Where I Think David Is Misleading Us

[edro9494]

i believe we must get rid of the controllers: bankers, bloodline families, zionists, and the secret societies.

I think we must throw these oppressors off by ANY MEANS NECESSARY

How convenient for the international bankers(predominantly jewish, it so happens) and world powers that we have researchers and leaders telling us that love is the way to get rid of the prison.

i'd propse that we threw these people off, again, by any means necessary before we try to sit on mountain tops cross-legged chanting and meditating. Once we get rid of the problem, implenting the solution will be much much easier and efficient.

Life has value and we are justified in self-defense against those who wish to control and enslave us. I'm sorry if you cannot conceive of this but it is vital that you try to understand this. it is important for us to think for ourselves instead of falling for another belief system.

Would you imagine or "believe away" someone who was raping you or one of your family members? Why are people like David Icke telling us the solution is one of inaction and "believing the Illuminati out of this world." Who really benefits from such a thing?

Our reality will never be in harmony while these people are here. Don't be naive, these people are bent on complete domination, they will leave nothing to chance. So should we leave nothing to chance! This is not a game.

David's "solutions" or proposals remind me alot of Timothy Leary's tune in and drop out messages. Question solutions that lead to people's inaction. Action and assertiveness on our part is the ONLY thing that has ever changed anything.

I find it funny that david recommends this and i find myself doubting this man, even after reading the biggest secret, children of the matrix, tales from the timeloop, infinite love, as well as seeing all of his presentations including freedom to fascism. We should be questioning Icke.

[bigus_dickus]

i believe we must get rid of the controllers: bankers, bloodline families, zionists, and the secret societies.

I think we must throw these oppressors off by ANY MEANS NECESSARY

any suggestions?

[tinmenace]

edro9494, how many of David's books have you read?

[infinitely free]

any suggestions?


thinking them out of existence is the only way :)

[i am all i am]

I'm sorry if you cannot conceive of this but it is vital that you try to understand this. it is important for us to think for ourselves instead of falling for another belief system.

G'day Edro9494. http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1805/waving2fd6.gif

In one sentence you tell me "it is vital that you try to understand this" an the next sentence that "it is important for us to think for ourselves". http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/170/tknowgv0.gif

Do you want me to listen to you or think for myself ??? http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/ape-scratch.gif

With LOVE.http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/621/peaceyf8.gif

[edro9494]

ive read everything since and including the biggest secret. and i have all his video presentations on my computer.

and heres the thing, i listen to people OTHER THAN Icke as well.

Throughout history the only effective way to throw off oppressors has involved self-defense.

Do people propose that we "Love them out of existence" once the military becomes the police and rules with brute force?

I think the individual in justified in anything that keeps his life.

and as ive said once we get rid of the problem then i have no problem with turning this prison into a paradise.

im warning that it is unwise to put all of our eggs into one basket with this "love" solution. It is beneficial for the powers that be to have a population that is not completely convinced of ridding them out of existence by any means necessary. They should not be allowed to continue, regardless.

[edro9494]

tinmenace, how does one that is not a paid intel disinfo agent accumulate over 1,200 posts in a period of 3 months? That translates into red-flag for me

[edro9494]

im a premier subscriber, im here by choice. i donate to icke because ive believed he is genuinely helping people. i mainly wanted to get his newsletters, mainly.

so dont try to shake your fingers at me, im trying to catalyze people into questioning where our "leaders/teachers" have gone wrong or could have possibly tricked us. you are naive to think every researcher is out there because he passionately loves the info and subject. there is great incentive for the other side to pay these people to lead us into cul-de-sacs, dead ends, and further organized, mass inaction.

[edro9494]

listening to does not imply wholesale belief, folks. im simply saying consider what i say, i dont care what you think of me.

i listen to president bush talk about the war in Iraq.

yet, i dont swallow a single piece of shit he spews.

[lumukanda]

tinmenace, how does one that is not a paid intel disinfo agent accumulate over 1,200 posts in a period of 3 months? That translates into red-flag for me

that is about the biggest stretch of logic i've seen in ages, lots of posts = disinfo agent.

there may come a time when we will need to physically fight back, but if there is a way to counter that, a way we never have to go there, i think we should go for it, i never want to lift my hand against anyone else, cos all that does is fuel more hate, more anger. :

"He who hunts monster must be careful he does not become a monster himself."

but you do make a valid point, one that people need to think about.

[i am all i am]

it is important for us to think for ourselves instead of falling for another belief system.

Would this be the same as falling for your belief system ???


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[i am all i am]

tinmenace, how does one that is not a paid intel disinfo agent accumulate over 1,200 posts in a period of 3 months? That translates into red-flag for me

As I have ove 1,200 posts, does this mean for you "That translates into red-flag for me", in regards to myself ???


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[i am all i am]

you are naive to think every researcher is out there because he passionately loves the info and subject.

Or it could be that you are naive to think that someone would think in absolutes, that is, "every researcher".


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[i am all i am]

Woops....that's three previous posts in ten minutes.....if I don't slow down I'll be thought of as a dis-info agent by some people......http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8351/rotflmaoke0.gif


With LOVE. http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/621/peaceyf8.gif

[i am all i am]

Whoah....that's four posts in thirteen minutes....if we multiply that over and hour that would be at least sixteen per hour.....at two hours a day that would make thirty two posts per day.....and over three months, ninety days, that would make 2,880 posts....what does this mean ??? Dis-information ???



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[i am all i am]

Five posts in seventeen minutes now.....I really should slow down before anyone suspects me.....http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8766/e2gz7.gif



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[mada88]

People miss understand what love is, it is the balance of all things, we live in an unbalanced world. Love is not sex or lust or fancying some hologram i mean one ;)
Aslong as we have the illuminati and the truth seekers we will have the matrix. One force playing off two puupets, pawns in the game where the point of the game is to make sure the game is still being played.

[james777]

Ya, I'm with you my friend. David is just another mind-controlled puppet and the solution he provides is just making us more and more complacent to the NWO, Illuminati and the rest of these governing factions. See he's allowed to give us information which is fact about our physical reality and of course we buy into it because there is so much deception that we are starved for truth. In turn he is building an army of confused complacent people who now not only know the truth about things, but accept it as uncontrolable. So as he is earning his 33rd Degree in the Mason's we are like sheep with slaughter in our future. How can we be so dumb as humans and accept this type of bullshit!! Think for yourselves people, the writings are on the wall and acient prophecy is truer by the day.

[i am all i am]

Ya, I'm with you my friend. David is just another mind-controlled puppet and the solution he provides is just making us more and more complacent to the NWO, Illuminati and the rest of these governing factions. See he's allowed to give us information which is fact about our physical reality and of course we buy into it because there is so much deception that we are starved for truth. In turn he is building an army of confused complacent people who now not only know the truth about things, but accept it as uncontrolable. So as he is earning his 33rd Degree in the Mason's we are like sheep with slaughter in our future. How can we be so dumb as humans and accept this type of bullshit!! Think for yourselves people, the writings are on the wall and acient prophecy is truer by the day.


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Yeah..."mind-controlled puppet"..."army of confused complacent people "...would that really be your christian brothers and sisters that you are talking about ???

Below is a quote of the thread that you started...and yet you haven't responded to the replies and come onto this thread and start hurling accusations.

Are you on a crusade to convert everyone here to believe in your christian bibles "acient prophecy" ???

Do you have any proof for anything that you are saying ???

Or is this merely speculation and accusation ???



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I know it's easy to get caught up in all the different perceptions and interpretations of religion, but we are all sitting here talking about things we just don't know about. You were born, I was born, we grew up, we were taught what we were taught and believe what we believe. There is great deception among us and few of us really have a clear and peaceful vision of the reality of reality. The human race was created for companionship for the creator of all things and their is an immediate danger for those of us who deny this. Satan is a duplicator. His purpose is to throw us (humans) off track by giving us all different scenarios, stories, religions and traps. The very things we read on this site about aliens genetically munipulating the human race so they can rule us is just one example of what I'm referring to. If you buy into that type of bullshit then the trap is supressing your mind, which by the way is the only thing that you have control over. It's time to stop feeding this machine of deception and take a stand for what is real and quit being pussies hiding behind theories derived of intellegentless minds. Fuck satan and fuck lies! Realize who you really are and understand there is a WAR for our souls and the only thing we have to do is accept the free gift of salvation from Jesus Christ which is Grace, and we'll be saved from this den of iniquity. Look for the signs of logic, for example, I could sit here and type about Muhommad, Buddha, Baal, Dagon, Thor all these obviously deceptive so-called saviours and you would all sit there and say, "hmmmmm, he does bring up some good points". But the second I mention Jesus Christ or God, suddenly you're angered and start throwing thoughtless and sensless accusations about I don't know what I'm talking about and how Jesus Christ was just a man, not the son of God, and then start going through all your brainwashed mental files trying to come up with reasons and ways for you to convince yourself that I'm wrong and I don't know what I'm saying, but in doing that, YOU're just proving my point further. All I'm saying is to STOP, breathe, listen to your inner soul, it's telling you the truth, you don't need books and thoughts of men and women that you know nothing about to help you determine truth. Knowlegde comes from within and gaining access to that will help you bypass all of this ridiculous shit that we all seem to be neck-deep in. God is waiting for you to turn the keys he has given you, so PLEASE, use YOUR intellect, it won't steer you wrong. I know you all love David Icke and even I've read his books, I'm with him on a lot of topics, but he also is trapped in his own brainwash and could use some understanding and enlightenment, be careful, because he just may be the deceptive shepard leading you to your own slaughter..................................God Bless

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DOGMA

DON'T TRY TO CONVINCE US,
OF YOUR FALSE IDEAL,
THERE ARE NO SEPARATE COLOURS,
YOUR DOGMA DOESN'T HEAL.

I WASN'T BORN TO WORK FOR YOU,
DON'T SELL ME YOUR IDEAL,
MY EXPERIENCE IS THE CLUE,
YOUR DOGMA DOESN'T HEAL.

I WASN'T BORN A SINNER,
YOUR RELIGION IS A SPIEL,
YOU SAY A LOSER NEEDS A WINNER,
YOUR DOGMA DOESN'T HEAL.

I HOPE ONE DAY TO HOLD YOUR HAND,
AND WATCH THE JOY ON YOUR FACE,
WHEN THE WORLD WILL UNDERSTAND,
WE ALL BELONG TO THE HUMAN RACE.



CHRISTIANITY

666, THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST,
ALL GOOD CHRISTIANS JOIN THE FEAST,
DENYING THE TRUTH THAT'S INSIDE,
SO THEIR ACTIONS THEY CAN HIDE.

THE CONVERSION OF ALL IS THEIR GOAL,
SO THEY CAN FEED UPON YOUR SOUL,
AND THE JOY OF LIFE BECOMES A COST,
FOR ALL IN FEAR TO BE LOST.

THE BLIND AND DEAF ALWAYS PREACH,
OF A PLACE THEY CANNOT REACH,
SO LISTEN CAREFULLY TO WHAT IS SAID,
FOR ALL GOOD CHRISTIANS WANT YOU DEAD.

BUT WHEN YOU SEE AND YOU HEAR,
ALL BECOMES PERFECTLY CLEAR,
FOR THEN IT IS THAT YOU WILL KNOW,
TO YOU LOVE WILL ALWAYS FLOW.


DON'T DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY

THIS IS THE MOTTO OF OUR DAY,
DON'T DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY,
FOR A PREACHER PREACHED UNTO ME,
THE SEPERATION OF ETERNITY.

HE CALLED ME WEAK, HE CALLED ME A SINNER,
THEN HE TOLD ME THERE IS ONLY ONE WINNER,
THE SON OF GOD, HE IS GOD INCARNATE,
AND MORTAL MANS DEATH WAS HIS FATE.

HE DIED ON A CROSS TO ABSOLVE ALL SIN,
AND ONLY THEN DID OUR LIVES BEGIN,
THIS IS THE TRUTH DON'T TURN AWAY,
DON'T DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY.

SO I ASKED A QUESTION TO BE SURE,
HE COULD SEE HIS STORY HAD A FLAW,
“IF ETERNAL GOD BE THE ONE HE BE,
HOW COULD DEATH BE HIS DESTINY ?”.

AND THEN HE TOLD ME HIS DEATH WAS A GIFT,
FOR THE SINS OF HUMANITY HE DID UPLIFT,
AND RESURRECTED TO SHOW THE PROOF,
THAT THIS STORY IS THE TRUTH.

AND AS HIS STORY PROVED HIS STORY,
HE SMILED AT ME WITH ALL GODS GLORY,
AND I LAUGHED AND SMILED TO SEE,
HE COULDN'T HIDE GOD INSIDE FROM ME.

NOW WITH WORDS HEARTFELT I DID SAY,
“THANK YOU FOR SHOWING ME GOD TODAY”,
THEN HE LOST HIS SMILE AND TURNED AWAY,
SAYING DON'T DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY.




With LOVE.

From the "religion" thread.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by awakensong Not to mention the fact that IN CONTEXT it says no illegitimate child was to enter "his temple"......
G'day Awakensong,

Would this mean, "IN CONTEXT", that as Mary was not legally married to the Holy Spirit or God, that Jesus was illegitimate, and therefore not allowed to enter the Kingdom of Heaven ???

With LOVE.

Jesus Christ is a False Messiah

According to Jesus’ admissions, as well as the Bible’s prophecies, Jesus of Nazareth could not have been the Messiah. This of course, would invalidate Christianity as we know it. The compilation presented here shall be split in three sections. The first shall be the biblical prophecies that were made in order to identify the messiah, which Jesus does not fulfill. The second shall be the prophecies that Christians use to say that Jesus was the Messiah, yet they clearly fail. The third set shall be the prophecies and statements Jesus made yet they are false and have never came true.

Prophecies to Identify the Messiah, Which Jesus Does Not Fulfill:

1) Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus (the messiah) would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us." Yet no one, not even his parents, call him Immanuel at any point in the bible.

2) The Messiah must be a physical descendant of David (Romans 1:3 & Acts 2:30). Yet, how could Jesus meet this requirement since his genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke 3 show he descended from David through Joseph, who was not his natural father because of the Virgin Birth. Hence, this prophecy could not have been fulfilled.

3) Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Yet there is no mention of this prophecy being fulfilled in the New Testament with the coming of Jesus, hence this is another Messiah prophecy not fulfilled.

http://www.evilbible.com/jesus_false.htm


With LOVE.

[premasai]

tinmenace, how does one that is not a paid intel disinfo agent accumulate over 1,200 posts in a period of 3 months? That translates into red-flag for me

Hahahah endo9494. I was accused by the person you talk about for spending too much time on this forum (I have posted 100 and a change for past couple of months - since I've been here).
You must know that on this forum you'll be judged by numer of David Icke's books you have read.
Number of things aboout David Icke concern me. One is how he talks about so called 'awakening'. Barely you can find there word 'God'. Infinite conciousness, unconditional love etc. - you'll find lots of this with David. It remainds me of GW Bush who talks about God, but never mentions his name, never says in detail what God he worships.
By the way, go to 'Awakening' on this forum and look what is there. Barely something and NEGATIVISM too.
And I know that David is telling lies. Suspect he does it on purpose. Why?
I have been listener to Spaceman show from www.640toronto.com for about 5 years He talks exactly the same stuff, Illuminati, NWO, does NOT touch Jews and Zionism, sometimes touches on Vatican. And you know what? Last Saturday I could not beliebve my ears!!! I heared 'Problem-Reaction-Solution' phrase coming out from Spaceman's mouth!!!! I HAVE NEVER HEARD THIS PHRASE FROM HIS MOUTH. It was only Icke who talked this way. Are they not starting talking the same language? Is it not the sam mind controll unit?
You'll find a lot of interesting stuff about Alex Jones here too.
I am wth you on that one.

[tinmenace]

I was accused by the person you talk about for spending too much time on this forum (I have posted 100 and a change for past couple of months - since I've been here).


And yet, here you are again. Since you're so against David Icke, what are you doing here? You post at least once a day but you lurk for hours. Why? Don't you want to be around like-minded people? People you have something in common with?

I think you're an energy leech, actually. I think you troll for negative vibes and then attach yourself to them and feed. You don't contribute anything, except your very public worship of the accused child-molester Sai Baba.

Which brings me back to why you're here...what are you doing here? You contribute nothing, you learn nothing...so what is your purpose here? What is your purpose in life?

[i am all i am]

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Swami has nothing to do with Internet...


From: http://www.sathyasaivictims.com/lie_dasaradiscourse.htm

Excerpts from this article below…….

"You should not indulge in such wrong activites"

"Swami has nothing to do with internet. Not only now, even in future also You should not indulge in such wrong activities."

Why are you here premasai, when as a devotee of sai baba, you are contradicting his teachings ???

It is a simple question !!!


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[premasai]

And yet, here you are again. Since you're so against David Icke, what are you doing here? You post at least once a day but you lurk for hours. Why? Don't you want to be around like-minded people? People you have something in common with?

I think you're an energy leech, actually. I think you troll for negative vibes and then attach yourself to them and feed. You don't contribute anything, except your very public worship of the accused child-molester Sai Baba.

Which brings me back to why you're here...what are you doing here? You contribute nothing, you learn nothing...so what is your purpose here? What is your purpose in life?

So you are the SPY here (almost 16 posts per day!!!). Contribute to what? Have not found much to contribute to. But I understand your goals. No critics, only David's worshipers allowed.
BUT AS YOU MUST HAVE NOTICED. THERE ARE MORE HERE WHO DO NOT TRUST ICKE AND I HAVE NOTICED MORE COMING.
ARE YOU PLANNING ON 'CRUSHING' THIS FORUM TOO? NICE IDEA TO GET RID OF ALL POSTS THAT CRITICIZE YOUR GOD.
GOOD LUCK AGAIN.
And one last thing. You know that truth sooner or later wins. Let us wait and see who Icke is going to turn into and who Sai Baba is.
You and your friends with cold blood lie (and repeat LIES) here. So is David. Some of them show signs of their abusive character too. This the ELITE of David Icke's forum.
Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[premasai]

And yet, here you are again. Since you're so against David Icke, what are you doing here? You post at least once a day but you lurk for hours. Why? Don't you want to be around like-minded people? People you have something in common with?

I think you're an energy leech, actually. I think you troll for negative vibes and then attach yourself to them and feed. You don't contribute anything, except your very public worship of the accused child-molester Sai Baba.

Which brings me back to why you're here...what are you doing here? You contribute nothing, you learn nothing...so what is your purpose here? What is your purpose in life?

Last thing. I am tired of discussion with you. No more answer from me. Staying here. Gonna kick me out?
What R U waiting for?

[i am all i am]

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[i am all i am]

Swami has nothing to do with Internet...


From: http://www.sathyasaivictims.com/lie_dasaradiscourse.htm

Excerpts from this article below…….

"You should not indulge in such wrong activites"

"Swami has nothing to do with internet. Not only now, even in future also You should not indulge in such wrong activities."

Why are you here premasai, when as a devotee of sai baba, you are contradicting his teachings ???

It is a simple question !!!


With LOVE. http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gif

P.S. - are you afraid to answer the question ??????

[tinmenace]

Last thing. I am tired of discussion with you. No more answer from me. Staying here. Gonna kick me out?
What R U waiting for?

Who said anything about kicking you out? Don't be paranoid, dearie, everyone is welcome here, even those without an apparent purpose. Which brings me back to why you're here. Why is that? Are you looking to fill a void in your life? Do you wish you knew how to feel completely fulfilled with your beliefs? Is there something lacking? Something missing?

Well, you're at the right place, because when you pick up "The Biggest Secret" and read it from cover to cover, just maybe you'll find the path that will lead you to complete spiritual fulfillment.

It starts with you. The first thing you must do is let go of your preconceived ideas, and just allow your higher self to take charge and guide you toward a higher truth. The more you hold onto the worship of a human deity and his teachings, the more you're doing yourself an injustice, because you're allowing SOMEONE ELSE to tell you how to think and behave. Someone else to lay down guidelines about what THEY think is the right path for you...

It's not up to anyone else. It's up to you. All you have to do is give yourself permission to break the chains that bind you so tightly. Walk away from the boundaries of the dogma you've chosen as your warden.

[phoenix1]

Who said anything about kicking you out? Don't be paranoid, dearie, everyone is welcome here, even those without an apparent purpose. Which brings me back to why you're here. Why is that? Are you looking to fill a void in your life? Do you wish you knew how to feel completely fulfilled with your beliefs? Is there something lacking? Something missing?

Well, you're at the right place, because when you pick up "The Biggest Secret" and read it from cover to cover, just maybe you'll find the path that will lead you to complete spiritual fulfillment.

It starts with you. The first thing you must do is let go of your preconceived ideas, and just allow your higher self to take charge and guide you toward a higher truth. The more you hold onto the worship of a human deity and his teachings, the more you're doing yourself an injustice, because you're allowing SOMEONE ELSE to tell you how to think and behave. Someone else to lay down guidelines about what THEY think is the right path for you...

It's not up to anyone else. It's up to you. All you have to do is give yourself permission to break the chains that bind you so tightly. Walk away from the boundaries of the dogma you've chosen as your warden.



Go for it Tin, tell it like it is.Dogma and Myopia = Contolled, restricted space.
Tin we both know dont we that this is so.

Blinkered = Fettered= Stagnant and locked...the other person here should take time to think is that really where he/she wants to be??

You cannot fly when you are fetterred and bound.
Period.

Take Tins advice and split the linK that is holding you ...give it all the focus you have.

Un-live their dream.....the nightmare they tried to create for us..and don't be afraid and bound by fear and paranoia either.

Muster the Mind.And go for the HIGH PATH. The ONLY path WORTHY of any Merit whatsoever.

Phoenix

....OH and buy the way the other person...Tinmenace rocks da house.;) ;) ;)

Know that Too

[pollock]

How convenient for the international bankers(predominantly jewish, it so happens) and world powers that we have researchers and leaders telling us that love is the way to get rid of the prison.


Hmm funny, I was thinking how convenient for them that they have researchers and leaders telling us that "any means necessary" is the way!

Would you imagine or "believe away" someone who was raping you or one of your family members?

No, but I can imagine "believeing away" the pain and trauma that action would cause in myself, and I do believe in something a lot bigger than what happens to our bodies!
Don't give me the naive crap now, Ive been there, I have loved ones and family who have suffered at the hands of others, I have even lost people dear to me because of others actions, I have myself been through a shitload of physical and emotional pain because of things others decided to do to me.
And I am vibrantly aware of the pain, physical and emotional, that people inflict on each other every day!
No, maybe the physical action can not be imagined away, but I know that if I give it no power over my soul it can only harm my body, and thats only a fraction of what I am.
I guess if your identity lies squarly in your physical and emotional being, pain would be the ultimate horror, but not for me.
If I am in control of what affects me emotionally, then I am in controll of everything in the physical realm, then nothing in it can harm me as I am not my body!

Thats how it works for me anyway
F

[lumukanda]

No, but I can imagine "believeing away" the pain and trauma that action would cause in myself, and I do believe in something a lot bigger than what happens to our bodies!
Don't give me the naive crap now, Ive been there, I have loved ones and family who have suffered at the hands of others, I have even lost people dear to me because of others actions, I have myself been through a shitload of physical and emotional pain because of things others decided to do to me.
And I am vibrantly aware of the pain, physical and emotional, that people inflict on each other every day!
No, maybe the physical action can not be imagined away, but I know that if I give it no power over my soul it can only harm my body, and thats only a fraction of what I am.
I guess if your identity lies squarly in your physical and emotional being, pain would be the ultimate horror, but not for me.
If I am in control of what affects me emotionally, then I am in controll of everything in the physical realm, then nothing in it can harm me as I am not my body!

Thats how it works for me anyway
F

very well said pollock, what we see is but a fraction of the person.

[paulski]

Over the last few weeks, I have read all the negative posts about David working for the illuminati, being an agent etc etc and one thing that all of these posts have in common they are written by people with very narrow mindsets who have their own beliefs to defend. If I had read the Biggest secret and thought that it was a pile of poo poo, I wouldn't have carried on reading anymore of David's work or watched presentations.


Nor Would I persistantly try to change people's ideas ala premasai with my belief system.

This is a forum for the sharing of ideas and perhaps agreeing on the things that we do believe and discussing the things that we don't. This is what makes us all individuals, surely.

I kinda figure that if David has touched you in any way, the place to be would be here. Let's move on from this David is an agent of the illuminati posts and look at the information that he's talking about.

[earthseed]

As I have ove 1,200 posts, does this mean for you "That translates into red-flag for me", in regards to myself ???


With LOVE. http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/621/peaceyf8.gif

Yep anyone who speaks is one of them. So everyone don't talk to each other! Wow, the editing and controlling never ceases. Sheep dogs never rest do they?

[earthseed]

Ya, I'm with you my friend. David is just another mind-controlled puppet and the solution he provides is just making us more and more complacent to the NWO, Illuminati and the rest of these governing factions. See he's allowed to give us information which is fact about our physical reality and of course we buy into it because there is so much deception that we are starved for truth. In turn he is building an army of confused complacent people who now not only know the truth about things, but accept it as uncontrolable. So as he is earning his 33rd Degree in the Mason's we are like sheep with slaughter in our future. How can we be so dumb as humans and accept this type of bullshit!! Think for yourselves people, the writings are on the wall and acient prophecy is truer by the day.

The only mind controlled puppets I'm seeing is people who sit on forums and bash David and people that are into his work by calling him and them a bunch of shills and agents. You are sheep dogs. That's all you are! And guess what we are not sheep. Shouldn't you being oppressing your children now or something? I dont' know what sheep dogs do but that's gotta be number 1 on the list. The more you tell me don't read this and don't listen to this person the more you reveal the game. That's who I will read and listen to.

[premasai]

Over the last few weeks, I have read all the negative posts about David working for the illuminati, being an agent etc etc and one thing that all of these posts have in common they are written by people with very narrow mindsets who have their own beliefs to defend. If I had read the Biggest secret and thought that it was a pile of poo poo, I wouldn't have carried on reading anymore of David's work or watched presentations.


Nor Would I persistantly try to change people's ideas ala premasai with my belief system.

This is a forum for the sharing of ideas and perhaps agreeing on the things that we do believe and discussing the things that we don't. This is what makes us all individuals, surely.

I kinda figure that if David has touched you in any way, the place to be would be here. Let's move on from this David is an agent of the illuminati posts and look at the information that he's talking about.


I have been in conspiracy stuff (including David Icke) for 5-6 years and I had only positive opinions anout David. This forum changed a lot. I should have known that I would find here his supporters mostly. Nevertheless I could not stay quiet when I saw that the guy was simply telling lies.
It is hard to say who David is, but I have my doubts and expressed them.
I am not going to continue on that unless I am asked for my oppinion. Truth will triumph and everybody will see (including me if I was wrong).

[maike]

I have been in conspiracy stuff (including David Icke) for 5-6 years and I had only positive opinions anout David. This forum changed a lot. I should have known that I would find here his supporters mostly. Nevertheless I could not stay quiet when I saw that the guy was simply telling lies.
It is hard to say who David is, but I have my doubts and expressed them.
I am not going to continue on that unless I am asked for my oppinion. Truth will triumph and everybody will see (including me if I was wrong).

Hello everybody, I just read through all the posts and I would like to know what premasai believes to be lies from David Icke. I am not against David Icke but neither am I obsessed with his or another person's belief and research. I think in general it is important that one has a certain amount of discernment regarding any information one gets. And even if there are information that are misleading or wrong I think that David Icke does a good job in empowering people. Before finding out about David Icke and other researchers like him, I had my own doubts about our so-called reality, thus I am not surprised or shockes, neither awakened by his information, but find it rather refreshing to see that there are other people thinking outside the box.

[tinmenace]

Good luck getting a straight answer!

[limelady]

I have been in conspiracy stuff (including David Icke) for 5-6 years and I had only positive opinions anout David. This forum changed a lot. I should have known that I would find here his supporters mostly. Nevertheless I could not stay quiet when I saw that the guy was simply telling lies.
It is hard to say who David is, but I have my doubts and expressed them.
I am not going to continue on that unless I am asked for my oppinion. Truth will triumph and everybody will see (including me if I was wrong).

premasai, we're heard you accusations, and now we're all waiting with baited-breath for you to explain to us the "lies" David tells, then supply proof for same.

If neither are forthcoming, then forum users will have little choice but to treat you like any other troll who lacks credibility.

Now please explain David Icke's "lies" (and supply the proof) so we all know EXACTLY what you're talking about, or cease posting this garbage!

[tinmenace]

Yeah, what Lime said.

[premasai]

premasai, we're heard you accusations, and now we're all waiting with baited-breath for you to explain to us the "lies" David tells, then supply proof for same.

If neither are forthcoming, then forum users will have little choice but to treat you like any other troll who lacks credibility.

Now please explain David Icke's "lies" (and supply the proof) so we all know EXACTLY what you're talking about, or cease posting this garbage!

Has anybody (including David Icke) provided any evidence (proof) about Sai Baba who supposedly is a sexuall assaulter and bad magician? Answer is: NO, NOBODY HAS!!!
It is not even about my belief in Sai Baba or not. There is plenty of evidence of what Sai Baba has done good and NO evidence (only accusations) of what He has done wrong.
If anyone (including David Icke) spent some time on reasearching on Sai Baba subject (without trying to believing anything) he wloud realize that those accusations are completly NONSENS!!! As has been proven David has not done. If he is not trying to lie on purpose then at least he has done poor job and repeated other's lies. This is not some minor stuff. IF Icke had been able to miss on THE MOST POWERFUL PERSON ON EATH then the question comes: HOW CREDIBLE IS HIS ALL OTHER WORK??? Big question mark from my side.
As a matter of fact there is plenty more evidence of what Baba has done then about what David work (I mean where does he take all this knowledge from). I know, he visited 40 countries, but did he really learn this from those trips? Go to his website, read what he writes about himself. 10-14 hours on computer every day. How much is it internet? Somebody already wrote on this forum that 80-90% info to disinfo.
And my intuition started telling me that it could not be the only lies.
I do not care what you think about I wrote. While you set mind to believe (or not believe) in something it is very hard to see some things, but I know one thing now: I DO NOT TRUST DAVID ICKE ANYMORE.

[tinmenace]

...THE MOST POWERFUL PERSON ON EATH...

Hello AGAIN,

Then why doesn't he stop the wars and the suffering?

[lumukanda]

Hello AGAIN,

Then why doesn't he stop the wars and the suffering?

...and slam dunk! answer that one buddy.

[paulski]

Has anybody (including David Icke) provided any evidence (proof) about Sai Baba who supposedly is a sexuall assaulter and bad magician? Answer is: NO, NOBODY HAS!!!

In fact they have premasai


http://saibabaexposed.blogspot.com/2006/08/sai-baba-sex-files.html

[premasai]

In fact they have premasai


http://saibabaexposed.blogspot.com/2006/08/sai-baba-sex-files.html

Accusation is not a PROOF. As a matter of fact you can prove only something that happened. And this is all Baba's critics problem. There is a group of disappointed devotees who decided to take revenge on Sai Baba. All they can do is accuse. They possibly can be paid to do so by Illuminati and others. This would make a lot of sense.
I wonder, if David Icke bases all his work on this kind of evidence (internet) then how much worth is what he does????
To be honest I am tired of repeating my arguments over and over. Watching those sites is not enaugh to verify the truth. If you guys (I mean Sai Baba's critics) refuse to do more research it is your own business. If you decide to choose ignorance it is fine with me. Only I would like to let you know that I am not going to repeat this stuff anymore. Anybody who is interested can find my oppinions in posts I posted here.
Best Wishes and Good Luck to Everyone.

Premasai

[tinmenace]

You still didn't answer my question (as usual). I see a pattern...:rolleyes:

You said:
...THE MOST POWERFUL PERSON ON EATH...


If Sai Baba is the most powerful person on eaRth, then why doesn't he stop the wars and suffering?

The reason you didn't answer is because he's NOT the most powerful person on eaRth. He's an accused pedophile, that used to 'manifest' oil and then rub it on young men's groins....against their will.

Whenever you force your will upon someone, you are committing the darkest form of magick. So, Sai Baba is actually a dark practitioner of evil, but hardly the most powerful person on eaRth.

[limelady]

Accusation is not a PROOF. As a matter of fact you can prove only something that happened. And this is all Baba's critics problem. There is a group of disappointed devotees who decided to take revenge on Sai Baba. All they can do is accuse. They possibly can be paid to do so by Illuminati and others. This would make a lot of sense.
I wonder, if David Icke bases all his work on this kind of evidence (internet) then how much worth is what he does????
To be honest I am tired of repeating my arguments over and over. Watching those sites is not enaugh to verify the truth. If you guys (I mean Sai Baba's critics) refuse to do more research it is your own business. If you decide to choose ignorance it is fine with me. Only I would like to let you know that I am not going to repeat this stuff anymore. Anybody who is interested can find my oppinions in posts I posted here.
Best Wishes and Good Luck to Everyone.

Premasai

Good luck to you too Premasai - you're sure going to need all the luck you can get if you've put all your eggs in the 'Sai Baba basket'.

You know, more than 100 pages of sworn affidavits from victims of sexual abuse from all over the world, (including minors), seems a tad more to me than just a few "disappointed devotees" trying to take revenge on poor, misunderstood ol Sai baby.

http://archive.salon.com/people/letters/2001/07/26/baba/

The fact that he has not already been 'done like a dogs dinner' and wound up in prison by now, tells me it's most likely because he's being protected by his Illuminati friends in high places.

But don't they always protect their stooges? Well at least until they have no further use for them anyway. I'm thinking this probably includes self-appointed pedophile gods who've been tasked with leadership positions in one of the many 'god programs' on offer out there.

You know what? Even if YOU personally are not in any imminent danger of having your god's greasy hands rubbing your privates, if I were you Premasai, I'd be bailing out of this situation as fast as I can......ending up with egg all over your face (from your Sai Baba egg basket) isn't likely to be a good look for you in the long run!

But unlike many of his young victims, at least you can NEVER say you were not warned.

[yinjing]

Premasai, if David Icke's lies about Sai Baba make all of his work untrustworthy then by the same logic what is the trustworthiness of a person who again and again has been caught on video performing simple tricks known to street and show magicians?

[tinmenace]

Dogma is a very powerful thing....

[loveemotion]

Wow... (speechleess for a moment)

What i have witnessed here.. is a battle of beliefs.

As i heard there will be a lot of false prophets regarding to our situation here.
Too many beliefs...
I believe that everyone who gives out information have something surprising in them.. i belief all of the people who write a book.. dont have all the truth in there.. maybe 50%-50% maybe all , maybe even less that we think.

A huge display of negative vibrations.

All we have to do is believe what you believe.. and you get to the place according what you deserve and believe.

Hello AGAIN,

Then why doesn't he stop the wars and the suffering?

Well simply no man can stop a war by himself.. i dont think we will agree to one believe, because so much crap been thrown at us, to confuse us.. I wouldnt be surprised if they go a name for it, somehting like Project Disinfo :D
Everything is possible.. but god sees i love you all.. and i hope you can deal with all of your love and pain... before its too late.
Love ya guys you are my family, dont forget ;)
LAL

[notaslave]

i believe we must get rid of the controllers: bankers, bloodline families, zionists, and the secret societies.

I think we must throw these oppressors off by ANY MEANS NECESSARY

Arent you tired of all the killing? "Any means necessary" I take it involves bloodshed. Its time to stop all that nonsense, dont you think?

And if Icke or anyone else for that matter start spouting any means necessary ... just how long do you think they would last. LOL Sorry, but wars and killling are their ways, the rest of us have to sit and wait for enough people to twig to that.

When they do, the bad people will just go. They will have lost their hold. Its all about critical mass.

[notaslave]

...not literatally sit and wait, one can join in anti-war protests etc, peaceful stuff, no harm in that.

[didgeylee]

Arent you tired of all the killing? "Any means necessary" I take it involves bloodshed. Its time to stop all that nonsense, dont you think?

And if Icke or anyone else for that matter start spouting any means necessary ... just how long do you think they would last. LOL Sorry, but wars and killling are their ways, the rest of us have to sit and wait for enough people to twig to that.

When they do, the bad people will just go. They will have lost their hold. Its all about critical mass.

HERE HERE WELL SAID!
its only a matter of time. i can see the horizon.

[LasseMaja]

To the thread creator:

You're on the right track. Continue questioning good questions.

I don't think David means that we all should be passive. What he means is that the most important thing is to break free yourself to start with. Then you're not a victim anymore. First after you helped yourself you can and will help others and take action. With love and a free mind comes creativity and spontaneity and people will be listening to you. This is where you'll make a different. The world changes one person at a time.


And to all of you on this forum that thinks that you can just wish the Illuminati away; get real! ;)

[celtic isis]

To the thread creator:

You're on the right track. Continue questioning good questions.

I don't think David means that we all should be passive. What he means is that the most important thing is to break free yourself to start with. Then you're not a victim anymore. First after you helped yourself you can and will help others and take action. With love and a free mind comes creativity and spontaneity and people will be listening to you. This is where you'll make a different. The world changes one person at a time.


And to all of you on this forum that thinks that you can just wish the Illuminati away; get real! ;)

Yep that's it dumle, i totally agree. :)

hehe there's no way we can wish the illuminati away, i do see how this world is an illusion in some ways, i haven't quite got to the point of seeing the whole thing as illusion, but it is true that we experience the world in our own minds...(good book on this every human being should read, though it has the worst title ever lol "You can be Happy no Matter What, by Richard Carlson). But like, we can't simply think, ok world is an llusion, illuminati are an illusion therefore we can power think them out of the way, or not think at all and they'll just disappear, not going to work. and they're much too evil, these are evil Fuckers lol, not good people like you and me who have goodness and concern for our fellow human beings in our hearts, they're just evil and don't care about sacrificing anyone to get to their goal.

But like, love bombing as one person put it, great idea but it won't work, the illuminati (or whatever you want to call them) they have the power, or at least they BELIEVE they do, and they do have the monopoly with control of the banks, government and implementing policies etc at the top of that dear old pyramid but we are bigger in number!!! It's only through waking up as much of the population as possible will we have a chance in stopping this NWO death sentance in the pipeline. At least that's the only way i can see it having a chance, and of course by making ourselves well and happy, then in turn we can help others.

[celtic isis]

i believe we must get rid of the controllers: bankers, bloodline families, zionists, and the secret societies.

I think we must throw these oppressors off by ANY MEANS NECESSARY

How convenient for the international bankers(predominantly jewish, it so happens) and world powers that we have researchers and leaders telling us that love is the way to get rid of the prison.

i'd propse that we threw these people off, again, by any means necessary before we try to sit on mountain tops cross-legged chanting and meditating. Once we get rid of the problem, implenting the solution will be much much easier and efficient.

Life has value and we are justified in self-defense against those who wish to control and enslave us. I'm sorry if you cannot conceive of this but it is vital that you try to understand this. it is important for us to think for ourselves instead of falling for another belief system.

Would you imagine or "believe away" someone who was raping you or one of your family members? Why are people like David Icke telling us the solution is one of inaction and "believing the Illuminati out of this world." Who really benefits from such a thing?

Our reality will never be in harmony while these people are here. Don't be naive, these people are bent on complete domination, they will leave nothing to chance. So should we leave nothing to chance! This is not a game.

David's "solutions" or proposals remind me alot of Timothy Leary's tune in and drop out messages. Question solutions that lead to people's inaction. Action and assertiveness on our part is the ONLY thing that has ever changed anything.

I find it funny that david recommends this and i find myself doubting this man, even after reading the biggest secret, children of the matrix, tales from the timeloop, infinite love, as well as seeing all of his presentations including freedom to fascism. We should be questioning Icke.

hi there edro :)

First off love your avatar, got that one myself, crazy isn't it!

ok, to answer a bit what you were saying there...i think all of us question icke cause well, you can't read the stuff he exposes (about the satanism, child abuse, rituals, sacrifices and the people who are involved) and then think oh 'love is the way to go'. LOL

But as Dumle put it, this isn't david's intention, and if it is, then it ain't going to wash with most of us, as i pointed out in my last post.

I really do think informing people who are oblivious and OBLIVIOUS is the right word, to the NWO for one thing, waking them up is the biggest hurdle cause it damn scares me to see how many people just haven't got a clue what's really going on!!!! :eek: Good people, who have no idea of the villians who are leading our world into a fascist state, people think ok been there done that (with the nazis...) that will never happen again..er no, it never ended, they merely just went into the shadows to continue the game plan leading to an even bigger end.

also, really, i don't know about getting rid of all secret socieities...look, i'm sure freemasonry is BAD at the top, by my OH is one and he's working for good even though i do take an active interest in what he studies etc and there's alot i don't ever know but i respect him and let him try it out. You know that the lower members have no idea of what's really going on, it's just the ones at the top or the inner circle who know the real deal. and like in freemasonry, the stuff they study everyone shoudl study, they are the esoteric truths and tools that set you free, of course then there's the weird initiation stuff and all but then it's only symbolism, just like jesus being crucified on the cross...it's all symbolism...

i don't agree with anything being done insecret mind, so of course, no secret societies would be a good thing but it's not the main problem...

I do commend you though for saying that we should not leave anythign to chance..of course, you're completely right, and it's so important to remain true to yourself and not follow anyone blindly, icke or whoever cause, it seems you can't trust anyone only yourself.

How do you think we can fight the NWO whole schbang edro? How can we get rid of all the ones responsible? i really think it's only by waking people up. We can't really fight them as such can we? Sad but true..everyone would need to stand together and refuse to play the game anymore.

BTW did you see gordon brown talking about the NWO in a speech? I saw it today and well, it freaked me out.

[celtic isis]

Hahahah endo9494. I was accused by the person you talk about for spending too much time on this forum (I have posted 100 and a change for past couple of months - since I've been here).
You must know that on this forum you'll be judged by numer of David Icke's books you have read.
Number of things aboout David Icke concern me. One is how he talks about so called 'awakening'. Barely you can find there word 'God'. Infinite conciousness, unconditional love etc. - you'll find lots of this with David. It remainds me of GW Bush who talks about God, but never mentions his name, never says in detail what God he worships.
By the way, go to 'Awakening' on this forum and look what is there. Barely something and NEGATIVISM too.
And I know that David is telling lies. Suspect he does it on purpose. Why?
I have been listener to Spaceman show from www.640toronto.com for about 5 years He talks exactly the same stuff, Illuminati, NWO, does NOT touch Jews and Zionism, sometimes touches on Vatican. And you know what? Last Saturday I could not beliebve my ears!!! I heared 'Problem-Reaction-Solution' phrase coming out from Spaceman's mouth!!!! I HAVE NEVER HEARD THIS PHRASE FROM HIS MOUTH. It was only Icke who talked this way. Are they not starting talking the same language? Is it not the sam mind controll unit?
You'll find a lot of interesting stuff about Alex Jones here too.
I am wth you on that one.

ok just to clarify premasai, you need to read Tales from the Time Loop by DAVID ICKE if you haven't already cause practically a whole quarter (of a huge book, 400 or 500 pages) is about the ZIONIST AGENDA!!!!!

lol

the biggest threats to humanity are the christain peddlers, the bloody christian crap was half if not more responsible for the mess we are in now lol :D and i'm a catholic lol though not anymore lol

and i'm irish and i intend to fight if needs be. Humans will never accept that we are all one, and i'm a good person, i'm extemely sensitive, caring and wouldn't hurt a fly...however, i get so tired of the way people are around me, stupid bastards causing hurt and pain and basically taking any opportunity to harass you for no reason (in daily life i'm talking about here) a fresh experience of something that happened on saturday brought my faith in humanity right back down...these people are a waste of time, and it'll be down to their ignorance that the NWO will get in the door and us genuinely good people willhave to suffer the consequences, even though all we want is for people to love and respect, repeat RESPECT eachother and we'd be living in paradise.

Religon is dangerous, it divides people and turns people into sheep, looking up for some god to come and either judge or save them and also fighting over who worships the right god or who are the chosen people...

You know, i was starting to agree with you James 777 but then the whiff of christian pusher hits you right on the nose and a beware signal goes off in the mind lol...just i thought you were a cooper supporter..what's the difference between cooper and icke?ok cooper wound up dead, but what else?

[celtic isis]

Hahahah endo9494. I was accused by the person you talk about for spending too much time on this forum (I have posted 100 and a change for past couple of months - since I've been here).
You must know that on this forum you'll be judged by numer of David Icke's books you have read.
Number of things aboout David Icke concern me. One is how he talks about so called 'awakening'. Barely you can find there word 'God'. Infinite conciousness, unconditional love etc. - you'll find lots of this with David. It remainds me of GW Bush who talks about God, but never mentions his name, never says in detail what God he worships.
By the way, go to 'Awakening' on this forum and look what is there. Barely something and NEGATIVISM too.
And I know that David is telling lies. Suspect he does it on purpose. Why?
I have been listener to Spaceman show from www.640toronto.com for about 5 years He talks exactly the same stuff, Illuminati, NWO, does NOT touch Jews and Zionism, sometimes touches on Vatican. And you know what? Last Saturday I could not beliebve my ears!!! I heared 'Problem-Reaction-Solution' phrase coming out from Spaceman's mouth!!!! I HAVE NEVER HEARD THIS PHRASE FROM HIS MOUTH. It was only Icke who talked this way. Are they not starting talking the same language? Is it not the sam mind controll unit?
You'll find a lot of interesting stuff about Alex Jones here too.
I am wth you on that one.
[B]
sorry posting gone crazy lol

[james777]

CELTIC ISIS; "You know, i was starting to agree with you James 777 but then the whiff of christian pusher hits you right on the nose and a beware signal goes off in the mind lol...just i thought you were a cooper supporter..what's the difference between cooper and icke?ok cooper wound up dead, but what else?"

I understand what you mean and I understand why you feel how you do. But you'll notice, I've never brought up the term christianity or tried to push 'christianity' on anyone. The very Bible that I read doesn't even make one claim to christianity. Some people don't understand this and any time you mention Jesus or God they accuse you of trying to push christianity down their throats, but I understand this, I really do. This is a huge tool for the NWO to use against us. They create different religions with different teachings, things that aren't even biblical, and they try to push these ideas as facts and demands. If you actually read the Bible yourself, you'll understand that it's not a controlling, demanding book, but rather a book of history, book of teachings, wisdom, knowlegde and it holds the basic principals to a fruitful life.

If they can fool people to not even 'look' for themselves at the truth, then it makes it easier for them to control those who do know the truth. Mankind has made religion, religion didn't make mankind. We need to really do some introspection on ourselves and stop listening to the evilness in this world.

[celtic isis]

CELTIC ISIS; "You know, i was starting to agree with you James 777 but then the whiff of christian pusher hits you right on the nose and a beware signal goes off in the mind lol...just i thought you were a cooper supporter..what's the difference between cooper and icke?ok cooper wound up dead, but what else?"

I understand what you mean and I understand why you feel how you do. But you'll notice, I've never brought up the term christianity or tried to push 'christianity' on anyone. The very Bible that I read doesn't even make one claim to christianity. Some people don't understand this and any time you mention Jesus or God they accuse you of trying to push christianity down their throats, but I understand this, I really do. This is a huge tool for the NWO to use against us. They create different religions with different teachings, things that aren't even biblical, and they try to push these ideas as facts and demands. If you actually read the Bible yourself, you'll understand that it's not a controlling, demanding book, but rather a book of history, book of teachings, wisdom, knowlegde and it holds the basic principals to a fruitful life.

If they can fool people to not even 'look' for themselves at the truth, then it makes it easier for them to control those who do know the truth. Mankind has made religion, religion didn't make mankind. We need to really do some introspection on ourselves and stop listening to the evilness in this world.

i know lol, my OH studied the bible for YEARS, he knows more about it and what it truely means than anyone.

i know religon is a tool used to keep the manipulation going. Religion actually means 'to bring together' when it actually does the opposite, it drives people apart.

so you're not christian then james? ;)

sorry if i came off a bit attacking there, i posted alot yesterday and the day before when i was seriously angry lol :o

my apologies :o

[celtic isis]

hang on, i know i have a youtube that fits this somewhere...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiJKE5Sd8DI

[james777]

i know lol, my OH studied the bible for YEARS, he knows more about it and what it truely means than anyone.

i know religon is a tool used to keep the manipulation going. Religion actually means 'to bring together' when it actually does the opposite, it drives people apart.

so you're not christian then james? ;)

sorry if i came off a bit attacking there, i posted alot yesterday and the day before when i was seriously angry lol :o

my apologies :o


Ironic huh, about religion. I know it's crazy! I agree 100% that religion is a tool used for manipulation. This is one of the primary reasons that we should not judge one another because it can lead us down many different avenues of opinion and accusation. If you go back to the origins of religion, you'll notice that the religion of 'christianity' was used as a labeling tool by the 'pharisees', who openly and tenaciously opposed Jesus and his teachings. Therefore that is how christianity started and that is where it has led us today. Next came catholicism, another tool of control, and so-on and so-forth. So when you ask me, "so you're not a christain then james?", I would have to answer you in two parts. 1) I am a christain by the world standards and beliefs of what embodies a christain. 2) I am merely a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ, I do believe in the Bible and I do think that there is more truth in it then anything else I've ever come across. So, if I am labelled in that way, then 'YES, I AM A CHRISTAIN', but the label barely explains or even scratches the surface of what this really means.

I do not intend to pound you in the face with 'believe this' or this will happen or 'do this' or this will happen. I am just trying to gleam light on some dark issues. If you take what I say and realize it to be truth, great, if you don't, great! I am not here to control others or try to force them to conform to my belief structure. I am just displaying real TRUTH and I know many find it fascinating and compelling.

Don't worry about apologizing to me, I have tuff skin....lol.....Seriously, I know that confusion causes anger and then dealing with day-to-day life on top of all that can be stressful......don't worry though, you'll learn how to release the pressure.

By the way; James 1:27
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
That's what God has to say about religion, according to James, the brother of Jesus.

[i am all i am]

Would this be the same Jesus describded in the NIV Bible in this passage ???.....

II Corinthians 5:21 God made Him to be sin for us who knew no sin.

He is called by 210 different names in the Bible. He is a Rock, He is a Rose, He is a Lion, He is a Lamb, He is a Lilly, He is a Vine, and of all things, He is a Serpent.

Jesus is also called the morning star, the same name given to lucifer (the bright and shining morning star).



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[auron]

A Jack of all trades eh? :D

[james777]

Would this be the same Jesus describded in the NIV Bible in this passage ???.....

II Corinthians 5:21 God made Him to be sin for us who knew no sin.

He is called by 210 different names in the Bible. He is a Rock, He is a Rose, He is a Lion, He is a Lamb, He is a Lilly, He is a Vine, and of all things, He is a Serpent.

Jesus is also called the morning star, the same name given to lucifer (the bright and shining morning star).



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The actual translation of 2 Corinthians 5:21(NIV Version) is this;

21) God made him who had no sin to be sin[a] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

You've clearly taken this out of context and even twisted the word order. Also if you can find where it refers to Jesus as a serpent or the morning star, I'd appreciate it.

[i am all i am]

The actual translation of 2 Corinthians 5:21(NIV Version) is this;

21) God made him who had no sin to be sin[a] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

You've clearly taken this out of context and even twisted the word order. Also if you can find where it refers to Jesus as a serpent or the morning star, I'd appreciate it.

It's not my translation or interpretation, and I haven't twisted anything.

Here's the link for you to have a look at...

http://mcdonaldroad.org/sermons/03/0201.htm

Biblical quotations are from the New International Version NIV unless otherwise noted. Divine pronouns and titles are capitalized.

Jesus Our Serpent

Numbers 21, John 3
I have a Quiz for you this morning:

Who is
Our King of Kings?
Our Morning Star
Our Lord
Our Messiah
Our Shepherd
Our Savior
Our Cornerstone
Our Serpent?
All the same answers.

Believe it or not Jesus is our serpent in the book of Numbers 21.

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Revelation 22:16 (KJV) "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

Revelation 22:16 (NIV) "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."


2 Peter 1:19 (New International Version) "19And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts."







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[james777]

It's not my translation or interpretation, and I haven't twisted anything.

Here's the link for you to have a look at...

http://mcdonaldroad.org/sermons/03/0201.htm

Biblical quotations are from the New International Version NIV unless otherwise noted. Divine pronouns and titles are capitalized.

Jesus Our Serpent

Numbers 21, John 3
I have a Quiz for you this morning:

Who is
Our King of Kings?
Our Morning Star
Our Lord
Our Messiah
Our Shepherd
Our Savior
Our Cornerstone
Our Serpent?
All the same answers.

Believe it or not Jesus is our serpent in the book of Numbers 21.

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Revelation 22:16 (KJV) "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

Revelation 22:16 (NIV) "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."


2 Peter 1:19 (New International Version) "19And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts."







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Well, first of all, Numbers 21 and John 3 do not portray Jesus as a serpent. In order for you to believe it does simply means that you read what it says and then make up your own meaning.

You are correct about the Bible referring to Jesus as 'The Bright Morning Star', but in your previous post you said it calls him 'the morning star'. There is a difference, so be careful here. You continue to prove to me that you; (A) Do not know how to correctly read and comprehend what the Bible clearly states or (B) Just have no idea what you're talking about.

You seem to chase me from thread to thread trying to dis-prove what it is that I say. Seems a little odd to me. Anyways, carry-on.

[i am all i am]

Well, first of all, Numbers 21 and John 3 do not portray Jesus as a serpent. In order for you to believe it does simply means that you read what it says and then make up your own meaning.

You are correct about the Bible referring to Jesus as 'The Bright Morning Star', but in your previous post you said it calls him 'the morning star'. There is a difference, so be careful here. You continue to prove to me that you; (A) Do not know how to correctly read and comprehend what the Bible clearly states or (B) Just have no idea what you're talking about.

You seem to chase me from thread to thread trying to dis-prove what it is that I say. Seems a little odd to me. Anyways, carry-on.

Yeah, right.

2 Peter 1:19 "...the morning star..."

Maybe you have difficulty reading ???



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[james777]

[QUOTE=i am all i am;48386]

"...the morning star..."

I rest my case.

You just really don't get it, huh?

[i am all i am]

[QUOTE=i am all i am;48386]

"...the morning star..."

I rest my case.

You just really don't get it, huh?

You have a case to prove do you ???

These are the quotes from the bible...

Revelation 22:16 (KJV) "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

Revelation 22:16 (NIV) "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

2 Peter 1:19 (New International Version) "19And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts."

the bright and morning star

the bright Morning Star

the morning star

This isn't me calling Jesus anything. The 2nd and 3rd quotes are from the bible that you profess to use and to have read fully, the NIV. You asked me,

"Also if you can find where it refers to Jesus as a serpent or the morning star, I'd appreciate it."

I found you the quotes, what more do you want ???

Lucifer is known as the morning star. Jesus, in revelation, from the NIV bible, says that he is "the bright Morning Star".

It's very simple, what do you not understand about the correlation ???




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[oneofmany]

Throughout history the only effective way to throw off oppressors has involved self-defense.Ever heard of Ghandi? He peaced for peace quite effectively in India, so much so, that the British left them to sort it out for themselves. The end result? Pakistan!!!

[james777]

[QUOTE=james777;48538]

You have a case to prove do you ???

These are the quotes from the bible...

Revelation 22:16 (KJV) "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

Revelation 22:16 (NIV) "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

2 Peter 1:19 (New International Version) "19And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts."

the bright and morning star

the bright Morning Star

the morning star

This isn't me calling Jesus anything. The 2nd and 3rd quotes are from the bible that you profess to use and to have read fully, the NIV. You asked me,

"Also if you can find where it refers to Jesus as a serpent or the morning star, I'd appreciate it."

I found you the quotes, what more do you want ???

Lucifer is known as the morning star. Jesus, in revelation, from the NIV bible, says that he is "the bright Morning Star".

It's very simple, what do you not understand about the correlation ???




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my quote; "You are correct about the Bible referring to Jesus as 'The Bright Morning Star'"

I'm not quite sure what you're missing here or trying to prove. If you read my above quote, you'll notice that I know what the bible says.

YOU, not me, said that the bible refers to him as 'the morning star', not 'BRIGHT'......so I asked where it stated that and you still haven't shown me. 2 Peter 1:19 does not clearly refer to Jesus. I don't want anything from you! You're trying to argue a point that you don't have, so please, for the sake of wasted conversation.......GET OVER IT!!

[i am all i am]

[QUOTE=i am all i am;48542]


my quote; "You are correct about the Bible referring to Jesus as 'The Bright Morning Star'"

I'm not quite sure what you're missing here or trying to prove. If you read my above quote, you'll notice that I know what the bible says.

YOU, not me, said that the bible refers to him as 'the morning star', not 'BRIGHT'......so I asked where it stated that and you still haven't shown me. 2 Peter 1:19 does not clearly refer to Jesus. I don't want anything from you! You're trying to argue a point that you don't have, so please, for the sake of wasted conversation.......GET OVER IT!!

2 Peter 1:16-19 (NIV)
16We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."[a] 18We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.

19And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.



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[celtic isis]

Ironic huh, about religion. I know it's crazy! I agree 100% that religion is a tool used for manipulation. This is one of the primary reasons that we should not judge one another because it can lead us down many different avenues of opinion and accusation. If you go back to the origins of religion, you'll notice that the religion of 'christianity' was used as a labeling tool by the 'pharisees', who openly and tenaciously opposed Jesus and his teachings. Therefore that is how christianity started and that is where it has led us today. Next came catholicism, another tool of control, and so-on and so-forth. So when you ask me, "so you're not a christain then james?", I would have to answer you in two parts. 1) I am a christain by the world standards and beliefs of what embodies a christain. 2) I am merely a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ, I do believe in the Bible and I do think that there is more truth in it then anything else I've ever come across. So, if I am labelled in that way, then 'YES, I AM A CHRISTAIN', but the label barely explains or even scratches the surface of what this really means.

I do not intend to pound you in the face with 'believe this' or this will happen or 'do this' or this will happen. I am just trying to gleam light on some dark issues. If you take what I say and realize it to be truth, great, if you don't, great! I am not here to control others or try to force them to conform to my belief structure. I am just displaying real TRUTH and I know many find it fascinating and compelling.

Don't worry about apologizing to me, I have tuff skin....lol.....Seriously, I know that confusion causes anger and then dealing with day-to-day life on top of all that can be stressful......don't worry though, you'll learn how to release the pressure.

By the way; James 1:27
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
That's what God has to say about religion, according to James, the brother of Jesus.

i know, it makes me angry when we do go to church (for my mam and also to explore the esoteric secrets around while we're there lol) but like, it makes me angry to hear people in the congregation, mindlessly bleeting out the same old prayers, same words over and over, week after week and they don't know the actual truths behind these prayers, scriptures etc and the whole concept of the religon they believe they are followers of lol. Catholicism is based on so many half truths, there are the literal truths and literal meanings just put out there to keep the masses happy...omg how can the human race be so stupid lol You know what, the human race, it's just too trusting, particularly of people in 'higher' places...

They want everything nicely packaged so they don't even have to bother reading the bible themselves and they want their religon only when they're getting married or having their kid baptised, or when a loved one has died or to remove their signs...ok so i can still be a christian and only make a half arsed attempt at following what it truly means to be christian, and when i slip up i just hop along to the priest and he takes away all my sins and i'm free to do what i want again....

People are like children, that's it. and boy have the elite taken advantage of it.

i consider myself just me, i don't follow any religon but i do follow what is means to be christian..ie be a good person...help people, be kind, genuine, sincere, don't cause hurt or pain to people and generally be loving. i do lose my temper at times because really people are just so pathetic it does get me down. Most of th time though people are nice, i do find people are scared of eachother now too, like cautious...like if you smile at someone they are shocked but happy. Society has really been manipulated to break apart community spirit, more and more people are isolated and don't have anyone to turn too, it's sad.

anyway i'm off, i'm all 'thinked' out for today! :)

[davidbarstis]

Getting back to the original post about taking action against the elite instead of being passive, I would like to say something. There is almost no aspect of our physical or mental actions that are original in any way. Every day, I challenge myself on how much further I need to break away from this false reality we're all living in. I am much more awake than I was , say, ten years ago, but the persistence of every day life and people dictating what MY life is suppose to be is astounding. I have given up so much to do my part in changing this "world" we live in, and I know there is so much more I need and CAN do. My life is certainly not easy because I refuse to take the easy road of ignorance or going along with everyone else so as not to create waves. Screw that. I'm tired of living in such a hypocritical world where people shed crocodile tears and help create such an imbalance by being so apathetic to the worlds tragedies while screaming bloody horror at some trivial matter in their life. I know most of you in here know what I'm talking about or else you probably wouldn't be here.
I'm not trying to dictate anything here, just expressing my feelings. I don't post too much here because I'd rather read and learn, but it seems to me that some people, no matter how much David Icke they read, still don't get it. Changing your life dramatically and leading by example is by no means being passive. It takes a lot more courage than physically eliminating the elite. How is doing that changing the world anyway? What, are people automatically going to be wiser and less violent and no longer care about American Idol or whatever dumb shows they watch, when the elite are gone? No, someone else will just move in to take advantage of such a dumbed down society or continue on being mind controlled in some way. I live in the US and the gas prices are astronomical, and yet people in record numbers are still travelling for Memorial Day weekend. Wow, what a way to make a statement, and yet people are outraged at the prices. The elite would go into super panic mode if half the people stopped driving so much. Of course people want to physically remove the elite, because they can't stop giving them money. They refuse to do that. Unbelievable in my view.
The whole game plan would change for the elite if people just stopped doing certain things in their life. That's really one point that I think David Icke makes. If everyone truly loved, they would very much play an active role in changing all the hate, violence, complaining and doing nothing, because it's too hard to change myself so it must be the fault of the world around me attitude.
I wonder how many people here really sacrafice their material life style to lead by example and start to enjoy the things in this world that doesn't cost money. Or is it the "in thing to do", to talk about change and not do anything about it. Elite or no elite, I'm still surrounded by ignorant people who don't give a damn about anything but themselves or their money. What, out with the old elite, in with the new?
I think the attitude of 'it has to be physical force or just sitting around doing nothing' says it all. I guess that's the only options then? Give me a break people. People can't take any time to change themselves??? Is that really what people are saying even after reading what David Icke says?
This post is for everyone. I'm not criticizing anyone or the original poster because I have no idea what part they are taking and I know there are many doing more than me. But, I take responsibility for state we are in and I know that if every cared and loved enough not to want future generations to live in a tyranny, then we would look in the mirror and ask ourselves what is truly important? Everyone seems to want to change the world while maintaining their current status. It just isn't going to happen. Almost everything you own is an elite creation, and if you thing you can do away with the elite while buying all their products, I don't know what to tell you. I don't own a cell phone and I live just fine without one. The cell phone companies can take their bills, text massages, cell phone towers and microwave radiation, and shove it.
Thanks for listening, Love to all.

[i_am]

If mankind just lived life by The Golden Rule, there would be no wars, no deceit, no oppression, no lies, no killing, no stealing etc

Every single religion, not just Christianity, has a version of this rule.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/reciproc.htm

The only one I can think of that comes close to actually living this way is Buddhism. (and no! I am not Buddhist and I don't believe in all of their philosopies)

[james777]

Most religions are similar in many ways. Most religions are for the betterment of humanity. The main difference between christianity and other religions is the fact that 'Jesus' claims that the only way to the father(God) is through him and we must accept this fact and accept his free gift of salvation to get to heaven. I guess this is just too much for people to accept. People don't like to believe that they 'need' saved. These are all feelings of ego and pride, also things 'Jesus' has warned about.

Only time will tell........

[i am all i am]

Most religions are similar in many ways. Most religions are for the betterment of humanity. The main difference between christianity and other religions is the fact that 'Jesus' claims that the only way to the father(God) is through him and we must accept this fact and accept his free gift of salvation to get to heaven. I guess this is just too much for people to accept. People don't like to believe that they 'need' saved. These are all feelings of ego and pride, also things 'Jesus' has warned about.

Only time will tell........

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e198/tattoohairgoddess/JesusFuckingChrist.jpg

Are you serious ???

You say that you aren't pushing christianity and yet here you are saying that every other religion is less than what christianity is and that we all need to be saved.

The only thing that you have said that has any credability is, "Most religions are similar in many ways.", and this is because they are all about attempting to control everyone.

"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors."
- Pope Leo X.

Here are some videos for your edification...

The Truth About The Jesus Myth Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2zNJcPiIDg

The Truth About the Jesus Myth Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dvup...elated&search=

The Truth About the Jesus Myth Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKd45...elated&search=

The Truth About the Jesus Myth Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZH8b...elated&search=

The Truth About the Jesus Myth Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfLj0...elated&search=

The Truth About the Jesus Myth Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sVtg...elated&search=



Jordan Maxwell - The sons of god – 1 hr 26 min
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v525746fx...5349&rank= 12



Jordan Maxwell Sons of Gods 1/9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRGdV9rIFhg

Jordan Maxwell Sons of Gods 2/9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXW8UUsN-nU

Jordan Maxwell Sons of Gods 3/9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwfJfIvm1OY

Jordan Maxwell Sons of Gods 4/9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwXdU...elated&search=

Jordan Maxwell Sons of Gods 5/9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqIz_...elated&search=

Jordan Maxwell Sons of Gods 6/9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MJwL...elated&search=

Jordan Maxwell Sons of Gods 7/9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsaMK...elated&search=

Jordan Maxwell Sons of Gods 8/9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brZ0l...elated&search=

Jordan Maxwell Sons of Gods 9/9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXTEx...elated&search=


And a few books that will open your eyes...

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[john white]

LOL! What a thread, just read it through

Here's me giving my POV straight up

NO-ONE can mislead us: No-one at all

Whenever we fear or claim that, we are only misleading ourselves

Each of us is responsible for our own consciousness: NO-ONE else

And if we say "I believed this because I was taken advantage of" or "so and so made me think that": its self deceit.

Comforting, perhaps. A coping mechanism: Definitely

But when we don’t allow ourselves to understand this, all we do is look for something else to give our minds away to: when we should be looking within to find why these ideas were attractive to us in the first place

Very amusing thoughts about Love too: the usual "Love is Weak", "Love won't stop a bullet" "Love wont help you when your child is being raped in front of you" kind of things. This is all fear: fear that we are not strong enough for Love: fear that we are weak, and need to be lead. Wonder where that came from?

Its very simple really: Hatred breeds division, breeds injustice, brings destruction

Love breeds unity, equality and harmony

If anyone thinks a better world comes through division, injustice and destruction, then they better join the illuminati they claim to be fighting against, because they are seriously dis-informing themselves

Be the change you wish to see in others

Truth is so simple the Ego does everything it possibly can to ignore it....

Give that ego a kick: it is slave YOU are master

[auron]

Very amusing thoughts about Love too: the usual "Love is Weak", "Love won't stop a bullet" "Love wont help you when your child is being raped in front of you" kind of things. This is all fear: fear that we are not strong enough for Love: fear that we are weak, and need to be lead.


Excellent! I like that one. :)

[legaata]

To some point, I agree with you. We must be prepared to use violence. But if we do use violence, we must do it with respect for those targeted, and with beliefe in love. Also, the acts of evil by the Illuminati might work as an neverending spiral. They fere punishment if they would be discovered, thus working harder and harder to remain undiscovered (through yet more acts of evil). If we use violence, we will signal to the Illuminati that they will not slip away unpunished, which will encourage them to further incriese their control. Anyone who is commiting an act of evil is either mislead to believe that his victim is evil, or also is he not himself. Therefore, the alternavtive to using violence is spreading the beliefe in love, and waking people up and getting in contact with what is their self. Most of the people serving the Illuminati are doing so because of fear, or differently formulated: because of lack of beliefe in love. Personally I believe violence should be used not against humans, but against technical equipment in the form of weapons, and machines that destroy the rainforest and nature, given that they can be destroyed without any human being harmed.

[infinitetruth]

These people are not afraid of killing (NWO) we seen them do it over and over again. I was saw GW bush say that he was 'looking forward to the smoking gun, in the form of a mushroom cloud'
Maybe he didn't put it quite like that but it gave me chills all the same.

So what do we do? If we go out and fight they will kill everyone of us. We have to be smart. Alex Jones has got the right idea - what they are afraid of is the public's knowledge. The more the public know the less their covert plans are going to work, the more they are going to show their true colours. The more people know, the less people are going to be frightened of gag orders, and keeping government secrets - the more news reporters will speak out. We have to spread the knowledge. No battle can be won with these guys, they have the military, the weapons, the law enforcement and the money. All we have is people - the more people know the more people we have on our side, the more whistleblowers we will get the more military sympathetic to our cause, the more policemen on our side.

We have to think about how we can stop this WW3 before it happens, if that is possible, but that should be our aim.

Have you seen trance formation of america on youtube?

[ashyr]

your right and make a damn good point
but im afraid to side with this notion at this time in my life.

ill explain

now if u take PROBLEM REACTION SOLUTION. the vital part inside that statement is the PATH. its like they say. doesnt matter what we control/make them think. aslong as they are all thinking. (the same thing) eg news.

now employ this into davids line of work. this could be setting us up for the next stage in the pattern. so when this NWO rears it head. and we are all inevitable going to be awoken. that this will be the next step in the "PATH" to accept instantly. or move towards a solution set in place by david and his ideas.

now the pitfalls of such an idea.

like david says. WHAT PURPOSE WOULD IT SERVE. if this is such the case. then here is the conflict. David has found the way out of prison. but were not happy with the fact he has found it and we want to find out own way out. or keep him in prison for making us feel that we cant find a way out now."
and that is our right. if we are to talk about free will. do what thou wilt (old satanic statement) but its true.

and when you reach such a stage of awareness as that of David Icke.
you will ultimately be in a position where LIES,DECIET,MISLEADING,BRAINWASHING whatever you want to call could be the product of such an enlightenment,uplifiting,ascention whatever u call it.
he would know his own demise would come from his actions so he would also being so clever and carefully planning to delude and mis-inform us all that he knew this own demise would come from it. and he is actually giving up his own energy in such an effort.. NONSENSE.

David, i feel will serve no one in an attempt to dictate.
1. HE SHARES ( information for free, ahem the fees and admisions etc. he deserves more than money.)
2. HE CARES ( in the matter of this problem)
3. HE SWEARS ( he is telling the truth )
4. HE CLEARS ( the way from such a foiled/dominated path to truth )
5. HE BEARS ( witness by actually listening to people )
6. HE FEARS ( he is also human )
7. HE DARES ( Continuing against all odds in the direct face of adversity)
8. HE HEARS ( our thanks, our praise, our hearts. )
9. HE'S STILL THERE!

now how many other humans do u know that u can say persist to do the same fundamental principals that we all know to be the TRUTH already anyway. while living a life with a family and children. Never have you seen such a person who expresses what he truely is. that is why u question the authenticity. Its the dawning of a new age of man. ONE where men are REAL.

david is real. and if by chance he is the devil and has fooled us all. its not like he didnt tell us did he?

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

edro9494, how many of David's books have you read?

yeah no shit hey, u obviously don';t quite understand...

you are looing at he world with ur paradigm, trying to understand what david is saying through the filter of your mind the filter being ur paradigm. it is very difficult of course not to do this, and each person does do this (including myself) however in order to learn one must empty his cup. so i suggest that u read each of davids books not in light o what u already understand, but in light of what you do not. in simple terms take what he is saying as it is without ur interpretive alterations. waht im talking about is the fact you said that david suggest using love like a weapon, and you think that this is a false, and concienient way to continue our being manipulated. that would be true if we were regarding only the third dimention, if you step outside of this understanding, it is possible to see that in fact there are many "levels" of existance, we live in a layered construct and we see only that which is at our eye level (eg-it would be difficult for u to understand what being an Ant is all about just as much as an ant would have trouble understanding what it is to be a human) our conciousness exists at one layer or level and thec ant's at another, even though we exist together.

everything is-an expression of-energy

what this means is that even ur emotions and the act of having them, thinking, doing and being is also an expression of energy (or rather can be expressed as energy). we become the things we think...

how this connects to love-

ok, so everything is energy, so what? ok we live in a universe that has dimentions and pockets of existence (realms) all existing on a scale-like radio frequency, for ease i will use the terms heaven/hell. heaven (higher levels within the construct) is very physically light energy-hell (lower levels) is very dense physically. this is the same with emotin and thought, constantly having "negative" emotions will trap one's conciousness within this realm and not allow one to experience higher levels simply bewcause one is unable to tune into these faster/lighter energies. what David is talking about is using love as a method (not really a weapon) to facillitate tunijng into these higher frequencies, and remaining there. heaven/hell overlap and exist together in the same space without touching eachother, and it is up to us to tune into these dimentions. real love (not lust) carries/or rather exists as a very high/light energy, if we become that energy (through really experiencing love, and we become that which we think) then our total vibrational field will be altered and become higher/faster/lighter.

i hope this has explained something, good luck with your journey, if nopt and u think i'm crack pot that's cool, hopefully i have explained something to someone and been of help :-)

[irak]

someones quote i read somewhere:

Don't fight for peace, peace for peace!

..simple and correct