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soulja

27-08-2008, 03:43 PM

from a link that amethyst send me.

A Glossary of Illuminati Terminology:

Caution: As with all cult information, this content can sometimes be quite profane -due to the nature of satanism. I have tried to be as discreet as possible.

This list also contains programming terms.

alter: A personality within a person who has multiple personalities.

baton: Two-fingered cult signal.

bay: To have sex; usually denotes rape. Also "ba".

bird: A soul or spirit which astral travels.

bla: bully(n. or v.).

car: Alter who holds the body, who the cult alters "drive" as they influence him/her from behind. Typically is a front alter, but will be someone else if flood programming has killed him/her.

cell phone: The mind. Also can denote the spirit or soul.

child: A child alter; often refers to a front(presenting) non-cult alter. Also "boy" and "girl".

chin: A command to be silent. A handler or programmer will often hit the slave’s chin to send the message.

company: A group of alters within one body.

credit card buff: Prostitution.

dance: To physically fight.

drown: To be overcome and/or killed by flood programming. Also can have a more disgusting, unmentionable meaning.

duct tape: A command to be silent.

election: A coordinated, well-planned goal by one or both of the cults.

fa: A homosexual person.

fund: "Fundy" - meaning "fundamentalist Christian".

gag: To be killed by flood programming.

glass: Vision of a past or future event through sorcery.

ink: Semen.

job: An alter/person who is severely persecuted. Usually refers to a suffering front alter. Derived from the Biblical Job.

key: Tap into a certain alter.

lane: A Christian alter/person. Is derived from a "road" analogy; true Christians take the "narrow" road, or, in other words: "lane" of the highway of life. These Christians are considered foolish, ignorant beings by the cult, as they are perceived as not having their minds expanded to embrace all religions-- all "truths". Really, it's a veiled attack on Jesus Christ, who the Illuminati loathes.

may: Sex; sometimes implies rape.

mill: The action of an unauthorized alter tampering with and extracting the memory of another alter. Also called "hacking".

na: Alternate version of "now".

NBA: Code designating rape “punishers” in the cult.

NFL: A basic term for punisher cult members.

NHL: Code for Delta(killer) alters.

noose: Flood programming. Also "news".

parrot: A Christian. The cult believes that the Christian merely, and mindlessly, repeats, or "parrots", what they have read in the Bible. The Illuminati says this even when a Christian's argument clearly refutes the validity of the tenets of Illuminism. God has blinded the eyes of the wicked.

pat: Paid. Can also denote "Christian Patriot"(the organization).

plane: Astral plane.

planet: "plan-it". A cult planner(Illuminati government official), either for the military, finances, or otherwise.

PM: Abbreviation for “knight”.

poker: To initiate sex with a woman; usually means rape.

pole: A man having sex with a woman; often implies rape. Also "poll".

police: Punisher members of the cult.

ra: See "ray" or "raw"(depending on context).

rail: Female genitals.

raw: Abbreviation for “raw shell” -meaning the “front personality”. Also "ro".

ray: Psychic knowledge through sorcery or witchcraft.

sa: "Say" or "saw"(depending on context).

sky: Astral plane.

spin: A programming term used to describe the spinning cycle a programming world in the system goes through to "kick out" an unauthorized visitor. Sometimes called a "landslide".

state: a statesman or stateswoman; signifying royalty.

sue: Retaliation by a cult member in the form of some type of cult-approved punishment.

tax: Any action (whether financial, physical, or otherwise) inflicted on a person or group who has acted against the interests of one or both of the cults.

ter: A programming term meaning to "tear" an alter world from its original positioning, or "tear" an unauthorized alter from its infiltration in another alter's world.

tow: An alter who has been killed by flood programming, and who is now joined to the host cult alter in control of the body in his/her place.

tree: to have sex.

tsunami: A torrential storm brought on alter(s) by flood programming. Often signifies that this program has been activated in many different slaves.

vote: Action taken in a cult fight.

yun: Child alter. All front alters are called “children” by the Illuminati; base cult alters are called “parents”. Another form of the word is “ian”. “Indian” is a word used for front alters active in these Last Days, the “End” Times (ind=end, ian=child).

I will continue to add to this list of terms.

Spam e-mail to slaves will often contain cryptic, embedded cult messages in them, oftentimes in the name of the so-called sender.
http://www.danofisrael.com/id58.html

more info here
http://www.danofisrael.com/id52.html

soulja

27-08-2008, 04:10 PM

''Trauma'' another Argento movie

Some Nightmares Haunt You. Some... Can Kill You.
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a dark secret, a twisted mind, an insane desire for revenge.

http://www.lovefilm.com/lovefilm/images/products/8/103228-large.jpg
What you see does not exist. What you cannot see is truth.

An ancient urn is found in a cemetery outside Rome. Once opened, it triggers a series of violent incidents: robberies, rapes and murders increase dramatically, while several mysterious, evil-looking young women coming from all over the world are gathering in the city. All these events are caused by the return of Mater Lacrimarum, the last of three powerful witches who have been spreading terror and death for centuries. Alone against an army of psychos and demons, Sarah Mandy, an art student who seems to have supernatural abilities of her own, is the only person left to prevent the Mother of Tears from destroying Rome

hunkahunka

27-08-2008, 04:21 PM

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z242/sjashideout/sus0046.jpg
one side red the other blue like the two paths of freemasonry

reminds me of this:
http://img121.imagevenue.com/loc355/th_18776_Laura_Branigan-Self_Control_dvd-2nafish__014_0002_122_355lo.jpg
http://img25.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-28918/loc1009/18778_Laura_Branigan-Self_Control_dvd-2nafish__014_0002_122_1009lo.jpg

he beckons her with glowing red hand
and this, the red gloves:

http://www.jasonpaulcollum.com/reviews/homeholiday_lrg.jpg
Home for the Holidays, starring Sally Field

which 'resonates' this:
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/6/66/AliceSweetAliceCover.jpg
Alice, Sweet Alice, starring Brooke Shields

then, there is this
http://pic.aebn.net/Stream/Movie/Boxcovers/a36453_xlf.jpg

and this (apologies if already posted)

http://www.iorg.org/images/AlumniLogo.jpg
Official masonic organization, The International Order of the Rainbow for Girls

quiranitramsab

27-08-2008, 04:32 PM

http://i13.tinypic.com/62ihlop.jpg

...that whole androgyn style is another thing that comes up again and again in relation to MK.

... the spiral tells us he was hypnotized/Mk'd.

...on the yellow brick road..

...dressed like a woman,hearts, also the big black heart looks a bit like Mouse ears/disney silhouette

...one eye style

...puppetmaster, snake and eye

Thanks for sharing your insights .

brown velvet

27-08-2008, 05:00 PM

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/27%2008%2008%20roses/nellyfurtadobird.jpg

' I'm Like a Bird ' - Nelly Furtado.

hi

reminds me of this

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/26%2008%2008%20Pink/babypinkroses03a.jpg

this

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/27%2008%2008%20roses/geddes-anne-roses-6600011.jpg

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/27%2008%2008%20roses/marilyn-monroe-rosesa.jpg

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/27%2008%2008%20roses/monroelohan.jpg

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/27%2008%2008%20roses/roses.jpg

http://i3.iofferphoto.com/img/item/231/541/57/o_PaperRoses_1.JPG

very interesting fan site, rainbow all the wat down the left hand side of his site. Male suffered with Anorexia (rare) he seems to adore the Osmonds, lots of images / puppets / doll clothes
here (http://landofos.com/collectn/collectn.htm)

brown.

it sure makes ya think!

moonshine

27-08-2008, 08:54 PM

Spellbound (1945)

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A female psychiatrist protects the identity of an amnesia patient accused of murder while attempting to recover his memory

http://i38.tinypic.com/25p5zph.jpg

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038109/

Pin... (1988)

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A doctor has a lifelike, anatomically-correct medical dummy, with muscles and organs visible through its clear skin, named Pin (after Pinocchio). Via ventriloquism, Pin explains bodily functions in a way kids can relate to. When the over-strict doctor and his wife are killed in a car crash, his son (Leon) transfers his alter-ego into Pin, whom he always believed was alive. He starts using Pin as an excuse to over-protect his sister (Ursula) from admirers and deflect unwanted intrusions, even to the extent of committing murder.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095871/

hunkahunka

27-08-2008, 09:30 PM

ingrid bergman: there it is again, add it to the rest of the bergs and steins

hunkahunka

27-08-2008, 09:58 PM

http://www.plong.com/MusicCatalog/A/Alice%20Russell%20-%20My%20Favourite%20Letters/Alice%20Russell%20-%20My%20Favourite%20Letters.jpg
butterflies, spirals

http://www.parisdjs.com/images/liveshows/070609_Alice_Russell_Live_A_b.jpg
heart, split personality

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00021TLHU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
rainbow, mask, spirals

http://www.etchshop.co.uk/images/TRU106_Alice_Russell_72.jpg
butterflies

brown velvet

27-08-2008, 10:32 PM

Spellbound (1945)

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For Alfred Hitchcock, Dalí created the famous dream sequence in Spellbound (1945) , starring Gregory Peck and Ingrid Bergman......and the same year Dalí joined forces with Walt Disney (whom Dalí called "a great American Surrealist") to make a film, entitled Destino, which was later abandoned, but finally brought to the screen in 2003 through persistence of vision on the part of Walt's nephew, Roy E Disney.

site (http://briansibleysblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/hello-dali.html)

brown.

cheeb

27-08-2008, 11:39 PM

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/27%2008%2008%20roses/marilyn-monroe-rosesa.jpg
Warning- This Post Is A Bit Gruesome!!!!

Marlyn Monroe Has Got A Scar On Her Stomach

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3949/monroerosesak3.jpg

She Also Does This:

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8845/monroesilencerb6.jpg
Sign Of Silence- No Talk Trigger...

Elisabeth Short

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The Black Dahlia

Black Dahlia Was A Studio Nickname

The Black Dahlia

An impressionable, young, and gorgeous girl hits Hollywood, and she catches a studio's eye. She is wined, dined, promised a movie career, and brought into the 'Inner Circle'. Something happens, and some extremely powerful people are involved, and Elizabeth Short meets one of the most gruesome deaths in history.

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/1425/bldsadack6vb9.jpg

The Murder

She was cut from ear to ear to portray a smile.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5815/jokershushjb9.jpg

It Had The Mark Of The Mob

Anyone that has dealt with the mob knows this is the way they send a message. Elizabeth had been sodomized, raped, tortured, mutilated, and thrown in a public area. The mutilation of the mouth was the trademark of someone who was about to talk.

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7865/bladsadck8yl8.jpg

Hollywood Royalty
Oppenheimers, Astors, Loebs

Royalty, as they considered themselves, got to indulge in every fantasy imaginable. The indoor pool was like a roman orgy. Hollywood actors were candy for these elite. A Randolph Scott would have been a one night stand for Solomon Guggenheim. Royalty like Alphonse de Rothschild would bed Lana Turner.

Here is where theBlack Dahlia fits in.

Short Did Something

Short was brought here on a regular basis, and it is suggested her and Marilyn Monroe were used as a couple. The sex varied, but Short wasn't getting any movie parts.

If She Didn't Go Along With It There Are Plenty More Starlets In The Hollywood Sea!!!

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/7967/monroerussellzh1.jpg

Short took some pictures of what went on, and threatened her sponsor. Her especially brutal murder was a message for any one with same thoughts.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8773/blackdahliabdpuz7.jpg

Brian De Palma Again.....

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/8642/coverw200na1.jpg

Gagged Mouth, Tied And Bound....

moonshine

27-08-2008, 11:45 PM

Kylie Minogue - X

http://i37.tinypic.com/j8hac6.jpg
Silence hand gesture, the X and butterfly shaped mask.

Her first single from that album, 2 Hearts.
http://i36.tinypic.com/8z0j7p.jpg

moonshine

27-08-2008, 11:46 PM

Inflames

http://i36.tinypic.com/2qtbedt.jpg

Tracklist:
1. The Mirror's Truth
2. Eraser
3. Tilt
4. Abnegation (Which means self-abnegation, denial, self-denial, self-renunciation
renunciation of your own interests in favor of the interests of others)

The Goo Goo Dolls - Let Love in, taken from the Feel The Silence album.
http://i36.tinypic.com/zxtk50.jpg

Some Velvet Morning - Silence Will Kill You
http://i38.tinypic.com/2dajgo3.jpg

The twin towers in the background? Silence hand gestures

moonshine

28-08-2008, 03:56 AM

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“V For Vendetta,” based on the graphic novel by Alan Moore, is brought to us courtesy of the Wachowski brothers who have producers credits on this film. Even though they didn’t direct it, “V” still has the look and feel of the original Matrix movie in many ways, from V’s head to toe black get up, trenchcoat and boots, loaded down with weapons and some serious fighting skillzz ;) to the color quality, the hypnotic and engaging way it’s filmed, and even the score that plays throughout. (Take note of the scene when V steps off the elevator in the BTN studio, about to kick some ass…it’s straight out of the first Matrix, even down to the sound effects. Also, the theme of “revolution” calls to mind Matrix Revolutions.)

The story of “V For Vendetta” is multi-layered, which makes it interesting. The most obvious surface layer involves revolting against a fascist government regime and overthrowing the corruption. A second layer involves the theme of “coincidence” and “connection.” Connective coincidences appear throughout the movie, along with references to them by various characters. Everything is connected, as realized by Inspector Finch at the end of the movie in his big moment of realization. The third layer involves mind control symbolism, with its symbols and themes woven throughout the movie. It reminds me of a multiple image hologram. Turn it one way, see one thing. Turn it another, and a different picture emerges. I’m curious as to what Alan Moore, the original author, had/has going on in his life that he was able to come up with these things for his graphic novel.

The mind control symbolism

V is a character who is broken and transformed during his time spent at the Larkhill Detention Center for undesirables, where victims are brutalized and experimented on like meat. Most of the victims die. But V not only lives, a genetic anomaly with unusual blood properties, he also develops unusual mental and physical abilities and lightning fast reflexes, becoming a new person who “could no longer remember who he was or where he was from,” as Doctor Delia Surridge from the Center notes in her journal. All of this brings to mind the government sponsored MK Ultra/mind control black ops projects and satanic ritual abuse where children of certain bloodlines are brutalized and traumatized until they form alternate split off personas and new identities, sent back out into the world with their new programming, used as pawns in somebody else’s agenda. Speaking from personal knowledge and research, I can also add that many targets of government mind control projects will have higher than average intellectual capabilities and develop unusual…“abilities” such as photographic memory, lightning fast reflexes, psychic powers and so on. So this definitely seems to parallel.

V later engages in a similar torture/reconditioning treatment on Evie, taking her against her will and imprisoning her in a cell — all for her own good, mind you ;) – so that she can learn to overcome her fear. When Evie first emerges from her cell and realizes that V was behind it all, she has an emotional breakdown. But she not only gets over it, becoming the fearless warrior, but she later returns to V to help him, and even falls in love with him. I thought that was a bit twisted in some ways, and reminded me of the “romantic entanglement” between victim and handler mentioned in my “Labyrinth” write up.

V’s new, alternate persona is the “agent provocateur.” It’s all another variation of what we find in “Fight Club.” After years of training and waiting for the right time, he begins his methodical plan of killing everybody who was connected to Larkhill, and setting into motion events that will eventually dismantle the current fascist, corrupt government. His free time is single mindedly devoted to fight training — knives, swords, and martial arts – and putting his plans into action. That is his only admitted purpose for living.

So with that established, let’s review some of the mind control symbolisms I noticed in the movie:

The mask and mirror. We are introduced to V while he puts his mask on in front of his mirror, getting ready to head out. Later on in the movie, V takes his mask off and throws it against the mirror, shattering the glass. As noted previously in this section, masks and mirrors are major mind control symbolisms. See “Labyrinth” and “Eyes Wide Shut” for two examples in this section. As Gordon Dietrich says in the movie, “You wear a mask for so long you begin to forget who you were beneath it.” Mask symbolism, as used in mind control, refers to the masking of the various split off alternate personas from each other. Mirrors are often used in conjunction with drugs and hypnotic programming to create the illusion of a second alternate persona within the mind of the target. Because the target is drugged up and dazed, they can be convinced to view their reflection as an actual secondary persona.

The Key. Just as Dr. McCabe refers to David as being “the key” in “Vanilla Sky” (coming up in a short bit) Dr. Delia Surridge also refers to V as being “the key.” She says “…whoever he was, he is the key…” So many of these movies either feature physical keys or make mention of somebody being the key….

Phoenix Rising. Just like in “Fight Club,” our main hero V experiences a transformation in personality that’s likened to the phoenix. His old self dies, and a new persona is born, rising from the fire — quite literally. V emerges from a huge explosion and fire at Larkill, walking through the flames letting out a primal yell of rage. And just like “Fight Club” this transformation results in a persona hellbent on destroying the society he sees around him. In mind control programming, the phoenix rising symbolism is quite popular as it refers to the rising up of the new, alternate persona taking over the mind of the victim.

So, keeping in mind in V’s masked visage, with his emergence from Larkhill – the abuse, torture center – in a huge fire with a new personality that could no longer remember who and what he used to be, here’s an excerpt from Fritz Springmeier’s “The Illuminati Formula to Create a Totally Undetectable Mind Control Slave” which says:

“Fire/burning torture is used in the porcelain face programming….The memories of abuse are then hypnotically hid behind the masks…..This means that these alters have via torture and hypnosis lost their own faces!”

Project Mayhem “space monkey” army look. On this note, Evie is also transformed from an every day working girl who lives in fear, to a fearless warrior with a shaved head, doing her part to dismantle society. Very reminiscent of the Project Mayhem “space monkey” army with their shaved heads in “Fight Club.”

Agent Provocateur programming. As mentioned earlier, V has the agent provocateur attitude as found in Fight Club, stealing, killing, blowing things up, and instigating disobedience, wanting to destroy the corrupt society he sees around him through violence and force.

Suicide/Self Destruct Programming. And like in “Fight Club” and “The Manchurian Candidate” the hero/pawn must die via “self destruct programming” after being used to fulfill the agenda. While the lead characters in the other two movies attempt to kill themselves but don’t succeed, V knowingly goes up against Creedy and his men who all have guns, and sacrifices his own life in order to take out them in the process using only his knives, martial arts, and lightning fast reflexes. Relating to this we have……….

The dominoes. There’s a (red and black colored) domino knock down scene forming a large “V” towards the end of the movie, just before V heads out to blow up Parliament and face his inevitable death/suicide. Turn the hologram image one way and it represents the connectedness of all things, one of the sub-themes of the movie. Turned another way, with the knowledge that dominoes are used in mind control, and it has another meaning. Again, quoting from Fritz Springmeier:

“The dominoes were used for coding, but they also had the programming feature of being able to tie alters together so that if the system is tampered with out of sequence, a domino effect would take place This domino effect is for one program to set off another program to set off another program. Soon the Monarch slave’s mind is trying to deal with dozens of suicide programs running simultaneously…”

Shadows. A minor one, but V calls his home “The Shadow Gallery.” An interesting choice of words. It’s indeed gallery-like, for its collection of banned art, books, music, trinkets and do-dads, but what does shadow refer to? Shadow also appeared in “Eyes Wide Shut,” with the book entitled “Shadows of the Mirror” on Domino’s desk. In mind control, possibly refers to the shadow self, or alternate persona.

Other Interesting symbolism

11:00. The time on the clock at the beginning of the movie when Evie is ready to head out the door into the night, where she will eventually cross paths with V, changing the course of her life. 11 is a master number, representing “the initiate,” and is amply fitting for Evie as she is the fearful, naive initiate at the beginning of the movie, about to have her world turned upside down to the point of eventually becoming a different person.

3:30. (or rather, 33) the time left on the bomb clock when the camera first pans on it. 33 is another master number, important in Freemasonry. Think of the 33rd degree in the Scottish rite of Freemasonry, the highest level one can attain. I’m thinking it could be a marker of sorts slipped in to indicate who was behind the making of this movie, or, it actually refers to Jesus himself, who (supposedly) died at 33. Christians believe that Jesus died for the sins of mankind, sacrificing himself for the benefit of all – as V does in a way at the end of the movie.

The “V” symbol. “Coincidentally,” the red V logo is strikingly similar to the Baphomet goat head’s pentagram used in occult practices. All that’s missing are the ears, which form the other two triangles of the pentagram. It’s also reminiscent of the red spray painted V in the 1983-84 TV miniseries “V,” about reptilian aliens that come to earth and the resulting Nazi-like mentality that begins taking over the population who wear their red and black uniforms and fall in line with them. (See also the image of Frank the (Baphomet/V) Bunny from Donnie Darko.)

The Cross of Lorraine. The flag of the fascist government is a red and black version of the Cross of Lorraine. The Cross of Lorraine has a long and meaningful history and is considered one of the many “Brotherhood” symbolisms of those who run the planet. It has its origins in France, and Joan of Arc was known to carry a flag with this symbol on it in battle; In “V for Vendetta,” the government is always mindful to point out all the outside enemies and how “England Will Prevail!” so it’s fitting that they would then adopt this symbol to represent their battle mentality of prevailing. However….the way the meaning gets twisted around, with the enemy masquerading as the savior government pretending to be at battle with outside forces parallels the way the Nazis hoodwinked the German population and took the swastika, originally an eastern spiritual symbol with positive meanings, and twisted it all around into something with an evil meaning.

The roses. Another Brotherhood symbolism, calling to mind the Rosicrucians, or, the “order of the rose cross.”

Red, black and white. Common occult color scheme found in many meaningful movies with hidden agendas and secondary symbolic meanings.

“Ride the Long Black Train.” Song by Richard Hawley that plays on Inspector Finch’s alarm clock radio the morning of November 5th. I jotted down the lyrics and Googled them afterwards to see if they had any significant meaning and reason for why this song in particular was used in the movie. After reading the lyrics it’s all extremely fitting, especially the line “Take me home black train…” After V finally dies from the wounds sustained by Creedy’s men, Evie puts him on the bomb-laden train, places a rose on his chest, and pulls the lever to send the train off into Parliament to blow it up. Also the words “rose,” “shadows” “tolling bells” “the city” “deep of the night” and “clock tower” all appear in the song, tying into various things in the movie, which is interesting, considering the song came out several years before the movie.

Resident Evil 2. The first time I really thought about all of this was for the movie Resident Evil 2. The movie’s tagline was “My name is Alice…and I remember everything.“ The second I heard that I perked right up. As we’re all WELL aware by this point in the write up ;) Alice in Wonderland is one of the most prominent mind control symbolisms in use. So here we have the lead character of RE2 named Alice, which at first doesn’t seem like much…until you factor in the tagline. “I remember everything.” Time to wake up, mind controlled kiddies. Time to remember your programming. May also pertain to the way that some mind controlled subjects/MILABS develop photographic memory.

The Bourne Ultimatum. Matt Damon plays amnesiac black ops delta assassin Jason Bourne, and the last line of the trailer has the same phrase as RE2. “Listen very carefully to what I’m about to tell you. I remember. I remember everything.” Hello!

Hard Candy. At the very end of the trailer, the lead character, a 14 year old girl, says matter-of-factly, “Play time is over. Now it’s time to wake up.” It didn’t necessarily fit with whatever had come before it, and stood on its own as a very suggestive command. This whole thing with “waking up” is a big one with triggers. Wake up from the dream, the illusion; waking up the alternate compartmentalized persona which normally lies dormant until needed.

http://in2worlds.net/mind-control-th...gers-in-movies

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The Brave One, the new Jodie Foster movie about a woman and her boyfriend who are attacked in a random act of violence. The boyfriend dies from being beaten to death. She survives, buys a gun, and inadvertently becomes a vigalante when she’s not afraid to use her gun in future life-threatening situations. Several lines from the trailer really stood out for me however with regards to the idea of compartmentalized alter egos:

“How could you pull it back together after what happened to you?”
“You become someone else.”

“It is astonishing to find that inside you there is a stranger. This stranger is all you are now. There’s no going back.”

And the trailer’s tagline:
“This fall the person you thought you were can vanish in the blink of an eye.”

cheeb

28-08-2008, 04:04 AM

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Removed Due To Image Violation....!!!!!
Got It Covered Mate

[QUOTE=cheeb;435204]Taxi Driver

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4791/taxidriverzq6.jpg
One Eye And Ruby Slippered Lolita,Fragmented Image..

I Knew That Jody Foster Had A Connection,
With M.K. Victim Hinkley,
Travis Bickle/Arthur Bremner
Is A Very Interesting Connection....

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3050/carnytaxidriverue4.jpg
Travis Bickle, Shaved Head, MK Assassin...!!!!

I Found This On You Tube....
REMOVED DUE TO IMAGE VIOLATION........

It Might Seem A Bit OTT,
But I Have Been Present At The Filming Of A Movie,
That Took Over 8 Hours,
The Scene Was In The Film For About 5 Seconds
Hollywood Pay Very Close Attention To Detail....

Removed Due To Image Violation....
Notice The Twin Towers And The Red Hat,
Reminiscent Of Don't Look Now...,
Or The Red Figure In The Otherwise Black And White Schindlers List..

The reference to “The Catcher in the Rye” was taken from real life, for Mark David Chapman, the assassin of ex-Beatle John Lennon, had a paperback edition of the book in his possession when the police arrived and found him standing "very calmly"– as if he too was a mind-controlled assassin, having completed his task, and now aimlessly standing about, waiting to be arrested as the “lone gunman”? But Chapman was not alone: John Hinckley was also reported to have been obsessed with the book and as both “lone gunmen” were considered by some to be coming of the MK-ULTRA robotic assassin production line, the book was soon interpreted as a “driver” in their mind control

As to Hinckley: he claimed that he had repeatedly watched the 1976 movie Taxi Driver, in which a disturbed man plots to assassinate a presidential candidate – a story in line with The Manchurian Candidate, which has similar themes of MK-ULTRA worked into it. The disturbed man in Taxi Driver was inspired by real-life would-be assassin Arthur Herman Bremer, who shot US Democratic presidential candidate George Wallace on May 15, 1972 in Laurel, Maryland, leaving him paralyzed for life – and in practice guaranteeing the re-election of Richard Nixon for his ill-fated second term..

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/5776/carnymothen8.jpg
Notice The Butterfly Motif,
On The Microphone
Hollywood Pay Very Close Attention To Detail...

That same obsession is found between Hinckley and Jodie Foster. When Foster entered Yale University, Hinckley moved to New Haven, Connecticut to be nearer to her, slipping poems and messages under her door and repeatedly contacting her by telephone. Failing to develop any meaningful contact with her, he developed such plots as hijacking an airplane and committing suicide in front of her in order to gain her attention. Eventually he settled on a scheme to win her over by assassinating the president, on the theory that by becoming a historical figure, he would be her equal. It sounds mad, but then we are assumed to believe he was mad, so… He trailed then-president Jimmy Carter from state to state, but was arrested in Nashville, Tennessee on a firearms charge. Penniless, he returned home and despite psychiatric treatment for depression, his mental health did not improve. In 1981, he began to target the new president, Ronald Reagan, and apparently began to collect information on Lee Harvey Oswald, whom he saw as a role model. Of course, that’s the official version and there are several conspiracy theories, one, as mentioned, asking whether Hinckley was a robotic assassin…

Arthur Bremner

The attempted assassin of Governor George Wallace of Alabama was described
in the media as a deranged loner, but he wasn't alone at all if you count
the involvement of the CIA and the Nixon/Watergate "plumbers" who figure
prominently in this case. (It has been suggested that George Wallace's
political campaign could potentially have taken too many votes away from
rival presidential candidate Richard Nixon if Wallace was allowed to stay in
the presidential race. He was conveniently eliminated by Arthur Bremer).

On Monday, May 15, 1972, Bremer attempted to assassinate George Wallace at a
campaign rally in Laurel, Maryland. According to researchers, within one
hour after the Wallace shooting, Nixon aide Charles Colson, having invented
a ruse to place blame for the shooting on radical extremists of the left
wing, ordered Watergate "plumber" E. Howard Hunt to break into Bremer's
apartment and plant Black Panther and Angela Davis literature there.
(Bremer, however, had political convictions leaning towards the extreme
right. None other than George Wallace himself stated that he wondered how
members of Nixon's staff had found Bremer's apartment so quickly after the
shooting.)

But this "loner" actually had quite a few friends. One of these friends,
Dennis Cassini, turned up mysteriously dead in the trunk of his own car
before he could be questioned. The FBI didn't even bother to investigate
his death. According to The Milwaukee Journal: "The former Wisconsin College
Republican State Chairman said (that) Donald Segretti, confessed political
spy and Republican saboteur in the 1972 presidential campaign, urged him to
recruit persons in Wisconsin to do dirty tricks to embarrass the Democrats."

Arthur Bremer was from Milwaukee. Records show that Bremer traveled
extensively while stalking Wallace on his campaign trail, staying in
expensive hotels, running up debts totaling $5,000 dollars, which he paid.
Quite unusual for a busboy whose total earnings were under $2,000 dollars
for the entire year. Bremer was also identified prior to the assassination
as the man seen accompanying Watergate-operative Anthony Ulasewicz in
Michigan. (The personality revealed by Bremer's diary was used as a source
for the character of Travis Bickle in the original screenplay of the movie
Taxi Driver, which would, curiously, later drive John Hinckley in his own
presidential assassination attempt).

Bremer was sentenced to 63 years in prison and has never given any
explanation as to why he shot Wallace.

Mark David Chapman
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/5224/markdavidchapmanmugsmalrz3.jpg

Yet another "lone nut" assassin who killed "leftist" John Lennon in New York
City on December 8, 1980.

Chapman had possible ties to the CIA as a former World Vision Employee.
(World Vision Missionaries is an "international evangelical order" that has
performed espionage work for CIA). Allegedly, while working for World
Vision, Chapman was trained in terrorist infested, war-torn Beruit as a
"security guard".

Less than four months before John Hinckley Jr. attempted to gun down Reagan,
Chapman shot and killed John Lennon in what may have been a practice run for
Hinckley's later assassination attempt on Reagan.

After shooting Lennon, Chapman sat down and calmly began reading from The
Catcher in the Rye, a novel by J.D. Salinger. (Interestingly, J.D. Salinger,
author of "Catcher" served in the Counter Intelligence Corps during WWII
with Henry Kissinger. Others have theorized that this book served as some
sort of post-hypnotic suggestion or program "trigger"). Chapman himself
claims that he killed Lennon to promote the reading of "Catcher in the Rye,"
yet according to those who knew him, Chapman never exhibited strong feeling
about the book until just prior to the shooting.

After shooting Lennon, Chapman sat down and calmly began reading from The
Catcher in the Rye, a novel by J.D. Salinger. (Interestingly, J.D. Salinger,
author of "Catcher" served in the Counter Intelligence Corps during WWII
with Henry Kissinger. Others have theorized that this book served as some
sort of post-hypnotic suggestion or program "trigger"). Chapman himself
claims that he killed Lennon to promote the reading of "Catcher in the Rye,"
yet according to those who knew him, Chapman never exhibited strong feeling
about the book until just prior to the shooting.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7352/hinkleygun2ww7.jpg
John Hinckley, Jr.

The attempted lone nut assassin of Ronald Reagan,

Stalker Of Jodie Foster...

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1640/carnylambskw8.jpg
One Eye,Sign Of Silence-No Talk Trigger,
And Butterfly...

Incidentally There Is Another Subliminal Here

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Skull Orgy
Salvadore Dali-In Voluptate Mors

Like Mark David Chapman, John Hinckley, Jr. also had a copy of Catcher in
the Rye in his possession when apprehended. According to official reports,
Hinckley was also heavily "influenced" by the Travis Bickle character from
the Martin Scorcese film Taxi Driver. (In this film, Robert DeNiro plays an
obsessed gunman who plans to assassinate a presidential candidate, a
character that was inspired by Arthur Bremer's personal diary).

Like Arthur Bremer, Hinckley traveled extensively around the U.S., and prior
to his assassination attempt on Reagan, was arrested at the airport in
Nashville, Tennessee with three handguns. Curiously, Hinckley was not placed
under any surveillance after this incident. And in emulation of both Sirhan
Sirhan and Bremer, Hinckley also kept a dairy in which he detailed his plans
for shooting Reagan.

There are reports that a Hinckley "double" named "Richardson" traced
Hinckley's path from Colorado to Connecticut, all the while writing letters
to Jodie Foster, just as the real Hinckley did. This Richardson was arrested
with a weapon at New York's Port Authority bus terminal, claiming he was
going to kill Reagan. Richardson and also had links to World Vision
Ministry. No less a figure than conspiracy queen Mae Brussel allegedly
spotted an apparent Hinckley double prior to the assassination attempt and
reported this to the Secret Service. (The Hinckley double's true name is
Edward Richardson, a person who looked amazingly like Hinckley).

One has to ask the obvious: what are the odds that two "unstable" men could
be obsessed with the same actress from the same film at the same time, while
"behaving" under nearly exact circumstances? That both of these men were
intent on re-creating the Travis Bickle character's assassination scheme
from the movie "Taxi Driver"? What are the chances that two separate
"mentally unstable," lone individuals, with so many odd similarities, would
reach critical mass at the same time and in the same way?

It is known through court records that Hinckley underwent psychiatric
treatment just prior to his attempt on Reagan and that at the time of the
shooting, he was under the influence of psychiatric drugs.

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The Joker
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4682/joker460sr7.jpg

Although Foster's first acting appearance was at three years old, her first significant role came in 1976 as an underage prostitute in Taxi Driver,

Her father, an Air Force Lieutenant-Colonel

A Lot Of These Laurel Canyon Stars,
Had Fathers Connected To The Upper Eschelons Of The Air Force..

Jim Morrison,
The Lizard King Being One Of Them....

Here:
Whoops Got A Bit Entheustiac There.......

moonshine

28-08-2008, 04:20 AM

[QUOTE=moonshine;476231]http://i37.tinypic.com/1zhd9w.jpg

Removed Due To Image Violation....!!!!!
Got It Covered Mate

Here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11202

Thanks buddy for the link, i've only managed to read up to page 68 of this thread. :D if i do repeat something, then just tell me and i will delete it.

hunkahunka

28-08-2008, 04:23 AM

the next stage for the child-slave is being let down in a deep pit in the ground, where the programmer starts ordering things to the child like, cut yourself, give yourself electro-shocks. After this, the child's will is fully broken and replaced by the state of a total manipulated, controllable and dependable slave.
http://www.freewebs.com/destroyilluminati/ciaprojects.htm

it puts the lotion on it's skin..........
reminds me of that biker Earl Stefanson who had a pit dug in his basement

cheeb

28-08-2008, 04:27 AM

[QUOTE=cheeb;476247]

Thanks buddy for the link, i've only managed to read up to page 68 of this thread. :D if i do repeat something, then just tell me and i will delete it.

Nah Man..!!!
It Is Still A Young Thread,

That Some Of The Topics Are Getting Repeated,

Most Of It It's New Info.......

:):):)

hunkahunka

28-08-2008, 06:27 AM

this from Canada's resident lesbian cow girl K.D. Lang

http://www.gregsgrooves.com/imagesf-l/lang_sugar.jpg
spiral

and this gem:

http://image.maniadb.com/images/album/176/176508_1_f.jpg
carousel, all-seeing eye of freemasonry, 'angel', cable tow?

soulja

28-08-2008, 11:27 AM

http://www.diangy.com/filemanager/files/Pictures/LGF%20-%20IMAGES/Looking%20Glass%20Films%20-%20LAOD.jpg
Heart, one eye, masonic M sign..

emerald

28-08-2008, 03:57 PM

emerald

28-08-2008, 04:34 PM

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24254098-421,00.html

hunkahunka

28-08-2008, 06:59 PM

thunker, that august underground film is really disturbing, what is the reason for it being made, and is it for real or acted, i gotta say i cant tell, but if these people came knockin, then mr 9mm would be a rockin, because to think that there are people out there like this is fcukin horrifying.

There are lots of people like this around, and they are creations of Mkultra.
In most cases , they are reenacting what was done to them.
August Underground is fiction, but imo, based on real events occurring within a very currently active subculture. This is the means by which they create 'slaves' for the cult. You see how they reduced the girl to a 'doll' by making her wear a mask and gagging her while being tortured? This is their way of dehumanizing their victim, so that they can torture the victim without feeling anything of what they are inflicting.

but that gobby chick that cuts herself in the drug addicts apartment looked real.

how would it be mkultra though as there only a couple of scumbags, what benefit of being mkultra projects would they be to whoever ran them so to speak.
.

I think that part where she gouges her own stomach, is real. She may be under some kind of hypnosis or alter to be made to do that for the movie.
My guess is that the people running mk projects (controlling mk slaves), train these mk slaves to torture people, so that they can shatter new minds and bring new people in. That girl being shut in the box, raped etc., is possilbly being subjected to trauma-based conditioning to shatter her mind and create a multiple personality disorder in her. Once she is 'prepared', she can be taken by the CIA or whoever else needs her, to receive the rest of her programming/training. So the people torturing others in this video would be slaves themselves, being used to help create other slaves.
imo, this film is created by people closely linked to the whole satanic subculture of people involved in this.

kweli

28-08-2008, 07:10 PM

rixxmixxhell

28-08-2008, 07:25 PM

Fascinating thread.. cheers for the research guys.

Curiouser & curiouser. Here's another one to think about:

Amy Winehouse has found inspiration for her new album from the classic movie the Wizard of Oz.

The troubled singer is working on the follow up to her Grammy award winning album Back to Black and has been inspired by the 1939 Judy Garland film.

Along with the title theme, famous songs from the musical include Over the Rainbow, composed by Harold Arlen.

Winehouse's new songs will reportedly include samples from the original tracks.

In the surreal film Dorothy is swept away to a magical land in a tornado and embarks on a quest to see the Wizard who can help her return home.

Winehouse has been slow to create the third album because of her ongoing battles with drugs...

Full report: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/2577722/Amy-Winehouses-new-album-inspired-by-Wizard-of-Oz.html

Hope you see my thread called butterfly=monarch comprehensive too, might be of interest to you ;)

Good find on the Amy (blood) ''Wine-house of sand and fog'-[/I][/B])

Good to have others finding the thread, so much work they have put into it -- and my thread was to make Fritz' writings available to all as in relation to this thread so i wrote loads on it and posted his stuff in one big post. but i think you already know this stuff Kweli ;)

:)

Rick

cheeb

28-08-2008, 08:11 PM

Moss Artwork Is Pure Gold

A solid gold statue of supermodel Kate Moss is to go on display at the British Museum.

The sculpture, valued at $2.8 million (GBP1.5 million), has been crafted by artist Marc Quinn.

Tipping the scales at 50 kilograms (110 pounds), it is believed to be the largest gold statue built since the time of ancient Egypt.

Quinn says he chose Moss because she was the closest model to human perfection he could find.:D:D:D:D LMAO

He adds: "I thought the next thing to do would be to make a sculpture of the person who is the ideal beauty of the moment. But even Kate Moss doesn't live up to the image."

The Moss statue will be exhibited at the British Museum in October.

Kate Moss...
Usual Stuff, Trauma At 13, Drug Abuse And Anorexia,
Seems To Be Passed From One Rock Star To The Next...
I Found These Disturbing Pictures On A Fashion Site...

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8230/katemossscene1ud7.jpg
Butterflys, Hearts And Mirror

http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp297/damnsod/kate-moss-2.jpg
Bondage

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8821/katemoss3wj5.jpg
Preists, Hanging Meat And A Gimp Mask..Slave

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/441/katemoss4ys4.jpg
Cabletow,Broken Mirror -Fractured

http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp297/damnsod/kate-moss-6.jpg
Butterflys, Blindfolds and Blood

http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp297/damnsod/kate-moss-5.jpg
Skull And Bone,Masks, Blood And A Cannibal Reference-Eat Kate

Amazing How They Advertise "Trollies"(Underwear) These Days.....

moonshine

28-08-2008, 08:49 PM

MIND CONTROL Quotes

"None are more helplessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

- Johann W. Von Goethe

* * *

"I certainly could educate a child by putting an electrode in the lateral hypothalamus. ... I can grossly change his behavior."

- Dr. Karl Priram, director of the Neuropsychology Research Laboratory at Stanford University

* * *

"[M]ind control is originally established when the victim is a child under six years old. During this formative stage of development, perpetrating cult members systematically combine dissociation-enhancing drugs, pain, sexual assault, terror, and other forms of psychological abuse in such a way that the child dissociates the intolerable traumatic experience."

- Dr. Catherine Gould

* * *

"A Method for Remote Control of Electrical Stimulation of the Nervous System."

- Title of monograph published by Drs. Chaffee and Light, 1934

* * *

"[A]t a distance of one or more rooms and under conditions where the participant would not know or suspect that she would be experimented with.... One such experiment was carried out in a park at a distance,... [and] a post-hypnotic mental suggestion to go to sleep was complied with within a minute."

- Dr. I.F. Tomashevsky, Critical Evaluation of the Hypnogenic Method

* * *
"Eventually - say by A.D. 2000 - perhaps all this depth manipulation of the psychological variety will seem amusingly old- fashioned. By then perhaps the biophysicists will take over with 'biocontrol,' which is depth persuasion carried to its ultimate. Biocontrol is the new science of controlling mental processes, emotional reactions, and sense perceptions by bio-electrical signals."

- Vance Packard, The Hidden Persuaders, 1958

* * *

"The familiar notion of planning is that done by experts, with scientific knowledge. We have seen the results of that rational planning: tower blocks, food additives, valium--the list of horrors is endless."

- Sheila Rowbotham
* * *

"The ultimate achievement of biocontrol may be the control of man himself.... The controlled subjects would never be permitted to think as individuals. A few months after birth, a surgeon would equip each child with a socket mounted under the scalp and electrodes reaching selected areas of brain tissue.... sensory perceptions and muscular activity could be either modified or completely controlled by bioelectric signals radiating from state-controlled transmitters."

- Curtiss Shafer (electrical engineer, Norden-Ketay Corporation), Speech to the National Electronics Conference in Chicago, 1956

* * *
"The clandestine operator... is trained to believe you can't count on the honesty of your agent to do exactly what you want, or to report accurately unless you own him body and soul."

- Richard Helms

* * *
"And it seems to me perfectly in the cards that there will be within the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing... a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda, brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods."

- Aldous Huxley, 1959
* * *
"It is possible that a certain amount of brain damage is of theraputic value."

- Dr. Paul Hoch, 1948
* * *
"If the scientist do what they have laid out for themselves, men will become manageable ants."

- Adolf A. Berle, former Assistant Secretary of State and Chairman of the New York Liberal Party, Diary entry

* * *
"If you got ahold of a directory for the American Psychiatric Association in around 1956 or 1957, you'll be surprised to find that an enormous percentage of the individuals listed are foreign-born. Mostly they came out of Germany and Eastern Europe in a big wave. They were called 'technical specialists,' but really they were psychiatrists. They went into jobs at universties mostly - but many were working on these 'unconventional' mind control programs for U.S. intelligence.... These would go to people like Dr. Cameron in Canada."

- Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty, former Pentagon liaison to the CIA, 1992

* * *

"[S]cience has developed a new electrical methodology for the study and control of cerebral function in animals and humans."

- Dr. Jose M.R. Delgado, lecture on the evolution of the brain at the American Museum of Natural History in New York, May 6, 1965

* * *
"When a part of your brain recieves a tiny electrical impulse from outside sources, such as vision, hearing, etc., an emotion is produced - anger at the sight of a gang of boys beating an old woman, for example. The same emotions of anger can be created by artificial radio signals sent to your brain by a controller. You could instantly feel the same white hot anger without any apparent reason."

- Modern People magazine, 1975

* * *
"Cybernetics can be used in molding a child's character, the inculcation of knowledge and techniques, the massing of experience, the establishment of social behavior patterns... all functions which can be summarized as control of the growth processes of the individual."

- Richard Helms, memo to the Warren Commission, 1964

* * *
"The official Soviet newspaper Izvestia said that high-frequency radio waves used to power British eavesdropping devices may have killed two Soviet citizens in London. In an article headlined 'Rays Bring Death,' the newspaper said microwave radiation was used to control sophisticated listening devices implanted in the walls of the diplomatic compound in London.... A senior British Foreign Office official denied any government connection with the deaths."

- News Brief, Los Angeles Times, June 5, 1989

* * *
"The transmitter-reinforcer utilizes space age technology to send accurate readings on the patient's condition to a computer, which digests the data. The computer can monitor many patients simultaneously. If a patient needs a dose of aversion treatment, the computer acts as controller, delivering a tone signal or shock.... One study suggests that radio transmitter receivers should be implanted into the brains of patients to broadcast information to a computer which could monitor and control the patients' behavior."

- Ford Rowan, Technospies: The Secret Network That Spies on You, 1978
* * *

"In this investigation it will be shown that the spoken word of the hypnotist may also be conveyed by modulated electromagnetic energy directly into the subconscious parts of the human brain... without employing any technical devices for receiving or transcoding the messages and without the person exposed to such influence having a chance to control the information input."

- Dr. J.F. Shapitz, 1974
* * *
"Can the human mind be short-circuited or even destroyed by extremely low-frequency radio waves? Preposterous as such an idea may seem, scientists on both sides of the Iron Curtain have been conducting secret tests. Reputable scientists say they could be developed into yet another grisly weapon of mass destruction.... This interference could extend to 'switching off' the brain's vital functions - that is, killing the targeted victims."

- Jack Anderson, July 1985

* * *
"Over the past decade more than 15,000 people worldwide have had electronic components implanted into their brains. In a procedure confined until recently to the fantasies of science fiction, microchips are now being routinely placed beneath the skull into brain stems. In many cases, these devices are connected to platinum wires, which are then fused and buried in the brain."

- Simon Davies, "Bionic Man Comes of Age," the London Times, October 17, 1994

* * *

"We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existance, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective. Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain."

- Dr. Jose M.R. Delgado, Director of Neuropsychiatry Yale University Medical School, Congressional Record, No. 26 vol. 118, February 24, 1974

* * *
"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do."

- NYC Mayor Rudolph Giuliani

* * *
"When we license parenthood, behavior mod will be very important. . . . We are going to license parenthood. You know, the main reason we have never licensed parents is: on what grounds would you license them? . . . But behaviorism will show that there are principals for raising children."

- Dr. Roger McIntire

* * *

brown velvet

28-08-2008, 09:34 PM

talking bout freemasons, one of the organizations linked to it is the International Order of the Rainbow for Girls.
http://www.iorg.org/images/AlumniLogo.jpg

Hi

these rainbows are not consistent, the one on the 'cauldron' is ROYGBIV, the other one (going in or coming out?) is in the reverse order VIBGYOR. Strange.

:D
brown.

hunkahunka

28-08-2008, 10:36 PM

Hi

these rainbows are not consistent, the one on the 'cauldron' is ROYGBIV, the other one (going in or coming out?) is in the reverse order VIBGYOR. Strange.

:D
brown.

http://www.iorg.org/images/AlumniLogo.jpg
the order of the green groin?

look at the rainbow on the cauldron, it looks like the pelvis of a seated
girl in green underwear, with rainbow tights on each leg. There is a
pyramid, with an R on it, below the groin, pointing directly at the crotch

and why a cauldron? a witch's cauldron?

seaweed

28-08-2008, 10:58 PM

from a link that amethyst send me.

A Glossary of Illuminati Terminology:

http://www.danofisrael.com/id58.html

more info here
http://www.danofisrael.com/id52.html

Many thanks for posting this.

Very interesting, especially about spam email. I've been wondering about that lately, as I often receive spam emails that are blank apart from seemingly random passages from books.

I'll have to look into it further...

Best,

Seaweed

moonshine

29-08-2008, 03:41 AM

BioShock, Symbolism and Mind-Control

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BioShock is a new game for the XBox 360 and PC. It’s one of the most highly anticipated games of recent years, and takes the depths of interactivity and gaming to whole new levels. However, there may well be much more to this game than is first apparent. The many clues and hints in the form of various symbolism and mind-control techniques suggest the game may have a far darker under-pinning.

Much like movies from recent years - games are starting to contain “trigger imagery” and dialogue. Those that follow these ideas will remember the CIA experiments from the 1950’s involving the study of mind-control techniques upon unwitting citizens. Some of what came out of those experiments (and many others) can be found in modern movies such as Fight Club, V for Vendetta to name but two. A lot more on this subject can be found at In2Worlds.

As the power of computers (and thus home entertainment consoles) has grown almost exponentially, games are now at the point where they too can contain such mind-control phenomenon. BioShock contains very dark themes, it has a somewhat “anti-establishment” theme, along with a lot of quite disturbed violence. All hallmarks of trigger movies.

**Minor plot spoilers ahead**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JjyVeWzwYg

Be aware that the video clips in this post contain violence.

Nearly drowning after surviving a plane crash, you find yourself in the massive undersea city called “Rapture”, constructed during the 1940’s. The city suffered a catastrophe at the end of the ’50’s and the game is set during 1960. This gives the game a Gothic ’40’s architecture, with ’50’s styling and music. It is both at once a familiar world, yet an alien world, one with notions that are totally opposite to our own.

Alice in Wonderland is a commonly used mind-control theme, it depicts a dream-world (alternative reality), upside down ideals (reversal of accepted beliefs), among much other symbolism. One of the main aspects of BioShock is the “Little Sisters”; young girls that very much have an Alice-like appearance. At one point near the start of the game a character speaks of these girls; “They are innocent girls turned into monsters. Whatever you thought of as right or wrong on the surface, counts for nothing down here.” The girls move around the city mutilating dead bodies in order to harvest a substance termed as “Adam”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTK9PjaHLT4&eurl=http://www.thethoughts.co.uk/thoughts/bioshock-symbolism-and-mind-control/

Already by this point, certain accepted ideals have clearly been turned upside down. Interestingly the name of the development studio that made the previous game “SystemShock” were called “Looking Glass Studios” (Through the Looking Glass?)

Around the city, the player comes into contact with mutated people known as “splicers”. These splicers are hostile towards the player and attack in a variety of ways. They look pretty much like everyday people, except subtly deformed. The splicers carry a strong theme of domestic violence, this is readily apparent in their aggressive shouting at each other as well as the player. The splicers are also suffering from deep anxiety; “I didn’t mean to do it!”, “Open the damn door!”, “My poor baby, momma’s gone and daddy too.” It goes on, and anxiety such as this is contagious - it leaves the player feeling more than subtly disturbed.

Each of the splicers wears a porcelain mask; these masks are another form of symbolism often used in mind control. For the most part these masks are of animals - and on some occasions are of a “white rabbit”, linking back to the ‘Alice in Wonderland’ theme. Throughout the game there are many posters on the walls, one in particular is of a man in a white rabbit mask - Donnie Darko style.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvOP7moBsxk&eurl=http://www.thethoughts.co.uk/thoughts/bioshock-symbolism-and-mind-control/

Now, one of the major elements in BioShock - which has been pushed as a relative innovation - is the games handling of water. The under sea city of Rapture, suffering from calamity has water pouring in abundance. This, along with the splicers, darkness and blood splattered rooms keeps a constant pressure on the player. The water at times floods rooms, slowly filling them, on occasion the water nears dangling electric cables. Glass windows crack under pressure and water starts seeping. In many places hypnotic and beautifully lit waterfalls cascade from walls and ceilings. This theme for water has been used under hypnosis in mind control experiments to provide for healing. The game then, uses water as both a source of anxiety and as a source of soothing.

Throughout the game the player is portrayed as both a victim and a saviour. They are placed in constant moral conundrums and forced to make decisions that go against conditioned belief systems. The developers have actually said this to be one of the main points of the game.

BioShock contains a lot of other well known and not so well known symbolism, sometimes in the open and other times subtly hidden. All in all BioShock marks a massive change in direction for video games, and follows the trend of many popular movies. The media of video games presents a unique take on the experience, and unlike movies, the viewer / player is required to directly participate. Sitting alone in a dark room, staring at the screen - it can really give you pause for thought.

The introduction to the game - and the final clip just below this paragraph - couldn’t make it any clearer. The traumatic experience of a plane crash, followed by near drowning. Finding yourself unexpectedly safe in a strange location. Containment in a small room whilst a video is played, destroying visions of your old reality…before finally the screen drops to reveal the New World.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2mhuPe3sMo&eurl=http://www.thethoughts.co.uk/thoughts/bioshock-symbolism-and-mind-control/

http://www.thethoughts.co.uk/thoughts/bioshock-symbolism-and-mind-control/

brown velvet

29-08-2008, 11:13 AM

London takes over as Olympic host (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/london_2012/7577999.stm)

Bird's nest stadium covered in pentagrams:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ZUY8XoD4w

first link
http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/olympics/Image2.jpg

Of course, it shows the 'exploding bus' in front of the Illuminati torch...

my own observations....

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the original damage at tavis

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/olympics/011tavistock.jpg

there is a whole thread going on somewhere else, lots more symbolism

brown.

brown velvet

29-08-2008, 11:19 AM

http://www.iorg.org/images/AlumniLogo.jpg
the order of the green groin?

look at the rainbow on the cauldron, it looks like the pelvis of a seated
girl in green underwear, with rainbow tights on each leg. There is a
pyramid, with an R on it, below the groin, pointing directly at the crotch

and why a cauldron? a witch's cauldron?

rainbow ref (http://kristinasworld.wordpress.com/2007/12/27/does-the-rainbow-prove-the-world-is-upside-down/)

http://kristinasworld.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/rainbow_illusion.jpg

A RAINBOW DOES NOT ACTUALLY EXIST AT A PARTICULAR LOCATION IN THE SKY. IT IS AN OPTICAL ILLUSION WHOSE APPARENT POSITION DEPENDS ON THE OBSERVER’S LOCATION AND THE POSITION OF THE SUN. BUT IT SURE LOOKS REAL!
I’ve often wondered why the 7 (chakra) colors of the rainbow are ”upside down.” That is, the red is closest to the sky and the indigo colors are towards earth. Red stands for the root and the most manifest and the bluer color for the higher chakras.

The Wikipedia explains: “More rarely, a secondary rainbow is seen, which is a second, fainter arc, outside the primary arc, with colours in the opposite order, that is, with violet on the outside and red on the inside.”

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/olympics/rainbow-socks.jpg

I agree, it does look like a seated girl, and I think it could just as easily be a 'pot of gold'. I just saw a cauldron......

brown.

eternal_spirit

29-08-2008, 05:36 PM

The Kabbalah is said to be used in mind control.

There's a lot of info on this link. I think some here will find it useful/interesting.

http://www.thewolfweb.com/photos/00259576.jpg
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/atrios/magictie.jpg
Bush's Judaic Technicolor Talmudic Tie of obedient Noahidism
Below are some samples of all the halaboo, regarding the rainbow tie that George Bush wore on his stage play, Press conference on the "Purim Iraq", Obedient Goyim opposition, Tuesday
When I am finished showing you the yap-yapping of the lap dog press Yid-iots, I will then show you, How effectively Bush set up the next stage of the Coup, of the Talmudic Olam haba, that jew World Odor, of their coming false Messiah, Moshaich ben Perdition, by sorceries.

http://www.samliquidation.com/rainbowstew.htm

brown velvet

29-08-2008, 06:04 PM

The Kabbalah is said to be used in mind control.
http://www.samliquidation.com/rainbowstew.htm

Hi :)

thank you:cool:

great linkhttp://e.deviantart.com/emoticons/f/faint.gif

brown.

brown velvet

29-08-2008, 07:36 PM

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''Instructions for the two ways of becoming Alice''

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Phi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phi_(letter))

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can't make out the subliminal but christ that ledger pics are in ya face!
never seen them before, pyramid on his forehead with a skull inside and what looks like a greek letter on the left. 3 on the right (or isit a B?) together it could also be seen as 13, wich is death in some tarot decks.

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Euler's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_totient_function) totient function

That Symbol On Her Forehead is:

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[B]Four Pi

... the cult, “is also deeply involved in white slavery, child pornography and the international narcotics trade.” Sanders alluded to serial “weird ritual mutilations and animal sacrifices” apparently committed in the Santa Cruz Mountains by a Process incarnation called the Four Pi.

I found this photo with these two letters "Φ + Δ" wasn't expecting Cobaine to turn up, honestly!

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/29%2008%2008%20four/cobaine002.jpg

The Four Pi Movement (http://www.skcentral.com/readarticle.php?article_id=326)

In 1969, while gathering material for a book on the Charles Manson case, journalist Ed Sanders encountered reports of a sinister Satanic cult alleged to practice human sacrifice in several parts of California, luring youthful members from college campuses throughout the western half of the United States. Calling itself the "Four Pi" or "Four P" movement, the cult originally boasted 55 members, of whom fifteen were middle-aged, the rest consisting of young men and women in their early twenties. The group's leader -- dubbed the "Grand Chingon" or "Head Devil" -- was said to be a wealthy California businessman of middle years, who exercised his power by compelling younger members of the cult to act as slaves and murder random targets on command. The central object of the cult was to promote "the total worship of evil."

Organized in Northern California during 1967, the Four Pi movement held its secret gatherings in the Santa Cruz mountains, south of San Francisco. Rituals were conducted on the basis of a stellar timetable, including the sacrifice of Doberman and German shepherd dogs. Beginning in June 1968, authorities in San Jose, Santa Cruz, and Los Gatos began recording discovery of canines, skinned and drained of blood without apparent motive. As the director of the Santa Cruz animal shelter told Sanders, "Whoever is doing this is a real expert with a knife. The skin is cut away without even marking the flesh. The really strange thing is that these dogs have been drained of blood."

If we accept the word of isolated witnesses, the missing blood was drunk by cultists in their ceremonies. So, according to reports, was human blood, obtained from sacrificial victims murdered on a dragon-festooned altar. Death was the result of stabbing with a custom-made six bladed knife, designed with blades of varied length to penetrate a victim's stomach first, before the heart was skewered, causing death. Each sacrifice allegedly was climaxed by removal of the heart, which cultists then divided up among themselves to eat. The evidence of murder was incinerated in a portable crematorium, mounted in the back of a truck.

According to reports from self-styled members of the Four Pi cult, its victims were mainly hitchhikers, drifters and runaways, with an occasional volunteer from the ranks. One such, a young woman, reportedly went to her death with a smile in November 1968, near Boulder Creek, but even sacrifice of willing victims is a risky business, and the cult was said to mount patrols around its rural meeting places, using guards with automatic weapons and attack trained dogs to guarantee privacy.

In early 1969, the cult reportedly moved southward, shifting operations to the O'Neil Park region of the Santa Ana Mountains, below Los Angeles. The move produced -- or was occasioned by -- a factional dispute within the group, one segment striving to de-emphasize Satanic ritual and concentrate wholeheartedly on kinky sex, while more traditional adherents clung to Lucifer and human sacrifice. The group apparently survived its schism and expanded nationwide, with author Maury Terry citing evidence of a thousand or more members across the country by 1979. One hotbed of activity appears to be New York, where 85 German shepherds and Dobermans were found skinned in the year between October 1976 and October 1977.

Along the way, the "Four Pi" movement has apparently rubbed shoulders with a number of notorious killers, feeding -- or, perhaps, inspiring -- their sadistic fantasies. Serial slayer Stanley Baker, jailed in Montana for eating the heart of one victim, confessed to other murders perpetrated on orders from the "Grand Chingon." Recruited from a college campus in Wyoming, Baker remained unrepentant in confinement, organizing fellow inmates into a Satanic coven of his own, but his testimony brought lawmen no closer to cracking the cult.

Charles Manson and his "family" reportedly had contact with the Four Pi movement, prior to making headlines in Los Angeles. Ed Sanders reports that some of Manson's followers referred to him -- in Sanders' presence -- as the "Grand Chingon," distinguished from the original article by his age and the fact that Manson was jailed while the real "Chingon" remains at large. Likewise, "family" hacker Susan Atkins has described the sacrifice of dogs by Manson's group, and searchers digging for the last remains of Manson victim Shorty Shea reported finding large numbers of chicken and animal bones at the family's campsite -- a peculiar form of garbage for a group reputedly comprised of vegetarians.

Convicted killer David Berkowitz -- more famous as the "Son of Sam" who terrorized New York in 1976 and '77 -- has also professed membership in the Four Pi cult, revealing inside knowledge of a California homicide allegedly committed by the group. In 1979, Berkowitz smuggled a book on witchcraft out of his prison cell, with passages on Manson and the Four Pi movement underlined. One page bore a cryptic notation in the killer's own handwriting : "Arlis Perry. Hunted, stalked, and slain. Followed to California." As researched by Maury Terry, the Berkowitz note points directly to an unsolved murder committed at Stanford University in mid-October 1974.

On October 11 of that year, co-ed Arlis Perry was found in the campus chapel at Stanford, nude from the waist down, a long candle protruding from her vagina. Her blouse had been ripped open, and another candle stood between her breasts. Beaten and choked unconscious by her assailant, she was finally killed with an ice pick, buried in her skull behind the left ear. In subsequent conversations and correspondence, Berkowitz alleged that Perry was killed by Four Pi members as "a favor" to cultists in her hometown Bismarck, North Dakota, whom she had apparently offended in some way. Her slayer was named by Berkowitz as "Manson II," a professional killer "involved with the original Manson and the cult there in L.A."

Aside from participation in human and canine sacrifice, with the occasional gang-rape of teenage girls, Four Pi cultists also reportedly share a fascination with Nazi racist doctrines. One alleged member, named by Berkowitz, was Frederick Cowan, a neofascist from New Rochelle, New York, who was suspended from work after quarreling with his Jewish boss in February 1977. Turning up at the plant with a small arsenal on February 14, Cowan killed five persons and wounded two others before turning a gun on himself. Maury Terry has also linked cult activity with the unsolved case of the "Westchester Dart man," who wounded 23 women in New York's Westchester and Rockland Counties, between February 1975 and May 1976.

Despite the testimony of reputed Four Pi members, authorities have yet to build a case against the cult. Some suspects, named by witnesses, have died in "accidents" or "suicides" before they could be questioned by police. Another obstacle appears to be the use of code names, which prevent the cultists from identifying one another under questioning. The group itself relies on different names from place to place, with New York members meeting as "The Children," while Alabama hosts "The Children of the Light" (suspected of involvement in 25 murders since 1987). A faction called the "Black Cross" is said to operate as a kind of Satanic Murder Incorporated, fielding anonymous hit teams for cultists nationwide, disposing of defectors and offering pointers on the fine art of human sacrifice. If law enforcement spokesmen are correct, the cult is also deeply involved in white slavery, child pornography , and the international narcotics trade.

charliemanson (http://www.charliemanson.com/process-2.htm)

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phi delta beta
Φ Δ β
Sisters Together Sisters Forever (http://phideltabeta.org/)

this image is amazing! BE AWARE. And triggery.
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brown.

hunkahunka

30-08-2008, 03:27 AM

incredible work , Brown, [please keep it coming]

moonshine

30-08-2008, 05:28 AM

American foundation for suicide prevention - Split faces
http://i38.tinypic.com/11l7pc5.jpg

lordzoma

30-08-2008, 06:09 AM

brown velvet

30-08-2008, 06:26 PM

The starting point of Art Tatum's (http://www.duke.edu/~njh3/biography.html) style was Fats Waller's stride. As Tatum once said, "Fats, that's where I come out of and, man, that's quite a place to come from". From this beginning he went on to create and superbly original and creative style of playing piano. His left-handed figures where similar to stride but he was really known for the way that he explored harmonic complexities and unusual chord progressions. When improvising, Tatum would often insert totally new chord sequences (occasionally with a chord on each beat) into one or two measures. He also developed the habit of quoting from other melodies, something that became a standard practice among modern jazz musicians. What really set Tatum apart was his amazing technical abilities which combined with his willingness to explore the imagined limitations of the orthodox keyboard which produced astonishing rhythmic and harmonic complexities. It is claimed that he could identify the dominant note in a flushing toilet. Perhaps the greatest tribute to the excellence of Art Tatum lies in the opinions of his peers. His influenced many musicians including Bud Powell, Herbie Hancock, and even non-pianists such as Charlie Parker and John Coltrane. Many would say that he inspired the bebop revolution in jazz. When Oscar Peterson first heard him play he thought it was two people and he considered Tatum the best jazz instrumentalist of all time. Legend has it that classical pianist Vladimir Horowitz was so awed by Tatum's wizardry that it brought him to tears. Fittingly, his strongest support comes from one of his early influences, Fats Waller. One time in 1938 Tatum dropped in to hear Waller play at a club. By way of introduction Waller told the audience, "I just play the piano, but God is in the house tonight."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaPeks0H3_s&feature=related

Art Tatum (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6434701):

A Talent Never to Be Duplicated
"Tatum's playing was unworldly, unreal, because his standard was so high," says Dick Hyman, a Florida-based pianist and composer who is considered a great performer of early piano jazz.

"Tatum's harmonies to begin with were beyond what anybody was doing at the time... really beyond what anybody's done since," Hyman says.

====================

His piano playing was so advanced almost nobody can copy him.

And yet, his genius is remembered, in small, but significant ways.

A few years ago, a young MIT grad student invented a term that's now in common usage in the field of computational musicology: The tatum.

It means "the smallest perceptual time unit in music."

Tatum O'Neal (http://europe.real.com/video/browse/showbiz/14380/-stories-page-4/) has been arrested on drugs charges
The 44-year-old actress was arrested for buying crack cocaine and powder cocaine a few blocks from her apartment in New York on Sunday

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Tatum O’Neil (http://www.celebitchy.com/12106/tatum_oneil_busted_for_crack_and_cocaine/) is like the female equivalent of Robert Downey Jr. The former child star has been battling substance abuse for years and comes from a family that’s filled with similar problems, including her half brothers, Griffin and Patrick, both of whom have served jail time for drug related charges. O’Neil lost custody of her children with tennis star John McEnroe due to her heroin addiction, and in the years since has worked hard to clean up her act for her kids’ sake.

her childhood sounds like it was no picnic- she says she was molested by one of her father’s friends, and both her parents had substance abuse problems. Not that these are excuses for her drug addiction, but there’s a definite pattern of drug use that she grew up around- as evidenced by the similar problems her brothers have had.

same site,
the responses

Not sure that I really buy the statement that it was her first relapse, but if it was, the cops were probably doing her a favor.

In listing Tatum’s troubled family you forgot her half-brother Redmond, the son of Ryan O’Neal and Farrah Fawcett, who’s been in and out of rehab about 20 times. He was the one Griffin reportedly chained to a radiator to keep him from going out and buying PCP.

Those are some powerful addiction genes…

From the outside looking in, all I can say is that that whole family is tragically broken. Every day must be overwhelmingly painful. The little I read of her autobiography was so alarming. Her father is clearly a complete narcissist (and I don’t mean arrogant–I mean DSM IV character disorder), which is almost as bad as having a father who physically abandons you. Narcissists are simply incapable of understanding other people’s needs and feelings. She seems lonely and pained to me. I’m not excusing her behavior, just feeling empathy for her.

just finished her autobiography, and this woman has had some rough shit to deal with.. She has always intrigued me being of the same era, and I hope she finds happiness , sometimes it takes a lifetime.

here (http://glosslip.com/2008/06/04/tatum-oneal-arrest-proves-overcoming-addiction-is-never-easy/)
If anyone knows her history with her father, that pretty much explains it all. During both of their heydays in the 70’s when she was 10, 12 14, years old he brought her around to all the hollywood parties basically as his date- this went on for years. It was always in the tabloids.

And unless you’ve read her book you might not know that daddy dear had her sleep with him in bed everynight. Hmmm, nothing wrong with that, just as Michael Jackson. Gee, I wonder who that family “friend” sexual abuser was?

Oh, not to mention that daddy dear is the one who thought it was an ok idea to get her first addiciton going at 9 years old (or how ever old she was in Paper Moon).

Besides all that, he father was a piece of shit and her mother was in shambles. Her and her brother had to take care of themselves like orphans. Goes on and on…..

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Ryan O’Neal (http://glosslip.com/2007/02/05/ryan-oneal-arrested-fired-on-son-sadly-missed/)
It’s kind of too bad he missed. O’Neal killing his loser son would have been fitting closure to this kid’s useless life. Griffin, 42, brother to famous sister Tatum, is a well-known scofflaw whose reckless drug and alcohol use, combined with his crappy boating skills killed Gian-Carlo Coppola, the son of film director Francis Ford Coppola in 1986. How did Griffin show his remorse for taking his friend’s life?

After being fined $200 and sentenced to 18 months probation in 1987, Griffin, who was initally charged with manslaughter, was ultimately only found guilty of negligent boat operation. To add insult to injury, Griffin then spent 18 days in jail for not performing community service stemming from the boating accident.

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I will never make it as a pap. This is TATUM ONEIL and ALEC BALDWIN. I swear. Why were they trolling avenue A on a Wed. night? Who knows, not buying crack again I hope!

lots of Tatum (http://technorati.com/videos/tag/tatum+oneill) O'neil vids

Mirror
Tatum (http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/latest/2008/06/04/tatum-o-neal-blames-dog-s-death-for-her-drug-arrest-115875-20594182/), who faces a drug trial next month, said the officers had done her a good turn, adding: "I'm still sober. Just when I was about to change that and wreck my life, the cops came and saved me."

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http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/pg2/2002/0705/photo/tatum.jpg
3. Tatum O'Neal (http://espn.go.com/page2/movies/s/list/movies/actress/best.html) in "Bad News Bears" (1976)
If you're of a certain age when you watch "The Bad News Bears," you can't help but fall hard for O'Neal's Amanda Whurlitzer. She's very, very pretty. She can pitch. And you can tell she wants to be sexy, but like any soon-to-be-12-year-old, doesn't quite know how. O'Neal's performance in this film, like her sidekick Walter Matthau's, brings a subtlety and sophistication that raises this broad kid comedy to another level.

Site (http://www.amny.com/news/local/multimedia/ny-tatumonealphotos,0,5036586.photogallery?index=10) with 17 images.

gold oscar, red dress, red carpet
http://www.calendarlive.com/media/photo/2003-03/7117705.jpg

Former Oscar winner Tatum O'Neal arrives in a vivid red gown with her daughter in tow. (Ken Hively / LAT)

a photo Ryan O'Neal and Tatum O'Neal (http://www.jamd.com/search?assettype=g&assetid=2416608&text=tatum+oneal)

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What seems most odd to me is that I could not find much info about the brothers....:confused: The info about any of them seems sparse at best, considering the family as a whole.... Protected?

brown.

cheeb

30-08-2008, 08:41 PM

TheZodiac Killer

Aug 28, 2008 7:50 pm US/Pacific
Zodiac Killer's Identity And Weapon Uncovered?
Local Man: Zodiac Killer Was My Stepfather

SACRAMENTO (CBS13) ― The Zodiac Killer attacked at least eight people, terrorizing the Bay Area and taunting police in the 60's and 70's. Thursday, the FBI confirmed to CBS13 they are now running laboratory tests on some items that may link a suspect to the killer.

The evidence was given to the FBI by a Pollock Pines man who also claims he recently found the disguise worn by the Zodiac Killer during one of his attacks.

http://cbs5.com/national/zodiac.killer.kaufman.2.806089.html

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/images/ZU%20cover.jpg

For a greater part of the 1960’s, Northern California was stalked by a serial killer known only as the Zodiac Killer. He was notorious for sending the police letters in his signature handwriting, complete with disturbing jokes and lewd comments targeting police. Over the years the Zodiac talked to newspapers, police and other agencies about shooting little school children, stabbing police, strangling citizens and planting a homemade bomb at an office building. He included sketches of weapons, greeting cards, and even blood soaked pieces of clothing from his victims.

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The Zodiac Killers modus operandi is intriguing, as he wrote letters to media in code language about the killings ,sometimes even before hand . In fact, once he even called up the police and accepted responsibility for killing two youngsters in a parking lot. The call was traced to a telephone booth near the Vallejo Police Department. In 1968, the Zodiac killings came to light with the murder of Betty Lou Jensen and David Faraday on December 20, 1968 in California City. He shot them point blank on their head. A neighborhood lady Stella Borges found the bodies and alerted the police. But no leads were found. This was followed by a spate of killings which baffled the cops and made them helpless. No conclusive evidence was found in any of the killings.

In 1969, letters were received by the Vallejo Times-Herald, the San Francisco Chronicle, and the San Francisco Examiner. The letters consisted of one third of a cryptogram with a total of 408 characters which he claimed contained his identity. He demanded they be printed on the front page or he would go on a rampage and kill a dozen people that weekend. Though the threatened murders did not happen, all three parts were eventually published.

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/4048/richardnz2.gif

One of the most noticable facets of the Zodiac Killer was his attitude. He has always been overly confident, a little too confident. Although he never signed his letters, he left a trademark symbol instead.Zodiac Symbol

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/8301/zodiacgunat2.gif

Many of the Zodiac’s letters also included complex ciphers written inside. Hidden messages with thousands of combinations and possible answer keys. In 1969 the first Zodiac cipher was cracked by a school teacher, and read:

”I LIKE KILLING PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH FUN IT IS MORE FUN THAN KILLING WILD GAME IN THE FORREST BECAUSE MAN IS THE MOST DANGEROUE ANAMAL OF ALL TO KILL SOMETHING GIVES ME THE MOST THRILLING EXPERENCE IT IS EVEN BETTER THAN GETTING YOUR ROCKS OFF WITH A GIRL THE BEST PART OF IT IS THAE WHEN I DIE I WILL BE REBORN IN PARADICE AND THEI HAVE KILLED WILL BECOME MY SLAVES I WILL NOT GIVE YOU MY NAME BECAUSE YOU WILL TRY TO SLOI DOWN OR ATOP MY COLLECTIOG OF SLAVES FOR MY AFTERLIFE.”

Here is the Zodiac Killer’s unsolved 340 character cipher:

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4114/cipher1di6.gif

That Symbol Is The Same As The One Used By The Process Church Of Final Judgement..

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/686/processcirclecrosskv8.jpg

brown velvet

30-08-2008, 09:15 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Sally_Field_at_Expo_67_waving.jpg
Sally Field waves to fans at Expo '67
ExpOz? Las Vegas MGM 1995 Oz
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http://www.worldfromtheweb.com/Parks/LasVegas/55084_04.jpg
The Wizard of Oz at the MGM, circa 1995. A complete redesign and facelift has occurred since then.

I went to this casino many years ago, at the time having no clue as to the importance of it... as I said, stupidly I took out the fab 5, the models were all life size. The whole illusion was HUGE. Stopped you in your tracks as you walked in.

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More (http://www.latech.edu/tech/orgs/greek/deltagamma/ABOUT.HTM) About Delta Gamma and the Epsilon Omega Chapter
Our mascot is the Hannah Doll.
http://www.latech.edu/tech/orgs/greek/deltagamma/hannahwave.bmp.gif

Delta Gamma (http://www.sororitysisters.net/mascots/hannahdoll) has adopted the classic Raggedy Ann as their sorority mascot where she is known as Hannah Doll. I have always loved these vintage floppy rag dolls, but I have recently learned that not all girls share this sentiment. Do you think Hannah Dolls are scary?
Here is a funny comment about Hannah Doll:
CarolinaDG:

.. I'm deathly afraid of our Hannah dolls. They are EVERYWHERE in our chapter room! When we were first new members, we used to call her "psycho doll" because she was like Chuckie... just kind of appeared at the corner of pictures and stuff... YIKES!!! Well, as I pledged and learned the meaning, I fear her a little less, though I do admit, there are only two Hannah dolls in my room (mine and my roommate's), and I use mine to freak my roommate out late at night. I've done it to her so many times, but she's still scared to death when I peek it over the side of the bunk at her. Fun times, DG!

lots and lots of Hannah / Raggedy Ann dolls for sale....

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/28%2008%2008%20ann%20dolls/001a.jpg

Raggedy Ann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raggedy_Ann) and Andy in popular culture
Raggedy Ann is sometimes used by national sororities as a mascot: the current incarnation of Delta Gamma's official mascot, the Hannah Doll, is a Raggedy Ann doll, and Ann also is one of the unofficial mascots of the Alpha Sigma Alpha sorority.

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/28%2008%2008%20ann%20dolls/bewitched01.jpg

#219: “Samantha (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/sd-dvd-tv-shows-tv-movies/272368-bewitched-season-7-a.html) and the Troll” 2/18/71 –
Bob Cummings plays the client. He had his own TV show during the 50s.

Felix Silla plays the furry Troll. He is best known for playing another furry creature, Cousin Itt, on the Addams Family.

Diane Murphy, who once upon a time played Tabitha, plays the Raggedy Ann doll

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Artist's (http://rebeckabergvall.deviantart.com/art/She-is-Back-63493426)Comments
This picture goes to my poem She's Back I wrote about a year ago.

She came and visited me last night
She came and visited me today
She made me do things I did not want
She made me say things I did not want to say
She tells me how I am going to die
She tells me I am a big fat lie
She hates me and tells me I am obscene
Worthless and ugly, a piece of trash that has been thrown to the street
She wants to kill me, she tells me that everyday
Stick a knife in my stomach and see the blood flow away
Cut of my arms, saw of my legs
Stick me with needles, peel of my skin
Take a razor, make a brand new red scar
Take a broken bottle and make new hole in my heart
She never stops, she never says nice things
I cannot take it, I hurt myself to make her go away
The pills destroy us both, they take everything away
Nothing, just empty, I rather be dead
I hate him so much, but not as much as I hate myself
I hate my angel who took my value away
Took all I had and left me to die
I am not dead yet, but soon in a short wile
I feel so used, I feel so unclean
Broken and empty, dirty and obscene
Nothing again will ever love this thing
This Raggedy Ann doll is thrown away

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raggedy zombies2

http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs22/i/2007/346/a/3/raggedy_zombies2_by_rachelmcc_ass_ky.jpg

Artist (http://rachelmcc-ass-ky.deviantart.com/art/raggedy-zombies2-71997188)'s Comments
my babies

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http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/28%2008%2008%20ann%20dolls/raggedyann08.jpg

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/28%2008%2008%20ann%20dolls/raggedyann010.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPN1aWNSv1A&NR=1

and all the while, Gary Glitter is singing this.....

Gary Glitter - Do You Wanna Touch Me (http://www.lyricsdownload.com/gary-glitter-do-you-wanna-touch-me-oh-yeah-lyrics.html) (Oh Yeah)

We've been here too long tryin' to get along
Pretending that you're oh so shy
I'm a natural man doin' all I can
My temp'rature is runnin' high
Friday night no one in sight and we got so much to share
Talkin's fine if you got the time, I ain't got the time to spare

Do you wanna touch? - Yeah! Do you wanna touch? - Yeah!
Do you wanna touch me there? Yeah!
Do you wanna touch? - Yeah! Do you wanna touch? - Yeah!
Do you wanna touch me there? Where? There! Yeah! Oh!

Yeah! Oh yeah! Oh yeah! Mymymymymy!
Yeah! Oh yeah! Oh yeah!

Ev'ry growin' boy needs a little joy, all you do is sit an' stare
Beggin' on my knees, baby won't you please
Run your fingers thru' my hair
My my my whisky & Dry, don't it make you feel so fine?
Right or wrong, don't it turn you on
Can't you see we're wastin' time?

Do you wanna touch? - Yeah! Do you wanna touch? - Yeah!
Do you wanna touch me there? Yeah!
Do you wanna touch? - Yeah! Do you wanna touch? - Yeah!
Do you wanna touch me there? Where? There! Yeah! Oh!

Yeah! Oh yeah! Oh yeah! There there there there
Yeah! Oh yeah! Oh yeah! Ow
Yeah! Oh yeah! Oh yeah! ....
Every growing boy needs a little joy -
Beggin' on my knees, baby if you please -
Every growing boy needs a little toy -
I'm a natural man doin' all I can -
Every Friday night I got to get it right -
I'm waiting so long oh - ....

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/28%2008%2008%20ann%20dolls/raggedyann09.jpg

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Smiley (http://thehyacinthgirls.com/2008/04/29/i-am-doll-parts-bad-skin-doll-heart/) faces in random places scare the bejesus out of me, but not as much as dolls do. My fear of dolls is a direct result of an episode of The Waltons (yes I watched The Waltons! do not judge me!) I saw when I was very, very young. The episode was “The Changling,” and in it, Elizabeth — perhaps experiencing teenage angst for the very first time — realizes that whenever she gets angry or upset, things start to move around the house. There was one scene (that is giving me chillbumps as I’m typing this. seriously.) where Elizabeth was in bed on a dark stormy night. She looks across her room at her WRETCHED WRETCHED RAGGEDY ANN DOLL when the lightning flashes. When the lightning flashes once more, Elizabeth sees that her WRETCHED WICKED EVIL RAGGEDY ANN DOLL HAS CHANGED LOCATIONS!!! How could this have happened, most fashionable reader? HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED???!!!

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The Minds of Billy Milligan (http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0553263811)

I hate to sound morbid or cruel but I don't think the author really explains the actual cruelty and abuse that Billy suffered at the hands of his stepfather on that farm in Ohio. I am glad that the author shows us pictures of the real Billy and his family. We should realize how important the effects of cruel child abuse whether physical, sexual, emotional or psychological can manifest in a young child like Billy. Of course, there is no excuse for his crimes of raping women. The author explains the development of Billy's mind and the fragments which holds the personalities or individuals that make him. Without them in the first place, Billy would not be alive. They came to be because of the abuse and it was a self-defense mechanism to help him cope and survive. Of course, how would be respond as young children in his situation of cruelty at the hands of a stepfather who just hated the boy. Anyway, the author does also show his drawings and how the authorities and psychiatrists came to believe that he was indeed insane at the time of his crimes. The pictures and drawings in the book indicate trouble especially the raggedy ann doll with a noose around her neck as a sign of trouble. Even Sybil was or is still an artist herself, creative people like Billy and Sybil developed their personalities in order to cope with such needless suffering, cruelty, and abuse at the hands of those who claimed to have loved them, their own parents. Of course, Sybil's mother was mentally ill but went untreated and Billy's mother left his stepfather because of all the abuse in the household.

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Greetings to everyone new to this site (http://wrko.com/Whitey-Watch/975375), which is dedicated to the pursuit and career of fugitive serial killer James "Whitey" Bulger and the Boston underworld in general.

I have placed this link up, even though I cannot tell if the image shown is of Raggedy Ann because cheeb

It Had The Mark Of The Mob

Anyone that has dealt with the mob knows this is the way they send a message. Elizabeth had been sodomized, raped, tortured, mutilated, and thrown in a public area. The mutilation of the mouth was the trademark of someone who was about to talk. posted about the 'mob' and this is an odd link if ever there was one.....

(notice the Raggedy Ann sleeping bag....)

brown.

moonshine

30-08-2008, 09:24 PM

I don't even understand that suicide thing.

If 16 minutes = suicide

and 17 minutes = someone making sense of it...

That means 32,850 suicides a year

and 30,918 people left to make sense of it

meaning that 1932 suicides are left un-sensed every year! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::

:confused::confused::confused:

It could mean that the real cause of a mind control slaves death goes undetected? and is passed off as just another suicide statistic. AFSP gives the masons and the cia the perfect cover.

19+32= 51 - 5+1= 6 - 3 3

1+9 + 3+2= 15 - 1+5= 6 - 3 3

33 is a big number for the Masons. As this is the highest degree in Masonry you can hold. it shows Freemasonry's involvement in global mind control/programming and slave rings.

onourwayto2012

30-08-2008, 09:48 PM

Always really liked Joan Jett's version of Do You Wanna Touch but even though I knew it was a G Glitter song I never realized the disgusting implications of that till I read that earlier post with the lyrics. Man talk about bein right out there with it.

onourwayto2012

30-08-2008, 10:02 PM

Soulja.....thanks for the Suspiria posts earlier. That may be my all time favorite movie, at least in the top 3. Anyhow I am going to have to revisit it as I never looked at it in that way before. I was just always amazed at the inventive sets, lighting, atmosphere AND hands down the creepiest ,scariest soundtrack ever from the band Goblin. I actually preferred the mix of it on my old VHS tape where it wasn't so crisp and clear... everything just kind of blended together and when played loud was truly frightening. Too bad ol Dario has never been able to top that. However all these posts have really made me consider my entertainment choices. First it was my heavy metal, now all my movies..... sure hope we don't discover something sinister about PUGS!

emerald

31-08-2008, 12:11 AM

cheeb

31-08-2008, 01:12 AM

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/thatsreallyweek/22606/august-25-sept-1-crashing-burning-and-sharkjumping

It's been a rough week for hip-hop moguls. And the one having the roughest time of all has to be poor Dr. Dre. This should be an exciting and productive time for the good Doctor, as he prepares to finally release Detox, the third and final installment in his solo album trilogy. But instead, Dre is grappling with a massive catastrophe in his personal life: This past weekend, his 20-year-old son Andre Young Jr. was found dead in his bedroom. The cause of Andre's death won't be certain until toxicology test results come back in about eight weeks, but news reports reveal he died after a Saturday night out with friends.

"Dr. Dre is mourning the loss of his son. Please respect his family's grief and privacy at this time," Dre's rep Lori Earl announced in a statement Monday. Given the magnitude of this tragedy, we're going to heed Lori's request, refrain from speculating about the cause of this extremely young man's suspicious death, and simply send Dre and his family our condolences at this difficult time.

Emerald I Was Going To Post On Gwen Stefani Weeks Ago,
But I Thought It Was Too Fluffy.....

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/2769/gwenstefanirichgirlhb0.jpg
Hearts,Pirates,Eve, Fleur De Lyse, Roses-Bloodline She Is Related To Madonna, Alanis, Celine Dion, Camilla.....

"Rich Girl" is a pop-ragga song performed by singer Gwen Stefani featuring Eve.
The song was primarily written by Dr. Dre, Eve, and Stefani,
with other collaborators for Stefani's debut solo album Love. Angel. Music. Baby (2004)

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5713/returnofsaturnbh1.jpg
SaturnRainbows, Masks And Decapitation....

THE SATURNALIAN BROTHERHOOD
SATURN THE GOD EL
(THE BLACK SQUARE/BLACK SUN)
That's A Whole New Topic Though...!!!!

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5263/gwenstefani4inthemorninyt5.jpg
One Eye Symbolism Again...

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2472/gwenstafinigob3.jpg
One Eye..Masonic G

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7231/gwenstafinibondagepv8.jpg
Bondage And Masonic Key Around Her Neck...

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5018/nodoubteu2.jpg
"Canary" (informant) is a (somewhat dated) slang term for a criminal,
who decides to inform on another criminal, from the expression to 'sing like a canary'.

Jeff Buckley & John Spence went to Loara High School in Anaheim with Gwen Stefani,
both died under suspicious circumstances.
Brad Nowell of Sublime recorded 'Saw Red' with Stefani,
he died of an overdose on 26 May 1996,
10 years before the birth of her first child Kingston.
Her first boyfriend also committed suicide
10 years after meeting her in 1989.
The songs Rich Girl & Let Me Blow Ya Mind by Gwen Stefani & Eve
were produced by Dr Dre whose son
Andre was found dead
2 days after the birth of Stefanis second child, Zuma, he was 20.
Eddie Araujo, the transgendered victim of a homophobic murder in 2002,
changed his name to Gwen,
he was killed on 3 October, her 33rd birthday.
The body was found at Lake Tahoe,
near the scene of a double Zodiac killing in 1971

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6192/gwenstefanihollarback30bq3.jpg

cheeb

31-08-2008, 03:52 AM

Re The Zodiac Killer

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3760/zodiackillermessage2tn6.jpg
The Car Door

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/6037/ranchdoorun3.jpg
The Helter Skelter Door

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7511/zodiackillermessage19p3ag3.gif
The Taunt

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7048/zodiackillermessage19p4rm2.gif
Eye And Moon Symbology,
From The Zodiac Killer..?????

schaff

31-08-2008, 09:05 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaPeks0H3_s&feature=related

Art Tatum (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6434701):

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Tatum O'Neal (http://europe.real.com/video/browse/showbiz/14380/-stories-page-4/) has been arrested on drugs charges
The 44-year-old actress was arrested for buying crack cocaine and powder cocaine a few blocks from her apartment in New York on Sunday

http://i00.rnhh.de/eu/fd/inc/realgen/ssi/FreedomShowbizImages/51/43/bigimage_14380.jpg

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/30%2008%2008/papermoon03.jpg

same site,
the responses

here (http://glosslip.com/2008/06/04/tatum-oneal-arrest-proves-overcoming-addiction-is-never-easy/)

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/30%2008%2008/papermoon02.jpg

Ryan O’Neal (http://glosslip.com/2007/02/05/ryan-oneal-arrested-fired-on-son-sadly-missed/)

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/30%2008%2008/alecbaldwin.jpg
I will never make it as a pap. This is TATUM ONEIL and ALEC BALDWIN. I swear. Why were they trolling avenue A on a Wed. night? Who knows, not buying crack again I hope!

lots of Tatum (http://technorati.com/videos/tag/tatum+oneill) O'neil vids

Mirror

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/30%2008%2008/papermoon01.jpg

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/pg2/2002/0705/photo/tatum.jpg
3. Tatum O'Neal (http://espn.go.com/page2/movies/s/list/movies/actress/best.html) in "Bad News Bears" (1976)

Site (http://www.amny.com/news/local/multimedia/ny-tatumonealphotos,0,5036586.photogallery?index=10) with 17 images.

gold oscar, red dress, red carpet
http://www.calendarlive.com/media/photo/2003-03/7117705.jpg

Former Oscar winner Tatum O'Neal arrives in a vivid red gown with her daughter in tow. (Ken Hively / LAT)

a photo Ryan O'Neal and Tatum O'Neal (http://www.jamd.com/search?assettype=g&assetid=2416608&text=tatum+oneal)

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/30%2008%2008/papermoon04.jpg

What seems most odd to me is that I could not find much info about the brothers....:confused: The info about any of them seems sparse at best, considering the family as a whole.... Protected?

brown.

dont know if you saw my earlier post regarding tatum oneal but found ths on wiki

O'Neal describes her upbringing as chaotic, with her mother battling drug and alcohol problems and neglecting the care of her and her brother Griffin, while her father was absent and prone to abusive outbursts of temper. After her parents divorced, Ryan O'Neal obtained custody and Tatum was exposed to his celebrity, bachelor lifestyle, as well as his temper.

O'Neal writes in her autobiography that when she was 13, her father took her and her friend Melanie Griffith on a trip to Europe, where she caught him having sex with Griffith in their hotel room. She also claims that when her father left for a movie shoot, she smoked opium with Griffith and then invited a male hairdresser and his girlfriend to their hotel room where the four of them participated in an orgy that Griffith had dragged her into.[1]

Also in her autobiography, O'Neal says she had a brief makeout session with Michael Jackson, who left because he got too nervous. He told the press, years later, that she was his first love. They continued a relationship that ended in 1979 when her manager told her it would be unacceptable for her to be with a black man.

Tatum O'Neal was born into the motion picture family of actor Ryan O'Neal and actress Joanna Cook Moore. Her brother, Griffin, was born in 1964. In 1967, her parents divorced. Her father married actress Leigh Taylor-Young, a marriage which produced her half-brother, Patrick. She also has another half-brother, Redmond, from Ryan O'Neal's relationship with actress Farrah Fawcett. Tatum's mother died in 1997 of lung cancer at age 63, after a career in which she had appeared in such movies as Touch of Evil.

[edit] A Paper Life
In her autobiography, "A Paper Life", Tatum O'Neal alleged that she had been molested by a male friend of her father. Tatum also alleges physical and emotional abuse from her father, much of which she attributes to drug use. In the book, Tatum also details her own heroin addiction and its effects on her relationship with her children.

sirlozo

31-08-2008, 09:11 PM

I personally think Courtney Love had Kurt murdered.

Grunge was NEVER a rebellious movement really , it was about apathy - ' Here we are now , Entertain Us '. Grunge appealed to slackers who didn't really care about politics or rebellion , who were a bit depressed maybe.

However Kurt did suffer from a mysterious stomach complaint which seemed to be psychosomatic ( doctors couldn't find any medical cause for it ) and , bizarrely enough , some sort of narcolepsy.

He was homeless living under a bridge at one point , so maybe he was picked up by security agents and experimented on. However I don't think the CIA had anything to do with his death.
same

schaff

31-08-2008, 09:33 PM

dave grohl has done pretty well from kurts death and he recorded played all the instruments to cut the first foo fighters album.now the foos are a major stadium rock band who have sold millions of albums.

http://www.jimmypageonline.com/mediac/400_0/media/DIR_102039/59bdce59.jpg

the upside down cross did he sell his soul for rock.

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/events/PRN-012379.jpg

emerald

01-09-2008, 12:17 PM

JULIE WALTERS confessed her rape, now its HELEN MIRREN'S turn. Let's hear it. Sounds like bullshit to me that part with "the men werent violent", but whatever... Don't xpect her to mention any (famous) name, naturlich...:D

Mirren's Rape Ordeals

Dame Helen Mirren was the victim of sex crimes in her youth - because she didn't have the courage to stand up to men who wanted sex with her.

The veteran British actress has admitted she was date-raped on several occasions, but never reported the incidents to the police because the men involved weren't violent.

In a candid interview with Britain's GQ magazine the actress says, "It's such a tricky area (rape), isn't it? Especially if there is no violence. I mean, look at Mike Tyson. I don't think he was a rapist.

"I was (date-raped), yes. A couple of times. Not with excessive violence, or being hit, but rather being locked in a room and made to have sex against my will."

And the star believes that, although women have every right to say no to men in the bedroom, they shouldn't press charges against someone they were planning on being sexually active with.

She adds, "I don't think she can have that man into court under those circumstances."

hunkahunka

01-09-2008, 05:23 PM

new ridiculously bad horror movie:

http://www.horror-movies.ca/albums/userpics/poster_strangers_busstop_poster.jpg

http://www.upcominghorrormovies.com/movies/thestrangers.jpg

http://www.elseptimoarte.net/carteles/the_strangers.jpg
Inspired by true events? Sounds like a threat of some sort.

http://www.horrorphile.net/images/the-strangers-scott-speedman1.jpg

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/877/877682/the-strangers-20080529000920253_640w.jpg

brown velvet

01-09-2008, 05:24 PM

The dominoes. There’s a (red and black colored) domino knock down scene forming a large “V” towards the end of the movie, just before V heads out to blow up Parliament and face his inevitable death/suicide. Turn the hologram image one way and it represents the connectedness of all things, one of the sub-themes of the movie. Turned another way, with the knowledge that dominoes are used in mind control, and it has another meaning. Again, quoting from Fritz Springmeier:

“The dominoes were used for coding, but they also had the programming feature of being able to tie alters together so that if the system is tampered with out of sequence, a domino effect would take place This domino effect is for one program to set off another program to set off another program. Soon the Monarch slave’s mind is trying to deal with dozens of suicide programs running simultaneously…”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPfI9oxZuEo Go on, it's only 43 seconds long.....;)

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/31%2008%2008%20V/v001.jpg

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/31%2008%2008%20V/v002.jpg

The Fritz(meister) (http://educate-yourself.org/mc/illumformula11chap.shtml)
A group of alters could be taught to go up on their Potter’s wheel by seeing a pattern of dominoes. It is whatever the programmer decides.

The dominoes were used for coding, but they also had the programming feature of being able to tie alters together so that if the System is tampered with out of sequence, a domino effect would take place. This domino effect is for one program to set off another program to set off another program. Soon the Monarch slave’s mind is trying to deal with dozens of suicide programs running simultaneously, along with perhaps other programs such as scrambling programs.

The programs are put into a System and given codes. These programs use Greek, Hebrew and Druidic letters (or other esoteric languages) in their activation codes. Actually, these alphabets also are the way these people numbered with, and the Greek, Hebrew & Druid letters were used as numbers. These programs could be called Utility Programs, because they function much like the utility programs of a computer. Along with all the programming comes cover programming. Generally, front stories cover almost everything in a System. Dominos have been used in Monarch programming as the basis for what is called a “Mother Board” in actual computers.

can even be tied to color programming, and to dominoes, where the numbers are represented as the dots on a domino. By making numbers into dots--the numbers can be represented by lights in the same patterns of black domino dots. This means that dominos can be used to program a child, and who would suspect anything about dominoes?

and dominoes (represented by a dice)

Yellow Brick Road, anyone...?

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/31%2008%2008%20V/v003.jpg

Surf's Up.
A diamond necklace played the pawn
Hand in hand some drummed along, oh
To a handsome man and baton
A blind class aristocracy
Back through the opera glass you see
The pit and the pendulum (http://pitandthependulum.atspace.com/) drawn
Columnated ruins domino

Canvass the town and brush the backdrop
Are you sleeping?

Hung velvet overtaken me
Dim chandelier awaken me
To a song dissolved in the dawn
The music hall a costly bow
The music all is lost for now
To a muted trumperter swan
Columnated ruins domino

Canvass the town and brush the backdrop
Are you sleeping, Brother John?

Dove nested towers the hour was
Strike the street quicksilver moon
Carriage across the fog
Two-Step to lamp lights cellar tune
The laughs come hard in Auld Lang Syne

The glass was raised, the fired rose
The fullness of the wine, the dim last toasting
While at port adieu or die

A choke of grief heart hardened I
Beyond belief a broken man too tough to cry

Surf's Up
Aboard a tidal wave
Come about hard and join
The young and often spring you gave
I heard the word
Wonderful thing
A children's song

Child, child, child, child, child
A child is the father of the man
Child, child, child, child, child
A child is the father of the man
A children's song
Have you listened as they played
Their song is love
And the children know the way
That's why the child is the father to the man
Child, child, child, child, child
Child, child, child, child, child
Na na na na na na na na
Child, child, child, child, child
That's why the child is the father to the man
Child, child, child, child, child

"Surf's Up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smile_%28Beach_Boys_album%29)" was written in a single night. It was certainly fully composed by November 1966, when Brian Wilson was filmed performing the song on piano for a CBS News special on popular music, hosted by Leonard Bernstein and David Oppenheim; "Surf's Up" was featured on Oppenheim's portion of the show. An apparently complete backing track for the first (2:20) section was recorded and mixed in November 1966, but vocals and other overdubs were still to be added, and work on the middle and closing sections was either never undertaken, or never finished. It is notable that the flourishes played on muted trumpet in the verses of "Surf's Up" are almost identical to the familiar 'laughing' refrain of the theme for the cartoon series Woody Woodpecker. This musical reference recurs in the instrumental piece "Fall Breaks And Back To Winter" on the album Smiley Smile, (which was in fact subtitled "W. Woodpecker Symphony").

A full-length version of "Surf's Up" was eventually assembled by Carl Wilson and released on the 1971 Surf's Up LP. The 1971 track was two parts, Wilson cutting a new vocal using the original 1966 backing track, and an old 1960s tape of Brian performing the second half solo on a piano, the group joining in at the end.

Image Title: “Columnated Ruins Domino”, by Edmund Palao
Media: Acrylic, gold paint and PVA glue on canvas (48” x 34”) Painted: 1998

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/31%2008%2008%20V/doms.jpg

Narrative (http://smilealbum.tripod.com/columnated.html)
The painting is based in part on the song "Surf’s Up”. Also it draws from Christian and classical themes. The image shows a cityscape with buildings stacked like dominoes, representing the decadence and decay of a modern society. The gold painted background represents humankind’s achievements, but also it’s materialism and false values. The river, coming out of the darkness, proclaims hope and a renewal of life. The swan adds a sense of poignancy. In Greek mythology Phaethon, friend of Cygnus, fell into the river Eridanus whilst riding the sun-god’s chariot. Cygnus dived repeatedly in vain into the water searching for his friend. Zeus took pity on him and turned him into a swan.

It is PARTLY based on the song "Surf’s Up". You can see a cityscape with buildings stacked liked dominoes, ready to tumble. The river flows upwards like a spring of new life, sweeping everything away. The swan represents a feeling of poignancy (i.e. "a muted trumpeter’s swan", my favourite line from "Surf’s Up").

One thing I love about SMILE is all the imagery that it conjurs up. Great subject matter for painting.

From Jules Siegel's article (http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=80399), "Goodbye surfing, hello God!"

At home, as the black acetate dub turned on his bedroom hi-fi set, Wilson tried to explain the words.

"It's a man at a concert," he said. "All around him there's the audience, playing their roles, dressed up in fancy clothes, looking through opera glasses, but so far away from the drama, from life. Back through the opera glass you see the pit and the pendulum drawn. "The music begins to take over. 'Columnated ruins domino.' Empires, ideas, lives, institutions;everything has to fall, tumbling like dominoes. "He begins to awaken to the music; sees the pretentiousness of everything. 'The music hall a costly bow.' Then even the music is gone, turned into a trumpeter swan, into what the music really is. "Canvas the town and brush the backdrop.' He's off in his vision, on a trip. Reality is gone; he's creating it like a dream. Dove-nested towers.' Europe, a long time ago. 'The laughs come hard in Auld Lang Syne.' The poor people in the cellar taverns, trying to make themselves happy by singing. "Then there's the parties, the 'drinking, trying to forget the wars, the battles at sea. "While at port a do or die.' Ships in the harbor, battling it out. A kind of Roman empire thing. "'A choke of grief.' At his own sorrow and the emptiness of his life. because he can't even cry for the suffering in the world, for his own suffering. "And then, hope. 'Surf's up! . . . Come about hard and join the once and often spring you gave.' Go back to the kids, to the beach, to childhood. "'I heard the word'of God; 'Wonderful thing';the joy of enlightenment, of seeing God. And what is it? 'A children's song!' And then there's the song itself; the song of children; the song of the universe rising and falling in wave after wave, the song of God, hiding the love from us, but always letting us find it again, like a mother singing to her children."

"The Pit and the Pendulum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pit_and_the_pendulum)" is a short story written by Edgar Allan Poe and first published in 1842. The story is about the torments endured by a prisoner of the Spanish Inquisition, though Poe skews historical facts. The narrator of the story is deemed guilty for an unnamed crime and put into a completely dark room. He passes out while trying to determine the size of the room. When he wakes up, he realizes there is a large, deep pit in the middle of the room. He loses consciousness again and awakens strapped on his back, unable to move more than his head. He soon realizes there is a large blade-like pendulum hanging above him, slowly getting closer to cutting through his chest. He finds a way to escape but the walls of his prison start to move and close in on him, pushing him closer and closer to falling into the pit.

The story is especially effective at inspiring fear in the reader because of its heavy focus on the senses, such as sound, emphasizing its reality, unlike many of Poe's stories which are aided by the supernatural. The traditional elements established in popular horror tales at the time are followed but critical reception has been mixed.

http://artscenecal.com/ArtistsFiles/CormanR/CormanRJPGs/RCorman1D.jpg
Still from the set of “The Pit and the Pendulum,” 1964, film directed by Roger Corman

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/31%2008%2008%20V/pitandpendulum02.jpg

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/31%2008%2008%20V/pitandpendulum01.jpg

ray harryhausen (http://www.thepitandthependulumshortfilm.blogspot.com/) blog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgg6oc7MabQ

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515AGEEZGYL._SS500_.jpg

Artist's (http://dieingchild.deviantart.com/art/the-pendulum-6429110) Comments
the torment of waiting for pain

the pendulum

http://fc02.deviantart.com/images3/i/2004/099/a/7/the_pendulum.jpg

All so very cruel:mad:, and so, so sad....

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brown velvet

01-09-2008, 07:17 PM

If you're reading this (http://www.amazon.com/Best-Fractured-Fairy-Tales-Vol/dp/B000A345C6), you know the Jay Ward's Fractured Fairy Tales are terrific and funny. Unfortunately, this compilation disk is flawed. The VERY irritating menu demands that you sit through too horrible trailers for terrible kid's movies before you can get to the main menu. They won't even fast forward or skip to main menu. Why would Sony insist on this very Disney-like irritation. What would Jay Ward think? This disk is for collector's, not brain-dead children who want to watch "Frosty the Sequel". The disk also has menu problems once you get to the main menu. I've contacted Sony and hopefully they will fix the problem.

The Best of Fractured Fairy Tales, Vol. 1 (1961) (1999)

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Books (http://www.amazon.com/Best-Fractured-Fairy-Tales-Vol/dp/B000A345C6)

Long before Politically Correct Bedtime Stories invaded bookstores, Americans were getting their giggles from Fractured Fairy Tales, those delightfully twisted parables brought to us between the cliffhanger adventures of our favorite cartoon heroes, Rocky & Bullwinkle. This collection, illustrated with classic art from the animated series includes the comical retelling of 25 classics such as Pinocchio (who starred in his own variety show "The Pinocchio Doody Show"), Jack and the Beanstalk (did you know that Jack grew a beanstalk in the outfield so he could catch fly balls for his baseball team?), or King Midas (who became a dentist so he could give his patients gold fillings). This satirical humor loved for so long by so many, is a must-have for fans of the show and anyone who loves classic fairy tales--with a twist.

Just what 'programmers' absolutely love, twists and layering are their friends.
In my understanding, many of the young alters within a System are either never told the 'and they all lived happily ever after....' or are left with an incorrect ending. Not permitted to know the fairy tales that most of us grew up hearing. Locked into a horrendous / inaccurate ending.

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http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/August%2008/30%2008%2008/listoffairytales.jpg

brown.

brown velvet

01-09-2008, 08:21 PM

Alice Cooper's Wonderland (http://blog.beliefnet.com/idolchatter/2006/08/alice-coopers-wonderland-christian.html): A Christian Youth Center

http://www.beliefnet.com/imgs/tout/story/AliceCooper.jpg

In the immortal words of Alice Cooper, "School's out for Summer." But Cooper, the heavy metal maestro, is making sure that the kids of southwest Phoenix will still have a safe place to go once school doors are closed. MSNBC.com, via the Associated Press, reports that Cooper's Christian, nonprofit Solid Rock Foundation, "has begun fundraising efforts for a 20,000-square-foot teen activity center to be called The Rock, to be built at Grand Canyon University in West Phoenix."

The former vincent Furnier spends most of the year in suburban Phoenix playing golf and working for his foundation, but realizes that it's not all tee times and spa treatments for many of the area's children. "People don't lay in the sun in southwest Phoenix. There's lots of shootings going, there's lots of meth going on, there's lots of gangs," Cooper said. "In the middle of all that is a bunch of 12-, 13-, 14-year-old kids that can go one way or the other."

Isn't this the same heavy metal rocker whom pop culture lore says took his stage name after learning that he was the reincarnation of a 17th-century witch, Alice Cooper, while scrying on a Ouija board? Yes it is. And while Cooper wasn't actually a witch in the past--the name came from his idea of an ax-wielding little girl-- he did come from a long line of Christians. According to Wikipedia, Cooper's grandfather was an ordained Apostle of the Church of Jesus Christ, his father was an ordained Elder, and Cooper has some distant French Huguenot ancestry.

The shock-rocker returned to his Christian roots in the 1980s when he was struggling with alcoholism, and is now interested in helping at-risk youth learn the value of "boundaries." "Kids love boundaries. We used to fight against them. But in all reality, what we really did want was to know where we could go," he said.

"We're not going to beat them over the head with a Bible," Cooper told the AP. "But we're certainly going to be available to tell them that that's available to them."

And not to worry, there will be plenty of rock at this teen center--rock climbing that is. The center will include a "recording studio, indoor basketball courts, rock-climbing walls, coffeehouse, game room, and concert hall."

http://i8.ebayimg.com/03/c/01/a3/49/44_8.JPG

http://cdn.last.fm/coverart/300x300/310716-1618077882.jpg

freaks in music (http://learnsomethingnewtoday.us/2008/03/30/top-17-freaks-in-music/), worth a quick look :)

particulary Liberace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberace)

Liberace's fame in the U.S. was matched for a time in the UK. In 1957, an article in The Daily Mirror by veteran columnist Cassandra (William Connor) mentioned that Liberace was "...the summit of sex--the pinnacle of masculine, feminine, and neuter. Everything that he, she, and it can ever want... a deadly, winking, sniggering, snuggling, chromium-plated, scent-impregnated, luminous, quivering, giggling, fruit-flavoured, mincing, ice-covered heap of mother love," a description which did everything it could to imply he was homosexual without saying so. Liberace sued the newspaper for libel, testifying in a London court that he was not a homosexual, and had never taken part in homosexual acts. He won the suit on the basis of the term fruit-flavoured which was held to impute homosexuality.

Death
Liberace's final stage performance was at the Radio City Music Hall in New York City on November 2, 1986. His final television appearance was on Christmas Day that same year on the recently-aired Oprah Winfrey Show TV talk show. He died at the age of 67 on February 4, 1987 at his winter house in Palm Springs, California due to complications from AIDS. His obvious weight loss in the months prior to his death was attributed to a "watermelon diet" by his longtime and steadfast manager Seymour Heller. But he had been in ill health since 1985 with other health problems including emphysema from his daily smoking off-stage, as well as heart and liver troubles. How and exactly when he became HIV-positive has never been determined. He is entombed in Forest Lawn - Hollywood Hills Cemetery in Los Angeles.

The Liberace Museum in Las Vegas, opened in 1979, contains many of his stage costumes, cars, jewelry, and lavishly-decorated pianos, along with numerous citations for philanthropic acts, and a sizable gift shop.

In August 2007, Kashi Kicks announced the release of the Liberace shoe, to honor “the King of Bling” [46]. This was done in collaboration with the Liberace Foundation of Las Vegas.

kashikicks.com (http://www.kashikicks.com/)

Kashi Kicks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashi_Kicks) is an American footwear company based in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania that produces unique sneaker designs [1]. Kashi Kicks was developed as a more fashion-oriented line compared to other brands at the time, in both aesthetic and function. The shoes are endorsed by a number of members of the hip hop and professional athletic communities including George Clinton, Flavor Flav, Talib Kweli, Joey Porter, and Ginuwine [2].

In August 2007, Kashi Kicks announced the release of the Liberace shoe, to honor “the King of Bling” [3]. This was done in collaboration with the Liberace Foundation of Las Vegas. Kashi Kicks connects with the streets using innovative promotional mixtape marketing. To date Kashi Kicks has sponsored mixtapes done by some of the best known mixtape DJs in the world inlcuding DJ Age, DJ Fade, DJ L-Gee, DJ Stacks, DJ Kenny Kaign, DJ Scrill, DJ Gloss, DJ Flaco, DJ Scream,DJ Blurray, DJ Spinz, DJ Haze, DJ Delz, DJ Rokz, DJ Furious, Team EXT, Spaz, Rockie Fontaine & DJ Rokz[4]

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All piano's / keys, Pink Glass, Butterfly?

brown.

emerald

01-09-2008, 09:29 PM

MABE IT WAS A WARNING, "IF U DONT OBEY US, U PAY?"...

Police Have Potential Suspect For Murder Of Kutcher's Ex

Police in California are convinced they've identified the person responsible for the murder of actor Ashton Kutcher's ex, after a DNA breakthrough.

Cops in Santa Monica believe 32-year-old local Michael Gargiulo - who has been behind bars since July after being arrested for an April knife attack - killed three women, including Kutcher's former girlfriend Ashley Ellerin. The 22-year-old's body was found in her Hollywood Hills home in February 2001.

Santa Monica police Lieutenant Darrell Lowe revealed last week (ends29Aug08) that DNA collected from a crime scene earlier this year indicated that Gargiulo was responsible for the stabbings of women in Chicago, Illinois, Los Angeles, and Monterey Park, California. The Illinois murder dates back to 1993.

Garguilo has been held on $1.1 million (GBP628,571) bail for the last two months on attempted murder and burglary charges.

He has denied the charges and is due in court for a pre-trial hearing relating to the 28 April stabbing on 4 September.

However, he could face new murder charges this week (begs01Sep08) for the death of Ellerin, police have confirmed.

Kutcher told police at the time of the incident that he had gone to pick up the fashion student/model from her home to attend a post-Grammy Awards party, but she failed to answer the door.

He said he left the property after checking a back window and spotting what he thought to be red wine stains on the carpet. Ellerin was found dead the following day by a friend.

Kutcher's agent Stephanie Simon says the actor, who is now married to Demi Moore, has no comment.

brown velvet

01-09-2008, 09:37 PM

Kate Moss...
Usual Stuff, Trauma At 13, Drug Abuse And Anorexia,
Seems To Be Passed From One Rock Star To The Next...
I Found These Disturbing Pictures On A Fashion Site...

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8230/katemossscene1ud7.jpg
Butterflys, Hearts And Mirror

http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp297/damnsod/kate-moss-6.jpg
Butterflys, Blindfolds and Blood

Hiya :)

saw this and it remided me of this film....

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Fritz Springmeier Interview (http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/radio/ckln21.htm)

Fritz Springmeier:

Batman, Bewitched, Disney movies. One of the very improtant Disney movies was "Fantasia" and in my recent book, "Deeper Insights" I have eleven pages where I go through minute by minute, scene by scene, in the movie "Fantasia" and show how Fantasia was created and used to be a programming foundation. Star Wars movies, My Fair Lady which was used in the finishing schools for slaves, Stephen King horror movies are used, Startrek, The Love Boat has been used for the mind control of their cruise prostitutes, E.T. - alien programming of their slaves, Alice in Wonderland.

Wayne Morris:

All of these are really prominent in our culture and I am wondering what the effect is on someone who has been programmed if they see these movies again on television or in video rental, or in a movie theatre?

Fritz Springmeier:

It just locks in the control and emphasizes the hopelessness. For a mind controlled slave who is living in a whole culture that is controlled by these people, why would their mind ever think of trying to get free? Their spirits were broken when they were children, and everywhere they look they see the control and the programming.

Wayne Morris:

This isn't to say that some of these tv programs or films have been deliberately made with mind control in mind, but that they have been used by the programmers?

Fritz Springmeier:

Deliberate is more accurate.

Wayne Morris:

So some of these expressions of culture have been deliberately created. Have you looked into the backgrounds of some of the people involved in producing them?

Fritz Springmeier:

Ducktail Cartoons which is put on by Disney contains deliberate triggers for the children. Deliberate triggers in the advertisements; deliberate messages and codes. In "Deeper Insights" I spend about fifty pages going into Disney, who Disney was, what they did behind the scenes, what the movies are all about. Look at "Beauty and the Beast" you will see an enchanted ____clock, or you will see the character Doorknob - protrayed as a person. That's used in the cartoon, "Alice in Wonderland". Those particular sections will be seen by an alter in a person's system, and the mind will be made to believe that they were a doorknob. These are specifically, creatively put into the films for those reasons.

here (http://educate-yourself.org/mc/deeperinsightsbook.shtml)
While we are still on the subject of the rainbow and its colors, and before we continue onto other parts of the hypnotic programming process, let’s deal with color programming. When Illuminati slaves are being programmed as little children, they usually will get music and color programming. Most readers are like this author, in that they are not interested in learning magic. However, because this author (Fritz Springmeier) was interested in helping victims understand what’s been done to them, it was important to dive into trying to understand the thinking of the occult world in regards to colors. If I write that the occult world views yellow as a healing color, and blue as a relaxing color, and purple (violet) as a spiritually enlightened color, that is not because I want to teach that as a doctrine, but so that therapists can begin to understand the hidden mannerisms & thought patterns of these powerful generational occult families, who believe in such odd practices as child sacrifice. In the 1940’s, as the Illuminati were applying scientific investigation to their ancient skills in mind-control, a number of researchers investigated color psychology. Cecil Stokes’ color research on the influence of colors on the mind led to the Auratone films, which were used to treat the "mentally ill". Walt Disney Studios produced one of the best occult attempts to free associate color, light and music in their movie Fantasia, especially Fantasia’s opening selection of Stokowski’s adaption of Bach’s "Toccata and Fugue in D minor". Walt Disney also used selections of music from the Satanist composer Igor Stravinsky in Fantasia. Igor Stravinsky is an anarchy-espousing satanist. Fantasia was a long labor of occult devotion for Walt Disney and his studios. It took many years to create the film, and when it was finished, it was used as a programming foundation for alter systems. (Chapter 5 will have more on Disney. Chapter 5 will also give a very detailed script for HOW Fantasia has been used as the primary foundation programming tool.) Disney’s Dick Tracy movie is also a classic example of how color is employed in a movie which is used covertly for mind-control programming.

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moonshine

01-09-2008, 09:52 PM

The Killing Room (2008)
Four individuals sign up for a psychological research study only to discover that they are now subjects of a brutal, classified government program.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1119191/

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Staring Peter Stormare (Another CIA mind controled agent/actor?), who was in films such as:

Constantine (2005)
Stormare plays Satan in this film, he also stars along side Keanu Reeves 'My Own Private Idaho'
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0360486/

The Brothers Grimm (2005)
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He had a small role along side Heath Ledger.

Unknown (2006) A similar movie to 'The Killing Room' and CIA related.
Five men wake up in a locked-down warehouse with no memory of who they are. They are forced to figure out who is good and who is bad to stay alive.
http://i35.tinypic.com/4g6eb.jpg

Boot Camp (2007) Both the same as the 'Unknown' and the 'Killing Room' That's three films with almost the same plot? A Mind control theme.
A group of troubled teens are sent to a rehabilitation program housed in a remote camp on the island of Fiji. What their parents believe is a state-of-the-art deluxe institution in a beautiful natural environment turns out to be a prison-like boot camp where they are abused and brainwashed..
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0870204/

One Night with You (2006)
As Jake Tarlow knows, sometimes things don't turn out as you'd like. You end up living in your car. Your bookie is going to smash your face in if you don't square up. Your best friend is obsessed with the Black Dahlia. Your only way out is a crazy old bastard with one foot in the grave and nothing to lose.
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www.imdb.com/title/tt0790722/

They Never Found Her (2007)
After a lifetime of remorseless violence, a hit man comes to a moral crossroads when he must choose between murdering a young retarded woman and risking his life to save her.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0996531/

Anamorph (2007)
A psychological thriller based on the concept of anamorphosis, a painting technique that manipulates the laws of perspective to create two competing images on a single canvas
http://i33.tinypic.com/2j2epaq.jpg
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0497323/

The Horsemen (2008)
A recently widowed detective still grieving over his wife's death discovers a shocking connection between himself and the suspects in a serial killing spree linked to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0892767/

Insanitarium (2008)
After he's institutionalized in order to cover for his sister, a young man encounters a doctor who is turning his patients into flesh-eating psychopaths.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1103984/

The Fallen (2009/II)
Several mercenaries and one faithless poacher join seemingly for a rescue mission and end up fighting a horrendous beast while realizing the dream of one man who is determined to find a hidden treasure.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1235125/

Bruiser (2000)
The young executive of a publicity agency Henry Creedlow is a man that has repressed morbid thoughts and is walked over by most of his acquaintances: his wife is cheating him with his boss and stealing money of his investments with his best friend; his housemaid is frequently stealing his house and offending him in Spanish; even his annoying poodle does not respect him. While in his daily morning routine listening to a talk show on the radio, he hears a man committing suicide live because he had been felt miserable and disrespected for a long time, and Henry feels impressed with the tragic event. On the next morning, he wakes up with his face covered by a white mask, changing his personality and seeking revenge against those that have humiliated him.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0212830/maindetails

Other films and video games:
Minority Report, Spun, Quake 4(VG), Premonition, Mercenaries and 2(VG), 2001 Maniacs, Birth, Dancer in the Dark, 8MM, Circus, Purgatory, Armageddon, Mercury Rising, Playing God and Fargo.

Peter Stormare was Discovered by Ingmar Bergman.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000005/

hunkahunka

01-09-2008, 10:05 PM

very good interview of Cisco Wheeler (audio):

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:gIZX1Db_0xkJ:wideeyecinema.com/%3Fp%3D333+cisco+wheeler+mp3&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca

I:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/7/10/1256083/Wheeler40A.MP3
II:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/7/10/1256083/Wheeler40B.MP3
III:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/7/10/1256083/Wheeler41A.MP3
IV:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/7/10/1256083/Wheeler41B.MP3

interesting torrent, the more the merrier (faster, if you know what I mean)
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4099143/The_Induction_Series-MK-Ultra

moonshine

01-09-2008, 10:22 PM

very good interview of Cisco Wheeler (audio):

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:gIZX1Db_0xkJ:wideeyecinema.com/%3Fp%3D333+cisco+wheeler+mp3&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca

interesting torrent, the more the merrier (faster, if you know what I mean)

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4099143/The_Induction_Series-MK-Ultra

What torrent downloader would you recommend using?

hunkahunka

01-09-2008, 10:29 PM

I use Utorrent, it is very efficient and doesn't use up too much CPU

americana

01-09-2008, 11:25 PM

[QUOTE=brown velvet;482186]The Best of Fractured Fairy Tales, Vol. 1 (1961) (1999)

Just what 'programmers' absolutely love, twists and layering are their friends.
In my understanding, many of the young alters within a System are either never told the 'and they all lived happily ever after....' or are left with an incorrect ending. Not permitted to know the fairy tales that most of us grew up hearing. Locked into a horrendous / inaccurate ending.

QUOTE]

Hmmmm . . . yes, of course . .. BUT . . . just one example of the more brutal nature of fairy tales might be the original ending of Snow White by the Brothers Grimm. This described what happened to the Queen:

Still, her jealousy drove her to go to the wedding and see the young queen. When she arrived she saw that it was Snow-White. Then they put a pair of iron shoes into the fire until they glowed, and she had to put them on and dance in them. Her feet were terribly burned, and she could not stop until she had danced herself to death.

I read this version in a Caldecott-award-winning book I owned as a child. Quite different from Disney, although I SUPPOSE it's the Disney version that is used for programming!

moonshine

01-09-2008, 11:37 PM

I use Utorrent, it is very efficient and doesn't use up too much CPU

Thanks mate, i've just started downloading on Utorrent.:)

americana

02-09-2008, 12:23 AM

new ridiculously bad horror movie:

http://www.horror-movies.ca/albums/userpics/poster_strangers_busstop_poster.jpg

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Hiya, do you have any other thoughts about this movie?

I first thought to make a bad joke here: something along the lines of being punished for bad decorating. (The house seems stuck in a time warp from the 1970s, with those "Spanish-style" front doors and the kitchen . .. )

There is no "back story" save that of the couple - Liv Tyler and Scott Speedman . . . . and a proposal that was rejected .. . .

But there is just this NOTHINGNESS . . . this nihilism that is disgusting and horrifying. I would want to make something of it, read some meaning into it, but the viewer is thwarted in that, mocked for that.

It struck me that the male killer was an older man. You can hear him breathing, almost wheezing. Perhaps he isn't in that great shape.

Then there are the two "girls". Is "He" their handler?

Their masks are intriguing. The one with the "hair" seems like a flapper, from the 1920s, perhaps. I didn't know quite what to make of that.

From the ending, it's implied that this is the first time. I believe the blond girl says that it will go better next time, or something like that .. .

hunkahunka

02-09-2008, 03:43 AM

Hiya, do you have any other thoughts about this movie?

There is no "back story" save that of the couple - Liv Tyler and Scott Speedman . . . . and a proposal that was rejected .. . .

But there is just this NOTHINGNESS . . . this nihilism that is disgusting and horrifying. I would want to make something of it, read some meaning into it, but the viewer is thwarted in that, mocked for that.

I have not seen it, but every review I have looked at exactly corroborates what you are saying. They all say that it is so pointless that it is almost laughable, but this reminds me of what a lot of people say about how mind control trauma conditioning works. There is intentionally no logic nor pattern to the abuse. You can be electroshocked for doing the wrong thing, or electroshocked for doing the right thing, just to teach you not to be proud of yourself for doing the right thing, etc. It is done this way to shatter the person's sense of any sense of control over what the outcome may be.
The person begins to feel that they themselves are the problem, that their ability to feel pain is the true problem, the true cause of their troubles. The person is forced to internalize everything, and to seek escape from their own self.

The film makes no attempt to entertain.
This film is 'based on true events', they say. I have to agree with you that this could be an example of mind control trauma. If so, why would they make this movie? What is its purpose? That is the next question that comes up .

Another thought that I had is that it is clearly aimed at children, like so much 'horror' film is. I have long suspected that very young children are their true target market, due partly to the fact that young children are so easily horrified. To me the give away is in the title: 'The strangers'

Everyone tells their toddler that has just learned to walk and talk: "Don't talk to strangers." Strangers?
The first question the baby asks back, is: "Mom, what are strangers?"
Mom answers: "Any one you don't know is a stranger. Don't talk to them or go anywhere with anyone you don't know." To which the baby might answer. "Mom, I don't want to talk to any strangers." Baby is still curious about what 'strangers' really look like.

Then, four years later, the neglected young child is exposed to 'The Strangers' as some late night 'treat' on TV, and now the question is answered. Strangers kill you for no reason at. So, basically, any one you
don't know is a stranger, and 'the strangers' kill people, therefore:
every one you don't know is a killer.

Horror is being used as a tool to 'estrange' us from one another.
Women who watch television from babyhood are afraid to go jogging alone on a bright sunny morning unless they have a massive black mongrel with them, or a pet. Elderly people hide from the world, and their television window on the outside world terrorizes them with a steady stream of violence, from the violence of artificially fomented wars, to artificially created serial killers , to the simulated violence and gore of television and movies.

So we are being divided and conquered systematically, conditioned by such things as 'The Strangers' to regard our fellow man with bottomless contempt.
Immeasurable suspicion, paranoia, and hatred for one another.

Another reason for the nightly news: the intrinsic message , at the end of the day is this:
"Okay, so you are home from work, sick, tired and miserable, but if you think you've got it bad,
just take a look at this. We have collected for you every scrap of violence, conflict, misery, misfortune, and downright buggered crud that happened today, scraped from the bottom
of dumpsters the world over, so just sit right back. grab some potato chips, and enjoy.
Maybe you'll forget your sadistic boss, your divided community, declining health, your crumbling neighborhood, your shattered family, poisoned water, etc., because look what we've collected here .
Pure rotting hell, served steaming on a silver platter, so that the dog food you get tomorrow morning will be all the more palatable by contrast.

americana

02-09-2008, 01:29 PM

IThe film makes no attempt to entertain.
This film is 'based on true events', they say. I have to agree with you that this could be an example of mind control trauma. If so, why would they make this movie? What is its purpose? That is the next question that comes up .

Another thought that I had is that it is clearly aimed at children, like so much 'horror' film is. I have long suspected that very young children are their true target market, due partly to the fact that young children are so easily horrified. To me the give away is in the title: 'The strangers'

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Good point! The bodies are also discovered by two young boys out proselytizing for some religion (fundamentalist), which strengthens what you are saying.

brown velvet

02-09-2008, 03:41 PM

There are lots of people like this around, and they are creations of Mkultra.
In most cases , they are reenacting what was done to them.
August Underground is fiction, but imo, based on real events occurring within a very currently active subculture. This is the means by which they create 'slaves' for the cult. You see how they reduced the girl to a 'doll' by making her wear a mask and gagging her while being tortured? This is their way of dehumanizing their victim, so that they can torture the victim without feeling anything of what they are inflicting.

was just reading up on some of the older posts in this thread.....
I tried to go back and find the link to this, as I only managed to watch a small amount of it. I saw the girl c*tting her stomach and found it far more a believable 'act' than an 'acted' one. I wanted to go back and watch some more (if I can handle it) Would you please put the link back up for me / the thread?

Also could anyone explain to me why the links and images in the (older) posts (and all out hard work / sleuthing) seems to go missing?
I feel really sorry for anyone trying to digest this post, when half the references have gone or are missing in someway.

Thanks :D

brown.

hunkahunka

02-09-2008, 03:51 PM

was just reading up on some of the older posts in this thread.....
I tried to go back and find the link to this, as I only managed to watch a small amount of it. I saw the girl c*tting her stomach and found it far more a believable 'act' than an 'acted' one. I wanted to go back and watch some more (if I can handle it) Would you please put the link back up for me / the thread?

Also could anyone explain to me why the links and images in the (older) posts (and all out hard work / sleuthing) seems to go missing?
I feel really sorry for anyone trying to digest this post, when half the references have gone or are missing in someway.

Thanks :D

brown.

omg, this is bad news. I noticed that too, and was hoping that it was some sort of browser glitch on my own computer! I was so hoping that the posts would show up complete to anyone browsing this thread for the first time!
What the hell is going on here? Someone is going through all the posts days after they are posted and deleting half the pictures/video links, etc.!

brown velvet

02-09-2008, 04:00 PM

omg, this is bad news. I noticed that too, and was hoping that it was some sort of browser glitch on my own computer! I was so hoping that the posts would show up complete to anyone browsing this thread for the first time!
What the hell is going on here? Someone is going through all the posts days after they are posted and deleting half the pictures/video links, etc.!

Hiya :D

Yeah, bad bad news for anyone trying to unravel an already confusing and complicated issue lol, am amazed new people can grasp much of the info.
I try to put links up supporting what I find, to see they have all been removed, it is a little bit dis-heartening :(

brown.

brown velvet

02-09-2008, 04:05 PM

Here (http://www.whiteratsmorris.org/)
Lollipop Man (http://www.whiteratsmorris.org/lyrics.html#lollipop)
Oh, the Lollypop Man has an average-sized stick,
And he'd never think of offering an unsanitary lick.
He says to brush your teeth whenever you can,
He's a fine upstanding citizen, the Lollypop Man.

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/02%2009%2008%20lollipops/templeOneal01.jpg

brown.

brown velvet

02-09-2008, 04:12 PM

http://images.wikia.com/farscape/images/3/35/Scorpius250.jpg

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/02%2009%2008%20lollipops/scorpius.jpg

catwoman
http://depblog.weblogs.us/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/catwoman_michelle.jpg

brown.

hunkahunka

02-09-2008, 04:46 PM

here is the link to August Underground Mordum:

video:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6214394951294683673&ei=YEm9SLzpPKPg-gGE65GfDQ&q=august+underground+mordum

btw, I think I know what is happening to a lot of the old links and pictures.
Some of the pictures are hot-linked to other sites, and the owners of those sites
I suspect use software that disables hot-linking to their site's images after a time, to prevent blogs and forums etc. from leeching their bandwidth.
In some other cases, when people go back to edit their posts and add new pictures, often they use the 'basic' forum editor option as opposed to the 'advanced ' editor option to edit their posts, and I have noticed that there
is a glitch in the 'basic' editor option , that at times tends to
're-tag' links with new designations and disable them.
For example, the original post might have a video link in it enclosed with [media tags around the video link, but due to a glitch, if the
post is edited and saved in the basic mode, the video link might be saved
with [url tags around it instead, and disappear.

http://www.carnivalofthegrotesque.co.uk/t_mordum03.jpg
image from August Underground Mordum

Frank Pucci, one of the directors of August Underground Mordum, has a nickname 'Killjoy', and a band named Killjoy:

http://www.newrenaissancerecords.com/images/store/42187.jpg
Killjoy album

http://www.dumbdistraction.com/Images/killjoy.jpg
first movie
trailer video:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8095298230203847438&ei=NmC9SPCwEYfA-gHqwuSmDQ&q=killjoy&hl=en

http://www.wackystacker.com/images/killjoy1.jpg
ice creme cones and ? for added play value? is that a typo?
I think it is supposed to say 'clowns hands' for added play value, because
this box shows hands/gloves here at the top left:
http://www.wackystacker.com/images/killjoy.jpg
notice the brand: workshop toys
odd name for 'toys', unless these toys are being used for some type of 'work'?
some type of work shop involving children?

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n16/n82898.jpg
spiral

http://store.tempevideo.com/fullmoon/kj2_single-big.jpg
cannibalism

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Oz_factor_cover.jpg
ice cream cones

http://www.colonelscrypt.com/Movie%20Reviews/M/We%20All%20Scream%20For%20Ice%20Cream/WeAllScreamDVDArt.jpg

http://www.rencke.se/images/Dogs20%20002.jpg

hunkahunka

02-09-2008, 05:40 PM

'We All Scream for Ice Cream' was directed by the maker of this:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_OZPzpWnkxAM/SDH4Ge8OBWI/AAAAAAAABCY/hH4ZHux3nsc/s400/childs-play-movie-poster.jpg

which resulted in this:

http://www.thewest.com.au/getfile.aspx?Type=image&ID=345&ObjectType=3&ObjectID=635

On February 12 1993, a toddler was abducted from a Merseyside shopping mall by two 10-year-old boys. Two days later, James Bulger's mutilated body was found on a railway line. Blake Morrison, who attended the killers' trial and wrote the definitive book on the subject, looks back at how it changed the way this country thinks about its children and wonders if any lessons have been learned.

Even without sexual abuse, there was no lack of motive for the killing. The tabloid verdict was that Thompson and Venables were aliens from the Planet Evil, or (no less Gothic) video-junkies mimicking Chucky Doll in Child's Play 3. The truth is more humdrum. Their family backgrounds exhibited classic "risk factors" - dysfunction, poverty, alcoholism, marital breakdown, neglect and bullying. Both boys had been held down a year at school, a humiliation which made them team up. Both resented their siblings, and may have punished James for it. Most important, having bunked off school and walked the toddler the two miles back to their school and homes in Walton, they were terrified of getting into trouble with their mothers - and scrambled up on the railway line, where they killed him, to avoid it. The police saw evidence of sophistication and premeditation in the crime

On February 12, 1993 a small boy who was to turn three in March was taken from a shopping mall in Liverpool by two 10 year old boys. Jamie Bulger walked away from his mother for only a second and Jon Venables took his hand and led him out of the mall with his friend Robert Thompson. They took Jamie on a walk for over 2 and a half miles, along the way stopping every now and again to torture the poor little boy who was crying constantly for his mommy. Finally they stopped at a railway track where they brutally kicked him, threw stones at him, rubbed paint in his eyes and pushed batteries up his anus.

It was actually worse than this. What these two boys did was so horrendous that Jamie's mother was forbidden to identify his body. They then left his beaten small body on the tracks so a train could run him over to hide the mess they had created. These two boys, even being boys understood what they did was wrong, hence trying to make it look like an accident
Venables and Thompson had access to a collection of violent films

http://www.kirkbytimes.co.uk/images/newsimages/james_zerotolerance.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/22/James_bulger.jpg/225px-James_bulger.jpg
James Bulger

http://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/bulger-cctv-image-tm.jpg

One of the aspects of the case that gained much media attention was whether Venables and Thompson had been watching violent films in the days and months prior to the murder, and whether or not those movies had contributed to making the pair act in the way they did. The judge mentioned that one of their fathers possessed a large collection of violent videos, and that they probably had access to them whilst playing truant from school. As James' death was similar to the death in the film, and the father of one of the boys had been known to hire this film the week before the murder, The Sun newspaper explicitly named Child's Play 3 as a movie they had seen and printed a full front-page picture of the menacing Chucky, the child-killing doll of that horror series

http://titulky.icr.cz/mini/ChildsPlay3.jpg

video:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8898382515470490408&ei=L129SM71LpKu_AHVtMyfDQ&q=james+bulger&vt=lf&hl=en

brown velvet

02-09-2008, 06:19 PM

Fiona's Story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00dc22n/) BBC1 Sunday.
The link is to iPlayer, where it will be available until next Sunday 07 Sept 08.

I walked away from it once, and had several comments to make throughout the viewing. I would be interested in anyone's comments, am refraining myself for the week, until it is no longer viewable.

Child Abuse in middle class England....

brown.

moonshine

03-09-2008, 01:35 AM

The FMSF was founded with CIA money by CIA contractors to stop victims from going public.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wLkdkCKZDE

brown velvet

03-09-2008, 07:07 PM

here is the link to August Underground Mordum:

video:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6214394951294683673&ei=YEm9SLzpPKPg-gGE65GfDQ&q=august+underground+mordum

btw, I think I know what is happening to a lot of the old links and pictures.
Some of the pictures are hot-linked to other sites, and the owners of those sites
I suspect use software that disables hot-linking to their site's images after a time, to prevent blogs and forums etc. from leeching their bandwidth.
In some other cases, when people go back to edit their posts and add new pictures, often they use the 'basic' forum editor option as opposed to the 'advanced ' editor option to edit their posts, and I have noticed that there
is a glitch in the 'basic' editor option , that at times tends to
're-tag' links with new designations and disable them.
For example, the original post might have a video link in it enclosed with [media tags around the video link, but due to a glitch, if the
post is edited and saved in the basic mode, the video link might be saved
with [url tags around it instead, and disappear.

ice creme cones and ? for added play value? is that a typo?
I think it is supposed to say 'clowns hands' for added play value, because
this box shows hands/gloves here at the top left:
http://www.wackystacker.com/images/killjoy.jpg
notice the brand: workshop toys
odd name for 'toys', unless these toys are being used for some type of 'work'?
some type of work shop involving children?
ice cream cones

Hey Hunka, :)

thanks for the info about posts,

found these on the net, lots and lots of them.

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/02%2009%2008%20lollipops/icescream.jpg

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/02%2009%2008%20lollipops/icecream.jpg

brown.

brown velvet

03-09-2008, 07:08 PM

Here... (http://in2worlds.net/mind-control-themes-and-programming-triggers-in-movies)
Phoenix Rising. Just like in “Fight Club,” our main hero V experiences a transformation in personality that’s likened to the phoenix. His old self dies, and a new persona is born, rising from the fire — quite literally. V emerges from a huge explosion and fire at Larkill, walking through the flames letting out a primal yell of rage. And just like “Fight Club” this transformation results in a persona hellbent on destroying the society he sees around him. In mind control programming, the phoenix rising symbolism is quite popular as it refers to the rising up of the new, alternate persona taking over the mind of the victim.

So, keeping in mind in V’s masked visage, with his emergence from Larkhill – the abuse, torture center – in a huge fire with a new personality that could no longer remember who and what he used to be, here’s an excerpt from Fritz Springmeier’s “The Illuminati Formula to Create a Totally Undetectable Mind Control Slave” which says:

“Fire/burning torture is used in the porcelain face programming….The memories of abuse are then hypnotically hid behind the masks…..This means that these alters have via torture and hypnosis lost their own faces!”

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/02%2009%2008%20lollipops/Iscream010.jpg

Here... (http://www.whale.to/b/monarch_q.html)
Monarch slaves are threatened with fire, like the Scarecrow. They also see people dismembered like the Scarecrow was dismembered. For them it is not an idle threat. The front alters also have hearts full of pain like Scarecrow. Certain alters are not given courage and most have their hearts taken from them. The alters who are programmed not to have hearts are hypnotically told the same thing the Tin Man says, "I could be human if I only had a heart." .....Some alters are taught they are stupid and have no brain.

The other (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/mindcontrol/chapter02.htm) author, Cisco, experienced it as part of her mind-control. The brain under such stress may flip its functions from right to left & vice-versa. Hypnosis is easier when a brain is tired. Most victims remember being suspended upside down. This was honed to a fine art by Mengele with concentration camp victims, while records were made of how fast blood drained from a child or adult’s stomach when they were dunked upside down into a tank of ice cold water. The cold water tests supplied the data on temperature levels as consciousness faded. This information then was used later on in America to help the survival rate of children given the same trauma. Simply hanging a person upside down for one or two hours will begin to play tricks on the mind.

The mind will begin to dissociate, and will begin to reverse the primordial brain functions such as pain is pleasure. The person’s mind rearranges. This is often done with Beta alters or Beta models to get them to think that the pain of sadistic rape is a pleasure. After this reversal in the mind that “PAIN IS LOVE”, the S&M kitten alters will beg their handler to slap them, tie them up, hurt them, etc. They will tease their handler, and tell him he is not a real man if he shows any mercy in how the pain is inflicted. Fire/burning torture is used in the porcelain face programming. The charismatic branch of the satanic Network (such as the Assembly of God churches) uses porcelain face programming. This is done by using wax masks upon the victim, and giving them fire torture. The person actually thinks that their face has melted. At that point, the programmer pretends to be a god & a hero, and tells the person he will give them a new face, a porcelain mask.

These new faces by the way, look like the ones sold in so many stores. The memories of abuse are then hypnotically hid behind the masks. To take off the masks is to abreact & burn again. If anyone touches the faces of alters with porcelain face programming, the alters will feel a burning sensation because their masks are not to be tampered with. This means that these alters have via torture & hypnosis lost their own faces! This is part of the dehumanization process which chapter 10 part C talks about. As long as these alters stay in denial of what has happened to them, they do not have to face the burn torture memories. Some alters are tortured in a fashion that the eye area is traumatized and they squint the left eye.

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/02%2009%2008%20lollipops/Suspiriabluered.jpg

Here... (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/mindcontrol/chapter08.htm)
The same code will work for all alters when the internal programming alters want to trigger a body program. If a body program is placed into the slave it may be anchored to something, and that might be something as drastic as the heartbeat. One of the programs causes the victim to hear a heartbeat which is refrained in their minds as the “heartbeat of Satan.” Some of the body programs are carried out by creating an alter which has one mental state--such as an alter fragment which is burning or one that was created by ice torture.

This alter or this feeling of being hot or cold is then attached to something in the mind. For instance, if the victim moves toward the world, a cold alter or a cold feeling of a memory is hypnotically programmed to come up behind the alter holding the body. Sometimes the sensation of burning can be eliminated by getting a firechild to back up from the front of the mind where another alter is holding the body. Many feelings, body sensations, and drugged states are attached to programs.

This is Domino (or similar too?) programming?

When the alter hits a stringer, he will go through a series of memories, false memories, hypnotic commands, and body sensations that have been attached together in stringers. The stringer type of programming is often put in to set in a front program which is to deceive an alter. The abilities of the human brain to control the body have been seriously underrated by people.

Bio-feedback researchers in the 1960s were surprised to find out that if a single nerve cell’s activity is placed upon a screen so that the subject can see its activity graphed, the subject will be able to mentally identify that cell apart from any other nerve fiber cell, and will be able to have voluntary control over that single cell apart from any other. Just to show how complex the body is, a single nerve fiber cell will have 600 connections.

This mental feat is simply mind-boggling for researchers. The Mar. 5, 1972 L.A. Times reported that patients were being taught how to alter their heart rate without drugs. This had already been happening within the Monarch Programming. The heart is controlled by the mind and works with the emotions of a person. There have been people who have literally died from a “broken heart.” This is a historical fact. The Monarch programmers have long been taking advantage of the mind’s ability to control the heart’s beating. A tiny little bit of tissue not really visible to the visible eye called the sinus node, sends out electrical signals that regulate and initiate heart beats in an unbroken rhythm. The genetic code concerning the body’s metabolism and the genetic code for the sinus node somehow get the entire heart beat generator mechanism started.

Two areas of the brain control the changes in heart beats that the sinus node would make. The sinus node sends out the signals but it doesn’t change the rate. A very primitive part of the brain stem is one of the control areas, and the other control area along the spine. Both of these areas connect to the higher thinking areas of the brain. The three most frequent events that change heart beat are emotions, sicknesses, and muscle activity. Since the will influences emotions, the higher brain can control the heart beat and its pulse. Alters are programmed so that they will trance out if anyone tries to prove to them that they have a heart--which they have been programmed to believe was taken away from them by the programmer.

The occult world learned this ability from the Indian yogis who have been controlling their hearts for centuries. Some have even shown in the scientific laboratory that they can stop their hearts for up to 30 seconds. (See Green of Menninger Foundation’s work.) The yogi’s also developed the skill of changing their body temperatures. For instance, Swami Rama in the lab of Dr. Elmer Green could make one side of his palm hot and the other side of his palm cold simply by mental efforts. This type of body control was learned by the Illuminati years ago, and has been applied to the Monarch programming to make the programming lies seem more real to the victim than the outside world.

A Monarch slave can get cold on the left side and burn on the right side of his body. It has been well-documented that the mind can control the blood flow to various tissues and in this way change temperature in various different parts of the body. This was first reported to the public in 1978 (Barabasz & McGeorge).

It appears that a combination of yogi type bio-feed back techniques along with classical behavior conditioning is able to account for some of the body programs in slaves. Other body programs appear to be connected to the memories of alters. For instance, if the Programmer wants the body to burn--he has the System pull up an alter which was tortured with fire who comes up behind the alter holding the body, and the body then abreacts and feels like it is burning.

As mentioned, one technique is the split-brain programming where the functioning of the two hemispheres of the brain are separated, which allows the patient to feel the “right hand path” and the “left hand path” separately. This type of programming is very powerful in making the programming script seem more real than outside reality.

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/02%2009%2008%20lollipops/bluered01.jpg

brown.........

brown velvet

03-09-2008, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by brown velvet
The Best of Fractured Fairy Tales, Vol. 1 (1961) (1999)

Just what 'programmers' absolutely love, twists and layering are their friends.
In my understanding, many of the young alters within a System are either never told the 'and they all lived happily ever after....' or are left with an incorrect ending. Not permitted to know the fairy tales that most of us grew up hearing. Locked into a horrendous / inaccurate ending.

Hmmmm . . . yes, of course . .. BUT . . . just one example of the more brutal nature of fairy tales might be the original ending of Snow White by the Brothers Grimm. This described what happened to the Queen:

Still, her jealousy drove her to go to the wedding and see the young queen. When she arrived she saw that it was Snow-White. Then they put a pair of iron shoes into the fire until they glowed, and she had to put them on and dance in them. Her feet were terribly burned, and she could not stop until she had danced herself to death.

I read this version in a Caldecott-award-winning book I owned as a child. Quite different from Disney, although I SUPPOSE it's the Disney version that is used for programming!

Hiya :)

The whole point of mind control on the very young is that it causes confusion and self-doubt. The Programmers are counting on confusion and fear. They do tell the truth, if it happens to help their control. Meaning, whatever way a non MC person can fathom out as to what may have been done, the Programmers thought of it years before we ever have, and have placed as many lies / distortions / mis-truths along with truth, whatever works. The child has absolutely nowhere to go, no-one to confirm or deny what it is they have been taught. No need to question, no concept that there has been a lie. Your observation of "I SUPPOSE it's the Disney version that is used for programming!" may well be true, it is also possible for the child to see only the beginning, or 5 minutes, or the last 1/3rd, be shown one part of the story and read the 'correct' ending if it happens to be nasty / cruel / fear inspiring enough.

It is total control, absolute power.
It has happend, it does happen and it is happening. Now.

brown.

schaff

03-09-2008, 09:12 PM

This is mcfly who are an english pop band aimed at young teens. Nice pentagam.

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/2883/mcflyml6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/mcflyml6.jpg/1/w441.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img79/mcflyml6.jpg/1/)

brown velvet

03-09-2008, 09:42 PM

Moonchild Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonchild_(novel))

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/02%2009%2008%20lollipops/Moonchild-Crowley-1.jpg

Moonchild is a novel written by the British occultist Aleister Crowley in 1917. Its plot involves a magical war between a group of white magicians, led by the protagonist Simon Iff, and a group of black magicians over an unborn child. It was first published by Mandrake Press in 1929 and its recent edition is published by Weiser.

Moonchild Novel (http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/moonchild/index.html)

Chapter III (http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/moonchild/mc03.html)

But in a few minutes the Countess herself wearied. "I know I shall get nothing; it's no use; I do wish Baby were here; she could do what you want in a minute."

The Pasha nodded gleefully. "That's always the way we begin," he explained to Simple Simon. "Now I'll have to hypnotize her and she'll wake up in her other personality."

"Very, very interesting," agreed Simon; curiously enough, we were just discussing double personalities with Madame la Giuffria when you honoured us with your visit. She has never seen anything of the kind."

"You'll he charmed, Marquise," the old Turk assured Lisa; "it's the most wonderful thing you ever saw." He began to make passes over the medium's forehead; she made a series of convulsive movements, which gradually died away, and were succeeded by deep sleep. Cyril took Lisa to one side. "This is really great magic! This is the old original confidence trick. Pretend to be asleep yourself, so that all the others may go to sleep in reality. It is described at no length whatever by Frazer in his book on sympathetic magic. For that most learned doctor, vir praeclarus et optimus, omits the single essential of his subject. It is not enough to pretend that your wax image is the person you want to bewitch; you must make a real connexion. That is the whole art of magic, to be able to do that; and it is the one point that Frazer omits."

The Countess was now heaving horribly, and emitting a series of complicated snorts. The Pasha [42] explained that this was "normal," that she was "waking up into the new personality." Almost before he finished, she had slid off her chair on to the floor, where she uttered an intense and prolonged wail. The men removed the table, that her extrication might become more simple. They found her on her back, smiling and crowing, opening and closing her hands. When she saw the men she began to cry with fright. Then her first articulation was "Mum--Mum--Mum--Mum--Mum."

"She wants her mother," explained Akbar. "I didn't know a lady was to be present; but as we are so happy, would you mind pretending to be her mother? It would help immensely."

Lisa had quite forgotten Cyril's warning, and would have accepted. She was quite willing to enter into the spirit of the performance, whether it was a serious affair, a swindle, or merely an idiotic game; but Simon Iff interfered.

"Madame is not accustomed to seances," he said; and Cyril darted a look at her which compelled her obedience, though she had no idea in the world why she should, or why she shouldn't, do any given thing. She was like one in a strange country; the only thing to do is to conform to the customs as well as one can; and to trust one's guide.

"Baby" continued to yell. The Pasha, prepared for the event, whipped a bottle of milk out of his pocket, and she began to suck at it contentedly.

"What ridiculous fellows those old alchemists were!" said Cyril to his beloved. "How could they have gone on fooling with their athanors and cucurbites and alembics, and their Red Dragon, and their Caput Mortuum, and their Lunar Water? They really had no notion of the Dignity of Scientific Research."

There was no need to press home the bitterness of [43] his speech; Lisa was already conscious of a sense of shame at assisting at such degrading imbecilities.

"Baby" relinquished the bottle, and began to crawl after one of the celluloid balls, which had rolled off the table when they moved it. She found it in a corner, sat up, and began to play with it.

All of a sudden something happened which shocked Lisa into a disgusted exclamation.

"It is all part of the assumption of Baby-hood," said Cyril, coldly "and a bad one; for there is no reason why obsession by a baby's soul or mind should interfere with adult reflexes. The real reason is that this woman comes from the lowest sewers of Buda-Pesth. She was a common prostitute at the age of nine, and only took up this game as a better speculation. It is part of her pleasure to abuse the licence we allow her by such bestialities: it is a mark of her black envy; she does not understand that her foulness does not so much as soil our shoe-heather."

Despite her years of practice in the art of not understanding English, "Baby" winced momentarily. For her dearest thought was the social prestige which she enjoyed. It was terrible to see that the Real Thing was not under the slightest illusion. She did not mind a thousand "exposures" as a fraud; but she did want to keep up the bluff of being a Countess. She was past thirty-five; it was high time she found an old fool to marry her. She had designs on the Pasha; she had agreed to certain proposals in respect of this very seance with a view to getting him into her power.

He was apologizing for her in the conventional way to Simon Iff. She had no consciousness or memory of this state at all, it appeared. "She will grow up in a little while; wait a few moments only."

And so it happened; soon she was prattling to [44] the Pasha, who thoughtfully produced a doll for her to play with. Finally, she came over on her knees to Lisa, and began to cry, and simulate fear, and stammer out a confession of some kind. But Lisa did not wait to hear it; she was hot-tempered, and constitutionally unable to conceal her feelings beyond a certain point. She dragged her skirts away roughly, and went to the other end of the room. The Pasha deprecated the action, with oriental aplomb; but the medium had already reached the next and final stage. She went to the Pasha, sat on his knee, and began to make the most violent love to him, with wanton kisses and caresses.

"That's the best trick of the lot," explained Cyril; "It goes wonderfully with a great many men. It gets their powers of observation rattled; she can pull off the most obvious 'miracles,' and get them to swear that the control was perfect. That's how she fooled Oudouwitz; he was a very old man, and she proved to him that he was not as old as he thought he was. Great Harry Lauder! apart from any deception, a man in such circumstances might be willing to swear away his own reputation in order to assure her a career!"

"It's rather embarrassing," said the Pasha, "especially to a Mohammedan like myself; but one must endure everything in the cause of Science. In a moment now she'll be ready for the sitting."

Indeed, she changed suddenly into Personality Number Three, a very decorous young Frenchwoman named Annette, maid to the wife of a Jewish Banker. She went with rather stiff decorum to the table -- she had to lay breakfast for her mistress, it appeared -- but the moment she got there, she began to tremble violently all over, sank into the chair, and resumed the "Baby" personality, after a struggle. "Det away, bad Annette -- naughty, naughty!" was the [45] burden of her inspiring monologue for a few minutes. Then she suddenly became absorbed in the small objects before her -- the Pasha had replaced them -- and began to play with them, as intently as many children do with toys.

"Now we must have the lights down!" said the Pasha. Cyril complied. "Light is terribly painful and dangerous to her in this state. Once she lost her reason for a month through some one switching on the current unexpectedly. But we shall make a close examination, for all that." He took a thick silk scarf, and bound it over her eyes. Then, with an electric torch, he swept the table. He pulled back her sleeves to the shoulder and fastened them there; and he went over her hands inch by inch, opening the fingers and separating them, searching the nails, proving, in short, to demonstration, that there was no deception.

WHEN MOONCHILD TRAUMAS MISCARRY (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/mindcontrol/chapter02.htm)

According to someone who has helped with the programming and Moon Child ceremonies, occasionally the child while in the womb when traumatized by the Moon Child rituals, retreats into its mind like a cocoon, and develops autism. Autism is an emotional problem where the child withdraws from reality and goes into its own private world of altered states. The programmers for many years did not know why some children developed autism from the trauma rather MPD (DID), but in some cases it seems related to high 1.0. (IQ?) and genetics. The programmers are not able to reach such children, and essentially all were discarded into mental hospitals or used in rituals, until about 20 years ago when more and more of them were allowed to survive in public. An article “Altered States”, based on the Donna William’s autobiographical book Somebody Somewhere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somebody_Somewhere_(book)) seems to buttress that autism can be mind-control duds. Williams is both autistic & MPD.

Her book reveals that autistic children have acute sensory perception (intelligence) rather than retardation. There are different types of autism, and the authors do not understand the topic well enough to write much more than this. It is quite possible autism may have several causes, some which do not relate to the failure to become MPD (DID), but may be the result of some other cause. However, the increase in autistic children is believed by the authors to be the result of increased trauma-based mind control. MS (multiple sclerosis) is another side effect, which can stem from brain stem scarring.

donnawilliams (http://www.donnawilliams.net/about.0.html)

grew up in a family with more challenges than my own and spent most of my first 24 years on fairly continuous antibiotics with undiagnosed food intolerances, food allergies, blood sugar problems, nutrient deficiencies and two primary immune deficiencies. In a nutshell, I was highly erratic, distracted, impulsive, often giggly and smiley, generally in a drugged state and was sick most of my early life. This meant I was unable to answer a direct question, to stay sitting in a seat, to hand in any work or acknowledge what I did or didn't understand.

My reflection was my best friend and family and until adulthood I inhabited my body along with a number of other 'characters', a male persona who embodied logic and detachment and resembled a walking encyclopaedia, called Willie, and a female one who embodied stored characterisations and the exuberance of mania, called Carol, who both helped me survive. I associated Donna with the sensory-oriented, more feral self, the feeling self and very much a ‘cat-person’ interacting and communicating indirectly. Today there is generally ‘one’ relatively cohesive Donna.

Moonchild (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonchild_(King_Crimson_song)) (King Crimson song)

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"Moonchild (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/k/king+crimson/moonchild_20078590.html)" is the fourth track from the British progressive rock band King Crimson's debut album, In the Court of the Crimson King.

Lyrics
Call her moonchild
Dancing in the shallows of a river
Lovely moonchild
Dreaming in the shadow
Of the willow.

Talking to the trees of the
Cobweb strange
Sleeping on the steps of a fountain
Waving silver wands to the
Night-birds song
Waiting for the sun on the mountain.

Shes a moonchild
Gathering the flowers in a garden.
Lovely moonchild
Drifting on the echoes of the hours.

Sailing on the wind
In a milk white gown
Dropping circle stones on a sun dial
Playing hide and seek
With the ghosts of dawn
Waiting for a smile from a sun child.

brown.

turquoisefire777

03-09-2008, 09:45 PM

sorry to make such a rapid change, but i...

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just could not skip mentioning that since he became governor...

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he's just not the same...like something is draining him from the inside...he's empty even when he's smiling these days...

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suddenly he's so old...just look at how those eyes are sunken back...like he's heard some terrible story he can't digest...

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definately not who he used to be with that sparkle of a world champion and celebrity millionare....

i think there is some serious mind control work done on him...and it broke him.

brown velvet

03-09-2008, 10:06 PM

BE AWARE. TRIGGERY.

The Moonchild rituals (http://educate-yourself.org/mc/illumformula1chap.shtml) are the rituals to demonize a fetus. However, the demons that are invoked are not the small ones, but very powerful ones. In working with victims of this programming, it is clear that high level demons were placed within these people at very early ages. It is believed many of them were demonized before they were born by rituals like the Moonchild rituals. Blood sacrifices and human sacrifices are always required for this level of magic. Aleister Crowley (1875-1947) was a Satanist who was a 33rd degree Scottish Rite Freemason. He also was a leader in a number of other Masonic rites as well as an OTO leader, a chief in Stella Matutina, and a MI-6 (Br. overseas intelligence) agent. His writings have been important within 20th century Satanism and with black magicians. He wrote Moonchild, first published in 1917.

The idea of the Moonchild is that by use of black magic, a perfect soul can be captured. The belief in reincarnation, which is prevalent among the Illuminati and Satanic groups, lends itself to the belief that souls compete for a particular embryo. On page 107- 108 of Moonchild, the idea is expressed,

“To produce a man who should not be bound up in his heredity, and should have the environment which they desired for him.”

This perfect soul in a proper person is called Homunculus. The magical work upon which this is based is said to be derived from Francis Bacon, Albertus Magnus, and Paracelsus who were all reported in occult circles to have captured souls and placed them into brass statues. The Hittites, the people of Asia Minor and Syria have long sought the ability to create a superman and a superwoman. The Illuminati’s inside occult history places the Hittites in their ancestry. In 1917, long before Superman appeared in comics and movies, Aleister Crowley was writing about a superman. The magical idea is to capture a soul from the 4th dimension. In the book Moonchild, the villa used to produce a Moonchild was called “The Butter-fly-Net”. The Monarch Project (which is named after the Monarch butterfly) is also an allusion to the Moonchild project where Butterflies are an allusion to souls (what Christians call demonic spirits).

The actual rituals carried out to create a Moonchild are described in detail in three of Crowley’s writings. A vague description of the rituals can be seen by reading the book Moonchild. The ritual took place at a villa nicknamed The Butterfly Net. The villa was really an occult temple laid out in sacred geometrics. It had figures of satyrs, fauns, and nymphs. It had statues of Artemis. Lots of silver objects and crescents and 9-pointed stars were at the villa, because these objects all relate to the Moon in magic. The woman who was pregnant was surrounded by objects related to the moon. The moon’s influence was repeatedly invoked. A small triangular silver altar to Artemis was used. There was a sacred spring where the woman was washed. The number 9 (which is sacred to the moon) was used along with its square of 81. Prayers were made to Artemis, and there was the reenactment of the capture of Diana by Pan. The woman was coached to identify herself with what is known as Grandmother Moon (in the book, she simply is called the Moon or Diana) by identifying her thoughts and actions with the deities one is wanting to invoke.

The creation of the Moonchildren within the Monarch Project involves high level magic by the circle of Illuminati black magicians who are involved with a particular individual’s programming. It should be noted that Grande Master and Grande Dame alters will understand demonology, but the sections (levels) of alter above them, are not informed. One of the biggest secrets kept from most of the slave’s alters is that their system was demonized while a fetus. First, this would give religious front alters the information they need to get them on the right track towards healing, and it could also adversely affect the programming lies of some of the front alters who don’t realize how premeditated all the trauma and torture is. The front alters of victims remember the cover story that the moon children were produced via torture in cages as little children. The Illuminati have also planned that every one of the Ten Commandments of God will be violated in their favor with the child. They prefer the child to be born out of wedlock so that it is a bastard. This breaks God’s commandment on adultery, and also gives them more leverage to destroy the child’s self-esteem. This entire plan involves generational curses which are spoken and unspoken. During Illuminati ceremonies, Ceremonial Pacts (which concern having the child out of wedlock to mock God) are made. While the Illuminati destroy any Godly spiritual foundation, they are creating a solid, rock hard foundation of “love” (adoration or idolatry) within the newborn upon which they will build the programming.

brown.

moonshine

03-09-2008, 11:05 PM

The Killing Room (2008)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1119191/

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Staring Peter Stormare (Another CIA mind controled agent/actor?), who was in films such as:

Constantine (2005)
Stormare plays Satan in this film, he also stars along side Keanu Reeves 'My Own Private Idaho'
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The Brothers Grimm (2005)
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He had a small role along side Heath Ledger.

Unknown (2006) A similar movie to 'The Killing Room' and CIA related.

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Boot Camp (2007) Both the same as the 'Unknown' and the 'Killing Room' That's three films with almost the same plot? A Mind control theme.

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0870204/

One Night with You (2006)

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www.imdb.com/title/tt0790722/

They Never Found Her (2007)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0996531/

Anamorph (2007)

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0497323/

The Horsemen (2008)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0892767/

Insanitarium (2008)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1103984/

The Fallen (2009/II)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1235125/

Bruiser (2000)

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0212830/maindetails

Other films and video games:
Minority Report, Spun, Quake 4(VG), Premonition, Mercenaries and 2(VG), 2001 Maniacs, Birth, Dancer in the Dark, 8MM, Circus, Purgatory, Armageddon, Mercury Rising, Playing God and Fargo.

Peter Stormare was Discovered by Ingmar Bergman.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000005/

The Serpent's Egg (1977)
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Ingmar Bergmans Nazi Connections:
Movie description
This unusual political drama by Ingmar Bergman was filmed at Bavaria Film Studios in Munich during the director's exile from Sweden after encountering problems with tax officials back home. THE SERPENT'S EGG, a big-budget German-American coproduction, was Bergman's second work in English after THE TOUCH and is set in 1920s Berlin, shortly before Hitler's rise to power. Abel (David Carradine), a Jewish trapeze artist, and his late brother's wife, Manuela (Liv Ullmann), a cabaret performer and part-time prostitute, are forced to seek employment at a medical clinic run by Dr. Vergerus (Heinz Bennent), because other work is hard to come by in the poverty-stricken and inflation-prone city. But Abel and Manuela's financial problems are overshadowed by a gruesome discovery: the mad-scientist-like Vergerus is secretly conducting human experiments--foreshadowing the horrors of the concentration camps. Carradine was considered miscast by many critics who didn't know quite what to make of this film. Nightmarish and gripping, it depicts the political turmoil, ever-increasing Nazi brutality, and general moral decay of the time period in vivid, graphic images. Bergman has admitted to being a follower of Hitler's in his youth, and some have speculated that this film, deviating from the director's usual subject matter, represented an act of repentance of sorts

krakhead

03-09-2008, 11:10 PM

BE AWARE. TRIGGERY.

PMSL!

Can I put that on a t-shirt? ;)

moonshine

03-09-2008, 11:21 PM

Poster of Ingmar Bergman's The Serpent's Egg
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Snake eating its self or Snake spiral?

This superb solid gold bracelet is in perfect condition. The bracelet was made in the shape of a snake with the body curled around in a single spiral. It is open and modeled in such a way that one end represents the head with the mouth open, while the other end depicts the undulating tail of the reptile.

The best parallels for this piece come from Egypt, where one can find similar types of bracelets dating from the early Ptolemaic period. In this region, the snake was associated with the cult of Isis.

While the mythological relationship between Isis and the snake is not altogether clear, her success throughout the Greco-Roman world was certainly aided by her association with the coiled serpent, a symbol that was easily adapted to the making of beautiful jewelry.

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brown velvet

03-09-2008, 11:23 PM

PMSL!

Can I put that on a t-shirt? ;)

Hey krakhead:D

You're THAT good? :eek: will you then send me one, pllllllllllllllease

:p

brown.

PS nice to know you're still reading the posts though ;)

krakhead

03-09-2008, 11:26 PM

Hey krakhead:D

You're THAT good? :eek: will you then send me one, pllllllllllllllease

:p

brown.

PS nice to know you're still reading the posts though ;)

It'll cost you £15

I'm only still reading cos I can't work out how to unsubscribe from this lunacy! ;)

hunkahunka

04-09-2008, 12:00 AM

Here is reproduced Chapter Four of Walter Bowart's book Operation Mind Control (Dell Publishing, New York, 1978).

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This text provides ample evidence of the important role that hypnosis played in the mind control-race which has since-long preoccupied the major world governments.

Walter Bowart mentions here many forgotten scientifc experiments that prove the powerful implementation of hypnosis in Mind Control and behavior changing activities and techniques. Most of the material here presented is not acknowledged by the scientific community due to government efforts to keep it suppressed.

Subtitles in brackets added by reviewer

I can hypnotize a man — without his knowledge or consent — into committing treason against the United States,” boasted Dr. George Estabrooks in the early 1940s.

[ Hypnosis As A Political Threat to Government Security ]
Estabrooks, chairman of the Department of Psychology at Colgate University, was called to Washington by the War Department shortly after Pearl Harbor. Since he was the ranking authority on hypnosis at the time, they wanted his opinion on how the enemy might be planning to use hypnotism. “Two hundred trained foreign operators, working in the United States,” Estabrooks told the military leaders, “could develop a uniquely dangerous army of hypnotically controlled Sixth Columnists.”

At that time, only a handful of men knew of the government’s experiments with hypnosis for the purpose of controlling minds in the interest of “national security.” In that decade there had been no concentrated assassinations of presidents, candidates, or civil rights leaders. There had not yet been Watergate, nor any disclosures of government agencies invading the privacy of United States citizens. The CIA had not yet been conceived, and even its parent, the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), did not exist.

[ Hypnosis Mind Control Experiments by The US Government ]
It was unthinkable at the time that an agency of the U.S. government would employ mind-control techniques on its own people. Therefore it was natural for George Estabrooks to believe that if America were threatened by hypnotic mind control, the threat would be posed by a foreign enemy working within the United States.

[ Hypnosis As A Mean Of Creating Secret Couriers ]
So in 1943 Estabrooks sounded his public alarm, and planted the seed for what would become priority top-secret research for the next twenty-five years. Couching his disclosure in hypothetical terms and saying that the hypnotized mind “could be” put to military use, he then portrayed a scene which he said could “very easily take place.”

It would be possible, he said, for “the enemy” to plant a foreign agent as a doctor in a hospital or his own office. This “doctor” could, by means of fake physical examinations, place thousands of people under his power over a period of time. Estabrooks projected how, by hypnotizing key officers and programming them to follow suggestions, this “masked maneuver” could enable a lowly first lieutenant to take over the reins of the entire U.S. Army.

His alternate scenario depicted the General Staff summoning a colonel from Intelligence to an emergency meeting in the Pentagon two days after an outbreak of war. Shortly after entering the room where Pentagon “brain trusters” were gathered, the colonel is put into hypnotic trance by an army psychologist and told there has been a change of plans for the defense of major territory. The details of the plan have to be conveyed in absolute secrecy to the Pacific Command. Since the enemy has been very successful in monitoring U.S. communications, a new, highly reliable procedure is needed to slip the message past the enemy. The colonel, under the influence of hypnosis, will carry the top-secret message.

“When you wake up,” the hypnotized colonel is told, “you will no longer have the slightest knowledge of the secret information carried in the lower layers of your mind.” The colonel is then given instructions to proceed by airplane to Honolulu. He is told that in his normal waking state he will hold the impression that he is on a routine mission and must report after his arrival to General Y.

“He is the only man in the world who can hypnotize you again. Put to sleep by General Y — and only him — you will correctly recall all the details of this conversation and disclose the secret instructions we have just given you.”

Estabrooks said later he had given the Pentagon episode only as a practical example of how the new science of hypnotism could be used for military purposes.

[ Hypnosis Mind Control As A Saboteurs-Creating Tool ]
Going even further with his alarming predictions, Estabrooks told how disguised techniques of hypnosis could be employed to create an entire army of saboteurs within our own country. “Let us suppose that in a certain city there lives a group of a given foreign extraction. They are loyal Americans but still have cultural and sentimental ties to the old country. A neighborhood doctor, working secretly for a foreign power, hypnotizes those of his patients who have ties favorable to his plans. Having done this he would, of course, remove from them all knowledge of their ever having been hypnotized.

“Next comes a one-month period of indoctrination under hypnosis. By various means, including the offer of substantial rewards and educational processes designed to strengthen their ancestral loyalties, their cooperation is obtained.”

Estabrooks explained how individuals so controlled would have no conscious aversion to Americans and would continue to behave as good citizens. Subconsciously, however, they would be saboteurs and agents of the enemy.

[ Demolishing The Myth Of Moral-Limitations In Hypnosis ]
“All right, you say. This sounds beautiful on paper. But what about the well-known ‘psychological principle’ that no one will do anything under hypnosis that he wouldn’t do when he’s awake?” Estabrooks asked.

“My experiments have shown this assumption is poppycock. It depends not so much on the attitude of the subject as on that of the operator himself ... In wartime, the motivation for murder under hypnosis doesn’t have to be very strong,” Estabrooks warned.

“During World War I, a leading psychologist made a startling proposal to the navy. He offered to take a submarine steered by a captured U-boat captain, placed under his hypnotic control, through enemy mine fields to attack the German fleet. Washington nixed the strategem as too risky. First, because there was no disguised method by which the captain’s mind could be outflanked. Second, because today’s technique of day-by-day breaking down of ethical conflicts brainwashing was still unknown.

“The indirect approach to hypnotism would, I believe, change the navy’s answer today. Personally,” Estabrooks concluded, “I am convinced that hypnosis is a bristling, dangerous armament which makes it doubly imperative to avoid the war of tomorrow.”

George Estabrooks may have greatly contributed to the U.S. government’s interest in hypnosis. For during the years that followed, seeking ways both to improve the mind and to control it, various government agencies, many of them with intelligence functions, secretly pursued research in hypnotic techniques.

[ Employing Hypnosis To Induce Acts Against The Will ]
A number of related events during the 1940s demonstrated the extent of the government’s interest in hypnosis. Beyond changing beliefs, they sought ways to motivate people to commit acts which they would not commit in a normal state.

Dr. Bernard C. Gindes wrote of an amnesia experiment he undertook for the U.S. Army in the late forties. “A soldier with only grade school education was able to memorize an entire page of Shakespeare’s Hamlet after listening to the passages seven times. Upon awakening, he could not recall any of the lines, and even more startling was the fact that he had no remembrance of the hypnotic experience. A week later he was hypnotized again. In this state, he was able to repeat the entire page without a single error. In another experiment to test the validity of increased memory retention, five soldiers were hypnotized en masse and given a jumbled ‘code’ consisting of twenty-five words without phonetic consistency. They were allowed sixty seconds to commit the list to memory. In the waking state, each man was asked to repeat the code; none of them could. One man hazily remembered having had some association with a code, but could not remember more than that. The other four soldiers were allowed to study the code consciously for another sixty seconds, but all denied previous acquaintance with it. During rehypnotization, they were individually able to recall the exact content of the coded message.”

[ Hypnotically-Induced Criminal Behaviour ]
In 1947, J. G. Watkins induced criminal behavior in deeply hypnotized subjects during an army experiment. Watkins suggested a distorted view of reality to his subjects by inducing hallucinations which allowed them to avoid direct conflict with their own moral concepts. He carefully chose his suggestions to be in line with his subjects’ preexisting motivational structures, and so was able to induce so-called antisocial behavior.

Watkins took a normal, healthy army private, a young man whose tests indicated a most stable personality, and put him in a deep trance’. Though merely striking a superior officer is a court-martial offense in the army, Watkins wanted to see if he could get his subject to strangle a highranking officer.

After the subject was deep into trance, Watkins told him that the officer sitting across from him was a Japanese soldier who was trying to kill him. He must kill or be killed, Watkins suggested, and immediately the private leapt ferociously at the officer and grabbed him by the throat. In his waking state, the private would have been aghast at the thought of trying to strangle a superior officer. But under hypnosis, believing the officer was a dangerous Japanese soldier, the young private had to be pulled off his superior by three husky assistants. The officer came within a hairsbreadth of being strangled, as the young man was most persistent in his attempt to kill what he regarded as the enemy.

Watkins repeated this experiment with other subjects. The second time he used two officers who were good friends. One of them was given the hypnotic suggestion that the other was a Japanese soldier and that he must “kill or be killed.” The man who had received the command not only made a powerful lunge at his friend, but as he did, he whipped out and opened a concealed jack knife, which neither the doctor, his assistants, nor his friend knew he had. Only the quick action of one of the assistants, who was a judo expert, prevented a potentially fatal stabbing.

In both cases, reality was so distorted that the subjects took murderous and antisocial action. If they had accomplished their “defensive” acts, both men could have been convicted of murder, since the law did not recognize motivation through hypnosis as a fact. The courts, in all but a few cases, had adopted the traditional scientific view that criminal behavior cannot be induced under hypnosis. That view still stands today.

[ The Use Of Hypnosis During Interrogations To Obtain Confessions ]
To test the premise, which was then widely held, that a normal person under hypnotic trance could not be made to divulge information which would be self-incriminating, Watkins conducted a number of experiments where a monetary bribe was offered to withhold information. Watkins discovered that “when placed in a trance they ‘spilled’ every time, either verbally or in writing.”

The subject of one of these experiments was an enlisted WAC in military intelligence. Her commanding officer ordered her not to reveal a list of what were made to appear to be real military secrets. Under hypnosis she “spilled” everything.

[ Hypnosis As A Mean To Breach-Through Military Top-Secrets ]
Another experiment was discontinued when it was discovered that a research worker in the government arsenal was spilling vital and top-secret war information to the friendly army hypnotist, who did not have a “need to know.” He did this loud and clear while in a trance before an audience of 200 military professionals. If the subject had been allowed to continue, the disclosures of information would have resulted in a general court martial, no matter how the doctor might have tried to persuade intelligence headquarters that this was “just a test.”

Much of the army’s experimentation with manipulation by hypnosis was inspired by the reports of Wesley Raymond Wells, a doctor at Syracuse University. Wells’s research, in turn, had been inspired by the fiction of the 1880s and 1890s, which described criminal acts as being induced by hypnosis. Wells was taken by the idea that “the most striking feature in a hypnotized subject is his automatism.” Although earlier experiments had elicited no immoral or criminal behavior from subjects under hypnosis, the results of experiments which asked subjects to resist various suggestions indicated to Wells that people might be more suggestible than was generally believed.

[ Debunking The Myth Of Low-Hypnotizability ]
In the late 1930s, Wells conducted a simple experiment with a student volunteer. He chose a subject who had stated that he expected he would be below average in hypnotizability and claimed he could not be put into a trance. Before inducing trance, Wells urged him to do his utmost to resist, in every possible way, first going into the trance, and then doing anything against his own moral code.

When the student told Wells that he was ready to begin the contest, the doctor put his hand on the subject’s chest, counted to seven, and found that the subject had already fallen into a deep trance! After testing the subject’s muscle control and ability to obtain amnesia and hallucinations, Wells proceeded to suggest that the subject get up from his chair, go over to Wells’s overcoat which was on a coatrack across the room, and take a dollar from the right-hand pocket. Wells suggested that the subject see the coat as his own, and take the dollar thinking that he had left it in the pocket. When the subject followed all of Wells’s suggestions, he then told him to put the dollar in his own breast pocket and return to his chair. As he was about to sit, Wells said to him that when he sat in the chair he would remember only that he had had this extra dollar when he came into the office, and that later he would spend the dollar, just as if it were his own.

hunkahunka

04-09-2008, 12:03 AM

continued:

Afterwards, during the student’s recall of his experiences, Wells found that everything had worked according to the hypnotic program he had implanted. This was, of course, a clinical sort of test for amnesia.

“Whether his amnesia would have withstood ‘thirddegree’ methods of the police or the lie detector methods of the psychological laboratory is another question,” Wells said. “On the basis of my previous experimental study of posthypnotic amnesia, I would state it as my opinion that hypnotically induced amnesia in the case of so good a subject ... would have withstood any possible tests, or atleast it might have been made to withstand any possible tests if added precautions had been taken in the hypnotic production of the amnesia.”

[ Milton Erickson’s Sketpicism About The Experiments ]
Wells’ report of this experiment, published in a psychology journal in 1941, brought a negative reaction from the scientific community. Milton Erickson was among the first to say that Wells’s experiments were at best inconclusive. Erickson reported that after attempting to duplicate similar hypnotic inducements of crime with fifty subjects, he had failed. He concluded from his own investigations that “hypnosis cannot be misused to induce hypnotized persons to commit actual wrongful acts either against themselves or others...” The so-called antisocial acts induced by Wells and others, Erickson maintained, were most likely motivated by factors other than hypnosis or suggestion.

“We know that it is possible, without recourse to hypnosis, for one person to induce another to commit a wrong, a fact we may explain loosely as the influence of one personality upon another,” Erickson explained. “To settle this question is difficult, since it involves three inseparable factors of unknown potentialities — specifically, the hypnotist as a person, the subject as a person, and hypnosis as such, to say nothing of the significant influence upon these three, both individually and collectively, of the suggestion and the performance of a questionable act.”

But even Erickson conceded that the primitive being, the libido, which dwells in everyone, makes almost any crime possible. When a hallucinatory state has been induced and the subject thinks he or she is acting out of self-preservation, the primitive mind takes over and the killer instinct is unleashed.

[ The Controversial Question Of “Will” In Hypnosis ]
In the late 1930s psychologists began grappling with the problem of human will, as the theologians before them had done for centuries. Some maintained that “will” meant conscious volition; others, that it meant nothing but the manifestation of the belief system, that is to say, the result of the earliest conditioned responses. The area of will still lies outside the limits of modem psychology. Many experts are loath even to use the word “will” since it represents a most ill-defined dimension of human nature.

Summing up a carefully constructed semantic argument, psychologists often say, “A person cannot be made to do anything against his will or basic moral precepts.” That statement, taken at face value, is certainly true. A normal person would not wittingly kill a friend. But if he was made to hallucinate that his friend was an enemy, and it was a “kill or be killed” situation, he would initiate a natural response to preserve his own life. In the process he might even take the imagined enemy’s life. After the hallucination passed, he would realize he had killed his friend. This criminal act would be considered, in one sense, an act of will; but the real cause of the action would not be understood outside the hallucinated state. Only the killer’s grief would remain, to attest to his knowledge of what he did, and that he really did not want to do it.

Whether or not hypnosis can be used to deeply motivate people to commit antisocial acts despite the call of their own conscience is still an open question in academic circles.

[ Investigating Hypnotic Suggestibility ]
George Estabrooks had evidence which made him conclude that “one in every five of the human race are highly suggestible, at least half are suggestible to a very considerable degree.” And he warned, “...mere figures do not tell the story. That one fifth has a power far beyond its numbers; for this type of man, acting under direct suggestion, is no mere average person. He is a fanatic, with all that fanaticism may imply for good or evil . Can this prospective subject — this one in five individual — be hypnotized against his will?”

“The answer to this very vital question,” Estabrooks concluded, “is ‘yes,’ though we prefer to say ‘without his consent’ instead of ‘against his will.’ We do not need the subject’s consent when we wish to hypnotize him for we use ‘disguised’ technique...”

Believing in Estabrooks’ logic, pragmatists in the government began to explore the possibilities of ways to change belief and motivate behavior. They let scores of contracts for research into hypnosis, behavior modification, conditioning, and virtually anything that held even a slim chance of being able to give them control over the individual human mind and will.

[ Mind-Control International ]
Meanwhile foreign governments unfriendly to the United States were involved in similar psychological research. But the U.S. government’s fear of losing superiority in this new and untested field ran away with them. Intelligence analysts believed a “mind-control gap” existed, and to close it they mobilized “think tanks” to develop a usable program of experimental research, at once.

[ Mind Control, Hypnosis, And The Moscow Trials ]
From one such think tank, the Rand Corporation, came a report entitled Are the Cominform Countries Using Hypnosis Techniques to Elicit Confession In Public Trials? Dated April 25, 1949, it helped set the stage for using national security as the rationale for resorting to mind control to motivate criminal acts, both at home and abroad.

“The successful use of hypnosis,” the report said, “would represent a serious threat to democratic values in times of peace and war. In addition, it might contribute to the development of unconventional methods of warfare, which will be widely regarded as immoral. The results of scientific research in the field under discussion would obviously lend themselves to offensive as well as defensive applications and to abuse no less than to use. It must be assumed that almost all of the scientific personnel in the field of hypnosis are keenly aware of these social implications of their work and that they are interested in limiting the practice of hypnosis to therapeutic applications.” That assumption proved to be untrue.

The Rand report recommended “that these moral and political implications of experimental research on hypnosis be explored as fully as possible prior to official encouragement or sponsorship of such research, so as to establish the most effective safeguards against its unintended consequences.”

The Rand study dwelt at length upon Soviet experiments in hypnosis dating back to 1923. “At the State Institute of Experimental Psychology in Moscow,” the report stated, “it was demonstrated that hypnosis could be used in inducing an innocent person to develop intense guilt feelings and to confess to a criminal or immoral act which he did not commit. In 1932 the experiments on hypnotically implanted ‘crimes’ were reported (in English translation) by A. R. Luria, who at that time was a professor in the Academy of Communist Education.”

[ Hypnotically-Induced Emotional Disturbances ]
Quoting Luria, the report described how hypnosis was used as a device for producing emotional disturbances in order to control behavior. “We suggested to the person under test, while in a sufficiently deep hypnotic state, a certain situation, more often a disagreeable one, in which he was playing a role irreconcilable with his habits and contrary to his usual behavior — we thus obtained an actual and rather sharply expressed acute effect. After awakening the person under test . . . we had a subject who was ‘loaded’ with certain definite affective complexes, which mostly remained unknown to himself ...”

[ Mind Control Through Hypnotically-Induced Sense of Guiltiness ]
Luria described an experiment with a twenty-year-old female college student who was told under deep hypnosis that she was sitting in her room studying when a neighbor child, a boy of six, came into the room. She was told that the child shouted when he came into the room and disturbed her studies. She asked him to stop, but he did not listen. The young woman was then told that she would get angry and forget herself. She would take a stick and beat the boy, first on the back and then on the head. The boy would cry out from the wounds on his head, but she would keep on beating him. She would then feel very ashamed and would be unable to understand how such a thing could happen, how she could beat up a child. Finally, she was told that she must try to forget the incident altogether.

Luria explained that he had chosen this situation with a definite purpose. Since the hallucinated event was entirely unacceptable by the moral standards of the young woman’s personality, it was natural that she would feel repentant. He reinforced her natural desire to forget by suggesting to her that she remove the memory of the event from her mind.

In subsequent trances the subject was questioned about the “beating.” With great difficulty she reconstructed the event, but shifted the emphasis on several points so that the imagined event would conform more to her basic moral code. At first she refused to remember that she had “beaten” the child. She then conceded that she had “pulled his ears.” Then, finally, she admitted she had “beaten him,” but she maintained she had not beaten him with a stick. Luria said that this showed how unacceptable the situation was to her personality. The student said twice, “my conscience has tortured me.” Luria said this showed the effectiveness of the hypnotic suggestion.

Of the experiment, Irving Janis, author of the Rand report, observed, “in this particular case, the implanted memory was initially referred to by the examiner as a ‘dream’ rather than as a real event. But from the detailed reports of other investigators, this procedure does not appear to be necessary for eliciting a false confession: a hypnotized subject will often accept and confess to an implanted memory as a real event in his own past life.”

[ False-Memories Implanted Through Hypnosis ]
The Rand report itself suggested that this trick of hypnotic suggestion might be used on a defendant awaiting trial. The defendant could be “prepared” in a series of hypnotic sessions to accept guilt about a criminal act he did not commit, and then, if placed in a hypnotic trance while in the courtroom, the prosecutor’s interrogation would elicit a false confession.

Fearing the Communists’ use of hypnosis, the Rand report warned that hypnosis, once accomplished, is hard to detect. Contrary to reports in the nineteenth century, “a hypnotized subject is not blindly obedient, nor does he act like an automaton when in trance. Hypnotic suggestions are acted out and elaborated in a way that is consonant with the individual’s habitual social behavior and his basic personality traits.” The report stated that while often “the hypnotized subject seems literal and humorless ... he appears entirely unselfconscious, and very often he acts abstracted, inattentive, almost as if he were insulated against his surroundings,” this is not always the case. A number of experienced hypnotists had been able to train their subjects to perform “in such a way that observers could not tell that the subject was in a trance or that he was acting under hypnotic suggestions.”

[ Hypnotic Induction Scheme For Obtaining False-Confessions ]
The Rand report outlined the following procedure that would elicit a false confession. “First, make the subject feel guilty about some acts he had thought about or had actually carried out in the past. Second, make him feel guilty about having committed some crime of which he was actually innocent. The implanted guilt would compel the subject to confess when examined by a hypnotist or anyone else designated by the hypnotist. Third, train the subject, by means of posthypnotic suggestion, to go into the trance whenever a simple signal was encountered.” The subject would be trained to give his false confession in a normal, convincing manner, so that observers would not be able to detect the trance state.

[ Covert-Hypnosis Techniques ]
To induce hypnosis in an unwilling subject, the report suggested any of three possibilities which were then well supported by research findings:

As part of a medical examination, talk relaxation to the subject, thus disguising the hypnotic induction. For example, the person could be given a blood pressure test, told that he must relax completely in order to give an adequate test record, and then be given suggestions to go to sleep which would result in a hypnotic trance.

Induce hypnosis while the person is actually asleep from normal fatigue. This could be done by simply talking softly into the sleeper’s ear.

Use injections of drugs to induce hypnosis. The hypnotic drugs would relax the subject and put him in a “twilight state” where the subconscious mind is very susceptible to suggestion.

[ Drug-Supported Hypnosis ]
Subjects who refuse or resist the simple “talking” methods of hypnotic induction could be given a few grams of paraldehyde or an intravenous injection of sodium pentothal or sodium amytal. The appropriate dosage of these drugs invariably induces a state of light hypnotic sleep. During sleep, the subject could then be given suggestions which would produce the characteristic deep hypnotic trance. While in the first drug-induced trance, the patient could be given posthypnotic suggestions to the effect that he would be susceptible to hypnosis thereafter without the use of drugs. Subsequently the subject could be allowed to practice carrying out posthypnotic suggestions. He could then be rehypnotized, still without his conscious cooperation, but this time without the use of drugs.

The report, admitted that at the time of its writing there was no certain knowledge of just how successful each of the three methods described might prove to be with individuals “who are on their guard against being victimized by hostile authorities.”

“The drug technique,” suggested the report, “would probably turn out to be the simplest and most efficient of the three and so it would be the most likely candidate for ... hypnotizing defendants against their will.”

[ Government Use Of Amnesia-Induction Through Hypnosis ]
Another important use of hypnosis for the government, the report said, would be the induction of amnesia: “Once a deep hypnotic trance is achieved, it is possible to introduce posthypnotic amnesia so that [a subject] ... would not know ... that he had been subjected to hypnosis, to drugs, or to any other treatment.”

The report then turned to the problem of producing the deep hypnotic trance essential to posthypnotic amnesia. It stated that, based on research reports of that time, “in about 90 percent of any unselected population it should be possible to produce the deepest (somnambulistic) type of trance. According to numerous authorities, a light trance is sufficient to elicit a ‘confession’ of actual misbehavior which might otherwise be withheld; but, for carrying out complete posthypnotic amnesia, it is a somnambulistic trance that is required.”

The Rand document expressed fear that Soviet investigators had found other techniques which could produce deep hypnosis in perhaps 90 percent or more of all individuals.

[ Ultra-Deep Hypnotic-Trance Techniques ]
Anticipating future advances, the report speculated on more efficient ways to develop greater depth in hypnotic trance. It suggested that a subject could be placed in a trance many times each day until a sufficient depth of trance was achieved. It was thought that hypnotizing the subject and then awakening him several times in the same session might speed up the process. This technique of successive and rapid trance induction would, it was hoped, make the subject easily susceptible to deep trance in a few days.

To increase speed and depth of hypnosis, special uses of hypnotic drugs were also suggested. “For example, a series of drug-induced trances, as against only one such treatment, might serve to develop the majority of cases into somnambules. Moreover, certain unique drug compounds may be especially effective in inducing very deep states of hypnosis.”

[ Electroshock Convulsions-Based Hypnosis ]
The report then said, “Conceivably, electroshock convulsions might be used as an adjunctive device to achieve somnambulism in a very high percentage of the cases. Many studies have shown that there is a temporary intellectual impairment, diffuse amnesias, and general ‘weakening of the ego’ produced during the period when a series of electroshock convulsions is being administered. From my own and others’ investigations of the psychological effects of such treatments, I would suspect that they might tend to reduce resistance to hypnotic suggestions. It is conceivable, therefore, that electroshock treatments might be used to weaken difficult eases in order to produce a hypnotic trance of great depth.”

[ Hypnotic Mind Control Being Traceless ]
In 1958 the Bureau of Social Science Research (BSSR), a subcontractor to the Rand Corporation, issued a “technical report” on hypnosis to the air force that took up where the earlier Rand report had left off. Once again a “think tank” was calling for action in the mind-control race against the Communists.

“To both the lay person and the behavior scientist,” the author, Seymour Fisher, wrote in the introduction, “hypnosis has long been regarded as a potentially powerful instrument for controlling human behavior. Undoubtedly, the intelligence divisions of many countries have given serious thought to this potential and have done classified research in various areas of hypnosis ... it is conceivable ... that these techniques could have been used and covered up so successfully that they might be impossible to recognize...”

Fisher outlined areas of future research where Americans could advance in the mind-control race. He urged the government to develop tests to determine who was and who was not a good hypnotic subject. He urged further research in pharmacology, suggesting that a number of drugs little known at the time might be effective in inducing hypnosis.

He predicted that some drugs would prove useful in reducing the amount of time required to induce complex hypnotic behavior and that others would be useful in reinforcing the lasting effects of hypnotically induced behavior control. He predicted that drugs would be developed which would permit far greater control over autonomic processes. Some drugs, he suggested, would be found to permit control over learning and perception as well. He also predicted that new drugs would be discovered which would be capable of inducing deep hypnosis in virtually any individual regardless of his degree of cooperativeness.

[ The Army Of Hypno-Zombies ]
All of these techniques, involving drug-induced hypnosis and electroshock convulsions, were eventually developed and used to reduce some of our own citizens to a zombie state in which they would blindly serve the government. Regardless of the Constitution and the laws which supposedly protect the individual against government coercion, “zombies” were covertly created to do the government’s more unsavory bidding. Such “zombies” asked no questions about the legality of their assignments. Often their assignments were never consciously known. And if they were ever questioned about their own actions, amnesia protected them from self-incrimination.

What had started out a race against the Communists slowly turned into a private war from within.

americana

04-09-2008, 02:45 AM

According to someone who has helped with the programming and Moon Child ceremonies, occasionally the child while in the womb when traumatized by the Moon Child rituals, retreats into its mind like a cocoon, and develops autism. Autism is an emotional problem where the child withdraws from reality and goes into its own private world of altered states. The programmers for many years did not know why some children developed autism from the trauma rather MPD (DID), but in some cases it seems related to high 1.0. (IQ?) and genetics. The programmers are not able to reach such children, and essentially all were discarded into mental hospitals or used in rituals, until about 20 years ago when more and more of them were allowed to survive in public. An article “Altered States”, based on the Donna William’s autobiographical book Somebody Somewhere seems to buttress that autism can be mind-control duds. Williams is both autistic & MPD.

Her book reveals that autistic children have acute sensory perception (intelligence) rather than retardation. There are different types of autism, and the authors do not understand the topic well enough to write much more than this. It is quite possible autism may have several causes, some which do not relate to the failure to become MPD (DID), but may be the result of some other cause. However, the increase in autistic children is believed by the authors to be the result of increased trauma-based mind control. MS (multiple sclerosis) is another side effect, which can stem from brain stem scarring.

Wow. I am simply stunned. This is powerful, and very controversial stuff. I, for one, would like to know more.

This is very complex. There are certainly parents who would take exception to this, as they would never harm their children . . . .and only wish that they could find a way to help them in their struggles.

americana

04-09-2008, 02:47 AM

The Illuminati have also planned that every one of the Ten Commandments of God will be violated in their favor with the child. They prefer the child to be born out of wedlock so that it is a bastard. This breaks God’s commandment on adultery, and also gives them more leverage to destroy the child’s self-esteem. This entire plan involves generational curses which are spoken and unspoken. During Illuminati ceremonies, Ceremonial Pacts (which concern having the child out of wedlock to mock God) are made. While the Illuminati destroy any Godly spiritual foundation, they are creating a solid, rock hard foundation of “love” (adoration or idolatry) within the newborn upon which they will build the programming.

Brown, this is beyond APROPOS!!! Beyond, beyond, beyond.

Very au courant . . . (for those puzzling out the current political situation!)

brown velvet

04-09-2008, 03:02 PM

Hi :)

I think this is a very good likeness as to what goes on "INSiDE"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-UIU9QNxJQ&feature=related

Identity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_%28movie%29) is a 2003 psychological horror film, directed by James Mangold and written by Michael Cooney. The film stars John Cusack, Ray Liotta and Amanda Peet. The plot was inspired by Agatha Christie's novel And Then There Were None.

Malcolm Rivers (Pruitt Taylor Vince) is on death row about to be executed for a series of murders, but his doctor (Alfred Molina) argues that Rivers has multiple personalities, one of which is a psychopathic killer who committed the murders. He has been encouraging Rivers through therapy to have all his many personalities meet in one place where hopefully the violent one can eventually be identified and eliminated.

brown.

soulja

04-09-2008, 03:38 PM

great posting brown,

but regarding autism, i think the main reason for it's staggering increase are vaccines. there's lots of research/studies linking autism to vaccines.
http://www.google.de/search?q=autism+linked+to+vaccines&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&client=firefox-a

fox news even tried to debunk it :rolleyes:

anyway, found this flick quiet interesting
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/p3ypdm39.jpg

In a hospital on the outskirts of 1920s Los Angeles, an injured stuntman (Pace) begins to tell a fellow patient, a little girl with a broken arm (Untaru), a fantastical story about 5 mythical heroes. Thanks to his fractured state of mind and her vivid imagination, the line between fiction and reality starts to blur as the tale advances.

and a bit more oldschool;
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/covera517b5d0JPG.jpg

hunkahunka

04-09-2008, 10:19 PM

The Report Newsmagazine ( www.report.ca )
September 25, 2000

The equalizer
When it comes to dissenters against feminism in a Canadian college,
one is too many

by Colby Cosh

At the age of 57, Jeffrey Asher is out of work. "I certainly don't have
any false expectations about being successful at finding another teaching
job,he says from his home in Montreal. "My credentials aren't the best. I am
not a published author, I do not have a PhD. It would have to be a school
that would be interested in offering a course about men. He lets out a
sigh.I would be pleased to hear of one."
For nearly 30 years, Professor Asher was a humanities instructor at
Dawson College, a Montreal CEGEP with over 10,000 students. (Quebecs
distinctive network of colleges denseignement gralet professionel offers
two-year general courses in the arts and sciences for university-bound
students.

In 1994, bewildered by the 50-plus courses in the college calendar
devoted to women, he began to teach mens studies courses. He rapidly became famous in some circles, and notorious in others, for courses such as
Mens Lives, in which the students attempt to understand the male
worldview...We will examine the cultural meanings for men of courage,
duty, fidelity, success, family protection, career, and sexuality.
On May 31 of this year, about three months before his 2000-2001
classes were to begin, Prof. Asher was summarily informed by the Dawson
College curriculum committee that he would no longer be allowed to teach on
the subject of men. Attempting to accommodate him, the school reassigned
him to courses on science and critical thinking. Mortified, Prof. Asher chose
to retire instead, working with the teachers union on a settlement which
is now his sole source of income.
Prof. Asher charges that he was the victim of a feminist putsch in the
academy. I was warned repeatedly along the way by friendly colleagues,
he says. "They would ask me, Are you sure your job is secure? Do you
really want to do this?" The school has so far chosen not to comment
on the dispute, but one of the members of the four-person curriculum
committee is a feminist colleague who was caught on a security
videotape in 1997 papering over notices on Prof. Ashers bulletin board.
Prof. Ashers path of thorns began in the early 1990s when he was
perusing AIDS mortality statistics and noticed something startling. "It wasnt
generally known then, but I found that 94% of all deaths from AIDS
were males, he says. I got interested in the subject of male epidemiology=
and I found that in Canada women live, on average, six years longer
than men. It is typical for such a gap to exist, but the gap is far greater
here than in western European countries. In Britain it is three-and-a-half
years."
He asked Statistics Canada whether they had ever researched the causes
of the disparity. The demographers he spoke to reacted as if he had asked
them about the population of Mars.
Today Prof. Asher is a veritable fountain of such facts. In a fairly
brief conversation, he mentions that men suffer from heart disease twice as
often as women; that men represent 80% of all suicides and 97% of all deaths
on the job; that the male suicide rate trebled in Canada from 1960 to
1990. He noticed that boys were falling behind girls in primary-school academic performance years before the subject found its way onto the cover of nearly every North American magazine. In the 1970s, Prof. Asher had been an early convert to the cause of equal rights for women; it seemed to him that there was now an obvious case to be made for the other side, and he set to it with a vigour that he now admits may have been naive.
Prof. Asher says his mens studies courses brought him three death
threats, and a large sheaf of positive evaluations from male and
female students- evaluations he is not slow to show the media, since the
committee which switched courses on him accused him of belittling and
marginalizing his students. Even if the accusation has any validity,
it is hard to understand why he was given no chance to defend himself before
being ordered to change his courses. The Society for Academic Freedom
and Scholarship is currently conducting an inquiry into the colleges
handling of the affair.
Although he regards his retirement as a setback for the cause of true
equal rights, Prof. Asher retains some optimism. "I cant be the last one to
raise these issues, he says. If I thought I would be, I really would
give up. But I am committed to progress. I remember a time of anti-female
prejudice in the academy, and that went away. Now we have to get
beyond this artificially caused sex antagonism."

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Andrea Dworkin
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The Gazette (Montreal)
6 October 2001, Page B5

The matriarchy rules

Termination of CEGEP course on Men's Lives eliminated a challenge to
feminist domination

By Jeffrey Asher, The Ottawa Citizen

In autumn 1994, I offered students at Dawson College the only course
in Canada on Men's Lives. One young woman asked me, "Is this another man-
hating course?" I assured her that we would examine men's and women's
lives objectively and treat them with equal respect. She smiled and
chirped, "I'm in."

Father taught me to respect ladies and that human rights were indivisible.
In the 1970s, I lectured on sexual equality of opportunity and equality
before the law. Like most men, my naivete about feminist politics was
sustained by raging hormones.

By 1980, the women's movement was increasingly co-opted by the lunatic
fringe. Germaine Greer pontificated, "Women have very little idea of
how much men hate them ... men do not themselves know the depth of their
hatred." Further incitements to anti-male hatred and violence exuded
from Dworkin, McKinnon and others. They remain required reading in feminist
courses, which exclude male faculty or authors, brainwash young women
and ostracize young men. This paranoia remains unchallenged by human-
rights commissions and is financed by governments. Sunera Thobani's recent
"hate speech" is protected by her University of British Columbia women's-
studies professorship.

Critics of their approach pay for their dissent with their careers.

I proposed Men's Lives because the three largest departments
(humanities, English and the social sciences) offered more than 83 courses with feminist titles and content, but nothing objective about men. The sisterhood attempted to neuter the contents and then stalled registration for
Men's Lives. I threatened to appeal to the Ministry of Education and the
media. The few colleagues who still dared to speak to me (off campus) warned me that my career was in peril. I responded with righteous indignation
about equality, fairness and academic freedom. Such naivete.

Two-thirds of Men's Lives students were women and, like the men,
typically open-minded, morally brave and delightfully quick-witted. They
welcomed my course as deliverance from years of classroom male-bashing. In
feminist courses, young men were condemned before their classmates as stupid, patriarchal exploiters, batterers and rapists.

From my course outline: "We will examine men's values and
experiences, and the cultural meanings for men of courage, duty, fidelity, success, family protection, career and sexuality. The intellectual, political,
scientific and cultural achievements of men will be surveyed throughout history.
Reasoned and compassionate analysis will be used to search for
reconciliation away from sexual confrontation, so that men, women and
families may live in harmony." Four universities regularly welcomed me
as a guest lecturer. The matriarchy went apoplectic.

Disrupt Classes

Students warned me about agent provocateurs incited by teachers to
disrupt my classes. One accused me of being paid by Playboy magazine (I wish) and my answering machine recorded anonymous accusations of sexual abuse and death threats. One night, the chairman of women's studies vandalized my bulletin board, in front of a surveillance camera. On the front page of The Gazette, she and my department chair defended her bullying. I
requested management terminate her supervision over my courses. A year later, she ordered that my course outline exclude the term "anti-male hysteria."
Management suspended me from teaching until I removed the politically
incorrect insight. I appealed and lost.

A Men's Lives assignment on sex bias in the media required students to
search the periodical indexes for article titles with the word "men"
and "women." They were astounded to discover that the ratio of female to
male articles is 10:1, and often 20:1. Students scoured StatsCan data; they
learned that men comprise 68 per cent of homicide victims, 80 per cent
of suicides, 92 per cent of AIDS deaths, 97 per cent of deaths on the
job, double the female rate of heart diseases and die six years
prematurely.
They learned about sex differences in the brain, hormones, abilities,
perception and behaviour. My students delighted in the power of
statistical research.

The sisterhood denounced scientific methodology and slandered my
reputation. Every semester, management incited the worst of students
to complain they "felt uncomfortable" and failed my excessively high
standards. They even passed a confessed cheater. Truthfully, I was not
demanding enough. Students failed who should never have graduated from
high school. To management complaints of excessive dropouts, I requested
their retention requirements. They indignantly denied quotas, and
reprimanded me yet again. According to union grievance officers and lawyers, never before had a teacher been so relentlessly persecuted.

Feminist courses impel polarization and "dumbing down" of the
curriculum, to maintain their enrolment. Evidence is plentiful in their course
outlines, typically ungrammatical, illogical, filled with jargon and
often incoherent. Since the mid-1990s, female students and competent
professors increasingly abandoned the sisterhood for the search for useful
knowledge and successful careers.

In May 2000, the head of women's studies, in collaboration with
management, convened a committee that announced "a significant number of students" in my classes felt "belittled and marginalized if they voiced their
opinions or try to substantiate any interpretation of data that may be
different."
They again refused to show me the complaints. They canceled
Men's Lives and ordered me to prepare - within 12 days - three new courses
on "critical thinking," technology and business ethics, for which they
knew I had no training. I protested and demanded that Men's Lives be
reinstated.They threatened to fire me.

Shrewd Timing

Their timing was shrewd. My students were dispersed and unavailable
for protest. Of all colleagues who postured in their classes on freedom of
speech, only the president of the union rallied to my defence. I
refused to capitulate and retired early.

In six years of evaluations, students praised Men's Lives as among the
best courses in the college. More than 85 per cent reported that I treated
them fairly, with content and teaching that was "superior" and
"outstanding."
One hundred per cent agreed I treated them with "courtesy and
respect." For 30 years of evaluations, I ranked as one of the most popular, fair and interesting teachers. I rated highest in "enthusiasm, approachability,
tolerance, responsibility, availability, treating students with courtesy
and respect and in a fair and non-discriminatory manner" and "motivating
students to do their best." How I miss my students' intellectual energy and
curiosity. Teaching was my life. The termination of Men's Lives eliminated the only rational opposition to political correctness and feminist domination at Dawson College.

Half of the human race remains unexamined, except for condemnation. In
2000, Canadian universities listed two courses on men, neither taught
that year, and more than 1,617 feminist courses, offered in programs from
undergraduate to PhD degrees.

Throughout higher education, the matriarchy rules.
Radical feminists continue to win their government-subsidized war
against men, heterosexuality, the family, religion, merit, objectivity,
justice and reality. Long after the defeat of totalitarianism, radical feminism
indoctrinates students to discriminate by sex and race and enforces
censorship and repression on what is acceptable to think and feel.

Citizens must demand reconstruction of the foundations of objective
education and liberty. Freedom of speech is essential to maintain the
ability to search for the truth. Students' minds must be trained to
challenge dogmas if democracy is to survive. The time is long overdue
for universities and colleges to eradicate feminist intolerance and return
to reason and objectivity. Dedicated teachers are eager to reconstruct an
educated and tolerant society. Give us the call.

---

Jeffrey Asher, formerly of Dawson College, taught on the statistical
merits of sexual politics.

brown velvet

05-09-2008, 12:27 AM

Civilians (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2628415/Civilians-given-power-to-issue-on-the-spot-fines.html) given power to issue on-the-spot fines
Local government officials and private security workers have been given police powers to enforce on-the-spot fines for littering, dog fouling and motoring offences.

Seems David Icke was correct when he told us about the traffic warden, in his talk at Howden

brown.

brown velvet

05-09-2008, 12:42 AM

The Report Newsmagazine ( www.report.ca )
September 25, 2000

The equalizer
When it comes to dissenters against feminism in a Canadian college,
one is too many

by Colby Cosh

Hey :)

that was one heck of a post Hunkahunka. Kind of makes sense though. I think I was aware of the 'male bashing' that must have gone on, ensuring woman no longer know just WTF it is they want from men, and men have been totally confused by listening to women and their 'radical' teachings who don't blooming want men in the first place!!!

The hetrosexuals being guided by people who are not interested in forming hetrosexual relationships.
Lose / Lose

brown.

I am sure some people somewhere are incredibly pleased :(

cheeb

05-09-2008, 12:53 AM

Johnathan King

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Rainbow

Jonathan King is jailed for seven years for sexually abusing children, BBC News Online looks at how he used his "market research" as a cover for his sordid activities.

Many in the music industry looked to him for guidance about what "the kids" were into both in the UK and abroad.

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/5407/kingtotppc0.jpg
Jonathan King, pictured on Top of The Pops in 1970, was a household name

King, who had his first hit record in 1965 while still an student at Cambridge, claimed to have a hand on the pulse of Britain's youth

YUK!!!

His knowledge stemmed from a system of questionnaires which he handed out to teenagers, both boys and girls, wherever he found them

He would give the teenagers a list of subjects - family and friends, sport, music, cars, drugs, sex etc - and ask them to put them in order of priority.

David Jeremy, QC, prosecuting, said those boys who listed sex high in their list of priorities were then targeted by King.

The court was told that King's "method" was to befriend boys of 13, 14 and 15, and invite them to his home in Bayswater, west London.

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Alice In Wonderland Imagery.. Croquet Malletts, Red Fox???

Jonathan King (their first manager, who got Genesis signed to Decca in 1967),

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Jonathan King makes Vile Pervert: The Musical

Jonathan King, the disgraced pop impresario, has produced a full length feature film in an attempt to justify the events that led to his conviction for having sex with underage boys.

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Butterflys

The film is narrated by King dressed up as God in robes and a flowing white beard. He also appears, in various costumes, as an accuser, a judge, and a prosecution lawyer.

http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp297/damnsod/vpthemusical.jpg

Imagery On Johnathan King's "Earth To King" Album

The musical also features a song called The True Story of Harold Shipman, which King published on YouTube last year. In it, King claims that the serial killer doctor was innocent of his crimes and was only putting elderly people out of their misery.

moonshine

05-09-2008, 01:52 AM

Ingmar Bergman's face to face.

http://i33.tinypic.com/33xaama.jpg

A sensitive exploration of the tragic irony of the psychiatrist suffering with mental illness. Dr. Jenny Isaksson (Liv Ullman) is a psychiatrist married to another psychiatrist; both are successful in their jobs but slowly, agonizingly, she succumbs to a breakdown. Jenny is haunted by images and emotions from her past and eventually cannot function, either as a wife, a doctor or as an individual.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074147/plotsummary

cheeb

05-09-2008, 02:04 AM

Ingmar Bergman's face to face.

http://i33.tinypic.com/33xaama.jpg

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074147/plotsummary

That Reminds Me Of Gnarles Barkley Song "Crazy"

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Butterflys And Spirals...

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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w

Rosarch Inkblot Tests And All That...!!!!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w&feature=related

GNARLS BARKLEY LYRICS

"Crazy"

I remember when, I remember, I remember when I lost my mind
There was something so pleasant about that place.
Even your emotions had an echo
In so much space

And when you're out there
Without care,
Yeah, I was out of touch
But it wasn't because I didn't know enough
I just knew too much

Does that make me crazy?
Does that make me crazy?
Does that make me crazy?
Possibly [radio version]
probably [album version]

And I hope that you are having the time of your life
But think twice, that's my only advice

Come on now, who do you, who do you, who do you, who do you think you are,
Ha ha ha bless your soul
You really think you're in control

Well, I think you're crazy
I think you're crazy
I think you're crazy
Just like me

My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb
And all I remember is thinking, I want to be like them
Ever since I was little, ever since I was little it looked like fun
And it's no coincidence I've come
And I can die when I'm done

Maybe I'm crazy
Maybe you're crazy
Maybe we're crazy
Probably

Uh, uh

broken silence

05-09-2008, 04:53 PM

Moonchild Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonchild_(novel))

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/02%2009%2008%20lollipops/Moonchild-Crowley-1.jpg

Moonchild Novel (http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/moonchild/index.html)

Chapter III (http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/moonchild/mc03.html)

WHEN MOONCHILD TRAUMAS MISCARRY (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/mindcontrol/chapter02.htm)

donnawilliams (http://www.donnawilliams.net/about.0.html)

Moonchild (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonchild_(King_Crimson_song)) (King Crimson song)

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/02%2009%2008%20lollipops/IntheCourtoftheCrimsonKing.jpg

"Moonchild (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/k/king+crimson/moonchild_20078590.html)" is the fourth track from the British progressive rock band King Crimson's debut album, In the Court of the Crimson King.

Lyrics

brown.

From Iron Maidens 7th studio album, 7th son of a 7th son.

Moonchild

(Smith/Dickinson)

Seven deadly sins
Seven ways to win
Seven holy paths to hell
And your trip begins
Seven downward slopes
Seven bloodied hopes
Seven are your burning fires
Seven your desires....

I am he the bornless one
The fallen angel watching you
Babylon, the scarlet whore
I'll infiltrate your gratitude
Don't you dare to save your son
Kill him now and save the young ones
Be the mother of a birth strangled babe
Be the devils own, Lucifer's my name

Moonchild - hear the mandrake scream
Moonchild - open the seventh seal
Moonchild - You'll be mine soon child
Moonchild - take my hand tonight

I count the heads of those unborn
The accursed ones I'll find them all
And if you die by your own hand
As a suicide you shall be damned
And if you try to save your soul
I will torment you - you shall not grow old
With every second and passing breath
You'll be so alone your soul will bleed to death

Moonchild - hear the mandrake scream
Moonchild - open the seventh seal
Moonchild - You'll be mine soon child
Moonchild - take my hand tonight

The twins they are exhausted, seven is this night
Gemini is rising as the red lips kiss to bite
Seven angels seven demons battle for his soul
When Gabriel lies sleeping, this child was born to die
One more dies one more lives
One baby cries one mother grieves
For all the sins you will commit
You'll beg forgiveness and none I'll give
A web of fear shall be your coat
To clothe you in the night
A lucky escape for you young man
But I'll see you damned in endless night

hunkahunka

05-09-2008, 05:39 PM

interview with Walter H. Bowart
July 16, 1995
San Jose, California

Interview participants:
Marilyn Colman: MC
Will Robinson: WR
Walter Bowart: WB

WR: Here on the Lighthouse Report it is our pleasure to have before us a person whom we've interviewed many times on phone, Walter Boward. Walter, how are you doing today?

WB: Well, I'm doing great and it is my pleasure to be here in person with you.

WR: I think the first place to start is regarding the talk that you gave just last night, or I should say, Saturday night when this program is aired....why don't we get to the areas that you said that you didn't get to cover but would like to touch on, on the subject of mind control and manipulation.

WB: Well, of course the new areas of research...it's flooding in all the time and that's...that's been called, what, the "cordless mind control area" if you will, some kind of broadcasting of technology that puts a human voice inside of.. human voice in teams, twenty-four hours a day, inside of a person's mind. Now we want to try to come... we are working on...Freedom of Thought Foundation is building a network and we're working with scientists to try and come up with ways to discern between people that are paranoid-schizophrenics. Because traditionally, if you had a voice inside your head you're diagnosed as paranoid-schizophrenic. And that was it. But we found a lot of these people that are hearing these voices are not paranoid-schizophrenic and function otherwise normally. They just hear these voices.

MC: And I think it's important to realize that not everything continues to be the same truth. Part of the problem we have with today's medical associations is they are not able to look at what's really happening and I think, Walter, it is important that you are one of me...in the vanguard of opening up the new technology.

WB: Yeah, well, this is what we are learning, in our experience, is that the therapist and social workers down in the lowest level have the best handle because they really treat people hands-on. The next level that knows about it are the psychologists and the ones that know the least about all of this mind-control stuff are the psychiatrists. They are twenty years behind time. I mean, the idea of Freudian analysis is still going on and it is pathetic to think that people will pay lots of money-what is it? – hundreds of dollars an hour...

MC: ... and many, many years. About ten years... WB: ...and all talking about your problems does is reinforce your problem.

WR: In other words, what you are saying is they're more like the New York Dental Association.

WB: Yeah-it's like a closed shop and they're twenty years behind the time. They are working with outdated technology and ideas. MC: And that's right, because the New ,Age medicine adopted the work of the shaman and of the occult and of the spiritual side of man and we are now seeing that these two things, both the mechanical aspect of mind and body and the spiritual side, have to come together to heal the whole person.

WB: We have a False Memory "Spindrome" Foundation. I call it "spindrome" because it's not a syndrome what they describe a~ false memories. And the concept of this group is that memories can be implanted in your mind. False memories, untrue things. You will remember untrue things. Now, this is not established very well in law and there is a plus side to this because, in fact, false memories can be implanted. And also, people are inept at hypnosis and various other things so that they will pollute others unintentionally with false memories and things like that. However, the board of this organization is made up of a lot of CIA people, CIA contracts, "spychiatrists", and pedophiles, child molesters, people that are on the side of pedophilia. They are trying to defend pedophilia. And it is a very litigious, very aggresive organization that has struck terror in the hearts of the psychiatric, psychological and therapeutic community.

MC: Now how can we relate this to the two things like the Prince and the McMartin Cases?

WB: The McMartin case, I don't know exactly how it relates but...

MC: Well, if the children, they claim that the children's memories of being molested were implanted by the therapists working with them.

WB: Yeah, that's what they claim, but I don't think that had any bearing on the case and the outcome. I think that the withholding of evidence had more to do, and what evidence was found later that the children said was true of the tunnels and whatnot, that was discovered later, so I think the case fell because of bad...

MC: But you know that the folks that espoused this were using this as ammunition against you.

WR: Yeah, Yeah because the bottom line is you have a verdict turned back that they were acquitted. And they were using that to foster the idea to give the people like the False Memory Spindrome Foundation (FMSF) more ammunition to say "see?"

WB: Yes. Have you talked to Allan Shefland about this?

WR: No we haven't.

WB: He would be a good one to interview because he is a lawyer and he knows the ins and outs and if I have not misunderstood him, all of the decisions that have been made that seem to be in favor of the False Memory Spindrome Foundation will be reversed on appeal because they are all third party lawsuits and there is a good body of law that bars this kind of thing. And this is just a temporary thing.

MC: Because they're claiming, for instance this case where the girl, twenty years later, claims she was abused by her father and then they claim that the psychiatrist put this information into her head and now you are saying that these have a chance of being overturned back the other way.

WB: Yes back. Yeah, on appeal. And what concerns me though are people like Dr. Colin Ross with (Charter Hospital who is a leading psychiatrist who is supposed to understand Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD)) and says he understands the degree that the intelligence community has influenced and created Multiple Personality Disorders and yet he has joined the False Memory Syndrome Foundation and is trying, or at least pretending, to be an apologist to bring unity between this group and another, and it scares me because he also said "I want to make money from this" beforehand. And it's like a turncoat sort of... though his intentions may be to subvert the FMSF he is grossly outnumbered. And I think it is going to hurt his practice in the end. I don't think that the survivors are going to trust this man anymore.

WR: You know, we see something else happening also, an interesting phenomena, if you want to call it....l wouldn't call it a phenomena but....and that is, it seems that the people that are fostering this new form, I guess we could say new form of thought control, are working both sides of the fence. We also have an organization by the name of the Colt Awareness Network that works the other side of the street counter to the False Memory Syndrome but in a manner of speaking they make interesting bedfellows in some of the operatives.

WB: Yes, yes. And both of them...one of the things they have in common however you divide it up to keep it simple.. .both of them are targeting psychologists and therapists. Primarily psychologists 'cause the psychiatrists are god on Mt. Olympus, protected by the AMA and above reproach generally. But the psychologists and therapists, the people who are really doing the work with these people hands-on are vulnerable to this kind of intimidation and litigation and threat. And right now in the summer of 1995 there is a climate of panic in the community. People are running scared. They are afraid to take clients. And of course you are dealing with Multiple Personality Disorder, a lot of which is government induced or manipulated through intelligence. I mean. Ross told me that 20% of his patients, he thinks, are government related. Another prominent psychologist told me that 40% of his patients are the government mind control, MPDs.

MC: Now as I understand this, his kind of breakdown of the personality is done out of trauma-based. And to disassociate means to survive as an entity, as a human. So the people break down into various fragments personality-wise to survive the pain of what they've experienced. Now that happens naturally also and also as we are reading...

WB: Oh, it does happen naturally, yes indeed but it rarely happens naturally to say 20% of the people that experience it because you have to have a certain imagination and a certain intelligence level. All of the multiple personality people are extremely brilliant and very gifted in many ways. and then the MPD...which comes first the chicken or the egg? But then after you've developed this Associative Development Disorder, or MPD? as it used to be called, you develop incredible extrasensory perception and various other gifts, at least that's the way they describe it and experience it. Now people like Ross say it's not demonstrable, I mean you can't repeat it, you can't prove that they have this ESP that they talk about and that remains to he seen. Because, time and time again? interviewing these people, you've heard them talk about the government, the United States clandestine intelligence interest in this, remote viewing and how to locate submarines under water and you know targeting objects at a distance, things like that.

WR: Now using a term or word that was actually invented by you, this is the offspring of the word, why don't we talk about what one would call the "cryptocratic" time line of when this really began and what has and how it's developed and escalated. – love that word. by the way. Marilyn and I are going to adopt that and use it more and more.

WB: Thank you, I think it's a good idea. I mean on behalf of the English language it's a prefix. "Crypto" is in the dictionary, and "ocracy" is in the dictionary, and "cryptocracy" isn't, and all it means is "secret government." But it plays against...cryptocracy plays against democracy. And some of the early stuff, the earliest modern evidence that we have... now Allan Shefland does a neat tape...we made a tape of his presentation and its available through the Freedom of Thought Foundation for $39.95 (can I say that?)

WR: We will give out the information toward the end of this interview and also on the program and how they can get in touch with you.

WB: Super, but he starts out with a slide show of the history of mind control. And it starts out with a picture of a skull with a hole in the middle of the head. And he says "this i9 the first attempt at mind control" and he goes through history with that. So you know, it starts with water torture and various things and they were experimenting with all kinds of shock treatments before electricity was invented. And then when electricity came on they used that and you can see the progress. And he's got vivid slides of the straight jackets, and I'm sure you've seen the reproduction of that thing they put around their head to keep them from biting their tongue off when they shock them.

MC: What's interesting, we might mention here, is that much of this work done over the centuries was done on female subjects. And it's important to note, because females were much easier to restrain, put away, put into institutions. And there was always a lot of cash to be made, because women could not inherit in England or in France until the laws were liberated. One in Napoleon's codus liberated the females so that they could inherit. The point is that women were often used, women and children, and they were not only operated on physically to deform them, but they were also put into institutions and experimented on. They really were the first mind experiment subjects.

WB: Yes, well no longer. Thank God. Things have changed in our society, and there is a great deal of empowerment going on for women and children, at last.

MC: And this is important in this whole discussion because I know, and I can tell you from my own research, that much of the military experimentation... and this is what Mr. Boward has done here... was done on the children of the doctors themselves. They used their own offspring to do these horrible things. Correct?

WB: Yes, as a matter of fact, that's the terrible thing, that children, the way they tortured the children. It's lurid and disgusting; we can talk about it if you want.

WR: I think we need to get back to the time line first.

WB: On the first page of Operation Mind Control, or on the second or third page, it says under a photograph, "Operation Mind Control is largely a male chauvinist game, because women and children were the targets." Eighty percent of the people we're finding now are women.

WR: Now I think we should start with the time line and see how this incorporates itself.

WB: I'm glad someone is keeping us organized. In 1940-41, the earliest thing we found in the modern context, as I was about to say, is a naval officer who had his memory suppressed, because it contained secrets of torture at the hands of the Japanese. Apparently he both did torturing and was tortured. He remembered these terrors and relived them only in the last days of his life in his late eighties after he began to suffer the side effects of a series of strokes, cardiovascular accidents. So this man got out of WWII, had his memories suppressed by mind control, this new science emerging. And lived a happy life and there's a VA history of him and all this. And he married and you know you have every bit of documentation on this man. Until the last days, only recently, he died, and he died in terror. He died screaming. He died from all the suppressed memories, memories that were suppressed by mind control.

WR: It literally came back and killed him.

WB: Well, the cardiovascular accidents or whatever was going on.

WR: Well, that could have been caused by the terror.

WB: Good question, good point.

MC: I'd like to ask you this – in many cases with children that have been abused. When they become adults they claim to have no memory of their childhood. Is that true that there is an age line on this, that it starts to wear off at a certain point and they start to remember?

WB: Well, actually we had here a guy, this guy must have been a grown man before they used whatever they did to suppress his memories. But normally, to create a multiple personality, they start before five years old. They start really young, and by five they've finished. The work is done.

MC: What's the normal memory for a child? What does a normal person remember before they are five?

WB: Oh, I remember being six months old.

MC: You do?

WB: Oh, sure. Yeah, I think a lot of people remember really early, some incidents. You don't remember continuously. But you remember falling off the bed, or you remember that suddenly I'm walking, how did I get to walking?

MC: So is that true that in many cases a person that does not have any memory, let's say before six, could have an incident of this, because people ask this...

WB: Oh, yes, I think one of the signs of abuse and trauma is lack of memory. If they continue to have missing time like if any of you listeners out there have clothes hanging in your closet that are your size but not your style, and they're over on one side of the closet and they change now and then, but you don't ever remember wearing them, it's time to consult somebody.

WR: It's funny, now last night, you know how you're dozing off and you've got the TV on, I just happened to catch a movie that was on HBO that was about a daughter being abused by her father. And the way it came about, it was that she was a teenager, and all of a sudden she started having nightmares, and she was always withdrawn from people, and it was because she never felt she was good enough. She felt guilty, she felt dirty. Now, you've got to remember, this was a drama, but I'm sure it was based on a study of some cases. It turns out that her father had been abusing since she was very small, just sneaking into the bedroom, a little at first, and then getting more agressive with it and to the point that she finally couldn't take it anymore, but she felt more than anything else that it was her fault. And it's sad...

WB: Yes, that's usually it. And also the child often seeks out the abuser. Like if there's a choice to live between Mom and Dad, and one of them is the abuser, the child will often choose the abuser to live with.

hunkahunka

05-09-2008, 06:40 PM

interesting video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8f_-dLYKCY&feature=user

hunkahunka

05-09-2008, 06:53 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOARWX3OjFc

hunkahunka

05-09-2008, 09:56 PM

a short time ago, I would not have believed any of this, now I know that it is all true:
(part 2 is more specific to the subject matter of this thread)
video Part 1
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-3345008237622976440&ei=X3zBSNi4MoOG_AHeidnlCQ&q=ted+gunderson&hl=en
video Part 2
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4446560178588456167&ei=4oXBSPKmIIOG_AHeidnlCQ&q=ted+gunderson
it appears that there is a glitch in the above link to Part 2 (at least in MY browser),
so if you have difficulty viewing the above link , please go to Google Video
and paste in this search term:
The Prophecy Club - Ted Gunderson Chronicles (Part 2 of 2)

A couple of things stand out to me from Part 2, striking me as true:
first, he mentions the underground tunnel network, which I believe
the whole Van Sant/Cobain scene is closely linked to. We always hear of the 'CIA underground'.
How many of us realized that this is a literal term, in reference to things
actually under ground?
Van Sant did a movie called 'Paranoid Park' which references the teen subculture of train
jumping. I believe that Cobain and Buzz Osbourne were involved in this in their teens,
and were also linked to the network of Illuminati rail hotels , including the one where
Frances Farmer once worked, and one in the Rocky Mountains of Alberta (Banff Springs
Hotel) Osbourne has written bizarre songs about trains.

I believe that there may be a secret underground railway through the Rockies that is used
to move drugs/people/body parts/etc. across the border undetected.
One of the oldest Mormon temples in the world is located in a town just south of Calgary, btw,
(Cardston) and the female star of the original King Kong movie, Fay Wray, was a Mormon from this town. There was also a Mormon Garry Blackmore from Cardston who was convicted in the coverup
of a murder of a teen girl, Kiplyn Davis, in Salt Lake City, Utah. (not sure what connection it may have, but just throwing it in, in case it fits with something others might know)

Another thing that strikes me is a pattern I see here re: bodies found cut by trains on railway
tracks:
- the teen boys in the documentary video 'The Mena Connection' were killed and their bodies placed on railway tracks after allegedly witnessing a drug drop
- the boys who allegedly killed James Bulger are said to have posed his dead body on the
tracks to conceal the murder.(the body was badly tortured, so I wonder what really happened
to this boy)
-the Gus Van Sant film 'Paranoid Park' involved a teen jumping trains who accidentally
killed a rail security guard , knocking him unconcious onto train tracks where he was cut in
half by a train: http://www.torrentreactor.net/torrents/1224897/PARANOID.PARK.2007.DVDRip.XviD

-River Phoenix starred in a movie directed by Rob Reiner (another GErman Jewish name)
'Stand By Me', about four kids who journey down Maine railway tracks to view a dead body that someone has found near the tracks.(written by Stephen King) also starred Kiefer Sutherland:
http://www.torrentz.com/bcdfa3086210bf5f26dd0a10b79f9f7d2e0bffe8

-Robert Pickton's Hells Angels biker farm is adjacent to a huge rail yard in Port Coquitlam
-alleged lone Russian serial child killer Andre Chikatilo operated out of rail stations, worked
as a railway inspector, and many of the bodies were found near rail tracks.

cheeb

06-09-2008, 01:09 AM

The Tea Party..

Here Is An Interesting Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8-Q2CVEjNE

The Lead Singer Jeff Martin Is The Spitting Image Of Jim Morrison
The video contains a lot of the imagery we have talked about on this thread
Masks/Torture One Eye Red And Blue

The Video Is Very Reminissent Of Nirvanas Heart Shaped Box

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SK7Ai9dWrRQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_9mJF1U3wRU

With A Similar Sort Of Raw Energy To Nirvana,
And Doors Style Lyrics.....

The Tea Party

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2777/theteapartypostersdb8.jpg
Serprnt And Kabbalistic Tree Of Life...

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7515/sefiroth2bc0.jpg
The Kabbalah Tree And The Crucified Man

As In Heart Shaped Box

The Mad Hatters Tea Party
Alice In Wonderland

Image Removed...

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/3661/ttps03yn9.jpg
One Eye/Fractured Image

The Tea Party
Interzone Mantras
Three Interesting Images I Noticed In This Picture....

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/7226/teapartyinterzonemantrakb5.jpg

Shiva???

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/8121/shiva2hi9.jpg

The quote from the Bhagavad-Gita is:

If the radiance of a thousand suns
Were to burst at once into the sky
That would be like the splendor of the Mighty one...
I am become Death,
The shatterer of Worlds.

Janus

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2706/janussmalltg1.jpg

n Roman mythology, Janus (or Ianus) was the god of gates, doors, doorways, beginnings, and endings
Janus was usually depicted with two heads (not faces) looking in opposite directions, and was frequently used to symbolize change and transitions such as the progression of past to future,

The Process Church Of Final Judgement Symbol In The Background

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5365/degrimstonin5.jpg

De Grimstone Founder Of The Process........

Another Tea Party Album

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9275/theteapartyilluminationpb9.jpg

Illuminatus!!!!!

hunkahunka

06-09-2008, 01:34 AM

don't forget the song 'penny royal tea' by Nirvana

http://dl4.glitter-graphics.net/pub/438/438004irinx1v1cd.jpg

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5253/madhattersmyspacerimpictm6.jpg

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4544/madhatterdolllargesb3.jpg
this image is called 'Gothic Mad Hatter Doll was from a Myspace page called The Rabbit Hole:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=151244989
also on there is this:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/723/madhattersteapartyam2.jpg

hunkahunka

06-09-2008, 02:13 AM

The Tea Party..

Here Is An Interesting Video:
The Lead Singer Jeff Martin Is The Spitting Image Of Jim Morrison
The video contains a lot of the imagery we have talked about on this thread
Masks/Torture One Eye Red And Blue
The Video Is Very Reminissent Of Nirvanas Heart Shaped Box
[

yes, looks like human sacrifice images.
there is one creepy image of a corpse or a burned body with a crow near it

hunkahunka

06-09-2008, 02:20 AM

http://bp1.blogger.com/_tFTMaqlQ5VI/Rpp3nS_AvrI/AAAAAAAAASI/YJjJtj-5c-U/s320/rsz_incredible%2520string%2520band.png

The Incredible String Band - The 5000 Spiritts Or The Layers of the Onion (1967)

01. Chinese White
02. No Sleep Blues
03. Painting Box
04. Mad Hatter's Song, The
05. Little Cloud
06. Eyes Of Fate, The
07. Blues For The Muse
08. Hedgehog's Song, The
09. First Girl I Loved, The
10. You Know What I Could Be
11. My Name Is Death
12. Gently Tender
13. Way Back In The 1960's

hunkahunka

06-09-2008, 01:13 PM

re: old rail hotels and secret railways

http://scottdodd.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/waldorf.jpg

Watch this brief NBC video expose on the the secret railway found under the famous Waldorf Astoria rail hotel in New York city:

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/05/matt_lauer_shows_us_fdrs_secre.html
Matt Lauer Shows Us FDR’s Secret Train

The show is called 'Access Granted', and this episode is called 'The Mystery of Track 61'.
It mentions how hush-hush the NY subway staff are about this, and check out
New York Metro-North railroad spokesman Daniel Brucker peddling the b.s. that this entire thing was built for the vanity of FDR (president Roosevelt) so that he could give one speech and not be embarrassed leaving due to his polio disability.
What a pile of b.s., imo. There is also the small matter of the abandoned 1940's freight car found still there with extra suspension. This was all for FDR's speech too? At a guess, this line is part of the secret network that is reputed to exist, and would likely link all the way to Washington, D.C.
and possibly even the Thousand Islands region. Brucker admits to top secret 'X' railway cars belonging not to New York transit, but to the federal government in operation 'to this very day' .

hunkahunka

06-09-2008, 01:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wJbfSjY1Sk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iItcqK8GcWU&feature=related

hunkahunka

07-09-2008, 02:15 AM

http://www.toriamos-fan.info/wp-content/uploads/ToriAmos_Butterfly.jpg
Tori Amos

check out this interview of Tori Amos, where she virtually declares DID/MPD:

video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oExDHUdk1BA&feature=related

http://991.com/newGallery/Tori-Amos-American-Doll-Pos-397657.jpg
three alter egos, all of them dolls

http://www.cover-vs-original.com/covers/tori-amos.jpg
four alter egos, all of them little girls

http://www.herbleonhard.com/Tori/Butterfly.jpg

http://www.morethings.com/music/tori/pictures/05tourbook1.jpg

http://www.thedent.com/pics2004/sleepslittle.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00076EPR6.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://www.hellomuller.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/cbtcovermuller.jpg
one eye

moonshine

07-09-2008, 06:08 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wJbfSjY1Sk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iItcqK8GcWU&feature=related

Shocking!:(

More news on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJyYEQbDIEo

halebox

07-09-2008, 08:50 AM

I played guitar for this band. At the time I had no idea what they were talking about and all the song titles-artwork meant. I just remembering singer Michael Quercio and drummer Chris laughing alot about all this and just going with it in a joke concept manner and I just went along and didnt really care or question. Michael is very religious as well so who knows. I never asked him but should now that I know alot more about this stuff. Michael was discovered in 88 by Prince and recorded for his label paisley park under the name The 3 o'clock. The Jupiter Affect album is really great I must say. http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/sc00071841.jpg
''Instructions for the two ways of becoming Alice''

13 tracks full of occult/secret society references.
prieure de sion symbol on arm (brotherhood initiate)
not sure bout the symbol on her forehead but it's an MK reference (marked forehead)

ms c

07-09-2008, 12:12 PM

I would like someone to answer this question that came to me while reading this thread?

If Kurt Cobain, biggy etc were `killed by higher forces` why is Bob Dylan still alive???

rixxmixxhell

07-09-2008, 12:59 PM

Maybe Not everyone has all the answers all of the time.

hunkahunka

07-09-2008, 01:05 PM

http://judicial-inc.biz/Grimes.htm

brown velvet

07-09-2008, 08:29 PM

So, here's the story, or not-quite-able-to-make-it-make-sense, story.
I thought posting it might either help someone find out new info, or possibly offer some more much needed insight into this for me.
I know Oranges and Lemons, the British nursery rhyme is used in proging. This led someone to (thank you hunkahunka) post about a film that has this rhyme in it. This is that film. That was my 'lead'. This also mentions Humpty Dumpty a couple of times... Mumsy asks... "why do you suppose Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall Nanny?" "if the Mumsy doesn't know why, the Nanny isn't allowed to know why, is she?" replies the Nanny.

I found the film, and have watched it.
I took many images, for this post, and have made my comments. The whole thing wreaks of MC, however just not quite evil enough.... there is very little 'actual' horror. Very little that I can (at the moment) see how it has been used to cause the serious kinds of trauma's required and yet.... pretty much every single scene portrays much of my own knowledge of what these children have to endure.

Girly kills her brother, Sonny, Toe-knee-chest-nut style, hits him with a mirror, screaming at him something about ice-cream... Do you like ice-cream? Do you like fourpenny ones? Well here's a fourpenny one.... and breaks the 'little drummer boy' statue / toy.

Burial Trauma. One of many ways to re-enact a burial. This one involves placing the child in to the ground as this picture portrays. For days. No water, no food, constant threat, an adults size 10 boot right next to your face.....

Oranges and Lemons. Major trigger. Chop off his head. And in the film, Girly does.

The 'virginal' woman, dressed in 'wedding / christening' white. Sacrificed? in the park, pushed from a slide.

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/07%2009%2008%20mumsy/mumsy001.jpg

Her body placed in to a wooden chest.

A jack-in-the-box set up in the toilet.

Sonny playing with a spinning top.

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/07%2009%2008%20mumsy/mumsy002.jpg

The 'sacrificed' woman, wearing a plackard saying 'rule No 1. play the game'

Sonny breaking down the door, with an axe, aka 'Shining' style.

This shot just concerns me. Angel? She's not a very nice person.

The unamed 'new friend' (prisoner?) Girly and the axe.

Girly finds a 'hand' in the chest.

Girly playing cowboys and indians with her brother, real axe, pretend arrows.

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/07%2009%2008%20mumsy/mumsy003.jpg

A disturbing scene, where 'kiddie billiards':confused: is mentioned. I am sure that will mean something to someone, as my research kind of halted me as the words brought in warnings of potential pornography, probably just using the word 'kiddie' does it, I however couldn't really do much of a search. Does anyone know if this is slang for anything within the pornography world?
She violently pushed Sooty, Donald Duck, and 4 dolls, in to the snooker tables pockets, and then proceeds to hit each toy in the face, I found it hard not to think about the burial trauama, the face exposed to anything. She then says....
"This game's got no name, but if you tell tales, about you and me, you'll finish up in the sand pit, up to your neck it
and when you're struggling, buried in it, and when you're struggling, when you're struggling to get out, but can't. We'll all be taking pot shots.............................. at you, only.......... we won't be using cues"

Nanny with an axe, breaking down the door of 'friend #5'

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/07%2009%2008%20mumsy/mumsy004.jpg

#5 with Girly and an abucus.

#5 trying to escape, the target is drawn by Sonny and Girly in an earlier scene.

#5 shot with a real arrow by Sonny.

Girly destroying her doll, whilst watching the snuff movie with Mumsy, Nanny, Sonny and 'new friend'

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/07%2009%2008%20mumsy/mumsy005.jpg

Mumsy talking to Girly.

Girly killing Nanny, and singing...

naughty nanny, is no good
chop her up for fire wood
when she's dead
boil her head
make it in to ginger bread

Got the feeling of the death of the witch in Wiz of Oz.

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/07%2009%2008%20mumsy/mumsy006.jpg

This film was made in 1968 / 9. Two 'classic' film moments from the Shining and Fatal Attraction are in this film... that seems incredibly odd to me. The inane-ness of this film is startling, yet, every single scene is a traumatic one, in either action, word or rhyme, they all quote silly little ditties, all the time. Adults dressed as children, locked in to acting the age of their clothes, the 'new friend' a middle aged man, also wearing a school uniform, old enough to be Mumsy's husband, portraying a teen old boy with the sexual drive of an adult man, so warped and twisted yet made acceptable via their clothing, and the fact that, as long as they all 'play the game', and no-one breaks the rules, everyone in the 'family' can be happy.

Here are some of the comments, thoughts and observations of a few people writing reviews.

silent hill

silent hill forum (http://silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15002)
OK, so, I know that part of the poem that Travis finds-- "here comes the chopper, etc."-- is taken from an old British children's rhyme. However, the creative minds behind SH tend to be up on their horror, even their generally obscure horror, and so I thought that the context in which the poem is featured could be an allusion to "Mumsy, Nanny, Sonny, and Girly," released stateside simply as "Girly," a 1969 horror/comedy from Freddie Francis, who directed a slew of the old Hammer films, in addition to co-directing "Day of the Triffids" and acting as the cinematographer for "The Innocents." It's the story of a dysfunctional, wealthy British family who lives in an isolated, decaying, Victorian-era mansion (the same house used for "Rocky Horror"). For a reason which is never addressed, the father/husband of the family is absent, leaving only the mother, two children, and their maid. Again, for a reason which is never addressed, the family live their lives acting out an elaborate role-playing fantasy from which they never go "out of character" (we never learn their real names; they're just "Mumsy, Nanny, Sonny, and Girly) and which has no safe word. In this fantasy, they are the perfect family, free from strife, sibling rivalry, and even the divisiveness of growing up and puberty; even though "children" Sonny and Girly are in their twenties, they sleep in giant cribs and dress like British sixth-formers (and share a relationship that, if not for their ostensible asexuality, borders on the incestuous).

As a part of "The Game," the children will occasionally go into town to find "friends"-- after all, no perfect childhood is complete without sleepovers. Their "friends" are male prostitutes and hobos, whom they kidnap/lure to the house through a variety of means. Once there, the "Friends" are held prisoner and forced to participate in the fantasy (coincidentally, tying in with the lack of a father, the friends are always middle-aged men). In one of the film's opening scenes, a new "friend" expresses his disgust with the family and attempts to leave. Sensing his dissension, Girly recites "Oranges and Lemons" up until the end of the poem, then suddenly goes berserk and decapitates the poor sap while maniacally chanting the final two lines, referring to herself as the chopper.

Considering the underlying themes of both stories-- dysfunctional families, undertones of incest, etc-- I have to wonder if, just perhaps, someone saw this movie and decided to use a similar motif for including "Oranges and Lemons."

Your only chances of seeing the movie are either by tracking down a VHS, or purchasing it from one of the many-- *ahem* "independent retailers" who sell "custom" DVD-R versions of it online. The movie has long been out of print, and although Salvation Films bought the rights to it many years ago, their constant promises to release it on DVD in the UK and USA have yet to be fulfilled. One of the crew members of the movie made a stink of it around '06 or so, saying that he'd been trying to work with Redemption/Salvation on their efforts, even offering to put them in contact with the remaining cast/crew members, but that the company only wanted to issue it as a bare bones release, and that he didn't think they had any particular concern for the movie; they just wanted the rights so that no one else could make money on it. It's a damn shame, too, because Freddie Francis just died in late '07; there'd have been more than enough time for him to record a director's commentary, and by those who met him at British horror conventions, he was very cognigent and fan-friendly into his golden years. Now, pretty much all that's left is the writer, Brian Comport; the actresses who played Mumsy and Nanny both passed away, as did the central "friend;" Sonny disappeared off the face of the earth following the film, and Girly married the dude who produces all the Rocky films, and has now insulated herself from any mention of her film career.

I actually discovered it by accident, searching for cheap looking horror movies in the $5 VHS clearance bin at an indy video store back in '04. Happy accident. It's a really great movie that constantly dances back and forth across the line between black comedy and flat out horror. There's no blood, no gore, yet you're constantly aware that there is something SUPER f'ed up going on, from the incestuous undertones between Girly and Sonny, to the quasi-lesbianic relationship between Mumsy and Nanny (the latter sleeps on a tiny couch at the foot of the former's bed), to the fact that Mumsy and Nanny get off together watching 8mm snuff films. The sets, too, are something to behold-- the weirdo mansion, with its incongruously nailed-shut doors, pipe organs, rope ladders to nowhere, and victorian paintings, is both homey and disturbing at the same time. Definitely reccomended viewing for SH fans.

Girly (http://british-films.suite101.com/article.cfm/girly_the_1969_cult_classic): The 1969 Cult Classic

A disarming story of twisted family values and mayhem, Girly (UK, 1969, originally titled Mumsy, Nanny, Sonny and Girly) remains a neglected masterpiece of black comedy. Despite a gripping narrative, a well-balanced cast, and Freddie Francis’ capable directing and unique vision, this off-beat find has yet to reach a wide audience.

According to the Times Online March 22, 2007 obituary for Freddie Francis (1917 – 2007), Girly was one of “the few films with which Francis was completely satisfied.” Indeed, there is much to appreciate here for anyone interested in black comedy, cult classics, or British oddities of the late 60’s.

Unfortunately, Girly barely played in British or American theaters. As star Vanessa Howard lamented in a 1971 interview, the film “disappeared without a trace!” Almost forty years later, copies of Girly are still a rarity. (Old VHS editions can be found circulating online, and a VHS transfer has been made available on DVD by 5 Minutes To Live, an independent outlet known primarily to cult film buffs.)

Plot Synopsis
Brian Comport's screenplay (and novel) is based on the play Happy Family by Maisie Mosco. The story follows Girly (Vanessa Howard) and her brother Sonny (Howard Trevor) as they engage in their usual games, luring stray men home to become “friends.” What seems like innocent fun soon gets more and more depraved as Girly and Sonny have their way with their unwitting victims. Mumsy (Ursula Howells) and Nanny (Pat Heywood) supervise and ultimately become entangled in the proceedings as one of the captives (known only as “New Friend,” convincingly played by Michael Bryant) turns the tables on the perverse family.

Girly frolics through demented psychological terrain explored by few films, and yet never loses its balance. The tone remains perfectly pitched between the innocence of childhood and the tenacity of evil, thanks largely to a stellar performance by Vanessa Howard.

Imogen (http://www.racksandrazors.com/imogen.html) was cast as “the girlfriend” and falls to her death from slide at a playground, Sonny and Girly (Howard Trevor and Vanessa Howard) hide the girl’s body at home and have endless fun dragging her corpse about to play pranks and fool with her boyfriend. Like I said, this flick is very twisted. This is one of those insane little inbred family creep-fests that merits a viewing if you haven’t seen it. And Imogen is absolutely gorgeous --- even as a corpse.

On the morning of November 16th 1980 the twice married Imogene Hassall was found dead when she failed to meet a friend for a planned holiday. She had committed suicide in London by overdose of the barbiturate Tuinal that is in effect a combination of the 2 barbiturates secobarbital and amobarbital. Her memorial is in Wimbleton Cemetery.

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/07%2009%2008%20mumsy/imogen.jpg

britishhorrorfilms (http://www.britishhorrorfilms.co.uk/girly.shtml)
Girly (as it's more commonly known) is an oddity apparently thrown up by mixing together a horror standby (people taken off the street and killed by nutters) with a bit of The Prisoner and a lot of The Avengers (particularly The House That Jack Built).
It starts with Mumsy and Nanny offscreen discussing their "darling loves" as we get our first view of Sonny and Girly - a pair who are far too old for their school uniforms (okay in Girly's case) and in a vaguely incestuous relationship (she takes his thumb and sticks it in her gob in a very suggestive manner).
After a short cameo by Hammer stalwart Michael Ripper as the zookeeper, the pair find a tramp, ply him with booze and take him home for fun and games. The tramp is more interested in nobbing Mumsy than playing "Oranges And Lemons", and that soon proves to be his downfall - Girly taking a bit too literally the line "here comes a chopper to chop off his head".
It's not long before they're on the lookout for a replacement, and find him in the moustachioed Michael Bryant, whose character is only ever known as "New Friend". Unfortunately, he already has a girlfriend (the woefully underused and typically pneumatic Imogen Hassall) - but not for long, as, this being a time before rubberised play areas, a small fall off a slide is enough to "send her to the angels".
Luckily, New Friend's a bit more switched on than the previous "Friends" (particularly the Friend In Five, who just won't learn the rules), and starts playing mind games with his four captors.
Girly's a mixed bag - it's sporadically violent, has echoes of Peeping Tom (Sonny films his killings for Mumsy and Nanny to watch later) and even predates The Shining's "axe through the door" routine (Except it's Nanny's smiling face that pokes through) and Fatal Attraction's "head in the cooking pot" (Nanny, again). It is, however, almost completely ruined by the extremely annoying Sonny.
But Vanessa Howard as Girly makes an excellent pychopath, alternating between childlike simplicity, coquettish burgeoning sexuality and extreme violence ("Tony Chestnut... Toe! Knee! Chest! NUT!"), as do (to a lesser, sweeter extent) Ursula Howells as Mumsy and Pat Heywood as Nanny.
What the film is trying to say I have absolutely no idea, but then again it's hard to concentrate with Girly wearing such short skirts. Oh no, I'm turning into my dad.

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/07%2009%2008%20mumsy/vanessahoward.jpg

brown.

hunkahunka

08-09-2008, 12:07 AM

I found the torrent file for this movie:
(it is also known as 'Girly')

http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/28521469/GIRLY?tab=summary

hunkahunka

08-09-2008, 02:20 AM

I found the film, and have watched it.
I took many images, for this post, and have made my comments. The whole thing wreaks of MC, however just not quite evil enough.... there is very little 'actual' horror. Very little that I can (at the moment) see how it has been used to cause the serious kinds of trauma's required and yet.... pretty much every single scene portrays much of my own knowledge of what these children have to endure.
.

you put an amazing amount of work into these posts
Can you speculate for us on why you think these films are being made?
similarly, why are these rock songs/videos/dolls etc. being made?
Why wouldn't they just keep all this hush-hush? ARe the movies and music being USED in the trauma, in your opinion? What would be the purpose of
using films/music etc. to 'trigger' their mk people? Would that not be too random and unpredictable a thing to do, and how could it be effective it was so random? For example, how is generally broadcasting a song or film going to achieve anything specific involving specific people? ARe the concerts and films themselves being used as places to assemble their 'projects'? For example, lets say there are tens of thousands of teens who have been ritually abused as babies, and are programmed to respond to certain 'triggers' in rock music and rock videos and film trailers etc.
Would these teens be expected to show up en masse at rock concerts, movies, and would these venues be used as a rendez-vous, to invite these kids to drug parties and 'engage them' in the activities of the cult?
I could be grasping at straws here, but I am just trying to figure out what the point of it all is. I can see why they would want to use their own people to make money for them as singers/actors etc. Because they are control freaks. I think a good example of how they might operate is this:
Lets say this cult started out as an intelligence agency alone, using mk slaves as spies and operatives because they needed complete control.
Lets then say the people controlling these agencies became so powerful that they decided to take over the mafia/drug traffic. So they needed even more slaves to staff that. Because to trust anyone with that amount of knowledge and money, they needed people under their complete control. Then lets say this intelligence agency/drug mafia became so powerful, that they decided to take over the music industry and the movie industry. So they needed people (musicians) to go out and peddle CDs and tshirts and concert tickets for them, but to trust anyone with that amount of public fame and influence and earning power, could it be that they just followed standard procedure and decided to use 'slaves' to staff it , the same way they have always done things? So you set up these networks of mk slaves that raise their own kids as 'child stars', destined to be musicians and actors working for the cult.
Talent is not what counts. Complete control is what counts. So you see how music is decaying, how culture in general is decaying. And you've got sa generation of mk 'artists', musicians, authors, film makers etc. who cannot do anything original because they have no talent, authors who can do nothing but plagiarize and/or publish their own dark impulses. So eventually all you can get of this is crap like rap, and punk, and grunge, and slasher films/ mafia films/ porn/ Stephen King / Tarantino. And for sheer survival reasons , of course, the endless REMAKES of the same films, songs, bands , over and over and over again, because the quality of their core production has deteriorated so badly that they have to RECYCLE decades-old creations in everything from films to songs to fashions. Is that really what is going on here? But this still does not answer the questions that I have about why these 'triggers' are all embedded in this.

hunkahunka

08-09-2008, 03:13 AM

Brown , lately I've been wondering about this:

http://www.biglittlebooks.com/images/Little%20Orphan%20Annie%20BBB%20cvr.jpg
Little Orphan Annie with 'Daddy Warbucks' and her dog Sandy

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/Loauncledan.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Orphan_Annie

Little Orphan Annie is a full page (later half page or tab) American comic strip, created by Harold Gray (1894-1968), that first appeared on August 5, 1924. The title, suggested by an editor at the Chicago Tribune Syndicate, was inspired by James Whitcomb Riley's popular 1885 poem "Little Orphant Annie" which begins:

Little Orphant Annie's come to our house to stay,
An' wash the cups an' saucers up, an' brush the crumbs away,
An' shoo the chickens off the porch, an' dust the hearth, an' sweep,
An' make the fire, an' bake the bread, an' earn her board-an'-keep;

It was eight years after Riley's death when Gray created his comic strip Little Orphan Otto (1924), and the Chicago Tribune's Joseph Patterson changed the title to Little Orphan Annie. Three years later, King Features came up with their own waif, Little Annie Rooney.

Harold Gray

In Gray's storyline, Annie was an orphan whose only friends were her doll Emily Marie and later her dog Sandy. Her main physical characteristics are a mop of red, curly hair , a red dress and vacant circles for eyes. Her catch phrases are "Gee whiskers" and "Leapin' lizards!" Annie attributed her lasting youthfulness to the fact that she was born on Leap Day, February 29, and so only aged one year in appearance for every four years that passed.

She escaped from a Dickensian orphanage and made her way in the world by pluck, hard work and a cheery disposition. In 1925, she met Oliver Warbucks, an idealized capitalist who, at that time, resembled Jiggs of Bringing Up Father. Although Annie had been taken on trial by Warbuck's wife, it is he who showed her the most affection, insisting, on their first meeting, that she call him "Daddy".

However, Annie did not get on with Mrs. Warbucks and, feeling that she simply caused misery, ran away from home.[1] (Later, Mrs. Warbucks reformed her spoiled ways, and still later disappeared from the strip, never to be mentioned again.) Annie would be separated from Daddy Warbucks on many occasions, but always returned.

The name "War-bucks" appears to describe how Daddy made his fortune. After Annie (and maybe Sandy) he is the most important character in the strip. He earned his money by hard work and hates snobbery. He is tough but fair and pays his workers well. His servants love him. Warbucks is bald-headed, wears a tuxedo and a diamond stickpin in the middle of his white shirt.

Other major characters, introduced later in the strip, include Warbucks' right-hand men, Punjab, an eight-foot native of India, introduced in 1935, and the Asp, an inscrutably generalized East Asian, who first appeared in 1937.

There was also the mysterious Mister Am, a friend of Warbuck's who wore a Santa Claus-like beard and was of a jovial personality. He claimed to have lived for millions of years and even had supernatural powers. Some strips hinted that he may even be God.

At first, the comic was humorous, aimed at children. Through the 1920s, the stories became more adventurous. By 1931, the strip was being read by many adults, and became more political. Story lines included one where Daddy Warbucks lost all his money, then lost his eyesight, then was thrown into prison. Annie had to fare for herself in a cold, cruel world.

Warbucks was able to bounce back, but subsequent stories would devise various ways to separate Annie from Daddy, leaving her to fend for herself. Then Annie would hit the road, until Daddy showed up again. Often she was taken in by a poor but honest family.

Controversy

By the 1930s, the strip had taken on a more adult and adventurous feel with Annie coming across killers, gangsters, spies and saboteurs.

hunkahunka

08-09-2008, 04:06 AM

check out this clip of Krist Novoselic deeply mouth kissing both David Grohl and Kurt Cobain. I had always heard this was some big joke, but this is the first time
I've actually seen it. This happened at the end of their first big break through on Saturday Night Live, undoubtedly an incredibly emotional moment for them all. As if they would 'joke' or posture at such an emotional time for them.
Don't forget, they went from the literal gutters of Aberdeen/Seattle to
rock icon millionaires in a matter of what must have seemed like weeks to them. What would sear that realization more finally/certainly into their minds than finishing a live appearance on Saturday Night Live in New York City, and hearing those famous closing saxophones?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmChF_OfAjc&feature=related

You see Cobain start to go into a narcoleptic collapse right afterward, btw.

emerald

08-09-2008, 03:49 PM

Nice outfit:D

http://omg.yahoo.com/photos/what-were-they-thinking/2256#id=9

ms c

08-09-2008, 03:56 PM

Maybe Not everyone has all the answers all of the time.

Why not???:confused:

hunkahunka

08-09-2008, 04:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-xxmC9Tjc8&feature=related
in the above video, even Courtney Love's attorney thinks he wasn't suicidal and that the suicide note
was forged.

soulja

08-09-2008, 04:44 PM

Presentation at the Believe the Children Conference

Claudia Mullen:

Hello and thank you for coming this afternoon. You will pardon me if I am a little bit nervous, but ... I see some friendly faces out there so that makes it better. Let's see if I can figure out how to turn this on. Can you all read that? It says, "It is 1953. How much is a child's mind worth?" If you picture this with me - this little girl - she is not quite three years old. She has been adopted when she was two and a half years old. She's been in an orphanage til then, from the time she was born. They called them infant asylums back then. She was adopted this prominent, wealthy family in New Orleans and she has been preparing for this picture for about three weeks now, and the way she prepared is ... her "Monster Mom" (that's what she calls the Mommy who adopted her) ... Monster Mom has been letting her go outside every day and play in the sandbox completely naked, so she gets "brown as a berry" all over and her towhead gets even blonder. She is not really sure why this is important, but she is going to get her picture taken. So the day has come. Monster Mom puts on her little sundress and her tennis shoes and the charm bracelet her godmother gave her and she goes outside in the backyard and there is a strange man out there in the backyard, with a camera.

The little girl is very, very nervous (just like me) because, see, everything in her life has to be completely controlled. Everything has to be according to how her mother wants it to be, otherwise there are serious repercussions. She gets hurt real bad. Plus Monster Mom likes to do yucky things to her that she doesn't really understand but it's all part of life. Actually by the time she was about twenty months old she lived in the orphanage asylum - she started to have imaginary friends. They talked to her, comforted her and now she has a few more imaginary friends who sometimes come out when Mommy does these yucky things, or she gets punished for spilling her milk or not washing her hands. Mommy says "now you be a good girl, and don't make Mommy mad because you know what will happen. You will go back to the orphan asylum."

She has always been told that's what will happen if she's bad. Mommy can always hold that over her head, and she does until she's a teenager and her Mommy dies.

Anyhow, she gets ready for the picture and already she's completely controlled, and she stands there, ready to smile because Mommy says "smile for the man" and she tips her head like she always does and she smiles, and all of a sudden the little strap on her sundress falls down and she doesn't know what she's going to do because this means Monster Mom is going to get really really mad because she didn't want this happening. Instead, something really strange happens. Mommy comes up and looks at her, and says "perfect", and pulls the strap down a little bit more. Just like that she says, "okay take a picture. Smile." And she smiles. The reason Mommy wanted to take a picture was to send it to all her society friends that she wants to be in with, because she is what you might call a social climber. The little girl doesn't realize, until years later, what Mommy was really doing. She was advertising her daughter that she had adopted. This wonderful thing that she had done for this little girl, and she was basically, I guess you could say auctioning her, advertising her. Pretty soon after the picture had gone out, the little girl started having to spend the night at people's houses - people that were real rich and lived on St. Charles Avenue and belonged to all the best carnival crews, came to parties at their house. But they didn't have any children. Still the little girl had to spend the night at their houses and let the daddy over there do what he wanted, and she couldn't complain because you had to do what grownups told you. That's just the way life was. There wasn't any such thing as "no" or "I don't want to" or "ooh that's yucky ... that makes me feel bad". So this is what life is pretty much like. Monster Mom finally gets what she really wants and that's to be good friends with the "most prominent society man" in the city of New Orleans because he just happens to be Captain of the most exclusive carnival crew, "Rex". If anybody has been in Mardi Gras, you know what Rex is. Monster Mom has now become good friends with Mr. Fenner who is this rich society man and the little girl is starting to spend a lot of time with Mr. Fenner and some of his friends, and pretty soon she starts going to the camp that Mr. Fenner runs all year long across the lake in Covington, Louisiana and it's at one of his summer homes, and there are other little boys and girls there and they do strange things and men come over and they have parties at night and they pass around the little girls and boys just like they were appetisers at a party. Except for the very first Christmas when she was adopted and when she was eleven years old, she doesn't ever spend Christmas at home again, or her birthday. Both times she is always over at the camp. Easter, Hallowe'en and right up to before school starts in August. Nobody ever asks, "why isn't she ever home for Christmas? Where is she?" Her big sister who is five years older than her, and is not adopted, and doesn't have to go to camp, never dares to ask "why isn't my little sister home for Christmas? Why didn't she get any Christmas presents?" Because she has to be at camp, but nobody asks, not even her adopted daddy. Now she has lots of daddies and uncles. Now the little girl is really being controlled, her mind, her body because basically the way her life is, she does what the grownups tell her and she's a good girl and it doesn't hurt too much. It might hurt a little, or it might hurt a lot at times, but then it's over with, and that's the way life is until she's in second grade. She goes to this exclusive all girls Catholic school which she was very lucky to get into. Before that she went to pre-school at Tulane University which just happens to be one of the most prestigious universities in the South and where Mr. Fenner, Mommy's society friend, is Chairman of the Board and he is also very good friends with Dr. Robert Heath, who is the head of the Neuropsychiatric Department at Tulane and who happens to be good friends with people who work for the government, with the President and for something called the CIA. She has no idea what that means.

By the time she is in second grade, she is told she is being tested, her personality, her memory. She is told she has a very good memory - they didn't even know how good her memory was because actually one of her little imaginary friends had a camera in her hair and she took pictures and she recorded everything that everybody that she had to be with, everybody that she had to be nice to, everybody that tested her. Anyhow, she is told she is being tested to see if she can go away to this camp, and she goes "oh no, camp" but this sounds like a really nice camp because it is all the way in the mountains, and it is far away from home, away from Monster Mom, away from Mr. Fenner's camp, and she might be going there if she passed her tests. Some of the tests are ... well there are doctors who come from all over the country to test her. They do some pretty horrible things to her and they want to test her for pain, and like I said, memory, personality and also to see who she gets along with the best. It turns out she gets along with older men, "daddies" or "uncles". That's who she responded to the best. So she's told, :well you've been accepted to this camp".

She goes away the next summer for three weeks, in August, to a place called Deep Creek Lodge in Maryland. She takes the train with a bunch of strangers that she doesn't know and there are other children on the train but she happens to be the youngest one so they want her to sleep in the club cars where they stayed up all night drinking and talking about something called "projects" and doctors and "deputy directors" and people like that. She's supposed to be asleep but really the little girl inside of her with the camera in her head is taking down everything that she hears. So she gets to this camp. It really is the nicest three weeks of her entire life so far because nobody really hurts her there, she doesn't get any shots except for antibiotic she is told so she doesn't get any infection. She doesn't get any electricity in her head, nothing that bruises her and the best part is she got to pick a daddy to be with during the three weeks and the daddy was going to teach her something very important and this was for her country and she was doing the President of the United States a big favour and helping to stop Communism. That's what this is all about and she feels special, very important. And so she does her best. She gets to pick this man ... they match them together. There are other children there ... there's girls even younger than her ... boys, can't forget the boys ... teenagers and a few young women, but mostly children ... and they all get paired up with an adult and spend the three weeks training.

What training means is that every day, Uncle Otto (that's what this man calls himself) he's a doctor, he's from Kansas ... other than that she doesn't know anything about him except that he is very nice to her. She is going to ask if she can go home with him afterwards. They let her pick a name because, see when she goes to Tulane to get all these tests and treatment – oh yeah, she was told she behaved badly at home because she wet her bed and she used to cry a lot and sometimes she touched herself where she wasn't supposed to. She did these "abnormal" things so her mother had brought her to Tulane - that's how they got her into Tulane, was to say she had childhood schizophrenia and aberrant behavior, whatever that means. Anyhow - she spent three weeks and basically they went swimming, no clothes, they didn't wear clothes hardly at all. She ate every meal with this man, slept every night with him, and during the day he taught her basically what he said was, "how to please daddies". It was kind of yucky and she didn't really like it, but at least it didn't hurt, it didn't make her bleed, so that made her happy. The only bad part was that at the end of the three weeks, she had passed, they told her she did a very good job - oh - and every evening they would watch these movies - the little girl doesn't like to see herself in movies because she never has any clothes on, always has these daddies or uncles who are doing things to her in the movies. Sometimes there were other children - boys, girls, animals, you name it. Every evening Uncle Otto and little Ava (she named herself after Ava Gardner because she loved movie stars) they would watch these movies and see how well she did. And what she was supposed to do, besides pleasing the daddies was she was told she had to do something called coercing which meant make them talk about themselves. Make them tell you about their fancy homes, how many children they have, how much money their wives spent shopping, and sure enough these different daddies would come in from out of town when she wasn't with Uncle Otto and they would talk about themselves, and some of them even said "you're about the same age as my little girl". Years later when the little girl would start to remember she would be very sad because she would think "well, those little girls at home, they were probably glad that daddy was away". Anyhow, she finishes her three weeks, and they throw a party to celebrate that the "project" was a success. It was called "Sensitive Research" and it came under something called an MKULTRA. On the last night a lot of people flew in from out of town on little itty bitty planes, very rich men, people that worked with the President of the United States, people in uniforms, and they all got drunk, and once again, the little girl got passed around like she was an hors d'oeuvre. It was a terrible night and it lasted forever and at the end of it she should have been in the hospital, but she wasn't. She was on the train back to New Orleans and she was pretty well - she should have been in intensive care actually - they sent her home and she had to go to Tulane Hospital and she stayed there while she recovered and then it was over and she never went back to that camp. Because she learned what she was supposed to learn and this was what she was supposed to do. This was going to be her job to help her country.

The funny thing was though, this went on for years and when she got home from her "treatments" at Tulane and sometimes treatments meant she took trips to places where there were airplanes and military people in uniforms, had wings on their jackets. When she came home, she couldn't remember what happened at the hospital. She knew she went somewhere because she had this thing called schizophrenia which you don't talk about because you don't want anyone to know "my child sees a psychiatrist" - that would be horrible. That was another big secret she had to keep. She had a lot of secrets she had to keep. She doesn't really like doing that, but it's part of life. Doesn't every little girl keep secrets? Doesn't every little girl have to please daddies and uncles? Doesn't every little girl have monsters in her life? She thought so. She also thought everybody had imaginary friends inside of them that had different names, and looked different, even had different hair than her, some were bigger, some were littler than her. She thought everybody had these things, she didn't know any different. The strange thing was though she never remembered, she could never remember and that's because they would put what they said was electricity in her head and that hurt. It would always give her bad headaches and when she got home her mother would give her this liquid medicine they had given her to make her sleepy. So that's how they made her forget. Supposedly she was supposed to forget forever, but she was told that since doctors were next to god, she was always supposed to go back to the doctors if she started having headaches or nightmares, and sometimes she would have horrible nightmares. She would walk in her sleep. Monster Mom would call the doctors and say "she's doing something again, I can't control her". She stays in a crib until she is eight years old to try and keep her from wandering around the house at night and she is still wetting the bed, uses a bottle sometimes when her Mom wants to make her feel ashamed of herself. When she goes to school she has to wear little boys undershirts and these things called leggings that look like pantyhose, flesh colored, they hid the bruises and the marks. The kids just knew that she wore these funny clothes and they made fun of her. That was part of life too. Being the odd one. Being different than other kids. At least she was special. That's what the doctors and soldiers always told her.

Life pretty much goes on only the older she gets, the worse it gets and the harder it is to please the daddies. By the time she is 13, her adopted daddy who never did anything to stop it, and she is pretty sure didn't really know what was going on but never really asked, and he was scared to death of his own wife - he dies, and she feels very bad about that and they tell her it was her fault that he died. It was just another way to control her. I forgot to tell you about the visit before she went away to camp - in the mountains - the man, Mr. Fenner, the Chairman of the Board at Tulane - who she used to call "The Magister" when she went across the lake to his camp - she couldn't call him Mr. Fenner. They all wore masks and costumes and they didn't know who each other was supposedly, and the children weren't supposed to know who they were. They wore Mardis Gras costumes and that wasn't strange because, hey everybody knows about Mardis Gras it just didn't seem to be Mardis Gras time. He had paid a visit to Monster Mom one day and right in front of the little girl he says words like, "we need to toughen her up - pain - water - punishment - locking her in a closet - dark - need to toughen her up". That's all she can remember. After that Monster Mom got really bad and punished her. Life is pretty bad, but then again she didn't have to really go through all of this because she had imaginary friends to help her and she got to go away - that's what she called it, "going away" and hiding in her safe place.

By the time she was sixteen, Monster Mom dies, finally. Everybody goes "oh poor thing, losing your mother when you are only 16" and she's so happy inside but she has to look sad and cry. And it doesn't mean she still doesn't have to go for treatments or go to the hotel rooms that these people who work for the government and for the president. These keep these two rooms at these fancy hotels in New Orleans and she had been trained when she was 9 years old to please these daddies ... so she would go in the hotel room and spend the night or a couple of hours with them ... and she was even showed by Captain White, who wore a gun and came from California ... she was shown how they had two bathrooms in the room. One bathroom was hidden and there was a camera behind the mirror and it always opposite was across from the bed. And the room didn't look any different than any other room except it was a fancy room and some people from out of town and politicians - just about anybody you could think of - she would have to stay with them and she had to do a good job, and she had to get them to talk about themselves, and she had to make sure that they looked in the mirror. "The Martini Man" - that's what she called the man who took the pictures -

This goes on until she graduates from high school and when she goes to pick her college, she tries to get as far away from New Orleans as she can. She doesn't even know why, she just knows I've got to get out of here, and she goes to college, and it got better, and she only had to see the doctors and the daddies now and then, it wasn't as often. Her Monster Mom wasn't there so a lot of times she would just run away and hide - take the car and go some place and go to a friend's place or something and hide out - but she still had to go back and mainly do her job, being in the movies with the men, and getting them to talk about themselves, because it was "ammunition" to use against them if they ran out of money. All she knew was Tulane needed a lot of money and this was how they kept the money coming in. They had these films that went to somebody in Virginia and they kept them and if the people wouldn't give any more money for the "projects" then I guess they would tell them, well we have this film.

Imagine this little girl 40 years later, walking into this exclusive hotel called The Madison, in Washington, D.C. only she's all grown up now only she doesn't have any children, they made sure she couldn't have kids so they wouldn't have to bother with her getting pregnant. She walks in and she is just one of the crowd, one of the audience, but she feels like scared, nervous, like I am. She goes in but when she leaves the room, her life is never the same again, because she has been asked to give testimony in front of a presidential committee on radiation.

continues here
http://www.smilenow.de/text/cmullen.htm

hunkahunka

08-09-2008, 04:51 PM

this one mentions that Courtney Love was the daughter of the manager
of the band that became the Grateful Dead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuQdKjDRB7s&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JTAD0ZeKmQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn4bmg17vwg&feature=related

http://www.oldhandbills.com/images/060915-Albert/Grateful_Dead-Steal_Your_Face-Card.jpgblue/red , electricity applied to head, skull

http://photo.sing365.com/music/picture.nsf/Grateful-Dead-Skeletons-From-the-Closet-Cover/48256C71003578A24825696100122D14/$file/Skeletons.jpg
rose
http://www.vinylzart.com/images/AlbumCovers-GratefulDead-AmericaBeauty(1970).jpg
rose
http://www.univie.ac.at/Anglistik/easyrider/data/graphics/GratefulDeadShakedownStreet.gif
hookers, bikers, drugs

http://political-analysis.org/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/dead-album.jpg.w560h559.jpg
skulln'Bones, mushrooms, wings

http://i6.tinypic.com/73bt4e1.jpg
Golden Gate Bridge, most famous 'suicide' site in America
notice Uncle Sam as the reaper

http://www.carlaz.com/reviews/images/cover_gdead-europe72.jpg
Grateful Dead album: 'Europe '72': rainbow, cross in circel

http://rockpopgallery.com/images/stanmouse/ledpsmgdi1s.jpg
Grateful Dead "Ice Cream Kid"
rainbow, icecream, checkerboard

hunkahunka

08-09-2008, 05:55 PM

More grateful dead album covers:

http://home.frognet.net/~scott/WorkingDead.jpg
male prostitution?

http://www.hippieshop.com/mas_assets/thumb/29346.jpg

http://i14.ebayimg.com/01/i/04/fd/f8/fd_1_sbl.JPG

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l69/mimi772006/gratefuldeadbackill.jpg

rixxmixxhell

08-09-2008, 06:37 PM

Why not???:confused:

What a stupid response. Seriously...''why not'''. ?????

Do you think all can have all of the answers all of the time????? Are you joking with me, cause i fail to see the connection from such a un-wise and childish response with someone on these forums???

Do you 'know' anything, or do you 'think' you know something???

Bod Dylan still alive, YOU tell US. Ill be waiting. Maybe i do know, maybe i can't be bothered.

Sincerely

Rick

brown velvet

08-09-2008, 07:21 PM

http://www.carlaz.com/reviews/images/cover_gdead-europe72.jpg
Grateful Dead album: 'Europe '72': rainbow, cross in circel

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/08%2009%2008%20grteul%20dead/AlumniLogo.jpg

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/08%2009%2008%20grteul%20dead/gratefuldead001.jpg

brown.

gman

08-09-2008, 08:44 PM

http://www.ericjoyner.com/tinrobots/2007_The%20Last%20Temptation%20of%20Sparky_Show_.j pg

I saw this cool art of old tin robots...but couldn't figure out the link to donuts. Robots & Donuts. (http://www.ericjoyner.com/)

Then I read page 73 of this thread, from a post by Soulja.

Anybody care to expand upon ILLuminati 'washing line' programming?

Children were hung up on washing lines upside down until their knees dislocated to make them disassociated and then anally raped 'out of their minds'. The first step in the process to send the 'I' out of a child's head in order to create a 'robot'.

Anal rape sends the spinal cord and brain berserk. Easy to make an adult or child disassociate in this way.

doughnuts = arseholes (and as far as the Templars are concerned - children's arseholes are preferable.)

ms c

08-09-2008, 09:33 PM

What a stupid response. Seriously...''why not'''. ?????

Do you think all can have all of the answers all of the time????? Are you joking with me, cause i fail to see the connection from such a un-wise and childish response with someone on these forums???

Do you 'know' anything, or do you 'think' you know something???

Bod Dylan still alive, YOU tell US. Ill be waiting. Maybe i do know, maybe i can't be bothered.

Sincerely

Rick

I suggest you step back from your PC and have a time out. There is no need for such a aggresive reply, I asked a question, and got a personal attack instead!!

krakhead

08-09-2008, 09:37 PM

More grateful dead album covers:

http://home.frognet.net/~scott/WorkingDead.jpg
male prostitution?

I can't even to begin to express the mixture of horror and hilarity that makes me feel! :D

hunkahunka

08-09-2008, 09:37 PM

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXhnt9RkgvI

spirals, checkerboard floor, flashing lights, symbol projections:

hunkahunka

08-09-2008, 10:49 PM

I think this image is from the Grateful Dead album, 'Workingman's Dead' (though it could easily be something from the walls of the Denver Airport) :

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2316/2473970131_4831b64586_b.jpg

it got me thinking of the similarity between this:

http://www.cardsbytom.com/Rose_-_Purple.jpg
http://www.cardsbytom.com/Spiral_Pink_Rose.jpg

and this:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n250/theacidinjection/spiral.gif

http://bp0.blogger.com/_CB-RzWCU1N0/RthJrbmtC6I/AAAAAAAAAQo/Nwd5_WL81oU/s400/spiral.gif

could the rose be a symbol of the spiral?

brown velvet

09-09-2008, 12:17 AM

you put an amazing amount of work into these posts
Can you speculate for us on why you think these films are being made?
similarly, why are these rock songs/videos/dolls etc. being made?

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/08%2009%2008%20pst/001.jpg
http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/08%2009%2008%20pst/002.jpg
http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/08%2009%2008%20pst/003.jpg
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXsKWi9FIjY&feature=related
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brown.

brown velvet

09-09-2008, 03:48 AM

electricity applied to head, skull

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/08%2009%2008%20grteul%20dead/grflded.jpg

Fire Torture
Fire/burning torture is used in the Porcelain Face (http://educate-yourself.org/mc/illumformula2chap.shtml) programming. The charismatic branch of the satanic Network (such as the Assembly of God churches) uses Porcelain Face programming. This is done by using wax masks upon the victim, and giving them fire torture. The person actually thinks that their face has melted. At that point, the programmer pretends to be a god & a hero, and tells the person he will give them a new face, a porcelain mask (these new faces by the way, look like the ones sold in so many stores). The memories of abuse are then hypnotically hid behind the masks. To take off the masks is to abreact & burn again. If anyone touches the faces of alters with Porcelain Gace programming, the alters will feel a burning sensation because their masks are not to be tampered with. This means that these alters have via torture & hypnosis, lost their own faces! This is part of the dehumanization process. As long as these alters stay in denial of what has happened to them, they do not have to face the burn- torture memories. Some alters are tortured in a fashion that the eye area is traumatized and they squint the left eye. It look sthe way Baron Guy de Rothschild of France’s left eye looks. Guy de Rothschild is a major handler/programmer, but the reason for his drooping left eye is not known. Perhaps it was torture. The ritual aspect of trauma needs to be covered.

PORCELAIN FACE PROGRAMMING (http://educate-yourself.org/mc/illumformula10chap.shtml)
The Porcelain Face Programming was already touched on earlier, when the fire tortures and Gatekeeper alters were discussed. Fire torture and melted wax is used to make the child victim believe their face has been burned. Then the programmer generously gives the traumatized alters a porcelain mask. The alter getting the Porcelain face may be given a “gem” hypnotically like Jade and that becomes their secret name. There are several different methods that are available to lay in the porcelain face programming. There has been a great deal of porcelain casts made of people’s faces and then masks made of them. In fact, when a handler dies, at least in one case the replacement handler wore a mask to look like the previous handler. Human baby skin is used to construct a mask from the victim’s facial cast. A mask is worn by the Illuminati victim when they are married to the AntiChrist. The Porcelain Masks are often part of the Camelot & Shakespeare programming. Another use of porcelain masks which was only experimented with was to place masks on Pawn alters which were used as alters who would guard things by scaring other alters with their fearful porcelain countenances. This programming has spiritual ramifications, because it is one of the programming methods to steal alters of their faces. The alters who receive porcelain face programming will only see a porcelain face in the mirror until the programming is taken down. As long as the computer on their level is operating, the programming to that alter will be intact.

brown.

emerald

09-09-2008, 12:28 PM

MYSTERY ALL OVER THE PLACE...

Former UFC champ Tanner dead at 37

ormer Ultimate Fighting Championship middleweight champion Evan Tanner was found dead near Palo Verde, Calif. on Monday. He was 37.

Tanner had trekked into the desert on a journey to “cleanse” himself, according to Douglas Vincitorio of Tanner’s management team. “He went out to the desert to do a ‘cleansing’ as he called it. Kind of like ‘Survivorman.’” These short trips were not new to Tanner, said Vincitorio. It is something that he has done numerous times over the years.

“What we were told is that (Sheriff’s officials who found Tanner) believe his motorcycle had run out of gas, so he went to walk out in like 115- to 118-degree heat,” Vincitorio said. “He was miles away from his camp. That’s where the helicopter found him. Right now, they just think that he succumbed to the heat.” Tanner had apparently told friends before he left that if they hadn’t heard from him in a couple of days, they should contact officials, which is what happened. When he stopped responding to text messages, friends waited a couple of days and then notified officials at the Imperial County Sherrif’s Department on Friday.

A search ensued and Tanner’s body was found Monday.

On Aug. 10, Tanner wrote a blog on Spike TV’s website, proclaiming his desire to start an adventure in the desert east of his new home in Oceanside, Calif. An avid outdoorsman and wandering spirit, he wanted to escape civilization for a while.

“I’m not just going out into the desert, I’m going out into the desert to hunt for lost treasure,” he wrote. “I’m going on a pilgrimage of sorts, a journey to solitude, to do some thinking, and to pay my respects to the great mysteries.”

On Aug. 16, Tanner wrote about collecting supplies for his journey, and wrote about the dangers he might face.

“I plan on going so deep into the desert, that any failure of my equipment, could cost me my life,” he said. “I’ve been doing a great deal of research and study. I want to know all I can about where I’m going, and I want to make sure I have the best equipment.”

Of course, this led followers of his blog to fear for his safety, as they often did when Tanner reported his frequent by-the-seat-of-his-pants adventures. In a blog dated Aug. 27, Tanner tried to calm his audience.

“This isn’t a version of ‘Into the Wild,’” he wrote. “I’m not going out into the desert with a pair of shorts and a bowie knife, to try to live off the land. I’m going fully geared up, and I’m planning on having some fun.”

But he also affirmed that things could go wrong if his equipment wasn’t up to snuff.

“I do plan on going back pretty far, so I did mention in one of my posts that I wanted to make sure to have good quality gear,” he said. “Any failure of gear out in the desert could cause a problem.”

On Sept. 2, Tanner wrote his final blog entry, documenting a training session at a facility in Oceanside.

The Amarillo, Texas native was a high school wrestling stand out who won the state championships his junior and senior years despite only getting into the sport as a sophomore. He entered mixed martial arts in 1997 encouraged by friends.

Tanner rose to the top of the mixed martial arts world by winning the UFC middleweight title over David Terrell at UFC 51: “Super Saturday” Feb. 5, 2005. He lost the title later in the year to Rich Franklin. Tanner, who had a career MMA record of 32-8 last competed in the UFC on June 21 losing to Kendall Grove by split decision.

“He will obviously be sorely missed,” said Vincitorio. Adding, “I think that Evan would want to be remembered as a very complex man with many layers, not just a fighter.”

Tanner was surely a unique personality. He’s eclectic spirit and competitive nature will be sorely missed in the MMA community.

soulja

09-09-2008, 03:54 PM

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giant smiley/sun + Butterfly wings

The Social Butterfly outperforms the Kilabot ng mga Kolehiyala and the Statuesque Beauty. Society figure and newspaper columnist Tessa Prieto-Valdes was always at the “bottom two” list of Celebrity Duets but she bested fellow contestants Dr. Hayden Kho Jr. and Jessica Rodriguez-Bunevacz in the grand finals of the GMA-7 reality singing competition held tonight, October 20.

The three finalists had two rounds of performances. For her first song, Tessa performed with Joey G. of Side A band for the song “Shining Through” and she even had some difficulty removing her black cape to reveal her bright pink gown underneath. For her final song, a noticeably hoarse Tessa went all out in singing joyfully with Kyla for the song “I’m Walking on Sunshine.” Her backdrop consisted of a bright yellow sun bearing exceptionally long eyelashes, just like the Social Butterfly herself.

soulja

09-09-2008, 03:57 PM

http://www.graycatstudio.ca/images/bca_logo_lg.gif

the i dots/stars are reversed pentagrams

soulja

09-09-2008, 04:35 PM

BURTON MORRIS ART OPENING
http://www.beverlyhillspeople.com/images/images_entertainment/Ruby_Slippers.jpg
obvious trigger, click your ruby slippers, follow the yellow brick road to emerald city (green background)

I always dread art openings because what passes for art nowadays is often offensive. Let’s not get me started on that topic. But Burton Morris’ works had been featured on “Friends,” and the popcorn box on the invitation to his showing at Mark’s Restaurant was so inviting that I decided to chance this one.

And I’m positively THRILLED that I did! This is the most fun art I’ve seen for a long time. Each pop art painting was better than the other. (They were so good, that I even looked okay next to them!) There’s one of the Ruby Slippers that had me entranced. I forgot to even eat for a long time (and I loved the food) because I couldn’t take my eyes off it.

At one point, I was listening to Burton explain his technique to another artist in attendance. At the end of it, I blurted out, “This is the first time I’ve ever said this to anyone, but I wish you were my brother.” He understood how unique a compliment that was, rendering him even more lovely in my eyes.

The only person there who might have been as proud as the artist and his adorable girlfriend, Sarah, was the fabulous theater producer/marketer/PR guru, David Elzer. He owns several of Burton’s originals, including one entitled Poparazzi that was featured in the 2004 Academy Award campaign. How impressive is that?! So, maybe I should include David on my Fantasy Family Team, too.

Burton Morris Exhibit at Mark’s Restaurant through Oct.8
861 N. La Cienega Blvd. 310-652-5252
www.burtonmorris.com

first piece on burton morris's site ? a spiral

the guy seems well connected btw, have a look at what sort of companies/foundations/etc.. he works with.

SPECIAL PROJECTS

2008
Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation - Paint with kids & donation of art, Pittsburgh, PA
Ransom Middle School - Invited guest speaker to school, Miami Florida
Carnegie Mellon University - invited guest lecturer, Pittsburgh, PA
Duquesne Club – Invited Guest Lecturer, Pittsburgh, PA

2007
Emeril Lagasse Foundation – “Carnivale Du Vin” – featured Artist of event, New Orleans, LA
Swire Corporation – “Festival Walk” – Selected Exhibition, Kowloon, Hong Kong
Medrad Corporation – Global Center Art collection, Pittsburgh, PA
Heinz Corporation – H.J. Heinz Corporation Media Center Art collection, Pittsburgh, PA
Int’l Olympic Museum – J.L. Foucqueteau collection, Lausanne, Switzerland

2006
Woodbury Museum Of Art, selected Group Pop Art Exhibition, Orem, Utah
CentrePasquArt Museum, Selected Group Exhibition, Bien, Switzerland
2006 Major League Baseball All Star Game -PNC Park - official Artist, Pittsburgh, PA
APLA - Event Artist for charity - Los Angeles, Ca
United Service Organization - Kobold Watch Corporation, New York, NY

2005
Andre Agassi Foundation, 10th Anniversary Grand Slam Benefit, Las Vegas, NV
PNC Ballpark, Major League Baseball All-Star Game Unveiling of logo, Pittsburgh, PA
NBC television show "The Apprentice", featured Artist, New York, NY
Esquire Magazine / APLA Oscars Party Artwork, Hollywood, CA
Life Through Art Foundation, "Red Party" - Beverly Hills, CA
CARE Organization, art collaboration with artist Romero Britto, Miami, FL
2005 Senior Olympics, featured Artwork for event, Pittsburgh, PA
HELP Group, Children's Charity, Los Angeles, CA
Carnegie Mellon University, featured Keynote Guest Speaker, Pittsburgh, PA

2004
76th Academy Awards Artist, Oscars, Hollywood, CA
United States Olympic Committee / 2004 Olympic Artist, USA
38th Montreux Jazz Festival, Selected as Artist for concert, Montreux, Switzerland
Cadbury Adams Classic Gums, New York, NY
Heinz Corporation, Art Calendar Promotion, Pasadena, California
Center For Creative Play, Children's Charity, Pittsburgh, PA
The Christina Show, Guest Appearance, Miami, Florida
Carnegie Mellon University, Robotics Institute, Pittsburgh, PA

2003
Ella Sharp Museum, Painting for Exhibit, Jackson, MI
Chicago Dance Company, Chicago, Ill
Family House, PATA Association, Pittsburgh, PA
Hillman Cancer Center, Private Collection, Pittsburgh, PA
Animal Rescue League, Featured Artist, Pittsburgh, PA
Jewish University Center, Award, Pittsburgh, PA
Carnegie Natural History Museum / Dinomite Days, Pittsburgh, PA
Cedars-Sinai Hospital, Steven Spielberg Pediatric Center, Private collection, Los Angeles, CA
Pittsburgh Convention Center, Private Collection, Pittsburgh, PA

2002
Wango Tango Festival, Artist for concert, Pasadena, CA
Dylan's Candy Bar, New York, NY
Carnegie International Museum, Christmas Tree, Pittsburgh, PA
Cedar-Sinai Hospital / Fashion Industries Guild Association, Los Angeles, CA
University of Pittsburgh Law School, featured Artwork , Pittsburgh, PA
Charlie Trotter's 15th Anniversary, art for Chef Freddy Girardet, Chicago, Ill

2001
International Olympic Museum, Switzerland
Carnegie Science Center, Pittsburgh, PA
Absente Liquor Campaign, National Campaign, USA
PNC Park, Kevin McClatchy, Private Commission, Pittsburgh, PA
Kansas City Cow Parade, Kansas City, MO
Krispy Kreme Donuts, National Campaign, USA
Daily's Cocktail Mix, National Campaign, USA
Neiman Marcus Fantasy Gift Catalogue, National Campaign, USA
NBC TV Show, "Friends", Warner Brothers Studio, Burbank, CA
NBC TV Show , "Late Friday", Warner Brothers Studio, Burbank, CA

2000
James Beard Foundation Award, New York, NY
Pittsburgh Zoo and Aquarium, Pittsburgh, PA
UPMC Sports Medical Center, Pittsburgh, PA
New York Cow Parade, New York, NY
Pittsburgh Regional Alliance Brag Book, Pittsburgh, PA
NBC TV Show - "Just Shoot Me", Warner Brothers Studio, Burbank, CA

1999
Heinz Corporation, Original Commission, Pittsburgh, PA
Carter Center, Atlanta, GA
Bloomingdales Department Stores, Burton Morris Neckwear, National Campaign, USA
Zippo Lighters, Burton Morris Limited Edition Lighters, National Campaign, USA
Public Broadcasting System (PBS) Hot Dog Program, National Campaign,USA
NBC TV Show - "Veronica's Closet", Warner Brothers Studio, Burbank, CA

1998
World Cup Soccer Official Artist, Paris, France
Dubonnet Aperitif, National Campaign, USA
United Nations, Political Conference, Washington, D.C.
Harry Chapin Humanitarian Award Commission, Long Island, NY

1997
Perrier Limited Edition Bottles, International Campaign, USA, Europe
Artwork for 25th Anniversary - "Mr. Rogers Neighborhood", National Campaign, USA
Coors Commemorative Can, 25th Anniversary, Franco Harris, National Campaign,USA

1996
Limited Edition Pepsi Can, National Campaign, USA
Heinz Corporation Specialty Promotion, July 4th, National Campaign, USA
Digital Computers, National Campaign, USA
Lincoln Center, New York, NY

1995
Boston South Shore Plaza, Mural Commission, Boston, Mass
AT&T, National Campaign, USA

1994
Houston Astrodome, Sports Mural, Houston, TX
Fidelity Investments, National Campaign, USA
Anheuser-Busch, National Campaign, USA
Honda Motor Corporation, National Campaign, USA

1993
Absolut Vodka, National Campaign, USA
Gallo Winery, National Campaign, USA
JVC Jazz Festival, Official Artist, New York, NY

soulja

09-09-2008, 04:43 PM

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Britney portrait with butterfly (?) and eye-catching ring.

A portrait of Spears made of chewed bubble gum titled 'Gum Blonde XLVIII' by artist Jason Kronenwald is shown at left. (Reuters)
http://le-gallery.ca/artists/6/jason+kronenwald/

soulja

09-09-2008, 04:52 PM

Leesa Leva is another artist who uses celebrities in her work.
http://www.trendhunter.com/images/phpthumbnails/15910_2_468.jpeg
Olsen Twins, silence trigger/sign

this one is also interesting,
http://www.trendhunter.com/images/phpthumbnails/15910_1_468.jpeg
not sure how the technique is called in english but i remember when i was a little soulja back in school we used to do similar paintings. talking bout the on top layered motive wich looks like a butterfly.

americana

09-09-2008, 05:41 PM

Leesa Leva is another artist who uses celebrities in her work.

this one is also interesting,
http://www.trendhunter.com/images/phpthumbnails/15910_1_468.jpeg
not sure how the technique is called in english but i remember when i was a little soulja back in school we used to do similar paintings. talking bout the on top layered motive wich looks like a butterfly.

Looks like a Rorschach inkblot test! The Olsen twins phenomenon as indicating some warped psychology in the viewer/ society? Very interesting! Thanks for letting us know about this artist.

hunkahunka

09-09-2008, 06:00 PM

Gay village supporters told to move fundraiser

Brendan Kennedy, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Tuesday, September 09, 2008
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/city/story.html?id=2c237f23-7593-4f56-93d0-3dd36bb1533d
OTTAWA - The organization trying to have a six-block stretch of Bank Street designated as a gay village has been forced to move a fundraising event off of Bank Street, and they're blaming the local business improvement area.
"What we're most frustrated with is the symbolic shoving aside of us off the street," said Glenn Crawford, chair of the Bank Street Village Initiative, the organization pushing for the portion of Bank between Nepean and James streets to be officially designated as Ottawa's gay village.
The organization is hosting a barbecue and outdoor screening of The Wizard of Oz Tuesday, from 7 p.m. to 10 p.m., on Gilmour Street between Bank and O'Connor, but the group had originally planned to hold the event on Bank Street itself. Proceeds are to be used to purchase rainbow flags to adorn the streetscape.

Mr. Crawford and other organizers were informed at a meeting with city officials on Friday that their permit would only be approved if the event were moved off Bank.

"Symbolically, we wanted to be on the street given what we're trying to achieve on Bank Street," Mr. Crawford said, adding that he believes the event was forced off of Bank mainly because of pressure placed on the city by Gerry LePage, the executive director of the Bank Street Promenade Business Improvement Area.

Relations between the Village Initiative and the BIA have become strained since early last month, when the BIA's board of directors decided against supporting the gay-village designation, opting instead for a "bottom up" policy of branding for the neighbourhood, where individual businesses could choose whether to identify themselves as gay-oriented or gay-friendly.

But the city's special events coordinator Ainsley Shepherd said the event could not have been held on Bank because "there was not sufficient time and consensus to allow it."

Ms. Shepherd said the city received the application less than two weeks before the proposed date and added that there were several other factors that contributed to the decision, including the fact that Bank Street is already being disrupted by construction, there was insufficient time to notify transit users of detours and the event's projected attendance did not merit the closure of a main arterial road.

According to Marcus McCann, associate publisher of Capital Xtra and member of the Village Initiative, the initial application for the event was e-mailed and faxed to the city on Aug. 9, but got caught in "bureaucratic hell," and went unnoticed in the following weeks.

After not hearing anything from the city, Mr. McCann followed up and was told that the application he was originally told by staff to fill out was not the right one and that he needed to re-submit a different application. That second application was then sent in towards the end of August, he said.

The BIA's opposition to the event was significant, Ms. Shepherd said, but added that the city still would have been uncomfortable even if the BIA were in favour.

Gerry LePage said neither he nor the BIA is opposed to the event, and that the association's opposition was driven by concern from its members over the lack of notice given to local businesses.

"This has absolutely nothing to do with the nature of the event whatsoever," he said. "It's inappropriate to close a major street and have absolutely no notification to the BIA or its members."

Mr. LePage said he found out about the event last week when one of the BIA's members phoned him after seeing a poster.

But Mr. LePage said he did not fault Mr. Crawford's organization for the lack of notification.

"It was just a bureaucratic foul-up," he said, adding that what the Village Initiative is trying to do - raise its own money and drum up community support - is to be commended and is what the BIA's board had in mind in terms of "bottom up" branding.

"Why would we be averse to this? It's simply not consistent with our historical position," he said, citing the association's support of events during Gay Pride Week.

© The Ottawa Citizen 2008

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Events for the next Week

September 9, 2008 ( Tuesday )

GLBT Events

7:00pm - 10:00pm
"The Wizard of Oz" Film, Sing-a-long, Street Social

Because there's no place like home... have fun and support the Village Initiative. We're taking over a couple of blocks of Bank St for some food and a film screening of The Wizard of Oz. Sing along or cuddle up with a neighbour. Bring a blanket and camp out on the street. FREE event, with a suggested donation of $5 for the Village.

The Bank St BIA (business improvement area) won't commit to rainbow banners, but we're not giving up. Show the BIA how much the queer community loves Bank St.

Things you can do at a BBQ: * Eat a hot dog * Meet your neighbours * Singalong to the Wizard of Oz * Dress up like Dorothy (or a friend of Dorothy) * Sign the petition * Hug your neighbours

Village t-shirts, undies and wearable stickers will be available for sale at the screening. ALL proceeds go directly to the Village Initiative. T's and undies - $20 each; stickers in 26 different "types" - $2 each.

Location: Bank St (Somerset - Gilmour)

Posted by: Sysop, 28-Aug-08 8:10am ET

http://flickr.com/photos/chasdobie/2447545474/
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2098/2447545474_5f8fac021c.jpg?v=0
For the last half hour or more this woman was reading loudly from the Bible in front of Wilde's, a gay book and record store in Ottawa Ontario, April 24, 2008. In this photo she engages someone in an animated conversation. A moment later she went into the health food store and I didn't see her again.

this photo is of Wilde's, one of the Bank St. businesses involved in the campaign to have the surrounding neighborhood officially
declared 'the gay village' by the municipal government of Ottawa, Ontario.
Have a close look. See the 'angels' on the building, above the sign, with the porcelain masks? See the masonic pink triangles?
The entire building holds three separate businesses, but
the top of it is decorated with smiley face rainbow flags,
so the owner of the whole property is obviously deeply involved with this.(note, one 'angel' has blue gloves ,and the other a red robe[blue/red])
Interesting, one of the other businesses housed in this 'owned'
building , is an India importing company and Indian handicrafts store called Aziz & Co., (Ozzies and company?) Just thought
I'd throw that in.

http://flickr.com/photos/chasdobie/2446720667/in/set-72157604629483879/

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2185/2447545256_335d592dc7.jpg?v=0

hunkahunka

09-09-2008, 07:20 PM

Interesting that Canada's passenger railroad VIA Rail, is a major
sponsor of gay pride parades across Canada.

have a look at the search results for 'VIA Rail sponsor gay pride parade'

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=via+rail+sponsor+gay+pride&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

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By the 1960s it was obvious to both Canadian National (known as CN after 1960) and CPR that passenger trains were no longer economically viable under traditional market manifestations. CPR sought to rid itself of the burden of operating passenger trains, but federal government regulators and politicians balked, forcing CPR to continue running a minimal service through the 1970s. CN on the other hand, being a Crown corporation, was encouraged by the federal government and political interests to invest in passenger trains. Innovative marketing schemes such as Red, White, and Blue fares, new equipment such as scenic dome cars and rail diesel cars, and services such as Rapido and Turbo trains saw substantial increases in ridership, reversing previous declines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA_Rail
By the 1970s CN sought to rid itself of passenger trains. The decline of passenger rail became a federal election issue in 1974 when the government of Pierre Trudeau promised to implement a nation-wide carrier similar to Amtrak in the United States. The bilingual name VIA or VIA CN originated in 1976 as a marketing term for Canadian National's passenger train services and the VIA logo began to appear on CN passenger locomotives and cars, while still carrying CN logos as well. That September, VIA published a single timetable with information on both CN and CP trains, marking the first time that Canadians could find all major passenger trains in one publication. In 1977, CN underwent a dramatic restructuring when it placed various non-core freight railway activities into separate subsidiaries such as ferries under CN Marine and passenger trains under VIA Rail which was subsequently renamed VIA Rail Canada.

In the mid 1800's the railway magnates built a network of Canadian and American rail hotels, some of which were owned by CN Rail (a governent/crown corporation) and some of which were owned by the private corporation CP Rail, as well as American railroad companies.

Today all of them are owned by British Columbia Investment Management Corporation, including the Fairmont Olympic Hotel in Seattle , and the Banff Springs Hotel, in Banff, Alberta, Canada (near Calgary), among others:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairmont_Hotels
airmont Hotels & Resorts is a Toronto, Ontario -based operator of luxury hotels and resorts. Currently, Fairmont operates properties in 14 countries including Canada, the United States, Mexico, Bermuda, Barbados, United Kingdom, Monaco, Germany, Switzerland, Egypt, Kenya, Tanzania, the United Arab Emirates and Singapore.
Fairmont is known in Canada for its famous historic hotels and resorts such as the Empress Hotel (Victoria) and Hotel Vancouver in British Columbia, the Royal York in Toronto, Banff Springs in Alberta and Château Frontenac in Quebec. Many of these hotels were originally built by the Canadian Pacific Railway in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. As such, they were operated by Canadian Pacific Hotels and Resorts until CP Hotels purchased Fairmont in 1999 and changed its name to Fairmont Hotels and Resorts. The name change reflected the new international focus of the company.
Fairmont's portfolio also includes several other landmark and icon properties including Plaza Hotel in New York, the Savoy Hotel in London and the Peace Hotel in Shanghai, which is currently under-going an extensive renovation.
History

The original Fairmont was built in 1907 in the city of San Francisco following the earthquake of 1906. It was later acquired by Benjamin Swig in 1945.

The Fairmont chain consisted of seven properties in the United States when it merged with Canadian Pacific Hotels & Resorts in 1999:

* The Fairmont (San Francisco)
* The Fairmont, New Orleans (formerly Grunewald)
* The Fairmont Copley Plaza (Boston)
* The Plaza (New York)
* The Fairmont Chicago
* The Fairmont Dallas
* The Fairmont San Jose

In early 2006, after a contentious bidding war started by investor Carl Icahn. Icahn lost the bid and Fairmont agreed to be sold for $3.9 billion USD. Fairmont announced on January 30, 2006 that the company will be purchased by Colony Capital, LLC and Kingdom Hotels International. As a result of that purchase, Fairmont Hotels & Resorts is now a subsidiary of Fairmont Raffles Hotels International (FRHI). At the time of the purchase, FRHI also owned Delta Hotels & Resorts; however, Delta was sold on October 2, 2007 to bcIMC (British Columbia Investment Management Corporation).
http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/display/1bdeeb4f-283b-4357-9cde-9e9952e0d9f4.jpg
Fairmont Olympic Hotel, Seattle

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/ac/BanffSpringHotel1929.jpg/200px-BanffSpringHotel1929.jpg
Banff Springs Hotel, October, 1929

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Farmer
Life after hospitalization

On March 23, 1950, at her parents' request, Farmer was paroled back into her mother's care. She took a job sorting laundry at the Olympic Hotel in Seattle. This was the same hotel where Farmer had been feted in 1936 at the world premiere of Come and Get It.http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif

http://www.aberdeen-museum.org/kurt.htm
On September 1st, 1986 Cobain moved into the "first house" he rented alone - more a ramshackle hovel - at 1000-1/2 E. Second Street, and worked part-time as a maintenance man at the Polynesian Inn Resort at Ocean Shores to pay the rent.

This article mentions Cobain staying with Buzz Osbourne of the Melvins at the staff annex of the Banff Springs Hotel,in 1986, while the Melvins were playing a gig in Calgary, Alberta, just prior to forming Nirvana:

http://www.topix.com/forum/who/nirvana/TAP8NSTHB7L2O1R6T

hunkahunka

09-09-2008, 08:41 PM

BC Investment Management Corporation (bcIMC) is the investment/management arm of the B.C. Teachers Pension fund, administered by provincial teacher's union: the British Columbia Teacher's Federation:

http://www.codev.org/filmfest/media/logo_bctf.jpg
British Columbia Teacher's Federation logo

http://photos.imageevent.com/firesat/symbolsandlofos/icons/010105grove16.jpg
The founders of Bohemian Grove are the National Press Club

http://www.cremationofcare.com/images/bohemian_grove/nat_press_club.PNG

Have a glance at what they own (you've got to see the photos to grasp
the magnitude of this)
here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairmont_Hotels_and_Resorts

They own essentially every gothic rail hotel in the world:

Properties

Canadian properties

British Columbia

* The Fairmont Empress Resort in Victoria
* The Fairmont Hotel Vancouver in Vancouver
* The Fairmont Pacific Rim in Vancouver (opens 2009)
* The Fairmont Waterfront Hotel in Vancouver
* The Fairmont Vancouver Airport Hotel in Richmond, BC
* The Fairmont Chateau Whistler (Resort) in Whistler

Alberta

* The Fairmont Chateau Lake Louise (Resort) on Lake Louise
* The Fairmont Banff Springs (Resort) in Banff
* The Fairmont Palliser in Calgary
* The Fairmont Jasper Park Lodge (Resort) in Jasper
* The Fairmont Hotel Macdonald in Edmonton

Manitoba

* The Fairmont Winnipeg in Winnipeg

Ontario

* The Fairmont Château Laurier in Ottawa
* The Fairmont Royal York in Toronto

Québec

* Fairmont The Queen Elizabeth in Montréal, Québec
* Fairmont Le Château Frontenac (Resort) in Québec City
* Fairmont Le Manoir Richelieu (Resort) in Charlevoix, Québec
* Château Montebello (Resort) in Montebello, Québec
* Fairmont Tremblant in Mont-Tremblant, Québec

Atlantic

* The Fairmont Algonquin (Resort) in St. Andrews, New Brunswick
* The Fairmont Newfoundland in St. John's, Newfoundland

United States properties

* The Fairmont Orchid (Resort) in South Kohala, Hawaii
* The Fairmont Kea Lani Maui (Resort) on Maui, Hawaii
* Fairmont Olympic Hotel in Seattle, Washington
* The Fairmont Sonoma Mission Inn & Spa (Resort) in Sonoma, California
* The Fairmont San Francisco in San Francisco, California
* Fairmont Heritage Place Ghirardelli Square in San Francisco, California - (Opens August 15, 2008)
* Fairmont Seaside (Resort) in Monterey/Seaside, California - (Opens 2009)
* The Fairmont San Jose in San Jose, California
* Fairmont Miramar Hotel & Bungalows, Santa Monica in Santa Monica, California
* Fairmont Newport Beach in Newport Beach, California
* Fairmont Avanterra, Palm Desert in Palm Desert, California - (Opens 2011)
* Fairmont Vail in Vail, Colorado - (opens 2011)
* Fairmont Heritage Place Franz Klammer Lodge in Telluride, Colorado
* Fairmont Scottsdale (Resort) in Scottsdale, Arizona
* The Fairmont Dallas in Dallas, Texas
* The Fairmont Chicago in Chicago, Illinois
* The Fairmont Turnberry Isle Resort & Club (Resort) in Miami, Florida
* The Fairmont Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania - (Opens 2009)
* The Fairmont Washington, DC in Washington, D.C.
* The Plaza Hotel in New York, New York
* The Fairmont Copley Plaza in Boston, Massachusetts

Central American and Caribbean properties

Anguilla

* The Fairmont Anguilla (Resort) in Forest Estate, Anguilla - (Opens 2010)

Barbados

* The Fairmont Royal Pavilion (Resort) in St. James

Bermuda

* The Fairmont Hamilton Princess in Hamilton
* The Fairmont Southampton (Resort) in Southampton

Dominican Republic

* Fairmont Roco Ki (Resort) in Roco Ki, Punta Cana Dominican Republic - (Opens 2010)

Mexico

* The Fairmont Acapulco Princess (Resort) in Acapulco
* The Fairmont Pierre Marques (Resort) in Acapulco
* The Fairmont Heritage Place Acapulco Diamante in Acapulco
* The Fairmont Mayakoba (Resort) in Riviera Maya

European properties

* The Savoy in London, U.K.
* Fairmont St Andrews in Scotland
* Fairmont Monte Carlo in Monaco
* Fairmont Hotel Vier Jahreszeiten in Hamburg, Germany
* Fairmont Le Montreux Palace in Montreux, Switzerland

Middle Eastern and African properties

* The Fairmont Dubai in Dubai, U.A.E.
* The Fairmont Palm Resort & Hotel in The Palm, Dubai, U.A.E. - (Opens 2008)
* Fairmont Abu Dhabi Creek in Abu Dhabi, U.A.E. - (Opens 2009)
* Fairmont Marina City, Abu Dhabi in Abu Dhabi, U.A.E. - (Opens 2011)
* Fairmont Mina Al Fajer Resort in Fujeirah, U.A.E. - (Opens 2009)
* Fairmont Kingdom of Sheba (Resort) in The Crescent, Dubai, U.A.E. - (Opens 2010)
* Fairmont The Wave (Resort) in Muscat, Oman - (Opens Late 2011)
* Makkah Clock Royal Tower, A Fairmont Hotel in Makkah, Saudi Arabia - (Opening 2009)
* The Fairmont Cairo, Nile City in Cairo, Egypt - (Opening 2009)
* Fairmont Towers Heliopolis in Cairo, Egypt
* Fairmont Mara Safari Club in Masai Mara National Reserve, Kenya
* Fairmont The Norfolk in Nairobi, Kenya
* The Ark in Aberdare National Park, Kenya
* Mount Kenya Safari Club in Nanyuki, Kenya
* Fairmont Zanzibar in Zanzibar, Tanzania
South Africa
* Fairmont Zimbali Lodge in Zimbali, KaZulu-Natal South Africa
* Fairmont Zimbali in Zimbali, KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa - (Opens 2009)

South-east Asian properties

* Fairmont Singapore in Singapore, formerly Raffles The Plaza
* Fairmont Beijing in Beijing, China - (Opens 2008)
* Fairmont Makati, Manila in Makati City, Manila, Philippines - (Opens 2010)
* Fairmont Yangcheng Lake Hotel in Kunshan, China - (Opens 2009)
* The Fairmont Peace Hotel in Shanghai, China - (Opens 2010)
* Fairmont Macao in Cotai Strip Macao, China - (Opens 2010)

Johnny Gosch was abducted by the 'Finders' , and later became
Jeff Gannon, and later worked at the National Press Club:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/ACF371.jpg

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/Kovie64/JeffGannon.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/displacedtexan/blogstartdatefeb052005/gannon56429_Gannonmilkcarton.jpg

http://www.conspiracyworld.com/web/Articles/Article%20Images/w_hugs_gannon.jpg
George Bush hugging Johnny Gosch/Jeff Gannon in front
of the National Press Club logo

rixxmixxhell

09-09-2008, 09:07 PM

I suggest you step back from your PC and have a time out. There is no need for such a aggresive reply, I asked a question, and got a personal attack instead!!

Hey.

Well, lemme first say that i had just realized wile writing the reply that Sincerely has the word ''Sin'' in it. I didn't aim this at you, i suppose i did what you did and didn't explain myself properly;).

Also, because you never used any emoticons/smilies, i didn't have a basis to know how you meant it, hence why a forum has them. It's hard to communicate at times on a screen, and get over the correct feel....

So i apologies for my reply, i have no desire to attack anyone or anything, this is evident from my posts and my self attitude - but i still stand by what i said in regards to the Bob Dylan thing - im sure we'd all like to know:eek:

Rick

hunkahunka

09-09-2008, 10:56 PM

I wish had the time and resources to completely sleuth these
teacher's union people. Just at a glance I see that they
own Edmonton's Fairmont MacDonald Hotel, and that it is located
right near Edmonton's gay male stroll Bellamy Hill,
on which they own another hotel:

http://www.hotelclub.net/common/imagegallery/HotelImage.aspx?hid=6838
Crowne Plaza Chateau Lacombe Edmonton

http://www.bcimc.com/publications/pdf/Inventory/Inventory20070331.pdf
REAL ESTATE INVESTMENTS AS AT MARCH 31, 2007 (UNAUDITED)
Domestic Investments (Gross Market Value CAD $9,891,296,277)

Residential
4390 & 4758 Grange Street Burnaby BC
4769 Hazel Street Burnaby BC
3730 & 3455 Fairwinds Drive Nanoose BC
3521 Dolphin Drive Nanoose BC
1701 Cedar Hill Cross Road Saanich BC
1502-1578 West Hastings Street Vancouver BC
1529-1569 Pender Street West Vancouver BC
2475-2485 & 3550 West Broadway Vancouver BC
683 Nicola Street Vancouver BC
930 Seymour Street Vancouver BC
939 Beatty Street Vancouver BC
104 - 26th Avenue Calgary AB
111 - 25th Ave. SW Calgary AB
124 - 26th Ave. SW Calgary AB
1111 Glenmore Trail SW Calgary AB
1121 6 Avenue SW Calgary AB
11479 Valley Ridge Drive N.W. Calgary AB
11800 Lake Fraser Dr. SE Calgary AB
1320 - 16th Avenue SW Calgary AB
2105 - 90 Avenue SW Calgary AB
2524 & 2528 - 66th Avenue SW Calgary AB
608 - 9th Street SW Calgary AB
609 - 8th Street SW Calgary AB
620 & 700 - 67th Avenue SW Calgary AB
10001 Bellamy Hill Edmonton AB

salamandras

10-09-2008, 11:12 AM

http://www.ericjoyner.com/tinrobots/2007_The%20Last%20Temptation%20of%20Sparky_Show_.j pg

I saw this cool art of old tin robots...but couldn't figure out the link to donuts. Robots & Donuts. (http://www.ericjoyner.com/)

Then I read page 73 of this thread, from a post by Soulja.

Wow pretty sick when you make the connection. :( Good find, thank you.

hunkahunka

10-09-2008, 12:05 PM

http://www.ericjoyner.com/tinrobots/2007_The%20Last%20Temptation%20of%20Sparky_Show_.j pg

reminds me of this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/suffolk/content/images/2007/05/31/red_200x300.jpg

moonshine

10-09-2008, 12:59 PM

Rihanna Has Her Own Split Personality Issues
http://i37.tinypic.com/28i2sqw.jpg
Rihanna spoke to Vibe Vixen for the magazine's August issue and revealed that like T.I., who recently brought the issue to the forefront with his album T.I. Vs. T.I.P., she too has two personalities. For her that meant a tear between Rihanna, her middle name and stage persona, and Robyn, her given name.

It wasn't that [my management or the label] told me what to do... It was more of what I couldn't do. I couldn't wear red lipstick. I couldn't wear my hair in a ponytail; all kinds of stupid things. Being 'Rihanna' wasn't natural. So I rebelled. I'm doing me. Now, Robyn and Rihanna are much more similar.

http://www.shoutmouth.com/index.php/articles/Rihanna_Has_Her_Own_Split_Personality_Issues

moonshine

10-09-2008, 01:11 PM

BEYONCE vs. SASHA - Now, Beyonce has created her stage persona, Sasha. Beyonce claims that she’s just a shy Church-going girl from Houston, Texas. But when you put that girl in some short-shorts and get her on a stage, she transforms into the super-sexy, rump-shaking Sasha. Beyonce claims that when she’s on stage, she becomes a completely different person and that it’s not her on stage. She also claims it leads her to do things like throw expensive costume jewelry off-stage in the heat of performance.

MARY J. BLIGE vs. BROOK-LYNN - Now, this is where I think it gets out of hand. Mary J. decided that it would be a cool idea to put her rapping alter ego “Brook-Lynn” in a video alongside her real self, and even give her a FEATURE pen in the song. In all honesty, when I first saw the video for “Enough Cryin’,” I couldn’t stop laughing, because she went as far as to put on a completely different wig and throw on some huge boots. I don’t know, I couldn’t help myself. Love her in the “Touch It” remix with Busta, though!

http://concreteloop.com/2006/06/split-personalities

moonshine

10-09-2008, 01:25 PM

Roseanne Barr
http://i38.tinypic.com/30lfjnq.jpg

She claims to have a 16-character multiple-personality disorder that kicks in without warning to terrorize friends and family with fury. And since the personalities don't communicate with each other, she has to be told the same things over and over again to make sure the real Roseanne hears the information.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/11/25/michael.jackson.weird.ap/index.html

moonshine

10-09-2008, 01:39 PM

Kylie Minogue's split personality
http://i35.tinypic.com/sgh7ok.jpg

Kylie Minogue admits she has split personalities.

The '2 Hearts' singer has so many conversations with "the committee" in her head, she often thinks she has spoken to friends and family about her plans for the future.

Kylie said: "It's not about having two different personalities - it's about having a whole committee in your head. It's about having this discussion with the committee about something really important, and assuming it took place for real.

"Like, recently, I was telling my friend William Baker about my next tour and what we're going to be doing on it, and he was looking at me, like, 'What tour, when?' And suddenly I remembered I hadn't actually told anybody I was planning to go on tour again besides myself."

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/news/article_1383593.php/Kylie_Minogues_split_personality

moonshine

10-09-2008, 01:45 PM

Pink: Split Personality Lyrics

http://i35.tinypic.com/33pf48j.jpg

; Hmm, ooh
I do not trust
So I can not love
(uh cant no man be trusted)
Oh no, no, no
And I will not dare
To open up
(this is dusted pink)

Well my rents passed due
And now my car wont start
I hate the bus
(arent you glad you have somebody to talk to? )
Tell me what do they see
When they look at me
Do they see my many personalities, oh no?

1 - can you help me?
Can anybody hear me?
Can they even see me?
This is my reality, oh no

(can it be my turn now? )
(said is it my turn pink)
Said Ill say it again
Youre my only friend
(I protect you from the world)
(I maybe even protect you from yourself)
Though I cant go on
Im not satisfied
With this being the end
(this is just the beginning)

2 - tell me why cant i
Just reach up and simply touch the sky
Tell me why cant i
Spread my arms and fly and fly and fly
Tell me why cant I say this
Why cant I do that?
Tell me what do they want from me?
Tell me how to act

Repeat 1 (2x)

So Im putting it all on the table
You dont know me well enough to label me
Sick or even disturbed
When you break it down Im just two girls
Trying to blend, trying to vibe (trying)
Trying to live just one life (its so hard)
Everybodys got amenities
Ive got a split personality

Repeat 2

Repeat 1 (2x)

(why wont you talk to me? )
Can you help me?
(talk to me dont ignore me)
Do you hear me?
(I cant take it)
Do you see me at this time?
(oh calm down)
Its all mine
(its not that serious)
Its my reality
(well be just fine without them)
Its just too much for me
(forget them)
Oh, oh
(youre my friend)
Oh
(my friend)
Oh
(pink)
Oh
(pink!)

moonshine

10-09-2008, 02:05 PM

Adam Duritz, lead singer of Counting Crows as a Multiple Personality Disorder.
http://i34.tinypic.com/2dcdfl4.jpg

This was not depression. This was not workaholism. I have a fairly severe mental illness that makes it hard to do my job — in fact, makes me totally ill suited for my job. I have a form of dissociative disorder that makes the world seem like it’s not real, as if things aren’t taking place. It’s hard to explain, but you feel untethered.

And because nothing seems real, it’s hard to connect with the world or the people in it because they’re not there. You’re not there. That’s why I rarely saw my family back then: It’s hard to care when everything feels as if it’s taking place in your imagination. And if you’re distant with people, especially women you’re romantically involved with, they eventually leave.

What makes my case even worse is that every night I go out on stage and have this incredible emotional connection between me, the band, and the audience. Then, just like that, it’s over. I go backstage, back to the bus, back to my hotel room, and sit there all by myself. That deep connection is yanked away in an instant. It’s like breaking up with your girlfriend over and over again, every night.

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/06/23/counting-crows-adam-duritz-talks-about-dissociative/

Herschel Walker reveals he suffers from multiple personality disorder
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The former Vikings running back writes in his new book "Breaking Free'' that he has dissociative identity disorder.

By CARTER STRICKLAND, Atlanta Journal-Constitution

WASHINGTON - Herschel Walker doesn't sleep.

There is too much noise in his brain. There are too many thoughts.

Several years ago they started to leak out and then began to flow. Pen in hand, Walker let the thoughts flood onto the page. For three years the former Georgia star wrote what was in his mind.

"I sent it to Simon and Schuster and they couldn't believe it was written by a football player," Walker said. "It was just about the mind and how the mind works."

It was about how Walker's mind works and how it has dealt with dissociative identity disorder (DID). The result is a book, "Breaking Free." The autobiography chronicles Walker's struggle with DID, which is also referred to as multiple personality disorder, and how he has worked to harness it.

"A lot of people look at it and they laugh," Walker said. "Or they hear about it and they think I am being a fool. That doesn't matter to me."

What matters to Walker is that he has a chance to tell the story of how he dealt with DID for decades.

"What DID is, it is a unique way of coping," said Walker, who was divorced from his wife, Cindy, just before starting on the book.

In order to deal with situations that are emotional beyond the control of a person, that person may create alternate personalities or "alters" to deal with those situations. Many times those alters are the result of profound abuse or a traumatic event in a person's life. For Walker that abuse was rooted in childhood.

"When I was a kid I had a speech impediment and I used to get teased all the time," Walker said. "I didn't love myself and I didn't know how to love myself."

It wasn't until Walker found a coach who believed that he began to believe in himself. But still a pattern had been established in Walker's life. There were times when he was angry, out of control, self-destructive and unable to connect to those around him. Those were times he said he often did not remember. But now Walker has come to realize his alters were in control during those times.

Nobody else realized he even had any alters. Walker's father, Willis, his former coach, Vince Dooley, his close friend Frank Ros, all have said they never knew or even heard about Walker's DID.

"I know him better than anybody 'cause I raised him," Willis Walker said in January. "I don't know nothing about that disorder business."

Walker is reluctant to talk in depth about the book. His publishers have asked him to not talk about the subject until a "60 Minutes" profile is aired April 13 previewing the release of the book. Dr. Jerry Mungadze, a leader in the field of DID, wrote the forward to the book but has not returned multiple phone calls.

The diagnosis of DID is very rare and just as controversial. Many leading psychologists and psychiatrists are of the belief the idea DID is planted into a client's brain by an analysts.

Jerry Kelley, who holds a doctorate in psychology from the University of Arizona, said there have been cases where patients have sued therapists for implanting false memories. Kelley has successfully worked at overcoming the misdiagnosis of DID in several patients.

"I hold that this is a condition promoted by the interest that doctors take in it," Dr. Paul McHugh, Henry Phipps Professor of Psychiatry and Director of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Johns Hopkins University told the AJC in January.

Walker is unconcerned about the naysayers.

"A lot of people look at it and they think it is like Sybil,'" he said in reference to the most famous case of MPD diagnosed in Sybil Dorsett. "They think it all has to be negative."

Walker explained his approach to DID in simplistic terms.

"People have to shift themselves and their personalities in so many different areas to be successful," he said. "You don't want Herschel Walker the football player, babysitting your kids. Those are two different people

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/16686526.html

kweli

10-09-2008, 02:28 PM

Russell Brand on Britney's comeback: :rolleyes:

Britney Spears proved she was back on track last night when she swept the board at the MTV Video Music Awards in Los Angeles.

The star won best video, best pop video and best female video for Piece Of Me - and got the biggest reaction from the crowd on the night, even though she wasn't singing.

She had previously been nominated 16 times at the awards, but had never won before.

Those who did perform live on the night included Christina Aquilera, The Jonas Brother, Rihanna, Kid Rock and Kanye West.

The bash was also hosted by Russell Brand, who has appeared with Spears in advertisements for the show.

Talking afterwards to the BBC, Brand said the night marked the "launch of a very new Britney Spears era".

He said: "Consider this the resurrection of Britney Spears. If there was a female Christ, it's Britney."

During his opening speech at the bash, Brand took the brave step of joking about the forthcoming US presidential election.

He said: "Some people, I think they're called racists, say America is not ready for a black president. But I know America to be a forward-thinking country because otherwise why would you have let that retard and cowboy fella be president for eight years."

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i28/annie1pw/britney.jpg

moonshine

10-09-2008, 02:41 PM

Meet the 17 personalities inside my mind... and read how I ruthlessly killed them one by one

Aged 29, Karen Overhill was diagnosed with Multiple Personality Disorder. In one of the most intriguing and disturbing cases of its kind, her psychiatrist helped her identify 17 distinct personalities - the result of abuse she'd suffered at the hands of her family. Here, Karen tells her story - and how she found a cure.

On New Year's Eve 1989, I took a trip to Las Vegas with my husband and some friends, leaving our two children at home. Initially, I had gone to bed early feeling unwell, but throughout the evening I then found myself in different parts of the casino and couldn't work out how I got there.

http://i38.tinypic.com/mh93yd.jpg

Karen's drawing of the multiple personalities created by the abuse she suffered
Enlarge the image

When my husband finally caught up with me, I had $2,500 in my handbag. I'd started with $25. I had to make excuses about where I'd been and why I wasn't in our room - because I simply had no idea how it had happened.

There had been many other similar episodes in my life around that time. One day, I left the house to go shopping for food; but then I "awoke" in a department store to find myself buying my son a hat. I don't really remember making the decision not to go grocery shopping; nor do I know how I got to the store.

Sometimes I'd pick up a novel and discover the bookmark had moved - yet I couldn't remember reading the chapter. Once, I found a knife under my pillow that I couldn't explain.

After the birth of my second child, I began to lose more time and the occurrences left me almost suicidal. Crazy as it must sound, I could not remember marrying or making love to my husband. Nor could I remember anything about my life between the ages of six and 10.

That's why, when I was 29, I went to visit psychiatrist Richard Baer in Chicago. Until that point, I'd always tried to cover up my memory lapses. Dr Baer told me that my "dissociative episodes" could be a way my mind had found to cope with the pain of having been sexually abused by men in my family when I was young.

During my weekly therapy sessions, he suggested I keep notes about the times I found myself in unusual situations. After one Friday night I wrote: "It's 2am and I don't know where I am or how I got here. I don't know what city I'm in. There are no homes; it seems deserted. I don't know what to do. Should I ask for help, or just keep driving until something seems familiar?

"I can't call my husband. He wouldn't understand. I am alone and scared. I'm at a petrol station and there's a lady inside. I'll ask her.

"The lady was very helpful and now I know where I am. We will get home OK."

The fact that I had used the word "we" in my note - although I was definitely alone that night - combined with other information I had already given him, made Dr Baer wonder for the first time if I might have multiple personality disorder (MPD).

He thought that when I was losing time, I might not simply be disassociating with myself, but possibly switching to another personality. A few months later, I was faced with something that would confirm his suspicions.

When I went along for my weekly session, Dr Baer presented me with a letter he had received in the post. Written in a child's hand, it said: "Dear Doctor Baer, My name is Claire. I am 7 years old. I live inside Karen. I listen to you all the time. I want to talk to you but I don't know how."

The return address on the back of the envelope was mine, and although I didn't remember writing the letter and it was written in a child's hand, I knew instinctively it had come from me. I was so shocked, I thought I was going to faint.

For a while I was terrified that Dr Baer - the only man I'd been able to trust - would disown me for being too disturbed, but instead he carefully explained what he now believed.

He told me I had been suffering from MPD, and that research suggested childhood sexual abuse was the most common cause of the condition. He explained that if a person lives with severe, persistent abuse, they sometimes create alternative personalities to cope.

He also explained that it was common for MPD patients to try to hide their symptoms because they feared being labelled as "crazy", and that sometimes an alternate personality could come forward through - among other means - a letter to the therapist.

I realised the letter was a real sign that some part of me finally wanted this out in the open.

After the revelation of "Claire's" letter, it was as though a switch had been flipped. Suddenly, I started to become more aware of other personalities inside me - especially in the evenings and at night. I could almost sit back and watch myself function.

Even routine things such as cooking dinner, housework, or driving the children to school seemed unfamiliar to me much of the time because they were being carried out by other parts of me. I knew I'd done them a thousand times, but I felt like I'd never really done them at all.

At night, I could hear different voices in my head discussing the events of the day - events I could not even remember. Bizarre though it sounds, it seemed to be a way for all these different personalities to catch up with each other.

I began trying to identify the different voices I could hear, and came up with a list that I gave to Dr Baer.

They included four children under ten (three girls and a boy), two teenage girls (Julie and Sandy), a 21-year-old woman, myself, a man and a woman aged 34 (Holdon and Katherine) and another very angry man.

This list really helped to clarify things. I now knew there are at least 11 distinct personalities within me. They had names, ages, unique and separate personality traits, and their own individual histories.

I even started to "see" what they were doing and how they were behaving - but it was distressing and exhausting switching personalities all the time.

I had to rely on one personality - a 30-something male - to drive, for example. If he was otherwise engaged, "we" (the personalities and I) couldn't get anywhere.

Around this time, I would bump into people who claimed to know me, but I didn't recognise them at all. I could only assume that they had a friendship with another side of my character.

By the spring of 1994, I could stand the chaos no longer, and Dr Baer felt I was ready to try to tackle my condition with hypnotherapy - a recognised treatment for MPD. Under hypnosis, I was able to identify my 11 alternate characters and find out more about them.

Over time, six more personalities started to emerge through letters they wrote to my therapist and via our hypnotherapy sessions, making a total of 17. Each one appeared to have been formed to help me deal with specific, difficult aspects of my life and experience.

There was Jensen, for example, an 11-year-old boy, who was "born" in 1971 when I was 12 years old and was raped by my grandmother's brother.

I'd never told anyone about the abuse that I'd suffered for fear that my father would kill me - as he had threatened. Jensen fought back against the abuse and tried to bind my breasts flat to help me appear more masculine. He especially hated older men.

Then there was Juliann - 15 years old and very energetic, who didn't tend to worry about anything. She was disorganised and promiscuous, and tended to talk too much.

It may seem bizarre that a human being can be organised in this way. It's an alternative way of thinking and functioning, but it uses the same mental tools - the same brain - that we all have. If we all grew up under the same abusive circumstances as me, maybe we'd all operate in the way I did then.

Over the next few years, Dr Baer spent more time talking to my different personalities under hypnotherapy than he did talking to me. This gave me terrible headaches because the parts didn't always agree. Some of them started to keep a journal in which they could all write, but then one of the personalities burnt it.

My condition seemed to be getting worse rather than better.

Then, in the summer of 1996, Dr Baer received a memo from Holdon, the 34-year-old male in my group of alternate characters. As the protector of my "group", he had described a step-by-step procedure to help incorporate the other personalities into my own. Dr Baer and I were both utterly amazed.

That August, Dr Baer and I tried Holdon's integration process with Julie, my 13-year-old persona who was "born" at a time when my grandfather was molesting me. Julie was crippled and suffered breathing problems.

Under hypnosis, I "met" Julie in a place I visualised as secure, and Julie "stepped into" my body. With Dr Baer's help, I absorbed her thoughts, memories and character traits. The process seemed pretty easy - but the results were painful.

After Julie and I integrated, I immediately started feeling very sensitive to all sounds around me.

I was able to hear Dr Baer's breathing and the sound of his pen writing, the traffic below and the air conditioning. When he talked, it sounded as though he was screaming at me.

The "integration" felt like I'd gone through major surgery, and it left me with serious doubts about ever doing it again.

At home, my mind raced as if I were watching a movie in fast forward. As the memories of what had happened to me poured into me, I felt every pain associated with them - and even though each pain lasted only a few seconds, I just wanted these memories to stop.

During the next week, I worked through all the memories the Julie character had, and gradually I started functioning again.

I realised that having Julie had always been a form of protection from what had happened to me as a child - and now I was going to have to deal with the memories of the degradation myself.

We "integrated" Claire next - and the experience did not seem to take such a toll. Having Claire join my personality made me suddenly feel more feminine and more sensitive.

The process was long and hard, but it worked - and eventually we dealt with Holdon. After that, I could see changes in myself. It's hard to pinpoint, but I felt like more of a person. There was a new richness in everything about me - and in 2001 I divorced my husband after a troubled marriage.

It scared me to have to re-live and talk about what had happened, but the experience made me stronger.

Two years ago, I finally stopped having therapy, although I still see Dr Baer as a friend. Today, I don't lose hours of my life any more.

What I have come to understand is that when children are victimised, as I have been, they turn to the only safe place they know - within themselves.

I don't ever want to forget the different parts of me - they made me who I am - but I've missed so much of my life. Now I feel reborn.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-558521/Meet-17-personalities-inside-mind--read-I-ruthlessly-killed-one.html

moonshine

10-09-2008, 02:43 PM

turquoisefire777

10-09-2008, 04:20 PM

http://www.wittypedia.com/images/1/1f/Coj_logo.gif

cult of john logo (http://www.wittypedia.com/COJ)

it's sooo obvious what this is....

brown velvet

10-09-2008, 04:28 PM

http://www.ericjoyner.com/tinrobots/2007_The%20Last%20Temptation%20of%20Sparky_Show_.j pg

I saw this cool art of old tin robots...but couldn't figure out the link to donuts. Robots & Donuts. (http://www.ericjoyner.com/)

reminds me of this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/suffolk/content/images/2007/05/31/red_200x300.jpg

In 333 BC, wintering at Gordium, Alexander attempted to untie the knot.

and this....
http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/10%2009%2008%20nut/tubetorus_wiki.jpg

as a geometric - mathematical model of the universe.

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/10%2009%2008%20nut/torusearth.gif
Universe imagery within the 'worlds' of DID (?)

All from here.... (http://www.crystalinks.com/gordianknot.html)

I found ths very very interesting, after getting through the hypnotic effect of the knot going round and round! Get out of that? Gordian Knot

brown.

soulja

10-09-2008, 04:42 PM

found an interesting post from rixx in another thread, have a look at the info my fellow MK researchers ;)

James Casbolt, what do YOU think??

http://www.jamescasbolt.com/

Some thoughts from Ken Adachi.
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/casboltintro08sep08.shtml

I have read half of what he's released. I mean, i am going to be no fool and have an opinion until i have as much material to bass an idea or viewpoint on. So i am reading them. Something always felt not quite right with him, but you know, we know how smear campaigns work, don't we !!!

Any thoughts???

Rick

all chapters:
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/casboltagent1chap.shtml
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/casboltagent2chap.shtml
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/casboltagent3chap.shtml
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/casboltagent4chap.shtml
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/casboltagent5chap.shtml

in my experience when it comes to MK then Ken Adachi is pretty good in his info selection, he uploaded both Fritzmeister books, Brice taylors work and also presented some good articles on the dodgy ''ex'' ( :rolleyes:) CIA character Mark Phillips.

soulja

10-09-2008, 04:43 PM

What a twat!
Russell Brand:
http://i37.tinypic.com/111le8p.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2006/12/05/bvradio05.xml

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/2496009090_b6a10c83ec.jpg
pic was taken at an MTV party at Bristol Club.

moonshine

10-09-2008, 05:16 PM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/2496009090_b6a10c83ec.jpg
pic was taken at an MTV party at Bristol Club.

Brand is a former heroin addict and has had numerous run-ins with the law, having been arrested eleven times [7], and was expelled from Italia Conti theatre school when he was younger. During the time of his addiction he was known for his debauchery, notable examples being his ejection from The Gilded Balloon in Edinburgh for abusive behaviour [8] and his sacking from MTV UK on the 12th of September 2001 for arriving at work dressed as Osama bin Laden [9].

However, he has been free from heroin addiction since 2003, and is now a patron of the addiction charity Focus 12 [10]. He hosted a forum show about drugs for Channel 4 in 2006, which had a similar format to that of Big Brother's Big Mouth, and his stage show Better Now drew extensively on his experiences with addiction [11]. He has also returned to MTV UK with his own chatshow, (1 Leicester Square)

http://www.pilkipedia.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Russell_Brand

brown velvet

10-09-2008, 05:20 PM

found an interesting post from rixx in another thread, have a look at the info my fellow MK researchers ;)

all chapters:
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/casboltagent1chap.shtml
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/casboltagent2chap.shtml
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/casboltagent3chap.shtml
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/casboltagent4chap.shtml
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/casboltagent5chap.shtml

in my experience when it comes to MK then Ken Adachi is pretty good in his info selection, he uploaded both Fritzmeister books, Brice taylors work and also presented some good articles on the dodgy ''ex'' ( :rolleyes:) CIA character Mark Phillips.

Hey soulja :D

great postings btw!!!

tis very odd, was only talking to someone yesterday about putting up the James Casbolt links, wondering what everyone's 'take' on him on here was, off to read (?)
(I have only seen a couple of his YouTube vids, also the security guards interview,)

brown.

hunkahunka

10-09-2008, 06:44 PM

"man is least himself when he speaks in his own face give him a mask and he will tell you the truth. - Oscar Wilde"

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2098/2447545474_5f8fac021c.jpg?v=0

Wilde's gay porn shop in Ottawa, the capital of Canada (note the two businesses 'Aziz & Company' and 'Wilde's')

http://www.victorianstation.com/images/wilde.jpg

Knowing how Masons love to play with names and symbols, I checked out the name 'Oscar Wilde' (noted 19th century homosexual author of 'The Picture of Dorian Gray') and the name 'Aziz' together in a Google search:

http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/book/salafi.html

http://www.biography.com/st-patrick/images/gonne.jpg
Maud Gonne, wife of Oscar Wilde

Blavatsky’s teachings also influenced the establishment of a prominent secret society known as the Golden Dawn, which would emerge out of Afghani’s contacts with the leaders of Egyptian Rite Freemasonry. Having gone underground for some time, until 1848, the “Year of Revolutions”, the Egyptian Rite of Freemasonry then revived its activity in Paris, and by 1856 had also established itself in Egypt, America, Romania, and other countries. In 1872, when the Egyptian Rite came to be known as the Antient and Primitive Rite, the Grand Mastership of the order was assumed by John Yarker, having been handed to him by Marconis de Negre. Yarker was also familiar with Blavatsky, having met her in England in 1878, and appears to have conferred on her a Masonic initiation, though there have been attempts to refute her involvement in Freemasonry.

http://www.enlightenedlife.org/images/masters/max_theon.jpeg
Aia Aziz (Max Theon)

In Paris, Yarker met Pascal Beverly Randolph, an African-American occultist who had traveled to Egypt, where he was supposedly initiated by a secret priestess of the Ismaili Muslims. Paschal Randolph was a noted medium, healer, occultist and author of his day, and also counted among his personal friends Bulwer-Lytton. Randolph’s Brotherhood of Eulis claimed descent from the Rosicrucian Order, by charter of the “Supreme Grand Lodge of France”, and taught spiritual healing, western occultism and principals of race regeneration through forms of sex magic. Through Randolph, Yarker passed on the tradition of the Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor, that was reborn as the Hermitic Brotherhood of Light, a continuation of the Frates Lucis, or Asiatic Brethren.

Max Theon

In 1873, Carl Kellner, an associate of Randolph, was another of the many occultists associated with Egyptian Freemasonry, who had traveled to Cairo in the time of al Afghani’s activity. There he met, for the first time, a mysterious young man, then going by the name of Aia Aziz, also known as Max Theo. Actually, this Max Theon was the son of the last leader of the Frankist sect, Rabbi Bimstein of Warsaw, Poland.

Max Theon traveled widely, and in Cairo worked with Blavatsky, and also became a student of Paulos Metamon, a “Coptic magician”. Paulos Metamon was also Blavatsky’s first “Master”, whom she had met in Asia Minor in 1848, and again in Cairo in 1870, and it was he who introduced her to the Hermetic Brotherhood of Light. Interestingly, the sevenfold cosmology of Ismailism was common to both Theon and Blavatsky. In 1873, Metamon passed the Grand Mastership to Aziz, who, adopting the name of Max Theon, moved to England to propagate the same order.

It was Carl Kellner and Thoedore Reuss, another member of Bulwer-Lyttons’ Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia, who would put together the ritual of Egyptian Rite Freemasonry, chartered to Reuss by John Yarker, to convey the inner secret of the Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor. Regarding Kellner, Reuss wrote:

In the course of his many and extensive travels in Europe, America and the Near East, Bro. Kellner came into contact with an organisation which called itself The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light. The stimulus which he received through his association with this body, as well as other circumstances which cannot be mentioned here, gave rise to Bro. Kellner’s wish to found a sort of Academia Masonica which would make it possible for questing brethren to become acquainted with all the existing Masonic degrees and systems. In the year 1895 Bro. Kellner had long discussions with Bro. Reuss in Berlin about how this idea of his could be realised. In the course of talks with Bro. Reuss he abandoned the proposed title Academia Masonica and produced reasons and documents for the adoption of the name Oriental Templars. At that time in 1895 these deliberations did not lead to any positive result because Bro. Reuss was then busy with his revived Order of the Illuminati and Bro. Kellner had no sympathy for this organisation or for the people who were active in it with Bro. Kellner.[23]

It was John Yarker who supposedly provided a charter for the founding of the Ordo Templi Orientis, or O.T.O., effected by Reuss, which attempted to revive the traditions of the Ancient Mysteries, the Knights Templars, the FreemasonsRosicruciansand the Illuminati. Ordo Templi Orientis meant “Order of Eastern Templars”, in reference to the Johannite myth of Sabian or Ismaili influence. The occult inner circle of the O.T.O. would be organized parallel to the highest degrees of Egyptian Rite Masonry, and the esoteric Rosicrucian doctrines of the H.B. of L.

Reuss was succeeded as head of the O.T.O. by the notorious Aleister Crowley. Aleister Crowleya thirty-third degree Mason of the Scottish Rite, had also been a member of the Isis-Urania Temple of Hermetic Students of the Golden Dawn. Known simply as The Golden Dawn, the order was founded in 1888, by Masons and members of the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia of Bulwer-Lytton. This Isis Cult was organized around the 1877 manuscript Isis Unveiled by Helena Blavatsky. The Order of the Golden Dawn included, among others, William Butler Yeats, Maude Gonne, wife of Oscar Wilde, and Arthur Edward Waite. The Golden Dawn was led at the time by McGreggor Mathers, who traced the spiritual ancestry of the order to the Rosicrucians, and from there, through to the Kabbalah and to Ancient Egypt. And, it was while in Egypt, in 1904, that Crowley made contact with an entity by the name of Aiwass, which dictated to him the content of his Book of the Law, containing the famous dictum of modern occultism, “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.”

http://www.kheper.net/topics/Theon/theon2.jpg
Aia Aziz (Max Theon)

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a362/carolinegressel/beardsley_salome.jpg

http://www.tfsimon.com/354b.bmp.jpg
Salome with the head of John the Baptist

http://www.rudemechanicals.com/earnest/earnest2008-300.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0486264785.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

http://events.liveguide.com.au/565594_thumbnail_280_The_Importance_of_Being_Earne st_Oscar_Wilde.jpg

hunkahunka

10-09-2008, 07:35 PM

http://www.fineartprintsondemand.com/artists/titian/salome_carrying_head_of_st_john-400.jpg

Salome with the Head of John the Baptist by Titian, c 1515 (Galleria Doria Pamphilj, Rome)

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/BRGPOD/74843~Salome-with-the-Head-of-John-the-Baptist-circa-1525-30-Posters.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_John_the_Baptist
On Herod's birthday, Herodias' daughter (traditionally named Salome) danced before the king and his guests. Her dancing pleased Herod so much that in his drunkenness he promised to give her anything she desired, up to half of his kingdom. When the daughter asked her mother what she should request, she was told to ask for the head of John the Baptist on a platter. Although Herod was appalled by the request, he reluctantly agreed and had John executed in the prison.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/CaravaggioSalomeLondon.jpg/250px-CaravaggioSalomeLondon.jpg
Salome With the Head of John the Baptist (London), by Caravaggio, c. 1607.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/MaudeAllanSalomeHead.jpg
Maude Allan as Salomé with the head of John the Baptist in an early adaptation of Wilde's play

brown velvet

10-09-2008, 07:51 PM

The Order of the Golden Dawn included, among others, William Butler Yeats, Maude Gonne, wife of Oscar Wilde, and Arthur Edward Waite.

Arthur Edward Waite

Tarot deck
Waite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Edward_Waite#Tarot_deck) is best known as the co-creator of the popular and widely used Rider-Waite Tarot deck and author of its companion volume, the Key to the Tarot, republished in expanded form the following year, 1911, as the Pictorial Key to the Tarot, a guide to Tarot reading[11]. The Rider-Waite-Smith tarot was notable for being one of the first tarot decks to illustrate all 78 cards fully, in addition to the 22 major arcana cards. Golden Dawn member Pamela Colman Smith illustrated the cards for Waite, and the deck was first published in 1910.

The Rider-Waite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rider-Waite-Smith_deck) tarot deck is the most popular Tarot deck in use today in the English-speaking world (the Tarot de Marseille being the most popular deck in the Latin countries).[citation needed] Over the years it has also been known as the Rider-Waite-Smith, Waite-Smith, Waite-Colman Smith or simply the Rider deck.

http://www.shimmeringspirit.info/images/riderwaite.jpg

brown.

brown velvet

10-09-2008, 08:30 PM

Salome with the Head of John the Baptist by Titian, c 1515 (Galleria Doria Pamphilj, Rome)
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/BRGPOD/74843~Salome-with-the-Head-of-John-the-Baptist-circa-1525-30-Posters.jpg

Herod's stepdaughter, to whom the name Salome was later attributed, is said in Matthew 14:8 and Mark 6:25 to have asked him for John's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_baptist) head on a platter, and the presentation of his severed head often appears in art. Another theme of Christian art is his beheading,[1] which is mentioned not only in these two gospels, but also in Luke 9:9. He is also depicted as an ascetic wearing camel hair and with a staff and scroll inscribed "Ecce Agnus Dei" (Latin, "Behold the Lamb of God" — John 1:29) or bearing a book or dish with a lamb on it.[2] In Orthodox icons, he often has angel's wings, since Mark 1:2 applies to him a prophecy about an ἄγγελος (angelos), a word that can mean a messenger, but also an angel.[2]

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/07%2009%2008%20mumsy/mumsy001a.jpg

(1998)
A novel by

Jacqueline Wilson
http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/10%2009%2008%20nut/buriedalive.jpg

Tim and Biscuits are having a brilliant holiday in Wales. Life is full of icecream, sandcastles and picnics - until they meet the horrid bully Prickle-Head and his side-kick Pinch-Face. Just as they are about to despair, reinforcements arrive in an unexpected form.

Excerpted from Agent Buried Alive, The Autobiography of Commander James Casbolt (http://www.jamescasbolt.com/book/chapter1a.html) (2008)

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/10%2009%2008%20nut/casboltheader.jpg

At many points in the project, I endured intense and horrific torture known as “pain-pleasure reversals.” This played a large part in the mind control and memory erasure procedures. This will be discussed in greater detail, and the reasons for this outlined. Because of this, I have parts of my mind that are “buried alive” in my subconscious. This, along with the fact that the procedures occurred underground, is the reason for the title of this book.

brown.

hunkahunka

10-09-2008, 08:39 PM

ever tried Greek food?

http://www.billcasselman.com/whats_in_a_canadian_name/abbot_mcnab.htm

An Unveiled Reference to Salome

Perhaps the most infamous name derived from the shalom root is Salome, a late Greek version of the Aramaic Shalamzu, itself an abbreviation of Aramaic Shalomziyon ‘peace of Zion.’

http://www.billcasselman.com/paolo_detail.jpg
“The Feast of Herod,” [detail] Giovanni di Paolo, 1453, tempera on panel, National Gallery, London

http://www.billcasselman.com/salome_small.jpg
“The Dance of Salome,” imagined in 15th century Italy by Benozzo Gozzoli (1420-1497), tempera on panel, 1461 CE, National Gallery of Art, Washington

http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/salome2.jpg

brown velvet

10-09-2008, 08:51 PM

Hello :D

Just had this 'forwarded' to me, under a 'why you have a camera on your mobile' or something like that

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/10%2009%2008%20nut/donaldduckrideyeuk.jpg
(I didn't write the comment)

this is from 'Mumsy, Sonny, Nanny and Girly'

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/10%2009%2008%20nut/mumsy003a.jpg

just thought it was weird...

brown.

moonshine

10-09-2008, 10:56 PM

Researcher and lecturer Dr. Nick Begich discussed mind control, electronic telepathy, and ESP. Regarding the growing research into manipulating how the brain works, he said, "it's about freeing the mind, not enslaving it."
As technological advances allow for more sophisticated means of shaping peoples' consciousness, he stressed the importance of ethics when it comes to mind control. He cautioned that "just because some things are possible, doesn't mean we should do it." Noting that there are no regulations on mind control in the U.S., Begich called for legislation and disclosure about what kind of technologies have been developed.
Begich also explained the emerging science of brain mapping, which is getting closer to capturing brain activity in real-time. By determining the precise pattern in one person's brain, scientists could then implant that mind set into someone else. Despite the sinister potential for brain mapping, he cited some of the positive benefits from the research, such as repairing damaged brains and helping to enhance learning for children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eqyz9Lfors

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3CCxKb8Mpk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJW3WOmw2aA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCFJ7YGYGXY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRiJaoT6nz8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiVkNUee9tw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFB-0DDxFaU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aggKOHGqE8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7143YF8h6M&feature=related

mamachelle

11-09-2008, 01:02 AM

Rihanna Has Her Own Split Personality Issues

I noticed that you were posting about popstars/split personality issues, and the most obvious one not included here leapt out at me, and I must share it with you.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n116/blawk359/Band%20PR%20Photos/Hit.jpg

In 1908, Swiss psychiatrist Eugen Bleuler gave us the term schizophrenia. In 1973, The Who created Quadrophenia. And in 2007, Tori Amos gives us, well, let's call it “quintuplephenia.” For her ninth studio album, American Doll Posse, released this past May, Amos has split herself into five different personalities: political Isabel, insecure Clyde, “warrior woman” Pip, passionate Santa and Tori, a caricature version of Amos herself. Most of these women are in their late 80s, and each of them sings several songs on the album, which holds a whopping 23, or 24 or 26 tracks, depending on the version, and, yes, it can get confusing.

As a marketing device, the five-way split-personality ploy has worked wonders: It has intrigued even passing fans, given journalists something to write about and has allowed Amos to run five additional blogs and MySpace pages. The pianist/singer has been popping up in the media in recent months due to her political views. However, when speaking to Amos in the flesh, it quickly becomes obvious that, while the five-character approach unquestionably aims to expand the reach of American Doll Posse, the artist isn't simply looking for media coverage; she's trying to be as effective as possible in tackling what she sees as one of the greatest threats to the future of the U.S. and of humanity: George W. Bush and his colleagues.

“I have an allergy to your policies,” Amos sings on the album's opener, “Yo George,” and sitting in her basement writing room at Martian Engineering, her studio in Cornwall, England, she ardently elaborates. “The main message of the album is: The political is personal,” she explains, “as opposed to the feminist statement from years ago that the personal is political. There's so much that's not expressed in a country that should be the land of the free. At the same time, there's so much concern, it's beyond concern; the U.S. has chosen to put people in authority that are taking us down a very dark road.”

Amos has lived in the UK for more than a decade, but having been born and raised in the U.S., she still feels a deep connection to her native country. And so she has decided to tackle what she views as an authoritarian and war-mongering president, who she feels believes that the truth is something that can be made up. And so, when Amos laments “the madness of King George,” she isn't just being hyperbolic.
-from http://mixonline.com/recording/tracking/audio_tori_amos_times/
(http://mixonline.com/recording/tracking/audio_tori_amos_times/)

emerald

11-09-2008, 03:09 PM

http://gmy.news.yahoo.com/v/9681229

brown velvet

11-09-2008, 04:23 PM

http://gmy.news.yahoo.com/v/9681229

Nice find :D

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/11%2009%2008%20red%20slpz/fashionweek001.jpg

===============

Please, someone, tell me this wrong, oh so very wrong.....

heelarious (tp://gmy.news.yahoo.com/v/9681229)

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r475/orangebrownvelvet/September%2008/11%2009%2008%20red%20slpz/fashionweek007.jpg

brown.

hunkahunka

11-09-2008, 07:05 PM

http://www.bookarts.org/symbols

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Golden_Dawn_Earth_Pentacle.svg/590px-Golden_Dawn_Earth_Pentacle.svg.png
The Golden Dawn earth pentacle

This CD is from a band called Fredrick and the Golden Dawn
http://iacmusic.com/Uploads/33944_11_19_2007_1_02_35_AM_-_ccc.jpg[B]

http://www.greylodge.org/occultreview/glor_018/gdbook.jpg
pyramid

hunkahunka

12-09-2008, 07:53 AM

In real life in the secret world of the Illuminati, a scroll is used to certify that the witch is dead both physically and spiritually. (The movie had this in it.) Just one example of the thousands of Illuminati Grande Dames killed in ritual like this is the recent billionairess Dorris Duke, who was ritually killed in 1993 on Halloween, also called All Hallows Eve, in the Beverly Hills, CA area. The Illuminati method for killing a Grande Dame and passing her spiritual power on is done with reverence. No blood is to be spilt out of respect for the elderly woman who gives up her life willingly. At death, the last breath is inhaled by the replacement to transfer the power. There may be as many as 2,197 Grande Dames at such a coronation. The Grande Mothers (whose Systems are mistresses for Satan and hierarchy leaders) and the next rank, the Grande Dames, are often veiled in ritual and would wear robes with different colored lining. The different colors of linings show the different grades. A typical Grande Mother vestment or robe is a black satin & velvet dress with a draped neckline, and ritual symbols down the center of the robe. After someone like Dorris Duke willingly gives her (their) life, her head is served on a silver platter at a banquet. For the deeper alters of a high level slave, this is part of their way of life; they are told it is their birthright and heritage. Such alters will not be able to identify with the culture at large. To give up their programming, means giving up their magickal powers and their culture, which they have had to work hard for. To leave they would need to see something that they perceive as better. They are locked into their slavery due do to their exposure to only a secret Illuminati culture and value system. Because of their dissociation with the rest of their own System of alters, they don’t perceive a need to change their lifestyle anymore than a Bushman would be able to feel a need to wear shoes. Why should the Bushman want shoes, if he has gotten along without them? Why should a high level slave want change, when they have gotten along without it? Experience shows that during deprogramming most of the lower level alters will want to escape their abuse, but the higher level ritual alters are so separated from the abuse they don’t want to give up their status and culture.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/ancientsoul82/new/111.jpg
Madonna is dressed in black, wears the Kabbalistic Tree of Life around her neck, crown on her head..
http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/salome-john-baptist-head.jpg
Salome and John the Baptist

http://www.imamuseum.org/Media_Database/Collections/2004/00100-00199/2004.161/FFEBF6FA-4EE9-4527-AE37-0FCC43A006E1_C.jpg
Madonna and Child with St. John the Baptist

http://www.womanthouartgod.com/images/salome_embracing_the_severed_head_of_john_the_bapt ist.jpg
Salome Embracing the Severed Head of John the Baptist
Lucien Levy-Dhurmer

Oscar Wilde's scandalous play, Salome, based on the Biblical story of a Judean princess who performs the Dance of the Seven Veils for the Tetrarch, Herod, in exchange for the head of John the Baptist. When Salome finally receives the Christian prophet's head, she addresses it in an erotic monologue that has highly suggestive necrophiliac overtones. Various artistic depictions of the story, particularly in the work of Gustave Moreau and Aubrey Beardsley, also hint at this subtext.
http://mjang.free.fr/glarche/moreau/salomep.jpg
Gustave Moreau: Salome lifts the Head of St Jean Baptiste

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1161/665072469_03df8a7d78_o.jpg
Aubrey Beardsley, Salomé The Climax

http://www.glyphs.com/art/beardsley/salome-l.gif
this one is interesting, Soulja, in that the head of John the Baptiste
looks female, and Salome wears black, in keeping with the concept
of the Grande Mother dressed in black and eating the head of the Grande Dame.

here is another feminine depiction of John the Baptist:

http://www.geocities.com/davincigateway/leonardo_john_the_baptist.jpg
John the Baptist, by Leonardo Da Vinci

and here's another one:
http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/WebMedia/Images/30/NG3074/eNG3074.jpg
Saint Zeno, Saint John the Baptist and a Female Martyr- MONTAGNA, Bartolomeo

emerald

12-09-2008, 12:33 PM

Van Sant Honoured At Gotham

Director Gus Van Sant will be honoured at New York's forthcoming Gotham Film Festival.

Tribute will be paid to Van Sant, along with Penelope Cruz, at the November/December event, where the filmmaker's new movie Milk will be premiered.

Milk stars Sean Penn as pioneering gay politician Harvey Milk.

Michelle Byrd, boss of Gotham organisers Ifp, tells Daily Variety, "Gus is that rare director who has achieved a steady balance between his independent roots and mainstream filmmaking."

The Ifp is also launching an initiative to encourage gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual filmmakers, by donating video cameras and scheduling training and mentoring sessions at New York's Harvey Milk High School - opened in tribute to Milk.

moonshine

12-09-2008, 10:50 PM

Seeing Reds Albums:

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SEEIN' RED (A.K.A. DIRECT ACTION) - 7" EP - 1991
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SEEIN' RED - LP- 1990
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SPLIT 7" EP WITH SANCTIONS - 1991
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IT TAKES FIVE FINGERS TO MAKE A FIST - COMPILATION 7" EP - 1995
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MORE OF THE SAME - 7" EP - YELLOW STICKER - 1995
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CHERNOBYL: ENDLESS TRAGEDY - COMPILATION CD -1996

moonshine

12-09-2008, 10:51 PM

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TALKING LIBERTIES - COMPILATION 7" EP - 1997
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(UNTITLED) - SPLIT 7" EP WITH ÖPSTAND - 1997
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THE 51 COMP - COMPILATION LP - 1997
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SPLIT CD WITH MK ULTRA - 1998
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SPLIT 12" WITH THE JUDAS ISCARIOT - EUROPEAN COVER - 1999
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SPLIT 12" WITH THE JUDAS ISCARIOT - USA COVER - 1999
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SONGS FROM THE GUTTER 7" COMP EP - YELLOW COVER - 1998
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X-TREEM CD COMP. -1999
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CAN'T STOP THIS TRAIN CD COMP -1999
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SPLIT 7" EP WITH HUMAN ALERT - 2001

moonshine

12-09-2008, 10:52 PM

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MAXIMAAL ONTHAAL COMP CD - 2002
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SPLIT 7" EP WITH THE NOW-DENIAL - 2002
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SPLIT 10" EP WITH SHIKARI - 2002
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HISTERIA COMP - 12" LP - 2002
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KANGEROO COMP 7" EP - 2004

moonshine

13-09-2008, 01:39 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRGyaS3JSQs

Lyrics

I'm seein' red
Don't think you'll have to see my face again
don't have much time for sympathy
Cuz it never happened to me
You feelin' blue now
I think you bit off more than you could chew
And now it's time to make a choice
And all I wanna hear is your...
So follow the leader down
And swallow your pride and drown
When there's no place left to go
Maybe that's when you will know
Follow the leader down
And swallow your pride and drown
When there's no place left to go
Maybe that's when you will know
And foolish lies well can't you see
I tried to compromise
Cuz what you say ain't always true
And I can see the tears in your eyes
And what you said now
Can't stop the words from running through my head
And what I do to get through to you
But you'd only do it again
So follow the leader down
And swallow your pride and drown
When there's no place left to go
Maybe that's when you will know
Follow the leader down
And swallow your pride and drown
When there's no place left to go
Maybe that's when you will know
Well I confess, I don't know what to make from all this mess
Don't have much time for sympathy
But it never happened to me
You feelin' down I don't know where i'll be when you come around
And now it's time to make a choice,
And all I wanna hear is your voice...

moonshine

13-09-2008, 01:48 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff4an7i1o78

Lyrics

they're dropping bombs again
and they're doing it in your name
all the rational commentaries
in the papers than i read
marmalade and buttered toast
and smell of sunday roast
kiss the arse of uncle sam
oh to be an englishman

when you hear the sound of warning
when the only colour is red
red sky in the morning
everywhere i'm seeing red

dawn brings a day of hell
hours that we pawn and sell
a single magpie in the tree
one for sorrow one for me
kick it off the cliff i said
now the line fucks up my head
too late to change this mode
break all my moral codes

when you hear the sound of warning
when the only colour is red
red sky in the morning
everywhere i'm seeing red

running from myself again
and all i feel is shame
it doesn't matter where i go
everywhere still looks the same
this sense of emptiness
as we create this mess
self-destructive tendencies
are what you mean to me

when you hear the sound of warning
when the only colour is red
red sky in the morning
everywhere i'm seeing red

moonshine

13-09-2008, 02:26 AM

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“The tattoo is not something Victoria wanted him to go ahead with as she felt it would not be a good start to their time in LA, but David was adamant that he would show his true feelings about the move and stop covering it up, even if it is rather cryptic,” the source added.

The three words are inscribed next to another symbolic piece Beckham apparently wanted to reflect who he feels he has been for the past ten years - a Knight Templar, symbolised by a cross.

The Templar Knights, recognisable by their white mantle with distinct red cross, are for David the symbols of him and the England team.

He asked the tattoo artist to etch the Knight Templar on his arm as he “feels the knights were the best equipped, trained, and disciplined fighting units of the Crusades, just as he has always tried to be as a footballer representing his team of knights”
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The main tattoo on the forearm is a giant angel whose wings meet with the other tattoos. The angel also holds a flame in her hand. Also the words “Let them hate me as long as they fear me” which is a quote by the Roman emperor Tiberius.

niall

13-09-2008, 03:58 PM

To me it seems obvious that beckham is mkultra. He'll endorse any illuminati product thats he told to.
This is a quote from this website: http://www.bobbycharltonsoccerschools.com.au/dbs.html

" David Beckham was a star pupil at the Bobby Charlton Soccer Schools from 1986-1988.
He first came to Bobby Charlton Soccer Schools as an 11 year old in 1986. During his time with us, David was tested on the Bobby Charlton Soccer Schools Skills Tests. He gained top place in his coaching group and went through to our National Skills Final held at Old Trafford, Manchester United ".

I wonder what "tested" involved?

Beckham with one of his handlers.
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/623/davidbeckham3tk5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/davidbeckham3tk5.jpg/1/w230.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img385/davidbeckham3tk5.jpg/1/)

And another one.
http://www.bobbycharltonsoccerschools.com.au/images/beckham.jpg

And his most important handler of all! Mr scientology Cruise himself and his slave wife.
http://www.fadedyouthblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/lion-for-lambs-premiere-in-los-angeles1.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/670/thelegionsmallyi8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/thelegionsmallyi8.jpg/1/w400.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img521/thelegionsmallyi8.jpg/1/)

hunkahunka

13-09-2008, 04:47 PM

http://flickr.com/photos/chasdobie/2447545474/

http://pichostonline.com/u/080912/c2751a07b2.jpg (http://pichostonline.com/)

the above photo is of Wilde's hard core gay bondage supplies and porn shop, one of the Bank St. businesses involved in the campaign to have the surrounding neighborhood officially declared 'the gay village' by the municipal government of Ottawa, Ontario. (someone's got money. notice that the right part of the upper floor apparently is just boarded up & being used as a junk attic or warehouse. Pretty expensive real estate, right on Bank St. downtown, and whoever owns this building can afford to junk this valuable real estate that usually would be rented out for residential or commercial use). Look closely at the central part above 'Wildes', with ALL the windows boarded up, and the occult ritual mask figures boarding up what apparently may have been windows; it looks as though as many as six windows in the central part may be boarded up/bricked in. (wonder what goes on in there on certain dates)

brown velvet

13-09-2008, 10:08 PM

Alice in Wonderland syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_syndrome) (AIWS, named after the novel written by Lewis Carroll), also known as Todd's syndrome[1], is a disorienting neurological condition which affects human perception. Sufferers may experience micropsia, macropsia, and/or size distortion of other sensory modalities. A temporary condition, it is often associated with migraines, brain tumours, and the use of psychoactive drugs. It can also present as the initial sign of the Epstein-Barr Virus (see infectious mononucleosis).

No studies are available that display any correlation between age, gender or race. AIWS is thought to be relatively common within the community of migraine sufferers.

Signs and symptoms
Eye components are entirely normal. The AIW syndrome is a result of change in perception as opposed to the eyes themselves malfunctioning. The hallmark sign of AIWS is a migraine, and may in part be caused by the symptom itself. Using psychoactive drugs (notably dextromethorphan) may also produce micropsia. Although mostly limited to the eyes, AIWS also affects the sufferer's sense of touch, hearing and sometimes one's own body image.

I have Alice In Wonderland syndrome (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/feb/16/healthandwellbeing.familyandrelationships)
Richard Hemsley (http://rikkus.info/rikkus.html)
The Guardian,
Saturday February 16 2008

When it first happened, I was a 21-year-old undergraduate. I had been up late the night before writing my dissertation and drinking a lot of coffee, but on that particular morning I was stone cold sober and hangover-free. I stood up, reached down to pick up the TV remote control from the floor and felt my foot sink into the ground. Glancing down, I saw that my leg was plunging into the carpet. It was a disturbing sensation, but it lasted only a few seconds, so I put it down to over-tiredness and forgot all about it.
It wasn't long, however, before I started experiencing more extreme spatial distortions. Floors either curved or dipped, and when I tried walking on them, it felt as though I was staggering on sponges. When I lay in bed and looked at my hands, my fingers stretched off half a mile into the distance. These bizarre episodes were starting to happen more often, but because I was under pressure to finish my degree and get a job, I continued to put them to one side, figuring they must be stress-related or indicative of poor sleeping or diet.
I graduated and took a job as a system administrator in a new town, but instead of going away, my symptoms just got worse. Everything was now distorted, all the time. Walking down the road, parked cars appeared the size of Corgi models, while I'd feel disproportionately tall. At work, my chair seemed enormous, while I seemed to have shrunk.
Seeing the world through a fisheye lens made day-to-day life very difficult. Unable to judge distances accurately, I would often move clumsily or overcompensate. Soon I found it a struggle to leave the house; I had difficulty correctly perceiving the ground, so walking was tricky. If I didn't think about it I was OK, but as soon as I did, I found myself slumping and struggling to walk in a straight line. Crossing the road began to feel dangerous; when I saw a car coming, I had no idea what size it was, or how far away.
By now I was wondering what on earth was wrong with me. My GP reassured me that there wasn't anything the matter psychologically, suggesting instead that I was suffering from migraines. But painkillers proved ineffective and an MRI scan revealed nothing. Unable to cope with a job any more, I moved back in with my parents. It was there that I caught the tail-end of a TV documentary in which a woman complained of exactly my symptoms. It was the first I'd heard of Alice In Wonderland Syndrome. Identifying my problem gave me some hope of a cure, but neither my doctor nor neurologist could find any medical record of the condition. The prevailing message was that I'd just have to learn to live with it.
For a while I sat around at home, living off my savings, but after a couple of years I started working again from home. This gave me an income, but for the best part of a decade I was unable to enjoy the kind of personal life I wanted. I like going out at least once a week to socialise and relax, but my symptoms made these nights out more painful than enjoyable. In conversation, I would become terrified that an overload of odd perceptions would make me seize up or stop talking altogether.
I'm 31 now and, thankfully, experience spatial distortions only about once a month. I haven't driven a car for a long time, but I've got a job and a girlfriend, and we've bought a house, so I'm not yearning for an explanation or a miracle cure in the way that I was. I'm still no wiser about what the catalyst was for me - perhaps too much coffee, perhaps too long in a darkened room programming computers - or maybe it was to do with my age: a lot of people get AIWS when they're six or seven and grow out of it.
Whatever the reason, my AIWS is now at a level that enables me to lead a relatively normal life, so I've learned to accept it. Undoubtedly the syndrome has made my life infinitely more challenging, but there is one part of it that I really enjoyed: sometimes, especially shortly after waking up, I would experience a kind of binocular vision. Lying in bed, I would find myself staring out of the window, watching crows flying over trees 100m away, but able to see the details on each bird and treetop as if they were at arm's length. That particular side-effect seems to have stopped now, and I almost miss it.

AIW site (http://aiws.info/)

After trying numerous drugs, enduring several hospitalizations and a number of doctors (one tried to tell me my son must be mentally ill) we finally found a drug that worked. Neurology at the [clinic] suggested Periactin - an old antihistamine. After one pill my son's vision was normal up to about 7 feet. After two pills he was completely normal. He has been symptom free for several weeks now.

Grimm Fairy Tales (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimm_Fairy_Tales):
Starting in May 2007, a Grimm Fairy Tales spin-off and limited series called Return to Wonderland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimm_Fairy_Tales#Grimm_Fairy_Tales:_Return_to_Won derland) debuted. Written by Raven Gregory, the series tells the tale of Alice Liddle, the heroine of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, and her teenage daughter, Calie Liddle (an anagram of "Alice").[1]
Alice is no longer the little girl who fell down the rabbit hole and discovered Wonderland. Now an adult, she once tried to commit suicide by slitting her wrists. Mentally disturbed and in a dream-like state, her only link to reality is the disturbing white rabbit that she clings to. Calie, not