Freeman on the Land Takes on Police & SOCPA Law!

[boots]

Of course.

The BC is public, the SoLB is private. Your parents created the name on the SoLB, the gov't created the name on the BC.


Oh sorry. I see. It is different here in Australia. I'm pretty sure.

-an Ontario NAME was ordered to court over a landlord/tenant issue
-alleged surety for NAME had no paperwork in place to break the presumptions
-alleged surety for NAME accepted the summons after altering it to read "alleged defendant" and "alleged tenant".
-alleged surety demanded an evidentiary hearing to submit his affidavit and supporting documents (BC and SoLB)
-when trial was called, the judge, after reviewing the evidence, asked the crown how he wished to proceed
-crown said that the name on the charges is a derivative of the BC which is a derivative of the SoLB which, as a private document, was protected under the Guardian Act and therefore couldn't proceed against this man.
-the charges were to be covered by the Crown Consolidated Fund

They will make the distinction but it has to be in evidence.

A woman in our group had a $21 000 debt disappear when she sent in the collection agencies statement with her SoLB and a brief note to the court.

To change the summons is something I didn't think you could do? Is that legal? But it did work for him so thats cool.


So this is proof that you can use your BC or (SoLB, as in Canada,) to pay of public debts using the Crown Consolidated Fund or the Off Set account as is the case in Australia.


BTW. I saw your post back in page 11. Well done :)

[friendsinthesky]

Hey boots, are the mods creating another sub forum for 'freeman on the land'..info. Us aussies need to know where we stand. We are still under commonwealth BS, so do we follow the Brits?

[boots]

Hey boots, are the mods creating another sub forum for 'freeman on the land'..info. Us aussies need to know where we stand. We are still under commonwealth BS, so do we follow the Brits?


G'day friensinthesky,

There are a lot of similarity because we are part of the commonwealth and Admiralty/contract law just some of the definitions are a bit different. But yes we do follow them and Canada as well.

But the gist of it is to detach from the public/corporate persona and not get caught up in there words that they use. The bastards will try every trick in the book to get you to admit to there way of thinking by getting you to use there words and "understanding". never accept always question. It fucks them every time.

There is a bloke in Oz who has been doing this for 11 years. If you are interested he does workshops. PM me, thanks.


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[yozhik]

But the gist of it is to detach from the public/corporate persona and not get caught up in there words that they use.
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Can this detachment be done with one NOU? Or is a separate detachment needed for each singular adjoinder?

The list is ENDLESS; there is bound to be one that is forgotten.
I'm just thinking through ... every piece of paperwork ever signed was to the ALL CAPS person; never the lower case name.

Are we also compiling a Freeman dictionary or some word list to use as a reference to use? I think this would be of huge benefit.
There seems to be very few "competents" who understand and have achieved their goal ... a LOT of us "lost wannabes" who are desperately seeking knowledge ... and then an even bigger number of cynics who point to the lack of detail and hard facts as the greatest weakness of the movement.

To put it into "real" terms; we are a poorly co-ordinated rabble with no leadership, no common goal, and a diluted focus, armed with tin foil hats, cardboard swords and paper shields trying to fight a well trained, disciplined army equipped with tanks and guns.

[yozhik]

For a VERY LONG example of a legal brief used in the US for the fight between "Drivers License and Right to Travel", follow this link;

Driver versus Traveller (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=635373&postcount=271)

[boots]

To put it into "real" terms; we are a poorly co-ordinated rabble with no leadership, no common goal, and a diluted focus, armed with tin foil hats, cardboard swords and paper shields trying to fight a well trained, disciplined army equipped with tanks and guns.


No it is not.



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[yozhik]

boots ... its constructive criticism.
We need to get more co-ordinated and structured.
That's all I'm saying.

[lesactive]

To change the summons is something I didn't think you could do? Is that legal? But it did work for him so thats cool.

Who cares if it's legal, it's lawful! If someone is serving you with something purporting to have your name on it and is attempting to label you with a legal determination before the facts are straight I believe you have an obligation to correct any erroneous presumptions of your status such as that of resident, tenant, defendant, etc. He didn't really change it so much as put a question mark on it and as the holder in due course he probably saw it as his duty to correct the information.


So this is proof that you can use your BC or (SoLB, as in Canada,) to pay of public debts using the Crown Consolidated Fund or the Off Set account as is the case in Australia.
Apparently that is so. It's been a while since I've had a public debt so I haven't had a chance to exercise it. I am eager to though.


BTW. I saw your post back in page 11. Well done :)

Thanks, it was fun! I've a few interesting conversations with agents, some of whom are open to these ideas and some who are .... well, not. I've tattooed a lot of cops, lawyers and a couple of judges over the years and while I have them in my chair I can play the inquisitor. Oddly enough, I've found that they're more likely to tell you the truth when you're the one in control and inflicting pain. It's a great feeling I tell ya. If they give me attitude they get a penis worked into the shading somewhere. Either way, I win! mwahaha

Seriously though, if you just play dumb, ask leading questions and pretend you're really interested in their aspirations you can get a lot out of them and teach them at the same time.

[boots]

Who cares if it's legal, it's lawful! If someone is serving you with something purporting to have your name on it and is attempting to label you with a legal determination before the facts are straight I believe you have an obligation to correct any erroneous presumptions of your status such as that of resident, tenant, defendant, etc. He didn't really change it so much as put a question mark on it and as the holder in due course he probably saw it as his duty to correct the information.

That does sound reasonable. You cant let them pull the wool over your eye's.

I will keep this in mind.


Apparently that is so. It's been a while since I've had a public debt so I haven't had a chance to exercise it. I am eager to though.

There is what they call a "stamp" which can be used to attach on corporate debts. It has your social security number on it and this is how they access your account.



Thanks, it was fun! I've a few interesting conversations with agents, some of whom are open to these ideas and some who are .... well, not. I've tattooed a lot of cops, lawyers and a couple of judges over the years and while I have them in my chair I can play the inquisitor. Oddly enough, I've found that they're more likely to tell you the truth when you're the one in control and inflicting pain. It's a great feeling I tell ya. If they give me attitude they get a penis worked into the shading somewhere. Either way, I win! mwahaha

Seriously though, if you just play dumb, ask leading questions and pretend you're really interested in their aspirations you can get a lot out of them and teach them at the same time.

It's quite amazing how a lot of those that work for the "public" are waking up to this technology and are using it themselves. They are coming over to the other side. haha. Because when it boils down to it it's the banks we are fighting and EVERYONE is getting screwed by the banksters.


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[yozhik]

I don't know if this is going to be helpful or not, but I have started a public chat room specifically for Freeman discussion on Skype

Skype Freeman Chat Room (http://www.skype.com/go/joinpublicchat?skypename=matt.the.expat&topic=Freeman-on-the-land%20Discussion&blob=7zq7q5dzcKuOuXKscdnrGfqBBvoLdVNLrz0PLGMEO4evV 4S4ZqcwN_QEeCdJnpoZGMC00JxsMrAa)


If anyone wants to sit and discuss issues in "realtime", its open 24/7. :)

[vienna]

Mods this needs to be a sticky on the first page

(edit - ah! just noticed a whole section for freeman stuff....sorry chaps..carry on)

[astrochicken]

Mods this needs to be a sticky on the first page

(edit - ah! just noticed a whole section for freeman stuff....sorry chaps..carry on)

Is there a german equivalent?

I'm being hassled big-time for backtaxes.

[vienna]

Is there a german equivalent?

I'm being hassled big-time for backtaxes.




every human is a freeman no matter what country you're in - its universal and organic like common law

my advice is start a new thread about your problem and we'll advise you best we can

there are specific correspondance and steps that can be taken when dealing with government agencies and revenue collection

[michaelangelo]

I went to see the so called freeman John Harris speak. He went on about how we are all slaves and was quite patronisng about how we all accept things like paying tv liscneces and car tax when we don't need to. At the end he said he is going to buy a car but will tax and insure it cos he dosn't want any hassle and the man who helps him put on the talks owns and runs 35 businesses and has 150 people working for him. I though what a couple of phonies!. I was quite interested in what he was saying untill that point. He seems to think his birth place and name is something sacred and seems to imply now that he is some kind of world saviour. Just what we need another fucking world saviour to lead us on like sheep.

[yozhik]

I went to see the so called freeman John Harris speak. He went on about how we are all slaves and was quite patronisng about how we all accept things like paying tv liscneces and car tax when we don't need to. At the end he said he is going to buy a car but will tax and insure it cos he dosn't want any hassle and the man who helps him put on the talks owns and runs 35 businesses and has 150 people working for him. I though what a couple of phonies!. I was quite interested in what he was saying untill that point. He seems to think his birth place and name is something sacred and seems to imply now that he is some kind of world saviour. Just what we need another fucking world saviour to lead us on like sheep.

Ego and £££ ...

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