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hunkahunka

12-01-2008, 03:38 PM

This is a very captivating article. I feel its true.

I agree.
I just do not buy the story that after just a year, Cobain was sick enough of singing the song that made his dreams come true, that he would short-change fans , (on a whim) , who had paid him good money to suffer through playing it again. An entertainer is there to provide his fans pleasure. He is not there to entertain himself. I credit Cobain with more decency than some do, who say
Cobain just decided to hate the song one day and ruin things for those who liked it. He probaby had an excellent reason for
disliking the song. Cobain played his ten year old music repetitively at the concerts with no problem. These were songs that he had played far longer and far more often than Smells Like Teen Spirit, yet he had no problem with repetition as far as those songs went. Cobain also played old Cars radio hits at his concerts, stuff that had been played to death on the radio, like 'My Best Friends Girl'. If he was such the purist that everyone makes him out to be, he should not have been caught dead doing that, but he did it nonetheless. Imagine spending years as a cover band doing old punk songs and old Led Zeppelin songs without complaint, and then a short time later being paid a couple of hundred thousand a night just to make teenaged girls smile and scream at you, with a certain three minute song, and then wrinkling your nose at it all and saying. "EEEew, how droll. It is most definitely beneath me to do so any longer." Excuse me? This from a guy who slept under a bridge at one point?

He played other songs from Nevermind with gusto, and never left them out, such as In Bloom and Lithium. Songs that were created at the same time and played with the same frequency that he played SLTS or Come As You Are. There are some who say those two songs were overplayed on radio, which is why Cobain got sick of them. You think he sat around jerking off to the radio all day on his days off getting sick of the songs? I doubt it. He was too busy to listen to the radio at that time of his life, so radio popularity is a non-factor here.

So why were just the two songs Smells Like Teen Spirit and Come As You Are continually butchered or avoided? I don't see it as a mere coincidence that along comes this guy who lays claim to penning the same two songs. I see no reason for this guy to just manufacture the whole story, and it neatly explains Cobain's aversion to those two songs. Playing those two songs, his biggest hits, should have been the highlight of Cobains night, if only for the pleasure which he could bring to others by playing them. We are supposed to believe he denied people that, but also earned the wrath of the promoters and record company, on some selfish little tirade? It is ridiculous. THat would be like a restaurant that earns its living serving the best pizza in the city deciding one night, on a whim, to send its customers pizza without the cheese, because they themselves were 'sick of cheese'.
IT is ludicrous. Imagine all the customers opening up their pizza boxes , freshly delivered, to find their cheeseless pizzas!

"Oh, I hear Mario's got bored with cheese. They are sick of the commercial predictability of cheese pizza, and besides, its over-rated."
In Nirvana's case, its even worse. How many restaurateurs earn the kind of money that they did for one nights dancing around?
Cobain was being paid to deliver, paid big money.

It is F***ing ridiculous. Cobain had to have another reason for doing that, and it was not 'artistic purity', imo. He was tired of singing the song because it always reminded him of what he dreaded. Exposure. Fraud. Shame. If what this guy is saying is true (and I think it is) every time he played the song , he'd be sickened by it. And scared by it. He'd be expecting each new city to be the possible home of the writer, each tour date one closer to the inevitable day that someone came knocking on the door, or ringing his phone, saying "Hey Kurt, I have a tape of my band that proves we did that song three years before you recorded it. "
It may be that he committed suicide partially to avoid ever seeing that day.

I can understand veteran bands like the Rolling Stones (Mick Jagger) getting sick of singing at aged 30, 40, or 50, songs that they recorded as teenagers, with fans expecting them to still sound the same and look the same and think the same as they did thirty years ago.

I can understand Eric Clapton eventually morphing 'Layla' into a more dignified version , befitting the veteran blues man that he'd become.

I can imagine Aerosmith dreading another rendition of 'Dream ON' or 'Walk this Way' thirty years later. I can see Bowie vomiting at the thought of stuttering 'ch ch ch ch changezzzzzzzzzzz' again .

The night's gate receipts are neither dependent or resplendent on one or three songs. These people , these megastars, have literally dozens of hits behind them to make the night a success.

I cannot imagine Nirvana in the same context . I refuse to delude myself into believing that it was the same situation. They had ONE hit record:
Nevermind.
There were three or four big hits on it. To most of their fans, including the promoters and record company execs among them,
the two major hits were Smells Like Teen Spirit and Come As You Are, and these songs were not even a year old before Cobain began screwing with them. Mocking them, avoiding them. It was almost like he was expecting the sh** to hit the fan, and he wanted to be able to say "Hey, you all know that I hated those songs and never liked to play them. Shit, I even parodied them. Remember?"

Reluctantly. They played it reluctantly, but they had to play it , for obvious reasons.

I know of someone who used to follow the band around when they were in his REGION, and he saw them live in about five different cities on the same tour. According to him, in every city that he caught them in, Cobain played Come As You Are in a slightly different key, and almost always did something to change it, whether it was botching the guitar solo slightly, skipping a verse, or changing lyrics slightly. These were things that someone like him would notice, a truly obsessed fan, while most people would not. He said the same thing went for Smells Like Teen Spirit. Cobain would do small things to the tuning or key of it, shorten it, distort it, but what he noticed most of all was Cobain's lack of enthusiasm for singing it. The song was always set to be the highlight of the night, and Cobain would sing it mechanically and emotionlessly. By contrast, he belted out flawless and emotive versions of all his other songs. The end result was always the same . A subtle feeling of disappointment at the end of the night. A feeling something had been held back or had gone missing.

Cobain was forced to explain this in interviews. People were noticing and asking about it. and he would answer with things like "we sold out with that record (Nevermind)"

Here is a review of a DVD that Nirvana put out of their live performances called Nirvana Live!Tonight! (1994)
'The performances:
The setlist would have been fine, but a few of the songs are not fully included. An elitist and mean tease of the audience with a few seconds of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" before breaking off and Kurt saying the band wasn't going to perform that one (Why, then start it at all?) is only complimented with a pretend performance of the song with Kurt mockingly lowering his voice, and even this footage ends during the guitar solo. "Come as You Are" also suffers from an irritating singing style choice that Kurt felt reflected his artistic passion that night, rather than some perverse joy from screwing with fans and ruining a song the band had probably spent weeks if not months perfecting in studio.'

They were supposed to play Smells Like Teen Spirit at Video Music Awards in 1992, and Cobain refused, and they ended up doing 'Lithium'.

btw, on the back page of "The Muddy Banks Of The Wishkah", a live compilation CD of their biggest hits, turn it over and look at the credits: "All songs written by Kurt Cobain except "Smells Like Teen Spirit and Scentless Apprentice". And notice 'Come As You Are' was not even included on it. There is no live version of Come As You Are on a live compilation album of their biggest hits? wtf???
btw, Scentless Apprentice is officially known to have been written by all three members of Nirvana. There is no explanation of who wrote Smells Like Teen Spirit. The other band members have never claimed to have written it.

"We're going on tour this year and we're gonna have a whole new set
with whole new songs so that we don't ever have to play Smells Like
Teen Spirit again. I mean it's a great song but for many people it's
like the only Nirvana song and that's upsetting" - Kris and Dave

I ask again:
What in the hell is so upsetting about getting rich while bringing joy to millions of people by singing a f***ing 3 minute song?

Now we know the answer.

dmessick

14-01-2008, 08:45 PM

Well I was more of a Pearle Jam fan. If its true that Cobain was a mind controlled person being used to push a 'grunge' agenda and to get kids to have to 'poor pitiful me' mentality than that makes perfect scence to me.

hunkahunka

15-01-2008, 05:42 AM

There is a huge pile of synchronicities between River Phoenix , Kurt Cobain, and Gus Van Sant.
Cobain was thought to be narcoleptic. Watch the film 'Last Days' by Gus Van Sant. It shows Cobain continually falling asleep in exactly the same way that Mike in My Own Private Idaho was. My Own Private Idaho was about a homeless teen male prostitute from a broken home in Seattle's skid row district.
I think My Own Private Idaho was loosely based on Kurt Cobain's life, and generally about the underground. Main character Mike is transported
from city to city while ostensibly 'sleeping' , which could be a convenient and false medical explanation for the 'missing time' that mind controlled
multiples/alters experience. There is no explanation of how the characters Mike and Scott travel thousands of miles from city to city without Mike ever waking up.
He continually 'awakens' in different cities, always under the watchful eye of his handler Scott. In the film, Scott eventually emotionally breaks away from his own handler 'Bob' by traumatizing him and belittling him in front of Mike. Scott is now a handler. What is not disclosed in the film, or concealed by it, is the prevalent use of powerfully addictive narcotics
in this network. imo, The drug addiction is what keeps these 'projects' under control . The 'handlers' would employ powerful addiction as one of their tools of control.
I suspect that these slaves, if they do exist , would be used to do all kinds of things, but most of their activity directed toward drug trafficking, prostitution, and related underground activity, including fomenting drug use, peer pressure, producing 'art work' (graffiti, music, littering, vandalism) for the drug culture, and generally furthering the drug culture. In the more extreme cases, these kids would be used to harass people, assault, or even kill opponents to the agenda.

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Even the oddly disjointed title of the film 'My Own Private Idaho' reminds me of something of an inside joke, or a hidden meaning. 'My Own Private Idaho' could be bastardization to the effect of 'my own private slave'. or ' My own
private ho'

Another thought here is that in My Own Private Idaho, the rich and powerful mayor of Seattle is pondering whether or not to make his
son Scott (Mike's handler) heir to the massive family fortune. The sub-plot is that Scott must somehow overcome his father's derision.
His father is disgusted by Scott's lifestyle as a homosexual street urchin, (and probable drug use) and Scott presumably wins his father over by
taking a girlfriend in Rome.
The film ends with Scott inheriting the family fortune, with the implication that this network has, by corrupting a son of the rich and powerful, somehow effectively installed 'one of their own' as a successor to a politically powerful family.

hunkahunka

15-01-2008, 05:47 AM

Who knows how he would have gotten over the border. Maybe a boat from Portland to Vancouver?

If, as I suspect, he may have been mixed up with one of these shady networks, that changes the whole picture.
Heaven knows what is really going on. He compared himself to Frances Farmer, who was in and out of mental institutions,
another possible 'project'.
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Frances Farmer with Tyrone Power in Son of Fury (1942).

Oddly enough, Farmer once worked at the Fairmont Olympic Hotel, another massive gothic rail hotel similar to the one that Cobain was staying at in Banff when given the lyrics. In fact it is part of the same Fairmont chain of
hotels.

Here is a link to information on how Seattle-born actress Frances Farmer was allegedly abused by the psychiatric community,
electroshocked, and even raped on military bases:

http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/frances/index.htm

A lot of this information had been dismissed, even ridiculed, as hyperbole and exaggeration at the time that it emerged, but in light of what is now
publicly known to have happened with MKUltra , Monarch, etc. ........it is really not as far-fetched now as it must have seemed
back then, when virtually nothing was known about this type of secret activity.

It sounds almost like they attempted to turn her into a multiple.

hunkahunka

16-01-2008, 04:01 PM

i don't personally think 'grunge' was created by the c.i.a, i think it worked out in their favour the same way couplands generation x did. it was all about the apathy.
when cobain died i was quite upset, i really liked nirvana as a kid and had a ticket to see them live in glasgow that year.
was he murdered by the c.i.a? or/and courtney love? well it's an option.
was he so much of a threat to the system? mabye, mabye not
what we do know is that he was a lost soul who was addicted to heroin and pre death had been using a dream machine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamachine

What strikes me as odd, is that Courtney Love made a habit of plying the media with 'heroin' stories.
She was notorious for playing the media and at least once voluntarily contacted the media with a false story about hers and Kurt's drug use.

While this was long ago dismissed and written off as a publicity ploy, a mere stunt for media attention,what if it were
actually something else? What if it really is true that grunge was created
by the CIA, and that part of the plan was to popularize heroin use by associating it with glamorous rock stars?
In that case, Love would have been following orders to make their drug use public.

What if Cobain's plan to stop using drugs angered the people who had made him who he was? Maybe they wanted him
to stay addicted to maintain control of him, and feared that once he kicked the drugs , he was going to start remembering things
and revealing things that they did not want him talking about? What if the drugs were crucial to
suppressing his memories, and they wanted to keep him quiet?

This reminds me of the stories of aging prostitutes who are mysteriously murdered by 'serial killers' almost the moment they
kick heroine and try to retire. Can't let them go 'straight' with all that they know about who supplied them their drugs, and setting a bad example to all the other addicts out there. Think of it. If a hooker were to kick the drugs, and start helping her friends and younger girls kick the drugs, next thing you know you have a confict on your hands. The dealers want the money to keep rolling in. They do everything they can to keep the girls addicted and hooking, while the 'reformed' prostitute is working against them, trying to save her friends that are still alive and get them off the drugs, and the worst part is that she becomes walking proof that it is possible.

Then the dummy might get the bright idea to help the police bust the suppliers of the drugs by sharing what she knows about who. A terribly bad influence on the youngsters, and a threat to the security of the network, she is found dead in the river like a lot of others.

Maybe Cobain was set to go making a nuisance of himself the same way. Off the drugs, and in rehab boasting about how he'd like to warn his young fans about drugs etc.

Nirvana came from 'out of nowhere' , and suddenly got heavy MTV rotation of their videos, and coincidentally
happened to be already touring in Europe on the strength of a no-name unknown album.

Then it goes around to all the young people that Cobain's on heroin, heroin is the in thing, and oh, somebody knows someone else who can get them some to try out. This looks contrived to me. The same people providing the music and the MTV publicity etc.are the ones providing the drugs: the international narcotics trade.
It is known that MTV is allegedly owned by figurehead Murray Sumner Rothstein (aka Sumner Redstone) , who is a former OSS/CIA encryption specialist. Rothstein worked for the OSS cracking Japanese codes during WWII.
Rothstein/Redstone is CIA all the way. The CIA is notorious for running drugs all over the world. Does Rothstein really own all those huge networks and
conglomerates, etc? Or is he really just the figurehead for the true owner:
the CIA. Are we in frigging communist Russia, with the KGB owning bloody television stations and newspapers?

So now are we starting to see why the heroin-addicted Cobain found himself on MTV and in 40,000 seat venues? He was there to promote heroin use, because at the time , white kids were starting to reject, en masse, the 'ghetto chic' drug culture that MTV was merchandising.

Grunge was created as a 'white ghetto' alternative, imo. The end goal being the same: Make street culture de rigeur among kids as a conduit to push drugs.

I think with Cobain they gave up, blew his head off, and decided to make the drug dealers themselves the MTV stars, with people like Snoop Doggie Dog and Nelly and all the other 'gangstas'. Why fart around with risky white
icons like Cobain?

hunkahunka

16-01-2008, 04:20 PM

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hunkahunka

16-01-2008, 04:40 PM

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Ex-employee supports corruption claims
Witness, newly found notes suggest link between official misconduct, ’89 Franke killing

By Jim Redden

The Portland Tribune, Nov 16, 2004

Kevin Francke has never believed that his brother, Michael, was killed during a botched car prowl.

Michael Francke was the head of the Oregon Corrections Department when he was stabbed to death outside his Salem office on Jan. 17, 1989. A small-time criminal named Frank Gable eventually was arrested and convicted of the killing.

But Kevin Francke said that the week before he died, his brother personally warned the family of a likely threat on his life. According to Kevin Francke, Michael called his sister-in-law, Katie, and said he had discovered a network of corrupt officials within his department.

“Michael said he was going to clean house. I believe they had him killed,” Kevin Francke said.

State officials long have dismissed such allegations. They say there was no corruption in the Corrections Department at the time of Francke’s death, so there was no conspiracy to kill him.

But now the Portland Tribune has discovered information that supports Kevin Francke’s claims that at least one person his brother worked with was engaged in questionable behavior before and after the murder. Among other things, the Portland Tribune has interviewed a former Utah Corrections Department employee who claims firsthand knowledge of wrongdoing by Scott McAlister, the assistant Oregon attorney general who was assigned to the Corrections Department until shortly before Francke was killed.

Linda Parker worked for McAlister in 1989 after he was hired as the inspector general of the Utah Corrections Department. At one time, they also dated.

Parker told the Portland Tribune on Saturday that she saw McAlister with numerous documents related to the Francke murder investigation Ñ documents he should not have received since he was no longer working for the Oregon Justice Department. Parker said the documents were sent to him from Oregon after he moved to Utah.

“He had me file them for him. He was following the investigation very closely,” she said.

And, Parker said, she heard McAlister describe Francke’s killing as a botched hit that was “supposed to look like a suicide.”

“He was very angry that it had not been done right. He said they’d (screwed) it up,” Parker said.

She said that McAlister bragged about setting up inmates in Oregon and Utah on phony charges if they angered him, and that he personally transported cocaine from Oregon to Utah on at least two occasions and arranged for other shipments of cocaine from Oregon as well.

And Parker said McAlister used a sedative “like Valium” to beat a lie detector test about his knowledge of Francke’s murder. The Aug. 11, 1989, test appeared to show that McAlister had no inside knowledge of the murder.

McAlister currently is a lawyer in Tempe, Ariz. Contacted by the Portland Tribune, he adamantly denied Parker’s accusations.

McAlister denied knowing anything about Francke’s murder, describing him as “a friend.” He also denied possessing or using drugs in either Oregon or Utah, saying, “I was a law enforcement officer at the time.”

Gable, who is serving a life sentence without possibility of parole in a Florida prison, has maintained his innocence and asked the Oregon Court of Appeals for a new trial. His attorney, David Celuch, said he will pursue Parker’s claims on behalf of Gable.

“We are interested in all potential new evidence in the case and will follow up on it,” Celuch told the Portland Tribune.
Other charges proved true

Parker has made other allegations against McAlister that have been proved right.

In early 1990, she told the Utah FBI that McAlister possessed child pornography. Parker said McAlister gave her the films as part of what she claims was an ill-conceived effort to persuade her to have group sex with him and another woman.

The FBI got a search warrant for McAlister’s home, seizing more pornography. It referred the case to the Salt Lake County district attorney’s office, which charged McAlister with a felony count of sexual exploitation of a minor.

Parker testified against McAlister at a pretrial hearing on Aug. 2, 1990. He pleaded guilty to a class A misdemeanor charge of distribution of pornographic material on Oct. 12, 1990, and served seven days in a Salt Lake County jail.

A short time later, Parker was contacted by Roger Harris, one of Gable’s defense investigators. Harris was looking for evidence that other people could have been involved in Francke’s death. Parker agreed to talk about McAlister.

The result was a 12-page statement that Parker signed on Dec. 11, 1990. It details numerous accusations of illegal activities and official misconduct by McAlister, many with Oregon connections.

Parker said she stands by these charges, which include drug trafficking and drug use.

She also made the accusations to FBI and district attorney investigators during the pornography investigation, Parker said. She does not believe they were ever pursued.

“To this day, I don’t know why nothing more happened to McAlister,” she said. “As I told the FBI, if I did these things, I’d be in jail for a long time.”

The FBI has not yet responded to a Freedom of Information Act request from the Portland Tribune for its documents. Paul Murphy, the public information officer for the Utah attorney general’s office, said he can’t locate the office’s records on McAlister.

Parker, who has since remarried and changed her name, spoke to the Portland Tribune on the condition that her current name and address not be revealed. She said her life was threatened after she testified against McAlister in the child pornography case. That night, Parker said, all four tires on her car were slashed.

Parker said she also was threatened after filing a federal sexual harassment suit against McAlister and the Utah Department of Corrections. According to Parker, a letter sent to her home contained a note that said, “Drop the suit or you’re dead.” She said her house was broken into a few days later.

Parker said she reported the threats to the police, but they did nothing.

“I moved. I left the state because I believed if I stayed there, I’d be dead,” Parker told the Portland Tribune.

The state of Utah settled her sexual harassment case for an undisclosed amount in late 1990.
Notes raise other questions

The Portland Tribune has located other documents that raise questions about the investigation into Francke’s death.

They include two handwritten notes by Loren Glover, one of the state police detectives assigned to the case. They confirm Kevin Francke’s claim that Francke family members raised the corruption allegations with investigators within days of the murder.

The first note is dated Jan. 20, 1989, just three days after the killing. According to the note, Kevin Francke told Glover that Michael had called the week before he died and suggested he was “making a lot of enemies within the prisons in Oregon.”

The second note, dated the next day, summarizes a conversation with Michael’s widow, Bingta Francke. According to the note, Bingta said that “Kevin thought that some who worked in the corrections system could have killed Michael Francke.” Bingta also called the prison system a “good-old-boy system.”

The notes contradict claims by state officials that Francke’s family did not raise allegations of corruption at the time of the murder.

Former Oregon Gov. Neil Goldschmidt’s legal counsel Cory Streisinger made that point in a confidential Aug. 22, 1989, memo to Goldschmidt.

“Nothing in Mike Francke’s files or anywhere else indicate that he was working on anything other than his pressing budget problems, and Mike’s family made no mention of the much-reported phone call about ‘organized criminal activity’ when they had their initial interviews with police,” Streisinger wrote.

Glover’s notes prove otherwise.

Another newly discovered document involves Jodie Swearingen, who was a 16-year-old Salem runaway when Francke was murdered. Swearingen repeatedly told investigators that she had witnessed the murder. She also testified before the Marion County grand jury that indicted Gable for the murder.

State police reports obtained by the Portland Tribune show that Swearingen told investigators she saw Gable kill Francke. But Swearingen told a different story to two Albany attorneys, J.D. Bispham and his wife, Carol Bispham, who took notes of the conversation.

According to the notes, Swearingen told the Bisphams that she had lied to the grand jury and was afraid of being charged with perjury and being an accessory to the murder. According to the notes, Swearingen said she actually saw a Salem drug dealer named Timothy Natividad kill Francke.

“Tim kinda took long strides up behind Francke as he opened car door,” the notes say. “Tim grabbed him Ñ Tims L hand on M.F. left shoulder Ñ T used R hand & stabbed MF as MF was turning to R clockwise.”

It’s not clear when Swearingen met with the Bisphams. Contacted by the Portland Tribune, they declined to discussed the meeting, citing attorney-client confidentiality.

But Thomas McCallum, a private investigator who worked on Gable’s defense team, confirmed the authenticity of the notes. McCallum said he and another defense investigator personally picked the notes up from the Bisphams’ office.

Natividad was shot and killed by his girlfriend, Elizabeth Godlove, during a domestic dispute a few weeks after Francke was killed. Godlove was found not guilty of any crime by a Marion County jury.
‘Pet theories’?

The new documents were found among thousands of pages of records compiled by Gable’s court-appointed defense attorney, Robert Abel. They were not entered into evidence in the trial because Abel did not attempt to show that anyone else had killed Gable.

Abel dismissed the McAlister and Natividad allegations as unsupported “pet theories” pursued by his investigators. Testifying during a May 2000 postconviction relief hearing in Marion County Circuit Court, Abel said the leads the defense team pursued were fruitless.

“And what I did was Ñ is I assigned these out and they were divided up, and they went back and came back to me with a bunch of garbage, just like 30,000 pages,” Abel said.

jimredden@portlandtribune.com

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interesting is that , given the corruption in Portland , the film "My Own Private Idaho' is recalled, where Keanu Reeves plays the part of 'Scott', the son of the Mayor of Portland, who is involved with prostitution, drugs, and street crime, and gets away with it because he is the son of the mayor.
In the film, there is a scene revealing that the police have caught him and released him, without charges, so many times that they know him on sight and run in fear when they come across him.

hunkahunka

22-01-2008, 12:44 AM

anyone interested in Cobain's death should see some of the bizarre projects Cobain was associated with prior to his death.
Cobain did the musical background for a William Burroughs-narrated tape, an audio excerpt from that author's book titled 'Exterminator'
(odd elements of bisexuality , heroin addiction, cannibalism and murder involved) listen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pfd3OtPQoA

Cobain wanted Burroughs to cameo in his 'Heart Shaped Box' video, [ http://realitystudio.org/biography/william...bain-a-dossier/ (http://realitystudio.org/biography/william-s-burroughs-and-kurt-cobain-a-dossier/) ]
and wrote in his journals that he wanted Burroughs to simulate a sexual assault on him. The plan was to depict Burroughs raping Cobain
from behind and dying on top of him, and orgasming his life energy into Cobain , complete with medical footage of semen flowing through the interior
of a penis. Burroughs declined the offer. Cobain considered Burroughs a sort of protege, a fellow heroin addict/writer.
It sounds like Cobain was attempting to involve Burroughs in the simulation of some sort of sex magick ritual. Ancient tribes have been known to
perform rituals with the dying elders submitting to be ritually killed, and eaten, so that their life force may be passed on and live on in those who carry
on afterward.

It has been said that Cobain was into the occult. Cobain likely had knowledge of real life sex magick or enochian rituals.

Burroughs is a noted occultist (OTO):
http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/2005/phantom.htm

Here is some background on Burroughs , a video biography (featuring some interesting information re: Burrough's
activities in murdering his wife, as an assassin for the CIA, and his weapons collection, homosexuality, drug addiction, being sent at 15 to a masonic Los Alamos training camp etc.:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=9198809969200913970&q=burroughs+biography&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Was Cobain's OTO style ritual idea for his video project enough to spook someone into shutting him up?
Cobain may have been killed in some sort of ritual, either voluntarily or involuntarily.
His head injury would conceal if anything had been ritually done to his brain after death.

Can't help but wonder if Burroughs himself killed Cobain.

hunkahunka

23-01-2008, 07:07 PM

interesting in light of the death of Heath Ledger at 28 of a drug overdose (young star of Brokeback Mountain)

check out Heath Ledger in the occult film 'The Order'
here is the trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHi8YN0sz6I

another odd tie to secret socieities, Rome and the occult.

hunkahunka

24-01-2008, 10:01 AM

Here is a picture of Cobain meeting with homosexual author William Burroughs at his lakeside cottage residence just outside
of Lawrence, Kansas in October 1993:

http://realitystudio.org/images/biography/kurt_cobain.william_burroughs.jpg

This is a photo that Burroughs snapped of Cobain using the cottage toilet. ( Burroughs sent Cobain this
photo on Cobain's 27th birthday:

http://realitystudio.org/images/paintings/burroughs_collage_for_cobain.2.jpg

dane

24-01-2008, 02:23 PM

wow, as a fan or kurt its stange to hear about gay related scenarios..but the cap fits in this sick sad world..

hunkahunka

24-01-2008, 04:10 PM

this just gets weirder and weirder the more I look at it.

-Cobain met his idol, author William S. Burroughs, six months before his (Cobain's ) death in April 1994

-Burroughs was famous for having 'accidentally' shot his wife Joan, fatally, in the forehead, at a party in Mexico, (for which he was never imprisoned) in 1951

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006HAXZ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

-In the year 2000, Cobain's widow Courtney Love played the part of Burrough's murdered wife Joan in a film called 'Beat' , starring Kiefer Sutherland, which was a biographical film about
William S. Burroughs: http://imdb.com/title/tt0211941/

http://www.xlt.lv/blog/images/criterion_collection_naked_lunch.jpg

-the 1991 David Cronenberg film Naked Lunch ( http://imdb.com/title/tt0102511/ ) which was written by David Cronenberg , loosely reflects events in the life of author Burroughs as he wrote the novel Naked Lunch. The main character, writer Bill Lee, works as an 'exterminator' who 'kills bugs with drugs', is himself a drug addict working for the CIA,
spies on drug operations in foreign countries, suffers hallucinations, and answers to a 'controller'.

From:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/William_S._Burroughs
Kerouac (editing Naked Lunch): Bill, what is all this stuff about young naked boys being hanged in limestone caves?

Naked Lunch was semi-autobiographical and featured 'child murder in pedophilic acts' in various portions of it.

titan

25-01-2008, 07:59 PM

hunkahunka

28-01-2008, 04:32 PM

hunkahunka

28-01-2008, 05:24 PM

re: My Own Private Idaho

I think this is a veiled story about a mind controlled project, the main character 'Mike'. Mike was a narcoleptic who experiences missing time, frequently blacking out, and is constantly moved around by a handler/handlers.
(narcolepsy is said to be common among mind controlled people)

In the movie, the life story of Mike fits the model for a mind control victim. He is a homeless teen aged male prostitute suffering from drug addiction and mental problems. It emerges that Mike's birth was the product of an incestuous relationship between Mike's brother and Mike's mother. Mike's mother was jailed for murdering a crooked card dealer who had dared rip off the mob/CIA casino that he had worked for in Reno. Mike was an infant at the time of the murder, and his mother was sent to a psychiatric facility, and Mike actually lived at the psychiatric hospital with her. Assuming she had spent a number of years at the institution undergoing 'treatment' for having committed murder, it would mean that Mike spent his entire early childhood in a psychiatric institute.

So Mike may have been the victim of experiments and procedures from infancy, and completely transformed due to having spent his early life in a psychiatric institution where handlers would have had regular access to him.
It also emerges that Mike's handler, Scott, is none other than the son of the powerful masonic mayor of Portland. Scott moves Mike from one prostitution/crime/drugs scenario to another , regularly traveling with him, with Mike suffering narcoleptic 'blackouts' and missing time throughout the film. Mike also at one point states that he has been with his handler for four years. In the film, the character Mike is roughly sixteen or seventeen years old, which means that Mike has been travelling around with Scott, being prostituted and blacking out since he was twelve or thirteen years old.

I can only speculate here, but what emerges is a picture of a mind-controlled slave who is being used alternately as a child prostitute, possibly an international drug courier, and a street thug who participates in gang muggings. Watch the film.

Gus Van Sant may have written this film with full knowledge of CIA operations, and full knowledge of mind control and how it relates to child prostitution, drug operations, street gangs etc. The alarming thing to me is that the film would have been made to appeal to the 'in crowd' , the people who 'got it' would have loved it, but the general public would have been confused at what they are looking at. What alarms me is that people like Gus Van Sant and his subculture of financial backers and promoters etc. brazenly make films about this sort of thing, knowing that there are huge numbers of 'insiders' who will understand it, while the general public has not a fraction of a clue what they are really watching. It begs the question: how many people secretly know about this stuff? If major films can be done to appeal to large numbers of people , then there may be a hell of a lot of people capable of 'reading between the lines' in enjoying such films.

Question:

Why do strange cryptic little films like 'My Own Private Idaho' reach 'cult status' , when virtually no one normal can figure out what the hell is going on?
Answer:

the term 'cult status' is a hell of a lot more descriptive than you think.

hunkahunka

13-02-2008, 01:56 PM

Here is an example of the kind of metaphors, (what could be termed 'CIA metaphors') embedded in 'Naked Lunch':

In this scene, Peter Weller, (playing the part of William S. Burroughs) is forced to 'prove his credentials' before being allowed entry into the country of 'Annexia'.

So he shoots his wife in the head. At which point , he is told 'Welcome to Annexia'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9CwWpcwe78

It is, imo, a metaphor for how hard-core criminal/satanic secret societies demand that people make incredible personal sacrifices to prove their utter devotion and commitment to the group before being allowed to join:

In this case, William S. Burroughs, who is famous for having 'accidentally' shot his wife in the head, is depicted as actually having carried out the act as a means to gain entry to another secret level or realm of the network.

I am starting to think Kurt Cobain and River Phoenix may have been tied up with this CIA child drug courier/prostitute stuff.
Cobain worshipped homosexual author William Burroughs, who at one point visited Rome, and then lived at a house in Tangiers which was used as a child prostitution brothel , prostituting male Moroccan children to visiting male tourists.
The film 'My Own Private Idaho' depicts a Seattle 16 year old gay-male prostitute who has been living on the streets since he was
twelve, is narcoleptic, suffers blackouts of missing time, and is transported around the world (including Rome). The boy's 'specialty' is apparently a propensity for passing out whenever he is told to disrobe for his customers. (could be some embedded mind control program, in that the act of disrobing under those circumstances is an embedded 'trigger', that makes him pass out or shift into his 'alter' state. The film 'My Own Private Idaho' appears to be showcasing the fruits of the labors of the CIA in some bizarre fashion.
Mike accusing his handler of selling his body for sex 'while he is asleep'.
Cobain is said to have once worked as a gay prostitute to feed his heroin habit, and toured Europe (including Rome) promoting a minor record before becoming famous with his second album. Cobain was also said to be narcoleptic.

Now listen to this bizarre reading by Burroughs , who always wrote semi-autobiographically , speaking of stealing a bag of severed limbs to feed his heroin habit (with , bizarrely, a heroin-addicted Kurt Cobain providing the background music. Cobain arranged to do this project with Burroughs, and later traveled to meet with Burroughs at his cottage) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pfd3OtPQoA#cDv82sCD0b4

First, it is as yet no certainty for me that
Burroughs was CIA. I think it likely that he was. He says that he was almost recruited, and says that someone scuttled it for him, but who knows what the truth is ? Put it this way, if he had worked as a killer for the CIA, would he be eager to piss off the CIA by broadcasting that to the world?
Of course not. He would issue a denial of any relation to the CIA, if he knew what was good for him.

anyone interested in this should see his biography film on Google video:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=919...h&plindex=0

it shows him posing with his weapons collection.
He always said "write what you know about" and openly admits that most of his work is semi-autobiographical, so when he starts writing doing heroin about a bag containing severed brown legs, it does get interesting.
He lived in Mexico, South America, Morrocco

from Wikipedia:
*
When he found Rome and Ansen’s company dreary, inspired by Paul Bowles' fiction, he decided to head for Tangier, Morocco.[13] In a home owned by a known procurer of homosexual prostitutes for visiting American and English men, he rented a room and began to write a large body of text that he personally referred to as Interzone[14]. Burroughs lived in Tangier for several months, before returning to the United States where he suffered several personal indignities- Ginsberg was in California and refused to see him, A. A. Wyn, the publisher of Junkie, was not forthcoming with his royalties and his parents were threatening to cut off his allowance. All signs pointed him back to Tangier, a place where his parents would have to continue the support and one where drugs were freely available. He left in November 1954 and spent the next four years there working on the fiction that would later become Naked Lunch, as well as attempting to write commercial articles about Tangier. He sent these writings to Ginsberg, his literary agent for Junkie, but none were published until 1989 when Interzone, a collection of short stories, was published. Under the strong influence of a marijuana confection known as majoun and a German-made opioid called Eukodol (oxycodone), Burroughs settled in to write. Eventually, Ginsberg and Kerouac, who had traveled to Tangier in 1957, helped Burroughs edit these episodes into Naked Lunch.[15]
*
another interesting fact is that Burroughs often forgot having written some of the material, the drug-addled writings got so biographical and so bizarre at points that it prompted some alarm among Kerouac and Ginsberg:
"Bill, what's all this stuff about boys being hung in limestone caves?"

Another interesting film to watch is David Cronenburg's Naked Lunch,
which is written by Cronenberg and not based directly on Burrough's book of that name, but a story about the main character who is a composite assembled by Cronenberg of William Burrough's various characters.
The main character is someone who talks of being on 'assignment' by his handlers, and travels on missions to different foreign locations, and in contact with dark skinned homosexual boy prostitutes. It also, grotesquely, mentions illicit trafficking in something called 'the real black meat', which is depicted as dead black bugs. In fact the main character is at one an exterminator who kills 'bugs' with
by spraying them with an overdose of addictive chemicals.

So here's this guy with a weapons collection who travels around the world with a heroin habit who writes stories about being under the control of handlers, a gay heroin addict, and bags of severed legs etc.
Then I hear that Cobain did the background music for one of Burrough's
audio readings and it gets even weirder. I find out that Burroughs murdered his wife 'by accident' , shooting her in the head. I find out that Cobain worked
as homosexual teen prostitute to feed his heroin habit at one time before becoming successful in music and was later obsessed with William Burroughs.
Then I find out that after the heroin addicted Cobain was found shot in the head, with many speculating that his wife Courtney Love had motive to have him killed,Courtney goes on to a career as an actress, and to play the part of Burrough's murdered shot in the head wife Joan in the film 'Beat' which was based on the life of William Burroughs.

It has been said that Jeffrey Dahmer may have been MKUltra, some sort of MKUltra experiment gone wrong, or the fall guy for a group
of people who were involved. (anyone remember the story of how the police let Dahmer go when they caught him abusing a bleeding boy?
Ever wonder what type of hand signals or code words may have gotten Dahmer out of that situation? Or maybe they ran his name, and found
his file flagged with some sort of 'hands off' designation?)
Kay Griggs has said in interviews that she thinks Jeffrey Dahmer was connected to CIA black ops.

Jeffrey Dahmer preyed on young male heroin addicted prostitutes, many of them of black or foreign descent, and severed their limbs, etc.
I do think it would have been interesting to hear what William Burroughs thought of the Jeffery Dahmer situation. (I was not saying that I thought his audio story was based on Dahmer. I meant that Burroughs seemed to have prior knowledge of similar situations, so it would have been interesting to hear what he had to say about it.)

some interesting details of Burroughs' life:

- at 15 he was sent to a Masonic training camp known as 'ranch school'.
- he was a known member of the occult order the OTO

Also, the title of this thread is incorrect. I would not use the term 'CIA agent' in reference to Burroughs. The phrase that I used was "Burroughs was CIA",
ie: an asset , possibly an MKUltra mind controlled assassin who did not even officially work as a CIA agent, but was nonetheless an asset performing work for the agency under various 'alters'.
His writings seem to suggest involvement with alter egos, missing time,
violence, and narcotics .

This could also explain why someone high up ensured that Burroughs got away with fatally shooting his own wife in the head.

related thread:

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=42...26936#post12388

It is a common mafia tactic to demand proof that a commissioned hit has been carried out, in the form of a hand or finger provided from the corpse of the victim.

I would recommend that anyone who watches Naked Lunch watch it with an eye for metaphor.
The film could be a metaphor for what William Burroughs true life was.
It could be that he worked as an assassin for the CIA exterminating 'bugs' (bothersome targets, security risks, people who knew too much etc.), and that there is a sideline to this profession in selling the actual body parts of one's targets on some human flesh market.

Could this be what Dahmer truly was? Another Burroughs, who killed heroin junkies, 'projects', child prostitutes, drug mules,
etc., for the CIA to shut them up once they had outlived their usefulness?

supertzar

14-02-2008, 04:37 PM

I agree.
I just do not buy the story that after just a year, Cobain was sick enough of singing the song that made his dreams come true, that he would short-change fans , (on a whim) , who had paid him good money to suffer through playing it again. An entertainer is there to provide his fans pleasure. He is not there to entertain himself. I credit Cobain with more decency than some do, who say
Cobain just decided to hate the song one day and ruin things for those who liked it. He probaby had an excellent reason for
disliking the song. Cobain played his ten year old music repetitively at the concerts with no problem. These were songs that he had played far longer and far more often than Smells Like Teen Spirit, yet he had no problem with repetition as far as those songs went. Cobain also played old Cars radio hits at his concerts, stuff that had been played to death on the radio, like 'My Best Friends Girl'. If he was such the purist that everyone makes him out to be, he should not have been caught dead doing that, but he did it nonetheless. Imagine spending years as a cover band doing old punk songs and old Led Zeppelin songs without complaint, and then a short time later being paid a couple of hundred thousand a night just to make teenaged girls smile and scream at you, with a certain three minute song, and then wrinkling your nose at it all and saying. "EEEew, how droll. It is most definitely beneath me to do so any longer." Excuse me? This from a guy who slept under a bridge at one point?

He played other songs from Nevermind with gusto, and never left them out, such as In Bloom and Lithium. Songs that were created at the same time and played with the same frequency that he played SLTS or Come As You Are. There are some who say those two songs were overplayed on radio, which is why Cobain got sick of them. You think he sat around jerking off to the radio all day on his days off getting sick of the songs? I doubt it. He was too busy to listen to the radio at that time of his life, so radio popularity is a non-factor here.

So why were just the two songs Smells Like Teen Spirit and Come As You Are continually butchered or avoided? I don't see it as a mere coincidence that along comes this guy who lays claim to penning the same two songs. I see no reason for this guy to just manufacture the whole story, and it neatly explains Cobain's aversion to those two songs. Playing those two songs, his biggest hits, should have been the highlight of Cobains night, if only for the pleasure which he could bring to others by playing them. We are supposed to believe he denied people that, but also earned the wrath of the promoters and record company, on some selfish little tirade? It is ridiculous. THat would be like a restaurant that earns its living serving the best pizza in the city deciding one night, on a whim, to send its customers pizza without the cheese, because they themselves were 'sick of cheese'.
IT is ludicrous. Imagine all the customers opening up their pizza boxes , freshly delivered, to find their cheeseless pizzas!

"Oh, I hear Mario's got bored with cheese. They are sick of the commercial predictability of cheese pizza, and besides, its over-rated."
In Nirvana's case, its even worse. How many restaurateurs earn the kind of money that they did for one nights dancing around?
Cobain was being paid to deliver, paid big money.

It is F***ing ridiculous. Cobain had to have another reason for doing that, and it was not 'artistic purity', imo. He was tired of singing the song because it always reminded him of what he dreaded. Exposure. Fraud. Shame. If what this guy is saying is true (and I think it is) every time he played the song , he'd be sickened by it. And scared by it. He'd be expecting each new city to be the possible home of the writer, each tour date one closer to the inevitable day that someone came knocking on the door, or ringing his phone, saying "Hey Kurt, I have a tape of my band that proves we did that song three years before you recorded it. "
It may be that he committed suicide partially to avoid ever seeing that day.

I can understand veteran bands like the Rolling Stones (Mick Jagger) getting sick of singing at aged 30, 40, or 50, songs that they recorded as teenagers, with fans expecting them to still sound the same and look the same and think the same as they did thirty years ago.

I can understand Eric Clapton eventually morphing 'Layla' into a more dignified version , befitting the veteran blues man that he'd become.

I can imagine Aerosmith dreading another rendition of 'Dream ON' or 'Walk this Way' thirty years later. I can see Bowie vomiting at the thought of stuttering 'ch ch ch ch changezzzzzzzzzzz' again .

The night's gate receipts are neither dependent or resplendent on one or three songs. These people , these megastars, have literally dozens of hits behind them to make the night a success.

I cannot imagine Nirvana in the same context . I refuse to delude myself into believing that it was the same situation. They had ONE hit record:
Nevermind.
There were three or four big hits on it. To most of their fans, including the promoters and record company execs among them,
the two major hits were Smells Like Teen Spirit and Come As You Are, and these songs were not even a year old before Cobain began screwing with them. Mocking them, avoiding them. It was almost like he was expecting the sh** to hit the fan, and he wanted to be able to say "Hey, you all know that I hated those songs and never liked to play them. Shit, I even parodied them. Remember?"

Reluctantly. They played it reluctantly, but they had to play it , for obvious reasons.

I know of someone who used to follow the band around when they were in his REGION, and he saw them live in about five different cities on the same tour. According to him, in every city that he caught them in, Cobain played Come As You Are in a slightly different key, and almost always did something to change it, whether it was botching the guitar solo slightly, skipping a verse, or changing lyrics slightly. These were things that someone like him would notice, a truly obsessed fan, while most people would not. He said the same thing went for Smells Like Teen Spirit. Cobain would do small things to the tuning or key of it, shorten it, distort it, but what he noticed most of all was Cobain's lack of enthusiasm for singing it. The song was always set to be the highlight of the night, and Cobain would sing it mechanically and emotionlessly. By contrast, he belted out flawless and emotive versions of all his other songs. The end result was always the same . A subtle feeling of disappointment at the end of the night. A feeling something had been held back or had gone missing.

Cobain was forced to explain this in interviews. People were noticing and asking about it. and he would answer with things like "we sold out with that record (Nevermind)"

Here is a review of a DVD that Nirvana put out of their live performances called Nirvana Live!Tonight! (1994)
'The performances:
The setlist would have been fine, but a few of the songs are not fully included. An elitist and mean tease of the audience with a few seconds of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" before breaking off and Kurt saying the band wasn't going to perform that one (Why, then start it at all?) is only complimented with a pretend performance of the song with Kurt mockingly lowering his voice, and even this footage ends during the guitar solo. "Come as You Are" also suffers from an irritating singing style choice that Kurt felt reflected his artistic passion that night, rather than some perverse joy from screwing with fans and ruining a song the band had probably spent weeks if not months perfecting in studio.'

They were supposed to play Smells Like Teen Spirit at Video Music Awards in 1992, and Cobain refused, and they ended up doing 'Lithium'.

btw, on the back page of "The Muddy Banks Of The Wishkah", a live compilation CD of their biggest hits, turn it over and look at the credits: "All songs written by Kurt Cobain except "Smells Like Teen Spirit and Scentless Apprentice". And notice 'Come As You Are' was not even included on it. There is no live version of Come As You Are on a live compilation album of their biggest hits? wtf???
btw, Scentless Apprentice is officially known to have been written by all three members of Nirvana. There is no explanation of who wrote Smells Like Teen Spirit. The other band members have never claimed to have written it.

"We're going on tour this year and we're gonna have a whole new set
with whole new songs so that we don't ever have to play Smells Like
Teen Spirit again. I mean it's a great song but for many people it's
like the only Nirvana song and that's upsetting" - Kris and Dave

I ask again:
What in the hell is so upsetting about getting rich while bringing joy to millions of people by singing a f***ing 3 minute song?

Now we know the answer.

You have to understand the punk rock mentality to know why he hated playing SMTS. They never set out to be big rock stars. They just wanted to rock. Nirvana was at home in grungy little clubs that held 400 people, not in 40,000 seat arenas. That was for bands that they hated. They were mortified that normal kids everywhere were rocking out to their 'hits.' The last thing they wanted was to pander to 'the public.' To be themselves they had to have some obscurity. Being transformed into a product was devastating to their sense of identity.

hunkahunka

14-02-2008, 09:51 PM

hunkahunka

14-02-2008, 10:07 PM

You have to understand the punk rock mentality to know why he hated playing SMTS. They never set out to be big rock stars. They just wanted to rock. Nirvana was at home in grungy little clubs that held 400 people, not in 40,000 seat arenas. That was for bands that they hated. They were mortified that normal kids everywhere were rocking out to their 'hits.' The last thing they wanted was to pander to 'the public.' To be themselves they had to have some obscurity. Being transformed into a product was devastating to their sense of identity.

Oh come on, they agree to make millions touring the world, and one day they are suddenly sent into diabetic shock, due to revulsion at the revelation that normal people, the enemy, are suckers enough to shell out $75/pounds for a ticket, $15/pounds for the CD, $34/pounds for the matching t-shirt, & the privilege of jostling like cattle while hanging on their every word? That would be the ultimate revenge on the normies. Hardly worth crying over.

Nah, not buying the official story , sorry. None of it makes sense.

If its that bad, you cancel the tour. You give the people their money back.
It is like a pizza chef getting sick of making pizza for his restaurant because he is sick of the smell of cheese (after only six months) . If its that bad, you close the restaurant. You don't print up an extra ten thousand flyers hyping your pizza, invite the customers in, let them order pizza, and then give them cheeseless pizza.

It doesn't make sense that he would short change fans like that for 'artistic integrity' , and then do 'Cars' covers.

To keep with the pizza analogy, here is a better explanation of what happened.
A pizza restaurant decides to start using frozen pizza that it did not make to fill certain orders.
The pizza catches on , and soon there are thousands of people addicted to the frozen pizza.
The chef gets pissed off that he has to lie to his customers, and also pissed off that the idiot
public are so gullible, and so tacky, that they would prefer frozen pizza over his own home made pizza.
He's also worried that he'll be discovered serving frozen pizza in his restaurant.
So the next time the orders come in, he refuses to fill them, and instead forces them to eat
his own home made stuff.

That is exactly what happened with SLTS and CAYA. Cobain saw the songs as frozen pizza,
and felt like a fake .

zero1

14-02-2008, 10:21 PM

Cobain was used, and hated what he was used for.

hunkahunka

14-02-2008, 11:35 PM

Cobain was used, and hated what he was used for.

Of course he was used. Entertainers are always used. That is their job.
No one forced him to become an entertainer. He had wanted that all
his life.

imo, it is a pile of crap that he did not want success.
Success is incremental. It creeps up on you.
He would have stayed alone in his basement after the first taste of the
'big time' (relative contrast) playing parties or playing local bars if that were the case.
The trouble didn't start until SLTS and CAYA, because he did not
write them.

2013

14-02-2008, 11:39 PM

Yes, I wouldn't rule it out.

But what about the die young famous forever thing?

Jim Morrisons death probably increased the Doors popularity. Although at the time, early 70's, I don't know if it made much impact on their music in terms of sales.

Uknown Soldier was political. Anti-war.

Now......the lizard king.....where did that come from?

What I am proud of though, is how the hippie movement were a thorn in the side of the NWO order establishment. At the height of the very worst methods of mind control (I hope) we had this beautiful movement for peace. From giving LSD to children and putting them through horrors to a tab taking teenager being moved enough to join peace movements.

I think it was a major setback for them.

I have read that kissinger started the hippy movement but cant find a link to it yet i will post if i do , have spoken to some old "hippy" types and they seem to think this is the case as well , check this article plus the replies as well som einsights there . :D

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/06/03/hippy-infiltration/

Lately, I’ve been getting more and more interested in the hippies and drug culture of the 60’s and 70’s - plus the New Age movement which they spawned. Specifically, my ears having been perking up more and more to the possibility that there was more going on than there seemed. I keep coming across oblique references to various big name figures in these movements being linked to CIA and other such government-type shit. Once I have some free time to do a proper job, I’m going to start cataloguing and connecting some dots with some of these names - if only to establish a pattern, rather than to draw any concrete conclusions at this point. What have you guys heard on this topic? The FBI’s COINTELPRO infiltration of the anti-war movement seems to be the most “credible” place to start, but I’d like to go much deeper than that. Does anybody have any other good trails to follow? Some ones I’ve seen lately (off the top of my head) that bear looking into: Charles Manson, Tim Leary, Urantia, Process Church, Scientology, Esalen, “est”, Anton LaVey, the Council of Nine, Gene Roddenberry, Uri Geller, Andrija Puharich, Jim Jones, the Grateful Dead, the Beach Boys, the Beatles… really, there are a million possibilities. If we throw them all up in the air together, something’s gotta happen. I’m also looking at stuff about the medical and psychological testing the government did with LSD, various mind control stuff, prison experiments, political assassinations, etc. Let’s try and start with the hippies, drugs and the New Age stuff, and then move out from there. Anybody has any good ideas or leads (plus links), I’d love to hear all about them…

hunkahunka

14-02-2008, 11:46 PM

I have read that kissinger started the hippy movement but cant find a link to it yet i will post if i do , have spoken to some old "hippy" types and they seem to think this is the case as well , check this article plus the replies as well som einsights there . :D

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/06/03/hippy-infiltration/

Lately, I’ve been getting more and more interested in the hippies and drug culture of the 60’s and 70’s - plus the New Age movement which they spawned. Specifically, my ears having been perking up more and more to the possibility that there was more going on than there seemed. I keep coming across oblique references to various big name figures in these movements being linked to CIA and other such government-type shit. Once I have some free time to do a proper job, I’m going to start cataloguing and connecting some dots with some of these names - if only to establish a pattern, rather than to draw any concrete conclusions at this point. What have you guys heard on this topic? The FBI’s COINTELPRO infiltration of the anti-war movement seems to be the most “credible” place to start, but I’d like to go much deeper than that. Does anybody have any other good trails to follow? Some ones I’ve seen lately (off the top of my head) that bear looking into: Charles Manson, Tim Leary, Urantia, Process Church, Scientology, Esalen, “est”, Anton LaVey, the Council of Nine, Gene Roddenberry, Uri Geller, Andrija Puharich, Jim Jones, the Grateful Dead, the Beach Boys, the Beatles… really, there are a million possibilities. If we throw them all up in the air together, something’s gotta happen. I’m also looking at stuff about the medical and psychological testing the government did with LSD, various mind control stuff, prison experiments, political assassinations, etc. Let’s try and start with the hippies, drugs and the New Age stuff, and then move out from there. Anybody has any good ideas or leads (plus links), I’d love to hear all about them…

google 'operation chaos peace movement CIA'
and you will find your links.

2013

14-02-2008, 11:50 PM

2013

14-02-2008, 11:51 PM

google 'operation chaos peace movement CIA'
and you will find your links.

will do thanks again for another good link :D

supertzar

15-02-2008, 06:25 PM

they agree to make millions touring the world, and one day they are suddenly sent into diabetic shock, due to revulsion at the revelation that normal people, the enemy, are suckers enough to shell out $75/pounds for a ticket, $15/pounds for the CD, $34/pounds for the matching t-shirt, & the privilege of jostling like cattle while hanging on their every word?

Not exactly, but basically, yes. That's cool if you don't believe it, doesn't matter to me. I was one of the people that followed Nirvana from the beginning and I think I have a pretty good understanding of their embarrassment at becoming a household name.

dane

15-02-2008, 07:15 PM

hunkahunka

15-02-2008, 10:43 PM

yeah heard some shit about the process church and the beatles.
cia musician mindcontrol i find is the hardest thing to research its carefully hidden.
hollywood is basically one big occultic hypnotism for onlookers of the world to stay mesmerized in and its a nest for satanic churches

to be honest, I never thought I'd see the day that a comment such as the above made perfect sense to me!
But you are spot, smoking , on.

dane

16-02-2008, 12:05 PM

hunkahunka

16-02-2008, 02:12 PM

thanks hunka,

Hollywood turned entertainment of the visual art kind, into a major brainwashing hub.the beginnings of hollywood to me was the death of honest theatre.
every peice of media has evil agendas nowdays at the slightest level, satanic rule controls Hollywood just search for the word's meaning and it speaks for its self. these satanic churches in hollywood are where the 'legends' go to sell their souls for the physical dream believing thats all they got to strive for.only to be killed young once there purpose is served.the way in which they go about soul debting is pretty much how the charles manson thing played out,a n insane devil worshipping mind controlled slave carries out the soul collection for satan via satanic churches in hollywood. it turns a saying/theory/rumour into a possibly simple explanation.

and most actors of hollywood are even from birth bred n raised to find there way to the top of some art only to get there and be controlled or manipulated to manipulate others, i see actors and actresses as sellouts of mankind, whether they were slaves from the start or not, which is more often than not the case.

so...some C.i.A prick wrote the lyrics 'man i swear that i dont have a gun'
so people pick it up as a classic sarcastic grunge threat for suicidal tendencies? oh that song lyric tells me he did shoot himself..that sarcastic grunge bastard..nooo not if they didnt write it and refused to play it...the perfect crime..

Everything I find out about Gus Van Sant leads to more connections to
this CIA activity.
He is now going to be directing a new film out next year called
'The Electric KoolAid Acid Test', http://slyoyster.com/moviestv/2007/gus-vant-sant-drinking-the-electric-kool-aid/

The movie is all about a CIA-sponsored group called the 'The Merry Pranksters' who toured America in the mid-sixties, methodically distributing marijuana, amphetamines, and LSD.

Names connected to this group include Kesey, Kerouac, Ginsberg, Hunter Thompson, and even William Burroughs , who appeared at a Kesey organized hippy poetry festival in the mid-seventies.

Interesting factoids:

-Charles Manson and his LSD cult stayed at Spahn Ranch, a movie set,
in the California desert, where several Hell's Angels movies were created.

-the Hells Angels have been traditionally comprised of drug-addicted ex-military types returning from secretive overseas assignments with CIA special forces units, black-ops, marines, navy seals units , etc.

check out the trailer for the 1969 film 'Nam's Angels':
http://images.blockbuster.com/is/amg/dvd/cov150/drt400/t434/t43419z2z46.jpg
http://www.trailerfan.com/movie/nam_angels/trailer

-the U.S. government sponsors subsidized Harley Davidson purchases
and deliveries for overseas U.S. military personnel

http://www.paulsmilitarysales.com/harleydavidsonmilitarysales1.htm
Featured in this website is the Special Military Pricing for Harley Davidson Military Sales Program
the AAFES/NEXCOM program was authorized by the U.S. Congress in the mid-1960's. They make sure you are able to purchase a Harley Davidson , wherever you are stationed overseas, at a fair price, with convenience, choice, and exceptional service.

very interesting thread containing a wealth of such information:

http://www.theblackvault.com/ftopict-61741.html

dane

19-02-2008, 01:42 PM

good info hunka im looking into it all now im just away atm

hunkahunka

19-02-2008, 02:08 PM

did you know that Cobain was a fan of J.D. Salinger too?
Ring any bells?
Also, the character Mike , played by River Phoenix, is depicted to be about sixteen/seventeen years old, but he reveals in conversation with Scott, his
sidekick/pimp, that he has been with Scott on the streets for four years.
This means that Mike has been being prostituted since at least as early
as thirteen. Thirteen!

And think of how Gus Van Sant was a young writer who knew William Burroughs and worked with him at the age of 33, and then later wrote 'My Own Private Idaho' at the age of 39. Burroughs is famous for his advice to 'write about what you know'. Can you think of a young protege of Burroughs daring to write about anything other than something he had been directly involved in? He would not dare.
In other words, 'My Own Private Idaho' would have to have been based more closely on real events , either directly involving Van Sant, or something
esoteric that he had special firsthand knowledge of, than most people realize.
So just what is it exactly that the Portland-based Van Sant was involved with which included:

strippers
youth gangs
Portland political/police corruption
interstate/international homosexual child prostitution
narcotic drugs
muggings
casinos
murder
psychiatric institutions
narcolepsy
missing time
illegitimacy ?

deliciously_fresh

19-02-2008, 02:41 PM

Interesting posts in this thread.

hunkahunka

05-03-2008, 01:06 PM

interesting video regarding 'author' William Burroughs:

William Burroughs: CIA killer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPPjzxFyRjY

talkingchimp

05-03-2008, 01:12 PM

so many great musicians have died in mysterious circumstances aside from kurt, there was jeff buckley, john lennon, joplin, hendrix, all of them free thinkers.......many more aside. keep piecing it all togther guys.

joyful

05-03-2008, 05:12 PM

Courtney paid someone to get rid of him. He is the highest earning dead musician.

www.cobaincase.com

COURTNEY LOVE WAS FACING A DIVORCE
Kurt was in the process of leaving Seattle and his wife Courtney, when he was found dead.

Courtney knew Kurt wanted out of the marriage. Just weeks prior to his death, she asked one of her attorneys to get the "meanest, most vicious divorce lawyer" she could find.

SOMEONE WAS USING KURT'S CREDIT CARD
One of Kurt's credit cards was missing when his body was discovered.

Someone was attempting to use the missing credit card after Cobain died, but the attempts stopped when his body was discovered.

COBAIN WAS IN FEAR OF HIS LIFE
The shotgun found at the scene was purchased BEFORE Cobain left for rehab in Los Angeles, NOT AFTER he fled the rehab as reported by misinformed media sources.

The shotgun was fully loaded with three shells. It was purchased and loaded for protection, not suicide.

The police claim there were no legible fingerprints on this shotgun!

The truth is, the shotgun wasn't even checked for fingerprints until May 6th, nearly one month after Cobain's body was found.

THERE WAS NO "SUICIDE" NOTE!!
The note found at the scene by the police was immediately labeled as a "suicide note." The police report states it was "apparently written by Cobain to his wife and daughter, explaining why he had killed himself."

But this note was not addressed to Kurt's wife and daughter and it says nothing about "killing himself!" This note was clearly written to Cobain's fans telling them he was quitting the music business. There was only a short footnote to Courtney and Frances and the handwriting contained in those lines has been questioned by several handwriting experts.

COURTNEY HAD ANOTHER NOTE SHE KEPT IN SECRET!
Courtney was in possession of a second note after Kurt's body was found! SHE DIDN'T TELL ANYONE about this second note until several months later when information about it slipped out during an interview with Rolling Stone Magazine.

The second note, the one that Courtney kept in secret, clearly defines the first note which was found at the scene of Cobain's death. The "second note" from Kurt plainly states he was leaving Courtney and he was leaving Seattle. He was NOT leaving the planet!

COBAIN WAS INJECTED WITH 3 TIMES A LETHAL DOSE OF HEROIN!!
Cobain's heroin, (morphine), blood level was 1.52 mgs per liter. This would require a minimum injection of 225 mgs of heroin, three times a lethal dose, even for a hardcore heroin addict! The drug Diazepam, was also found in Cobain's blood system.

THE OBVIOUS QUESTIONS:
1. If Cobain injected himself with a deliberate heroin overdose, why would he ALSO shoot himself in the head with a shotgun, leaving his baby daughter - the love of his life - with horrific visual images to remember him by? Why not just "go to sleep" on the overdose and never wake up?

2. IF Cobain injected three times a lethal dose of heroin, COULD he then pick up a shotgun and shoot himself? Wouldn't he have been immediately incapacitated?

Based on the heroin, (morphine), blood levels found in Cobain's body, preliminary research indicates Kurt Cobain would have been immediately incapacitated. He could not have picked up that shotgun. He could not have pulled that trigger!

IN ADDITION...
Cobain was not barricaded inside the room as reported by misinformed media sources.

The stool which was supposedly wedged" against the door was actually just sitting in front of the two unlocked doors that only led out to a balcony.

Cobain did not leave his Driver’s License out for identification as reported by misinformed media sources.

The first police officer on the scene found Cobain's closed wallet, opened it to remove Kurt's driver's license, and displayed it in order to take a photograph.

THE FACT IS...
The police and the Medical Examiner have no forensic evidence that proves Cobain's death was a suicide. On the other hand, there's a substantial amount of evidence for murder.

The official verdict of "suicide" was simply a rush to judgement which eventually painted the authorities into a corner as reports of so-called "copy-cat" suicides began making the news.

As you examine this case carefully, you're going to discover there's much more to the events surrounding Cobain's death than what you've been told.

hunkahunka

06-03-2008, 08:08 PM

cataleptik

06-03-2008, 09:09 PM

I personally think Courtney Love had Kurt murdered.

Grunge was NEVER a rebellious movement really , it was about apathy - ' Here we are now , Entertain Us '. Grunge appealed to slackers who didn't really care about politics or rebellion , who were a bit depressed maybe.

However Kurt did suffer from a mysterious stomach complaint which seemed to be psychosomatic ( doctors couldn't find any medical cause for it ) and , bizarrely enough , some sort of narcolepsy.

He was homeless living under a bridge at one point , so maybe he was picked up by security agents and experimented on. However I don't think the CIA had anything to do with his death.
http://www.maj.com/gallery/cataleptik/diskordea/hollywood/the_nerve_of_some_people.gif
it's always been bullshit to suggest that clove killed her husband.

and grunge was about apathy, true. it was also about misery and disgust, not ONLY apathy, and kurt was miserable and disgusted with himself, he hated himself, and the way his life was making him feel. he wanted to die...

'apathetic' was the conditioning mindset that major media attempted to force on we who were once called gen-x. many were too disgusted with what was offered -- the choices, the virtual enslavement, the military global presence -- we didn't want to affix our names to it. thus disgust.

disgust!!!

pain...
you know i'm right.

umbrex

07-03-2008, 04:31 PM

after seeing the movie (an auto biografy), i believe curt killed himself..

synergy777

07-03-2008, 08:39 PM

as an aspie, i found good will hunting a cool movie, i also like rain man, beautiful mind and pi

i think the elite/courtney had something to do with kurts death.

hunkahunka

09-03-2008, 11:07 PM

the link to the film 'Elephant' on Youtube has been repaired. See the
whole film here:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=0C0FB600D0BDF98A

(Gus Van Sant showcases more CIA
mind control here, imo)

hunkahunka

10-03-2008, 07:12 AM

a mind-blowing conspiracy to profit on the death of musicians in revealing that the music industry titan David Geffen built his fortune when he signed both John Lennon and Kurt Cobain to his label just prior to their deaths, and reaped millions in profits on the subsequent publicity that both records enjoyed.

Quote:
DAVID GEFFEN
In 1991 Nirvana's contract (Sub Pop) was bought out by Geffen. Nirvana were the first non-mainstream band to join the label.
Geffen Records was founded in 1980 by music industry businessman David Geffen who struck a deal with Warner Bros Records to create Geffen Records. Geffen Records' first signee was disco superstar Donna Summer, whose gold-selling album The Wanderer became the label's first release in 1980. The label followed it up with Double Fantasy by John Lennon and Yoko Ono. It was Lennon's first album of all-new material in several years. Two days after it entered the charts, Lennon was assassinated in New York City. Subsequently, the album went on to sell millions and gave Geffen its first number-one album and single.
The December release of John Lennon's album Double Fantasy seems an impressive feat for a new label, but at the time Lennon stated that Geffen was the only one with enough confidence in him to agree to a deal without hearing the record first. In December 1980 Lennon was fatally shot and Double Fantasy became a massive seller.
The death of Lennon seems very fortunate for Geffen and years later that 'luck' again would surface with the death of Kurt Cobain.
Courtney Love, Cobain's wife was also in a band who were signed to Geffen called Hole. Four days after Cobain's death Hole released an album called coincidently, Live Through This. It was a commercial and critical success. Rolling Stone, Spin and the Village Voice all declared it "Album of the Year", and by November the record was certified gold. By April 1995, it went platinum. Many people believe that Love had something to do with the death of Kurt. Rumors were rife that he wanted a divorce and that he was going to cut her out of his estate. Tom Grant a Private Investigator who was initially hired by Love to keep a track on Kurt certainly believes that Love was involved in his death.
Re: Courtney Love

River Phoenix was known to have been raised in a 'hippie commune',
the Children of God cult, and check this information on Courtney Love:

[quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtney_Love
Early life

Courtney Michelle Harrison was born in San Francisco, California to a family of Irish and Jewish descent[3] . Love's biological family broke apart rapidly while she was still very young. During a child custody case following Love's parents' divorce, both her mother and one of her girlfriends presented letters to the court implying her father had given the child, then three years old, LSD.[4] these allegations led to full custody being awarded to Love's mother. Love then spent a troubled childhood with her mother as she wandered through three husbands and as many hippie communes in Oregon, and various schools including a boarding school in Nelson, New Zealand
So here we have quite the circle forming with River Phoenix and Courtney Love both being raised by hippie communes. It is established that the Beatnik and Hippie movements were outgrowths of the CIA.

Then we have CIA hippie cult the Manson Family linked to the Beatles song 'Helter Skelter'(John Lennon), Sharon Tate, and the Dakota where Lennon was shot.
Then some speculation that hippie-cult-raised LSD child Courtney Love may have killed Kurt Cobain. Both of the murders enriching widows who were themselves both talentless, heroin-using aspiring musicians (Yoko Ono and Courtney Love) and enriching of course, David Geffen himself.

Interesting too that Kurt Cobain secretly collaborated with wife Courtney Love for her band Hole's second record 'Live Through This', (writing much of the music and doing some background vocals) , which was released four days after Cobain's death and went double platinum on the publicity of Cobain's death.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/71/Hole-album-livethroughthis.jpg/200px-Hole-album-livethroughthis.jpg

Love's label: Geffen Records. Not at all surprising that she signed with Geffen.

So, just like John Lennon and Yoko Ono collaborated together on an album (Double Fantasy) which made Lennon's widow Yoko Ono famous right after Lennons shooting death, Kurt and Courtney collaborated on 'Live Through This', which made Cobain's widow Courtney Love famous, right after Cobains shooting death.

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/religionnaire/artistes/80s/art/double_fantasy.jpg

2013

10-03-2008, 01:38 PM

speaking of mind control, many people have documented evidence pointing to mind-control conditioning of school shooters such as the boys at Columbine and the shooter at Virginia Tech.

So, with that in mind, guess which movie director's name has cropped up again in connection with mind control?

Gus Van Sant . His 2003 film 'Elephant' (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363589/) is based upon the Columbine shootings, perpetrated by two homosexual youths.
Watch the film (as a playlist) here (you need a Youtube registration id):

http://www.youtube.com/my_playlists?p=0C0FB600D0BDF98A

or see part 1 of 8 parts here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe1WD4Qful0

Gus Van Sant is unreal.
First he brought us the mind controlled gay child prostitutes of 'My Own
Private Idaho', then he did a film on mind control victim Kurt Cobain in
'Last Days'. Then he did 'Elephant' , showcasing the CIA's mind-controlled
assassins. His next project is 2009's Electric Koolaid Acid Test, a nostalgic
look back at the CIA's LSD distribution plan in the 1960's.

Could it be any more obvious that Gus Van Sant and his entire milieu
are CIA?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hGsoyElv4ZL879LW6z2aZS0Pix7AD8VA14500
'Vast Array of Drugs in Drinking Water

'A vast array of pharmaceuticals — including antibiotics, anti-convulsants, mood stabilizers and sex hormones — have been found in the drinking water supplies of at least 41 million Americans, an Associated Press investigation shows.'

(See this week's David Icke Newsletter)

Read more ...

A friend from a meditation group once said that the chemicals in such things as plastics IE babies bottles and drinking water bottles were leaching into our bodies creating chemical changes and turning more people gay ! .I put it down to his generation , although being aware of chemicals effects to health .But now due to fish and birds altering their sex because of the chemicals filtering into the water supply from birth control pills amongst other things I'm not sure he wasn't right .Linked to the films you mention above , their does seem to be a wave of promotion for this type of behavior , and while we are progressing and becoming more tolerant as a society for peoples freedoms to be who they are or want to be which is how it should be , could there be something to this .After all if they plan everything they do to the last little detail maybe part of the depopulation programme would be encouraging same sex couples to avoid more births , get the ones the war and other disease cant kill ? :D

jackie73

10-03-2008, 03:40 PM

all i know about this is their is no way he killed himself the level of smack in his system when he died would have made it impossible to lift a shotgun.

greenleaf

10-03-2008, 04:54 PM

http://www.imageshack.us/?pickup=80112940232462
80112940232462

hunkahunka

11-03-2008, 10:37 PM

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w222/laurancotter/kurt_cobain_seattle.jpg

http://img146.imagevenue.com/loc980/th_34035_cobainbluedress_122_980lo.jpg

Re: My Own Private Idaho ( I da ho: as in "I da hoh, bro?") ) being based on the addicted, narcoleptic Kurt Cobain, I found this interesting
information on the writing and making of the film. In the original screenplay by Gus Van San, the script and part for the main character Mike (played by River Phoenix) was written originally as the character being a heroin using, narcoleptic street kid with dreams of making it big as a rock star.

The kid that recounts the rape tale is a real 'street kid' ( his real name is Mike Parker) who was originally going to play River Phoenix's character 'Mike Waters'. Keanu Reeves character was initially also to be played by a real hustler and friend of Gus Van Sants', named Scott. Van Sant wanted Reeves and Phoenix and sent them scripts directly, as he knew agents wouldn't put them through due to the content, and both actors said 'yes' (obviously) so the original choices, Scott and Mike Parker, were demoted to 'street kid' roles.

http://img153.imagevenue.com/loc1041/th_68213_myownprivateidaho_122_1041lo.jpg

Just to clarify also, the parts were not written based on the real hustlers lives. Van Sant gave the characters the same first name of the boys who were originally to play them.

interesting related video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrFSmOlXrMg

http://img146.imagevenue.com/loc824/th_68438_myownprivateidaho2_122_824lo.jpg
Mike Parker

Mike parker (the guy who recounts the "I was raped with a wine bottle" story) speaks a little about this in a documentary called 'This Road will never End'.

Part I of that documentary is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO3abs0X-Mo

supertzar

14-03-2008, 09:17 PM

it's always been bullshit to suggest that clove killed her husband.

Why?

hunkahunka

18-03-2008, 07:53 PM

Anyone who doubts that the CIA could own record companies, video channels, etc.
should watch this whole video on CIA control of the media: expert intelligence attorney testifies under
oath on CIA disinformation, including information that as far backs as the 1970's the CIA owned at least
250 major media outlets including newspapers, publishing houses, radio and television stations, production houses etc.

HEre is part 1 of 8 parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0&feature=related
About this video:

William Schaap gives expert, informed testimony on the US Government's use of the media to disseminate disinformation via the FBI and CIA.

William Schaap. Attorney. Graduated from the University of Chicago Law School in 1964. Has been a practicing lawyer since then. A member of the bar of the State of New York and of the District of Columbia. Specialized in the 1970's in military law. Practiced military law in Asia and Europe. later became the editor in chief of the Military Law Reporter in Washington for a number of years. In the 70's and 80's he was a staff counsel of the Center for Constitutional Rights in New York City. In the late 1980's was an adjunct professor at John J. College of Criminal Justice of the City University of New York where he taught courses on propaganda and disinformation.
Since 1977 or '78, in addition to being a practicing lawyer, was a journalist and a publisher and a writer specializing in intelligence-related matters and particularly their relationship to the media. For more than 20 years he has been the co-publisher of a magazine called the Covert Action Quarterly which particularly deals with reporting on intelligence agencies, primarily U.S. agencies but also foreign.
He published a magazine for a number of years called Lies Of Our Times which specifically was a magazine about propaganda and disinformation. Also he has been the managing director of the Institute for Media Analysis for a number of years. For about 20 years he was one of the principals in a publishing company called Sheraton Square Press that published books and pamphlets relating to intelligence and the media.
He has written dozens of articles on -- particularly on media and intelligence and edited about seven or eight books on the subject. He has contributed sections to a number of other books and has had many of his articles, appear in other publications around the world including New York Times, Washington Post and major media outlets

transcript:

http://www.thekingcenter.org/news/trial/Volume9.html

existenz

18-03-2008, 09:37 PM

hunkahunka

19-03-2008, 12:56 PM

This thread is outrageous. When he was gone, I felt as bad as one can feel about the death of someone you love but have never met in person. The suggestion that he was murdered by CIA is making me feel helpless and depressed.

Some people would find it more depressing to think that a successful 27 yr. old rock idol with a baby daughter and everything to live for would opt to blow his own head off with a shot gun.

That is why I suspect that there may be more to this than meets the eye.

existenz

19-03-2008, 05:09 PM

Some people would find it more depressing to think that a successful 27 yr. old rock idol with a baby daughter and everything to live for would opt to blow his own head off with a shot gun.

That is why I suspect that there may be more to this than meets the eye.

He sang about suicide, talked about suicide. He didn't care about a successful music career either.
What could be the motive of the alleged CIA involvement? Kurt was no John Lennon. I always thought of him as a pacifist.
A psychological attack on the fans? Remember the copy-suicides at the time? But who would benefit from that and how? Our alien-masters who feed off of negative human energy? Am I paranoid? Where is Michael Tsarion?

hunkahunka

21-03-2008, 11:14 PM

interesting, identical pose of Kurt Cobain snapped in Seattle,
wearing black leather dog collar, which later (?) appears in 'My Own Private Idaho', in the scene
in which 'Scott' (Keanu Reeves) appears at his father's
office wearing an open jean jacket and a black leather dog collar :

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/608d7e1836.jpg

I cannot find a date for the Cobain photo, only that it was taken in Seattle.
I hope someone can put a date to this photo.
This would be really interesting if it comes out that the Cobain
photo was taken before the film 'My Own Private Idaho' was made.

hunkahunka

25-03-2008, 07:29 PM

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/608d7e1836.jpg

hunkahunka

04-07-2008, 11:47 AM

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTiONdJJRcw

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7488/ptkul2.jpgInteresting interview of the author of the above book on mind control, 'Programmed to Kill' :

mentions how the FBI busted a CIA operation transporting a van load of neglected, unidentifiable kids, traced the
plate to a CIA office full of child porn, SRA photos, and records of international human trafficking in children.
Investigation was taken over from FBI by CIA as an 'internal matter:

right click, 'save as':

http://media-c01.libsyn.com/podcasts/2b5db13e8202f328052a290736d34858/467fe20c/kssz/070601DaveMcGowan.mp3

:

http://www.kurtcobainnews.com/William_S_Burroughs_and_Kurt_Cobain.jpg
picture of William Burroughs with Kurt Cobain

soulja

04-07-2008, 12:38 PM

great posts hunkahunka!

there's n weird old pic from kurt (87) theres no link to it so i can't say anything about it's authenticity..
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/NirvanaDec1987.jpg

real or fake blood i don't know but there's no doubt in my mind that curt was a monarch and so is courtney, they often pair slaves together to use them to control each other.
see that's why im into symbolism so much it tells you alot and just with everything the brothehrood does Mindcontrol has it's own symbolism/phrases/etc..

nirvana is just another case of where the symbolism fits the research.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/overtherainbowfc.jpg

14april2000

04-07-2008, 02:50 PM

The Truth About the
Entertainment Industry
by Wes Penre, 2004

http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/index2.htm

The Occult Rock Music
by Wes Penre, 2004

http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/occult-rock-music.htm

Artists Under Scrutiny
by Wes Penre, 2004

http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/artists-index.htm

The Controllers of Art
by Wes Penre

http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/intro-occult.htm

hunkahunka

04-07-2008, 05:21 PM

nirvana is just another case of where the symbolism fits the research.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/overtherainbowfc.jpg

This is the cover of a later-released compilation album of Nirvana's hits, called 'Over the Rainbow'.
It has a sort of Alice in Wonderland/Little Red Riding Hood look to it , and of course the 'Wizard of Oz' title to it.
From what I have read both those films figure prominently in Monarch programming of children.

Some of the grotesque features/details are an Alice in Wonderland type animal, a half-fox,
half- mosquito/preying mantis type creature, frolicking with toddlers. One of the toddlers is introducing
the creature to the blonde female toddler, who has a prosthetic
limb. (implication being that the creature has already consumed part of the girl, and she is being
reintroduced to it again?) Or are the children embracing a familiar friend?
Also note that the boy is depicted as lower-class, unkept hair, wearing rags, and the little girl is
prim and proper, with matching dress and bow, golden socks matching neatly kept hair, etc.
The price she paid was one of her hands?
the creature is a reference to the line 'A mosquito, my libido' ?

graflok

04-07-2008, 07:02 PM

Interesting picture. I hadn't seen it before.

"Over the rainbow" is MKUltra-speak for being in a state of dissociation, the
key goal of the programming and how the alters are created.

The butterfly is, I suppose, a nod to Monarch.

The "insect fox" may be a reference to multiple personalities.

soulja

05-07-2008, 12:56 PM

hunkahunka i like how your mind works while interpreting/decoding symbolism.
it reminds me at my own. :D

you do alot of great work here imo, pleasure to have you around..

Dorothy is looking for a place where there is no trouble which is a place “over the rainbow.” To escape pain, alters go over the rainbow. (This is a.k.a. in Alice In Wonderland Programming as “going through the looking glass”

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/f39308ig97o.jpg
Judy Garland, she was an MK slave and the first to sing the ''over the rainbow'' song. holding a mirror (looking glass).
another example how the symbolism fits the research.

Over the rainbow in Oz is for the Monarch slave to be in a trance, and into a certain area of the programming. To be fluctuating at both ends as an observer and not a participant or to go to the other extreme and become a participant. The theme song of the movie goes, “Somewhere over the Rainbow...there’s a land where the dreams that you dare to dream really come true.” These lyrics are a method to hypnotically confuse the brain to perceive that the “over the Rainbow experience” (which is usually horrible abuse) is a “dream”. The dissociative mind is only too happy to call the trauma a dream, which is lived as a reality for a moment, but is nevertheless recorded by the mind as a fantasy. The term for this is cryptoamnesia, which means the process where the proper functioning of memory is hypnotically messed up. The slave’s internal world becomes “reality” and the external real world becomes the Land of Oz which is perceived as make-believe.

hunkahunka

05-07-2008, 09:38 PM

hunkahunka i like how your mind works while interpreting/decoding symbolism.
it reminds me at my own. :D

you do alot of great work here imo, pleasure to have you around..

nicely edited forum

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/f39308ig97o.jpg
Judy Garland, she was an MK slave and the first to sing the ''over the rainbow'' song. holding a mirror (looking glass).
another example how the symbolism fits the research.

I wish none of this were true , but its all here.

mrguitarbear

05-07-2008, 10:34 PM

Also , Mariah Carey released an album called ' Rainbow ' :

http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00004ZB1V.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ

I still think Courtney had Kurt killed , but if Courtney is a mind controlled slave as well it could have been at the orders of her handlers.

Theres also the mysterious death of Kristen Pfaff , Hole's bassist. Kristen is supposed to have died of a heroin overdose but she had gotten clean : I've always suspected her death was murder as well. Maybe she knew too much ?

kallista

06-07-2008, 01:23 AM

Of course he was used. Entertainers are always used. That is their job.
No one forced him to become an entertainer. He had wanted that all
his life.

imo, it is a pile of crap that he did not want success.
Success is incremental. It creeps up on you.
He would have stayed alone in his basement after the first taste of the
'big time' (relative contrast) playing parties or playing local bars if that were the case.
The trouble didn't start until SLTS and CAYA, because he did not
write them.

The Guitar riff from 'Come As You Are' is stolen from Killing Joke 'The Eighties'

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zlf_17hecY

There are various stories about why the band did not prosecute.

Burroughs was OTO, another trustfunder(and junkie) like Crowley, and I guess was the controller of the rest of the Beat writers, which influenced significantly the later hippy scene. At the same time Crowley had his accolytes in Parsons and Hubbard.

kallista

06-07-2008, 01:45 AM

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=160641935

Maybe this is Why they did not prosecute. Jaz Coleman is also OTO.

hunkahunka

06-07-2008, 03:22 PM

I think I may know what happened with Jon Benet Ramsey. She may have accidentally died during near-death trauma programming, and then the body staged to look like a murder scene. Either that or she 'failed' her trauma-based testing, and they realized that she was defective, ie: not programmable, (was going to retain the memories into adulthood),and decided to snuff her.
She died on Dec.25, so the date may have some significance. They may have chosen those dates 24th/25th to begin the ritual trauma, for some reason.

Jon Benet Ramsey - Over the Rainbow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFHFk8HkDmU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zUpSrTwYD8

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/nebula/9337/0AAartist-Smallbody.jpg

note the bondage-style rope still attached to her arm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWNoiVrJDsE&feature=related

krakhead

06-07-2008, 05:35 PM

The Guitar riff from 'Come As You Are' is stolen from Killing Joke 'The Eighties'

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zlf_17hecY

There are various stories about why the band did not prosecute.

I thought they did? I'm sure I remember hearing a radio interview with either Jaz or Geordie, it was settled out of court.

Actually, found this on Wiki - looks like we'll never know for sure..........

Killing Joke controversy

When Nevermind was released, members of the British post-punk band Killing Joke claimed the main guitar riff of "Come As You Are" plagiarized the riff of their own single, "Eighties". The band, however, did not file a copyright infringement lawsuit, which according to Rolling Stone was "due to personal and financial reasons." In some interviews, Jaz Coleman stated he did not file a lawsuit because the members of Nirvana openly confessed to him that they indeed took the riff, which he said was all he wanted to hear.[7]

However, conflicting reports state that Killing Joke did file a lawsuit but that it was thrown out of court,[8] or that it was dropped following Cobain's death.[9] Geordie Walker, Killing Joke's guitar player, stated that:[10]

"We are very pissed off about that, but it's obvious to everyone. We had two separate musicologists' reports saying it was. Our publisher sent their publisher a letter saying it was and they went 'Boo, never heard of ya!', but the hysterical thing about Nirvana saying they'd never heard of us was that they'd already sent us a Christmas card!"

Nevertheless, apparently neither band held a grudge about this; ex-Nirvana drummer Dave Grohl played drums on Killing Joke's thirteenth (second self-titled) album in 2003.[11]

And how about the cover to Pink Floyd's 'Dark Side of the Moon'? -

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1820593_PFafcDarkSideOfMoon.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

And then the re-jigged cover for the 30th (?) anniversary re-issue -

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1820592_moonglass.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

Rainbows, pyramids, the prism later being placed in a 'capstone' position?

Huh? Huh? Whaddya think of them apples?!

Not that I choose to accept the arguments previously posited here, look too hard and you'll never leave the house!

krakhead

06-07-2008, 05:39 PM

Anyway, back to Nirvana and Kurt's death - one thing that always annoys me about it is the claim that he couldn't have shot himself due to the amount of heroin in his system.

Kurt was a heroin user, and regular users of opiates develop far higher tolerances than people who do not use.

endlessvista

06-07-2008, 05:51 PM

Grunge was NEVER a rebellious movement really , it was about apathy - ' Here we are now , Entertain Us '. Grunge appealed to slackers who didn't really care about politics or rebellion , who were a bit depressed maybe.

The whole thing Generation X was invented by MTV and David Geffen. I was living in the USA at the time and I do not think I ever met one single Grunger or Generation X'er and yet to watch any American TV programmes one could of be forgiven for thinking every white kid in the USA was like this corporate invention.

Kurt Cobain was a rubbish singer in a rubbish band which was selected to control teenagers. He was most likely murdered by the record company to boost sales. The fact that he was called "spokesperson of a generation" on MTV when they announced his death and young people were encourage to worship him all seems very dodgy.

The last thing the elite are bothered about is the negative effect of counter-culture on young people. Fuck, this is what they want them to be! Depressed, suicidal, drugged up and without hope. The model citizen.

krakhead

06-07-2008, 06:07 PM

The whole thing Generation X was invented by MTV and David Geffen. I was living in the USA at the time and I do not think I ever met one single Grunger or Generation X'er and yet to watch any American TV programmes one could of be forgiven for thinking every white kid in the USA was like this corporate invention.

Couldn't that be said about any mass media promoted 'youth-movement'?

Kurt Cobain was a rubbish singer in a rubbish band which was selected to control teenagers. He was most likely murdered by the record company to boost sales. The fact that he was called "spokesperson of a generation" on MTV when they announced his death and young people were encourage to worship him all seems very dodgy.

Nonsense! He was a great singer in a great band - oh, hang on, we're talking opinions here aren't we - so we'll never get anywhere with arguments like that! :p

As for the promotion of the hero worship of a opiate using, suicide victim, well young people make bad decisions don't they? I know I did. I used to wear eyeliner FFS! ;)

The last thing the elite are bothered about is the negative effect of counter-culture on young people. Fuck, this is what they want them to be! Depressed, suicidal, drugged up and without hope. The model citizen.

To some extent I can see what you're getting at, but surely a drugged-up, depressed population won't be able to do anything required from them, however mind-numbingly simple the job!

hunkahunka

06-07-2008, 08:29 PM

Rainbows, pyramids, the prism later being placed in a 'capstone' position?

Huh? Huh? Whaddya think of them apples?!

very interesting.

anyone ever heard of this?

Pink Floyd : Dark Side of the Rainbow:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Side_of_the_Rainbow
Dark Side of the Rainbow (also known as Dark Side of Oz or The Wizard of Floyd) is the name used to refer to the act of listening to the 1973 Pink Floyd album The Dark Side of the Moon while watching the 1939 film The Wizard of Oz for moments where the film and the album appear to correspond with each other. The title of the music video-like experience comes from a combination of the album title and the film's song "Over the Rainbow". It is also a reference to the rainbow from a prism design on the cover of the Pink Floyd album.

video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmCfvcfHwKA

Its almost like this was created as part of some mind-control conditioning program
used on Monarchs to implant code words, and this later leaked out to the public.

krakhead

06-07-2008, 11:08 PM

anyone ever heard of this?

Pink Floyd : Dark Side of the Rainbow:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Side_of_the_Rainbow
Dark Side of the Rainbow (also known as Dark Side of Oz or The Wizard of Floyd) is the name used to refer to the act of listening to the 1973 Pink Floyd album The Dark Side of the Moon while watching the 1939 film The Wizard of Oz for moments where the film and the album appear to correspond with each other. The title of the music video-like experience comes from a combination of the album title and the film's song "Over the Rainbow". It is also a reference to the rainbow from a prism design on the cover of the Pink Floyd album.

video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmCfvcfHwKA

Its almost like this was created as part of some mind-control conditioning program
used on Monarchs to implant code words, and this later leaked out to the public.

Have read about this several times over the years. Now I've seen it I', frankly, disappointed! There's the link between the her falling and the changing of the track. That's it.

What toss! :p

hunkahunka

07-07-2008, 06:02 AM

check out this bizarre musician called Buckethead,

famous guitarist, who wears a Venetian mask and a KFC bucket on his head:

http://media.canada.com/8c8b3290-2b08-4dc6-8e3e-2cc645fdfe05/070221_buckethead.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckethead

He does a song called She Sells Sea Shells by the Slaughterhouse:

And he does a song called Somewhere Over the Slaughterhouse:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6040968422412175821&q=buckethead+slaughterhouse&ei=KURxSL2_BIum-wGP_bCrBQ

Buckethead also does a song called 'Cannibal Holocaust'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbZuOwYPzMU

another called 'Too many humans' and an album called 'Population Override'

So he is right on side with the occult depopulation agenda, and appears to have some interest in cannibalism, Venetian masks, and mind control conditioning.

Buckethead also did the music (along with another band called the 'Deli Creeps') for cannibal horror film called 'Flesh for the Beast':

The title 'Somewhere over the Slaughterhouse' is especially
repugnant in reference to the missing hand :

http://www.nirvanaone.ru/photos/cdcovers/OvertheRainbow/overtherainbow.jpeg

and of course the elite's well known appetite for cannibalism

hunkahunka

07-07-2008, 06:44 AM

more on the Finders, rituals, and body parts:

http://www.whale.to/b/alexander.html

The Finders-A CIA front established in the 1960's. It has top clearance and protection in its assigned task of kidnapping and torture-programming young children throughout the U.S. Members are specially trained government kidnappers known to be sexual degenerates who involve the kidnapped children in satanic sex orgies and bloody rituals as well as the murders of other children and slaughter of animals.
They use a fleet of unmarked vans to grab targeted children from parks and schoolyards. In doing so they use children within their organization as decoys to attract the victims close to the vans where they are grabbed by adults. They then drug the children and transport them to a series of safe houses for safe keeping. They are then used in their ceremonies for body parts, sex slaves and some are auctioned off at various locations in the northern hemisphere. In the past they have been auctioned off near a location in Nevada and Toronto , Canada . Marion David Pettie, the leader of the cult, is an identified homosexual pedophile and a CIA officer. His son was an employee of a CIA proprietary firm, Air America , which was notorious for smuggling drugs, destinedfor the U.S. , out of the Golden Triangle into Saigon during the Vietnam war." (26)

soulja

07-07-2008, 10:54 AM

there's some more info on CIA finders
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ciadrugsabusemurder.shtml
it's fucked up beyond imagination.

btw that
The Finders-A CIA front established in the 1960's. It has top clearance and protection in its assigned task of kidnapping and torture-programming young children throughout the U.S. Members are specially trained government kidnappers known to be sexual degenerates who involve the kidnapped children in satanic sex orgies and bloody rituals as well as the murders of other children and slaughter of animals.
They use a fleet of unmarked vans to grab targeted children from parks and schoolyards. In doing so they use children within their organization as decoys to attract the victims close to the vans where they are grabbed by adults. They then drug the children and transport them to a series of safe houses for safe keeping. They are then used in their ceremonies for body parts, sex slaves and some are auctioned off at various locations in the northern hemisphere.

reminds me of
http://i13.tinypic.com/63ctpvd.jpg
and
http://galerie.pampuch.cz/images/alba/nahledy-velke/korn_korn.jpg
note how the girl's shadow is hanging from the K..

Korn the band that also uses that other MK symbol the teddybear.

The programmers and parents of slaves frequently give stuffed animals. The teddy bear without hands represents to the victim their helplessness.

You mean this Bear?
http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/a2/0e/f36f828fd7a03a5a02a61110.L.jpg

Does Kanye seem a bit helpless to you?

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/hs/Korn-freaks.jpg

http://www.rockguiden.se/Bilder/kornissu.jpg

alos another thing i keep seeing is the reversed letter style. with Korn it's the K, eminem has the e reversed or should i say mirrored ?

like eve
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/eve_E_single_artworkpreview.jpg
in front of the looking glass

soulja

07-07-2008, 11:07 AM

good find on that buckethead dude, hunkahunka..
http://media.canada.com/8c8b3290-2b08-4dc6-8e3e-2cc645fdfe05/070221_buckethead.jpg

MASKS

The use of masks in the occult world is ancient. For centuries, the gypsies have used them for their hypnotic powers. Special healing masks for their people are kept secret and never shown to the public. Masks have a shock value & fascination value. Gypsy and other occult groups have special rituals to create the masks, including using hair clippings from the person who will wear the mask. Gypsy healing masks are destroyed after the patient gets well. Illuminati programming masks may or may not be destroyed after their use. The Illuminati’s mask-making abilities (according to deprogrammed victims of their mind-control) are very high quality. Sometimes the programmers simply wear halloween cartoon character masks that anyone can obtain, to fulfill their role in the programming script that they are involved in during the time.

masks are used alot in MK..

http://www.superawesomewow.com/pics/kornalbum.jpg

Dita von Teese (note the mask btw)
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/Hideout/Dita1.gif
portrait is called ''Puppetmaster'' - painted by Jeff Pittarelli
http://www.pittarelli.com/whatsnew.html

dude is an artist who paints a lot of weird celeb pictures. won some prizes hangs with the in-crowd, so he's pretty much connected i reckon. prolly even Mk'd himself seeing his obsession with the (scare)Crow.

some interesting pictures on his site like the one of Traci Lords called
''Queen of the Butterflies''.. guess wich butterfly he chose to depict her with ?
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/Hideout/traci1209.jpg

the band birthday massacre
http://st.blog.cz/m/mcroyal.blog.cz/obrazky/6462570.jpg

By traumatizing someone on a specific day--say, repeatedly traumatizing them on their birthday--is far more damaging than just simply traumatizing them. The reason is that every time that person’s birthdate recycles, they are put back into their memories of abuse.

and their new album ''looking glass''
http://bp1.blogger.com/_mAke9IPIp-Y/SCDkDQKSIUI/AAAAAAAAAZU/xhZp8Gf9VZ0/s320/Folder.jpg

Fire/burning torture is used in the Porcelain Face programming. The charismatic branch of the satanic Network (such as the Assembly of God churches) uses Porcelain Face programming. This is done by using wax masks upon the victim, and giving them fire torture. The person actually thinks that their face has melted. At that point, the programmer pretends to be a god & a hero, and tells the person he will give them a new face, a porcelain mask (these new faces by the way, look like the ones sold in so many stores). The memories of abuse are then hypnotically hid behind the masks. To take off the masks is to abreact & burn again. If anyone touches the faces of alters with Porcelain Gace programming, the alters will feel a burning sensation because their masks are not to be tampered with. This means that these alters have via torture & hypnosis, lost their own faces! This is part of the dehumanization process which is covered in Chapter 10, Part C. As long as these alters stay in denial of what has happened to them, they do not have to face the burn- torture memories.

Label: Metropolis Records / Repo Records
Track List:
01. Looking Glass
02. Falling Down (Crawling Pulse Mix by theSTART)
03. Shiver
04. Red Stars (Lukewarm Lover Mix by Il Attire)
05. Nowhere (Instrumental)
06. Red Stars (Space Lab Mix by Dean Garcia)
07. Weekend (NYC77 Mix by Dave Ogilvie/Matthew Moldowan)
08. I Think We're Alone Now

watch the vid on their site
http://vampirefreaks.com/u/thebirthdaymassacre

their previous albums are also full of MK imagery
http://www.wod.de/img/content/tbm_violet_cover.jpg
the rabbit, umbrella, broken heart, hour glass..

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/eyes_wide_shut.jpg
scene from
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/EWSPoster.jpg

mrguitarbear

07-07-2008, 02:23 PM

hunkahunka

07-07-2008, 03:15 PM

Good posts ! Buckethead was working with Axl Rose ( Guns and Roses ) at one point and Axl had a lot of problems , including being allegedly abused as a child.

Lets assume then that the CIA did murder Cobain : it seems this was done because Cobain wanted to leave the music business. What was the motive behind his murder then ?

Is it because Nirvana was making money for the CIA ?

I know that Axl Rose and Cobain hated each other and almost got in a fight because all the Nirvana fans were calling Axl a racist. The two bands were proposed to tour together, but I am not sure what happened to that idea. I had read of a story where Nirvana and Guns N. Roses were both at a video awards show one night and there was almost a fight because Cobain had said some derogatory things about Axl Rose in the press.

I think if the CIA did kill Cobain, it would be done for a couple of reasons. Some say Cobain was breaking through his mind control and beginning to remember things they didn't want him remembering, plus he was
quitting drugs, leaving Courtney, writing her out of his will, and leaving Nirvana.
If Courtney was his controller , and another CIA asset, etc., essentially Cobain was trying to walk away from
the whole occult CIA drug scene in one fell swoop, and would have been taking with him all the assets. The royalties, the copyrights, all the fame that the CIA had bought him. And they probably figured he was going
to turn around and use all those goodies they'd given him to screw them royally. He was going to go to war with Courtney in the press, and start remembering more and more of what happened to him.
He was on the road to becoming a powerful, independently wealthy 'peacenik' similar to John Lennon, and we all know what happened to John Lennon.
Did you know that Judy Garland lived in the Dakota in 1961?
I think someone at the CIA was pissed off at him, and his CIA-owned record label (Geffen) had already made millions on John Lennon's death. I hear that the original version of Nirvana's followup album 'In Utero' was so bad that the company accused Cobain of deliberately screwing it up.
Cobain originally planned to call the record I Hate Myself And Want to Die, but it was nixed by another band member.
(I think Cobain was sick of touring planned to put out a low-key record that would honor his contract , but not be popular at all)
The record company was so pissed off that they requested that some of the songs at least be digitally remastered and altered to sound appealing, so they sent the whole thing to be remixed .
By the end of the tour for In Utero, they were struggling to fill arenas, and a lot of the dates were
changed to smaller venues due to poor ticket sales.
So, Cobain had let the label down to an extent, maybe they figured he was washed up, a wreck, and they wanted
to save their investment. Maybe he was a CIA product at his expiry date, and they wanted to cash in on him
before he ruined the image they'd made for him.

rixxmixxhell

07-07-2008, 03:42 PM

Dont ya think kurt cobains hand and bucket heads aresimilar. Im not propsing they arethe same person, but just an observation. Good thread by the way.

Rick

ronisron

07-07-2008, 03:50 PM

While the death of Cobain may or may not have been beneficial to the PTB in the long run, I believe it was Courtney who was behind this killing. Cobain apparently wanted a divorce, was contemplating giving up on Nirvana for a while and avoiding that summer's Lollapalooza tour which would have gotten them @ 9 million in profit. With Kurt dead, Courtney controls his portion of Nirvana's music, as well as captializes on her "grief" to make her own way in the entertainment business. She is a psychopath, and it was a career move to marry Cobain. If he divorced her, she would have lost everything, and would have been just another junkie whore on the streets of Seattle, because he would have gotten the custody of his daughter and had her live with his Mom. Courtney would have had to drag her ass around to someone else.... as it was, she hooked up with Billy Corgan immediately after Kurt's death. What is strange is the death of the Hole bass player, Pfaff. She and Kurt were supposedly fooling around, and she may or may not have known what happened to Kurt. Recovering junkies do relapse, and she may have just OD'd. BTW, the end of his supposed suicide note is written by another hand, and someone was using his credit cards for a couple of days after his death.

A great website is of course cobaincase.com, which was put together by the PI that Courtney hired to "find" Cobain after he split from the rehab facility in California. There is a great documentary out there as well.

ronisron

07-07-2008, 03:51 PM

Dont ya think kurt cobains hand and bucket heads aresimilar. Im not propsing they arethe same person, but just an observation. Good thread by the way.

Rick

Kurt was a lefty, Buckethead a righty, and looks about a foot taller than Kurt as well.

hunkahunka

08-07-2008, 03:23 AM

mask and hood photo from spy video taken of Skull & Bones ritual at Yale (done with night-vision video camera from nearby rooftop over-looking the Skulls 'tomb' building's inner court yard.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjWdR2GUpi0http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2003/01/07/nightscopeskullandbones.jpg
Venetian mask in Skull n' Bones ritual(rituals feature simulated \
stabbing/human sacrifice and live burial)

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2007/01jan/eyeswideshut.jpg
human sacrifice ritual scene from Stanley Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut

http://www.freewebs.com/thebtksite/btkgravemask.jpg
BTK killer Dennis Rader, in a mask, photographed himself lying in a grave that he had dug for victim Delores Davis.

Quote:
The BTK Strangler Serial Killer
Bondage Photos and Artwork
After the BTK killer Dennis Rader was arrested on February 25, 2005, police uncovered his stashes of writings, photos, artwork and other assorted items he had kept over the years related to his crimes. He had a bondage fetish and enjoyed wearing the undergarments of his slain female victims. He enjoyed tying himself up in all sorts of ways. Using various mechanisms he was able to photograph himself with a Polaroid camera. During his years as a Boy Scout troop leader, he nearly got caught once when he couldn't escape his own bonds after tying himself up inside a camper during a scout outing. He eventually worked himself loose.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oTwEGiup_Wo/SJz6x1eDr2I/AAAAAAAACfI/5qRPi4bxreI/s400/AirForce_c.JPG

Serial killer, Vietnam veteran, boyscout leader, bondage/live burial fetishist Denis Rader (aka 'The BTK killer'] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Rader

Dennis Rader Air Force photo:
http://handwritinguniversity.com/crime/btkkiller/drairforce.jpg
* Lackland Air Force Base near San Antonio, Texas
Aug 17, 1966 Sep 30, 1966
* Sheppard Air Force Base in Wichita Falls, KS
Sep 30, 1966 - Feb 4, 1967
* Brookley Field in Mobile, AL
Feb 4, 1967-1968 (~1 year)
* Kadean AFB, Okinawa,
Jan, 1968 - July, 1968
* Tachikawa Air Base, near Tokyo, Japan
July 1968 Aug 1970.

Though Rader claimed that BTK stood for 'bind, torture, kill', Rader's chosen handle of 'BTK', may have dated back to his airforce days in Japan during the Vietnam War. In the Vietnam War, BTK commonly referred to the motto 'Born to Kill.' Bind torture kill subterfuge may have been an attempt to throw off investigators.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/9/15304659_dec9999702.jpg
Bind Torture Kill, or Born To Kill?
http://desanneesauxcompteurs.ifrance.com/page01_en_ce_temps_la/01_born_to_kill.jpg
http://www.jankraak-taichitao.nl/upload/htmleditor/Isral%20soldaat%20Born%20to%20kill.jpg
The motto was prominent in the movie posters for Stanley Kubrick's[b] film 'Full Metal Jacket'
[B]http://www.moviewallpapers.net/images/wallpapers/1987/full-metal-jacket/full-metal-jacket-1-1024.jpg

So Stanley Kubrick created both Eyes Wide Shut and Full Metal Jacket (as well as Clockwork Orange, btw, which
directlyfeatured MK ultra brainwashing)
Odd that Stanley Kubrick seems so ubiquitous in all of this.

photo source: The BTK site (http://www.freewebs.com/thebtksite/btkbondage.htm)

http://www.freewebs.com/thebtksite/raderlaidout1.jpg
Dennis Rader , BTK killer, dressed as his own fantasy victim, tied up wearing plastic mask
http://www.freewebs.com/thebtksite/radermasktree.jpg
Rader in mask here, with mouth gagged

this is eerily similar to the Skull & Bones initiation rituals which feature both the use of the same types of venetian masks and live burials. (the more in-depth burial rituals are performed on secluded Deer Island, a Skull & Bones-owned retreat in the Thousand Islands on the St. Lawrence Seaway near Connecticut, including live burial in mud)

Moreover, Rader killed Delores Davies in 1991, long before all of the information on the Skull & Bones society rituals hit the internet or was otherwise made generally known to the public.

I think it unlikely that Rader would, out of sheer fantasy. replicate so closely many of the elements of a Skull & Bones ritual. Rader may have had prior experience with said rituals, as he himself was an Air Force operative during the Vietnam War, based in Japan, as was George H.W. Bush Sr. (Air Force) based in SE Asia, and in aircraft carrier squadron attacks on Japan during WWII. George Bush Sr. is known to have been both a member of Skull & Bones and at one time head of the CIA.

Check out these facts on the BTK killer:
His father was a WWII marine, and Rader(BTK) was born in 1945 , right when the MKULTRA mind control program got new legs with the end of WWII and the transfer of German behavioral research
from Germany to the U.S., when hundreds of German scientists were transferred to the United States, so the U.S. military could benefit from their research into mind control and weapons.)
BTK killer Dennis Rader's father died in WWII just before he was born.
That would make him prime material, age-wise, to start in MKULTRA conditioning from birth.
He was an airman (paratrooper) in the Vietnam war, stationed in Japan. (Hells Angel?) He was born March 9 1945 and did not kill civilians until Jan 15 1974, which means he first killed (civilians) when he was just two months shy of 30 years old. (MkUltra projects typically go bad at 30 years of age, when their programming breaks down ) He even emulated the Zodiac killer, who is thought to himself have been an MKUltra project. One of the top suspects in the Zodiac killings is known to have been a paratrooper stationed at one point in Japan, just like BTK, during the Korean War era.

and now for something really creepy. Watch this eerie footage from Venice Carnival:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIAY8tPErZo&fe

rixxmixxhell

08-07-2008, 01:40 PM

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2003/01/07/nightscopeskullandbones.jpg
Venetian mask in Skull n' Bones ritual

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2007/01jan/eyeswideshut.jpg
Stanley Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut

http://img1.picturewizard.com/1324005/0/btk00289.jpgRader,
Serial killer, Vietnam veteran, Boyscout leader, bondage/live burial fetishist Denis Rader (aka BTK)
Bind Torture Kill, or Born To Kill?
http://regressoaofuturo5.blogs.sapo.pt/arquivo/Full%20Metal%20Jacket.JPG
Odd that Stanley Kubrick seems so ubiquitous in all of this.

now for something really creepy, watch this eerie footage from the Venice Carnival:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIAY8tPErZo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeSjGzgOeUk&mode=related&search=

Hi, the picture with the person laying in the ground...where did you get that!?
Rick

soulja

08-07-2008, 02:43 PM

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/images/2007/i/illuminatiBash1.jpg
dude on the right is straight up in being the devil (plus he wears green wich is associated with lucifer/venus) while the one on the left is a bit more sublime. he's a black peacock wich is a symbol for the devil.

the Yezidis call him Ta´usi-Melek meaning black peacock.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/Hideout/dita1200603102203184mn.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/Hideout/cher-1-thumb.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000FDEUOO.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V65771008_.jpg
Alice peacock album cover, all black and the cheeky title ''Who I AM''

hunkahunka

08-07-2008, 03:29 PM

Hi, the picture with the person laying in the ground...where did you get that!?
Rick

that is a photo that police found in Dennis Rader's possession after
he was arrested as the BTK killer. It is said that he dug a grave for one of his victims
and planned to bury her alive in a porcelain mask with a breathing tube, but ended up just dumping the body,
and then returned to the site of the hole that he had dug and posed himself dressed as
her, in the mask, to fantasize about it, and used a timer tripod camera to photograph it.

some of Rader's props used in fantasy:
http://img1.picturewizard.com/1324005/0/toys1379.jpg

According to police, Rader would pose himself in 'fantasy' bondage photos, live burial photos, hanging upside bound from trees, etc, with a tripod camera.
but I don't believe that he did all the photos alone by himself.
In some of the photos he is tied up and hanging from a tree.
How in hell is he supposed to have pulled that off alone? Someone, imo, was
there, helping bind him, and helping photograph him.
Authorities claim that Rader created these photos by himself to indulge sexual fantasies, but imo, he may have been undergoing eroticized ritual trauma-based programming himself, and these fantasies are attempts to relive what was done to him.

there are more photos here, though they have modified the site and you
have to 'save' the photos to view them now, plus the links to the photos are
small and harder to find. The pics all used to be posted there to see immediately, but when I went there today, I found it more difficult to find the pictures.

http://www.skcentral.com/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=6&thread_id=413&rowstart=0

http://img1.picturewizard.com/1324005/0/chair.jpg
Rader in mask and wig tied to chair

jric

08-07-2008, 03:41 PM

Kurt Cobain was murdered for a very similar reason to John Lennon,

He wanted out, Nirvana were being manipulated by the Illuminati to influence the youth, due to how influential they were at the time, (and still are),

Kurt found out, so he wrote a letter explaining his retirement from the music industry, just before he can leave Seattle, he is shot dead,

Exactly the same thing happened to The Beatles during the height of their popularity.

soulja

08-07-2008, 03:53 PM

i think the reason they killed him is a combination of all raised points so far.
his programing started to crack, he started to realize what has been done to him and what he was forced to do. also for what reasons he was used and made a star. and it wasn't either the CIA or Courtney it was the Cia AND Courtney imo.

keep in mind that courtney is a slave too, that means one altar of her could have been used to take part/play her role in cobains murder while other altars won't even know about her involvement. therefor genuinely believing they haven't done anything wrong.

eternal_spirit

08-07-2008, 04:01 PM

rixxmixxhell

08-07-2008, 04:11 PM

Blimey. Back in the 80's I knew a few who where like Nirvana are great etc. I was like nah, nothing great very mediocore, from a musicians POV very basic, not uplifting to listen to a heavy vibe. I've listened to whole albums it's depressing and mind numbing, only a few songs I though where ok, and listening to a few months ago I know think it was all bolox...so I always knew there was something wrong especially with the lyrics, such as I'm gay, Rape me etc. Cue for Monarch's, imagine what those lyrics could trigger off.

Then the drummer after Kurt's death becomes singer (guitar player) with the Foofighters (I call them the pooshiters) Maybe another Monarch/vicitim/controlled/programmed? Everyone else has become a murder suspect, so why not an x fellow Band member? Something creepy about Dave Ghrol (spelling)

It's true, i would like to know some other details about Christ Noveselic and Dave grhrol...

My friend, EX BEST Friend and ex's brother was a Nirvana NUT, he turned out to be a Heroin addict of now 10 years. All because of nirvana. his idol was Kurt, so he wanted to be like him. How fucking suss. My friend lost his life because of that skinny cunt. How could he have not know it would influence the weak to take it to be more 'like him'.

Even if he didn't want fame, he should have cared and had foresight. All a fucking set up - to spread the disease that is heroin.

Rick

P.S - The bassist Kris Noveselic turned to politics no?? WTF happened with him then, anyone know?

jric

08-07-2008, 05:13 PM

Blimey. Back in the 80's I knew a few who where like Nirvana are great etc. I was like nah, nothing great very mediocore, from a musicians POV very basic, not uplifting to listen to a heavy vibe. I've listened to whole albums it's depressing and mind numbing, only a few songs I though where ok, and listening to a few months ago I know think it was all bolox...so I always knew there was something wrong especially with the lyrics, such as I'm gay, Rape me etc. Cue for Monarch's, imagine what those lyrics could trigger off.

Then the drummer after Kurt's death becomes singer (guitar player) with the Foofighters (I call them the pooshiters) Maybe another Monarch/vicitim/controlled/programmed? Everyone else has become a murder suspect, so why not an x fellow Band member? Something creepy about Dave Ghrol (spelling)

Have you heard any of the stuff from In Utero? or the MTV Unplugged set? its very beautiful David Bowie/Leonard Cohen type stuff....

I find towards the end of Kurt's life he produced his very very best work,

He was truly blossoming into something incredible,

Of course, the right brained, the artists, and the freethinkers, are the enemies,

Of "them"

FUCK THEM

hunkahunka

09-07-2008, 01:01 PM

Look at the symbology in all the
masonic gay movement's stuff:

http://www.comments.zingerbugimages.com/GayPride/pride_3d_pink_triangle.gif

http://toppun.com/Rainbow-Store/Gay-Pride-Pictures/Never-Again-End-Homophobia-Gay-Pride-Rainbow.gif

mind control rainbows and masonic triangles/pyramids

http://cailliau.org/blog/archives/ParisRainbow-thumb.jpg

http://www.f2by.com/shop/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/a76dd612838f0ec1e571a8ef1f89737d.jpg
http://images.cafepress.com/image/16040257_400x400.jpg

http://toppun.com/Rainbow-Store/Gay-Pride-Pictures/Dawning-of-New-Age-Pyramid-Power-Pink-Triangle.gif

http://www.gettysburgflag.com/images/PrideTriangle.jpg

Massive gay dances regularly held at Masonic Temple in Toronto:

this article appeared in NOW Toronto magazine, the same gayzine that celebrated the deaths of Martin Kruze and Kenneth Au Yeung in the Maple Leaf Gardens scandal:
:

http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/16/...s/feature.html
Those of us who have known Rae since the early days when he was the volunteer who did the food at those GCDC [Gay Community Dance Committee] dances -- those salacious Saturday-night extravaganzas at the Masonic Temple -- know what fun he can be. He's a promiscuous gossip (my stomach sank when I saw a tidbit I thought was mine show up in the Globe). And he has everyone sized up and is ready to pick them off.

:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...n&ct=clnk&cd=2
GCDC, the Gay Community Dance Committee, had first lit up the 519 Church Street Community Centre but soon moved to the Concert Hall, a huge former Masonic temple. Its dances eventually attracted up to 2,000 revellers -- breaking that record set by 1978's "Biggest Gay Dance in the History of Toronto" -- and raking in up to $10,000 each time, split among groups who sent volunteers.
By the early 1980s gay people in Toronto had built one of the most organized, politically sophisticated communities anywhere. It had achieved, as George Hislop would later put it, "institutional completeness."

Ten year olds invited to VH1/MTV/MuchMusic dances chaperoned by North Island
Masonic Lodge

:
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:...lnk&cd=1&gl=ca

MUCH MUSIC VIDEO DANCE
Friday March 9th Port McNeill Community Hall Grades 5/6/7 6-8pm – Cost $10 Grades 8-12 8:30 to Midnight Cost $15 Sponsored & Chaperoned by: North Island Masonic Lodge Funds raised will go to Community Projects &Scholarships[/quote
the Much Music Video cable channel studio (Canada's cable equivalent of MTV/VH1) is in a Toronto building which is an active masonic hall.
**************
Can there be any mystery left as to what is happening to all those abducted children that go missing each year?
Here is an explanation that I think should be obvious to many at this stage:

the vans are grabbing kids and transporting them overseas to
orphanages, where they are undergoing 'rainbow' trauma conditioning, and a substantial part of it is gay programming, gender- dissociative stuff. This is why the rainbow symbology is so prominent.
My guess is that these symbols are also implanted in the minds tens of thousands of trauma-conditioned children as some sort of key-word, key-symbol trigger or device.

Why is Judy Garland such a popular gay icon?

The gay and lesbian magazine The Advocate calls Judy Garland "an Elvis for homosexuals." In more closeted times, gays used the term "friend of Dorothy" to refer to themselves in mixed company, in homage to Garland's role as Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz. Today, Garland isn't as well known among the younger gay generation, but she still holds a special place in the hearts of many.

Judy Garland was hugely popular among gays during her lifetime. Her concerts were major gay meeting places, and in her later years, she made money singing at gay piano bars. Garland's father was gay, as were her studio-executive mentor and two of her five husbands. She had many gay friends and went to parties where she joked that she was the only woman present. But her appeal was based on more than her own acceptance of gays.

Both onscreen and off, Garland projected a unique combination of vulnerability and strength. She sang of intense loneliness, followed by songs describing delirious love. She had legendary stage fright but declared her greatest happiness came from performing. These conflicts mirrored the lives of oppressed, closeted gay men in the 1950s and 1960s. They identified with the paradox and duplicity in Garland's life. Severe laws and prejudice against homosexuality forced gays to lead double lives and hide their true selves.

As Dorothy, Judy Garland portrayed a misunderstood kid from a small town who has an amazing adventure in a Technicolor world. The central message of The Wizard of Oz is that you will find what you're looking for inside yourself. That message resonated with gays of the era who yearned to come out into a colorful world and live what was inside of them.

hunkahunka

09-07-2008, 01:58 PM

http://www.jeremyrizza.com/images/raiderpride.jpg
http://www.jeremyrizza.com/images/raiderpride.jpg

http://bp0.blogger.com/_DiZVSLjMG-g/R3ae3frXvII/AAAAAAAALM8/n5QGl_53TWM/s400/4yqugyrhl7.jpg

http://parlancheq.blogspot.com/2007_06_01_archive.html
http://bp1.blogger.com/_rdIVGwsoauw/RmuCOhBmPII/AAAAAAAAB3I/oBNlV6xPiww/s400/Pride_Boobs.JPG
A tisket, a tasket, a boob-filled basket?(Don't ask because I have no idea.)
http://bp1.blogger.com/_rdIVGwsoauw/Rmt6EhBmO_I/AAAAAAAAB2A/BFQJtp9P974/s400/Pride_People_RainbowMohawk.JPGp9P974/s400/Pride_People_RainbowMohawk.JPG
http://bp1.blogger.com/_rdIVGwsoauw/Rmt6XhBmPFI/AAAAAAAAB2w/J2gHFA5Retk/s1600-h/Pride_People_WizardOz.JPG

http://static.flickr.com/127/317511011_f3118521f2_o.jpg

http://www.reflexive.com/images/avatars/Rainbow-Monarch-Butterfly.jpg
http://www.atelier-shoppe.com/img/p/18-47-thickbox.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2058/1578176767_b90a252f10.jpg?v=0
Gay Pride male - Butterfly Diva I

Someone Saved My Life Tonight
Music by elton john
Lyrics by bernie taupin
Available on the album captain fantastic and the brown dirt cowboy

And someone saved my life tonight sugar bear
You almost had your hooks in me didnt you dear
You nearly had me roped and tied
Altar-bound, hypnotized
Sweet freedom whispered in my ear
Youre a butterfly
And butterflies are free to fly
Fly away, high away, bye bye

hunkahunka

09-07-2008, 01:58 PM

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/24919/1201982114623.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/30/Rainbowraider.png
http://home.mhonline.net/skolo/rainbowraider.jpg

Rainbow Raiders
Top : Sports : Softball
London, England's gay and lesbian softball team.
Goto : http://www.rainbowraiders.com/

soulja

09-07-2008, 02:22 PM

interesting posts hunkahunka..

talking bout mindcontrol and gays

http://www.highfidelity.net/catalog/images/DJM1001.jpg
note his red shoes like dorothy in the wizard of Oz with her ruby slippers.
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/t68609nntdl.jpg

Monarch slaves are taught to “follow the yellow brick road.” No matter what fearful things lie ahead, the Monarch slave must follow the Yellow Brick Road which is set out before them by their master. For some slaves used as track stars, their Yellow Brick Road was the track they had to run. The Yellow Brick Road is the runway in which alters were trained to fly off from to exit their internal world and take the body. The Yellow Brick Road also pertains to the assignment that an alter is given. To follow the Yellow Brick Road is to go down the road that has been assigned by command. The Yellow Brick Road programming is placed into the child’s mind via the Yellow Brick Road of the Wizard of Oz story. Remember the key words, “Follow the Yellow Brick Road.”

hunkahunka

09-07-2008, 02:35 PM

'Pride People' from Boston gay parade

http://parlancheq.blogspot.com/2007_06_01_archive.html
http://bp1.blogger.com/_rdIVGwsoauw/Rmt6XhBmPFI/AAAAAAAAB2w/J2gHFA5Retk/s400/Pride_People_WizardOz.JPG

http://bp0.blogger.com/_rdIVGwsoauw/Rmt5mRBmO5I/AAAAAAAAB1Q/i1lL3eTfcgU/s1600-h/Pride_People_LionsTigers.JPG

http://bp0.blogger.com/_rdIVGwsoauw/Rmt5mRBmO5I/AAAAAAAAB1Q/i1lL3eTfcgU/s1600-h/Pride_People_LionsTigers.JPG

soulja

09-07-2008, 02:42 PM

and there was me thinking the real wicked witch of the east was ugly :D

mrguitarbear

09-07-2008, 02:48 PM

You definitely see lesbian tendencies in a lot of female stars - Madonna , Britney , LiLo , Aguilera etc etc.

How many male stars with homosexual tendencies ?

soulja

09-07-2008, 02:50 PM

http://www.markeshuis.nl/Rocky-over-the-Rainbow.gif

http://cyberpig.org/Flyer%20-%20Over%20the%20Rainbow.jpeg

soulja

09-07-2008, 02:53 PM

hunkahunka

09-07-2008, 03:07 PM

http://dronio.deviantart.com/art/TRUE-LOVE-2-The-Wizard-of-OZ-23404834
http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs7/300W/i/2005/270/c/3/TRUE_LOVE_2__The_Wizard_of_OZ__by_dronio.jpg
TRUE LOVE 2- The Wizard of OZ by *dronio
(note the 'electro-munchkins' t-shirt
and the Oz license plate)

http://othersiderainbow.blogspot.com/2008/04/troy-latest-strip.html
http://pridecomics.com/images/troy-cast.jpg

[queerfocus]
gay news,views and gossip in the land of OZ
http://queerfocus.blogspot.com/2007_08_01_archive.html

“The Wizard of Oz” is to be remade with Dorothy as a sexy action heroine. The new film produced by Todd McFarlane will have a screenplay by Oscar-nominated Josh Olson, whose credits include “A History of Violence,” and will be based on the alternative series “Twisted Land of Oz” written by Dion Bozman.
http://www.gothic-desires.co.uk/images/12_inch_Dorothy.jpg

Todd McFarlane and History of Violence writer Josh Olson have revealed plans for a new film take on The Wizard of Oz based on McFarlane's horror versions of the toys (above). This will allow the toymaker to make new toys based on the movie based on the toys.

The two went on to say Dorothy would actually be nothing at all like the hyper-sexualized bondage toy but be more of a bad-ass like Ripley in Alien, and the whole thing will have a "2007 wow factor" that will try to get the Lord of the Rings audience. If that means armies of thousands of Muchkins versus hordes of flying monkeys, I might just forgive the fact that McFarlane is still releasing Spawn toys for some reason. Honestly, who is buying these?

http://lh3.google.com/_AVf8h7yFG3w/Rc-DwYP2i0I/AAAAAAAAAVQ/PAbZHpX2E50/s800/dorothy%2Btwisted%2Bland%2Bof%2Boz%2Bmcfarlane%27s %2Bmonsters%2Bseries%2B2.jpg

soulja

09-07-2008, 03:16 PM

http://www.clayaikenpins.com/Pins/over_the_rainbow.jpg

American idol like big brother is used to give MK victims the appearance of being normal people who got selected because of their personality/talent and then came to fame through these shows.

it's a career starter.

http://991.com/newGallery/Connie-Talbot-Over-The-Rainbow-420206.jpg
Connie Talbot

Connie Talbot (born 20 November 2000) is an English child singer from Streetly, Metropolitan Borough of Walsall, West Midlands. She rose to fame in 2007 when she reached the final of the television talent show Britain's Got Talent, where she lost to Paul Potts. Although it had originally seemed as though Talbot would sign with Sony BMG, the label pulled out of the deal due to her age.

Shortly afterwards, she signed with Rainbow Recording Company, and began production of her debut album, Over the Rainbow, which was released on 26 November 2007 in the UK. The album was rereleased 18 June 2008 with a new track listing, and the first single from the album, "Three Little Birds", was released 10 June 2008.

Despite being received negatively by critics, the album has sold over 250,000 copies worldwide and reached number one in three countries. Since the initial album release, Talbot has performed publicly and on television both in Europe and across Asia, where her music had been heard through YouTube. On top of her musical career, Talbot continues to attend primary school, and lives in Streetly with her family

Although auditioning for the television reality show Britain's Got Talent was originally a family day out, Talbot's confidence increased when Simon Cowell, whom she is said to have idolised,described her as "pure magic" and said that he would make her earn "£1 million-plus this year".[2] In June 2007 Talbot reached the final stage of the show singing The Wizard of Oz's "Over the Rainbow".[3] Talbot was joint favourite (along with Paul Potts) to emerge as the winner of the first series of Britain's Got Talent.[4][5] It was Potts who won as the result of a call-in vote on the night of the final

MK is often compared to/seen as ''magic'' and for an outsider it could be considered magic.

http://www.clainy.com/uploads/photopress/Connie_Talbot___Somewhere_Over_the_Rainbow.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b30/kiwihutchie/Connie%20Talbot/ConnieTalbotForumLogo1.jpg

hunkahunka

09-07-2008, 04:03 PM

http://www.murotoys.com/rainbowbrite7230sito.jpg

http://bp3.blogger.com/_guRS0LeoI74/R_14XvBSJ7I/AAAAAAAACVI/P7pY9lRTmQU/s1600-h/rainbow_brite_gives_a_show.jpg

http://www.bmezine.com/tattoo/A80429/high/norz-rainbow-brite.jpg

http://z.about.com/d/tattoo/1/0/e/V/kimdorothy.jpg

http://www.scooterandferret.com/ask_maridee/images/fark/rainbowbrite.jpg
http://www.rainbowbrite.net/collect/rbpanties.jpg

http://www.bmezine.com/tattoo/A80327/high/not4-rainbow-brite.jpg

hunkahunka

09-07-2008, 05:52 PM

http://www.orwelltoday.com/tophed.JPG

http://www.orwelltoday.com/movietommy.shtml

TOMMY WAS SEXUALLY ABUSED

There are hidden messages in the entertainment we've been naively exposed to all these years. The writers and actors seem to be under the control of sinister forces.

Take for example the "WHO" album "Tommy" that was made into a movie in the 70s. It turns out that the main character - the deaf, dumb and blind kid - was sexually abused - and that's what the words to the music are all about.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_jWN4u8Vw7Cc/Rq9vP5S6HNI/AAAAAAAAAIs/az-UYP-7ywQ/s320/tommy.jpg

Tommy's creator, Peter Townshend, believes he himself was sexually abused and that TOMMY was an expression of his unconscious trauma. He suspects that internet pornography is fueling an epidemic of sexual abuse of children. In his quest for proof he visited child-porn websites and then subsequently got arrested when the police raided the viewers. This in spite of the fact that he'd alerted the authorities as to what he was doing. Below is the original article. The top are related and follow-up articles as the case proceeds.

Who's Pete Townshend, shown on the set of his rock opera Tommy in 1993, says he paid to view online child pornography as research for his autobiography. He said he believes he was sexually abused as a child.

Uncle Ernie, a pedophile played by Keith Moon in the rock opera Tommy, spent time "fiddling about, fiddling about." In the rock opera Tommy, the deaf, dumb and blind kid escapes into the world of pinball wizardry after he is molested by his Uncle Ernie. The pivotal scene is described in the song Fiddle About, which has Uncle Ernie singing lines like "Your mother left me here to mind you, Now I'm doing what I want to, Fiddling about, Fiddling about," and "Down with the bedclothes, Up with the nightshirt, Fiddle about, Fiddle about." That sequence, in one of Pete Townshend's most popular works may come to be seen as more significant now that a bizarre investigation is unfolding into why the rock star visited Web sites featuring child pornography.

The Who's emblematic lead guitarist and songwriter, who has been caught up in a massive British investigation into online pedophilia, maintains he bought child porn from one of the Web sites as research for his autobiography. "I believe I was sexually abused between the ages of five and six-and-a-half when in the care of my maternal grandmother who was mentally ill at the time," he said in a statement responding to the scandal that has erupted. "I cannot remember clearly what happened, but my creative work tends to throw up nasty shadows -- particularly in Tommy."

http://bp2.blogger.com/_B3pd8gvEaCQ/R5cGOghH5EI/AAAAAAAABOs/txX09Subw3Y/s320/ej_rainbow_front.jpg

http://www.thewho.info/images/TommyMovie-Who-2a.jpghttp://www.thewho.info/images/TommyMovie-Who-2a.jpg
Elton John in Tommy

hunkahunka

09-07-2008, 06:58 PM

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/rainbow-suicide.jpg

http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs29/f/2008/132/a/0/a0540907af8b3299a1cfe0d393a47300.jpg
http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs26/300W/f/2008/113/9/b/9bb1ec173607db05cb3e6b19a7d7ded8.jpg
check out this sicko artist's page here:
http://suicide-happy.deviantart.com/

http://suicide-happy.deviantart.com/art/over-the-rainbow-64332842

krakhead

09-07-2008, 07:23 PM

So, rainbows killed Kurdt Cobain? :confused:

soulja

09-07-2008, 07:30 PM

hunkahunka you just opened another box, Mk symbolism and artists in ''art'' :D

another bloodline monarch earning a living with art.
http://crossbreeddesign.com/colette/work/big/previous/018.jpg
piece is called ''4-legged Psyche''

found the link at http://crossbreeddesign.com btw..

the intropiece on her site, roses, mask , 3 birds/doves in disneystyle, giving a handsignal to her ''brothers'' and ''sisters''
http://crossbreeddesign.com/colette/layout/home.jpg
http://crossbreeddesign.com/colette/

now check her artwork, its worth the 5 mins, read the titles too. i really believe this is not some fantasy, artist imagination bla bla, no its the real deal, infact im thankfull to her and the fact she has the chance to show her art. cos its a opportunity for an outstander to see the whole bloodline/mk growing up/lifestyle from her eyes. eyes that have actually seen it, experienced it.

http://crossbreeddesign.com/colette/work/big/new/a_010.jpg
Sleeper

http://crossbreeddesign.com/colette/work/big/new/a_008.jpg
Coincidental Gathering

http://crossbreeddesign.com/colette/work/big/new/a_009.jpg
dream of the hungry ghost

http://crossbreeddesign.com/colette/work/big/previous/016.jpg
Bird Girl
her way of telling one of her functions was breeding? (11 eggs btw)

http://crossbreeddesign.com/colette/work/big/new/005.htm
http://crossbreeddesign.com/colette/work/big/new/018.htm
http://crossbreeddesign.com/colette/work/big/previous/014.htm

also the pirate theme, all that sex and goddess references, and the monkey who also plays a role in Mk,the two faced figures, all that is worth mentioning.
http://crossbreeddesign.com/colette/work/previews.htm
http://crossbreeddesign.com/colette/work/recent.htm

Vanessa Valore
http://studioscreenings.com/galleries/Vanessa-Valore/butterfly_shield.sized.jpg
butterfly shield
http://studioscreenings.com/galleries/Vanessa-Valore/great_escape.sized.jpg
great escape
http://studioscreenings.com/gallery/Vanessa-Valore

soulja

09-07-2008, 07:32 PM

Marion Peck was born on October 3, 1963 in Manila, the Philippines, while her family was on a trip around the world, and grew up in Seattle,
Washington. She received a BFA from The Rhode Island School of Design in 1985. Subsequently she studied in two different MFA programs, Syracuse University in New York and Temple University in Rome. She currently lives in Eagle Rock, CA.
http://www.marionpeck.com/

yet another artist that shows us alot about mk through her work, some very interesting pieces, she might have even met the queen ;)
http://www.marionpeck.com/paintings/gallery1/index.html

Wayne Morris:
It seems like some of these programmers also have done things deliberately to discredit any accounts coming -- afterwards -- in terms of the victims, like them dressing up like Santa Claus -- just being ridiculous ...
http://www.marionpeck.com/paintings/gallery1/03.html
(remember the Korn album cover with the masked little girl and joint smoking santa ?)

Cisco Wheeler:
Even when they got a hold of us in the first five years of our therapy, and they did get a hold of us, and they did torture us, and they did apply electrical shock, they did drug us, and they did rape us, over and over, they continued these things the first five years. Even after the trauma, it was still worth it. Because it was the first time we knew we were human. We had been so dehumanized from the trauma of the mind control, that just to have a spark of humanism, to really have the reality, "I am not a kitten." "I am a child, I am a woman, I was once a little girl."
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/ciscowheelerinterview11jan98.shtml

kittens
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/films/kittenslg.jpg
http://www.marionpeck.com/paintings/gallery1/06.html

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/films/17cover.jpg
Paris, interesting, that's the same Paris who's got a Butterfly tat on her back.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/paris-hilton-butterfly-tattoo.jpg

Beta--This is the second Greek letter, and it represents the sexual models and sexual alters that the Programmers are creating. The primitive part of the brain is involved in this type of programming. An early sexual abuse event will be used to anchor this programming. These sexual slaves will develop sexual abilities that are far beyond what the public is aware is even possible. They also receive the worst kind of abuse far beyond what most people’s imagination can picture. Beta alters generally see themselves as cats.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/kittycopy.gif
"Illuminati Kitty" by Lisa Petrucci

i found her on this site (http://copronason.com/illuminati4.html) btw
they sell some pieces for 14,000, cheaper ones go by a few hundred.

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/v/kitten.htm

http://www.switchbladekittens.com/html/bio/players/drama/Drama-with-Mickey-ears.jpg
Drama
(Princess Kitten)
THE LEAD SCREAMER (with the rainbow hairs)
http://www.switchbladekittens.com/html/bio/players/drama/drama.php
http://www.switchbladekittens.com/

http://cerrillos.org/RainbowCat.gif
cat under a rainbow from a eastern star website
http://cerrillos.org/oes19.htm

Victims of mind-control have been placed in many humiliating body positions, as well as many painful body positions. It takes years of slow subconscious work as well as deep massage to pull these up and work with these body memories. For instance, during the tortures to create cat/kitten alters, the children often crouch like cats. Kitten alters will retain their body memories of crouching (hunching the shoulders) like a cat. Sometimes when their masters begin to beat on kitten alters, they will reflexively crouch like a scared kitten. And what’s with the woman called Queen Sheri who has been managing the two professional wrestlers Macho King and Randy Savage? Both of these professional wrestlers are part of a "family" called the New World Order. Queen Sheri walks around in a cat costume and facial makeup that makes her look like a real wild cat. Is this wildcat a Monarch wildcat?

hunkahunka

09-07-2008, 08:31 PM

Soulja, fantastic posts,

check out this video by Marion PEck and Mark Ryden:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeuGAuZKIq4
the art of Mark Ryden:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn6JVXf5Re4&NR=1

hunkahunka

09-07-2008, 08:55 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/icasocot/UndertheRainbow.jpg

soulja

09-07-2008, 09:12 PM

interesting vids, especially the second one from mark ryden.

i'll look into that character a bit more.

hunkahunka

09-07-2008, 09:17 PM

Converse “Kurt Cobain” Collection
http://www.eukicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/sidelineapparel_1994_122850999.jpg
http://www.eukicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/318275-101-6.jpg
http://www.eukicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/318275-101-3.jpg

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n291/llee3566/rainbow.jpg
http://www.mrdavidmusicworks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/image/Rainbow-Butterflies-MrDavid.jpg

soulja

09-07-2008, 10:04 PM

lol the rainbow colored converse Cobain collection, you couldn't make it up.

krakhead

09-07-2008, 10:16 PM

lol the rainbow colored converse Cobain collection, you couldn't make it up.

Why not? You all appear to be making loads of other connections up on the spot? :p

eternal_spirit

09-07-2008, 11:07 PM

I can't add anything to this thread, but good posts it's an education and helps with the bigger picture of mind control and how it works. :cool:

monkey

10-07-2008, 12:51 AM

You definitely see lesbian tendencies in a lot of female stars - Madonna , Britney , LiLo , Aguilera etc etc.

How many male stars with homosexual tendencies ?

Too many to mention. TOM CRUISE? (mind controlled), practically ANY childrens TV presenter. Has anyone noticed how the BBC's most popular(promoted) childrens tv show is called "DICK and DOM"? presented by 2 blatent homosexuals. Does anyone else think that MARK SPEIGHT, childrens TV presenter who supposedly commited suicide after going missing. weeks earlier his 'girlfriend' was found dead in a bathtub, her body full of cocaine. The geezer looks totally gay.

In fact the BBC is riddled with homosexuals who seem to promote a hidden agenda. The 'roman' thing.

Justin timberlake was most likely buggered from an early age in the mickey mouse club. He looks very gay, styled, is a very good dancer too which is a giveaway.

Most premiership footballers these days are probaBLY CAGOULED INTO HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVITY. tHE TEAM 'ROASTING' sessions where they gang rape some poor girl is verging on homosexual, I mean who wants to see thier colleague's erect penis in ANY circumstance?

I think George W bush, barak obama and bill clinton were abused as boys rather than abusers.

Hillary duff pic very creepy

American idol like big brother is used to give MK victims the appearance of being normal people who got selected because of their personality/talent and then came to fame through these shows.

it's a career starter.

You know, I think you're onto something there old boy.

That bigbrother show is blatent programming for us plebs, the recent 'bomb' scare, what cobblers.

pop idol, american idol, pure evil. cowell is blatantly a handler

hunkahunka

10-07-2008, 01:35 AM

http://www.musicroom.fr/images/catalogue/fullsize/IMP20967.jpg

http://www.coopstuff.com/Ruth/COOP/pinball/wizard.jpg

http://www.coopstuff.com/Ruth/COOP/pinball/wizardad.jpg

Clip from movie Tommy:

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkEAS_eySw4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHxpy7O004s

jric

10-07-2008, 01:47 AM

This is all getting a bit homophobic.

hunkahunka

10-07-2008, 02:02 AM

Michael Jackson played the scarecrow in the Wizard of OZ based
musical 'The Wiz' in 1978.
http://www.mjfanclub.net/home/images/stories/thewiz.jpg

Michael Jackson began a rapid decline from the time of this movie onward.

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11-sI8f2rXE

hunkahunka

11-07-2008, 01:17 AM

can you say Mkultra?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/bunker-searched-in-jersey-child-abuse-probe-863633.html

Bunker searched in Jersey child abuse probe

By Jerome Taylor
Thursday, 10 July 2008

The investigation into child abuse at a former children's home on the island of Jersey took a further grim turn yesterday as forensic officers began searching a former Nazi war bunker less than a mile from the home.

Police yesterday said at least six victims of abuse had come forward alleging "serious sexual crimes" were carried out against them in the bunker which was built and used by German artillery when the island was under Nazi occupation during the Second World War.
For more than four months now specialist officers have been conducting a painstaking forensic excavation of the cellars of the nearby Haut de la Garenne children's home where numerous former residents say they were repeatedly drugged, beaten and raped over a period of more than 40 years.
Deputy Chief Officer Lenny Harper, who is leading the investigation, told reporters outside the bunker yesterday: "The allegation is that residents from Haut de la Garenne were taken to the bunker by members of staff and abused there. We are talking about six witness statements to us concerning the bunker. Six different witnesses and different incidents."
The investigation on the island is one of the largest child abuse cases in British history. Excavations at the children's home have unearthed a number of disturbing finds that police say corroborate what victims have said took place in the cellars below. Victims described the cellar as a punishment and rape chamber where children often spent days on end in complete darkness shackled to a bath filled with cold water. Forensic searches have uncovered the concrete bath, flecked with traces of blood, and a message scrawled into the wall above saying "I've been bad for years and years". A set of shackles has also been found.
Police first began excavating the home in February after receiving intelligence that human remains may have been buried on site. An initial find of what was thought to be a child's skull later turned out to be a piece of coconut or wood but subsequent excavations have uncovered 65 children's teeth and a number of human bone fragments. Further examination of the bones revealed that some had been cut or burned leading the police to treat Haut de la Garenne as a possible homicide crime scene.
Although no bodies have been found, police do believe human remains are in the cellar.
"We have a dead child or dead children in that cellar," said Lenny Harper yesterday. "We do not know how they got there or how they died, but we do know in that cellar we have a dead child."
The bunker, meanwhile, lies underneath an historic nineteenth century Martello watchtower just over half a mile to the east of Haut de la Garenne. Both the bunker and tower are currently owned by the Jersey National Trust.
During the Second World War German occupying forces built bunkers across the island to protect from any counter invasion from allied forces. The bunker near Haut de la Garenne was constructed by an artillery regiment who fortified the tower and dug a series of three bunkers. The largest contained eight rooms and was used as a telephone exchange whilst the others were used as sleeping quarters and contained two rooms each.
Police said they were not expecting to have to excavate the bunkers adding that a finger tip search would only take a few days. The number of victims who say they were abused at Haut de la Garenne now stands at 97 whilst 109 people have been named as being involved in offences connected to the investigation. Police said yesterday that 18 have been identified as priority suspects. Police also announced David Warcup, deputy chief constable of Northumbria will shortly replace Deputy Chief Officer Harper who is due to retire within weeks.
J

Jersey abuse inquiry: suspected milk teeth total reaches 48

* Joe Jackson
* guardian.co.uk,
* Thursday June 19, 2008
* Article history
http://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/03/02/jersey10v.jpg
The basement of the former children's home in Saint-Martin, Jersey, where the police forensic team's excavation work has been taking place. Photograph: Alain Jocard/PA

Investigators searching the Haut de la Garenne former children's home in Jersey have found a another 21 suspected milk teeth in the past week, police said today.
The latest discoveries, made in cellar areas beneath the building, bring the total number of teeth unearthed at the site to 48 since investigators began excavating the grounds at the former care home in February after allegations of child abuse spanning three decades.
A Jersey police spokeswomen confirmed officers believe the teeth belonged to children.
"Although detailed testing has yet to take place, early indications are that most if not all the teeth found are milk teeth," she said.
More than half of the 48 samples so far discovered at Haut de la Garenne have been sent to the UK for examination, with the remainder still in Jersey.
Investigators are continuing to examine areas of the former children's home, carrying out a "detailed sieving process" for further evidence of human remains.
More than 30 bone fragments have been found at the site, with tests showing some have been cut while others have been burnt.
A former policeman, the fourth person to be arrested in connection with the case, was released from custody without charge last week.
Meanwhile, three other people have appeared in court in connection with the probe.
An independent group set up to monitor the inquiry this week set up a Post Office box address and email to help people make contact easily.
Police have received more than 100 allegations of abuse at the island's former children's home between the early 1960s and 1986, after starting an investigation in November last year.
Suspected parts of a child's body were discovered at Haut de la Garenne in February as officers acted on information from hundreds of callers.
Officers later discounted the remains as non-human, but soon found other remains in the cellars of the former care home.
Specialist detectives from the UK mainland joined the inquiry as further grim discoveries were made, including "punishment rooms" in the basement of the building.
States of Jersey senators have agreed to hold a full public enquiry into child abuse on the island once the criminal investigation had been completed.
Built on a Jersey hilltop in 1867, Haut de la Garenne was first a school and then an orphanage before becoming one of Jersey's childcare homes.
It still housed up to 60 young people with special needs when it closed in 1986, reopening in 2004 as the island's first youth hostel.
It has also been used as the setting of a police station in the BBC detective television series Bergerac.

Check out China's brand new 'Rainbow Orphanage', to be built in response
the latest 'natural' disaster in China:

http://www.slideshare.net/xodigoguy/helping-the-hurting-in-china

hunkahunka

11-07-2008, 01:40 AM

http://www.hanover-search.com/graphics_uploaded/Rainbow_logo_web.jpg

http://www.rainbowhouseinc.org/images/runlogo2008_p1uc.jpg
Rainbow House Atlanta

http://www.arainbowcc.com/ar%20logo.jpg
Alice's Rainbow Childcare- Iowa

http://www.rainbowpreschool.net/images/rainbow-logo.gif
England

http://www.hopeforgirls.org/english/img/img-logo-rainbow.jpg
Orphanage in India

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Franco_64/MadonnaRainbowHardCandy.jpg

deafbred

11-07-2008, 03:56 AM

however it seems it may be true which way or the other though not to seem to frank on the line of conclusions which decide, why do we sway which way or the other....why not stay in the center point here and now. who cares about the past what happened or who said what or did what or if Cobain slept or did things that may have profaned his original true grace nature of life in this world of his human body.... there is always that reflection, in the moment that resist the pure thought of the now openess. withering it away to a dull mis-magnification of preordered delusions of the NOW. from shame or bitter dispute, repute...who cares...its in the wind now...carried away. myth settles for something more keeping score trying to open a door that was closed a long time ago. The NOW remains ever free in the grace present in the presence of the experience of the uplifting nature of its beauty ...untold...unseen..unimaginable...- its only hard and difficult when I try to reduce it to words. the wave is us. lets amplify it if it is truly a good thing. lets resist if ponderances deflect the reflect of light into a shadow of betrayal. the now remains always free...its before the water even drops...its the presence of the now that reflects the beauty in the change of the grace that was once still and thought unmovable but acheived with action. it opens up the wave lengths to shine brighter a better light that is more than just who we are individually but when totality reaches its peak in the presence of the now through 'us'...we achieve something that which we thought not of that could be possible or for-seen. a magnitude - here and now there are no words to describe the absolute presence of the now in which it is felt in the experience of the onward protrayal of the world which we see so little of through means of our ~current~(electric vibe time) means of concious interplay

soulja

11-07-2008, 01:31 PM

funny how many schools and child care services use OZ themes in their logo.
coincidence i'm sure..;)
http://www.sotrchildcare.com/resources/_wsb_523x210_over+the+rainbow+sign.jpg

btw the jerseycase reminds me at the McMartin case

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a371/Souljahtru/BBmkUltraMOnarc/mcmartinschool.jpg

there more quiet similar cases but i chose this one because of its scale and media attention.. or cover up to be more accurate..

the following article is a well researched sum up of the case..

By David McGowan
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/pedophocracypart4mcmartinpreschoolaug01.shtml
August 2001

Rarely has such a strange and little-understood organization had such a profound effect on media coverage of such a controversial matter. The [False Memory Syndrome] foundation is an aggressive, well-financed PR machine adept at manipulating the press, harassing its critics, and mobilizing a diverse army of psychiatrists, outspoken academics, expert defense witnesses, litigious lawyers, Freud bashers, critics of psychotherapy, and devastated parents.
Columbia Journalism Review, July/August 1997

If there is anyone who can relate to the sentiments expressed by the Presidio and West Point parents, it is the mothers and fathers of the children who attended the infamous McMartin Preschool. The McMartin case was, of course, the largest and most well publicized of the multi-victim, multi-perpetrator ritual abuse cases that captured headlines in the 1980s. It was also a case that was grotesquely misrepresented by the media, both mainstream and 'alternative' perhaps nowhere more so than in the appalling writings of Nation columnist Alexander Cockburn, who went so far as to write an op-ed piece entitled The McMartin Case: Indict the Children, Jail the Parents which ran in The Wall Street Journal on February 8, 1990.

Virtually everyone agrees that the children of McMartin were victimized. There is considerable debate, of course, over whether that victimization was by abusive caretakers, or by overzealous therapists and prosecutors. Either way, Cockburns stance on the case was unconscionable and should have sent a clear signal to the progressive community that there was considerably more to the McMartin allegations than met the eye. The harsh reality is that the McMartin Preschool, in conjunction with at least two other Manhattan Beach preschools and one babysitting service, was the center of a very large child prostitution and child pornography ring whose operations appear to have been protected and covered up by any number of local, state and federal officials.

A glimpse of the true nature and scale of the McMartin case is offered by an official correspondence from Sergeant Beth Dickerson of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department to Agent Kenneth Lanning at the FBI Academys Behavioral Sciences Unit in Quantico, Virginia, dated February 10, 1985:

In August 1983, the Manhattan Beach Police Department began an investigation regarding allegations of sexual abuse occurring at the McMartin Preschool... Altogether, approximately 400 children were evaluated by therapists at Children's Institute International. All interviews were videotaped and 350 children disclosed sexual behavior...

In all, the victims named seven teachers (six women and one male) at the preschool as having molested them. These individuals are currently charged with 209 counts of child molestation. Also named are about 30 other individuals still uncharged, as well as numerous unidentified 'strangers.'

McMartin victims allege sexual abuse occurred on school grounds as well as at a local market, churches, a mortuary, various homes, a farm, a doctor's office, other preschools and other unknown locations...

Most children state they were photographed in the nude... They mention drinking a red or pink liquid that made them sleepy... Children disclose animal sacrificing (bunnies, ponies, turtles, etc.) and some of this occurred in churches. Victims describe sticks put in their vaginas and rectums and also being 'pooped' and 'peed' on. Children say that the adults sometimes dressed in black robes, formed a circle around them and chanted.

In May 1984, another preschool investigation began in the same policing jurisdiction stemming from a McMartin victim who identified the Manhattan Ranch Preschool as a place where he was taken and molested... additional children have begun disclosing sexual abuse (approximately 60) and they have named six or more additional suspects... These children talk of strangers coming to the school and molesting them, being taken off campus and molested, being photographed nude and some talk of animals being abused. The children talk of being hit with sticks and of being 'peed' and 'pooped' on...

[T]he resources of the police department and the District Attorney's office were not sufficient in order to follow up on the multitude of uncharged suspects in both preschools... The Task Force became operational on November 5, 1984. It should be noted that the Task Force has two other preschools under investigation for alleged sexual abuse in addition to McMartin and Manhattan Ranch. One, the Learning Game Preschool, is clearly linked to McMartin.

An astounding 460 children reported being sexually abused at the three closely linked Manhattan Beach schools. Even more astounding, investigative author Michael Newton (among others) has noted that Childrens Institute International determined a full eighty percent displayed physical symptoms, including vaginal or rectal scarring, anal bleeding, painful bowel movements, and the 'anal wick reflex' associated with violent penetration. The stories told by the victim/witnesses were remarkably similar as to the nature of the abuse, the locations where the abuse took place, and the perpetrators of the abuse. And these were not, as is commonly believed, only preschool children telling such stories; some of the witnesses were former students in their teens and twenties, and their stories corroborated those of the children.

The older witnesses were not allowed to testify at the McMartin trials, however, as the statute of limitations for the crimes committed against them had expired. Many of the younger witnesses were unable to offer testimony as well, for various reasons most notably because they were too severely traumatized. Even so, as author Jan Hollingsworth has pointed out, prosecutors had at their disposal more than a hundred child witnesses as old as eleven and a truckload of medical reports bearing documentation of scarred genitals and anuses. The stories told by these children, it should be noted, were not fed to them by some diabolical team of therapists and headline-seeking journalists. Many of them were offered spontaneously to hundreds of parents and scores of childcare specialists. And many of the victims of the McMartin Preschool, all adults now, still tell the same stories today.

Anyone suggesting that the allegations in the McMartin case were true and that a massive cover-up concealed the true nature and scope of the case is likely to be labeled a 'conspiracy theorist.' The most preposterous conspiracy theory surrounding McMartin, however, has always been the notion that some cabal of overzealous therapists was able to implant 'false memories' of heinous abuse in the minds of nearly 500 individuals, and have them persist to this day.

Despite the vast number of eyewitnesses - most of them bearing physical evidence of abuse - and despite the fact that the judge who presided over more than a year of pre-trial testimony ruled that the state had more than enough evidence to proceed to trial, District Attorney Ira Reiner inexplicably dropped all charges against five of the seven McMartin defendants on January 17, 1986. Six days before that, he had summarily dismissed two prosecutors on the case.

At least three-dozen suspects who had been independently identified by numerous witnesses were never indicted at all. One of these was a man named Robert Winkler, who was arrested in neighboring Torrance, California and charged with running a baby-sitting service out of the Coco Palms Motel that authorities described as a front for a sexual abuse ring. Children in the McMartin case recognized Winkler in news footage as the man they had known as the 'Wolfman.' The kids described Winkler as being a frequent visitor to the school, who oftentimes delivered drugs for use in abusive rituals, which were sometimes conducted in churches, a cemetery, or a crematorium. The Wolfman, conveniently enough, turned up dead on the eve of his trial, allegedly of a drug overdose.

Winkler was not the only one to miss his day in court in conjunction with the McMartin case. Judy Johnson, the first McMartin parent to lodge a complaint, never delivered her scheduled testimony. Her body was found sprawled naked on the floor of her home, her death said to be due to complications from her chronic alcoholism. Before her death, she was regularly derided by defense attorneys and their media allies as a deranged crank. In truth, Johnson was not known to have any mental problems, or a drinking problem, before learning of the unthinkable abuse her child had suffered. Considered a key prosecution witness, Johnson received frequent threats before her death and she was followed when she ventured out in public. Many of the other McMartin parents were openly skeptical of Johnsons stated cause of death.

A former Hermosa Beach police officer named Paul Bynum, who had been hired by the parents of victims as a private investigator, turned up dead on the eve of his scheduled testimony as well. His death by gunshot was ruled a suicide, though those close to Bynum dispute that finding. Among other things, Bynum may have testified about his examination of the tunnel excavation project conducted at the school site. This was, of course, the object of much derision by the media. The fact that the children repeatedly told stories of tunnels under the property by which they could be secretly transported to and from the school, and in which they were subjected to horrific abuse in a secret room, was frequently cited as proof that the children's stories were fabrications. It was universally accepted that the tunnels did not actually exist, that being the consensus view of the media and law enforcement authorities. Nevertheless, while it is true that the investigation commissioned by the District Attorney's office found no evidence of tunnels, another investigation, ignored by the media, certainly did.

Many of the parents were not satisfied with the superficial examination by the DA's office and commissioned another investigation of the site when the property was sold in April 1990. To lead the project, they hired E. Gary Stickel, Ph.D., a highly regarded archeologist recommended to them by the Chair of the Interdisciplinary Program of the Archeology Department at UCLA. Stickels résumé included serving as a consultant to George Lucas on the Indiana Jones movies. Also brought on board were several other technical specialists. As Stickel wrote in his report on the excavation, by engaging a highly recommended professional archeological team, [the parents] hoped to bring scientific authority to whatever might be found or a definitive resolution for whatever was not to be found. And what the team found was precisely what the children, for the previous seven years, had been telling them they would find:

The project unearthed not one but two tunnel complexes as well as previously unrecognized structural features which defied logical explanation. Both tunnel complexes conformed to locations and functional descriptions established by children's reports. One had been described as providing undetected access to an adjacent building on the east. The other provided outside access under the west wall of the building and contained within it an enlarged, cavernous artifact corresponding to children's descriptions of a secret room.

Both the contour signature of the walls and the nature of recovered artifacts indicated that the tunnels had been dug by hand under the concrete slab floor after the construction of the building... Not only did the discovered features fulfill the research prequalifications as tunnels designed for human traffic, there was also no alternative or natural explanation for the presence of such features...

If the stories of the children were bogus fantasies, there is no excuse for the tunnels discovered under the school. If there really were tunnels, there is no excuse for the glib dismissal of any and all of the complaints of the children and their parents.

This investigation was completed before the McMartin trials concluded, and yet this devastating evidence was never presented in court by the prosecution team. The existence of this detailed report - complete with photographs and maps of the tunnel complex - was known to the local and national press, but it was never reported. To this day, it is denied that any tunnels ever existed under the McMartin Preschool. The denial of the tunnels is necessary to maintain the illusion that the children were not credible witnesses, that illusion being an essential component of the cover-up. For if the children were credible, the implications run far deeper than the tunnels under the school. There are, for example, the stories told by the children of being pimped out as child prostitutes in private homes and businesses all over the community. They also spoke frequently of being photographed and videotaped while being abused. District Attorney Robert Philibosian publicly declared the McMartin Preschool to be an elaborate front for a massive child pornography operation. Twenty-three parents filed a civil lawsuit making the very same claim.

Other stories told repeatedly by the children were even more disturbing. They told of being forced to witness and participate in the ritual torture, killing and mutilation of animals and, on occasion, of human babies and children as well. They spoke of being forced to drink the blood and eat the flesh of the slaughtered corpses, of witnessing the beheading of infants, and of being forced to stab infants themselves. They told as well of being sealed in coffins with the mutilated corpses. And they spoke of being subjected to every sort of depraved sexual activity imaginable, including necrophilia, coprophilia and bestiality. The abuse was of such stunning brutality that it is almost beyond human comprehension that anyone could inflict such physical and psychological torture on children. And yet these stories were soon being told by thousands of other kids across the country as preschool abuse cases spread like wildfire. Young children from all walks of life, and from all parts of the country, were all telling remarkably similar stories of horrific ritual abuse.

How was this possible? If they were all victims of false memories,how vast a conspiracy would be required for therapists all across the country to implant the very same memories in all of these children? Experts have noted that the victimized children show a level of knowledge that defies rational explanation if the kids have not experienced what they claim to have experienced. For instance, these child victims can accurately describe the look, smell, texture and colors of human viscera. This is an ability, it has been argued, that very few adults possess, other than those who have been trained as surgeons or coroners. These children also display a remarkable level of knowledge of a wide variety of unconventional human sexual practices, including many acts that, again, most adults do not have knowledge or awareness of. If these children did not experience these things firsthand, then how did they gain such knowledge?

In February 1985, officer Sandi Gallant of the San Francisco Police Department submitted a report to her superiors noting the similarities in numerous ritual abuse cases. She had gathered evidence from fellow officers and police departments across the country and summarized the evidence referenced in the police reports submitted to her. An excerpt from her report reads as follows:

The information contained herein is distasteful and bizarre, to such a degree that one would choose to discredit it. However, research that I have done in this area has revealed that numerous cases of this type are surfacing around the country and in Canada. The similarities in the stories of each child victim used in these crimes tend to give credibility to the information revealed by others. Additionally, the psychiatrists and therapists who have been treating the victims state that the consistency of the stories and the explicit details revealed cause them to believe that these children are telling the truth. It is also the belief of each law enforcement officer who submitted information for this report that the victims are being truthful and that, in fact, children would be unable to make such stories up.

During my research, similarities began surfacing which indicate the strong probability that there exists a network of people in this country involved in the sexual abuse and possible homicides of young children. These cases appear to differ from isolated cases of abuse towards children in that the crimes mentioned here have been committed with one common goal in mind that of mutilating and murdering children for ritualistic or sacrificial purposes. Many of the cases reported also reveal the possibility of child pornography beyond the normal type of kiddie porn in that these children are photographed during rituals with some members in robes or other garb and candles, snakes, swords, altars and other types of ritualistic material being used.

Gallant requested that the report be sent on to the chief of police for him to review and then forward to the FBI. Following his review, however, the chief declined to submit the report. Gallant next tried to get the U.S. Department of Justice to review the paperwork, but she was rebuffed there as well.

As for the McMartin case, there has never been any question that the children there were horrifically abused. Though rarely noted in press reports, the jurors were clearly of the opinion that that was, in fact, the case. The hung juries and acquittals in the various proceedings were the result of the jury members inability to identify the perpetrators of the abuse, not the reflection of any belief that there wasnt any abuse. The jurors attributed their inability to identify the perpetrators to the inept presentation of the prosecutions case.

Also rarely noted in the reporting on the trials is that the matriarch of the McMartin family - Virginia McMartin - admitted on the stand that one of her own granddaughters believed that her own children had been molested at the school. Virginia McMartin, incidentally, was more than just your run-of-the-mill preschool operator. In the mid-1960s, she achieved a sort of semi-celebrity status in the childcare field, and traveled extensively as a consultant, including stops in New Zealand, Australia, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and England.

Another notable aspect of the McMartin trials is that the defense team was allowed to subject the child witnesses to the longest pretrial hearing in the nations history. Facing a battery of as many as seven rabid defense attorneys, the already severely traumatized children were verbally assaulted for weeks on end in a deliberate attempt to break them. The state made little effort to protect these young victim/witnesses.

In the final analysis, the logical conclusion to be drawn from the McMartin case is that 460 kids did not all conspire to lie about the abuse they suffered. They also did not likely lie about their involvement in child prostitution and child pornography. They certainly did not lie about the tunnels under the school. They probably did not lie about their forced involvement in satanic rituals, in which adults sheathed in black ceremonial robes uttered chants. In fact, at least one such robe was seized from the home of a defendant. And perhaps most tragically, there is good reason to believe that they did not lie about the blood sacrifices either.

REFERENCES:
1. Constantine, Alex Virtual Government, Feral House, 1997
2. Hollingsworth, Jan Unspeakable Acts, Congdon & Weed, 1986
3. Kahaner, Larry Cults That Kill, Warner Books, 1989
4. Newton, Michael Raising Hell, Avon Books, 1993
5. Raschke, Carl Painted Black, Harper and Row, 1990
6. Ryder, Daniel Cover-Up of the Century, Ryder Publishing, 1996
7. Stanton, Mike ;U-Turn on Memory Lane, Columbia Journalism Review, July/August 1997
8. Stickel, E. Gary, Ph.D. Archaeological Investigations of the McMartin Preschool Site, Manhattan Beach, California (unpublished report of investigation)
9. Summit, Dr. Roland C. The Dark Tunnels of McMartin, Journal of Psychohistory, Spring 1994

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/pedophocracypart4mcmartinpreschoolaug01.shtml

now for every case like this that gets media attention (mostly due some lucky coincidence that prevented them from covering it up properly) there are probably hundreds more that we never hear of. see this is not one rather messed up family operating on its own just for the sake of doing it.
what we see is the lowest level of an giant network operating all over the world. multigenerational satanic families, grown up with trauma based mind control to do the dirty day to day job for the higher families that run those rings. for various reasons..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_Preschool
thats more or less the official story, worth a read to see how respected news outlets help covering up cases like that.

they call that journalism these days :rolleyes:

in order to understand (or believe for that matter) how they work and get away with most they do you gotta understand how they manipulate dynamic events and their outcomes. this is achieved through making sure you have your people in every party involved, and even better your man direct on the job in said party, obviously like the main reporters covering the case and the media in general. the most important element to control since it pretty much decides wich voices are heard and how those that are heard are presented. it also allows them to play another favourite card of theirs - the crazy card - whenever something hits the puplic they didnt want to, one of their options is to label the source as crazy thus making their message unbelievable. that often goes hand in hand with digging some dirt out or if they cant find any just invent some, or dumping someone elses dirt on the target person's doorstep, so to speak.

like in the McMartin case were they labeled the mother of the first child speaking out as shizo. and who believes a nutter right ?
its quiet funny really, all it needs is some short clip on evening news of some ''respected'' psychiatrist ''explaining'' in slick pseudo intellectuall oxford english why the target person is completely cuckoo and the likely reason why she/he became that way..

another important element to control is of course the judge on trial, and the police in general but especially the main detectives on the case. important if you want to destroy, cover up or even plant evidence plus to keep an eye on the progress of the police investigation, infact in most cases due their habit of controlling the highest hierachy of the police through the masonic wing of the Brotherhood, they more or less guide police ''investigations'' in their desired direction.

and wich is essential for controlling the outcome of events - you need your people on the other side, the opposing side, in the McMartin case it was like one of the biggest opinion makers outthere the NY Times wrote in an January 7, 2001 Articel ;

...
Satanic-abuse experts, therapists and social workers soon descended on the school and, with a barrage of suggestive, not to say coercive, questioning techniques (lavishly praising children who "disclosed," telling those who denied the abuse that they were "dumb," introducing salacious possibilities that children had never mentioned), produced increasingly elaborate and grotesque testimonials from young children at the school. ..

''you know if there is no rotten fruit in the basket simply put one in''

but the cover up doesnt end with carefully crafted hitpieces in news and papers wich are designed to manipulate our minds, no no, more often than not they hit us with the movie too. to catch ya feelings ;)

this MO brought us cinematic ''classics'' such as Private Jessica Lynch - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377112/ or Flight 93 -
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0481522/ and so on...

they dont even care sticking to facts and they get away with it because they say its ''based'' on a true story, wich gives them enough room to spin it the way they desire it. they play the emotions card, basicly..

so with all the media attention the McMartin case got at its time its no surprise that we were ''blessed'' with a Movie about it.
based on a true story, ahem..
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113421/

i found that user comment on the imdb site quiet interesting btw;

Another great HBO film, 27 October 1999
Author: Steven Walker

This is another fact-based HBO film that brings every element together for a movie with an incredible emotional impact. It is impossible to come away from this movie without feeling incredibly sympathetic toward the Buckey family.

thats the world we life in atm, up is down, black is white, evil is good and the perpetrators are the victims..

hunkahunka

11-07-2008, 02:37 PM

http://www.classicalvalues.com/PTM.gif

speaking of mind control, many people have documented evidence pointing to mind-control conditioning of school shooters such as the boys at Columbine and the shooter at Virginia Tech.

So, with that in mind, guess which movie director's name has cropped again in connection with mind control?

Gus Van Sant . His film 'Elephant' is a fictionalized account of the Columbine shootings, perpetrated by two homosexual youths.

Watch Part 1 of the film Elephant here:
(got to youtube to find the rest of the ten or so parts)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgykPngL8vE&feature=related

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001EFUFK.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Gus Van Sant is disgusting.
First he brought us the mind controlled gay child prostitutes of 'My Own
Private Idaho', then he did a film on mind control victim Kurt Cobain in
'Last Days'. Then he did 'Elephant' , showcasing the CIA's mind-controlled
assassins. His next project is 2009's upcoming Electric Koolaid Acid Test, a nostalgic
look back at the CIA's LSD distribution plan in the 1960's.

Could it be any more obvious that Gus Van Sant and his entire milieu
are CIA ?

hunkahunka

11-07-2008, 02:45 PM

The nazis didn't 'persecute' all gays. A lot of them were gay.
(and Jewish, btw)

Exposing The Pink Trianglehttp://fetchingjen.blogspot.com/2007/05/exposing-pink-triangle.html

http://bp3.blogger.com/_qhW6XzzTyck/Rj-T5ZZ9kNI/AAAAAAAAACU/SbpYk_sxI4M/s320/Nazi+symbols.jpg

Exposing The Pink Triangle

Socially sensitive high schools all over the country, particularly in California, have established a safe zone for homosexual students who feel harassed or persecuted. This area is a painted Pink Triangle located somewhere on campus, where the student can go and be away from harassment. An administrator is then expected to rush to the student's immediate aid and administer comfort.

However, the history of the pink triangle, as with many other historical icons, is not what the homosexual community would like us all to believe. In fact, the “gay rights” movement has hijacked other movements, often portraying itself as an American phenomenon which arose from the civil rights movement of the 1950s. It is not uncommon to hear homosexualists (those both “gay” and “straight” which promote the legitimization of homosexuality) characterize “gay rights” as the natural third wave of civil rights activism (following blacks and women). In reality, however, Germany was the birthplace of “gay rights,” and its legacy in that nation is truly alarming.

As the badge used by the Nazis to designate homosexuals in the concentration camps, the pink triangle perfectly expresses the message of “gay rights.” That message is that homosexuals are currently and historically victims of irrational prejudice and that those who oppose homosexuality are hateful bigots. This all-important victim status engenders sympathy for the homosexual “cause” among well-meaning heterosexuals. Thus, millions of otherwise rational Americans support a movement whose sole unifying characteristic is a sexual lifestyle they personally find repugnant. When homosexuals display the pink triangle, they are equating all opposition to homosexuality with Nazism and themselves with the Jewish victims of the Holocaust. Clever.

Free Republic did extensive research into homosexuals and the real and correct history of the pink triangle. While a relative few homosexuals were interned in Nazi work camps, the role of homosexuals in Nazi history is not accurately represented by the pink triangle. Their review of more than 200 history and other texts written since the 1930s suggests that a pink swastika would be equally appropriate: while some homosexuals were jailed by the Nazi party, there is no doubt that the Nazi party itself had many homosexuals within its own ranks, even among its highest leadership.

Many "butch" homosexuals were drawn to and joined the Nazi party. It was the "butch" or manly homosexuals that considered themselves as a breed of men superior in masculine qualities even to heterosexuals, ultra-masculine, male-supremacist and pederastic (devoted to man/boy se. It was the loathing which these “Butches” held for effeminate homosexuals (“Femmes”) which led to the internment of some of the latter in slave labor camps in the Third Reich.

The men who orchestrated the Nazi campaign of intimidation and terror were almost all homosexual and practiced supremacy and militarism.

Many of the Nazi emblems, such as the swastika, the double lightning bolt SS symbol, and even the inverted triangle symbol used to identify classes of prisoners in the concentration camps, originated with Guido von List and the List-Gesellschaft (“Guido von List Society”) . The Guido von List Society practiced a form of tantric sexual perversion popularized in occult circles by Aleister Crowley. According to J. Sydney Jones, these men enjoyed “playing with black magic and little boys.”

The attraction of fascism for homosexuals appears in the history of other countries as well. Pro-Nazi fascist organizations in both England and France were headed by homosexuals. Adolph Hitler was thought to be a homosexual who surrounded himself with other homosexual men as he rose to power. Hitler seemed to prefer homosexual companions and coworkers. In addition to Rohm and Hess, two of his closest friends, Hitler filled key positions with known or suspected homosexuals, all part of the "butch" homosexual Nazi movement.

A psychiatrist was commissioned by the Allies in 1943 to prepare a thorough psychological profile of Hitler. His report, kept under wraps for 29 years was published in book form in 1972 as The Mind of Adolf Hitler. He wrote that Hitler was certainly a coprophile (a person who is sexually aroused by human excrement) and may have practiced homosexuality as an adult. Hitler, if homosexual, was certainly not exclusively so. There are at least four women, including his own niece, with whom Hitler had sexual relationships, although these relationships were not normal. Both historians Waite and Langer suggest that his sexual encounters with women included expressions of his coprophilic perversion as well as other extremely degrading forms of masochism. It is interesting to note that all four women attempted suicide after becoming sexually involved with Hitler. Two succeeded. (Free Republic)

There is one particular reason why the Nazis arrested homosexuals and raided even the homes of their supporters. They were looking for incriminating evidence against themselves (the Nazi leaders). Blackmail of homosexuals by estranged partners and prostitutes was a simple fact of life in Germany. Attacks against the known homosexuals was not motivated solely by the Nazi enmity against effeminate homosexuals. It was an attempt to cover up the truth about rampant homosexuality and other perversions in the Nazi Party. Sklar writes that “Hitler attempted to bury all his earlier influences and his origins, and he spent a great deal of energy hiding them. Magnus Hirschfeld's Sex Research Institute was attacked and shut down. Director Hirschfield wrote: "[O]ur Institute was used by all classes of the population and members of every political party...We thus had a great many Nazis under treatment at the Institute. Why was it then, since we were completely non-party, that our purely scientific Institute was the first victim which fell to the new regime? The answer to this is simple...We knew too much. It would be against medical principles to provide a list of the Nazi leaders and their perversions [but]...not ten percent of the men who, in 1933, took the fate of Germany into their hands, were sexually normal...Many of these personages were known to us directly through consultations; we heard about others from their comrades in the party...and of others we saw the tragic results....Our knowledge of such intimate secrets regarding members of the Nazi Party and other documentary material — we possessed about forty thousand confessions and biographical letters — was the cause of the complete and utter destruction of the Institute of Sexology."

Aside from the homosexual cleansing of the SA, Hitler retained all of the other sexual deviants of his inner circle, including Goering, Streicher, Frank, Emile and Weber.

The enduring “Butch/Femme” conflict among German homosexuals clearly had a substantial bearing on the treatment of pink triangle prisoners. Plant writes of one survivor who reported that “the guards lashed out with special fury against those who showed ‘effeminate traits.’” Butch homosexuals attacked and killed effeminate homosexuals, often after using the younger men and boys

The probable reason for Hitler's attack on Christianity as well as Judaism was his perception that Christianity alone had the moral authority to stop the Nazi movement. The "faith" that some refer to that animated Hitler was not Christianity but a racist version of Social Darwinism's emphasis on survival of the fittest. And the reason Hitler could put his faith into practice is because of a powerful government apparatus; although the left hates to admit it, National Socialism was one type of socialism. Much has been made of the reported silence, and in some cases complicity, of the supposed Christian churches during the Third Reich. But few have noted the long period of “Biblical deconstruction” that preceded the rise of Nazism, and fewer still have chronicled the diabolical perversion of German religious culture by the Nazis themselves. (Biblical deconstructionism is what is happening in America) While the neo-pagans were busy attacking from without, liberal theologians undermined Biblical authority from within the Christian church. The school of so-called “higher criticism,” which began in Germany in the late 1800s, portrayed the miracles of God as myths, by implication making true believers (Jew and Christian alike) into fools. And since the Bible was no longer accepted as God's divine and inerrant guide, it could be ignored or reinterpreted. By the time the Nazis came to power, “Bible-believing” Christians (the Confessing Church), were a small minority.

Despite their disproportionate role, homosexuals did not cause the Holocaust. They, along with so many others who had lost their moral bearings, were merely instruments in its enactment. Yet, while we cannot say that homosexuals caused the Holocaust, we must not ignore their central role in Nazism. To the myth of the pink triangle -- the notion that all homosexuals in Nazi Germany were persecuted -- we must respond with the truth of the pink swastika.

(Much of this is excerpts from The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party (Founders Publishing Corporation, 1995) by Scott Lively and Kevin E. Abrams)

Do educators really know the history of the Pink triangle? No. They would never have chosen this symbol for "safety." It's no wonder that American kids are vastly undereducated, with decisions such as the use of the Pink Triangle, being made. Too much feel-good and not enough academics.

soulja

11-07-2008, 03:28 PM

good stuff hunkahunka..
heres a post i made two days after the virginia tech shooting

it's only two days since the shooting occured, many facts are not known yet. still it's already pretty obvious to me that theres something major dodgy about the whole event. a few things i've noticed so far;

- parallels to the Columbine shooting
a; suspect is a ''crazy loner'' who (convienently) kills himself after the killing spree.. :rolleyes:
b; Police responds and acts unbelievably incompetend making sure the killer has plenty of time doing what he came to do. also after the first shooting was known to the police no evacuation was arranged. they didn't even bother to use the speakers, email or otherwise WARN the many many students inside the University complex! means the students were unprepared and completely unaware that a killer was in the same area as them, ready to pick'em off, one by one.. makes for maximal casualties.
also i doubt he was the only shooter, even if the official line will stick with ''one shooter'' i say its bullshit. just as the offical only two columbine shooters line turned out to be highly questionable.

anyway, a thing i always watch out for when they pull off events like that are those little clues. see they just love to leave their signature coded in names, places, Dates and often even the number of victims. thats one reason why names and numbers are important but the main reason imo is a ritualistic one. on one level these shootings are black ops to further a legislative agenda, tougher more restrictive laws more power for law enforcement etc. all that shit. but on a deeper level this events are carefully planned massive rituals and some of these rituals happen to ''demand'' human sacrifice.

so looking at the Virginia Tech massacre the name stands out first. Virginia - a code/title/symbol for the goddess just like the
Columbine (http://www.paghat.com/columbine4.html) - (name derives from Columba wich is latin for dove a symbol for the(Goddess (http://www.bartleby.com/65/se/Semirami.html))
shooting carried the name of the Goddess.

date: April 20, 1999
victims: 12 students 1 teacher (12 +1 = 13)
if you add klebold and harris it would make 15 (555), obviously 5 has many meanings in the occult realms depending on who you speak to but for satanists 5 is the number of death. and even if its not the number of death its appearance in events is hardly a coincidence. for example it was excately 555 days between 9/11 and the OFFICIAL U.S declaration of war on Iraq.

Virginia Tech shooting - April 16, 2007
victims: 32 + the gunman = 33 (http://images.google.co.uk/images?svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=+33+degree&btnG=Search+Images)

so even when only scratching the surface, both events have a clear occult signature. also both events were/are used to try/do introduce new gun laws and tougher security measures, never mind the fear that is instilled in the population. yet again..

another thing worth a mention, both events happened in april.. infact Waco and Oklahoma also occured in april (both on the 19th) and i'm sure there more. and of course theres a reason for this. thats why its never bad to check various occult calenders imo.
http://www.watch.pair.com/calendar.html#april2000

one of the videos the Killer send with his 23 pages transcript was shown on the news today. (2:3= 6.66666666*)
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/cho/video/x1r79o_cho-seung-hui-video-message

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/Hideout/stgmegakillerspeaks251pab3.jpg

i found it odd how emotionless he acts, just reading it up not really angry or something when doing so. even tho this is supposed to be the reason why he did what he did. but no passion/fire whatsoever from his side.
also interesting he mentions Klebold and Harris in his ''suicide note''. you know the one he brought to the post office between the first shooting and the second. means he had to leave the school and be back in time to finish the job.

quiet a quick fucker he was if you ask me. maybe he should have gone for the olympics instead of a killing spree ? but then maybe there were more people involved than just him.

wich brings me to wiki acting unnecessarily suspicious when they pulled this pic from their site;
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/Hideout/190407killer.jpg
(showing him with some other dude wearing Marines uniforms)

i also just learned from wiki that he wrote two plays wich imo offer further clues;

In 2006, Cho wrote a short, profanity-laden one-act play entitled "Richard McBeef". It is about a 13-year-old boy, John, who accuses his stepfather, Richard McBeef, of molesting him and murdering his father. John repeatedly says he will kill Richard. John, Richard, and Sue, John's mother, become involved in a major argument. The play ends with Richard, who up until this point is passive, dealing John "a deadly blow".[62]

In a second play attributed to Cho, titled "Mr. Brownstone", three 17-year-olds named John, Jane, and Joe discuss their deep hatred of their 45-year-old mathematics teacher, Mr. Brownstone, who they claim mistreated them (using the phrase 'ass-rape'). Brownstone appears and, amid volleys of profanity, cheats them out of their casino winnings.[63] The title "Mr. Brownstone" is also the name of a Guns N' Roses song[64] and one page from the play consists of lyrics from the song[65]

note that both are about beeing molested, and when assraped killers run amok the CIA is mostly not far away. like in Langley Virginia - the Cia Headquarters. so beeing that close to each other it's no surprise the Cia popped in a few times to say ''hi''

From November 2005 . . .

For the second time this year, the Central Intelligence Agency will be coming to Virginia Tech to recruit students.

And for the second time this year, they will be met with protests from students who view the CIA as an immoral organization that engages in torture and murder.
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1263

on that note also suspicious behaviour from the university officials, according to alex jones they pulled their Cia links from their site.

We have been receiving numerous calls and e mails alerting us to the fact that VA Tech is pulling links from its website concerning their relationship with the CIA. Reports from November 2005 confirm that the CIA was active in operating recruitment programs based out of VA Tech. Several professors from VA Tech are involved in government programs linked with NASA and other agencies

did they perhaps ''recruit'' him ?
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/Hideout/190407cho.jpg

for obvious reasons they prefer those mentaly unstable ones for patsy work. Cho was at one point in a mental ''hospital'' by the name St. Albany
he also was on drugs, not illegal ones(as far as i know) but those ''prescription drugs''. that's the shit that really fucks you up. and yet another thing he had in common with Klebold, Harris and many more;

This post was written by marcoz on 18 April, 2007 (11:50) | All News, Breaking News

Cho Seung-Hui is the 9th School Shooter Under Influence of Psychiatric Drugs — Documented to Cause Homicidal Ideation, Suicide, Psychosis, Mania and Hostility

In the wake of the shooting rampage at Virginia Tech by gunman Cho Seung-Hui, state legislators, civic and human rights activists are asking why Congress has failed to investigate the link between psychiatric drugs and school violence, given the high rate of psychiatric drug use by the shooters. According to breaking news from investigators at Virginia Tech, Cho may have taken depression drugs—documented by the Food and Drug Administration to cause suicidal behavior, mania, psychosis, hallucinations, hostility and “homicidal ideation.” Cho Seung-Hui psychiatric drug use is confirmed, it brings the total to 61 killed and 77 wounded by psychiatric drug-induced school shootings.

hunkahunka

11-07-2008, 05:51 PM

Soulja, its such a pleasure tag-teaming with you.

I want to ask you to have a close look at the symbology in this and see what you think:

http://www.coopstuff.com/Ruth/COOP/pinball/wizard.jpg

note the woman that Tommy clutches has a restraining device attached to her ankle, with her left hand she is releasing a white feather. There seems to be some sort of green snake at Tommy's waste line.
Notice to her left is a female figure emerging from
a hole labeled 'evil' , saying "free at last!" Both women behind have harem-type outfits on, and some type of masonic-order looking jacket that says e 'memento mori'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento_mori
Memento mori is a Latin phrase that may be translated as "Remember that you are mortal," "Remember you will die," "Remember that you must die," or "Remember your death". It names a genre of artistic creations that vary widely from one another, but which all share the same purpose, which is to remind people of their own mortality.

Note too that the rest of the setting has been reduced to a burning ruin by what appears to be Allied carpet bombing.

hunkahunka

11-07-2008, 08:41 PM

..
Despite the vast number of eyewitnesses - most of them bearing physical evidence of abuse - and despite the fact that the judge who presided over more than a year of pre-trial testimony ruled that the state had more than enough evidence to proceed to trial, District Attorney Ira Reiner inexplicably dropped all charges against five of the seven McMartin defendants on January 17, 1986. Six days before that, he had summarily dismissed two prosecutors on the case.

excellent article by Dave McGowan, thanks for posting that.
He mentions this man Ira Reiner, DA who dropped all the charges. This name Reiner reminded me of this guy in Long Island, New York, Michael Reiner: the guy was a teacher
at a school for gifted children, who was into sexual cannibalism fantasies and kiddie porn:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2006...ish_for_s.html
L.I. teacher in kid-porn bust . 'Fetish for slavery, cannibalism'

Thursday, September 28th 2006, 12:00 AM

A TEACHER AT a Long Island school for the gifted who was busted on kiddie porn charges told authorities he has "a fetish for young boys, slavery and cannibalism." "I like kids. They're fun," Michael Reiner, 46, told Canadian border agents, according to a complaint unsealed yesterday. "I say I'm going to eat them, but I'm only joking. The kids always laugh." But authorities don't think there's anything funny about the child pornography allegedly found on Reiner's home computer or the 1,000 images of scantily clad young boys on his laptop. Then there's his Web site, which invites boys to join his "slave" camp and asks how they feel "about the prospect of being eaten," authorities said. The Web site contains a disclaimer that it's fictional, and Reiner said he doesn't practice cannibalism. Reiner, a teacher for 18 years at the private Long Island School for the Gifted in Huntington Station, came to the attention of investigators last month when Canadian officers at the border in Ontario examined his laptop and discovered the photos of boys. He also showed the officers his Web site, which Reiner explained "was intended to be accessed by people who shared his interest in young boys, slavery and cannibalism," according to the complaint unsealed yesterday in Central Islip Federal Court. Reiner was allowed to enter Canada and return to the U.S. because the laptop photos were not illegal, but he was questioned by U.S. Homeland Security Department agents on his way back in. Reiner consented to a search of his East Meadow home, where agents seized dozens of sexually explicit photos and video clips of children, authorities said. Reiner was ordered held without bail by Magistrate Kathleen Tomlinson. The School for the Gifted enrolls nearly 300 children in grades kindergarten through 9. School lawyer Linda Caputo-Friedman said Reiner had been fired. jmarzulli@nydailynews.com

related video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJW0eqOXoTo

mrguitarbear

11-07-2008, 09:29 PM

Keep it up you guys , this stuff is a revelation !

kallista

11-07-2008, 10:19 PM

Soulja, its such a pleasure tag-teaming with you.

I want to ask you to have a close look at the symbology in this and see what you think:

http://www.coopstuff.com/Ruth/COOP/pinball/wizard.jpg

note the woman that Tommy clutches has a restraining device attached to her ankle, with her left hand she is releasing a white feather. There seems to be some sort of green snake at Tommy's waste line.
Notice to her left is a female figure emerging from
a hole labeled 'evil' , saying "free at last!" Both women behind have harem-type outfits on, and some type of masonic-order looking jacket that says e 'memento mori'

Note too that the rest of the setting has been reduced to a burning ruin by what appears to be Allied carpet bombing.

Between them they are making the sign of baphomet. 'As above so below'

monkey

12-07-2008, 01:34 AM

The nazis didn't 'persecute' all gays. A lot of them were gay.

The NAZI'S were TOTALLY gay. If you asked sigfried and roy to write an opera about ceaser's roman empire, it would look just like the german nazi party. It is well documented that homosexual abuse is a big part of the mind control techniques used by monarch and mkultra. They take poor, vunerable boys, 'turn' them and install corrupt morals so they can use them for muder, psy ops , ect. I believe that George bush has been homosexually abused, (he did go to yale, skull and bones)

below is a link regarding boy george bush and homosexual allegations _ "In 1984 I watched George W. Bush enthusiastically and expertly perform a homosexual act on another man, one Victor Ashe," said McConnell.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/240907_homosexual_allegations.htm

Very interesting video interview with KAY GRIGGS , wife of US navy general
george griggs, she explains how homosexual nazi's have infiltrated and overtaken the military, it's pretty obvious when you think about it

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-953256937736305751

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5061033793024014479

The full 4 hours or so of her interview

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-341031042963487862

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=9137016279925999679

More about boy george bush and homosexual prostitute/neo-con media shill JEFF GANNON (Johnny gosch)

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2005/090405gannonstories.htm

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=7793.0

http://www.infowars.net/articles/march2007/090307pornstar.htm

John De Camp who investigated the Franklin financial scandal and then the pedophile ring he uncovered said on Alex Jones show that he had become one of the closest freinds of abducted child Johnny gosch's mother thru the investigation. On the same radio show he said he was 97.5 % certain that this man Guckert/Gannon was in fact Johnny gosch.

more gannon/gosch links

http://www.johnnygosch.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon#Controversy

http://jeffgannon.com

krakhead

12-07-2008, 01:57 AM

Justin timberlake was most likely buggered from an early age in the mickey mouse club. He looks very gay, styled, is a very good dancer too which is a giveaway.

So many issues with your post, but I thought I'd highlight the one I considered to be the most uninformed, stereotyping, bigoted, nonsensical one!

You haven't been posting here long and all you appear to have posted are hate filled homophobic comments. (yes, I said homophobic!)

Take it to your local Klan party............

deafbred

12-07-2008, 02:21 AM

my name is tom. Im not sure totaly what you guys are talking about... I am reading the posts...and catching up... - ...I know that song pinball wizard...makes me think of how I try n connect the dots of light and observe my concious reflection on the truth of the moment.(when I play guitar) the big picture. ...hmm..I better keep reading..maybe I'l have some 'revelations' of my own. thanks for the info.

deafbred

12-07-2008, 06:40 AM

hmm

soulja

12-07-2008, 02:55 PM

i'm unsure as to what the overall message is in the wizard pic you posted but theres no doubt it's loaded with symbolism.

most things you pointed out already, one thing i'd add is the woman in blue seems to be tommy's slave - she's chained to a ball with tommy written on it. he's pointing down to it.
5 pentagrams can be seen on the ball, all distorted to indicate the negative (satanic).

someone already pointed out the baphomet pose, i think that's right, tommy's snake adds to that btw, also it seems like the snake is in an attacking mode, open mouth and all, looks like she's one sec away from moving at her target. wich seems to be the crutch of the woman in blue.

evil and love is also interesting, while love seems to be in a slumber (closed eyes , gentle movement) evil is very awake and doing some magic (?) also half way out of the hole wich could explain the free at last statement.

the memento mori could be a trigger/reminder for Mk slaves who get constantly reminded that their time is running out.
that's also often symbolized by an hourglass.

hunkahunka

12-07-2008, 03:36 PM

Video: Monarch Chapter 5C: False Memory Syndrome Foundation and Satanic Ritual Abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fWuV1RKgl8&eurl=http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=mcmartin+preschool&hl=en&sitesearch=

The False Memory Syndrome Foundation was created and staffed by CIA psychiatrists such as Dr. Martin T. Orne, a founding member of the FMSF and a CIA funded researcher into experimental psychiatry at the Univ. of Penn. Ralph Underwager is the world authority on FMS, and has claimed that most women molested as children said the experience was good for them. The executive directors of the FMSF are Paul and Shirley Eberlie, who ran the tabloid FINGER in the 1970's which delved into S&M, child/adult sex, and sex acts involving excrement. Their daughter has accused them of abusing her as a child. The FMSF was set up as a cover for CIA sponsored mind control experiments outside of the laboratory. It is staffed and led by pedophiles and CIA psychiatrists to discredit victims of SRA as they come forward. The author of much of this material is Alex Constantine. I acknowledge his heroic work and though he is not associated with this production, has inspired me, and it is from him I draw much of the research. Please read his books. The books with supporting info are free at myspace.com/marsboy683 (blog)
Buy the books/DVDs at customflix, amazon, theconnextion, lulu.com See the links at MonarchNewPhoenix.org /com see myspace.com/marsboy683 (blog)

please see my 2 doc films on my channel or 3 books free at www.MonarchNewPhoenix.com (http://www.MonarchNewPhoenix.com) http://monarchnewphoenix.blogspot.com/

soulja

12-07-2008, 07:41 PM

hunkahunka posted a pic of Madonnas ''hard candy'' in rainbow colours.

candy is another trigger/code in MK (also referring to sexual programing)

http://www.pandora.ca/pictures3/682046.jpg
One of the first documented cases of a MONARCH secret agent was that of the voluptuous 1940’s model, Candy Jones. The book, The Control of Candy Jones, (Playboy Press) portrays her 12 years of intrigue and suspense as a spy for the CIA. Jones, whose birth name is Jessica Wilcox, apparently fit the physiological profile as to be one of the initial experiments or human guinea pigs under the government’s "scientific" project, MKULTRA.

she was a presidental model means she had beta (sexual) programing done to her.
something she has in common with the following examples, all having sexual ''undertones''.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/50-cent-candy-shop-cover-6069.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/madonna_hard-candy-album-cover.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/hard_candy.jpg

http://tf.org/images/covers/I-Want-Candy-download.jpg
I WANT CANDY follows two hopeful lads from Leatherhead trying to break into the movies who stumble upon the opportunity of a lifetime. Frustrated by their arty film teacher (Mackenzie Crook), wannabe producer Joe (Tom Riley) and his talented but neurotic director friend Baggy (Tom Burke) head to London to sell what they know is a script made of gold.

Encountering nothing but closed doors, their luck changes when an equally desperate producer (Eddie Marsan) is willing to throw some money at them provided they nab the star he needs. There's just one problem - he wants Candy Fiveways (Carmen Electra), the World's No 1 Adult Star, who has recently taken a hiatus from filming adult movies...

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/rap/sido_singlecover1.jpg
Albumcover of a german Mcee called Sido, who's famous for wearing a skull mask, note the girl holding candy (rainbow colors btw) in her hand plus the skull kitten on the right.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/new/B0000296JD01_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
the second one is loaded, rising sun, butterfly, also she's an angel and devil at the same time (different altars) she licks her candy (candy = code for sexual programing)
she wears a collar like a dog/animal telling us she's a slave (possibly a hint for kitten programing)
she's tatooed like most slaves are. we see a heart (another symbol used alot in mk)

menses

12-07-2008, 09:15 PM

The reasons for Cobain's death have already been stated several times throughout this thread...the only question that remains is who has benefited from his death or rather who has been rewarded? Monarch Victims cannot and will not be allowed to have a life outside of their control paramaters..they are monitored 24 hrs a day 7 days a week...

Courtney Love was and still is an intelligence asset (and a Slave) and an operative...She was to Cobain what Yoko Ono (MI-6) was to Lennon....his handler and controller. Her reward for her complicity in his death was a Film career complete with Oscar nominations and favorable Acclaim from the Media...Dave Grohl who is also complicit in his Cobain's death, also went on to a fair amount of success as his band The Foo Fighters went on to sell millions of records since Cobain's death....

When you are loyal to the Order, you are rewarded. As was the case in the Kennedy Assassination, where any and everybody who helped cover up his death, was rewarded for their loyalty. This is precisely the reason Woody Harrelson was allowed to become a Hollywood star, as his father Charles Harrelson (a Hitman for the MOB) was in fact one of the shooters on the Grassy Knoll and was arrested along with E Howard Hunt on that day back in 63...

Cobain's best friend and fellow Monarch Victim , River Phoenix died in Johnny Depp's club, The Viper Room. Should we be then surprised to discover that Phoenix in his role as a Young Indian Jones, finds himself trapped in a pit of Vipers...or that Johnny Depp went on to a very successful film career....?

Coincidence? Not Bloody Likely...

lightworks

12-07-2008, 09:52 PM

watch this movie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_Suspicion_(2000_film)
and see how blatant paedophilia is rampant....the monarch programming language...what I call reptilian backslang....that goes to and forth between morgan freemans and gene hackmans chacters...the first indiction of morgan freeman being a hollywood satanist paedohile..is when his character at the beginning of the movie...gets in the police cruiser and pauses to admire a young underage girl posing sexually in madonna type clothing..and then his charcter is going to "ivestigate the rape and murder by strangulation of two young girls"...there is a lot of reference in the movie to gene hackman and mrogan freemans charcaters going over and over the details of hnow thew young girls are murdered...."you strangled her...drssed her again...laid her down and comber her hair didnt you" says freeman....in backslang he is saluting his fellow paedo[hile...the charcter that gen hacman plays as a rich hight cosiety lawyer..who professes to enjoy having sex with young girls....

hunkahunka

13-07-2008, 03:50 AM

http://www.whitedogmusic.com/rev_aural.html

It begins in the 1960's with a then young musician named Bobby Beausoleil and his psychedelic chamber music group called The Orkustra. Avant-garde filmmaker Kenneth Anger chanced upon a performance of The Orkustra at the legendary San Francisco happening known as The Invisible Circus. Impressed more with Beausoleil's magnetic stage presence than the music itself, he asked the young musician to play the title role in his next planned film, Lucifer Rising . Beausoleil agreed, as long as his band could perform the music for the film. Throwing himself deep into the project, he ended up alienating his other band members, who left. Undaunted, Beausoleil formed a new band, The Magick Powerhouse of Oz. Unfortunately, after the first live performance of the new band, Beausoleil and Anger had a falling out. Anger moved to England, while Beausoleil drifted down to southern California, where he met a young man named Charles Manson. Although Beausoleil was only involved on the periphery of Manson's circle, he did get involved with some of the biker gangs that frequented the Spahn Ranch where Manson and his group hung out, and ended up being involved in the murder of a double-crossing drug dealer. After his arrest, and while Beausoleil awaited trial, Manson and his cult committed their now infamous helter skelter murders. Linked to Manson's group at his trial, Beausoleil was given the maximum sentence.

Found some interesting Oz references in 'black metal' art

http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/5556/frontal7cb.jpg

http://yesi-rousmery1313.nireblog.com/blogs/yesi-rousmery1313/files/45363-caratulas_mago_de_oz-gaia-frontal.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Oz_factor_cover.jpg
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Rock-n-Roll/ozzfest_2002.jpg

http://www.wikifotos.es/static2/2007/09/22/2156884.jpg

check out the Ozzy Osbourne signature collector's edition
'wank for peace' shoes:
http://www.metalshop.sk/xVP-topanky_vans_sk8_hi___ozzy_osbourne___wank_for_pea ce___blk_red
http://www.metalshop.sk/images/boty_vans_ozzy_osbourne_wank_tor_peace_blk_red_p.J PGhttp://www.metalshop.sk/images/boty_vans_ozzy_osbourne_wank_tor_peace_blk_red_p.J PG

related link:
http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=14795

monkey

13-07-2008, 07:10 AM

...thought I'd highlight...the most uninformed, stereotyping, bigoted, nonsensical one!

"Justin timberlake ...is a very good dancer too which is a giveaway"

Take it to your local Klan party............

What has ANYTHING in that post got to do with the KLU KLUX KLAN? I assume they are at their heart a homosexual nazi cult, like the motorcyle clubs.

You need to get a sense of humour (or humor if you are american).

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Courtney_Love

krakhead

13-07-2008, 12:09 PM

You need to get a sense of humour (or humor if you are american).

Definitely humour!

You can't walk into a party, insult people randomly, then go 'I was only joking'. You may well have been joking, but for jokes to work on a wider level and not become some little personal joke that only you are aware of, you have to let people in on it at some point, or at least leave clues to suggest you're joking.

As it was, if you include the larger posts you made, with the comments that went with them, you came across like a nasty little bigot.

But if I got you all wrong and had a personal sense of humour failure, I apologise. Judge your audience better next time.

soulja

13-07-2008, 01:51 PM

Dorothy kills the wicked witch of the west by a sharp blow to the forehead with the witch’s staff. This is what is done in the Illuminati, when an elderly witch is being replaced. In both cases, whether in the movie or in real life in the Illuminati, when a witch is killed the people have a ceremony. In real life in the secret world of the Illuminati, a scroll is used to certify that the witch is dead both physically and spiritually. (The movie had this in it.) Just one example of the thousands of Illuminati Grande Dames killed in ritual like this is the recent billionairess Dorris Duke, who was ritually killed in 1993 on Halloween, also called All Hallows Eve, in the Beverly Hills, CA area. The Illuminati method for killing a Grande Dame and passing her spiritual power on is done with reverence. No blood is to be spilt out of respect for the elderly woman who gives up her life willingly. At death, the last breath is inhaled by the replacement to transfer the power. There may be as many as 2,197 Grande Dames at such a coronation. The Grande Mothers (whose Systems are mistresses for Satan and hierarchy leaders) and the next rank, the Grande Dames, are often veiled in ritual and would wear robes with different colored lining. The different colors of linings show the different grades. A typical Grande Mother vestment or robe is a black satin & velvet dress with a draped neckline, and ritual symbols down the center of the robe. After someone like Dorris Duke willingly gives her (their) life, her head is served on a silver platter at a banquet. For the deeper alters of a high level slave, this is part of their way of life; they are told it is their birthright and heritage. Such alters will not be able to identify with the culture at large. To give up their programming, means giving up their magickal powers and their culture, which they have had to work hard for. To leave they would need to see something that they perceive as better. They are locked into their slavery due do to their exposure to only a secret Illuminati culture and value system. Because of their dissociation with the rest of their own System of alters, they don’t perceive a need to change their lifestyle anymore than a Bushman would be able to feel a need to wear shoes. Why should the Bushman want shoes, if he has gotten along without them? Why should a high level slave want change, when they have gotten along without it? Experience shows that during deprogramming most of the lower level alters will want to escape their abuse, but the higher level ritual alters are so separated from the abuse they don’t want to give up their status and culture.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/new/111.jpg
Madonna is dressed in black, wears the Kabbalistic Tree of Life around her neck, crown on her head..
http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/salome-john-baptist-head.jpg
Salome and John the Baptist

hunkahunka

13-07-2008, 04:26 PM

I started reading up on the billionaire heiress Doris Duke that you mentioned, and found that she had ties to Duke University (her grandfather founded it)
Duke University is located in Durham, North Carolina, so I did a search on Durham, satanism
and found this very fresh story, dated July 3, 2008 on ABC news

the vice chairwoman of the Durham County Democratic Party, Diane Palmer, has been charged in a sexual assault and kidnapping that occurred during a satanic 'Order of the Morning Star' ritual.
(victims were tied up for days)

http://www.belch.com/img/dpalmer.jpg
44 Year Old Diana Palmer.

Bizarrely, one of the others charged is Joy Johnson, the former vice chairwoman of the Durham County Democratic Party, along with her husband, 'reverend' Joseph Craig.

http://www.belch.com/img/joyjohnson.jpg

http://www.belch.com/img/joeycraig.jpg

Full story , with video:
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=5296872&page=1

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/search.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2008-07-01-0025.html

'Diana Palmer, first vice chairwoman of the Durham County Democratic Party, was jailed Wednesday afternoon on charges of being an accessory after the fact of an assault with a deadly weapon. Investigators say she removed evidence from the home of Joy Suzanne Johnson, who had been the party’s third vice chairwoman, and her husband, Joseph Scott Craig.'

http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~magdon/hobbies/squash/Blue_Devil_Program_Logo.jpg

Duke University 'Blue Devils' basketball team logo (old logo)

rixxmixxhell

13-07-2008, 04:34 PM

I am just wondering where kurt Cobain comes into all this.???

Forgive my ignorance but don't you think another thread should be created for all these 'pictures'?? Didn't synergy777 create one for cia type psyop art work?

Rick

soulja

13-07-2008, 05:11 PM

Johnson and her husband operated a new age website called ''indigo dawn''

Along with her interest in the Democratic Party, Johnson is one of the driving forces of a New Age website called "Indigo Dawn," a name which, according to the site, was given to Johnson during a meditation vision.

"She decided to explore the New Age community more, and after taking a course in Reiki healing, experiencing past-life regression along with direct guidance from her spirit guides, she confirmed that her destiny was to help bring about the New Age on Earth," Johnson's online biography states. "Joy shared her vision with her husband, Joe; as a result the Indigo Dawn was founded to raise the vibration of energy on Earth."

Among the services Johnson offers online are "intuitive guidance, past-life regression, spirit guide communication and healing and cleansing."
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...w&pageId=68469

The male victim went to live with the couple in November 2007, the female victim a month later. The documents said the incidents occurred in December 2007 and in January and May. ... The man also said he put in a dog cage for several hours. Both victims said they were beaten with a cane. ... The victims met Joy Johnson and Joseph Craig through the Web site for Indigo Dawn Inc., a business that Johnson and Craig operated
http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A260793

soulja

13-07-2008, 06:10 PM

I started reading up on the billionaire heiress Doris Duke that you mentioned, and found that she had ties to Duke University (her grandfather founded it)

i had a look around the duke university and noticed their symbol is a blue devil

http://greek.studentaffairs.duke.edu/images/archives_logo.jpg
http://greek.studentaffairs.duke.edu/history/index.html

also theres some info on the duke family
http://library.duke.edu/uarchives/history/duke_familyndx.html

and what springmeier wrote about them in one of his newsletters

The Reynold’s family is not one of the 13 primary bloodlines, but they are such a prominent Illuminati family within the 13 bloodlines that I have decided to single them out for another article on Illuminati bloodlines. Although the Reynolds are allied with many of the major Satanic bloodlines, including the Rothschild's, the Dupont's, the Rockefellers, the Graces and the Grays, they are especially close and intertwined to the Duke and Cullman families. (One example of a Duke/Reynold joint project is the Research Triangle Foundation.) It should be remembered that The Temporary National Economic Committee of Congress in 1937 which studied the super rich found that the Dukes and the Reynolds were among the top 13 wealthiest families in America. Further, my research at one place or another has shown that the Reynolds of the Illuminati variety have interacted with all of the other major Satanic bloodlines. These elite birds of a feather all flock together.

MY NEWSLETTER HAS REPEATEDLY EXPOSED MEMBERS OF THIS FAMILY

During the course of putting out this newsletter in ‘92-’95, I have had repeated opportunities to include various members of the Reynold’s bloodline in my exposes. It must always be borne in mind that a large share of each of these bloodlines are hidden behind other last names.

Within this area, my newsletter has exposed Reynold family members of the Illuminati from Astoria, Oregon (such as Scottish Rite Librarian/Mortician Reynolds) and Bend, Oregon (such as Mayor Paul Reynolds who also runs a mortuary, and his son Mark). One of the first Illuminati Monarch slaves in the Portland area to seek her freedom was Mary D. Reynolds. She was from the Mother of Darkness level. She wanted to find treatment for the programming that goes with the Mother of Darkness level, and since wanting her freedom it is anybody’s guess what happened to her.

A LOCAL OCCULT NEWSPAPER "EXCALIBUR" ADVERTISES LAMOYNE REYNOLDS
http://www.conspiracyproof.org/families13/images/excaliber_2.jpg

OVERVIEW OF FINANCIAL INTERESTS OF THE REYNOLDS

Before we get into the nitty-gritty let’s take a quick overview of the Reynold’s financial interests. Much of the family’s money has been well-hidden behind fronts, holding companies, etc. The Satanists of the Reynolds family have been involved in high level drug dealing during this century. They have also had some important and major interests in Banking, Tobacco, and Aluminum, it seems like a fair number have gotten into the mortuary/cremation business, which is a great assistance for cremation after rituals involving human sacrifice. The financial interests of the Reynolds seem to be strongest in the Middle South, and strong in both Virginia and North Carolina. The Reynold’s financial interests are so tightly woven in with the Cuilmans and Dukes that I will have to deal with all three families together. A few years ago the financial heads of the three families were as follows: Angier Biddle Duke, Richard S. Reynolds, Jr., and Joseph F. Cullman, 3rd. All were members of the Pilgrim Society.

It is possible that the family also has sonic type of secret spiritual hierarchy too. If so, it might follow along the lines of the top 13 families which have kings and princes, and princesses, etc. of their bloodlines. Richard S. Reynolds, Jr. has been a board chairman of Robertshaw Controls Company, which has a stranglehold monopoly on manufacturing car thermostats and other car parts. The big three American auto manufacturers all buy from Robertshaw Controls Company; but then since all 3 of the American auto manufacturers are Illuminati controlled, they likely don’t care that the Reynolds family has such a stranglehold on them. Cadence which own theaters and has published occult comic books like the series, "Journey into Mystery With The Mighty Thor" is also tied to the Reynolds family. Cadence promotes the occult while making money. What American doesn’t know what ‘Reynold’s wrap" is. The Reynold’s name is a well-know household name just like DuPont paints, or the Rockefeller Center, or the Waldorf Astoria are well known American items named after Illuminati families. The Reynolds family controls several Aluminum companies which form a large part of the Illuminati-controlled Aluminum cartel. The Mellon family works with the Reynolds in this Aluminum cartel, and various Illuminati families also have their hands in the management of the Aluminum industry.

The Dukes controlled Liggett & Nlyers Tobacco via their Duke Endowment, a family foundation. The Cuilmans are known for their Miller Brewing Company. The Culiman fortune was also originally derived via a tobacco company. The Duke family via underhanded tactics put together a monopoly of the tobacco industry called the American Tobacco Company. Later they merged and bought out 88 tobacco companies, and the capitalization of the company was $235 million prior to 1911. The Supreme Court made the American Tobacco Company dissolve since it had created an illegal monopoly. However, the Dukes rearranged things and kept on going. The Dukes intermarried with the Biddies who worked with the Rothschilds. The Dukes also intermarried with the Drexels, who in turn intermarried with the Harrimans and Goulds. Nicholas Biddle (1879-1923) was a trustee of the Illuminatus William Astor of the top 13 Illuminati family of Astors. Some of the Biddies intermarried with the Astors Illuminati family too! It’s a small world at the top. Researcher Ferdinand Lundberg in his book America’s 60 Families states on p. 36, "The Morgan firm and its affiliated commercial banks act, broadly, on behalf of such tremendous accumulations as those of the Vanderbilts, Goulds, Drexels, Wideners, Berwinds, Phippses, Hills, Dukes, Ryans, McCormicks, Bakers, DuPonts, Fishers, Jameses, and Others.’ Isn’t it interesting that my writings have exposed the Morgans, Vanderbilts, Goulds, Drexels, Phippses, Dukes, Bakers, DuPonts as families with members in the Illuminati?

FOUNDATIONS & CONNECTIONS

The Dukes and Reynolds use tax-free foundations as a vehicle to escape taxes and hide their wealth while maintaining their financial power. Other Illuminati families also used the foundations as a scheme to remain powerful and to resist paying taxes. The controlled press builds them up as charitable, when most of the grants by these foundations are self-serving for the benefit of the elite. Some of these foundations are the Z. Smith Reynolds Foundation (est. ’36 in North Carolina), the Kate B. Reynolds Foundation (est. ’46 in North Carolina), the Richard S. Reynolds Foundation (est. ’55 in Virginia), and the Mary Reynolds Babcock Foundation, and the Duke Endowment (address at Rockefeller Plaza, NY). All of these foundations work for the Illuminati. The Donald W. Reynolds Foundation (est. ’54 in Nevada and then moved to Arkansas) might also be connected to the elite--but I don’t know.

The Kate B. Reynolds Health Care Trust provides another example of a liaison between the Duke and Reynolds families. John A. McMahon, a Duke University grad, served as BOTH chairman of the board of trustees of Duke University and since 1971 as a member of the advisory board to the Kate B. Reynolds Health Care Trust. Here is an example of a single man working for the interests of both the Dukes and Reynolds. Edwin C. Whitehead, chairman of Technicon Corp. serves as a similar example of a man working for both Duke and Rockefeller interests. Whitehead is a trustee of both Duke University and Rockefeller University. He also has been in charge of several NWO organizations promoting a one-world, for instance he was Governor of the U.N. Association. This article will now show you the reader some of the grants that these foundations make. I ask you, "Do you see any possibility for any mischief behind these grants?! What I noticed about the Reynolds grants is that they control all the crisis centers in the North Carolina area via their money. This means any survivor of SRA calling a hot line is going to get tapped into the Illuminati’s net for catching escapees! I also noticed that all the colleges and universities got money, and a variety of different denominations incl. the Baptists, the Methodists, the Non-denominationalists, the Presbyterians, and the Ecumenicalists. What surprised me was that a number of government agencies get money from the Reynold Foundations, especially those dealing with children like Social Services, and even Police Departments get money from the Reynolds Foundations.

theres more on the dukes and others here
http://www.conspiracyproof.org/families13/reynolds.html

i just wanted to point out they are very much connected to the illuminati (part of them) and as hunkahunka pointed out a Duke set up duke university wich uses a devil as logo. just another case where the symbolism fits the research ;)

monkey

13-07-2008, 10:46 PM

Definitely humour!
You can't walk into a party, insult people randomly, then go 'I was only joking'.

Yes I can

and it is NOT a party. It is A FORUM, where people express thier OPINIONS. The chances are that someone will take offence or be insulted by any opinion that anyone has.

monkey

13-07-2008, 10:52 PM

but for jokes to work on a wider level and not become some little personal joke that only you are aware of, you have to let people in on it at some point, or at least leave clues to suggest you're joking.
.

If you don't get it , you don't get it.

I don't 'get' laurel and hardy, totally unamusing, but SOME people think it's hilarious, I know an aware , intelligent couple who are in tears of laughter at thier antics. I myself just don't get it. my loss, i suppose

Either way it is still funny to me.

krakhead

13-07-2008, 10:54 PM

Yes I can

and it is NOT a party. It is A FORUM, where people express thier OPINIONS. The chances are that someone will take offence or be insulted by any opinion that anyone has.

So you're one of those spoilt little brat types who doesn't get invited to many parties then? ;)

I am just wondering where kurt Cobain comes into all this.???

Forgive my ignorance but don't you think another thread should be created for all these 'pictures'?? Didn't synergy777 create one for cia type psyop art work?

Rick

And these are the some of the same people who had a go at me for wanting to discuss which celebrities weren't brainwashed - I was told to go and start my own thread.

Looks like they can't stick to their own rules!! :rolleyes:

rixxmixxhell

14-07-2008, 12:31 AM

So you're one of those spoilt little brat types who doesn't get invited to many parties then? ;)

And these are the some of the same people who had a go at me for wanting to discuss which celebrities weren't brainwashed - I was told to go and start my own thread.

Looks like they can't stick to their own rules!! :rolleyes:

? I don't follow...and no im not fucking around. I still can't see where all that is going with Kurt Cobain, not that i give a crap about him, i ask a pretty easy question to answer?

hunkahunka

14-07-2008, 06:06 AM

I found a post about Cathy O'Brien to be quite revealing in relation to something that I noted about 'My Own Private Idaho'.
She mentions a plan by the Illuminati to use their advanced technology to fool the world into thinking that earth has come into contact/communication with extraterrestrial 'gods' visiting the earth, so that they will be awed into total submission to the 'gods' , who are really just Illuminati who have concealed advanced technology for decades until ready to unveil it.

there is something similar in a scene in My Own Private Idaho, in a clip which I am posting here.

You will see in this following scene, Mike with his handler Scott and a gay German Illuminati type who is ostensibly paying Mike for sex (and whatever other uses they have for him)
It is an odd scene , in which you see the mind-controlled Mike being slowly hypnotized with light, dancing, and music, and his handler Scott trying to break the spell by laughing and then hooting and then finally jumping up and turning off the music when he notices that Mike is going into a trance.

Scott jumps up as soon as he starts singing about 'being in space'.
So the German guy is essentially hypnotizing Mike into a trance and posing as a space alien.
here is the clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upjIW-cxT8Y&feature=related
In another part, at the very end of this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LJs2osoQbQ&feature=relatedyou see Mike watching an episode of the Simpsons at a repeat customer's house , and the Simpsons episode happens to feature an alien abduction scene, right before Scott passes out as he is
being undressed by the customer.

So there are two references to alien abduction in this film.
Both of them happen to occur while Mike is in the hotel room of a gay client, and just prior to Mike's being seduced and passing out.

This film is, in my opinion, a detailed look at the machinations of the wealthy Illuminati/CIA subculture of prostitution, homosexuality, mind control, organized crime, etc.
For some reason, Gus Van Sant makes such a detailed portrait of it.

Clues that Mike is multiple-personality are throughout the film.
Twice at different times in the film he finds himself stranded on the same highway road, and both times he says that he remembers walking on the same and certain road, at some time in the past, but cannot remember the rest.
All he remembers is the road, and that he has been on the same road before.
In one scene a friend of Scott's and Mike's addresses Mike as 'Mikey the Dyke' as though he knows him, and Mike just looks blank as though he has never seen the person before.
Then the friend tries to remind Mike of who he is, by asking him if 'he had gotten into that Sinead O'Connor concert' the night before.
(the implication is that Mike has been with this friend the night before and tried to get into a rock concert) Mike looks blank and says he has never been to a concert in his life.

also there is talk of a mind-blowing conspiracy to profit on the death of musicians in revealing that music industry titan David Geffen signed both John Lennon and Kurt Cobain to his label just prior to their deaths and reaped millions
in profits on the subsequent publicity that both records enjoyed.
Courtney Love signed with Geffen

River Phoenix was known to have been raised in a 'hippy commune'
the Children of God, and check this information on Courtney Love:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtney_Love
Early life

Courtney Michelle Harrison was born in San Francisco, California to a family of Irish and Jewish descent[3] . Love's biological family broke apart rapidly while she was still very young. During a child custody case following Love's parents' divorce, both her mother and one of her girlfriends presented letters to the court implying her father had given the child, then three years old, LSD.[4] Harrison denies this allegation[5] and has passed polygraph tests; however, these allegations led to full custody being awarded to Love's mother.

Love then spent a troubled childhood with her mother as she wandered through three husbands and as many hippie communes in Oregon, and various schools including a boarding school in Nelson, New ZealandSo here we have quite the circle forming with River Phoenix and Courtney Love
both being raised by hippie communes. It is established that the Beatnik and
Hippy movements were outgrowths of the CIA.
Now we have Gus Van Sant doing his next film about the CIA's creation
of LSD hippy cults. (Electric Koolaid Acid Test due out in 2009)

Then we have CIA LSD/hippy cult the Manson Family doing the killing of Sharon Tate while inspired by the music of John Lennon, and suspected Manchurian candidate David Chapman
killing Lennon outside the Dakota,
and some speculation that hippy-cult-raised LSD child Courtney Love may have killed Cobain.

Both of the murders (Lennon and Cobain) enriching widows who were themselves BOTH talentless, heroin-using aspiring musicians (Yoko Ono and Courtney Love) and enriching of course, DAvid Geffen himself.
interesting too that Cobain secretly collaborated with Courtney Love for her second record 'Live Through This', (writing much of the music and doing some background vocals) , which was released just four days after Cobain's
death and went double platinum on the publicity of Cobain's death.

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/religionnaire/artistes/80s/art/double_fantasy.jpg

So, just like John and Yoko collaborated together on an album (Double Fantasy) which made Lennon's widow Yoko Ono famous right after Lennon's death, Kurt and Courtney collaborated on 'Live Through This', which made Cobain's widow Courtney Love famous right after Cobain's death.

http://homepage.mac.com/prodriguez/artwork/hole/live_through_this.jpg

soulja

14-07-2008, 10:55 AM

nice post hunkahunka! i think geffen was also one of the guys that started dreamworks. not sure tho..

? I don't follow...and no im not fucking around. I still can't see where all that is going with Kurt Cobain, not that i give a crap about him, i ask a pretty easy question to answer?

yea we got carried away a bit but then there isnt much more to say about the death of cobain. it's all in the thread already like menses said on the last page. (also in the bigger picture it all ties together so it's not as off topic as it might seems to some, imo)

cobain was a monarch and so is courtney, it all kinda started with the over the rainbow cover so we showed some other examples of the oz theme being used in art, music scene and so on. hunkahunka posted his findings i posted mine they were kinda complementing each other. it was going with the flow kinda research and i really enjoyed tag teaming with him.

basicly this thread widened up ''a bit'' cobain was the starting point and now it's generally about MK but like hunkahunka's last post showed cobain comes up again every now and then.

and some people seem to get it as the comments/additions of ES, guitarbear and monkey have shown. yea and menses anyway, noone knows more about MK and the musicscene on this board as him. but even if noone could follow it for me personal it still was worth it as i have learned quiet a few things from the info contained in hunkas posts. also menses post when he brought groh's involvement up wich i didn't knew before.

rixxmixxhell

14-07-2008, 11:37 AM

Yeah theres alot to go through! - i always wondered about grohl.

And the bassist? Was he too??

Remember he started a band after nirvana called, errrrr...damn it's gone from my mind can't remember. You know? (with a oriental girl i thinks)

Rick

hunkahunka

14-07-2008, 01:12 PM

she wears a collar like a dog/animal telling us she's a slave

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I found this rare picture of Kurt Cobain in dog collar and nail polish

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Cobain in dress and eye liner

interesting, identical pose of Kurt Cobain snapped in Seattle,
which later (?) appears in 'My Own Private Idaho', in the scene
in which 'Scott' (Keanu Reeves) appears at his father's
office wearing an open jean jacket and a black leather dog collar :
http://vtunnel.com/index.php/1010110A/3881b168403bbafeca816d476dfff5184e6d485e93ff9cdb2d 989520403c0e0132e82976fc8f15142b72de124d88ddb3fef4 6256d916170

(I cannot find a date for the Cobain photo, only that it was taken in Seattle.
I hope someone can put a date to this photo.
This would be really interesting if it comes out that the Cobain
photo was taken before the film 'My Own Private Idaho' was made.)

Re: My Own Private Idaho being based on the addicted, narcoleptic Kurt Cobain, I found this interesting
information on the writing and making of the film. In the original screenplay by Gus Van San, the script and part for the
main character Mike (played by River Phoenix) was written originally as the character being a heroin using, narcoleptic street kid with dreams of making it big as a rock star.

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Mike Parker
The kid that recounts the rape tale is a real 'street kid' ( his real name is Mike Parker) who was originally going to play River Phoenix's character 'Mike Waters'. Keanu Reeves character was initially also to be played by a real hustler and friend of Gus Van Sants', named Scott. Van Sant wanted Reeves and Phoenix and sent them scripts directly, as he knew that their managing agents wouldn't put them through due to the gay content, and both actors said 'yes' (obviously) so the original choices, Scott and Mike Parker, were demoted to 'street kid' roles.http://vtunnel.com/index.php/1010110A/3881b168403bbafec99a381b61f7fd124a7c485889e9c6d12c 9294224a2b104476b56963f0a30c1a297b897a45c08af7a6aa 7a4fc84b938feb6e6b003288bd135905f6d43a3ed4bf8af8f4 d516170
Just to clarify also, the parts were not written based on the real hustlers lives. Van Sant gave the characters the same first name of the boys who were originally to play them.

interesting related video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy-PVzfbyuk
Mike parker (the guy who recounts the rape story) speaks a little about this in a documentary called 'This Road will never End'.

Part I of that documentary is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO3abs0X-Mo

hunkahunka

14-07-2008, 01:22 PM

Another possible reason Cobain can be connected with satanic ritual abuse and mind
control is this:

Cobain “decorated” his apartment as he explained, “with baby dolls hanging by their necks with blood all over them” (Ibid. p. 54). Rolling Stone would further report that “Cobain made a satanic-looking doll and hung it from a noose in his window” (Rolling Stone, Inside the Heart & Mind of Nirvana, by Michael Azzerad, April 16, 1992)
It is known that part of the satanic ritual abuse, possibly associated with MKUltra/Monarch, is the use of dolls in the conditioning of little children. Child survivors of SRA have testified that they were made to stab dolls. This is similar to the way police/soldiers/children are trained to kill via targets and video games. The repetitive conditioning 'simulates' killing until it becomes reflexive.

A lot of occult settings involve dehumanizing techniques including the use of masks to reduce participants to dolls/inanimate objects.

Anton Levay was known for his collection of life-sized dolls. Denis RAder , the BTK killer used
both masks and dolls in his bondage/murder fantasies. Rader had a doll collection.

Anyone who doubts that the CIA could own record companies, video channels, etc.
should watch this whole video on CIA control of the media: expert intelligence attorney testifies under oath on CIA disinformation, including information that as far backs as the 1970's the CIA owned at least 250 major media outlets including newspapers, publishing houses, radio and television stations, production houses etc.

HEre is part 1 of 8 parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0&feature=related
About this video:

William Schaap gives expert, informed testimony on the US Government's use of the media to disseminate disinformation via the FBI and CIA.

William Schaap. Attorney. Graduated from the University of Chicago Law School in 1964. Has been a practicing lawyer since then. A member of the bar of the State of New York and of the District of Columbia. Specialized in the 1970's in military law. Practiced military law in Asia and Europe. later became the editor in chief of the Military Law Reporter in Washington for a number of years. In the 70's and 80's he was a staff counsel of the Center for Constitutional Rights in New York City. In the late 1980's was an adjunct professor at John J. College of Criminal Justice of the City University of New York where he taught courses on propaganda and disinformation.
Since 1977 or '78, in addition to being a practicing lawyer, was a journalist and a publisher and a writer specializing in intelligence-related matters and particularly their relationship to the media. For more than 20 years he has been the co-publisher of a magazine called the Covert Action Quarterly which particularly deals with reporting on intelligence agencies, primarily U.S. agencies but also foreign.
He published a magazine for a number of years called Lies Of Our Times which specifically was a magazine about propaganda and disinformation. Also he has been the managing director of the Institute for Media Analysis for a number of years. For about 20 years he was one of the principals in a publishing company called Sheraton Square Press that published books and pamphlets relating to intelligence and the media.
He has written dozens of articles on -- particularly on media and intelligence and edited about seven or eight books on the subject. He has contributed sections to a number of other books and has had many of his articles, appear in other publications around the world including New York Times, Washington Post and major media outletstranscript:

http://www.thekingcenter.org/news/trial/Volume9.html

soulja

14-07-2008, 01:52 PM

A note should be made that the American intelligence agencies tattooed some of their slaves with blue Monarch butterflies, bluebirds, or roses for identification purposes. The bluebird relates to the CIA project name Project Bluebird. Some satanic cults tatoo the “sign of the great Beast” on the heads of victims. They also place scars with occult designs on their victims. The Illuminati slaves, who are hierarchy members of the Illuminati, are not tattooed, although a hard-to-see scar consisting of dots in a triangle on the third eye is done to some members. The prohibition against marking up one’s body is not consistently enforced in the Illuminati--it seems this standard is enforced more with the women than the male Illuminati members. CIA slaves have received the Butterfly tatoos from the age of about 11 on up.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/drewbelly1ax.jpg
Drew Barrymore's belly

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/paris-hilton-butterfly-tattoo.jpg
Paris Hilton

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/lena-headey_18.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/lenaheadlytattoos.jpg
Lena Heady (flowers are often used to symbolize involvement in druidism and witchcraft, also a bloodline reference)

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/jesposito29jan06a.jpg
Jennifer Esposito

Eve
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/Hideout/C55920Eve-Posters.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/12_tattoos_eve.jpg

from some adult site
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/12-1.jpg

soulja

14-07-2008, 01:53 PM

fairy's (e.g tinker bell) and wings are also a recurring theme;

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/03_tattoos_pink.jpg
Pink

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/bspears2.jpg
Britney (btw tats on the neck are another MK reference, like barcode etc..)

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/nrichie.jpg
Nicole Richie

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/09_tattoos_kellyosbourne.jpg
Kelly Osbourne (also note the anchor wich is a symbol used by the Knights Templar, also a symbol used in MK programing scripts)

http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/OldiesButGoldies/celebrity%20tattoos/ambertamblyn.jpg
Amber Rose Tamblyn (rose code for bloodline)

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/pamelaanderson5.jpg
probably one of the most popular motives used on slaves is the barb wire style tattoo around the arm (indicating bondage, being imprisoned, not free)

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/nlachey.jpg

Nato style star another popular one
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/Aarontatt5.jpg
Aaron Carter

and Tila Tequila
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/3364/tilatequilam04to4.jpg
Tila Nguyen (legal name: Thien Thanh Thi Nguyen[1], born October 24, 1981), better known by her stage name Tila Tequila, is an American model, entertainer, and singer residing in West Hollywood, California. She is known for her appearances in Stuff, Maxim, Time, Penthouse, her role as host of the Fuse TV show Pants-Off Dance-Off and her position as the most popular artist on MySpace (according to page views) as of April 2006.[2] She was raised in Houston, Texas. Her MTV show A Shot at Love with Tila Tequila premiered on October 9, 2007.

hunkahunka

14-07-2008, 03:46 PM

Here is some background information partially explaining how the CIA created the radical feminist lesbian movement:

Gloria Steinem: How the CIA Used Feminism to Destabilize Society

By Henry Makow Ph.D. | March 18, 2002

"In the 1960's, the elite media invented second-wave feminism as part of the elite agenda to dismantle civilization and create a New World Order."

Since writing these words last week, I have discovered that before she became a feminist leader, Gloria Steinem worked for the CIA spying on Marxist students in Europe and disrupting their meetings. She became a media darling due to her CIA connections. MS Magazine, which she edited for many years was indirectly funded by the CIA.

Steinem has tried to suppress this information, unearthed in the 1970's by a radical feminist group called "Red Stockings." In 1979, Steinem and her powerful CIA-connected friends, Katharine Graham of the Washington Post and Ford Foundation President Franklin Thomas prevented Random House from publishing it in "Feminist Revolution." Nevertheless the story appeared in the "Village Voice" on May 21, 1979.

Steinem has always pretended that she had been a student radical. "When I was in college, it was the McCarthy era," she told Susan Mitchell in 1997, "and that made me a Marxist." (Icons, Saints and Divas: Intimate Conversations with Women who Changed the World 1997. p 130) Her bio-blurb in June 1973 MS. Magazine states: "Gloria Steinem has been a freelance writer all her professional life. Ms magazine is her first full-time salaried job."

Not true. Raised in an impoverished, dysfunctional family in Toledo Ohio, Steinem somehow managed to attend elite Smith College, Betty Friedan's alma mater. After graduating in 1955, Steinem received a "Chester Bowles Student Fellowship" to study in India. Curiously, an Internet search reveals that this fellowship has no existence apart from Gloria Steinem. No one else has received it.

In 1958, Steinem was recruited by CIA's Cord Meyers to direct an "informal group of activists" called the "Independent Research Service." This was part of Meyer's "Congress for Cultural Freedom," which created magazines like "Encounter" and "Partisan Review" to promote a left-liberal chic to oppose Marxism. Steinem, attended Communist-sponsored youth festivals in Europe, published a newspaper, reported on other participants, and helped to provoke riots.

One of Steinem's CIA colleagues was Clay Felker. In the early 1960's, he became an editor at Esquire and published articles by Steinem which established her as a leading voice for women's lib. In 1968, as publisher of New York Magazine, he hired her as a contributing editor, and then editor of Ms. Magazine in 1971. Warner Communications put up almost all the money although it only took 25% of the stock. Ms. Magazine's first publisher was Elizabeth Forsling Harris, a CIA-connected PR executive who planned John Kennedy's Dallas motorcade route. Despite its anti establishment image, MS magazine attracted advertising from the cream of corporate America. It published ads for ITT at the same time as women political prisoners in Chile were being tortured by Pinochet, after a coup inspired by the US conglomerate and the CIA.

Steinem's personal relationships also belie her anti establishment pretensions. She had a nine-year relationship with Stanley Pottinger, a Nixon-Ford assistant attorney general, credited with stalling FBI investigations into the assassinations of Martin Luther King, and the ex-Chilean Foreign Minister Orlando Latelier. In the 1980's, she dated Henry Kissinger. For more details, see San Francisco researcher Dave Emory.

Our main misconception about the CIA is that it serves US interests. In fact, it has always been the instrument of a dynastic international banking and oil elite (Rothschild, Rockefeller, Morgan) coordinated by the Royal Institute for Internal Affairs in London and their US branch, the Council for Foreign Relations. It was established and peopled by blue bloods from the New York banking establishment and graduates of Yale University's secret pagan "Skull and Bones" society. Our current President, his father and grandfather fit this profile.

The agenda of this international cabal is to degrade the institutions and values of the United States in order to integrate it into a global state that it will direct through the United Nations. In its 1947 Founding Charter, the CIA is prohibited from engaging in domestic activities. However this has never stopped it from waging a psychological war on the American people. The domestic counterpart of the "Congress for Cultural Freedom" was the "American Committee for Cultural Freedom." Using foundations as conduits, the CIA controlled intellectual discourse in the 1950's and 1960's, and I believe continues to do so today. In "The Cultural Cold War," Francis Stonor Saunders estimates that a thousand books were produced under the imprint of a variety of commercial and university presses, with covert subsidies.

The CIA's "Project Mockingbird" involved the direct infiltration of the corporate media, a process that often included direct takeover of major news outlets. "By the early 1950's," writes Deborah Davis, in her book "Katherine the Great," the CIA owned respected members of the New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communication vehicles, plus stringers, four to six hundred in all." In 1982 the CIA admitted that reporters on the CIA payroll have acted as case officers to agents in the field. Philip Graham, publisher of the Washington Post, who ran the operation until his "suicide" in 1963, boasted that "you could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple of hundred dollars a month."

I was born in 1949. Idealists in my parent's generation were disillusioned when the Communist dream of universal brotherhood turned out to be a shill for a brutal despotism. My own generation may discover that our best instincts have also been manipulated and exploited. There is evidence that the 60's drug counter culture, the civil rights movement, and anti-war movement, like feminism, were CIA directed. For example, the CIA has admitted setting up the (National Student Association as a front in 1947 http://www.cia-on-campus.org/nsa/nsa2.html). In the early 1950's the NSA opposed the attempts of the House Un American Activities Committee to root out Communist spies. According to Phil Agee Jr., NSA officers participated in the activities of SNCC, the militant civil rights group, and Students for a Democratic Society, a radical peace group.

According to Mark Riebling, the CIA also may have used Timothy Leary. Certainly the agency distributed LSD to Leary and other opinion makers in the 1960s. Leary made a generation of Americans turn away from active participation in society and seek fulfillment "within." In another example of the CIA's use of drugs to interfere in domestic politics, Gary Webb describes how in the 1980's, the CIA flooded Black ghettos with cocaine.

I won't attempt to analyze the CIA's motivation except to suggest what they have in common: They demoralized, alienated and divided Americans. The elite operates by fostering division and conflict in the world. Thus, we don't realize who the real enemy is. For the same reason, the CIA and elite foundations also fund the diversity and multicultural movements.

Feminism has done the most damage. There is no more fundamental yet delicate relationship in society than male and female. On it depends the family, the red blood cell of society. Nobody with the interests of society at heart would try to divide men and women. Yet the lie that men have exploited women has become the official orthodoxy.

Man loves woman. His first instinct is to nurture ("husband") and see her thrive. When a woman is happy, she is beautiful. Sure, some men are abusive. But the vast majority have supported and guided their families for millennium.

Feminists relentlessly advance the idea that our inherent male and female characteristics, crucial to our development as human beings, are mere "stereotypes." This is a vicious calumny on all heterosexuals, 95% of the population. Talk about hate! Yet it is taught to children in elementary schools! It is echoed in the media. Lesbians like Rosie O'Donnell are advanced as role models.

All of this is calculated to create personal confusion and sow chaos among heterosexuals. As a result, millions of American males are emasculated and divorced from their relationship to family (the world and the future.) The American woman has been hoodwinked into investing herself in a mundane career instead of the timeless love of her husband and children. Many women have become temperamentally unfit to be wives and mothers. People, who are isolated and alone, stunted and love-starved, are easy to fool and manipulate. Without the healthy influence of two loving parents, so are their children.

Feminism is a grotesque fraud perpetrated on society by its governing elite. It is designed to weaken the American social and cultural fabric in order to introduce a friendly fascist New World Order. Its advocates are sanctimonious charlatans who have grown rich and powerful from it. They include a whole class of liars and moral cripples who work for the elite in various capacities: government, education and the media. These imposters ought to be exposed and ridiculed.

Women's oppression is a lie. Sex roles were never as rigid as feminists would have us believe. My mother had a successful business in the 1950's importing watchstraps from Switzerland. When my father's income increased, she was content to quit and concentrate on the children. Women were free to pursue careers if they wanted to. The difference was that their role as wife and mother was understood, and socially validated, as it should be.

Until Gloria Steinem and the CIA came along.

hunkahunka

14-07-2008, 03:47 PM

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Gloria Steinem once worked as a Playboy Bunny waitress. (another MK 'project' of the Illuminati?)

Feminist university professor exposes radical feminist lies

The New Mythology

by Christina Hoff Sommers

Christina Hoff Sommers
Professor Sommers teaches philosophy at Clark University. This article is
adapted from her book Who Stole Feminism? . Reprinted by
permission of Simon and Schuster.

Figuring Out Feminism
150,000 girls die of anorexia each year;
40% more women are battered on Super Bowl Sunday;
Women get paid 59 cents on the dollar;
When feminists quote statistics, reach for your common sense.

IN Revolution from Within, Gloria Steinem informs her readers that "in this
country alone...about 150,000 females die of anorexia each year." That is
more than three times the number of annual fatalities from car accidents
for the total population. Miss Steinem refers readers to Naomi Wolf's The
Beauty Myth, where one again finds the statistic, along with the author's
outrage. "How," she asks, "would America react to the mass self-immolation
by hunger of its favorite sons.?" Although nothing justifies comparison
with the Holocaust," she cannot refrain from making one anyway. "When
confronted with a vast number of emaciated bodies starved not by nature but
by men, one must notice a certain resemblance."

Where did Miss Wolf get her figures? Her source is Fasting Girls: The
Emergence of Anorexia Nervosa as a Modern Disease by Joan Brumberg, a
historian and former director of women's studies at Cornell University.
She, too, is fully aware of the political significance of the startling
statistic. She point out that the women who study eating problems "seek to
demonstrate that these disorders are an inevitable consequence of a
misogynistic society that demeans women...by objectifying their bodies."
Professor Brumberg, in turn, attributes the figure to the American Anorexia
and Bulimia Association.

I called the American Anorexia and Bulimia Association and spoke to Dr.
Diane Mickley, its president. "We were misquoted," she said. In a 1985
newsletter the association had referred to 150,000 to 200,000 sufferers
(not fatalities) of anorexia nervosa. What is the correct morbidity rate?
Most experts are reluctant to give exact
figures. One clinician told me that of 1,400 patients she had treated in
ten years, 4 had died - all through suicide. The National Center for Health
Statistics reported 101 deaths from anorexia nervosa in 1983 and 67 deaths
in 1988. Thomas Dunn of the Division of Vital Statistics at the National
Center for Health Statistics reports that in 1991 there were 54 deaths from
anorexia nervosa and no deaths from bulimia. The deaths of
these women are a travesty, certainly, but in a country of one
hundred million adult females, such numbers are hardly evidence of a
"holocaust."

Yet, now the false figure, supporting the view that our "sexist society"
demeans women by objectifying their bodies, is widely accepted as true.
Anne Landers repeated it in her syndicated column in April 1992: "Every
year, 150,000 American women die from complications associated with
anorexia and bulimia."

Will Miss Steinem advise her readers of the egregious statistical error?
Will Mrs. Landers? Will it even matter? By now, the 150,000 figure has made
it into college text books. A recent women' studies text, aptly titled The
Knowledge Explosion, contains the erroneous figure in its preface.

Next Crisis, Please
THE ANOREXIA "crisis" is only one example of the kind of provocative but
inaccurate information being purveyed by women about "women's issues" these
days. On November 4, 1992, Deborah Louis, president of the National Women's
Studies Association, sent a message to the women's Studies Electronic
Bulletin Board:
"According to [the] last March of Dimes report, domestic violence (vs.
pregnant women) is now responsible for more birth defects than all other
causes combined. Personally [this] strikes me as the most disgusting piece
of data I've seen in a long while." This was, indeed, unsettling news. But
it seemed implausible. I asked my
neighbor, a pediatric neurologist at Boston's Children's Hospital, about
the report. He told me that although severe battery may occasionally cause
miscarriage, he had never heard of battery as a significant cause of birth
defects.

I called the March of Dimes to get a copy of the report. Maureen Corry,
director of the March's Education and Health Promotion Program, denied any
knowledge of it. "We have never seen this research before," she said. I did
a search and found that - study or no study - journalists around the
country were citing it.

Domestic violence is the leading cause of birth defects, more than all
other medical causes combined, according to a March of Dimes study. (Boston
Globe, Sep. 2, 1991).

Especially grotesque is the brutality reserved for pregnant women: the
March of Dimes has concluded that the battering of women during pregnancy
causes more birth defects than all the diseases put together for which
children are usually immunized. (Time Magazine, Jan. 18, 1993)

The March of Dimes has concluded that the battering of women during
pregnancy causes more birth defects than all the diseases put together for
which children are usually immunized. (Dallas Morning News, Feb. 7, 1993.)

I called the March of Dimes again. Andrea Ziltzer of their media-relations
department told me that the rumor was spinning out of control. Governors'
offices, state health departments, and Washington politicians had flooded
the office with phone calls. Even the office of Senator Edward Kennedy had
requested a copy of the "report."

When I finally reached Jeanne McDowell, who had written the Time article,
the first thing she was, "That was an error." She sounded genuinely sorry
and embarrassed. She explained that she is always careful about checking
sources, but this time, for some reason, she had not. Time has since called
the March of Dimes to apologize.
An official retraction finally appeared in the magazine on December 6,
1993, under the heading "Inaccurate Information."

I asked Miss McDowell about her source. She had relied on information given
her by the San Francisco Family VIolence Prevention Fund, which had
obtained it from Sarah Buel, a founder of the domestic-violence advocacy
project at Harvard Law School. She in turn had obtained it from Caroline
Whitehead, a maternal nurse and child-care specialist in Raleigh, North
Carolina. I called Miss Whitehead.

"It blows my mind. It is not true," she said. The whole thing began, she
explained, when she introduced Sarah Buel as a speaker at a 1989 conference
for nurses and social workers. In presenting her, Miss Whitehead mentioned
that according to some March of Dimes research she has seen, more women are
screened for birth defects than are ever screened for domestic battery.
Miss Whitehead had said nothing at all about battery causing birth defects.
"Sarah misunderstood me," she said. Miss Buel went on to put the erroneous
information into a manuscript which was then circulated among
family-violence professionals. They saw no reason to doubt its
authenticity.

I called Sarah Buel and told her that it seemed she had misheard Caroline
Whitehead. She was surprised. "Oh, I must have misunderstood her. I'll have
to give her a call. She is my source." She thanked me for having informed
her of the error, pointing out that she had been about to repeat it yet
again in a new article.

Where Were the Skeptics?
WHY WAS everybody so credulous? Battery responsible for more birth defects
than all other causes combined? More than genetic disorders such as spina
bifida, Down syndrome, Tay-Sachs, sickle-cell anemia? More than all these
things combined? Where were the fact-checkers, the editors, the skeptical
journalists?

To that question we must add another: Why are certain feminists so eager to
put men in a bad light? I shall try to answer both these questions.

American feminism is currently dominated by a group of women who seek to
persuade the public that American women are not the free creatures we think
we are. The leaders and theorists of the women's movement believe
that our society is best described as a patriarchy, a "male hegemony," a
"sex/gender system" in which the dominant gender works to keep women
cowering and submissive. The feminists who hold this divisive view of our
social and political reality believe that all our institutions, from the
state to the family to the grade schools, perpetuate male dominance.
Believing that women are virtually under siege, the "gender feminists"
naturally seek recruits to their side of the gender war. They seek support.
They seek vindication. They seek ammunition.

Not everyone, including many women who consider themselves feminists, is
convinced hat contemporary American women live in an oppressive "male
hegemony." To confound the skeptics and persuade the undecided, the gender
feminists are constantly on the lookout for the smoking gun, the telling
fact that will drive home how profoundly the system is rigged against
women. It is not enough to remind us that many brutal and
selfish men harm women. They must persuade us that the system itself
sanctions male brutality. They must convince us that the oppression of
women, sustained from generation to generation, is a structural feature of
our society.

Thus gender-feminst ideology holds that physical menace toward women is the
norm. Gloria Steinem's portrait of male-female intimacy under patriarchy is
typical: "Patriarchy requires violence or the subliminal threat of violence
in order to maintain itself...The most dangerous situation for a woman is
not an unknown man in the street, or even the enemy in wartime, but a
husband or lover in the isolation of their own home."

Miss Steinem's description of the dangers women face in their own home is
reminiscent of the Super Bowl hoax of January 1993. Here is the chronology:

Thursday, January 27. A news conference was called in Pasadena, California,
the site of the forthcoming Super Bowl game, by a coalition of women's
groups. At the news conference, reporters were informed that Super Bowl
Sunday is "the biggest day of the year for violence against women." Forty
per cent more women would be battered on that day. In support of the 40 per
cent figure, Sheila Kuehl of the California Women's Law Center cited a
study done at Virginia's Old Dominion University three years before. The
presence of Linda Mitchell, a representative of a media "watchdog" group
called Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR), lent credibility to the
claim.

At about the same time a very large media mailing was sent by Dobisky
Associates, FAIR's publicists, warning at-risk women: "Don't remain at home
with him during the game." The idea that sports fans are prone to attack
their wives or girlfriends on that climatic day persuaded many men as well:
Rober Lipsyte of the New York Times would soon be referring to the "Abuse
Bowl."

Friday January 28. Lenore Walker, a Denver psychologist and author of The
Battered Woman, appeared on Good Morning America claiming to have compiled
a ten-year report showing a sharp increase in violent incidents against
women on Super Bowl Sundays.

Here, again, a representative from FAIR, Laura Flanders, was present to
lend credibility to the claim.

Saturday, January 29. A story in the Boston Globe written by Lynda Gorov
reported that women's shelters and hotlines are "flooded with more calls
from victims [on Super Bowl Sunday] than on any other day of the year."
Miss Gorov cited "one study of women's shelters out West" that "showed a 40
per cent climb in calls, a pattern advocates said is repeated nationwide,
including Massachusetts."

In this rolling sea of media credulity was a lone island of professional
integrity. Ken Ringle, a Washington Post staff writer, took the time to
call around. When he asked Janet Katz - a professor of sociology and
criminal justice at Old Dominion, and one of the principal authors of the
study cited by Miss Kuehl - about the connection
between violence and football games, she said: "That's not what we found at
all." Instead, she told him, they they had found that an increase in
emergency-room admissions "was not associated with the occurrence of
football games in general."

Mr. Ringle checked with Lynda Gorov, who told him she had never seen the
study she cited but had been told of it by FAIR. Linda Mitchell of FAIR
told Mr. Ringle that the authority for the 40 per cent figure was Lenore
Walker. Miss Walker's office, in turn, referred calls on the subject to
Michael Lindsey, a Denver psychologist and an
authority on battered women. Pressed by Mr. Ringle, Mr. Lindsey admitted he
could find no basis for the report. "I haven't been any more successful
than you in tracking down any of this," he said. "You think maybe we have
on of these myth things here?"

Later, other reporters pressed Miss Walker to detail her findings. She said
they were not available. "We don't use them for public consumption," she
explained, "we used them to guide us in advocacy projects."

It would have been more honest for the feminists who initiated the campaign
to admit that there was no basis for saying that football fans are more
brutal to women than are chess players or Democrats nor any basis for
saying that there was a significant rise in domestic violence on Super Bowl
on Super Bowl Sunday.

Ken Ringle's unraveling of the "myth thing" was published on the front page
of the Washington Post on January 31. On February 2, Boston Globe staff
writer Bob Hohler published what amounted to a retraction of Miss Gorov's
story. Mr. Hohler had done some more digging and had gotten support of the
claim. "It should not have
gone out in FAIR's materials," said Mr. Rendell.

Linda Mitchell would later acknowledge that she was aware during the
original news conference that Miss Kuehl was misrepresenting the Old
Dominion study. Mr. Ringle asked her whether she did not feel obligated to
challenge her colleague. "I wouldn't do that in front of the media," Miss
Mitchell said. "She has a right to report it as she wants."

The shelters and hot lines, which monitored the Sunday of the 27th Super
Bowl with special care, reported no variation in the number of calls for
help that day, not even in Buffalo, whose team (and fans) had suffered a
crushing defeat.

But despite Ken Ringle's expose, the Super Bowl "statistic" will be with us
for a while, doing its divisive work of generating fear and resentment. In
the book How to Make a Better Place for Women in Five Minutes a Day, a
comment under the heading "Did You Know?" informs readers that "Super Bowl
Sunday is the most violent day of the year, with the highest reported
number of domestic battering cases." How a belief in that misandrist canard
can make the world a better place for women is not explained.

Female Gains or Male Backlash?
HOW a feminist reacts to data about gender gaps in salaries and economic
opportunities is an excellent indication of the kind of feminist she is. In
general, the equity feminist points with pride to the many gains women have
made toward achieving parity in the workplace. By contrast, the gender
feminist makes it a point to disparage these gains and to speak of
backlash. it disturbs her that the public may be lulled into thinking that
women are doing well and that men are allowing it. The gender feminist
insists that any so-called progress is illusory.

By most measures, the Eighties were a a time of rather spectacular gains by
American women - in education, in wages, and in such traditionally male
professions as business, law and medicine. The gender feminist will have
none of this. According to Susan Faludi, in her much ballyhooed book, the
Eighties were the backlash decade, in which men successfully retracted many
of the gains wrested from them in preceding decades. And since any
criticism of Miss Faludi's claim is apt to be construed as just more
backlashing, one must be grateful to the editors of the New York Times
business section for braving the wrath of feminist ideologues by presenting
an objective account of the economic picture as it affects women.

Surveying several reports by women economists on women's gains in the
1980's, New York Times business writer Sylvia Nasar rejected Susan Faludi's
thesis. She pointed to masses of empirical data showing that "Far from
losing ground, women gained more in the 1980's than in the entire postwar
era before that. And almost as much as between 1890 and 1980."

The Times report that the proportion women earn of each dollar of men's
wages rose to a record 72 cents by 1990. But the Times points out that even
this figure is misleadingly pessimistic, because it includes older women
who are only marginally in the work force, such as "the mother who
graduated from high school, left the work force at twenty, and returned to
a minimum wage at a local store." Younger women, says the Times "now
earn 80 cents for every dollar earned by men of the same age, up from 69
cents in 1980."

None of these facts has made the slightest impression on the
backlash-mongers. For years, feminist activists have been wearing buttons
claiming women earn "59 cents to a man's dollar." Some journalists have
questioned this figure. Miss Faludi calls them "spokesman" for the backlash
and says: "By 1988, women with a college diploma could still wear the
famous 59 cent buttons. They were still making 59 cents to their male
counterparts' dollar. In fact, the pay gap for them was now a bit worse
than five years earlier."

The sources Miss Faludi cites do not sustain her figure. The actual figure
for 1988 is 68 cents, both for all women and for women with a a college
diploma. This is substantially higher, not lower, than it was five years
earlier. This most recent figures, for 1992, are considerably higher yet:
71 cents for all women and 73 cents for women with a college diploma.

Economists differ on exactly how much, if any, of the remaining gap is
discrimination. Most economists agree that much of it simply represents the
fact that, on average, women have accrued less workplace experience than
men of the same age. One recent scholarly estimate shows that as of 1987,
females who were currently
working full-time and year-round had, on average, one-quarter year less of
work experience than comparable males.

These data are important in understanding the oft-cited claim of a "glass
ceiling" for women. Promotion in high-powered professional jobs often goes
to those who have put in long hours in evenings and on weekends. Husbands
may be more likely to do so than wives, for a variety of reasons, including
unequal division of responsibilities at home, in which case the source of
the difficulty is at home, not in the marketplace.

Obviously, the experience gap also reflects the fact that many women choose
to move into and out of the work force during child-bearing and
child-rearing years. This reduces the amount of experience they acquire in
the workplace and naturally results in lower earnings, quite apart from any
possible discrimination. Some evidence
of this is provided by data on childless workers, for whom the experience
gap should be much narrower, resulting in a narrower earnings gap. This, in
fact, is the case: as of 1987, among childless white workers aged 20 to 44,
females' hourly earnings were between 86 to 91 per cent of males' hourly
earnings.

Robert Reich, the U.S. secretary of labour, wrote a blurb for Backlash
describing it as "spellbinding and frightening...a wake-up call to the men
as well as the women who are struggling to build a gender-respectful
society." One can only hope that Mr. Reich was too spellbound to have read
Backlash with a discriminating mind. What is more alarming than anything
Miss Faludi has to say about an undeclared war against American women is
the credulity it has met in high public officials on whose judgment we
ought to be able to rely.

mrguitarbear

14-07-2008, 04:31 PM

Pink actually has a barcode tattoo on the back of her neck , couldn't be more obvious could it ?

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_x8moj3jbAwU/R7pKYpcZqdI/AAAAAAAAA3s/NZ-UT4JHbH8/004nuca.jpg

I don't think John Lennon was an MK Ultra , but it seems likely that Yoko Ono was a CIA handler who was alloted to him to keep an eye on him.

From the wikipedia entry about Albert Goldman's ' The Lives of John Lennon ' :

The over-arching theme of the book is to debunk the notion that Lennon retired from rock for five years, from 1975 until his 1980 comeback album, Double Fantasy, to live as what Lennon characterized as a "house husband" to raise the couple's son, Sean. Goldman asserts that actually Lennon had retreated into a secluded, darkened room watching television all day, every day, leaving domestic servants to tend his son, while John was feeding a chronic heroin habit. Goldman claimed this caused Lennon's emaciated physique (evidenced by the photo-spread shot not long before his death by Annie Leibovitz).

Goldman further asserted that this turn of events was caused, not only by Lennon's own native laziness and dependence on strong women throughout his life to manage his affairs, (other than his marriage to Cynthia, in which he took a dominant role), but through the instigation and manipulation of Yoko Ono, who Goldman claimed in the book was jealous of Lennon and saw his fame as competition for her own musical ambitions.

Goldman contends Ono encouraged Lennon's heroin addiction as a way of controlling him and his vast fortune, to her own ends. She also used tarot reading charlatans to feed John readings that would urge him to take various courses of action Ono supported. These readings would determine seemingly trivial choices of Lennon's life, such as which route the limo would take home from the studio or which day was most propitious on which to record, but were, in fact, according to Goldman, often part of Ono's constant machinations.

He also alleges Lennon's comeback was only allowed, and then orchestrated, by Ono after she realized her own ambitions at stardom without Lennon were futile.

He also enumerates what he described as Yoko Ono's lavish spending habits, wasting of Lennon's resources, abuse of domestic servants and personal assistants, even to the point of setting up May Pang as Lennon's girlfriend and Ono's personal spy during his Lost Weekend when he was separated from Ono during the autumn of 1974.

Much of this story is confirmed by Pang in her own book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_John_Lennon

hunkahunka

14-07-2008, 04:41 PM

check out Elton's 'rainbow' suit in this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHxpy7O004s
also note Pete Townshend trashing the stage set in some sort of rage,
and Cobain was known to do exactly the same thing.

Townshend has stated that he thinks he wrote 'Tommy' due to repressed
childhood memories of suffering homosexual abuse, so is there more
behind the similarity of their onstage behavior?

mrguitarbear

14-07-2008, 05:05 PM

hunkahunka

14-07-2008, 05:23 PM

Jared Leto ( born 26th December 1971 ) portrayed Mark David Chapman in the film ' Chapter 27 ' about the assassination of John Lennon. The film deals with Lennon's interest in numerology and particularly the number 9 , interestingly Leto was 9 years old at the time of Lennon's murder.

The number 27 is is 9 times 3 , if you write this as 999 then this is the British telephone callsign for the emergency services , the equivalent of the US 911. Lennon was of course born in England.

Strangely enough , the actor who played John Lennon in ' Chapter 27 ' was called Mark ( Lindsay ) Chapman !

Leto was raised by his mother and at one point was raised in a Colorado hippy commune. He had been dating co-star Lindsay Lohan before the movie had begun filming. The director of ' Chapter 27 ' was Jarrett Schaefer , an unknown director with a military family background.

This film has got CIA written all over it !

interesting fact that John Lennon was shot in the same place , in front of the Dakota, of which it is said there was a satanist shot at the Dakota in the film Rosemary's Baby.

Here is interesting clip about the synchronicity of events .

About This Video
This clip is from Movie Chapter 27 (2007). The movie 'Rosemary's Baby' was filmed in the Dakota Building were John Lennon was shot to death, outside, by Mark David Chapman (A Big Beatles Fan). It also appears that John Lennon knew the director Roman Polanski personally. Roman Polanski's wife Sharon Tate was Murdered by "the Manson Family", when she was pregnant. Charles Manson has a connection to John Lennon/the Beatles via the song Helter Skelter, as he had his own "special" interpretation of the song. Charles Manson's "followers" wrote "Helter Skelter" in blood on the wall when they killed Polanski's pregnant wife Sharon Tate.

Synchronicity of Events Dawns on Mark David Chapman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1POsi9aEto

See the entire Rosemary's Baby film online here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYhkReZw2BE
Rosemary's Baby (part 1 of 14 )

See Rosemary's Baby referenced in prime time TV expose on satanism here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3iUhhVUALo

Geraldo: Exploring Satan's Underground Part 2
About This Video
Footage from Geraldo tv special about Robert Berdella and satanic ritual abuse in the heartland and elsewhere. Warning: Graphic descriptions of baby sacrifice and torture.

hunkahunka

14-07-2008, 09:14 PM

I was struck by something when comparing these
two photos:

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/religionnaire/artistes/80s/art/double_fantasy.jpg
in this photo you see a couple embracing, with the
female on the left, and the male on the right.

http://homepage.mac.com/prodriguez/artwork/hole/live_through_this.jpg
If you look closely at this photo, you can see
what might be a couple embracing , with the female on the left, and the shattered visage of an exploding male on the right.

Consider that this was released four days after Cobain's explosive gunshot death, and you can envision the subliminal content here. (note the odd way she clutches the flowers, but rather embraces it with both arms)

something like this?:

http://blog.doctissimo.fr/php/blog/GRUNGE/images/courtney%20kurt%20triste.jpg

hunkahunka

14-07-2008, 09:28 PM

given the previous post, it begs a comparison of the
two following photos:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/new/111.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/prodriguez/artwork/hole/live_through_this.jpg

Soulja, any thoughts?

hunkahunka

15-07-2008, 12:54 AM

the true reason the CIA paid Gloria Steinem to
destroy the family?
why, to get the kiddlers out of the house of course, and to:

http://www.sotrchildcare.com/resources/_wsb_523x210_over+the+rainbow+sign.jpg
or:
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mcmartin/mcmartinschool.jpg

hunkahunka

15-07-2008, 02:50 AM

Doesn't David look just so crushed>:

http://img170.imagevenue.com/loc753/th_83298_Ono_122_753lo.jpg

http://bp0.blogger.com/_BEdOpuVVRZg/RbpYNoCm4lI/AAAAAAAAAAM/WWa03AHLmo8/s400/Ono+Geffin.jpg

Yoko Ono and David Geffen (right) emerge from Roosevelt Hospital just before midnight on December 8, 1980, moments after learning that John Lennon had died. From Nowhere Man: The Final Days of John Lennon. ©AP/Wide World Photos
***

and this revelation that Geffen was fucking Cher while she was still
married to the eventually assassinated Congressman Sonny Bono:

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/k/king-operator.html
Sonny Bono recognized that Cher's behavior had changed dramatically from the moment she had connected with David Geffen. By January 1974, relations between Sonny and Cher on the set at CBS reached an all-time low.

The rehearsals were painful for everyone. A skit in one of their final shows had Cher playing Mother Nature standing atop a mountain. Sonny played a seeker of truth, struggling to climb to the peak. "Mother Nature, what is the secret of life?" Sonny asked.

"Go fuck yourself," Cher snarled, not missing a beat.

Nobody laughed. "Can we try it again?" the director asked.

"Not without lawyers," Bono muttered.

Geffen coached Cher on the speech that would destroy Bono. She delivered it in Sonny's dressing room one night after a taping. Cher walked in and told her husband that she no longer wanted to do The Sonny and Cher Comedy Hour. He had wanted her to sign a new contract with Cher Enterprises, but she had refused, and now she was walking out.

"What?" Bono gagged.

"I already gave notice to CBS," she said.

"We've got contracts," Bono said desperately. "I mean, you can't. We are signed to record deals, nightclubs."

clozaril

15-07-2008, 07:20 AM

yeah geffen was a young player when he got in the game when in his 20's he had considerable power in the music biz.

i read this http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/516ZDTQ9YRL._SL500_BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg

geffen signed neil young and said to him record what you want, but then neil young was part of the lauel canyon set.

soulja

15-07-2008, 12:36 PM

great posts guys, keep it up!

Pink actually has a barcode tattoo on the back of her neck , couldn't be more obvious could it ?

reminds me of the opening scene from the movie hitman.

A gun-for-hire "Hitman" is a genetically-engineered, elite assassin known only as Agent 47 hired by a group known only as 'The Organization' is ensnared in a political conspiracy, which finds him pursued by both Interpol and the Russian military as he treks across Eastern Europe. But even 47 couldn't anticipate a "random equation" in his life exactitude: the unexpected stirrings of his conscience and the unfamiliar emotions aroused in him by a mysterious Russian woman.

he's agent 47 (11 the masternumber/telling you straight up he is their best agent wich the movie shows he indeed is as he single-handedly takes out the other agents who received the same ''training'' as he did)

just one of those little details.. now to the opening scene:

you see him and a bunch of other kids being trained (MK style) in some underground type facility

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mov/7.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mov/14.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mov/16.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mov/15.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mov/5.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mov/2.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mov/6.jpg

no screenshot but they even had the underwater torture technique in the movie.. also he later meets a woman who is the slave of the russian president. she has a black dragon tat on her face (Angelina Jolie has a black dragon tat btw)

soulja

15-07-2008, 01:19 PM

Rapper ''The Game'' has a butterfly tat on his right cheek
http://img42.echo.cx/img42/12/butterfly29vp.jpg

Cheryl Tweedy
http://www.vanishingtattoo.com/images/tattooed3x/cheryltweedy2x.jpg

Summer Altice
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/51845240.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CEC95AB77351946B29 A40A659CEC4C8CB6
http://www.vanishingtattoo.com/tattoo/celeb-altice.htm

Mariah has one too
http://www.vanishingtattoo.com/tattoo/celeb-carey.htm

Krissy Taylor had one
http://www.vanishingtattoo.com/tattoo/celeb-taylor_krissy.htm

she was a top model who died in 1995

On July 2, 1995, Niki Taylor found Krissy lying unconscious on the floor of their family's home in Florida. After attempts to revive Taylor by her family and authorities failed, she was rushed to Memorial Hospital West and pronounced dead at 5:39 a.m.

Taylor was known to have had allergies that congested her upper respiratory system and she used Primatene, an over-the-counter inhaler, to combat shortness of breath. While the epinephrine it contains can cause cardiac arrhythmia, it was impossible to prove she had taken any just prior to her death.

The official cause of death was an acute asthma attack complicated by sudden cardiac arrhythmia. However, she had no prior history of asthma, and no symptoms of a heart condition. Uncertain of the medical examiner's diagnosis, the Taylor family hired independent experts to study tissue samples of Taylor's heart muscle, and concluded that the more likely cause of her death was a rare cardiac disease called arrhythmogenic right ventricular dysplasia.

her sister who also is a model is called Nikki taylor (sometimes written with one k)

that brings me to another MK sign, names, Nikki for example seems to be one of those names used alot for MK slaves.

for example ''Princess'' (indicating princess programing) Nikki
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/Hideout/d38_1230_nikki_g.jpg
who was on UK's Big brother and famous for her major tandrums. one moment she'd be normal and the next completely out of it. she switched altars alot on that show. later got her own tv show called:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/Hideout/250px-Princess_Nikki.jpg

theres an adult star known as Nikki Tyler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Tyler

she got a rose tat on her ass cheek btw..

bobthegoon

15-07-2008, 01:28 PM

soulja

15-07-2008, 01:51 PM

watched a movie called Boarding gate
http://cineconchile.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/boarding_gate.jpg

An Italian woman who lives in London has a passionate affair with a former financial big gun. She also had a second lover, a contract killer who has to kill the big gun. Her second lover's wife is behind the scenes, pulling the strings.

http://auteurs.s3.amazonaws.com/notebook/boarding_gate.jpg
the main character has a 23 tat on her neck (telling us she's a illuminati slave) theres also a scene where she wants to be called a slave by the guy she sleeps with. he then calls her a slave 3 times..

couldn't find a pic of her 23 tat but watch the movie, it's there. also note her ruby necklace.

Jewels programming:

Many Illuminati children will go through either metals or jewels programming, and occasionally will go through both. Jewels is considered higher than metals, and more difficult to obtain. Which is put in and when, is dependent on the child's status, its parents status, the region it is born in, the group it is born into, and the trainers that work with it.

Basically, either metals or jewels is a form of reward based programming.

Here is how it works:
The child is shown a piece of jewelry such as a ring, or else a large example of the jewel (or metal) being put in. They are asked: "isn't this Amethyst, or Ruby, Emerald, Diamond) beautiful?" The child will be eager to look at it, touch it, and is encouraged to by a trainer with a soft kind voice. The trainer will ask the child, "wouldn't you like to be beautiful, like this jewel? (or metal jewelry)". The child is usually eager to be. Here is a sparkling gemstone, placed in their small hands (the training often begins between age two and three). Of course they want to be beautiful, sparkly, valued. The trainer will extol the beauty of the gem (or metal), will tell the child how special, valued, wanted gems are, and basically build up the idea of becoming like a jewel.

The child is then told that in order to become a jewel, they must "earn the right". This involves:
a.) passing through steps of discipline (see chapter three)
b.) passing "special tests"
c.) being rewarded for special achievement

Becoming a jewel (or precious metal) is dangled before the small child, like a carrot, as the reward for doing well in training sessions. The earning of one is linked to going through the rungs of the long, arduous training process expected of Illuminati children; having a jewel or metal involves stepping up in status and being praised. But the price is enduring hours of abuse called "training" but in reality is organized, systemic abuse to make the child do what the trainer wants them to become.

Over time, with the help of drugs, hypnosis, shock, and other trauma, as the child goes through it's training process, it will begin earning its jewels and/or metals, one by one. These will become full alters inside.

Amethyst is usually the first one earned, and is linked to keeping secrets, never telling, and passing the first step of discipline. Each step is linked to receiving either a jewel or precious metal.

Ruby will often be next, and is linked to sexual abuse and sexual alters inside. As the child is repeatedly sexually traumatized and survives, or creates sexual alters to please adults, they are "rewarded" by being allowed to become a ruby.

Emerald will often come later (ages 12 to 15). This is considered very precious, and is linked to family loyalty, witchcraft, and spiritual achievement. Emeralds will often have a black cat, or "familiar" linked to them.

Diamond is the highest gemstone, and not all children will earn it. It is considered a high achievement. and may not be earned until adulthood, after passing rigorous tasks. It will be the controlling alter in a gemstone system. A diamond has passed all twelve steps of discipline, plus passed unusual tests and will have highest family loyalty.

http://www.copronason.com/images/illuminati/Watching_lg.gif
http://copronason.com/illuminati7.html

soulja

15-07-2008, 02:04 PM

Emerald will often come later (ages 12 to 15). This is considered very precious, and is linked to family loyalty, witchcraft, and spiritual achievement. Emeralds will often have a black cat, or "familiar" linked to them.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/0162.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/OlsensDoFashionWeek.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/melinda_clarke_wearing_green_Julie_.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/VictoriaOSP.png

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/Spice-Girl-Victoria-Beckham.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/Hideout/005_randyjackson_paulaabdul_simonco.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/avril_lavigne_cannes.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/britney-1.jpg

soulja

15-07-2008, 02:08 PM

The Dance of Hod (Glory-the sphere on the bottom left of the C. Tree of Sephiroth) is then begun in a circular motion by the cult, to oppose Netsah (Victory-the sphere on the bottom right of the Tree). The Priest of the coven will then dismiss the demon(s) he has conjured. At times this ritual is done with a child sacrifice rather than an animal, & sometimes it is done in conjunction with another ritual, such as All Hallow’s Eve. To empower the Monarch System, special rings which have been dipped in the blood of sacrificed victims, are given to the victim with instructions to wear it faithfully. The rings are used as focal points to insure the continued demonization of the victim. Some examples of this would be a Blue Topaz ring, a Black Onyx ring, or a Diamond ring. Black Onyx is used to capture souls. Whether the therapist believes this or not, becomes irrelevant in view of the fact that the deeper alters in a Monarch System are skilled in demonology and they do believe it, and take consolation that their magical powers are never challenged by therapists. These deeper alters will continue to do much of the demonization of the system for the Programmer, and this delegation of this job, means the Programmer/handler is free to focus on other things.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/linLohan.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/Hideout/C55920Eve-Posters.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/hs/Beyonce-Jay-Z.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/3321.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/PharrellAlbumCover1.jpg
note the title ''in my mind''

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/16___terri_hatcher_and_her___2_.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/arnold-ring-poster.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/arnoldring.jpg

soulja

15-07-2008, 03:03 PM

http://bitsblog.florack.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/stienem_gloria.jpg

Gloria Steinem once worked as a Playboy Bunny waitress. (another MK 'project' of the Illuminati?)

the whole bunny thing is another sexual programing theme in MK, also it ties into Oz programing imo (follow the white rabbit)
playboy has connetcions to the mob and the Cia btw..

interesting article i've stumbled across

Messing with Our Minds
CIA mind control experts and accused child abusers- the false memory movement turns blaming the victim into a science

HUSAYN AL-KURDI

A quiet but brutal war is being waged on the victims of child abuse, including sexual and even ritual abuse. The battlefields include academia, the courts, professional groups, and society in general. In some cases, the aggressors are the same people accused of perpetuating the violence. They've banded together, forming networks and support groups, most notably the False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF), which discounts recollections of abuse recovered in later years, making survivors look like complainers and trauma therapists sound like quacks.

Unfortunately, the Foundation has many psychotherapists on the run. Several lawsuits have already ended with judgments in favor of alleged perpetrators, and the resulting chilling effect has dampened the willingness of some mental health professionals to treat victims, especially those claiming ritual abuse.

If you browse the Internet these days, you're apt to find regional or local groups started by survivors of childhood torture and/or abuse. The list includes the International Council on Cultism and Ritual Trauma, based in Dallas, Texas; Mothers Against Sexual Abuse in Monrovia, California; Survivors and Victims Empowered in Lancaster, Pennsylvania; and the San Francisco-based Survivorship. Meanwhile, researchers such as Alex Constantine, Walter H. Bowart, and Dick Farley conduct valuable research on the FMSF. Despite such scrutiny and the seriousness of the problem, however, advocates for false memory (also known as repressed memory) syndrome dominate cyberspace and have received far more favorable coverage in the mainstream media.

Ironically, it turns out that the Foundation itself has extensive connections to another group that has indulged in extensive experimentation on human beings - the Central Intelligence Agency. Although better known for overseas operations that serve the interests of corporate and financial elites - euphemistically described as protecting "national security" - the Agency also has a sordid history of domestic mind control experimentation. Its interest in this field runs parallel with elite concern about how to control the thinking of US citizens. The fear among policymakers that we might take control of our own destinies is almost as deep as their terror that, without US intervention, people in other parts of the world might go their own way.

It should come as no surprise, then, that long-time CIA and "intelligence complex" operatives turn up on the FMSF Advisory Board. Perhaps the most public member has been Dr. Louis Joylon "Jolly" West, a legendary figure in CIA mind control circles operating out of UCLA. Another is Dr. Martin Orne, an authority on torture who currently works at the University of Pennsylvania's Experimental Psychiatry Lab. While studying the effects of over 16 biochemical warfare agents until the early 1970s, Orne considered the effectiveness of choking, blistering, and vomiting agents, toxins, poison gas, and various incapacitating chemicals. During the same period, he also worked with the Cornell University-based Human Ecology Fund, sharing his findings with Dr. Even Cameron, who was then based at the McGill University Allen Institute in Montreal. At Human Ecology, electroshock, lobotomies, drugs, incapacitants, hypnosis, sleep deprivation, and radio control of the brain were all specialties of the house.

Still another false memory luminary is Margaret Singer, professor emeritus in psychology at the University of California-Berkeley. Long in the research loop of the "military-industrial-intelligence complex," Singer's involvement dates back to her experiments on returning Korean War veterans. Scrutinizing the behavior patterns of what were described as "collaborators," "non-collaborators," and "active resisters," she noted that the "collaborators showed more typical and humanly responsive reactions" than the other groups, whose members "tended to be more apathetic and emotionally barren and withdrawn."

The latest concoction of this brain trust is false memory syndrome, a highly ideological theory embraced by the Christian Right and other groups that favor male supremacy, not to mention those accused of abusing and/or sexually molesting women and children. Pedophiles and self-righteous "Christians" often turn up in FMS circles.

The movement's official literature describes its so-called "syndrome" as a "condition in which a person's identity and interpersonal relationships are centered around a memory of traumatic experience which is objectively false but in which the person strangely believes." It goes on to explain that, when in the grip of a "false memory," a person "may become so focused on the memory that he or she may be effectively distracted from coping with the real problems in his or her life." Certainly, the movement's leaders should know, since in the realm of memory manipulation they're the experts.

Inducing memory loss has long been a CIA obsession. The initial objectives included closing the minds of agents - in case they were captured - and making sure enemies who were interrogated wouldn't remember they'd been questioned. While receiving CIA funds as part of the notorious MK-ULTRA project, West, an expert in brainwashing, learned how to manipulate memories in various subjects - inducing everything from total amnesia to obsessive-compulsive fixations.

West's most notorious experiment, conducted while at the University of Oklahoma, involved killing an elephant with LSD and tranquilizers. But he also ran a secret CIA mind control lab and "treated" Jack Ruby after his murder of Lee Harvey Oswald. Subsequently, he attempted to launch a Center for the Study and Reduction of Violence in California, hoping to incorporate treatments such as chemical castration, psychosurgery, and the use of experimental drugs. But the Center was derailed once its methods became public.

According to false memory proponents like West, the "syndrome" - an iatrogenic (medically induced) malady - is reaching epidemic proportions. But in reality, what has actually assumed such dimensions is the problem the FMS movement seeks to discredit - sexual abuse of women and children. According to recent research, more than one out of four women have been raped. Statistics for incest are similar.

FMS activists crow about inducing those who recall abuse in therapy to recant their "objectively false" recollections. Movement literature perversely claims: "Many describe a sense of relief and comfort with their decision that their memories were false and a sense of well-being that they missed while entrenched in the memory recovery process." Thus, memories of abuse are defined as invalid. But somehow retracted memories aren't.

According to the false memory movement, many victims are actually "borderline" deviants, the sources of whatever "false" problems they may have conjured up. And how could anyone disagree? After all, as FMSF spokesperson Pamela Freyd explains, "We are a good-looking bunch of people: graying hair, well-dressed, healthy, smiling ... about every person who has attended [an FMSF meeting] is a person you would likely find interesting and want to count as a friend."

Yet, Freyd and her husband Peter founded the movement after their daughter, Jennifer, a Ph.D. psychologist, recalled a range of childhood sexual abuses. Among other memories she recovered was one that involved Peter forcing his little girls to dance around naked with Playboy bunny tails for the amusement of his friends.

Ralph Underwager, an early member of the group's professional advisory board, let the pedophile agenda slip when he told British reporters that, according to so-called "scientific evidence," 60 percent of all women who were molested as children believed the experience was "good for them." Both he and another advisory board member, Holida Wakefield, have publicly described pedophilia as a positive lifestyle choice. Another movement activist, Dr. Richard Gardner, blames the syndrome on "zealots" who want to "destroy every man in sight."

Supporters such as Gary Cooper, who promotes the Foundation via the Internet, claim that "modern therapy is creating phony victims of child abuse and destroying thousands of families." He describes most memories of abuse as fantasies provoked by greedy therapists, who encourage their patients "to break relationship with the family and work on these phony issues."

Thus far, the Foundation claims to have won 14 court cases, largely through the efforts of movement ideologue Elizabeth Loftus, a psychologist and FMSF advisory board member who garners large fees for testifying as an "expert witness." Loftus has appeared on behalf of over 150 clients, most of them accused pedophiles and murderers such as serial killer Ted Bundy. In that case, a key aspect of her testimony was the inaccuracies in eyewitness identification, similar to her criticism of the recollections of abuse victims. But such inaccuracies don't necessarily mean that abuse didn't happen.

In December 1995, two women filed an ethics complaint with the American Psychological Association (APA) against Loftus, protesting her published statements about two cases involving delayed memories of sexual abuse. Although the APA declined to investigate, Loftus resigned from the association a month later. One of the women who filed the complaint, Jennifer Hoult, was awarded $500,000 for the suffering caused by her father's incestuous abuse. During the case, her father joined the FMSF.

The movement has been defeated in court more often and more significantly than it cares to admit. Despite its efforts to discredit therapists and blame victims, many people have won civil cases against their parents and other family members on the basis of memories recovered in therapy. In addition, Doctor Charles Whitfield has successfully fought a civil suit brought by the Freyds, who were stung by his commentary on their theories and activities.

Research has proven that people who suffer severe abuse often "forget" it. In a "fight or flight" mode, the body produces high levels of neurochemicals that can obliterate conscious memory. While at the Allen Institute, Ewen Cameron looked into "psychic driving" as another way to accomplish the same thing.

Under high stress, the hippocampus becomes inactive and misses its chance to place a memory in the person's timeline or "memory bank." Instead, it's recorded elsewhere or "dissociated." According to Dr. Lenore Terr of the University of California's Medical School in San Francisco, "Survivors - especially those who were repeatedly hurt by people they love - frequently repress the agonizing memories until they are grown up and safely away from home."

In a very real sense, domestic survivors of CIA experimental abuse have much in common with the millions who have suffered what no child or other human being should have to endure. And this is exactly what worries the false memory movement. Fearing imminent exposure, the CIA was forced to abandon the MK-ULTRA project in the 60s. But the effort to manipulate minds and blame the victims didn't end; it simply moved from public institutions to cults and private foundations, facades less open to public scrutiny. As a result, the Human Ecology Fund has been replaced by groups such as the Human Potential Foundation in Falls Church, Virginia, founded by Sen. Claiborne Pell and lavishly funded by Laurence Rockefeller. In short, the patriarchal old boys network remains intact, just one more aspect of the backlash against women and children.
http://www.voxfux.com/features/mind_control_child_abuse_cover_up.html

also this one

Playboy model says killer held her spellbound
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/7261/playboy-model-says-killer-held-her-spellbound

soulja

15-07-2008, 03:07 PM

Paris Hilton , Nicky Hilton , Kevin Connolly and Adrian Grenier joined Hugh Heffner and a bevy of Playboy Bunnies for a Halloween party full of tricks and treats! To add to the ghoulishness of the party, held October 27, 2007 in Los Angeles, Mike Tyson was in attendance. Two famous James, James Belushi (aka Jim Belushi) and James Woods , also enjoyed the food, drinks, festivities and "eye candy".
http://images.wikio.com/images/p/3402/adrian-grenier-kevin-connolly-and-the-the-hilton-sisters-help-the-hef-celebrate-halloween-playboy-bunny-style.jpg
Hugh as devil, paris as Alice..

http://www.handbag.com/?module=images&func=display&fileId=54641

http://www.monkeymusic.at/the_bunny_situation/bunny_laifaintfunny_gr.jpg
title says it all ;)

brown velvet

15-07-2008, 03:08 PM

soulja

15-07-2008, 03:25 PM

Hey Soulja :)

keep seeing your posts on the subjects that interest me.... do you have your own opinions on the gems / witchcraft / demon MC? And no, it isn't an insult, just I see a lot of 'Fritz' info quoted and wonder if you are fascinated with this subject or knowledgeable?

Brown.

didn't take it as insult, don't worry..

yea i use fritz's info alot but the one about gemstones was from Svali
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/svali_speaks.htm

i wouldn't say fascinated but i'm very interested in the subject. btw i didn't read springmeier and thought ''oh yea it's like that'' infact first time i've read his info i was very sceptical and couldn't get my head around most things he wrote. but with the time and my research into symbolism i came across so many things he wrote about (and others btw) that i got more and more interested in the subject.

i'd say i have an decent understanding about MK now but still alot to learn.
that's why it's cool to have people like menses and hunka around who also are interested/knowledgeable on MK.

as for gemstones, i think it serves two purposes, one being tied into programing and another a sign of rank/function inside the brotherhood.
also i think what svali writes is true, as it's observeable to some extend.
about demons being linked to gemstones, i dunno if it's true but theres no doubt that the illuminati are very much into demonology and they very much believe it's true.

btw what's your opinion on all this ?
seeing as you said you're interested in Mk aswell..

soulja

15-07-2008, 03:28 PM

don't wanna post the bunny situation pic again as it's so big but look at the a in situation and ain't..

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/FBI-pedophile-symbols.pdf

http://hideout.mybb3.org/download/file.php?id=2

soulja

15-07-2008, 03:46 PM

“SILENCE!” is both in the movie and a command of the Oz Programming. This word SILENCE stands for a code of “no talk” which runs deep in the mind of the slave.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/gwen-stefani-hollarback-300-400-101.jpg

seeing harmless gestures such as the one from Gwen stefani will trigger Monarchs to remember their programing. constant reinforcement of programing parts/themes is very important to keep the slave functioning properly. (from a programers pov)

SILENCE PROGRAMMING TRAUMAS to TEACH SILENCE

One way to teach silence is to repeatedly kill persons of all ages in front of the person being programmed while telling the mind-control victim that the people who are being sadistically killed because they talked. However, the "no-talk" lesson will be repeated and embedded in many different fashions for Illuminati mind-controlled slaves. Perhaps a favorite Illuminati method is to expose the victim to watching dental tortures. The viewing can be reinforced by subjecting the victim to some dental tortures themselves. A common dental torture would be to extract the tongue of a live and conscious victim. Then dental tortures are done to the victim, and the intense jaw pain of the torture is linked to tripping the no-talk programming. If the person talks--their jaw hurts and they may pull up the dissociated feelings of seeing a person lose their tongue. This then will be further backed up by training an alter to carry out Russian Roulette if the system talks, and training numerous other alters other types of suicide if the system talks. In other words many back up programs mutually support each other in overkill. Considering that dental torture is used for no-talk programming, it was with dismay that this author discovered that Virtual I-O Co. is now making virtual reality eye glasses for dental work. Seashells and other images are linked to the concept of "no-talk" via programming laid in using methods described elsewhere.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/1452_xxl.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/silence.jpg

Fifth step: the code of silence

Many, many different stratagems are used to put this in, starting at around the age of two years old, when a child starts becoming more verbal. Usually, after a ritual or group gathering, the child is asked about what they saw, or heard, during the meeting. Like most obedient young children, they will comply. They are immediately severely beaten, or tortured, and a new alter is created, who is told to keep or guard the memories of what was seen, on pain of their life. The new part always agrees. The child and this new part are put through a ceremony of swearing to never ever tell; and alters are created whose job it is to kill the body, if the other parts ever remember.

The child is also put through severe psychological torture to ensure that it will never be tempted to tell, including: being buried alive; near drowning; watching "traitor's deaths" involving slow painful torture, such as being burned, or skinned alive; being buried with a partially rotted corpse and being told that they will become a corpse like it if they ever tell, etc. The scenarios go on and on, invented by people with endlessly cruel imaginations, in order to ensure the secrecy of the young child. These methods have been perfected over hundreds of years of practice by the cult with its children. The reason these things are done is self evident: the cult is involved in criminal activities, as explained in the first few chapters of this book, and they want to ensure the continued silence of its children. This is one reason why the cult has survived so long, and with its continued shroud of secrecy; why more survivors are afraid/unwilling to disclose their abuse. In order to reveal cult secrets, a child must go against some of the most tremendously horrendous psychological trauma and abuse imaginable; even as an adult, the survivor has difficulty putting these things aside, when discussing their abuse. Children and adults alike are told that if they ever tell, they will be hunted down and shot (the assassin training lets the child know that this is no idle threat); that they will be tortured slowly. The child will be exposed to setups and role plays throughout their growing up that reinforces this step.

http://www.rap-up.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/lil_mama_cover.jpg

http://www.copronason.com/images/illuminati/korin_lg.gif
Picture is called ''inside the circle''
http://copronason.com/illuminati9.html

brown velvet

15-07-2008, 03:52 PM

Hey Soulja :)

I have spent the last several years learing about MC, initiated with the Fritzmeister, where like you I had little concept of what he was saying and yet found myself back on his writings regularly, I discovered Svali, Kathy & Mark, and always returned to Fritz and Cisco. Now I feel I know what they are all referring too, I have a grasp on what 'the Baddies' have done and continue to do. Yet every time I read their works I find something new or another 'layer' on top of it, they make onions and the peeling thereof seem like peeling a grape. The simplicity of the damage confounded with the crypticness of the damage done....
I am particularly interested in the ribbons / dollshouse and the gems. I am convinced the computer games with gems as rewards are highly involved, ever heard any references to games like, umm, Spyro / Sonic / Tombraider?

Brown.

hunkahunka

15-07-2008, 04:38 PM

http://hideout.mybb3.org/download/file.php?id=2

http://media.musictoday.com/store/bands/93/product_medium/PFCT67.jpg

http://blog.wired.com/tableofmalcontents/images/gacy.jpg
John Wayne Gacy

soulja

15-07-2008, 06:39 PM

hunkahunka

15-07-2008, 06:53 PM

check out this creepy Elton John video of his song 'Someone Saved my life Tonight'

The lyrics appear to be about a gay man who was almost
roped into marrying a domineering woman, but is rescued
by his 'sugar bear' gay lover from a suicidally depressing situation:

Music by elton john
Lyrics by bernie taupin
Available on the album captain fantastic and the brown dirt cowboy

When I think of those east end lights, muggy nights
The curtains drawn in the little room downstairs
Prima donna lord you really should have been there
Sitting like a princess perched in her electric chair
And its one more beer and I dont hear you anymore
Weve all gone crazy lately
My friends out there rolling round the basement floor

And someone saved my life tonight sugar bear
You almost had your hooks in me didnt you dear
You nearly had me roped and tied
Altar-bound, hypnotized
Sweet freedom whispered in my ear
Youre a butterfly
And butterflies are free to fly
Fly away, high away, bye bye

I never realised the passing hours of evening showers
A slip noose hanging in my darkest dreams
Im strangled by your haunted social scene
Just a pawn out-played by a dominating queen
Its four oclock in the morning
Damn it listen to me good
Im sleeping with myself tonight
Saved in time, thank God my musics still alive

And I would have walked head on into the deep end of the river
Clinging to your stocks and bonds
Paying your h.p. demands forever
Theyre coming in the morning with a truck to take me home
Someone saved my life tonight, someone saved my life tonight
Someone saved my life tonight, someone saved my life tonight
Someone saved my life tonight
So save your strength and run the field you play alone

Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lblip52DNgQ
but look at some of the imagery in the video,
the monarch 'butterfly' figure throughout accompanies
near-death trauma scenes from gasing to asphyxiation to drowning, freezing, and even electro-torture, with the same line repeatedly urging 'you're a butterfly, and butterflies are free to fly, fly away, high away, bye bye'

This sounds like another MKultra song like 'Somewhere OVer the Rainbow' to me.

And some of the grotesque scenes in the video are of the gay fiancee escaping from the wedding , leaving the bride
alone to vandalize the wedding cake and then dancing with his 'sugarbear' lover ,
as she is electroshocked to death. Pretty bizarre stuff:

It sound like Monarch gay programming.

the song is from this record 'Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61pcO9SrzrL._SS500_.jpg

look at Captain Fantastic leading his army of ghouls and stomping on the family homestead 'fishbowl'
while denigrating the common family man as 'the brown dirt cowboy'.
It looks like Elton is Captaining an overwhelming onslaught of jews, blacks, gays and all nature and heavens
and demons destined to inevitably crush the family unit.

soulja

15-07-2008, 07:37 PM

Elton John was knighted by Queen Elizabeth..

like salman rushdie
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/rushdie.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/0851703003.jpg
The Wizard of Oz was my very first literary influence,' writes Salman Rushdie in his account of the great MGM children's classic. At the age of ten he had written a story, 'Over the Rainbow', about a colourful fantasy world.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/mk/Satanic_verses.jpg

some interesting interview i've found from Roseanne Barr

KING: All right, some see what you have or had as a serious psychological disorder.

ROSEANNE: I like how you just keep going.

KING: Others as psychological fad. Also...

ROSEANNE: A fad?

KING: Whether it's deliberately induced or naturally occurring.

ROSEANNE: Well, I have this head shrinker and he says it's deliberately induced because the CIA is where they started inducing it when after they brought all the Nazis over from Germany to run American Psychiatric Association.

KING: What are you about?

ROSEANNE: I'm telling you the truth. It is all mind control and all kinds of things to invent people with multiple personalities.

KING: So you have been captured by Nazis?

ROSEANNE: The government. Well in a way, I believe the government has implanted some kind of a chip into my head where...

KING: Roseanne.

ROSEANNE: You know, is monitored by Barbara Walters and these other women. And they take all my ideas and I'm, you know.

KING: Yes, is Oprah one of the people monitoring?

ROSEANNE: Of course.

KING: She's definitely in touch?

ROSEANNE: Definitely. I think she sits with her finger on the switch to the chip.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0108/16/lkl.00.html

hunkahunka

15-07-2008, 09:25 PM

http://blog.wired.com/games/images/2007/06/05/ea_games_logo.gif

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h153/friskymonkeyfilms/myspace/blogozy8.jpg

http://digg.com/security/The_Pedophile_s_Secret_Code_Symbols_and_Logos_to_W atch_Out_For

http://internetsafetyeducator.com/storage/FBI.JPG

http://www.satori.org/images/Sega_Dreamcast_logo-thumb.png
Sega Dreamcast logo

check out this clip from Gus Van Sant's film 'Elephant' where one
of the homosexual school shooters plays a video game on his laptop
practising shooting people. (the film was based on the real life Columbine Kleiboldt and Harris school shooting)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7nZWr1PBTo&feature=related
this is part 5

and then check out the very next part 6
where the two boys slip into the shower together for a bout
of gay sex prior to going to attack the school:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peE30h2zIIQ&feature=related

hunkahunka

15-07-2008, 09:36 PM

http://www.satori.org/images/Sega_Dreamcast_logo-thumb.png

http://www.mindpower-self-hypnosis.com/Images/spiral_animated2.gif

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/944836/cool_hypnotic_spiral_self_hypnosis/

illuminotti

16-07-2008, 01:04 PM

The transcript of Roseanne and Larry King is a MUST read.....
it's full of info that can be taken from it! very confirming to info floating around.

soulja

16-07-2008, 03:40 PM

and another one i remember was bioshock where you had characters such as the little sisters
http://www.computerbild.de/imgs/42490711_1c24d53100.jpg
and in the end it turns out the character you're playing is also under mind control..

http://www.thethoughts.co.uk/thoughts/bioshock-symbolism-and-mind-control/

brown velvet

16-07-2008, 04:51 PM

brown,

i see you've studied the subject longer than me, good to have you on board (you are on board, right ? :D)

same with me really, i always find myself coming back to fritzmeisters (like the word) work as it's by far the most thorough expose on MK i've yet come across.
shame they set him up and send him to jail, imagine what his next work on mk would have been like.

haven't heard any references to the games you mentioned and only looked at sonic at an (ma)sonic symbolism level but never with an Mk perspective.
however i've come across a few games with blatant MK references in them, one would be American McGee's alice

and another one i remember was bioshock where you had characters such as the little sisters

and in the end it turns out the character you're playing is also under mind control..

i remember springmeier writing about dungeons&dragons being used for mindcontrol or at least containing triggers/references..

maybe you find time and post your take on ribbons/dollhouse and gems. would be great :)

Hey soulja

yeah, I am on board, consider me on board :)
I have always deferred to the Fritzmeister, when I found out he had been incarcerated I was pretty PO (let alone how his wife and family re-acted) I think they took all his 'works' away too, all documentation etc.... and from what I can gather he's still in prison, do you know anything more about him? I also wonder where Cisco went, I mean their writings are so important... It is one thing to understand and explain as a Singleton, and an entirely different approach when the info is given from such a seemingly important System, the courage required etc... I have no clue what Cisco is up too atm.
I asked about the computer games because I suspect there is involvement with them, I have never seen mention of it at all, it is my own opinion and I am trying to see if I can find reference too them, I could be way off target, I am not sure. There is so much writing about what is done and how it is all done and so little about how to attempt to undo it. My thinking goes along with, if something has 'symbolism' in it, (eg (ma) Sonic) then whoever was doing the damage has intentionally placed something like that in to the System they are working on, which is why it becomes so effective as a 'direct hit / trig' on the System as they go about their daily difficult lives.... So, more like a double whammy, encouraging the 'mass MC' in one way, setting up whoever plays computer games plus a constant re-triggering to any System who finds themselves playing the game / encouraged to play the games? See what I mean, and it targets male and female, the 'veg' state of Singleton children who get home from school and actively do nothing but sit and play computer games, plus those who are given no choice but to play them, for long periods of time... and the two are very indistinct, which allows for it to carry on right under the noses of the people who have no concept of what has been done?

I liken the ribbon proging to a saying a friend of mine has, she says her ex has a 'head full of spagetti' and it is all over cooked and in a great big tangle... each strand of spagetti is a designated colour and piece of 'ribbon / direction / goal'.

*want image here* if it isn't, can someone tell me how to make it go where I want, not where it wants to go?

I think there are several / many different tangles, and to keep it as clear as I can, the other 'tangles' are different types of spagetti, so each tangle is a mass of colours but the colours even though they are consistant to each tangle, they are not always all used, and they are not always in the same colour order once you start to try to untangle them. I can only go off what I have read, so I have to assume for the time being that each colour is from a different 'room in the dollshouse', the dedicated 'evil doers' have managed to traumatise the System in to ensuring that the tangle occurs and then somehow locks that tangle in, like... here's your thought process, and to really do some damage, we (the MC progger and the System) together are going to ensure you will never get out of this as the processes required to work it all out are going to be the pieces of spagetti that are right in the middle of each tangle, cat's cradle in a massive knot, many times in the one System. All the ends of the most important parts stuck in the middle, and then knowing how 'smart' the MC Proggers are, probably make a vast part of the System colour blind. If the spagetti is also disturbed every time the System tries to 'think' then something trigs the tangle in to moving, like those walk ways in fair grounds, (a shifting / moving rainbow perhaps?) was the big scene in Grease (Travolta / Newton John, where she's become the seductress and he is the sweet innocent?) where you never know just what direction the ground is going to take you or place you in, always undermining predictive thoughts... mainly because there is no prediction in a tangle, constantly disorientated. How's this sounding? lol Do I sound mad? It's like the ultimate goal required is a rubicks cube, and in a System the idea is not to have all of the same colour on each side - which is how a Singleton has been taught to play it and supposedly the correct way, what if within a System the 'correct' way is each row is the same colour, or that there has to be one of each colour on every side? What with all the layering placed in to each System, and the 'superiority' of the Proggers who expect every Singleton who tries to help, to attempt to place the colours in 'their game order' which works externally for the vast majority of the population however would never work and possibly cause even more entanglement within the System.
So those are some of my thoughts on ribbons / dollshouse :D

Brown.

and I seem to have trouble placing images where I want them in my replies... so if this image is not where I have mentioned, please help me work the thing out? Thanks

hunkahunka

17-07-2008, 03:34 AM

http://www.beliefnet.com/imgs/features/witchfilm_oz.jpg
http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/reviews/wizardofwicked.jpg
http://www.yourcelebritystuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/ellen-degeneres-and-portia-de-rossi.jpg
http://www.ozfactors.com/web/PICTURES/Wiz%20of%20Oz/Dorothy%20&%20Witch.jpg

check out Boy George on a television talk show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L4wOyvZ2j4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ou-WEqdzdyE

http://www.turnmeondeadman.net/OZ/Sex.php
In Making Things Perfectly Queer: Interpreting Mass Culture, Alexander Doty interprets Dorothy's journey as a young lesbian's search for identity. The female characters she encounters represent the extremes of identity, with Auntie Em and Glinda representing the traditional and the feminine, while Almira Gulch and the Wicked Witch of the West represent the butch. [4] . The Wizard of Oz has particular significance for the gay and lesbian community. The rainbow flag was first used in the 1978 San Francisco Gay and Lesbian Freedom Day Parade. The rainbow flag has connotations of diversity and multicuilturalism, but perhaps the most important association with this symbol is with Judy Garland, who sang "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" in The Wizard of Oz and has become such an icon for the gay community. [5]

http://www.utopia-asia.com/spec/pgf05/butterfly.jpg
gay pride parade butterflies

http://newsanalysis1.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/eald-elton-john-fantastic.jpg.w560h511.jpg

hunkahunka

17-07-2008, 05:28 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE

I never went to business school. I was just bumbling through a lot of my life. I was like the guy behind the curtain in The Wizard of Oz.
-David Geffen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_David_Chapman

Following the murder, Chapman underwent dozens of assessments by different psychiatrists. He described his anger toward his father, who had regularly abused his mother, his identification with Holden Caulfield and with Dorothy of The Wizard of Oz, and his conferences with the "Little People", an imaginary set of people with whom he interacted and from whom he took guidance. He also provided a list of other celebrities he had thought about killing. Chapman later told journalist Jack Jones that he had told his "Little People" he intended to go to New York and kill John Lennon and they begged him not to, saying "Please, think of your wife. Please, Mr. President. Think of your mother. Think of yourself." Chapman says he told them his mind was made up, and that their reaction was silence.[7][/B]

soulja

17-07-2008, 12:03 PM

yeah, I am on board, consider me on board
I have always deferred to the Fritzmeister, when I found out he had been incarcerated I was pretty PO (let alone how his wife and family re-acted) I think they took all his 'works' away too, all documentation etc.... and from what I can gather he's still in prison, do you know anything more about him? I also wonder where Cisco went, I mean their writings are so important... It is one thing to understand and explain as a Singleton, and an entirely different approach when the info is given from such a seemingly important System, the courage required etc... I have no clue what Cisco is up too atm.

yea i heard the same about them taking all his documentations away and then that phony trial where they hit him with the highest sentence possible (i think)
as far as i know he's still in prison and will stay there for at least 3 more years or so. never heard of cisco ever since she seems to have dissapeared, same goes for svali. some claim they got to her. i don't know but i really hope it's not true.

I asked about the computer games because I suspect there is involvement with them, I have never seen mention of it at all, it is my own opinion and I am trying to see if I can find reference too them, I could be way off target, I am not sure.

i believe you're spot on and certainly agree with you on that one. it's (imo) pretty obvious that some games and who ever made them are clued up on MK history/techniques/symbols otherwise it wouldn't be in the game. it's just too accurate, too close to the truth to be coincidence, also the scale of it all.

There is so much writing about what is done and how it is all done and so little about how to attempt to undo it. My thinking goes along with, if something has 'symbolism' in it, (eg (ma) Sonic) then whoever was doing the damage has intentionally placed something like that in to the System they are working on, which is why it becomes so effective as a 'direct hit / trig' on the System as they go about their daily difficult lives.... So, more like a double whammy, encouraging the 'mass MC' in one way, setting up whoever plays computer games plus a constant re-triggering to any System who finds themselves playing the game / encouraged to play the games? See what I mean, and it targets male and female, the 'veg' state of Singleton children who get home from school and actively do nothing but sit and play computer games, plus those who are given no choice but to play them, for long periods of time... and the two are very indistinct, which allows for it to carry on right under the noses of the people who have no concept of what has been done?

yup, again i see it pretty much the same as you do. i mean once you understand the game (as in who runs the world) a bit (generally not just mk) then you can't be as naive to think all the symbolism in those games is coincidental, or playing to an conspiracy audience of sorts. no it's of course due the game companies being owned by the same force that owns all the rest, like the entertainment industry and so on. next step in logical thinking based on understanding - why wouldn't they use games to trigger Slaves, just like they use Music and TV ? of course they do.. like you said it works on two levels, one is directed at us (non MK's) distraction, desensitization, conditioning all that stuff. the other level is containing triggers/reinforcements of programing parts/themes for slaves. also i think often relating to their internal worlds/structures.

I liken the ribbon proging to a saying a friend of mine has, she says her ex has a 'head full of spagetti' and it is all over cooked and in a great big tangle... each strand of spagetti is a designated colour and piece of 'ribbon / direction / goal'.

lol.. wonder what my ex-gf would have to say about me :D

I think there are several / many different tangles, and to keep it as clear as I can, the other 'tangles' are different types of spagetti, so each tangle is a mass of colours but the colours even though they are consistant to each tangle, they are not always all used, and they are not always in the same colour order once you start to try to untangle them. I can only go off what I have read, so I have to assume for the time being that each colour is from a different 'room in the dollshouse', the dedicated 'evil doers' have managed to traumatise the System in to ensuring that the tangle occurs and then somehow locks that tangle in, like... here's your thought process, and to really do some damage, we (the MC progger and the System) together are going to ensure you will never get out of this as the processes required to work it all out are going to be the pieces of spagetti that are right in the middle of each tangle, cat's cradle in a massive knot, many times in the one System. All the ends of the most important parts stuck in the middle, and then knowing how 'smart' the MC Proggers are, probably make a vast part of the System colour blind. If the spagetti is also disturbed every time the System tries to 'think' then something trigs the tangle in to moving, like those walk ways in fair grounds, (a shifting / moving rainbow perhaps?) was the big scene in Grease (Travolta / Newton John, where she's become the seductress and he is the sweet innocent?) where you never know just what direction the ground is going to take you or place you in, always undermining predictive thoughts... mainly because there is no prediction in a tangle, constantly disorientated. How's this sounding? lol Do I sound mad? It's like the ultimate goal required is a rubicks cube, and in a System the idea is not to have all of the same colour on each side - which is how a Singleton has been taught to play it and supposedly the correct way, what if within a System the 'correct' way is each row is the same colour, or that there has to be one of each colour on every side? What with all the layering placed in to each System, and the 'superiority' of the Proggers who expect every Singleton who tries to help, to attempt to place the colours in 'their game order' which works externally for the vast majority of the population however would never work and possibly cause even more entanglement within the System.
So those are some of my thoughts on ribbons / dollshouse

i only sort of getting what you're saying here but that's probably down to me not having as much understanding as you do and also english isn't my first language so maybe that does it's part aswell. and i haven't looked much into the healing side of it all maybe because there isn't really a need for me to do so. i have read ciscos part of the book yes but i'm more focused on the control thingy, how it's done, what themes/triggers/symbols/techniques etc.. are used.
i guess this is part1 of the research before you can really go into part2 wich is how to dismantle it all, ''repair'' it so to speak.
as far as i have understood you you're talking bout the internal structuring of systems (or one particular system?) the way it kinda works, reacts to impulses and so on. i can follow you with the rubicks cube example, at least i think i can. and imo it makes sense that the programers will avoid structuring systems in a way a ''logical thinking'' outside person could work it out. this makes it hard for therapists to really heal people, at least on a deep level, who have undergone trauma based MK. what it really needs are people like svali and cisco who experienced it first hand or at least people like the fritzmeister who have a thorough understanding of the subject.

anyhow, i enjoyed reading your post..:)

*want image here* if it isn't, can someone tell me how to make it go where I want, not where it wants to go?

just click on the spot in your post you want the image to be and then click on the icon with the pyramids and sun (between the speech bubble and mail icon) wich will open a little window where you can past the link address into.

soulja

17-07-2008, 12:39 PM

http://www.crazy4olsentwins.com/public/content/2008/04/mary-kate-ashley-olsen-wearing-masks.jpg

t was such a huge gimmick during the wedding of Hollywood stylist Estee Stanley at the Oviatt Hotel in downtown Los Angeles when people began to wonder who were wearing those white masks during the event.

It was later found out that one of those individuals wearing those masks were the famous Olsen twins Mary-Kate and Ashley who were photographed by paparazzis as they walked down the street towards the venue accompanied by other people wearing the same mask.

remember that britney mouseears painting ?
same artist painted the olsen twins with butterflies covering their breasts.
http://www.anniekevans.com/images/Olsen-Twins%201000.jpg

soulja

17-07-2008, 12:41 PM

http://newsanalysis1.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/eald-elton-john-fantastic.jpg.w560h511.jpg

http://csil.appstate.edu/images/pagemaster/2005WLCpostersmaller.jpg

http://www.katychurchofchrist.com/images/yellowbrickroad2.jpg

http://www.yellowbrickroadappeal.org/images/index.jpg

http://pimpandhost.com/media/simple/7700/a2e818ae5254.jpg
http://pinkdreamz.thumblogger.com/home/log/2007/45/erica-campbell-jamie-ham.html

soulja

17-07-2008, 01:06 PM

The MKUltra mind-control project known as "Monarch" is so named because the Monarch butterfly learns where it was born (its roots) and it passes this knowledge via genetics on to its offspring.

EMINEM LYRICS

"Yellow Brick Road"

[Intro]
What we have to do is deal with it when these individuals are young enough. If you wish to be
saved, not in a religious sense but not to constitute what this country at times calls if or
which over. We seem to be approaching an age of the gross. We all have this idea that we should
move up from our parents station and each generation should do a little bit better.

[Verse 1- Eminem]
Come on, let's cut the bullshit enough
Let's get it started, let's start addressing this issue and open it up
Let's take this shit back to basement
And we can discuss statements thats made on this tape
And its whole origin of the music that we all know and love
The music that we all enjoy the music you all accuse me of tryna destroy
Let's rewind it to 89 when I was a boy on the east side of Detroit
Crossing 8 Mile into Warren, into hick territory
I'd like to share a story, this is my story and cant no body tell it for me
You will well inform me, I am well aware that I don't belong here
You've made that perfectly clear, I get my ass kicked damn near everywhere
From Bel-Air shopping center just for stopping in there
From the black side all the way to the white side
OK there's a bright side a day that I might slide
You may call it a past I call it hauling my ass
Through that patch of grass over them railroad tracks
Oh them railroad tracks, them old railroad tracks
Them good old notorious oh well known tracks

[Chorus x2]
So lets go back
Follow the yellow brick road (trigger)as we go on another episode
Journey with me as I take you through this nifty little place
I once used to call home sweet home

[Verse 2- Eminem]
I roam the streets so much they call me a drifter
Sometimes I stick up a thumb just to hitch hike
Just to get picked up to get me a lift to 8 mile and Van Dyke
And steal a god damn bike from somebody's backyard
And drop it off at the park that was the half way mark
To meet Kim had to walk back to her mama's on Chalmers after dark
To sneak me in the house when I'm kicked out my mom's
Thats about the time I first met Proof with Goofy Gary on the steps
At Osbourne handing out some flyers, he was doing some talent shows
At Centerline High, I had told him to stop by and check this out sometime
He looked at me like I'm out my mind shook his head like white boys don't know how to rhyme
I spit out a line and rhymed birthday with first place
And we both had the same rhymes that sound alike
We was on the same shit that Big Daddy Kane shit with compound syllables sound combined
From that day we was down to ride somehow we knew we'd meet again somewhere down the line

[Chorus x2]
So lets go back
Follow the yellow brick road as we go on another episode
Journey with me as I take you through this nifty little place
I once used to call home sweet home

[Verse 3- Eminem]
My first year in 9th grade, can't forget that day at school
It was cool till your man MC Shan came through
And said that Puma's The Brand 'cause the clan makes troops
It was rumors but man, god damn, they flew
Must've been true because man we done banned they shoes
I had the new ones the Cool J, Ice land swayed too
And we just through them in the trash like they yesterday's news
Guess who came through next, X-clan debut
Professor X vanglorious exists in a state of red, black, and green
With a key sissies now with this being a new trend
We don't fit in crackers is out with Cactus albums
Blackness is in, African symbols and medallions
Represents black power and we ain't know what it meant
Me and my man Howard and Butter, we would go to the mall with 'em
All over our necks like we're showing 'em off not knowing at all
We was being laughed at you ain't even half black
You ain't supposed to have that homie let me grab that
And that Flavor Flave clock we gonna have to snatch that
All I remember is meeting back at Manix's basement
saying how we hate this, how racist but dope the x clan's tape is...
Which reminds me back in 89 me and Kim broke up for the first time
She was tryna two time me and there was this black girl
At our school who thought I was cool cause I rapped so she was kinda eyeing me
And oh the irony guess what her name was ain't even gonna say it plus
The same color hair as hers was and blue contacts and a pair of jugs
The bombest god damn girl in our whole school if I could pull it
Not only would I become more popular but I would be able to piss Kim off at the same time
But it backfired I was supposed to dump her but she dumped me for this black guy
And thats the last I ever seen or heard or spoke to the oh foolish pride girl
But I've heard people say they heard the tape and it ain't that bad
But it was I singled out a whole race and for that apologize
I was wrong cause no matter what color a girl is she's still a hoe

[Chorus x2]
So lets go back
Follow the yellow brick road as we go on another episode
Journey with me as I take you through this nifty little place
I once used to call home sweet home

he Monarch program is a mind control program. It is named after the Monarch butterfly, because, just as the butterfly changes its form - metamorphoses - so the controllers trance-form the mind and personality of their subjects.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a371/Souljahtru/BBmkUltraMOnarc/morph_ffrweb.jpg

interesting fleur-de-lis (bloodline) monarch hybrid logo this school has
http://www.sjoa.org/SJA-School/SJOA-SCH%3A_Monarch_Symbol_files/SJA-MONARCH.jpg

The Story of the Monarch as our Symbol:

We needed to create an identity for the school (clubs, teams, programs) to which the students, families and faculty could relate—offering a source of pride and meaning—connecting to the overall SJA Church identity—Fleur de Lis.

Our Commitment: Transforming Students into Young Leaders

We selected a metaphor—the Monarch butterfly—that addresses the spirit of the school’s activities—transformation.
http://www.sjoa.org/SJA-School/SJOA-SCH ... ymbol.html

emerald

17-07-2008, 01:22 PM

Extremely interesting thread, wish it become like "THE NEWS BEHIND THE NEWS". Keep up the good work! Here's another "CANDY" addition:
http://omg.yahoo.com/videos/hayden-panettiere-sexy-photo-shoot/4615?nc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candie%27s

hunkahunka

17-07-2008, 03:42 PM

http://thingsyoushoulddo.com/wp2/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/rainbow-bar-and-grill.jpg

From Wikipedia

Rainbow Bar and Grill

The Rainbow

The Rainbow Bar and Grill is a bar and restaurant on the Sunset Strip in West Hollywood, California, adjacent to the border of Beverly Hills, California is located at 9015 Sunset.

The bottom level of the Rainbow is the restaurant, The Rainbow Bar and Grill. Upstairs is an exclusive club called "Over the Rainbow". The Over the Rainbow consists of a full bar, dance floor, and a DJ booth. The club is usually reserved for musicians and others to whom the bouncers allow access. It is a very select crowd.

It was originally owned by film director Vincente Minnelli, at the time married to Judy Garland. It quickly became known as a hangout for celebrities of all types. John Belushi ate his last meal (Lentil Soup) at table #16, and Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe had their first date at the Rainbow.

In the 1960s and 1970s, it became known as a hangout for rock musicians, especially those of the highest level of celebrity, and those who would follow them including groupies. Notable regulars at the Rainbow in this period include John Lennon, Keith Moon, Grace Slick, Ringo Starr, Neil Diamond, Janis Joplin, Led Zeppelin, Lizzy Valentine and many others. Even Elvis Presley was known to have occasionally visited the Rainbow. The musical group Rainbow was named after this club.

"The Rainbow is a landmark on the Sunset Strip in Hollywood, California. More Rock ‘n Roll history has taken place in this establishment than in most cities in the United States combined. The Rainbow name has become a staple for many of today’s bands including the Beatles, the Doors, Motley Crue, Led Zeppelin, the Rolling Stones, Motorhead and Ozzy Osbourne. “Everybody who is anybody has been there.”

Upstairs is a members-only club called ---what else?--- Over The Rainbow, which caters to pop stars, record execs and anybody else from downstairs who can somehow talk their way in (not easy; they've been known to turn away the likes of John Entwistle)

The Club was once frequented by Blackie Dammett, father of Anthony Kiedis. Kiedis later went on to help found the band the Red Hot Chili Peppers. In his book "Scar Tissue", Kiedis mentions that he often sat with his father and various members of bands such as Led Zeppelin.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1492057/10072004/red_hot_chili_peppers.jhtml

Scar Tissue- by Anthony Kiedis

With the help of co-writer Larry Sloman, Kiedis traces his descent into drug addiction and his repeated attempts to kick the habit. Along the way, he finds his way into the Hollywood elite, thanks to his father, a drug-dealer-turned-actor.

Kiedis said the book came about because he'd been telling these stories for so long to his friends, and they were always "mystified" that before he was even a teenager, he was doing drugs and hobnobbing with rock royalty like Keith Moon, Alice Cooper and Led Zeppelin at the Rainbow Room on the Sunset Strip. In one memorable baby-sitting episode, a naked Cher crawled into bed with him when he was in the eighth grade.

soulja

17-07-2008, 06:14 PM

great post hunkahunka, very interesting!

Lily Cole (Lily is a code for bloodline like Rose)
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/22103.jpghttp://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/lilycole.jpg

Cole was born in England, and raised in London with her sister Elvie. A chance encounter began her modeling career when she was fourteen. She was walking through the streets of Soho after a hamburger with friends when scout-turned actor Benjamin Hart approached her. Cole ran, fearing she was being chased by 'some dodgy guy' but after being asked to consider modeling, she accepted and was signed on with Storm Models, the mother agency of supermodels such as Kate Moss.

Modeling career

Cole's big break came in 2003 when her long legs, pale skin and fiery red hair caught photographer Steven Meisel's eye. It was on that photoshoot, her first 'only girl' story for Italian Vogue, that Cole was catapulted into the spotlight as one of the leading new faces of the year. Since then, Cole has worked with many other prominent photographers, including Craig McDean, Nick Knight, Juergen Teller, Arthur Elgort, and Irving Penn.

Cole is featured in top fashion magazines such as Vogue (American, Italian, British, Japanese and Korean), Citizen K, and V. She has also appeared on the cover of Numero and three for British Vogue. In November 2004, the British Fashion Awards named her 'Model of the Year'. Additionally, Cole has appeared in advertising campaigns for designers such as Chanel, Christian Lacroix, Hermès, Longchamp, Cacharel, Topshop, and Anna Sui Cosmetics, as well as being the face for Moschino's perfume 'I Love Love.'

She is a common sight on the catwalks of the international runway circuit and has walked many top shows- Chanel, DKNY, Jean Paul Gaultier, Versace, Alexander McQueen, John Galliano, and Louis Vuitton, to name a few. People who worked with her say she is warm and friendly in person[citation needed].

Cole is part of the group of supermodels who have "doll-like" or "elfin" features[citation needed] along with Heather Marks, Gemma Ward, and Devon Aoki. She is also one of the few red-headed models with very successful careers,[citation needed] others being Cintia Dicker, Jessica Stam (who currently sports blond hair), Karen Elson, and Alice Burdeu.

Cole was announced as the follow up model for Accessorize, taking the place of model Claudia Schiffer. Cole also designed a line of handbags for the collection. She also appears in the video for Girls Aloud and Sugababes' cover of "Walk This Way" in aid of comic relief.

Most recently British Fashion Awards nominated Cole for 'Model of the Year' for the second time, but the award was given to Agyness Deyn.

Cole was on the Sunday Times Rich List in 2007 with an estimated net worth of £6 million. She ranked 83rd richest young person in Britain.

She is now one of the models in the Marks and Spencer clothes advertising campaign, becoming the youngest model to ever do a campaign for the line.

Cole will be an additional face for cosmetics Rimmel London along with Kate Moss.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/Moschino5.jpg

Film career

In February 2006, Indiewire.com broke the news that Marilyn Manson planned to star Cole in his upcoming movie Phantasmagoria: The Visions of Lewis Carroll as Alice. Shorts from the movie have been featured on his website and a feature length film is also planned.

In April 2007, it was announced that she would play the role of Polly in the new St. Trinian's film, alongside Rupert Everett, Colin Firth, Jodie Whittaker and Stephen Fry.

Cole was signed to play the role of Valentina in The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, directed by Terry Gilliam and scripted by Gilliam and his regular writing partner Charles McKeown. Co-stars included Christopher Plummer, Johnny Depp, Heath Ledger, Tom Waits, and Verne Troyer. The film was due out in 2009, but after Ledger's death, production was postponed.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/lily_cole23.jpg

The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus is an upcoming American fantasy-adventure mystery film directed by Terry Gilliam and written by Gilliam and screenwriter Charles McKeown. In the film, the leader of a traveling theater troupe, through a deal with the Devil, takes audience members through a magical mirror to explore their imaginations. Christopher Plummer, Tom Waits and Heath Ledger star in the film, though the death of Ledger midway through filming caused production to be temporarily suspended. Ledger's role was recast with Johnny Depp, Jude Law and Colin Farrell portraying physically changed transformations of Ledger's character as he travels through dimensions. The projected release date for this film is 2009.
http://www.product-reviews.net/wp-content/userimages/2008/01/heath-ledgers-latest-movie-the-imaginarium-of-doctor-panassus-has-been-suspended.jpghttp://bp1.blogger.com/_TY3EzuetPjg/R94TE3NSMaI/AAAAAAAAAVg/u5wL7As1nsM/s1600/heath-ledger-clown.jpg
http://www.smart.co.uk/dreams/parndes2.jpg
http://www.smart.co.uk/dreams/parnprev.htm

brown velvet

17-07-2008, 08:18 PM

Hey :)

another 'imaganitive' film from Gilliam.... bet that actor dying was a great boon to the 'gossip mongers' and Depp to step in, along with Willy, Edward and Sweeny, makes me sick, when you know, you know? Ignorance is so much easier lolol

Brown.

hunkahunka

17-07-2008, 08:41 PM

http://whatsupnyc.com/blog/archives/logansrun.jpg

http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/1364827626193572.JPG?0.25409615200301483

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WUUnc1M0TA
Logan's Run 1976

York plays Logan, a man with a problem: He's a 29-year-old bounty hunter who collects the people who didn't submit to state mandated euthanasia when they hit the age of 30 -- and tomorrow is his birthday. Large futuristic sets, great special effects and Ustinov highlight this episodic, intriguing vision of the near future.

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owNi60LLK1c
This television series portrays a futuristic society where citizens are only allowed to live until age 30. Logan is a Sandman (police assassin) who is 26 years old; he decides to try to escape to freedom and a mythical place called 'Sanctuary.' He is pursued by his former friend, another Sandman, who attempts to terminate him.

also see the 'carousel'; scene here (set to crappy amateur metal unfortunately) where the people set to be executed fly like
butterflies into the air and are ceremoniously lasered to death:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTGvY5Vs998

eternal_spirit

17-07-2008, 08:59 PM

Hey great post brown velvet I think you explained the ribbon thing well, I was only reading that part of Cisco and Fritz the other night :)

An easy way of posting a pic if you use firefox highlight pic then copy and paste into your reply here. If that don't work try copy image then paste into here. If not lol the other way will take some explaining!

BTW maybe bit off track with this one but the colours maybe rainbows again.

Angus Young guitarist reports say when he goes on stage to play live it's as though another force takes over sure most people have seen him dance/run around shaking his head etc and managing to keep a tune going is some feat.

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/510oasvdvsL.jpg

miss_splitfoot

18-07-2008, 01:04 AM

kylie minogue - Impossible Princess
http://bp3.blogger.com/_kRKai8rGj9w/Rv6rmTTizEI/AAAAAAAABBQ/8vkPb1Tpz-4/s320/Kylie+Minogue+-+(1997)+Impossible+Princess.jpg

kylie - Butterfly Remixes

http://bp0.blogger.com/_kRKai8rGj9w/Rv-TtTTizRI/AAAAAAAABC0/vMo2iI5l9SI/s320/Kylie+Minogue+-+Butterfly+Remixes.JPG

http://www.comeintomyworld.eu/blog/Kylie_06.jpg

soulja

18-07-2008, 02:10 AM

Kylie Minogue receives OBE from Prince Charles
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/2240593/Kylie-Minogue-receives-OBE-from-Prince-Charles.html

http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/540666/480/Yabanci-KeyFMp3/Kylie-Minogue---Butterfly-Vol.One.jpg

http://media.canada.com/0784bb05-ab0e-4bd2-aec9-4ccd77e2817b/sun1126%20kylie%20minogue.jpg
here she wears a mask may even shaped like a butterfly if you like and also note the finger on her lips making the sign of secrecy, silence/no talk trigger.

same here
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2209/2051508427_82a1f6d6fb.jpg

also emphasis is put on her left eye..

this whole left eye or one eye emphasis thingy is something i see alot, i'll post about this tomorrow, pretty tired now so i'm off to bed.

btw welcome miss_splitfoot :)

hunkahunka

18-07-2008, 02:46 AM

http://www.illustrated-db-discography.nl/12inch/pix/CP_oz2.jpg

http://www.5years.com/mikepalmer5.jpg
David Bowie (left)
Rainbow Theatre Concert (19 August 1972)

miss_splitfoot

18-07-2008, 03:38 AM

btw welcome miss_splitfoot :)

why, thankyou ;)

i do believe Ms Minogue performed "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" on her Showgirls tour

The star, wearing a cream dress decorated with stars and gold high-heeled sandals, shared a joke with the Prince as he gave her the award.

oh, i just bet she did ;)

miss_splitfoot

18-07-2008, 04:11 AM

David Bowie (left)
Rainbow Theatre Concert (19 August 1972)

nah, nothing dodgy about David Bowie:
http://www.morethings.com/music/david_bowie/david-bowie-112.jpg

with Burroughs:
http:///www.morethings.com/music/david_bowie/david-bowie-110.jpg

http://www.morethings.com/music/david_bowie/david-bowie-140.jpg

http://www.morethings.com/music/david_bowie/david-bowie-179.jpg

http://www.morethings.com/music/david_bowie/david-bowie-190.jpg

http://www.morethings.com/music/david_bowie/david-bowie-208.jpg

http://www.morethings.com/music/david_bowie/david-bowie-221.jpg

http://www.morethings.com/music/david_bowie/david-bowie-231.jpg

mind you, he[I] has got a bit of a wonky eye thing going on. naaaah.

hunkahunka

18-07-2008, 10:27 AM

amazing Bowie pics

this is incredible what is unfolding here.

has Springmeir written anything on space alien-based indentity programming ?
I suspect that alien based stuff is another one of their programs, as it seems to turn up quite frequently in these circles.
ie: instead of going 'over the rainbow' to escape the torture into another alter personality, the mk victim would be going 'onto the ship' or 'out into space' into another alter personality. I think this is likely done in a religious context too.
The Christian victim can 'escape into heaven', or the satanist victim can 'escape into hell', when God or Satan call to them. At a guess, this religion-based programming is the oldest form of them all, and likely the largest too.

soulja

18-07-2008, 11:32 AM

here he wrote a bit about how many of those alien abductions are actually perpetrated by humans..

There are dozens of technical articles on a whole host of subjects relating to the implants. This is a vast subject that really needs its own book. FOR FURTHER STUDY of the big SUBJECT of IMPLANTS the reader is directed for starts to the FOLLOWING ARTICLES: ‘Scotland on Sunday, 2 April 1995, had an article about how U.S. and Swedish scientists have pioneered a method to graft neurons to a computer chip. Stanford University, CA helped with this. A person can now be “hot-wired” to a computer, such as Arnold Schwartzenegger in the film Total Recall. ·LA Times, 8/17/94, article about the Hughes Identification Device which is a tracking implant (microchip) which is called SmartDevice. 6 million/per year are planned to be quietly inserted into people during surgery. ‘In a recent article “Alien-Human Interactions: the Facts and Propaganda” by Karla Turner, she points out that many alien abductees (like herself) are “monitored and harassed by human agents of some sort and the cases of phone and mail surveillance are only part of the story.... He was compelled by some post-hypnotic suggestion.. .there is strong external evidence that these events have been carried out by strictly human agents and not by aliens giving the illusion of a military presence.” She goes on to explain about the implants, wires & tubes that are put in victims of “alien abductions”. Karla Turner doesn’t know that she is a victim of trauma-based mind control, but she’s getting close to understanding what she has been subjected to. ‘The Journal, Alexandria, VA, Nov. 8, 1995, carried a story “Surgeon, a UFO buff operated and found...” The story was by Steve Chawkins of the Scripps Howard News Service. The article talks about a Ventura, CA surgeon who has removed implants from abduction victims. The implanted items that are removed from victims, disappear when sent in for tests to determine what they are.>·Relevance Magazine-art. on Beh. Mod. implants. >·Fortean Times #83, Oct.-Nov. ‘95 article on Russia’s mind control called PIS which is similar to America’s

now to the more interesting info

In the beginning, the programmer must bring order out of the chaos he has created. He must use some type of structure to place worlds. In recent years, these have been solar systems, galaxies, and planets, because they have gone to Star Trek, Star Wars, Alien types of programming.

STANDARD ROLES WITHIN AN ILLUMINATI MONARCH SLAVE

(Note: that depending upon what the System’s occupation in life is, also determines some of the types of alters created. If the System is a politician, they will need special alters to deal with certain secret activities. If the System is a baseball pitcher, they will need alters that are trained to pitch.)

Alien alters for contact, bonding w/ aliens, & acceptance of mock alien invasion

http://www.morethings.com/music/david_bowie/david-bowie-221.jpg

Angel (imitation) alters for divine messages, these may be seen as Spirit Guide alters

Angry alters

Animal alters who are meant to act like animals

Assassination alters (Deltas)

Babysitter alters to look after keep them from popping out inappropriately

Blackmail alters (Betas, and Black Widows)

Bird alters (used for half a dozen various internal purposes, including ravens for suicide, doves for peace, orks to fly over

the internal mazes, owls for wisdom, etc. The dove may be part of a false trinity.)

Child alters

Clockmaker & Clockholder alters (Also the Grim reaper may be associated with the clocks.)

Core related alters to imitate or protect the core from anything

Coven alters to lead coven level meetings

Courier alters (Carrier Pigeons)

Data alters to hold information (this encompasses a wide range of alters, including alters who hold internal system information to alters who hold information for their masters.

Deaf & Dumb alters to prevent the System from hearing non-approved users say access codes.

Death alters to take near death traumas

Element alters (Alr or Wind, Water, Earth, Fire) for magick & compliance

Espionage alters

Firechild or Bombchild alters to make body feel like its burning

Flooding alters (often flooding comes simply from Shadow fragments)

Foreign Language alters

Front alters for a good cover

Gatekeeper alters to guard portals and gates

Guard (or Blocker) alters to guard important areas of the System

Justice alters--alters who mete out justice for disobedient alters

Hierarchy alters to take part in Illuminati hierarchy ceremonies (there will be a big demand for many of these alters--different ceremonies and different times of the year are given different alters).

Hunts, alters created for the master’s sport of being hunted

Loyalty alters which hold strong love & devotion to the master

Martial Arts alters to protect the System if need be

Mirror image alters, for deception

Monster alters to scare the other alters

Mouse alters to run the clocks (computer, and grids)

Nothing alters, alters who believe they are nobody, or Mr. Nobody, or “no-name.

Observation alters (these deep alters quietly observe all that goes on in an alter system. They may be called Watchers.)

Programmers, Internal (alters cloned after the original programmers to reprogram the System, also known as Internalists.)

Programming alters to help Illuminati program

Protector alters to protect almost everything in the System (essentially nothing is left unprotected in the System.) In some systems, these alters may even be known in the System as Warrior & Infiltration Alters. They may include such titles as Keeper to the Pit.

Ribbon Alters to send messages from computers to System areas

Reporting alters to give the master reports regularly, esp. important to monitor all activity by a therapist

Ruling alters, such as Queens & Kings

Run/return to master alters

Satanic hierarchy alters, to insure that system is controlled by Satan

Sexual alters (kittens for porn, S&M, etc.)

Scrambling alters to prevent alters from hearing

Shell alters (to hide real alters from therapists)

Suicide alters (clowns, Russian Roulette alters, etc.)

Tranced, (alters tranced deeply to move up and trance the body)

Travel alters, which can sleep during travel or be oblivious to where they are going

THE STRUCTURING DONE IN MONARCH STAR TREK & STAR WARS PROGRAMMING

The original Monarch programming often used the Wizard of Oz books and film as the basic programming. The Alice and Wonderland story then was overlaid, along with many other fictional fairy tales to complete the Mind Control of a Monarch Mind-controlled slave. However, in recent years a superior story line has appeared. It has more flexibility and more secrecy. This is the Star Trek series. In recent years, Star Trek is being used as a basis of programming. Those who are programmed with Star Trek programming can attend annual Star Trek Conventions which are held in New York City since 1972. The child’s mind is tortured until the point they will accept anything. They are told to build certain structures in their mind. These structures may be castles, or rivers or submarines or airfields, etc. In the case of Star Trek programming they have detailed maps and diagrams that have been created to go along with the Star Trek program. (The real reason or the ulterior motive of these Star Trek maps was to create a blueprint for programming. Some pages of these are included for you to look at.) Then particular alters are placed within these structures, and they are hypnotically given cues that will pull them to the front of the mind when the alpha-numeric cue is said. Many of the more secret alters can only be accessed by a combination of several different cues which go to different senses--such as the person must be in a corner contacting 3 points, a certain ring must be turned & a certain code said for the alter to come forth. The advantages of the Star Trek story line is that a. almost any type of scenario can be fit into the programming script because the Star Trek characters in the series, encounter about anything imaginable, b. have holograms, which can serve as substitutes for mirror images in the programming, c. alien programming can be introduced in order to promote the mock alien invasion being planned by the Illuminati, and d. the Star Trek series has its own language which can be used for trigger codes, which Monarch slaves can study, and learn. The use of this klingon language will make it very difficult for ordinary people to break into the slave’s programming. Michael Aquino, Satanist and Colonel in the U.S. army, has enjoyed using Star Wars for programming. Aquino wrote his own version of the Star Wars, which he uses for programming. The programmer becomes Darth Vader, which then is reproduced as an alter within the victim. In the Star Trek series, Data was a dehumanized “person” who stored vast amounts of information. Monarch slaves are always created with libraries, and volumes of information. This information is stored in various ways and can be retrieved in a variety of ways. Data of Star Trek lends himself to become the model for an alter of a Monarch system to copy. In other words the child is shown Data, and is steered in the right direction to create an internal person named Data. Any child if it is drugged, tortured, threatened with death if they don’t follow directions, with weakened and confused minds will get to the point where the child will create a Data alter in its mind, rather than die. Once in place, the Data alter will think of itself as the movie character. Every time the child sees Star Trek or pictures of Data, it will reinforce the programming. The transformer room technique of beaming in Star Trek is what magicians have tried to do for centuries and which has been called “bi-location-physical projection” as well as other things. This is said in magic to be mental control over the molecules of the body via demonic power. Whether magicians have ever done this, who knows, some certainly claim the power. The Illuminist is a power structure placed into some Monarch slaves. It is constructed from parts of numerous demons, rather like a demonic Frankenstein, & is portrayed in Star Trek, the Next Gener. as the crystalline body. A cartoon series was created for Star Trek. In this series, children watch such things as Kirk in a magical universe of Megas-tu which has a Guardian of Forever. Two other spin-out shows were Deep Space Nine and S.T. Voyager. In other words, a child could watch 5 different Star Trek series. If the child’s parents had cable T.V. the child be virtually immersed into the various Star Trek shows. Unfortunately, some of the children who have been programmed with this are doing exactly that.Fritz has personally worked with someone who has Star Trek programming. They sit for hours and immerse themselves totally into all kinds of Star Trek details. We have two Star Trek Technical Manuals. Fritz’s father is an engineer and designed quite a few things. Fritz himself has worked as a manual/computer draftsperson for the Federal Highway Administration as well as for his father off and on over the years. Based on that experience, he realizes the enormous amount of work that went into these Technical Manuals for the Star Trek series is simply mindboggling. One manual is 183 pages and the other is in the neighborhood of 250 pages. The amount of engineering and computer drafting that went into these manuals is astonishing. Why did someone go to such extremes? These manuals are as good as if NASA were planning to build an Enterprise spaceship. The plans are done more professionally than engineering designs that we have seen groups like the United Nations drawing up. Why did all this engineering, design and drafting happen for a fictional T.V. show? To create a book to sell? The books.. could hardly be best sellers. One originally sold for $13 U.S. and the other for $6.95. One reason so much work and money was put into these Technical Manuals is that they are used for programming helpless victims of the Monarch Mind-Control

in the deeper insights book he wrote a lot more about alien programing and so on.
http://mirrors.wordsforgood.org/educate-yourself.org/mc/deeperinsightsbook.shtml
just make a site search on 'alien' and read through the relevant parts.

soulja

18-07-2008, 11:38 AM

Madonna: Space Alien From The Future
http://galleryoftheabsurd.typepad.com/14/images/outtriangle.jpg
http://galleryoftheabsurd.typepad.com/14/2006/10/madonna_space_a.html

soulja

18-07-2008, 12:46 PM

Logan's Run 1976

York plays Logan, a man with a problem: He's a 29-year-old bounty hunter who collects the people who didn't submit to state mandated euthanasia when they hit the age of 30 -- and tomorrow is his birthday. Large futuristic sets, great special effects and Ustinov highlight this episodic, intriguing vision of the near future.

cathy O'brien wrote in her book that she was often reminded that sex slaves get killed around the age of 30, or like the programmers call it ''thrown off the freedom train''

soulja

18-07-2008, 01:03 PM

same here
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2209/2051508427_82a1f6d6fb.jpg

also emphasis is put on her left eye..

this whole left eye or one eye emphasis thingy is something i see alot, i'll post about this tomorrow, pretty tired now so i'm off to bed.

I'm not 100 percent sure what it excately means but like i said i notice this kind of symbolism quite alot.
imo it's referring to mindcontrol and/or possesion of some sorts.

theres a programing technique used were the victim is forced to watch high speed films. on one eye they're shown good films and on the other horror films. it's known as split brain programming.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/umaheader-thumb.jpg
Uma Thurman, her left eye is looking through butterfly wings.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/coshiva_280408.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/butterfly_front_internet.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/new/Cursed.gif
here we see claw marks over the left eye (remember the claw tats on eve for example)

similar theme in the next one
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/curse_einblick.jpg
emphasis is put on the left eye and the artist is called ''Curse''
also you could see it as a crying eye. (the eye that was shown the horrific stuff?)

like here
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/motposter.jpg

and here
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/Moschino5.jpg

if you look at the madonna-alien pic i've posted you'll also see only one eye of her.

soulja

18-07-2008, 01:23 PM

the memento mori could be a trigger/reminder for Mk slaves who get constantly reminded that their time is running out.
that's also often symbolized by an hourglass.

watched a movie called ''the golden compass''
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/tn2_golden_compass_the_4.jpg

the main character is given this golden compass wich is full of symbols. there's one scene where she looks at the compass and says something along the lines of '' look what symbol is this? oh it's an hourglass with skull''
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/mk/golden-compass-704987.png
http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2007_His_Dark_Materials:_The_Golden_Compass/2007_his_dark_materials_golden_compass_007.jpg

infact there's a alot going on in this flick relating to MK imo. for one it's all set in an alternate world where everyone is accompanied by a daemon, a physical representation of their soul in animal form. they even call it deamon in the movie. and it's mostly cute little animals. then you have this vatican/nazi style organization called '' the ministerium'' who conduct research on children at an base in the arctic. you have groups like the gypsis who are pirate like clans with a king. alot more going on, interesting watch if you know a bit about the illuminatis gnostic beliefs and of course MK.

soulja

18-07-2008, 02:08 PM

this is a post i made about a year ago and seeing as this thread is now about MK in all it's forms i think it fits in here. had to split it due the 10 images limit.

Mary Poppins

This story is all about the Illuminati and the way they raise their own. in short it's about mind control. it was written by Pamela Lyndon Travers, born Helen Lyndon Goff in Maryborough, Queensland, Australia, to bank manager Travers Robert Goff and Margaret Agnes. She was made an Officer of the Order of the British Empire in 1977. She died in London in 1996.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._L._Travers
so she was a banker's child plus her lifework seems to have pleased the Queen. hence she was made a Officer of the BO.
now let's take a look at her famous creation, the magical Nanny, Mary Poppins.
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Mary Poppins, published 1934
The first book introduces the Banks family, consisting of Mr. Banks and Mrs. Banks and their children Jane, Michael, and baby twins John and Barbara. When the children's nanny Katie Nana storms out in a huff, Mary Poppins arrives at their home, complete with her travelling carpetbag, blown by a very strong wind. She accepts the job and the children soon learn that their nanny, though she is stern, vain and almost always cross, has a magical touch that makes her wonderful. Among the things Jane and Michael experience are a tea party on a ceiling with Mr. Wiggs, travelling around the world with a compass, buying gingerbread stars from the extremely old Mrs. Corry, a birthday party at the zoo among the animals, and Christmas shopping with a star

the BANKs family, well they are rich, have no time for their kids and the father works in the City of London! they're bankers. their kids gave the old Nanny a hard time and she leaves but then Mary Poppins arrives and turns things around. how does she arrive?
with a strong wind one name of the illuminati is Moriah the all conquering wind.
mary comes with the wind because she's an illuminati witch/programer. she has the umbrella, the witchhat, and the doctoresque bag. now those symbols will be popping up again and again so don't dismiss them right away.
Mary has that ''magical touch'' that makes her wonderful. well they mean her skill in mindcontrol, for an outstander Mk could be considered Magic, it makes her wonderful because skilled people like that are valued inside the illuminati. they are essential in preparing the offspring for their future role inside the organization. without Mk that whole cardhouse would fall apart. the banks also have twins, another recurring theme in MK. the illuminati think twins have special powers.

Mary Poppins Comes Back, published 1935
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Nothing has been right since Mary Poppins left Number Seventeen Cherry Tree Lane. One day when Mrs. Banks sends the children out to the park, Michael flies his kite up into the clouds. Everyone is surprised when it comes down bringing Mary Poppins as a passenger, who returns to the Banks home and takes charge of the children once again. This time Jane and Michael meet the fearsome Ms. Andrew, experience an upside-down tea and visit a circus in the sky. There is also a new addition to the Banks family with little Annabel.

notice that things go wrong as soon as she left so she has to come back again and put things right. i.e continue the Mk on the children, because if you don't continue it after a while the programming cracks. its important to MK kids throughout their childhood to get the wished results. total mind control.

Mary Poppins Opens the Door, published 1943
When Mary last left the Banks children in Cherry Tree Lane, she took a "return ticket, just in case". In the third book she returns to the park in front of Cherry Tree Lane the way she came, falling with fireworks. Once again she takes up nanny duties in the Banks household and leads Jane, Michael, John and Barbara on various adventures. This time they visit her uncle Mr. Twigley, befriend a statue who has come to life, go riding on peppermint horses and experience a garden party under the sea.

and the third book in the series.. also to note, all those crazy, magical adventures she experiences with the Banks kids. that's another clue for mind control, also important the address of the banks household. it's Number Seventeen Cherry-Tree Lane. now i don't really understand the code but the 17 will be coming up again.

there more characters to the story and they all add to the occult vibe of the book, Admiral and his Pirate wife, also for example we have the episode with Miss Andrew, known as the Holy Terror, and the story evolves around her moving into the beloved (by all) house number 18, Chery tree lane. one of the many examples, if you know a bit about the illuminati and their mind control then i'm sure you'll pick up alot more..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Poppins

and with most ''good'' Mk scripts wrapped up in a magical story, at one point Disney got their hands on it. what follows are movies, theater plays, and all that stuff.
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http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/dick_van_dyke2.jpg

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/piccolo7510.jpg
butterflies and birds (Project bluebird) pop up again and again when it comes to mindcontrol, so no surprise they seem to follow our Mary around.
she lands on the brickroad, she's dressed like a witch. and we have all those red and purple flowers around because being a Witch/Programmer in the illuminati means of course she is bloodline. and then there is the Umbrella. some might say she needs the umbrella to fly around. well yes and no.. she uses the umbrella to fly with the wind because that's a symbolic way of saying the illuminati (wind) send nanny(programmer) to the banks (bloodline) household, with her tools and skillz the bag and umbrella. it's about mindcontrol..

Official CIA documents describe MK-ULTRA as an 'umbrella project' with 149 'sub-projects'.

Mary poppins is a Programmer, she is skilled in MK, now the Mk they put their offspring through is a carefully worked out package of all the MK methods around. so roughly the umbrella stands for MK Ultra wich stands for every Mk method they understand/use.

that brings me to the Modern day Mary Poppins, Jo Frost! better known as:
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/supernanny2.jpg

Jo Frost is not only the star of the TV show but also author of a companion book to the series, Supernanny: How to Get the Best from Your Children (Hyperion Books), which spent 17 weeks on The New York Times bestseller list.
that 17 again..

Hailed by the New York Times as "fascinating" and "required viewing," praised by Oprah Winfrey, David Letterman and Kelly Ripa, acclaimed by such publications as Newsweek, The Hollywood Reporter and The New Yorker, and lauded by parents and nannies across America, Supernanny is a hit. Jo Frost, as Supernanny, can tame the wildest toddler, soothe the savage six-year-old and get the most difficult child to overcome problems with behavior, sleep, mealtime, potty training and other challenges that have vexed parents around the world for centuries. After just three episodes of the show aired in the U.K. in summer 2004, Jo Frost became Britain's hottest new TV star and a godsend to desperate parents who were dazzled by her amazing results with unruly children. She debuted in America in early 2005 and captivated Americans as well with her practical, no-nonsense style, honed over 16 years of nannying.

Supernanny is now an international phenomenon; it airs in over 47 (note how they don't give the excat number but say over 47 just to get their 11 ;) )territories, almost all of them with Frost as Supernanny. The series was nominated for a People's Choice Award and an International Emmy, and Jo's books, Supernanny: How to Get the Best from Your Children and the follow-up, Ask Supernanny: What Every Parent Wants to Know, were both New York Times bestsellers.
http://abc.go.com/primetime/supernanny/index?pn=about

talking bout something they really want to push down our throats. i mean you can tell as soon as someone is pushed by Oprah, but supernanny is hyped everywhere!

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/supernanny22x28.jpg
dressed in purple she smilingly shows us what she can do with her umbrella(mk). she leans on the umbrella, means she builds on his ''power'' to achieve the results.
like they say themselves she transforms children. the positioning of her feet and the recruiting being done in the OAK Hollow Mall is just one of those many little (masonic)add ons.

not just the symbols but the whole concept of the series is taken straight from Mary Poppins'. Supernanny arrives and improves the behavior of the kids drastically, she then leaves and the parents are left to their own devices wich always ends up in the kids behavior being poor again. so what follows, Supernanny arrives again and sorts the problems out, again. she also will tell the parents what they do wrong, and how and what they should do in future.

her whole technique is soften up MK, simple as, just study Mk and then watch that shit. see i had endless arguments with my Gf who loves that series btw, about how that's wrong what she does. that's what i say but she can't follow that thought and i'll basicly loose every argument simply because i wont mention mk. to complicated to out of this world. point is without understanding Mk one would easely think it's actually a good series, helping parents with their bad behaving children. very slick concept and it works.
i don't even want to think of how many parents worldwide (remember 47 countries play this series by now) are using those basic oh so harmless but effective techniques on their children. see the illumianti want you to mk your own children. and yea of course its not comparable to Mk they do to their own but still its a soften up version of it. with the same fundamental basics. now ask yourself why should they want the world to use those techniques? everything they do is for a reason, theres always an ulterior motive with these people. always..

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/mag_sn_00.jpg
so what does this picture say
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/image.jpg
they even made two different shots, because thats a clear message right there! ''in a ritual the victim must be told what's going to happen ''
either that, or they just love to put it under our noses and we won't notice. but people in the illuminati will. and prolly laugh a round or two..

soulja

18-07-2008, 02:10 PM

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/181480VBDa_w.jpg
again the pic tells u all.. the rich looking fam (from some series btw) in the back with their Nanny/Programmer on the red sofa.

and what about the handsignals?
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/413_1.jpg
triple 6?

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/supernanny_lcto.jpg

and incase you're waiting for the bag ala Mary Poppins...
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/1401308104.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/supernanny89.jpg

but let's get back to the umbrella again,
under the Umbrella means under mindcontrol, but using the umbrella as sort of instrument, be it fying or whatever means also using MK in whatever form. because Umbrella is MK Ultra(MindControl) with all its sub-projects (different techniques/methods).

anyway, i believe 'under the umbrella' is a also a code that triggers feelings of comfort, protection, may even be associated with a certain place, in MK victims..

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/umbrella-kid-large-logo.jpg
''care that lasts a lifetime'' excately.. or at least so they promise.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/umbrella_line.jpg
now here everyone is standing under the umbrella except one person. he's the Handler/Trainer/Programmer imo. note that the umbrellas seems to give those people something, warmth or there like. also often it's the RED umbrella. that reminds at a post i planned since ages todo but still haven't come around yet. the lady in red.
a theme you'll find a lot in some recent movies and generally in tv, advertising, magazines etc.. it's known that different colors play an important part in programming, i'm still figuring out wich color does/means what. but it's difficult because different people have different programing themes, therfor sometimes colors mean/trigger different things to different programs. i wish there were sort of a red means this, and blue that black this and so on but i learned pretty quickly that this just doesn't work out. and anyway it would be too simple too easy. and wouldn't work in a complex system like mk.

however the exact opposite seems to be said in this pic.
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/supernanny2.jpg

just that it's not :) yes she stands under the umbrella and all the people in the back not. i still found the message clear tho, she is not just under Mk herself but uses the Mk for the people in the back and also for the whole bloody nation! Great Britain is under her Umbrella..
the whole color theme used are the same colors found on the british flag. look back at the Supernanny pic above with the green, light and dark blue theme. that's because that pic is from Supernanny in Brazil. so they used the colors found on the Brazilian flag.
but the ladies are both in black, because they're a Witches in the illuminati. and it seems to refer to their dark altars/personalities all people in the illuminati have. those altars are needed to participate in those truly satanic rituals normal people just wouldn't be able to cope with. also the numbers, 10 people in the back, with her that's 11 the so called Masternumber.

anyway, that whole dominant Female/Dominatrix vibe all those Ladies have going, from Mary to Frost to those other Nannies is yet again another clue, if one understands the illuminati a bit.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/c13242.jpg
Nanny McPhee (Nanny=Programmer, Mc = Bloodline, Phee (imo magical, Fee in german is fairy)

Nanny McPhee is a 2005 children's film. It was adapted by Emma Thompson from Christianna Brand's Nurse Matilda books.

On the BBC1 television show Friday Night With Jonathan Ross, Emma Thompson revealed that a film trilogy is planned. three three three, Mray comes free times, as does supernanny so of course McPhee gotta have a trilogy.

All ages, but especially children, will be entranced by the manipulative magic Nanny McPhee conjures up with her magic stick
http://www.phase9.tv/moviereviews/nannymcphee.shtml

Widower and undertaker Cedric Brown has seven children: Simon, Tora, Lily, Eric, Christianna, Sebastian, and Aggie. He loves his children but spends little time with them and cannot handle them. The children have had a series of seventeen nannies, which they systematically drive out by bad behavior; it is a point of pride for them to drive out each nanny as fast as possible. They also terrorize the cook, Mrs. Blatherwick, but are cared for and loved by Evangeline, the scullery maid.

Cedric attempts to hire another nanny from the agency who gave him the past seventeen nannies, but the company wouldn't allow him to hire another. After a series of mysterious events, an unusual woman named Nanny McPhee comes to help. With discipline, and a little magic, she transforms the family's lives. In the process, she herself transforms from ugly to beautiful. The children, led by the eldest son Simon, attempt to play their tricks on her, but gradually start to respect her and ask her for advice. They change into responsible people, helping their hapless father in solving the family problems, making Nanny McPhee less and less needed.

Her duty done, Nanny McPhee leaves surreptitiously, in accordance with what she told the children before: "When you need me, but do not want me, then I will stay. When you want me, but no longer need me, then I have to go."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanny_McPhee

that's right, see she came tto do a JOB, Mind-controlling their children, not just babysitting them. so when the MK is done and the kids are transformed she goes.

A British Bank lyrics

Artist Name - Mary Poppins soundtrack

Song Lyrics - A British Bank

Mr. Banks:

A British bank is run with precision

A British home requires nothing less!

Tradition, discipline, and rules must be the tools

Without them - disorder! Chaos!

Moral disintegration!

In short, we have a ghastly mess!

Mary Poppins:

I quite agree!

Mr. Banks:

The children must be molded, shaped and taught

That life's a looming battle to be faced and fought

If they must go on outings

These outings ought to be

Fraught with purpose, yes and practicality!

These silly words like superca...

Superca... superca...

Mary Poppins:

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!

Mr. Banks:

Yes, well done, you said it!

And popping through pictures

Have little use, fulfill no basic need!

They've got to learn the honest truth