Antichrist

[tinmenace]

Everything starts with thought, and consciousness is a massively powerful energy, especially when concentrated and focused.

By believing that the Antichrist exists, people are actually making him a reality. They are manifesting him with their thoughts.

They are convinced that because Revelations says that the Antichrist is coming, that it is the truth, and collectively they are making it a reality.

Is this another form of manipulation by the spiritually devoid reptilian loomies to manifest their ultimate demon to wreak havoc on the earth?

Does anyone recall what Arizona said about them using her to invoke demons because the reppies were unable to?

[graflok]

Does anyone recall what Arizona said about them using her to invoke demons because the reppies were unable to?


What I recall her saying that the reps couldn't do (and she could) was the ability to move into dimensions beyond the fourth.

Evidently the reps are mostly stuck in the fourth dimension but can move into the 3rd (our) dimension under some circumstances. But, they can't go higher than the fourth and we (humans) can.

graflok

[thoth]

We are the channels for them. They use our bodies, physical and non-physical completely for their benefit. The antichrist is not as important as so of the other factors out there. But if people believe in it, they WILL manifest it!

[phoenix1]

Everything starts with thought, and consciousness is a massively powerful energy, especially when concentrated and focused.

By believing that the Antichrist exists, people are actually making him a reality. They are manifesting him with their thoughts.

They are convinced that because Revelations says that the Antichrist is coming, that it is the truth, and collectively they are making it a reality.

Is this another form of manipulation by the spiritually devoid reptilian loomies to manifest their ultimate demon to wreak havoc on the earth?

Does anyone recall what Arizona said about them using her to invoke demons because the reppies were unable to?




Well we know the Bible is contrived, and a mish mash of stuff for me (It IS the agenda they are working from) Revelations bieng the CULMINATION of "The Work" THE END OF DAYS = CAPITAL FEAR.

This is just to keep us unaware we are entering the photonic/band/belt
and heralding a NEW GOLDEN AGE the last one bieng Leo,directly opposite Aquarius.

See we are educated that the ancient Egyptians for instance, where a Brutal People when in actuallity the opposite was true. The Egyptians LIVED the DREAM and later where corrupted by external forces within the Priesthood, not fully completed in their Wisdom Schools....A rouge faction If you like.

Much of this faction has remained in the darkness because they didn't complete properly to the ACTUAL WISDOM..not of money but MIND.


The Draco and the other reptoids well
They also know that we are approching the full turn of the precession of the euqinoxes. Personaly I think they want to leave here. I think they have been here far longer than the Adamic Race (us)

If people are so FIXED on the Bible as TRUTH then they will, WILL the Antichrist Conciousnes into the Arena if indeed THAT conciousness is not allready herem and empower it the more.

It would seem the Beast has been here for a long time I would say, its been in all the wars and all over the place running rampant.

John Dee the Elizabethen Advisor to QE1 was a major player amongst others in
Europe at the time linking up and summoning the Macro's who demand blood and ritual as a price for their "services" But they serve the Lower paths of the 4thD as far as I am aware,

Arizona Wilder..well again today I watched Davids interview with her called

"Revelations Of A Mother Goddess" Although, I FEEL a lot ...sesnitive like OK, and something about Arizona Wilder does not ring right for me when you see her.

No Arizona Wilder, although what she says is on the money, ans I know what she may or may not have been through, but something just aint right with her, and its difficult to put my finger on it Tin.


ALL THE LOVE FRIEND

Phoenix:) :) :)

[tinmenace]

Yeah, you know...I have to agree with you there. Something about her and I can also not put my finger on it. Always just thought it was me, but I'm glad to hear you say the same thing because I respect your opinion.

Yeah, if the masses believe the Antichrist exists, or is going to exist, they will manifest him. Had Revelations not said anything about it, and had tons of people not interpreted it that way, he wouldn't even feature.

It's all about the power of thought, and the spell that keeps this in place is called DOGMA.

[phoenix1]

Yeah, you know...I have to agree with you there. Something about her and I can also not put my finger on it. Always just thought it was me, but I'm glad to hear you say the same thing because I respect your opinion.

Yeah, if the masses believe the Antichrist exists, or is going to exist, they will manifest him. Had Revelations not said anything about it, and had tons of people not interpreted it that way, he wouldn't even feature.

It's all about the power of thought, and the spell that keeps this in place is called DOGMA.


Cheers Tin yeah something about her alright, not right. No It isn't just you Tin she was discussed on the Old Forum too, couple of years back. No others thought Wilder was "Off it Too" PM on the way on that one.
Your oppinion is prized by me too Tin Deffo, you see the coup the way I do, erosion, erosion, sacrifice, spellbinding and negative empowerment of ritual.
No since the eary days the antichrist /s there are more than one I believe , in fact many, and I can't remember the term for the collective antichrist consiousness's but i'll see if I can find a reference to it.

Your right though, if people had not beleived the dogma to start with we wouldnt be in the predicament. But as there are two ways to read the Script, (they give us the shit one btw) The Torah is supposed to be one book for instance it is now the pentatuch, the first 5 books (split fom one continuous torah) into the 5 first books od The Old Testament.

The ORIGINAL Torah, is under lock and key, and you can not get an original transcipt of it.

All the Bible is is bools on the surface, but as IAAIA will tell you after reading the opening chapters of The Secret In The Bible by Tony Bushby, its plain we have been sold the biggest scam in history.


Anyway if the Antichrist/s come round my house i'll kick their collective ass LOL

[turquoisefyre]

Everything starts with thought, and consciousness is a massively powerful energy, especially when concentrated and focused.

By believing that the Antichrist exists, people are actually making him a reality. They are manifesting him with their thoughts.

They are convinced that because Revelations says that the Antichrist is coming, that it is the truth, and collectively they are making it a reality.

Is this another form of manipulation by the spiritually devoid reptilian loomies to manifest their ultimate demon to wreak havoc on the earth?

Does anyone recall what Arizona said about them using her to invoke demons because the reppies were unable to?





yip, i've come to this kind of conclusion a while ago. i agree. "they" are creating the slave reality...it's not just happening.

[bigus_dickus]

don't worry...

they will manifest christ after that and he gonna save our asses.

that's what comes next, right? these illumiez are nice guys after all.

[graflok]

Ah, but who is the Anti-Satan? :cool:

graflok

[bigus_dickus]

Ah, but who is the Anti-Satan? :cool:

graflok

never heard of him. he is not mentioned in the scriptures, therefore he doesn't exist :cool:

[tinmenace]

The scriptures cannot be taken as fact. For example, there is no proof Christ ever existed.

Also, How did Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel go on to populate the planet without corrupting the DNA?

The scriptures don't add up.

[james777]

The scriptures cannot be taken as fact. For example, there is no proof Christ ever existed.

Also, How did Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel go on to populate the planet without corrupting the DNA?

The scriptures don't add up.

Well the question is, who said they didn't corrupt the DNA and who were the 'Nephilim' introduced in Genisis 6:4? Ever think that there were other beings here? We do know that 'Lucifer' originally made contact with man, so who's to say or think that they weren't living here, on mars or anywhere else in our universe?

[tinmenace]

Well the question is, who said they didn't corrupt the DNA and who were the 'Nephilim' introduced in Genisis 6:4? Ever think that there were other beings here? We do know that 'Lucifer' originally made contact with man, so who's to say or think that they weren't living here, on mars or anywhere else in our universe?

So, what are you trying to say?

[bigus_dickus]

The scriptures cannot be taken as fact. For example, there is no proof Christ ever existed.

Also, How did Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel go on to populate the planet without corrupting the DNA?

The scriptures don't add up.

of course there is no proof of christ. there can't be any proof of that, it's like asking proof of buddha. i guess you have to be it to know what it is, or meet someone who have those qualities.

these people knew the power of the mind, those guys from the east, they had ways to realize themselves and many philosophies were brought forth after this knowledge. so, the image of christ exists since very ancient times. it is not a religious figure, it is a human figure in its full human potential, a state that we are all supposed to be capable of. this is not how jesus is shown in the so called bible, but this is in a few words what it meant before they formed religions after these ancient ideas and knowledge.

it's really a knowledge about nothing and all the fuss is about nothing. the only thing that makes it something, is the human beings and their drama, that made them create religious beliefs. this is said to be a cosmic cycle, that consists of negative influences and separation, the "dark ages". i don't know and i don't really believe it, because i know that we always have a choice no matter what.

anyway, a simple speculation of the book of genesis, which speaks about the creation of the world and the hebrew people.

it refers to "god" in plural, so it actually says that the gods created everything and that they created man and woman in their "own image and likeness". then, there is an individual "rebel" member of them, who creates his own experiment, his own man. and he puts his creation in his own garden. from one of his rib (it actually means side and i think it means one strand of DNA, the chromosome that makes the difference), he creates the woman. now remember there were already women and men on earth at that time, i don't know how they looked and what they were doing, they were probably just living their lives, evolving possibly like everything else.

these beings have no free will, so they can't create anything. the secret is kept, but also revealed by their "god". he could have secured everything and not take risks, however it seems like he was not able to do that. and he didn't want his people to start thinking for themselves. but, the "serpent" revealed the secret to them. "god" had lied to them, telling them that they would die if they made that choice, but they surely didn't, because it is written that adam dies nine hundred or so years later, after having many children. it is also written that they mingled with the other people of the planet and started their own bloodline.

this story, doesn't seem to have anything to do with the religion of christianity as it is today. today's christianity is based on the new testament, which is a combination of books and traditions. these books, are a collection of pagan beliefs and a combination of their traditions, with some things changed and also very popular stories of that time. however, the most important and popular stories were left out, because they were "dangerous" to the government. not to mention, that many of the customs related to christianity today, come from very ancient practices from ancient greece. orthodox christianity has much in common with ancient greek and hebrew traditions and practices.
it looks like what they intended to do, was to join the people together, under one religion and government, and re-install kings as "god" figures.

there were more fights and wars and slaughters among christians than there were between christians and others. there has been a time, where people were fighting about whether to worship the images of their saints or the saints themselves, about the nature and story of jesus, about what should they wear, about any crazy shit you can imagine. i have never understood this when i was taught about it as a kid. how could people be that stupid, couldn't they just live their lives? why were they always looking for reasons to bang their heads together? maybe this planet is one stupid place after all.

anyway, there is truth in the bible regarding to christ. to me it is too obvious, but things are not exactly as written in the bible. the bible looks too scrambled and confusing. if there was no truth there, we wouldn't resonate with it a single bit and no one would believe a thing in there. it's mostly symbolic and described in myths all over the world in all traditions. it is the same truth that you find in other more ancient texts and philosophies, that got very scrambled and eventually forgotten.

[graflok]

Arizona Wilder..well again today I watched Davids interview with her called

"Revelations Of A Mother Goddess" Although, I FEEL a lot ...sesnitive like OK, and something about Arizona Wilder does not ring right for me when you see her.

No Arizona Wilder, although what she says is on the money, ans I know what she may or may not have been through, but something just aint right with her, and its difficult to put my finger on it Tin.


My feeling about Arizona Wilder is that she's had a lifetime of abuse and trauma-based mind control run on her. Same with Cathy O'Neil and the others who have come forward. They're all a bit askew in some ways, I suppose, but I gotta cut them some slack. They've been through an unimaginably cruel life and been forced to do horrendous things to others including their own family members. In some cases they may have even murdered and/or tortured others but are choosing not to discuss that aspect of their involvement to avoid self incrimination. I can't say I blame them for that choice (if that is in fact true) and I'm just glad they've come forward and revealed what they've revealed.

This is one way the illuminati keep people from leaving and from talking. By getting them to commit crimes that they wouldn't want others to know about.

Arizona, in particular, conducted and participated in many blood sacrifice rituals in which people, including children, were murdered and eaten. That was her primary function in the cult. I would expect someone who lived that kind of life to be a tad strange as a result.

graflok

[james777]

your quote, "of course there is no proof of christ. there can't be any proof of that, it's like asking proof of buddha"

My friend, what do you constitute as proof? Not only are there many historical documents pertaining to the both of them, but also, the religions themselves embody proof of their existence.


your quote, "it refers to "god" in plural"

Now which verses are these?


your quote, "this story, doesn't seem to have anything to do with the religion of christianity as it is today."

The Bible itself never, not even once, mentions the religion of christianity. This is something that was later added to the 'christains' (followers of Jesus) so that the Pharisees (early roman catholics) could put a label on them to create distinction.


your quote ,"god" had lied to them, telling them that they would die if they made that choice, but they surely didn't, because it is written that adam dies nine hundred or so years later

Well isn't it still dying, even though it's nine hundred or so years later??

[i am all i am]

your quote, "it refers to "god" in plural"

Now which verses are these?

For your edification, ELOHIM is the plural word of God, and therefore means GODS.

With LOVE. http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gif

[lumukanda]

Genesis 1 v 26
26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."

Genesis 3 v 22
22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever"

[tinmenace]

of course there is no proof of christ. there can't be any proof of that, it's like asking proof of buddha. i guess you have to be it to know what it is, or meet someone who have those qualities.

these people knew the power of the mind, those guys from the east, they had ways to realize themselves and many philosophies were brought forth after this knowledge. so, the image of christ exists since very ancient times. it is not a religious figure, it is a human figure in its full human potential, a state that we are all supposed to be capable of. this is not how jesus is shown in the so called bible, but this is in a few words what it meant before they formed religions after these ancient ideas and knowledge.

it's really a knowledge about nothing and all the fuss is about nothing. the only thing that makes it something, is the human beings and their drama, that made them create religious beliefs. this is said to be a cosmic cycle, that consists of negative influences and separation, the "dark ages". i don't know and i don't really believe it, because i know that we always have a choice no matter what.

anyway, a simple speculation of the book of genesis, which speaks about the creation of the world and the hebrew people.

it refers to "god" in plural, so it actually says that the gods created everything and that they created man and woman in their "own image and likeness". then, there is an individual "rebel" member of them, who creates his own experiment, his own man. and he puts his creation in his own garden. from one of his rib (it actually means side and i think it means one strand of DNA, the chromosome that makes the difference), he creates the woman. now remember there were already women and men on earth at that time, i don't know how they looked and what they were doing, they were probably just living their lives, evolving possibly like everything else.

these beings have no free will, so they can't create anything. the secret is kept, but also revealed by their "god". he could have secured everything and not take risks, however it seems like he was not able to do that. and he didn't want his people to start thinking for themselves. but, the "serpent" revealed the secret to them. "god" had lied to them, telling them that they would die if they made that choice, but they surely didn't, because it is written that adam dies nine hundred or so years later, after having many children. it is also written that they mingled with the other people of the planet and started their own bloodline.

this story, doesn't seem to have anything to do with the religion of christianity as it is today. today's christianity is based on the new testament, which is a combination of books and traditions. these books, are a collection of pagan beliefs and a combination of their traditions, with some things changed and also very popular stories of that time. however, the most important and popular stories were left out, because they were "dangerous" to the government. not to mention, that many of the customs related to christianity today, come from very ancient practices from ancient greece. orthodox christianity has much in common with ancient greek and hebrew traditions and practices.
it looks like what they intended to do, was to join the people together, under one religion and government, and re-install kings as "god" figures.

there were more fights and wars and slaughters among christians than there were between christians and others. there has been a time, where people were fighting about whether to worship the images of their saints or the saints themselves, about the nature and story of jesus, about what should they wear, about any crazy shit you can imagine. i have never understood this when i was taught about it as a kid. how could people be that stupid, couldn't they just live their lives? why were they always looking for reasons to bang their heads together? maybe this planet is one stupid place after all.

anyway, there is truth in the bible regarding to christ. to me it is too obvious, but things are not exactly as written in the bible. the bible looks too scrambled and confusing. if there was no truth there, we wouldn't resonate with it a single bit and no one would believe a thing in there. it's mostly symbolic and described in myths all over the world in all traditions. it is the same truth that you find in other more ancient texts and philosophies, that got very scrambled and eventually forgotten.

All that would be fine if everyone that thumps on the bible would interpret it that way. But they don't. The bible is a tool of oppression and dogma. The darkest act there is.

[tinmenace]

That's it boys, show 'em.

[bigus_dickus]

your quote, "of course there is no proof of christ. there can't be any proof of that, it's like asking proof of buddha"

My friend, what do you constitute as proof? Not only are there many historical documents pertaining to the both of them, but also, the religions themselves embody proof of their existence.

there are documents, but what is considered proof of the 'divinity', is the 'miracles', the healing, the life story, the resurrections etc.

it's the same kind of proof that david icke's books contain. you either believe them, or not.

i mean, if you were jesus christ, would you need to prove it? and how would you prove it and to whom? if you ever met him and saw who he was and what he did, how would you prove that you are telling the truth that he is real? you would have to count on other people believing what you say.

it is logical and real to me, that what jesus was, we can be. it is said in buddhism and other philosophies that any form of consciousness has this potential and destiny. they were doing it with teachings, traditions, meditation and initiation.
because why do people think that hey can't hold all the love of the world in their hearts and there is only one person in the whole history of mankind who was capable of that? isn't that a belief that closes that potential to them and makes them wait for a "savior" to fill them? and until that happens, they have to spend their whole lives waiting and living in sin and repenting?

people don't know what jesus meant when he said "i am the truth", "i am the way", "eternal life can be attained only through me", "i am the alpha and the omega". what does he mean "through him"? do people really know? people think that "i am the truth" and "through me" means that we should just believe that he existed and be nice and kind like him and that's all. but does he really mean that?

note: "sin" as the original greek word "amartia" says, means "to miss the point"

your quote, "it refers to "god" in plural"

Now which verses are these?

i don't memorize verses and their numbers, it's in the "genesis", the plurality of "elohim" as iaaia says. the individual god yahweh comes later in the story.

your quote, "this story, doesn't seem to have anything to do with the religion of christianity as it is today."

The Bible itself never, not even once, mentions the religion of christianity. This is something that was later added to the 'christains' (followers of Jesus) so that the Pharisees (early roman catholics) could put a label on them to create distinction.

it does not even mention a religion, it refers to jesus followers as the "assembly (ekklesia) of jesus", or "church of jesus".

but words have lost their true meaning, for example what does "god" mean. it means something different to everyone, we can't just put "god" in a box and sell it, "god" is supposed to be everything that exists, the void in space, in between matter and thoughts, consciousness, life, nothingness and energy. all that together that is too big, too "infinite" to understand.

however the hebrew god of the old testament is a creature that "walks in his garden" and can be heard walking and speaking.

but, do christian people believe that "god" is a creature that lives somewhere, maybe in another planet? they don't.. because jesus talks about our "father in the heavens" as the totality of being and life altogether.

your quote ,"god" had lied to them, telling them that they would die if they made that choice, but they surely didn't, because it is written that adam dies nine hundred or so years later

Well isn't it still dying, even though it's nine hundred or so years later??

it is, but did they know it?

imagine that you are adam and someone tells you (even if its symbolic) that if you eat this fruit or do something you will die. and you do it and you don't die. and then you are taken to live somewhere else. then, do you know when or if you are going to die?

if you are 'adam' having your new life on earth (and not heaven) for a few hundred years, do you expect to die any time soon? you are alive and you did not die, what you did had consequences, but you are still alive. so where is the death that was promised?

and then the first crime comes, cain kills his brother, so do these people begin to grasp the concept of death by having their children die? and why does yahweh accept the blood sacrifice of one of adam's sons and not the products that were grown from earth? why does he dislike adam's son? isn't he supposed to love every single soul as a part of him? nope, he has certain expectations and rules, this guy.

then, the question that derives is, doesn't adam really live through his children, his bloodline? isn't adam a soul, or an eternal spirit that contains physical form? or did adam's soul die with his body?

so, if there is life in heaven after death, as the bible teaches, the whole death of adam concept, is a figure of speech, as his spirit continues to live. if there is no life in heaven, then adam and eve are destroyed once and for all once they were dead and everything that has to do with the eternal life of spirit and god, is a lie.

notice that, life of the first humans in heaven, does not get described at all. they don't have permission to procreate, they don't have permission to create anything new, to have sex and children, otherwise they would have had children while inside the eternal life of heaven. so they begin to mate and have children once their "eyes were opened" and as instructed by their master.
what adam was supposed to be doing, is giving names and meanings to things and creatures, so here we have the birth of language and spoken word.

other people have had populated earth at that time as it is written, so that means that other humans existed who had children and civilizations of their own.

and of course, even in the old testament, in genesis it is mentioned that, the "sons of god" (wtf?) saw the beauty of the "daughters of man" (note: not adam and eve's daughters!) and fucked them. excuse the word, but that's what it says, so wtf again.

does that mean that death and birth go together? possibly yes, but this does not mean the end of life, rather the continuation of life. so, "mortal life" is "birth and death", while "eternal life" is "no birth, no death". so, what comes out of this story, is that the first humans get acquainted with death, that already existed in nature and on earth. but since they have never died since created, they had no knowledge of what it is.

these are questions i have be asking since i was a kid, to everyone who was teaching this stuff to me. they were not able to analyze and explain, all they wanted was me to believe a dogma that does not make any sense.

[lumukanda]

i found some more :

Genesis 11 v 7:
7 Come, let us go down, and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

Isaiah 6 v 8
And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" Then I said, "Here am I! Send me."

[james777]

LUMUKANDA;

Genesis 1 v 26
Quote:
26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."

Genesis 3 v 22
Quote:
22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever"

Genesis 11 v 7:
Quote:
7 Come, let us go down, and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

Isaiah 6 v 8
Quote:
And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" Then I said, "Here am I! Send me."


Although you bring up some very exquisite points, definitely worth researching further, we cannot just 'assume' that he is talking to other gods. It is never clear 'who' he is speaking to and one's perception can lead him down many different avenues of explanation.


BIGUSDICKUS;

I must say, I appreciate your thirst and hunger for knowledge. I appreciate your balanced and honest inquiries. Unfortunetely people in your past have not been able to digest the level of your intellect and therefore, "all they wanted was me to believe a dogma that does not make any sense."
As I haven't enough time right now, but soon I will delve into this topic with you in desire to bring about some culmination, because I too have inquisition on this topic.

[lumukanda]

LUMUKANDA;
Although you bring up some very exquisite points, definitely worth researching further, we cannot just 'assume' that he is talking to other gods. It is never clear 'who' he is speaking to and one's perception can lead him down many different avenues of explanation.


well, when god says that we must make man in our image, one can only surmise he is talking to other gods, unless angels are gods or god is an angel, neither of which are true according to christian doctrine.

i agree the others may be a bit more ambigious, a bit more room for someone to explain away, but the Gen 1:26 is the breaker here, if god was not talking to other gods when he talks about 'our image', he was either inferring that he is an angel, or then you would have to surmise that angels are gods too, because i don't know who else he could have been talking to, in the beginning.

[james777]

your quote,"if god was not talking to other gods when he talks about 'our image', he was either inferring that he is an angel, or then you would have to surmise that angels are gods too"

You do bring a very good point, but just because he says 'our' image still doesn't prove that he is speaking with other gods or that he himself is an angel. We're talking about image here, consider the fact that they are created in his image, as well! So naturally he would say 'our'.

I'm not trying to undermine you, I'm just merely looking at the facts here and conveying my interpretation.

[oneofmany]

The ORIGINAL Torah, is under lock and key, and you can not get an original transcipt of it.

All the Bible is is bools on the surface, but as IAAIA will tell you after reading the opening chapters of The Secret In The Bible by Tony Bushby, its plain we have been sold the biggest scam in history.


Anyway if the Antichrist/s come round my house i'll kick their collective ass LOL

Hi phoenix1, I am in the middle of reading this fascinating book as we speak, and the information in this book, that you will struggle to find elsewhere, is mindboggling. It reveals where the true origins of Christian belief comes from and how the secret within the Bible has been kept over the millennia, It also explains to me why Hitler focused on the Gypsies as well as the Jews as an extermination target in WWII. They knew too much about the nature of the secret, and how to obtain the knowledge. This is also why the Jewish faith has a fascination with rebuilding Solomon's Temple, with all the said artefacts in place, just like the original. If you believe that Hitler was working for others (not naming names here) then it is easy to piece together why WWII became a reality, and why we are being forced into a totalitarian society today. The secret in Tony Bushby's book is dangerous, and if it ever gets out to the majority of the population; I can see the control that we now live under, quickly disappear.

THEY ARE SCARED OF US FINDING HIDDEN KNOWLEDGE PEOPLE.

[i am all i am]

your quote, "it refers to "god" in plural"

Now which verses are these?

Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph.
1. God presides in the great assembly;
he gives judgment among the "gods":

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=82&version=31

Does this clear it up for you James777 ???

Of course you could always deny this, that would be your choice.


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[james777]

IAMALLIAM;

Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph.
1. God presides in the great assembly;
he gives judgment among the "gods":


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...=82&version=31

Does this clear it up for you James777 ???

Of course you could always deny this, that would be your choice.

You've clearly taken this out of context here. If you read what David is saying, he's referring to the people as 'gods' because they are made in his image.

[i am all i am]

Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph.
1. God presides in the great assembly;
he gives judgment among the "gods":

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=82&version=31

Does this clear it up for you James777 ???

Of course you could always deny this, that would be your choice.


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As I said in the above quote, it's your choice to deny it.

Here is some links that offer further proof....

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.



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[tinmenace]

You've clearly taken this out of context here. If you read what David is saying, he's referring to the people as 'gods' because they are made in his image.

CLEARLY? I don't think anyone can say it's clearly taken out of context. I don't think you can logically eliminate that he was NOT sitting amongst other gods. How did you so quickly and comfortably eliminate that possibility?

Also, where does it reference that people are gods because they were made in God's image?

[james777]

IAMALLIAM;

For someone who claims the Bible to be folly and fable, why is it that when you want to try to prove a point, you quote scripture? The Bible is either all true or all false, so which is it?

Psalm 82

A psalm of Asaph.

1 God presides in the great assembly;
he gives judgment among the "gods":
2 "How long will you [a] defend the unjust
and show partiality to the wicked?
Selah

3 Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless;
maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed.

4 Rescue the weak and needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.

5 "They know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6 "I said, 'You are "gods";
you are all sons of the Most High.'

7 But you will die like mere men;
you will fall like every other ruler."

8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance.

TINMENACE;
your quote, "Also, where does it reference that people are gods because they were made in God's image?"

If you continue to read the chapter, instead of jumping to your own, short-sighted conclusions, it is properly explained. I even highlighted it for you.

[i am all i am]

IAMALLIAM;

For someone who claims the Bible to be folly and fable, why is it that when you want to try to prove a point, you quote scripture? The Bible is either all true or all false, so which is it?

For one thing, I have never said that the bible was folly.

Do you think it would be a good idea to quote the bible when we are discussing the contents of the bible ?

When paired opposites (RIGHT and WRONG) define your beliefs, your beliefs will imprison you.

There are many other colours apart from black and white. Have a look around you and you will see. If you choose to perceive anything as "all true or all false", that is your choice. By doing this you are merely creating an us and them scenario. Are you sure that this is what you desire to create ???

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[james777]

For one thing, I have never said that the bible was folly.

Do you think it would be a good idea to quote the bible when we are discussing the contents of the bible ?

When paired opposites (RIGHT and WRONG) define your beliefs, your beliefs will imprison you.

There are many other colours apart from black and white. Have a look around you and you will see. If you choose to perceive anything as "all true or all false", that is your choice. By doing this you are merely creating an us and them scenario. Are you sure that this is what you desire to create ???

So then, you're a believer in the Bible? Of course I think it would be a good idea to quote scripture when talking about it, however, if you believe:

your quote, "Jesus in the bible is a superstitous "fable", that is, made up story.", then how can you conclude that other aspects of the Bible are true?

Also, I have not created an US vs. THEM scenario. That's just the way it is. I can see all the colors just fine, but without black and white, colors would not exist, meaning that at the root of all things, black(wrong) and white(right) exist. Perhaps when you understand this, then you too will be able to see things the way they really are at the basic level of our reality.

If 'Paired opposites define your beliefs, then your beliefs will imprison you' why do you continue to be trapped in this, so-called Matrix? Why do you just not assend to the heavens and become One with your Oneness? Could it be that you really are 'trapped' here just like everybody else?

[tinmenace]

IAMALLIAM;

For someone who claims the Bible to be folly and fable, why is it that when you want to try to prove a point, you quote scripture? The Bible is either all true or all false, so which is it?

Psalm 82

A psalm of Asaph.

1 God presides in the great assembly;
he gives judgment among the "gods":
2 "How long will you [a] defend the unjust
and show partiality to the wicked?
Selah

3 Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless;
maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed.

4 Rescue the weak and needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.

5 "They know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6 "I said, 'You are "gods";
you are all sons of the Most High.'

7 But you will die like mere men;
you will fall like every other ruler."

8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance.

TINMENACE;
your quote, "Also, where does it reference that people are gods because they were made in God's image?"

If you continue to read the chapter, instead of jumping to your own, short-sighted conclusions, it is properly explained. I even highlighted it for you.

It sounds to me like he was addressing other gods. He even says "you will die LIKE MEN". Clearly distinguishing a difference between them, wouldn't you say?

[james777]

TINMENACE;

I would say he said, "But you will die like mere men", because the rulers of the earth in those days believed their powers to be God-like (much like today) and he just wanted to clarify the chain of command. Being a god on earth certainly doesn't constitute being a God! That's my view on it anyways.

[tinmenace]

...because the rulers of the earth in those days believed their powers to be God-like (much like today)...

How do you know that?



You know what's more logical to me? That they actually WERE gods.

[i am all i am]

For one thing, I have never said that the bible was folly.

Do you think it would be a good idea to quote the bible when we are discussing the contents of the bible ?

When paired opposites (RIGHT and WRONG) define your beliefs, your beliefs will imprison you.

There are many other colours apart from black and white. Have a look around you and you will see. If you choose to perceive anything as "all true or all false", that is your choice. By doing this you are merely creating an us and them scenario. Are you sure that this is what you desire to create ???

So then, you're a believer in the Bible?

You continue to make assumptions without understanding what is written.

I believe that such a thing as the bible exists.

Which particular bible are you talking about ???

Which meaning of which bible ???

Of course I think it would be a good idea to quote scripture when talking about it, however, if you believe:

your quote, "Jesus in the bible is a superstitous "fable", that is, made up story.", then how can you conclude that other aspects of the Bible are true?

You still continue to assume.

Once again, which interpretation of which bible ???

Also, I have not created an US vs. THEM scenario. That's just the way it is.

If that is what you believe, how can you believe in the trinity ???

HERE / IN BETWEEN / THERE, PAST / PRESENT / FUTURE, MIND / SOUL / BODY, ETC, ETC. Three aspects.

I can see all the colors just fine, but without black and white, colors would not exist, meaning that at the root of all things, black(wrong) and white(right) exist. Perhaps when you understand this, then you too will be able to see things the way they really are at the basic level of our reality.

If 'Paired opposites define your beliefs, then your beliefs will imprison you' why do you continue to be trapped in this, so-called Matrix?

I am here by choice.

How is it that you think that being here is a trap ???

Do you not believe that you have free will as the bible says ???

Why do you just not assend to the heavens and become One with your Oneness?

We are all one with the ONENESS. It is merely our awareness of this state of being that allows us to express and experience ONENESS individually.

Could it be that you really are 'trapped' here just like everybody else?

As you believe, for you shall it be.

You have free will to make your choice. If you choose to be trapped, so be it.

Why do you insist that "everybody else" is trapped ???

Have you met "everybody else" ???

Or is this merely another assumption.

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[james777]

TINMENACE;

your quote, "How do you know that?"

Well, I have spoken with many people in this forum and elsewhere who claim to be gods themselves.

[tinmenace]

That's them. I want to know how you know that "the rulers of the earth in those days believed their powers to be God-like (much like today)..."

[james777]

IAMALLIAM;

Oh boy, here we go again.................

yours,
"You continue to make assumptions without understanding what is written.

I believe that such a thing as the bible exists.

Which particular bible are you talking about ???

Which meaning of which bible ???

I'm not sure how asking a question becomes an assumption, but with you, I'm hardly surprised you feel that way. Of course you believe a 'such thing as the bible exists', you have claimed to read it cover to cover and you are quoting scripture from it. As for the last 2 questions above, I can now see the level of ignorance I'm dealing with here.


yours,"You still continue to assume.

Once again, which interpretation of which bible ???"

Common IAMALLIAM, are you really a dumb-ass or do you just not have the cognitive ability to have a truth seeking conversation? <-----A question, not an assumption.


yours,"If that is what you believe, how can you believe in the trinity ???"

I'm not sure where an US vs. THEM scenario fits into me believing or not believing in the trinity. OR, maybe I should ask, which translation and interpretation are you referring to?.....LOL


yours,"I am here by choice.

How is it that you think that being here is a trap ???

Do you not believe that you have free will as the bible says ???"

If you were really here by choice, which you're not, I would like you to tell me how you made that decision. Whether you like it or not or realize it or not, we are all trapped here in this realm. The only way out is death or you can wait until Christ's return. Obviously I believe in free will, I've indicated that in previous responses on other threads, what's your point anyways?


yours, "We are all one with the ONENESS. It is merely our awareness of this state of being that allows us to express and experience ONENESS individually."

Well thank you for clearing that up for me.


yours, "As you believe, for you shall it be.

You have free will to make your choice. If you choose to be trapped, so be it.

Why do you insist that "everybody else" is trapped ???

Have you met "everybody else" ???

Or is this merely another assumption."

Apparently this is an ill-attempt at assuming. I guess I'm the only human that can't transport from realm to realm or dimension to dimension. I guess I'm just not 'ONE' with the 'ONENESS'. <-----Sarcasm and Irony included....

[james777]

TINMENACE;

Oh, that's easy. If you read through the 'old testament' you'll notice on many occasions the description of man's heart, although I'll leave it for you to discover.

[i am all i am]

Wow, did that hit a nerve James777 ???

Direct insults.

Have you run out of points to make and are now relying on verbal insults ???

Do you think that Jesus would be happy with you ???

Matthew 25:40
"Verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye have done unto the least of these, my brethren, ye have done unto me."

Does this mean, that by attacking me, you have attacked Jesus ???

By attacking Jesus, do you go straight to Hell ???


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[tinmenace]

Yeah, look, let's not get personal when we get frustrated. If you can't prove your point, please don't stoop to personal insults.

It's totally not cool, it's frowned upon by forum administration, and it shows a lack of character and integrity. So, debate away as much as y'all want, it can get as heated as you want it to, but personal insults are a no-no.

[tinmenace]

TINMENACE;

Oh, that's easy. If you read through the 'old testament' you'll notice on many occasions the description of man's heart, although I'll leave it for you to discover.

A bit of a cop out in my opinion, but whatever...

[i am all i am]

For one thing, I have never said that the bible was folly.

Do you think it would be a good idea to quote the bible when we are discussing the contents of the bible ?

When paired opposites (RIGHT and WRONG) define your beliefs, your beliefs will imprison you.

There are many other colours apart from black and white. Have a look around you and you will see. If you choose to perceive anything as "all true or all false", that is your choice. By doing this you are merely creating an us and them scenario. Are you sure that this is what you desire to create ???

So then, you're a believer in the Bible?

You continue to make assumptions without understanding what is written.

I believe that such a thing as the bible exists.

Which particular bible are you talking about ???

Which meaning of which bible ???

Your reply: I'm not sure how asking a question becomes an assumption, but with you, I'm hardly surprised you feel that way. Of course you believe a 'such thing as the bible exists', you have claimed to read it cover to cover and you are quoting scripture from it. As for the last 2 questions above, I can now see the level of ignorance I'm dealing with here.

Do you realise that there is more than one version of the bible ???

Do you have access to the oldest known bible, the Mount Sinai Bible ???

Is the version that you have of the bible free from the mistakes and misinterpretations, over 14, 800, of todays current bibles ???

Of course I think it would be a good idea to quote scripture when talking about it, however, if you believe:

your quote, "Jesus in the bible is a superstitous "fable", that is, made up story.", then how can you conclude that other aspects of the Bible are true?

You still continue to assume.

Once again, which interpretation of which bible ???

Your reply: Common IAMALLIAM, are you really a dumb-ass or do you just not have the cognitive ability to have a truth seeking conversation? <-----A question, not an assumption.

Is an attempt at insulting all you have to say ???

What interpretation (meaning) of the bible, and whose interpretation (meaning), do you consider to be true ???

Also, I have not created an US vs. THEM scenario. That's just the way it is.

If that is what you believe, how can you believe in the trinity ???

HERE / IN BETWEEN / THERE, PAST / PRESENT / FUTURE, MIND / SOUL / BODY, ETC, ETC. Three aspects.

Your reply: I'm not sure where an US vs. THEM scenario fits into me believing or not believing in the trinity. OR, maybe I should ask, which translation and interpretation are you referring to?.....LOL

As you say it, for you shall it be. You are therefore unsure.

Here is the understanding for you. If all things come from the trinity, then all things are triune in nature, that is three aspects.

Does this help you to understand ???

I can see all the colors just fine, but without black and white, colors would not exist, meaning that at the root of all things, black(wrong) and white(right) exist. Perhaps when you understand this, then you too will be able to see things the way they really are at the basic level of our reality.

If 'Paired opposites define your beliefs, then your beliefs will imprison you' why do you continue to be trapped in this, so-called Matrix?

I am here by choice.

How is it that you think that being here is a trap ???

Do you not believe that you have free will as the bible says ???

Your reply: If you were really here by choice, which you're not, I would like you to tell me how you made that decision. Whether you like it or not or realize it or not, we are all trapped here in this realm. The only way out is death or you can wait until Christ's return. Obviously I believe in free will, I've indicated that in previous responses on other threads, what's your point anyways?

You are contradicting yourself. I am here by choice, I have free will. As do you and all others. If you have free will, that is choice, how can you be trapped ???

Why do you just not assend to the heavens and become One with your Oneness?

We are all one with the ONENESS. It is merely our awareness of this state of being that allows us to express and experience ONENESS individually.

Your reply: Well thank you for clearing that up for me.

You are welcome.

Could it be that you really are 'trapped' here just like everybody else?

As you believe, for you shall it be.

You have free will to make your choice. If you choose to be trapped, so be it.

Why do you insist that "everybody else" is trapped ???

Have you met "everybody else" ???

Or is this merely another assumption.

Your reply: Apparently this is an ill-attempt at assuming. I guess I'm the only human that can't transport from realm to realm or dimension to dimension. I guess I'm just not 'ONE' with the 'ONENESS'. <-----Sarcasm and Irony included....

If you can "transport from realm to realm or dimension to dimension", how can you say that you are trapped ???

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[21_12_2012]

We are all trapped...in a 3d world...limited by 3d rules...and our limited 2 strand DNA...its not oneness...far from it...that is much deeper...a place we do not access in this 'normal reality'.
Also, the paired opposite statement does not work either.
Whether we believe something is right or wrong, that does not make it actually moralistically right or moralistically wrong.
If someone tortured and shot an innocent person for no reason, is that moralistically right or wrong?
How can a moralistic belief imprison us? It can't...it just is moralistically wrong whether we believe it to be or not.

[i am all i am]

We are all trapped...in a 3d world...limited by 3d rules...and our limited 2 strand DNA...its not oneness...far from it...that is much deeper...a place we do not access in this 'normal reality'.
Also, the paired opposite statement does not work either.
Whether we believe something is right or wrong, that does not make it actually moralistically right or moralistically wrong.
If someone tortured and shot an innocent person for no reason, is that moralistically right or wrong?
How can a moralistic belief imprison us? It can't...it just is moralistically wrong whether we believe it to be or not.

MORAL: adj, concerned with right and wrong conduct.

A conduct is an act. What you have described is an act, or action. If you believe that you should not do something because it is wrong, you are no longer free to act out what you believe to be wrong, you are trapped by your morals.

Freedom is allowing yourself to act out everything. What describes who you are then, is the actions that you perform. You are neither right, nor wrong. You are merely free. You describe yourself by what you choose to do, or choose not to do.

So, when paired opposites define your beliefs, that is, right and wrong, your beliefs will imprison you, because you will be unable to act outside of that belief system of morals that you have chosen to follow.

Therefore, every act that you perform is an act of describing who you truly are, and this is the reason of every act that you perform. You are free to choose any act that you desire to describe WHO YOU ARE !!!

You are free and it is now your choice. How will you act to describe who you are ???


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[james777]

IAMALLIAM;

your quote, " If you believe that you should not do something because it is wrong, you are no longer free to act out what you believe to be wrong, you are trapped by your morals."

So, let's say theoretically, someone senslessly murders your mother, your wife, your gay lover, your child or whoever is close to you. Now, if the murderer was just exercising his choice to act out 'who he really is' and feels no moral guilt, are you then happy and in agreement with his decision? Or are you saddened that you've lost a loved one? But if you're saddened then your trapped by your decision to be sad instead of happy or if you're happy you're trapped by your decision to be happy??? HELLO, am I the only one that thinks this makes no sense? Are people afraid to be who they really are? Is that why this world is so fucked?

I just cannot understand the mentality of refusing to take responsibility for any action or thought that one may have or take.

your quote, "Is an attempt at insulting all you have to say ???

What interpretation (meaning) of the bible, and whose interpretation (meaning), do you consider to be true ??"

No, actually that is a truthful question, not an attempt at insulting. Turn down your level of sensitivity. If I wanted to insult you, I would choose, many, many other ways.

The same one that you're quoting scripture from.

your quote,"As you say it, for you shall it be. You are therefore unsure.

Here is the understanding for you. If all things come from the trinity, then all things are triune in nature, that is three aspects.

Does this help you to understand ???"

Well that is what I said, and you still haven't proven any points about the US vs. THEM scenario. What you say here about the trinity make no sense, especially coming from someone who believes in the 'ONENESS', have you ran out of answers and are now just blurting random thoughts that make less sense then what you usually say? Or do you actually feel that this makes sense?


your quote,"You are contradicting yourself. I am here by choice, I have free will. As do you and all others. If you have free will, that is choice, how can you be trapped ???"

Please point out where I've contradicted myself. Again, you are not here by choice, you were born here just like everyone else. You now have the ability to kill yourself at anytime and leave this place, but you still weren't put here by your own choice, it's only your choice to stay or to leave, so who's contradicting themselves really?

your quote,"If you can "transport from realm to realm or dimension to dimension", how can you say that you are trapped ??"

My point exactly! I'm glad we see eye to eye on this! I knew you would start to understand something at some point. Congratulations my friend!!!


21122012;

your quote, "We are all trapped...in a 3d world...limited by 3d rules...and our limited 2 strand DNA...its not oneness...far from it...that is much deeper...a place we do not access in this 'normal reality'.
Also, the paired opposite statement does not work either.
Whether we believe something is right or wrong, that does not make it actually moralistically right or moralistically wrong.
If someone tortured and shot an innocent person for no reason, is that moralistically right or wrong?
How can a moralistic belief imprison us? It can't...it just is moralistically wrong whether we believe it to be or not."

Thank you for making this point and thus restoring my faith in the human race. I was starting to think I'm the only one with any sense around here.

[james777]

TINMENACE;

your quote, "A bit of a cop out in my opinion, but whatever..."

Feel how you wish, but it's not my responsibility to point out things that you are unaware of. If it's really something serious to you then you'll take some time and look it up for yourself, but whatever...

[i am all i am]

Everything starts with thought, and consciousness is a massively powerful energy, especially when concentrated and focused.

By believing that the Antichrist exists, people are actually making him a reality. They are manifesting him with their thoughts.

They are convinced that because Revelations says that the Antichrist is coming, that it is the truth, and collectively they are making it a reality.

Is this another form of manipulation by the spiritually devoid reptilian loomies to manifest their ultimate demon to wreak havoc on the earth?

Does anyone recall what Arizona said about them using her to invoke demons because the reppies were unable to?

G'day Tinmenace.

My perspective is that we create with THOUGHT / WORD / ACTION, through MIND / SOUL / BODY, to create HERE / IN BETWEEN / THERE and PAST / PRESENT / FUTURE, with either (here is free will/choice) JOY / LOVE / TRUTH or PAIN / FEAR / LIES, so we can experince the ONENESS of who we are, INFINITE LOVE.

Do the people create the 'Gods', or do the 'Gods' create the people ???

Both. We create the 'God' that creates our enslavement, and we create ourselves as 'God' to choose freely.

Now if we add the belief that all is possible, then we are collectively choosing to co-create our experience, Devil, Anti-Chirist, God and Jesus, one and all, through MIND / SOUL / BODY with THOUGHT / WORD / ACTION.

YOUR EXPERIENCE

THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES,
IN THE LIFE YOU LIVE,
IT'S CHOSEN EXPERIENCES,
THAT YOUR SOUL DOES GIVE.

WITH THOUGHTS, WORDS AND ACTIONS,
YOU MAKE YOUR CHOICE KNOWN,
THROUGH INFINITE COMBINATIONS,
YOUR EXPERIENCE IS GROWN.

FOR FROM ALL THOUGHTS EVERYWHERE,
YOUR FATE IS DECIDED,
AND IN BETWEEN HERE AND THERE,
YOUR EXPERIENCE IS PROVIDED.

SO CHOOSE WITH CARE,
WHAT IT IS YOU SHARE,
AS IN BETWEEN HERE AND THERE,
IT'S YOUR SOUL THAT YOU BARE.



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[oneofmany]

G'day Tinmenace.

My perspective is that we create with THOUGHT / WORD / ACTION, through MIND / SOUL / BODY, to create HERE / IN BETWEEN / THERE and PAST / PRESENT / FUTURE, with either (here is free will/choice) JOY / LOVE / TRUTH or PAIN / FEAR / LIES, so we can experince the ONENESS of who we are, INFINITE LOVE.

Do the people create the 'Gods', or do the 'Gods' create the people ???

Both. We create the 'God' that creates our enslavement, and we create ourselves as 'God' to choose freely.

Now if we add the belief that all is possible, then we are collectively choosing to co-create our experience, Devil, Anti-Chirist, God and Jesus, one and all, through MIND / SOUL / BODY with THOUGHT / WORD / ACTION.

YOUR EXPERIENCE

THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES,
IN THE LIFE YOU LIVE,
IT'S CHOSEN EXPERIENCES,
THAT YOUR SOUL DOES GIVE.

WITH THOUGHTS, WORDS AND ACTIONS,
YOU MAKE YOUR CHOICE KNOWN,
THROUGH INFINITE COMBINATIONS,
YOUR EXPERIENCE IS GROWN.

FOR FROM ALL THOUGHTS EVERYWHERE,
YOUR FATE IS DECIDED,
AND IN BETWEEN HERE AND THERE,
YOUR EXPERIENCE IS PROVIDED.

SO CHOOSE WITH CARE,
WHAT IT IS YOU SHARE,
AS IN BETWEEN HERE AND THERE,
IT'S YOUR SOUL THAT YOU BARE.



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[i am all i am]

Well Put I am all I am :)

Thank you brother.


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[oneofmany]

Thank you brother.


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[21_12_2012]

MORAL: adj, concerned with right and wrong conduct.

A conduct is an act. What you have described is an act, or action. If you believe that you should not do something because it is wrong, you are no longer free to act out what you believe to be wrong, you are trapped by your morals.

So, if someone (for no reason at all) murdered a close family member of yours, do you think that would be morally right or would it be morally wrong?

Would you murder the person who murdered your family member? Or would you consider that to be morally wrong?

Freedom is allowing yourself to act out everything. What describes who you are then, is the actions that you perform. You are neither right, nor wrong. You are merely free. You describe yourself by what you choose to do, or choose not to do.

So this must mean (if you are as free from your 'paired opposites' as you claim to be) that you would allow yourself to commit murder and other acts considered to be morally wrong by almost the whole population, and consider yourself to be neither right or wrong by doing so.

So, when paired opposites define your beliefs, that is, right and wrong, your beliefs will imprison you, because you will be unable to act outside of that belief system of morals that you have chosen to follow.

So, do you have a belief system of morals? Or are you what the vast majority of the population would call 'unmoralistic'

Therefore, every act that you perform is an act of describing who you truly are, and this is the reason of every act that you perform. You are free to choose any act that you desire to describe WHO YOU ARE !!!

Do you consider yourself to be free to perform any act that you desire, to describe who you are (free from paired opposites as you say you are)?
Or do you actually have moral beliefs?

You are free and it is now your choice. How will you act to describe who you are ???

Morally, like every other decent person.

[21_12_2012]

21122012;

your quote, "We are all trapped...in a 3d world...limited by 3d rules...and our limited 2 strand DNA...its not oneness...far from it...that is much deeper...a place we do not access in this 'normal reality'.
Also, the paired opposite statement does not work either.
Whether we believe something is right or wrong, that does not make it actually moralistically right or moralistically wrong.
If someone tortured and shot an innocent person for no reason, is that moralistically right or wrong?
How can a moralistic belief imprison us? It can't...it just is moralistically wrong whether we believe it to be or not."

Thank you for making this point and thus restoring my faith in the human race. I was starting to think I'm the only one with any sense around here.

No problem mate, it is disheartening to see that other members of the forum choose to side-step the truth about morals, or genuinely have none themselves.
This whole "i am completely free from any kind of belief system" crap has gone way beyond ridiculousness....so has the "if that is your belief then that will become your reality" nonsense.

[i am all i am]

So, if someone (for no reason at all) murdered a close family member of yours, do you think that would be morally right or would it be morally wrong?

It would be an action.

Would you murder the person who murdered your family member? Or would you consider that to be morally wrong?

What would be the purpose of describing WHO I AM with this action ???

So this must mean (if you are as free from your 'paired opposites' as you claim to be) that you would allow yourself to commit murder and other acts considered to be morally wrong by almost the whole population, and consider yourself to be neither right or wrong by doing so.

Yes.

So, do you have a belief system of morals? Or are you what the vast majority of the population would call 'unmoralistic'

I believe that ALL is possible.

Do you consider yourself to be free to perform any act that you desire, to describe who you are (free from paired opposites as you say you are)?

Yes.

Or do you actually have moral beliefs?

I have choice.

Moralistically, like every other decent person.

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[21_12_2012]

So, if someone (for no reason at all) murdered a close family member of yours, do you think that would be morally right or would it be morally wrong?

It would be an action.

So, you are saying that it would not affect you morally in any way whatsoever? YES OR NO ?
Or should i ask the question in a different way:-
Would you consider it to be morally wrong...YES OR NO ?

Would you murder the person who murdered your family member? Or would you consider that to be morally wrong?

What would be the purpose of describing WHO I AM with this action ???

Another side-step...ok...would you murder than person...YES OR NO?
Would you consider murdering that person to be right or wrong based on your moral beliefs...YES OR NO...or
Do you not have any morals...YES OR NO?

So this must mean (if you are as free from your 'paired opposites' as you claim to be) that you would allow yourself to commit murder and other acts considered to be morally wrong by almost the whole population, and consider yourself to be neither right or wrong by doing so.

Yes.

Sounds like you have no morals then judging by that answer.

So, do you have a belief system of morals? Or are you what the vast majority of the population would call 'unmoralistic'

I believe that ALL is possible.

What kind of answer is that? A simple yes or no would suffice...Do you have a belief system of morals...YES OR NO?
Or are you what the vast majority of the population would call 'unmoralistic'...YES OR NO?

You believe that ALL is possible?....I'd like to see you levitate over here to the UK on your belief, let's see how 'possible' that is.

Do you consider yourself to be free to perform any act that you desire, to describe who you are (free from paired opposites as you say you are)?

Yes.

So you must consider yourself to be able to commit murder if you so desire, and be totally free from any kind of moral belief that what you did was wrong...that doesn't sound like a balanced loving human being to me.

Or do you actually have moral beliefs?

I have choice.

Again, instead of a side-step, a simple yes or no would suffice...
Do you actually have moral beliefs...YES OR NO?

[lottie]

Sorry to interrupt but i had to bring this to your attention, .....

Actually think about the word 'morality'...

Morality always means limitation and hypocracy.
Morality = you can't.
It denies a basic human right- the right to experience and to be who who and what we uniquely are. Morality sets out someone elses view of the 'perfect' human being and demands tht everyone conforms to that. Such morality requires an arrogance of genuine world class. Because no-one matches the blue-print of this perfect human (including and often the moraslist who makes the blueprint.) Because society gives a hard time to anyone falling below the standards set by the moralists, peopel put up the masks to to kid everyone they are living 'moral' lives even when they are not. It is a world of denial , fear, lies, hypocracy and secrecy. It need not be. It only happens because we fear what other peopel think of us and what other people think of us is conditioned by the few who decide the 'standards'.
(Taken from 'I am me i am free'.)

just remember while you are throwing moral ideals about that everyone has different moral 'blue-prints'. Whats a moral outrage to you mightnot be to me or someone else!

[i am all i am]

So, you are saying that it would not affect you morally in any way whatsoever? YES OR NO ?
Or should i ask the question in a different way:-
Would you consider it to be morally wrong...YES OR NO ?

I choose to respond outside of your limitations of yes and no. There is only judgement for self-expression, that is, would I choose to describe WHO I AM in this way.

Another side-step...ok...would you murder than person...YES OR NO?
Would you consider murdering that person to be right or wrong based on your moral beliefs...YES OR NO...or
Do you not have any morals...YES OR NO?

Agent Smith:
There is no escaping reason, no denying purpose, because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist.
- Matrix Reloaded.

Without reason, why would I do anything ???

Sounds like you have no morals then judging by that answer.

You are free to make your judgements, it is when you attempt to make them someone elses that you attempt to go agianst the free will of another.

What kind of answer is that? A simple yes or no would suffice...

My answer is my choice to make. It was my answer to your question.

Do you have a belief system of morals...YES OR NO?
Or are you what the vast majority of the population would call 'unmoralistic'...YES OR NO?

I have not asked the vast majority of the population this question. As I have not asked them, how would I know what they would say ???

You believe that ALL is possible?....I'd like to see you levitate over here to the UK on your belief, let's see how 'possible' that is.

Yes, I believe ALL is possible. And, no thank you. I lived in the U.K. for almost four years and I prefer to live in Australia. I am a ten to fiftenn minute walk to the beach. It is warm, sunny weather. I eat locally grown, or imported, orpanic food.

What would be the purpose for me to go to the U.K. ???

So you must consider yourself to be able to commit murder if you so desire, and be totally free from any kind of moral belief that what you did was wrong...that doesn't sound like a balanced loving human being to me.

I am soul having a human experience. The human genus, or family group, is of the physical body, I AM SOUL.

Again, instead of a side-step, a simple yes or no would suffice...
Do you actually have moral beliefs...YES OR NO?

Once again, I have choice, and that is my chosen answer.

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[james777]

Originally Posted by 21_12_2012
So, you are saying that it would not affect you morally in any way whatsoever? YES OR NO ?
Or should i ask the question in a different way:-
Would you consider it to be morally wrong...YES OR NO ?

I choose to respond outside of your limitations of yes and no. There is only judgement for self-expression, that is, would I choose to describe WHO I AM in this way.

Another side-step...ok...would you murder than person...YES OR NO?
Would you consider murdering that person to be right or wrong based on your moral beliefs...YES OR NO...or
Do you not have any morals...YES OR NO?

Quote:
Agent Smith:
There is no escaping reason, no denying purpose, because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist.
- Matrix Reloaded.
Without reason, why would I do anything ???

Sounds like you have no morals then judging by that answer.

You are free to make your judgements, it is when you attempt to make them someone elses that you attempt to go agianst the free will of another.

What kind of answer is that? A simple yes or no would suffice...

My answer is my choice to make. It was my answer to your question.

Do you have a belief system of morals...YES OR NO?
Or are you what the vast majority of the population would call 'unmoralistic'...YES OR NO?

I have not asked the vast majority of the population this question. As I have not asked them, how would I know what they would say ???

You believe that ALL is possible?....I'd like to see you levitate over here to the UK on your belief, let's see how 'possible' that is.

Yes, I believe ALL is possible. And, no thank you. I lived in the U.K. for almost four years and I prefer to live in Australia. I am a ten to fiftenn minute walk to the beach. It is warm, sunny weather. I eat locally grown, or imported, orpanic food.

What would be the purpose for me to go to the U.K. ???

So you must consider yourself to be able to commit murder if you so desire, and be totally free from any kind of moral belief that what you did was wrong...that doesn't sound like a balanced loving human being to me.

I am soul having a human experience. The human genus, or family group, is of the physical body, I AM SOUL.

Again, instead of a side-step, a simple yes or no would suffice...
Do you actually have moral beliefs...YES OR NO?

Once again, I have choice, and that is my chosen answer

WOW, the word clueless comes to mind. It's impossible to have any kind of good discussion or fruitful conversation with someone that doesn't believe anything. I mean when we have someone quoting sci-fi movies to try to prove a point, we then discover how out of tune, touch and reality this individual really is. When you continue chanting irrelevant sayings instead of answering direct questions with direct answers, that's just complete insanity! Oh by the way, if anyone is curious, I have choice, and this is my chosen answer..........lol.........."CLUELESS!!!!".............

[lumukanda]

james, we have stated before that you can debate until the cows come home, by all means, but the personal insults are not cool. please refrain from doing it in future, not only does it show a lack of respect for other people, but it does not reflect well on you either.

[james777]

LUMUKANDA;

james, we have stated before that you can debate until the cows come home, by all means, but the personal insults are not cool. please refrain from doing it in future, not only does it show a lack of respect for other people, but it does not reflect well on you either.

ok, thanks again for the warning, but I have not insulted anyone, so what's the message all about?

[21_12_2012]

Sorry to interrupt but i had to bring this to your attention, .....

Actually think about the word 'morality'...

Morality always means limitation and hypocracy.
Morality = you can't.

OK, so that means anyone who doesn't want to torture an innocent person is a hypocrite..fair enough...must be a world full of hypocrites.

Morality = I can't ?
Or does it = I won't because i know the difference between right and wrong because i have morals?

Do you consider yourself a hypocrite if you don't go and torture an innocent person? Or would you actually torture an innocent person?

Don't tell me....you are completely free from all kinds of belief, and morals, so it would be neither right or wrong to go and torture someone...i get ya.
Sounds all well and good doesn't it !

It denies a basic human right- the right to experience and to be who who and what we uniquely are.

A torturing murderer...yes that would be an experience wouldn't it...would you like to be a 'unique' torturing murderer? Or do you have morals?

Morality sets out someone elses view of the 'perfect' human being and demands tht everyone conforms to that.

Actually, no...we have personal morals (those of us with a sense of right and wrong...good and bad..)..what some would consider to be good moral, some do not...and some people (such as yourself from your post..and iamalliam) seem to think morals are a prison !

Such morality requires an arrogance of genuine world class. Because no-one matches the blue-print of this perfect human (including and often the moraslist who makes the blueprint.)

An arrogant 'non-torturer' with morals...sounds awful doesn't it ! Or what about an arrogant 'non-rapist' with morals...oh dear..what's the world coming to.

Because society gives a hard time to anyone falling below the standards set by the moralists, peopel put up the masks to to kid everyone they are living 'moral' lives even when they are not.

I think anybody with even the slightest sense of right or wrong..good or bad...would give a 'hard time' (express disgust) towards someone who does not have morals and tortures one of your family (even though you and iamalliam would refuse to admit that, unless you truly do have no morals)

It is a world of denial , fear, lies, hypocracy and secrecy. It need not be. It only happens because we fear what other peopel think of us and what other people think of us is conditioned by the few who decide the 'standards'.


And what about the 'many' who decide that torture is moralistically wrong?

just remember while you are throwing moral ideals about that everyone has different moral 'blue-prints'. Whats a moral outrage to you mightnot be to me or someone else!

So, is torture a moral outrage to you?

[lumukanda]

WOW, the word clueless comes to mind. It's impossible to have any kind of good discussion or fruitful conversation with someone that doesn't believe anything. I mean when we have someone quoting sci-fi movies to try to prove a point, we then discover how out of tune, touch and reality this individual really is. When you continue chanting irrelevant sayings instead of answering direct questions with direct answers, that's just complete insanity! Oh by the way, if anyone is curious, I have choice, and this is my chosen answer..........lol.........."CLUELESS!!!!"....... ......

not the biggest insult the world has ever seen, but still. it starts there, and before long it's just a free for all, as i said, debate the subject at hand, if you find it impossible to argue with someone, stop. plain and simple. obviously neither is learning anything from the experience.

[james777]

LUMUKANDA;

Quote:
"WOW, the word clueless comes to mind. It's impossible to have any kind of good discussion or fruitful conversation with someone that doesn't believe anything. I mean when we have someone quoting sci-fi movies to try to prove a point, we then discover how out of tune, touch and reality this individual really is. When you continue chanting irrelevant sayings instead of answering direct questions with direct answers, that's just complete insanity! Oh by the way, if anyone is curious, I have choice, and this is my chosen answer..........lol.........."CLUELESS!!!!"....... ......

not the biggest insult the world has ever seen, but still. it starts there, and before long it's just a free for all, as i said, debate the subject at hand, if you find it impossible to argue with someone, stop. plain and simple. obviously neither is learning anything from the experience"

My sincere apologies, I was just under the impression that we do not limit ourselves with the imprisonment of moralistic values...ie, insults. I was just exercising my choice and that was merely my chosen answer. I was nor right or wrong in doing so. If you choose to imprison yourself with those beliefs, that's your choice and your free will................'see how easy it is to side-step everything".....

[21_12_2012]

So, you are saying that it would not affect you morally in any way whatsoever? YES OR NO ?
Or should i ask the question in a different way:-
Would you consider it to be morally wrong...YES OR NO ?

I choose to respond outside of your limitations of yes and no. There is only judgement for self-expression, that is, would I choose to describe WHO I AM in this way.

Another side-step...ok...would you murder than person...YES OR NO?
Would you consider murdering that person to be right or wrong based on your moral beliefs...YES OR NO...or
Do you not have any morals...YES OR NO?


Quote:
Agent Smith:
There is no escaping reason, no denying purpose, because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist.
- Matrix Reloaded.

Without reason, why would I do anything ???

Sounds like you have no morals then judging by that answer.

You are free to make your judgements, it is when you attempt to make them someone elses that you attempt to go agianst the free will of another.
What kind of answer is that? A simple yes or no would suffice...

My answer is my choice to make. It was my answer to your question.

Do you have a belief system of morals...YES OR NO?
Or are you what the vast majority of the population would call 'unmoralistic'...YES OR NO?
I have not asked the vast majority of the population this question. As I have not asked them, how would I know what they would say ???

You believe that ALL is possible?....I'd like to see you levitate over here to the UK on your belief, let's see how 'possible' that is.

Yes, I believe ALL is possible. And, no thank you. I lived in the U.K. for almost four years and I prefer to live in Australia. I am a ten to fiftenn minute walk to the beach. It is warm, sunny weather. I eat locally grown, or imported, orpanic food.
What would be the purpose for me to go to the U.K. ???

So you must consider yourself to be able to commit murder if you so desire, and be totally free from any kind of moral belief that what you did was wrong...that doesn't sound like a balanced loving human being to me.

I am soul having a human experience. The human genus, or family group, is of the physical body, I AM SOUL.

Again, instead of a side-step, a simple yes or no would suffice...
Do you actually have moral beliefs...YES OR NO?

Once again, I have choice, and that is my chosen answer.

No point in writing anything more regarding this particular subject !
It's self-explanatory really.

Your evasive answers speak for themselves..side-stepping the issues is no way to respond to simple questions if you claim to know the answers, or do not have a fear of appearing to look stupid.

The truth is that you do not want to admit you have morals because it would make you appear to be a hypocrite on the forum...either that or you have no morals....End of subject !]

[bigus_dickus]

My sincere apologies, I was just under the impression that we do not limit ourselves with the imprisonment of moralistic values...ie, insults. I was just exercising my choice and that was merely my chosen answer. I was nor right or wrong in doing so. If you choose to imprison yourself with those beliefs, that's your choice and your free will................'see how easy it is to side-step everything".....

you know what, you are right.

but you are also wrong, in the sense that, morals are rules "for ones life" and forums have other rules that are not morals, but function the same way on keeping a forum stable.

therefore morals function is to keep a group of people, or a nation, or a (whatever) system working as it was designed and intended.

we invent these rules so we can co-exist harmoniously and co-operate.

but of course rules exist to be broken, if there is not acceptance of these rules by everyone, therefore you break some rules, you get banned. not from god, but from those who make the rules.

whose morals are those that we have? does someone provide them to us, or do we understand them since birth, or since our mind reaches the ability to understand concepts as morals?

animals have rules among themselves 'by natural instinct' as described by science, otherwise they wouldn't exist. do they own morals as well?

[james777]

BIGUSDICKUS;

quote
"you know what, you are right.

but you are also wrong, in the sense that, morals are rules "for ones life" and forums have other rules that are not morals, but function the same way on keeping a forum stable.


therefore morals function is to keep a group of people, or a nation, or a (whatever) system working as it was designed and intended.

we invent these rules so we can co-exist harmoniously and co-operate.

but of course rules exist to be broken, if there is not acceptance of these rules by everyone, therefore you break some rules, you get banned. not from god, but from those who make the rules.

whose morals are those that we have? does someone provide them to us, or do we understand them since birth, or since our mind reaches the ability to understand concepts as morals?

animals have rules among themselves 'by natural instinct' as described by science, otherwise they wouldn't exist. do they own morals as well?"

I see your point, but it seems as if the rules are based on 'morals'. You are correct in a lot of what you say here. I can only speak for myself when it comes to ''whose morals are those that we have? does someone provide them to us, or do we understand them since birth, or since our mind reaches the ability to understand concepts as morals?" I personally try to align my morals and values with those of the teachings of Jesus Christ. He was one of the most knowledgeable people (hybrids) that ever existed. I can't say if animals have 'morals' or not, but they do become good teachers when we see how they operate without using free-will.

[bigus_dickus]

I see your point, but it seems as if the rules are based on 'morals'. You are correct in a lot of what you say here. I can only speak for myself when it comes to ''whose morals are those that we have? does someone provide them to us, or do we understand them since birth, or since our mind reaches the ability to understand concepts as morals?" I personally try to align my morals and values with those of the teachings of Jesus Christ. He was one of the most knowledgeable people (hybrids) that ever existed. I can't say if animals have 'morals' or not, but they do become good teachers when we see how they operate without using free-will.

and you are doing the right thing, but it's not jesus christ. i mean, it is of course, but it is the spirit and not the image. it is love, in its purest form.

all that is, is pure love, with no limits.

the same with animals and everything else. only they know who they are and they know their place. we.... are looking for ourselves in a mirror :)

[i am all i am]

No point in writing anything more regarding this particular subject !
It's self-explanatory really.

Your evasive answers speak for themselves..side-stepping the issues is no way to respond to simple questions if you claim to know the answers, or do not have a fear of appearing to look stupid.

The truth is that you do not want to admit you have morals because it would make you appear to be a hypocrite on the forum...either that or you have no morals....End of subject !]

Because I have a different perspective than what you do and you do not understand the responses that I give, how does that make your judgement "The truth" ???

Why are you so concerned about how I appear to the forum ???

Is there some criteria that you have that you judge everybody with ???

Are we all supposed to fit into your criteria on this forum ???

Is there some sort of punishment if we do not fit your criteria ???

Freedom to express is what we all have. How each individual chooses to express themselves is their choice. You have the freedom to respond in any way that you choose.





WITHIN SOCIETY



WHO MADE ALL THE LAWS ?
TO CONTROL A WILL THAT'S FREE,
WHO BUILT ALL THE FLAWS ?
WITHIN SOCIETY.

WHO GIVES FORTH THE CHOICES ?
TO LIMIT WHAT YOU SEE,
WHO ARE THE MORAL VOICES ?
WITHIN SOCIETY.

WHO IS PAYING THE PAYROLL ?
TO CREATE CHILD SLAVERY,
WHO IS IT THAT HAS CONTROL ?
WITHIN SOCIETY.

WHO I AM IS SOUL,
TO YOU FAMILY,
SPREADING LOVE IS MY GOAL,
WITHIN SOCIETY.



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[tinmenace]

I like the pink, sweetie. It's nice.

[i am all i am]

WOW, the word clueless comes to mind. It's impossible to have any kind of good discussion or fruitful conversation with someone that doesn't believe anything.

Until you have had a discussion with every individual "that doesn't believe anything", how do you know that it is impossible ???

I believe that ALL is possible.

Therefore, the only thing that can be impossible, is that there is something that is not possible.

My belief allows for you to create any possibilty for yourself. So in your experience, you are creating the possibility that it is possible to expeience yourself experiencing something impossible. So, if the word "clueless comes to mind", maybe it was a message for you to understand about yourself. ALL is possible.

I mean when we have someone quoting sci-fi movies to try to prove a point, we then discover how out of tune, touch and reality this individual really is.

"Do, or do not. There is no try." - Yoda, Empire Strikes Back.

"To be, or not to be, that is the question." - William Shake-speare.

Is knowledge of any less value because of the messenger ???

What reasoning is used to dismiss something because of the 'medium' that it comes through ???

Do you judge the information in the same manner where you are the 'medium' for Jesus ???

When you continue chanting irrelevant sayings instead of answering direct questions with direct answers, that's just complete insanity! Oh by the way, if anyone is curious, I have choice, and this is my chosen answer..........lol.........."CLUELESS!!!!".............

Who chose your answer ???

Was it you, or was it Jesus ???

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[tru3]

LUMUKANDA;

Genesis 1 v 26
Quote:
26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."

Genesis 3 v 22
Quote:
22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever"

Genesis 11 v 7:
Quote:
7 Come, let us go down, and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

Isaiah 6 v 8
Quote:
And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" Then I said, "Here am I! Send me."


Although you bring up some very exquisite points, definitely worth researching further, we cannot just 'assume' that he is talking to other gods. It is never clear 'who' he is speaking to and one's perception can lead him down many different avenues of explanation.


BIGUSDICKUS;

I must say, I appreciate your thirst and hunger for knowledge. I appreciate your balanced and honest inquiries. Unfortunetely people in your past have not been able to digest the level of your intellect and therefore, "all they wanted was me to believe a dogma that does not make any sense."
As I haven't enough time right now, but soon I will delve into this topic with you in desire to bring about some culmination, because I too have inquisition on this topic.

two huge sky-high fives to b.d. and lumu! :)

well played, lads, well played.

[tru3]

What I recall her saying that the reps couldn't do (and she could) was the ability to move into dimensions beyond the fourth.

Evidently the reps are mostly stuck in the fourth dimension but can move into the 3rd (our) dimension under some circumstances. But, they can't go higher than the fourth and we (humans) can.

graflok


i feel this is quite probable. i have found more than one account that claims most of the damage done in atlantis was due to the failed efforts to construct an artificial energy body, which humans are naturally born with due not only to the structure of dna, but also the emtional body, which the reps don't have. the emotional body is the fuel that drives the engine, if you will.

the philadelphia and to some extent the montauk experiments were linked to this as well.

[james777]

IAMALLIAM;

Originally Posted by james777
WOW, the word clueless comes to mind. It's impossible to have any kind of good discussion or fruitful conversation with someone that doesn't believe anything.

Until you have had a discussion with every individual "that doesn't believe anything", how do you know that it is impossible ???

I believe that ALL is possible.

Therefore, the only thing that can be impossible, is that there is something that is not possible.

My belief allows for you to create any possibilty for yourself. So in your experience, you are creating the possibility that it is possible to expeience yourself experiencing something impossible. So, if the word "clueless comes to mind", maybe it was a message for you to understand about yourself. ALL is possible.

Thank you for proving my point even further!


"Do, or do not. There is no try." - Yoda, Empire Strikes Back.

"To be, or not to be, that is the question." - William Shake-speare.

Is knowledge of any less value because of the messenger ???

What reasoning is used to dismiss something because of the 'medium' that it comes through ???

Do you judge the information in the same manner where you are the 'medium' for Jesus ?

I never said it was less or more valuable, it just let's me know the level you're coming from. As a matter of fact I do check the source when information is being spewed. Test everything!

Who chose your answer ???

Was it you, or was it Jesus ???

It was me. Who chose your questioning? Morpheus??

[i am all i am]

Why are there so may versions of the 'same' book ???

Is one of them the 'right' version and all the rest 'wrong' ???

Who wrote them, and why is their version 'right' or 'wrong' ???

Or are they all the 'Word of God' ???

American Standard Version (ASV)
Amplified Bible
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
English Standard Version (ESV)
English Standard Version ™
Good News Translation (GNT)
God's Word Bible
International Standard Version (ISV)
John Darby's New Translation
King James Version (KJV)
The New King James Version (NKJV)
Literal Translation Version [Green] (LITV)
New American Bible (NAB)
New American Standard (NASB)
New Century Version (NCV)
New English Bible (NEB)
New English Translation™ (NET)
The New International Version (NIV)
New Jerusalem Bible
New King James Version (NKJV)
New Life Version (NLV)
New Living Translation (NLT)
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
Modern King James Version [Green's Translation] (MKJV)
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
Revised Young's Literal Translation (RYLT)
Rotherham's
The Living Bible (LB)
The Message
Today's English Version (TEV)
Today's New International Version (TNIV)
Transparent English Version
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
Weymouth New Testament Translation



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[phoenix1]

For your edification, ELOHIM is the plural word of God, and therefore means GODS.

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Yep Eloi bieng the singular .

I like the Bushby angle but I still aint read it all. I thing GOD is a personage (In the Bible) Thats to say NOT the ALL as in THE INFINITE ALL.

This I have drawn from reading The Emerald Tablets of Thoth (The Atlantean)

Many times.. its simple and on the money anf only 60 pages of A4
http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/freebook/thoth/thothtoc.html

ALL THE LOVE DUDE

A:) :)

[i am all i am]

Yep Eloi bieng the singular .

I like the Bushby angle but I still aint read it all. I thing GOD is a personage (In the Bible) Thats to say NOT the ALL as in THE INFINITE ALL.

This I have drawn from reading The Emerald Tablets of Thoth (The Atlantean)

Many times.. its simple and on the money anf only 60 pages of A4
http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/freebook/thoth/thothtoc.html

ALL THE LOVE DUDE

A:) :)

G'day Phoenix.

Thanks for the link brother.

I definitely agree that the God in the Bible is not ALL THAT IS and is an individuated aspect, or personailty.

Bushy shows a different understanding and has many interesting pieces of knowledge to share. He spent 12 years, full-time, researching 'The Bible Fraud', and it is well resourced.

'The Secret in the Bible' draws together a lot of information in a well structured presentation that is easily understood. I think that you will love the final part of the book brother.


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[B][COLOR="Magenta"]Because I have a different perspective than what you do and you do not understand the responses that I give, how does that make your judgement "The truth" ???

I understand perfectly the responses you have given...side-stepping and avoiding the issues are your responses.
I do not have to make a judgement on what is the truth, the truth is self-evident....namely (as i stated):-
Either:-
You do in fact have morals by which you live (which you do not admit to having), or you have no morals at all (which you also do not admit to)....either way, you refuse to admit to either of these for fear of appearing to come across as hypocritical....that's not me judging what is truth....that is a self-evident, obvious truth.

Why are you so concerned about how I appear to the forum ???

I am not concerned in the slightest ! In fact it is quite entertaining !
Although it appears that you are concerned, due to the fact that you refuse to admit you do or do not have morals.

Is there some criteria that you have that you judge everybody with ???

I'm not judging, I was asking you to admit whether you did or did not have morals, which you refused to admit eitherway.
It is you who judges, even with your statement about 'paired opposites' making a person imprisoned.

Are we all supposed to fit into your criteria on this forum ???

I have to give it to you, you do insist on attempting to turn things around don't you ! The whole issue is whether you have morals or not...which you continually refuse to answer....if you want to refer to me asking if someone has any morals whatsoever as me 'wanting people to fit into my criteria', well, that's yet another cop out from answering the question !

Is there some sort of punishment if we do not fit your criteria ???

Same as above.

Freedom to express is what we all have. How each individual chooses to express themselves is their choice. You have the freedom to respond in any way that you choose.

Yes, some people are free enough to admit the truth of either having morals or not having morals, whereas you obviously aren't that 'free' yet.
Or is it that you are in fear of expressing the true answer to the question?

[i am all i am]

I understand perfectly the responses you have given...side-stepping and avoiding the issues are your responses.
I do not have to make a judgement on what is the truth, the truth is self-evident....namely (as i stated):-
Either:-
You do in fact have morals by which you live (which you do not admit to having), or you have no morals at all (which you also do not admit to)....either way, you refuse to admit to either of these for fear of appearing to come across as hypocritical....that's not me judging what is truth....that is a self-evident, obvious truth.

So, do you have a belief system of morals? Or are you what the vast majority of the population would call 'unmoralistic'

I believe that ALL is possible.


I am not concerned in the slightest ! In fact it is quite entertaining !
Although it appears that you are concerned, due to the fact that you refuse to admit you do or do not have morals.

So, do you have a belief system of morals? Or are you what the vast majority of the population would call 'unmoralistic'

I believe that ALL is possible.

I'm not judging, I was asking you to admit whether you did or did not have morals, which you refused to admit eitherway.
It is you who judges, even with your statement about 'paired opposites' making a person imprisoned.

So, do you have a belief system of morals? Or are you what the vast majority of the population would call 'unmoralistic'

I believe that ALL is possible.

I have to give it to you, you do insist on attempting to turn things around don't you ! The whole issue is whether you have morals or not...which you continually refuse to answer....if you want to refer to me asking if someone has any morals whatsoever as me 'wanting people to fit into my criteria', well, that's yet another cop out from answering the question !

So, do you have a belief system of morals? Or are you what the vast majority of the population would call 'unmoralistic'

I believe that ALL is possible.

Same as above.

Yes, some people are free enough to admit the truth of either having morals or not having morals, whereas you obviously aren't that 'free' yet.
Or is it that you are in fear of expressing the true answer to the question?

So, do you have a belief system of morals? Or are you what the vast majority of the population would call 'unmoralistic'

I believe that ALL is possible.

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[phoenix1]

I definitely agree that the God in the Bible is not ALL THAT IS and is an individuated aspect, or personailty.

Bushy shows a different understanding and has many interesting pieces of knowledge to share. He spent 12 years, full-time, researching 'The Bible Fraud', and it is well resourced.

'The Secret in the Bible' draws together a lot of information in a well structured presentation that is easily understood. I think that you will love the final part of the book brother.


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G'day M Yeah His Bibliography is massive, Glad ya like the link dude. I Think this Jealous God, is the negative ALL THROUGH the Bible.A contrived mess that it is LOL.

A GOD like that I dont need lol, There is Only the ALL in all its simplicity, and complexity ,I think the BIGGEST SECRETS are simplistic in nature.

The Creator in my oppinion or creators even. I think are the ones who have "fashioned Mankind" Certainly an Intervention in "History" Eons past.

I wish you could have seen the Khufu Machine thread I stared on the Olf forum , it ran 50 pages or more, and that was unheard of there in Esoteric Section, mosy getting a page or 2 at best. We ran with it for over a year, And all involved learned a lot on that one.

(sorry off topic mods) Maybe a new thread there the Elohim ?

ALL THE LOVE BRO

A

[i am all i am]

G'day M Yeah His Bibliography is massive, Glad ya like the link dude. I Think this Jealous God, is the negative ALL THROUGH the Bible.A contrived mess that it is LOL.

A GOD like that I dont need lol, There is Only the ALL in all its simplicity, and complexity , I think the BIGGEST SECRETS are simplistic in nature.

The Creator in my oppinion or creators even. I think are the ones who have "fashioned Mankind" Certainly an Intervention in "History" Eons past.

I wish you could have seen the Khufu Machine thread I stared on the Olf forum , it ran 50 pages or more, and that was unheard of there in Esoteric Section, mosy getting a page or 2 at best. We ran with it for over a year, And all involved learned a lot on that one.

(sorry off topic mods) Maybe a new thread there the Elohim ?

ALL THE LOVE BRO

A

G'day brother.

Yeah, the giving of free will and then the Ten Commandments are opposing ideas.

How do you have free will if you have to follow Comandements ???

The God in the Bible appears to be schizophrenic !!!

I love this quote.....

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

- Sir Stephen Henry Roberts (1901-1971)


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So, do you have a belief system of morals? Or are you what the vast majority of the population would call 'unmoralistic'

I believe that ALL is possible.

So, do you have a belief system of morals? Or are you what the vast majority of the population would call 'unmoralistic'

I believe that ALL is possible.

So, do you have a belief system of morals? Or are you what the vast majority of the population would call 'unmoralistic'

I believe that ALL is possible.

So, do you have a belief system of morals? Or are you what the vast majority of the population would call 'unmoralistic'

I believe that ALL is possible.

Is there an evasive parrot round here, or does somebody not like answering direct questions ?

"We are all imprisoned by the 'paired opposites' of our moral beliefs....like it or not....although some people are in denial of this fact"
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[i am all i am]

[B]"We are all imprisoned by the 'paired opposites' of our moral beliefs....like it or not....although some people are in denial of this fact"
21_12_2012

If you are "imprisoned by the 'paired opposites' of" your "moral beliefs", why do you follow them ???

"like it or not", it is your choice.


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If you are "imprisoned by the 'paired opposites' of" your "moral beliefs", why do you follow them ???

"like it or not", it is your choice.

The same reason you follow your moral beliefs (but refuse to admit it)...and the same reason everybody else follows theirs....

Like it or not...we're all stuck with them !

[i am all i am]

The same reason you follow your moral beliefs (but refuse to admit it)...and the same reason everybody else follows theirs....

Like it or not...we're all stuck with them !

Maybe if I say this one more time for you, you may understand my perspective...

I believe ALL is possible.

How do you know what "eveybody else follows" ???

You are making a choice to follow moralistic beliefs. Any moment that you wish to be free of them, simply make a new choice.


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[james777]

IAMALLIAM;

your quote, Why are there so may versions of the 'same' book ???

Is one of them the 'right' version and all the rest 'wrong' ???

Who wrote them, and why is their version 'right' or 'wrong' ???

Or are they all the 'Word of God' ???

You're always missing the points because all you try to do is disprove what 'YOU' feel is not correct or maybe you really just don't understand. Despite the fact that there are so many versions of the Bible, there is truth in all of them. This is the NUMBER 1 reason why it's so important to have a 'personal' relationship with God, because 'He' gives 'discernment' and 'wisdom' to help us accurately decifer what's real and what's not, what's true and what's false. If you truly believe 'All Things Are Possible', then you would consider the 'facts'.

My question to you is this; If you ask someone a question and they give you the 'correct' answer in a language that you 'don't understand', then does that make the answer wrong?? Same thing with the Bible, just because 'you' don't 'understand' the different meanings of the different translations 'does not' mean others don't.......remember 'All Things Are Possible', so instead of just saying it, you should probally apply it to your own life, but let me guess, I'm just passing judgement therfore am trapped by my beliefs in paired opposites..........LOL

[21_12_2012]

Maybe if I say this one more time for you, you may understand my perspective...

I understand your perspective perfectly...you refuse to answer whether you have morals or not...so you continually side-step the question with meaningless fluff, instead of admitting the truth. (and that truth is that the human race actually do have morals, the vast majority of which are the same morals...you included)

I believe ALL is possible.

Well then, you must believe that it is possible for you to actually answer the question of :-

"do you have morals..yes or no"

How do you know what "eveybody else follows" ???

I know the vast majority (probably more than 99%) of the population wouldn't torture or kill an innocent person, based on their moral beliefs... you included (unadmittedly)

You are making a choice to follow moralistic beliefs. Any moment that you wish to be free of them, simply make a new choice.

Actually no, it is 'hardwired' into us...either into our DNA, or our 'souls'...choice doesn't come into it.
Could you make the choice of deciding to torture and kill an innocent person...thus changing your morals (which you still don't admit to having) ?

[21_12_2012]

If you truly believe 'All Things Are Possible', then you would consider the 'facts'.

He has missed out the 'get-out-clause' from his "I believe all things are possible"

Which is:-

"apart from me answering direct questions which will make me appear to be a hypocrite"

[i am all i am]

IAMALLIAM;

your quote, Why are there so may versions of the 'same' book ???

Is one of them the 'right' version and all the rest 'wrong' ???

Who wrote them, and why is their version 'right' or 'wrong' ???

Or are they all the 'Word of God' ???

You're always missing the points because all you try to do is disprove what 'YOU' feel is not correct or maybe you really just don't understand.

ALL is possible. There is no right and wrong, so there is nothing for me to prove or disprove. WHAT IS will be regardless of any description, approval or disproval, from anyone.

Despite the fact that there are so many versions of the Bible, there is truth in all of them. This is the NUMBER 1 reason why it's so important to have a 'personal' relationship with God, because 'He' gives 'discernment' and 'wisdom' to help us accurately decifer what's real and what's not, what's true and what's false. If you truly believe 'All Things Are Possible', then you would consider the 'facts'.

What is the point of the bible if you already have a relationship and converse with God ???

My question to you is this; If you ask someone a question and they give you the 'correct' answer in a language that you 'don't understand', then does that make the answer wrong??

There is no right and wrong answer. The answer given is merely the individual perspective of the one answering the question.

Same thing with the Bible, just because 'you' don't 'understand' the different meanings of the different translations 'does not' mean others don't.......remember 'All Things Are Possible', so instead of just saying it, you should probally apply it to your own life, but let me guess, I'm just passing judgement therfore am trapped by my beliefs in paired opposites..........LOL

What is the 'Word of God' ???

Or the translation, 'Verb of Gods' ???

Which of the previous questions did you answer ???


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[i am all i am]

I understand your perspective perfectly...you refuse to answer whether you have morals or not...so you continually side-step the question with meaningless fluff, instead of admitting the truth. (and that truth is that the human race actually do have morals, the vast majority of which are the same morals...you included)

I answered the question and you do not understand the answer.

If you do not consider yourself human, does this mean that you do not follow any moralistic code ???

Well then, you must believe that it is possible for you to actually answer the question of :-

"do you have morals..yes or no"

Not only is it possible, I already have answered it.

I know the vast majority (probably more than 99%) of the population wouldn't torture or kill an innocent person, based on their moral beliefs... you included (unadmittedly)

What do you base this upon ???

Would you consider domestic violence a form of torture ???

Would sex abuse be a form of torture ???

Would mental abuse be a form of torture ???

Would soldiers be included in the "vast majority" ???

Actually no, it is 'hardwired' into us...either into our DNA, or our 'souls'...choice doesn't come into it.

If you say that you do not know which it is "hardwired into", how do you know that choice does not come into it ???

Could you make the choice of deciding to torture and kill an innocent person...thus changing your morals (which you still don't admit to having) ?

Of course I could make that choice.

The fact that I do not choose to do so shows what I AM NOT.

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[james777]

IAMALLIAM;

your quote, Why are there so may versions of the 'same' book ???

Is one of them the 'right' version and all the rest 'wrong' ???

Who wrote them, and why is their version 'right' or 'wrong' ???

Or are they all the 'Word of God' ???

You're always missing the points because all you try to do is disprove what 'YOU' feel is not correct or maybe you really just don't understand.

ALL is possible. There is no right and wrong, so there is nothing for me to prove or disprove. WHAT IS will be regardless of any description, approval or disproval, from anyone.

Despite the fact that there are so many versions of the Bible, there is truth in all of them. This is the NUMBER 1 reason why it's so important to have a 'personal' relationship with God, because 'He' gives 'discernment' and 'wisdom' to help us accurately decifer what's real and what's not, what's true and what's false. If you truly believe 'All Things Are Possible', then you would consider the 'facts'.

What is the point of the bible if you already have a relationship and converse with God ???

My question to you is this; If you ask someone a question and they give you the 'correct' answer in a language that you 'don't understand', then does that make the answer wrong??

There is no right and wrong answer. The answer given is merely the individual perspective of the one answering the question.

Same thing with the Bible, just because 'you' don't 'understand' the different meanings of the different translations 'does not' mean others don't.......remember 'All Things Are Possible', so instead of just saying it, you should probally apply it to your own life, but let me guess, I'm just passing judgement therfore am trapped by my beliefs in paired opposites..........LOL
What is the 'Word of God' ???

Or the translation, 'Verb of Gods' ???

Which of the previous questions did you answer ???

LOL.......Wow, this must be exactly what it's like to talk to a programmed 'robot'......or wait........??

If you know all the answers, like you claim you do; "There is no right and wrong answer. The answer given is merely the individual perspective of the one answering the question", then just stop asking me anything at all. Of course there are right and wrong answers! Enough though, I've been down this road already, leading to no-where.

The 'point' of the Bible is for God/Jesus to reveal things...ie, wisdom...and to help us attain a better understanding of who 'He' is and what's 'His' purpose and how 'we' can live an abundant life. Why do you ask anyways, since 'you' already percieve that there are no 'right' or 'wrong' answers?

I can honestly say that if I had such a 'grim' outlook on life, like you, I would have killed myself long ago......

[i am all i am]

IAMALLIAM;

your quote, Why are there so may versions of the 'same' book ???

Is one of them the 'right' version and all the rest 'wrong' ???

Who wrote them, and why is their version 'right' or 'wrong' ???

Or are they all the 'Word of God' ???

What is the 'Word of God' ???

Or the translation, 'Verb of Gods' ???

Which of the previous questions did you answer ???

LOL.......Wow, this must be exactly what it's like to talk to a programmed 'robot'......or wait........??

If you know all the answers, like you claim you do; "There is no right and wrong answer. The answer given is merely the individual perspective of the one answering the question", then just stop asking me anything at all. Of course there are right and wrong answers! Enough though, I've been down this road already, leading to no-where.

The 'point' of the Bible is for God/Jesus to reveal things...ie, wisdom...and to help us attain a better understanding of who 'He' is and what's 'His' purpose and how 'we' can live an abundant life. Why do you ask anyways, since 'you' already percieve that there are no 'right' or 'wrong' answers?

I can honestly say that if I had such a 'grim' outlook on life, like you, I would have killed myself long ago......

Or it could have led to now-here !!!

Merely to gain your perspective.


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[james777]

IAMALLIAM;

your quote, "Or it could have led to now-here !!!

Merely to gain your perspective."

Okay, thanks......

[21_12_2012]

I answered the question and you do not understand the answer.

Since when does a simple yes or no answer to a simple yes or no question become "i believe ALL is possible" as a valid answer?

It's so simple..a child could understand it:-

"Do you have morals or not?...YES OR NO?"

If you do not consider yourself human, does this mean that you do not follow any moralistic code ???

'you' could never consider yourself 'not human'...obviously. So what does this fluff mean?

Well then, you must believe that it is possible for you to actually answer the question of :-

"do you have morals..yes or no"

Not only is it possible, I already have answered it.

I will (wearily) repeat myself again:-
Since when does a simple yes or no answer to a simple yes or no question become "i believe ALL is possible" as a valid answer?

I know the vast majority (probably more than 99%) of the population wouldn't torture or kill an innocent person, based on their moral beliefs... you included (unadmittedly)

What do you base this upon ??? Out of the hundreds (probably thousands) of people I have met and got to know, not one of them expressed a desire to torture an innocent person...it's obvious...have you ever met anyone who has expressed a desire to do this? (Youll probably answer back with "how do you know they wouldnt...they would hardly admit that"...but who cares...I'm the one making sense here)

Would you consider domestic violence a form of torture ???

Domestic violence is not a black or white situation...some of it will be provoked attacks from both males and females...that does not constitute an innocent being tortured does it..its provoked...although a percentage of it will be towards innocent victims..but what percentage of the whole human race is married? And what percentage of those couples suffer domestic violence? And what percentage of those are actually towards innocent victims? Not a great percentage of the 6 billion people on earth is it. Like i said, probably less than 1%. Plus, how many of those 'documented' cases would be false?

Would sex abuse be a form of torture ???

Yes it would, but what percentage of our 6 billion have been abused? And how many cases of those were false?

Would mental abuse be a form of torture ???

To some degree yes..but again, how many of those were against 'innocent' victims? And how many 'documented' cases would be false?

Would soldiers be included in the "vast majority" ???

The percentage of our 6 billion who are soldiers is minute..and the percentage of those soldiers who would torture an innocent would be minute.

Why do i always feel like you are clutching at straws when i reply to your posts? And why do i always feel that i am continually stating the obvious?

If you say that you do not know which it is "hardwired into", how do you know that choice does not come into it ???

Regardless of which it is hardwired into, it is (obviously) relevant to the vast (99% or more) percentage of the population, as i have proved above.

Could you make the choice of deciding to torture and kill an innocent person...thus changing your morals (which you still don't admit to having) ?

Of course I could make that choice.

The fact that I do not choose to do so shows what I AM NOT.

How do you know that you could make the choice of deciding to torture and kill an innocent person if you have never done it?

I will rephrase the question:-
"WOULD you make the choice of torturing and killing an innocent person?...if not, why not?"

[i am all i am]

Since when does a simple yes or no answer to a simple yes or no question become "i believe ALL is possible" as a valid answer?

It's so simple..a child could understand it:-

"Do you have morals or not?...YES OR NO?"

The original question that you asked was "So, do you have a belief system of morals ?"

The belief system that I have, I stated. ALL is possible.

'you' could never consider yourself 'not human'...obviously. So what does this fluff mean?

I am soul.

I will (wearily) repeat myself again:-
Since when does a simple yes or no answer to a simple yes or no question become "i believe ALL is possible" as a valid answer?

See above.

Out of the hundreds (probably thousands) of people I have met and got to know, not one of them expressed a desire to torture an innocent person..

Do you believe that children are born innocent ???

Everyone has been a child, so everyone has been innocent.

.it's obvious...have you ever met anyone who has expressed a desire to do this? (Youll probably answer back with "how do you know they wouldnt...they would hardly admit that"...but who cares...I'm the one making sense here)

Having been in the Police Force for two years, I can definitely answer that question with a yes.

Domestic violence is not a black or white situation...some of it will be provoked attacks from both males and females...that does not constitute an innocent being tortured does it..its provoked...although a percentage of it will be towards innocent victims..but what percentage of the whole human race is married? And what percentage of those couples suffer domestic violence? And what percentage of those are actually towards innocent victims? Not a great percentage of the 6 billion people on earth is it. Like i said, probably less than 1%. Plus, how many of those 'documented' cases would be false?

In January 1999 the UK Government’s Home Office published the results of a survey into domestic violence. It was the biggest ever carried out anywhere in the world and involved more than 10,000 men and women. It was called Study 191 and it stated, quite categorically, that 4.2% of men and 4.2% of women perpetrate the crime of domestic violence. In other words they had discovered that men and women are equally violent.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/verismo/dv.againstmen.html

http://www.batteredmen.com/

Domestic violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Yes it would, but what percentage of our 6 billion have been abused? And how many cases of those were false?

There are some statistics printed below to give you an understanding of what percentage.

To some degree yes..but again, how many of those were against 'innocent' victims? And how many 'documented' cases would be false?

Children are indoctrinated through the education system.

Would you consider that as a form of abuse ???

The percentage of our 6 billion who are soldiers is minute..and the percentage of those soldiers who would torture an innocent would be minute.

How many civilians would you consider not innocent that die as a result of war ???

Why do i always feel like you are clutching at straws when i reply to your posts? And why do i always feel that i am continually stating the obvious?

Regardless of which it is hardwired into, it is (obviously) relevant to the vast (99% or more) percentage of the population, as i have proved above.

If you do not know which one "moral behaviours" are "hardwired into", you do not know IF "moral behaviours" are even "hardwired into" either of, the DNA or the soul.

If you do not know, how can you dismiss choice ???

How do you know that you could make the choice of deciding to torture and kill an innocent person if you have never done it?

I will rephrase the question:-
"WOULD you make the choice of torturing and killing an innocent person?...if not, why not?"

Not at this moment.

Because it is a choice that I make to describe WHO I AM.

George Mason University Sexual Assault Services

Worldwide Sexual Assault Statistics

Sources (2005)
1. The World Bank. www.worldbank.org
2. “International Statistics.” www.sexualassault.virginia.edu/statistics_international.htm
3. United Nations Development Fund for Women. “Facts and Figures: Sexual Vio-lence in Non-Conflict Situations.” www.unifem.org/campaigns/november25/facts_figures_3.php
4. The World Health Organization. “Sexual Violence Facts.” www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention
5. United Nations Development Fund for Women. “Stop Violence against Women: Prevalence of Sexual Assault.” www.stopvaw.org/PrevalenceofSexualAssault.html or www.unifem.org
6. National Center for Victims of Crime (2004)
7. NSVRC. “Global perspectives on Sexual

• 1 out of 3 womenworldwide has experi-enced rape or sexualassault. (2001)1
• In some countries, up to one-third of adolescent girls report forced sex-ual initiation (2002)7
• One preliminary studyin eight different coun-tries found a 24.7 %rate of sexual violence in dating relationships(2001)5
• Studies show that 5-10percent of men report ahistory ofchildhood sexual abuse. (2002)7
• Hundreds of thousands of women and girls throughout the world are forcibly trafficked and prostituted eachyear. (2002)7
• A report of seven differ-ent countries found thatmore than 60% of sex-ual assault victimsknow their attackers.(2000)5
• A large number of sex-ual assault victims areless than age 15.(1997)5WorldwideAfrica
• In South Africa, a sex crime happens every twenty seconds.(2000)1
• Reported incidents ofrapes in 12 African provinces increasedfrom 182 in 2001 to270 in 2002. (2002)1Russia 14,000 of the 331,815 reported crimes commit-ted against women in the Russian Federation were rapes. (1993)5Canada23.3 % of women hadbeen victims of rape and attempted rape.(1997) 5South Pacific Among 95 women inter-viewed in Papua NewGuinea, about half of them said their hus-bands had forced them into sex. 1/3 of thoseforced said they had been beaten into sex,and 1/5 had been ma-nipulated into it bydrunken husbands.(1997)5 The following table represents the percent of women polled in a survey who replied they attempted to report they were forced into sex, broken down country. 4. Country Year Sample Size% forced into sex Brazil (Sao Paulo)2000 941 10.1 Canada (Toronto)1991-2 420 15.3 Japan (Yokohama)2000 1287 6.2 Mexico (Guadalajara)1996 650 23.0 Nicaragua (Leon)1993 360 21.7 Peru (Cuzco) 2000 1534 46.7 Thailand (Bangkok)2000 1051 29.9 UK (North London)1993 430 23.0 Zimbabwe (Midlands Province) 1996 699 25.0 North America 2003 198,850 40.0
•It is estimated that 1 in3 American women will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime.
•89% of sexual assaults are committed by some-one the victim knows.
•For every sexual assault reported to the police, 3to 10 go unreported.
•13% of males will be sexually assaulted dur-ing their lifetimes.
•In 2002, there were247,730 victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault.
• about 87,000 werevictims of completedrape
• 70,000 were victims of attempted rape
• Up to 4,315 pregnan-cies may have re-sulted from these attacks. United States
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• In a randomly selected study of nearly 1,200 ninth grade stu-dents in Geneva, Switzerland, 20% of girls revealed they hadexperienced at least one incident of sexual abuse.(2002)3
• In Bosnia and Herzegovina, alone, estimates of the numbersof women raped range from 10,000 to 60,000. (2000)4
• A survey in the United Kingdom found that 19.4 % of womenhad been victims of sexual violence. (2001)5
• 6 % of women reported having been sexually assaulted in the past five years in Tirana, Albania. (1997)5
• 2 % of women reported having been sexually assaulted in the past five years in Budapest, Hungary. (1996)5
• 4.8 % of women reported having been sexually assaulted inthe past five years in Diaulia, Kaunas, Klaipeda, Panevezys, and Vilnius in Lithuania. (1997)5
• 11.6 % of women in the Czech Republic reported experiencingforced sexual contact in their lifetime, and 3.4 % of thosewomen reported they had experienced forced sexual contact onmore than one occasion.(2000)5
• Over 20,000 Muslim women were known to be raped in Bosnia and Herzegovina during the Balkan War. (1997)5
• 25% of women polled in a Norwegian study who had livedwith an intimate partner had experienced physical and/or sex-ual abuse by their partner. (1991)2SUB I, Room 219 l &M / Fairfax Campus4400 University Dr. MS 2B2Fairfax, VA 22030GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY SEXUAL ASSAULTSERVICES
• 22% of foreign tourists came toCambodia for sex. (2000)1
• In a Cambodian Demographicsurvey, 31% of respondents saidwomen are not justified in refus-ing their husband sex for any of the reasons listed-recent child-birth, and knowledge that thehusband has HIV/AIDS. (2000)1
• 1 out of 3 women in Asia agreed with at least one reason to justify a husband beating his wife.(2001) 1
• Under Islamic Law, ordinances require women reporting rape toprovide a set number (4) of credi-ble male witnesses to verify the crime. Victims unable to providethese witnesses are often charged
• In South East Asia, 40% of girls are being sold into prostitution to feed their families. (2000)1
• Of the cases reported in Cambo-dia, 65% of the rape victims wereyounger than eighteen, and 12 % of the perpetrators were closely related by blood or marriage.(2001)1
• Of the 109 rapes and sexual as-sault cases investigated between January 1999 and March 2000 in Cambodia, only 51% were re-solved and closed. (2001)1
• An estimated 20,000-30,000 Viet-namese women are currently inCambodia as sex workers. (2002)1instead with adultery. (2000)3
• 22% of adult women in Seoul had been the victims of rape and at-tempted rape. (1997)5
• In Jakarta, Indonesia, city policerecorded 2,300 cases of sexualviolence against women in 1992, 3,200 cases 1993, and 2,000 in thefirst half of 1994. (1997)5
• 3.15 % of women reported having been sexually assaulted in the past five years in Ulaanbaatar and Zuunmod, Mongolia. (1996)5
• In Uttar Pradesh, India, about 2/3of 98 respondents reported being forced into sex by their husbands-about 1/3 of them by beatings.(2000)5Asia Phone:703-993-4364 Fax: 703-993-3685http://www.sexualassaultservices.gmu.edu Europe
• In Peru, 90 % of 12 to 16 year old girls giv-ing birth were pregnant from rape, and of-ten incest. (2001)3
• In Costa Rica, Peru and Uruguay, a rapist can go free under the Penal Code if he pro-poses to marry the victim and she consents.(2002)3
• 49 % of the 1,000 women surveyed in Sa-catepequez, Guatemala, have been physi-cally, sexually or emotionally abused, 75% by an intimate male partner. 2
• A statistical survey conducted in Netzahual-coyotl, Mexico found that one in threewomen had been victims of family violence; 20% report blows to the stomach during pregnancy. (1990)2.
• Island-wide random surveys of women in Barbados revealed that nearly 1/3 of respon-dents had been sexually abused during childhood or adolescence. (1991)2South America

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With LOVE.

[21_12_2012]

haha, and with that reply..i rest my case.
It's like getting blood out of a (very) simple, and (very) stubborn stone.

You may think you have a knack with words....but as I and everybody else reading this can see....it's merely side-stepping fluff, and hypocritical time-wasting.

I can see why you joined the police :)