Who really gives the U.S President the orders

[2tuff]

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MORGAN GUARANTY TRUST BUILDING
23 Wall Street at Broad Street

All orders for the U.S President originate within 'The City' of London and get handed out by the Royal Institute of International Affairs. This then goes through the Morgan Guaranty Trust & Bank which then goes into the hands of the U.S Secretary of State. Its this persons role to then inform the U.S President of his London masters wishes. Remember every U.S Secretary of State gets chosen by the R.I.I.A in London and have done since 1919.

[2tuff]

Rubbish, there is democracy in America. The citizens rule the country.
I studied American politics, you know?

I hope that was a joke.

By the way what is Democracy?

Do you think so-called ELecting someone without being given the choice of SELecting someone is a Democracy?

Do you think that once so-called ELected by the Public that a Government doing what it wishes and us having to comply without our say is democracy?

Also check up on what the Bible says about what makes a Government. A Government should award good and punish evil. Do you see that in our so-called Democratic nations of the U.S and Britain? I call them this as until their set free I will never address these Jesuit stenched hell holes as America or England. So until these Jesuits at Georgetown University, Fordham University, Papal Knights of Malta at St Patrick's Cathedral and other Black Nobility at Aspen Institute leave the Americas it will never be free. The same goes for Jesuits at Stonyhurst College, Wimbledon College and of course Westminster Cathedral and SMOM 'The City' within Gt Britain.

I honestly believe right now even if we removed this filth we will never become the once great Protestant nation again with a decent hard working society of old we remember with morals and good communication/spirit. So the stench and troubles thanks to the Jesuit Order will linger for a very very long time indeed.

Is it any wonder these people were kicked out of almost every damn country throughout history since their evil creation? Notice how only Belgium has never kicked them out and how Belgium is favoured by the Jesuit Order? Notice how the leadership of the European Union is based in Belgium? Notice how the United Nations was created by Papal knights in San Francisco? Another nest of the Order's since 1854 if I remember correct.

By the way are your talking about a once existant America or you thinking of the reality of a dead America now a corporation of the Jesuit/Black Nobility known as the United States? Two totally different things.

They get me angry!

So condi is bush's puppet master?

It wouldnt supprise me since she is 10 times more wicked and about 40 times smarter!

Condolezza Rice is a Council On Foreign Relations member. Now remember the CFR dominate U.S Foreign and Domestic Policy. Remember also that it was the Sovereign Military of Malta who created the CFR back in 1921. Also note how the CFR not only controls the U.S Policies but also Israel's. This is where some people make the mistake that Israel dominates U.S Policy, they have the same paymaster known as the Council on Foreign Relations. Never mind the Middle East being totally dominated by SMOM Papal Knight King Juan Carlos of Spain.

Yes what you need to remember is that the Secretary of State and Vice President are the true leadership within the Administration as well as the Secretary of Defense. The President in most cases is almost useless and in this case especially. Very few Presidents weld any reasonable true power in the adminstration except the likes of SMOM Papal Knight George H W Bush. Now remember on he was one of the true powers behind the Reagan Administration which was riddled with SMOM Papal Knights. Also notice diplomatic ties back on with the Vatican thanks to SMOM Reagan. Why do you think he was looked up to so much, yet was so useless. Note also that Mikhail Gorby is also a SMOM Papal Knight, notice the area of Malta used and set up by the SMOM to end the so-called hatred and cold war era.

Interesting to know where Condi is right now as everything has gone quiet on her of late. You must remember

Remember every U.S Secretary of State gets chosen by the R.I.I.A in London and have done since 1919.

Where is the evidence of this..?

Check out the British Museum of London for all your knowledge as its all stuffed away in there for you to see if only people would get up and utilise it. Remember on that James Earl Carter was chosen for President also by the Royal Institute of International Affairs of Chatam House in London. He was brought over to the Dorchester Hotel in London just prior to his Presidency. One good source for some of this information is ex British SIS agent Dr John Coleman. Also note how Margaret Thatcher pushed George H. W. Bush into the Gulf War when she was ordered to Black Nobility Apsen Institute in Colorado to order Bush to go to war as he was lagging on the subject.

Years and years ago before I knew this shit a priest (family friend) tried to get me interested in the Jesuits and said I could become a "soldier of christ" if I wanted.

Remember on that the Jesuit Order (Society of Jesus) is a Military Order still to this very day with its leader being the Superior General. You can see the hypocrisy of the Roman Catholic Church, Christ wouldn't need soldiers to kill, one of the ten commandments states 'Thou Shall Not Kill.' To me this also means not killing even animals yet man breaks all the rules or so-called rules when it suits. Soldiers of Christ is pathetic yet the term is thrown around to Gulf War soldiers and as you put it above willy nilly.

[2tuff]

AMERICANS BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID

NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO FEAR GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY

BUT FEAR THIS IN COLORADO:

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THE H.Q OF THE BLACK NOBILITY

Here he is again good old evil Jesuit trained and educated Vatican spy/assassin himself Shimon Peres.

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Also don't forget The Adams Hotel, the British SIS Headquarters on U.S Soil. Don't forget another haunt of theirs is located at 524 East 72nd Street NYC.

-2tuff

2tuff:
Also note how Margaret Thatcher pushed George H. W. Bush into the Gulf War when she was ordered to Black Nobility Apsen Institute in Colorado to order Bush to go to war as he was lagging on the subject.

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More Aspen "Black Nobility" Institute photos of interest:

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[2tuff]

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WHO CONTROLS THE UNITED STATES WITH THE
JESUIT ORDER OF GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY?
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EAST INDIA COMPANY

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HUDSON BAY COMPANY

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THE RUSSELL TRUST ASSOCIATION

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Remember folks the United States and AMERICA are two totally different things. United States is a Jesuit/British Corporation whilst America is a Country.

[2tuff]

The Round Tables of The City have changed their name recently and are fully controlled by the Sovereign Military of Malta and Committee of 300 now before anyone wishes to mouth off differently they must realise that the hierachy of the SMOM are Black "VENETIAN" Nobility, the most powerful and wealthiest individuals of all. Also note that over fifty percent of the SMOM are Black Nobility. You have Cardinal Andrew Willoughby Ninian Bertie as its 78th Grandmaster and cousin to the "Guelph" oops Queen Elizabeth II (her blood stretchs to VENETIAN Black Nobility).

Remember on that the Order of Illuminati is comprised of the: Council of the 13th degree of the Bavarian Illuminati
Committee of 300
Council of the 33rd degree of the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite
High level B'Nai B'Rith
The Grand Orient Lodge*All the bloodlines are tied into the above so no need like some to make them seperate as so-called satanic bloodlines.

The 13 Illuminati bloodline families of the United States hold much power within the Region. The Sovereign Military of Malta Miltary Vicar, the Archbishop of New York Cardinal Egan holds supreme power over the Americas region being the head of that regions SMOM and obviously head of the Maltese Knights of the Round Table held within St Patrick's Cathedral. Notice how SMOM Papal Knight David Rockefella is across the road from St Patrick's Cathedral also note how the Jesuit powerhouse of Fordham University sits right across the road monitoring BOTH right now under the watchful eye of the powerful Jesuit Provincial Gerald J. Chojnacki of New York. Note that Gerald Chojnacki reports directly to his master the Superior General Peter Hans Kolvenbach within the House of Gesu located within Rome.

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[2tuff]

I've been having a look around and it seems that its all now known as:

JPMorgan Chase & Co

Now when we consider that its the Chief Executive Officer who hands the U.S Secretary of State the orders from the Royal Institute of International Affairs we can get a little further. So from this I've found that the current puppet master in the United States of the Royal Institute for International Affairs controlled by the Black Nobility is none other than:

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Jamie Dimon
Chairman of the Board, President, Chief Executive Officer - JPMorgan Chase & Co

Who took over recently January 1st 2006 from:

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William B Harrison
Chairman of the Board, President, Chief Executive Officer - JPMorgan Chase & Co

Who was in charge since November 20, 2001

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William B. Harrison, Jr.

Mr. Harrison is Chairman of the Board of JPMorgan Chase, which merged with Bank One Corporation on July 1, 2004. He was Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of JPMorgan Chase from November 30, 2001 to December 31, 2005. Previously, he held the position of President and Chief Executive Officer of JPMorgan Chase since January 1, 2001. Prior to the merger with J.P. Morgan & Co., Incorporated, Mr. Harrison was Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of the Chase Manhattan Corporation, a position he held since January 1, 2000. He was named President and Chief Executive Officer of Chase on June 1, 1999. Prior to that, he was Vice Chairman at Chase, responsible for all wholesale banking operations, including investment banking, capital markets and private equity businesses. He had those same responsibilities at the Chemical Bank, prior to its merger with Chase in 1996.

Mr. Harrison joined Chemical in 1967. In 1976, he was appointed to District Head of the Western Region based in San Francisco. In 1978, he moved to London to take responsibility for the bank's U.K. business and in 1982 was promoted to Division Head of Europe. He returned to the U.S. in 1983 to run the U.S. Corporate Division and in 1986 was put in charge of the bank's global Banking and Corporate Finance group. He was named a Vice Chairman of Chemical in August 1990.

Mr. Harrison is a director of Merck & Co., Inc., and a director of Cousins Properties, Inc. He is a member of The Business Council, The Financial Services Forum, and The Financial Services Roundtable.

He serves on the Board of Visitors of the University of North Carolina's Kenan-Flagler Business School, the Board of Directors of Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts, Inc., the Board of Directors for Catalyst, and a member of the Board of Overseers of Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. He is also on the Board of Directors of the Partnership for New York City and a member of the Board of the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation. Mr. Harrison, who was born in 1943 in Rocky Mount, North Carolina, received an A.B. degree in Economics from the University of North Carolina and is a graduate of the Harvard Business School's International Senior Management Programme in Switzerland.

Mr. Harrison and his wife, Anne, have two daughters.

Jamie Dimon

Jamie Dimon became Chief Executive Officer of JPMorgan Chase & Co. on January 1, 2006. In addition, Mr. Dimon is President of the company, a title he assumed upon the company's merger with Bank One Corporation on July 1, 2004.

As Chairman and CEO of Bank One for four years, Mr. Dimon engineered a dramatic turnaround at the company – taking the bank from a half-billion-dollar loss in 2000 to record earnings of $3.5 billion in 2003. Mr. Dimon strengthened the management team by promoting talented managers and by recruiting experienced leaders. The company also fortified its balance sheet, improved the service it provides customers, upgraded to a single technology platform and moved to a single brand.

Mr. Dimon began his professional career at American Express Company, serving as Assistant to the President from 1982 until 1985. He then became a key member of the team that launched and defined the strategy for Commercial Credit Company in October 1986, when the consumer lending company was spun off from Control Data Corporation. He served as Chief Financial Officer and an Executive Vice President, and then President. A completely restructured Commercial Credit made numerous acquisitions and divestitures, substantially improving its profitability. Most significantly, in 1987, it acquired and changed its name to Primerica Corporation, which in 1993 acquired The Travelers Corporation and was renamed Travelers Group.

At Travelers, Mr. Dimon was President and Chief Operating Officer for seven years. He was named Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of its Smith Barney Inc. subsidiary in January 1996, having previously been the firm's Chief Operating and Chief Administrative Officer. In November 1997, with the merger of Smith Barney and Salomon Brothers, he became Co-Chairman and Co-CEO of the combined firm. In 1998, he was named President of Citigroup Inc., the global financial services company formed by the combination of Travelers Group and Citicorp in 1998. In addition, he served as Chairman and Co-Chief Executive Officer of Salomon Smith Barney Holdings Inc., the investment banking and securities brokerage subsidiary.

A summa cum laude graduate of Tufts University, Mr. Dimon holds an MBA degree from the Harvard University Graduate School of Business, where he was a Baker Scholar. He serves on the Board of Directors of a number of non-profit institutions, including University of Chicago, Harvard Business School and the United Negro College Fund.

Mr. Dimon and his wife, Judy, have three daughters.

-2tuff - Digging deep into the roots of evil

[2tuff]

Is that the same 'Round Table' as the one brought about by Cecil Rhodes?

Yes but they've had a name change which I learned about before but its totally slipped out of my head and unfortunately I never took notes when I first head about it. I think maybe Stan Monteith may have been the source at the time as thats sprung into my head just yet I never think of this guy. Anyhow The Round Tables group is located with The City of London ('The City'), known as the SQUARE MILE the Financial District. Funny how the Saturnalian Brotherhood love the SQUARE isn't it haha. For more on Saturn worship visit here (http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40254)

The Council on Foreign Relations and the Royal Institute of International Affairs were formally founded in 1919. The Council on Foreign Relations and Royal Institute of International Affairs continue to effectively coordinate psychological operations used to manipulate the American public and people in other nations. The Council On Foreign Relations headquarters is the Pratt House, 58 E. 68th Street, NY, NY, 10021. England's Royal Institute of International Affairs headquarters is Chatham House, 10 St. James' Square, London, SW1Y 4LE, UK. The Council on Foreign Relations and the Royal Institute of International Affairs have branch organizations in other nations including Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, Australia, India, France, China, Japan, Netherlands, and the Soviet Union.1

Few Americans have heard of the Council on Foreign Relations. The Council grew out of a secret society funded by money left by Cecil Rhodes. Rhodes was a racist, a sexist, a white supremacist, and an imperialist. Lord Rothschild and Alfred Beit bankrolled Rhodes. Rothschild and Beit were racist, sexist, white supremacist, and imperialists too.The banking house of Rothschild maintained one of the great intelligence services of the nineteen century. The private intelligence they gathered helped the Rothschild's to successfully place their investments. According to former CIA chief Allen Dulles, "In 1815, while Europe awaited news of the Battle of Waterloo, Nathan Rothschild in London already knew that the British had been victorious. In order to make a financial killing, he then depressed the market by selling British Government securities; those who watched his every move in the market did likewise, concluding that Waterloo had been lost by the British and their allies. At the proper moment he bought back in at the low, and when the news was finally generally known, the value of government securities soared." In American the banking houses of Morgan and Rockefeller would come to maintain the great intelligence services of the 20th century. The intelligence services of the houses of Morgan and Rockefeller would include control of the intelligence services of the United States government. Many agents of the banking houses of Morgan and Rockefeller would go to work for United States intelligence agencies. During World War I, one of the most important elements of agent authentication was the fabrication of passports, identification cards and other documents. The censorship and documents branch was headed by Commander Henry S. Morgan of the United States Naval Reserve, a son of financier J. P. Morgan Jr.. Morgan's agency collected and compiled intelligence from mail, cables, and telephone conversations intercepted by the War Department under the government's wartime censorship powers.

Between the ages of 24 and 26 Cecil Rhodes made seven wills. The first will established a secret society -- it was called the "Secret Society Will." The seventh will established the Rhodes Scholarships. The scholarships were to be awarded to Americans, Germans, and colonials for study at Oxford. All Souls College at Oxford would become the secret societies headquarters. Rhodes third will made his financier, Lord Rothschild trustee. The Rhodes Scholarship will changed the trustee to Rothschild's son-in-law Lord Rosebury. Rothschild was Jewish, Rosebury wasn't. Rosebury, was a more fitting trustee then his Jewish father-in-law.

Rhodes was born 5 July 1853. The first will, written in 1877, established the "Secret Society" --"The Round Table." Rhodes was the first Round Table leader. Rhodes' wills insured Round Table members the funds to carry on for generations to come. The men of the Round Table were English upper class -- the University Educated -- The Wealthy -- the Privileged. The group was publicly referred to as the English "establishment." Secret Society members included students from Oxford and Cambridge. The Oxford boys included Cecil Rhodes, Arnold Toynbee, Lord Alfred Milner, Arthur Glazebrook, Sir George Parkin, Philip Lyttleton Gell, and Sir Henry Birchenough. The Cambridge boys included Reginald Baliol Brett ( aka Lord Esher), Sir John B. Seeley, Lord Albert Grey, Arthur Edmund Garrett. The aim of the secret society, and the purpose of the Rhodes Scholarships, was to spread English ruling class tradition throughout the English-speaking world. The boys of Oxford and Cambridge would devote their lives to extension of the British Empire and uplift of England's urban masses as two parts of one project which they called "extension of the English-speaking idea." Pursuit of the "extension of the English-speaking idea" included becoming rich through war and plunder. The imperialism of the time of Rhodes generated $40 billion in gold, diamonds, and slaves. The Round Table boys captured the lions share of the spoils resulting from their ignoble efforts.3

English butlers and nannies were hired and brought back to America as servants. A newly acquired "social voice" developed. It was a blend of the Southern accent, Yankee accent, and inflections copied from the British aristocracy. While attending Oxford and Cambridge many of the American boys became interested in the pursuit of the "extension of the English-speaking idea" which included becoming rich through war and plunder. Some of these American boys were invited to join the "Round Table." 4

The Round Table remained secret for 14 years. The Oxford boys and the Cambridge boys were introduced to each other by one of England's most sensational journalists William T. Stead (1840-1912). Like Rhodes, Stead was a racist, a white supremacist, a sexist, and an imperialist. Rhodes enjoyed Stead's articles. The two became close friends. On February 5, 1891 Rhodes and Stead formally established the secret society "The Round Table". Rhodes was the leader. William Stead, Reginald Baliol Brett ( the Cambridge Group - Lord Esher ), Alfred Milner (from the Oxford Group - Lord Milner) formed an executive committee. In 1897 Milner became high commissioner in South Africa and Governor of the Cape Colony. Lord Arthur Balfour, Sir Harry Johnson, Lord Rothschild, and Lord Albert Grey were listed as members of a "Circle of Initiates." An outer circle known as the "Association of Helpers" would be established in other nations. The first two secret Round Table Groups of the outer circle were the Australia Round Table and New Zealand Round Table were established between 1890-1893. William T. Stead recruited members through his magazine Review of Reviews.5

In 1902 Rhodes died. The leadership of the Round Table passed to Lord Alfred Milner who became chief Rhodes Trustee. While governor general and high commissioner in South Africa Milner recruited a group of young men from Oxford and Toynbee hall to help organize his administration. In South Africa under Milner's direction this group was known as Milner's "Kindergarten." Sir George Parkin became the Organizing Secretary of the Rhodes' Trust and Milner's second in command. During the next seven years the "Round Table" was busy establishing a network in the chief British Dependencies and in the United States. The United States Round Table members included ( George Louis Beer, Walter Lippmann, Frank Aydelotte, Whitney Shepardson, Thomas W. Lamont, Jerome D. Green, Frederick Dixon, and others ). One of the functions of the network would be to gather private intelligence. The intelligence services of the Round Table would be modeled after one the great intelligence services of the nineteenth century -- the intelligence services of the banking house of Rothschild, made available to the group by Lord Rothschild, a charter member of the Round Table, and the sugar daddy that bankrolled Rhodes. The intelligence gathering activities would be used to help the "Round Table Group" members to achieve successful investments. The intelligence gathering activities would also be used to provide information to media people like Stead, who would focus psychological operations at different target groups through various publishing houses and newspapers controlled by Round Table group members. Council members George Louis Beer, Edward Mandel House, Walter Lippmann, Whitney Shepardson, James T. Shotwell, Charles Seymour, and Isaiah Bowman would become charter members of America's first formal Intelligence organization the Inquiry. The idea for the Inquiry was suggested to President Wilson by Felix Frankfurter.

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Who actually owns the Federal Reserve Central Banks? The ownership of the 12 Central banks, a very well kept secret, has been revealed:

Rothschild Bank of London
Warburg Bank of Hamburg
Rothschild Bank of Berlin
Lehman Brothers of New York
Lazard Brothers of Paris
Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
Goldman, Sachs of New York
Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
(Reference 14, P. 13, Reference 12, P. 152)

These bankers are connected to London Banking Houses which ultimately control the FED. When England lost the Revolutionary War with America (our forefathers were fighting their own government), they planned to control us by controlling our banking system, the printing of our money, and our debt (Reference 4, 22).

The individuals listed below owned banks which in turn owned shares in the FED. The banks listed below have significant control over the New York FED District, which controls the other 11 FED Districts. These banks also are partly foreign owned and control the New York FED District Bank. (Reference 22)

First National Bank of New York
James Stillman National City Bank, New York
Mary W. Harnman
National Bank of Commerce, New York
A.D. Jiullard
Hanover National Bank, New York
Jacob Schiff
Chase National Bank, New York
Thomas F. Ryan
Paul Warburg
William Rockefeller
Levi P. Morton
M.T. Pyne
George F. Baker
Percy Pyne
Mrs. G.F. St. George
J.W. Sterling
Katherine St. George
H.P. Davidson
J.P. Morgan (Equitable Life/Mutual Life)
Edith Brevour T. Baker

(Reference 4 for above, Reference 22 has details, P. 92, 93, 96, 179)

How did it happen? After previous attempts to push the Federal Reserve Act through Congress, a group of bankers funded and staffed Woodrow Wilson's campaign for President. He had committed to sign this act. In 1913, a Senator, Nelson Aldrich, maternal grandfather to the Rockefellers, pushed the Federal Reserve Act through Congress just before Christmas when much of Congress was on vacation (Reference 3, 4, 5). When elected, Wilson passed the FED. Later, Wilson remorsefully replied (referring to the FED), "I have unwittingly ruined my country" (Reference 17, P. 31).

From http://www.worldnewsstand.net/today/articles/fedprivatelyowned.htm

So we see how the federal reserve was created by these round table members through edward mandell house one of Woodrow Wilsons top aides, and is still being safeguarded by their heirs and associates in the CFR and RIIA who are in turn subordinate to SMOM and European Nazi Monarchy, ie crown of great Britannia.

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[2tuff]

I don't understand how the British could still be controlling America I thought the Jesuit Order and Black nobility was or does the British make up 50% of the BN and JO? I know 2tuff said something about them re-infiltrateing America in 1868...

The United States is NOT America, The Jesuits and Black Nobility using their mission control #1 (The City) based within Britain control only the United States which is their Corporation. This occured when they incorporated it within 1868. Remember Jesuits have had a stranglehold on places such as San Francisco since the 1850's. Funny enough the United Nations was created there by the Sovereign Military of Malta which also has its headquarters within the House of Gesu in Rome which of course is the powerhouse of the world and the Jesuit Order, where the Superior General works from.

The City of London is the Financial district, the square mile which also houses the most secret societies in such a small arena than anywhere else within the world. Its Templar land and who are the Templars? No nothing to do with the original which has long gone but their Vatican controlled through the Sovereign Military of Malta and even lower so-called Templars within the upper levels of the York Rite. The SMOM are made up of the most powerful Black Nobility families at its Omega point, the Fondi (the ones with the money) originating from Venice and this is why we call them the Venetian Families. These are the most wealthy and powerful individuals on the planet and as Dr John Coleman, ex British SIS exposed "their wealth makes people like Rothschild & David Rockafeller look like pikers." Incidentially you have to say well who are these people Rothschilds everyone hears about banking for exactly? You then find their merely agents and as the Jewish Encylopedia puts it "Keepers of the Vatican Treasury" Rothschild family are yet another set of court-jews and infact we shouldn't use the term Jew which didn't even exist until the 1800's.

What makes me laugh is when people say Peter Hans Kolvenbach mustn't be the ruler because we know of him, yet many of these same people band about claiming Rothschild is the leader yet far more people easily become aware of Rothschild than they ever do until recently of the Superior General of the Company of Jesus. These people wish to believe the first things which come along which still fit into their psychologically controlled minds. Whilst religion is basically nonsense and yes a controller we must understand that all these different races tend to stick to a particular religion wether its Gentiles mostly with Christianity or Asians with Muslim. Now what happens is that the Vatican's disinformation artists get out on tv, radio and internet and some try to highlight that religion is a complete con, which is correct. What this then does is simply make things worse as the truthseekers will shut off as soon as they come across religious wordings and knowledge. What does this do? Makes them gatekeeper themselves just as they always used to and losing out key points which are crucial. I have no religion and hate religion but I still pushed through the Christianity stuff in order to learn further on the conspiracy and the Jesuit Order with its Vatican. I've come across Jew bashers slagging me off for having some religious texts within information I help spread out. What these people forget is that their Jews also have a religion which is really based around a book called the Talmud and of course theres some jews which worship the Torah. These are very religious people yet thats forgot conveniantly. It seems the mind has been indoctrinated to see just men in black/white clothing as deeply religious whilst others that don't doesn't matter. At the end of all this the real religion of ALL which is not exclusive to Jew as your told is Zionism which I content is actually Sionism. Remember on that the Grand Orient lodge of France within the Order of the Illuminati is actually the Priore De Sion. Also remember the battling between the Sionists and the Knights Templars of which the Templars lost in the end. So what is Zionism? Its a RELIGION with much nonsense I can imagine as all the others. Infact you will know for sure shortly as so much of their religion will be handed down to yourselves when the one-world religion is handed down to us all in the coming future. This religion will be based on all we expose of Freemasonry believe etc and will of course be written by the Jesuit Order who seem to have wrote every other document and degree that crops up wether it be the Protocols of the ELders of Zion (Originally Sion) just as they did with the Janesists previously with almost exactly the same titled Protocols. Who created all the degrees of the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite? Jesuits including the ones instituted by Fredrick the Great II. Which masonic group controls the B'Nai B'Rith it created in New York? The Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry which by the way also comes under the Templar banner. Just as Leo Zagami highlights theres no real Templars anymore regardless what they lead you to believe, their simply Vatican puppets and most Templars are absolutely nothing compared to the high ranks of the world banking system fully controlled by the Sovereign Military of Malta and its Papal Knights such as David Rockefella. Just go check up on the big wigs of Wall Street and so forth and see whos a Papal Knight. The SMOM control New York, The City, Dubai & Switzerland. We hear all day long from amateurs well why do the Swiss protect the Pope?. They use this to claim someone somewhere in Switzerland is more powerful. Well if they actually did some real research they would find that when theres a real threat to the Pope etc that the Swiss guard is removed and immediately the Sovereign Military of Malta is put in charge. All the Swiss guard is there for is simply symbolism.

The Vatican controls all banking through International Maritime Admiralty Law based on its Canon Law utilising its most loyal Papal Knights the Sovereign Military of Malta headquartered as highlighted above within the House of Gesu now along side its master the Jesuit Order. Remember that since the 18th Century the Jesuit Order has managed to catch all the opposition like a spider in its web. Since the 1770's the Jesuit Order has dominated world affairs through being the leadership of high level Freemasonry such as the P2 lodge for instance. They control everything, made up of certain bloodlines going way back into Egypt and even further but Egypt is the key point with the 18th Dynasty of Akhenaton and the continuation of the problem clique by Joshua known to most as the Cult of Aton as spoke about by Michael Tsarion which I believe is absolutely correct and certainly this is where the Jesuit Order is stemming from.

[2tuff]

CONTINUED...........

Remember that the Committee of 300 are the descendants of the British East India Company and these are the highest Black Nobility families well hidden amongst all the garbage of aliens, jews and pure nonsense out there in illusion land. God help people who finally see the Jesuits, SMOM, Opus Dei, Vatican, Black "VENETIAN" Nobility - Places like House of Gesu, Georgetown University, Fordham University, St Patrick's Cathedral, Aspen Institute, J.P Morgan & Chase, Stonyhurst College, Wimbledon College, Westminster Cathedral and so forth. For when one finally sees clearly in this direction with no more illusions clouding their judgement things come into play a lot easier and questions finally start getting answered properly.

Its like someone here claims Caananite was the original Celts, well wrong because it was the Celts really known as the Gaels which came from Ireland to Caananite not the other way. Hebrew is the language of the Gaels/Celts known as the Pheonicians in the region and Caananite is where Israel and Palestine sit today. Incidentally Israel was a word used upon an old Egyptian momument and meaning Priestly Clan refering to the peoples of Caananite, well before it was ever used in the Middle East. Remember Israel was created thanks to the United Nations which was created in San Francisco (Jesuit stronghold since 1854) by the CFR which itself was created by the Sovereign Military of Malta. This is exactly why only the Sovereign Military of Malta have permanent observer status within the United Nations.So remember everything is held together by Freemasonry, whoever controls Freemasonry controls what you see and live within daily. I contend this is the Jesuit Order and therefore the Jesuit Order is the controller right now of the International Conspiracy and anyone with an ounce of sense who checks through real surpressed history will certainly agree as do so many recently.

Also remember folks for those who don't know this already that 'The City of London' is actually a Sovereign nation as is the Vatican meaning their nothing to do with the countries they sit on wether it be England or Italy.

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FULL VATICAN CONTROL OF THE UNITED STATES

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(Save and spead as much as possible)

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Is it possible that at the top of the Jesuits structur are more people than just Kolvenbach?
I'm just asking, because Kolvenbach travels a lot, so he would not have the time to rule I would think.

Remember he has Assistants. Remember the Order works like this:

Normal Jesuit Priest
Superior
Provincial *
Assistant
SUPERIOR GENERAL!The Jesuits have the most organisation of any of the groups which the likes of Himmer and Hitler of the Nazi Germany highly admired. Mind you it really comes from the group known to most as the Assassins from Islam who were the ones who taught the Knights Templars the same structure.

Remember this picture?

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But how does the British fit in this do they make up 50% of the BN cause the british empire is alot older then the american owned corporation

You must remember that the Black Nobility bloodlines have ruled throughout history and of course had the occasional in-bickering at times but they've always dominated. The British Empire was simply controlled by them same as the British East India Company was controlled by them and now their descendants are part of the Committee of 300. Remember on that Queen Elizabeth II is really linked to the Venetian "Guelph" bloodline also note shes the head of the United Kingdom's Protestant division of the SMOM of which Papal Knight Tony Blair is a part of and subordinate to the Queen. Many question why he's had so many meeting with her but this is totally understandable when you know of the Sovereign Military of Malta and its workings. Note; that it takes the Queen's signature on the treaties along with the Prime Minister's to destroy the nation of England and its Sovereignity. Remember shes completed six signatures so far and only one more is left and then its goodbye England hello European Union. So her power isn't weak and nothing, she is very powerful. Remember on her family roots lie in Venice and really if anything shes a Roman Catholic not Protestant but shes a great deceiver and thats why she sits on the throne of England when in reality she has no right to this.

Just look back in recent history and check who were the most powerful bankers in Europe and therefore the world and you'd see it was the Medici Family. The power is within Italy and always has been namely Rome and Venice. Most the families have left Venice which is good for them as its starting to flood more and more lately. I watched a program on TV where they went looking at ghostly places and Venice was one. This one large house was owned by a Black Nobility family of which I forget the name. The locals were petrified to speak about any of it, just mentioning the name of the place they would just turn away and not even go there at all. It wasn't through the haunting they were scared, I mean what could a house do if your not close or in it? They were petrified of the Family who still owns it but doesn't reside there. These Black Nobility families are the most evil, twisted so-called humans on the planet.

A good example of how these types of people act are the Borgia family and they don't come much worse than those. It is from those we get the term 'Cup of Borgia' for Jesuit Poisoning. Remember on that Don Francis Borgia actually helped Loyola with the Company of Jesus which is kept quiet. The Borgia's riddled the Vatican and remember where the European image of Jesus was taken from and alas it was Cesare Borgia the son of Pope Alexander VI and his mother was Vannozza (Giovanna) dei Cattani.

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Here you see Cesare "JESUS" Borgia along side his father Alexander VI

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Do you British know the truth about the E.U? Click HERE (http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=13328)

The East India Company was one of the more notable of these elite controlled trading companies. These trading companies tie in with the occult world’s leadership and the formation of drug cartels during the age of discovery. The 13 Illuminati families were participants in the narcotics cartel that was set up clear back before the United States became a nation. The roots of the cartels, go back to Knights Templars, the Knights of Malta and some of the Italian oligarchies who had been involved in narcotics trade for centuries. That drug cartel has continued down through the centuries. I.G. Farben has been a 20th century part of the German element of the cartel. - Bloodlines of the Illuminati- Chapter: Krupp- By Fritz Sprinmeier

Again folks please remember that the headquarters of the E.U is within Belgium. Belgium is the Jesuit Order's greatest friend, never expelling them ever.

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Folks please take a look at this 1300+ page book by the very JESUIT who William Clinton never stops talking about, Prof Carol Quigley. Now notice that Quigley is from the all powerful Georgetown "Jesuit" University. This book will have a lot of truth in it but of course the Jesuits will be hidden as usual ;) If you wish to know more on 'The City' in London as mission control then this is the book. Originally taken off the shelves when it was first published and then the plates were smashed to the first half of the book to surpress it.

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Tradegy & Hope - A History Of The World In Our Time

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Waiting to get this book, my auntie has been trying to pick up a copy for me...

interestingly my step fathers surname is Cattani, his family originates from Milan and his great great great grandfather had to leave Italy under suspiscious circumstances, this is very interesting stuff 2tuff have you got any more links on this Cesar Borgia character...

Mickyjay it seems your interest is within the correct arena and its people like you that make it worthwhile. I have so much on the harddrives but trying to find something when you want it, well I give up most times haha. If and when I come across information I will let you know.

Yes I noticed in the U.K you need to purchase it from 3rd party sellers within the U.S ranging from £47-104. Why is it that books like Vatican Assassins, Rulers of Evil are a pain to get and cost a fortune? You must realise that this Quigley isn't the great man its claimed and his agenda was once again to turn your minds upon focusing on a single group other than the truth, hes a Jesuit for godsake. Take a look at the Jesuit Vows, look at the definition of a Jesuit and its 'A clever person who deceives the public'. Almost that definition is actually within an elderly friends dictionary which I posted in my thread before. Its like this Stan Monteith guy who dismisses Illuminati etc whilst never mentioning Sovereign Military of Malta, Vatican, Jesuits & Italian Black Nobility. Now he talks of 1870 onwards but forgets all the history going way before this time. People argue with me about the Jesuits being 1534 yet many will fall for the Round Table group rules all and thats 1870+.

The facts are that the British East India Company was on the go from 1600-1874. Who ruled this company? THE BLACK NOBILITY from the top Venetians down. Who rules to this day the Round Tables? The SAME people within the hierachy of the Jesuit Order, Sovereign Military of Malta and Committee of 300. It hasn't changed! So how can Stan Monteith try to disillusion you all with nonsense from 1870+. Do they think Cecil Rhodes could come in front of the might of the older powers, of course not. Its an avenue needing research I grant you but don't fall for it. The conspiracy isn't jews either its the VATICAN - VENETIAN/ITALIAN families and always will be. Image a football field layered with a foot high amount of gold, the Vatican owns at least a quarter of that minimum that we know about thats not including property etc, their the most powerful corporation on the planet! Take a real look at banking and see the falsities about Jews, thats one thing Stan Monteith gets correct! By the way always remember it was the British East India Company who were the first traders of drugs. Growing the first prime poppies down in Kensington, London. They then shipped these off to India for mass growing. From India they used the tea clippers to transport it to China. Within China they used phony missionaries to turn China into an Opium den full of addicts.

So basically Micky keep your more focused on the British East India Company, Jesuits, SMOM, Black Nobility and your sorted. Be careful of tricksters.

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What they don't tell you about Lincoln and the newspapers is that about half the newspapers were controlled by the Vatican and they just kept churning out lies about Lincoln, such as he was a Catholic, a Freemason, whatever.

Lincoln was well aware of the Vatican plot to destroy America. Oh, they did destroy it...but not in the way they planned.

What I find odd is where the split was--between the northern half and the southern half. It wasn't some checkerboard. Probably because it would have been easier to annex the North to Canada and the South to Mexico!

Now they do a similar trick with John F Kennedy.

What they don't talk about his how he was also attacking a company based in New York and created by the British & American Intelligence hierachy called:

WORLD COMMERCE CORPORATION

Formerly known as

BRITISH AMERICAN CANADIAN CORPORATION

Kennedy got them up on Tax evasion charges in 1962. This company was registered within Panama and members such as SMOM Papal Knight William Donovan were involved. SMOM Papal Knight Donovan was a director of this company. It was dealing in everything such as Gold etc. In bed with the Sovereign Military of Malta and British SIS assassination squad Permindex Corporation. Remember the SMOM control Intelligence. You'll also smell the stench of Richard Mellon and Nelsen Rockefeller! This company was within nearly 50 countries.

[2tuff]

To: "Eric Jon Phelps"
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:07 PM
Subject: Wheres the Permindex and London connections


Eric,

The problem I have with all this J.F.K talk is that none of you ever speak about Permanent Industrial Exhibitions let alone that they actually did the ssassinations. It is well known that most times agencies of the soil in which the event is to take place will simply use foreign assassins. So yes the planning may have been all CIA but unless you speak of Permindex then we could call you a coadjutor just the same as you/i do to others for doing the same thing.

What you reckon to that one? I think its fair and I certainly don't see why Permindex that British STINKING SIS group should go unseen. I know of only a couple of sources who will speak of Permindex and that Lenny Bloom and Dr John Coleman.

I speak of Permindex in VAIII. Knight of Malta Louis M. Bloomfield was one of the heads of that assassin cabal along with SMOM Spadafora in Rome. SMOM Clay Shaw was also on the board of Permindex.

Also while we're on the subject of Orders to the U.S President then can you explain why its the Royal Institute of International Affairs and not the CFR who give him/her the orders via J.P Morgan and Chase using its Chief executive officer which right now is Jamie Dimon. He gives the orders to the Secretary of State who then passes them onto the President which has gone on since 1919.

As you know, the RIIA was created in 1919; the CFR in 1921. Both are connected to the SMOMs ruling the Old City of London controlled by Rome. Remember, JPII called Cardinal O'Connor "the Archbishop of the Capital of the World." New York is the political capital of the world; London is the commercial capital of the world and Rome is the religious capital of the world.

We also know its the RIIA who actually choose the U.S President just as they did with all usually giving them fancy trips to London and hotels like the Rochester prior to them taking the position.

2tuff

No doubt that the CRF and the RIIA work together.

Brother Eric

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What really pricked up my ears was this; one of the four means of assassination committed by the Jesuits is "The Cantarella, or Cup Of Borgia, this is a means of poisening, upon further investigation i found the Borgias were master chemists and were recorded as utilising these chemical compounds to assassinate people secretely, a couple of Borgias died from exposure to harmful chemical substances and of course there was Mr Borgia the 6th Pope of Rome married to my step fathers namesake and perhaps relative Madame Cattani, the borgia stuff is definately worth a thread when you find the info 2tuff, i know many here who will be very interested to hear the stories surrounding the Borgias and other Italien Nobility escapades...

Personally i am thankful to you 2tuff for the work you do on the jesuits, if it weren't for you and some of the truth sayers you approve we would know little more than we are supposed to, this Phelps character is a genius and his books are incredible, personally i think you have to be a very brave man to go infront of the historic community and basically outline the very apparatus by which the S.J has controlled the Kings, Noblesand princes of europe and through them the countries of America and the commonwealth etc...his book Vatican Assassins is worth reading for anyone interested in history...

Anyone interested in the history as to how the Round Table and Fed Reserve CFR RIIA came about then follow this link:

THe Roadshow Of Deception (http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/6/roadshow.htm)

Anyone interested in reading the first edition of Vatican Assassins follow this link:

Vatican Assassins.pdf
(http://www.focusnz.com/tractsforfree/VaticanAssassins.pdf)

Thankyou friend and others should take note and see through the ignorant, agent attackers against me and my information they detest.

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JAN. 6/07 - New Zealand

GREG HALLETT BRIEFING

America is a British Plantation
State occupied by Tax Slaves

MP3 FORMAT AUDIO (http://www.cloakanddagger.de/shows/webcast/_Hallett/cloak_hallett%20jan5_07.mp3)

"The Western world hs been controlled by the Crowned Heads of Europe
& their Hofjuden" - Pierre Salinger


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THE BLACK NOBILITY

LINK (http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=19108&st=0&)

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Remember folks that the key to the founding of the BILDERBERG GROUP seems to always be left out by most. It will not surprise you why when I highlight it now. The key founder of this group was a JESUIT priest named JOSEPH RETINGER. Retinger came up with the whole idea the lot, he then utilised Prince Bernhard in helping to get it started. Once again folks we connect the dots on the movers and shakers hidden. Now David Icke simply forgot about this key crucial information above when he dealt with the topic in his 'Biggest Secret' he mentions Bernhard etc but no way does he go there with Retinger.

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First Published May 1944, 113 pages

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I reckon its henry kissenger who gives the president orders, its just come out in the press that kissenger has bush in a closed room for 2 hours once a week, kissenger probably gets his orders from rockefellow, who probaly gets orders from rothschild who gets orders from...........

Henry Kissinger is a SMOM Papal Knight as is David Rockefeller. Remember on that Kissinger has been the conduit for the Vatican <> US for a very long time. Now its more open as he's just been made Papal Adviser regardless of their attempts to cover it up. Remember who owns Chase Bank? David Rockefeller! Who gives the Secretary of State the U.S President's orders? The Chief Executive Officer of the JP Morgan and CHASE bank in New York right now known as Jamie Dimon. So you see the Rockefeller connection immediately. The Orders come from 'The City' from the Rothschild pawns known as the Royal Institute of Internation Affairs who are controlled by the Round Tables front which itself is controlled by the Pilgrim Society, SMOM and so forth. According to the Pope, Archbishop O'Connor is the Archbishop to the Capital of the World being London. The Political capital is New York and the Spiritual Capital is Rome or we should say Vatican City. All roads lead to the Vatican, British Monarchy and Black Nobility Committee of 300.

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Although we need to identify the Elite levels in order to ANNILATE we must not forget the agenda unfolding and their wishes. We should fight the ID CARDS, FLUORIDE and so forth. This is why I teach people how to take their health back from tyrant Queen of NY David Rockefeller. Whilst he lives the life free to do what he wishes with his master The King of NY Cardinal Egan scaring everyone in NY who fall to his evil medical empire. These are things you can certainly change and do something about.

F*** YOU ROCKEFELLER.

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Heres a most severe cretin you could ever meet:

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DAVID ROCKEFELLER

Who the hell is this guy to try to control ME? I'm a spiritual being
controlled by only my creators being some form of a god and my
parents. Rockefeller you sh** bag you've lost your chains on me
and I will awaken all the sheep to become lions as you claim to be.
We will destroy your pharmaceutical poison nonsense once and for
all. You may live the life of luxury with the other King of New York
Cardinal Egan. In my eyes you ARE touchable and the people of
AMERICA not the corporation of THE CITY who control you, should
arise and hang you in the street you devious sh**

People fight back, grab your health and mind back and oust these
cretins once and for all. Rockefeller your days are NUMBERED

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THE ROCKEFELLER FILE

by Gary Allen, 1976

L I N K (http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=19484&st=0&)


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SECRETS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE - The London Connection by Eustace Mullins (http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=1287&st=0)

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HIGHLIGHTING HOW THE

SOVEREIGN MILITARY OF MALTA

DOMINATE

BY 2TUFF 20/1/2K7

Tell me about the Knights of St. George.

Anything Catholic my friend means subordination to the Governor of Governors, the King of Kings, the Ordinary of Ordinaries, Christ on Earth, THE PAPAL CAESAR known to most simply as the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church (Mystery Babylon). The Order of the Garter is a protectant of the British Empire. Notice its members such as Jesuit trained King Juan Carlos of Spain (very high SMOM Papal Knight in charge of the Middle East "Protector of the Holy Sites of Jerusalem") then you have the very powerful Queen "Guelph" Elizabeth II who leads the British division of the SMOM. The Order of the Garter is simply tied once again into the Committee of 300/SMOM rule! Remember the Black Nobility which rules the Committee of 300 make up over 50% of the SMOM and its all the leadership downwards.

Committee of 300 (aka Olympians) Shadow government

Targets of the Illuminati and the Committee of 300 By Dr. John Coleman.

Thanks to the sworn testimony of Guerzoni, Italy and Eu- rope but not the U.S. learned that Kissinger was behind the death of Aldo Moro. This tragic affair demonstrates the ability of the Committee of 300 to impose its will upon any government without exception. Secure in his position as a member of the most powerful secret society in the world, and I am not talking about Freemasonry, Kissinger not only terrified Moro, but carried through on his threats to "eliminate" Moro if he did not give up his plan to bring economic and industrial progress to Italy. In June and July of 1982, the wife of Aldo Moro testified in open court that her husband's murder came about as a result of serious threats against his life, made by what she called "a high ranking United States political figure." Mrs. Eleanora Moro repeated the precise phrase reportedly used by Kissinger in the sworn testimony of Guerzoni: "Either you stop your political line or you will pay dearly for it." Recalled by the judge, Guerzoni was asked if he could identify the person Mrs. Moro was talking about. Guerzoni replied that it was indeed Henry Kissinger as he had previously intimated.- John Coleman, The Story of The Committee of 300, p. 7

The Order of the Garter is the secret inner group which is an elite group within the Order of St. John of Jerusalem which is the British part of the Knights of Malta. The Knights of the Garter are the leaders of the Committee of 300. They are diabolical men. Lord Peter Carrington, who is a member of the satanic Order of Osiris and other demonic groups is a member of the Order of the Garter. Lord Palmerston is an example from history of another similar example of a Knight of the Garter who was totally corrupt, pretended to be a Christian, and practiced Satanism. Bloodlines of the Illuminati 4. DuPonts

To bring about depopulation of large cities according to the trial run carried out by the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia. It is interesting to note that Pol Pot's genocidal plans were drawn up in the US by one of the Club of Rome's research foundations, and overseen by Thomas Enders, a high-ranking State Department official. It is also interesting that the committee is currently seeking to reinstate the Pol Pot butchers in Cambodia. Targets of the Illuminati and the Committe of 300 By Dr. John Coleman.

http://www.geocities.com/lord_visionary/committeof300.htm

This committee of 300 is modeled after the British East India Company's Council of 300, founded by the British aristocracy in 1727. Most of its immense wealth arose out of the opium trade with China. This group is responsible for the phony drug wars here in the U.S. These phony drug wars were to get us to give away our constitutional rights. Asset forfeiture is a prime example, where huge assets can be seized without trail and no proof of guilt needed. Also the Committee of 300 long ago decreed that there shall be a smaller-much smaller-and better world, that is, their idea of what constitutes a better world.

The myriads of useless eaters consuming scarce natural resources were to be culled. Industrial progress supports population growth. Therefore the command to multiply and subdue the earth found in Genesis had to be subverted. This called for an attack upon Christianity; the slow but sure disintegration of industrial nation states; the destruction of hundreds of millions of people, referred to by the Committee of 300 as "surplus population, " and the removal of any leader who dared to stand in the way of the Committee's global planning to reach the foregoing objectives. Not that the U.S. government didn't know, but as it was part of the conspiracy, it helped to keep the lid on information rather than let the truth be known. Queen, Elizabeth II, is the head of the Committee of 300.

The Committee of 300 looks to social convulsions on a global scale, followed by depressions, as a softening-up technique for bigger things to come, as its principal method of creating masses of people all over the world who will become its "welfare" recipients of the future. The committee appears to base much of its important decisions affecting mankind on the philosophy of Polish aristocrat, Felix Dzerzinski, who regarded mankind as being slightly above the level of cattle. As a close friend of British intelligence agent Sydney Reilly (Reilly was actually Dzerzinski's controller during the Bolshevik Revolution's formative years), he often confided in Reilly during his drinking bouts. Dzerzinski was, of course, the beast who ran the Red Terror apparatus. He once told Reilly, while the two were on a drinking binge, that "Man is of no importance. Look at what happens when you starve him. He begins to eat his dead companions to stay alive. Man is only interested in his own survival. That is all that counts. All the Spinoza stuff is a lot of rubbish."

Got any source of that, black nobility ruling over the committee of 300? Coleman says The order of the Garter rules over the committee of 300.. They black nobility?

The highest member of the Order of the Garter right now is the GUELPH herself Queen Elizabeth II. Now remember folks how I have told you all its the Sovereign Military of Malta (Knights of Malta) who control everything for their Jesuit masters? I've told you how they control The City, Dubai, Switzerland and New York financial power regions. Your information from Dr Coleman has highlighted the angle I've been coming from for some time. Also remember that King Juan Carlos of Spain is within the Order of the Garter now remember hes a very powerful Papal Knight within the Sovereign Military of Malta. You must remember that the 78th Grandmaster of the SMOM is Cardinal Andrew Willoughby Ninian Bertie. Both King Carlos and Queen Elizabeth II are subordinate to Bertie their Grandmaster. Remember how the Jesuits took power away from the Monarchs throughout many years since their creation in 1534. Remember one of the oldest methods used was the confession alone haha. Its not rocket science and I'm just glad people can finally see a little further forward.

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King Juan Carlos in his Order of the Garter clothing

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King Juan Carlos meeting his Master the Pope, the visible ruler of the Roman Catholic Church. Notice hes wearing Black meaning Servility and respect for the so-called Christ on Earth the Pope dressed in White. Remember to note that Black is also the colour of the Saturnalian Brotherhood and represents the planet Saturn. Note the Pope isn't Catholic he's Saturnalian, Catholism is a front.

Other articles of interest on this subject:

JESUIT & SMOM Lackie King Carlos EXPOSED By 2tuff (http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=14595)

Where the U.S President really takes orders from By 2tuff (http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=17861)

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I think I might have sent a book about the Pilgrim Society titled "MEET THE WORLD MONEY POWER by Charles Savoie:

http://www.silver-investor.com/charlessavoie/cs_dec04.pdf

There are several references to the Jesuits and the Knights of Malta. (Click on the binoculars icon and search for any term in the document you want)The relationship between the SMOM and the Pilgrim Society is salient especially when you consider the fact that J. Peter Grace who was once the head of the American SMOM (second only to the Archbishop of New York) was a member of the Pilgrim Society. SMOM Elmer Bobst once the head of Warner-Lambert Pharmaceutical Company (which produces Listerine mouthwash and Dentyne chewing gum which contains the poison aspartame) is a "Pilgrim." Here is an interesting link. Notice that SMOM Bobst and OSS founder and SMOM Papal William "Wild Bill" Donovan were on the Board of Directors of the American Cancer Society in 1958. Scroll down and you will see they were honorary life directors of the ACS. Joseph P. Kennedy a powerful SMOM at the time of his son JFK's assassination which he was undoubtedly involved in. The Pilgrim Society ranks higher than the Council on Foreign Relations in the Jesuits' Illuminati hierarchy according to Brother Fritz Springmeier author of the book "The 13 Bloodlines of the Illuminati"
Here is a link to his presentation:

Google Link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7472916155118781394&q=13+Bloodlines+of+the+Illuminati&hl=en)

Brother Eric evidenced by the chart on his VA website knows of The Pilgrim Society. Here's what I think about the Jesuits and their Illuminati in terms of history. It is true the Illuminati and Freemasonry predate the Jesuit Order which was founded by Satan's tool Ignatius Loyola in 1534. Loyola was also member of the Spanish Alumbrados as we both know. The Jesuit Order took over the Illuminati when they wrote the last few degrees of Scottish Rite Freemasonry after high Masonic Frederick the Great protected them after they were expelled from Europe. The Black Pope had already controlled Freemasonry and the Illuminati by the time of Jesuit Adam Weishaupt who founded the Bavarian Illuminati May 1 1776. The Bavarian Illuminati was only one branch of a vast international network. The Jesuits control them all through the high Masonic degrees they formulated. So it all makes sense true the Knight Templar/Freemasons and Illuminati were around before the founding of the Company of Gesu but since it is openly religious it wins out because of the Romanist dogma of the two swords found in Unam Sanctam the secular and religious. I think the secular sword is the Illuminati/Freemasonry and the religious is Roman Catholicism which is ruled by the Jesuit Order. Thanks for the message.

Brother Nicholas N. Rivera

Folks we know the Pilgrim Society is headed by the Guelph herself Queen Elizabeth II. This supposedly is the direct master of the Order of the Garter which what a shock is too controlled by the Guelph herself. We know that the Order of the Garter is a Inner circle of the Sovereign Military of Malta. You will notice that one particular site claims the Pilgrim Society controls the Knights of Malta. I put forth to you that once again the Pilgrim is yet another layer on the SMOM onion.

So we have

1. SMOM
2. PILGRIM SOCIETY
3. ORDER OF THE GARTER
4. COMMITTEE OF 300

The formerly known Round Tables Group is simply a front for the Pilgrim Society.

Remember folks that Fritz Springmeier is currently locked away in a Jail cell fitted up on fake robbery charges he most certainly NEVER committed. So that tells you how much of a threat he is/was to this damn Saturnalian Brotherhood system we have the most unfortunately pleasure to be sitting within.

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An Interesting List of British Knights


Bill Gates - KBE (2004)

Billy Graham - KBE (2001)

George H. W. Bush - GCB (1993)

Rudolph W. Giuliani - KBE (2002)

Alan Greenspan - KBE (2002)

Ronald Reagan - GCB (1989)

Caspar Weinberger - GBE (1988)

General Omar Bradley - KCB

General Wesley Clark - KBE (2000)

First Head of CIA William Donovan - KBE

General Dwight D. Eisenhower - GCB (1945), OM (1945)

General John J. Pershing - GCB (1918)

General Colin Powell - KCB (1993)

General Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr. - KCB (1993)

Paul Getty - KBE (1987; later became a British subject) [1]

Steven Spielberg - KBE (2001)

Bob Hope - KBE


England not only seems to be a major player in the USA, but seems to have
quite an agenda of its own as well....

[2tuff]

Dear Brethren,

This act made Washington a "Rome on the Potomac." The 14th Amendment was now in place (1868). The Federal Republic had been converted into an Empire. By 1873 with the Slaughterhouse cases, the Supreme Court had ruled that the "privileges and immunities" of 14th Amendment citizenship "did not include Common Law rights," later defined as the "Bill of Rights" in Maxwell v. Dow (1899). By 1900 Rome took this country and kept it, James Cardinal Gibbons being the first American Pope. He ruled every president from Grover Cleveland to Warren Harding.

Yes, Washington is indeed Rome on the Potomac. The Department of Justice is Washington's Holy Office of the fascist Inquisition, and the FBI, the IRS, the FDA, ad infinitum, are the Holy Office's inquisitors. The courts are not article 3 courts but are article 2 courts under the Commander-in-chief. These courts are courts of war as every action against a citizen is filed in all capital letters, indicating the defendant has a nom de guerre---a name of war. Yes, we are all in the military fighting the crusades for the Pope and paying for those crusades with income taxes on wages---the Supreme Court having never defined "wages" as being "income."

The Pope's Holy Roman Fourteenth Amendment American Empire is governed exactly as is the Pope's Vatican Empire, income taxes and all.

Sincerely in Faith,

Brother Eric Jon Phelps


Act of 1871
1871, February 21: Congress Passes an Act to Provide
a Government for the District of Columbia, also known as
the Act of 1871.
http://www.worldnewsstand.net/history/1871Act.htm

[2tuff]

Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. Social Security

THE ULTIMATE DELUSION


Mon, 9 Apr 2001

To the people,

I found this paper while going through Stephen Ames' files.I am hoping that you will put it out on your E-mail and fax networks. This paper explains and documents very much. It is absolutely mind blowing !!!!!!

If you place this paper on your E-mail and fax networks I will be more than happy to respond to people's questions. I have all of the documents cited in this paper and they are available. This paper will shock even those who think that they know what has happened and what is now taking place. The deception is incredible. If the people do not respond to this information we can then truly say that it is over and that we will never be free. This paper is not opinion, but it is fact and is all documented.

Now, what people have to realize is there are remedies for the problems that not just America faces, but the World. There are people all over the World that know what is going on and they are doing something about it. People all over America are emerging victorious over the images in their minds. Let us not forget the absolute astonishing amount of debt discharges that have taken place over the last few months. What is happening in America is unbelievable. People are coming out of the delusions, they have figured and realized that the United States is a fiction and that it only exists in our minds. Tens of thousands of people now know that the "United States" does not exist and that it never has. There is no such thing as the National debt or a loan from the bank. Has any one ever seen "current credit money ?" The entire governmental system only exists in your mind.

Nicole Terry - noslavery@aol.com

By: Stephen Kimbol Ames

Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. Social Security, as follows:

S.I. 1997 NO.1778 The Social Security ( United States of America) Order 1997 Made 22nd of July 1997 coming into force 1st September 1997. At the Court at Buckingham Palace the 22nd day of July 1997. Now, therefore Her Majesty an pursuance of section 179 (1) (a) and (2) of the Social Security Administration Act of 1992 and all other powers enabling Her in that behalf, is please, by and with advise of Her privy Council, to order, and it is hereby ordered as follows:

"This Order may be cited as the Social Security (United States of America) Order 1997 and shall come into force on 1st September 1997."

Does this give a new meaning to Federal Judge William Wayne Justice stating in court that he takes his orders from England? This order goes on to redefine words in the Social Security Act and makes some changes in United States Law.

Remember, King George was the "Arch-Treasurer and Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire and c, and of the United States of America." See: Treaty of Peace (1738) 8 U.S. Statutes at Large. Great Britain which is the agent for the Pope, is in charge of the USA 'plantation.'

What people do not know is that the so called Founding Fathers and King George were working hand-n-hand to bring the people of America to there knees, to install a Central Government over them and to bind them to a debt that could not be paid. First off you have to understand that the UNITED STATES is a corporation and that it existed before the Revolutionary war. See Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43. 28 U.S.C. 3002 (15)

Now, you also have to realize that King George was not just the King of England, he was also the King of France. Treaty of Peace * U.S. 8 Statutes at Large 80.

On January 22, 1783 Congress ratified a contract for the repayment of 21 loans that the UNITED STATES had already received dating from February 28, 1778 to July 5, 1782. Now the UNITED STATES Inc. owes the King money which is due January 1, 1788 from King George via France. Is this not incredible the King funded both sides of the War. But there was more work that needed to be done. Now the Articles of Confederation which was declared in force March 1, 1781 States in Article 12 " All bills of credit emitted, monies borrowed,and debts contracted by, or under the authority of Congress, before the assembling of the United States, in pursuance of the present confederation, shall be deemed and considered a charge against the United States, for payment and satisfaction whereof the said United States, and the public faith are hereby solemnly pledged."

Now after losing the Revolutionary War, even though the War was nothing more than a move to turn the people into debtors for the King, they were not done yet.

Now the loans were coming due and so a meeting was convened in Annapolis, Maryland, to discuss the economic instability of the country under the Articles of Confederation. Only five States come to the meeting, but there is a call for another meeting to take place in Philadelphia the following year with the express purpose of revising the Articles of Confederation

On February 21, 1787 Congress gave approval of the meeting to take place in Philadelphia on May 14, 1787, to revise the Articles of confederation. Something had to be done about the mounting debt. Little did the people know that the so called founding fathers were acutely going to reorganize the United States because it was Bankrupt.

On September 17, 1787 twelve State delegates approve the Constitution. The States have now become Constitutors. Constitutor: In the civil law, one who, by simple agreement, becomes responsible for the payment of another's debt. Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. The States were now liable for the debt owed to the King, but the people of America were not because they were not a party to the Constitution because it was never put to them for a vote On August 4th, 1790 an Act was passed which was Titled.-An Act making provision for the payment of the Debt of the United States. This can be found at 1 U.S. Statutes at Large pages 138-178. This Act for all intents and purposes abolished the States and Created the Districts. If you don't believe it look it up. The Act set up Federal Districts, here in Pennsylvania we got two. In this Act each District was assigned a portion of the debt. The next step was for the states to reorganize their governments which most did in 1790. This had to be done because the States needed to legally bind the people to the debt. The original State Constitutions were never submitted to the people for a vote. So the governments wrote new constitutions and submitted them to people for a vote thereby binding the people to the debts owed to Great Britain. The people became citizens of the State where they resided and ipso facto a citizen of the United States. A citizen is a member of a fictional entity and it is synonymous with subject.

What you think is a state is in reality a corporation, in other words, a Person.

"Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is Person." 9 F. Supp 272 "Word "person" does not include state. 12 Op Atty Gen 176.

There are no states, just corporations. Every body politic on this planet is a corporation. A corporation is an artificial entity, a fiction at law. They only exist in your mind. They are images in your mind, that speak to you. We labor, pledge our property and give our children to a fiction.

Now before we go any further let us examine a few things in the Constitution.

Article six section one keeps the loans from the King valid it states; All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

Another interesting tidbit can be found at Article One Section Eight clause Two which states that Congress has the power to borrow money on the credit of the United States. This was needed so the United States (Which went into Bankruptcy on January 1, 1788) could borrow money and then because the States were a party to the Constitution they would also be liable for it.

The next underhanded move was the creation of The United States Bank in 1791. This was a private Bank of which there were 25,000 shares issued of which 18,000 were held by those in England. The Bank loaned the United States money in exchange for Securities of the United States

Now the creditors of the United States which included the King wanted paid the Interest on the loans that were given to the United States. So Alexander Hamilton came up with the great idea of taxing alcohol.The people resisted so George Washington sent out the militia to collect the tax which they did. This has become known as the Whiskey rebellion. It is the Militia's duty to collect taxes. How did the United States collect taxes off of the people if the people are not a party to the Constitution? I'll tell you how. The people are slaves! The United States belongs to the floundering fathers and their posterity and Great Britain. America is nothing more than a Plantation. It always has been. How many times have you seen someone in court attempt to use the Constitution and then the Judge tells him he can't. It is because you are not a party to it. We are SLAVES!!!!!!! If you don't believe read Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. The Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah. 14 Georgia 438, 520 which states " But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution, the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he is not a party to it."

Now back to the Militia. Just read Article One Section Eight clause (15) which states that it is the militia's job to execute the laws of the Union. Now read Clause (16) Which states that Congress has the power to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States.... the Militia is not there to protect you and me, it is their to collect our substance.

As you can plainly see all the Constitution did is set up a Military Government to guard the King's commerce and make us slaves.

If one goes to 8 U.S. statutes at large 116-132 you will find "The Treaty of Amity, Commerce and Navigation. This Treaty was signed on November 19th, 1794 which was twelve years after the War. Article 2 of the Treaty states that the King's Troops were still occupying the United States. Being the nice King that he was , he decided that the troops would return to England by June 1st, 1796. The troops were still on American soil because, quite frankly the King wanted them here.

Here is the key to were this started:

Many people tend to blame the Jews for our problems. Jewish Law governs the entire world, as found in Jewish Law by MENACHEM ELON, DEPUTY PRESIDENT SUPREME COURT OF ISRAEL, to wit:

"Everything in the Babylonian Talmud is binding on all Israel. Every town and country must follow all customs, give effect to the decrees, and carry out the enactment's of the Talmudic sages, because the entire Jewish people accepted everything contained in Talmud. The sages who adopted the enactment's and decrees, instituted the practices, rendered the decisions, and derived the laws, constituted all or most of the Sages of Israel. It is they who received the tradition of the fundamentals of the entire Torah in unbroken succession going back to Moses, our teacher."

We are living under what the Bible calls Mammon. As written in the subject Index, Mammon is defined as ("Civil law and procedure").

Now turn to the "The Shetars Effect on English Law" -- A Law of the Jews Becomes the Law of the Land, found in "The George Town Law Journal, Vol 71: pages 1179-1200." It is clearly stated in the Law Review that the Jews are the property of the Norman and Anglo-Saxon Kings. It also explains that the Talmud is the law of the land. It explains how the Babylonian Talmud became the law of the land, which is now known as the Uniform Commercial Code. The written credit agreement -- the Jewish shetar is a lien on all property (realty) and today it's called the mortgage! The treatise also explains that the Jews are owned by Great Britain and the Jews are in charge of the Baking system. We are living under the Babylonian Talmud, it is were all of our problems come from. It was brought into England in 1066 and has been enforced by the Pope, Kings and the Christian churches ever since. It is total and relentless mind control, people are taught to believe in things that do not exist.

Now before you scream that the UCC is unconstitutional I'm sorry people, you are not a party to any constitution. Read the case cite below.

"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it." Padelford, Fay & Co., vs. Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah 14 Ga. 438, 520

You have to understand that Great Britain,(Article six Section one) the United States and the States are the parties to the Constitution not you. Let me try to explain. If I buy an automobile from a man and that automobile has a warranty and the engine blows up the first day I have it. Then I tell the man just forget about it. Then you come along and tell the man to pay me and he says no. So you take him to court for not holding up the contract. The court then says case dismissed. Why ? Because you are not a party to the contract. You cannot sue a government official for not adhering to a contract (Constitution) that you are not a party too. You better accept the fact that you are a Slave. When you try to use the Constitution you are committing a CRIME known as CRIMINAL TRESPASS. Why ? Because you are attempting to infringe on a private contract that you are not a party to. Then to make matters worse you are a debt slave who owns no property or has any rights. You are a mere user of your Masters property! Here are just a couple of examples:

"The primary control and custody of infant is with the government" Tillman V. Roberts. 108 So. 62

" Marriage is a civil contract to which there are three parties-the husband, the wife and the state." Van Koten v. Van Koten. 154 N.E. 146.

"The ultimate ownership of all property is in the State: individual so-called "ownership" is only by virtue of Government, i.e. law amounting to mere user; and use must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State. Senate Document No. 43 73rd Congress 1st Session. (Brown v. Welch supra) You own no Property because you are a slave. Really you are worse off than a slave because you are also a debtor.

"The right of traffic or the transmission of property, as an absolute inalienable right, is one which has never existed since governments were instituted, and never can exist under government." Wynehamer v. The People. 13 N.Y. Rep.378, 481

Great Britain to this day collects taxes from the American people. The IRS is not an Agency of the United States Government.

All taxpayers have an Individual Master File which is in code. By using IRS Publication 6209, which is over 400 pages, there is a blocking series which shows the taxpayer the type of tax that is being paid. Most taxpayers fall under a 300-399 blocking series, which 6209 states is reserved, but by going to BMF 300-399 which is the Business Master File in 6209 prior to 1991, this was U.S.-U.K. Tax Claims, meaning taxpayers are considered a business and involved in commerce and are held liable for taxes via a treaty between the U.S. and the U.K., payable to the U.K. The form that is supposed to be used for this is form 8288, FIRPTA-Foreign Investment Real Property Tax Account. The 8288 form is in the Law Enforcement Manual of the IRS, chapter 3. The OMB's-paper-Office of Management and Budget, in the Department of Treasury, List of Active Information collections, Approved Under Paperwork Reduction Act is where form 8288 is found under OMB number 1545-0902, which says U.S. with holding tax return for dispositions by foreign persons, of U.S. Form #8288, #8288a.

These codes have since been changed to read as follows: IMF 300-309, Barred Assessment, CP 55 generated valid for MFT-30, which is the code for the 1040 form. IMF 310-399 reads the same as IMF 300-309, BMF 390-399 reads U.S.-U.K. Tax Treaty Claims. Isn't it INCREDIBLE that a 1040 form is a payment of a tax to the U.K. Everybody is always looking to 26 U.S.C. for the law that makes one liable for the so called Income Tax but, it is not in there because it is not a Tax, it is debt collection through a private contract called the Constitution of the United States Article Six, Section One. and various agreements. Is a cow paying an income tax when the machine gets connected to it's udders ? The answer is no. I have never known a cow that owns property or has been compensated for its labor. You own nothing that your labor has ever produced. You don't even own your labor or yourself. Your labor is measured in current credit money. You are allowed to retain a small portion of your labor so that you can have food, clothing shelter and most of all breed more slaves. Did you ever notice how many of the other slaves get upset if you try to retain your labor. You are called an extremist, terrorist and sometimes even a freeman. They say that you are anti-government. When the truth of the matter is you just don;t want to be a slave. But, you do not have the right to force others to be free if they want to be a slave that is entirely up to them. If they want bow down and worship corporations, let them. The United States, Great Britain and the Pope are not the problem, it is the other slaves. We would be free if the want-to-be-slaves were gone. The United States, Great Britain and the Pope would not even exist, because no one would acknowledge them. I for a matter of fact, think that those who are in power are also tired of the slaves. All the slaves do is stand around and MOO!!! For free healthcare, free education, free housing and they beg those who are in power to disarm them I do agree that a slave should not have access to a firearm. How can you disagree with the government passing out birth control ? I hope the breeding of slaves stops or at the very least slows down.

You see we are cows, the IRS is company who milks the cows and the United States Inc. is the veterinarian who takes care of the herd and Great Britain is the Owner of the farm in fee simple. The farm is held in allodium by the Pope.

Now to Rome. "Convinced that the principles of religion contribute most powerfully to keep nations in the state of passive obedience which they owe to their princes, the high contracting parties declare it to be their intention to sustain in their respective states, those measures which the clergy may adopt with the aim of ameliorating their interests, so intimately connected with the preservation of the authority of the princes; and the contracting powers join in offering their thanks to the Pope for what he has already done for them, and solicit his constant cooperation in their views of submitting the nations." Article (3) Treaty of Varona (1822)

If the Sovereign Pontiff should nevertheless, insist on his law being observed he must be obeyed. Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati, 1844. Pontifical laws moreover become obligatory without being accepted or confirmed by secular rulers. Syllabus, prop. 28, 29, 44. Hence the jus nationale,(Federal Law) or the exceptional ecclesiastical laws prevalent in the United States, may be abolished at any time by the Sovereign Pontiff. Elements of Ecclesiastical Law. Vol. I 53-54. So could this be shown that the Pope rules the world? The Pope is the ultimate owner of everything in the World. See Treaty of 1213, Papal Bull of 1455 and 1492.
I could go on and on, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Don't let this information scare you because without it you cannot be free, You have to understand that all slavery and freedom originates in the mind. When your mind allows you to accept and understand that the United States, Great Britain and the Vatican are corporations which are nothing but fictional entities which have been placed into your mind, you will understand that your slavery was because you believed a lie.

For more information: Nicole Terry 630K, Willow Street Highspire, Pennsylvania 17034 717-986-0239 noslavery@aol.com
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[nihil]

We can say, in simple words, that USA are still a colony of the UK Royal Crown .

Common-wealth free to try as, let's say, alien abductions .

Free human resources for all .

[Ian2day]

Its me.

[grandsecretary]

For many years I have been concerned that it costs far too much (many millions of dollars) to become the President of The United States.

My concern is that large donations to a campaign do not come without strings being attached to them. This suspicion is enhanced when certain Corporations donate to the campaigns of both candidates, Republican and Democrat. It cannot be because they support the political cause, surely?

Take IBM for example. Why do they donate such huge sums? There are many other examples.

This happens in England, to a lesser extent, but it is still a cause for genuine concern.

The answer, of course is that they seek to exert political influence, after the election is over. Their money buys lobbying power.

IMHO this is unfair to the electorate at large, and immoral. Votes should be the only factor deciding an election.

There seems to me, a crying need for legislation designed to fund political campaigns, at the same time banning large donations from individuals and corporations.

PS: The new US Ambassador to the United Kingdom is not a career diplomat, but a lawyer. He was and is a major contributor to Democratic Party funds. He is known as "the hoover" because he sucks up all available funds on behalf of The Democrats. This is topical and serves to illustrate my concerns.

[boots]

Good post grandsecretary