The Secret: Video!

[thoth]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1279084763732767570&q=the+secret&hl=en
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7094458476582853353&q=the+secret&hl=en Part 5 ^
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7094458476582853353&q=the+secret&hl=en
Part 9^
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3078200351789860793&q=the+secret+chapter+8&hl=en
Par 8^
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7824808756524543394&q=the+secret+chapter+7&hl=en
Part 7^
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+secret+chapter+10&hl=en
Part 10^

Somewhere in there is all of it

[dmessick]

I bought the movie months ago. it was awesome.

[louisehay]

I truly enjoyed the video "the Secret". I hope I organized the sequence a little bit better. So people can view it easier.
Part 1 to Finish
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[i_am]

I truly enjoyed the video "the Secret". I hope I organized the sequence a little bit better. So people can view it easier.
Part 1 to Finish]

OR you could just go here. All eleven are listed.

http://www.youtube.com:80/profile_videos?user=mindspin2007

[purple is a fruit]

This is a fabulous film. I saw it about 7 months ago after aquiring a copy in rather a synchronistic way.

[21_12_2012]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5yeHR3RUKo http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1279084763732767570&q=the+secret&hl=en
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csiAsbPxmmY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCnsm6SVceU Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7094458476582853353&q=the+secret&hl=en Part 5 ^
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7094458476582853353&q=the+secret&hl=en
Part 9^
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3078200351789860793&q=the+secret+chapter+8&hl=en
Par 8^
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7824808756524543394&q=the+secret+chapter+7&hl=en
Part 7^
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+secret+chapter+10&hl=en
Part 10^

Somewhere in there is all of it

I've seen it about 7 or 8 times now. It is ABSOLUTELY brilliant. Very inspiring, and lifts my mood whenever i am feeling down.
There is a part in it with a guy who was paralysed and could not even breathe without the aid of a machine, all he could do was blink his eyes. With his mind he put his body back into working order and ended up walking out of the hospital within something like 12 months or less. The Miracle Man they call him.
It is all about how we 'think' 'feel' and 'believe' .
Definately one of the bext videos I've ever seen, if not THE best !
I recommend everyone to watch it...OVER AND OVER "

[oneofmany]

I browsed this thread earlier tonight and said to myself ill watch it later. At the end of the movie on tv guess what came on and am still watching as we speak. FREAKY!

[21_12_2012]

I browsed this thread earlier tonight and said to myself ill watch it later. At the end of the movie on tv guess what came on and am still watching as we speak. FREAKY!

hahah now thats synchronicity if ever i heard it !

[naturesdaughter]

I am grateful for he recommendation to watch the secret. Thank you.:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[dmessick]

Finally people are starting to WAKE UP to all of this. If you change the inner world the outer world must change. Crack open a beer yall the Illuminati agenda is over once this takes hold. WE ARE FREE WE ARE ME LOL :)

PEACE from america

[seamus]

I grabbed a peek frame by frame of the opening sequence where the woman is reading off a computer screen. Here is the book she was reading:

http://www.psitek.net/pages/PsiTekSOGRContents.html

pretty interesting. The book appears to be Public Domain. It predates Norman Vincent Peale by a mile.

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Edit: here is the page she was reading:

http://www.psitek.net/pages/PsiTekSOGR14.html

[21_12_2012]

I grabbed a peek frame by frame of the opening sequence where the woman is reading off a computer screen. Here is the book she was reading:

http://www.psitek.net/pages/PsiTekSOGRContents.html

pretty interesting. The book appears to be Public Domain. It predates Norman Vincent Peale by a mile.

s

Edit: here is the page she was reading:

http://www.psitek.net/pages/PsiTekSOGR14.html

Cheers for that, i just had a quick look, some good stuff there. I will definately read that.....eventually !

[louisehay]

OR you could just go here. All eleven are listed.
To i_am Thank you. It is certainly easier and neat :)

I grabbed a peek frame by frame of the opening sequence where the woman is reading off a computer screen. Here is the book she was reading:
To seamus Thank you. I am reading the book.

[21_12_2012]

I grabbed a peek frame by frame of the opening sequence where the woman is reading off a computer screen. Here is the book she was reading:

http://www.psitek.net/pages/PsiTekSOGRContents.html

pretty interesting. The book appears to be Public Domain. It predates Norman Vincent Peale by a mile.

s

Edit: here is the page she was reading:

http://www.psitek.net/pages/PsiTekSOGR14.html


I just finished reading it, brilliant stuff...certainly has made me think about how i 'think' and how i live my life....thanks again...everyone should read it...only took an hour or 2.

[seamus]

I really like the intro sequence to this film. It reminds me strongly of a little movie my friend in California made about Church and State. I mean, visually.

The Harlot - YouTube

Check it out. The line at the end is, to the folks here, old news. The visuals are interesting. I think we can look forward to a state-church in the next 30 years.

Another friend of mine (a human rights lawyer) went to a worldwide religious confrerence about 10 years ago, and was in a conversation with one of the NGO planner types who was talking about the ecumenical superchurch I've been going on about. He said that the umbrella was going to be big enough for "anyone" to fit under. She asked him what if someone doesn't fit? He assured her that "everyone will fit, the flexibility is so great". She persisted, and after going back and forth a couple of times he admitted, "well, if someone did not fit, it would not go well for them" totally deadpan. It still creeps me out when I think of it.

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[anoninnyc]

and just focus on our own empowerment.

[21_12_2012]

and just focus on our own empowerment.

That is correct, but, it is also important to 'be aware' of the NWO and other so-called negative material, and to make others aware of it too.
You don't have to focus on something continually to be aware of it and make others aware of it.
If we weren't aware of it, and didn't make others aware of it, we would be up shit creek without a paddle very soon.

[fryertuck]

http://concen.smartvideochannel.com/media/playvideo.aspx?f=flash7&cid=9F876EA9E7F44DCBA2017B330A4FEC7E&v=mostviewed

deleted scene!!!!

[houdini]

its on tv and dvd...it must be true.

[thoth]

http://concen.smartvideochannel.com/media/playvideo.aspx?f=flash7&cid=9F876EA9E7F44DCBA2017B330A4FEC7E&v=mostviewed

deleted scene!!!!

You sick fuck!! Have you actually seen what was in this?! I almost yackedd!!

[kha zarr]

So what I think, has to be in line not only w/what I want, but what the other situation is in also - it must be a fair process, done for right reasons. Like a deeper need, for the reason of learning a lesson, some moral, or it just flat out wont happen. If that boy wanted a bike and thought 'I want this bike to show off to the other kids whose bikes arent so great, just to make em feel bad' but acts all nice on the outside [believe me people can do this!], he can theoretically abuse this secret to get what he wants, even if he doesnt 'deserve' it, if he really wants that bike, that badly, for that purpose, if he thinks it will make him happy. A parent, if he or she is aware of this after being nagged for it, under these very pretenses, probably would sit down and have a talk w/him or her.

If the universe obliges this behavior, whats to stop a NWO doing what they 'want'?? In this case, Id want a *different* secret, since I dont want to just get whatever thing I want in the time being, I wouldnt learn anything if I did. Certain limits are necessary, arent they? Restrictions, like rules on this site, or in this quantum physical realm. The real question to me is, how can I tell if the limit Im imposing on myself is one I should, or one I shouldnt impose?? Its not so easy to notice! In fact at times it can feel nearly downright impossible. Ive only watched first 4 parts so who knows. But Im skeptical it could really REALLY work the way I want it to. Im exTREMEly doubtful. But sure, I do want it to work, who the heck wouldnt!!

[kha zarr]

double post. Poof! intention at work hehe. or just a glitch??? hmmmm

[houdini]

You sick fuck!!

"This is not the place for personal attacks"


now now....thats not nice.

[fryertuck]

You sick fuck!! Have you actually seen what was in this?! I almost yackedd!!

correction

yacked onto your new age kundalini bib :rolleyes:

[thoth]

"This is not the place for personal attacks"


now now....thats not nice.

Why would someone post something like that? Something has got to be wrong with that guy?

[thoth]

correction

yacked onto your new age kundalini bib :rolleyes:

You would have to have something not right with you to post something like that, no matter what the case.

[fryertuck]

i'm fine thankyou :o
love and light :rolleyes:

[rambleblatt]

I thought this film was a classic. It seems that all you have to do is squeeze one of your chakras and you will get everything you want - especially money. So off the herd goes, wishing and dreaming and nothing happens for them, because they are not performing the correct ritual (it is described in the video) or they don't believe enough. But obviously "The Secret" is very powerful. I just can't help wondering why they keep taking youtube/google and torrent versions of the film down with horrifically threatening DCMA notices, because they are losing money? Why don't they just use 'The Secret" ?

[louisehay]

I found the video interesting.

http://www.simulism.org/Simulation :D

[hagbard_celine]

I keep getting ads for "The Secret" ever since I subscribed to "The Bleeping Herald", the official newsletter of "What the Bleep do we Know?" I think the same people are reponsible for the two. I know Lynne McTaggart is because I saw her at the Icons of the Field conference in London last year and we all saw "Down the Rabbit Hole".

Some might say that the materialist theme of "The Secret" is a debasement of spirituality. I don't agree. I wouldn't mind having a lot of money; this doesn't make me unspiritual. It would if it became the only thing I wanted, the whole essence of my life, as our society encourages it to be. It's also not immoral if you've earned your money fairly (difficult in the current economic system which is based on theft and exploitation). It could be simply about having an interesting, worthwhile and fullfilling existance in this life. This might not just be about material wealth, but about what Mr Keating in "Dead Poets Society" calls Carpe Diem, Seize The Day! Make your lives extraordinary!

It's true that positive thinking can have an enormous effect on what happens to us in our objective lives. This is the central theme of "What the Bleep..."

Actually, although I respect the sentiment behind this film, I find its style somewhat gimmicky. The "calender" anaology one of the presenters uses is accurate, although in a different way. It reminds me of one of these 2-hour adverts you get on cable channels for fitness equipment or jewelery. The title is a minsnomer; "The Secret" is not a secret. It has been discussed quite openly by everyone from physicists to Buddhist lamas throughout recorded history, and probably before. A modern physicist might say "A state of mind can move the particles of the universe" while Lao Tzu said "With our thoughts we make the world" in the 5th Century BC. The "supression" is in fact more like "distraction"; the powers-that-be use lures and confusion rather than actively hiding the information.

The case studies are a good way of making the subject matter comprehensible and inspiring; I can feel a certain affinity with many of the people featured in the film, however "The Secret" doesn't really contain any information that you won't find in "What The Bleep Do We Know?"

[apemachine]

Thank you very much for posting this. Now listen to this..

I've only watched the first two parts but I felt a need to type this down. After the first part I decided to try it out in immediate action, the law of attraction that is. I'm not particularly good at drawing objects that looks like their real equivalent. I consider myself to create beautiful drawings but they are very surreal and it's a very unique type of style. But anyway, I decided that I was going to draw a cat, and it was going to look like a real cat. I focused HARD in my head, repeating to myself "I'm going to draw a cat that looks like a real cat", I knew it was going to work. I was very focused indeed.

And guess what happened? I've never drawn anything CLOSE to this ever before in my life. When I was done drawing I was looking at a picture that looked like a real cat, it looked anatomically correct and all. I was a bit flabergasted mind you.

So I've got a tip for you who've seen the movie, do what I did, it should work if you believe it will.

[bluestar]

The movie the secret is one of black magic. It shows great misuse of energy for selfish intention. For those of you who would adopt the principles of what is termed the secret- of what use is it? Would you use knowledge for your own gain?

[bluestar]

Here is another review on "the secret"

I found the movie The Secret to be a very sad misuse of universal principles that seem like they are of service to “the masses” ..but really only prepare the unprepared to want more and to use it to bolster up their props of “getting, having, controlling” vs. the deeper call of Life to open into the Divine Mystery by shedding fear and the beliefs it engenders…and thereby come to be true a -creative partner in the miraculous dance of the Lover and the Beloved.


The real secret of universal law is that it calls us to actually shed all of our fear-control-selves to find our true power that rests in a much deeper pool of listening and stillness from which “spontaneous right action” (thanks Deepak) occurs. Always the paradox is the deeper truth. Those not ready to see this, can only use a tool to try and bolster the mind-self need. Wrong direction by a subtle mis-take.

So I consider the Secret a real disservice to those seeking. It actually leads the unprepared farther away from true universal truth in a positionality that promises self-fulfillment.

Most bluntly, I'm afraid I found The Secret to be a poorly conceived and irresponsibly delivered hype geared to take advantage of the $-bandwagon of selling the “millionaire secrets” and used to further bolster a cultural appetite for using what can't be used. It lacks integrity on both the deepest and most common meaning of that word.

Hope this makes some sense. A challenging vision to quickly let emerge into word on a busy Friday morning. Thanks for asking..The question is where we really live the answer ever unfolding and revealing itself…

What say you my e-friend?

[apemachine]

Here is another review on "the secret"

I found the movie The Secret to be a very sad misuse of universal principles that seem like they are of service to “the masses” ..but really only prepare the unprepared to want more and to use it to bolster up their props of “getting, having, controlling” vs. the deeper call of Life to open into the Divine Mystery by shedding fear and the beliefs it engenders…and thereby come to be true a -creative partner in the miraculous dance of the Lover and the Beloved.


The real secret of universal law is that it calls us to actually shed all of our fear-control-selves to find our true power that rests in a much deeper pool of listening and stillness from which “spontaneous right action” (thanks Deepak) occurs. Always the paradox is the deeper truth. Those not ready to see this, can only use a tool to try and bolster the mind-self need. Wrong direction by a subtle mis-take.

So I consider the Secret a real disservice to those seeking. It actually leads the unprepared farther away from true universal truth in a positionality that promises self-fulfillment.

Most bluntly, I'm afraid I found The Secret to be a poorly conceived and irresponsibly delivered hype geared to take advantage of the $-bandwagon of selling the “millionaire secrets” and used to further bolster a cultural appetite for using what can't be used. It lacks integrity on both the deepest and most common meaning of that word.

Hope this makes some sense. A challenging vision to quickly let emerge into word on a busy Friday morning. Thanks for asking..The question is where we really live the answer ever unfolding and revealing itself…

What say you my e-friend?

I don't think knowledge is ever bad, it's how it's used that makes the difference. But I don't see how people realizing that they are the creators of their of their own reality is a bad thing. It takes away the power from the negative force who is controlling the human race for the moment. However, I do agree with you about some things.. For instance they mention the use of the technique they talk about for economic gain and to get more material things, a better use would be just for happiness for all perhaps.

It's good to see a different view though, I liked the review.

[bluestar]

You say that it takes power from those who control at present, this is not true. It actually feeds them. While people continue to feed the illusion of self they are in fact perpetuating the illusion of "illusional reality". Awakening to the true path is one of diminishing the self not feeding it with illusions. The dark forces of the earth feed upon the ethers created by humanity through self perpetuation.

[bluestar]

Polarities of Armageddon

Service to self (STS) or service to others (STO)
An article from: Rare Insights

Q: There are battles going on right now over galactic territory and liberty etc., and then there are "Servers-to-Others". These Servers have to use force on the dark ones, because the dark ones have no respect for free will or anything else for that matter.

So these warriors are here right now on Earth, and they are very much needed because "Service-to-Self" is taking as many as it can with it in these last days before the shift of ages.

A: You are in error. What you speak of here is but one side of the great battle of Armageddon. It is duality that fights with another aspect of itself in the realm of opposites. Divinity does not fight evil, and neither does Divinity do 'good', for both good and evil are dualistic illusions that vibrate outside Divine spheres.

Now, ignorance has misinterpreted the pure teachings and teachers, and has fooled the whole world into thinking in terms of self and other. But whatever side one chooses, STS or STO, one is polarizing from the Middle Way, where the Truth lives. When one swings to the right, the law of duality ensures that a swing back to the left must occur, for balance is a universal decree. If there is any 'other' with which you battle, even in thought, then you are fighting an aspect of the dualistic illusion, and so are binding yourself to it. And the same goes for helping any 'other', which means that you are helping an illusion of 'other'. Either way, karma is created due to an unenlightened focus.

These 'warriors' of whom you speak are perhaps noble in their activites in one sense, but unenlightened all the same. Their actions actually constitute a part of the world-problem, similar to that of the evil ones themselves.

Q: But those who fight evil do a great service for the downtrodden and ignorant.

A: Like the majority of human beings, you do not yet see the Truth. Do you think that Divinity is so limited that it has to battle with evil? Divinity, the Truth, does not fight anything, it just IS.

Q: Eureka! I think the penny just dropped! If you do not even vibrate there, in duality, you become untouchable by it, yes?

A: Right. There is duality: good and evil, self and other, and then there is Divinity, Truth, which is altogether Other.

Q: Christ consciousness is beyond both polarities.

A: Yes, Divinity vibrates beyond all man-made dualities; it has nothing to do with them.

Q: Okay, I understand.

A: As long as we are thinking of self or other selves, we are subscribing to the separative illusion of duality. Either way duality gets fed, karma is created and we become more bound to the illusion.

You see how nearly all the world is deluded? Especially, perhaps, those who think they are doing good by serving other selves?

Q: I understand. This truth feels so familiar. It is in my soul-memory somewhere.

A: Both good and evil do not exist in Truth. All dualities are mind-born illusions.
Q: Right. Of course. Thank-you. I see!

A: The dualistic mind is the cause of all problems.

Q: I understand. The mind is of the separative ego. It thinks in duality.

A: Yes. Whenever an impure heart or unenlightened mind reads about STO it will invoke the ego's sense of doing 'good', and where there is good there must also be evil to balance it. Hence people who do 'good' works fuel the dualistic illusion and indirectly arouse evil. This is why the Buddha taught his disciples to walk the Middle Way between all the pairs of opposites, and why the initiate, Paul, in the New Testament wrote: "Each time I try to do good I end up doing evil."

Service to others is a dualistic trap for the limited human mind. It is one of the most difficult snares to recognise because it seems so reasonably loving and selfless. But Divinity does not serve others in the very personal way that mankind thinks; Divinity, once contacted, just radiates out in all directions, blessing all alike. In Divinity there is no 'other' to serve! Do you see the very subtle entrapment set up for so many well-intentioned people today? "Do good, serve others and you will be saved!" It is a falsehood, which is just as binding as doing evil or serving self. The real prescription for success should be: "Seek God, love God and live only for God (not 'others') and all will be revealed to you." There is a subtle but monumental difference here, yet so much pride and delusion are being created all over the world with this idea of 'me serving others'. So many spiritual groups and humanitarian organizations proceed in their work equipped with a theory of service, but they do not understand that even though their services may be necessary and useful, they are not in and of themselves Liberating, and when they are performed with any premeditated deliberation, as in, "I am going to help this or that person", they are actually binding. Ultimately they lead only to confusion, depletion and spiritual frustration.

True spiritually meritorious and efficacious Service is the natural outpouring of Love and Wisdom from the divinely aligned heart and mind. It is not something that proceeds based upon personal planning or striving, however well-intentioned.

Let us take an example of how just one very popular and contemporary channelled teacher has misled millions today. This teacher's distortion of the fundamental requirement for alignment with Divinity was made in the very clever way he detailed STS and STO: polarization. It has fooled multitudes into believing that they are on the sacred Path of Ascension just by being STO in their own minds! However, the teacher we are discussing has not attained Christ Consciousness. Therefore he is not spiritually authorized to open up the Way or, therefore, teach the Truth. This channelled entity created much karma when he similarly misled many in old Egypt, and he has done it again today, as millions, from reading his books, now believe that by being STO they will attain the harvest or 'ascension'. They are going to be very disappointed indeed because 'good' keeps evil alive and creates karmic bindings to the wheel of birth and death.

Let us be very clear: evil is the opposite of what mankind calls 'good'. Many human beings, judged by society's standards, are considered to be good, very good, humane, cultured and loving. However, such goodness might indeed be very good if only it had no opposite! All truly wise individuals have ever absolutely denied the Goodness of 'good', due to its black shadow, due to the dualistic nature of things. Yet the vast majority of human beings, even today in our modern and cultivated society, have no comprehension whatsoever of this reality. The following statement of fact, therefore, will constitute a major revelation for most people if they are able to see its veracity: the good of this world maintains evil, just as evil maintains goodness.

Consequently, if humanity does not change, does not break through to a totally different spiritual attitude far above all commonplace and dualistic ideas of goodness, then karma will continue to be created and so the undivine, illusory realm of duality will continue to exist; as long as man perseveres in his exploitation of his biological and primitive 'goodness', evil will ever accompany him. If man does not totally revolutionise himself spiritually, then he will remain bound to the lower worlds despite all his solemn declarations of goodness, love and friendship. For worldly goodness has its shadow, and man maintains that shadow just as he maintains his very own ego-self. "There is none good; no, not one". These words were once spoken by Jesus, the Piscean Christ, in reference to humanity on Earth, and they are among the most profound and true ever uttered.

The lack of this fundamental understanding is the cause of all the suffering in the world, and due warning was given back in the Garden of Eden days and is still to be found in the Book of Genesis: "...but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil".

Q: I understand!!!!

A: So do you see what these 'good spiritual warriors' are doing in their noble efforts to fight evil?

Q: I do. We must rise above it all. Both good and evil. Have nothing to do with either.

Wow! I clearly see how mankind remains in chains simply due to its lack of true understanding!

A: When we fight evil, we feed it: period. When we serve the opposite polarity of evil: good, we still feed duality and so karmically bind ourselves to the same illusion, which leads again and again to reincarnation and its inherent suffering in order to try to get it right next time.

That is why many amongst humanity today are getting occultly possessed, for it is the time of The Quickening and the polarities are more rapidly swinging.

Q: I see this happening everywhere.

A: Do-gooders are getting caught up in the battle of Armageddon. They are contributing towards its now rising power by focussing upon duality.

Q: What a trap. It all revolves around duality.

A: And if a spiritual warrior should choose to continue fighting evil personally, he will eventually become overrun by unholy forces as down he goes. This is the nature of Armageddon, and the 'service to other' people are fueling the 'service to self' crowd. It is the play of opposites in duality that keep one another alive, and that at the end of a cycle culminates in Armageddon: the final conflict between dualistic good and evil. Both STS and STO are battling under the banner of the 'antichrist', i.e., that which is not of the neutral Truth: anti-Truth or falsehood. Good is a lie, just as is evil. Self and other selves are both lies. And to serve either is to compound the lie in our own minds. There is only God.

Q: It has been so ingrained, during past and present incarnations of wrong education. Is that what is meant by some who aver that "Satan is coming to eat all of humanity"?

A: Satan is coming to eat himself in humanity. Duality always turns in on itself. The dualistic sphere that has almost suffocated Gaia today is about to be neutralized by the approaching Christ Consciousness, the Light of Truth.

Q: Is that why starseeds and walk-ins have come here?

A: Starseeds and walk-ins - most of them - are here today for a free karmic purge. Few are they who are here to go Home through Christ, for few are they who have not completely forgotten the Law: The Law of One vs the law of duality.

So if we are seeking to better serve humanity instead of simply aligning ourselves with God's Will, then we are embarking upon the rollercoaster of delusion, which will teach us via the pain of disappointment in the school of hard knocks.

There is only one thing to do in this life, especially at this time of the end of a major world cycle, and that is to seek God. When we find God - the living Truth - we observe that it is only God that serves, not ourselves, and that no amount of personal striving to be good or do good to others will help us to become empty in order to receive the omnipresent Grace of God. To the contrary, attachment to any dualistic ideas will delay our inevitable Return to God and teach us needed lessons through suffering.

[kha zarr]

First off forgive any assumptions I may make, they are out of a sincere desire to understand whats being discussed, in order to reach a harmonious state of being, nonbeing, etc. :)



So if we are seeking to better serve humanity instead of simply aligning ourselves with God's Will, then we are embarking upon the rollercoaster of delusion, which will teach us via the pain of disappointment in the school of hard knocks.

There is only one thing to do in this life, especially at this time of the end of a major world cycle, and that is to seek God.

While I most certainly believe theres no shortcuts in life, I dont think long cuts are fair to knock, either. We each have our own way of reaching God, and eventually, I believe, we will, according to our level of development. I know this might go off the mark a bit - Ive read your posts and actually, before I posted I was thinking about these very ideas, even typing them in and editing....service to self/other, Im very familiar w/these, at least on some level.

My only comment has to do w/'seeking god' -- leaving everything to God. How is this done, truly, realistically? Should I forget my daily existence and leave my ego blowing in the wind like tumbleweed? If good and bad are just illusions, why do I feel compelled to make "Good" choices over bad ones? I think of right and wrong as necessary dualities, more accurately, a continuum of accuracy or not having accuracy, aka gods barometer of how close I am, through each action/choice. I contend that in samsara there IS progress towards god and its not just illusion and wasting of many lifetimes. Besides those who may actually not progress, or even regress, I dont discount the existence of these at all - This notion of only through non-samsara can one reach paradise, gives me pause.

On one had, all earthly reincarnation literature implies that samsara/reincarnations go on forever w/no end in sight, and yet - the ironically dualistic opposite to this, is - poof! you "suddenly" enlighten, realize your error and somehow [???] become one w/god forever. Does this just happen, can one only truly be saved only by skipping samsara 'just like that'? And theres no instruction that is clear on how to do this, other than the noble eightfold path, or fitting in w/your 'caste'. Is it really that simple to just obey this - and how does anyone truly know it is the right way? Surely the non-samsara way is much more difficult to achieve, after all theres a time element pressure, you must get it right while alive, one shot right? Is it something you do after death maybe, but before re-entering the physical realm again?? Ive heard theories on this but theyre all very confusing.

Is the self-perfecting universe a place, if you were god, that you'd 'want' to only let very very few spirits realize their full potential, and by that having earned it only through bypassing samsara? Some say life is only suffering and a 'trap' - but if we exist physically only to suffer what kind of God is God?? Would you still exist if youre light couldnt develop itself sufficiently [the light in your creations]? Its hard for me to imagine that with all the different life experiences had by those going through the cycle of rebirth, that almost no purifying [progress towards godliness] is taking place. If however paths to God are not fixed to only one way, and the pure intent reaches the source, samsara or no, so long as to be completely detached from illusions, then so be that. Examine all dualities, including that of pathways to god - Notice too, the concept is full circle, for seeking god is focusing and visualizing intention to resonate w/god [not to 'grasp' it]. Our mind is a piece of god, a very small fragment. We were given it, I believe, to develop this piece our own way, but ultimately in gods direction. There is no 'competition' to get there - BUT, in order to live well, and progress well, it would do us all well - to examine all dualities, including and especially doctrines that propose salvation, despite their esoteric sources.

[apemachine]

You say that it takes power from those who control at present, this is not true. It actually feeds them. While people continue to feed the illusion of self they are in fact perpetuating the illusion of "illusional reality". Awakening to the true path is one of diminishing the self not feeding it with illusions. The dark forces of the earth feed upon the ethers created by humanity through self perpetuation.

I do not believe that people realizing that the power of their lives and destinies lies within their hearts and minds feeds the ruling elite, it simply doesn't add up for me.

Just because you realize that we are the creators of this reality doesn't mean that you "feed the illusion of self", because you can realize these things and still believe that we are all one, as do I.

Just because this reality/dimension is a holographic illusion doesn't mean that we can't enjoy it and have fun with it.

I could never believe in a thing like "one true path", like there is just one way to go.. stuff like that just seem ignorant to me, no offense.

[kha zarr]

its ironic, ill keep this one short[er] - yeah i didnt expect to go off on a tangent like that --- talk about illusion ;p

your quote also [bluestar] contains 'fight evil, you feed it ' actually applies to the secret! Bad emotions and negativity ensure no outcome, or negative ones - its the law of attraction, determined by choices [magnetic thoughts are choices].

is the secret/ l.o.a. feeding evil? if so its due to dishonesty in the heart. but is it doing that? yes it is if it promotes attachment w/in monetary system as its primary selling point.... but as yet noone has come forward to propose any viable solutions, its a hard problem to fix.

Im thinking of getting davids 'i.l.i.t.o.t.e.e.i.illusion' book. yay abbreviations xP

[bluestar]

Dear Ape machine,

What power do you honestly think you have? "Self Power" is the illusion!
It is what keeps our divine spark in slumber and all of us under the control of darkness. It is the great lie!
Within you deep and slumbering is a little spark that is asleep. When and if that can be aroused -that is the true source of ones being. By diminshing the illusions of selfhood does one truly awaken. It is through the identification with this illusionary reality that we stay enthralled by it. Only when it comes into true awakening does it see the underlying reality of the true unity.
When we offer our inner light to the outer darkness it feeds our illusions, subverting our energy through our personalities to feed itself.

[bluestar]

What the True Path is Not
AN EXCERPT FROM THE BOOK: SERVERS OF THE DIVINE PLAN

Recognition of what is not will always facilitate the realisation of what is. Experience is the greatest teacher, and the universe is designed in such a perfect way that should one's actions go against divine law, then that person will know the pain of what is false in order that he may recognise and appreciate that which is righteous and true.

There are many examples in the world of what the True Path is not, and these, as demonstrated by the multitudes of naïve seekers who are wandering in the spiritual supermarket, are most prevalent today. A significant proportion of such spiritual aspirants manage to muster their will enough to forsake the pursuits of outwardly selfish and worldly aims, yet only in order to derive greater happiness for themselves, to attain liberation from personal problems, or to gain various other advantages. Thus, in following such personal desires they repeatedly fall into the error of the separated and limited ego, which necessarily leads them away from the Truth, for the Truth is necessarily impersonal; in embracing all life the same, it can never be captured or hoarded for the personal self alone.

It may be appreciated that pure artists who create for the love of their work are often more firmly planted upon the right road than spiritual aspirants who may fancy that they have removed their interest from self, but who have in reality only expanded the limits of their experience and desire, and transferred their interest to the things which concern their own larger span of life. Such misguided seekers seem to forget that if they are to attain the greater heights of spiritual success, then their search cannot be made for their own sake. It is an inescapable fact that in order to know real spiritual fulfilment, one's own little self must be forgotten, for in self-forgetfulness liberation is experienced: liberation from the separative ego, which is the source of all pain and sorrow. Now, if the self has been forgotten altogether, then one cannot be thinking about when or how that self should be set free, what kind of happiness it will have or what type of ascended master it will become!

An ancient occult maxim affirms that energy follows thought. As all manifested life is composed of energy, that which is focussed upon by the mind grows. Having identified that it is the separated self which is the cause of all suffering, it may be clearly seen that to focus upon that self at all is to perpetuate its isolated existence, thereby protracting the quest for liberation. All desire binds, however high or holy may be its objective, and until the grasping desires of the ego are purified in the light of Wisdom and natural, selfless dedication to further the purposes of the Greater Life, no real freedom or happiness can ever be experienced or enjoyed. In fact, true and complete happiness must include the happiness of those around us, and ultimately also that of each and every living thing with which we are inseparably connected.

Selfish orientation, doubt, fear, ignorance of universal law, etc. all contribute toward the personal cloud, which befogs one's perception of Reality and so prevents the unenlightened from reading the secrets from the Book of Nature, which lies permanently open all around us. Nothing is or can ever be hidden from us except by our own self-imposed limitations. However, as we evolve from our preoccupation with the very limited personal self, our reality grows progressively broader because our expanding perceptions are able to behold more and more of the divine grandeur, loveliness, interconnectivity and magnificent all-pervading Intelligence of the Greater Self. As far as humanity is concerned, therefore, limitation is synonymous with selfishness, whether that selfishness be worldly or religious. Dogmatism, blind faith and self-seeking religiosity do not constitute the True Path.

In being unresponsive to the needs and feelings of others, the habitually self-centred person is necessarily cut off from the greater part of life. Thus, they are unable to experience love, and are therefore invariably unhappy. There is but one great enemy on the road to the realisation of one's own divinity and corresponding happiness, and that is one's own egotism. Upon the True Path we can never truly retain something that we are unable to give away to another person who may benefit from our gift of love, and we can never be free of the thing that we endeavour to hold onto only for ourselves, for we then become enslaved by it. The True Path, then, has nothing whatsoever to do with the ego-self.

[bluestar]

Hey Khazar-

There is a definate process to awakening. Yes- as one first begings to understand that somewhere is a path out of this mess, it is right for the to seek and serve in accordance with their conscience. However, it also depends on ones intention- if one is truly seeking for God, or are seeking for themselves.
The path to truth is losing ones illusions, dissolving ones ego in the light of the world soul. It is a process of diminishing.
Those who seek God to empower their illusions of self hood are seeking the wrong way around. The mind cannot know god but under right conditions can express the light within - if properly aligned and awoken.

[bluestar]

PROTECTION FROM EVIL

Q. Do you also experience aggression from the invisible worlds? How to protect ourselves?

A. Always. But the clouds pass swiftly because I do not struggle with the opposing forces, but instead - and in understanding well the nature of this world and the Law of Cause and Effect - I ignore them. "Resist not evil." - Jesus.

It is not wisest to think in terms of 'protection'. What part of your Self (the One) do you feel that you need to protect or segregate yourself from? Remember, Love is the greatest protector and benefactor for all. Love requires no protection; it does not think in this way. Only fear thinks in terms of protecting itself, hence, since like attracts like, fear opens itself wide for psychic attack.

There was once an abbot of a Tibetan Buddhist monastery who decided to clairvoyantly observe two of his monks as they took part in a public chanting. He watched as the first monk, realising that he was surrounded by the dense and desirous thought-forms of the general public, created an astral and etheric shell around himself which appeared like a very fine crystal auric field and prevented anything of a lower vibration from entering his personal consciousness.

The abbot then turned his penetrating gaze upon the second monk. He noticed how this other monk, in his selfless devotion, had a pure white vertical link with divine realms through his crown chakra as he was simultaneously radiating a beautiful pink and blue light all around himself, blessing others in the group yet without necessarily being conscious of such a positive side effect of his devotions.

The abbot concluded that the second monk was actually far better protected and much more advanced in his methods of chanting and worship than the first.

The abbot would have concluded thus because personally-constructed protective fields are limited in that they are only effective in proportion to the personal development of the individual who creates them, and they last only as long as the personal will of the individual has the strength to maintain them. Whereas the second type of 'protection', being fed by inexhaustible divine energy, would have been infinitely more powerful and not prone to wane as long as the monk held fast to his selfless devotion which, as far as the sincere personality is concerned, is as relatively effortless as it is joyful.

Union is harmony and strength. But before we can qualify for group-communion with the Christ-Hierarchy and to thereby partake in all the advantages of such divine solidarity, we must prove our worth alone and in darkness. This is what Isaiah was speaking of when he wrote about "the treasures of darkness".

[apemachine]

Dear Ape machine,

What power do you honestly think you have? "Self Power" is the illusion!
It is what keeps our divine spark in slumber and all of us under the control of darkness. It is the great lie!
Within you deep and slumbering is a little spark that is asleep. When and if that can be aroused -that is the true source of ones being. By diminshing the illusions of selfhood does one truly awaken. It is through the identification with this illusionary reality that we stay enthralled by it. Only when it comes into true awakening does it see the underlying reality of the true unity.
When we offer our inner light to the outer darkness it feeds our illusions, subverting our energy through our personalities to feed itself.

I think humans posess a great power, and that we have a choice to use this power for good or bad. Do you not believe in free will then?

The very reason that many humans doesn't do anything about the current state the earth and mankind is in is because they believe that they do not have any power to change things. In my point of view this is one of mankinds main issues, the belief that we are a powerless, weak excuse of a race. I can be in this illusion and still know that I am not of it, I am merely in it. The true essence of me is more of a force that has chosen to have this experience and live in this reality, if only just this one time, that I can't be sure of though.

By the sound of it, you doesn't seem to apreciate much of what this reality has to offer. I on the other hand can see meaning, love and beautiful things in this reality, even if it is currently hidden behind a dark shadow many times. I'm not one of those "everythings is sun and flowers"-people, I see that we have major problems but at the same time I have hope.

[bluestar]

The true power which mankind has -is in its inner potential, yet it is not "theirs".
The self would seek to harness and contol this power to utilise for its own benefit -whether it be good or evil? How would your "I" do this?
Have you ever thought that the "I" is the very evil that keeps you in this world of illusions?
Should mankind truly still and open the world soul could more efficiently work through the puriefied ego for true divine service. Christ gave a great indication when he said -seek the kingdom first.

[markhowie]

aloha all
i feel very similar to bluestar in the fact that
fims like the secret show a small part of some of the ways of being , theres alot missing
il take it again:
for me it is a very self orientated film
about personal wants/desires/manifestations
How many films books and other info go out to the masses
with an intent on "the greater good of everything"
past present and future
i do not say that this film is wrong or anything like this
id say that it is incompleet
and as the speeding up of capacity of learning
the shortening of the distance between intention and manifestation
if feel as is i could be very carefull of what forms i hold on to

Hili hewa ka mana'o ke 'ole ke kukakuka (ideas run wild without discussion)

@+ mark

[tru3]

aloha all
ifor me it is a very self orientated film
about personal wants/desires/manifestations
How many films books and other info go out to the masses
with an intent on "the greater good of everything"
past present and future
i do not say that this film is wrong or anything like this
id say that it is incompleet

Hili hewa ka mana'o ke 'ole ke kukakuka (ideas run wild without discussion)

@+ mark


well said, mark.

[myeika]

If the universe obliges this behavior, whats to stop a NWO doing what they 'want'?? In this case, Id want a *different* secret, since I dont want to just get whatever thing I want in the time being, I wouldnt learn anything if I did. Certain limits are necessary, arent they? Restrictions, like rules on this site, or in this quantum physical realm. The real question to me is, how can I tell if the limit Im imposing on myself is one I should, or one I shouldnt impose?? Its not so easy to notice! In fact at times it can feel nearly downright impossible. Ive only watched first 4 parts so who knows. But Im skeptical it could really REALLY work the way I want it to. Im exTREMEly doubtful. But sure, I do want it to work, who the heck wouldnt!!

Hi.......:)

I have only watched it the once, gonna watch it again this afternoon.....but my first understanding is that no matter what you think/feel you will get back....No Rules......No Limits..... - it is what many different people have been telling everyone for so long.........

It is it's own rule...........

The reason that it doesn't work foe everyone is for a few reasons........
a) they dont feel like they deserve it......
b) they dont believe that it will work.......
c) they enjoy - are adicted to - the feelings they get from neg thinking and drama which they create in their life....
d) they impose limits and hold it back!

The reason I feel that people dont believe it - which works well for the ones who know how to use it, is because it seems so simple, so easy........

It is........

Go do it........

It works.........

The first time you get your chosen result, and believe me, it can happen quick, you will then find it easier to create things in your mind and with your feelings in the future......

Be aware of the secret working within your life........

You will be happy you did......


You see, I didn't realise that it worked for everything, or how it worked, I just knew how to do it for certain things.....I imposed my own limits, because I felt it was "Wrong" to use it for other means......Health and wealth etc....

Understanding it better now, I have realised that it just happens.....if I want it, I can have it....... - I know that sounds sort of boasting talk, but it isn't, it is just a fact........

I believe it is knowing what you want that matters! because when you start to think about it.......welll..... :rolleyes:

Just my pennys worth!!!!......

[i am all i am]

Dear Ape machine,

What power do you honestly think you have? "Self Power" is the illusion!
It is what keeps our divine spark in slumber and all of us under the control of darkness. It is the great lie!
Within you deep and slumbering is a little spark that is asleep. When and if that can be aroused -that is the true source of ones being. By diminshing the illusions of selfhood does one truly awaken. It is through the identification with this illusionary reality that we stay enthralled by it. Only when it comes into true awakening does it see the underlying reality of the true unity.
When we offer our inner light to the outer darkness it feeds our illusions, subverting our energy through our personalities to feed itself.

Post #36
"...Both good and evil do not exist in Truth. All dualities are mind born delusion..."

Self power is the only power because all is one. Your own text states this clearly Bluestar, "...All dualities are mind born delusion...".

You are projecting your own illusion upon others. All is GOD. There is nothing but GOD. Apemachine is GOD. To "diminish the illusion of selfhood" is an attempt to make GOD less and therefore make Apemachine and everyone else less. To "truly awaken" is to realise that you are GOD and thus expand your idea of self, for GOD is ALL THAT IS, and this includes you.


With LOVE.
______________________________________

WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[bluestar]

Iam-

This is lucerferic spirituality- if you are saying that all down here is god then you must also say that pain, death and suffering are of God as well. Have you ever thought that perhaps we are in a fallen reality down here, that the creator of this matrix is undivine?
Those who deny the suffering of these realms and exist within their own little bubbles of astral bliss have in fact totally sealed themselves off from experiencing divine reality which exists beyond the temporal. The "Iam" is not the divine if it is found through the personality- remember it is said in gnostic texts that satanael ushered those very words. The divine reply was "you are mistaken!"

[i am all i am]

Iam-

This is lucerferic spirituality- if you are saying that all down here is god then you must also say that pain, death and suffering are of God as well. Have you ever thought that perhaps we are in a fallen reality down here, that the creator of this matrix is undivine?
Those who deny the suffering of these realms and exist within their own little bubbles of astral bliss have in fact totally sealed themselves off from experiencing divine reality which exists beyond the temporal. The "Iam" is not the divine if it is found through the personality- remember it is said in gnostic texts that satanael ushered those very words. The divine reply was "you are mistaken!"

Love creates, fear destroys.

Fear (what you call "lucerferic") cannot create, it merely misrepresents/distorts. God is ALL THAT IS and free to express in any way it so desires. The personality, humanity, is a part of ALL THAT IS (made in the image of God) and has the same choice to express itself, that is, however it so desires. Born in sin, being kicked out of the garden of eden, fallen angels, these are religous dogma to attempt to control individual thoughts to create physical responses from fear (pain, death, suffering, etc).

The illusion (that of seperation for all is truly one) is here to give a reference point so that ALL THAT IS could know itself experientially. For as you know, in the absence of that which you are not, you cannot experience yourself. To have choice, free will, requires there to be a choice of not being who you truly are (ALL THAT IS / GOD) and this is where lies, pain, fear are the opportunity for you to experience yourself as not ALL THAT IS. Humanity has been manipulated to express, and therefore experience, lies, pain and fear so that they can be 'fed' upon.

As ALL THAT IS / GOD is expressed in three (remember "...All dualities are mind born delusion..."), here/there/in between, past/present/future, subconcious/concious/supraconcious, truth/love/joy, etc., so the ego, being an aspect of ALL THAT IS, can be expressed in three.

MIND..........THOUGHT..........ENJOYING GODS OPINION

BODY..........ACTION............EXPERIENCING GODS ONENESS

SOUL..........WORD...............ENPRESSING GODS ORDERS

OPINION = PERSONAL BELIEF
ONENESS = UNITY
ORDERS = INSTRUCTIONS

This makes the ego the tool of ALL THAT IS / GOD (through the individuated self) to express and therefore experience oneness (the TRUE self), without the loss of the individuated self.

Remember what you have written, "...Both good and evil do not exist in truth. All dualities are mind born delusion...", therefore, the "delusion" is that there is something else than ALL THAT IS / GOD and that this something could create anything. Only the ONENESS (ALL THAT IS / GOD) creates, everything else is "mind born delusion".


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[i_am]

Excerpts from Soul Psychology – Keys to Ascension by Dr Joshua Davd Stone Pages 38, 39

Sai Baba says “ the mind creates bondage, or the mind creates liberation.”

Heaven and hell may be places but first they are states of mind. When the ego is your guide or teacher you are in hell. When soul consciousness is your guide or teacher, you are in heaven.

The absurdity of the ego is quite obvious: God created you and you created the ego. However you have been letting the ego be the ultimate authority. It is time to gain mastery over your mind, emotions, physical body and ego.

It is not God’s job to get rid of the ego. You created it so you can get rid of it.

This is something I jotted down in 1999 some months before I read that. a friend was saying that mind and ego were the same thing. I was trying to rationalise that concept :p

June 22 1999

Are Mind and Ego one and the same?
I don’t believe so!
The mind can be manipulated by the ego or purely a receptacle for the awareness.
The thought must first be received by the mind before a feeling/emotion can be triggered.
If the thought comes from the awareness the ego then goes to work to override, discredit or rationalise it.
Therefore the mind is not the ego – but, in most cases, it is the vessel whereby the ego gains supremacy.
When the mind denounces the ego (physical/separateness) and embraces the awareness (spiritual/I AM) it is at that time one stops thinking and starts knowing . One has re-membered.


I invite your thoughts but please be gentle:o

[tru3]

Iam-

This is lucerferic spirituality- if you are saying that all down here is god then you must also say that pain, death and suffering are of God as well. Have you ever thought that perhaps we are in a fallen reality down here, that the creator of this matrix is undivine?
Those who deny the suffering of these realms and exist within their own little bubbles of astral bliss have in fact totally sealed themselves off from experiencing divine reality which exists beyond the temporal. The "Iam" is not the divine if it is found through the personality- remember it is said in gnostic texts that satanael ushered those very words. The divine reply was "you are mistaken!"

there is simply Self, shining through, in ever present clear awareness. everything else is illusion. Grace is available to all, in every instant. imv, enlightenment is not gaining anything; if it were to be gained anew, it would not be permanent and therefore not worth having. it is simply stripping away all that is impermanent and unreal. the only sane response to an insane world is compassion. Compassion smiles on a murderer in the same light as a newborn babe. life is for-giving me a chance to choose love where i once chose fear. The path to Grace runs through forgiveness, through each and every heart. without it, we are truly lost and alone. that is hell.

here's the good news! no Heart is ever healed alone! :) that's how i see it.

[i am all i am]

This is something I jotted down in 1999 some months before I read that. a friend was saying that mind and ego were the same thing. I was trying to rationalise that concept :p

June 22 1999

Are Mind and Ego one and the same?
I don’t believe so!
The mind can be manipulated by the ego or purely a receptacle for the awareness.
The thought must first be received by the mind before a feeling/emotion can be triggered.
If the thought comes from the awareness the ego then goes to work to override, discredit or rationalise it.
Therefore the mind is not the ego – but, in most cases, it is the vessel whereby the ego gains supremacy.
When the mind denounces the ego (physical/separateness) and embraces the awareness (spiritual/I AM) it is at that time one stops thinking and starts knowing . One has re-membered.

I invite your thoughts but please be gentle:o

Thanks for the invite I am and I promise to be gentle.

Wow, where to start.
How about with numbers and geometry. 1 becomes 3 by creating 2. The ONENESS / ALL THAT IS is the 1 (think of it as a dot). When the 1 moves in two directions simultaneously (the dot becomes a line with the dot as the centre) 3 is created (perspective). As we know two/duality is an illusion, there are really three aspects (here/there/in between, left/right/middle, etc.). The illusion is seperateness, there are really three parts to the one thing. As all is one, we are created in the image of the creator. In other words, the one part (the ego) is the individuated aspect that expresses itself through mind, body, soul (which in turn creates through thought, action, word).

A way to see this infront of you is to write the word ONE on a piece of paper and then turn the paper upside down. Now, using the O add another NE. What you get is 3NONE. The Hebrew word has been translated as I AM THAT I AM, but also has two other meanings, being I AM WHICH I AM and I AM WHO I AM. Three aspects, which leaves us with the one aspect to work out or understand. My view is I AM ALL I AM. To me this coincides with ALL THAT IS, the sum total, the everything (LOVE/GOD/THE CREATOR ETC.).

This would leave/create the ego as the microcosm to the macrocosm of life (the ALL).

Going back to numbers and geometry, we know that the Flower Of Life (FOL) is a pattern that represents, geometrically, all of life (all geometrical patterns are contained within the FOL). Well, once 1 creates 2 and becomes 3, the next number created is 3, thus becoming 6. The FOL is one circle with six circles surrounding it. Thus, the ego (the 1) is surrounded by mind, body, soul and thought, action, word (the 6). Therefore, the ego, or individuated aspect, is expressed outwardly through mind, body, soul and thought, action, word, thus being able to interact with every other individuated aspect.

Thus we have..........

MIND----------E----------THOUGHT
BODY----------G----------ACTION
SOUL----------O----------WORD

If you draw out the FOL, it's easier to see than the way I just depicted it.

The concept behind the ego came to me last night through a discussion with Giftfromgoduk on another thread. Although I have been 'putting this together' (funny that, it already was here) for the last 7-8 years. Anyway........

ENJOYING GODS OPINION - Ego expressed through the mind experienced as thought. Opinion is individual belief. Another way of saying it could be, bringing joy to the belief of God.

EXPERIENCING GODS ONENESS - Ego expressed through the body experienced as action. Oneness is unity. It also could be said as, uniting the experience of God.

EXPRESSING GODS ORDERS - Ego expressed through the soul experienced as word. Order is instruction. Another way of saying it could be, instructing the ordered expression of God.

This would be re-membering the ego. Or creating the ego as a member of God again. This may be the reason for physical incarnation, another way of saying that we are here to experience who we truly are, GOD / ALL THAT IS / ONENESS.

I've written this for the first time, so it may be a bit disjointed. I also cooked dinner, an organic vegan pizza, in the middle of it. Almost time to eat.

As for Sai Baba, I find I have a negative resonance with him. I've seen a program where ex-members say that he is a paedophile among other things. For me it's more along the lines of something that I read in 'Conversations with God' by Neale Donald Walsch. I'm paraphrasing, "If you see the Buddha walking down the street run the other way". Simply meaning, that if someone allows others to treat them as more special than everyone else, then they are a fraud, for this is not what a truly enlightened being would do because we are all one.

Well, this is my understanding as I have written it. Hopefully we can discuss this and tighten up anything that is a bit loose, give it a tweak so to say.

Thank you again I am for inviting this discussion and I would be pleased to continue discussing it further with you. Any thoughts that you have would be welcome and I hope that I was gentle with you.

Time for pizza (homemade sauce, mushroom, red onion, pineapple, capsicum, corn and olives).


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[myeika]

For me it's more along the lines of something that I read in 'Conversations with God' by Neale Donald Walsch. I'm paraphrasing, "If you see the Buddha walking down the street run the other way". Simply meaning, that if someone allows others to treat them as more special than everyone else, then they are a fraud, for this is not what a truly enlightened being would do because we are all one.



Hi......

Your pizza sounds wonderful........mmmmm

IMHO - I have to agree with what you said. Every thing here is so special, not just me, or you or who ever but everthing! The books 'Conversations with God' Or as I came to call them -Conversations with God. Now thats what I call chatting 2 & 3 - are great, I very much enjoyed reading them....and learnt much from them!



Then taking it one step further if I may...... If you have awakened and are a truly enlightened being, your thoughts will all be possitive/creative/uplifting and so to me this is how the secret works for good. Anyone can use the secret, its there it works but if used with a neg mind/heart others can get hurt, enlightened beings use it with love grattitude and a true heart......

Sometimes it is so hard to say things as words just dont seem to be able to discribe what I am feeling and trying to get across! lol....

Have a wonderful day.......

[i_am]

Thanks for the invite I am and I promise to be gentle.

Wow, where to start.
As for Sai Baba, I find I have a negative resonance with him. I've seen a program where ex-members say that he is a paedophile among other things. For me it's more along the lines of something that I read in 'Conversations with God' by Neale Donald Walsch. I'm paraphrasing, "If you see the Buddha walking down the street run the other way". Simply meaning, that if someone allows others to treat them as more special than everyone else, then they are a fraud, for this is not what a truly enlightened being would do because we are all one.

I think I am going to have to read all of that ten or twenty times to digest it :o

However I do feel the same way about Sai baba as you do. I have read all of the for and against stuff and I do not believe that we need gurus anyway. I think that whole scenario is counter-productive. I think from memory that only the part of 'the mind creates bondage or the mind creates liberation' was actually a quote of Sai Baba and I can identify with that statement while not identifying with the person.

mind -e- thought
body -g-action
soul -o-word

In the beginning there was the word.

Could it be the soul (word) gave the mind the thought which then provoked an action from the body?

Oh Hell!! I am now going to find my little laminated FOL and see what you are talking about as my my brain is having a mild seizure :eek:

[i_am]

Ok, just throwing another possibility in to the arena.

A chapter from The Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East. This book says that the holy trinity is Spirit, mind and body. It says mind and soul are one.


If, in thinking of man as a trinity of Spirit, mind and body, we consider him principally from the standpoint of mind, or soul, we shall see that he occupies a position between two great extremes of mental activity, the lower of which is the body and the higher, the spirit.
Mind is the connecting link between the visible and invisible. When operating on the plane of the senses, the mind becomes the seat of all the animal appetites and passions.
Standing between spirit and body, though separated from neither, the soul (or mind) is capable of thinking even lower than the brute thinks; or it may enter into conscious union with spirit where there is an abundance of peace, purity and God Power.


So according to that it would appear that the mind (soul) when operating from the physical senses then, in separation, becomes the ego in which case my friend who said mind and ego were the same would be correct.

So that would mean the spirit (word) could give the thought to the mind which would come from the highest vibration and be one with all. Equally, the body(action) could give the thought to the mind in which case it would a base instinct from lower vibrational forces (the five senses) and would therefore be ego driven.

[i am all i am]

G'day Myeika,

The pizza was spectacular, thanks.

I actually met and talked to Neale in Adyar bookstore in Sydney. He isn't an example of the message, but I agree with you that the books are great. I've read pretty much the whole series, although I don't see myself at the moment reading the one he has just released (Home with God ?). I picked it up at a bookstore to have a look and it didn't 'feel right', if you know what I mean. 'Communion with God' is great for the ten illusions of humanity, and you can find gems in all the others as well.

Words are merely the description and not what you describe, so I understand the difficulty in describing how you feel with words. I've used poetry to write down the understandings that I have received, and as much as it makes me feel good, the experience is difficult to put into words, although it does get easier the more you do it. Having a friend help to put music to the poetry has helped because I can always sing the message, it's like a re-affirmation, and the music definitely brings out more feeling.

Thanks for the reply and welcome to the discussion.


With LOVE.
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[i am all i am]

I think I am going to have to read all of that ten or twenty times to digest it :o
mind -e- thought
body -g-action
soul -o-word

In the beginning there was the word.

Could it be the soul (word) gave the mind the thought which then provoked an action from the body?

Oh Hell!! I am now going to find my little laminated FOL and see what you are talking about as my my brain is having a mild seizure :eek:

I am pleased that you would take the time to read it ten or twenty times, thank you (although you probably didn't quite mean it that way ?).

I read once that the correct translation was the verb, not the word. So I would agree with you as a verb is a doing word.

I actually had the FOL done up as posters, 1500 of them. They've been great to give as gifts. I've used them for many different functions, including meditation. Staring at them and letting your thoughts go to see what comes up is a lot of fun. I actually started with the FOL by drawing it and then seeing how many different ways I could come up with to draw it. All different geometrical patterns started to come out after that. I don't know if you understand how to draw the FOL so I'll give you a quick tip, if you already know just ignore this next bit.

Get your compass and draw a circle. Go to the edge of the circle and put the point of the compass on the line. Draw another circle. Now where the lines of the new circle intersect the original circle, place the point of your compass and draw another circle. Keep doing this until you have six circles around the original circle.

The pattern can be expanded outwards infinitely. I have done a couple on graph paper (80cm x 56cm) and painted them with a friend, it took a bit of time to do. The energy from the hand done patterns peaks way over the printed posters.


With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

Ok, just throwing another possibility in to the arena.

So according to that it would appear that the mind (soul) when operating from the physical senses then, in separation, becomes the ego in which case my friend who said mind and ego were the same would be correct.

So that would mean the spirit (word) could give the thought to the mind which would come from the highest vibration and be one with all. Equally, the body(action) could give the thought to the mind in which case it would a base instinct from lower vibrational forces (the five senses) and would therefore be ego driven.

Having studied Wing Chun Kung Fu, I can say that the spirit (to me spirit and soul are interchangeable/same) can also activate the body without thought. Bruce Lee describes the time when he discovers/learns the "be like water" understanding. It was after he was sent home from class by Grand Master Yip Man during some sparing because Yip Man wanted him to get away from training to let go of the effort he was using. He had pulled Bruce aside and told him that he was allowing 'deliberating thoughts' to interfere with his actions/movements. Allowing the spirit to control the body is faster than allowing the mind to because the mind has to recognise what is happening and then think of a response. Actually, Wing Chun has six principles, one of them being Chi Sao, or touch reflexes. Touch is five times faster than sight. Being blindfolded and sparring is a training method that bypasses the mind and was used in the training that I did.

So, from my experience, both mind and body can be directed from the spirit/soul aspect. It is when either the mind or the body thinks that it is in control of the totality of the being, that which is usually understood as ego (societies negative concept) takes over. So the mind or body could conceive of itself as the ego (the 1/the creator) and misrepresent the true nature of the ego, considering itself supreme/in charge. Balance, or harmony, between the three aspects, I believe, is what allows you to 'be connected' in all moments. This allows each aspect to 'play its part' in the 'game'. It's like each musician in a band playing their part and not attempting to take over the song and make it theirs. The game, or the song, is then played perfectly because each part works together to create the whole.


With LOVE.

[myeika]

G'day Myeika,

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Thanks for the reply and welcome to the discussion.




Thank you for the welcome...... I am reading with interest!

[i_am]

I am pleased that you would take the time to read it ten or twenty times, thank you (although you probably didn't quite mean it that way ?).

With LOVE.

LOL I have copied it to read later. :D

I have been working all day today and things kept popping into my mind in regards to Spirit, soul, mind, body etc and I was jotting them down.

Then I read that other thread re: the Secret and all of the blown up egos in there and thought...nah!!

It matters not if you are (right?) or I am. I don't like the word right. That intimates separateness ,ego, and anything else is wrong.

What is important is that our minds are open and we discussed it and others reading this discourse are hopefully thinking and doing their own research.

I am going to Bali tomorrow and coming back on the day of the Forum Experiment so I have lots to think about :p

[i am all i am]

LOL I have copied it to read later. :D

I have been working all day today and things kept popping into my mind in regards to Spirit, soul, mind, body etc and I was jotting them down.

Then I read that other thread re: the Secret and all of the blown up egos in there and thought...nah!!

It matters not if you are (right?) or I am. I don't like the word right. That intimates separateness ,ego, and anything else is wrong.

What is important is that our minds are open and we discussed it and others reading this discourse are hopefully thinking and doing their own research.

I am going to Bali tomorrow and coming back on the day of the Forum Experiment so I have lots to think about :p

I'm hearing you brother. I decided to not post anything, it didn't feel conducive to open discussion, merely how well you could debate. While I can pull apart what has been said very well, I (the ego) would only be doing this in defense of a personal attack (on my own body or anothers). Flexing the mental muscle becomes as pointless as having a physical fight. If it isn't something that I can utilise in my experience, what is the point ?

Right and wrong becomes meaningless when you understand the oneness. They show themselves to be duality/illusion, distraction from untiy.

I had some thoughts about having an open mind years ago. If you have an open mind, does this mean that anything can come into it ? When I asked myself this I started to think differently. I came up with the idea of an open heart (one that gives love freely), a truthful voice and a loving mind (the thought behind the thought being based in love, the sponsoring thought).

Someone in the house just put on Metallica (the black album) and it instantly reminded me of the words from 'Nothing Else Matters'. "All these words I don't just say". A great motto for a truthful voice.

In regards to Spirit, mind, body, etc., I looked at putting them together with the five elements. In fact, I also used the five shapes in nature (equi-distant cross, square, five-pointed star, circle, spiral), the five platonic solids (icosahedron, tetrahedron, cube, octahedron, dodecahedron), the five elements of a song (melody, word, reason, rythym, rhyme or music, vocals, song, tempo, harmony) among others. A friend and I were writing songs together, me mainly the lyrics, putting the understandings into song, and one thing lead to another. The five elements I called SPIRIT, WATER, EARTH, HEAVEN (Air) and FIRE. I set up a table for all the different groups of five. With body, mind, soul, love, form, being another grouping of five. So I started using the idea that love formed body, mind, soul. Anyway, each one I placed under an element and came up with a further idea in relation to dimensions with it. The five dimensions being, left/right, back/front, up/down, inside/outside and male/female. Each dimension then became an expression in word into six dimensions: One (1st), Choice (2nd), Expression (3rd), Experience (4th), Awareness (5th) and Divinity (6th). The reason for each one I worked out from thinking numerologically ( 1 = one, 2 = choice, etc.). Then I decided to put them into words, so here goes....

LOVE IS THE ONE CHOICE THAT CREATES THE EXPRESSION OF ALL THOUGHTS, WORDS AND ACTIONS THAT GUIDE THE EXPERIENCE OF THE AWARENESS OF DIVINITY.

That was a bit long-winded, but I wanted to explain where the idea came from.

Enjoy your trip to Bali I am. I look forward to more discussion and would love to continue hearing your ideas and thoughts.


With LOVE.
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[i_am]

I'm hearing you brother.

err...That would be sister :p

I decided to not post anything, it didn't feel conducive to open discussion, merely how well you could debate. While I can pull apart what has been said very well, I (the ego) would only be doing this in defense of a personal attack (on my own body or anothers). Flexing the mental muscle becomes as pointless as having a physical fight. If it isn't something that I can utilise in my experience, what is the point ?

Yep. A discussion and exchanging of views is a good thing but all of that intellectualising leaves me cold, I'm afraid.

Enjoy your trip to Bali I am. I look forward to more discussion and would love to continue hearing your ideas and thoughts.

Thank you.

Some people I know have built/are building a school and Ashram in Ubud and I thought I would love to go and have a look at what they are doing. Weeell, my daughter, who lives in Darwin and a friend were planning a trip to Bali. When they selected the package they liked, the travel agent told them that it was a 'pay for two, get one free' deal. They sent me an email and said, "do you want to go to Bali?" Of course I am not going free but split three ways instead of two made a good deal even better. I am flying to Darwin tomorrow and then Bali on Friday actually.

Gee, you could almost call that manifesting. If you believed in that sort of stuff :D :D

[i am all i am]

err...That would be sister

That was written without thought by me. I should have asked first. I hope that you were not offended.

With LOVE.

[i_am]

That was written without thought by me. I should have asked first. I hope that you were not offended.

With LOVE.

Me? Offended? Not a bit. I think I must sound like a bloke 'cos quite a few people have called me matey, bro, fella and one or two others I can't remember. I just laughed and let it go but thought maybe it was time to set the record straight :D

[i am all i am]

Me? Offended? Not a bit. I think I must sound like a bloke 'cos quite a few people have called me matey, bro, fella and one or two others I can't remember. I just laughed and let it go but thought maybe it was time to set the record straight :D

Consider the record and me straightened.


With LOVE,
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[neondestiny]

Hiya I am all I am,
Thought I would pop over and check this thread out, if nothing more than to catch up with you and see where all this resonates with me personally.

I had some thoughts about having an open mind years ago. If you have an open mind, does this mean that anything can come into it ? When I asked myself this I started to think differently. I came up with the idea of an open heart (one that gives love freely), a truthful voice and a loving mind (the thought behind the thought being based in love, the sponsoring thought).

I saw this funny sig below on another forum some time back I thought may make you giggle in regards to the above re: open mind.

"I used to have an open mind, but my brains kept falling out" lol used to always make me laugh when I saw it.
An open heart is good thing to have.

I will have a look at the video/s and links now as from the posts here it has really piqued my curiosity. I look forward to discussing it with you and others here.
Brightest of Blessings
Neon xxx

[i am all i am]

G'day Neondestiny,

Welcome to the thread.
I laughed at the sig, thanks for sharing it.
Hope you have fun in this 'part of creation'.

Heaps of thanks for the poetry.com link. I read the two poems you had linked as well. I can feel in them that you truly love your family. Once again, thank you for sharing.

I think that you will find this thread a bit of fun if nothing else. I look forward to reading your thoughts and ideas about some of the things that have been discussed here.

NAMASTE.


With LOVE.
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