partly right but partly wrong

[airkraft]

I watched a programme the other day about a family in Sweden (I think) who were trying to live without oil for 12mths as an experiment. They wanted to reduce their carbon footprint and to be eco friendly, so they got rid of the car (used public transport instead), didnt use any plastics(used paper), made their own toothpaste(bicarb and salt) and few other things, but then their kids were going on about how the polar icecaps are melting and global warming effecting where they live, and things were popping upon screen giving the outside temperature being above the average for time of year.

Now this is all well and good, I`m all for being eco friendly, but for the right reasons, because I am a believer that the global warming theory is a scam insomuch that it isnt caused by a direct result of humans.
But that wasnt the worst part...the mother started to complain after about 10 mths so she gave the kids normal toothpaste to use, claiming "they need their flouride" as she didnt want them to get mottled teeth. In the end they decided to go the way of tablets or something !!!!!

[pacoquerak]

of fucking course global warming is caused by humans but it isn't nearly as much so caused by our personal transportation as it is by our methods of food production. Thats the biggest elephant in the house there is.

[airkraft]

I`m sorry, I dont get what you mean.

"caused by humans" but by our food production mostly ????


When the FACTS are presented, you cant help but find that its not so much about warming, but about cooling, and the amount of CO2 that is in the atmosphere as a percentage of all greenhouse gases is very small, and of that small amount, we cause a part of it, not all of it. So the actual amount of greenhouse gases created by humans in about 2-3% of ALL greenhouse gases produced, of which, water vapour is the highest percent, at about 85-90%

How can what humans do, be the soul cause of global warming....or climate change as its now called, when you have these figures to show the contrary.

If a govt sponsored puppet is getting a nobel prize for passing the message about that we are the cause, then that in itself should make you realise that its all bogus. But I dont want this to turn into a debate about if GW is caused by us or not, we`ve deffinately got climate "change" happening, but we are surely not the cause, but would like you to explain why you think its caused by our food production....farmed cows producing methane perhaps ????

[pacoquerak]

but what you are saying is either slanted or untrue. For example, water vapor is not nearly as much a green house gas as methane and co2 is.

Yes, cows alone produce more methane than autos. But lets step back. Nature regulates greenhouse gas. In nature, open soil is covered by plants which consume green house gases. In agriculture in the united stats the largest extent is based on 4 kinds of grains, rice, soy, corn and wheat which produce 80% of the food made here. In order to grow these things you either have to A. till down a pasture of meadowland or B. chop down a whole freakin forest and thusly you have given all the decomposing organic matter an outlet into the air where they become the most potent green house gases. Then you plant your seeds and fertilize them with petrochemical products which create greenhouse gas when they are made, when they are used and as they are left out in the field. Eventuly all of it will be consumed by the crops or be evaporated into the air. Then petrochemical poisons are dumped on them which also evaporate into the air and prevent competitive weeds and pretty much kill all life. When harvest is done you are left with bear earth til next year.

Ok now here is my bombshell. If all of the united states simply planted a cover crop after each year of grain we would cover 90% of the kioto protocol.

Oh i could go into much more detail but i really find this conversation utterly silly, i can't sympathize with people who don't belive it's man made because the facts really do show that it is. But here yah go, every thing in an american grocery store travels and everage of 2000 miles to get there. If your buying organic food it actualy goes up to nearly 3000 miles lol!

I have pretty much dropped out of society at this point, i live illegaly in a shack out in the woods without electricity, i grow almost all my food and trade food for what i dont grow or raise. My main vice is my van which i ocasionaly drive and i do hate, but i dont feel like personal transportation is nearly the main cause of global warming at all.

yeah the global warming issue is muttled, but not the fault of humans? I dont even want to think about it but how much of the natural enviroment has been destroyed by humans? How much of our own excrement becomes greenhouse gas instead of fertilizing plants? Just use some common sense here really haha, humans are now the main weather causing factor on the planet, just think of this. Almost every desert on this planet became a desert because of its use by humans, even the giant sahara is a man made desert.

[airkraft]

I`m sorry, but what you are saying is untrue or distorted.

Methane is not as big a contibutor to the greenhouse gases as Water vapour, water vapour is far and away the biggest contributor.

We need greenhouse gases to keep the earth warm, but obviously the amount in the atmosphere fluctuates for differing reasons. Over the millenia the earth has been around, temperature has changed drasticly over (for earth time) short periods, and will keep doing so. If you look at the core samples of ice taken from the North pole, it tells the story of all this, but only if you look at the full length of the core sample,the big pictureif you like. If you just look a small part of it, a totally different picture emerges....like the one Al Gore is painting.

CO2 , as you know, is what the plants you talk about, need to survive, I agree with you on the part of using inorganic fertilizers is wrong aswel as the spraying of crops with pesticides, but we have to get things in to perspective here. Human created CO2 is a tiny part of the overall contibuting factor of greenhouse gases, it cannot be denied by anyone, and proved by worthy scientists to be true.

The theory that sunspot activity is the main cause of of global warming is gathering momentum, due by and large to the fact that the other planets in the solar system are following the same pattern as earth. When the earth was warming, so was mars and jupitor, now that there is no sunspot activity, earth mars and jupitor are all cooler.....go figure.
The picture Al Gores paints in his Scam does not seem to fit with the weather we`ve had in the past six mths in the northern hemisphere, Canada and China having one of their worst winters on record, and, with all the melted ice that they show pictures of to prove their distorted facts, coming back, and more, this is because of no sunspot activity, this cannot be put down to the planet "warming up" can it.

I buy as much organic food as possible, and try and grow what I can in my garden, all without inorganic fetilizer and pesticides. This is the right thing to do. I know though we are polluting the planet in other ways which are avoidable, through chemical useage especially.