Air rifles.

[resistance]

An air rifle in my view is the ultimate hunting tool, they are quiet, accurate and easy to maintain and tune. Here is a list of excellent modern air rifles that can be tuned to near supersonic velocity's, around 1,100 feet per second.

(for other countries outside the USA check your air gun laws)
(To take an air rifle above 12ft lbs in the u.k is an offence without a f.a.c)

The air rifles on the list are not cheap to buy.

Theoben rapid 7 (mk 1)

A very easy weapon to maintain and tune.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p183/paulc_2007/05032008196.jpg

Weihrauch hw 100 mk 1. a very very nice airrifle when tuned.


Air arms s410 (mk 1) a very nice bit of kit.

http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40180


webley FX2000.


Tuning kits.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~trobb/page2.html

[none]

I was planning an airgun for rabbits and grouse etc ..... I am on a very restricted budget .... what's out there for people like me who only have ...say£100max for a gun?
I'd be happy to go second hand as well.

[the itinerant shrubber]

How do you charge the pre charged rifles? Do you need a compressed air cylinder?

[resistance]

How do you charge the pre charged rifles? Do you need a compressed air cylinder?

No you can do it with a special hand pump made for the job, each gun cylinder has a different adaptor thread, depending on the make. you can charge them with a compressed air tank which you can refill at any dive centre. When the cylinder on the gun is fully charged you usually get between 40-100 shots per fill, depending on what power setting you have the gun on;)

A compressed air tank when fully filled will give you about 6-10 refills of the gun cylinder and usally costs just a couple of quid to refill. The hand pump takes about 5 minutes to pump an average size gun cylinder up to around 200bar, which is easily enough for a days shooting on a moderate setting.

[resistance]

Air gun hunting and survival skills. And preparing rabbits for eating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpwhOE74TMA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehYVL9hQAuw&feature=related

[none]

Air gun hunting and survival skills. And preparing rabbits for eating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpwhOE74TMA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehYVL9hQAuw&feature=related

Cheers.

[resistance]

Hey none, a nice air rifle that you may pick up for around £100 second hand, if you are lucky, is a weihrauch HW 80, they are a nice bit of kit when fully tuned with the right spring;)

you have a PM;)

[jp13]

I don't know if this has been mentioned before about air guns, but there are plans afoot to make them illegal. As usual it is starting in Scotland Tommy Sheridan Scottish Solidarity Party has put forward a motion to ban all airguns outright as he can see no reason for anyone wanting to own one. I suspect it will get passed 1st in Scotland, especially after the dreadful accident recently involving a 3 year olsd child shooting her baby brother accidently, I think he has since died, but I'm not sure. There are probably others on this forum who know more about it than me.
I would also caution people with airgums about using them sensibly i.e. don't use it in a city like London even in your garden, as I don't think it would be too far fetched to get a visit from the armed Police and probably end up getting shot dead in the process. I mean if they can shoot a Scottish geezer for "brandishing" a chair leg, to death with impunity, they would have no thinign to stop them shooting you if you had a rifle, especially with a scope.
just my 2pence worth. I used to have a Weblet Hurricane .22 pistol fantastic gun for it's size and very accutare, I would quite like to get another one, but can't justify the need for it and don't know where to buy one. I would really like a crossman pump .22 pistol but I don't think they make them anymore. PM me if you know where to get one.

[resistance]

more fascist policy headed our way then, that fascist prick may not have a reason for anybody to own one, why would he? he's just a treacherous politician, but i and many others have many good reasons to own one, so fuck him. I am living my life under common law and not fascist nazi rule.

[homebrew1973]

You can still buy such weapons but for whatever reason they`ve banned them being delivered, you have to collect them yourself :confused: But a postman will deliver a deadly-at-short-range crossbow.

[the itinerant shrubber]

I like the idea of a break-barrel as its self contained. Can you recommend any?

[marpat]

I like the idea of a break-barrel as its self contained. Can you recommend any?


Theoben evolution or similar. They have break barrels and instead of having a spring use an HE gas ram system which needs very little maintenance and does not weaken with use like a spring gun will. This means you can also leave it cocked for long period without reducing power.

Go for any rifle with a gas ram. Some are also multishot, such as the Theoben SLR. If you go for a springer try an Air Arms TX200

[the itinerant shrubber]

Ouch! £585. Unless I can get something decent for 100-200,I'll have to stick with bows.
All useful info if I ever come into some money though...:(

[marpat]

Ouch! £585. Unless I can get something decent for 100-200,I'll have to stick with bows.
All useful info if I ever come into some money though...:(


You pay for the top quality though. For £250 get an AA TX200. They are very good, or a Weirauch of some type.

[eefoxytype_esq]

Ouch! £585. Unless I can get something decent for 100-200,I'll have to stick with bows.
All useful info if I ever come into some money though...:(

Better get a catapult too buster. And a pea-shooter.

[resistance]

I like the idea of a break-barrel as its self contained. Can you recommend any?

Yep, as marpat pointed out the theoben's and the weihrauch's are very good rifles, built to last, but exspensive. Again Airarms do some pretty good springers, i used to own one that would ping straight through slate over an inch thick.
You should find some usefull info from some of these guys on these airgun forums.

http://www.airgunforum.net/agf/index.php?

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?act=idx

[marpat]

Better get a catapult too buster. And a pea-shooter.

I guess I have been financially lucky. I have an AA S410, an RWS Excalibur and a Theoben evolution, although I havent been using them much recently.

[the itinerant shrubber]

What about the BSA lighting? http://www.wighillparkguns.co.uk/products/products_detail.asp?prod=1606
MY step dad uses one to take rabbits from his garden (a large garden) to great effect. At least I'll be able to test it out. I used to shoot air rifles as a youngster but not seriously. What should you be looking for when you shoot an air rifle? Low recoil-that sort of thing?

[resistance]

I guess I have been financially lucky. I have an AA S410, an RWS Excalibur and a Theoben evolution, although I havent been using them much recently.

Thats some nice air rifles you have there marpat, the s410 is it the pre anti tamper model?

My air rifle collection consists of a theoben rapid 7 mk1, an awsome rifle when used with 22gn bis mags:) and a weihrauch HW 100s mk1, a seriously nice and well made german rifle.
I sold my springers a couple of years back.

[marpat]

Thats some nice air rifles you have there marpat, the s410 is it the pre anti tamper model?

My air rifle collection consists of a theoben rapid 7 mk1, an awsome rifle when used with 22gn bis mags:) and a weihrauch HW 100s mk1, a seriously nice and well made german rifle.
I sold my springers a couple of years back.


You got some nice rifles yourself. Anti tamper S410? is that the version with the safety upgrade for trigger? I dont have the safety catch on mine. Had it about 4 years now.

[resistance]

You got some nice rifles yourself. Anti tamper S410? is that the version with the safety upgrade for trigger? I dont have the safety catch on mine. Had it about 4 years now.

No, anti tamper means you can't adjust the power of the rifle..;)

[marpat]

No, anti tamper means you can't adjust the power of the rifle..;)

Ah, I guess I dont have one of those. I am sure the power adjustment on mine is on the right side, that funny torque screw thingy.

[resistance]

Ah, I guess I dont have one of those. I am sure the power adjustment on mine is on the right side, that funny torque screw thingy.

Yes that funny torque screw thingy:D

[the itinerant shrubber]

Woah,woah,woah! Lets not get bogged down in technical jargon!

[swoarg]

a theoben olympus with a carbine barrel and silincer with a walnut thumbhole stock. hmm what a rifle.
i have had the air arms s410 with the adjuster screw (uk version) but couldnt get much more then 12ft pounds out of it. the screw was only to adjust for different weighted pellets i think.
i love air rifle shooting, they only problem in the uk is that there under powerd and you have to be fairly close to get ur shot. which is good sport
but it takes alot of target practise first before you can gauranty an instant kill, be a good idea to discuss kill zones for different animals hmm that will probably upset some peeps, but its a good thing to know.

[jojo]

What are you guys talking about?? :p sounds like top wank material for the serious gun geek!


I sold my springers a couple of years back. :eek::eek::eek: how could you! I could never sell mine!...or are you not talking about the dog breed??
:o

[the_count]

I have been considering an air rifle myself, but i would not want to spend too much. Would it be worth spending say £100 on one or would i be wasting my money ?
I have been clay pigeon shooting with a friend a couple of times recently and quite fancy a shotgun now !
But obviously that would be serious wonga for something decent, and of course police checks etc.

[the itinerant shrubber]

I've decided I'm get the BSA Lighting. It's tried and tested and it does the job. I'm saving my pennies right now. I've also got a bottle of Shootmore rabbit attractant which I'll be experimenting with soon-minus an air rifle (although 9 ferrets,a rabid Terrier and a magnum trap is helping to control the rabbit population at the moment.) ;)

[eisenhower]

Hi,
Has anyone come across the Girandoni air rifles?

These were issued to the Austrian army (special troops)before and during the Napoleonic wars, and it seems Napoleon didn't spare any austrian soldier that carried one of these.

[1694]

This has interested me too. What are the UK laws on owning an air rifle in the UK and hunting say rabbits with one on "common land" etc.

[eisenhower]

I came across a book of how to make your own Girandoni air rifle in a second hand books shop.
But it seems to complex to me.
Has anyone tried to make your own air rifle? is it possible, or do you need some sort of mechanical knowledge?

[resistance]

This has interested me too. What are the UK laws on owning an air rifle in the UK and hunting say rabbits with one on "common land" etc.

Forget it! unless you want the armed response nobbers using you for thier target practice, also Any air rifle that exceeds 12 ft lbs requires an f.a.c, You need written permision from the land owner to shoot on land.

[resistance]

What are you guys talking about?? :p sounds like top wank material for the serious gun geek!


:eek::eek::eek: how could you! I could never sell mine!...or are you not talking about the dog breed??
:o

:Dnah i'm talking about my old air rifles silly:rolleyes:

[1694]

Forget it! unless you want the armed response nobbers using you for thier target practice, also Any air rifle that exceeds 12 ft lbs requires an f.a.c, You need written permision from the land owner to shoot on land.

Thanks for the heads, up. I actually did the sensible thing and googled the relevant info. Apparently you can hunt rabbits with an air rifle under 12ft lbs if they are within 25meters. As you say you need land owners permission. Apperently asking local farmers can result in permission as rabbits are a pest. Then it's a case of sticking to the rules, not loading it on public land, transporting it in a rifle bag etc.

Was thinking of applying for an FAC so I could get a more powerfull rifle. There is a shooting club near me, will join up and go from there.

Getting into the idea of living off the land a bit more, fishing too and veg in the garden...mainly as a little fuck you to the Inland Revenue.

Option A
Go to work and earn money - On which you pay tax
Go to shop and spend money on food - On which the seller pays tax (so builds it into the price)

Option B
Kill it
Eat it.

[1694]

Anyone any experiance with obtaining an FAC?

[wazaaap]

here is my air Gun. dont like rifles.

http://www.gamo.com/Controller?_objid=44738&pAction=_factory&_fp=preview&idPortlet=11441&_fb=sishm

[marpat]

Anyone any experiance with obtaining an FAC?

Do you need an FAC? I have killed small game at 50 meters with a 12ft/lb rifle. It is my opinion that you alter your style of shooting to suit the environment rather than relying on power. Power is no substitute for skill.

I was going to apply for and FAC but couldnt be bothered in the end. You need two references and a strong gun cabinet (fitted to a wall in a room with no windows), etc.

[marpat]

This has interested me too. What are the UK laws on owning an air rifle in the UK and hunting say rabbits with one on "common land" etc.


Why common land? if you ask farmers they are generally happy to let you shoot their pests. As long as you act with responsibility and maybe get insurance from the BASA (less than £20 a year) you should be able to get a shoot. Getting the foot in the door is the hardest part.

[1694]

Marpat, I don't know much about this which is why i'm asking. I only started thinking about it this weekend.

Common land was a thought as I believed some people had rights to use the land for various things, but research indicates its a limited no of residents who are allowed to graze sheep and maybe collect fire wood. Hunting as you say, requires your own pvt land, or pvt land owners permission.

[none]

What's the craic with shooting at the shore? I heard that no one owns the shoreline and so you can shoot there. Up here the shore is hoaching with rabbits and canada geese (in season).

[logic bomb]

Do you need an FAC? I have killed small game at 50 meters with a 12ft/lb rifle.

Getting a FAC is hassle for sure. What are the best options for this limit in your opinion? AA TX200? I've been thinking a lot about getting one recently.

[marpat]

Getting a FAC is hassle for sure. What are the best options for this limit in your opinion? AA TX200? I've been thinking a lot about getting one recently.

Depends on budget and preference. If you have the money get a PCP such as an AA S410. They are easier to shoot as they have no recoil but you will need charging gear such as a stirrup pump. This is one of my rifle and has proven excellent. If your budget is tight you will probably have to settle for a springer (although the AA S200 PCP rifle is quite cheap). The TX200 is excellent. The disadvantage of spring rifles is that springs get weaker over time and will be ruined if left cocked. I was considering on of these but went for an Theoben Evolution. These gas ram rifles require almost no maintenance and will not get weaker if eft cocked as there is no spring. They do not require charing equipment like a PCP rifles but they are expensive. I think the cheapest gas ram rifle is Weirauch HW97 or 95. Never remember which one it is!!!

Essentially what you will need is something from a good manufacturer with 12 ft/lbs of power. Not sure if you have seen any shooting mags but Airgun World and Airgunner usually contain all sorts of good info.

[1694]

Was lining up to get one of these 12ftlb: http://www.allgunsdiscounted.co.uk/acatalog/Theoben_Rapid_MK1.html

+ Scope, the guy recomened one of these I think : http://www.allgunsdiscounted.co.uk/acatalog/HawkeSport_HD.html
(not sure which one)

+ The pump on this page: http://www.allgunsdiscounted.co.uk/acatalog/Accessories.html

Will probaly get on it tomo, just waiting for a bit more feedback and guidance.

Will see if I can blagg a free bag atleast after spazzing that lot, still I see it as an investemt.

Arranged my induction at the club this friday to get the ball rolling.

[marpat]

Was lining up to get one of these 12ftlb: http://www.allgunsdiscounted.co.uk/acatalog/Theoben_Rapid_MK1.html

+ Scope, the guy recomened one of these I think : http://www.allgunsdiscounted.co.uk/acatalog/HawkeSport_HD.html
(not sure which one)

+ The pump on this page: http://www.allgunsdiscounted.co.uk/acatalog/Accessories.html

Will probaly get on it tomo, just waiting for a bit more feedback and guidance.

Will see if I can blagg a free bag atleast after spazzing that lot, still I see it as an investemt.

Arranged my induction at the club this friday to get the ball rolling.

The rapid is a nice rifle. I have used a Logun stirrup pump for years and it has been completely reliable. I think for a lot of people the choice of rifle comes down to looks. I still have my first rifle, and RWS Excalibur.

[resistance]

Was lining up to get one of these 12ftlb: http://www.allgunsdiscounted.co.uk/acatalog/Theoben_Rapid_MK1.html

+ Scope, the guy recomened one of these I think : http://www.allgunsdiscounted.co.uk/acatalog/HawkeSport_HD.html
(not sure which one)

+ The pump on this page: http://www.allgunsdiscounted.co.uk/acatalog/Accessories.html

Will probaly get on it tomo, just waiting for a bit more feedback and guidance.

Will see if I can blagg a free bag atleast after spazzing that lot, still I see it as an investemt.

Arranged my induction at the club this friday to get the ball rolling.

Excellent choice, yu can also buy tuning kits for these rifles on ebay;or from here http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~trobb/

[resistance]

Getting a FAC is hassle for sure. What are the best options for this limit in your opinion? AA TX200? I've been thinking a lot about getting one recently.

Like marpat said yu are better off with a gas ram or a PCP, if yu are buying a springer then buy a few spare replacement springs.

[1694]

Excellent choice, yu can also buy tuning kits for these rifles on ebay;)

Right then with your blessing I will proceed with the purchase tomo.
.22 caliber.

Can you advise on which scope, given that I intend to upgrade it post FAC.

To keep everthing above board I believe the upgrade needs to be done by a RFD.

I appreciate all your help mate.

[logic bomb]

Depends on budget and preference. If you have the money get a PCP such as an AA S410. They are easier to shoot as they have no recoil but you will need charging gear such as a stirrup pump. This is one of my rifle and has proven excellent. If your budget is tight you will probably have to settle for a springer (although the AA S200 PCP rifle is quite cheap). The TX200 is excellent. The disadvantage of spring rifles is that springs get weaker over time and will be ruined if left cocked. I was considering on of these but went for an Theoben Evolution. These gas ram rifles require almost no maintenance and will not get weaker if eft cocked as there is no spring. They do not require charing equipment like a PCP rifles but they are expensive. I think the cheapest gas ram rifle is Weirauch HW97 or 95. Never remember which one it is!!!

Essentially what you will need is something from a good manufacturer with 12 ft/lbs of power. Not sure if you have seen any shooting mags but Airgun World and Airgunner usually contain all sorts of good info.

Thanks. I'll look into it.

[marpat]

Some other things you may wish to consider to. A set of lense cleaning items such as you would use for a good camera. I have lens cleaner, a puffer brush, and some lens cloth to prevent damaging the scope by using abrasive material.

Use pellet lubricant. It is supposed to tighten your groups but has an advantage in that it helps to prevent corrosion in the barrel.

Get a rifle in .177 cal. It will have the same power as a .22 but because the shot travels at a faster speed the curve of the shot is less, making distance corrections easier. .177 do penetrate more but if you use it at close range get some hollow point pellets to prevent the shot going straight through the pest.

There is a superb book out that covers the greater part of airgun hunting. It is Total Airguns by Pete Wadeson. It will tell you nearly everything you need to know. The magazines are sometimes good but get repetetive.

[resistance]

Right then with your blessing I will proceed with the purchase tomo.
.22 caliber.

Can you advise on which scope, given that I intend to upgrade it post FAC.

To keep everthing above board I believe the upgrade needs to be done by a RFD.

I appreciate all your help mate.

Yes i would go for .22, much better if yu want to upgrade to f.a.c, also stock up on some .22 bis mags an excellent heavy pellet for f.a.c rated air rifles. As for scopes, i use these..http://www.hawkeoptics.com/riflescopes/nite-eye.htm
Sorry that i havn't been giving too much time to the thread, i have been very busy working lately.

[1694]

No probs mate I really appreciate your efforts. I have sniffed out some second hand gear based on your recomendations. Should be fully armed mid-end next week.

[resistance]

I found a second hand Daystate PH6 last week and just had to buy it, a lovely top class PCP air rifle, and a piece of piss to tune;) will post a pic or 2 when i have the time.

[the itinerant shrubber]

It's a Bergen on wheels - you can cram it full of stuff and take it anywhere. It seems the only sensible choice for a survivalist.

[the itinerant shrubber]

It's a Bergen on wheels - you can cram it full of stuff and take it anywhere. It seems the only sensible choice for a survivalist.

That was meant to go in the Land Rover thread.:o

[knightofthegrail]

If you want a break-barrel, go for a Cometa Fenix 400 .22 with scope. They are full up to 12 ft/lbs and accurate too (for a springer). Also, you can upgrade them to 18 ft/lbs very easily as they are built in spain to be 20 ft/lbs hunters (but you'll need an FAC to do it legally in the UK). Cost is around £200 for a gun and scope kit. Use prometheus air "bullets" for max effect.
http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews5590.html

If you want a charged gun, go for an Umarex 850 AirMagnum. Its a CO2 powered 8 shot bolt action that is a cracking gun. Cost is about £250 for a gun and scope kit. Use bisley magnums for max effect.
http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews104363.html

If however you want something a little more uber....get a Baikal Drozd. Semi-auto ball bearing machinegun-alike little monster that is basically as close as you'll find to an Air-Uzi. Cost is about £150
http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews5734.html

[1694]

If you want a break-barrel, go for a Cometa Fenix 400 .22 with scope. They are full up to 12 ft/lbs and accurate too (for a springer). Also, you can upgrade them to 18 ft/lbs very easily as they are built in spain to be 20 ft/lbs hunters (but you'll need an FAC to do it legally in the UK). Cost is around £200 for a gun and scope kit. Use prometheus air "bullets" for max effect.
http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews5590.html

If you want a charged gun, go for an Umarex 850 AirMagnum. Its a CO2 powered 8 shot bolt action that is a cracking gun. Cost is about £250 for a gun and scope kit. Use bisley magnums for max effect.
http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews104363.html

If however you want something a little more uber....get a Baikal Drozd. Semi-auto ball bearing machinegun-alike little monster that is basically as close as you'll find to an Air-Uzi. Cost is about £150
http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews5734.html

Is that UK legal?

[marpat]

Is that UK legal?

Such things are legal if they are under 6ft/lbs. I have just sold and AK74 air rifle that fired copper BB's. It had a power of 6ft/lbs but could not be used in any practical shooting sense.

[knightofthegrail]

Baikal Drozd
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://www.airgundepot.com/drozdreview.html

Yeah, its not too impressive at all :p

[resistance]

If you want a charged gun, go for an Umarex 850 AirMagnum. Its a CO2 powered 8 shot bolt action that is a cracking gun. Cost is about £250 for a gun and scope kit. Use bisley magnums for max effect.
http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews104363.html

I must say i'm not really a fan of co2 air guns, you will have too stock up on lots of canisters to keep the gun going, although the gun does look o.k. I know somebody who is selling a wiehrauch HW97 if anybody is intrested, an excellent springer.

[marpat]

I must say i'm not really a fan of co2 air guns, you will have too stock up on lots of canisters to keep the gun going, although the gun does look o.k. I know somebody who is selling a wiehrauch HW97 if anybody is intrested, an excellent springer.

Easy tiger, it almost sounds like you are advertising a weapon sale. Might be against forum rules.

A lot of co2 guns are just for show or plinking. Personally I prefer the PCP rifle

[knightofthegrail]

I must say i'm not really a fan of co2 air guns, you will have too stock up on lots of canisters to keep the gun going, although the gun does look o.k. I know somebody who is selling a wiehrauch HW97 if anybody is intrested, an excellent springer.

A year ago I would have agreed with you; the best then available was that 2 cartridge singleshot bolt action one (I dont recall the make) that managed 10 ft/lbs on a good (hot) day.

With the 850 AM the situation has changed and if I had the pennies to be getting a new one (I have the fenix 400 springer) the 850 would be top of my list; consistant 11+ ft/lbs multishot without needing a compressor or a diver's bottle. For an ongoing hunting situation it is much easier to to carry CO2 than a scuba bottle ;)

Besides, if you want genuinely "sustainable" and not needing an infrastructure to support it....go for a decent bow :D My mongolian recurve with swallowtail headed arrows is silent and with 2 arrows on the string utterly lethal.

[resistance]

A year ago I would have agreed with you; the best then available was that 2 cartridge singleshot bolt action one (I dont recall the make) that managed 10 ft/lbs on a good (hot) day.

With the 850 AM the situation has changed and if I had the pennies to be getting a new one (I have the fenix 400 springer) the 850 would be top of my list; consistant 11+ ft/lbs multishot without needing a compressor or a diver's bottle. For an ongoing hunting situation it is much easier to to carry CO2 than a scuba bottle ;)

Besides, if you want genuinely "sustainable" and not needing an infrastructure to support it....go for a decent bow :D My mongolian recurve with swallowtail headed arrows is silent and with 2 arrows on the string utterly lethal.

Having a PCP is the best solution for me, my theoben buddy bottle gives around 150 shots at 12ftlb and around 50 shots at 35ftlb, and the daystate is easily good for 80-90 shots on 12 ftlbs. My dive bottle is a 7 litre and fills each gun 3 or 4 times before i have to recharge it, also luckily a good friend owns a compressor so refilling the dive bottle is no problem, no one would ever need to carry a 7 litre dive bottle while hunting, thats the whole point of having around 150 shot capacity on the buddy bottle, If you were to fire my Theoben or the Daystate you wouldn't want to own another air rifle trust me, the Air arms s410 is a nice bit of kit for the money aswell.

[1694]

Having a PCP is the best solution for me, my theoben buddy bottle gives around 150 shots at 12ftlb and around 50 shots at 35ftlb, and the daystate is easily good for 80-90 shots on 12 ftlbs. My dive bottle is a 7 litre and fills each gun 3 or 4 times before i have to recharge it, also luckily a good friend owns a compressor so refilling the dive bottle is no problem, no one would ever need to carry a 7 litre dive bottle while hunting, thats the whole point of having around 150 shot capacity on the buddy bottle, If you were to fire my Theoben or the Daystate you wouldn't want to own another air rifle trust me, the Air arms s410 is a nice bit of kit for the money aswell.

What size buddy bottle you got for the Theoben? I think mine comes with a 280.

[resistance]

My Theoben bottle is a 400cc, the 280 should be good for at least 100 shots at 12 ftlb though, which is plenty, have you bought it yet?

[1694]

My Theoben bottle is a 400cc, the 280 should be good for at least 100 shots at 12 ftlb though, which is plenty, have you bought it yet?

Should be here tomo I think, I paid by cheque so it had to clear. Was thinking about getting a bigger bottle. On my deal I have a 2 month old rifle, 280 buddy bottle, the 12 shot mag, a filler and a single shot tray for £550.

I need a scope and bag, plus possibly a bypod. Was gunna see if I could get free fitting and aligning with a scope purchase.

Maybe also the stryup pump, most say it's more hassle than it's worth, but what if your caught short of a compressed air?

[resistance]

I also have a hill pump for back up;) but prefer to use the bottle as its much easier, but all the same i like the pump and use it sometimes just for the exercise:D

[waylander]

I like air rifles. Over the years I've owned most types and makes Co2, Precharged and spring. They are excellent tools.

But a good .22 rimfire is far superior.

Their less complicated so easier to maintain.

Cheeper, secondhand bolt actions sit on the racks in gunshops from as little as £25.

Just as accurate as an air rifle but far more range.

Hit harder, more humane kill.

Quieter using subsonic ammo and a sound moderator (silencer) my bolt action is far quieter than any air rifle I have ever owned.

Yes you have to get a license but you have to get a license to drive, ones no harder than the other.

Waylander:cool:

[the itinerant shrubber]

I've bitten the pellet and I'm off today to hopefully pick up a BSA Tactical from my local shooting shop.
I've chosen this one because I've shot BSA Lightnings over the years but I want something a wee bit lighter and something that will take a few knocks. I'm not really into shooting but the farmer who's land I work is at his wits end because of an area that cant be worked with ferrets so this rifle will allow me to get on with the job even in the cold and pissy weather.
Can anyone recommend some scopes to go with it;preferably no more than 70-100 quid?

[waylander]

Can anyone recommend some scopes to go with it;preferably no more than 70-100 quid?

4 x 32 optimate around £80.00 very good wide angle field of view. Exceptionally bright optics.

I prefer fixed mag scopes for hunting :)

Waylander:cool:

[marpat]

I like air rifles. Over the years I've owned most types and makes Co2, Precharged and spring. They are excellent tools.

But a good .22 rimfire is far superior.

Their less complicated so easier to maintain.

Cheeper, secondhand bolt actions sit on the racks in gunshops from as little as £25.

Just as accurate as an air rifle but far more range.

Hit harder, more humane kill.

Quieter using subsonic ammo and a sound moderator (silencer) my bolt action is far quieter than any air rifle I have ever owned.

Yes you have to get a license but you have to get a license to drive, ones no harder than the other.

Waylander:cool:

There are also other things you have to consider. A metal cabinet bolted to a strong wall in your house, which requires a police inspection.

Also, what about the are of the shoot. An air rifle allows you to shoot inside barns, etc. so they can be used in areas where rifles are too risky.

Surely the ammo costs more to

[marpat]

I've bitten the pellet and I'm off today to hopefully pick up a BSA Tactical from my local shooting shop.
I've chosen this one because I've shot BSA Lightnings over the years but I want something a wee bit lighter and something that will take a few knocks. I'm not really into shooting but the farmer who's land I work is at his wits end because of an area that cant be worked with ferrets so this rifle will allow me to get on with the job even in the cold and pissy weather.
Can anyone recommend some scopes to go with it;preferably no more than 70-100 quid?

You can get cheap scope on ebay. I got a 3-9X50 with illuminated reticle for less than £40. Fair enough it came from Hong Kong but it has had no problems.

I prefer the variable power as you can increase it for zeroing but then turn it down to mid range for actualy shooting.

[breezinreezin]

I'm thinking about getting an air rifle as a survival tool. The thing is, what type of rifle is better if parts, gas, co2 etc, no longer become available? Would it come down to a PCP and springer? If so what are the pros and cons of both?

[marpat]

I'm thinking about getting an air rifle as a survival tool. The thing is, what type of rifle is better if parts, gas, co2 etc, no longer become available? Would it come down to a PCP and springer? If so what are the pros and cons of both?


HE gas ram. It needs less care than a springer and does not have a spring that weakens with use. Also it does not need a charging system like a PCP. I have a Theoben Evolution, nice rifle.

The answer to your question would the be neither as the gas ram is sort of in the middle.

[breezinreezin]

HE gas ram. It needs less care than a springer and does not have a spring that weakens with use. Also it does not need a charging system like a PCP. I have a Theoben Evolution, nice rifle.

The answer to your question would the be neither as the gas ram is sort of in the middle.

Where would you get the gas from should society break down? This what I'm thinking about, a rifle that can be used without the need to rely on outside agencies. Of course this would mean stocking up with lots of pellets and a few spares, but that's all. Or am I wrong in that? I'm not questioning your greater knowledge Marpan, I'm trying to get it straight it my head, what sort of rifle can I buy that will see me through lean times.

[waylander]

Surely the ammo costs more to

Last time I bought 1000 air arms field the cost £9.50 a tin of 500 = £ 19.00 a 1000
I can buy magtech .22LR ammo for £15.00 a 1000, so its actually a bit cheaper.;)

I prefer the variable power as you can increase it for zeroing but then turn it down to mid range for actualy shooting.
Varimag scopes tend to suffer from parrallax error and chromatic abberation.
I used a 6x42 fixed mag for deer stalking and have taken fallow out to 200 yrds:) But you pays your money and takes your choice. Some cheap scopes are like having a cataract:p

Where would you get the gas from should society break down? .

A gas ram air rifle functions exactlly like a spring rifle but instead of a spring it has a sealed gas ram,similar to a suspension strut on a car. In theory they are sealed for life and need no maintenance:)

Waylander:cool:

[marpat]

Where would you get the gas from should society break down? This what I'm thinking about, a rifle that can be used without the need to rely on outside agencies. Of course this would mean stocking up with lots of pellets and a few spares, but that's all. Or am I wrong in that? I'm not questioning your greater knowledge Marpan, I'm trying to get it straight it my head, what sort of rifle can I buy that will see me through lean times.


Gas ram is a self contained unit and does not need charging up.

[breezinreezin]

A gas ram air rifle functions exactlly like a spring rifle but instead of a spring it has a sealed gas ram,similar to a suspension strut on a car. In theory they are sealed for life and need no maintenance:)

Waylander:cool:

I'm a complete novice, sorry for the dumb questions. How is a gas ram primed for use? Does it require a gas cylinder or something?

[breezinreezin]

Gas ram is a self contained unit and does not need charging up.

OK, thanks. So that sounds like a good choice if it doesn't leak that is.

[waylander]

what I'm thinking about, a rifle that can be used without the need to rely on outside agencies. .

What you have just described is a .22rimfire.

No gas, no Co2, no springs. very simple and uncomlicated. :)

Go visit your local gun club.;)

Waylander:cool:

[the itinerant shrubber]

I might have a go at making my own pellets at some point. I assume that the modern pellets arent led but made from the same stuff that modern fishing weights are made from. Either way,it should have a fairly low melting point and should be possible in theory to make them in a clay crucible.

[none]

I am looking for a good all round air rifle for small game hunting. I only have £100 to spend so I'm looking for second hand. Do any of you know of any decent second hand rifles out there?

[rixxmixxhell]

Yeah. Good idea, you can always look in your local phone directory, like yellow pages etc.....you can't buy them in second hand shops or pawn shops, used too but not anymore.

Also, if you live near countryside, there seems to be more rifles available cheap..

I used to use a shop in north London, Enfield, they sell that stuff, not sure of second hand or used stuff though.

Also in middlesbrough, U.K, i go to a rifle shop to look at gas bow guns....

Google is your friend, it uses you so use it ;)

rick

[rydeon]

more fascist policy headed our way then, that fascist prick may not have a reason for anybody to own one, why would he? he's just a treacherous politician, but i and many others have many good reasons to own one, so fuck him. I am living my life under common law and not fascist nazi rule.

Well said, I'm sick of the facist-minded 'Lets ban weapons from the common people'. It's just more ways to control ordinary decent citizens.

[rydeon]

It might be a good idea to get your a. rifles now before the PTB try and ban every weapon in sight aside from a kitchen knife!

[none]

It might be a good idea to get your a. rifles now before the PTB try and ban every weapon in sight aside from a kitchen knife!

That's the plan .... I have my first crossbow, next an air rifle, then another bow, then? .... before they are all banned or licenced

Oh and thanks for the reply Rixxmixxhell, I'll get scotads this week and see what i can find there.

[hunter77]

An air rifle in my view is the ultimate hunting tool, they are quiet, accurate and easy to maintain and tune. Here is a list of excellent modern air rifles that can be tuned to near supersonic velocity's, around 1,100 feet per second.

(for other countries outside the USA check your air gun laws)
(To take an air rifle above 12ft lbs in the u.k is an offence without a f.a.c)

The air rifles on the list are not cheap to buy.

Theoben rapid 7 (mk 1)

A very easy weapon to maintain and tune.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p183/paulc_2007/05032008196.jpg

Weihrauch hw 100 mk 1. a very very nice airrifle when tuned.


Air arms s410 (mk 1) a very nice bit of kit.

http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40180


webley FX2000.


Tuning kits.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~trobb/page2.html

i own a daystate harrier x .177 with a harwood thum hole stock.
i also have a wierach hw 97k .22 and a few other guns on a f.a.c
i agree the airgun is the ultimate hunting tool for small animals, (rabbits, squirells ect) you need good understanding a field craft to hunt with one as you are in close proximity with your quarry. its a good way to get tasty free food and rabbits are a top bartering tool.:)

[hunter77]

I am looking for a good all round air rifle for small game hunting. I only have £100 to spend so I'm looking for second hand. Do any of you know of any decent second hand rifles out there?

most gun shops sell second hand guns, as alot of people trade them in when they buy a new one. make sure you get one your comfortable with as when you carring them around. you dont need an expensive scope 4x (magnification) will cover most rabbit work. weirach make good reliable guns and can be picked up at a resonable price second hand.

[hunter77]

I'm thinking about getting an air rifle as a survival tool. The thing is, what type of rifle is better if parts, gas, co2 etc, no longer become available? Would it come down to a PCP and springer? If so what are the pros and cons of both?

a springer would be easier to maintain, especially if everything went tits up and you couldnt get hold of compressed air. springers are more difficult to shoot though becase of the spings recoil. but get a spare sping and some spare o rings it would last you years:)