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kasalt
27-07-2008, 07:19 PM
The SWASTIKA and the CROSS

by Swami B.G. Narasingha

http://www.gosai.com/krishna-talk/80-swastika-and-cross.html

In popular western thinking, no two symbols could possibly be more at odds with each other than the swastika and the cross. The swastika is the symbol of Nazi war crimes against humanity and the cross is the symbol of goodness, mercy and divine grace.

But what if this isn’t true?

It all depends on where you live and what you know. If you live in Germany, for example, displaying a swastika [the old reminder of World War II atrocities] will put you in jail on criminal charges. But if you live in India or other parts of Asia, then it’s hard to go thru a normal day in life and not see a swastika, the old reminder of prosperity, auspiciousness and “good luck.” Indeed, the swastika is often called the Hindu or Buddhist cross.

In ancient antiquity the swastika, as a religious and harmonious symbol, was popular in the east as far as China and Japan and in the west its use spread from Persia [Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey] across Europe and even reached the Americas. Thus the swastika is known to have been in use across the ancient [and modern] world as a benevolent symbol.

But there is a movement in Western Europe to ban the use or display of the swastika throughout the European Union. This is already law in Germany and Austria. However, most people would be surprised to learn that in western countries, prior to World War II, the most popular symbol for prosperity, wealth, health, safety, auspiciousness and good luck was the swastika.

In case some of our readers are not aware of the use and historical importance of the swastika in western civilization, lets take a look at some of the more explicit ways and places the swastika was used in the 20th century. If one does a Google image search for “swastika,” it is amazing what one finds.

The first image to appear on the screen has to be an eye opener — an aerial photo of a US Navy barracks, at a base near San Diego, California. The building is laid out in the shape of a perfect swastika. Whether this is accidental or intentional, it has recently received considerable attention from an agitated public, who are demanding that the design of the building be altered.

http://www.gosai.com/krishna-talk/graphics/swastica-cross-picts/us-navy-building.jpg



But my favorite example of a 20th century swastika has to be the handbook of the Boy Scouts of America. What on earth could be more western, more American, well intended or even more Christian than the Boy Scouts?

http://www.gosai.com/krishna-talk/graphics/swastica-cross-picts/boy-scout-handbook.jpg



The swastika was proudly printed on the spine of “The Scout’s Handy Book” in 1913 (photo above). The swastika was also widely circulated by the Boy Scouts of America as an honor badge for meritorious deeds and achievements and was also distributed door-to-door across America as a fundraiser.

Why would the Boy Scouts have a swastika on their handbook? It certainly makes no sense at all, if you are one of those Americans who hasn’t been paying attention to the world for the past one hundred years. But it’s actually very simple, the swastika represented all things that a Boy Scout strives to achieve. Foremost for a Boy Scout is duty to God and country and then follows trustworthiness, loyalty, helpfulness, friendliness, courteousness, kindness, obedience, cheerfulness, thriftiness, bravery, cleanliness and reverence. In essence, in early 20th century America, the swastika symbolized for the Boy Scouts, all that a man can be. Quite a twist from how Americans and Europeans look at the swastika today.

My other two favorite “all American” swastikas are the once very popular 1920’s Coca Cola good luck charm in the shape of a swastika [distributed free as an advertising gimmick]...

http://www.gosai.com/krishna-talk/graphics/swastica-cross-picts/cocacola-good-luck-charm.gif



...and the official team jersey of the Native American Basketball Team [1909] proudly displaying a very large swastika:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/49/Native_American_basketball_team.jpg



And we don’t want to fail to mention the girl’s ice hockey team from Edmonton, Canada [1916] with the swastika smartly embroidered on their jumpers.

http://www.gosai.com/krishna-talk/graphics/swastica-cross-picts/canada-Icehockey-team.jpg



Going back in time, one is simply amazed to see the popularity of the swastika in the ancient world. Of course, being aware of the swastika’s popularity in Hindu and Buddhist cultures, we are not surprised to see the use of the swastika in antiquity in Asia, but would you expect to find the swastika in the Neolithic period of the Middle-east, going back to 10,000 BCE or even a swastika on a well preserved Greek war helmet from the year 350 BCE or a swastika etched in stone 1,100 years ago in Denmark? Probably not, but such artifacts do exist, and document the use of the swastika in hoary antiquity outside Asia. Most of these artifacts, after being excavated by archeologists, have again been buried in the basement achives of the world’s great museums. The Greek war helmet, however, is on display at the Cabinet des Médailles in Paris and the Snoldelev stone [Bronze Age swastika] is in the National Museum in Copenhagen, Denmark.

http://www.gosai.com/krishna-talk/graphics/swastica-cross-picts/greek-helmet-350bce.jpg



According to popular Christian belief, all pre-Christian civilizations of the world were pagan. One who believes in or worships more than one God, multiple incarnations or whatever, is by Christian definition a pagan and a pagan is damned to an eternal hell of torment and suffering. So, given the unholy status of a pagan [Greek, Roman, Celt, Hindu, Buddhist, Vaishnavas or otherwise], you would hardly expect to see a Christian priest, let alone a Bishop, a Pope or a Christian saint ornamented with pagan symbols, such as the swastika. Surprise, surprise — many examples of Catholic clergy wearing ornamental swastikas exist in classical European paintings. A good example is the painting [1445 CE] “The Seven Sacraments” by the renowned Rogier van der Weyden. Seen in the painting is a priest ministering to the sick and dying. His cloak is finely decorated with crosses and swastikas.

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My favorite of these though is not a painting but the tombstone of Abbot Simon de Gillans [1345 CE] who has been immortalized in stone and is wearing robes ornamented with crosses, beautifully interspersed with swastikas. The Abbot is on display at the Musee de Cluny, Paris.

http://www.gosai.com/krishna-talk/graphics/swastica-cross-picts/tombstone-abbot-simon-de-gillans1345paris.jpg


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In our modern way of thinking, swastikas and crosses simply don’t mix. But that wasn’t always so. Then what changed our attitude toward the swastika? In a word, Hitler! Nazi Germany, Auschwitz, eleven million innocent men, women and children mercilessly humiliated, tortured and put to death during World War II — that is what changed the way western civilization thought about the swastika.

The Nazi war criminals have for the most part all been hunted down, tried in an international court of law and given their due. It seems the only culprit yet to face the final judgment for crimes against humanity is the swastika.

But before we allow the swastika to be convicted by the war crimes tribunal in the Hague and buried along side the much hated Nazis, we should remind the world that one other symbol has brought death, destruction and utter human madness to this world again and again thru the centuries — the cross. Yes, the cross, the holy of holy symbols of Christianity.

Even a brief study of world history shows the Christian cross prevailing over outrageous human injustices, inflicting pain, suffering, death and cultural genocide on millions of innocent people and cultures across the face of the earth. If you don’t know where to start, then start with the Romanization of the Church and the stamping out of all other religions in the empire. Even other groups of early Christians who held a different belief from the Roman Church were not spared. For example: In 1209, Pope Innocent III launched an armed crusade against Albigenses Christians in southern France. When the besieged city of Beziers fell, soldiers reportedly asked their papal adviser how to distinguish the faithful from the infidel among the captives. He commanded: "Kill them all. God will know his own." Nearly 20,000 were slaughtered -- many first blinded, mutilated, dragged behind horses, or used for target practice.

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Then check out the crusades and the accounts of innocent people put to death during the crusades in the Middle-east between 1095 and 1272. In one victory at Jerusalem, after the main battle was over, the crusaders put to death all the residents of the city, sum 40,000. In the words of a crusader chronicler who reported the victory to Pope Urban II, “The crusaders walked thru the streets of Jerusalem knee deep in the blood of the infidels!” When the carnage was over, the cross proudly fluttered in the wind above Jerusalem.

As Saint Bernard of Clairvaux declared in launching the Second Crusade in 1147: "The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified."

Then if you have any stomach left for such matters, study up on the many inquisitions — Medieval, Spanish, Roman and Portuguese. But be prepared for the worst. The inquisitions began in 1184 and did not end until 1821. Scholars vary in their opinions regarding just how many people actually died in the inquisitions, but one should remember that human atrocities aren’t just measured in numbers.

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For the sake of the record we might stop a moment and ask were did Hitler [a 20th century man] get the idea of being able to genocide a whole race of people? Well, he didn’t get any such thoughts from the Hindus or Buddhists but as for Christianity, genocide had been their calling card for almost 700 years.

If you are up for the journey of finding out what really happened under the cross, then check out the Protestant reformation and the witch-burning spree kicked off by Martin Luther in the 1400s [approx 60,000 women were burned alive in Europe alone]. Whole villages were exterminated. In one incident a Priest reportedly tortured untold thousands of women into confessing that they were witches who flew through the sky and engaged in sex with the devil -- then they were burned or hanged for their confessions. Witch hysteria raged for three centuries in Europe, in a dozen nations. Estimates of the number executed vary from 100,000 to 2 million. No one really knows how many or how few died. The witch-hunting craze was Christian madness at its worst.

And don’t forget to read the “Malleus Maleficarum, the Witches Hammer” a witch hunter’s handbook published in 1487 by two Dominican monks, Heinrich Kramer and James Sprenger and republished 28 times by the beginning of the 20th century. A Papal Bull issued by Pope Innocent VIII — thus giving the book its holy sanction, accompanied the book. Arguably the “Malleus Maleficarum” is one of the most infamous and demoniac books ever written. It outlines the process of identifying a witch, trying a witch, techniques of torture and punishments, lethal and otherwise.

It became so that anybody with a grudge or suspicion, very young children included, could accuse anyone of witchcraft and be listened to with attention. Anyone who wanted someone else's property or wife could accuse; any loner, any old person living alone, anyone with a deformity, physical or mental problem was likely to be accused. Open hunting season was declared on women, especially herb gatherers, midwives, widows and spinsters. Women who had no man to supervise them were of course highly suspicious. It has been estimated by Dr. Marija Gimbutas, professor of archaeology at the University of California, that as many as 9 million people, overwhelmingly women, were burned or hanged during the witch-craze. For nearly 250 years the Witches' Hammer was the guidebook for the witch hunters. Then one fine day, the Church woke up to the fact that there were no witches, had been no witches and the innocent had died in vain. The witch hunting was over, but with not so much as an apology.

Depending on whose figures you accept, one might argue that the numbers dead under Hitler’s swastika are certainly higher than those under the cross. But to this we simply reply that that is to be expected, considering the availability of guns, gas chambers and ovens that the Nazis had at their disposal. In the old days of Christian atrocities it was one life taken at a time, one head lopped off and then another or sometimes twenty burned at a time, but that kind of murder takes time. There was also the show of a trial [but not always] and the necessary tortures to be implemented to make sure the poor woman was actually a witch — these proceedings often dragged on for days and days. In fact death under the symbol of the cross dragged on for several centuries until it finally trickled to an end with the last inquisition coming to a close in India in 1812. The inquisition in India lasted 248 years, from 1560 until 1812. At least Hitler’s madness was over within a decade.

All sarcastic remarks aside, if the European Union intends to ban the swastika because of its misuse by the Nazis, then they should ban the cross as well for its misuse by Christians.

Better yet however would be to allow both these ancient symbols a continued life of their own in a free world where religious convictions are an individual’s free choice and not the dictates of the state.

To see a wide selection of other swastikas in use in western countries during the 20th century and also swastikas dating back to antiquity, please visit our website [http://www.gosai.com/krishna-talk/80-swastika-and-cross.html]. Photos include the swastika Boy Scout good luck coins, swastikas on American Indian blankets, swastikas on US Army aircraft, swastikas on Arizona road signs, swastikas on Best Wishes and Good Luck cards for soldiers and even for new born babies, beer labels, pharmaceutical drug packaging, mid-west milk pitchers, the Swastika Hotel in New Mexico, royal family seals, Swedish swastikas, Russian swastikas, Greek swastikas, Roman mosaic swastikas, Samurai swastika flags, Bronze Age swastikas, first millennium Iranian swastika jewelry, Indus valley swastika seals, and more.

disorder2k8
27-07-2008, 07:34 PM
The swastika was originally a good luck charm, it is also a variation of the cross (the crux) including cross in circle (the sun) and the ankh (cross with loop meaning eternal life)

The cross, the pentagram and some others are all pagan symbols.


Look up egyptian symbols and see how many you see today.

http://www.entity.cc/central/ancient-symbols.gif

lilavati
27-07-2008, 09:03 PM
its an ancient hindu symbol for peace and prosperity.
hitler tapped into the power and used it for bad:eek::eek::eek:

endlessvista
28-07-2008, 12:00 AM
its an ancient hindu symbol for peace and prosperity.
hitler tapped into the power and used it for bad:eek::eek::eek:

I recall years ago watching the singer from the band Kula Shaker having to say sorry to the Jewish viewers on MTV for making the same point as you have above. As innocent and truthful as his comments were he was forced to say sorry for something which had no malice at all to it.

kasalt
28-07-2008, 03:40 AM
I recall years ago watching the singer from the band Kula Shaker having to say sorry to the Jewish viewers on MTV for making the same point as you have above.

Ironically, Jews also used the swastika in centuries past as a symbol of good fortune. The following is a quote from an Israeli government website:

"The synagogue at Ein Gedi dates from the Roman-Byzantine period...The floor was of simple white mosaic with a swastika pattern in black tesserae in the center. This pattern has been interpreted as a decorative motif or as a good luck symbol." (Link) (http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/History/Early%20History%20-%20Archaeology/Ein%20Gedi%20-%20An%20Ancient%20Oasis%20Settlement)

The Universal Jewish Encyclopaedia (1939-1943) says, “The Swastika appears on various articles excavated in Palestine, on ancient synagogues in Galilee and Syria, and on the Jewish catacombs at the Villa Torlonia in Rome.” Webster’s New American Dictionary (1959 edition) gives information as an ancient Jewish religious symbol. (Link) (http://www.ivarta.com/columns/OL_050314.htm)

disorder2k8
28-07-2008, 01:19 PM
The title 'Israel' is the combination of 3 egyptian/middle eastern gods from earlier times

it is made up of (IS)is Amun(RA) and the god letters (EL) as in Ezekiel, Raphael, Samuel etc

All of the names ending in El, mean 'god of something', or refer to a attribute of God.

Ezekiel = might/strength of god
Samuel (Shmu'el) = Heard of God (or name of God)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_names_referring_to_El

The word Amen, comes from Amun-Ra

All religions actually originated from small roots in and around egypt, at the start, they associated the heavens and planets with gods, things these solar bodies did were what they recorded as stories. As time went on, the stories were mutated and attached to local prophets and leaders, some of which also still contained the astrological symbolism. Ra of course keeping the Sun and Snake http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra, which is light and infinity (snakes usually representing the ouroboros, the garden of eden, weaving DNA helix, and quite possibly 'reptilian influences' in general etc)


Something happened over the course of the first times people were scattered and stories took a long time to get around,different countries were taught the original story, but it was like chinese whispers and people divided because of their own opinions on what was said.

Look at all creation stories and you will see striking similarities: How the world was made, how long it took (days in the bible were represented as ages) even shared names and dieties, for which we are fighting over 'who is right?'. Islam/Judaism/Chrisianity/Paganism and many others share the same story with differences.

Everything is encoded with astrological data, which tends to indicate that monotheism Or individual worship was fathomed because certain people wanted to be placed above and have command over others. Dictatorship, is just political monotheism and is derived from the same places.

kasalt
28-07-2008, 08:44 PM
"In Buddhism, the swastika signifies auspiciousness and good fortune as well as the Buddha's footprints and the Buddha's heart. The swastika is said to contain the whole mind of the Buddha and can often be found imprinted on the chest, feet or palms of Buddha images. It is also the first of the 65 auspicious symbols on the footprint of the Buddha." (Source) (http://www.religionfacts.com/buddhism/symbols/swastika.htm)


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http://www.ironcircus.com/swastikabuddha.jpg




Swastika on a Buddhist temple in Taiwan:

http://www.religionfacts.com/buddhism/images/symbols/swastika-wheel-taiwan-cc-hakym-200.jpg



Swastikas on the grounds of a Buddhist temple in Saigon:

http://www.ianandwendy.com/OtherTrips/ChinaVietnamCambodia/Vietnam/Saigon/_16_0338.jpg




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