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xpleet
04-08-2008, 01:48 PM
The question amongst aware ones should not be wether Karma is real but what it really is, in itself.

In truth, Karma is a very structural thing of the reality we live in, that is the cycle of life and death. Karma is supposed to be the divine rule of cause and effect, that means that things you sent out bounce back on you, sounds logically doesn't it? Many are aware that reincarnation is the cause of "lack of enlightenment" or the cause of bad actions, but most bitterly, it can be enforced upon beings when they are not manipulated to think that Karma is for "their highest good". The truth is nothing of this is required, and the principle of punishment or "cure of bad actions with bad actions" has two basic outcomes.

1) total obedience and will to the 'judge' (like children whose parents are total authoritarian do all in the interest of pleasing them in order to avoid bad consequences.)
2) disobedience turning into an eternal negativity spiral.


If we go a little deeper, you will hear the Lords of Karma are mentioned, hey wait a second...big brother in the afterlife?
It is known that they dispense Karma, but since when is a universal law bound to a bunch of individual "lords", and if so, the false-law of Karma is then easily exposed. The conspiracy goes beyond physical death.

don't believe me, research this yourself.

It is only programming, that can make inhabitants of higher planes think that they learn a good lesson by being sent into this horrible reality of suffering and pain again and again until they obey the "universal laws" and are literally 'allowed' to leave the karmic cycle.

Hell by the way, is a real place, lower than our reality and really ugly, where they sent suicidals and others.

Many think that the different vibratory realities or "densities" are due to the natural way of things but this is not true. Those who have seen the other dimensions know that by all means the reality we live in here is not required at all.

Rather than accepting the things around the way they are, one should question simply each and everything because things don't just randomly come into existence, everything underlies intention so perhaps you should ask yourself wether the creator(s) of this reality is not rather evil.

this is a very deep subject but it's still about nothing but the truth.

lilavati
04-08-2008, 02:40 PM
if you believe in karma you must believe that every killer will have the same fate in next life and everyone murdered ,was a killer.
actually i dont personally find that hard to believe.it seems quite sensible:rolleyes:

cyberdaemon
05-08-2008, 03:11 PM
if you believe in karma you must believe that every killer will have the same fate in next life and everyone murdered ,was a killer.
actually i dont personally find that hard to believe.it seems quite sensible:rolleyes:

So its a dead circle that leads nowhere

element
05-08-2008, 07:41 PM
So its a dead circle that leads nowhere

Not at all. You can stop it with forgiveness. If that be true like you say, there would be no end, as many all kill insects etc. It's all about the intent.

Just because we don't understand the concepts of reincarnation and karma, it doesn't mean they're not true. If we really want to understand these concepts fully, we have to be self-realized.

zero1
05-08-2008, 08:34 PM
Not at all. You can stop it with forgiveness. If that be true like you say, there would be no end, as many all kill insects etc. It's all about the intent.

Just because we don't understand the concepts of reincarnation and karma, it doesn't mean they're not true. If we really want to understand these concepts fully, we have to be self-realized.

Great post, all true.

Karma is debt, and (by way of example) Jesus is said to have discharged the debt humanity owed to God with the words "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do" on the Cross @ the Crucifixion.

Buddha taught the same thing; Karma binds one to rebirth and cycles of reincarnation - to expunge that debt for past and future actions, one must practice forgiveness and compassion.

The self-realized soul will know to do the same thing, though often it is very difficult.

Even the way the body acts is karmic, computing by rules of cause and effect, reflecting these continuous changes in altered mind-states wherein the illusory ego is reformed and reborn within over and over until this process is stilled and silenced by meditation, right action (good works) an open heart and a sound mind.

xpleet
09-08-2008, 01:49 AM
yup, it's the point of our universe virtual-reality, it's pointless ;) otherwise you knew what you had to do since birth.
look around you, progression or destruction?