Is astrology an illusion?

[lostinstrangeworld]

(I just posted this on an astrology forum).


I'm going to be cheeky here and share these thoughts I've been having...about whether astrology might simply be an illusion. Sure, the moon has been shown scientifically to affect us, and magnetic influences from the planets definitely have some impact too.... but how accurate is astrology?

Surely each person can relate in some way to each description of the zodiac signs, I know I can.

So what if, in reality, we are all of them?

As David Icke comically put it....the voice that spoke to him during his Ayhuasca experience- asked him if he though The Infinite sat down to have its horoscope read. We are all infinite. We are all of them....all of the zodiac signs.

Because when we read the description of our sign or our natal chart, because we believe in it, even at some level, could it simply be a self fulfilling prophecy? That we start to act like it, more and more?

Before anybody gets ready to chastise me, please allow me to confess.... I have not made my mind up yet. http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x268/AmelieJolie7/animals_laughingPuppy.gif

[element]

Don't read the newspaper or magazine ones. Try out a serious birth chart perhaps?

[makemyday]

Well, I didn't actually believe in horoscopes and dreams, until I noticed it all fulfills, at least I am given a chance to change my nearest future... :D and it works!

[awakensong]

As David Icke comically put it....the voice that spoke to him during his Ayhuasca experience- asked him if he though The Infinite sat down to have its horoscope read. We are all infinite. We are all of them....all of the zodiac signs.

Does the Infinite take ayajuasca in order to channel itself?

[lostinstrangeworld]

Does the Infinite take ayajuasca in order to channel itself?

Nice one! :D :D

[awakensong]

This is where I have a problem with David Icke.

His message = All religions are false, including New Age.

His practice = New Age religion.

His message = We are all One. You cannot name the One.

His practice = Calling it "the Infinite" -- giving us a sense of duality and separation.

[amercury]

I think of astrology as just a tool of divination.
I think it can be expansive because there is so much valuable information to be gleamed from it.
Yet I think it is limiting (therefore an illusion) because of the reason the OP points out about self fulfilling prophecies.
There are infinite possibilities to what we choose as our reality every moment, so we are really free. Astrology readings applied to people confine them to certain possibilities.

thats my tuppance:p

[biblegirl]

This is where I have a problem with David Icke.

His message = All religions are false, including New Age.

His practice = New Age religion.

His message = We are all One. You cannot name the One.

His practice = Calling it "the Infinite" -- giving us a sense of duality and separation.

Is there a thread on this? Those are good questions.

[orbandsceptre27]

As within so without!

[sade]

Astrology is a great tool to learn more about yourself and others.
It can be used for good and bad.
But is it an illusion? Isn't everything an illusion in the end?

I've gotten a lot of help from astrology and use it all the time.
(birth-chart astrology, of course. ;)

[gordysmit]

Like the book the secret "LAW OF ATTRACTION" I have started to studie pagans and stuff like that is it bad?

[marpat]

(I just posted this on an astrology forum).


I'm going to be cheeky here and share these thoughts I've been having...about whether astrology might simply be an illusion. Sure, the moon has been shown scientifically to affect us, and magnetic influences from the planets definitely have some impact too.... but how accurate is astrology?

Surely each person can relate in some way to each description of the zodiac signs, I know I can.

So what if, in reality, we are all of them?

As David Icke comically put it....the voice that spoke to him during his Ayhuasca experience- asked him if he though The Infinite sat down to have its horoscope read. We are all infinite. We are all of them....all of the zodiac signs.

Because when we read the description of our sign or our natal chart, because we believe in it, even at some level, could it simply be a self fulfilling prophecy? That we start to act like it, more and more?

Before anybody gets ready to chastise me, please allow me to confess.... I have not made my mind up yet. http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x268/AmelieJolie7/animals_laughingPuppy.gif

I dont think that each person can relate to all other signs, etc. If this was true then people would be able to understand each other rather than finding they have self aspects that grind on each other, etc. How many people do you not understand, who seem to act and think in a way that seems weird? if this is due to astrological influences then we would have to say that people cannot relate to all aspects. What I would say is that as microcosms we hold all these things within our being but we only manifest cerain aspects while we are averse or neutral to other parts of our own being. Perhaps the only time a person can truly relate to all of these aspects is when they have become spiritully whole.

Astrology only shows certain influences but the real power is in the will to choose what you want to do. This is the difference between an aware and an unaware person.

[marpat]

This is where I have a problem with David Icke.

His message = All religions are false, including New Age.

His practice = New Age religion.

His message = We are all One. You cannot name the One.

His practice = Calling it "the Infinite" -- giving us a sense of duality and separation.

I can see what you are saying here. Although he has criticised religion he has actually taken a lot of parts of various religions to use in his theories. For example, he uses the chakra theory which used to be part of the secret tantras of Hinduism, and which were not originally for public interest. The chakra theory is not absolutely true in the sense that we all have seven chakras of certain colours. Also, when he talks of infinite love is this not the same as saying God is love? is this infinite love part of the universe and if so then we are attuning to something greater than ourselves, ergo God. Is this infinite love intelligent or is it just a force that is directed by our own limited human minds? He also discusses helping the reptilians by sending them love vibes which is no different to religious people trying to send love out into the world. Personally I think there are too many parallels between his own beliefs and those of many world religions but the terminology has changed slightly.

[chromeranger]

I think of astrology as just a tool of divination.
I think it can be expansive because there is so much valuable information to be gleamed from it.
Yet I think it is limiting (therefore an illusion) because of the reason the OP points out about self fulfilling prophecies.
There are infinite possibilities to what we choose as our reality every moment, so we are really free. Astrology readings applied to people confine them to certain possibilities.

thats my tuppance:p

Astrology in itself has so many avenues and dimensions, and I can say most methods of divination out there today are misleading and inaccurately applied psychology. It is also a consciousness thing, such as feeling each day the different influences of the planets and stars on the human psychology and behaviour. Then there is the inherited character from birth, ie the 'lucky souls' with advanced awareness.
Because each planet in the solar system holds its own vibrational frequency and the geometry of the alignment with earth pulls different strings so to say. Having said that the will is always more powerful than any astrological influences, and we aren't just mindless puppets (although some people seem to be lol) roaming around.

[haukipesukone]

I'm going to be cheeky here and share these thoughts I've been having...about whether astrology might simply be an illusion.


Interesting idea. I think you're right, ultimately, but at least for now most of us still inhabit this illusory world where I believe astrology to be true. Meaning that as long as we live as fleshy humanoids in our bodies horoscopes do affect us, but if we we're to truly go beyond the physical they would be as illusory to us as matter or time.

A few years ago I would've said horoscopes are crap, or sort of interesting pseudo-mysticism at best. But every once in a while I like to check compatibility horoscopes on the net, both western and Chinese. And they seem quite plausible. I've been watching Michael Tsarion videos lately (along with some others). His arguments seem convincing that there is something to astrology, although not necessarily what I think.

A couple of weeks ago I tried to find out my moon sign and came to this site http://lunarium.co.uk/sign.php
I think the description of my sign was very accurate and fit me almost perfectly. Not the usual generic description that fits everyone at least sort of.

And just now I was checking the Chinese horoscopes on this page
http://www.west-meet-east.com/horcom.htm
There's this chart:
http://www.west-meet-east.com/c1h1014.gif
Then I noticed the following comment:
For a husband and wife, parent and children or brother and sister relationship that falls under such combination, there will be quite frequent disagreements.
It made me think maybe I should check my horoscope's relationship with my mom's and brother's. I did, and the chart seems explain very well why we had frequent disagreements when we lived under the same roof.

I know it could just co-incidence or self-delusion, but I'm beginning to believe in horoscopes.



Before anybody gets ready to chastise me, please allow me to confess.... I have not made my mind up yet. http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x268/AmelieJolie7/animals_laughingPuppy.gif


Cute puppy.


His message = We are all One. You cannot name the One.

His practice = Calling it "the Infinite" -- giving us a sense of duality and separation.

Sounds very Taoistic to me.