musti]

doesn't anyone else think he might have committed suicide but was driven to it, so it was practically a murder?

so it's not either he committed suicide or he was murdered but both.

[runciter]

doesn't anyone else think he might have committed suicide but was driven to it, so it was practically a murder?

so it's not either he committed suicide or he was murdered but both.

my personal thoughts:

psy-op psy-op psy-op psy-op

9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11

find the truth and pass away

rik clay, r.i.p. clay

[kallista]

So Henrik gives US a ten minute lecture on the need for evidence in the conspiracy field, then when Ian Crane claims he gets all his information from "The Shamanic Realms" Henrik accepts it without question.

And this word Research everyone uses, it used to be called Reading.:rolleyes:

[kallista]

This is what Alan Watt said about Red Ice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osnMyHJxdyA


I have just noticed this on the etemenanki site:

http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/

Scroll down to Sep 12 "The truth about Jake Kotze." A regular contributor to Red Ice. That should be interesting.

I think a lot of these "Researchers" will be revealed for what they really are, frauds. Red Ice won't have on the one person, apart from Brian Gerrish, in the conspiracy movement who actually focus on real problems, Alan Watt, yet they have on all manner of crazies talking often at best total rubbish, but thats OK because it has been channelled from the fourth dimension. The presenter never really questions their information.

Has anyone considered that Rik Clay found out it was all a load of bullshit, and that may have been the reason for him taking his own life?

[musti]

Has anyone considered that Rik Clay found out it was all a load of bullshit, and that may have been the reason for him taking his own life?

well finding out it was all bs would be the best news imo. why would he take his own life, because his research turned out to be meaningless? i don't think his research was an ego booster for him so i can't see how demolition of his research would hurt him. if anything, i think he would be happy. if i somehow found out and was convinced that this was all rubbish, first i would be surprised how i was deceived but then i would be happy to say the least... i can't see someone committing suicide for this reason, but i guess it is not outright impossible.

[kallista]

I am specifically referring to 2012 Mayan prophecy end of the world channelled type stuff.
Alan Watt alleges that Red Ice Creations is MI6 funded. Red Ice seem to have a lot of people who promote this kind of stuff. I generally turn off after about ten minutes.

Why do people need these gurus to follow? Can't you do your own read... I mean research.

This is starting to remind me of the film "Cool Hand Luke"

[frankanne]

well finding out it was all bs would be the best news imo. why would he take his own life, because his research turned out to be meaningless? i don't think his research was an ego booster for him so i can't see how demolition of his research would hurt him. if anything, i think he would be happy. if i somehow found out and was convinced that this was all rubbish, first i would be surprised how i was deceived but then i would be happy to say the least... i can't see someone committing suicide for this reason, but i guess it is not outright impossible.

You are so right musti. Finding out that all of this is bullshit would be the most wonderful surprise that we could ever wish for. There's no way that anyone would want to top themselves, if they found out that the whole nasty agenda was a hoax. We would all be celebrating and cheering.

There's something not right with this whole thing. Sixfour? said that 9.11 was chosen by Rik's parents DELIBERATELY. They actually chose that date to scatter Rik's ashes, because they knew what it meant to him, so they chose that date deliberately, to bring positivity to that date.

That to me is a betrayal.

I find it so wrong that I can't put words to it.

Am I wrong and seeing things from a wrong perspective? I'm willing to listen to people's views, because I feel so strongly about this, that I need to get ideas from other people to get a more general perspective.

[frankanne]

I am specifically referring to 2012 Mayan prophecy end of the world channelled type stuff.
Alan Watt alleges that Red Ice Creations is MI6 funded. Red Ice seem to have a lot of people who promote this kind of stuff. I generally turn off after about ten minutes.

Why do people need these gurus to follow? Can't you do your own read... I mean research.

This is starting to remind me of the film "Cool Hand Luke"

It's not about following gurus. Rik wasn't a 'guru'. He was a young man, a wonderful human being, who was on the road to discovery, as we ALL are. THAT'S why I'm upset he has gone. NOT because he was a 'guru' or someone to follow. NO. He was a person who we all identified with. He was our brother, son, partner, friend, looking for truth, like we all are on this forum. He was just an ordinary bloke who was doing a great job in reading (I would say researching, but that appears to be a 'target word' for the elite to deride us. i.e. How can you be so presumptuous as to call what you do 'research'. i.e. 'research' is only done by special professors, and those with phd doctorates, etc.'. You know, those 'special elite', who are so superior to you common conspiracy theorists, who only READ and don't do RESEARCH).

Thanks a lot Kallista.

I am of the opinion that Rik did more RESEARCH than any fully paid up professor from some university that gets thousands of pounds worth of grants to tell us that '......... (insert any word here - it could be fluoride, chemotherapy, vaccines, medication) are good for us'.

Research doesn't HAVE to come from a government you know.

Research, true research is done for the love of it. Not for the payment of it.

I thought you would have known that kallista.

[astrochicken]

Cosmically, this is what we've been heading towards for thousands of years, it would have made more sense to top yourself on the 22nd of december 2012 (after a days reflection in case of a non-event).


Enjoy the oneness chief

[frankanne]

Cosmically, this is what we've been heading towards for thousands of years, it would have made more sense to top yourself on the 22nd of december 2012 (after a days reflection in case of a non-event).


Enjoy the oneness chief

Not sure what you are saying here astrochicken.

[kallista]

It's not about following gurus. Rik wasn't a 'guru'. He was a young man, a wonderful human being, who was on the road to discovery, as we ALL are. THAT'S why I'm upset he has gone. NOT because he was a 'guru' or someone to follow. NO. He was a person who we all identified with. He was our brother, son, partner, friend, looking for truth, like we all are on this forum. He was just an ordinary bloke who was doing a great job in reading (I would say researching, but that appears to be a 'target word' for the elite to deride us. i.e. How can you be so presumptuous as to call what you do 'research'. i.e. 'research' is only done by special professors, and those with phd doctorates, etc.'. You know, those 'special elite', who are so superior to you common conspiracy theorists, who only READ and don't do RESEARCH).

Thanks a lot Kallista.

I am of the opinion that Rik did more RESEARCH than any fully paid up professor from some university that gets thousands of pounds worth of grants to tell us that '......... (insert any word here - it could be fluoride, chemotherapy, vaccines, medication) are good for us'.

Research doesn't HAVE to come from a government you know.

Research, true research is done for the love of it. Not for the payment of it.

I thought you would have known that kallista.

I was actually being sarcastic/joking. I thought I had made that obvious. Of course I realise there is an agenda, i've realised that since my schooldays, and I wouldn't be on this forum otherwise.

What I am actually refering to is the date 2012, a date promoted by the cabal. If you check your history, The Mayans also had a prophecy that they would be conquered by another race so when Cortes arrived they mostly gave up straight away because they beleived it was predestined. i think we are being led down the same path.

Personally I cannot blindly accept channelled information as the truth. Rik acknowledge Ian Cranes information as his starting point, Cranes information has been derived from the shamanic realm as he so pompously put it on the Red ice show and Red Ice promotes a lot of these characters and has also banned the person who does not go into this type of thing, A. Watt. Watt suggests we concentrate on solutions to things we can change, and I agree.

I grew up within a Solar Cult, and my mother channelled information, it was called automatic writing back then, and I'm not sure it did her any good either.

Other realms are tricky places to be and unless you know exactly what you are doing then you can be easily decieved.
I did not suggest Rik was a guru either. I was refering to the general state of the conspiracy field, there are a lot of people like Crane who come from nowhere and claim to know what's going to happen because they have been in contact with higher spirits, something that some peolple seem to accept without question because they know nothing about it.
Crane came accross as quite arrogant and obviously wealthy and he is not the only one. M. Tsarion?

These people will hopefully soon be revealed as frauds, as I pointed out Goro Adachi is just about to do that with Jake Kotze, a man who promotes much the same agenda.

We are attracted to these characters because humans like mysterious stories, it's how catholisism has worked through the ages.
I no longer believe in my former religion, because I assesed the information at a later date and decided it was not true for me, something I still do today.

In my opinion you cannot remain static. theories are just that, they should be considered as everything should, but to blindly follow these people is stupid.

[astrochicken]

Not sure what you are saying here astrochicken.


Being so close to the end of the mayan calender and our wee blue planet and it's inhabitants hurling towards some cosmic event in the not too distant future.

Ie. If your a mayan endtimes kind of person, then there is something that the *baddies* know, have planned for and have kept (for thousands of years) secret from the sheeple.. after that length of time,secrecy, & deceit and behalf of those in charge (and we're talking a long time keeping secrets) .. it makes no sense to top yourself NOW.. as opposed to the day after the end of the calender in case of a non-event. (non-event as in "fuck... that was it!.. not even a hangover....)

I mean it's like getting all dressed up, going to the best restaurant, handing in your coat/hat, being escorted to the table, sitting down in a compfy chair, ordering your favourite meal, and then leaving when the waiter brings the soup.

Or if you're a musician, lugging all your gear to the gig, setting up the PA,hiding the cables, tuning the guitars, doing a soundcheck and then
thinking "ah fuck it" and leaving.

That said though, i'm sure <snare fill> THE END</end snare> will be more exciting that a bowl of soup and a gig.. but then again a full belly and some entertainment sounds pretty good to me too....but what do i know....




and Enjoy the Oneness

means just that.. no me, no you, , no them, no soup (well i suppose it could be a cosmic soup of sorts..)

[newspaceman]

A lot of these dodgers take too much ching. Trust me, I did too once. They pontificate over trivialities and it all sounds good until you actually listen to what they say - which is almost always nothing.

Crane should get his farter up here, I will teach him a lesson about shamanistic revelations - please bear in mind, he is not at bad at heart, just takes far too much nasal and believes his own shite, check his link from red ice, check the £5 disks he sells for all sorts of nonsense. A disk costs 20p

Listen to him sniffling, he has a habit - I have a hole in my nose, I know

Believe in yourselves, trust me on that - the majority of these "truth seekers" want only money. yours.

They say a lot but nothing to speak of

cheers

[hirschfelder]

there are a lot of people like Crane who come from nowhere and claim to know what's going to happen because they have been in contact with higher spirits

I think you're doing Crane a disservice there.

I was a bit surprised to hear him talk about "awakening" and "shamanism" and all that on the Red Ice show because he's usually very grounded and meat and two veg about the whole thing. From his presentations, you'd never suspect the guy was once bombing 'shrooms

Don't let you're perceptions of his 'spirituality' put you off. The material he actually presents in his lectures is very '5-sense' and straightforward

[hirschfelder]

Crane should get his farter up here, I will teach him a lesson about shamanistic revelations - please bear in mind, he is not at bad at heart, just takes far too much nasal and believes his own shite, check his link from red ice, check the £5 disks he sells for all sorts of nonsense. A disk costs 20p

So we dismiss anyone who makes a profit on their work now, do we?

Alan Watt sells his books for $80, paper costs just a few pence. And "Reality Check 2" will set you back $40!

At least Crane allows his "nonsense" to be viewed freely on YouTube

[newspaceman]

Yeah - actually I do dismiss anyone who puts a price on their work in this field.

Want me to elaborate on a massive Prince William/homeland/freemasonic dead-give-away in the Crane interview just given.

I can, for free. Now.

cheers

[hirschfelder]

Yeah - actually I do dismiss anyone who puts a price on their work in this field.

Really? Does Crane count? As I said, the disks he charges a fiver for are also free to view on Youtube

Who don't you dismiss?

Want me to elaborate on a massive Prince William/homeland/freemasonic dead-give-away in the Crane interview just given.

I can, for free. Now.

cheers

Yeah go on then, if you like

[newspaceman]

I take it that you also accept the nasal "revelations" ? sniffwhistle snif

Ps, Why use Alan Watt as a comparison, although I have not read him - two wrongs don't make a right.

cheers

[hirschfelder]

I take it that you also accept the nasal "revelations" ? sniffwhistle snif

Ps, Why use Alan Watt as a comparison, although I have not read him - two wrongs don't make a right.

cheers

I've never noticed that he sniffs a lot. All I've done is listen to one radio interview and seen 2 online lectures. Surely not every sniffer has a beak habit?

I mentioned Alan Watt 'cos he was brought up earlier as someone who could be trusted. It was a general reply, rather than one specific to you

[newspaceman]

So what, I can get eggs for free, but have to pay at the supermarket. Does not make the egg seller a non -exploiter.

As regards Crane, bear in mind Rik's theories, bear in mind Prince William, bear in mind the freemasonic western world's origins ( Scotland) and it's global aspirations.

Thu,s esoterically, when Crane talks of the trip from London to Edinburgh on a donkey, (section 2) think of Jeruselam, think of the new messiah, think of the true homeland.

I am not trying to be a prick - he is taking the piss

cheers

[hirschfelder]

So what, I can get eggs for free, but have to pay at the supermarket. Does not make the egg seller a non -exploiter.

Well, if the supermarket also offered them for free, then wouldn't that be ok? It's a strange old analogy you've got going there fella!

As regards Crane, bear in mind Rik's theories, bear in mind Prince William, bear in mind the freemasonic western world's origins ( Scotland) and it's global aspirations.

Thu,s esoterically, when Crane talks of the trip from London to Edinburgh on a donkey, (section 2) think of Jeruselam, think of the new messiah, think of the true homeland.

I am not trying to be a prick - he is taking the piss

cheers

Well spotted. There's something to chew on

[cruise4]

I knock out a very informative video from Ian Crane called Codex Alimentarius. Alan Watt appears to rub people up the wrong way at the drop of a hat. It's his own fault he's not on RICR, not the other way around. Personally I'm interested in both. After listening to scientists spout drivel all my life I'd rather listen to shroomers, and like hirschfelder, I was suprised.

[the littlest hobo]

I didn't like listening to those two, Henrik and Ian Crane, talking about us and Rik. Henrik actually accused us of being like 'hovering vultures'.

Henrik could find nothing strange in Rik being upbeat, enthusiastic, promising more insights soon, one day - the day of his Red Ice interview - and then a few hours later, pulling down his blog and going underground. Henrik finds that totally understandable?

Ian Crane spoke about people jumbling up the bigger picture by 'dumping' thousands of irrelevent puzzle pieces on top of important ones . That researchers should only put out there stuff that they KNOW to be facts, because otherwise there will be like thousands of puzzle pieces that people will find it impossible to put together. He seemed to be accusing Rik of muddling up the bigger picture by 'dumping pieces' and putting stuff out there that had not been corroborated and verified.

He said that Rik didn't integrate the esoteric/occult, with our 3d world. I think Rik did.

Henrik and Ian then spoke about the danger of delving into the occult. I tend to agree with this one.

They also spoke about how many people go through a 'God complex' and that this was part of the 'awakening' for some. They spoke about David Icke and his turquoise days, Shayler who says he is the reincarnated Messiah, etc. They said that in 'indigenous' populations what is seen as a 'mid-life cirsis' is seen as a spiritual awakening and that this is encouraged and nurtured and seen as a necessary spirtual growth and that it shouldn't be 'suppressed'.

Now that's an important point that they made. About 'suppression'. If they both agree that a spiritual journey involves stuff that is 'sneered' at by western society and that it is important that nothing is 'suppressed', then why are they trying to suppress us with their 'hovering vultures', 'paranoid' and other general negative labels?

Anaother point is that later on in the interview, Ian speaks quite a lot about the elite, referring to them as 'those who believe themselves to be the rightful rulers'. He says that they have treated humanity very badly, have done some very bad things to us all. He said that what was seen as 'man's inhumanity to man' was nothing of the kind, but rather the elite's inhumanity to man, treating us as 'expendable' and 'collateral'.

So how does Ian's belief that the elite do very bad things to us, yet he still holds the belief that it is paranoid to think that the elite would kill someone?

His views and beliefs do not tally, do they? Or am I missing something?

They also spoke as thought they KNEW that Rik had committed suicide. How did they know this? From the email sent by someone saying she was Rik's mother? The email could have been written by anyone. The email wasn't even sent to them directly, through third and fourth parties. So how do they KNOW that Rik committed suicide? Do they know something that we don't? And if so, why attack us for being suspicious and thinking that Rik was murdered?

That interview has given me a bad feeling about those two.

Anyone got any views on it all?

Absolutely well said, I couldn't have put it better myself. I think there was far too much emphasis on the claim that Rik chose to take his own life, maybe he did who knows but listening to that interview myself made me sick to the bone and angry, least of all even more suspicious of the whole thing. I am not usually one to jump to conclusions and to be honest I thought everyone was over-reacting with their concerns for Rik. Now I feel ashamed, guilty as well as gullible and naive for not thinking more of this situation.
It seemed to me the purpose of the interview was firstly to ridicule and shame anyone that questions what is being told about how Rik died and then to add insult to injury it goes on to discredit the work Rik Clay has done.

[newspaceman]

Yep, as I suggested, the best person to trust is yourself.

They feed you and then feed from you, it is almost a symbiotic/parasititc arrangemenrt - perhaps - veriably a new species.

Why mention a donkey, London (new Rome) Edinburgh (to be Rome)

Not being a prick but a pocket version book on 2012 from Crane

Please - some of these people are insulting your intelligence - and for the love of money; but some not...maybe...hopefully.

cheers

[ihaveadream]

I dont post much, but i wanted to add something:

I might be stating the obvious here, but there is something VERY fishy about this whole Rik Clay business. All is not as it seems.

I also do believe the claims that Red Ice is dis-info.

I get torn between the different schools of thought ... you know, on one hand, i dont truly know anything and anything could be possible ... i read a lot of graham hancok, and ive researched so much for so long, and i can honestly feel the power of the universe coursing through me, bringing my humble words to the screen .. i can feel the power of infinite love and positive synchronicity at play in my existence ... i do not dismiss anything, any thought or concept or idea, about our origins, and where we came from ... however, it is clear to ME that this new age deal is a psy-op ... to distract people from what needs to be done .... you know, the thoughts go so deep, and eventually all you can fall back on is the classic " i think therefore i am " as the only thing you can be sure of, but how can you even be sure of that ? really

i do have good reason to believe red ice is total disinfo ... and im not sure how they fit in with this Rik Clay issue yet , im still working through it all .... all i know ( and its not adding much to the debate, sorry ) , is that something very very odd is afoot here, and none of the threads of information come together to make any sense.

[melody]

Wow, Henrik is weirding me out. He's calling my view (Rik was murdered) paranoid and unfounded. I say the idea that Rik deleted his own blog and killed himself is unfounded. Man, I'm listening right now and Henrik's explanation is insulting my intelligence/intuition.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

I also appreciated what frankanne wrote. I've been a redicecreations subscriber for awhile and do enjoy the work as well as feeling that Henrik is an excellent interviewer. But Rik Clay's death really shook me - I'm still trying to understand why because my only contact was listening to those shows - but something is definitely not being told here. I was very offended and disappointed with the Ian Crane interview as well for all the reasons mentioned so far. It was just weird to hear Henrik get that heavy handed when he goes out of his way to stay neutral and open minded. His views are just that - his, and no different than other views. Neither Henrik nor Ian had any personal connection to Rik. Henrik had a couple of brief conversations before and after the interviews and Ian had one email exchange after meeting Rik at a Glastonbury talk. They don't know anything more than anyone else but have absolutely decided that this is unquestionably conscious suicide and scolding in a "know it all" way anyone who thinks differently. It's all very strange and after this last interview, I'm also getting a little weirded out with what's going on over there at red ice. My intuitive knowing is very practiced and reliable and I can't shake the feeling that something is very wrong...:(

[magnus]

There must be someone on this forum who can go to where Rik lived and passed away....talk to people etc......I live in Norway...so i can't.....but someone should i think...:)

[cruise4]

"i do have good reason to believe red ice is total disinfo"

Let's hear it then, I bet you don't...

As far as I can tell some people here are confused about that interview. Hendrik laid out an obvious ploy of waiting for facts and avoiding intrusion into the family during this time. Quite how you are reading some of that to imply Hendrik is a part of the 'dark side' is anyone's guess.

That's not to say something isn't off. But the reasons some of you have are just daft.

[ihaveadream]

"i do have good reason to believe red ice is total disinfo"

Let's hear it then, I bet you don't...

As far as I can tell some people here are confused about that interview. Hendrik laid out an obvious ploy of waiting for facts and avoiding intrusion into the family during this time. Quite how you are reading some of that to imply Hendrik is a part of the 'dark side' is anyone's guess.

That's not to say something isn't off. But the reasons some of you have are just daft.


I didnt say that the reason i had for believing Red Ice was dis-info was to do specifically with this interview in question did i ?

I am not actually prepared to say why i think what i do. Im sorry if that doesnt make for a very good discussion, but at this time it wouldnt be prudent to explain why.

I have been discussing it with a few people off here via pm

[thirdwave]

Red Ice are great.... I know a couple people who have got on for interviews and nothing fishy there.... AW was just pissed at being cut, but for fucks sake he was on the show for a whole year... which is most than many get...

here is a link to the thoughts of Red Ice on AWs attacks..

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=491440&postcount=154

[thirdwave]

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/09sep/RICR-080911.php

'We have Ian Crane back on the program for a two-hour special to discuss the passing of Rik Clay, Integration, Information, Awakening, Spirituality, Conspiracy and much more. We begin to discuss Rik Clay, we talk about what we so far know happened to him and how he passed away. We talk about the rumors of Rik being murdered, we talk about paranoia and premature conclusions in the "conspiracy movement". We move on to discuss the importance of a careful approach to esoteric, occult and conspiratorial subject matters and the important of integration of knowledge about the conspiracy as well as the spiritual side to all of this. Topics discussed: Transpersonal State, Awakening Process, Change, Research, Internet, Communication, Soul Returning, Healthy Balance, Messiah Complex, Midlife Opportunity, Drugs, Shamanic Journey, Alcohol, Spiritual Entities, Temporary possession, Geopolitics, The Journey vs. Speed, Gurdjieff, Terrence McKenna, Time wave Zero, Jose Arguelles, 2012, Jeff Stray, Destruction of Knowledge, Christianity, Renaissance and much more.'


cheers for the link..

[kallista]

Flippin' heck Thirdwave. Does Alan Watt owe you money or something?

[frankanne]

I was actually being sarcastic/joking. I thought I had made that obvious. Of course I realise there is an agenda, i've realised that since my schooldays, and I wouldn't be on this forum otherwise.

What I am actually refering to is the date 2012, a date promoted by the cabal. If you check your history, The Mayans also had a prophecy that they would be conquered by another race so when Cortes arrived they mostly gave up straight away because they beleived it was predestined. i think we are being led down the same path.

Personally I cannot blindly accept channelled information as the truth. Rik acknowledge Ian Cranes information as his starting point, Cranes information has been derived from the shamanic realm as he so pompously put it on the Red ice show and Red Ice promotes a lot of these characters and has also banned the person who does not go into this type of thing, A. Watt. Watt suggests we concentrate on solutions to things we can change, and I agree.

I grew up within a Solar Cult, and my mother channelled information, it was called automatic writing back then, and I'm not sure it did her any good either.

Other realms are tricky places to be and unless you know exactly what you are doing then you can be easily decieved.
I did not suggest Rik was a guru either. I was refering to the general state of the conspiracy field, there are a lot of people like Crane who come from nowhere and claim to know what's going to happen because they have been in contact with higher spirits, something that some peolple seem to accept without question because they know nothing about it.
Crane came accross as quite arrogant and obviously wealthy and he is not the only one. M. Tsarion?

These people will hopefully soon be revealed as frauds, as I pointed out Goro Adachi is just about to do that with Jake Kotze, a man who promotes much the same agenda.

We are attracted to these characters because humans like mysterious stories, it's how catholisism has worked through the ages.
I no longer believe in my former religion, because I assesed the information at a later date and decided it was not true for me, something I still do today.

In my opinion you cannot remain static. theories are just that, they should be considered as everything should, but to blindly follow these people is stupid.

Hi Kallista. Your post makes a lot of sense. I'm sorry I jumped in at the deep end and got the wrong end of the stick. It's a weakness of mine that I am working on. Sorry.

As for the 'channeled' stuff, yes I agree. I think we should be careful with the occult. I don't go there, myself. I would be suspicious of any spirits that try to communicate.

[kallista]

Don't worry I forgive you. ;)
It has troubled me too. The thing is that in a way Rik's suicide kind of negates his work. That's the thing that puzzles me.
If my mother said she respected my sister's right to kill herself (hypothetically) I would be extremely angry with her.
if you go to a better place when you do this then why are we not all there?

[thirdwave]

Flippin' heck Thirdwave. Does Alan Watt owe you money or something?

Why did he give you some??


No I have just taken it upon my self to be his worst nightmare... its like something I was born to do...

[kallista]

Why did he give you some??


No I have just taken it upon my self to be his worst nightmare... its like something I was born to do...

I shouldn't think he loses sleep over it.

[ihaveadream]

Red Ice are great.... I know a couple people who have got on for interviews and nothing fishy there.... AW was just pissed at being cut, but for fucks sake he was on the show for a whole year... which is most than many get...

here is a link to the thoughts of Red Ice on AWs attacks..

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=491440&postcount=154


So just because you know a few people who have "gotten on (red ice) for interviews " ... thats your evidence that nothing fishy is goinng on there ? im not sure that makes sense to me. how does that prove or disprove anything ?

And as for your taking it upon yourself to be Alan Watts worst nightmare ... i just find that a bizarre thing to say ... I thimk Red Ice are dis-info agents, and a part of something very bizarre and wrong, but im not going round claiming to have taken it upon myself to be their worst nightmares.

I honestly dont get where your coming from dude

[frankanne]

So just because you know a few people who have "gotten on (red ice) for interviews " ... thats your evidence that nothing fishy is goinng on there ? im not sure that makes sense to me. how does that prove or disprove anything ?

And as for your taking it upon yourself to be Alan Watts worst nightmare ... i just find that a bizarre thing to say ... I thimk Red Ice are dis-info agents, and a part of something very bizarre and wrong, but im not going round claiming to have taken it upon myself to be their worst nightmares.

I honestly dont get where your coming from dude

I feel that something isn't right with redice too. I noticed on the forums there are quite a few agents posting. You can tell by the techniques they use to suppress and 'quell the madness' as it were. i.e. tell everyone with an ounce of common sense that they are 'paranoid', 'vampirstic' has been used. And as we all heard Henrik say 'vultures'. Not nice. Also when you type in the word 'god', it changes to 'dog'.

Something not right with redice.

[daveybpl]

cheers for the link..


No worries,

When I posted the link I hadn't actually listened to the interview. I did though the other night and was completely unshocked. I was expecting the worst after reading some of the comments on the thread but I though Henrik made sense.

I don't post on the red ice forum so I don't know if there's agents posting.

But disinfo? Well I don't think so.

Watt saying they are funded by MI6 is just waffle IMO, just like when he said Icke was a Mason, all about publicity!

And yes I have listened to Watt and yes some of his stuff was interseting but I find his tone so so dull and I'm not into the doom and gloom vibe.

[thirdwave]

So just because you know a few people who have "gotten on (red ice) for interviews " ... thats your evidence that nothing fishy is goinng on there ? im not sure that makes sense to me. how does that prove or disprove anything ?

I did not say it proved it, I was not aware that some numb scull like AW can just make an unfounded illogical accusation and all of a sudden evidence has to be put forward to prove otherwise. What I have done is prove that the burk has used false info in the past while making accusations on others and have pointed out how strange the accusation is given that he was a regular on their show for a whole year (not really the actions of a station who wants to oppress his info now is it)

on top of that I have met one of the team there and know a couple people who have worked with them and from my perspective they are good guys.

You have a right to be suspicious and I have a right to think that AW is a bullshitter... and your point is pure paranoia.


And as for your taking it upon yourself to be Alan Watts worst nightmare ... i just find that a bizarre thing to say ... I thimk Red Ice are dis-info agents, and a part of something very bizarre and wrong, but im not going round claiming to have taken it upon myself to be their worst nightmares.

Well I was actually joking... But I it makes me laugh how many seem to think people should question Ickes works... and people should questions this and that persons claims... yet when it comes to Mr Watt and you question his claims it tends make things different.

I think its not Red Ice who need questioning, they interview many many people of all kids of info and you your self could get on for an interview if you had a book or website going... its people like AW who create these stroies that should be the ones being questioned.

don't ask ME for evidence, Ask HIM!

I honestly dont get where your coming from dude

I am not surprised...

[thirdwave]

No worries,

When I posted the link I hadn't actually listened to the interview. I did though the other night and was completely unshocked. I was expecting the worst after reading some of the comments on the thread but I though Henrik made sense.

I don't post on the red ice forum so I don't know if there's agents posting.

But disinfo? Well I don't think so.

Watt saying they are funded by MI6 is just waffle IMO, just like when he said Icke was a Mason, all about publicity!

And yes I have listened to Watt and yes some of his stuff was interseting but I find his tone so so dull and I'm not into the doom and gloom vibe.


pretty much how I see it..

[thirdwave]

I shouldn't think he loses sleep over it.

I doubt it.

[kweli]

Wow, Henrik is weirding me out. He's calling my view (Rik was murdered) paranoid and unfounded. I say the idea that Rik deleted his own blog and killed himself is unfounded. Man, I'm listening right now and Henrik's explanation is insulting my intelligence/intuition.
~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

Yes.. I totally agree, that's the way it left me feeling too.

I feel that something isn't right with redice too. I noticed on the forums there are quite a few agents posting. You can tell by the techniques they use to suppress and 'quell the madness' as it were. i.e. tell everyone with an ounce of common sense that they are 'paranoid', 'vampirstic' has been used. And as we all heard Henrik say 'vultures'. Not nice. Also when you type in the word 'god', it changes to 'dog'.

Something not right with redice.

I'm with you there Frankanne. I've had a deep mistrust of Redice for some time now, only made deeper by the way they've treated Rik's death.

Ok.. controversial I know, but I also believe Alan Watt is right in his accusations.

[thirdwave]

Yes.. I totally agree, that's the way it left me feeling too.



I'm with you there Frankanne. I've had a deep mistrust of Redice for some time now, only made deeper by the way they've treated Rik's death.

what a horrible and misleading thing to say.... learning more about you now.. I could give a very good description of you now but I wont get points over someone like you.

Ok.. controversial I know, but I also believe Alan Watt is right in his accusations.

more fool Watt for going on there show for a year lol.... funny how he just found out when they dropped him lol

[frankanne]

what a horrible and misleading thing to say.... learning more about you now.. I could give a very good description of you now but I wont get points over someone like you.



more fool Watt for going on there show for a year lol.... funny how he just found out when they dropped him lol

you are very good with delphi technique, aren't you thirdwave?

attack a poster on a personal level, rather than tackle the ISSUE.

You are transparent.

[frankanne]

Yes.. I totally agree, that's the way it left me feeling too.



I'm with you there Frankanne. I've had a deep mistrust of Redice for some time now, only made deeper by the way they've treated Rik's death.

Ok.. controversial I know, but I also believe Alan Watt is right in his accusations.

hey kweli, what's a bit of controversy on the David Icke forums? lol. It comes with the territory.

And we can certainly do without the personal insults of the like of thirdwave.

What is it with that poster?

[thirdwave]

you are very good with delphi technique, aren't you thirdwave?

attack a poster on a personal level, rather than tackle the ISSUE.

You are transparent.

Oh please, you could not see through a bloody window.

[ericdubay]

you are very good with delphi technique, aren't you thirdwave?

attack a poster on a personal level, rather than tackle the ISSUE.

You are transparent.

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. Tell her what she's won, Vanna. An all expense intuitive knowing of Masons on message boards!

You're gonna need another screen name soon Thirdwave. You and Scooby dooby SixFour are just 3 peas in a pod huh?

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[thirdwave]

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. Tell her what she's won, Vanna. An all expense intuitive knowing of Masons on message boards!

You're gonna need another screen name soon Thirdwave. You and Scooby dooby SixFour are just 3 peas in a pod huh?

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

:confused:

[hirschfelder]

more fool Watt for going on there show for a year lol.... funny how he just found out when they dropped him lol

I was just gonna ask this

Did Watt find out Red Ice were funded by Mi6 before or after he was dropped?

Don't call me a Mason, I'm just wondering

[kweli]

I was just gonna ask this

Did Watt find out Red Ice were funded by Mi6 before or after he was dropped?

Don't call me a Mason, I'm just wondering

I don't know, but does it it really matter? Other researchers use different avenues to get their work out there, knowing full well that they're infilitrated by MI5/6 CIA etc. For example: David Icke has used the MSM on many occasions to get his message across despite being aware (& stating) that they're controlled by tptb; nothing wrong with that is there?

[kweli]

you are very good with delphi technique, aren't you thirdwave?

attack a poster on a personal level, rather than tackle the ISSUE.

You are transparent.

I'm so glad others can see what's going on here. I shan't be rising to his bait though frankanne; it would be a shame to see this thread dumped in the rant room like so many others that TW has ruined with his vileness.

[frankanne]

I'm so glad others can see what's going on here. I shan't be rising to his bait though frankanne; it would be a shame to see this thread dumped in the rant room like so many others that TW has ruined with his vileness.

Good for you kweli. Maybe we should use the 'ignore' button?

[thirdwave]

I was just gonna ask this

Did Watt find out Red Ice were funded by Mi6 before or after he was dropped?

Don't call me a Mason, I'm just wondering

After, (Kweli is being misleading again as it was not just an accusation aimed at how they where funded, he was implying that they are working with them to promote disinfo) he used to have a regular show with them for a year.... he was then told he was not wanted any more and he came out with all this bullshit about not going with this ETE thing and that Red Ice and Tsarion had plotted against him... and that Red Ice were funded by the elite and all that bullshit...

something about a DVD as well that they wanted him to do but changed their mind because he would not go with the "new age type stuff".... when they would have known perfectly well what info Watt does so why even bother asking?

they have since said that Watt was making it up.

[kweli]

It's a long read, but for anyone that's interested, you may find some interesting discussion in this thread:

http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1897

[lizzy]

After, (Kweli is being misleading again as it was not just an accusation aimed at how they where funded, he was implying that they are working with them to promote disinfo) he used to have a regular show with them for a year.... he was then told he was not wanted any more and he came out with all this bullshit about not going with this ETE thing and that Red Ice and Tsarion had plotted against him... and that Red Ice were funded by the elite and all that bullshit...

something about a DVD as well that they wanted him to do but changed their mind because he would not go with the "new age type stuff".... when they would have known perfectly well what info Watt does so why even bother asking?

they have since said that Watt was making it up.


However, it's all true is'nt it thirdway /wave.!!!

Watt's version is the truth.

BTW, since redice has come under new ownership, ( MI5) the alien / reppie agenda that was once laughed at, is now taken seriously, LOL .....which proves Watt's story even more.

[lizzy]

It's a long read, but for anyone that's interested, you may find some interesting discussion in this thread:

http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1897

Thanks for the link kweli.:D ( we have friends here, LOL :cool: )

[kallista]

Thanks for the link kweli.:D ( we have friends here, LOL :cool: )

Yes we do, it seems some of us are breaking away now from the more ridiculous elements. Thank goodness! :)

[thirdwave]

However, it's all true is'nt it thirdway /wave.!!!

Watt's version is the truth.

BTW, since redice has come under new ownership, ( MI5) the alien / reppie agenda that was once laughed at, is now taken seriously, LOL .....which proves Watt's story even more.


But I have presented lots of Watts versions and they are not truth... so you are showing staggering faith on this one. LOL

[kallista]

Maybe you should do what uncle phil suggests in your sig.

[kweli]

Thanks for the link kweli.:D ( we have friends here, LOL :cool: )

Indeed Liz.. seems a lot more people are waking up and deflecting from the new age swamp. ;)

[melody]

I was relistening to Henrik’s feelings and statement to Rik’s death before the interview with Ian, and following are some things he said, granted not in entirety so to be fair one would need to listen to the whole thing, but I was struck with(perhaps not exactly transcribed but very close):

“So in a nutshell, what Rik’s friends relayed to me (apparently through a message that Henrik will share in entirety with us when he get’s the full permission) is that back in June, one evening under stress and extreme over thinking (Henrik placed emphasis on this last idea) he did lose his mind, and he wasn’t ready to plunge into the depths that he did. And for three months after this event, he apparently was very far removed from himself and on August the 28th, Rik decided to take his own life. “

A bit further on Henrik continues “…one needs to be careful not to be drawn down and into the abyss as well…It’s important to recognize that esoteric or occult information is a powerful thing, that conspiracy research is a powerful subject and there have been people in the past that have been losing their minds on different levels because they can’t handle it. One should never be afraid of course to investigate, to believe or have curiosity or an inquisitive mind about these things, but there needs to be respect for the subject matter as well, a healthy kind of attachment from it all, and a healthy balance. One also needs to live one’s life, and having a laugh, having a few drinks with some friends or whatever, go out into nature, play, be creative, draw and have some fun, laugh, you know, disconnect from it all for awhile. It’s vital for your mental health… for your personal balance….sitting in front of the black screen to the world as it were…with that shaping your world views solely through the information that is gained there (computer screen) that might not be so great all the time for you…"

So essentially the official story seems to be that Rik was emersed in waters too deep and drowned…went crazy from letting too much information of a powerful kind get downloaded too fast…and he went crazy and committed suicide. I don’t doubt he committed suicide but I can’t help but feel the reigns of mind control guiding us towards remembering just how dangerous delving into all this stuff is -- you could lose your mind!

Hmmm…this is triggering lots of stuff for me…which I can’t continue going into now because even though I practice an occult discipline for a living and consider myself a researcher into esoteric, occult and conspiracy matters, luckily for me I am stable enough not to have gone crazy yet so that I can also function in my very busy role as single mother to three children, one with Down Syndrome, with all of life’s stresses and pressures…away from the computer….:eek:

[thirdwave]

Maybe you should do what uncle phil suggests in your sig.


No maybe's, you are actually saying something of value for once!

but i very much doubt you have the foggiest of what he is talking about..

[thirdwave]

I was relistening to Henrik’s feelings and statement to Rik’s death before the interview with Ian, and following are some things he said, granted not in entirety so to be fair one would need to listen to the whole thing, but I was struck with(perhaps not exactly transcribed but very close):

“So in a nutshell, what Rik’s friends relayed to me (apparently through a message that Henrik will share in entirety with us when he get’s the full permission) is that back in June, one evening under stress and extreme over thinking (Henrik placed emphasis on this last idea) he did lose his mind, and he wasn’t ready to plunge into the depths that he did. And for three months after this event, he apparently was very far removed from himself and on August the 28th, Rik decided to take his own life. “

A bit further on Henrik continues “…one needs to be careful not to be drawn down and into the abyss as well…It’s important to recognize that esoteric or occult information is a powerful thing, that conspiracy research is a powerful subject and there have been people in the past that have been losing their minds on different levels because they can’t handle it. One should never be afraid of course to investigate, to believe or have curiosity or an inquisitive mind about these things, but there needs to be respect for the subject matter as well, a healthy kind of attachment from it all, and a healthy balance. One also needs to live one’s life, and having a laugh, having a few drinks with some friends or whatever, go out into nature, play, be creative, draw and have some fun, laugh, you know, disconnect from it all for awhile. It’s vital for your mental health… for your personal balance….sitting in front of the black screen to the world as it were…with that shaping your world views solely through the information that is gained there (computer screen) that might not be so great all the time for you…"

So essentially the official story seems to be that Rik was emersed in waters too deep and drowned…went crazy from letting too much information of a powerful kind get downloaded too fast…and he went crazy and committed suicide. I don’t doubt he committed suicide but I can’t help but feel the reigns of mind control guiding us towards remembering just how dangerous delving into all this stuff is -- you could lose your mind!

Hmmm…this is triggering lots of stuff for me…which I can’t continue going into now because even though I practice an occult discipline for a living and consider myself a researcher into esoteric, occult and conspiracy matters, luckily for me I am stable enough not to have gone crazy yet so that I can also function in my very busy role as single mother to three children, one with Down Syndrome, with all of life’s stresses and pressures…away from the computer….:eek:

thanks for posting that, and very well put.

[eternal_spirit]

Well to me Henrik is talking nonsense. Rik was known as a happy, nice upbeat etc person. Who had many other things going on in his life, Point- he had much to live for! He wasn't some loner researcher (who would be far more likely to fit Henrik's analogy)

[kallista]

No maybe's, you are actually saying something of value for once!

but i very much doubt you have the foggiest of what he is talking about..

i own and have read all of Hine's work, along with many other writers of the occult. It is you that has failed to comprehend. As i stated you are an armchair know nothing. Have you actually done any magical workings? I already know the answer to that question, it is no.

[thirdwave]

i own and have read all of Hine's work, along with many other writers of the occult. It is you that has failed to comprehend. As i stated you are an armchair know nothing. Have you actually done any magical workings? I already know the answer to that question, it is no.

really???? :)

how do you know that then??.. more to the point what's the relevance of it??

[synergy777]

the work rik published in the public forum was not enough to send him over the edge, it wasn't deep occult etc, it was critical/creative thought. so henrik with his analysis is wrong imho. why rik committed suicide we might not ever know. he seemed a talented man, he had a good job, good friends, and a good social life. the real reasons are not known to us, thus speculation to me, seems like people like henrik are gloating over his death eg he couldn't handle the truth, unlike us professional researchers etc. personally, rik done more work than henrik and crane. i mean come on what half these researchers do is pure theatre, they are living in fantasy land, crop cirlces, channeled information, ripping old vedic concepts and passing it of as there own.

how many of them offer pragmatic and intelligent discourse?

the thing is rik's work resonated with the average person/common man. we could see his work and relate to it. that is what i am, i am a common man, average bloke, the masses, a sheep etc. all these researchers are frankly up their own arseholes and are detached from the reality of the masses. they pontificate about how they know the truth and they don't know much. i have connected more dots than most of the researchers, and yet most don't even see the connections, not even the famous researchers. see the thing is what we do, is for all of us, its about bringing the info to everyone, not being snobby and saying the sheep do not know this, they cannot handle the truth, that is bullshit to be frank. do not underestimate the intelligence and compassion of the masses, we are the masses, we are not seperate from them. too many researchers sell out, get all elitest and look down onto the masses/amateur researchers like me, rik, us etc.

i like red ice, but too much worshipping of false idols eg researchers with flashy websites is going on. trust in ourselves and our own ability, respect yourself and eachother. half of these reserachers are disinfo, payrolled to keep us apart and in conflict with eachother.

has henrik, ian crane etc pointed out the mistakes in riks work, have they given us a critical analysis, no. judge them by their fruits/works/actions. they all say this is wrong etc, but what do they offer?

i didn't know rik that well, but someone has to defend his honour from these snobby slandering researchers, they are acting like vultures, there time is over.

[melody]

has henrik, ian crane etc pointed out the mistakes in riks work, have they given us a critical analysis, no. judge them by their fruits/works/actions. they all say this is wrong etc, but what do they offer?

i didn't know rik that well, but someone has to defend his honour from these snobby slandering researchers, they are acting like vultures, there time is over.

I hear what you're saying here but wanted to add that I actually haven’t heard anyone say Rik’s work is wrong. I think they do honor his work but seem as goldman said in another thread, very lethargic about looking at the obvious and suspicious oddities of his death. It goes beyond lethargic to being on the side of shutting down the information and that’s what is very strange to me.

My point in my last comment on this thread was simply to say that when someone (like Henrik) starts talking about how spending too much time researching conspiracy and getting out of balance with the rest of hir life, given the inherent paranoia qualities of that sort of personality as well as the inherent power and dangers in the research itself, one takes the risk of “losing their mind” just like Rik did.

Obviously I don’t buy that and I don’t think Rik “lost his mind” but that is the story that is getting out, what his two closest friends are reporting to Henrik to ultimately be broadcasted out.

That’s like saying if you masturbate you might go blind, or if you don’t believe in JC as your personal savior you will go to hell. The logic is superstitious and if you did a statistical analysis of all “ creative thinkers” and too much intensity with their research relative to suicide or mental illness, because that is essentially what Henrik is saying with his emphasis on “extreme overthinking” relative to not enough fun in your life, I don’t think we would be able to draw any direct correlations in any field.

I think this is just another example of how subtle fear and control permeate even those working against it. Whether RIC is consciously a disinfo agent or not I have no clue. There are many suspicious things to point to that but the situation could just as easily be two guys interested in this area, talented, but naïve and learning their own lessons. Henrik’s rather extreme and somewhat uncharacteristic response to Rik’s death which has me upset right now be could be some personal projection.

But I am upset because it’s the same old trip disguised again, perhaps perpetrated by people who don’t even realize what they’re doing, and when you try to point things out you are silenced. It is not acceptable to question any of this over at RIC and that is very concerning to me because again, the fear and control reeks, the heavy handed manipulation and direction of people’s thoughts with this issue, all in the name of espousing freedom of opinion and thought. If that makes sense. Sad.

[synergy777]

I hear what you're saying here but wanted to add that I actually haven’t heard anyone say Rik’s work is wrong. I think they do honor his work but seem as goldman said in another thread, very lethargic about looking at the obvious and suspicious oddities of his death. It goes beyond lethargic to being on the side of shutting down the information and that’s what is very strange to me.

My point in my last comment on this thread was simply to say that when someone (like Henrik) starts talking about how spending too much time researching conspiracy and getting out of balance with the rest of hir life, given the inherent paranoia qualities of that sort of personality as well as the inherent power and dangers in the research itself, one takes the risk of “losing their mind” just like Rik did.

Obviously I don’t buy that and I don’t think Rik “lost his mind” but that is the story that is getting out, what his two closest friends are reporting to Henrik to ultimately be broadcasted out.

That’s like saying if you masturbate you might go blind, or if you don’t believe in JC as your personal savior you will go to hell. The logic is superstitious and if you did a statistical analysis of all “ creative thinkers” and too much intensity with their research relative to suicide or mental illness, because that is essentially what Henrik is saying with his emphasis on “extreme overthinking” relative to not enough fun in your life, I don’t think we would be able to draw any direct correlations in any field.

I think this is just another example of how subtle fear and control permeate even those working against it. Whether RIC is consciously a disinfo agent or not I have no clue. There are many suspicious things to point to that but the situation could just as easily be two guys interested in this area, talented, but naïve and learning their own lessons. Henrik’s rather extreme and somewhat uncharacteristic response to Rik’s death which has me upset right now be could be some personal projection.

But I am upset because it’s the same old trip disguised again, perhaps perpetrated by people who don’t even realize what they’re doing, and when you try to point things out you are silenced. It is not acceptable to question any of this over at RIC and that is very concerning to me because again, the fear and control reeks, the heavy handed manipulation and direction of people’s thoughts with this issue, all in the name of espousing freedom of opinion and thought. If that makes sense. Sad.

some good points expressed there.

however i think that when things start to unravel, we will be shocked at how much this conspiracy field is controlled, we will see that this conspiracy field is a creation of the elite, another controlling/monitoring mechanism.

we need to recognise that the validity of our data is compromised and we need to fully recognise the value of the human aspects. eg its not data that will get us through, but our human qualities of compassion, courage, clarity of mind etc. at the end of our day, it will be our actions that free us not rhetoric/prose.

from what i know of rik, he just gave us his research openly and did not have an agenda/ego trip. thats what i liked, he gave us his info, and did not say this is the truth etc. he just gave it openly and said, look this is what i have found, what do you think about it.

he didn't come over as snobby, know it all, new age guru, etc. he wasn't a modern day messiah/conman like shayler and his ilk.

his openess and humility is what i liked. his presentation of his work was good, clear, attractive, he wasn't sloppy like i am, lol.

[melody]

I agree with all that you said synergy777 and perhaps that's why I was unusually upset with Rik's death. A breath of fresh air gone. And we were all blessed by it and will learn from this experience.

[goldman]

Overall I don't believe that when someone posts 50 odd posts or something in 4 months goes nuts overnight. I don't buy that.

[frankanne]

the work rik published in the public forum was not enough to send him over the edge, it wasn't deep occult etc, it was critical/creative thought. so henrik with his analysis is wrong imho. why rik committed suicide we might not ever know. he seemed a talented man, he had a good job, good friends, and a good social life. the real reasons are not known to us, thus speculation to me, seems like people like henrik are gloating over his death eg he couldn't handle the truth, unlike us professional researchers etc. personally, rik done more work than henrik and crane. i mean come on what half these researchers do is pure theatre, they are living in fantasy land, crop cirlces, channeled information, ripping old vedic concepts and passing it of as there own.

how many of them offer pragmatic and intelligent discourse?

the thing is rik's work resonated with the average person/common man. we could see his work and relate to it. that is what i am, i am a common man, average bloke, the masses, a sheep etc. all these researchers are frankly up their own arseholes and are detached from the reality of the masses. they pontificate about how they know the truth and they don't know much. i have connected more dots than most of the researchers, and yet most don't even see the connections, not even the famous researchers. see the thing is what we do, is for all of us, its about bringing the info to everyone, not being snobby and saying the sheep do not know this, they cannot handle the truth, that is bullshit to be frank. do not underestimate the intelligence and compassion of the masses, we are the masses, we are not seperate from them. too many researchers sell out, get all elitest and look down onto the masses/amateur researchers like me, rik, us etc.

i like red ice, but too much worshipping of false idols eg researchers with flashy websites is going on. trust in ourselves and our own ability, respect yourself and eachother. half of these reserachers are disinfo, payrolled to keep us apart and in conflict with eachother.

has henrik, ian crane etc pointed out the mistakes in riks work, have they given us a critical analysis, no. judge them by their fruits/works/actions. they all say this is wrong etc, but what do they offer?

i didn't know rik that well, but someone has to defend his honour from these snobby slandering researchers, they are acting like vultures, there time is over.

Synergy, what a brilliant post. You've said exactly how I see it. That Rik seemed really well balanced, yet we have Henrik saying in a round about way that Rik became 'unbalanced' because of his 'unbalanced' lifestyle research. Henrik in my view is totally out of order there.

Then we have Ian Crane, more or less reprimanding Rik for putting out information - Ian said that Rik 'dumped' loads of puzzle pieces, making it impossible for people to fit them all together. Another total load of rubbish. Rik's facts were just that, facts. Not mumbo jumbo superiority like this Ian Crane - sneering snob that he came over as.

Well said Synergy.

[synergy777]

i am just expressing my own views, and sticking up for a person i respect.

we should share openly, treat everyone the same. some researchers do not, some do but most i think are like, how can i say it. this stuff is their last chance at being someone, a type of conspiracy culture celeb. they pretend they do not believe in fame, power, etc, but they love it. snobbery comes from arrogance/insecurity. everybody to a degree loves to be loved, famous, its an ego trip.

me i am too stubborn, single minded to give a hoot, lol, as long as the job gets done, who cares about the fame/credit, its all about results, eg us the people winning, and liberating ourselves, and living in peace. everything else is secondary, the main objective is winning.

to be honest this stuff comes easy to me, hence sometimes i am right, sometimes i am wrong. but we need to all contribute, thus helping eachother to improve, to fine tune our data, to increase its accuracy. it should be inclusive not exclusive.

its a team effort this time, not a mission for one poor soul. its too big, too much responsibility to expect one person to have all the answers, do everything. we have to help aswell. think about, all the previous times, krishna, buddha, yashuah, were on solo missions, and the elite beat them.

this time we cannot fail, failure is not an option. thus we must take collective responsibility and unite, we have the power, we just don't have the self belief, self confidence in ourselves. we don't have trust in ourselves and we don't trust eachother.

we must change this.

[mike hawk]

i joined the forum just so i could get a better understanding of this situation...i've heard the red ice interviews and i "get" the fact that there are emotions tied into this circumstance so i won't attempt to disrespect anyone....but seriously what evidence has been found to support the idea that he was murdered?

i've been into alternative/conspiracy/occult research for over 15 years so i also understand what it means to feel paranoid...i've been followed and accosted by the "authorities" for my affiliations so this is nothing unusual to me but don't we have to first find evidence before making claims? i think it damages "the movement" when we react without solid information. its akin to arriving at the conclusion before doing the necessary preliminary work. from what i've been able to glean of the story thus far i'd say there is much more to the story however i cannot lose objectivity based on that fact. at this stage all i know is that those close to him say he ended his own life...

the meta-theme throughout this "story" is that there is a process that one must go through in order to truly respect this genre. in fact i'd suggest that some listen to the previous week's interview with neil cramer who succinctly presented HIS model of the process. i haven't been on the board long but i don't see too many practising personal alchemy so far. is this typical?

i do not subscribe to the comments made here that henrik and ian crane displayed arrogance towards the situation at all. in fact they handled it quite maturely (besides the vulture comment) and objectively.

please let's discuss this with an aim in mind...to remove the ego from our reaction and seek ONLY the truth.

signed,

mike hawk.

[thirdwave]

Just listened to the red ice interview again and have to say I thought they hit it spot on and thought they paid Rik allot of respect and gave allot of good advice to young people out there getting into this info, some of it is very hectic and can really pull the ground from under you... sometimes you got to step back and and remember we have lives to live as well and try not to allow all this stuff to keep you in a shell.... I have suffered from this at times and its easy to get into...

I met the Red Ice guys at the Liverpool conference and they were really down to earth on the level guys... really mellow, they are also very open and responsive when ever I have e mailed them with questions.. I don't think they are anything like the enemy's out there... quite the opposite.

Im sure more info will come out over time, But I would have though his family are not even passed the shock factor yet..

[goldman]

i joined the forum just so i could get a better understanding of this situation...i've heard the red ice interviews and i "get" the fact that there are emotions tied into this circumstance so i won't attempt to disrespect anyone....but seriously what evidence has been found to support the idea that he was murdered?

i've been into alternative/conspiracy/occult research for over 15 years so i also understand what it means to feel paranoid...i've been followed and accosted by the "authorities" for my affiliations so this is nothing unusual to me but don't we have to first find evidence before making claims? i think it damages "the movement" when we react without solid information. its akin to arriving at the conclusion before doing the necessary preliminary work. from what i've been able to glean of the story thus far i'd say there is much more to the story however i cannot lose objectivity based on that fact. at this stage all i know is that those close to him say he ended his own life...

the meta-theme throughout this "story" is that there is a process that one must go through in order to truly respect this genre. in fact i'd suggest that some listen to the previous week's interview with neil cramer who succinctly presented HIS model of the process. i haven't been on the board long but i don't see too many practising personal alchemy so far. is this typical?

i do not subscribe to the comments made here that henrik and ian crane displayed arrogance towards the situation at all. in fact they handled it quite maturely (besides the vulture comment) and objectively.

please let's discuss this with an aim in mind...to remove the ego from our reaction and seek ONLY the truth.

signed,

mike hawk.

Good point, I subscribe to this.

[hirschfelder]

rik done more work than henrik and crane. i mean come on what half these researchers do is pure theatre, they are living in fantasy land, crop cirlces, channeled information, ripping old vedic concepts and passing it of as there own.

how many of them offer pragmatic and intelligent discourse?

Syn, I have a lot of respect for your posts, but I think you're misrepresenting Crane a bit there

He's a pretty down-to-earth researcher from what I've seen, which is his Codex Alimentarius and Fool Me Once talks

[runciter]

does crane write or speak about prince william being the new sun king?

maybe i'm wrong, but i think that the deadly issue is this one.

[klinker]

Has anyone managed to download the cosmic mind backup up?

[americana]

Two points/ questions:

1.) What about the adrenal overload bit, mentioned by Rik's father? If anyone else here has had this, you know it's tired beyond tired, just absolute exhaustion. And many MD's would say it's a BS diagnosis. BUT let's say that indeed Rik was suffering from this . . . was he getting proper treatment? Was he getting physically better? (It can cause depression and even worsen other ailments . . . ) Does anyone know or intuit anything of the TRUTH in this situation?

I have adrenal sickness myself, and I have certain theories about it which I am sort of working on . . . . so would be interested in anyone's ideas on the topic.

2.) I looked at the memorial Facebook page put up to honor Rik. I thought that he has lost a lot of weight . . .. ANYONE?



Oh, and a third thing. There was a pix on the Facebook of Rik's head and the Eiffel Tower in the distance. I believe that this is key . . . and telling us something . . .

[synergy777]

Syn, I have a lot of respect for your posts, but I think you're misrepresenting Crane a bit there

He's a pretty down-to-earth researcher from what I've seen, which is his Codex Alimentarius and Fool Me Once talks

fair point bro, i shouldn't pass judgement on crane etc, just got a bit defensive/emotional about people talking about rik in the manner they have been, i apologise.

[limelady]

Hello americana!!

You have asked a valid question regarding adrenal health. I too have suffered periodic adrenal 'burn out' due to events early in my life and other factors I won't include here, and there have been times when I have felt so emotionally and physically 'wiped out' (depleted, shaky and feeling very, very ill) that I felt I literally teetering on the edge of a cliff.

If Rik did indeed suffer adrenal illness (overload) at such a young age, then I am deeply sorry for him.....and yes, the weight peels of you when you are in that state, and even minor stresses you can normally cope with without batting an eyelid, are enough to make you feel you 'want out' when you're already in such a physically/emotionally/mentally exhausted state.

I think there is a lot more we need to seriously consider before jumping to any firm conclusions there was intentional 'hanky-panky' surrounding Rik's death. Lets be honest here, the Rik Clay most of us saw and related to, was the Rik Clay HE chose to present to the world along with his research. We really have no idea what may have been going on with him on the inside, and anything we say on this score is purely speculation from our own point of view.

We just don't know.

[eternal_spirit]

If Rik did indeed suffer adrenal illness (overload) at such a young age, then I am deeply sorry for him.....and yes, the weight peels of you when you are in that state, and even minor stresses you can normally cope with without batting an eyelid, are enough to make you feel you 'want out' when you're already in such a physically/emotionally/mentally exhausted state.

I think there is a lot more we need to seriously consider before jumping to any firm conclusions there was intentional 'hanky-panky' surrounding Rik's death. Lets be honest here, the Rik Clay most of us saw and related to, was the Rik Clay HE chose to present to the world along with his research. We really have no idea what may have been going on with him on the inside, and anything we say on this score is purely speculation from our own point of view.

We just don't know.


Good points
This is why people on this forum should also be nicer and less abusive to each other because some really do go out their way to upset and hurt others.

What if being bullied on forums was the last straw or added to an already suicidal person's state of mind.

There are some loners who have been rejected and crapped on in the real world in many ways, who are on the edge of the system, and find themselves alone not by choice but because of others actions, or being the local so called conspiracy nut (but we'd know them as fellow truth seekers)

And they aren't accepted or can't be around none truthers, not because they relate to them as sheeple, but once you know so much it's real difficult to relate to others there can be a point of no return for some researchers and if you cannot do the general chit chat small talk like the others they think your stupid, weird, ignorant etc etc. So you end up alone, because it's too painful to be around those people, sure some of you know what I'm trying to say.

I know one member here who suffers from Post traumatic stress syndrome and they commented that the abuse here upsets them and doesn't help their condition and puts them off posting here (I'm sure there's many more who have conditions they'd rather not make public for fear of ridicule or other personal reasons)

And the abuse may make their conditions worse, too most people it's just words on a screen but to some it goes much deeper and they can take those words to heart.

Final point Rik had everything going for him, friends, a band, family, people praising his work, radio shows etc.... compared too many lonely people who are truth seekers he had heck of allot to live for.

[eternal_spirit]

Let's face it some who go around calling others sheeple are fully paid up robots and in the system themselves, some of us are not and live on the edge and have been there for long long time.

Some have an awful lot to learn about empathy and probably have had an easy life and don't know what it is to be alone and suffer deep emotional pain. But they are blinded by their own ignorance.

I'm far from perfect myself and have been guilty of some name calling myself.....but have been through the grinding mill and I know real pain and it's not something I want to post here.

[Ian2day]

Is Redice really owned by AOL TimeWarner et al?

[the littlest hobo]

Good points
This is why people on this forum should also be nicer and less abusive to each other because some really do go out their way to upset and hurt others.

What if being bullied on forums was the last straw or added to an already suicidal person's state of mind.

There are some loners who have been rejected and crapped on in the real world in many ways, who are on the edge of the system, and find themselves alone not by choice but because of others actions, or being the local so called conspiracy nut (but we'd know them as fellow truth seekers)

And they aren't accepted or can't be around none truthers, not because they relate to them as sheeple, but once you know so much it's real difficult to relate to others there can be a point of no return for some researchers and if you cannot do the general chit chat small talk like the others they think your stupid, weird, ignorant etc etc. So you end up alone, because it's too painful to be around those people, sure some of you know what I'm trying to say.

I know one member here who suffers from Post traumatic stress syndrome and they commented that the abuse here upsets them and doesn't help their condition and puts them off posting here (I'm sure there's many more who have conditions they'd rather not make public for fear of ridicule or other personal reasons)

And the abuse may make their conditions worse, too most people it's just words on a screen but to some it goes much deeper and they can take those words to heart.

Final point Rik had everything going for him, friends, a band, family, people praising his work, radio shows etc.... compared too many lonely people who are truth seekers he had heck of allot to live for.

Well said! This is so true, I can relate completely to that, which is why I came on here in the first place.
You are always going to get the bullies though unfortunately. Just like the school playground, then the workplace, you know the one thats got nothing better to do than stand, watch and pick fault at anyone that is at least doing their work, there's even the battle axe up the road who spends her entire life either gossiping to anyone that will listen about anyone and everyone at the top of her voice or making some poor innocent person's life as miserable as possible, makes me sick!! They sit there and they feed off others misery, the only way that they can be defeated is to completely ignore them and not to even acknowledge there existence. Kind of like a child that is desperate for attention, in the end they don't care if its negative attention so long as they are getting some. Don't give it to them, they will have no choice but to look for some other poor victim.

[kweli]

Good points
This is why people on this forum should also be nicer and less abusive to each other because some really do go out their way to upset and hurt others.

What if being bullied on forums was the last straw or added to an already suicidal person's state of mind.

There are some loners who have been rejected and crapped on in the real world in many ways, who are on the edge of the system, and find themselves alone not by choice but because of others actions, or being the local so called conspiracy nut (but we'd know them as fellow truth seekers)

And they aren't accepted or can't be around none truthers, not because they relate to them as sheeple, but once you know so much it's real difficult to relate to others there can be a point of no return for some researchers and if you cannot do the general chit chat small talk like the others they think your stupid, weird, ignorant etc etc. So you end up alone, because it's too painful to be around those people, sure some of you know what I'm trying to say.

I know one member here who suffers from Post traumatic stress syndrome and they commented that the abuse here upsets them and doesn't help their condition and puts them off posting here (I'm sure there's many more who have conditions they'd rather not make public for fear of ridicule or other personal reasons)

And the abuse may make their conditions worse, too most people it's just words on a screen but to some it goes much deeper and they can take those words to heart.

Final point Rik had everything going for him, friends, a band, family, people praising his work, radio shows etc.... compared too many lonely people who are truth seekers he had heck of allot to live for.

Good post and well put. I can totally identify with what you're saying.

[boots]

Good points
This is why people on this forum should also be nicer and less abusive to each other because some really do go out their way to upset and hurt others.

What if being bullied on forums was the last straw or added to an already suicidal person's state of mind.

There are some loners who have been rejected and crapped on in the real world in many ways, who are on the edge of the system, and find themselves alone not by choice but because of others actions, or being the local so called conspiracy nut (but we'd know them as fellow truth seekers)

And they aren't accepted or can't be around none truthers, not because they relate to them as sheeple, but once you know so much it's real difficult to relate to others there can be a point of no return for some researchers and if you cannot do the general chit chat small talk like the others they think your stupid, weird, ignorant etc etc. So you end up alone, because it's too painful to be around those people, sure some of you know what I'm trying to say.

I know one member here who suffers from Post traumatic stress syndrome and they commented that the abuse here upsets them and doesn't help their condition and puts them off posting here (I'm sure there's many more who have conditions they'd rather not make public for fear of ridicule or other personal reasons)

And the abuse may make their conditions worse, too most people it's just words on a screen but to some it goes much deeper and they can take those words to heart.

Final point Rik had everything going for him, friends, a band, family, people praising his work, radio shows etc.... compared too many lonely people who are truth seekers he had heck of allot to live for.

I totally agree too ES.

Kweli put up a good thread about newbies and I was disgusted by some in that thread.

I think that americana and limelady hit the nail on the head with their posts.

And we lost a top truthseeker.:(

[celtic isis]

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/09sep/RICR-080911.php

'We have Ian Crane back on the program for a two-hour special to discuss the passing of Rik Clay, Integration, Information, Awakening, Spirituality, Conspiracy and much more. We begin to discuss Rik Clay, we talk about what we so far know happened to him and how he passed away. We talk about the rumors of Rik being murdered, we talk about paranoia and premature conclusions in the "conspiracy movement". We move on to discuss the importance of a careful approach to esoteric, occult and conspiratorial subject matters and the important of integration of knowledge about the conspiracy as well as the spiritual side to all of this. Topics discussed: Transpersonal State, Awakening Process, Change, Research, Internet, Communication, Soul Returning, Healthy Balance, Messiah Complex, Midlife Opportunity, Drugs, Shamanic Journey, Alcohol, Spiritual Entities, Temporary possession, Geopolitics, The Journey vs. Speed, Gurdjieff, Terrence McKenna, Time wave Zero, Jose Arguelles, 2012, Jeff Stray, Destruction of Knowledge, Christianity, Renaissance and much more.'

thanks for this i do like ian crane,he looks a bit rough but get's th emessage over well:)

yes no more abuse on the forum would be nice and all.

[celtic isis]

does crane write or speak about prince william being the new sun king?

maybe i'm wrong, but i think that the deadly issue is this one.

prob shouldn't say this...but i read somewhere before (perhaps a nostradamus predicition not sure) that one prince would never get to be king and his brother would have to take the throne...now william is going into the army/forces...

another sun king sacrafice on the way?

:confused:

just a thought!

[eternal_spirit]

Well said! This is so true, I can relate completely to that, which is why I came on here in the first place.
You are always going to get the bullies though unfortunately. Just like the school playground, then the workplace, you know the one thats got nothing better to do than stand, watch and pick fault at anyone that is at least doing their work, there's even the battle axe up the road who spends her entire life either gossiping to anyone that will listen about anyone and everyone at the top of her voice or making some poor innocent person's life as miserable as possible, makes me sick!! They sit there and they feed off others misery, the only way that they can be defeated is to completely ignore them and not to even acknowledge there existence. Kind of like a child that is desperate for attention, in the end they don't care if its negative attention so long as they are getting some. Don't give it to them, they will have no choice but to look for some other poor victim.

Makes you wonder at times who's side they're on. I've been called a Mason, Nazi, Fundy Christian (all lies) I expose racist religions/Masons/Satanism, and those who follow these religions on here and ideologies do their best to lie, troll and attack the messenger, I've even caught a few quoting other people's posts (but adding bits/lies to make genuine people look bad)

At times I post quotes with references to books by Satanists/Masons etc from their own words and writings and real documented satanic murders in honour of Satan and there's still a few on here who deny and try lie about it. They've chose the wrong one to mess with-see they underestimate our intelligence because they have false senses of superiority and think what would a dumb Goy=sheople lie us know about anything.


Sure I''ll consider theories but when it's absolute proof that's the cream of research and the ultimate goal.

[eternal_spirit]

prob shouldn't say this...but i read somewhere before (perhaps a nostradamus predicition not sure) that one prince would never get to be king and his brother would have to take the throne...now william is going into the army/forces...

another sun king sacrafice on the way?

:confused:

just a thought!


He may well be the Sun God/king scapegoat and blood line rotshchild, although if you're looking for the Lucifarian consciousness aka Satan the Rothshchild's are the likely candidates, they have recently built a place in Jersusalem.

And are refered to as King of the Jews who is their God? Satan/Lucifer aka Yaweh.

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=474736#post474736)
http://www.rondart.com/The%20Essential%20Talmud.jpg

Look carefully at the flowery pattern, if you don't see it look again.

Looks like it says Satan IMO.
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/5024/003001c8df8bcb35d49053ajn8.jpg

Zionism is the NWO.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5130/pyramidmasonxf7.gif Spells mason and the hexagram aka Seal of Solomon aka Star of David aka Jewish identity
http://www.icenimilitaria.co.uk/assets/flags/isralsm.gif Israel flag


The false messiah will take his seat in Jerusalem....Who is at the top of the Brotherhood Pyramid symbolically Lucifer (Rothschild family) I don't believe they are Satan in the flesh as a being, but Lucifarian consciousness is their state of mind so it's allegory/symbolic of Satan/anti-Christ.
Satan is the God of the material world and they and their associates and bloodline relatives own most of the material world. Gold diamonds oil etc etc.

WHO ARE THE REAL OWNERS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE?

1. Rothschilds of London and Berlin
2. Lazard Brothers of Paris
3. Israel Moses Seaf of Italy
4. Kuhn, Loeb & Co. of Germany and New York
5. Warburg & Company of Hamburg, Germany
6. Lehman Brothers of New York
7. Goldman, Sachs of New York
8. Rockefeller Brothers of New York

All of the above listed men are Jews. Note that ALL are also "foreign" with established headquarters in Europe even the ones in New York are only "branches" of European establishments. There are an additional three hundred people, approximately, mostly relatives, who hold stock or shares, and they comprise the ownership of this monster, the massive wealth of which is beyond man's comprehension.

Rothschild quote-I care not who makes a Nations laws as long as I have control of the money (something like that)

[the littlest hobo]

prob shouldn't say this...but i read somewhere before (perhaps a nostradamus predicition not sure) that one prince would never get to be king and his brother would have to take the throne...now william is going into the army/forces...

another sun king sacrafice on the way?

:confused:

just a thought!

Hmm interesting. Especially with the death of Will's double not so long back. I did wonder at the time if his body was going to be used to fake his death. My suspicious mind working overtime yet again?? Who knows he may get to meet up with his mother again. lol.
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/february2006/270206dianadeath.htm
Does anybody else think that Diana may still be alive, I am open minded to that idea. There seems to be too much emphasis on the conspiracy that she was murdered in my opinion indicates a cover up of something. Why was the Mercedes that drove Diana and Dodi from the Ritz mysteriously swapped to a car that had been stolen a couple of weeks before? Allegedly the stolen car had its electrical parts tampered with. Just an idea a friend of mine mentioned once that maybe there was a remote control device placed in the car. Another thing that sounds suss to me was the fact that Diana allegedly mentions several times that she feared her breaks were going to be tampered with and that her husband was going to plan her murder. How interesting, he must have told her before he done it or is that what they want us to think??
So was it a ritual sacrifice or is it just a small part of the big plot that is yet to unfold? Is she still alive and living a life of luxury underground, you never know all them tunnels and underground cinema's, who knows what else?
http://www.illuminati-news.com/sec-society-gathering-place.htm

Then you have the flame of liberty that looks like a pentacle from above, whats that all about??
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/diana.html
This explains things from the astrological aspect of Diana in relation to the events in her life. Its a long read but skip the first half if you wish and you will see the connections.
These are not necessarily beliefs that I hold they are just ideas or stuff I come across.

[runciter]

found this headline in today's red ice homepage:

Prince William to Become Rescue Pilot
By Eben Harrell / London Monday, Sep. 15, 2008

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2008/0809/william_0915.jpg

Britain's Prince William announced on Monday that he will train with the Royal Air Force (RAF) to be a full-time search and rescue pilot. His surprise career choice prolongs a relationship with the military that has periodically come under strain through a series of controversies surrounding the privileged role William and his younger brother Harry have in Britain's armed services.

For years William, 26, has professed a desire to dip into various professions in preparation for his ascension to the British throne. For the last two years, he has undertaken a number of training courses in the military. But instead of ending that military chapter and moving on to another, he has decided to enroll in an 18-month training program to fly Sea King rescue helicopters. The announcement follows news that he would not be allowed to serve in Afghanistan after his younger brother Harry was abruptly withdrawn from the front lines in the dangerous Helmand province in February amid concerns for his safety.

William's career choice within the RAF seems equally influenced by safety concerns. The Sea King helicopter, a service workhorse for some 30 years, is used almost exclusively for civilian rescue operations such as flood relief, stranded ships, and injured or lost mountain climbers. "It has been a real privilege to have spent the past year understanding and experiencing all aspects of the British armed forces," William said in a statement. "I now want to build on the experience and training I have received to serve operationally — especially because, for good reasons, I was not able to deploy to Afghanistan this year."

William, who is a lieutenant in the army, learned to fly through a brief training course with the RAF this spring. A storm of controversy was raised in April after it was revealed that he used official helicopter training missions to visit the property of his girlfriend, Kate Middleton, and fly his brother to a bachelor party. According to British newspapers, those sorties resulted in the head of the RAF, Air Chief Marshal Sir Glenn Torpy, demanding a "line-by-line" explanation of their authorization and left columnists debating whether the royals' involvement with the military was a sideshow for forces already overstretched in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The RAF, for its part, has clearly been keen to harness the public relations boost of brandishing a "warrior prince" in its ranks. William's uncle, Prince Andrew, was a Royal Navy helicopter pilot during the 1982 Falklands conflict. William was "awarded his wings" — that is, made a pilot — in a training course that was shortened from the usual four years to less than four months. But it seems to be a happy fit. While his brother Harry has crowed about the joys of being "stuck in" as "one of the lads" in the Army, William has thrived at higher altitudes. He said yesterday that his time in the RAF "made me realize how much I love flying" and that search and rescue allowed him to fulfill the altruistic impulses that informs his charity work, as it did his mother's.

"Joining Search and Rescue is a perfect opportunity for me to serve in the forces operationally, while contributing to a vital part of the country's emergency services," he said.

And just as William is happy with his new job, it surely won't be disappointing for his legion of female fans to imagine a handsome prince charging through the mist, rescuing someone in distress.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1841350,00.html

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rik died at age 26

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18 = 666

in latin:

sex sex sex

30 = xxx

x = letter 24

2+4 2+4 2+4

666 again

william was born in 1982

he will be 30 (xxx) in 2012

[thank you rik clay, r.i.p.]

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torpy reminds me of turpin

http://images.newsquest.co.uk/image.php?id=1062851&type=full

http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/display.var.2430836.0.0.php?act=complaint&cid=1847868

no competition allowed?

[eternal_spirit]

Does anybody else think that Diana may still be alive,

Don't know, but read in think it was The Biggest Secret book Icke wrote that she may have been pregnant and they took the baby for rituals but also to maybe clones of Diana artificial insemination or something.

[lizzy]

some good points expressed there.

however i think that when things start to unravel, we will be shocked at how much this conspiracy field is controlled, we will see that this conspiracy field is a creation of the elite, another controlling/monitoring mechanism.

we need to recognise that the validity of our data is compromised and we need to fully recognise the value of the human aspects. eg its not data that will get us through, but our human qualities of compassion, courage, clarity of mind etc. at the end of our day, it will be our actions that free us not rhetoric/prose.

from what i know of rik, he just gave us his research openly and did not have an agenda/ego trip. thats what i liked, he gave us his info, and did not say this is the truth etc. he just gave it openly and said, look this is what i have found, what do you think about it.

he didn't come over as snobby, know it all, new age guru, etc. he wasn't a modern day messiah/conman like shayler and his ilk.

his openess and humility is what i liked. his presentation of his work was good, clear, attractive, he wasn't sloppy like i am, lol.

Thankyou syn......I believe this to be true.

The high stakes ,the penultimate.....our minds , bodies and souls being polluted and destroyed everyday by TPTB are real and I think the "battle' really does take place right here on this forum.

I see some given total free reign to be as vile and as obnoxious as they can be and I question why that is??

As for Ric's passing....I think he was onto something regarding Pr. William and his unassuming method of delivery could have grown into something much bigger.......I will say , I am still suspicious.

[lizzy]

Makes you wonder at times who's side they're on. I've been called a Mason, Nazi, Fundy Christian (all lies) I expose racist religions/Masons/Satanism, and those who follow these religions on here and ideologies do their best to lie, troll and attack the messenger, I've even caught a few quoting other people's posts (but adding bits/lies to make genuine people look bad)

At times I post quotes with references to books by Satanists/Masons etc from their own words and writings and real documented satanic murders in honour of Satan and there's still a few on here who deny and try lie about it. They've chose the wrong one to mess with-see they underestimate our intelligence because they have false senses of superiority and think what would a dumb Goy=sheople lie us know about anything.


Sure I''ll consider theories but when it's absolute proof that's the cream of research and the ultimate goal.

I agree and hear you loud and clear;)........

[lizzy]

Does anybody else think that Diana may still be alive,

Don't know, but read in think it was The Biggest Secret book Icke wrote that she may have been pregnant and they took the baby for rituals but also to maybe clones of Diana artificial insemination or something.

I have no opinion on this......altho' anything is possible , no "evidence' has popped up.
But Williams's double dying recently and now Ric ( just begining his research in this area ......is doubious....)

[pedsi]

Hmm interesting. Especially with the death of Will's double not so long back. I did wonder at the time if his body was going to be used to fake his death. My suspicious mind working overtime yet again?? Who knows he may get to meet up with his mother again. lol.
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/february2006/270206dianadeath.htm
Does anybody else think that Diana may still be alive, I am open minded to that idea. There seems to be too much emphasis on the conspiracy that she was murdered in my opinion indicates a cover up of something. Why was the Mercedes that drove Diana and Dodi from the Ritz mysteriously swapped to a car that had been stolen a couple of weeks before? Allegedly the stolen car had its electrical parts tampered with. Just an idea a friend of mine mentioned once that maybe there was a remote control device placed in the car. Another thing that sounds suss to me was the fact that Diana allegedly mentions several times that she feared her breaks were going to be tampered with and that her husband was going to plan her murder. How interesting, he must have told her before he done it or is that what they want us to think??
So was it a ritual sacrifice or is it just a small part of the big plot that is yet to unfold? Is she still alive and living a life of luxury underground, you never know all them tunnels and underground cinema's, who knows what else?
http://www.illuminati-news.com/sec-society-gathering-place.htm

Then you have the flame of liberty that looks like a pentacle from above, whats that all about??
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/diana.html
This explains things from the astrological aspect of Diana in relation to the events in her life. Its a long read but skip the first half if you wish and you will see the connections.
These are not necessarily beliefs that I hold they are just ideas or stuff I come across.

Hi the littlest hobo,

interesting point there you make about diana,here's a post I made on another thread...

If what David Icke says about Alfayed is true, that he himself is well connected to the royals through the sultan of brunai then hes obviously involved in this whole charade.Could he be diverting us from the real truth here the truth that his son and dianna never died at all.Everything we know about Dianna,her compassion for others,her honesty,all her good work for charity,these ideals were spoon fed to us through the media and were deliberatly done so in order to give us the impression that she was so different from the rest.She was portrayed as the perfect princess and the masses bought it,myself included at the time.
I am am awre of all the ritualistic sacrafice connotations surrounding her death but even if she never died all the greiving energy was still extracted from the masses and channeld for their own manevoelant use.Now I'm not trying to come out with some theory that I can come up with possibities of how it was done all I'm saying is we've gone ten yrs now debating how she died and who was behind it,we've had enquiry after enquiry,and its been kept in the public mind through the media,all the time saying diannas dead.
Perhaps the real truth lies 180 degrees from where we are being told to look.
Just a thought!!

Here's a pm I received regarding the above post...I must say I was a bit surprised!

Hi, I've just logged into this forum for the sole purpose of answering you Pedsi when you ask is it possible Diana is not even dead. I don't 'do' forums anymore, been there dunnit so to speak and not interested in getting into verbal fights etc but was stunned by your comment when I casually and quite out of the blue looked at Ickes forum. Why? 'cos I had 3 dreams in a row...identical dreams...the same night...where I woke up in between. They all said Diana was not dead and the switch was made with a lookalike body round the backstreets of Paris where she was 'lost' for a few hours. She is being kept a prisoner, she has lost tons of weight, looks years older, and is trying to escape and Charlie is in it up to his neck. Di is being used, her fear is being kept up and one day she will be released and the world will make a collective gasp all over again and the pure energy sent up by millions will be utilised - when the need arises. One of her boys is very sad and wants to kill himself as he misses his mum too much. The queen 'suddenly' remembered what the butler saw that day at the famous trial where they were going to screw him into the ground because he in fact sussed out it was'nt Di in the her final box and is threataning to blab all....thats whats on the video tape they broke in and tried to find and everybody is shit scared he'll die 'cos if he does he's left copies with reliable people who will publish the tape if he dies 'suddenly'. He is being protected from assassins or injury in case them in the know think he's been bumped off and they'll publish the tape as instructed. What else would scare the pure shit out of the saxegothas on our English throne? btw both Diana & camilla were/are used as smokescreens for Charlies sexual preferences. Make of this comment what you will Pedsi...I've passed it on and its out of my hands now.I'm not drunk, on drugs or into any fantasy comics,crap or dodgy website.
Regards.+++++++

[the littlest hobo]

That is very strange that one Pedsi, not quite sure what to think about that one. I must admit though I did too fall for the propaganda at the time and its' only been recently that I have started to question anything. I think that Al fayed is definitely in on it and even maybe even Will and Harry. As crazy as it sounds.
Has anybody seen the murals at Denver airport?
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=denver+airport+mural&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enGB257GB257&um=1&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title
Completely irrelevant or is it?
I mean what the f...??

[musti]

That is very strange that one Pedsi, not quite sure what to think about that one. I must admit though I did too fall for the propaganda at the time and its' only been recently that I have started to question anything. I think that Al fayed is definitely in on it and even maybe even Will and Harry. As crazy as it sounds.
Has anybody seen the murals at Denver airport?
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=denver+airport+mural&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enGB257GB257&um=1&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title
Completely irrelevant or is it?
I mean what the f...??

hi littlest hobo,

yes, this is a topic that's going on for a long time (well since the construction of the airport, which went way overbudget). some talk about a very large underground base. i've been there once but i wasn't aware of this stuff at that time but i still had a very negative feeling about it. but anyway i generally get a negative vibe from airports for some reason.

here is a documentary about it. i've seen a different version about a year ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjjIy1DO0gs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL2vnxVIH_0

[newspaceman]

does crane write or speak about prince william being the new sun king?

maybe i'm wrong, but i think that the deadly issue is this one.

He only speaks of it esoterically when he mentions the donkey ride from London to Edinburgh.

How can anyone stick up for a "researcher" who advertises the fact he is going to publish a "pocket size" guide to 2012.

Does that in itself not tell you what you need to know ?

Runciter, your are bang on, William is the capstone.

cheers

[newspaceman]

thanks for this i do like ian crane,he looks a bit rough but get's th emessage over well:)

yes no more abuse on the forum would be nice and all.

you are part of it, no ?

cheers

[newspaceman]

Does anybody else think that Diana may still be alive,

Don't know, but read in think it was The Biggest Secret book Icke wrote that she may have been pregnant and they took the baby for rituals but also to maybe clones of Diana artificial insemination or something.

So are you

[frankanne]

Is Redice really owned by AOL TimeWarner et al?

What makes you ask that Ian? Do you have any evidence that Redice is connected to AOL?

Please share if you have.

[eternal_spirit]

So are you

Go away troll

[newspaceman]

Go away troll

Any excuse

[frankanne]

I can't believe this thread. And I doubt any other sane human being would either.

We've got one poster saying that Prince William will be sacrificed. We've got another saying they believe Diana is still alive.

I mean, this is crazy stuff.

I see it as deliberate dis-info to discredit GENUINE questions about Rik's blog coming down back in June.

Now Rik's blog coming down in June need answers.

Yet all we've got here is a load of nonsense about Diana being alive, Prince William being sacrificed, etc. etc. etc.

How to trash a GENUINE question? Pile in a load of nonsense so that no one takes you seriously.

[Ian2day]

I for one would like to know what logs there are of the research Rick had carried out on the music industry. I recall reading that his family had seen the google logs of his research. So I presume there exists logs of his most recent research into the music industry.

[frankanne]

some good points expressed there.

however i think that when things start to unravel, we will be shocked at how much this conspiracy field is controlled, we will see that this conspiracy field is a creation of the elite, another controlling/monitoring mechanism.

we need to recognise that the validity of our data is compromised and we need to fully recognise the value of the human aspects. eg its not data that will get us through, but our human qualities of compassion, courage, clarity of mind etc. at the end of our day, it will be our actions that free us not rhetoric/prose.

from what i know of rik, he just gave us his research openly and did not have an agenda/ego trip. thats what i liked, he gave us his info, and did not say this is the truth etc. he just gave it openly and said, look this is what i have found, what do you think about it.

he didn't come over as snobby, know it all, new age guru, etc. he wasn't a modern day messiah/conman like shayler and his ilk.

his openess and humility is what i liked. his presentation of his work was good, clear, attractive, he wasn't sloppy like i am, lol.

Oh syn. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

"we need to fully recognise the value of the human aspects. eg its not data that will get us through, but our human qualities of compassion, courage, clarity of mind etc. at the end of our day, it will be our actions that free us not rhetoric/prose."

Love your way of looking at things. Love your wisdom. Love your fail-proof entenna, that filters out EGO, and allows TRUTH to come in.

If all we want is TRUTH, then we can gladly embrace ANYTHING that is TRUE, even if it means changing our previous outlook or views or opinions. Because our ultimate goal is TRUTH - no matter what.

If Rik's blog came down because he wanted it to come down, then we need to know, and I will respect Rik's wishes, but I have to say, right now I believe that his blog came down even though he DID NOT WANT IT TO COME DOWN - he mentioned that he wanted to tell us more about the music industry. And not ONE of the dis-info people have explained to me THAT ONE.

The dis-info people will just ignore, dismiss, not speak about, totally AVOID facts and evidence. They will do anything and everything to side step and avoid the FACTS. Not ONE of them has told me or anyone else, WHY Rik would bring down his own blog on the same day that he was telling everyone that he would reveal more stuff. Not ONE PERSON, NOT ONE 'friend', or 'father' or 'mother', not anyone, telling us why Rik would promise to reveal stuff, and then destroy his work THAT SAME DAY. NOT ONE PERSON has explained that.

DOES ANYONE ELSE, OTHER THAN ME AND ERIC AND KWELI, AND MAYBE A FEW OTHERS, WONDER WHAT THE FUCK WENT ON THERE?

[frankanne]

I for one would like to know what logs there are of the research Rick had carried out on the music industry. I recall reading that his family had seen the google logs of his research. So I presume there exists logs of his most recent research into the music industry.

I don't know about that Ian. All I know is that Rik said he had information and he was going to share it. Then his blog came down.

[eternal_spirit]

I don't know about that Ian. All I know is that Rik said he had information and he was going to share it. Then his blog came down.

Have you thought what he found out may have tipped him over the edge, the music/media biz is seriously wacky behind the scenes. OTO plays a role.

People are groomed and chosen
musicians and lyrics are changed from the original bands creation to suit the Biz's agenda in some cases, it's all part of culture creation the Elite have their Culture creators which give us our bread and circuses (entertainment can be brainwashing propaganda to make people act/behave and think certain thoughts, it's potent and effective and took over from when religion was the main from of mind control in the past)

If you don't go along with what you're told too, that's when bad things can happen. It can be the same for researchers they are told what info to put out, when they become involved with certain groups who are a platform for the researchers.

[eternal_spirit]

If Rik's blog came down because he wanted it to come down, then we need to know, and I will respect Rik's wishes, but I have to say, right now I believe that his blog came down even though he DID NOT WANT IT TO COME DOWN - he mentioned that he wanted to tell us more about the music industry. And not ONE of the dis-info people have explained to me THAT ONE.

Bingo

[josephmalkin]

If Rik's blog came down because he wanted it to come down, then we need to know, and I will respect Rik's wishes, but I have to say, right now I believe that his blog came down even though he DID NOT WANT IT TO COME DOWN - he mentioned that he wanted to tell us more about the music industry. And not ONE of the dis-info people have explained to me THAT ONE.

DOES ANYONE ELSE, OTHER THAN ME AND ERIC AND KWELI, AND MAYBE A FEW OTHERS, WONDER WHAT THE FUCK WENT ON THERE?

I am sure with Rik's experience in the business, coupled with his father and mothers record company (http://www.stuntedrecords.co.uk/about.asp) he would have had some interesting info to share about the music industry. It is very interesting that his "adrenal failure" occurred immediately after posting these intentions and his father subsequently became his spokesperson.

That being said, I think that short of someone actually going to Leeds and doing some IN PERSON investigation, we will never know what exactly went on here. Rik may have been suffering from depression for years, and his research and discoveries may have finally pushed him over the edge. Yes, he didn't SOUND depressed in his interview, LOOK depressed in pictures, or WRITE like someone who was considering suicide. However, is it really possible to make a diagnosis with such limited information and not knowing him personally?

[the littlest hobo]

I for one would like to know what logs there are of the research Rick had carried out on the music industry. I recall reading that his family had seen the google logs of his research. So I presume there exists logs of his most recent research into the music industry.

That may well be where the answer to our questions lie. Fat chance we will get to see them though. For whatever reason his family and friends don't want people on here to know the truth about what happened. They must know that they are only adding fuel to the fire by being all secretive. It just doesnt make any sense. Unless Rik said don't let them bastards on the icke forum know how I want to die (which I don't believe for one minute by the way) or they know the full details of what happens will only fuel people's suspicions or they want it to look suspicious to put emphasis on Rik's work. Surely they can't expect everyone that feels compassion for Rik on this forum to just say "oh ok well thats that then" and then move on from it. That is absolutely ridiculous.
Maybe I am wrong, but what if his discoveries to do with music were a bit too close to home without him realising it. Sorry for speculating but what else can I do when obviously noone is coming forward with the facts. Maybe we don't have the right to know what the facts are and its nothing to do with us, but if thats the case then nobody has the right to tell us that we cannot then speculate.

[ericdubay]

While it's on topic, here's my expose of Masons in the movie/music industry... most every celebrity with any popularity/longevity is brought into the lower ranks of Masonry/Eastern Star:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3289775/Famous-Freemasons-Exposed

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[newspaceman]

While it's on topic, here's my expose of Masons in the movie/music industry... most every celebrity with any popularity/longevity is brought into the lower ranks of Masonry/Eastern Star:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3289775/Famous-Freemasons-Exposed

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

Note the change of subject once again

cheers

[ericdubay]

Note the subject of change:

Rik's expose of the music industry -> Eric's expose of the music industry

Sorry to drag the thread wildly off-topic spaceman. My bad. As you were.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com

[synergy777]

eric thanks for you book from scribd. you have collected some good examples of masonic handsigns, especially the clergy, politicans and in art. however some of the celebrity ones i think are potentially not masonic handsigns, imho. i do believe that the top celebs are apart of the cartel/nwo, as they are used to promote the agenda/social engineering. i have seen some of the keira knightley ones, and they just look like natural hand postioning eg the m sign. however considering she has worked on disney films, and we all know the masonic connections of founder walt disney, then she could be on the payroll. as i believe the nwo use archetypes eg blondes like pamela anderson, marilyn monroe, jane mansfield, madonna. they also use the brunette archetype, eg winona ryder, natalie portman, keira knightley, they all lookalike, create an image to aspire to.

the polticans you have pcitured are great finds, its obvious, they have no reasons to do these handsigns at political functions. the el diablo hand sign is used by rock/metal fans, and thus some celebs might just use this sign in order to look cool, anarchic, anti authority etc. with regards to the woman who used this in the formation of sign language, great find. the inclusions of anton la vey shows clearly that the el diablo handsign is satanic, and that the politicans are in on the satanic cabal.

heres a handsign i picked up, british celeb lilly allen. she is from a rich family involved in tv/music, she even attended same schools as some royals. and yet her public persona is street, and yet she went to top boarding schools.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7927/lillyhandsignrc6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[kweli]

eric thanks for you book from scribd. you have collected some good examples of masonic handsigns, especially the clergy, politicans and in art. however some of the celebrity ones i think are potentially not masonic handsigns, imho. i do believe that the top celebs are apart of the cartel/nwo, as they are used to promote the agenda/social engineering. i have seen some of the keira knightley ones, and they just look like natural hand postioning eg the m sign. however considering she has worked on disney films, and we all know the masonic connections of founder walt disney, then she could be on the payroll. as i believe the nwo use archetypes eg blondes like pamela anderson, marilyn monroe, jane mansfield, madonna. they also use the brunette archetype, eg winona ryder, natalie portman, keira knightley, they all lookalike, create an image to aspire to.

the polticans you have pcitured are great finds, its obvious, they have no reasons to do these handsigns at political functions. the el diablo hand sign is used by rock/metal fans, and thus some celebs might just use this sign in order to look cool, anarchic, anti authority etc. with regards to the woman who used this in the formation of sign language, great find. the inclusions of anton la vey shows clearly that the el diablo handsign is satanic, and that the politicans are in on the satanic cabal.

heres a handsign i picked up, british celeb lilly allen. she is from a rich family involved in tv/music, she even attended same schools as some royals. and yet her public persona is street, and yet she went to top boarding schools.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7927/lillyhandsignrc6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Interesting info on Lily Allen there. didn't know that. I remember her Dad being portrayed as a real working class bloke.

Any one remember Fat Les - Vindaloo? - (Released 1998 as an unofficial alternate to the England World Cup Song) Lol.. just noticed Damien Hirst did his cover design. Aye.. how very working class/street. :rolleyes:

http://www.fatles.co.uk/fat-les-vindaloo-lyrics/

[thirdwave]

the thing is with stuff like this is of course she might not portray her self as what she is... she is a commercial music seller.. she does what she has to do to sell music... in her case she sings like a chav so they buy her music...

she is all about selling singles...

that being said, I have no idea who she is so i guess who knows..

I personally would never get aroused by a women who speaks like she sings .... so I find the whole thing quite frightening... people trying to sound thick to sell music! :eek:

[newspaceman]

Note the subject of change:

Rik's expose of the music industry -> Eric's expose of the music industry

Sorry to drag the thread wildly off-topic spaceman. My bad. As you were.

~Eric
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com


when ?

[newspaceman]

Go away troll

Yes, I got your abusive (and vulgar) pm's too.

Firstly, I am not sure what a troll is, is it someone who dares to question another with more postings than them, 'cause that is how it seems.

Lets get back to William, Crane, Red Ice etc and maybe we will get somewhere.

They walk (and write) amongst you

cheers

[newspaceman]

[QUOTE=frankanne;513310]I can't believe this thread. And I doubt any other sane human being would either.

We've got one poster saying that Prince William will be sacrificed. We've got another saying they believe Diana is still alive.

I mean, this is crazy stuff.

I see it as deliberate dis-info to discredit GENUINE questions about Rik's blog coming down back in June.

Now Rik's blog coming down in June need answers.

Yet all we've got here is a load of nonsense about Diana being alive, Prince William being sacrificed, etc. etc. etc.

How do you KNOW Di is dead ? - Not that I am saying she is not

'cause you saw it on the telly?

cheers

[haukipesukone]

The thread about Rik's blog was one of the first thread I read on this forum. I was captivated by it, although I wasn't sure what to make of it. Is it all real, is he faking it and all that?

His ideas felt genuine, and ingenious.

Then I heard he was dead. I instantly thought he was murdered, I didn't see any reason to suppose otherwise, because I think his blog's disappearance was evidence enough toward murder. Haven't yet seen much convincing evidence that he wasn't murdered.

I never knew him, so I'm kind of an outsider. I wasn't sure if I should come to this part of the forum. But as an outsider I have an outsider's view of the events that led to his death.

I'm now listening to the Ian Crane interview, and I'm appaled. Hendrik and Ian Crane make Rik sound like some immature amateur who didn't know what he was doing. I think they're just jealous, because Rik was some kind of genious and achieved so much in so little time. Much faster than either of the two.

So you can call me a paranoid vulture, but I'm not gonna accept the official story, and I see him as a person. That's why his death troubles me. I'm not saying we should go knocking on the door of his family and demand all the facts they have, but we should do all we can without causing more pain to those close to him.

Probably not all Rik said was right on the money. He didn't know everything, but he definitely knew something. He wasn't just some noob who lost his mind.

(I haven't read all of this thread yet, so I don't know if all of this has been said before.)


doesn't anyone else think he might have committed suicide but was driven to it, so it was practically a murder?

so it's not either he committed suicide or he was murdered but both.

That's how I see it as well.

[daveybpl]

I'm now listening to the Ian Crane interview, and I'm appaled. Hendrik and Ian Crane make Rik sound like some immature amateur who didn't know what he was doing. I think they're just jealous, because Rik was some kind of genious and achieved so much in so little time. Much faster than either of the two.


Is this the same interview? I couldn't disagree with you more. You have your opinion though and so do I.

Other than using the term vultures I though Henrik came across pretty mature and honest.

It''s weird how people digest information so differently to others.

[frankanne]

The thread about Rik's blog was one of the first thread I read on this forum. I was captivated by it, although I wasn't sure what to make of it. Is it all real, is he faking it and all that?

His ideas felt genuine, and ingenious.

Then I heard he was dead. I instantly thought he was murdered, I didn't see any reason to suppose otherwise, because I think his blog's disappearance was evidence enough toward murder. Haven't yet seen much convincing evidence that he wasn't murdered.

I never knew him, so I'm kind of an outsider. I wasn't sure if I should come to this part of the forum. But as an outsider I have an outsider's view of the events that led to his death.

I'm now listening to the Ian Crane interview, and I'm appaled. Hendrik and Ian Crane make Rik sound like some immature amateur who didn't know what he was doing. I think they're just jealous, because Rik was some kind of genious and achieved so much in so little time. Much faster than either of the two.

So you can call me a paranoid vulture, but I'm not gonna accept the official story, and I see him as a person. That's why his death troubles me. I'm not saying we should go knocking on the door of his family and demand all the facts they have, but we should do all we can without causing more pain to those close to him.

Probably not all Rik said was right on the money. He didn't know everything, but he definitely knew something. He wasn't just some noob who lost his mind.

(I haven't read all of this thread yet, so I don't know if all of this has been said before.)




That's how I see it as well.

Thanks Hauk, for having the guts to speak your mind. It's getting rarer and rarer for people to say what they believe, without being jumped on from a great height by a load of people screaming 'paranoid lunatic', 'nutter', 'vulture', etc.

I agree with everything you said - except the bit about you being an outsider. We are all 'outsiders' if by 'insider' you mean those who knew him in real life. We've had a few people post one or two messages saying they were friends of Rik's and in every case, they have been a bit 'down' on those of us who are suspicious about Rik's blog coming down.

It is precisely this 'vague disapproval' if you can call it that - in some cases it has been out and out nasty, like saying 'you will not be welcome at the funeral' type thing - a bit uncalled for, I feel.

I know that if it was my son, I would feel quite honoured and grateful that my son had touched so many people and affected them in the way that Rik did. I certainly wouldn't feel angry at them or feel that they were being disrespectful.

Anyway, the way I see it, is that those who are saying that Rik was not up to it, didn't have the inner strength that is needed, got it all a bit wrong by 'dumping lots of puzzle pieces' and confusing people. Ian Crane said that. That's what I find disrespectful.

Not a single one of Rik's friends or family have even spoken about his blog coming down. SUBJECT AVOIDED AT ALL COSTS. I have to ask myself - WHY??

Why concentrate on his death and make everyone feel guilty for even asking what went on? Why call us 'vultures'? Why tell us that we are being disrespectful, when I see it as the height of respect to care about a fellow human being who was somehow 'gagged' and then died. It is so unbelievably sad, the whole thing is so sad.

Thanks again for saying what you believe.

I believe Rik was threatened and that's why his blog came down. I don't know if Rik did it himself, or if someone else did it, but for months Rik went 'underground' and never did reappear. I don't know if he committed suicide because of all the threats he was getting, or whether he was actually killed. I am not of the mindset that says 'oh, how can you think such a terrible thing. There are no such horrible people who would kill another'. OF COURSE THERE ARE HORRIBLE PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD. What the f*** are we on this forum for, if it is not to try to stop the NWO.

I think some people lose sight of the bigger picture, and convince themselves that nasty things do not happen to people.

Well they do. And it happened to Rik. And we sort of witnessed the PROCEDURE of it. That's what makes it difficult.

[frankanne]

Is this the same interview? I couldn't disagree with you more. You have your opinion though and so do I.

Other than using the term vultures I though Henrik came across pretty mature and honest.

It''s weird how people digest information so differently to others.

Yes it is weird isn't it davey? Did you not hear Ian Crane saying that he felt Rik had 'dumped' loads of irrelevent puzzle pieces on top of good, honest puzzle pieces?

Did you not hear Ian Cran talking about a donkey ride from London to Edinburgh?

What's that saying? They look but they don't see. They listen but they don't hear.

[thirdwave]

Is this the same interview? I couldn't disagree with you more. You have your opinion though and so do I.

Other than using the term vultures I though Henrik came across pretty mature and honest.

It''s weird how people digest information so differently to others.


I heard the same one as you did.

[daveybpl]

What's that saying? They look but they don't see. They listen but they don't hear.

Oh that must be me you're talking about:)

I can only tell you like i see it dude, and for the record I'm a fan of Rik's work, yes even before he died. Even bought the t-shirt.

I'm going to continue looking into Rik's story and continue to use my 'own' mind to work out what I think. I'm not going to jump on any bandwagon's and I'm not going to instanly disagree with certain forum members because I didn't agree with with what they've said on other threads.

Just to make sure I'm going to listen to the interviews again this week;)

[edelweiss pirate]

Don't let feelings and bias distort your view of the truth.

Crane knows what he's talking about.

For a serious researcher and kundalini wave surfer, suicide is an occuptional hazard.

The truth should come first, not emotionalism.

Maybe poor Rik was killed or maybe not.

I have always said kundalini risks suicide. It happened to me, I nearly threw myself out of a bedroom window once.... don't ask.

Some people think they're the messiah, some think they're God, some join the masons and others kill themselves..... a few, get through with their marbles intact... but not many....

The lesson we should learn from this is that we should not be afraid to discuss our deep feelings and we as a forum should be prepared for that...

I get the feeling we really hardly know each other at all.

I wish I'd known what Rik was going through, I'd have done anything in my power to help him.

Still, Rik is still out there, just at the end of his earth experience.

I do suggest listening to Crane with an open mind, as a fellow kundalini surfer, his words ring true, though you may dislike what he says... even if it's true?

[jojo]

Don't let feelings and bias distort your view of the truth.

Crane knows what he's talking about.

For a serious researcher and kundalini wave surfer, suicide is an occuptional hazard.
The truth should come first, not emotionalism.

Maybe poor Rik was killed or maybe not.

I have always said kundalini risks suicide. It happened to me, I nearly threw myself out of a bedroom window once.... don't ask.

Some people think they're the messiah, some think they're God, some join the masons and others kill themselves..... a few, get through with their marbles intact... but not many....

The lesson we should learn from this is that we should not be afraid to discuss our deep feelings and we as a forum should be prepared for that...

I get the feeling we really hardly know each other at all.

I wish I'd known what Rik was going through, I'd have done anything in my power to help him.
Still, Rik is still out there, just at the end of his earth experience.

I do suggest listening to Crane with an open mind, as a fellow kundalini surfer, his words ring true, though you may dislike what he says... even if it's true?

really good post EP. I have highlighted parts of your post that really struck me. well said.

[edelweiss pirate]

really good post EP. I have highlighted parts of your post that really struck me. well said.

Thanks Jojo.....

I just feel like I missed a trick and wish I could have done something to help....

I'm trying to make sense of the death of one of our own but some things just don't make sense....

Again, I don't know if he was killed or not..... or if he even went on a kundalini mission, but judging from the inspirational nature of his insights I suggest he was 'way out there' surfing the void...

[synergy777]

edel how are you bro, hope everything is cool.

i will be in london soon, want to meet up again.

also back to the kundalini, i am noob to this. how does one activate the kundalini, what process does one have to undergo. i am starting to get into the whole pineal/pitutarity gland stuff. i want to learn about kundalini, chakras etc. so if anyone has any good links, pdfs etc, please can you share them with me.

only yesterday i as reading about the pineal gland, kundalini, thinking i needed more info, and edel you show up, synchronicity bro.

[edelweiss pirate]

edel how are you bro, hope everything is cool.

i will be in london soon, want to meet up again.

also back to the kundalini, i am noob to this. how does one activate the kundalini, what process does one have to undergo. i am starting to get into the whole pineal/pitutarity gland stuff. i want to learn about kundalini, chakras etc. so if anyone has any good links, pdfs etc, please can you share them with me.

only yesterday i as reading about the pineal gland, kundalini, thinking i needed more info, and edel you show up, synchronicity bro.


Hi Synergy.... RU out in middle east as planned? If you can make it to London that would be great....

Anyone else fancy meeting up for a few ales?


RE: How do you activate the pineal gland etc.... Focus on it.

Start with meditation etc...

As for the Kundalini business well, it's like finding a pathway, you have to look for it.... the funny thing is the masons are kind of watchers of those who seek and they get involved in your life too. They create fear and stress in your life which pushes you further and further into a point of no return....

When at the crossroads some join the masons (left hand path) while those whose hearts are true manage to break free and become free agents for good. If you get asked to join MI5 I suggest you say 'no'. It'll happen once you're on the path. Joining a gang who own your freewill is the surest way to lose the game. If you fancy having an agent in your head telling you what to do and where to go at all hours then by all means become a spy. Sounds like hell to me... still, that's one side of the kundalini enlightenment and provides a stream of recruits for the occult security services that think they're running the country.

Anyone out there been there?

[synergy777]

Hi Synergy.... RU out in middle east as planned? If you can make it to London that would be great....

Anyone else fancy meeting up for a few ales?


RE: How do you activate the pineal gland etc.... Focus on it.

Start with meditation etc...

As for the Kundalini business well, it's like finding a pathway, you have to look for it.... the funny thing is the masons are kind of watchers of those who seek and they get involved in your life too. They create fear and stress in your life which pushes you further and further into a point of no return....

When at the crossroads some join the masons (left hand path) while those whose hearts are true manage to break free and become free agents for good.

Anyone out there been there?

still in the uk, due to the credit crunch fallout, its hitting the fan, thus the models/algorithims i work on have to be changed to accurately simulate the current/future economic climate. thats why i knew 3 years ago what was about to happen, lol.

do you reccomend any books, websites on the kundalini stuff. as i think if i want to improve, i have to start with myself first. collecting info, copy and pasting is ok, but in order to do it properly, one must start at the bottom/foundation, and that to me is myself/mind/spirit. i now genuinely want to do this stuff, so far i have been casual, sloppy, lazy etc.

after i have started the kundalini stuff, my performace will improve, i will start to operate at a better level. i am tired of being stuck in 1st gear, and i now have the drive to start the hard work of improving myself. to me the journey has just begun, its my first day.

phoenix from the ashes, lol

[haukipesukone]

I think some people lose sight of the bigger picture, and convince themselves that nasty things do not happen to people.


That's probably it. "Bad stuff only happens to people I don't know." That cliché. Glad somebody agrees with me.


daveybpl, I guess it doesn't matter how we view Rik's death, as long as we remember him and his work, and try to expand on that knowledge.

I don't really know anything about kundalini. Should find out more I guess.
That Crane guy didn't really give a good impression of himself to me. Although I just listened to the first part of the interview. He talked about a lot of interesting stuff, but how he treated Rik's research left a bad taste in my mouth.

[edelweiss pirate]

still in the uk, due to the credit crunch fallout, its hitting the fan, thus the models/algorithims i work on have to be changed to accurately simulate the current/future economic climate. thats why i knew 3 years ago what was about to happen, lol.

do you reccomend any books, websites on the kundalini stuff. as i think if i want to improve, i have to start with myself first. collecting info, copy and pasting is ok, but in order to do it properly, one must start at the bottom/foundation, and that to me is myself/mind/spirit. i now genuinely want to do this stuff, so far i have been casual, sloppy, lazy etc.

after i have started the kundalini stuff, my performace will improve, i will start to operate at a better level. i am tired of being stuck in 1st gear, and i now have the drive to start the hard work of improving myself. to me the journey has just begun, its my first day.

phoenix from the ashes, lol

Two books you might look at:

The Egyptian book of the dead (various authors)
The Chasm of fire by Irene Tweedle, story of training with a Sufi master...

And most Hollywood science fiction films these days deal with Kundalini themes: Eternal Sunshine, The Matrix, Jacob's ladder....

There's loads of material once you recognise it as such. A lot of movies are actually initiations into levels of knowledge..... Some of it can come back to haunt you tho.

[synergy777]

what about arthur avalons serpent power, i found it on the chakras crystallink page.

[frankanne]

..
When at the crossroads some join the masons (left hand path) while those whose hearts are true manage to break free and become free agents for good. If you get asked to join MI5 I suggest you say 'no'. It'll happen once you're on the path. Joining a gang who own your freewill is the surest way to lose the game. If you fancy having an agent in your head telling you what to do and where to go at all hours then by all means become a spy. Sounds like hell to me... still, that's one side of the kundalini enlightenment and provides a stream of recruits for the occult security services that think they're running the country.

Anyone out there been there?

I'm not bible thumping here, but could this be one of the reasons christians are warned to steer well clear of anything occult?

You say that 'one side of the kundalini enlightenment' is to join the masons and become a spy? Enlightenment?

You say that those whose hearts are true 'manage to break free'.

Sounds dodgy stuff to me, especially in light of the way the masons work, i.e. give due warning and then if someone still goes ahead with something, it is seen as though that person has INVITED whatever happens. it's like 'honour' has been maintained, because it is there 'hidden in full view' type thing.

[armoured_amazon]

I'm not bible thumping here, but could this be one of the reasons christians are warned to steer well clear of anything occult?

Yes.

[daveybpl]

The way I see it, the PTB have acess lot of hidden knowledge on Kundalini/Magic/Occult practices and don't want to share it, they want it all for themselves. They know in the right hands their knowledge could be used by the common man for great things.

And they sure don't want the common man to be enlightened.

[daveybpl]

daveybpl, I guess it doesn't matter how we view Rik's death, as long as we remember him and his work, and try to expand on that knowledge.


Agreed;)

[montag]

The thread about Rik's blog was one of the first thread I read on this forum. I was captivated by it, although I wasn't sure what to make of it. Is it all real, is he faking it and all that?

His ideas felt genuine, and ingenious.

Then I heard he was dead. I instantly thought he was murdered, I didn't see any reason to suppose otherwise, because I think his blog's disappearance was evidence enough toward murder. Haven't yet seen much convincing evidence that he wasn't murdered.

I never knew him, so I'm kind of an outsider. I wasn't sure if I should come to this part of the forum. But as an outsider I have an outsider's view of the events that led to his death.

I'm now listening to the Ian Crane interview, and I'm appaled. Hendrik and Ian Crane make Rik sound like some immature amateur who didn't know what he was doing. I think they're just jealous, because Rik was some kind of genious and achieved so much in so little time. Much faster than either of the two.

So you can call me a paranoid vulture, but I'm not gonna accept the official story, and I see him as a person. That's why his death troubles me. I'm not saying we should go knocking on the door of his family and demand all the facts they have, but we should do all we can without causing more pain to those close to him.

Probably not all Rik said was right on the money. He didn't know everything, but he definitely knew something. He wasn't just some noob who lost his mind.
I listened to the interview last night and Hendrik did seem quite patronizing, calling people here paranoid and suggesting we need to go out and have a few drinks and forget about all this stuff, I have my doubts about Red-Ice anyway so no surprises there.

One thing that came to me thinking about this last night though was this quote from Bertrand Russell from his book written over seventy odd years ago called "The scientific outlook"


"On those rare occasions, when a boy or girl who has passed the age at which it is usual to determine social status shows such marked ability as to seem the intellectual equal of the rulers, a difficult situation will arise, requiring serious consideration. If the youth is content to abandon his previous associates and to throw in his lot whole-heartedly with the rulers, he may, after suitable tests, be promoted, but if he shows any regrettable solidarity with his previous associates, the rulers will reluctantly conclude that there is nothing to be done with him except to send him to the lethal chamber before his ill-disciplined intelligence has had time to spread revolt. This will be a painful duty to the rulers, but I think they will not shrink from performing it."

[thirdwave]

The way I see it, the PTB have acess lot of hidden knowledge on Kundalini/Magic/Occult practices and don't want to share it, they want it all for themselves. They know in the right hands their knowledge could be used by the common man for great things.

And they sure don't want the common man to be enlightened.

I think some people are not up for this stuff because efforts have been made to make man kind not very good at it, not able to deal with it....

some people are genuinely afraid of feeling free... it freaks them out... the thing is, in most cases, if somone has a bad expirience with it, they will think it is no good or evil.. not that they where unable to cope with what it was due to the programming they have had in this world.

I think Rik would have been the type to cope with that stuff quite well as he was cleary inspired by it, so i don't think its a case of him not being ready for it, I just think he may have been targeted quite allot... and maybe just a lack of experience in dealing with such attacks..

[frankanne]

I listened to the interview last night and Hendrik did seem quite patronizing, calling people here paranoid and suggesting we need to go out and have a few drinks and forget about all this stuff, I have my doubts about Red-Ice anyway so no surprises there.

One thing that came to me thinking about this last night though was this quote from Bertrand Russell from his book written over seventy odd years ago called "The scientific outlook"

On those rare occasions, when a boy or girl who has passed the age at which it is usual to determine social status shows such marked ability as to seem the intellectual equal of the rulers, a difficult situation will arise, requiring serious consideration. If the youth is content to abandon his previous associates and to throw in his lot whole-heartedly with the rulers, he may, after suitable tests, be promoted, but if he shows any regrettable solidarity with his previous associates, the rulers will reluctantly conclude that there is nothing to be done with him except to send him to the lethal chamber before his ill-disciplined intelligence has had time to spread revolt. This will be a painful duty to the rulers, but I think they will not shrink from performing it."
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that's really weird isn't it? I'll try to get that book. it's always good to get a handle on the way these masons think.

Hi thirdwave. You said "I just think he may have been targeted quite allot... "
Who or what do you think would target him?

[daveybpl]

I have my doubts about Red-Ice anyway so no surprises there.
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Seems like and odd thing for a forum advisor to say

As a friend reminded earlier, Red Ice have certainly helped Icke get his his message across by Interviewing him a few times and pushing the his big brother interview.

You have your views though dude. I personally think think Henrik and Fredrick are doing it for the right reasons.

[frankanne]

On those rare occasions, when a boy or girl who has passed the age at which it is usual to determine social status shows such marked ability as to seem the intellectual equal of the rulers, a difficult situation will arise, requiring serious consideration. If the youth is content to abandon his previous associates and to throw in his lot whole-heartedly with the rulers, he may, after suitable tests, be promoted, but if he shows any regrettable solidarity with his previous associates, the rulers will reluctantly conclude that there is nothing to be done with him except to send him to the lethal chamber before his ill-disciplined intelligence has had time to spread revolt. This will be a painful duty to the rulers, but I think they will not shrink from performing it."
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that's really weird isn't it? I'll try to get that book. it's always good to get a handle on the way these masons think.

Hi thirdwave. You said "I just think he may have been targeted quite allot... "
Who or what do you think would target him?


Hi Montag. That quote from Bertram Russell, have you any idea what the 'lethal chamber' is? I haven't read the book, so I don't know if it is explained more fully in there.

Also regarding Red Ice. Ian made a post on here saying that Red Ice was funded by AOL. I did ask him to clarify this, but as far as I can see there was no reply. Does anyone know if this is true?

[thirdwave]

Hi Montag. That quote from Bertram Russell, have you any idea what the 'lethal chamber' is? I haven't read the book, so I don't know if it is explained more fully in there.

Also regarding Red Ice. Ian made a post on here saying that Red Ice was funded by AOL. I did ask him to clarify this, but as far as I can see there was no reply. Does anyone know if this is true?

E mail them and ask, when ever I have emailed them I have always received a reply... alternatively why not leave them a message on their forum, they post on there a fair bit...

Not that they are obliged to let the whole world know about their financial situation.

I judge them by their fruit..... A radio station that has provided a platform for researchers of all kinds around the globe to speak out... that's all I need to know..

[armoured_amazon]

I judge them by their fruit..... A radio station that has provided a platform for researchers of all kinds around the globe to speak out... that's all I need to know..

Perhaps you should apply that kind of thinking to others. ;)

[thirdwave]

Perhaps you should apply that kind of thinking to others. ;)

I do. Freedom is my no 1 priority always.

including the right to present alternative facts about powerful institutions.

[armoured_amazon]

I do. Freedom is my no 1 priority always.

including the right to present alternative facts about powerful institutions.

Always the get out clause, eh? LOL.

[foleybhoy]

too many of us get bent out of shape when we hear something we disagree with.
its fair enough to have disagreements, but dont spend too much time on it. few of us will agree 100% on things all the time, so keep focused on the job at hand, researching and getting the info out and make of it what you will.

peace and love

[newspaceman]

E mail them and ask, when ever I have emailed them I have always received a reply... alternatively why not leave them a message on their forum, they post on there a fair bit...

Not that they are obliged to let the whole world know about their financial situation.

I judge them by their fruit..... A radio station that has provided a platform for researchers of all kinds around the globe to speak out... that's all I need to know..

Sorry, but maybe your "fruit" is bad apples, do you know for sure what good ones taste like ?

cheers

[lizzy]

I do. Freedom is my no 1 priority always.

including the right to present alternative facts about powerful institutions.


LOL......:rolleyes:.......:eek::eek:.........:D

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Crane the incredulous

.......the day I believe that the physical body is possessed whilst drunk and the reason it does'nt feel pain if you fall down the stairs ect...is toally off their rocker......alcohol acts as an anathestic.....you WILL feel the pain in the morning, LOL......

[thirdwave]

Sorry, but maybe your "fruit" is bad apples, do you know for sure what good ones taste like ?

cheers


normally when you eat them your taste buds trigger a vibration to your brain which is then decoded into another vibration and will leave you either pleased with it or not pleased with it... this is normally effective for me and easy to determine the good taste and the bad taste.. if you have a blocked nose it might make the results less accurate.