Is David Icke part of the illuminati?

[nirvana]

Could David Icke be part of the illuminati agenda?. Maybe a wolf in sheeps clothing. Maybe this whole thing is a double bluff and David Icke is a high ranking mason.

If Icke is so dangerous to the illuminati with his exposure why dont they just get rid of him? For the illuminati it would be easy acidents etc simple.:eek:

[pollock]

Hmm, check here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2622

Or here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2944

Or even here:) :
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2806

:)
F

[edro9494]

We should be asking him and others such as Alex Jones why they don't talk about the role of Jewish Zionism throughout the past 300 years!

Why doesnt Icke criticize Israel as much as he does Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld?

[mada88]

I found this video on youtube the guy talks about David being a mason and apparently they did the secret handshake on him and he got it correct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5snYlYgmzE

He got very scared when he met a mason! check out my comment ;) I go past a masonic lodge every day and I'm fine lol They don't have any control/power secret socities just influence power/control. People are becoming paranoid androids if you ask me.

http://matterik.com/2007/04/david-icke-mason.html

Above is a link to his blog with some interviews with alan watts. I love the name of watts website cutting through the matrix when he doesn't even get out of the five sense conspiracy. Maybe we you ask alan how is it that he knows so much about masonary?

[december]

Could David Icke be part of the illuminati agenda?. Maybe a wolf in sheeps clothing. Maybe this whole thing is a double bluff and David Icke is a high ranking mason.

If Icke is so dangerous to the illuminati with his exposure why dont they just get rid of him? For the illuminati it would be easy acidents etc simple.:eek:

It is not the very first time some one says that.
And I think the reason people thik so is because David Icke makes his "Illuminati control everything" message VERY CONVINCING.
And also he never offers a solution.

And! Icke basically says that everything belongs to the Illuminati and people have NOTHING...
Icke says that even sun symbolism (which was used for ages in every culture) is an Illuminati symbolism and doesn't belong to people.

Wow!

:)



If Icke is so dangerous to the illuminati with his exposure why dont they just get rid of him? For the illuminati it would be easy acidents etc simple.:eek:

That's what I wonder too... Actually the same question was asked on now closed DAVID ICKE FORUM www.davidickeforum.com

Just think about it - David Icke says that the Freemasons/Illuminati are so powerful and dangerous and they can get even US president...

Well, OK...

But if this is so, than how come Icke is OK AND his books are still in the stores and web-site is running? :D

What's going on here?

[ho1ogram]

Judging by the threads lately, a lot of people seem to have a limited understanding of the Illuminati. In the scheme of things it doesn't matter whether Icke is alive or dead because... the universe only exists for, and because of, you.

The illuminati is just the physical manifestation of the fear vibration, without which we wouldn't be able to experience this 'reality', a duality based experience.

Once one understands that one is infinite energy that cannot be destroyed and that EVERYTHING is here for you and a part of you, then one steps beyond fear and cannot be touched. What you ask for you shall receive. Choose unconditional love and no one can interfere with your free will.

You can explore these themes further in the 'Predator of Man' http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1748 and Conversations with God http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1793 threads.

Life has no meaning except what you give it.
Choose, Believe, Be.
Imo I reckon that is what David Icke has done.

[premasai]

Judging by the threads lately, a lot of people seem to have a limited understanding of the Illuminati. In the scheme of things it doesn't matter whether Icke is alive or dead because... the universe only exists for, and because of, you.

The illuminati is just the physical manifestation of the fear vibration, without which we wouldn't be able to experience this 'reality', a duality based experience.

Once one understands that one is infinite energy that cannot be destroyed and that EVERYTHING is here for you and a part of you, then one steps beyond fear and cannot be touched. What you ask for you shall receive. Choose unconditional love and no one can interfere with your free will.

You can explore these themes further in the 'Predator of Man' http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1748 and Conversations with God http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1793 threads.

Life has no meaning except what you give it.
Choose, Believe, Be.
Imo I reckon that is what David Icke has done.


The possibility here is that David Icke is a part of NWO. As Illuminati noticed more and more info about them started getting out to the people. They might have put Icke (or another possibility is that he started this all by himself and they cut some deal with him later) out there to spread some info, a lot of disinfo and be silent about other things.
If I compare Michael Tsarion with David Icke I see more and more differences in favour of Tsarion. Tsarion could be part of it too but more goes in his favour. He is professional historian, Icke not. I wonder where he takes all this info from. I know, Icke's defenders will say that he visited 40 countries. Visiting all world is not enaugh if you do not meet right people with right information.
I personally do not trust David Icke.

[amyg]

The possibility here is that David Icke is a part of NWO. As Illuminati noticed more and more info about them started getting out to the people. They might have put Icke (or another possibility is that he started this all by himself and they cut some deal with him later) out there to spread some info, a lot of disinfo and be silent about other things.
If I compare Michael Tsarion with David Icke I see more and more differences in favour of Tsarion. Tsarion could be part of it too but more goes in his favour. He is professional historian, Icke not. I wonder where he takes all this info from. I know, Icke's defenders will say that he visited 40 countries. Visiting all world is not enaugh if you do not meet right people with right information.
I personally do not trust David Icke.

told that “David Icke” was just sent out to do this to stop the people from listerning to the real truth, to cover up the real truth by moving our attention to other topics.

I think David Icke is a freemason look at this http://www.lodgeofangels.blogspot.com

[pollock]

told that “David Icke” was just sent out to do this to stop the people from listerning to the real truth, to cover up the real truth by moving our attention to other topics.

I think David Icke is a freemason look at this http://www.lodgeofangels.blogspot.com

Oh yeah I trust a masonic lodges website, I mean its not like they would spread disinfo or anything:rolleyes:

Personally David has helped me go on in my search for truth in a time when I was pretty stuck in one reality, so if he is intending for me to stop searching he is not very effective :D !

Love
F

[thedame]

'Tis funny that the masons would single out and reference David Icke on their home page THREE times. And what wonderfully real and high-res photos they are! You'd think that with the millenia of acquired human knowledge and control of the media the masons could at least get together a half decent believable photograph of a guy they want to tar and feahter?:rolleyes:

I think this lodge really need to hire a better MOP... or Master Of Photoshop to us mere plebs.

Phew!

[mada88]

'Tis funny that the masons would single out and reference David Icke on their home page THREE times. And what wonderfully real and high-res photos they are! You'd think that with the millenia of acquired human knowledge and control of the media the masons could at least get together a half decent believable photograph of a guy they want to tar and feahter?:rolleyes:

I think this lodge really need to hire a better MOP... or Master Of Photoshop to us mere plebs.

Phew!

God damn that picture is sooooo fake lol its just a cut and stick job. Mater of photoshop! lmao

[nirvana]

We should be asking him and others such as Alex Jones why they don't talk about the role of Jewish Zionism throughout the past 300 years!

Why doesnt Icke criticize Israel as much as he does Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld?

Maybe Icke is part of the Zionist agenda?.
No disrespect David just looking at this from all different angles?

[nirvana]

Judging by the threads lately, a lot of people seem to have a limited understanding of the Illuminati. In the scheme of things it doesn't matter whether Icke is alive or dead because... the universe only exists for, and because of, you.

The illuminati is just the physical manifestation of the fear vibration, without which we wouldn't be able to experience this 'reality', a duality based experience.

Once one understands that one is infinite energy that cannot be destroyed and that EVERYTHING is here for you and a part of you, then one steps beyond fear and cannot be touched. What you ask for you shall receive. Choose unconditional love and no one can interfere with your free will.

You can explore these themes further in the 'Predator of Man' http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1748 and Conversations with God http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1793 threads.

Life has no meaning except what you give it.
Choose, Believe, Be.
Imo I reckon that is what David Icke has done.

We may be infinate energy but that is not going to help us if someone decides to put a bullet to your head.
Would the people in zimbawie be safer under Mugabe if they developed unconditional love?
David Icke sounds like he wants everyone to become passive and have unconditional love so they will be easier to control once the New World Order is upon us:eek:

[ho1ogram]

We may be infinate energy but that is not going to help us if someone decides to put a bullet to your head.
Your infinite energy experiencing this reality so your body, the vehicle of experience, will die... you will continue to live.

Would the people in zimbawie be safer under Mugabe if they developed unconditional love?
Yes, because who would then dob in their neighbours? Who would join the secret police? Who would join the military? Who would work for Mugabe?

David Icke sounds like he wants everyone to become passive and have unconditional love so they will be easier to control once the New World Order is upon us:eek:
Love is active. If someone is putting a gun to your head without your permission while I am there, I will step in and stop the person from doing so... because I love you and I don't wish anyone to interfere with your free will.

The NWO is already here. Now is the time to choose to end it.

You can explore these themes further in the 'Predator of Man' http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1748 and Conversations with God http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1793 threads.

[paulski]

Personally David has helped me go on in my search for truth in a time when I was pretty stuck in one reality, so if he is intending for me to stop searching he is not very effective !

and rightly said too.

Yip there is also a You Tube clip that shows David in a meeting with Bush, the pope and Saddam playing table tennis.

Wow, it's mind blowing

[celtic isis]

We may be infinate energy but that is not going to help us if someone decides to put a bullet to your head.
Would the people in zimbawie be safer under Mugabe if they developed unconditional love?
David Icke sounds like he wants everyone to become passive and have unconditional love so they will be easier to control once the New World Order is upon us:eek:

you know what, nirvana, i had never thought of it like that, he wants everyone to become passive... :eek: that's an extremely good point!

ok, first off, it doesn't matter if icke is a mason or not, masons aren't bad people, my oh is a mason lol, of course it all depends on the kind of lodge etc. Freemasonry has a lot of tools, basically in the esoteric knowledge, the study of it, that give people tools to get on in life, to understand the mysteriers of life.

I know in my heart david icke is telling the truth, even the reptilian thing makes sense, or could be possiible, nothing is impossible in this world when you get out of the conditioned crap.

The ones with the agenda may have given Icke false info though to keep him mesmerised with the reptilian stuff, cause it is confusing it's like there are two ickes in each of his books, except for I Am Me, I Am Free. Maybe they have brainwashed him too! i don't know.

It's bad though to be doubting a person who for the most part, sets us free and we know tells the truth...it's good though to remember never to follow a leader, as Cooper said, cause then you will not be able to see when you have ben deceived...it's good ot have a healthy dose of suspicion when it comes to anyone like Icke or tsarion or jones etc.

But yeah, making us more passive, i mean, love isn't going to protect the world against the NWO, not with use of weapons rampant and things like microchipping on the horizon...the only way to do it to wake people up to the fact that there is a hidden agenda, a hidden hand behind world events, that esoteric knoweldge is surpressed from us, and thatour world leaders are bloody satanists lol, or at least they're worshipping the occult...cause they have a monopoly on the esoteric knowledge but are using the bad side of it to control.

Either way, we know what's really going on in the world, whether there's reptilians or whatever behind it, doesn't matter.

I guess it's better just to find out the truth for yourself, as i'm doing and not rely on people like icke or whatever...i mean, we are all One, but anyway people are too busy fighting and hating eachother, this isn't going to save anything sadly, cause people are too stupid. Just have to wake people up to the NWO, and make sure they understand it cause this is the plan. whoever is an insider or one of them or not

[infinitely free]

We should be asking him and others such as Alex Jones why they don't talk about the role of Jewish Zionism throughout the past 300 years!

Why doesnt Icke criticize Israel as much as he does Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld?

Are you at all familiar with his research, on zionism?


And also he never offers a solution.

And! Icke basically says that everything belongs to the Illuminati and

I got this idea from Icke - 'Just wake the f*** up'

And I did - it was good enough for me (Thank you David!), but it's as hard, as any solution to any prob!

Icke's defenders will say that he visited 40 countries. Visiting all world is not enaugh if you do not meet right people with right information.


Well, I think he's done that more than Tsarion, but - it's a personal opinion :)

We may be infinate energy but that is not going to help us if someone decides to put a bullet to your head.
Would the people in zimbawie be safer under Mugabe if they developed unconditional love?
David Icke sounds like he wants everyone to become passive and have unconditional love so they will be easier to control once the New World Order is upon us:eek:

Come on folks!
Try to familiarise yourselves with Icke's research - in a better fashion!!

I think I have, & I trust the bloke :)

[earthseed]

Hmm I wonder again about this new way they are trying out. By saying that anyone who outs them is one of them. What do we eventually say well they are the keepers of knowledge and we must bow down to them absolute? You think David is first researcher who has been accused? Hell no. They are all either getting accused or are doing the accusing. Passive people aren't into questioning anything. So I don't see that.

[andreadoria]

Could David Icke be part of the illuminati agenda?. Maybe a wolf in sheeps clothing. Maybe this whole thing is a double bluff and David Icke is a high ranking mason.

If Icke is so dangerous to the illuminati with his exposure why dont they just get rid of him? For the illuminati it would be easy acidents etc simple.:eek:

Well, just remember this... If they get rid of him right now, that he is a lot popular in the mainstream, could mean that he was right, and his followers could become more and more stronger than now in their convictions. This is exactly what the Illuminati doesn't want. They want you to stay always in the doubt. If you're in the doubt, you leave space to the questions. In this way you believe in something or not. Of course is another state of control, because you put questions that aren't simple to respond.

Even if David could be another master of puppets, and i underline "could be" because i don't feel it, from my point of view it doesn't matter. Not all the Illuminati insiders knows about the agenda, and not all the Illuminati are in agree with it. I did interview many Masons here, and they told me that it could be! If you could read an initiation book (i have many), you could understand how strange they act inside of what they call "The Cover Temple". Isn't that strange that people of Banks, Lawyers, Judges go inside of a building and do strange "pagan" rituals? Look at this picture:

http://www.automiribelli.org/img_post/riunione_massoni.jpg

This came from the Lodge of "Grand Oriente D'Italia". You think that this picture shows the "normality"? It's normal that people with power does meetings like that one? If David is a Mason, is doing a bad job. Why i say thaty? It's simple. I suggest you to view the John Carpenter's "They Live" movie. Basically it's the idea of what David is talking about, and you can see how much does mirror our now days reality. They bring you to follow just "how do you look", and not "how do you think". The idea of the "Get rich or die trying", and while you're busy trying to get rich, "They Live" among us and build their history.

It's enough to watch the television for a couple of hour a day, and you can see it clearly with your own eyes.

The work of David isn't to bring you at the solution "how to get rid of them", but it's to wake you up, in the way you can start to do your own researches, and for me it doesn't matter if he is an historian or not. I'm writing a book in Italy that talk about Stanley Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut" and the more 1380 Illuminati symbols inside. I did this research from my own from about 5 years studying every frames of this movie. I'm not a "pre-programmed" historian, but i know where to go for my researches. How strange that Stanley got only 16 months to direct this movie when normally he needed of years, and how strange that he got an heart attack when the movie was finished. "Eyes Wide Shut" was his personal "disclosure" of this people and how much he was involved with them. Just watch the poster of the movie and you can see it clearly why he is died. In the movie you can find the message: "Once you know, you cannot talk." But he did.

I know. Everything is a "mere" theory, but wonder why in the past all the legends became truth, and the truths became legends.

It's the passion and the intuition that bring you to disclose the facts, not what kind of studies you do or who you are talking with. David is doing a good job giving to you some new points of view. And it's not true that they do not trying to get rid of him. This people knows how to attack you psychically also, not only physically. Please notice the problem of his publisher, that want to stop him selling books. They cannot attack him personally, because is too famous now, so they are trying with the people around him. :confused:

[singularities]

All I know is that when you present someone with facts about the Illuminati that are irrefutable and Absolute Truth, and they choose to either ignore you or fob you off with something or other .............. they're not the full shilling. In other words, if you want to find Absolute Honesty, go elsewhere.

Like the course the Mutant Kontrollers follow : certain topics and areas are up for discussion - the rest (96%) is off limits. It's like most of these American (and probably European and everywhere else - I haven't looked as it's depressing enough looking at the US ones) website seeking Truth (like "ethernet" or some other utterly pathetic and false name in the US) - they want only so much Truth, not all of it, to be up for discussion on their public web domains. So overall, it looks like everyone's concerned about outing the REALLY evil and pernicious mutants, but in reality, they're concerned only with keeping the lid on everything and everyone through seeded thought.
Very, very evil and destructive. BUt then that's these ZIonist-Illuminati mutants all over. But when you know how to read the signs and symbolism, you don't really need to look to 'icons' for verification or confirmation of what you intuit and feel. It's just too blatantly obvious.
For instance, many new prisons in the UK are being built along the east coast of the country : highly symbolic in Freemasonry: after all, sun rises in the east, sets in the west. And directions and compass points are everything. THey point the way, after all.

Signed: Singularity

[mavis_analogue]

Hi,

I noticed this thread and thought I would offer up some information.

There are big changes going on in society - please bear with me, it's intensely complex and the best thing to do is read the info, discern it, but don't jump to an overall conclusion through negativity - i suggest neutrality, our lives are very precious to our consciousness and feelings.

little things can set off despair or fear.

Luciferian Consciousness - http://www.btinternet.com/~mavisanalogue/devillium65trivillium56.htm

David Icke & Secret Society Membership is directly addressed within the following -
http://www.btinternet.com/~mavisanalogue/artthieves.htm

Now, I am not asking you for anything, I don't care about your opinion on my perception, however, in this crazy fucked-up world, you have to understand that the truth is here.

We refer you to channelling david received regarding a space society within the pages of "Infinite Love is the only truth" - we made the following video single in 2003, the song was released initially in June 2001.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_hOPly1BT8

Does David know the handshake? is that what keeps him alive as they hunt down the evil paedophiles in society?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht3g9T5x3Fs
rockstars know the handshake too.


Does David "support" the illuminati? It is churlish of you to think the illuminati is controlled by so-called lizards or by the network itself.

Magic is the illuminati way.

the Annunaki are defeated - http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog&Mytoken=CB6E1545-2A0D-49BD-A8BD32D878C1002D55160977

Power in an illusion comes through your mind, therefore consciousness is where all power is.

Men with Armies outwith do not rule the universe.

Love

Buddha & Krishna
http://www.chaosica.co.uk
http://www.myspace.com/boywithpigtails

[celtic isis]

We should be asking him and others such as Alex Jones why they don't talk about the role of Jewish Zionism throughout the past 300 years!

Why doesnt Icke criticize Israel as much as he does Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld?

er, but icke does talk about this, and he does criticise isreal, it's all he was bloody talking about in the book i just read for the most part, Tales from the Time Loop!!! i was getting sick of hearing about it to be honest. :confused:

[celtic isis]

Well, just remember this... If they get rid of him right now, that he is a lot popular in the mainstream, could mean that he was right, and his followers could become more and more stronger than now in their convictions. This is exactly what the Illuminati doesn't want. They want you to stay always in the doubt. If you're in the doubt, you leave space to the questions. In this way you believe in something or not. Of course is another state of control, because you put questions that aren't simple to respond.

Even if David could be another master of puppets, and i underline "could be" because i don't feel it, from my point of view it doesn't matter. Not all the Illuminati insiders knows about the agenda, and not all the Illuminati are in agree with it. I did interview many Masons here, and they told me that it could be! If you could read an initiation book (i have many), you could understand how strange they act inside of what they call "The Cover Temple". Isn't that strange that people of Banks, Lawyers, Judges go inside of a building and do strange "pagan" rituals? Look at this picture:

http://www.automiribelli.org/img_post/riunione_massoni.jpg

This came from the Lodge of "Grand Oriente D'Italia". You think that this picture shows the "normality"? It's normal that people with power does meetings like that one? If David is a Mason, is doing a bad job. Why i say thaty? It's simple. I suggest you to view the John Carpenter's "They Live" movie. Basically it's the idea of what David is talking about, and you can see how much does mirror our now days reality. They bring you to follow just "how do you look", and not "how do you think". The idea of the "Get rich or die trying", and while you're busy trying to get rich, "They Live" among us and build their history.

It's enough to watch the television for a couple of hour a day, and you can see it clearly with your own eyes.

The work of David isn't to bring you at the solution "how to get rid of them", but it's to wake you up, in the way you can start to do your own researches, and for me it doesn't matter if he is an historian or not. I'm writing a book in Italy that talk about Stanley Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut" and the more 1380 Illuminati symbols inside. I did this research from my own from about 5 years studying every frames of this movie. I'm not a "pre-programmed" historian, but i know where to go for my researches. How strange that Stanley got only 16 months to direct this movie when normally he needed of years, and how strange that he got an heart attack when the movie was finished. "Eyes Wide Shut" was his personal "disclosure" of this people and how much he was involved with them. Just watch the poster of the movie and you can see it clearly why he is died. In the movie you can find the message: "Once you know, you cannot talk." But he did.

I know. Everything is a "mere" theory, but wonder why in the past all the legends became truth, and the truths became legends.

It's the passion and the intuition that bring you to disclose the facts, not what kind of studies you do or who you are talking with. David is doing a good job giving to you some new points of view. And it's not true that they do not trying to get rid of him. This people knows how to attack you psychically also, not only physically. Please notice the problem of his publisher, that want to stop him selling books. They cannot attack him personally, because is too famous now, so they are trying with the people around him. :confused:

exactly andreadoria ;) Brilliant everything you just said!
and great link at the bottom too, though i can't read italian, only french :(

[awakensong]

I simply don't trust the "Oneness" message in general, the way it is being presented by most popular teachers. Has anyone read any of the books by Ceanne DeRohan on "The Right Use of Will"? Or the articles at Montalk and many other places about Organic Portals, Robotoid Humans, and souls who are evolving towards evil, or what is called the "sleeping side" of the creator?

If these articles are true, then up to half of the current world population do not have souls and are here to keep the Matrix Status Quo. They are said to usually be normal, upstanding citizens who don't wish to harm others or break the law, but they only have the lower chakras and no spirituality. This could explain why there are atheists -- nothing to connect with?

A "failed" OP is said to be when someone becomes a psychopath, etc. Even if none of this turns out to be true, it is the first and only explanation I have seen so far as to why so many people just never "get it" or "wake up" or want to care or change anything for the better.

[james777]

[B] Is David Icke part of the illuminati?[/B

Most likely, as in, Hell yes!!!

Any real truth sayer with real influence has been put to death....ie.....Dr. King, Malcolm X, JFK.....many others......the simple fact of his dominance on these subjects proves, to me, that he is just another puppet on another string doing the bidding of the Illuminati..........Why do you think they allow this web-site to be open?....Exactly, so they can see what we know, plant more propaganda and track us......all in one..........we make it so easy for them.....

[andreadoria]

[B] Is David Icke part of the illuminati?[/B

Most likely, as in, Hell yes!!!

Any real truth sayer with real influence has been put to death....ie.....Dr. King, Malcolm X, JFK.....many others......the simple fact of his dominance on these subjects proves, to me, that he is just another puppet on another string doing the bidding of the Illuminati..........Why do you think they allow this web-site to be open?....Exactly, so they can see what we know, plant more propaganda and track us......all in one..........we make it so easy for them.....

So you think to be the only one here really disconnected from the matrix ah? What you say correspond exactly of the same "programmed" minds that the Illuminati are growing on this poor planet. Be a person that have "influence" on some millions, it's not exactly the same like the thousands millions of Malcolm X and JFK. They "leave him in peace", but David have a lot of problems actually, because they knows that their project of mind programming people have done a real good job. They knows that the people doesn't believe in this stuff, of course! Who can believe a thing like that? People like me doesn't expect something different. Some millions that talk about the Agenda, are not dangerous for the agenda. Thousands of course yes.

As i told you in the Reps thread, you just "see", you just "look" with your lying eyes, but you're not good in the art of observing, and you cannot observe only with your eyes, but with the light that you've inside.

[chattanova]

Could David Icke be part of the illuminati agenda?. Maybe a wolf in sheeps clothing. Maybe this whole thing is a double bluff and David Icke is a high ranking mason.

If Icke is so dangerous to the illuminati with his exposure why dont they just get rid of him? For the illuminati it would be easy acidents etc simple.:eek:

If they 'get rid of him' they would do one man's fight into a crusade.

[awakensong]

If they 'get rid of him' they would do one man's fight into a crusade.
Then why didn't that happen after both Kennedys' assassinations and also that of MLK, Jr., et al?

[wence72]

Once one understands that one is infinite energy that cannot be destroyed and that EVERYTHING is here for you and a part of you, then one steps beyond fear and cannot be touched. What you ask for you shall receive. Choose unconditional love and no one can interfere with your free will.

Life has no meaning except what you give it.
Choose, Believe, Be.

Beautifully said!

Amitoufo,

Vinny

[james777]

ANDREADORIA;

your quote, "So you think to be the only one here really disconnected from the matrix ah? What you say correspond exactly of the same "programmed" minds that the Illuminati are growing on this poor planet. Be a person that have "influence" on some millions, it's not exactly the same like the thousands millions of Malcolm X and JFK. They "leave him in peace", but David have a lot of problems actually, because they knows that their project of mind programming people have done a real good job. They knows that the people doesn't believe in this stuff, of course! Who can believe a thing like that? People like me doesn't expect something different. Some millions that talk about the Agenda, are not dangerous for the agenda. Thousands of course yes.

As i told you in the Reps thread, you just "see", you just "look" with your lying eyes, but you're not good in the art of observing, and you cannot observe only with your eyes, but with the light that you've inside."
__________________

No offense here, but I don't understand what the fuck you're saying.........

[ho1ogram]

Any real truth sayer with real influence has been put to death....ie.....Dr. King, Malcolm X, JFK.....many others......the simple fact of his dominance on these subjects proves, to me, that he is just another puppet on another string doing the bidding of the Illuminati..........Why do you think they allow this web-site to be open?....Exactly, so they can see what we know, plant more propaganda and track us......all in one..........we make it so easy for them.....

I am a real truth sayer and I have real influence and I haven't been put to death.

There are plenty of us here. (Put your hands up!)

The illuminati lives inside you. If you say "what can I do I'm just Joe Bloggs" then you give in to the Illuminati. If you say "I am Joe Bloggs and this is the way I see the world and I don't care what anybody else thinks" then you defeat the Illuminati.

It's a choice. The choice between love and fear. Speak your truth and those who have ears will listen.

[auron]

The illuminati lives inside you. If you say "what can I do I'm just Joe Bloggs" then you give in to the Illuminati. If you say "I am Joe Bloggs and this is the way I see the world and I don't care what anybody else thinks" then you defeat the Illuminati

Thats one of the best ways i've heard someone put it! Nice one.

Auron :)

[infinitely free]

The illuminati lives inside you. If you say "what can I do I'm just Joe Bloggs" then you give in to the Illuminati. If you say "I am Joe Bloggs and this is the way I see the world and I don't care what anybody else thinks" then you defeat the Illuminati

True! They depend on us, not vice-versa!

[mada88]

True! They depend on us, not vice-versa!

"Worker bee's can fly away so to can drones, the queen is the real slave" from fight club. Noone forces you to get up go to work etc etc this dictatorship is a physic one. Fear is the don.

[masonic3]

"Worker bee's can fly away so to can drones, the queen is the real slave" from fight club. Noone forces you to get up go to work etc etc this dictatorship is a physic one. Fear is the don.

Your quoting a film?:eek: :rolleyes: For you =:o

[chattanova]

Then why didn't that happen after both Kennedys' assassinations and also that of MLK, Jr., et al?

Maybe because more people are 'wakened' now than then...

[awakensong]

So why isn't it happening now that we are so much more "wakened"?

[singularities]

Why do all the public speakers and broadcasters on the NWO and Illuminati emphasise the dominance of the Catholic and Jesuits religions, when all so-called 'religions' (cults and fascists) dictate and forecast the '2nd Coming' and return of the Messiah - who's Jewish. Well more likely to be a Zionist-Jew, but certainly a member of the race that they're all hiding behind. So does it really matter who's ahead of whom when all the 'disciplines' point to the same thing - return of the Messiah?
And why don't any of them talk about the huge importance and relevance of Symbolism and secret languages used by the Illuminati to convey agendas and hide their puppets behind?
I smell a rat ..........
:mad:

[celtic isis]

I am a real truth sayer and I have real influence and I haven't been put to death.

There are plenty of us here. (Put your hands up!)

The illuminati lives inside you. If you say "what can I do I'm just Joe Bloggs" then you give in to the Illuminati. If you say "I am Joe Bloggs and this is the way I see the world and I don't care what anybody else thinks" then you defeat the Illuminati.

It's a choice. The choice between love and fear. Speak your truth and those who have ears will listen.

EXACTLY!!! :D

Can you see my hand from here lol

They need us, we don't need them...it's so good to be free and to make a difference but carefully lol :)

[celtic isis]

Why do all the public speakers and broadcasters on the NWO and Illuminati emphasise the dominance of the Catholic and Jesuits religions, when all so-called 'religions' (cults and fascists) dictate and forecast the '2nd Coming' and return of the Messiah - who's Jewish. Well more likely to be a Zionist-Jew, but certainly a member of the race that they're all hiding behind. So does it really matter who's ahead of whom when all the 'disciplines' point to the same thing - return of the Messiah?
And why don't any of them talk about the huge importance and relevance of Symbolism and secret languages used by the Illuminati to convey agendas and hide their puppets behind?
I smell a rat ..........
:mad:

i see your point singularities...people just need to listen to their hearts, not follow anyone, i mean, i have huge respect for icke but i don't follow him blindly. though at the same time, i don't think icke puts the blame on any one group, only the illuminati themselves... i know my own mind and i do my own hunting for truth...i know it's so annoying there can be good people voicing out about the NWO and then you find it's annoying christian site or something...Religon is the cause of much of our probs lol

and the sooner the human race realises that 's there's no messiah coming down any time to save us, that it's up to us to save ourselves, the better, the sooner we get out of this mess lol

[i am all i am]

I am a real truth sayer and I have real influence and I haven't been put to death.

There are plenty of us here. (Put your hands up!)

The illuminati lives inside you. If you say "what can I do I'm just Joe Bloggs" then you give in to the Illuminati. If you say "I am Joe Bloggs and this is the way I see the world and I don't care what anybody else thinks" then you defeat the Illuminati.

It's a choice. The choice between love and fear. Speak your truth and those who have ears will listen.

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LOVE IN US ALL

I AM A TRUTHSAYER,
A SPIRITUAL GUIDE,
TO SHOW YOU THE PLAYER,
THAT LOVE IS INSIDE.

SO ENTER THE GAME,
YOUR LIFE IS YOUR CHOICE,
AND CALL OUT YOUR NAME,
WITH LOVE IN YOUR VOICE.

FOR LOVE IS THE REASON,
THAT WE ARE ALL HERE,
AN EXPERIENCE EACH SEASON,
FOR SOUL TO SHINE CLEAR.

SO MAKE YOUR DECISION,
GIVE FORTH YOUR CALL,
IT'S TIME FOR THE EXPRESSION,
OF THE LOVE IN US ALL.



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[celtic isis]

beautiful :) I am all i am thanks for that :)

hehe i just spotted that masonic 3 has been banned? Blimey, what did you do to get banned on this site masonic lol :eek:

it's too funny :D that's some feat :D

[i am all i am]

beautiful I am all i am thanks for that

hehe i just spotted that masonic 3 has been banned? Blimey, what did you do to get banned on this site masonic lol

it's too funny that's some feat

You're welcome Celtic Isis.

As to masonic3...well, a picture tells a thousand words, so they say, so here's 9, 000 words for you about it...



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[ho1ogram]

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and...
beautiful I am all i am thanks for that
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[singularities]

Oh but you're wrong about there being no Messiah coming down to 'save' us. And it's not us - this one's a secular New Messiah, saving only those who are a) Jewish b)Zionist c) got LOADSA MONEY ........
He's all wrapped up in symbolism, perfect numbers (yes, con artists, liars and cheats need all the help from perfection and spirituality that they can get), hidden or gnostic knowledge and the symbolism of other people.
"Why can't they tell us all who he is, so we can worship at his feet and idolise him?" I hear you ask. Well cos a) some people already do (not knowing he's supposed to be a 'Messiah') and b) he's anything but the real deal.
This is why the Illuminati wear the Ourobouros ring (serpent eating its tail - or should that be 'rat' eating its tail ???). Because they set the world up for destruction, chaos, poverty, diseased bodies and minds, manipulation and perversion through denying everyone the crucial knowledge of our real natures.
Then "hey presto", they arrive like superman on the doorstep to save the day, all dressed up as local heroes and proclaiming themselves to be God.
Just don't expect any miracles - unless you're Jewish/Zionist/Loadsa Money.

It's got Zionist-Illuminati written all over it.
Depressing or what?

[celtic isis]

Ok, getting back to whether or not David is working for the illuminati...

I started to read "The Robot's Rebellion" yesterday and well, what a book!
What i've noticed though from the books i have bought and downloaded of his, there are quite a lot of typing errors and also grammatical errors too...esspecially in Robot's Reb, which i find really sweet, like, it shows how human Icke is, and also how much he must really stuggle trying to type with his arthritis...also he may not have had proof readers etc and was just lucky to get the books (early books) published in the first place. There probably wasn't much time or resources to check the typing...

i think this really backs up how genuine and sincere his is in his work...of course, i do my own sniffing about and just don't rely soley on icke, he has got truth written all over him though...it's just, what was his most recent book published? i think he may have changed a bit...

I'm not sure if he's been so mesmerised by the rep thing that maybe he's lost himself slightly...i don't know, are there any recent interviews or anything available on youtube or google? I know i didn't like the way icke was portrayed form what i saw in the Brandon Corey story...i just know that when icke began he was completely truthful and just like you or me when we began on this path too.

anyway, i'm going back to devour Robot's Reb later on, and trying to read the 'Biggest Secret' at the same time lol :o

i also noticed while peeping through 'biggest secret' that Icke dedicated it to a guy called Royal, who i'm sure is the guy who has since stolen the rights to david's work...aww and he dedicated the book to him, what a bastard that guy is! The royal guy i mean! :mad:

[mada88]

Your quoting a film?:eek: :rolleyes: For you =:o

Yes I quoted fight club amazing film, if you get it.

[chandrakavi]

Among other people THE BIGGEST SECRET is dedicated
to Royal and Pamela. As far as I know David's daughter's name is Pamela,
so I don't think he would place such a wicked guys's name beside his
daughter's. If it is his daughter's name we are talking about.

The guy who stole his work is a wicked, twisted, good thief,illuminati minded,
who can only steal another man's work since he is not creative and cannot do it out of his mediocre being.

[infinitely free]

who can only steal another man's work since he is not creative and cannot do it out of his mediocre being.

not sure what you mean

Davids books don't need to be creative, they just give information!

[celtic isis]

Among other people THE BIGGEST SECRET is dedicated
to Royal and Pamela. As far as I know David's daughter's name is Pamela,
so I don't think he would place such a wicked guys's name beside his
daughter's. If it is his daughter's name we are talking about.

The guy who stole his work is a wicked, twisted, good thief,illuminati minded,
who can only steal another man's work since he is not creative and cannot do it out of his mediocre being.

pamela is icke's wife's name isnt it? hi daughter's name is jenny or kerry or something like that. I'll go for kerry.

yeah but icke put his name there BEFORE all this happened!!!

[celtic isis]

not sure what you mean

Davids books don't need to be creative, they just give information!

exactly, he stole all his research work!!!! bloody hell :rolleyes:

[mada88]

I want you in-formation with the others.

[celtic isis]

I want you in-formation with the others.

eh? :confused:

[singularities]

We should be asking him and others such as Alex Jones why they don't talk about the role of Jewish Zionism throughout the past 300 years!

Why doesnt Icke criticize Israel as much as he does Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld?

I also wonder why David Icke doesn't talk about the MASSIVE importance (in fact paranoia on part of Zionist-Illuminati) and significance (well they've only got 'brainding' to prove they're enlightened - no natural spirituality or goodness or indeed LIGHT) of symbolism. Particularly when he is covered in it, from his name through to the place he lives, the videos he releases and including the people who work for him - i.e. their names/initials i.e. symbolism. Judged from a purely symbolic point of view it looks to me like he's promoting the Zionist-ILluminati, so it would be 'nice' to know the Truth. Notwithstanding all the valuable info he's put out over the years. Just seems we're taken so far .......... the Reptiles (oooooh scary) and that's it.
But he has told us all that the future is an imprisoned population. Hopefully everyone can work that one out - it's what's bound to happen if an essential piece of the 'essentials' pie, i.e. MONEY, is taken out and controlled and limited by a fascist-Zionist bunch of people.

[infinitely free]

I want you in-formation with the others.

That's second thread, yo mention 'in-formation'! What do you mean :o?

[john white]

I also wonder why David Icke doesn't talk about the MASSIVE importance (in fact paranoia on part of Zionist-Illuminati) and significance (well they've only got 'brainding' to prove they're enlightened - no natural spirituality or goodness or indeed LIGHT) of symbolism. Particularly when he is covered in it, from his name through to the place he lives, the videos he releases and including the people who work for him - i.e. their names/initials i.e. symbolism. Judged from a purely symbolic point of view it looks to me like he's promoting the Zionist-ILluminati, so it would be 'nice' to know the Truth. Notwithstanding all the valuable info he's put out over the years. Just seems we're taken so far .......... the Reptiles (oooooh scary) and that's it.
But he has told us all that the future is an imprisoned population. Hopefully everyone can work that one out - it's what's bound to happen if an essential piece of the 'essentials' pie, i.e. MONEY, is taken out and controlled and limited by a fascist-Zionist bunch of people.

Biggest Secret: Symbolism? Check
Children of the Matrix: Symbolism? Check
Tales from the Timeloop: Symbolism? Check
Infinite Love: Symbolism? Yep

Video Talks: Symbolism? Check?

Of course the thing about symbolism is that symbols have no innate power whatsoever on their own: they require an observer to do that

The associations you make about symbols above are derived entirely from the associations made within your own mind: if one is told a symbol means something, and one accepts that symbol definition, that is what the symbol signifies from then on, until one challenges one's own aceptance

Half the "trick" with symbol magic (sigils) is thus getting the observer to "buy in" to the illusion that the symbol means anything without the observers own free will choice

[mk72]

eh? :confused:

He means
Like in the army - get in a formation like a regiment would;)

[william_mac]

Listen. As we all know, or should know, there is a fine line between truth, and insanity.

I have not ever been, in my entire life, a consipiracy theorist. I have simply watched history and have stored away indisputable facts. All throughout history many major empires have had a number of conspiracies, therefore I never ruled conspiracies out in our modern times, as if we are some how above them. On the contrary, I believe in the American system of "checks and balances" and believe the government should be checked and balanced by the people constantly. In addition, I do believe people should be weary of ambition by people in power, but not overly scrutinizing. Simply study, look at the facts, and form an opinion.

Now, this whole business about the illuminati. Yes, a lot of it is true; however, a lot of it is complete bullshit. The most die hard conspiracy theorist are simply people who are bored, do nothing for their community or government, and sit around trying to concoct theories about everyone. This is going TOO FAR!

Don't take yourself too seriously. Don't set out to make something a conspiracy. The "Illuminati" are people just the same as us. They don't have special powers, they only have implemented control because of ambition. But why blame everything on them? They have to take a shit every day, they get drunk, they put their clothes on just like us.

To go so far as to suspect such a hardworking guy like David Icke to be an Illuminati is sheer fear, boredom, and superfluous conspiracy.

The man emberrassed himself, and I saw the clips. He works hard, despite the fact that he is ridiculed. What kind of major media support does he have? Whatever bit he does have, he worked hard to create.

I don't respect David Icke for his theories so much as I support him for his hard work. And to consider the Illuminati some kind of end-all-be-all force who can do whatever in the fuck they want, is completely stupid.

Instead of talking incessantly about insane ideas, take your information with a grain of salt. Do not fear, do not look through one filter in order to see everything and everyone. The most important thing is education for education's sake, without bias of personal beliefs or society, or whatever you have deleloped into.

David Icke is a hard worker, and that is easy to recognize. He was not born into luxury, or anywhere near it. To question such a down-to-earth fellow is simply crule.

After so much shit the poor guy went through trying to get out these ideas, to have people throw it back in his face as if he's part of the conspiracy must be discouraging to say the least.



- William-Mac.com/Blog
"Learn Yourself Some!"

[cruise4]

The trouble is we don't have access to all the information needed to make informed choices. Consequently everything gets challenged and rightly so. Until we get rid of the NWO and their constructs and get to examine the documents, tech and reality we are bound to guess incorrectly, come to wrong conclusions at times and think the improbable.

That doesn't mean the overall picture isn't becoming clearer with every passing day.

[nickatnoon61]

We should be asking him and others such as Alex Jones why they don't talk about the role of Jewish Zionism throughout the past 300 years!

Why doesnt Icke criticize Israel as much as he does Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld?

Good point!!!!!

[winniewillcocks]

I found this video on youtube the guy talks about David being a mason and apparently they did the secret handshake on him and he got it correct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5snYlYgmzE

He got very scared when he met a mason! check out my comment ;) I go past a masonic lodge every day and I'm fine lol They don't have any control/power secret socities just influence power/control. People are becoming paranoid androids if you ask me.

http://matterik.com/2007/04/david-icke-mason.html

Above is a link to his blog with some interviews with alan watts. I love the name of watts website cutting through the matrix when he doesn't even get out of the five sense conspiracy. Maybe we you ask alan how is it that he knows so much about masonary?

Freemasons won't hurt you, unless you become a problem!

[mariag]

Freemasons won't hurt you, unless you become a problem!

to answer if David is part of the illuminati I can only say that he is not part of any problems he is part of the sulution and i dont think that he would warn us about the illuminati if he was part of it , he would try to make us join ...
Love to the world

[positive terror]

Originally Posted by edro9494
We should be asking him and others such as Alex Jones why they don't talk about the role of Jewish Zionism throughout the past 300 years!

Why doesnt Icke criticize Israel as much as he does Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld?

Good point!!!!!

Very good point!!!, we ALL know that israel is the mother of ALL wars iat this moment on planet earth, and we ALL know that the zionist of israel are at the moment more dangerous than the masons and illuminati.
And we ALL know that the zionist infiltrated the masons and illuminati to have more power and dominate the world, we can see that in te usa.
Dont forget the great danger of the talmud and the protocols of elders of zion(ok, if someone tell me that the protocols are fake, what he gonna say about the talmus, to me the talmud is more dangerous than the protocols)...:( its really not so nice that Mr. Icke and Mr. Jones stay MUTE about that, but Iam happy that at least people like Texe Marrs told very good information in his video MASONIC LODGE OVER JERUSALEM..and a a bit in ILLUMINATI MISTERY BABYLON.

This Site is owned by a group of freedom fighters from different countries in support of Ahmed Rami 's struggle (http://www.radioislam.org/resistance/index.htm)

[kblood]

Freemasons won't hurt you, unless you become a problem!

I kinda believe that as well. And as far as I can tell from Davids writings, he says most Freemasons arent aware about the Illuminati.

To the question about David Icke being Illuminati: If one of their own starting sharing so much about the Illuminiti and what their intentions are, I think they would have managed to stop him very long ago. Wether he is true about how powerfull they are I cant tell so far. Nor about the reptillians.

[kblood]

Very good point!!!, we ALL know that israel is the mother of ALL wars iat this moment on planet earth, and we ALL know that the zionist of israel are at the moment more dangerous than the masons and illuminati.
And we ALL know that the zionist infiltrated the masons and illuminati to have more power and dominate the world, we can see that in te usa.
Dont forget the great danger of the talmud and the protocols of elders of zion(ok, if someone tell me that the protocols are fake, what he gonna say about the talmus, to me the talmud is more dangerous than the protocols)...:( its really not so nice that Mr. Icke and Mr. Jones stay MUTE about that, but Iam happy that at least people like Texe Marrs told very good information in his video MASONIC LODGE OVER JERUSALEM..and a a bit in ILLUMINATI MISTERY BABYLON.

This Site is owned by a group of freedom fighters from different countries in support of Ahmed Rami 's struggle (http://www.radioislam.org/resistance/index.htm)

I dont know how well you know the jews or their intentions, but I myself would have to visit Israel before I would be sure that they are causing so much war. So far I have heard about them defending themself very well against 4 surrounding countries (with the help of USA ofc). Story was told to me by someone in the military though, and he had probably learned some of the history of it from working with Americans in war zones....
But to sum it up: Jews gets their own country (for a really absurd reason). They move in and shortly after the surrounding countries prepare to attack. With the help of US intel about their enemies, they manage to intercept some of the attacking armies and destroy Egypts most important airfields, since US tactic is to win the control of air to win a war. After that is done they have an easier time bombing their enemies to the stoneage I guess.

After winning these 4 wars in 1 though, they did stop that war. The history about it obviously will be different when told by someone from Egypt or one of the other surrounding countries. Most the wars they have been done later, can be explained as the jews defending themselves against terrorist attacks. That reason in my point of view is alot better than George W. Bush's reason for going to war with Iraq.

I guess I should post about this in the jew hating thread as well. Havent seen any jews trying to defend themselves there though :P I guess they arent Icke believers or maybe just shy... or Illuminati. But not all of them, that is something I am sure of.

[singularities]

Biggest Secret: Symbolism? Check
Children of the Matrix: Symbolism? Check
Tales from the Timeloop: Symbolism? Check
Infinite Love: Symbolism? Yep

Video Talks: Symbolism? Check?

Of course the thing about symbolism is that symbols have no innate power whatsoever on their own: they require an observer to do that

The associations you make about symbols above are derived entirely from the associations made within your own mind: if one is told a symbol means something, and one accepts that symbol definition, that is what the symbol signifies from then on, until one challenges one's own aceptance

Half the "trick" with symbol magic (sigils) is thus getting the observer to "buy in" to the illusion that the symbol means anything without the observers own free will choice


I REALLY have to comment on the above ..... no disrespect, but you're obviously one of those 'schills' who goes trolling around all the conspiracy sites looking for problem-posts, or people who get too close to the truth and then either rubbish them or obfuscate what they're saying.

So to what you're saying about symbolism/sigils having no innate power on their own - they need an observer to do that ...... by analogy then you're saying that 9/11 is the fault and problem of all those 'observers' who see symbolism, hidden meanings and ritualistic paranoia threaded into every aspect of it, from the Christ-like numbers (IX = JC and numerous others) to the Tarot symbolism of the Tower falling, etc. You seem to be saying that the only evil and manipulation and perversion in any situation is on the part of those who for some reason 'see' or hear or feel it. No fault whatsoever attributed to the perpetrators who carried out said heinous and utterly evil crimes in order to ILLUSTRATE their pernicious agenda and intent.
The very fact that human beings (even their own 'Jews', if they can help to progress their agenda) are superfluous to requirements - costs nothing to make them - shows just how satanic these Zionist-Illuminati are.

They are so steeped in debauchery, lies, deception and perversion that they believe their own spin. They know they have control over everyone (by controlling the money supply) and just like to ILLUSTRATE it through symbolism. Thus David Icke is CRAWLING with Illuminati-Zionist symbolism and 'sigils', whether he knows it or not. And whether he's one of them or not. They f*ck everything that moves if it serves their purpose. Forget about personal choice. They really do stink.

And what you say about 'challenging' one's own interpretation of the symbolism really is a load of BOLLOCKS, 'mate'. Really. What ARE you doing on this site? All the 'sigils' and symbolism that the Zionist-Illuminati-Masons-MajestYTwelve-Ascended Masters use is not plucked from some imaginary, fluffy-doesn't-it-feel-nice ethereal outer zone of nothingness, it's ALL based and predicated on SCIENCE, scientific principles, maths, geometry and the MASSIVE subconscious that forms the BEDROCK and entire personality/character of any human being. That's what the Crusades were all about ducky!!! That's what Oxford and Cambridge is all about - learning about the secrets of the subconsious and deciding not if you're going to promote the agenda of the Satanic Zionist-Illuminati Brethren, but where in the 'wheel' of complete control and manipulation of the human race you can fit in - or as I'm sure the 'masters' at Ox-Cam say, "Just how far are you willing to bend over, my little friend?" That's it. End of story.

In my world there are those who know nothing about what's going on, right under their noses, via symbolism and the very food/drink they imbibe. And there are those who are promoting it ..... whether they know it or not, which means all those with a high and/or public profile.
Am I right or am I right ??? Why do I get a visual of Marge Gunderson in 'Fargo' saying ...... "You Betcha ......"
I know I'm right.

[singularities]

Referring to the post by Rasnalgoul on alternative visions, the satanic Zionist-Illuminati-Martians-Ascended Masters-Masons et cetera, et cetera et cetera (so many different 'names' hiding the same evil face) are so debauched and evil that they use people - by sacrificing them and draining them of their 'get high' hormones whilst the sacrificial process is going on (we do live in 'EN-GLAND', after all). Anyone watched Fritz Springmeier's videos on mind control and the perverted Illuminati? He's in jail by the way - this is one of their ways of dealing with public threats.
And in response to Andreadoria's earlier postings, the bottom line with all conspiracy speakers or ANYONE at all who is trying to enlighten others, if you pose a threat to them in some way, say by telling everyone who their twisted, psychotic, pseudo Messiah is, or by trying to create a new money supply that will threaten their satanic grip on the means of exchange, or by making a film about them and their rituals (a la Stanley Kubrick) then they'll kill you ..... that is, if they can't f*ck you first by getting you to promote them (David Icke, most other conspiracy speakers) or, if you've got lots of symbolism, you might be chosen to f*ck their stalking, psychotic Messiah, and in this way validate their agenda of the pernicious, satanic and perverted destruction of the ENTIRE human race. Unless you're Jewish/Loadsa Money.
Christ, talk about dire straits ...........
Where's that Messiah to solve our problems ? Oh that's right, he's one of the perverted manipulators that put the evil and chaos in place. Silly me.

[kblood]

Where's that Messiah to solve our problems ? Oh that's right, he's one of the perverted manipulators that put the evil and chaos in place. Silly me.

Hmmm... hope you arent indirectly referring to me :( I have some issues on this matter Im trying to deal with. Sick fantasies about the disciple Judas being here in our world and time and telling me that I am the second comming :eek: Makes me feel like crawling out of my own skin.

Still, those sick fantasies does make my life seem interesting although made up :p Still, I like the idea of having the world in my hands ;) *evil grin* Muuhahaha!!! Bwaaahaahahaaa!!!

Peace and love all :p

[john white]

I REALLY have to comment on the above ..... no disrespect, but you're obviously one of those 'schills' who goes trolling around all the conspiracy sites looking for problem-posts, or people who get too close to the truth and then either rubbish them or obfuscate what they're saying.

LOL! Well thanks for that, I'm obviously one of those dis-info shills, and you can infallably tell that by reading any post with a view you don't like. Thanks for the "no disrespect" bit though :p

Let me ask you this: Do you really have so little faith in yourself that you believe you can be manipulated by an outside force when you know that you can't be?

There's an innate elitism in your own post: a belief that others are vunerable but you are not, becuase you consider yourself more "awakened" ("Enlightened"? "Illuminated"?) than them. I'm sure your quite unaware of it: I don't have a need to believe your "one of those disinfo shills"

Everything I write above about symbols/sigils is manifestly provably true, as you can easily find out for yourself:

For example:

Crucifix: Positive or Negative?

Crescent moon: Positive or Negative?

Swastika: Positive or Negative?

Serpents: Poasitive or Negative?

And so on and on and on....

The Facts are, all of these symbols have been viewed as both by the collective consciousness at different times in different cultures, and different times in the SAME culture: it is entirely a matter of the associations formed by the symbols and the intent with which they are used

Thats why knowledge is neutral: it takes free will to make it dangerous

"Close to "THE" Truth"? The very delusion that anyone could be is certain proof that they are not

We can only be close to our OWN truth, and that is an entirely different manner of thing: we are not the creator and we cannot know all

[singularities]

Quote: Let me ask you this: Do you really have so little faith in yourself that you believe you can be manipulated by an outside force when you know that you can't be?

There's an innate elitism in your own post: a belief that others are vunerable but you are not, becuase you consider yourself more "awakened" ("Enlightened"? "Illuminated"?) than them. I'm sure your quite unaware of it: I don't have a need to believe your "one of those disinfo shills"

"Close to "THE" Truth"? The very delusion that anyone could be is certain proof that they are not

We can only be close to our OWN truth, and that is an entirely different manner of thing: we are not the creator and we cannot know all
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On the contrary, I have inestimable faith in myself, but I know how the Mafia/secret societies work and how they intimidate and manipulate people.

If there's an 'innate elitism' in my comments it's entirely unintended and is borne of experience and seeking after Truth for 13 years: I'm more than receptive to others' versions of Truth, if it stands up to scrutiny. I would wish for nothing more than to be proven wrong in all my horrific insights into the future.

In order to 'know' Truth a person has to be as objective and close to their core of 'nothingness' and non-bias as possible: no preferences or emotions or opinions or 'non-self' must cloud an assessment of 'Truth' if it's going to be honest and, well, 'Truthful'. This is what I see and feel.

There is left in the world two sides: those ignorant of the way every aspect of humanity and 'reality' is manipulated - who believe that everything is as it appears on the 'TV' and in the world, and those who live on the other side of the river, i.e. they know how the Zionist-Illuminati manipulate, coerce and control everyone but what they do with that information is subject to their own conscience, subconscious and 'point' on the human-soul scale.
Hey, they even speak glibly and passionately about their 'spirituality', thus denigrating the TRUE nature of the soul's spiritual nature and identity.
What a CON.

[singularities]

Hmmm... hope you arent indirectly referring to me :( I have some issues on this matter Im trying to deal with. Sick fantasies about the disciple Judas being here in our world and time and telling me that I am the second comming :eek: Makes me feel like crawling out of my own skin.

Still, those sick fantasies does make my life seem interesting although made up :p Still, I like the idea of having the world in my hands ;) *evil grin* Muuhahaha!!! Bwaaahaahahaaa!!!

Peace and love all :p

No, not indirectly referring to you. Unless you have symbolic letters, numbers and other co-ordinates in your birth date, name, birth place and have a high or public profile. The role of (Fake) Messiah needs someone who's already famous but not directly as a 'messiah'.
If that applies to you then they (the Zionist Illuminati) would have been knocking on your door a long time ago. Rather, you would have been "Tapped" long ago.

[davidbarstis]

We should be asking him and others such as Alex Jones why they don't talk about the role of Jewish Zionism throughout the past 300 years!

Why doesnt Icke criticize Israel as much as he does Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld?

Has anyone here read a David Icke book? Hard to convince me with a statement like that especially when he has been sued in Canada for anti-Semetic statements.

[mr_moon]

All this paranoia is amusing. Even if he WAS part of some Masonic Order would it matter?

If you 'follow' someone and believe what they say- isn't that the same thing?

David Icke doesn't push his 'beliefs' he presents information. If you believe it then that's your problem- if you don't believe it then that's you problem too.

The Question that REALLY needs to be asked is:

"Do you know yourself?"

[hania]

Hi all this is my first post and have read the thread with interest but I have noticed that no one has tried to check out the address,
http://www.lodgeofangels.blogspot.com/
If you remove blogspot from the address then it goes to a talktalk page saying the page is not available, therefore this site is not a lodge site and is someones joke attempt at discrediting him.

IMO it is a good point raised that they control both sides of a situation and we have seen it many times in the past, such as WWII and from one point of view, how better to have someone gain popularity in the long run than to be discredited and ridiculed to then go on to make lots of money writing his books.

On the other hand since I have seen some of his seminars and read some of his books and done my own digging a lot of what he has to say is perfectly credibal and enough to make you angry with what is happening in the world today.

Don't get me wrong though, I do not believe he is under their control, just saying IMO that what better way to make an idea go mainstream in the long run.
Look at global warming, and I'm an environmental scientist, first they said we were going to have an ice age, then things go pear shaped and start warming up for reasons other than mans pollution, so discrediting science and putting doubt into peoples minds for years about it until it becomes so obvious that its to late.

[celtic isis]

Has anyone here read a David Icke book? Hard to convince me with a statement like that especially when he has been sued in Canada for anti-Semetic statements.

exactly, i commented on this before! tales from the time loop anyone? :D

[celtic isis]

All this paranoia is amusing. Even if he WAS part of some Masonic Order would it matter?

If you 'follow' someone and believe what they say- isn't that the same thing?

David Icke doesn't push his 'beliefs' he presents information. If you believe it then that's your problem- if you don't believe it then that's you problem too.

The Question that REALLY needs to be asked is:

"Do you know yourself?"

in a word...FANTASTIC mr moon :D

you're too wise for your own good!

[celtic isis]

Hi all this is my first post and have read the thread with interest but I have noticed that no one has tried to check out the address,
http://www.lodgeofangels.blogspot.com/
If you remove blogspot from the address then it goes to a talktalk page saying the page is not available, therefore this site is not a lodge site and is someones joke attempt at discrediting him.

IMO it is a good point raised that they control both sides of a situation and we have seen it many times in the past, such as WWII and from one point of view, how better to have someone gain popularity in the long run than to be discredited and ridiculed to then go on to make lots of money writing his books.

On the other hand since I have seen some of his seminars and read some of his books and done my own digging a lot of what he has to say is perfectly credibal and enough to make you angry with what is happening in the world today.

Don't get me wrong though, I do not believe he is under their control, just saying IMO that what better way to make an idea go mainstream in the long run.
Look at global warming, and I'm an environmental scientist, first they said we were going to have an ice age, then things go pear shaped and start warming up for reasons other than mans pollution, so discrediting science and putting doubt into peoples minds for years about it until it becomes so obvious that its to late.

welcome hania :D

great post, thanks for the tip too, regarding the link...

[i_am]

Hi all this is my first post and have read the thread with interest but I have noticed that no one has tried to check out the address,
http://www.lodgeofangels.blogspot.com/
If you remove blogspot from the address then it goes to a talktalk page saying the page is not available, therefore this site is not a lodge site and is someones joke attempt at discrediting him.

IMO it is a good point raised that they control both sides of a situation and we have seen it many times in the past, such as WWII and from one point of view, how better to have someone gain popularity in the long run than to be discredited and ridiculed to then go on to make lots of money writing his books.

On the other hand since I have seen some of his seminars and read some of his books and done my own digging a lot of what he has to say is perfectly credibal and enough to make you angry with what is happening in the world today.

Don't get me wrong though, I do not believe he is under their control, just saying IMO that what better way to make an idea go mainstream in the long run.
Look at global warming, and I'm an environmental scientist, first they said we were going to have an ice age, then things go pear shaped and start warming up for reasons other than mans pollution, so discrediting science and putting doubt into peoples minds for years about it until it becomes so obvious that its to late.

Hello hania and welcome to the forum.

The reason that nobody here addressed that particular reference is because it was proven to be photoshopped when first posted. Some people like to play games :rolleyes:

[hania]

Thanks for the welcome Celtic_Isis and I_am, good to know people can see through things like that.

[trumansho]

Could David Icke be part of the illuminati agenda?. Maybe a wolf in sheeps clothing. Maybe this whole thing is a double bluff and David Icke is a high ranking mason.

If Icke is so dangerous to the illuminati with his exposure why dont they just get rid of him? For the illuminati it would be easy acidents etc simple.:eek:

I read on somewhere some of these conspiracy sites are apart of the illuminati and will try to keep track of you. No implying that david's one of them,but I did read that somewhere.

[trumansho]

And howcome nobody tried to kill Icke,before he went mainstream like william cooper?

[revolution 9]

Because Icke wasn't in military intelligence, and he didn't turn around and spread classified information :P

[trumansho]

Has anyone here read a David Icke book? Hard to convince me with a statement like that especially when he has been sued in Canada for anti-Semetic statements.I read somewhere that the zionist,mason and rothschild are all underneath the reps and take orders from there and they will kill and use their own people.

[adamadam]

These pages contain tools for deciding if someone is social or anti-social.

http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/SH11.HTM

http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/SH11_2.HTM

The only people I've seen David Icke attack are those who are anti-liberty and who distort or cover-up the truth.
I'm a Scientologist first and an Icke fan second, but I'd say someone indicating that Icke is an anti-social person would be because either a) they lack the tools to tell or b) because they're anti-social themselves.

[celtic isis]

Because Icke wasn't in military intelligence, and he didn't turn around and spread classified information :P

yep that's it :)

RIP Cooper :(

Watch this clip, they don't even need to kill icke, the media do it for them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjBOk4YLAtQ

hehe don't hold back there phillip :D

i actually think phillip could quite possibly be a rep himself, he's very agitated by having david around isn't he!

Anyone out of UK area phillip scofield is one of the most COUGH popular tv presenters...not sure of the spelling of his surname there but never mind. Here they (he and fern) are hosting This Morning, popula mainstream chat for the sheeples...

Fern Britton (the lady presenter) does make an interesting comment amazingly however...it's just a mumble really, a quick slip comment but she seems to think that the reptilian stuff in david's books are just there to make them best sellers...???

Maybe so, is this to get the info about on the NWO by making people more curious about what this whole rep thing is about or is it all disinfo?

To be honest i'd say it's neither. I know david isn't out to make money. I know the rep heritage on this planet is quite possible even likely to be real...and his books are best sellers cause they tell you stuff you'd never see anywhere else in mainstream, yet makes more sense than mainstream!

In any case, if we do get an influx of reps appearing in the coming years, maybe we could get Fern to eat them. LOLZ

[celtic isis]

Thanks for the welcome Celtic_Isis and I_am, good to know people can see through things like that.

you're very welcome hania :)

[celtic isis]

These pages contain tools for deciding if someone is social or anti-social.

http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/SH11.HTM

http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/SH11_2.HTM

The only people I've seen David Icke attack are those who are anti-liberty and who distort or cover-up the truth.
I'm a Scientologist first and an Icke fan second, but I'd say someone indicating that Icke is an anti-social person would be because either a) they lack the tools to tell or b) because they're anti-social themselves.

hi there adamadam :)

sorry if you've been asked this before but as a scientologist yourself, what does scientolgoy make of people like icke?

[adamadam]

Hi!

If by like Icke you mean free-thinkers, people who don't accept authority without question and who go out and observe the world for themselves and make an effort to uncover disinformation and reject the suppression of populations, then we're all for them. :)

[celtic isis]

Hi!

If by like Icke you mean free-thinkers, people who don't accept authority without question and who go out and observe the world for themselves and make an effort to uncover disinformation and reject the suppression of populations, then we're all for them. :)

kool! thanks for replying adamadam :)

i don't know much about scientology, though there was a very interesting documentary about it sunday evening, regarding tom cruise...i'll have to come back another time have to cook right now lol

[adamadam]

You're welcome. :)

[logan 5]

I have often wondered how David Icke got his books into the mainstream American bookstores ( like Barnes and Noble and Borders ) before he started going on Art Bell and George Noory's show?

No one knew him..yet his books took up shelf space in the " new-age " section of the bookstore.

Just curious...

[revolution 9]

He was on Art Bell? hahahahaha

[geronimo]

Judging by the threads lately, a lot of people seem to have a limited understanding of the Illuminati. In the scheme of things it doesn't matter whether Icke is alive or dead because... the universe only exists for, and because of, you.

The illuminati is just the physical manifestation of the fear vibration, without which we wouldn't be able to experience this 'reality', a duality based experience.

Once one understands that one is infinite energy that cannot be destroyed and that EVERYTHING is here for you and a part of you, then one steps beyond fear and cannot be touched. What you ask for you shall receive. Choose unconditional love and no one can interfere with your free will.

You can explore these themes further in the 'Predator of Man' http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1748 and Conversations with God http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1793 threads.

Life has no meaning except what you give it.
Choose, Believe, Be.
Imo I reckon that is what David Icke has done.

That's just the way I see it too, and the ideas about David being a freemason are pretty ludicrous given that he's repeatedly exposed them in so many ways over the years. As for 'getting rid of him', Alex Jones is still alive, so is Jeff Rense - Why? because 'they' know perfectly well that creating matyrs is a guaranteed formula for churning out a million more David Ickes, Jeff Renses and Alex Joneses. Besides, they provide a valuable service to the Illuminati, information about the 'opposition' and what they know

'These people' i.e., the shadow side, the Illuminati, whatever you like to call them - in Jungian terms you can see this as the dark side of the psyche that exist within all of us - just a 'physical' manifestation of the fear vibration as you rightly point out. One thing they can't bear is exposure - the light of exposure, so they operate through deception, division, duplicity, confusion - the opposite of truth gives them fertile ground. That's why whenever Bush opens his mouth it's almost always to tell a lie, because that's their upside-down language.

'The dark side' is probably wetting its pants right now, if Benjamin Fulford and
Tim Rifat are correct about the challenge to the Illuminati from a Chinese secret society. Check out that particular story on rense. com and judge for yourself. I hope it doesn't conclude violently, because then we will see reprisals.
Could this be a hopeful sign of an attempt to 'dialogue' with the dark side?
Remember in the last Matrix film Neo (the 'One') ultimately fuses with the agent - a beautiful piece of Jungian symbolism.

Someone is 'pulling the plug' on the economy. Do I sense a note of desperation here?

geronimo

[nickatnoon61]

We should be asking him and others such as Alex Jones why they don't talk about the role of Jewish Zionism throughout the past 300 years!

Why doesnt Icke criticize Israel as much as he does Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld?


That is my major concern also DB! It is very suspicious imo!!!

[revolution 9]

How do you guys figure he doesn't focus on Israel? He has whole chapters on Zionism and is decried as an anti-Semite.

[asentinel]

HI there. I think the question is framed in fear/cynicism/skepticism/negativity manifested, which is always a dangerous vibration to touch or get stuck in. Please be careful where you put your attention and intention. Even to suggest that another person be done away with, to make room for that possibility in your psyche is not a healthy place to be.

I have recently found an excellent book, by Lynne McTaggart, THE INTENTION EXPERIMENT (how your thoughts can change the world). She is also the author of the book called THE FIELD, about quantum physics. You may like to look at both of them.

I find much gratitude for David's self sacrifices and willingness to put himself on the line to be a target in this manner.

We could all try to play our part to lift the planetary vibration, and that in itself will bring us personally to a peaceful place.

regards.

[trumansho]

I believe he is just like Alex jones was exposed he was to. Some one told me also not to trust people with the K/11 as the last letter of their name. It's a negative entity.

[trumansho]

And why haven't the elite tried to kill Icke or jones like they did cooper?

[lostinstrangeworld]

I haven't read through this thread, but I feel this will answer your questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=833ZNpOI6Sg


It is one of the parts of a fascinating radio interview with Credo Mutwa. Here they are in order:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1C6RzdSUvE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMZA9jOk2F4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aZB_b2ZIm0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEBANTPpDBM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA_ZopOcTKk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFr0eTmMNa4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KNFwRZm59M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njSbDCMR1CE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fteuUSV_KrE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxDX9i8AmIE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsOZJkzPHjo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=833ZNpOI6Sg

[irie_dave]

And why haven't the elite tried to kill Icke or jones like they did cooper?

Because Cooper stopped paying income taxes like the Browns have. Why does everyone miss this obvious point?

[irie_dave]

HI there. I think the question is framed in fear/cynicism/skepticism/negativity manifested, which is always a dangerous vibration to touch or get stuck in.


Agreed

[mada88]

Maybe we are all part of the "illuminati" (system) we do live in there system and we do fight to protect our cage (great matrix line) hmmmmm.

[kingdom]

Wether david icke is a part of illuminy anything or not,there will be no "secret agency" taking over anything,its all been covered,I can assure you,nothing negative will prevail,it will perish,how quickly is up to us,THE PEOPLE.

[lostinstrangeworld]

When fear is the dominating factor of people's psyche it distorts their viewpoint and denies them their rightful connection with their intuition and higher selves.

"Judgment is the antithesis of understanding".

David Icke.....a part of the Illuminati? Are you kidding me?

He has not been killed simply because he does not allow negativity to get drawn into his life through negative/ fearful/ hateful thoughts as he says in the interview....I think it was part 12.

[serpentoffire]

Illumitati means in Italian enlightened. If David is an illumitato, I am too.
I don't think that David is part of freemasonry deception.
Someone, in spiritual form, gave him some messages to spread to humanity.
You have to take this gifts and start your awakening.
I'm grateful for this initial spark. My fire is now growing.

[clint web]

I think his reptilian theories protect him - he can never be really taken seriously and therefore is seen as a madman in the general publics eyes.

He's also very new age with his infinite consciousness or whatever he calls it - this makes him sound like a harmless old hippy.

He does talk good sense about the symbolism of power and of 9/11 being an inside job but that is swallowed up by theories in my first two paragraphs.

He also claimed to be the son of god - which helps to protect him.

He's very good for the front men of the Illuminati like Sean Hannity, if someone where to call Hannity and say that they thought 9/11 was an inside job, all he would have to say is - "yeah, that's what David Icke believes and we all know about his theories" he'd then play the twilight zone music and laugh in that smug way.

[strider]

My God.. This has to be THE most boring and worn out thread subject ever on this forum............................................. .............Bar fucking none....

[strider]

ok, first off, it doesn't matter if icke is a mason or not, masons aren't bad people, my oh is a mason lol, of course it all depends on the kind of lodge etc. Freemasonry has a lot of tools, basically in the esoteric knowledge, the study of it, that give people tools to get on in life, to understand the mysteriers of life.

Does it not worry you that he is taking part in satanic rituals without him even possibly knowing?

The 31st 32nd and 33rd initiation rites were designed by Crowley who openly admitted to killing goats as they were having sex with women... And hinted at rituals where young children were sacrificed!

[clint web]

The same thing has been asked about Alex Jones. That is also mind numbingly tedious.

[infinitely free]

I think his reptilian theories protect him - he can never be really taken seriously and therefore is seen as a madman in the general publics eyes.

He's also very new age with his infinite consciousness or whatever he calls it - this makes him sound like a harmless old hippy.

He does talk good sense about the symbolism of power and of 9/11 being an inside job but that is swallowed up by theories in my first two paragraphs.

He also claimed to be the son of god - which helps to protect him.

He's very good for the front men of the Illuminati like Sean Hannity, if someone where to call Hannity and say that they thought 9/11 was an inside job, all he would have to say is - "yeah, that's what David Icke believes and we all know about his theories" he'd then play the twilight zone music and laugh in that smug way.

Yeh...,
whatever clint...!

[clint web]

infinitely free,

You don't think his critics jump on these things?

[infinitely free]

infinitely free,

You don't think his critics jump on these things?

they probably do!

[premasai]

http://www.cyberclass.net/million$claim.htm

Court File No. 02-CV-237691 SR

Ontario
Superior Court of Justice

Between

RICHARD WARMAN

Plaintiff

DAVID ICKE, BRIDGE OF LOVE PUBLICATIONS, PREFERRED NETWORK, BANYEN BOOKS, ETERNAL MOMENT BOOKSTORE, BIOSFAIRE, TOM KENNEDY, SEEKERS BOOKS, KNOWLEDGE BOOKSTORE, and BOULE DE NEIGE

Defendants

STATEMENT OF CLAIM

TO THE DEFENDANTS

A LEGAL PROCEEDING HAS BEEN COMMENCED AGAINST YOU by the Plaintiff. The claim made against you is set out in the following pages.

IF YOU WISH TO DEFEND THIS PROCEEDING, you or an Ontario lawyer acting for you must prepare a statement of defense in Form 18A prescribed by the Rules of Civil Procedure, serve it on the Plaintiff's lawyer or, where the Plaintiff does not have a lawyer, serve it on the Plaintiff, and file it, with proof of service, in this court office, WITHIN TWENTY DAYS after this statement of claim is served on you, if you are served in Ontario.

If you are served in another province or territory of Canada or in the United States of America, the period for serving and filing your statement of defense is forty days. If you are served outside Canada and the United States of America, the period is sixty days.

Instead of serving and filing a statement of defense, you may serve and file a notice of intent to defend in Form 18B prescribed by the Rules of Civil Procedure. This will entitle you to ten more days within which to serve and file your statement of defense.

IF YOU FAIL TO DEFEND THIS PROCEEDING, JUDGEMENT MAY BE GIVEN AGAINST YOU IN YOUR ABSENCE AND WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE TO YOU. IF YOU WISH TO DEFEND THIS PROCEEDING BUT ARE UNABLE TO PAY LEGAL FEES, LEGAL AID MAY BE AVAILABLE TO YOU BY CONTACTING A LOCAL LEGAL AID OFFICE.

IF YOU PAY THE PLAINTIFF'S CLAIM, and the $1,000.00 for costs, within the time for serving and filing your statement of defense, you may move to have this proceeding dismissed by the court. If you believe the amount claimed for costs is excessive, you may pay the Plaintiff's claim and $400.00 for costs and have the costs assessed by the court.

Date: October 17, 2002 Issued by S. Gatt
Local Registrar

Address of the court office: 393 University Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada

To:
David Icke
Bridge of Love Publications (United Kingdom)
Preferred Network (Salmon Arm, BC)
Banyen Books (Vancouver, B.C.)
Eternal Moment Books (Toronto, Ont.)
Biosfaire (Montreal, Quebec)
Tom Kennedy (Ottawa)
Seekers Books (Toronto, Ont.)
Knowledge Bookstore (Brampton, Ont.)
Boule de Neige (Montreal, Que.)
Earth Bound Books (Collingwood, Ont.)

THIS ACTION IS BROUGHT AGAINST YOU UNDER THE SIMPLIFIED PROCEDURE PROVIDED IN RULE 76 OF THE RULES OF CIVIL PROCEDURE.

CLAIM

1. The Plaintiff claims:

(a) General damages in the amount of $500,000;

(b) Aggravated damages in the amount of $250,000;

(c) Punitive damages in the amount of $250,000;

(d) Pre-judgment interest and post-judgment interest pursuant to the Courts of Justice Act;

(e) The costs of this action on a solicitor and client basis;

(f) Applicable taxes; and

(g) Such further and other relief as this Honourable Court may deem just.

2. The Plaintiff Richard Warman is a lawyer. The Plaintiff is a member of the Green Party, has been active in an number of human rights causes and is employed as an investigator for the Canadian Human Rights Commission. He presently lives in Ottawa, Ontario.

3. The Defendant David Icke is an author who has published a number of works. He is the author of Children of the Matrix.

4. The Defendant Bridge of Love is a publisher based in the United Kingdom and operating in the United States. Bridge of Love is the publisher of Children of the Matrix distributed the work worldwide including but not limited to the United Kingdom, Ireland, the United States, Canada, France. Germany, Japan, Denmark, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.

5. Preferred Network operates an online bookstore from its location in Belmead, Edmonton which has distributed and distributes Children of the Matrix.

6. Banyen Books is a bookstore located in Vancouver, British Columbia which has distributed and distributes Children of the Matrix.

7. Eternal Moment Bookstore is a bookstore located in Toronto, Ontario which has distributed and distributes Children of the Matrix.

8. Biosfaire is a bookstore located in Montreal, Quebec which has distributed and distributes Children of the Matrix.

9. Tom Kennedy operates an Internet bookstore from his location in Ottawa, Ontario. he has distributed and distributes Children of the Matrix.

10. Seekers Books is a bookstore located in Toronto, Ontario which has distributed and distributes Children of the Matrix.

11. Earth Bound Books is a bookstore located in Collingwood, Ontario which has distributed and distributes Children of the Matrix.

12. Knowledge Bookstore is a bookstore located in Brampton, Ontario which has distributed and distributes Children of the Matrix.

13. Boule de Neige is a bookstore located in Montreal, Quebec which has distributed and distributes Children of the Matrix.

PUBLICATION OF MATERIAL DEFAMATORY OF RICHARD WARMAN

14. The Plaintiff pleads that in June 2001 the Defendants falsely and maliciously published in Ontario and throughout Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland, the United States, France, Germany, Japan, Denmark, Australia, and South Africa, a book called Children of the Matrix.

15. The Plaintiff pleads that Children of the Matrix refers to the Plaintiff Richard Warman.

16. The Plaintiff pleads that Children of the Matrix contains defamatory words published of and concerning Richard Warman.

17. The Plaintiff pleads that Children of the Matrix was malicious, unfair, sensationalized and defamatory of the Plaintiff personally and in way of his calling as a lawyer.

THE DEFENDANTS WERE MOTIVATED BY ACTUAL MALICE IN DEFAMING RICHARD WARMAN

18. The Plaintiff pleads that the Defendants acted maliciously in that:

(a) Each of the Defendants was warned that the Plaintiff considered Children of the Matrix to be defamatory. These Defendants nevertheless continued to distribute the work and mocked the Plaintiff's concerns about Children of the Matrix.

(b) Children of the Matrix deliberately attempted to create fear in the minds of the readers and corresponding indignation in the minds of the readers against Richard Warman by accusing him of being a member of the "Illuminati," a disinformer, liar, hypocrite, far right-winger, Nazi, fascist and censor.

(c) David Icke deliberately omitted information known to him to create a false and unfair distortion about Richard Warman's actual opinions regarding David Icke and the source of those opinions.

(d) David Icke deliberately omitted information known to him to create a false and unfair distortion about Richard Warman's actual opinions regarding child abuse and falsely accused him of working vociferously to cover-up child abuse. He emphasized this information by setting in bold type this allegation in Children of the Matrix.

(e) The Plaintiff pleads and relies on the entirety of Children of the Matrix as the context in which the defamatory words appear and, in particular, on Chapter 19 entitled The Gatekeepers.

THE DEFENDANTS DEFAMED RICHARD WARMAN BY CALLING HIM A LIAR, HYPROCRITE, CONTROLLED BY SOMEONE ELSE AND DELIBERATELY DISHONEST IN THE VIEWS HE EXPRESSED.

19. The Plaintiff complains of the following words, which were intended to mean and were understood to mean that Richard Warman was a liar, hyprocrite, controlled by someone else and/or deliberately dishinest in expressing his views:

Page 410

"Enter stage right, far right from where I am sitting, one Richard Warman. Never heard of him? You are not alone. No one seems to have heard of him until he decided to dedicate his life to preventing me speaking and anyone having the opportunity to hear me anywhere in the world. No, you didn't misread that. This man, by the way, works for the Canadian Green Party, which condemns the censorship of freedom of speech! Just like David Taylor of the British Green Party who also sought to have my events banned. The stench of hypocrisy fills the air."

"Warman has worked closely in his campaign of vilification and censorship against me with the Canadian Jewish Congress or CJC. This was formed and funded by the very same Bronfmans. Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about."

Page 411

'This is a classic of its kind and typical of the thrust of the disinformation that has caused venues around the world to cancel my meetings. Note that he says that one venue cancelled after a "minimum inquiry" of its own. Normally it is no inquiry at all and my freedom of expression and the freedom of audiences to listen is denied purely on this guy's say-so. he says the decision to cancel by the Order of Grey Nuns was impressive. But, of course, like all disinformers, he fails to mention that they did not cancel because they said I was anti-Semitic. They did so because I was questioning the literal existence of 'Jesus.'"

"Where am I a hatemonger? Where do I condemn the Jewish people? I don't, and Warman knows that I don't, but then that's not the point is it? And what are Warman and Farber (the Bronfmans) seeking to do in this campaign of personal abuse? To get as many people as possible to hate me. So who are the real hatemongers here?" (italics in original)

"The bile circulated by Warman and Farber (the Bronfmans) led me to being stopped by both customs and immigration at Ottawa Airport and kept there until two o'clock in the morning. Every item in my luggage was searched (glad I brought those dirty socks) and every piece of paper was read in pursuit of "hate material." They found nothing and in the end the officer-pawn involved could see it was all a set-up."

"They treated me like a criminal, as if all the propaganda by Warman and Farber (the Bronfmans) was true. In others words they were mind controlled by a preconceived idea, planted by someone else."

Page 412

"As a result of the lies directed at me, the head of the Canadian Police Hate Crimes Unit was in the audience. We shook hands afterwards and he had no problem with my talk whatsoever. Warman and Farber (the Bronfmans) never mention that."

"As a result of Warman's efforts to dub me a fascist, a schoolteacher on Vancouver Island who had hosted a meeting for me there, lost his job. Now that's freedom isn't it? The campaign continued when Warman flew across Canada (who paid?) to gather support for a campaign to have my event banned in the spring of 2000."

"And while all this was unfolding, the children went on being abused, tortured and sacrificed, and when the wars and other horrors went on being manipulated, as Mr. Warman and Mr. Farber worked so ferociously to stop it being exposed. They have made their priorities very clear." (Emphasis in original text)

"Warman sat through my talk and in those more than six hours, he saw at first hand that I do not speak about a Jewish plot at all and never even mention the word 'Jewish' because there is no need, except to emphasize what a travesty of truth Warman is seeking to purvey. This can be seen on a video called From Prison To Paradise and you can see for yourself that what I am saying here is true. If Warman had simply been stupid and mis-guided, this is where it would have ended. But it didn't. That was the point when Richard Warman's true motives became clear in my opinion. This guy has an agenda and, given what small fry he is here in Canada, it must, I believe, be someone else's agenda.

Page 413

"All he does is check on my website where I am speaking and waits until a few days before the event to ensure that there is not enough time to find another venue. He then either rings the venue or sends them a package claiming I am anti-Semitic and will be blaming Jews for a global conspiracy, something he knows from his own experience is not true."

Page 414

"Everyone concerned with these events is a gatekeeper for the Matrix. There are so few on this planet who are not. People like Richard Warman and Bernie Farber (the Bronfmans) know that they are, that's the difference. Either that or their brain cell count must be dangerously low of their capacity for self-delusion dangerously high."

"Richard Warman. gatekeeper to the Matrix, would be a legitimate dictionary definition for the word 'hypocrisy.'"

Page 415 - 416

"You are going to see an onslaught against Internet freedom, just as Richard Warman and his string-pullers targeted my own site. Censors never admit to being so."

THE DEFENDANTS DEFAMED RICHARD WARMAN BY ACCUSING HIM OF DELIBERATELY COVERING UP CHILD ABUSE

20. The Plaintiff complains of the following words, which were intended to mean and were understood to mean that Richard Warman was deliberately covering up child abuse:

Page 412

"And while all this was unfolding, the children went on being abused, tortured and sacrificed, and the wars and other horrors went on being manipulated, as Mr. Warman and Mr. Farber worked so ferociously to stop it being exposed. They have made their priorities very clear." (Emphasis in original text)

Page 413

"Perhaps most sickening of all, he includes the fact that I am exposing famous people as abusers and sacrificers of children as a reason why venues should not let me speak."

Page 420

'At least he had the guts to change his mind and he will not be the last and he will not be the last as the evidence becomes more and more obvious. When it does, the Crowleys, Taylors, Warmans and Farbers will have those abused children to answer to. I trust they will have a good excuse prepared for looking the other way and ridiculing the evidence of this abuse while doing no research to see if it is true. or, in the case of Warman and Farber, vociferously seeking to suppress exposure of the children's plight."

THE DEFENDANTS DEFAMED RICHARD WARMAN BY CALLING HIM A HOLDER OF FAR RIGHT WING VIEWS, A NAZI

21. The Plaintiff complains of the following words which were intended to mean and were understood to mean that Richard Warman was extremely right wing in his views, a Nazi, Fascist and/or hatemonger:

Page 410

"Enter stage right, far right from where I am sitting, one Richard Warman."

Page 411

'Where am I a hatemonger? Where do I condemn the Jewish people? I don't, and Warman knows that I don't, but then that's not the point it is? And what are Warman and Farber (the Bronfmans) seeking to do in this campaign of personal abuse? To get as many people as possible to hate me. So who are the real hatemongers here? (italics in original)

'Warman summed up his attitude to freedom when he told a journalist of equal intelligence in the British Independent on Sunday:

'He has taken all the conspiracy theoris that ever existed and melded them together to create an even bigger conspiracy of his own. His writings may be the work of a madman, or of a genuine racist. Either way they are very dangerous. There is an unpleasant ant-Semitic undertone in his work [I thought I was a 'hatemonger' openly condemning Jewish people] that must be brought to public attention. If he's unstable than so are his followers, who hang on his every word. What benefit can there be in allowing him to speak?'

"If someone had spoken those words in the middle of the last century while wearing a Nazi uniform, no one would have been surprised. If the speaker in Warman's opinion is unstable, so, by definition, must be everyone who listens."

Page 426

"But do you really want to have the experience of living in a fascist global state with your freedom of expression and choice denied in its most basic form? If you do then just sit on your arse and watch it happen because it will. It is happening. What Richard Warman and Bernie Farber (the Bronfmans) are trying to do to me will be written into the law of the land. Such laws are already being introduced."

THE DEFENDANTS DEFAMED THE PLAINTIFF BY CALLING HIM A CENSOR

22. The Plaintiff complains of the following words which were intended to mean and were understood to mean that Richard Warman was censoring David Icke:

Page 408

"Censorship is the life force of the Matrix. if you can stop the free flow of information you are already well on the way to global control."

"I can speak from experience because there have been endless attempts to censor my work. The closer I have gotten to the truth the more determined those attempts have become, especially since I began to speak and write about reptilian hybrid bloodlines."

Page 410

"Once in print, even if the sources themselves may no longer believe it, the articles can be used to further censor what people can hear. Enter stage right, far right from where I am sitting, one Richard Warman. Never heard of him? You are not alone. No one seems to have heard of him until he decided to dedicate his life to preventing me speaking and anyone haveing the opportunity to hear me anywhere in the world. No, you didn't misread that. This man, by the way, works for the Canadian Green Party, which condemns the censorship of freedom of speech! Just like David Taylor of the British Green Party who also sought to have my events banned. The stench of hypocrisy fills the air."

"Warman has worked closely in his campaign of vilification and censorship against me with the Canadian Jewsih Congress or CJC. This was formed and funded by the very same Bronfmans. Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about."

Page 411

'The bile circulated by Warman and Farber (the Bronfmans) led to me being stopped by both customs and immigration at Ottawa Airport and kep there until two o'clock in the morning. Every item in my luggage was searched (glad I brought those dirty socks) and every piece of paper was read in pursuit of "hate material." They found nothing and in the end the officer-pawn involved could see it was all a set-up. But I still could not leave because some immigration technicality was then found to hold me still longer. I was brought back the following lunchtime, the day of my talk. They kept me there for hours and then asked me what time my talk was due to end that day. I said four o'clock. They let me go at four o'clock. More men and women in uniform, more gatekeepers of their own freedoms. They treated me like a criminal, as if all the propaganda by Warman and Farber (the Bronfmans) was true. In other words they were mind controlled by a precobceived idea because once that is implanted all you see is evidence to support your preconception."

Page 411 - 412

"Richard Warman's abuse of my character devastated my meeting in Ottawa, where the venue had to be changed again and again in the last 48 hours, and the one at Windsor was cancelled. Together with the Bronfmans' Canadian Jewsih Congress and its vitriolic spokesman, Bernie Farber, and others, Warman orgainzed a demonstration outside my talk at the Hart House THeatre at Toronto University, which they failed to miserably stop."

Page 412

'The only reason the Toronto talk went ahead was because the head of the university refused to bow to pressure from Warman and Farber to block my freedom of speech."

Page 413

"Warman, from his home in eastern Canada, now seeks to prevent me speaking anywhere on the planet and if anyone wants to know how easy it is to control the world, they should look at how easy it is to stop freedom of speech without moving from your desk. All he does is check on my website where I am speaking and waits until a few days before the event to ensure that there is not enough time to find another venue. he then either rings the venue or sends them a package claiming I am an anti-Semitic and will be blaming Jews for a global conspiracy, something he knows from his own experience is not true."

"Perhaps most sickening of all, he includes the fact that I am exposing famous people as abusers and sacrificers of children as a reason why venues should not let me speak."

"Just by doing this, in the course of writing this book, Warman has, from eastern Canada, caused my events at London's Blackheath Concert Rooms, Stourbridge Town Hall, and the Burlington Hotel in central Birmingham to be cancelled because the venues banned my talk. That's how easy it is."

"When the Burlington Hotel in Birmingham hasd the Warman treatment three weeks later they pulled the meeting and refused to even speak to me to explain."

Page 414

"But it was all for nothing because the combination of one phone call or package from Richard Warman thousands of miles away and pathetic venue managers in the UK is all it takes to deny this most basic of freedoms."

"That's why Warman can use it to front his attempts to have me silenced, including his bid to have my Internet site taken down. This caused us to move quickly to another server to keep the information available. It was yet more time and effort used to overcome his attempts at censorship that could have been exposing what is happening to so many people, not the least to children. Apparently, Mr. Warman was outraged that his activities were being exposed on the website and that his official Green Party office numbers and e-mail addresses were published so that people whose freedom he had denied could not let him know what they thought."

Page 415

"But in one way, Richard Warman, this misguided holographic image, provides a service to those who care about freedoms. His behaviour has shown how fragile those freedoms are and, indeed, what an illusion they are."

"Censorship of the Internet is next on the Illuminati agenda."

Page 415 - 416

"You are going to see an onslaught against Internet freedom, just a Richard Warman and his srting-pullers targeted my own site. Censors never admit to being so. It's not good for the image, especially if you publish articles calling for freedom of speech like the Green party. They will always find a way of justifying why they are defending freedom rather than destroying it. But when the same criteria are applied to them, they scream like a three-year-old. Self-delusion is the very mind-state of the Matrix. Welcome to the Matrix, Mr. Warman."

"But do you really want to have the experience of living in a fascist global state with your freedom of expression and choice denied in its most basic form.? If you do then just sit on your arse and watch it happen because it will. It is happening. What Richard Warman and Bernie Farber (the Bronfmans) are trying to do to me will be written into the law of the land. Such laws are already being introduced."

23. The Plaintiff pleads that as a result of Children of the Matrix, the Plaintiff has been brought into ridicule, scandal and contempt both personally and by way of his calling as a lawyer and has suffered damages.

24. The Plaintiff pleads that the Defendants deliberately, intentionally or recklessly harmed and damaged the Plaintiff by publishing and distributing the defamatory words.

25. The Plaintiff states that the conduct of the Defendants towards him has been malicious, reckless, callous and reprehensible and in complete and total disregard for his personal and professional reputation and that such conduct warrants the imposition of aggravated and punitive damages.

26. The Plaintiff states that he has demanded that the Defendants cease all distribution of the work, Children of the Matrix, due to its defamatory content. All of the Defendants have continued to distribute Children of the Matrix.

27. The Plaintiff resides in Ontario. He pleads and relies upon Rule 17.02 (h) and states that he has suffered damage to his reputation in Ontario. The Plaintiff pleads and relies on Rule 17.02 (g) and states that the tort of defamation has been committed in Ontario. The Plaintiff pleads and relies upon Rule 17.02 (o) and states that parties residing outside of Ontario are necessary and proper parties.

28. The Plaintiff proposes that this action be tried in Toronto, Ontario under the Simplified Rules Procedures.

October 17, 2002

McCarthy Tétrault LLP
Suite 4700, Toronto Dominion Bank Tower
Toronto, Ontario K5K 1E6

Christine L. Lalonde
Tel: 1.416.601.8019
Fax: 1.416.601.8246
LSUC no. 44787S

Solicitors for the Plaintiff

[tootrue]

One of the key problems, if not the key problem,
with Icke being part of the Illuminati, a freemason, etc.,
is the way he talks about Nature of Reality to the wide audiences!

I don't think any mason would ever do this!

[the infinite one]

If Icke is part of the illuminati, then he's done a bloody crap job for em.

My gut instinct says he's not working for any negative force and I could tell when I met him.

[pipsicle]

If Icke is part of the illuminati, then he's done a bloody crap job for em.

My gut instinct says he's not working for any negative force and I could tell when I met him.

+1

[emanuel]

If Icke is part of the illuminati, then he's done a bloody crap job for em.

My gut instinct says he's not working for any negative force and I could tell when I met him.

Some of the most deceptive people are also some of the most charming!