The diet thread...

[chris]

Currently I weigh 11 stone 9 lbs...Or 167 lbs.

I'll weight myself again in the morning to get a more accurate weight.

I'm not trying to lose weight, I'm just trying to detox and I know by doing that I'm going to be losing weight in the process...

Since I haven't got a word processor to save my progress, I might as well record my weightloss on here...

I think I'll gun for 10 stone and then I'll try to build back up again on nuts and seeds.

I'm going to be doing the diet laid out in "Eat to live" by Joel Furmen or the diet by Caldwell Esselstyn...He lays out the diet nicely in the video below...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5215695644951404318&ei=pkDASITJB4PijAL9zJWOCQ&q=heart+attack+proof

It's basically the ape diet or the pre-historic human diet when our bones were 3 times stronger than they are now...

Anyone else is very welcome to post their progress on this thread also...

[chris]

Okay, now it's morning and I weigh 161.2 lbs...

[astral_girl]

good luck with it :D

[astral_girl]

have bookmarked video -going watch it later :)

[loderlive]

I haven't got a word processor to save my progress

Google docs.

[chris]

have bookmarked video -going watch it later :)

I just watched this video...It's probably more down to earth and interesting...Caldwell really focussed on sick patients.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4744133085533483725&ei=JHPBSKWqAoKQjQKywIm3CQ&q=raw+food

[chris]

157.8lbs

[cheetahgrace]

And how do you 'feel' on your new diet?

[chris]

I'm going to post some good raw veg stuff I've tried...

I'm not sure if this is the recipe my friend used but it actually sounds better as it's got nuts in...I'll try and post my friends recipe at a later date. This lady doesn't look 35...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMdukV-_vhE

Banana ice cream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGXXLlRY77M

I've had this cashew cream with dates...Tastes amazing. Although what I ate didn't have vanilla and cinnamon added (although sounds like a very good idea)...You can also use this for salads; it sounds strange but when I come across the video where they talk about it, you'll understand why
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwW8loY0Ftg

[chris]

Feel free to add your own RAW recipes. Only ones you've personally tried...

[chris]

And how do you 'feel' on your new diet?

Pretty normal...It's only like my third day...I don't really crave stuff anymore as I've done a lot of dieting in my past...This raw diet is different though as I'm focussing on getting tons of nutrition whereas before, I was restricting my diet...

I have noticed my dreams are very healing and stuff that I thought I got over years ago has surfaced in my dreams...Also in my dreams other dream people are commenting on my physique.

I have also noticed that I'm giving a lot more facial expressions away in my body language...It is a bit like when your on mushrooms but not as powerful.

Anyway, I'm just at the very start so it's not going to be terribly interesting at the moment...

[chris]

155.8lbs

[pacoquerak]

hey. I suggest that you soak or sprout your seeds and nuts or soak and then re dehydrate them at raw temperatures. these fermentation processes make them much more digestable and remove the enzyme inhibitors which make your body produce more enzymes. However nuts and seeds also have some of the greatest content of enzymes so once the enzyme inhibitors are gone you will be getting more enzymes instead of less!

also, it makes them taste a lot better, i am not for instance all that interested in nuts, but when i soak and dehydrate almonds for a recepy i find it hard to stop consuming them and ever getting around to actualy making the recepy!

also all the recepies you listed contain a fair amount of sugar which can be really addictive esspecialy when you are detoxing like you are now



so raw recepies? well if you soak some nuts, dehydrate them and mix them with some good ol cold pressed oil in a powerful food processor you will get a nut butter that will be totaly awsome for spreading plain on raw vegetables non stop, man this is making me hungry...

[chris]

Thanks for the advice man...Yes, I do sprout as well...

I only posted those recipes because someone asked me to as my friend is also on a raw diet and has the need for something a bit more fancy...I'm literally munching on lettuce:D

[pacoquerak]

Thanks for the advice man...Yes, I do sprout as well...

I only posted those recipes because someone asked me to as my friend is also on a raw diet and has the need for something a bit more fancy...I'm literally munching on lettuce:D

actuly silly me, i used to make that kind of stuff when i quit eating dairy. Not that i buy dairy at the grocery store now, i do however have a raw cheese share from a good local dairy my boss got me without asking.. which i enjoy i guess heh. Ok but to the point i liked to take frozen fruit (i have tried rasberries and black rasberries, blue berries and peaches, all good but blue berries were labor intensive cause their so dang hard when frozen) mixed with cashues and a bit of honey. Old family recepy from my granny. Esspecialy the peach part which is when it comes out the best. I needed a really powerful blender and everyone really loved the taste.

so i'm not trying to dis that stuff it's just all the recpies you posted were sweet thats all lol.

you ever eat raw honey? that has more enzymes i'm pretty sure than any food there is and it's sooo tasty i can eat it with a spoon any time by itself if i'm not careful lol...

[chris]

155.4lbs

[chris]

actuly silly me, i used to make that kind of stuff when i quit eating dairy. Not that i buy dairy at the grocery store now, i do however have a raw cheese share from a good local dairy my boss got me without asking.. which i enjoy i guess heh. Ok but to the point i liked to take frozen fruit (i have tried rasberries and black rasberries, blue berries and peaches, all good but blue berries were labor intensive cause their so dang hard when frozen) mixed with cashues and a bit of honey. Old family recepy from my granny. Esspecialy the peach part which is when it comes out the best. I needed a really powerful blender and everyone really loved the taste.

so i'm not trying to dis that stuff it's just all the recpies you posted were sweet thats all lol.

you ever eat raw honey? that has more enzymes i'm pretty sure than any food there is and it's sooo tasty i can eat it with a spoon any time by itself if i'm not careful lol...

I agree, there's always a transitional phase and you don't want to go too far because there's a risk of going completely in the opposite direction...

No, I've not tried Raw honey, at least I don't think...I have some live manuka honey, does that count? I'll look out for it next time;)

[pacoquerak]

I agree, there's always a transitional phase and you don't want to go too far because there's a risk of going completely in the opposite direction...

No, I've not tried Raw honey, at least I don't think...I have some live manuka honey, does that count? I'll look out for it next time;)


wiki'd it

Manuka New Zealand Manuka honey is from bees who feed on the flowers of the Manuka bush, also known as the "Tea Tree" to produce a honey that has anti-bacterial properties. Tea tree oil is commonly from the related Melaleuca tree native to Australia and is used as a topical antibiotic and antifungal for wounds that fail to close

so it just means it comes from bees who only had access to that type of flower. The fact that it was live suggests to me it was raw. Was it very buttery in texture? this is how raw honey normaly is, very very thick

[chris]

I don't think it will hold it's form when fresh...

155lbs...

[pacoquerak]

I don't think it will hold it's form when fresh...

155lbs...

mine does and it doesn't, affter i scoop it out, some of it pools in the middle and forms a flat surface while in other places it clings to the side

raw honey never goes bad, there is honey that is thousands of years old found in jars that is still edible. it changes the longer you keep it and the flavors keep getting richer

[chris]

Interesting I'm 155.8lbs again...

Could be obvious reasons of water retention and all other things not taken into account but I've heard of many women on a raw diet going down in dress size but actually going up in weight.

Yesterday I had a total of about 1700calories which is more than usual on this diet but still I didn't expect to add weight...Anyway, still early days so we'll see what happens in the days/weeks to come...

[chris]

154.8lbs:D

[pacoquerak]

oh my dad reminded me, the honey was found in the pyramids lol!

[chris]

155.4

[megafish33]

Cool idea on keeping a log, I'm on a new "diet" and made some changes in my training and have found that writing stuff down help.

Congrats on your recent successes Chris!

Here are some recipes that I personally use. Although I'm a meat eater these are both raw and vegan so anyone can use them. They do, however, use grains, which some may be opposed to since they're not a "natural" food for us or whatever.

Here's a three course power meal...

Soup:

Grains n' Greens I call it...

Take some of your favorite kale, raw whole oat groats(they should look sort of like brown rice; they're not the steamed and flattened ones), a little whole black pepper and place in a blender or food processor with just enough spring water to cover and blend into soup. You can use warmed water if you like, I enjoy it chilled. Shred purple cabbage, beets, carrots, and chop yellow bell peppers then add them all as a garnish. If this is still very cooling to you and the sun is out just let it sit out for a few minutes and warm up.

Kale is a excellent source of carotene, chlorophyll, calcium, b-vitamins, and has an extremely high ORAC score.

Oats are high in antioxidants, IP-6, phenolic acids, avenanthramides, vitamin e, zinc, especially active B6 vitamins which increase serotonin, calm the mind, sooth the digestive tract, etc.

If you're scared to eat oats raw you can always make a yogurt out of them by fermenting them and using that with your kale base instead. Useful if you crave something sour and/or creamy once in a while... Mix with raw honey for a treat.

Salad:

Take some spinach and chop it up, take a tangerine or two and separate the sections, place everything in a big bowl. Squeeze a bit of fresh orange(or just use the juice that came out from breaking up the tangerine) on it, and grind fresh black pepper.

Muesli:

Take some raw whole oats, rye, or wheat (they should all look very similar in their natural state) and grind them coarsely in a strong blender, or mill, or food processor... I prefer something not as fine as flour, but if that's what you like go for it. Add to a bowl with just enough spring water to cover and let it stand until it soaks up the water... shouldn't be that long with these types of grains. You can soak with some saffron threads, add grated ginger root, nuts and seeds, grated carrots, grated apples, sweet red peppers chopped up, just about anything you want.

All of these dishes are high in water, fiber, and rich in amino acids in the form of enzymes. I have found them to promote muscular development and assist with endurance in a lipolysis inducing diet/lifestyle. Enjoy. :)

[carsick]

people of the uk , do you think that all that cheap fruit an veg thats always recently on offer at tesco has been tamperd with , GMO or anything dirty? mean 80p for a melon:confused:

[chris]

154.8lbs

[zarah]

people of the uk , do you think that all that cheap fruit an veg thats always recently on offer at tesco has been tamperd with , GMO or anything dirty? mean 80p for a melon:confused:

And how much do you think a melon should cost? I mean seriously, how much can a melon cost to grow and transport? I understand what youre saying about what supermarkets do with fresh food to prolong its shelf life but I don't think the price can be a measure.

I don't think I could do a raw food diet, but amazing progress, fella.

[chris]

Well I'm not looking for weightloss...I am pretty skinny as it is. I am surprised that I've kept my weight just on this diet because I'm not eating many calories at all...I'm now pretty interested to see if I can put weight on just with this diet...

Some interesting things are that my meditations are very strong...I sleep like a baby and my dreams are amazing.

[chris]

153.8lbs

[astral_girl]

Cool idea on keeping a log, I'm on a new "diet" and made some changes in my training and have found that writing stuff down help.

Congrats on your recent successes Chris!

Here are some recipes that I personally use. Although I'm a meat eater these are both raw and vegan so anyone can use them. They do, however, use grains, which some may be opposed to since they're not a "natural" food for us or whatever.

Here's a three course power meal...

Soup:

Grains n' Greens I call it...

Take some of your favorite kale, raw whole oat groats(they should look sort of like brown rice; they're not the steamed and flattened ones), a little whole black pepper and place in a blender or food processor with just enough spring water to cover and blend into soup. You can use warmed water if you like, I enjoy it chilled. Shred purple cabbage, beets, carrots, and chop yellow bell peppers then add them all as a garnish. If this is still very cooling to you and the sun is out just let it sit out for a few minutes and warm up.

Kale is a excellent source of carotene, chlorophyll, calcium, b-vitamins, and has an extremely high ORAC score.

Oats are high in antioxidants, IP-6, phenolic acids, avenanthramides, vitamin e, zinc, especially active B6 vitamins which increase serotonin, calm the mind, sooth the digestive tract, etc.

If you're scared to eat oats raw you can always make a yogurt out of them by fermenting them and using that with your kale base instead. Useful if you crave something sour and/or creamy once in a while... Mix with raw honey for a treat.

Salad:

Take some spinach and chop it up, take a tangerine or two and separate the sections, place everything in a big bowl. Squeeze a bit of fresh orange(or just use the juice that came out from breaking up the tangerine) on it, and grind fresh black pepper.

Muesli:

Take some raw whole oats, rye, or wheat (they should all look very similar in their natural state) and grind them coarsely in a strong blender, or mill, or food processor... I prefer something not as fine as flour, but if that's what you like go for it. Add to a bowl with just enough spring water to cover and let it stand until it soaks up the water... shouldn't be that long with these types of grains. You can soak with some saffron threads, add grated ginger root, nuts and seeds, grated carrots, grated apples, sweet red peppers chopped up, just about anything you want.

All of these dishes are high in water, fiber, and rich in amino acids in the form of enzymes. I have found them to promote muscular development and assist with endurance in a lipolysis inducing diet/lifestyle. Enjoy. :)

wow can you come do some cooking round my house -sounds like you know your stuff .:D

[jamesk]

Hi Chris,

I watched the start of the video, will watch the rest it another time.

Putting weight on should be quite easy - everyone else seems to manage quite easily, eat lots of junk for a month and your there....

looks like your not achieving your goals as you've lost quite a few pounds?

[chris]

Hi Chris,

I watched the start of the video, will watch the rest it another time.

Putting weight on should be quite easy - everyone else seems to manage quite easily, eat lots of junk for a month and your there....

looks like your not achieving your goals as you've lost quite a few pounds?

I mean put on weight while eating a raw diet...

Right now it's too hard to tell what's going on...Part of me is losing fat and part of me is building muscle so after my initial water retention loss, I have pretty much stayed the same...

I don't think it will take too long before I start putting on weight, I actually tried 100% organic yesterday and really noticed the difference as far as my dreams went...

I also soaked the walnuts before I ate them, this had a big effect because I had dreams about building tendons. I actually dreamt I was a commander and my regiments were all called tendons and I was giving them orders...I also had a dream that I was literally on fire, I woke up literally believing my leg was on fire and I moved it and felt this rush of energy going up my tibular.

Another dream was that this guy who was really working extremely hard was going to retire and I told him to and he said he'd do some lighter work, he was a chef and made junk food and replaced that for good food, I started to feel sorry for this guy because he had a bad heart and then I started thinking about my own life and I burst into tears, it was so sad but when I woke up I felt like I really got a load off my shoulders...

This diet pwns.

[chris]

Hey Jamesk This guy has a really interesting channel...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t93Za12lBQA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htfyOpI3VVY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_hNzNxoo3A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFUYZ-18AGw

[jamesk]

Thanks Chris,

i'll watch them later - i know about raw food, but i think that some of the guys overdo the selling a bit.

i eat around 70% raw, the cooked 30% is things like lamb, fish, some vegs and porridge - which i reckon is fine, with lots of water. Been eating like this for over 15 years now, and feel beter for it.

i wouldn't want to do 100% raw (occasionaly i just eat fruits for weeks) permanentaly - i don't think its easy or necessarily good for you.

[chris]

151.8lbs

[klinker]

Chris what is a typical days food intake for you whilst on this diet? What are you eating?

[chris]

I am eating a pure organic raw vegan diet...

Todays intake for instance...

Bunch of grapes
about the same size bunch of strawberries
large apple
about 150gram of mixed nuts (soaked for about a day)...
two small gem lettuces
180gram of spinach

That's all I plan to eat, if I get more hungry I'll have a few more apples or go out and get some bananas...

[klinker]

I am eating a pure organic raw vegan diet...

Todays intake for instance...

Bunch of grapes
about the same size bunch of strawberries
large apple
about 150gram of mixed nuts (soaked for about a day)...
two small gem lettuces
180gram of spinach

That's all I plan to eat, if I get more hungry I'll have a few more apples or go out and get some bananas...

Thanks. I've tried a cycle of different types of food and calories but I always stumble on the days that are heavy with fruit.

[carsick]

ive been 100% raw all year

[chris]

ive been 100% raw all year

Cool, why don't you share your story...Why you started and what changes have you noticed?

[megafish33]

wow can you come do some cooking round my house -sounds like you know your stuff .:D

Sure :D My favorite type of cooking is actually stir frying-it's fun. But I don't eat to many fried foods these days.

[chris]

152.6lbs

[chris]

151.6lbs

[megafish33]

Do you workout?

What's your lean body mass weight and fat percent?

Keep up the good work Chris!

[klinker]

Do you workout?

What's your lean body mass weight and fat percent?

Keep up the good work Chris!

Yes I'd be interested to know how much of this weight loss is muscle mass compared to body fat.

[chris]

Do you workout?

What's your lean body mass weight and fat percent?

Keep up the good work Chris!

I play basketball but not every day...

I don't know what my lean body mass weight or fat percentage is...I don't have much fat but I'm not shredded or anything...I have a 6 pack if I strain my abs...

There should come a point where I stop burning fat and at that point I should start putting weight on as muscle.

[chris]

Yes I'd be interested to know how much of this weight loss is muscle mass compared to body fat.

I wouldn't lose muscle mass at least not yet...You body burns fat before it will canibalise it's body. Eventually I think I will put on muscle as I'm getting way more aminos and having masses of enzymes to utilise them.

The initial weightloss was most likely water retention and other things that can flush out easily...The weightloss at the moment is fat with other toxins...Some peoples bodies stores fat in their skin, other people have fatty organs...I guess that's me...

My tongue is very coated with a film of white mucus...This is a very good indicator of what your body is actually burning and getting rid of...When this coating goes, that's when I expect to start putting on weight.

This is unrelated but it's interesting for me nonetheless, that I am getting very weird dreams about building a herculean body and doing amazing acts of strength.

Anyway, thanks for the encouragement people. I must stay focussed but I really feel that the old ways of eating are leaving me...I feel much better, sleeping like a baby and everything falling into place.

[chris]

Another thing on muscle mass...

I've seen testimonials from women who use this diet and they go down many dress sizes but actually increase in weight. This is because of the body building muscle and other bodily tissues with the extra nutrients. They don't look butch at all, in fact they look even more feminine but I guess the muscle is more compact.

Obviously really fat women/men lose a lot of weight on this diet. It goes to show that weight is really no indicator, just a number of interest and especially to see if your losing too much weight. I've been down to 112lbs on one of my fasts so there's a long way to go before I need to really start thinking about putting on weight.

That runningraw.com guy was cooking vegan for 6 years and when he went raw, he put on quite a lot of weight. So the experiment continues...

If it did turn out that I couldn't put on weight with this diet, I would probably get raw ewes milk and find a local free range farm and try to get the freshest produce possible, there's no way I'm going back to pharmabeef...But I don't think I'll have a problem putting on weight. All the weight I've lost so far is healthy weightloss and I'm feeling good for it.

[carsick]

Cool, why don't you share your story...Why you started and what changes have you noticed?

WELLLL , well i uster be a heavey drinker and drug abuser , and my head was an insecure mess , and id always been interested in health underneath all the self destructive. then a freind introduced me to 'shazzie' and her web site , so i decided to take it on at the begining of the year. i find the hardest part is adjusting lifestyles , social life , all my mates are still drinkers an drug takers , staying away from cooked food etc is easy. i lost alot of weight , everyone was worried about me because id changed so dramaticly, i uster go out every weekend and get off my head and cause trouble , then i just changed, still struggle with it now though , im 21 100% T-total and society revolves around alcahol more or less soo . . . .

[biblegirl]

Good for you, Chris. You are an inspiration. :)

[Ratiocinator]

That runningraw.com guy

There are a couple of interviews with him on Rawkin Radio:

http://rawkinradio.com/

[chris]

151lbs

[megafish33]

There are a couple of interviews with him on Rawkin Radio:

http://rawkinradio.com/

Yeah, I like his channel. He's doing awesome and looks great!

[chris]

152.4lbs

[chris]

lol, out on the lash last night...154.8lbs

[chris]

Okay last night I went out which is fine...

I then had some apples which have made my teeth quite sensitive. Raw food involved a lot of chewing so I'm going to revert back to a gluten free diet for about 5 days or so.

When I come back, I'll have a new batch of Kombucha and also my raw milk will be delivered...I'm then going to blend my salads up because they are literally taking me hours to eat...I'm going to have much softer fruit like bananas and a few grapes...

That way I'll have a lot more time to myself and I'll exercise for strength everyday.

[carsick]

yeh i cunt be arsed with salads recently , i go thru phases , but U GOTTA GET YOUR GREENS ant u , i jus started havin green smoothies insted , BIG BIG ones, if your gonna have a smoothie for a meal its gotta be massive IMO

spinach
lettuce
Usually kale but myn hasnt grown enuff to start eatin it
NETTLES
dandelion leaves
various bean/seed sprouts
ground hemp/flax seed
and some times sum wierd powders
and BNANANAS
ermm wot else
i started puttin figs into it , to sweeten it
and the desired water

fookin love it

[chris]

I must say I'm surprised at how many people are doing this...I thought I was quite unique:D

It's good though, very good knowledge coming from peep...

[Ratiocinator]

I am on the green juice, rather than smoothies; I find that I cannot consume enough greens if I include the fibre. David Wolfe recommends around 1 kg of greens per day. Such an amount is hard enough to consume as juice, but, for me, impossible as smoothies.

A kg of greens per day provides the RDA for calcium, potassium, vitamin C, and many others. Many people just consume a few leaves per day, but I don't really see what good that can do? It seems too small an amount to have any real effect.

I juice a kg of spinach, kale, and chard. I add a cucumber, nearly an entire garlic bulb, half to an entire head of celery, quite a lot of ginger root, and with every 750 ml of juice I include two to three apples. (Everything is juiced, or course.)

[chris]

Damn, a whole KG!!! I don't have much money...I try to buy organic...Is there any really cheap organic stuff? Cabbage/broccoli perhaps?

[chris]

Also doesn't a blade destroy enzymes?

[Ratiocinator]

Damn, a whole KG!!! I don't have much money...I try to buy organic...Is there any really cheap organic stuff? Cabbage/broccoli perhaps?

Chard, spinach and kale cost around £5 each per kg from my local organic supplier. I intend to grow my own, not too far into the future. The cheapest should be wild crafted dandelion and nettles. I am not sure about other wild-sourced greens. Perhaps others may know?

[Ratiocinator]

Also doesn't a blade destroy enzymes?

I share this concern. Wolfe's friend, Adler (I think) was talking, a while ago, about ceramic blades for blenders and food processors. I use a Green Power juicer, which is supposed to be designed to preserve enzymes and nutrients.

[pacoquerak]

Wild greens are easier to grow and very commonly much more healthy to consume. Dandilion is vital, everyone should eat this weed that you can't get rid of from fertile soils. Lambsquarter is the best plant in the plannet for your bones as it has very high amounts of balaced calcium for you. Definatly purslane which contains great amounts of omega 3's and g0reat protein.

I dunno about swiss chard, the whole beat family causes my throat a lot of iritation from the acids they contain. I'm not sure about it but i always cook or ferment all of those before eating vegetables.

seems to me the easiest and cheapest way to get fresh greens cheaply is spouting your own beans.. any kind of bean is good young or in sprout form. I love eating mature fava bean greens...

Don't try to find cheap organic food, the best way is to personly know the farmer who supplies you with the food.

[chris]

Wow, I ate an okay gluten free diet yesterday and I weighed in at 157.2 this morning...Goes to show what a hoax this weight-loss business is.

[pacoquerak]

Wow, I ate an okay gluten free diet yesterday and I weighed in at 157.2 this morning...Goes to show what a hoax this weight-loss business is.

i dont know what you mean by that. My mother lost 70 pounds in a year with exercise and cutting gluton out of her diet...
not anything really arobic, just lots of walking and some biking.

[Ratiocinator]

The website of Angela Stokes:


http://www.rawreform.com/content/blogcategory/23/78/


She lost 160 lb after ditching her culture of death junk food diet for the raw food, culture of life vegan diet (105 lb lost in the first year, being only 70% raw). Plenty of audio interviews, articles, and video clips to be found on her site.

Apart from being morbidly obese, she had a host of medical problems (acne, cholesterol, high blood pressure, thyroid issues, diabetes scare, etc.), which all cleared up very quickly on adopting the raw vegan diet.

It is so easy! It really is true, the adage: The disease can be cured, but can the patient? Changing a person’s diet is harder than changing their religion. Well, most people therefore can stick with their ways and die a slow miserable premature death, instead of making a few simple changes. It’s a bloody ridiculous situation.

[jesta_g]

lol i got an idea for a diet its called common sense and all it involves is fruit/ veg/ water and keeping the body fit through sex, running,walking or whatever way you like as long as you actually move,even smiling burns a good few calories :).... the way nature intended it. youll see results in days ;)

mean this post with no offence but it is common sense.:o

[jesta_g]

Damn, a whole KG!!! I don't have much money...I try to buy organic...Is there any really cheap organic stuff? Cabbage/broccoli perhaps?

nope not unless you grow your own.
its less than a quid for seeds and under the right circumstances you can even grow your veg inside :)try it, its fun.
your all gonna need to know once theres no food left in the stores and money is worth buggery all ;)

[jesta_g]

It is so easy! It really is true, the adage: The disease can be cured, but can the patient? Changing a person’s diet is easier than changing their religion. Well, most people therefore can stick with their ways and die a slow miserable premature death, instead of making a few simple changes. It’s a bloody ridiculous situation.


HAHA! nicely put. tis very true :)

[Ratiocinator]

Oops, I meant 'changing a person's diet is harder than changing their religion,' not easier!

(I will edit the original post)

[jesta_g]

Oops, I meant 'changing a person's diet is harder than changing their religion,' not easier!

(I will edit the original post)


lol thats what i thought you meant anyway, i must have read it how you intended it :). still makes a good point.

[chris]

back to raw...154.4lbs

[Ratiocinator]

lol thats what i thought you meant anyway, i must have read it how you intended it :). still makes a good point.

lol, thanks.

[chris]

i dont know what you mean by that. My mother lost 70 pounds in a year with exercise and cutting gluton out of her diet...
not anything really arobic, just lots of walking and some biking.

What I meant was that weight is no indicator of health, yet if you look at magazines, it's all about weightloss. You never hear about how celebrities cured their crones disease or skin complaints...It is all about numbers.

[jesta_g]

What I meant was that weight is no indicator of health, yet if you look at magazines, it's all about weightloss. You never hear about how celebrities cured their crones disease or skin complaints...It is all about numbers.



exactly!!! nicely put :)

and look at alot of celebrities attitudes and personalities (not that i keep up with that crap at all) they may look "good" on the outside but fook me at least half of them are bloody cunts who dont give a shit about the real world,their bodies real health or their own personal development. to me anyone that is ill spiritually/personally is uhealthy all together. you can be big and still be a bloody good human being :)

[chris]

I was having trouble taking 2 hours eating a salad...I've gotten around this now by pressing the juice out and then recombining the fiber, enzymes in tact. It only took me 20 minutes to eat this salad and it was absolutely delicious:D

[chris]

152.8

[chris]

I've thought of a new goal to really prove this raw food thing...

I used to play a lot of basketball, I'm 5 foot 11 and when I was 17, I could dunk...My vertical jump was 26inches, a vertical jump is measured by seeing how high you can jump off a two foot standing jump...

Around that time, I got a little bit obsessed with my vertical...I wanted to dunk on 7 footers so I dedicated much time to weightlifting, plyometrics and all manner of powerbuilding exercises...I did not pay any attention to diet other than a protein shake...I hardly increased my vertical at all, it almost felt impossible...

I think my vertical jump isn't even 20inches right now...If I can manage to get over 30inch vertical jump with no training other than jumping and plyometrics then I can safely say that the raw food diet absolutely pwns for power/speed training...

I'll measure my current vertical this week sometime...

[cognizant]

I find that if I stay away from any processed food, I lose weight. But once I eat something processed, I crave it more and go downhill from there. I lost about 60 lbs a few years ago & gained it back after I got divorced and moved back to the parents' house (where I learned bad eating habits originally).

[chris]

152.4lbs

[chris]

152.4lbs:D

[chris]

152.4lbs:D

same...

[biblegirl]

ah, hit a plateau then have you? don't feel bad, you are still an inspiration :p

[chris]

ah, hit a plateau then have you? don't feel bad, you are still an inspiration :p

lol, I want to put on weight...That's what I was looking for. I'm a man;)

Still, the detox is pretty bad, I have broke out in a bad rash so I'm going to give it about a week or so with cooked food until it's calmed down a bit. Then I'll be able to go through with it 100%

[sebastian]

I teach people how to loose fat or how to shed fat for a living ...

got questions ? I'd be happy to help you ...

[krakhead]

Back on the raw diet again yet Chris?

I've been eating approx 70% raw since being inspired by this thread.

I'm feeling full of energy, sleeping like a baby, having the most amazing dreams (including 1 lucid one which was like a DMT trip where I was shown the 'true' nature of reality!)

If I could organise myself better I'd go 100% for a while, I may do this in 2 weeks when I have 2 weeks annual leave from work.

Thanks for giving me the encouragement to try this Chris! :)

[sebastian]

There are very few indigenous foods left anyway. All has been genetically changed and we now have mostly global foods.

[chris]

Back on the raw diet again yet Chris?

I've been eating approx 70% raw since being inspired by this thread.

I'm feeling full of energy, sleeping like a baby, having the most amazing dreams (including 1 lucid one which was like a DMT trip where I was shown the 'true' nature of reality!)

If I could organise myself better I'd go 100% for a while, I may do this in 2 weeks when I have 2 weeks annual leave from work.

Thanks for giving me the encouragement to try this Chris! :)

Yes, I am back on the diet but I'm checking my weight less now...Today I weighed in at 152.2lbs...

The detox is so strong though, I had to wait for my rash to go down a bit...It's now dissapearing so hopefully I will be able to go raw 100% of the time when it's gone.

[krakhead]

Yes, I am back on the diet but I'm checking my weight less now...Today I weighed in at 152.2lbs...

And, to be honest, I really don't give a toss about how much you weigh! I am very interested in how you feel (oo-er fnaar gumph! ;)).

When back on a cooked diet, did you feel the difference?

[sebastian]

Vegetarianism
Posted: June, 30, 2007
Vegetarianism

What is your and Janet’s opinion on vegetarianism? To me the unnecessary mass slaughter of animals for food is no better than what the puppet masters do to humans. If you eat meat (that includes fish) you are ingesting all the suffing and misery of the animal. If humans were meant to eat meat then we would have sharp teeth and claws and we would be able to digest raw meat and fur like real carnivorous animals. Humans can get all the protein they need from plants, like spirlina and maca.
Stewart's Reply: We have made it very clear over the years that humans are omnivores, not herbivores. Plants on farms also suffer and have feelings. Plants and animals are here for a purpose of nourishing all above them on the food chain. Human DNA is made up of animal protein bases. We need that to repair and grow our cells. Otherwise, it is like a copy machine running out of ink.

Vegetarians weaken and die eventually sooner than others. A study done in New England showed that people who drank whole organic milk, ate organic meats and even smoked organic cigarettes, lived longer and happier than those who restricted themselves.

This has also been shown in studies in Russia, South America and Asia.

The proteins from plants is good for us, but not enough. The woman who brought macrobiotic vegetarianism to the US is dead from ovarian cancer at a young age because her body was not strong enough to fight it off. Humans need animal proteins. You need like material to build the body.
More On Vegetarianism
Posted: June, 30, 2007
Re: Vegetarianism. Plus, there is some connection with Vegetarianism and the Reptilian agenda. The argument is that it is more spiritually evolved to be a veg. Hitler was a vegetarian and someone said it could have some connection with allowing greater demonic possession.
Stewart's Reply: Yes, it weakens the body energy and allows for entry of programming and astral entities.

[sebastian]

Rain Water

Posted: June, 28, 2007


You mentioned that humans were designed to drink rain water. So did it used to rain a lot more in the past because I don't see how we could sustain ourselves purely on rain water. What about lakes and rivers? Are humans not meant to drink from these places unless it is the only water around? Thank you.


Stewart's Reply: The rain water was collected. It was saved in urns and jugs. Lakes and rivers were also used, but these are usually topped off with rain. However, depending on where the rivers or lakes are, they could contains a lot of radon and harsh minerals.

[chris]

And, to be honest, I really don't give a toss about how much you weigh! I am very interested in how you feel (oo-er fnaar gumph! ;)).

When back on a cooked diet, did you feel the difference?

Yeah, I dont' give a monkeys about my weight, it's just that it puts me in a good routine for eating when I weigh myself everyday, it's a bit like an indicator...I'm looking to put on 14lbs or so with raw food. That's my goal.

When I am raw, there is a paradox...I am detoxifying so strongly that I feel really bad sometimes and then at others, I am on top of the world...My detox is extremely strong, it is worse than when I am fasting. I am really looking forward to getting all this shit out of me, hopefully then I will really be able to meditate and stuff...

When I first started to go raw and before the detox really hit me, I was having amazing dreams and things but now in the thick of the detox I am hardly dreaming at all...I guess this is the quiet phase...I sleep like a baby, pretty much 10 hours a night.

Going to bed now, nighty night:)

[hw spartan]

hope this helps.

http://spartandiet.org/

any questions.
or if you would like a routine, il write one up for you, with personall touch.
also dont neglect weight training.. it builds bones,tendon and other bits.
not just muscle:)

stay clean, be mean.. hooah!
ps:sorry i love training.:cool:

[chris]

Vegetarians weaken and die eventually sooner than others. A study done in New England showed that people who drank whole organic milk, ate organic meats and even smoked organic cigarettes, lived longer and happier than those who restricted themselves.

This has also been shown in studies in Russia, South America and Asia.

This is a bit of a non squitur...Your comparing vegetarians which on the whole eat a really bad diet compared with a health conscious meateater...Vegans are the same, ever heard of a junkfood vegan?

[chris]

I heard about people experiencing syncronicities while on the raw food diet...Today I got into work and my former workmate was there...Then I went out for a jog and saw my friend walking her dog and then when I went to the shops I saw two old friends I used to get pissed with...It was really quite cool...

[trooper]

Hi Chris

Are you still sticking to your raw foods?

I'm gonna try raw foods for 30 days to help detoxify myself. I've been full of a cold for the last 2 weeks and just need to cleanse my body. The most I've ever managed was 4 days so it's gonna be quite a challenge:)

[sebastian]

Please remeber :

we have reptilian genetic makeup...10-25 % some even more ....so we need animal protein ..

vegetarian diets will ultimately weaken the body and make us more susceptible to outside interfierence

[Ratiocinator]

Please remeber :

we have reptilian genetic makeup...10-25 % some even more ....so we need animal protein ..

vegetarian diets will ultimately weaken the body and make us more susceptible to outside interfierence

This poppycock is the most ludicrous thing I have read all week. Go troll another forum.

[sebastian]

This poppycock is the most ludicrous thing I have read all week. Go troll another forum.

or maybe you just dumb and do not get it ..ever considered that ?

don't adress me like that .In reallife I'd smack you silly

[element]

I think one's own experiences and benefit one gains from a diet, is more important then reptilian beliefs and ''diet connections''
talked about from a guy ('Stewart') on the net telling us what is good and wrong. I think we are wise beings enough to look for Truth in a practical way.
Knowing or believing, it just comes down to that.

[sebastian]

I think one's own experiences and benefit one gains from a diet, is more important then reptilian beliefs and ''diet connections''
talked about from a guy ('Stewart') on the net telling us what is good and wrong. I think we are wise beings enough to look for Truth in a practical way.
Knowing or believing, it just comes down to that.

No you dumb duck ...

I speak from 17 years of expirience as a nutritionist, former competitive bodybuilder, and the fact that I make a living teaching people how to eat

what a twat ... where do you get your inspiration ??????????

[Ratiocinator]

don't adress me like that .In reallife I'd smack you silly

My, how rational. Such irascibility and thugishness are symptomatic of consuming unnatural, unhealthy foods such as the chemical-loaded, highly toxic, parasite-ridden, decaying flesh of tortured animals.

And you call me dumb? Jeez.

[Ratiocinator]

I speak from 17 years of expirience as a nutritionist

Was it one of those Internet courses? Have you been responding to spam?

former competitive bodybuilder

Since when was bodybuilding conducive with optimal, long-term health?

[sebastian]

Was it one of those Internet courses? Have you been responding to spam?



Since when was bodybuilding conducive with optimal, long-term health?

bitch please ...you are making yourself sound more AND more ridiculous ...

learn to write english first then come back and ask a pertinent question...

now scoot

[sebastian]

My, how rational. Such irascibility and thugishness are symptomatic of consuming unnatural, unhealthy foods such as the chemical-loaded, highly toxic, parasite-ridden, decaying flesh of tortured animals.

And you call me dumb? Jeez.
I'm sorry I called you dumb

Retard would be more apropriate

Do you ever step outside your parent's basement ? ( serious question)

[chris]

Please shut the fuck up. The meat vs veggie debate is very valid but not on here, go make a new thread about it.

[chris]

As I have said...Doing this raw diet, I've had some severe detox reactions...

But I've got a great idea:D

I remember using those detoxifying feet patches a few years ago...I wore one and then jeez, it drew out all this scum. Then the next one wasn't quite so bad and then the last patches hardly drew out anything at all. I never bought any more since then.

Well as I'd be detoxing and putting more and more toxins into my blood stream, I think it would be a great aid to have to help me extract these toxins out in addition to all the main avenues of detoxification. Also my theory is they will not lose their effectiveness over the first few because my body will simply replace all the toxins with deeper toxins.

[trooper]

As I have said...Doing this raw diet, I've had some severe detox reactions...

But I've got a great idea:D

I remember using those detoxifying feet patches a few years ago...I wore one and then jeez, it drew out all this scum. Then the next one wasn't quite so bad and then the last patches hardly drew out anything at all. I never bought any more since then.

Well as I'd be detoxing and putting more and more toxins into my blood stream, I think it would be a great aid to have to help me extract these toxins out in addition to all the main avenues of detoxification. Also my theory is they will not lose their effectiveness over the first few because my body will simply replace all the toxins with deeper toxins.

Sounds like a plan to me.

I'm only trying mine for 30 days and I'm hopefully going to rely on drinking plenty of fluid and lots of exercise to help flush out my toxins

[sebastian]

Please shut the fuck up. The meat vs veggie debate is very valid but not on here, go make a new thread about it.

it was not a meatvs veggie debate

calm down gloria ... it ain't that serious

[biblegirl]

As I have said...Doing this raw diet, I've had some severe detox reactions...

But I've got a great idea:D

I remember using those detoxifying feet patches a few years ago...I wore one and then jeez, it drew out all this scum. Then the next one wasn't quite so bad and then the last patches hardly drew out anything at all. I never bought any more since then.

Well as I'd be detoxing and putting more and more toxins into my blood stream, I think it would be a great aid to have to help me extract these toxins out in addition to all the main avenues of detoxification. Also my theory is they will not lose their effectiveness over the first few because my body will simply replace all the toxins with deeper toxins.

I love those foot patches. I just used them while doing a detox/cleanse these last couple weeks, hoping I could bypass the deathly migraine and naseau that seem to result from the toxins getting released. It really helped and I have not had those problems. The foot patches were worth every penny. I'm glad you have them available to you. :D

[chris]

it was not a meatvs veggie debate

calm down gloria ... it ain't that serious

lol sorry...I was in an encouragable mood:)