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accuracy
04-01-2010, 08:20 AM
I got the whip on you guys to crack the
1,000,000 posts in this thread!!

accuracy :D :D:) :)

hunkahunka
04-01-2010, 10:36 AM
Hi Hunkahunka & Soulja, I hope my post toward foo fighters lyrics makes sense. What are your opinion on the subject ?



thanks for your tip on Chinatown, I will definitely watch that, and your observations on a possible or probable connection between Allen Wrench, Dave Grohl, and CL are interesting. Its cool to have a place where people
can speculate and throw out ideas, where so much information is shared
and considered.

hunkahunka
04-01-2010, 10:40 AM
I got the whip on you guys to crack the
1,000,000 posts in this thread!!


you mean 1,000,000 views? By my estimation, this thread
will have over 1,000,000 views about a month from now.

hunkahunka
05-01-2010, 10:38 AM
video:

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/35131/MK_Ultra__Fluoride_and_DMT/

menolikey
06-01-2010, 02:40 AM
Hey Hunka...watching this thread intently....what do you think of the Rivers Cuomo/Cobain thing? (Not to throw you off)

hunkahunka
06-01-2010, 02:08 PM
http://www.archive.org/details/IconoclastReportInterview

audio:


http://celticrebel.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/icriconoclast.jpg?w=480&h=60

Iconoclast Report Interview The Celtic Rebel

November 14, 2009 interview of the Celtic Rebel on The Iconoclast Report with Carolyn Harris. The program was entitled "Social Engineering, monarch programming, the media and you" and the topics included: Fritz Springmeier, Disney World, Lindsey Lohan, Little Miss Sunshine, the whorification agenda, the gay agenda, sex slavery, androgyny, MK-Ultra and much more.

listen here:

http://www.archive.org/download/IconoclastReportInterview/IconoclastReportInterview_vbr.m3u

http://www.oraclebroadcasting.com/images/iconoclast.gif
show archives:
http://www.oraclebroadcasting.com/archives.php?who=Iconoclast_Report

hunkahunka
09-01-2010, 02:01 AM
Burned Body in trash identified as former Playboy model

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/CRIME/01/07/florida.model.death/story.palua.sladewski.courtesy.jpg


(CNN) -- Paula Sladewski, a 26-year-old who once modeled for Playboy, was identified Wednesday by Miami police as the person found dead and "burned beyond recognition" in a trash bin on Sunday.

Now, police are asking for the public's help to put her killer behind bars. Whoever the murderer is, police said, they are nothing short of a "monster."

"It's so horrific. They'd have to be a monster. It's a dastardly act," North Miami police spokesman Lt. Neal Cuevas told CNN. "It's the most heinous thing that a person can do to another person."

Sladewski's body was found Sunday night after firefighters extinguished flames coming from a large trash bin near a propane business.

When they put out the fire, they saw a body. But there was barely any way to identify it.

"It was just total, total, disfigurement," Cuevas told CNN. "You couldn't even tell that it was a woman or a man or even what race."

Cuevas, who was in the area when the call came in, said the trash bin and body were still smoldering when he arrived. Police were able to identify the body through dental records late Tuesday night, he said.

Police are trying to figure out how a model from Michigan, who appeared in a 2003 Playboy video, ended up burned beyond recognition inside the trash bin -- and who put her there.

"This was a brutal, horrible, disgusting murder, and this monster or these monsters need to be brought to justice," Cuevas said.
Video: Grisly model murder

The only timeline police have comes from Sladewski's boyfriend, who was vacationing with her. Because he was the last one to see her, police are considering him a person of interest, but he has not been named as a suspect.

Police said they would consider whoever was the last known person to see her alive a person of interest. Right now, they have no suspects, Cuevas said.

The boyfriend is "devastated and traumatized" by news of the death, said his attorney, Marc Beginin.

"He desperately wants this crime solved and anybody involved brought to justice," Beginin said.

The boyfriend, whom police did not identify, reported Sladewski missing to police and also tried to find her by calling hospitals and jails, interviewing people and hiring a private investigator, Beginin said. The boyfriend also has met with investigators for 12 hours, the attorney said.

"The Miami police are pursuing all leads and doing their jobs. However, ultimately, he doesn't need to be a person of interest," he said.

The couple arrived in Miami on Thursday to ring in the new year by watching Lady Gaga perform, police said.
It's so horrific. They'd have to be a monster. It's a dastardly act.
--Lt. Neal Cuevas, police spokesman

Cuevas told CNN that Sladewski's boyfriend said they went to Club Space on Saturday and remained until about 7 a.m. Sunday, when they got into an argument.

When he was thrown out of the club after the altercation, Sladewski decided to stay, her boyfriend told police.

That was the last time her boyfriend saw her, according to police. Cuevas said when Sladewski did not return to their hotel by Monday, her boyfriend called police and filed a missing person report.

Sladewski's sister, Kelly Farris, was battling back tears at a news conference Wednesday night. She said her sister had been dating the man for about two years, and he had called her Monday to say she was missing.

Farris said she had last seen her sister, who lived in Michigan and California, at Christmas.

"She loved life, she was full of life," Farris said, beginning to sob. "She went on a lot of vacations. She was a great person."
She loved life, she was full of life.
--Kelly Farris, Sladewski's sister

Farris said her family was devastated by the news of Sladewski's death, especially given the nature of how she was found.

"I couldn't imagine anything like this happening, you know," Farris said. "We can't even give her an open casket. We can't even see her again."

Farris pleaded with anyone who saw her sister at the club or afterward to contact police.

"She did not deserve to die in this way," she said.

And until her sister's killer is found, Farris said she can't imagine what she will do.

"I can't see myself going back to work," Farris said. "I can't see myself living a normal life until I know whoever did this pays for it."

hunkahunka
09-01-2010, 11:35 AM
audio:

http://www.radioliberty.com/weblite4.jpg


January 7th, 2010





Stan Monteith of Radio Liberty interviews retired FBI agent Ted Gunderson on satanism in America:

http://wakingjonah.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/stan-monteith.jpg
http://www.libertyandjusticeforall.tv/images/IllumGunderson.jpg



Listen here:
http://radiolibertyarchives.gsradio.net:8080/010710d.mp3


*****

hunkahunka
09-01-2010, 12:09 PM
video:

Is the Gay Agenda a Zionist NeoCon one?

http://vodpod.com/watch/2273551-wntube-is-the-gay-agenda-a-zionist-neocon-one

hunkahunka
09-01-2010, 12:17 PM
video:

In Focus: 11/30/09- Jim Schneider; Obama's Gay Agenda (discusses Lady Gaga, etc.)

In Focus: 11/30/09- Jim Schneider; Obama's Gay Agenda on Vimeo

hunkahunka
09-01-2010, 07:17 PM
check out this literal ring of munchkin daycare centers surrounding
Danvers/Salem:

http://maps.google.ca/maps?gbv=2&hl=en&q=danvers%20munchkins&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

boston cann
09-01-2010, 09:34 PM
http://www.mikecann.net/2010/01/courtney-love-cobain-back-on-twitter.html
Courtney Love Cobain's recent allegations

boston cann
09-01-2010, 09:36 PM
http://www.mikecann.net/2009/12/what-do-britney-spears-and-frances-bean.html

What do Britney Spears and Frances Bean Cobain have in common? A judge and a lawyer.

onourwayto2012
10-01-2010, 02:41 PM
check out this literal ring of munchkin daycare centers surrounding
Danvers/Salem:

http://maps.google.ca/maps?gbv=2&hl=en&q=danvers%20munchkins&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

That's nuts! If there's nothing going on there I'll munch my kin!

hunkahunka
12-01-2010, 12:26 PM
http://www.privateislandsmag.com/wp-content/gallery/singer-castle/singer1.jpg
Singer Castle on Dark Island

A part of American history and local folklore meet at Singer Castle on Dark Island, located on the St. Lawrence Seaway. Singer Castle is the only castle on our river to be completed, fully furnished and resided in during the heyday of the 'great builders' and industrials in New York. The Castle remained in the possession of the original Bourne family from its construction in 1905 until the mid 1960's. Singer Castle An American Tale Tons of granite quarried from nearby Oak Island were brought over ice and water in 1902-1904 to construct Singer Castle (and at the same time Boldt Castle). Mr. Frederick Gilbert Bourne who resided at the Dakota Apartments, New York City was a self-made millionaire. Bourne worked his way up in the business to the head offices of the Singer Sewing Machine Company and became its Director and President at the young age of 36. Bourne also held the position of Commodore of the New York Yacht Club.

The Castle, originally called "The Towers", served as the perfect setting for entertaining Bourne's contemporaries, personalities no less famous as Cornelius Vanderbilt and Vincent Astor. Bourne was fond of fast automobiles and speed boats and like to travel at a very fast pace.

http://graphics.worldweb.com/PhotoImages/Articles/USA/BoldtCastle_TIBA1.jpg
Boldt Castle was constructed at the same time as Singer Castle, both castles using granite quarried from Oak Island. Boldt castle was built for George Boldt, proprietor of the Astoria Hotel, which was
built by John Astor.


how interesting that the Bohemian Club was originally located in the Astor Hotel
in San Francisco:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080726064405/www.isgp.eu/organisations/Bohemian_Grove.htm
Bohemian Grove | Membership list | Camps list | Symbolism
Summer hideout for America's right-wing establishment

The Bohemian Grove is one of the more important places in the United States where businessmen, politicians, army officers, and scientists can sit around with each other and talk about anything they're interested in. Although networking officially is not allowed, business deals can always be discussed behind a couple of trees; and the expression "makes it easier to pick up the phone" has been mentioned more than once. Politics can be discussed openly and whether a particular candidate is liked by the Bohemians or not can make or break his career. About 85% of the Bohemian Grove members are from California.


1970s or 1980s, dinner in the forest.

On this page you can find a short historical timeline of the Bohemian Grove, a list of some of the relatively recent visitors of camp Mandalay, an analysis of the British visitors, and the layout and location of the Bohemian Grove itself. The membership list included with this article consists of almost 600 names, all of them with biographies, some more extensive than others. There's a separate list of the 104 Bohemian Grove camps. At the bottom of this article you can find many cached references in which a lot of the names in the membership list can be found.

Brief timeline of the Bohemian Club and the Bohemian Grove.
1872 The Bohemian Club is organized in San Francisco as a gathering place for men who like the arts and literature. The clubhouse is located in the Astor Hotel on Sacramento Street and the owl is chosen as the club's symbol.

1874 The Club has 182 members.
1875 The Bohemian Club's motto, "Weaving spiders, come not here", first appears on a Club announcement. It was taken from Shakespeare's "A midsummer Night's Dream".

1877 The Club has outgrown the Astor Hotel and moves to 430 Pine Street in San Francisco.

1878 In 1878, several dozen Bohemians hold a Jinks in the forest in Sonoma County near what is now known as Camp Taylor (California Historical Society, Bohemian Club 1947). This was the start of a long Bohemian tradition of trekking to the Sonoma County redwoods during July and August of each year for camping and self entertainment.

1882 The Club's patron saint becomes John of Nepomuk. The legend says that St. John was killed in 1393 at the orders of Wenceslaus IV, King of the Bohemians & King of the Holy Roman Empire, because he didn't want to disclose the confessional secrets of Queen Johanna of Bohemia. Today, St. John symbolizes the right to privacy of the Bohemians.
1885 The extremely successful Joseph D. Redding is elected president of the Bohemian Club. He will devise the Cremation of Care in 1893. Where he got his inspiration for the ceremony isn't clear. Redding is a very successful attorney for the Southern Pacific Railroad Company, which is owned by the Rockefeller-connected Pilgrims Society families of Harriman & Harkness. Redding is considered a musical genius. (2) More details on this in the article that deals with the symbolism surrounding the Bohemian Grove. Also more information in the membership list.
1887 The Club has 561 members, which are a combination of literary figures and San Francisco businessmen. Among them are 4 members of the Crocker banking family, 3 Spreckles, William Randolph Hearst, Bay Area shipbuilder Arthur W. Moore, columnist and writer Ambrose Bierce, writer Henry George, and 14 officers from the Army and Navy. Other Bohemian Club writers are Charles K. Field, Ina Coolbrith, Bret Harte, Daniel O'Connell, and Mark Twain.
1892 The 70 ft. high Buddha statue is built within the Sequoia Valley, now known as the Bohemian Grove. It is modeled after the Daibutsu of Kamakura, the Great Buddha from Japan. The statue used to be part of the Cremation of Care.
1893 Joseph D. Redding creates the Cremation of Care and serves as High Priest of Bohemia during this ceremony. Within a couple of years he will move his business to New York where he again becomes part of 'high society'. The Bohemian Club starts renting a piece of land in the Sequoia Valley from the Sonoma Lumber Company. They will do this until 1899 when they make their first land purchase.
1899 The Bohemian Club buys a 160 acre piece of land in the Sequoia Valley, today known as the Bohemian Grove. The Club will make twenty-eight purchases of land over a 67 year period. Today it owns 2,712 acres. The New York Times writes two articles about the Cremation of Care and how impressive it is.
1905 The Washington Post reads: "The Taft party to-day visited the Bohemian grove of redwoods...", which is the first reference I have seen to presidents visiting the Bohemian Grove.
1913 The Cremation of Care ceremony is moved to the first weekend of the encampment.
1914 The Bohemian Club has 1259 members, of which 787 resident members, 241 non-resident members, 19 Navy officers, 49 Army officers, 29 faculty members, 114 associate members, and 20 honorary members.
mid 1920's The Lake is built. It is about 100 feet wide and 400 feet long. Or for everybody outside of the United States: 30 meters wide and 124 meters long.
1929 The concrete owl is built and there are 169 camps in the Bohemian Grove.
summer 1933 The Club takes up residence at the Sir Francis Drake Hotel when the dismantling of the old clubhouse begins. The club has grown to about 2000 members. A large new Club House is opened the following year.
1941 Membership drops to 1643 due to World War II.
1981 The Lake is relined with earth and concrete. It has an artificial waterfall tumbling into it, and water lilies are kept in natural-looking patterns by water jets embedded in the lake bottom. The only natural aspect to the lake is the early morning mist rising off of it every morning.
1994 There are 124 camps in the Bohemian Grove.

Many camps in the Bohemian Grove contain very prestigious visitors. You have camps like

July 23, 1950, Eisenhower, Hoover, Edward Teller, and Ernest Lawrence in one of the camps of the Bohemian Grove. Cave Man, Hideaway, Hill Billies, Hillside, Isle of Aves, Lost Angels, Mandalay, Midway, Owl's Nest, Sempervirens, Silverado Squatters, and Stowaway. Mandalay seems to be the camp for international relations and consists of many members officially or otherwise connected to the intelligence agencies. Mandalay is the only camp you cannot just walk into, and before you are allowed on the compound someone will ask you who you have an appointment with. If you're cleared for access, you are taken up the hill with an electric pulley, designed by Bechtel. Many members
of camps like Hill Billies or Stowaway (Rockefellers and Morgans) have been to Mandalay at one time or another.


I could not find a pic or drawing of the original Astor Hotel in San Francisco,
but it was part of the Astor hotel chain, including the Hotel Astor in New York,
Waldorf Astoria , etc.
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/MID/MID125E-Hotel_Astor3.jpg

http://www.adena.com/adena/mo/chride.jpg

http://www.toonopedia.com/pennybag.jpg

hunkahunka
12-01-2010, 01:03 PM
Chattanooga Choo Choo - Glenn Miller Orchestra - YouTube



http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/picture-51.png

hunkahunka
12-01-2010, 01:12 PM
informative link on Bohemian Grove symbolism , the ancient occult
etc.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080803210427/www.isgp.eu/organisations/Bohemian_Grove_symbolism.htm

hunkahunka
13-01-2010, 06:28 PM
http://www.coffeerooms.com/tv/entry_pics/Jesse-Ventura-Pointing.jpg
former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura
http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hause011/image/jesse_guv.jpg

I was listening to the Alex Jones Show today, and heard that the new television show with Jesse Ventura , called Conspiracy Theory, did a show on mind control very recently.
Here it is:

video:

Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura - Manchurian Candidate (Part 1/6)

Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura - Manchurian Candidate (Part 1/6) - YouTube

Part 2
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.



Part 3
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Authors and experts warn that forces within the government have revived a program that uses mind control techniques to turn ordinary citizens into programmed assassins. This real-life Manchurian Candidate seems outlandish-until Jesse Ventura searches for the evidence and goes face-to-face with a man who claims he's one of the killers.

Part 4
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.



Part 5
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Part 6
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

btw, Alex Jones was originally asked to host a network television show like this, but turned
it down because he wanted to maintain control and not be obligated or
censored.

see every episode of Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura online here:
http://www.conspiracytheoryjesseventura.com/

http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/trutv.com/graphics/shows/conspiracy_theory/gallery/investigation/11.jpg

http://freedomfromthepress.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Jesse-Ventura-TruTV.jpg

hunkahunka
14-01-2010, 12:22 PM
video:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3gk0c_rambos-cia-leak-movie_news

The death of Burmese warlord Khun Sa serves one of the few remaining links between Washington's Central Intelligence Agency and the trafficking of heroin out of Southeast Asia's famed Golden Triangle... In one of the CIA's more foul operations, its agents used its Air America airline to fly out Golden Triangle heroin. The drug was sold to corrupt South Vietnamese and Thai politicians who then peddled it to GIs in South Vietnam and to a booming population of addicts in America.

hunkahunka
14-01-2010, 12:58 PM
http://www.noonehastodietomorrow.com/war/afghanistan/1831-1831

Are America's Mercenary Armies Really Drug Cartels?

By Gordon Duff , on 12-29-2009


News out of Afghanistan, Pakistan and India; massive corruption reported at the highest levels of government, corruption that could only be financed with drug money. The Afghanistan president's brother is known to be one of the biggest drug runners in the world.

In Pakistan, President Zardani is found with 60 million in a Swiss Bank and his Interior Minister is suspected of ties to American groups involved in paramilitary operations, totally illegal that could involve nothing but drugs, there is no other possibility.

Testimony in the US that our government has used "rendition" flights to transport massive amounts of narcotics to Western Europe and the United States has been taken in sworn deposition.

American mercenaries in Pakistan are hundreds of miles away from areas believed to be hiding terrorists, involved in "operations" that can't have anything whatsoever to do with any CIA contract. These mercenaries aren't in Quetta, Waziristan or FATA supporting our troops, they are in Karachi and Islamabad playing with police and government officials and living the life of the fatted calf.

The accusations made are that Americans in partnership with corrupt officials, perhaps in all 3 countries, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India, are involved in assassinations, "unknown" criminal activities and are functioning like criminal gangs.

There is no oil. There is nothing to draw people into the area other than one product, one that nobody is talking about. Drugs.

The US got involved in massive drug operations, importation, processing and distribution during the Reagan years, supposedly to finance covert CIA operations involving death squads tasked with murdering Sandinista "infrastructure" in Nicaragua.

The deal involved Israel, Iran and the Colombian cartel. Saddam was even involved. In the end, President Reagan was put on the stand only to remember little or nothing of his tenure in office. Lt. Col. Oliver North was convicted as was Secretary of Defense Weinberger and many others. Pardons and "other methods" were used to keep the guilty out of jail.

Now we find what was supposed to be a CIA operation with one company only, Xe, operations that were meant to hunt a couple of terrorist/Taliban leaders in and around Quetta, a city of 1 million in remote Baluchistan has turned into a honeycomb of operations involving millions of dollars and personnel of all kinds, perhaps even ranking diplomats and high government officials, the highest.

The cover of hunting terrorists in remote areas with hundreds of armed men in cities on the other side of the country, cities filled with 5 star hotels, country clubs, polo, cricket and fine restaurants is not really cover, even by CIA standards.

The reports, bribes, and actions that look and smell like drug gangs at work, tell a story that nobody wants to talk about.

With 50 billion dollars of opium from Afghanistan alone and crops in Pakistan and India also, managing the world's heroin supply is, by my estimation, how all of this "muscle" is staying busy. When you see a black van full of armed men, is there a sign somewhere saying:

"We are counter terrorists working for the Central Intelligence Agency and we are only in town here, hundreds of miles from the nearest terrorist because we need a hot shower and to get a noise in the transmission checked out."

Everyone can choose to believe what they want. It's time we stopped lying. Its about drugs, always has been, always will, drugs and money. It buys men, it buys guns and it can buy governments and has, as anyone with eyes can see.

http://www.noonehastodietomorrow.com/images/stories/xeoveraffy.jpg

turquoisefire777
15-01-2010, 05:05 PM
http://www.cotygonzales.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/60-lucifer-sixpack.jpg
http://www.cotygonzales.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/60-lucifer-sixpack.jpg


and

http://www.cotygonzales.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/004-livelifedeath.jpg

http://www.kneedeepinsleep.com/product/31

boston cann
15-01-2010, 07:51 PM
http://www.mikecann.net/2010/01/jay-z-doesnt-understand-why-people.html

Jay Z doesn't understand why people think he worships the devil

hunkahunka
16-01-2010, 05:57 PM
video:

Phantom of the paradise(Beef Intro) - YouTube

dezkillaz
17-01-2010, 03:45 PM
New Massive Attack's artwork reminds me of something...

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3127/heligoland.jpg

maybe inspired by something like... http://cubimension.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/clockwork-orange.jpg

hunkahunka
18-01-2010, 12:04 AM
New Massive Attack's artwork reminds me of something...

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3127/heligoland.jpg

maybe inspired by something like... http://cubimension.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/clockwork-orange.jpg

notable similarity there, killaz

hunkahunka
18-01-2010, 12:10 AM
audio:

Dr. Stan Monteith interviews Neil Brick on ritual abuse.

http://radiolibertyarchives.gsradio.net:8080/011510c.mp3


Neil Brick's site is:

http://ritualabuse.us/

hunkahunka
18-01-2010, 01:34 AM
video:

Beyond the Dutroux Affair - YouTube


Rich & powerful occult behind spate of missing/dead children

It is my opinion that satanic cult activity is
far more prevalent than is readily accepted by the general public or
reported by the media, and that this perception is due to a concerted
effort by the rich and powerful occult from the highest political and social and economic
strata of western society to conceal their activities from the public.
>From the Pickton murders in B.C., to the Bernardo genre killings in

Ontario, the numbers are larger than the public knows, and usually blamed on a fall guy , a
'serial killer' , when the bodies are linked to a common location. It is my opinion that
'procurers' and 'caretakers' in organized crime take the fall for the wealthy cultists whom they
supply with fresh victims.

I have been researching the Paul Bernardo murders and found evidence
that Bernardo was a secret member of the Freemasons, a highly
secretive organization. The link to that information:
http://freemasonrywatch.org/paulbernardo.html

There were occult and satanic aspects to the Bernardo killings (and a
large number of 'unsolved' oddly similar crimes in the area at that time period. )
Very few people know of the satanic killings and videotapings in Belgium that
were pinned on one man and his accomplice. The reality has emerged
that Dutroux and his network (mafia) procured (for the wealthy) young
girls for use by wealthy customers in child prostitution, child porn,
rape porn, and satanic ritual sacrifice. There is proof that many
Belgian girls were murdered by groups of people in Belgium, that they
paid large sums to be provided girls, and that these murders were not
committed by 'lone nuts' as is the common explanation worldwide.
Details of that case (Belgium) follow later in this piece.

I will begin with Bernardo, because many people in Canada have also
been kept unaware of the satanic aspects to the Bernardo murders and the e
eery similarity of the Bernardo and Pickton cases in Canada with the circumstances and
facts of the Belgian murders.

There are satanic aspects to the Bernardo killings that remain largely
unknown. For example, Leslie Mahaffy was abducted the evening of the day that
she attended a funeral wake for four high school friends who had burned
alive in a car crash on 1st side road in Burlington. Her body was buried in a cemetery bordering
1st side road. Kristen French was then abducted in a city far away, St. Catharines.
murdered, and her body transported all the way from the City of St.
Catherines, through the City of Hamilton, and then left in a ditch in
the City of Burlington, a ditch on 1st side road, right exactly beside
the cemetery where Mahaffy was buried, and not far from where the teens
had burned alive in the crash. People connected to the deaths have
been 'suicided', including the father of one of the teens who died in
the fiery crash, and including Johnathon Yeo, who allegedly committed
suicide in police custody after being pursued to a mall parking lot and
cornered by police. (Yeo was the chief suspect in a pair of killings
that have at times been linked to Bernardo, incuding the murder of teen
Laurie Anderson )

Numerous articles and books have mentioned that a far larger series of
similar murders (location, M.O., time period, victim type etc.) have
oddly not been included in the official investigations and records of
the Bernardo killings. It has come out that police had enough evidence
to arrest Bernardo long before Karla Homolka turned him in, and some
speculate that Bernardo received some level of police protection during
the investigations.

Is all of this the work of one person? Or was Paul Bernardo the fall
guy, the patsy who took the rap in the coverup for a far larger group
of people and far more numerous series of crimes?
Why was Homolka able to bargain her way out of dangerous offender
status? What does she know about the true nature of the videotapes and
Bernardo's plans and potentially the others involved? Others with the
power to influence police investigations, and silence witnesses. Why the
Corrections Canada media ban on Paul Bernardo, which prevents him from
being interviewed by media and remains in effect to this day? Just
what is it that is being kept quiet here? Paul Bernardo was a master
Freemason (http://freemasonrywatch.org/paulbernardo.html) and it
appears that membership in this secret society, and pedophilia, may run
in the Bernardo family. Paul's grandfather was an Italian stone mason and
expert craftsman specializing in marble stone work and marble tiling.
Paul's father was a convicted pedophile and peeping tom who also had sex
with Paul's sister.

I have begun to look into a series of crimes that are remarkably
similar to the Bernardo killings, which occurred in Belgium during the exact time period .
In this case, a married man (Dutroux) was caught with two female
teen aged sex slaves caged in his basement and the bodies of four other victims
buried concealed beneath his property. His wife was charged as an accessory to the murders.

Like Dutroux, Paul Bernardo was married, and assisted by his wife in the killings, and.
like Dutroux, buried the body of one of his victims beneath the fresh concrete
of his garage floor.

The police also found videos of rapes at the Belgian man's (Dutroux) home,
exactly as had been the case with Bernardo. Bernardo had intended to
sell these tapes, and he had made them exactly the same year as these other
tapes had been made by Dutroux in Belgium . Bernardo made
these rape tapes with the intention of selling them, so he probably
already had a buyer in mind. (the same buyers who had made Dutroux wealthy
over the preceding decade ?) In the course of the Belgian trial it was disclosed that the
unemployed, uneducated Dutroux had for ten years had an undisclosed
source of lucrative income, and in fact owned a nice house and owned
several properties, including six or seven houses.

What is alarming is that emerging evidence reveals the source of his
income to be involvement in a wide-scale child prostitution/sex slave
ring, sadistic child pornography videos, including torture and rape,
and incredibly, satanic child-sacrifice. All of these services
provided to the wealthy occult upper crust of Belgium and Europe.
Dutroux was occult, and Dutroux was mafia. Dutroux had accomplices, and
customers.
Was this Bernardo's secret too? It is possible that the exact same
pattern was and is occurring in Canada, and that Bernardo was just a small
part of the picture. How many tapes were really made and sold? How many women
abducted and sold?

In Belgium, the coverup of this ring has reached to the highest
echelons of Belgian society. Politicians and witnesses have died for threatening to expose
the full extent of the sect, and the powerful, famous and rich people involved. The Belgian secret
service has gunned down witnesses in grocery stores , such are the stakes in this case.

This has wider-reaching implications for western society in general,
when one notes the secrecy that money can buy, and when one sees such
similarity of circumstances as such that surround the Bernardo case.
Botched investigations, lost evidence, secret deals, and of course
Bernardo's largely concealed connection to secret societies. Do we
really know the full Bernardo story?
Do we know the truth about occult activity in Canada? In North America?

Please read and enjoy the following information about what occurred in
Belgium less than ten years ago. , be warned that it is graphic.

Defence raise satanic cult
03/03/2004 09:19 - (SA)

Dutroux trial told of depravity

Media frenzy in Dutroux trial

Lawyers blast 'monster' label

'Most-hated man' goes on trial

Arlon - Lawyers for alleged Belgian child killer Marc Dutroux on
Tuesday evoked satanic cults, unreliable or missing witnesses and
troubling forensic evidence in their defence of the serial rapist.

Presenting a nine-page written statement at the trial in Arlon,
southeast Belgium, Dutroux's lead lawyer Xavier Magnee insisted that
his client could not have acted alone in the abductions, rape and
murders of several girls.

"Can people make you believe that there wasn't a paedophile ring? Would
we be the only country in the world where pedophiles are isolated
perverts?" Magnee told the court on the second day of hearings in the
long-awaited trial.

He said police forensic analysis had found traces of DNA from "a least
two or three unknown people" in the dungeon-like cellar at Marcinelle,
near the southern town of Charleroi, where Dutroux allegedly held six
girls captive.

Four of the girls died, and two were rescued, in a sequence of
discoveries in August 1996 that traumatised Belgium.

Opinion polls suggest that nearly 70% of Belgians are convinced that
Dutroux was part of a broader paedophile network than the four people
on trial in Arlon - Dutroux himself, his wife, a drug-addict friend and
a businessman.

"We see clearly in the (prosecution) dossier material proof that other
people than the accused here present frequented the cellar at
Marcinelle at the same time as the victims," Magnee said.

"The jury is only being presented with selected slices of the case."

Satanic cult

The lawyer also returned to an allegation - dismissed by prosecutors as

groundless - that a satanic cult was involved in the girls' abductions.

Police in August 1996 found a note at the home of Bernard Weinstein, an

accomplice who Dutroux has admitted murdering, which led them to
investigate the "Abrasax" organisation led by "high priestess"
Dominique Kindermans.

The Belgian press at the time speculated that the organisation was a
devil-worshipping sect that procured young girls for human sacrifices
at black masses.

Police, however, dismissed the apparent lead and said there was no
evidence against Kindermans to warrant such allegations.

The defence team also urged the court to consider the disappearance, in
sometimes violent or suspicious circumstances, of several witnesses
they said could shed better light on the fate of two eight-year-old
girls who allegedly starved to death in Dutroux's dungeon.

De Morgen, 8 January 1998
THE GIRL WHO GAVE BIRTH IN SECRET
by Annemie Bulté and Douglas de Coninck

The body of Carine Dellaert was found on 24 September 1985 in a septic
tank in Ghent. According to XI, the young girl had lived secretly
inside a network for a year after her disappearance. The autopsy report

and the investigation carried out at the time confirm XI's story on
several crucial points. The old investigation has been reopened, but
how long it will stay open is still uncertain.

Early in the morning a workman drove his bulldozer into the backyard of

"Le Neptune", an old café once frequented by sailors. The café,
situated along the Ghent-Terneuzen canal, had been abandoned for years
and was to be demolished that day, 24 September 1985. The work had just

begun when the workman lost control of the vehicle. The back wheel sank

into a hole by the side of the old toilets. When some Rhône-Poulenc
workers rushed over to help to right the bulldozer, the lid of the tank

caved in. They scrutinised the bottom out of curiosity. "We saw
something float to the surface," one of them recalls. "It was a knee."
A few hours later, Quai Kuhlman was swarming with nervous policemen.
The remains of an unidentified young girl had been found in the tank.
The body was in foetal position, bound with white electric wire, the
feet and hands tied. "The body was in a very advanced state of
decomposition," says another policeman. "We had to take the skeleton to

the lab in fragments." Not much remained of the young girl's clothes.
A gold ankle chain and a pearl necklace had been preserved. The
jewellery set off a signal in the mind of the Ghent deputy public
prosecutor Nicole De Rouck. She thought immediately of Carine Dellaert.

It was a strange case. She had disappeared on 30 August 1982.
Unexpectedly. Her older sister was ill in bed, her brother was playing
in the street, her mother was at work. Her father, Emile Dellaert, had
left home at 2 p.m. When her mother got home, Carine had left. There
was no trace of a struggle, no farewell letters. Nothing. A week went
by before Emile Dellaert reported his daughter as missing, on 7 September. This is why he was immediately regarded as a suspect.
Hardly
any searches were made. The child protection unit of the public
prosecutor's department followed the most plausible hypothesis, that
Carine had run away due to conflict in the family . For there had been
conflict. Her parents would get divorced soon after. In December 1983,
the Ghent investigating magistrate Pieters opened a criminal
investigation against Emile Dellaert. He was arrested and spent two
months in prison. In January 1986, he was released through lack of
evidence. In 1989 he was considered free of all suspicion. The file was

closed.

XI recognises Clo, her best friend.

At the end of 1996, some strange things went on in the financial
section (3rd Criminal Research Section) of the Brussels BSR.
Investigators from the Neufchâteau unit questioned witnesses until
late into the night. Occasionally the officers saw their colleagues
leave the room pale-faced.

The main cause of the trouble was witness XI. The young woman claimed
to have been the victim of a network that raped, tortured and killed
children in the seventies and eighties. "Many girls, like myself, never

knew anything different," she explained. "We grew up with it. We lived
in a sort of concentration camp." XI rejected the term
'paedophiles'. "The men who raped us weren't particularly
attracted by children. The only thing they were interested in was to go

beyond all limits from a sexual point of view. And children were
perfect for that. They kept quiet and did what was asked of them."

One of the girls XI got to know in the network was Clo. XI mentioned
her name during the first session of questioning, on 20 September 1996.

Clo, she explained, was no older than herself and also came from Ghent.

She was her best friend and comfort in this secret world. Just like XI,

Clo led a double life. She went to school normally, and couldn't
speak to anyone about the places she was taken to during the weekends.
XI met Clo regularly during orgies in Ghent and sometimes in Brussels.
XI couldn't say much more about Clo, except the name of her school.

During the fourth session of questioning, on 25 October, XI recounted
that the young girl had died thirteen years ago. XI gave a detailed
description of a scene she would have preferred to forget, but that
will mark her for the rest of her days. She situated the events between

June and December 1983. Clo was very heavily pregnant, she stated. XI
met her from time to time at a "party", but always at a certain
distance. None of the girls could have any contact with her.

On 25 October, in statement no. 116.018, XI said: "One day my procurer
came for me and blindfolded me to take me to a house near Ghent. There
were three other people in the house (XI gave the names of her
procurer, T.; a lawyer from Brussels and a Flemish burgomaster). T.
left me in a room where Clo was lying on a bed in the middle of labour.

I had to help her to give birth. She was bleeding a lot and suffering
terribly. I panicked because I was alone with no-one to help me. The
baby was only born a few hours later. It was a boy. I cut the umbilical

cord and placed the baby on Clo's belly. At that moment, T. returned
to the room and took the baby, while I stayed with Clo. She was losing
a lot of blood."

XI can only guess what happened then to Clo, because she had to leave
the house. Some men who had been in the back of the house all evening
took her to a Chinese restaurant in Bruges. XI thinks that her friend
died in her arms but she cannot be sure that she didn't live a little
longer and that the horrific scene did not continue.

Thanks to research carried out at "Clo's" school, the BSR
investigators managed to guess who she was. After that, BSR officers
Patrick De Baets and Philippe Hupez showed XI a series of class photos
from the year 1981-82. XI not only pointed to the photos of Carine
Dellaert, but also to another photo. According to XI, it was V. (she
gave her first name). She added: "They killed her, too. Clo told me
that she was called V."

During questioning on 25 October, statement no. 116.018, XI said: "This

happened in a house in Ghent. Clo was there, too [...] They tortured
her with knives and scissors. Someone broke a bottle and rubbed the
fragments into her vagina. Then they cut her in various places with
razor-blades."

After this session of questioning, they no longer knew where they were
at the 3rd Criminal Research Section. From a series of twenty photos,
XI had managed to pick out two girls who had died shortly afterwards.
After further research, the investigators not only came across the old
file on the murder of Carine Dellaert, but also information concerning
the second young girl. She was, in fact, called V., and had died in the

middle of 1983 in Ghent. As regards the list of people present
according to XI, some of the details were remarkable. As well as Michel

Nihoul and a woman who was arrested in the Dutroux case, XI named her
procurer T., the lawyer and the burgomaster mentioned above, and a
businessman from western Flanders and his son. XI could not establish
any links between all these people, except the fact that she had met
them on various occasions at orgies. The investigators carried out
research which showed that all the people present had professional
links of one sort or another, links that were not apparent at first
sight. The name of the man she indicated as Clo's "procurer" was also
remarkable. He had already appeared as a suspect in the old file at the

Ghent Public prosecutor's department. The man was known to the police
for a series of sexual crimes.

The Timperman report

When politicians today make comments and observations about the split
between "believers" and "non-believers", they are reviving a debate
that was born at the end of October 1996 within the 3rd Criminal
Research Section. XI's story triggered reactions that were far from
being rational. The public prosecutor Michel Bourlet invited the
investigators not to stop at the matter of whether they believed the
story or not, but to carry out their work in an objective manner.
According XI's statement, it seemed that Carine Dellaert had lived
one year after her disappearance, pregnant and hidden away. This must
be provable in one way or another. One detail is disturbing. Carine
Dellaert disappeared the day before the end of the school holidays in
1982. To "place" a girl in a network, this seems to be an ideal time.

If the search for the murderers of Carine Dellaert didn't lead to
very much at the time, it certainly wasn't because of Dr. Timperman.
In his 40-page autopsy report, he listed all the details of his
findings regarding the remains of the body. He was unable, due to the
state of the body, to estimate the date of death. One of the details he

noted initially caused some doubts about the identity of the victim.
The girl in the tank was much heavier than Carine Dellaert. She was
wearing a 90 cm. cup bra - a few sizes bigger than Carine. Dr.
Timperman found an explanation for this anomaly. The following extract
is taken from his report of 24 September 1985:

"At the level of the pelvis there is a small piece of soft, woody
tissue. It is a piece of "crayon laminaire", an old medical instrument
used to dilate the neck of the womb in order to facilitate the delivery

of a baby. This instrument is now rarely used because it causes great
pain for the mother."
"Presence in the bra of a small square of gauze, which indicates a
swelling of the breasts and a loss of liquid. This is frequent in women

who are pregnant for the first time."
Everything pointed to the fact that the young girl lived another eight
or nine months after her disappearance. Timperman also described the
objects found in the tank. There were a total of nineteen objects,
mainly coins and pieces of jewellery. But there were also:

"Two Gillette razor-blades."
When the BSR officers received the Timperman report at the end of 1996,

they immediately analysed what the press had written on the subject of
the discovery of the body of Carine Dellaert in 1985. Not a word about
her pregnancy. Not even in the shortest paragraph after Carine's
disappearance in 1982. No-one had mentioned a pregnancy.

XI had spoken of razor-blades in her testimony about V., but not on the

subject of Carine Dellaert. It is worth pointing out that long before
the Timperman report landed at the 3rd Criminal Research Section, XI
had described other sadistic scenes in which razor-blades were
mentioned as the customary modus operandi. "For some of them, it was
clearly their favourite toy."

The death of V.

XI also described a series of addresses where she and Clo had been
raped at the beginning of the eighties. On 29 September 1996, during
the second of her seventeen hearings, she described a bar in
Drongensesteenweg, very near the home of the Dellaert family. The bar
no longer exists. The investigators found a list of the owners. Later,
XI named a house in Waarschot as the place where Clo died. Nothing
indicates that fifteen years later a firm occupies this address.
Whether it is a coincidence or not, among the partners is the name of
one of the owners of the bar in Drongensesteenweg.

At the end of 1996, the Dellaert file was reopened by the public
prosecutor's department of Ghent. Meanwhile the death certificate of
V., the second girl, had been found. It states that the girl died as
the result of a tumour. The C3 form was filled in by two neurologists
accused by XI of being part of the network. While watching T., XI's
procurer, the investigators noticed that he is in contact with the
father of V.

On 28 October 1996, the investigators applied for authorisation to
exhume the body of V. This authorisation would never be given. At the
beginning of the summer holidays, the public prosecutor's department
of Ghent received some news from Brussels. Investigating magistrate Van
and Gendarmerie Commander Duterme had expressed serious doubts
about the manner in which XI had been questioned. The Ghent public
prosecutor Soenens was informed of the matter, and launched an appeal
for calm. He wanted to see the credibility of XI confirmed, for example

through the further development of the Van Hees case. The wait began.
The Ghent public prosecutor's department transferred the case to the
Ghent BSR, but two camps quickly formed there and the rumours about XI
began to fly. The announcement of the article in De Morgen caused a
stir within the Ghent public prosecutor's department. Public
Prosecutor Soenens has assured us that "the investigation duties have
been drawn up" and that for the end of January a "co-ordination meeting

is planned" for all the public prosecutor's departments where
inquiries have been opened on the basis of the testimony of XI.

THE CREDIBILITY OF JUSTICE
Marc Reisinger

The day when Sabine and Laetitia were liberated will undoubtedly remain

a turning point in the history of Belgium. Before then, children
disappeared, their bodies were found, and occasionally a murderous
sadist was arrested. This took up a few lines in the "news in brief"
columns. It was as if we were seeing a few fixed frames of a horror
film so far from our daily life that we no longer paid them much
attention. Suddenly, on 15 August 1996, we witnessed the liberation in
real time of two young girls abducted and locked up by Marc Dutroux.
The emotion I felt that day as I watched the TV was shared by millions
of people in Belgium and all over the world. It was at the origin of
the "marche blanche", which itself led for the first time to the live
TV broadcast of the parliamentary committee of inquiry into the
disappearance of children. I am not surprised today to discover in the
testimony of Regina - known as XI - the importance that the
liberation of Sabine and Laetitia had for her: "The policemen who
escorted Sabine and Laetitia into a car were the white knights I had
dreamed of throughout those years" (De Morgen, 10 January 1998). It was

at that moment that she decided to testify in Neufchâteau.

But the arrest of Dutroux and Nihoul also marked the appearance of a
split between the "sensitive" and the "insensitive". Most people felt
total empathy for the children who were victims of cruelty. However, a
certain number of strong spirits immediately began to criticise
Connerotte and Bourlet, the Neufchâteau "cowboys". The removal of
magistrate Connerotte was applauded by the conservative establishment,
but also by a certain number of left-wing intellectuals. For reasons
that we would have to analyse, the latter distrusted the emotion and
the excessive media attention surrounding the case. As a
psychotherapist, I fear that these people feel difficulty entering into

contact with their own suffering, and that they thus take sides
unconsciously with the aggressors. It is also likely that hidden
influence was set into motion by figures who, rightly or wrongly, felt
compromised by the disclosures. How many people who simply took part in

Nihoul's orgies tremble in fear that their names will be cited?
Regina stated in her testimony that some of the "parties" of the
network were organised with the aim of blackmailing.

A further split gradually appeared in the media. Most of the press
began to describe Dutroux as a lone wolf, a psychopath, demented and
brilliant. Nihoul was painted as a businessman and a swindler who had
recently met Dutroux and had had the unfortunate idea to have his car
repaired by him. This thesis was the object of a press campaign that
culminated in the TV programme "Au Nom de la Loi" (RTBF, 17 September
1997). Immediately afterwards, a "campaign of silence" developed around

Nihoul: his name hardly appeared in the francophone press - with the
exception of Télé Moustique - in the following six months.

It is to react to all this that we have created the "Pour la vérité"
association, made up of people of various backgrounds anxious to
preserve their critical spirit in the face of a premature attempt to
dismiss claims that Dutroux and Nihoul had known each other for a long
time and that Nihoul benefits from protection. We formulated twelve
questions with regard to the investigations in progress and we
purchased an entire page in Le Soir to publish them under the title
"Nous ne laisserons pas passer". Our aim was to address a message to
the public and to try to wake up the media. We have had little success
on the second point.

The campaign of silence was finally broken only by the publication of
the testimony of Regina. For more than six months, she gave evidence in

Neufchâteau about the network of which Dutroux and Nihoul were
members. Her testimony describes very clearly the murder of young girls

and children. According to the BSR (Brigade Speciale de Recherche) team

which heard it, this testimony should have led to fresh inquiries and,
in particular, to further searches. Instead, the team was removed from
the investigation in July 1997. Since then, a "re-examination" of the
file has been taking place. This re-examination, accompanied by the
suspension of the investigation, constitutes a new development in
judicial procedure. It is as if a doctor stopped treating a patient in
a critical condition in order to calmly re-read the medical records.
When we realise that this re-examination has already lasted longer than

the investigation and that its end is postponed every time the date of
the conclusion of the parliamentary committee of inquiry is put back,
we might fear that the re-examination actually serves to hush up the
investigation.

The unconfessed desire to halt the investigation seems evident to a
careful observer. This desire is disguised behind the "scandal" of the
leaks. The public prosecutor's department and certain sectors of the
media are disturbed by the leaks without being disturbed by their
contents, while organising further leaks that call into question the
testimony of XI (like the publication of a summary of the
re-examination and of extracts of the psychiatric report on XI). The
discussion of the contents of the testimony of XI has also been avoided

by focussing the media debate on her credibility: is she traumatised,
mad, or suffering from mythomania?

It seems to me to be more interesting to question the credibility of
justice than that of XI. Rather than turning to psychiatrists to find
out whether what Regina says is true, it would be better to attend to
the precise facts described and continue the investigations. We know,
for example, that Regina gave details about the murders of Christine
Van Hees and Carine Dellaert that match the file and sometimes surpass
it in terms of accuracy (like the nail hammered into Christine's
hand). She also named as a victim a young girl from Ghent, Véronique
D., who officially died of cancer. This is a perfect opportunity to
find out whether XI is reliable: the medical records should be
analysed, the two doctors who signed the death certificate should be
questioned and the body exhumed. These evident duties of the
investigation have been requested by the investigators since January
1997, but up to now they have been rejected by the public
prosecutor's department in Ghent.

Should we not begin to give serious consideration to a different
hypothesis from XI's lack of credibility to explain the delay in
inquiries? Is it not simply the fact that her testimony calls into
question important figures such as industrialists, politicians, and
even a former prime minister?

A promising indication of the Satanic conspiracy could be found in
Belgium last year, when links between a series of grisly pædophile
killings and an active Satanist society shocked the nation. Throughout
the summer, the gradual revelations of the murders of at least four
children led to the arrest of Marc Dutroux, an unemployed electrician
and convicted paedophile, his wife Michele Martin and other
accomplices. They are suspected of other pædophile killings around the

city of Charleroi but, so far, no other bodies have been found. Two
attempts - in November 1996 and January 1997 - to drain and search
abandoned mine shafts in the suburb of Jumet proved equally fruitless,
despite separate suggestions by Dutroux and his wife that police would
do well to look there.

The presence of a Satanic conspiracy became a distinct possibility
when, in mid-December, while investigating the Dutroux's pædophile
network, Belgian police stumbled upon links to a college of Black Magic

called the Institut Abrasax, in a village near Charleroi. The building
served as the offices of a number of pagan organisations, including the

Belgian Church of Satan and the Luciferian Initiation Order. According
to Peter Conradi, reporting for the Times, "five witnesses described
black masses [there] at which children were killed in front of
audiences said to have included prominent members of Belgian society."

In early January 1997, a Flemish newspaper disclosed that three
policemen (and possibly a fourth) of the Charleroi municipal force had
admitted to being members of Abrasax, claiming it was all quite
harmless. Mindful of the allegations that some babies were sold to the
group by their parents while others were abducted, more than 100
investigators searched the building for eight hours. As well as the
expected ritual paraphernalia, police found a bottle of frozen blood in

a refrigerator. High priestess Dominique Kindermans - who described
the search as terrifying - managed to prove she bought the blood from
a butcher.

To make matters worse, police also uncovered evidence of a separate
locus of orgies in a dilapidated chateau. Organised by Michel Nihoul, a

known accomplice of Dutroux, a group of judges, senior politicians,
lawyers and policemen have been implicated in the orgies there. This
too, panned out; just sleaze as usual. To the dispair of the
witch-hunters, so far the associations have proved circumstantial, the
allegations have remained unproven and there have been no further
arrests.

Article Info
'The Devil Worshipers' by Bob Rickard

May 1997

FT 98A promising indication of the Satanic conspiracy could be found in

Belgium last year, when links between a series of grisly pædophile
killings and an active Satanist society shocked the nation. Throughout
the summer, the gradual revelations of the murders of at least four
children led to the arrest of Marc Dutroux, an unemployed electrician
and convicted paedophile, his wife Michele Martin and other
accomplices. They are suspected of other pædophile killings around the

city of Charleroi but, so far, no other bodies have been found. Two
attempts - in November 1996 and January 1997 - to drain and search
abandoned mine shafts in the suburb of Jumet proved equally fruitless,
despite separate suggestions by Dutroux and his wife that police would
do well to look there.

The presence of a Satanic conspiracy became a distinct possibility
when, in mid-December, while investigating the Dutroux's pædophile
network, Belgian police stumbled upon links to a college of Black Magic

called the Institut Abrasax, in a village near Charleroi. The building
served as the offices of a number of pagan organisations, including the

Belgian Church of Satan and the Luciferian Initiation Order. According
to Peter Conradi, reporting for the Times, "five witnesses described
black masses [there] at which children were killed in front of
audiences said to have included prominent members of Belgian society."

In early January 1997, a Flemish newspaper disclosed that three
policemen (and possibly a fourth) of the Charleroi municipal force had
admitted to being members of Abrasax, claiming it was all quite
harmless. Mindful of the allegations that some babies were sold to the
group by their parents while others were abducted, more than 100
investigators searched the building for eight hours. As well as the
expected ritual paraphernalia, police found a bottle of frozen blood in

a refrigerator. High priestess Dominique Kindermans - who described
the search as terrifying - managed to prove she bought the blood from
a butcher.

To make matters worse, police also uncovered evidence of a separate
locus of orgies in a dilapidated chateau. Organised by Michel Nihoul, a

known accomplice of Dutroux, a group of judges, senior politicians,
lawyers and policemen have been implicated in the orgies there. This
too, panned out; just sleaze as usual. To the dispair of the
witch-hunters, so far the associations have proved circumstantial, the
allegations have remained unproven and there have been no further
arrests.

Article Info
'The Devil Worshipers' by Bob Rickard

De Morgen, 7 January 1997
DUTROUX AND NIHOUL SUSPECTED OF THE MURDER OF CHRISTINE VAN HEES IN
1984
By Annemie Bulté and Douglas De Coninck

On 13 February 1984, the horribly mutilated body of 16-year-old
Christine Van Hees was found in an old Champignonnière (mushroom bed)
in Auderghem. Thirteen years of investigations led to nothing. Three
months before the beginning of the Dutroux case, the Brussels public
prosecutor's department classified the case as closed. At the end of
1996, witness XI testified to the Neufchâteau public prosecutor's
department, accusing Marc Dutroux, Michel Nihoul and others of having
committed the murder. Thanks to extremely precise information, XI
proved that she was present at the time of the murder. Despite this,
the investigation is now completely blocked.

Since 27 January 1997, the Brussels public prosecutor's department
has been leading an investigation into the alleged involvement of Marc
Dutroux and Michel Nihoul in the murder of the young Christine Van
Hees. The work of the Neufchâteau unit (3rd Section of Criminal
Research, Brussels BSR) led to the reopening of the 13-year-old
investigation. The first reason was the statements of witness XI. The
28-year-old women contacted the magistrate Jean-Marc Connerotte in
Neufchâteau on 4 September 1996. XI stated that she was present at the

time of the murder. She was able to prove this by a precise description

of the places, details of the injuries inflicted on Christine Van Hees,

and information regarding the private life of the victims and the
accused. In some respects XI's statement proved to be more complete
than the autopsy report made by the forensic surgeons.

XI's version was confirmed after an analysis of the old investigation
file. This investigation, led from 1985 onwards by the Brussels
magistrate Van Espen, already contained evidence pointing to Dutroux
and Nihoul. In 1984 a friend of Christine Van Hees stated to the
Brussels CID that the young girl, during the weekend preceding her
death, had a rendez-vous with "a certain Marc in the region of Mons".
At the end of 1996, it appeared that Dutroux frequented the same
ice-skating rink as Christine Van Hees in 1983 and 1984. Moreover, it
turned out that not long before her death the young girl went to a
party held by the free radio station in Etterbeek, Radio Activité, run

at the time by Michel Nihoul.

In the course of the new investigation, around 300 witnesses were
questioned. These confirmed the statements of XI on a number of crucial

points. And yet the investigation has now come to a halt. On 25 August
1997, the team of investigators following up XI's statements was
removed. This happened on the insistence of magistrate Van Espen, who
had doubts about the objectivity of the investigators. On the request
of Van Espen, his colleague Langlois (Neufchâteau) and police
commander Duterme, a "re-examination" of all the inquiries based on the

testimony of XI was begun. Initially this re-examination was to last a
few weeks, but it has dragged on for over six months. Since September,
XI has had to deal with a new group of investigators. In a letter
addressed to the Verwilghen Committee, she complains - like her
therapist - of the manner in which she is treated. XI says that she
feels they want to "break" her emotionally.

It is not only the Van Hees investigation that has nearly come to a
halt. The same is true of five other inquiries which were opened (or
reopened) on the basis of the statements of XI to the public
prosecutor's departments of Antwerp, Brussels, Ghent and
Neufchâteau. XI describes many murders of children which she says were

carried out in the context of a very extensive network of child
prostitution. Despite a triple "re-examination" of XI's statements,
it cannot be demonstrated that this information can have any source
other than her own memory.

The information published by De Morgen with regard to these inquiries
are the result of five months of research.

Dutroux and Nihoul suspected of the murder of Christine Van Hees in
1984

"It's the nail in my coffin," stated the Brussels magistrate
Jean-Claude Van Espen when asked about the Champignonnière file. The
expression was not a particularly happy one. At the end of 1996, it was

because of a nail that the officers of the Brussels BSR probably found
the key to the mystery that surrounds the horrific murder of Christine
Van Hees in 1984. Very soon it also turned out that even without the
Dutroux affair and the testimony of XI Van Espen would have been able
to find the trail of Marc Dutroux and Michel Nihoul as early as 1985.

That evening, the fireman Norbert Vanden Berghen experienced the most
dramatic moments in his professional life. "The phone had not stopped
ringing all day. We had had a lot of fires and accidents, even three at

a time." The date was Monday 13 February 1984. At 8.47 p.m. another
emergency call came. A cloud of smoke had been seen in a ruined family
mansion on the land of the old Auderghem Champignonnière, near the
campus of the Free University of Brussels (VUB). Before the fireman
reached the scene, a second fire was reported nearby. Smoke was coming
from the basement window of the Champignonnière. While one team
searched the abandoned house, the other team plunged into the cellar
with torches. Lieutenant Vanden Berghen was part of the second team.
"We saw a fire smouldering under a pile of wooden boxes. As the fire
had almost gone out, we looked inside."

Cause of death unknown.

What then appeared will remain impressed on the fireman's mind for a
long time. He saw a charred human trunk. Part of the head had been
devoured by the flames. Feet and hands, there wasn't much left. "It
was a young girl. She was lying on her stomach. She was naked. Her legs

and arms were tied together with a length of wire, which was also
twisted around her neck. Her legs were bent backwards. Horrible."

In the smouldering pile, the experts from the Brussels police found
personal items belonging to the victim: jewels, the charred remains of
a T-shirt, a bra. The detectives were faced with a puzzle. Their first
impression was that the victim had accompanied her murderers
voluntarily. Before the group had gone down into the basement, they had

evidently been in the house, where objects were found that seemed to be

related to the crime.

The next day, when Pierre and Antoinette Van Hees heard the news of the

discovery of the body of a young girl a few blocks from where they
lived, they were overcome by fear. Their 16-year-old daughter Christine

had not come home the day before. Another day and a half passed before
the Brussels CID could give the managers of the newsagent's in Avenue
du Diamant a definite answer: the body was that of Christine. Her
parents had to go and identity bits of exercise books and jewellery.
They were not shown the body. There were reasons for that. In their
autopsy report, the forensic surgeons Rillaert and Voordecker did not
hazard an opinion on the cause of death. Before being burnt, the young
girl had been so badly abused that it was impossible to tell which act
of torture had been fatal. In his first report, Dr. Voordecker
mentioned traces of strangling. Later the doctors included another
observation in their report: the victim was not undergoing menstruation

- a detail which would only assume full importance thirteen years
later. The girl's parents had another shock to endure. Their daughter
had not been to school that morning. Apparently she had missed school
quite often.

It was the period of new wave music. Christine Van Hees was a dreamer.
She loved U2, and in the months before her death she had argued with
her parents more than once about her clothes and her social life.
Christine also loved sport. Once a week she would go skating or
swimming. She went to school in Anderlecht, where she had many friends.

That afternoon, towards 5.20 p.m., she was last seen alive by two of
her friends in Rue Wayez in Anderlecht. She had a bit of a chat with
her friend Chantal and showed her the boots she had bought (or got from

someone) that morning. During this conversation, she noticed Didier,
her old scout chief. Chantal and Didier saw Christine walk towards the
Saint-Guidon underground station. From there it was half an hour's
journey to the Pétillon station, near her home. It must have been very

quick. At 6.50 p.m. some people in Rue de la Stratégie heard a young
girl screaming. What they heard seemed to be: "No, not that! Stop!
Mum!".

The punk trail

Those who were students at the Free University of Brussels in the
mid-eighties knew the urban legend. Some screwy punks had organised a
Satanic mass. The case seemed simple. In 1984 the deserted
Champignionnière was a pile of ruins. Some punks used to go there
regularly to smoke joints, before returning to the Kultuurcafé. To the

extent that he had time for this case, that was the trail followed by
the Brussels investigating magistrate Eloy. Eloy was also in charge of
the investigation into the left-wing C.C.C. terrorist group. A lot for
just one man. Eloy had a heart attack, and later a nervous breakdown.
On 1 October 1985, the case was placed in the hands of another
magistrate, the up-and-coming Jean-Claude Van Espen.

Van Espen inherited a file that already contained a principal suspect:
Serge C., one of the punks who had been seen frequently at the
Champignionnière. C., nicknamed 'l'Iroquois", was a striking
character. A bright red Mohican, military boots, drugged up to his
eyeballs. In 1983, C. had served two months in prison for violent
theft. Later he was prosecuted for desertion. On 13 September 1984 he
was arrested and charged with the murder of Christine Van Hees. During
a search one of her exercise books was found at his house. C. denied,
confessed, denied, confessed... His lawyer attributed the fickleness of
his young client to the fact that the CID rewarded his confessions with
drugs. Without drugs, C. said he knew nothing. There was only one
constant in his statements: he had no idea how the exercise book had
ended up in his room. He suspected someone had put it there "to get
him". C. was heard a total of sixteen times and would remain in custody

for three years, two months and four days. In the psychiatric reports
we read that Serge C. was "heavily mentally deranged" and that "he has
no control over his actions". When C. was released on 17 November 1987
without any further charges, Didier de Quévy became his lawyer. De
Quévy took the case to the European Court of the Human Rights, where
Belgium was condemned in 1991 for keeping C. in custody for an
unreasonable length of time. During this period de Quévy was also
defending other "drop-outs". He was the defence lawyer of a certain
Marc Dutroux from Marcinelle. At the beginning of 1992, the Brussels
CID resumed the investigation into the murder of Christine Van Hees
from the beginning. For the first time, Christine's mother Antoinette
Van Hees was questioned, and a local investigation took place. This led

to a new trail. For four years police searched for the owner of a black

car with a golden eagle on the bonnet. Some local residents had seen
such a car patrolling the area. This trail also led nowhere. In June
1996, Christine's parents learned from the Brussels public
prosecutor's department that the case had been closed. "In their
letter, they wrote your daughter Claudine," recalls Pierre Van Hees.
"To give you an idea of the intensive manner in which they dealt with
the case."

Witness XI comes forward in Neufchâteau

Wednesday 4 September 1996: investigating magistrate Jean-Marc
Connerotte of Neufchâteau was talking to Warrant Officer De Baets of
the 3rd Criminal Research Section of the Brussels BSR. De Baets was
furious. He was leading the investigation into the financial situation
of Marc Dutroux. The telephone rang. A certain "Tania from Ghent" tried

to explain something to Connerotte, but her French was as
incomprehensible to him as his Flemish was to her. He handed the phone
to De Baets. Through Tania, De Baets was put in contact with a young
woman who wanted "to say some things about Michel Nihoul". It quickly
appeared that the young woman had a lot to say. Since she asked to
remain anonymous, she was called XI in the statement.

"We are faced with ruin," said Marc Verwilghen when he heard about the
testimony of XI at the end of 1996. During a TV debate, a journalist
from Le Soir predicted that Belgium would not exist for much longer.
The Dutroux case, he said, was just a detail. Who is XI? A small,
27-year-old woman, surprisingly self-confident, with an incredible
history. As a baby she was entrusted to her grandmother, who lived in
Knokke. There she was raised as a child prostitute. Until the age of
ten, she was handed over like goods for sale in hotel rooms in Knokke.
XI explained that as an adolescent, while watching TV she would
occasionally see those who had raped her. Ministers, burgomasters,
barons, or the managing directors of banks and important companies.
That these men raped her was OK, said XI, that was bearable. The
murders, that was the real problem. The pleasure of these clients was
accentuated by the anguish of the child. Their greatest pleasure
matched the greatest anguish, that of death. According to XI, for the
organisation and the protection of their debauchery, these well-known
figures turned to small-time criminals like her own procurer Tony, or
characters like Marc Dutroux, Michel Nihoul and Bernard Weinstein. What

should they do with a testimony like this at a time when the whole
country was baying? Investigate, ordered Connerotte.

One thing surprised Warrant Officer De Baets from XI's first hearing
on 20 September 1996. She did not hesitate. With disconcerting ease,
she was able to name old classmates who could confirm her story (which
they would do), she gave the secret addresses of well-known figures and
described the inside of their houses (correctly). She spoke of "Marc",
the poor oaf who, at the beginning of the eighties, passed over her
body with others including "Miche". "Dutroux had two alsatians," she
said. "They were called Brutus and Sultan." Later, during police
questioning, Dutroux was asked about his dogs. He got frightened and
refused to answer. Michelle Martin was suspicious. One of the two dogs
was still alive - it guarded the house in Marcinelle when Julie and
Mélissa were imprisoned there. "It was called Sultan," said Martin. A
lot of information about Dutroux was disclosed by the press in those
days. The dog's name was never mentioned. How could XI have known it?

continued:

http://old.radicalparty.org/belgium/x1_eng2.htm

dezkillaz
20-01-2010, 07:37 AM
One of the accused, Paul Vanden Boeynants (former prime minister from 1966 to 1968 and from 1977 to 1978) has been involved in the "Stay-Behind" Undercover network (a Belgian version of Italian's Gladio named SDRA-8) during the 80's... Some Belgian officials and politics were part of the occult network which was under an UK/US leadership, although nothing was ever proved (due to state secret), they are highly suspected to have planned terrorist actions in order to blame it on the Communists and maintain people's fear toward them and discord through the European masses.

One of other Gladio's alleged actions in Belgium is the organization of a split in the Communist Party of Belgium (PCB) in the 1970s, by creating the "Parti Communautaire Européen, a "Nazi-Maoist" party, infact controlled by the SDRA-8, Belgium's branch of Gladio. One of the leader of that split was none other than Luc Jouret, founder of the Order of the Solar Temple with Joseph di Mambro...

It's crystal clear that all the people that were part of the network have had rewards in terms of career, even Berlusconi now Italian Prime Minister was part of the gladio through the P2 Lodge (a masonic lodge operating under the jurisdiction of the Grand Orient of Italy from 1945 to 1976, when its charter was withdrawn)

So due to the extreme circumstances of secrecy and immorality concerning that State Terrorism, some people could have been tempted to reveal the secrets or even to blackmail intelligence agencies against their silence, so paedophilia's could have been a good way to shut them up... And a way to automatically discredit them in case of information leaks or treachery...

What is also "funny" is that in 1989 (one year before Gladio affair was revealed to the public by Giulio Andreotti Italian former Prime minister*) , Paul Vanden Boeynants was taken hostage by a group of gangsters led by Patrick Haemers who called his gang " Brigade Socialiste Révolutionnaire" (BSR is also the name of certain Belgian Police forces Units) to pose as a communist group, and reclaimed the equivalent of 1,5 milions Euro for his released, What is over-more intriguing is that after having been arrested, Haemers hanged himself on a 130cm (51 inch) high radiator in a Belgian jailcell in 1993, just before his trial...

* IL DIVO is an excellent film toward Giulio Andreotti his ties to the mafia and his incredible lasting in the Italian successive governments (Prime Minister of Italy from 1972 to 1973, from 1976 to 1979, and from 1989 to 1992. He also served as Minister of the Interior (1954 and 1978), Defense Minister (1959-1966 and 1974) and Foreign Minister (1983-1989), and he has been a Senator for life since 1991.)

hunkahunka
21-01-2010, 02:53 AM
video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BQCvjooBzc&feature=related
Documentary I worked on about Electroconvulsive Therapy.
To purchase goto amspictures.com or goto http://www.shockdoc.tv

hunkahunka
23-01-2010, 03:31 PM
http://www.rockymusic.org/img/rhpsphotosbw/RHPS-WhatDoYouThinkOfHim.jpg
"Frank N Furter (Tim Curry) displays Rocky (Peter Hinwood), his Adonis-like humanoid creation, to visitors Janet (Susan Sarandon) and Brad (Barry Bostwick) in The Rocky Horror Picture Show."
http://members.aon.at/frankenstein/images/rockyhorror.jpg

http://www.kirkbridebuildings.com/blog/images/2008/08/07/1.jpg

http://sixfourthreeblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/rocky-horror.jpg

http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/4722453/RockyHorrorPictureShowPhoto15-main_Full.jpg

http://www.markeshuis.nl/Rocky-over-the-Rainbow.gif

I found this video of a Dutch musical that combines the Rocky Horror Picture
Show (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=857367&highlight=rocky+horror+danvers#post857367) musical with the Wizard of Oz musical, called Rocky Over the Rainbow (http://www.angelfire.com/musicals/rotr/frindex.html).
(fittingly created in Amsterdam, the global mecca for mk sex slaves)

video:


Rocky Over the Rainbow

Rocky over the Rainbow 2001 - YouTube


http://www.morethings.com/fan/rocky_horror_picture_show/meatloaf-hot-patootie-102.jpg

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp27/meatbyproduct/dorothyECT-2.jpg
Dorothy undergoes forced electroshock treatment in Disney's
'Return to Oz'

hunkahunka
23-01-2010, 08:48 PM
http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/4722453/RockyHorrorPictureShowPhoto15-main_Full.jpg
Tim Curry in Rocky Horror Picture Show identity dissociation


http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp27/meatbyproduct/th_oz2_011FairuzaBalk.jpg
Fairuza Balk in Return to Oz(having her brain fried and memory
wiped with electroshock)
http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp27/meatbyproduct/th_fairuza.jpg


Now how is this for a coincidence?

http://7.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_krpyfglOK11qzmq7ho1_500.jpg
Tim Curry and Fairuza Balk featured together in 'The Worst Witch'
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/516KCF2N1HL._SL500_.jpg

emerald
23-01-2010, 11:26 PM
Her theme park's logo

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5761/dollywoodlogo1.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/dollywoodlogo1.jpg/)

"Well yesterday I was disappointed for Dolly Parton, now today I am honored for her ... as the Girl Scouts have created a new badge in her honor.

The badge is called the "Coat of Many Colors". It recognizes that 20% of all children in America live below the poverty line. On June 13 she will host those girls who earn the patch at a special event in Dollywood. "

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3328/dollyparton300.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/dollyparton300.jpg/)

hunkahunka
24-01-2010, 01:51 AM
video:
301 Moved Permanently

Oz Programming
http://blip.tv/file/3125778

Oz programming is an occult reality, using trauma inflicted on people via satanic ritual abuse, powerful drugs, electroshock , torture, and hypnosis. Evidence of Monarch and MKultra mind control programming is quickly becoming one of the biggest revelations to hit the new media. In this short video, we briefly examine the 'Operation Chaos' CIA hippy cults. involving the Grateful Dead, Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters, Courtney Love, and Larry Flynt, who was diagnosed as having bipolar disorder and did stints in the army and navy with a falsified birth certificate at the age of 15. Odd that, this precociousness that seems to surround the whole 'child movie star' world of mkultra.

http://goodmorningsarajevo.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/mary-ellen-mark-0908-pp11.jpg?w=460&h=463
Courtney Love in her trailer on the set of The People vs. Larry Flynt (1996), directed by Milos Forman, in Los Angeles. Love portrayed the wife of the publisher of Hustler magazine.

hunkahunka
24-01-2010, 04:30 AM
check out this video on how CIA-created drug gangs are recruiting
directly within the military, hiring soldiers who are due to return
to America:

video:
GangLand - Gangs In The Army 'Basic.Training' En Vo 3/3 - Vidéo Dailymotion

hunkahunka
24-01-2010, 01:46 PM
video:

Mae Brussell in Santa Cruz: (12 parts)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

hunkahunka
24-01-2010, 05:35 PM
check out this BTK-esque BDSM footage.
this is near-death torture , imo.


YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

hunkahunka
25-01-2010, 02:22 AM
repost of David McGowan interview:

http://www.pidradio.com/?p=537

http://www.pidradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/picture-1.pngf


audio:

Derek Gilbert of Peer into Darkness radio program interviews
Dave McGowan — author of 'Programmed to Kill -the politics of serial murder'

listen here:

http://media.libsyn.com/media/pidradio/vftb010.mp3


http://www.pidradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/programmed.jpg

hunkahunka
26-01-2010, 12:43 PM
video:

masonic musicians

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

mountain
26-01-2010, 03:23 PM
Roseanne Barr speaks at mind control event in Los Angeles 2009 - YouTube

Cathy O'Brien speaks on mind control PT 1 of 2 - YouTube

Cathy O'Brien speaks on mind control PT 1 of 2 - YouTube

ellis_deatrip
26-01-2010, 03:36 PM
When El Duce said he knew who whacked Kurt he sure seemed to me like he was telling the truth. "Alan" or "Allen" is the name he "let slip" in Kurt and Courtney. He died a week later from getting hit by a train.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ugWA6EAYSU
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j100/yoshi667/KURDT2.gif
I was just talking about this with someone yesterday,I was directed to this link: http://www.justiceforkurt.com/ I'm sure it's posted somewhere on this thread, but it didn't show up when i used the search thread feature.

But anyway, About Wrench.
An old roommate of mine who had grew up in Riverside,CA, a member of the Hell's Angels,and was a Close personal friend of Wrench. Although Kurdt was never brought up, What was disclosed to my roomate was that Allen told him that it really hurt to "KILL HIS(at one time)BEST FRIEND".It's clearly obvious who kiled 'the Dooch' .He commited suicide alright, when he said, "Allen"...

hunkahunka
29-01-2010, 04:21 AM
video:
the ritual murder of Louis Mackerley
MURDER OF LOUIS MACKERLEY - YouTube


Russ Dizdar discusses this child murder in this video:

Part 1
Satanic Ritual Abuse Part One ( Murder of LOUIS MACKERLEY ) - YouTube

Part 2
Satanic Ritual Abuse Part two - YouTube

Part 3
Satanic Ritual Abuse Part Three - YouTube

Part 4
Satanic Ritual Abuse Part Four - YouTube

hunkahunka
29-01-2010, 05:36 PM
More Gus Van Sant mind control connections:


The Merry Pranksters were led by Ken Kesey and closely associated with CIA
hippy cult band The Grateful Dead, who co-hosted with the pranksters gigantic
LSD parties known as 'acid tests'. Pranksters hippy cult flower child Courtney Love , at six years old, appeared
on the back of this Grateful Dead album (her father Hank Harrison was manager of the Grateful Dead):

http://www.connollyco.com/discography/grateful_dead/aoxomoxoa_hi.jpg
http://www.univie.ac.at/Anglistik/easyrider/data/graphics/aoxomoxoa2.jpg
Courtney Love is the little girl at center right


http://www.digitallyobsessed.com/cover_art2/peoplevsflynt-se.jpg
Courtney Love played alongside Woody Harrelson as the wife of former strip club owner/ sex slave handler/pornographer Larry Flynt in the 1996 film 'The People vs. Larry Flynt'

http://l.yimg.com/eb/ymv/us/img/flickr/02/35/002628900235.jpg
Woody Harrelson and Courtney Love in 'The People vs. Larry Flynt
http://www.sofacinema.co.uk/guardian/images/products/5/1095-large.jpg

http://agentgenius.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/larry-flynt.jpg
Larry Flynt
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/1/9/1231493838800/Larry-Flynt-001.jpg


So, CIA hippy cult flower child Courtney Love is put in a film about mk handler Larry Flynt (army and navy, bipolar)
alongside Woody Harrelson. Next , we hear that Gus Van Sant , of all people, is putting Woody Harrelson
in a film about Courtney Love's 'extended family' CIA cult, Ken Kesey's Merry Pranksters:


http://csos.movieset.com/download/movieset/o/b/2009-01/electric-kool-aid-acid-test.jpg


By Joe Shearer
Van Sant Considering Woody Harrelson for Electric Koolaid Acid Test movie


For the role of writer Ken Kesey in the upcoming film adaptation of The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, director Gus Van Sant had one person in mind. Unfortunately, that person was the late, Academy Award-winning actor Heath Ledger.

However, two other names have emerged from the pool of possibilities to portray the One Flew Over the Cuckoo Nest author, according to Rolling Stone: Jack Black and Woody Harrelson. Both actors both have their pros and cons and are sure to upset some people looking for an accurate portrayal of Kesey (pictured above) in renegade journalist Tom Wolfe's book of the same name, but you'll have that with anything.

The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test centers around Kesey, his Merry Pranksters crew and their drug-streaked trek across America in a psychedelic school bus

http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/image-library/port/376/w/woody-harrelson1.jpg
Woody Harrelson
.

http://www.longhousepoetry.com/courtneylove.gif

Ken Kesey's One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest was filmed at a Kirkbride in Salem , Oregon, not far from Gus Van Sant's home base of Portland, Oregon, and in the region that Courtney Love grew up in after she was moved from San Francisco as a child.


Courtney Michelle Harrison was born in San Francisco, California, the daughter of Linda Carroll, a therapist, and Hank Harrison, a publisher.[8] She has described herself as being Irish and Jewish.[9][10][11][12][13] Love’s family broke up soon after her birth. During a child custody case following her parents’ divorce, her mother and one of her friends presented letters implying her father had given the child, then three years old, LSD.[14] Harrison denies this allegation[15] and has passed polygraph tests; however, these allegations led to full custody being awarded to Love’s mother. Love spent a troubled childhood with her mother, settled in hippie communes in Oregon. Love met Kurt Cobain, on January 12, 1990, in Portland's Satyricon nightclub

turquoisefire777
29-01-2010, 07:28 PM
http://www.desktoprating.com/wallpapers/anime-wallpapers-pictures/bart-anime-wallpaper.jpg

http://www.desktoprating.com/wallpapers/anime-wallpapers-pictures/bart-anime-wallpaper.jpg

hunkahunka
31-01-2010, 04:42 PM
http://gfx.dlastudenta.pl/photos/kultura/kino2009/osoby/mia_wasikowska_320.jpg
Mia Wasikowska

the mind control weavings around Gus Van Sant just keep
unraveling.

http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Alice_in_Wonderland/mia_wasikowska_alice_in_wonderland.jpg

Mia Wasikowska plays Alice in Tim Burton's
upcoming 'Alice in Wonderland'.

http://images.broadwayworld.com/upload2/61364/tn-500_alicet.jpg
Walt Disney Pictures Presents Tim Burton's ALICE IN WONDERLAND

Mia Wasikowska to Star in Gus Van Sant’s RESTLESS
by Ramses Flores

http://www.collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Movies/R/Restless/slices/Mia%20Wasikowska%20and%20Gus%20Van%20Sant%20image% 20Restless.jpg
Mia Wasikowska, Gus Van Sant


THR is reporting that Mia Wasikowska has been cast in Gus Van Sant’s “Restless”. The actress had previously been contemplating a part in Robert Redford’s “The Conspirator” before going with “Restless”. We still don’t know much about the film except it will tell a “complex tale of a teenage boy and girl who share a preoccupation with mortality”. We also know that the film will be produced by Bryce Dallas Howard and will be written by one of her film school classmates, Jason Lew, who wrote the play that the film will be based on. You may know Wasikowska from her critically acclaimed performance on HBO’s “In Treatment”, but I’m sure she will be huge next year once Tim Burton’s “Alice in Wonderland” opens as she’s playing Alice. Wasikowska can also next be seen in “Amelia” later this month.

'Amelia' is feminist propaganda based on the life story of Amela Earhart, btw:

There’s a scene where Gene remarks that Amelia notices beautiful women more than other women do — a suggestion that maybe our heroine’s true inclinations lie elsewhere. But this timid movie never goes any further. I bet if the grownup Gore Vidal, who wrote the transgender classic Myra Breckinridge, had been involved in the screenplay, he wouldn’t have fudged Earhart’s lesbian appeal. Or at the very least, he would have placed more emphasis on her women friends and colleagues. The only woman Amelia bonds with is Eleanor Roosevelt (Cherry Jones), and in that case, Amelia has an ulterior motive — she wants Gene to be appointed head of the government’s aeronautics branch

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/arts/film/story/2009/10/22/f-amelia-review.html#ixzz0eD16Plfa

hunkahunka
31-01-2010, 09:42 PM
Yet more dissociative mk links to Gus Van Sant

http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/9/5/oneeyedwilly/f_x8r78onqtrm_409078b.jpg

poster for Gus Van Sant's 1998 remake (above) of Alfred Hitchcock's original 1960 film ' Psycho' (below)

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Anne Heche played the role of Marion Crane in Gus Van Sant's 1998 remake of 'Psycho'.

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Anne Heche in Psycho



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Anne Heche & lesbian partner Ellen DeGeneres
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Psychological problems

On August 19, 2000,Anne Heche knocked on the door of a home in Fresno, California. Dazed and scantily clad, Heche said her SUV had broken down, asked to take a shower, and then made herself at home. When the police arrived a short time later, Heche, who had publicly announced the end of her headline-grabbing three-year relationship with Ellen DeGeneres the day before, declared she was God and would take everyone back to heaven in her spaceship. Press reports at the time explained that her disorientation was the result of mental illness—fueled by Ecstasy, according to Heche—stemming from childhood abuse by her father, which led her to create an alter ego named Celestia, who was "daughter of God, half-sibling of Christ, and that she was to spread a message of love to this stricken planet before ascending into Heaven".


Early life

Heche was born in Aurora, Ohio, the daughter of Nancy and Donald Heche. Her father was an organist, church founder, Baptist minister, and choir director.[1] In her book, Call Me Crazy, she claimed that her father molested her during her childhood, giving her herpes. Her father later disclosed his homosexuality to his family before dying of AIDS in 1983. In that same year, Heche's older brother Nate, who was also an actor, was killed in a car accident just a few months before his graduation from high school.[2] Heche was a noted actress even at Francis W. Parker School, in Chicago, and the soap opera As the World Turns offered her a contract in 1985, when she was 16. However, both she and her mother felt it best that she finish high school first.


Family

Her mother, Dr. Nancy Heche, is a professional Christian psychotherapist. She has toured the USA as a Christian speaker giving testimony of the impact on her life by her husband's death from AIDS/HIV in 1983, by the sudden "death bed" revelation of his secret adulterous relationship, and by Anne's lesbian relationship. Nancy Heche has described how her spiritual views toward homosexuals have changed. In her recent book, The Truth Comes Out, she describes how prayers and her own personal spiritual awakening coincided with Anne's change from a lesbian relationship.

In 1994, Heche's sister, Susan Bergman, wrote a book about the family and their relationship with their father titled Anonymity. Heche and Bergman were reportedly estranged after the release of Bergman's book; Bergman died in January 2006.[15]

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Anthony Perkins as the gender/identity-dissociative, multiple-personalitied Norman Bates dressed as his mother in the original 1960 film Psycho.
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hunkahunka
31-01-2010, 10:14 PM
repost

video:

Oz Programming

http://blip.tv/file/3125778

Oz mind control programming is an occult reality, via trauma inflicted on people by satanic ritual abuse, powerful drugs, electroshock , torture, and hypnosis. Evidence of Monarch and MKultra mind control programming is quickly becoming one of the biggest revelations to hit the new media. In this short video, we briefly examine the 'Operation Chaos' CIA hippy cults. involving the Grateful Dead, Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters, Courtney Love, and Larry Flynt, who was diagnosed as having bipolar disorder and did stints in the army and navy with a falsified birth certificate at the age of 15. Odd that, this precociousness that seems to surround the whole 'child movie star' world of mkultra. Flynt is a high-profile pornographer , and pornographers are known to be connected to mind control, involved as both programmers and handlers of mind control victims. The torture aspect of mind control shows up frequently in sadomasochistic bdsm porn.

hunkahunka
01-02-2010, 12:27 AM
short 1964 film by occultist CIA operative Kenneth Anger, called Scorpio Rising.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

what makes this film interesting is that it reveals so much about the post-WW2/1950's origin and roots of the Hells Angels, their connection to satanist Kenneth Anger himself, and their connection to zionist nazi ideology, occultism, and gender-dissociative mind control programming.(the film features a homosexual gang rape at a biker party where strangely there are no women present, but plenty of black leather, chains, stainless steel studs, belts, etc.)

The jewish Kenneth Anger (born Kenneth Wilbur Anglemyer to germanic Jewish parents) was an associate of Bobby Beausoleil and the Manson family. The occultist Charles Manson and his murderous cult lived at the Spahn Ranch movie set in the California desert, at the same time that several CIA-sponsored Hells Angels movies were filmed there. These films were shot during the CIA's wholesale expansion of the biker culture and their creation of the Harley Davidson Military Sales Program (govt.- subsidized personal Harley Davidson purchases for all U.S. military personnel).

The OSS/Skull n' Bones/CIA created and expanded the biker culture through both the shooting of films
like 'Hells Angels '69' and 'Nam's Angels' and through encouraging military personnel to take personal ownership of Harley Davidson motorcycles (directly subsidizing both purchasing and shipping)
American banker Prescott Bush (the father of President George Bush Sr.) was prosecuted as a war criminal for financing Adolph Hitler during World War 2, which was never publicized by America's Jewish-owned media, due to the fact that Hitler was half Jewish, the entire Nazi movement was a zionist plot to force the repatriation of Jerusalem by the Jews of Europe, and the entire mainstream media is controlled by zionist Jews. Anger was also a close associate of Anton Levay , founder of the Church of Satan, and another Jewish occultist who changed his name (born Howard Stanton Levey to Jewish parents).
Throughout Scorpio Rising , nazi symbolism is intermixed with biker, occult, and leather/BDSM paraphernalia.
The Skull n' Bones Society (founders of the CIA) is the fascist, occult organization that founded the Hells Angels, and also believe Jews to be the master race and 'gods chosen people'. (or satan's?)

MTV is owned by Sumner Redstone, jewish , (born Murray Sumner Rothstein to germanic Jewish parents).
MTV is the primary face of America's narcotics subculture, ostensibly owned by Rothstein/Redstone, who was an OSS/CIA expert in encryption and code breaking during WW2. Rothstein/Redstone is CIA, and little more than another figurehead for the zionist bankers (Rothschilds) who truly own most of the global media.

Kenneth Anger has been cited as an influence by Quentin Tarantino, the maker of Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction,
a film which also featured elements of homosexual biker mind control subculture. (In Pulp Fiction. biker Zed and his
friend sexually torture 'the gimp' and Bruce Willis in the bdsm dungeon basement of a pawn shop. )

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Bruce Willis escapes on Zed's harley 'Grace'.

Willis escapes and steals Zed's Harley Davidson chopper (hint: Bruce Willis also watches a snippet of the 1969 biker flick 'Nam's Angels' during the film. Nam's Angels was about retired 'black ops mercenaries-cum-Hells Angels' being hired to return overseas, with their Harley's this time, to terrorize the Viet Cong. Hence the title 'Nam's Angels'

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Tarantino occasionally pays homage to Kenneth Anger, by copying Anger's style of setting dialogue-free scenes to popular music, with the music as the only audio backdrop to what is visually depicted. (ie. the 'stuck in the middle with you' scene in 'Reservoir Dogs' is very evocative of 'Scorpio Rising'.

here is the scene from Reservoir dogs:
(click the 'watch on Youtube' link to open it and watch it)

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tidbit:

Former U.S. vice-president to George Bush, Dick Cheney, owns the private mercenary military contracting firm 'Blackwater', doubtless a reference to 'black-ops'.

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dezkillaz
04-02-2010, 03:48 AM
The Order of the Solar Temple

Synthesis of the CICNS

TFI (french TV) declared in 2001: “The various massacres related to the Order of the Solar Temple, occurring at the same period as various dramas with strong international repercussion also related to sectarian movements, strongly contributed to harden in France the fight against the sects.”

One can note today how these strongly mediatized tragedies cause the panic, precipitation in the judgments and hatred. The public is far from informed on the remote regions of all these businesses. One gives him with reading and hearing only what causes the fear.

The Solar Temple, or OTS, became sadly celebrates with five slaughters: September 30th, 1994, 5 members of the OTS die in the fire of a house with Morin Heights, in Quebec. October 5th, 1994, 48 carbonized bodies are found in Switzerland, 23 in Cheiry and 25 with Barn-on-Salvan, including two Masters of the OTS, Luc Jouret and Joseph Di Mambro. December 15th, 1995, 16 people burned in a clearing of Vercors, including 3 children, as well as the woman and the son of Jean Vuarnet. March 22nd, 1997, 5 followers of the solar Temple, including 3 French, are found carbonized in Saint-Casimir, Quebec.

Three important men of the OTS

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Joseph di Mambro, former jeweller. Before founding the Order of the Solar Temple (OTS) spent 6 months in prison for swindle. Thereafter, and always before the OTS, he attended a grouping successor of the S.A.C (civic service of action, a parapolice founded by Charles Pasqua), which will be mingled with at least one of the massacres.

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Luc Jouret, a former Maoist, into whom Di Mambro would have asked to integrate an esoteric Order ; the Renovated Order of the Temple in order to take possession of it following the death of his great Master. What Luc Jouret does. He will rename this order: Order of the Solar Temple.

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Michel Tabachnick, musician, the third man of the Order is at the origin of the esoteric theses of the OTS, then will take again his writings “L'archée” (written well before its arrival in the OTS).

In the 80's, the number of followers of the OTS grows in Quebec. Many executives of one of the most important Quebec companies, Hydroquébec,
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integrate the Order, fascinated by the theories of Luc Jouret on all the subjects.

Massacres

Di Mambro, during this time, has a child, Emmanuel (a girl, in fact, which will be presented as a boy) which it declares being new Christ. Other members have, a little later, a boy, whom they will also call him Emmanuel. According to the sectarian thesis, Di Mambro would have declared that it was about the Antichrist and active the 1994 slaughter in Canada (during which the child is killed out of a pile planted in the heart), first of the series presented like a ritual sacrifice.

Slaughters of Cheiry and Salvan are connected, and the sectarian thesis and that of the collective suicide are followed by Justice and the media. A more thorough investigation becomes impossible since the Judge Piller made burn all the incriminating evidences. A journalist, Eric Lemasson, even states to have discovered in the dustbins of the destroyed houses (that the police force would have neglected), tapes of hallucinated conversations on “transits towards Venus or Jupiter” contributing to guarantee the most eccentric thesis.

One year later, in 1995, the massacre of Vercors however presents disconcerting elements : according to Gilbert Lavoué, legal fire expert in charge of the investigation, the victims could not burn in a kind of ritual wood fire but rather of to phosphorus flame thrower; the marks of violent blows carried by the victims indicate that they were not consenting and, still more surprising, two of the victims were members of the French secret service, including a certain Lardanchet, towards which Luc Jouret had expressed suspicions of infiltration with an aim “of destroying the OTS” (a mail of Jouret was found describing the charges against him). These facts raise important matters. The report of Yves Boisset presents another found mail of Di Mambro, addressed to “Very dear Charlie”, showing Charles Pasqua, then Minister of Interior Department, “to be set on destroying the OTS by preparing a collective massacre”.

Serious doubts about the sectarian thesis

These remote regions give birth to new suspicions and the less basic thesis of an external intervention starts to take form. The absence of digital fingerprints and the disappearance of the majority of the vehicles keys finished convincing a certain number of people, and in particular several victims families, that people still alive left the places after the massacre (and not the suicide) by making disappear all the traces, and that something else, much less weird than the sectarian thesis, was concerned.

But everyone does not wish that the antisectes explanation be swept. A sister of one of the victims, Ute Verona, testifies to the presence of a man, who presented himself at her sister's apartment like a police officer, right before the discovery of the bodies. She observed through the peephole of her door that the man brings several full trash bags in her sister apartment before disappearing. Thereafter, having revealed what she had seen, she was subjected to death threats phone calls.

Chicaneries in the real estate, money laundering

With the assassination of Yann Piat, French political woman, in February 1994, the track of various negociations in connection with real estate projects on the Riviera, mingle with that with the OTS. Indeed, after massacres of OTS, two members of SAC, which could be the murderers of Mrs. Piat (rather than two small responsible shadies indicated and who are innocent), are found “committed suicide” with fumes of their vehicle in a garage, with capes of the OTS in their car and some works of the Order.

According to Alain Vuarnet, relative of two of the victims, the OTS was before all a “boiler to bleach money”. Sums of several million francs were discovered on accounts in Australia (on the whole, the sum of 186 million dollars was advanced) in the name of various people of which Di Mambro and other personalities, but denied then by the authorities right after their discovery, supplementing the long succession of blunders, refusals and errors of the investigations since the beginning of the business.

According to Alain Vuarnet, all was done to direct the public opinion, Justice and the media on the thesis of the sect and the collective suicide so that nobody is interested in the monstrous chicaneries which proceeded in background. Unfortunately, the parallel investigations were blocked (according to the report of Yves Boisset, a police commander judicaire, Gilbert Houvenaghel even asked the families having filed a complain to withdraw their complaints) and Justice didn't even paid attention to it (for the families, it is about a Justice “blind, deaf and dumb”).

You only have to question the public opinion to realize today that the sectarian thesis took all the place. Few people have a clear idea on what was held in 1994 and 1995 and which, under cover of collective suicides of an esoteric sect, wich is closest to a politico-gangster business whose folding screen antisectes, one year after, the business of Waco was finally very practical. As it will be in other situations thereafter.

hunkahunka
04-02-2010, 10:34 AM
repost missnig video links:

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Mass Graves Of Children Found Near Montreal

Duplessis Children

Greg Szymanski - Arctic Beacon || April 14, 2006


Pierre Sampson, now 60, is calling for justice an an open investigation to stop the murder of innocent children in government sponsored child experimentation programs. More than 50,000 children said to be illegally experimented but crooked officials on both sides of the border blocking investigation.

Another Duplessis Orphan has come forward with horror stories, including electro shock therapy, straight jacket sessions and mind altering drugs injections after being subjected to illegal government experimentation programs as a young child.

Pierre Sampson, 60, of Vancouver, Canada endured the torturous treatment for six long years until at the age of 14 when he finally escaped.

But thousands of other Duplessis Orphans weren't as lucky, as investigators recently uncovered a mass grave outside of Montreal where the bones of hundreds of children are buried in a mass grave.

Called the "pigsty" since the grave site is located next to a hog farm, Rod Vienneau, whose wife was also a child victim, said a push is now underway to exhume the bodies with strong resistance from governments on both side of the border, both denying any involvement in the face of compelling evidence to the contrary.

"I have been researching this atrocity for more than 10 years since my wife went public about being abused as one of the orphans," said Rod Vienneau this week on Greg Szymanski's radio show, The Investigative Journal, regarding the Duplessis Orphans, who may number more than 50,000 and named after former Prime Minister Maurice Duplessis, a key figure in the child experimentation cover-up. Duplessis Children

"We have documentation proving the link among with the CIA, the United States government and the Canadian government, all of them willing accomplices to the illegal experimentation of children.

"Thousands of children have died, thousands of others have endured great suffering and there remains about 3,000 surviving victims we know about who are still seeking justice. What's even more astonishing is that the illegal experimentation is still taking place while we speak."

Sampson, who went public for the first time in the United States on The Investigative Journal, is one of tens of thousands of children who were reduced to experimental guinea pigs by unscrupulous doctors, some known Nazi war criminals in a CIA program starting in the 1950's

Recently, a Canadian high court in 2004 awarded damages to adult mind control victims in a related case, pinning the CIA with responsibility as well as their unscrupulous doctors, including Dr. Ewin Cameron.

For a further look at Dr. Cameron's nefarious activities, a book called The Most Dangerous Game traces the history of top-secret CIA mind control operation MK-ULTRA: from the covert importation of NAZI scientists at the end of WWII, to the illegal brainwashing experiments conducted on the patients of psychiatric researcher, Dr Cameron

The same type of testing Dr Cameron and others performed on adults is now being traced to innocent children, as advocates for the Duplessis Orphans contend their evil knows no age limits.

Regarding Sampson's personal story, he said at the age of six he was transferred from a Catholic orphanage to a mental institution even though he was both mentally and physically sound as church and civil authorities overnight changed his paperwork, indicating he was mentally ill.

"After researching what happened," said Sampson, who also appeared this week on The Investigative Journal. "The Church made a deal with the government to turn over perfectly healthy children in return for money, giving the doctors the ability to experiment at will since we were all considered insane.

"To this day my records haven't been changed. Although I have never been mentally ill, my records still haven't been changed."

The link Sampson makes between the infiltrated Catholic Church and corrupted civil authorities is disturbing, indicating a consolidation of corruption not only in government but extending all the way to Rome and beyond.

According to Vienneau and Sampson, this inhumane treatment was accomplished with the full authority, cooperation and funding of the American and Canadian governments together with corrupted elements of the Catholic Church, one of the government's main suppliers of children used like experimental guinea pigs.

"I hope one day we can get justice and remove this evil element of people from the continent," said Vienneau. "How can we live in a society and trust a government who is killing our own children? These people will never admit to what they done and the only thing we can do is gather enough support among good people to have these corrupted leaders removed."

Vienneau also outlined what his main motives are in seeking justice for his wife, Sampson and the many other children abused by the illegal experimentation programs. Duplessis Children

"Criminal acts: Horrific criminal acts were done to thousands of innocent children here on Canadian soil ranging from murders, tortures; disappearance of children; lobotomy's and experimental drugs and falsely labeling thousands of innocent young children from 1935 to 1975 and nobody has yet been held accountable for these free criminal acts done to the Duplessis orphans.

"Thousands of orphans were falsely labeled mentally ill, and today, this label still hangs heavy on the orphans shoulders, This label has not yet been erased, this alone is a criminal act.

"The Quebec government, the College of Physicians of Quebec; the Roman Catholic church of Quebec; the Quebec Public Trustee;(Guardianship) and the federal government of Canada and America have not yet acknowledged the harm done to thousands of young children here in Quebec.

"Constitutional Rights : The Quebec government took away the Duplessis orphans rights to defend themselves in a court of law since 1995, all though four members of parliament stated that the orphans could take a lawyer at any time for their case, but it has been 11 years now that many orphans have been trying to get a lawyer for their case but to no avail.

"Lawyer Daniel Lighter, told me flatly that the Duplessis orphans case is locked shut tight since over fifteen years. The Duplessis orphans have no Constitutional rights, it all boils down to a huge cover up."

Editor's Note: It's beyond the realm of human comprehension how newspaper owners in the mainstream lack the decency to mount an investigation for the memory of all the dead children and the many others who have suffered at the hands of corrupted politicians and church leaders.

By ignoring this story for more than five decades, major newspaper owners in the United States should be branded as co-conspirators along with the corrupted church leaders and politicians, who all march to the altar in lockstep every Sunday with the blood of the Duplessis Orphans dripping from their dirty hands.

Duplessis orphans want Montreal burial site dug up

Updated Sat. Jun. 19 2004 6:34 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

A group of surviving "Duplessis Orphans" wants the current Quebec government to unearth an abandoned cemetery, which they say contains the bodies of orphans who were victims of medical experiments years ago.

The Montreal east end site is now a warehouse for the liquor commission, but until 1958 it was a gravesite.

The group believes the cemetery may be the final resting site of orphans who were used in medical experiments at the Cite de St. Jean de Dieu insane asylum, now named Louis-Hyppolite Lafontaine Hospital. They want the bodies exhumed so autopsies can be done.

The Duplessis Orphans numbered about 20,000 children born to unwed mothers in 1940s and 50s, during the time of Quebec premier Marcel Duplessis' provincial reign.

The children were taken in by the church and even though they were normal, they were deemed mentally deficient, so the church could get hefty government grants for their care.

Now, some of the survivors would like to prove that some of them were victims of medical experiments such as lobotomies.

Paul St. Aubin, one of the so-called orphans, told CFCF News he received electroshock therapy and was lobotomized during his 18 years at Cite de St. Jean de Dieu.

And Sylvio Vincent, who lived at the same hospital, said it was his job to wash the bodies of those who died in the operating ward. He said many of the bodies he saw had holes in their heads.

In 1942, a law was passed that allowed the nuns to sell the orphans' unclaimed bodies to medical schools for $10. The selling of orphans' bodies continued into the 1960s.

In 2002, the province agreed to pay a settlement of about $25,000 to each of the surviving 1,100 orphans labeled as mentally deficient, but did not include any compensation for victims of sexual or other abuse.


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Joseph Martin was 5 1/2 years old in 1938 when his parents, promised he would receive a good education, placed him in Montreal’s Buisonnet Institute. Shortly thereafter, he was transferred to St. Jean de Dieu, where he remained until 1956.

Upon his arrival at St. Jean de Dieu, Martin said, he and other young people were stripped of personal belongings, including jewelry, clothing, pictures of cherished relatives, money and identification.

Martin, today a Montreal cabinetmaker, readily recounts stories of abuse. He said that in 1941, he witnessed a 10-year-old boy beaten to death by two guards. Incredibly, said Martin, many of the guards hired to watch over the children were young criminals who had been in reform schools. And many guards — some of whom he named — allegedly sodomized the youths.

When Martin, after being assaulted repeatedly, complained to hospital authorities, he received the ultimate “warning.” The culprits drove a knife into his left eye, blinding him, and told him that if he complained again, he would also lose the right eye.

For years, according to Martin, three children each week were victims of operations during which vital organs such as hearts, lungs, kidneys and livers were cut out and sold in the U.S. A gray-and-black refrigerated vehicle transported the organs, he said.

Carol Rutz noted, “Their organs could be harvested and sold and no one would be the wiser. They were the expendables simply because they were available."

What remained of the bodies, said Martin, would be buried in cardboard boxes, three children per box, in what was known as the “pigsty” cemetery — so named because it was where pigs were kept, and where the remains of dead swine and other animals were also disposed of.

But not all children were buried. In the early 1950s at St. Jean de Dieu, Martin said, he saw hospital staff carrying the dead bodies of children as young as 5 to a large incinerator, where they were thrown in with the hospital’s garbage.

The youngest children, Martin charged, were kept out of sight in cells and cages at the back of St. Jean de Dieu under barbaric conditions — in straitjackets, heavily drugged and befouled by their own waste.

Powerlessness

Like other Orphans interviewed, Jean-Guy Labrosse has painful memories. One includes the feeling of utter powerlessness. While incarcerated at St. Michel Archange, for example, Labrosse said he was told by psychiatrist Jean-Yves Gosselin that he held all the cards to the fate of the children.

"Once you come in here, we are the ones who decide when you may be liberated," Gosselin allegedly told Labrosse.

When contacted by Freedom, Gosselin, who served as president of the Canadian Psychiatric Association in 1993, said he wouldn’t comment on Labrosse’s allegation. Currently practicing in Ottawa, Gosselin said he couldn’t remember whether he had treated Duplessis Orphans or not.

But he admitted that during his tenure as staff psychiatrist at St. Michel Archange from 1959 to 1963, he had placed a number of patients on farms. Of note, according to former Quebec Ombudsman Daniel Jacoby and reports received by Freedom, Orphans placed on farms were also victimized.

Beatings, Torture, Sodomy

Freedom contacted psychiatrist Denis Lazure for response to allegations by Joseph Martin and others regarding abuses at St. Jean de Dieu. In addition to interning at the institution in 1952, Lazure served as its director from 1974 to 1976. In 2000, he returned to the renamed facility, Louis-Hippolyte Lafontaine, as a practicing psychiatrist.

According to a statement provided on Lazure’s behalf by Jean Lepage, public relations director for Louis-Hippolyte Lafontaine, investigations into claims that Orphans had been severely harmed “were never proven and therefore considered unfounded.”

Lepage referred to a 1997 report by the then Quebec ombudsman, Daniel Jacoby, in which the Orphans’ complaints were documented.

Jacoby’s report, however, does not state that the Orphans’ statements of abuse were unfounded. He did indeed find evidence of such abuses as psychosurgery, electroshock, ice baths, beatings, straitjacketing, torture, sodomy and “unjustified confinement to a cell — sometimes for months or even years.”13

In fact, after the Quebec attorney general announced in February 1995 that no charges would be brought, Jacoby stated, “in almost all cases, the reasons invoked by the attorney general did nothing to deny the existence of the facts. Neither the statute of limitations nor the death of a suspect or complainant throw the alleged acts into question.”14

Rejecting Lazure’s response to Freedom as “a pack of lies,” Rod Vienneau pointed to the psychiatrist’s own memoirs for corroboration of abuses. “I believe Denis Lazure should be the first one to be brought to court” for crimes against innocent children, Vienneau said.

Specific allegations by Vienneau and others, most importantly, have never been investigated by authorities empowered to bring perpetrators to justice. With no proper investigation, Vienneau said, one cannot say claims are “unfounded,” particularly in the presence of eyewitnesses and other evidence.

“They Became Vegetables”

Experiments were not limited to any one institution such as St. Jean de Dieu. Neurosurgeon Guy LaMarche, for example, admitted that in the 1950s, each Wednesday, two or three lobotomies were performed on patients at St. Michel Archange, as prescribed by the institution’s head psychiatrist, even though “we had no idea” how the operations would affect the institution’s patients. “More often than not, they became vegetables,” LaMarche said.15

An official probe can determine how many of the victims may have been Orphans, said CCHR’s Denis Coté. “This dark chapter in Canada’s history needs to be aired for all to see in a series of hearings,” he said. “I believe it would be best for an independent public inquiry to examine this.”

In its own investigation, Freedom found what appears to be an ongoing campaign of deception and disinformation designed to derail any examination of criminal acts or other misconduct against the Orphans by psychiatrists and others, and to keep those crimes covered up.

Orphans seeking justice, for example, have reported threats and assaults. Joseph Martin said he was visited at his home by four men who refused to identify themselves but warned him to “shut up.” This occurred a few days after Freedom had contacted Louis-Hippolyte Lafontaine Hospital for comment regarding allegations by Martin and others.

As part of any official investigation, witnesses and their families must be safeguarded.

emerald
04-02-2010, 11:04 AM
The Order of the Solar Temple

Synthesis of the CICNS

TFI (french TV) declared in 2001: “The various massacres related to the Order of the Solar Temple, occurring at the same period as various dramas with strong international repercussion also related to sectarian movements, strongly contributed to harden in France the fight against the sects.”

One can note today how these strongly mediatized tragedies cause the panic, precipitation in the judgments and hatred. The public is far from informed on the remote regions of all these businesses. One gives him with reading and hearing only what causes the fear.

The Solar Temple, or OTS, became sadly celebrates with five slaughters: September 30th, 1994, 5 members of the OTS die in the fire of a house with Morin Heights, in Quebec. October 5th, 1994, 48 carbonized bodies are found in Switzerland, 23 in Cheiry and 25 with Barn-on-Salvan, including two Masters of the OTS, Luc Jouret and Joseph Di Mambro. December 15th, 1995, 16 people burned in a clearing of Vercors, including 3 children, as well as the woman and the son of Jean Vuarnet. March 22nd, 1997, 5 followers of the solar Temple, including 3 French, are found carbonized in Saint-Casimir, Quebec.

Three important men of the OTS

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Joseph di Mambro, former jeweller. Before founding the Order of the Solar Temple (OTS) spent 6 months in prison for swindle. Thereafter, and always before the OTS, he attended a grouping successor of the S.A.C (civic service of action, a parapolice founded by Charles Pasqua), which will be mingled with at least one of the massacres.

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Luc Jouret, a former Maoist, into whom Di Mambro would have asked to integrate an esoteric Order ; the Renovated Order of the Temple in order to take possession of it following the death of his great Master. What Luc Jouret does. He will rename this order: Order of the Solar Temple.

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Michel Tabachnick, musician, the third man of the Order is at the origin of the esoteric theses of the OTS, then will take again his writings “L'archée” (written well before its arrival in the OTS).

In the 80's, the number of followers of the OTS grows in Quebec. Many executives of one of the most important Quebec companies, Hydroquébec,
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integrate the Order, fascinated by the theories of Luc Jouret on all the subjects.

Massacres

Di Mambro, during this time, has a child, Emmanuel (a girl, in fact, which will be presented as a boy) which it declares being new Christ. Other members have, a little later, a boy, whom they will also call him Emmanuel. According to the sectarian thesis, Di Mambro would have declared that it was about the Antichrist and active the 1994 slaughter in Canada (during which the child is killed out of a pile planted in the heart), first of the series presented like a ritual sacrifice.

Slaughters of Cheiry and Salvan are connected, and the sectarian thesis and that of the collective suicide are followed by Justice and the media. A more thorough investigation becomes impossible since the Judge Piller made burn all the incriminating evidences. A journalist, Eric Lemasson, even states to have discovered in the dustbins of the destroyed houses (that the police force would have neglected), tapes of hallucinated conversations on “transits towards Venus or Jupiter” contributing to guarantee the most eccentric thesis.

One year later, in 1995, the massacre of Vercors however presents disconcerting elements : according to Gilbert Lavoué, legal fire expert in charge of the investigation, the victims could not burn in a kind of ritual wood fire but rather of to phosphorus flame thrower; the marks of violent blows carried by the victims indicate that they were not consenting and, still more surprising, two of the victims were members of the French secret service, including a certain Lardanchet, towards which Luc Jouret had expressed suspicions of infiltration with an aim “of destroying the OTS” (a mail of Jouret was found describing the charges against him). These facts raise important matters. The report of Yves Boisset presents another found mail of Di Mambro, addressed to “Very dear Charlie”, showing Charles Pasqua, then Minister of Interior Department, “to be set on destroying the OTS by preparing a collective massacre”.

Serious doubts about the sectarian thesis

These remote regions give birth to new suspicions and the less basic thesis of an external intervention starts to take form. The absence of digital fingerprints and the disappearance of the majority of the vehicles keys finished convincing a certain number of people, and in particular several victims families, that people still alive left the places after the massacre (and not the suicide) by making disappear all the traces, and that something else, much less weird than the sectarian thesis, was concerned.

But everyone does not wish that the antisectes explanation be swept. A sister of one of the victims, Ute Verona, testifies to the presence of a man, who presented himself at her sister's apartment like a police officer, right before the discovery of the bodies. She observed through the peephole of her door that the man brings several full trash bags in her sister apartment before disappearing. Thereafter, having revealed what she had seen, she was subjected to death threats phone calls.

Chicaneries in the real estate, money laundering

With the assassination of Yann Piat, French political woman, in February 1994, the track of various negociations in connection with real estate projects on the Riviera, mingle with that with the OTS. Indeed, after massacres of OTS, two members of SAC, which could be the murderers of Mrs. Piat (rather than two small responsible shadies indicated and who are innocent), are found “committed suicide” with fumes of their vehicle in a garage, with capes of the OTS in their car and some works of the Order.

According to Alain Vuarnet, relative of two of the victims, the OTS was before all a “boiler to bleach money”. Sums of several million francs were discovered on accounts in Australia (on the whole, the sum of 186 million dollars was advanced) in the name of various people of which Di Mambro and other personalities, but denied then by the authorities right after their discovery, supplementing the long succession of blunders, refusals and errors of the investigations since the beginning of the business.

According to Alain Vuarnet, all was done to direct the public opinion, Justice and the media on the thesis of the sect and the collective suicide so that nobody is interested in the monstrous chicaneries which proceeded in background. Unfortunately, the parallel investigations were blocked (according to the report of Yves Boisset, a police commander judicaire, Gilbert Houvenaghel even asked the families having filed a complain to withdraw their complaints) and Justice didn't even paid attention to it (for the families, it is about a Justice “blind, deaf and dumb”).

You only have to question the public opinion to realize today that the sectarian thesis took all the place. Few people have a clear idea on what was held in 1994 and 1995 and which, under cover of collective suicides of an esoteric sect, wich is closest to a politico-gangster business whose folding screen antisectes, one year after, the business of Waco was finally very practical. As it will be in other situations thereafter.

Dont forget one of their top figure victims, royal slave/actress GRACE DE MONACO.

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Mini-documentary: In the mid-20th century, under the regime of Quebec Premier Maurice Duplessis, tens of thousands of disadvantaged children were transferred from orphanages into asylums in a corrupt ploy to divert funding into psychiatric coffers. Many simply vanished. Today, a small band of survivors and their families seek answers — and justice. Read the full story here :

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Clarina Duguay remembers what life was like before her mother, Clara, moved away. The eldest daughter among five children, she recalls the happy life of a family, cash-poor but rich in love, in Cap d’Espoir, a fishing village on Canada’s Gaspe peninsula.

Every morning, with her dog, Coffee, she helped her mother gather up the eight or nine cows the family owned so they could be milked. From her mother, she learned many things, including how to bake delicious bread — a skill that today, more than 60 years later, she still enjoys.

In a rural community where horses were the primary means of transportation, Clara encouraged Clarina’s dream of one day becoming an airline stewardess. It was a close-knit family, one where each member supported the others.

The idyllic life ended in 1945, when Clara, stricken by tuberculosis, moved to a sanatorium.

Clarina’s father, Joseph Duguay, a lumberjack frequently away from home, was persuaded by the family doctor and the parish priest to send Clarina and her younger sister, Simonne, to an orphanage in Rimouski, on the St. Lawrence River. He was told they would be well educated.

But in 1946, shortly after Clarina turned 11, she and perhaps 10 other children from the facility were loaded onto a bus. Told they were being taken on a tour of Rimouski, they were instead driven to the town of St. Ferdinand, hundreds of miles away, and through the gates of the St. Julien psychiatric institution. There, Clarina’s horror story began.

Fraudulent Psychiatric Labels

Many years later, Clarina would learn of the false psychiatric label — “mentally retarded” — that condemned her to St. Julien.

But at the time, she inexplicably entered a hell where she scrubbed floors endlessly on orders from the institution’s staff.

“They would plunge our heads into ice-cold water if we did something wrong,” Clarina said, adding that they would be kept immersed almost to the point of drowning. To this day, she dreads water and fears she will drown.

For the tiniest infraction, she could be forced to kneel in an excruciating position for hours, or put in a straitjacket, or locked to a bed with no mattress — her feet tied to the cold steel frame and her head pinned down by a dog collar around her neck. She reported being sexually assaulted.

Simonne later joined her at St. Julien, also unknowingly labeled retarded. With both girls, their father was not informed of their fate. Letter writing was forbidden at Rimouski and St. Julien; compounding that barrier, the girls’ father could neither read nor write. Presuming no news was good news, he trusted his daughters were being properly cared for.

And when Clarina cried for her mother, a staff member told her that Clara had died of syphilis in another psychiatric institution. In truth, she succumbed to tuberculosis at the sanitarium, unaware of her daughters’ plight.

But then it got worse. Clarina remembers the chlorpromazine she and others at St. Julien were forced to take, an experimental drug at the time*, but one so powerful its principal pioneer and promoter, German-born psychiatrist Heinz Lehmann, would later dub it a “pharmacological substitute for lobotomy.”1

“It made me into a zombie,” Clarina said. The drug, known as Largactil in Canada and Thorazine in the United States, was administered by injection and by pills, virtually every day. She was told it was “cold medicine".
* Chlorpromazine was not approved for use in the United States by the Food and Drug Administration until 1954

Hidden Terrors


Robbed of their childhoods and their educations, Clarina and Simonne are two among perhaps 3,000 surviving “Duplessis Orphans.”

Naming themselves after former Quebec Premier Maurice Duplessis*, many of these individuals, like Clarina and Simonne, were in fact not orphans at all, but had been born to poor families that had difficulty caring for them, or to unwed mothers. Although no official tallies were kept, over a span of several decades, it has been estimated they numbered in the tens of thousands and perhaps as many as 100,000.

As bad as things were, Clarina and Simonne consider themselves luckier than most of the Orphans — Simonne managed to escape after several years and, when her family learned of the sisters’ ordeal, they freed Clarina on May 8, 1953.

Like many of those who suffered, Clarina chose not to talk about her experiences, preferring to put the past behind her. She went to work as a seamstress in Montreal, abandoning her plans of working for an airline and seeing the world, but grateful to once again enjoy freedom.

In 1965, she met Rod Vienneau, a singer and songwriter who also worked as a construction worker and miner. They married in May the next year. For decades, she kept her terrors at St. Julien a secret from her children and her husband.

Only after the truth about the Duplessis Orphans began to emerge in the 1990s did Clarina share her story with her husband and, ultimately, with Freedom.

Child Victims:
Their World Turned Upside Down

Today, Rod Vienneau, as founder of the Commission for Victims of Crimes Against Humanity, represents survivors who seek to expose and bring to account the psychiatrists and government officials responsible for alleged crimes and abuses against the Orphans.

Since 1992, when he obtained Clarina’s medical files under Canada’s Access to Information Act, he has investigated abuses against the Orphans, also leading protest marches, letter-writing campaigns and other activities to draw attention to injustices at many similar facilities — such as Mont Providence in Montreal, converted from an orphanage and school to a psychiatric hospital in one day.

At that institution, since renamed Riviere des Prairies Psychiatric Hospital, Vienneau said, “Overnight, they emptied the classrooms, got rid of the books, and put bars on the windows. They turned the rooms into cells.”

The morning the children’s nightmare began at Mont Providence, the nuns, instead of wearing their familiar black-and-white habits, dressed in white — a stark sign of conversion to a psychiatric hospital.

“The children had a life before,” said Vienneau. “There was schooling. They could play. All of that changed. It was hard labor. No more learning.”

At psychiatric facilities throughout Quebec, he said, “They used the Orphans for the dirty work.”

Normal boys and girls in the child welfare system were degraded and dehumanized, he said, coerced via pain and punishment into becoming a slave-labor force in the province’s mental institutions. Instead of learning to read and write, they swabbed floors and hallways, cleaned the clothes of adult inmates, washed adults incapacitated by drugs, shocks and lobotomies, and served in other menial, often backbreaking capacities — all for the profit of their psychiatric overlords.

Stigmatized

As with Clarina and Simonne, relatives who placed children in Quebec orphanages customarily had been promised they would receive a "good education” if turned over to the institutions.

Instead, for decades, psychiatrists falsely declared thousands of them to be mentally ill or retarded. The children were moved to psychiatric asylums or, as at Mont Providence, facilities were converted to mental institutions. The psychiatric labels enabled institutions to obtain “nearly twice the amount per child, and sometimes more, depending on how children were classified and where they were placed.”2

Although their poor performance on I.Q. tests stemmed from a lack of schooling, normal children were stigmatized with such psychiatric tags as “idiot” and “imbecile” — false labels that destroyed their lives and haunt survivors to this day.

Evidence unearthed by Freedom in its ongoing investigation, which began in 1999, points to the Duplessis Orphans as the largest instance of institutionalized child abuse in North America.

The death or disappearance of many children and young adults — Vienneau charged that 50,000 innocents were thus victimized — drives human rights advocates to demand a thorough investigation, particularly of psychiatrists and others who benefited from the mass tragedy.

False Label Brings
25 Years’ Incarceration

To date, no criminal court or human rights body has examined the alleged atrocities. Because of the lack of a probe, no psychiatrist engaged in or connected to alleged crimes against the Orphans — including experiments with brain-damaging drugs, electric shocks and lobotomies — has been charged, despite evidence of duplicity, misconduct and harm.

On June 22, 1967, for example, psychiatrist Louis Roy examined Duplessis Orphan Joseph Sylvestre as an outpatient at St. Michel Archange, a psychiatric institution in Quebec City since renamed Robert Giffard Hospital. After the examination, Roy failed to change Sylvestre’s earlier, false childhood diagnosis.

Years later, in 1991, Sylvestre approached Roy for assistance in finding a job and subsequently received a letter from Roy in which the psychiatrist admitted that Sylvestre had never been mentally ill.

“You were never mentally ill and you are fit,” Roy reportedly said.

The scandal was reported by the Journal de Montreal in 1992. When contacted at his office by the Journal, Roy confirmed the facts concerning Sylvestre — “my good friend JS,” as Roy called him.3

As early as 1962, a Quebec government body known as the Bedard Commission acknowledged that the Orphans had never been mentally ill or retarded and that they had been fraudulently labeled.

Despite this, Roy was never charged with wrongful diagnosis or any other crime, even after admitting in writing that Sylvestre had wrongfully spent 25 years confined to the psychiatric institution where Roy was the director.

Roy, now 75 and retired, admitted to Freedom that he had misdiagnosed Sylvestre, offering as excuses that Sylvestre had already been a patient when he took over his case and that things were “different” back then.

Roy said that no disciplinary action had been taken against him because Sylvestre had “only” received psychiatric drugs, not a lobotomy or electroshock. He refused to comment on whether there should be a public inquiry into the case of the Duplessis Orphans, but admitted he saw many abuses when working at St. Michel Archange. Due to his advanced years, he said, he wants to forget the past.

“He may want to forget it, but Roy and other psychiatrists created evil and destruction, and victims live the nightmare to this day,” said Denis Coté, a spokesperson for the Citizens Commission on Human Rights** in Quebec. “Psychiatry sentenced these Orphans to degradation, misery and, in many cases, death. After the lid started to come off, psychiatrists engaged in damage control to protect their own incomes and reputations. They played no part in helping the survivors.”


* Duplessis was Quebec’s premier from 1936 to 1939 and from 1944 to 1959. Due to human rights violations, electoral fraud, use of state powers against critics and other abuses, Duplessis’ tenure has been called “the Great Darkness.”

Human Guinea Pigs

Another psychiatrist in the saga is Denis Lazure, president of the Canadian Psychiatric Association in 1966.

From 1999 to 2001, Lazure headed the “Support Committee for Justice for the Duplessis Orphans” — an effort that, according to Rod Vienneau, betrayed those it pretended to help. Vienneau compared Lazure’s position on the committee to “a fox in the chicken coop.”

In his memoirs, Medecin et Citoyen, published in 2002, Lazure wrote that in 1952, while interning at Hospice St. Jean de Dieu, a massive psychiatric facility in Montreal since renamed Louis-Hippolyte Lafontaine Hospital, he and five other interns regularly administered electroshock and routinely put patients into insulin comas.4

Lazure breezily described how he would “start the day pushing the button on the electrical box that sends a current to provoke an epileptic-type convulsion in tens of patients who hadn’t received any preparatory medication.”5

Then he was off to the insulin coma rooms, “half-lit, vile-smelling, with two dozen patients that we’d inject with doses of insulin strong enough to induce a coma. After several hours of excessive sedation, they’d receive a glucose injection, which usually brought them back to consciousness. It sometimes happened that we got the shock of a patient that failed to reawaken.”6

Lazure painted a disturbing picture of St. Jean de Dieu, one in which psychiatrists played with and destroyed human life. Later in 1952, Lazure left the institution for Verdun Protestant (now Douglas) Hospital, where he assisted chemical lobotomy pioneer Lehmann in tests of chlorpromazine.7

Montreal journalist Kristian Gravenor quipped, “Lazure went on to head hospitals and run the provincial health ministry, fried brains and accidental overdoses not slowing him down one bit.”8

Lazure’s statement that he and Lehmann tested chlorpromazine in 1952 lends credence to claims by Clarina Duguay and others of being forced to take the drug prior to 1953 — the year Lehmann supposedly “discovered” how to use it to straitjacket patients — and raises questions regarding how many Orphans may have been exploited as human guinea pigs.

One St. Jean de Dieu doctor who asked not to be identified estimated that chlorpromazine was being administered to 500 people at St. Jean de Dieu in 1952 — even though the drug received its first approval for human use in Canada in 1957, according to Health Canada, the government agency over such matters.9

Psychiatry Destroys Life

Children’s advocate Carol Rutz, author of A Nation Betrayed, told Freedom that based on her research, the Duplessis Orphans became prime subjects for psychiatric testing and abuse.

These children, she said, were defenseless — easy prey for ruthless doctors who inflicted pain and death under the guise of science.

Many boys and girls, she said, “had no parents to return home to, hence the extent of their abuse needed no cover-up. Who would tell? They could be beaten or drugged into submission.”

Orphans at St. Jean de Dieu were selected to receive electroshock, drugs and other “treatments” primarily based on whether or not they had immediate family members who might come to their defense or protection, said one source who worked at the facility.

Rod Vienneau said Quebec psychiatrists viewed these children, who most often came from the province’s poorest families, as “unwanted.” They emptied Quebec’s orphanages, he said, “sending the ‘unwanted’ children to the psychiatric hospitals where psychiatrists could do any experiment that they wanted to do on 100,000 children — and no one would know.” (See “He Had No Brain!”.)

Evidence suggests that many boys and girls became victims of a psychiatric eugenics* program with connections to prominent members of the U.S. and Canadian psychiatric establishments.

“Defectives” was the sweeping label that Canadian psychiatrist Charles Kirk Clarke, a founder of the Canadian Mental Health Association, applied to immigrants from eastern and central Europe.10 Another Canadian eugenicist, Helen MacMurchy, a provincial “inspector of the feeble-minded,” campaigned for sterilization to prevent certain mothers from “filling the cradle with degenerate babies.”11

Freedom addressed this subject in a 1996 cover report in its Canadian edition entitled “The Ethnic Cleansing of the ‘Mentally Unfit’ — Sterilization in Canada.” The authors wrote, “The tools of the eugenicists thus became immigration controls, birth control, sterilization and finally euthanasia as carried out by the Nazis,” noting that the first three methods had been employed in Canada — resulting in, among other things, the involuntary sterilization of thousands of women, many of them Canadian Indian or other minorities.12

With fresh allegations now surfacing that many Duplessis Orphans died or disappeared, the fourth item on the eugenicists’ agenda, euthanasia, certainly warrants official investigation.

“They Were Allowed
to Kill Defenseless Children”

Indeed, the bodies of hundreds or even thousands of Duplessis Orphans, buried near Quebec psychiatric hospitals, may today hold the key to documenting what survivors have called "organized psychiatric genocide."

Montreal attorney Daniel Lighter suggested that Quebec officials permit exhumation of bodies buried on hospital grounds to determine to what extent Orphans may have been used for psychiatric experimentation, including lobotomies, electroshock and mass drugging.

"One can certainly argue that a free society has a responsibility to unearth the good, the bad and the indifferent of its past,” Lighter told Freedom. “There is certainly a compelling amount of evidence, even outside of a courtroom, to justify looking again at this case.”

At every step of the way, the Orphans’ treatment was guided by the hand of psychiatry. Documents obtained by Freedom reveal connections between the American Psychiatric Association (APA) and Quebec psychiatric facilities where Orphans were incarcerated. As far back as 1922, photographs and other evidence show a relationship between these facilities and the APA.

In 1954, for example, the APA recognized Montreal’s Verdun Protestant (now Douglas) Hospital for “notable achievements” in research. Freedom asked APA spokesperson Jason Young what this research entailed, but as of press time, had not received an answer.

The APA imprimatur raises questions as to who benefited from the Orphans’ false internment and why, said Lighter.

"It’s a very strange link to have the APA accrediting hospitals in Quebec. Why would that be?” he asked. “It suggests that the APA was not only intimately involved but that they were coordinating the experiments. It certainly begs questions and those questions deserve answers."

A documentary that aired in September 2004 on Quebec television station TQS reported there had been roughly 300,000 children in total; 200,000 of those were adopted, while 100,000 were held in orphanages, ready for adoption but never taken. These, reporter Gary Arpin implied, were the Duplessis Orphans.

One Orphan, Jean-Guy Labrosse, 66, today a retired construction worker, authored a 1964 book about his years in Quebec institutions, My Dog’s Life, which helped to bring abuses to light. "How many of my fellow [Orphans] have died, and have gone missing?” he asked in an interview with Freedom. “And when I say missing, I mean missing without a trace. In Quebec, they were allowed to kill defenseless children.”

Rod Vienneau estimates that at least half of the Orphans incarcerated in psychiatric hospitals died or disappeared in those institutions. “If somebody disappeared, it’s because somebody got rid of the person,” he said. “They were killed or murdered.”

* British psychologist Francis Galton coined “eugenics” from the Greek eugenes, meaning “good in stock” or “well-born.” Galton’s theories on eugenics were, in turn, forwarded by psychologists and psychiatrists. In Germany, for example, Galton’s work was used by psychiatrist Ernst Rudin and others to provide the impetus for racial hygiene and genocide programs.

“I Do Not Know the Doctors
Who Gave This False Diagnosis”

In 1999, Quebec Ombudsman Daniel Jacoby criticized the Quebec government’s “ongoing conspiracy of silence” and labeled its settlement offer to the Duplessis Orphans “unfair and humiliating.”22

After comparing settlements in similar cases in other Canadian jurisdictions, Jacoby suggested a compensation package equal to $56 million in U.S. currency — roughly $700 per patient for each year he or she spent in an institution as a result of a wrongful diagnosis, with an additional indemnity for physical or sexual abuse.

“The social context of the time cannot justify their internment in asylums for reasons more financial than medical, just as it cannot justify physical and sexual abuse,” wrote Jacoby. “Today’s society has a duty to officially recognize the harm done. Official apologies on the part of the government [and] the medical establishment...would undoubtedly be a good place to start.”23

On September 26, 2001, the Quebec government approved a settlement of $10,000 (Canadian) person, plus $1,000 per year of wrongful incarceration in mental institutions. No provisions were made for sexual or other abuse. If an Orphan refused to sign the agreement, he or she forfeited the right to the compensation.

Many Orphans were arbitrarily considered ineligible and hence received nothing. In an interview with Freedom, Rod Vienneau pointed to Paul St. Aubin as an example of those unjustly barred from the settlement.

Deprived of an education, St. Aubin, now 53, worked between the ages of 11 and 17 as a virtual slave on a Quebec farm. He then spent 18 years in the province’s mental institutions, where he received chlorpromazine, electric shock and at least two lobotomies.

Vienneau and others consider the 2001 settlement as nothing more than a means to block any genuine probe into crimes and misconduct. The settlement itself remains a subject of Freedom’s investigation.

In the late 1990s, a group of Orphans commissioned a study by Professor Leo-Paul Lauzon of the University of Quebec in Montreal. Lauzon found that certain institutions earned between $70 million and $100 million (Canadian) by fraudulently holding the Orphans.

That figure is supported by a letter from Maurice Duplessis himself, dated April 12, 1954, in which the Quebec premier agreed to pay one psychiatric facility alone, Mont Providence, $6 million over a three-year period. At least 13 institutions housed the Duplessis Orphans for several decades.

$100 million, of course, would be worth far more in today’s currency values.

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“He Had No Brain!”

How extensive might the experimentation in Quebec foster care facilities have been? The case of a 63-year-old retired racehorse trainer, Sylvio Albert Day, provides insight.

Orphaned at birth, Day worked at hard labor outdoors as a teen, often under brutally cold conditions, and then toiled for years inside psychiatric institutions — a normal young man compelled to work in a savage world where, every day, the threat of straitjackets, injections with brain-damaging drugs, and even lobotomies loomed.

Day described one three-month period when he transported the bodies of 67 dead Orphans — boys and girls, young men and women — from operating and electric shock rooms at a Montreal institution to the basement. There, he washed the bodies — some as young as 5 — in preparation for sale to local universities.

St. Jean de Dieu was the site, but it could have been any of two dozen or more Quebec institutions where such abuses are reported to have occurred.

Day told Freedom he witnessed the deadly effects of restraints, beatings, electroshock and lobotomies. He observed children and youths exploited as slave labor, the routine, massive use of mind-ravaging drugs and, quite possibly, the aftermath of experimental brain operations.

One day, for example, he was asked to remove a dead youth from an operating room. He transported the body to the morgue and took off the hospital robe, socks and cap.

"That’s when I jumped!” he said. “He was lying there on the sink and when I took off his cap, he had no brain! I could see the hole.”

Day washed the body as instructed and, a short while later, was summoned again to the operating room. Another Orphan lay dead.

This person had large holes drilled into his head.

Shaken, he was summoned yet again — this time to a cell where an Orphan had hung himself.

Day said that cadavers were sent from St. Jean de Dieu to the University of Montreal and McGill University, where body parts were removed. He was informed about the disposition of the bodies by a local embalmer, who warned him not to speak about their horrible condition.

The man made it clear, Day said, that “if I talked, I would have serious problems. And that’s why I stayed quiet.”

No ceremonies marked the deaths, with many children reportedly interred on the St. Jean de Dieu grounds in the pigsty cemetery described by Joseph Martin.

Day confirmed that the Orphans were placed in cardboard boxes and, in his words, "buried like dogs” in unmarked graves, one atop another.

Punished with Drugs

Day recalled complaining to a St. Jean de Dieu psychiatrist about working in the morgue, known among Orphans as "Dead People’s Hall." The psychiatrist threatened Day with serious repercussions if he did not return to his grisly assignment.

Threatened with “pills strong enough to put down a horse” and confinement “in a secret operating cell” where he would be subjected to “one week of treatments,” Day complied.

All told, Day said, he saw eight Orphans “with their heads cut wide open.” Troubled about what he perceived as experimental brain operations, Day approached St. Jean de Dieu’s Camille Laurin, an influential psychiatrist who later became a Quebec cabinet minister.

When Day complained to Laurin about the brain operations, the psychiatrist allegedly punished him by administering a powerful drug that rendered him senseless. Day said that he “fell unconscious and slept like a vegetable."

He believes the drug was chlorpromazine.


For years, Rod Vienneau has asked, "Who is being protected?"

Vienneau suspects that the Roman Catholic Church, vilified as being responsible because it owned St. Jean de Dieu and certain other facilities, was itself exploited by psychiatrists who fattened off money from pharmaceutical companies, intelligence agencies and the Canadian national government. (See “The ‘Chemical Lobotomy.’”)

In the early 1950s, Canada’s national government withdrew funding from the education field while remaining active in health matters. It considered Mont Providence, for example, run by the Sisters of Charity of Providence, to be an educational facility and therefore ineligible for funding.

The Quebec government under Duplessis, however, felt that as a re-education and rehabilitation center, Mont Providence should be considered a health care facility. Although Mont Providence was affiliated with St. Jean de Dieu, Ottawa held its ground. The Quebec government subsequently advised the Sisters of Charity to change the facility’s vocation to benefit from federal funding.

A $3 million agreement was signed in 1954 that converted the school to a psychiatric hospital, jettisoning its main purpose of educating and helping children.16

In a written response to Freedom regarding charges of abuse at Mont Providence, hospital spokesperson Johanne Gagnon readily admitted that the Orphans had been falsely labeled.

“The Sisters of Providence were in charge of the educational development of these Orphans,” Gagnon wrote. “They even continued their teachings after the Duplessis government delegated funds to this establishment, and ordered that no education was given to these children for they were ‘mentally crazy’ (that was the expression used at the time, referring to those with intellectual deficiency). Mont Providence, just like many centers, accepted that such labels be given to the young Orphans. I do not know the doctors who gave this false diagnosis.”

“Concentration Camps...
Right in Our Back Yard”

Vienneau believes many innocent boys and girls came to be used as human guinea pigs after government officials in Canada and the U.S. were co-opted by psychiatric interests.

As one index of the dominant psychiatric influence, more than $50 million was spent constructing new psychiatric hospitals in Quebec between 1952 and 1962. “None of these building investments went toward enhancing the quality of service and care,” Quebec Ombudsman Jacoby noted.17 Meanwhile, the children they housed suffered under barbaric conditions.

Falsification of records, lies to families and horrific experiments bear similarities to Nazi psychiatric programs for ridding society of “undesirables,” Vienneau said. In this case, the “unwanteds” were normal children born out of wedlock, or whose families could not afford them, or who thought their children would be better taken care of when turned over to the institutions.

Vienneau is not alone in drawing parallels between the Quebec institutions and those in Nazi Germany. Concurrent with the abuses against the Orphans in the 1950s and 1960s, Montreal’s McGill University was the site of Ewen Cameron’s ghastly work. (See “‘Mind Control’ Experimentation Exposed.”)

Cameron, infamous for barbarity and a penchant for operating without patient consent, maimed men and women with electroshock, lobotomies and drugs that included chlorpromazine and LSD. An international leading light of psychiatry, Cameron served as president of the Quebec Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, the American Psychiatric Association and the World Psychiatric Association.

In a 1986 review of the experiments Cameron conducted at McGill’s Allan Memorial Institute, Canadian physician George Cooper drew the same conclusion as Vienneau.

“We talk about concentration camps. I don’t want to make this comparison, but God, you know, talk about ’we didn’t know it was happening,’ and it was — right in our back yard," wrote Cooper.18

Some of Cameron’s victims were compensated by the U.S. Justice Department in 1988 with an out-of-court settlement totaling $750,000; in November 1992, the Canadian government announced it would give $100,000 apiece to victims of his experiments.

According to one source, some Duplessis Orphans may have been “treated” at Cameron’s Allan Memorial Institute, a possibility Freedom is investigating.

Dreading a Doctor Visit

“While many would prefer not to believe stories of horrific abuse, if they are not believed, then injustice continues and similar abuses will be repeated,” said author Carol Rutz.

Today, surviving Orphans carry false labels of mental illness in their medical records despite decades of attempts to have them removed — a stigma that continues to haunt them. Clarina Duguay and others, for example, dread a simple trip to the doctor for any health problem. The threat of being locked up again looms over their lives — a living nightmare as long as the labels exist.

“All of the Orphans who can no longer speak for themselves, who died a tragic death or were lobotomized deserve to have the truth told,” said Rutz. “It takes a lot of courage to look at the truth and not turn your head away because it is too painful.”

Lawyer Lighter echoed Rutz by calling for justice. "There needs to be a public inquiry once and for all,” he said. “That is the only way there is to unearth the history of what happened and the role everyone played."

A longtime member of the Quebec Parliament, Louise Harel, is among those who have sought justice for the Orphans. On June 6, 2005, she became leader of the official opposition in Quebec’s National Assembly.

Harel told Freedom that the false labels should be removed and also expressed concern regarding the large number of lobotomies that had been performed in Quebec.

After the interview with Freedom, and following her receipt of detailed information from Rod Vienneau, Harel wrote on the Orphans’ behalf to Michelle Courschesne, Quebec’s minister of Employment and Social Programs. In her letter, she mentioned the hardship endured by the Orphans and encouraged Courschesne to contact Vienneau.

For Vienneau and others, the injustices suffered by innocent children stand as a powerful reminder and a mandate to keep fighting for those who perished and those who can no longer fight for themselves.

"When will the Orphans truly be free?” Vienneau asked. “Hopefully, before they all die. But as long as they carry this psychiatric label of mental illness on their shoulders, they will never be free. Even today, the Orphans live in the era of Great Darkness. We want justice and we want the truth, finally, to be told.”

“Mind control”
experimentation exposed


After psychiatrist Ewen Cameron’s destructive activities — vicious brain-damaging experimentation on unsuspecting patients — were exposed and condemned in U.S. Congressional hearings in the 1970s, the psychiatric industry promoted the notion that he had acted alone. Investigation by Freedom, however, proved this to be false. Indeed, other psychiatrists, including William Sargant of the United Kingdom, while publicly decrying Cameron’s work, were secretly performing similar tests.24

Colin Ross, M.D., an authority on mind control experiments and author of such books as Bluebird: Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality Disorder by Psychiatrists, pointed out that Cameron and Sargant were two of the four founders of the World Psychiatric Association.

Ross told Freedom that psychiatrists carried out a deliberate campaign of deception in Cameron’s wake to limit the damage to psychiatry’s reputation. The disinformation, he said, conveyed that Ewen Cameron and his brutal work had been “just an isolated incident, that it happened a long time ago back in the ’50s, and that there were different ethical standards back then.”

But Ross noted that while Cameron’s research “completely violated the ethical standards of the time,” his experiments were far from isolated from his fellow psychiatrists.

And although books, documentaries and films such as “The Manchurian Candidate” have exposed the exploitation of adults in mind control, and the victims of his well-publicized intelligence agency-funded experimentation were compensated by the Canadian federal government, little has been communicated about the use of such coercive methods on children, as with the Duplessis Orphans.
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turquoisefire777
04-02-2010, 01:30 PM
congrats to everyone who has put so much constructive effort and passion into this thread!
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http://www.friendskorner.com/forum/photopost/data/780/congratulations-flower-butterfly2.gif

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turquoisefire777
04-02-2010, 01:36 PM
http://www.creativedeconstruction.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/kurt_cobain.jpg
http://www.creativedeconstruction.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/kurt_cobain.jpg

turquoisefire777
04-02-2010, 02:01 PM
Kurt Cobain got killed also because he knew...something's in the way to truth..............not anymore...nirvana-something in the way - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg-yYi8saZY


http://kurtcobain.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/kurt-cobain-converse-one-star-3.jpg
http://kurtcobain.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/kurt-cobain-converse-one-star-3.jpg

royq
04-02-2010, 08:38 PM
Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit - YouTube

/thread.

turquoisefire777
04-02-2010, 09:22 PM
Mind Manipulation: Ancient and Modern Ninja Techniques
Mind Manipulation: Ancient and Modern Ninja Techniques: Amazon.co.uk: Hala Lung, Christopher B. Prowant: 9780806523835: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41pNzzA-TML.@@AMEPARAM@@41pNzzA-TML



-MK Ultra gets a mention by Haha Lung-

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Mind Control: The Ancient Art of Psychological Warfare
by Haha Lung (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mind-Control-Ancient-Psychological-Warfare/dp/0806528001/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b)

Synopsis
This title offers effective mind control techniques for beginners through to experts. These are not the droids you are looking for...Legendary martial arts expert HaHa Lung returns with a classic text on the tricks and techniques of combative mind control. It is a fantastically comprehensive guide to the art and skill of psychological warfare, from martial arts guru HaHa Lung. Lung demonstrates step-by-step techniques for breaking through an enemy's defences and using their fears, hopes, superstitions and beliefs against them. Expanding on the techniques outlined in his classic "Mind Manipulation", Lung draws on practices created by Sun Tzu, Yoritomo and Musashi, covering a wide range of Asian mind control techniques including: the Art of Intimidation; the Craft of the Hircarrah, Vietnamese voodoo; Chinese Face: the Art of K'ung Ming and Chinese Face Reading; Samurai Sly: Yoritomo's Art of Influence; and, Biblical Black Science

dezkillaz
05-02-2010, 05:30 AM
New Massive Attack's artwork reminds me of something...

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3127/heligoland.jpg

maybe inspired by something like... http://cubimension.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/clockwork-orange.jpg
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee195/hugzzzz/anger.jpg

another eye in the cogwheel ...from "Invocation of my Demon Brother" by Kenneth Anger 1969

hunkahunka
05-02-2010, 10:16 AM
http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/images/uploads/5178-NationalPostLogo.jpg



National Post editorial board: Women's Studies is still with us


Editorial

If the reports are to be believed, Women’s Studies programs are disappearing at many Canadian universities. Forgive us for being skeptical. We would wave good-bye without shedding a tear, but we are pretty sure these angry, divisive and dubious programs are simply being renamed to make them appear less controversial.

The radical feminism behind these courses has done untold damage to families, our court systems, labour laws, constitutional freedoms and even the ordinary relations between men and women.

Women’s Studies courses have taught that all women — or nearly all — are victims and nearly all men are victimizers. Their professors have argued, with some success, that rights should be granted not to individuals alone, but to whole classes of people, too. This has led to employment equity — hiring quotas based on one’s gender or race rather than on an objective assessment of individual talents.

Executives, judges and university students must now sit through mandatory diversity training. Divorcing men find they lose their homes and access to their children, and must pay much of their income to their former spouses (then pay tax on the income they no longer have) largely because Women’s Studies activists convinced politicians that family law was too forgiving of men. So now a man entering court against a woman finds the deck stacked against him, thanks mostly to the radical feminist jurisprudence that found it roots and nurture in Women’s Studies.

The equality protection before and under the law, granted to all Canadians regardless of race, sex, creed or origin, has been eroded because feminist legal scholars convinced the Supreme Court to permit preferential treatment for “traditionally disadvantaged groups,” chief among whom, they contend, are women.

Over the years, Women’s Studies scholars have argued all heterosexual sex is oppression because its “penetrative nature” amounts to “occupation.” They have insisted that no male author had any business writing novels from women’s perspectives; although, interestingly, they have not often argued the converse — that female writers must avoid telling men’s stories.

They have pushed for universal daycare and mandatory government-run kindergarten, advocated higher taxes to pay for vast new social entitlements and even put forward the notion that the only differences between males and females are “relatively insignificant, external features.” All other differences are said to be the result of patriarchal brainwashing. So the only way to ensure gender equality is to turn over all education to the state, where professionals can ensure only unbiased instruction.

In sum, there would be little of rational worth left even if Women’s Studies were to disappear. Yet despite all the handwringing by the programs’ supporters, are the worst elements of Women’s programs really disappearing or just being renamed? Are the professors different? Has the basic philosophy behind the program changed? Has the curriculum been altered?

In most cases the answer is no. Little has changed but the nomenclature.

While we’d like to cheer and say “Good riddance,” we’re certain such celebration would be premature.

emerald
05-02-2010, 10:51 AM
http://new.music.yahoo.com/nirvana-269788/news/kurt-cobains-daughter-to-make-singing-debut-with-my-chemical-romances-gerard-way--61998810

hunkahunka
05-02-2010, 02:48 PM
video:

Beyonce and Madonna's Metropolis ritual

Part 1

The Industry Part 1 - YouTube

Part 2
The Industry part 2 - YouTube

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/PimPb1420/1254619712thehuntforred.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/PimPb1420/1254620479terminator2ju.jpg

nice ritual hood there, been to a grove lately?

Part 3
The Industry Part 3 - YouTube

hunkahunka
05-02-2010, 03:31 PM
repost missing video link

video:

Cher and Chaz Episode 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95sSf_mCWb4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.roseanneworld.com%2Fblog%2F&feature=player_embedded#t=54

produced by Roseanne Barr, starring the talented Nadya Ginsburg and Jackie Beat.

wyndham
05-02-2010, 04:43 PM
More Gus Van Sant mind control connections:


The Merry Pranksters were led by Ken Kesey and closely associated with CIA
hippy cult band The Grateful Dead, who co-hosted with the pranksters gigantic
LSD parties known as 'acid tests'. Pranksters hippy cult flower child Courtney Love , at six years old, appeared
on the back of this Grateful Dead album (her father Hank Harrison was manager of the Grateful Dead):

http://www.connollyco.com/discography/grateful_dead/aoxomoxoa_hi.jpg
http://www.univie.ac.at/Anglistik/easyrider/data/graphics/aoxomoxoa2.jpg
Courtney Love is the little girl at center right


http://www.digitallyobsessed.com/cover_art2/peoplevsflynt-se.jpg
Courtney Love played alongside Woody Harrelson as the wife of former strip club owner/ sex slave handler/pornographer Larry Flynt in the 1996 film 'The People vs. Larry Flynt'

http://l.yimg.com/eb/ymv/us/img/flickr/02/35/002628900235.jpg
Woody Harrelson and Courtney Love in 'The People vs. Larry Flynt
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http://agentgenius.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/larry-flynt.jpg
Larry Flynt
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/1/9/1231493838800/Larry-Flynt-001.jpg


So, CIA hippy cult flower child Courtney Love is put in a film about mk handler Larry Flynt (army and navy, bipolar)
alongside Woody Harrelson. Next , we hear that Gus Van Sant , of all people, is putting Woody Harrelson
in a film about Courtney Love's 'extended family' CIA cult, Ken Kesey's Merry Pranksters:

.

http://www.longhousepoetry.com/courtneylove.gif

Ken Kesey's One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest was filmed at a Kirkbride in Salem , Oregon, not far from Gus Van Sant's home base of Portland, Oregon, and in the region that Courtney Love grew up in after she was moved from San Francisco as a child.


Norm MacDonald on meeting Larry Flint starts at 4:25, whom, by the way, grew-up on a military base in Quebec

Norm MacDonald Talk Show 1997 (Part 2) - YouTube

wyndham
05-02-2010, 09:08 PM
http://www.electronicbeats.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/elliott-smith-revived-in-documentary_header_image.jpg

Während alle Welt darauf wartet, dass Gus Van Sant endlich sein Opus Magnum über Elliot Smith produziert, ist mit “Searching For Elliott Smith” nun schon mal eine Dokumentation über das Leben des begnadeten Singer-Songwriters erscheinen. Der Regisseur Gil Reyes setzt sich darin mit dem Leben und dem mysteriösen Tod Smiths auseinander.

hunkahunka
06-02-2010, 10:23 AM
video: Masonic Gang Signs

quote:
==========================================
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6xEM-IqPVg&feature=player_embedded#at=195

William Cooper and Jordan Maxwell unanimously agree that street gangs
and the mafia are both controlled by the "Illuminati".
===========================================/quote

emerald
06-02-2010, 03:32 PM
:eek::eek::eek:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1248865/Boy-8-killed-socialite-mother-botched-murder-suicide-New-York-hotel-Fifth-Avenue.html

ebta
06-02-2010, 04:19 PM
Please click one of the Quick Reply icons in the posts above to activate Quick Reply.

hunkahunka
06-02-2010, 06:25 PM
repost missing video link:

Norm MacDonald on meeting Larry Flint starts at 4:25, whom, by the way, grew-up on a military base in Quebec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKvNigYCd1c

hunkahunka
07-02-2010, 01:30 AM
audio:

fascinating Gnosticmedia interview of Peter Levenda, author of Unholy Alliance and Sinister Forces

(fast forward to 9:22 to hear the Levenda interview)

http://gnosticmedia.podomatic.com/enclosure/2009-12-14T09_41_27-08_00.mp3
after the Levenda interview keep listening because Levenda is followed by a 1971 Mae Brussel interview about Charles Manson.


http://gnosticmedia.podomatic.com/mymedia/thumb/1106869/460%3E_2442787.jpg

http://gnosticmedia.com/

http://gnosticmedia.com/gm/Header.jpg (http://gnosticmedia.com/)

ellis_deatrip
07-02-2010, 05:38 AM
Is this thread still about Kurdt Cobain's murdercide???
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k300/agentbedhead/Two/0105lovecorgan.jpghttp://www.smashingpumpkins.soluko.com/courtglam.jpg
Meanwhile, Love's former boy toy Billy Corgan issued a new single this week called "Widow Wake My Mind" under his Smashing Pumpkins brand. It's part of a 44-song project called "Teagarden by Kaleidyscope," which Corgan plans to record one song at a time and release for free. I guess you can't complain if it's free.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shawn-amos/courtney-love-axl-rose-an_b_430635.html

There is also information that Courtney was having an affair with Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins 3 weeks after Kurt's death. Apparently while the press had her at home as the upset widow, Tom Grant claims she called him from a resort in Arizona bragging that she was sleeping with Corgan. Courtney's father Hank Harrison has told the media that she was having an affair with Corgan while she was married to Kurt, which may or may not have contributed to Kurt's decision to leave Courtney and get his Will re-done.
http://www.justiceforkurt.com/investigation/faqs.shtml

hunkahunka
07-02-2010, 05:55 AM
video:

RITUAL MAGIC: ABUSE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49aAhsivWrY

hunkahunka
07-02-2010, 01:04 PM
video:

Professor Griff Speaking On Masons Pt 1 Irv Gotti, Suge Knight,H Prince,D.Dash - YouTube

Video Professor Griff Speaking On Masons Pt 2 Jennifer Hudon's Family Got Taken Out On Some Ritual Killings Says Jay Z Signed Rick Ross Young Jeezy Cause They Were Known Drug Dealers Audio - YouTube

2pac & the Illuminati connection (2pac knew he was gonna die in Vegas pt 17 (?)

Killuminati : Tupac exposing the illuminati pt2/17 - YouTube

Killuminati : Tupac exposing the illuminati pt3/18 - YouTube

Killuminati : Tupac exposing the illuminati pt4/18 - YouTube

Killuminati : Tupac exposing the illuminati pt5/18 x Satanist - YouTube

Killuminati : Tupac exposing the illuminati pt6/18 - YouTube

I think there may be about 25 different vids now, you can find the rest on youtube.


ODB killed by the Elite, exposes Mind Control, Wu Tang being a Govt Psy Op

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube- RAINMAN Ol' Dirty Bastard Conspiracy

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

emerald
07-02-2010, 01:45 PM
Is this thread still about Kurdt Cobain's murdercide???
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k300/agentbedhead/Two/0105lovecorgan.jpghttp://www.smashingpumpkins.soluko.com/courtglam.jpg


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46038&page=743
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46038&page=744

http://doppels.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2&page=42

http://doppels.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2&page=44

hunkahunka
07-02-2010, 07:31 PM
given that Jim Jones of Jonestown was once made director of the San Francisco Housing Authority, I thought it might be interesting to see what has been going on there in more recent times.


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The Housing Authority's Dirty Dozen
Twelve convicted drug dealers and other major felons have recently been employed by the San Francisco Housing Authority. But are there even more criminals on the public payroll?

By David Pasztor, George Cothran
Published on 08/05/1998


SF Weekly's findings are the first detailed confirmation of rumors that known drug dealers and violent criminals have found their way onto the Housing Authority payroll.

As part of a massive jobs program begun under the administration of Mayor Willie Brown, the San Francisco Housing Authority has used federal funds to hire at least 12 convicted felons with significant criminal histories that include dealing crack, assaulting police officers, attempting murder, and violating weapons laws, an SF Weekly investigation has found.

Five of the 12 men are still on the public payroll, including a $61,000-a-year painting foreman whom a police source describes as one of the biggest crack dealers in San Francisco. Seven other felons have worked for the agency in temporary jobs but are not on the payroll now.

Through court files and other sources, SF Weekly has confirmed that at least two of the 12 are targets of an ongoing federal investigation into charges that current or former Housing Authority workers are operating drug rings in the city's housing projects. Several of the 12 also have criminal histories linking them to a notorious drug gang that dominated crack and cocaine sales in the housing projects until it was busted up by federal prosecutors eight years ago.

SF Weekly's findings, first published July 15 on the newspaper's Web site, are the first detailed confirmation of rumors, swirling for months, that known drug dealers and violent criminals have found their way onto the Housing Authority payroll.

Ron Sonenshine, the agency's spokesman, contends that those findings are no cause for alarm. "You're talking about an extremely minute portion of the work force," Sonenshine says. The agency employs more than 1,000 people, most of them laborers, painters, and other workmen.

When first informed of the results of the SF Weekly investigation on July 14, Sonenshine asserted that federal law prohibited the Housing Authority from discriminating against job applicants with criminal histories.

"Within this socio-economic level, it is common that some individuals may have had an adversarial relationship with the criminal justice system," Sonenshine wrote in a statement responding to SF Weekly's questions. "Our objective, however, is to assist them to become a productive part of society. It is against federal law to hold against someone any previous criminal justice history with respect to employment."

A week later, after SF Weekly broke the story on its Web site and both the San Francisco Chronicle and Examiner reported some of SF Weekly's findings in their July 17 issues, Sonenshine announced that the agency was conducting a thorough review of its hiring practices.

"Please understand that this agency has been neglected for decades," Sonenshine said. "That's no secret. What the task is now, and it is a formidable one, is to conduct a thorough review of all policies, and that includes who we hire, how we hire them, and why we hire people."

Indeed, Alex Sachs, a spokesperson for the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development in Washington, D.C., says that nothing in HUD law or federal law in general prohibits housing authorities from looking into criminal backgrounds and using them as criteria for employment.

Any Housing Authority policy changes, however, will take time to formulate and implement. In the meantime, residents of the housing projects who have for years been besieged by crime, violence, and drug dealing might be shocked to learn of some of the neighborhood criminals who have drawn paychecks from the agency.

The 12 felons identified by SF Weekly are not minor miscreants. Most have major and repeated convictions and several are considered by police to be career criminals.

They include Aaron J. Johnson, a convicted cocaine dealer and one-time top lieutenant in the Beasley-Tatum drug gang who now makes an hourly wage that could add up to an annual salary of $61,048 as a painting foreman. Johnson, according to a police source, is one target of the ongoing federal investigation into drug dealing in the projects.

Then there's Robert Newt, who's served prison time for selling drugs, and who until March was a painter making a potential $53,019 a year. Just last Tuesday, Newt was sentenced to two years' probation in yet another drug case, and he has been identified as a target of the federal probe.

There's also Charles L. Tatum Jr., sentenced last Wednesday to 20 years in federal prison for dealing cocaine. He had been on the Housing Authority payroll until last November, and was arrested with 13 kilos of coke while he was supposed to be at work.

The list of other crimes committed by current and former Housing Authority workers runs the gamut of the state's penal code. Collectively, these once or present employees have been caught with massive quantities of drugs and cash, shot their enemies, beaten up their girlfriends, tried to run over police officers, been caught with guns and bombs, and committed a host of other offenses.

During its investigation of Housing Authority employees, SF Weekly spent three months sifting through hundreds of criminal case files in San Francisco, San Mateo, and Alameda counties, comparing court records with a Housing Authority payroll list.

the following article is important because it partially confirms what I have long suspected; that the
subsidized housing projects are all controlled by the same corrupt network, nationwide. In this
case, both the Cleveland and San Francisco housing authorities are intertwined in corruption. I suspect that
all of the major inner city housing authorities, nationwide, are intertwined, and that the real reason the govt. subsidizes housing is that it gives them a huge amount of power in selectively choosing who will be subsidized, moving people around, accessing their units, etc., and that they all may be part of creating CIA social engineering projects.

http://articles.sfgate.com/images/header-logo.gif

Housing Chief Indicted / Ohio accuses S.F. official of stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars
March 21, 2001|By Patrick Hoge, Chronicle Staff Writer

An Ohio federal grand jury indicted San Francisco Housing Authority Director Ronnie Davis today on charges of stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars in public money.

Davis, 50, was charged along with his former boss at Cleveland's housing authority, Claire Freeman-McCown, with using federal funds targeted for housing to pay themselves lavish bonuses and perquisites, and Freeman-McCown's mortgage payments.

"It involves quite a bit of money," said William J. Edwards, First Assistant U.S. Attorney in Cleveland. Davis will be notified of his indictment by mail, Edwards said.

Davis has long been under a cloud of suspicion in Cleveland and San Francisco, particularly since two audits by the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development, released almost simultaneously in March of 2000, detailed alleged financial abuses in both cities.

Both audits recommended administrative action be taken against Davis - including possibly firing him - as a result of his questioned use of public money in San Francisco and Ohio. The recommendations against Davis have been pending at HUD headquarters in Washington since last summer.

Davis, whose salary is $188,000 a year, came to San Francisco in late 1996 as part of a "recovery team" sent by HUD, which had taken control of the agency at newly elected Mayor Willie Brown's request. Davis was hired as the permanent manager in November of 1997 after the agency was returned to local control.

Mayor Willie Brown has been a strong supporter, and credits Davis with turning the troubled agency around. Others are critical of Davis' managerial style, and Supervisors Tom Ammiano and Matt Gonzalez have recently been focusing critical attention on his administration.

Before coming to San Francisco, Davis was the chief operating officer and was in charge of that agency's finances. In 1995 alone, a federal audit said, Davis received $368,000 in salary, bonuses and extra sick pay.

The Ohio audit came after a newspaper investigation revealed that Davis and Freeman-McCown had allegedly diverted hundreds of thousands of dollars from Cuyahoga Metropolitan Housing Authority housing programs to management perks, including bonus and incentive payments to Davis and mortgage payments for Freeman-McCown's townhouse.

The San Francisco audit said the Housing Authority wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars by handing out contracts without proper bidding or cost analyses, and by paying excessive salaries to Davis and other managers.

hunkahunka
07-02-2010, 08:41 PM
audio:

Project Camelot interviews James Martinez (30 November 2009):

James Martinez was a business colleague and close confidant of Walter Bowart - the author of the groundbreaking, whistleblowing book Operation Mind Control published back in 1978. This is a fabulous audio interview which will be of enormous interest to all who (like myself) benefited greatly from Bowart's seminal work.

http://projectcamelot.org/James_Martinez_Walter_Bowart_30_November_2009.mp3

http://projectcamelot.org/Operation_Mind_Control_cover_sm.jpg

bealert
07-02-2010, 08:45 PM
If the CIA were going to kill him they could have given him a Heart attack....These guys wouldn't play around

turquoisefire777
07-02-2010, 08:52 PM
http://projectcamelot.org/Operation_Mind_Control_cover_sm.jpg

on the cover of that book "operation mind control", there's that bit that reads: ...THE CIA's PLOT AGAINST AMERICA...


////


now, does that mean something? isn't the cia american? or is the cia really run from a different country than the USA?

hunkahunka
08-02-2010, 11:49 AM
http://www.thedocumentaryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/jonestownreview3.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3141/3036359453_545f64a777.jpg
headquarters of Jim Jone's 'People's Temple', located in the Albert Pike Scottish Rite Memorial Temple at 1859 Geary
Boulevard in San Francisco

interesting that the crack epidemic appeared from out of nowhere during the heydays of the Peoples Temple:

http://www.seeklogo.com/images/T/The_San_Jose_Mercury_News-logo-62C69064C8-seeklogo.com.gif
Aug 22, 1996

Crack was born during 1974 in San Francisco Bay Area

by Gary Webb
San Jose Mercury News

Though Miami and Los Angeles are commonly regarded as the twin cradles of crack, the first government-financed study of cocaine smoking concluded that it was actually born in the Bay Area in January 1974.

After comedian Richard Pryor nearly immolated himself during a cocaine-smoking binge in 1980, the National Institute on Drug Abuse hired UCLA drug expert Ronald Siegel to look into the then-unfamiliar practice.

Siegel, the first scientist to document crack's use in the United States, traced the smoking habit back to 1930, when Colombians first started it.

But what was being smoked south of the border - a paste-like substance called BASE (bah-SAY) - was very different from what Californians were putting in their pipes, Siegel found, even though they called it the same thing: free base.

BASE was a crude, toxics-laden precursor to cocaine powder. On the other hand, free base (which later became known as crack or rock) was cocaine powder that had been reverse-engineered to make it smokable.

When San Francisco Bay Area dealers tried recreating the drug they'd seen in South America, Siegel learned, they'd screwed up.

"When they looked it up in the Merck Manual, they saw cocaine base and thought, well, yeah, this is it," Siegel, a nationally known drug researcher, said. "They mispronounced it, misunderstood the Spanish, and thought (BASE) was cocaine base."

The base described in the organic-chemistry handbook was cocaine powder separated from its salts, a process easily done with boiling water and baking soda.

It was an immediate, if unintentional, hit.

"They were wowed by it," Siegel said. "They thought they were smoking BASE. They were not. They were smoking something nobody on the planet had ever smoked before."

Using the sales records of several major drug-paraphernalia companies, Siegel correlated crack's public appearance with the appearance of base-making kits and glass pipes for smoking it. The sales records zeroed in on the Bay Area.

"We were able to show to our satisfaction that they were directly responsible for distributing the habit throughout the United States," Siegel said.

"Wherever they were selling their kits, that's where we started getting the clinical reports. It all started in Northern California."

His groundbreaking study was never published by the government, purportedly for budgetary reasons.

Siegel, who said he grew concerned that the information would not be made available to other researchers, published it himself in an obscure medical journal in late 1982.


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The Miami Herald
Sun, Feb. 08, 2004

Drug shipments slip easily across unguarded borders

Drugs and related crime are increasing in Guyana, a tiny South American nation of 700,000 people.

By GAIUTRA BAHADUR
Knight Ridder News Service

LETHEM, Guyana - The Takatu River is so slender a border between Guyana and Brazil that speedboat taxis skim across it in a minute. In the dry season, villagers ford it by jeep or even on foot.

At Lethem, the official gateway into Guyana's southwest, there is no checkpoint. Only a medicated sponge on the riverbank, which visitors from Brazil must step on to ward against foot-and-mouth disease, marks it as an international crossing.

For decades, garden-variety contraband has flowed across Guyana's largely unpatrolled borders. Now, with crackdowns elsewhere, the remote regions of this nation of 700,000 have become part of the hidden highway for Latin American drug smuggling.

MORE COCAINE

Cocaine destined for the United States is increasingly passing through this swatch of rain forest and sugar-cane fields -- a mostly untouched paradise conjured as the mythical ''El Dorado'' by European explorers -- on its way from Colombia. This deadly black market threatens finally to ruin a place independent only 38 years and already broken by poverty, racial tension, rigged elections and soul-sapping emigration.

''There is believed to be significant drug trafficking through Guyana,'' said Daniel Daley, a U.S. Embassy official in the capital, Georgetown. ''As interdiction in Venezuela and Colombia have effect, the traffic in Guyana is likely to increase unless steps are taken to prevent that.'' A U.S. government report on the global drug trade in 2003 described Guyana as ``a prime target for narcotics traffickers.''

Several recent cases show how the country -- with its slack border controls, rampant corruption and far-flung diaspora -- is now a transit area for drug smuggling.

In November, U.S. law-enforcement arrested cargo and baggage handlers at New York and Miami airports who had, over a year, unloaded tens of millions of dollars of drugs outside the eye of surveillance cameras. More than 880 pounds of cocaine had arrived on flights from Guyana and Jamaica in luggage and cargo boxes and under ice in a plane's galley.

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Miss Guyana Mia Rahaman

TORONTO ARREST

In May, a former Miss Guyana was arrested at a Toronto airport with $1 million of cocaine in bottles of lotion and in the false sides of her suitcase. And Guyanese ships bearing lumber also carried $13 million of cocaine to England in May.

Cocaine seizures at Guyana's main airport grew six times to 500 pounds in 2003. About 200 couriers, some with U.S. passports, have been arrested there since 2002. Security workers now shake bottles of the country's prized El Dorado rum because passengers have dissolved cocaine in it. Others have tried to smuggle taco-like rotis stuffed with the drug.

''We feel they're not the real players,'' said Leon Trim, the country's anticrime chief. ``We feel they're just fetching the drugs. Most of the big guys, we haven't really
touched on them.''

CASE DISMISSED

The only case ever brought against a suspected drug lord was dismissed by Guyana's highest court in 1996.

Trim said prosecutors had presented only part of incriminating wiretaps from Canadian authorities. The evidence against the alleged kingpin, the owner of a
department-store chain, has since disappeared.

In its journey through Guyana, cocaine has corrupted government officials and bankrolled a paramilitary squad responsible for vigilante killings. It has also introduced Uzi submachine guns -- and a climate of fear. ''We're seeing more and more drug defendants walking away, because witnesses are not turning up,'' said Steve Crossman, deputy British high commissioner. ``You have to ask why?''

Guyana's Stabroek News won't investigate the alleged nexus of drugs, militias and government corruption. ''No way,'' said publisher David de Caires. ``It's too
dangerous.''

The deputy director of the antidrug unit was riddled with bullets as he stopped to buy a newspaper on his way to work in 2002. Last year, 200 people, including drug agents, police and couriers, were slain.

''The number of killings is alarming,'' said human-rights activist Mike McCormack. ``The failure to arrest anyone is a little beyond belief.''

Race divides in almost every way in this former British colony, where sugar was king and slaves from Africa and bonded laborers from India were imported to grow it. Since then, these two main ethnic groups have been locked in a seesaw battle for power. Today, Indians run the ruling party; Africans control the army and the police.

Traffickers seem to have exploited that rift. Guyanese whisper that a ''phantom army'' outfitted by drug lords is responsible for many of the killings. They also say the squad serves the government, killing criminals the police and army won't.


http://www.mondovista.com/jones.timecover.jpg


http://www.ninebullets.net/wp-images/2008/Jonestown-Newsweek1978_CutOfDeath_2.jpg


http://www.viewzone.com/jones.syringes.jpg

more 'Merry Pranksters' type CIA techniques:


Recruiting, faith healings and fund raising

The Temple used ten to fifteen Greyhound-type bus cruisers to transport members up and down California freeways each week for recruitment and fund raising.[33] Jim Jones always rode bus number seven, which contained armed guards and a special section lined with protective metal plates.[33] Jones told members that the Temple would not bother scheduling a trip unless it could net $100,000-$200,000, and the Temple's goal for annual net income from bus trips was $1 million.[33]

Beginning in the 1970s, the bus caravan also traveled across the United States quarterly, including to Washington, D.C.[33] In June 1973, Representative George Brown, Jr. entered a lengthy and laudatory description of the Temple into the Congressional Record.[33] The Washington Post ran an August 18, 1973, editorial-page item stating that the 660 Temple visitors were the "hands down winners of anybody's tourists of the year award" after spending an hour cleaning up the Capitol grounds.[33]

The Temple distributed pamphlets in cities along the route of these fund raising trips bragging of Jones's prowess at "spiritual healing", while not mentioning the Temple's Marxist goals.[33] Stops included large cities, such as Houston, Detroit and Cleveland.[33] Temple members pretended to be locals and acted as shills in the various faked healings and "revelations".[33] Local viewers did not realize that they were in the minority in the audience.[33] The weekly take from offerings and healing services was $15,000 to $25,000 in Los Angeles and $8,000 to $12,000 in San Francisco.[34] There were smaller collections from trips around the "mother church" in Redwood Valley.[34]

i_am
08-02-2010, 12:06 PM
Hmmm Seems we have a glitch. Just seeing if you can still post.

Well that seems to have fixed it but I didn't copy the vid URL, sorry, Please repost :o



Edit: This is the video posted by hunka that somehow caused a glitch, sorry I can't get the media wrap to behave


http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-3620079506305336669

emerald
08-02-2010, 12:42 PM
I dont believe too much the official version, but her (alleged) killer comes from a military background:

http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/s..._schaeffer.htm

hunkahunka
08-02-2010, 12:52 PM
more guyana:

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/stories/12/24/huge-cocaine-find-in-guyana-pepper-sauce-boxes/

Huge cocaine find in Guyana pepper sauce boxes
By Stabroek staff | December 24, 2008

Canada charges Ontario businessman

Some CDN$40M of cocaine was found by Canadian authorities in cartons of Guyana pepper sauce and a businessman was to appear in an Ontario court yesterday charged with importing and conspiracy to traffic in the illegal substance


http://www.stabroeknews.com/images/2008/12/20081224pepper-300x225.jpg
The pepper sauce bottles between which the cocaine was found


The cocaine was seized by Canadian police following months of investigation which saw them tracking the shipment from New Brunswick and letting the accused, identified as 45-year-old Mahendrapaul Doodnauth of Sequin Court in Etobicoke, take possession of it with only a small amount of the cocaine still in the packaging.

According to Canadian media reports the bust is said to be the biggest in the history of the province of Ontario. Doodnauth is said to be the owner of Caribbean International Food Distributors in the town of Etobicoke.
The cartoons with the pepper sauce

http://www.stabroeknews.com/images/2008/12/20081224cartoons-300x225.jpg
The cartons with the pepper sauce

Doodnauth was nabbed as he offloaded the boxes at a storage facility.
While none of the reports gave a date as to when the shipment would have left Guyana or any other information on the Guyana link, reports said the pepper shipment arrived in the country on board the Tropic Canada in Saint John, New Brunswick on December 8. The freight ship reportedly regularly transports goods between Saint John and the Caribbean.

Media reports said that the drug was inserted into the cardboard dividers inside 551 boxes out of the 1,250 that were carrying the pepper sauce. The cocaine was uncovered by border guards during their inspection of the freighter. Investigators used an X-ray machine and a sniffer dog to find the drugs.

In total, they found 276 kilogrammes of cocaine which, when cut and resold by street-level drug dealers, could amount to as much as 400 kilogrammes of the drug.

The guards removed most of the cocaine, but allowed two kilogrammes to be delivered to Caribbean International Food Distributors and when the boxes were loaded into a storage facility on December 19, Doodnauth was arrested.

Doodnauth has been charged with importing cocaine, conspiracy to import cocaine and possession of cocaine for the purpose of trafficking and was expected to appear in court via video link yesterday afternoon.

The bust was the conclusion of an investigation, dubbed “Project Falcon” which began in Durham when officers began to investigate the source of cocaine found in the possession of local street gang members.

The investigation was led by members of the Durham Regional Police Gang Enforcement Unit, the Canada Border Services Agency and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

“Our partners in Canada Border Services haven’t seen this level of sophistication in terms of packaging,” said Durham Police Service Chief Constable, Mike Ewles in the Toronto National Post. At a news conference yesterday, Detective Sergeant Mario Lessard showed reporters how the packs of cocaine each containing 180 grammes had been carefully stashed in the cardboard panels. The cocaine was said to be high-quality and around 80% purity.

According to newsdurhamregion.com, by the middle of this year the cops had begun surveillance of a suspect and the pepper shipment was intercepted on December 8.

Pepper sauce is the latest of local commodities to be ensnared in the cocaine trade in recent years. Water coconuts, molasses, wood, rum and a variety of other items have been intercepted abroad with cocaine. These interceptions have failed to crack networks in Guyana and prosecutions have proceeded overseas where persons have been held.



http://www.hinduonnet.com/tss/tss2518/25180181.jpg

Mia Rahaman pleads guilty to importing controlled substance

Tuesday, March 01, 2005

Its been nearly two years since she was held in Canada in a cocaine bust. Former Guyanese beauty queen, Mia Rahaman pleaded guilty to importing 7.5kilo of cocaine. Shes sentenced to two years house arrest.
Rahaman admitted to the crime on February 18 in a Canadian federal court and had her passport and travel documents seized. She is not allowed to travel and was ordered to do 240 hours of community service as well as seek employment.
http://www.muzikmedia.com/pub/images/2005/3/thumbs/jyY0QZ4amia3.jpg

hunkahunka
08-02-2010, 01:00 PM
Hmmm Seems we have a glitch. Just seeing if you can still post.

Well that seems to have fixed it but I didn't copy the vid URL, sorry, Please repost :o



Edit: This is the video posted by hunka that somehow caused a glitch ;


http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-3620079506305336669

thanks for the quick action, too bad the original post was deleted.

it was a post of an ABC whitewash promoting the idea that all cases of
recovered memories of satanic ritual abuse are fake. I posted it because
it is nearly twenty years old, and so laughably one-sided, viewed in the context
of todays overflow of information on the subject.

here it is:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-3620079506305336669&ei=3QtwS73wL4yblAfc0OmfCQ&q=abc+ritual+abuse&hl=en#
ABC PrimeTime from January 7, 1993 Expose of claims of Satanic Ritual Abuse (Cory Hammond, Ph.D.)

hunkahunka
08-02-2010, 02:17 PM
don't miss this one for your stamp collection:

http://store.coolstamps.com/endeavor/product/16994.html
Wizard of OZ - Hello Kittys World of Fairy Tales Numbered Stamp Souvenir sheet - see Tin man Scarecrow Timid Lion and the Rainbow as Little Kitty walks through the woods As Alice in Japan - Brilliant colors - What a great gift
http://store.coolstamps.com/imagesrv/972/223339288.jpg
British Guyana postage stamp


http://store.coolstamps.com/endeavor/product/19534.html
Shirley Temple as OUR LITTLE GIRL with Toto the dog from the Wizard of OZ , the Doctor played by Joel McCrea and Rosemary Ames are near a divorce and of course she brings them back together a Sheet of 6 MINT postage Stamps from ShirleyTempleStamps.com
http://store.coolstamps.com/imagesrv/942/627810718.jpg
Granada postage stamp

http://store.coolstamps.com/endeavor/product/19251.html
Wizard of Oz Betty Boop with Toto the Tin Man Cowardly Lion Scare Crow and the Yellow Brick Road a Great Souvenir sheet of Mint Postage Stamp from BettyBoopStamps.com -
http://store.coolstamps.com/imagesrv/762/562816648.jpg
Gambia postage stamp

hunkahunka
08-02-2010, 03:38 PM
Do the Illuminati run the Street Gangs? - YouTube


Do the Illuminati run the Street Gangs? Pt. 2.5 - YouTube

hunkahunka
08-02-2010, 05:39 PM
one -hour British television documentary on the Marc Dutroux murders:
(minus 14 minutes of television ads, it is 46 minutes in length)

video:

The Perverted World of Marc Dutroux
46:09 -
The case surrounding the Belgian paedophile who served less than half of a 13-year prison sentence in the 1980s for the rape and torture of five girls. Released in 1992, he continued to follow a path marked by cruelty and violence toward others before receiving life imprisonment in 2004 for charges including kidnapping and murder. The trial raised many questions about the police investigation into his crimes, pointing toward a high level cover-up.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-3917434021278789304&hl=en#

http://www.jeanyveshayez.net/images/049-32jm.gif
Julie Lejeune and Mélissa Russo

check out the background information on the Dutroux
modus operandi for making child porn for the rich elite:

Julie and Mélissa, whose fate has inspired such an outpouring, were, after all, ordinary children, inseparable pals who learned to plié in the same ballet class, frolicked in the same Girl Scout troop and always sat together at each other's birthday parties.

If ever she had reason to suspect her elders, it was on that June afternoon when the girls apparently went to wave at passing cars. Dutroux later told police he had offered two accomplices—Bernard Weinstein and Michel Lelièvre—more than $1,600 to abduct a young girl. "But I was amazed when they brought me two," he said. "I was even embarrassed." For Dutroux, the scheme was part of a pattern dating back to at least 1983, when he was charged in the rape of a 50-year-old. Three years later he was arrested for abducting and raping five girls between 12 and 19 years old. Each time, with then girlfriend Michéle Martin videotaping, he would rape and torture the girls, then free them 24 hours later. Convicted of multiple rape in 1989, he was released for "good behavior" in April 1992. A cryptic handwritten note in his file warned, "Follow closely."

An unemployed electrician, Dutroux had a long criminal history involving car theft, muggings and drug dealing.

In February 1986, Dutroux and Martin were arrested for abducting and raping five young girls. In April 1989, he was sentenced to thirteen and a half years in prison. Martin received a sentence of five years. Showing good behaviour in prison, Dutroux was released on parole in April 1992, having served only three years. On releasing him, the parole board received a letter written by Dutroux's own mother to the prison director, and she stressed concern that he was keeping young girls in his house.

interesting too that both girls were placed in ballet classes and in the girl scouts together, then
abducted together, etc.
Sounds to me like the two were twinned and undergoing monarch programming.
The two were being held in Marc Dutroux' hidden makeshift dungeon beneath his house
(filmed in child porn) when Dutroux was jailed unexpectedly, and the girls starved to death while
Dutroux spent weeks in jail. Oddly, his wife Michele Martin was home at the time of his imprisonment,
and let the girls starve to death. (she had probably been forbidden to go anywhere near
the cellar, on threat of death)

http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/trutv.com/graphics/photos/serial_killers/predators/dutroux/7_1_Michele_Martin_1996.jpg
Michele Martin

wyndham
08-02-2010, 07:31 PM
Is this thread still about Kurdt Cobain's murdercide???
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k300/agentbedhead/Two/0105lovecorgan.jpghttp://www.smashingpumpkins.soluko.com/courtglam.jpg

The high school nerds become popular

hunkahunka
09-02-2010, 12:45 AM
http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/cbc-article.aspx?cp-documentid=23415543
By CBC News, cbc.ca, Updated: February 8, 2010 7:24 PM


CFB Trenton commander charged with murder

A military commander from Canadian Forces Base Trenton in eastern Ontario has been charged with two counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of two women.

Col. Russell Williams, 46, of Tweed, the top commander at 8 wing CFB Trenton, was arrested Sunday in Ottawa, Ontario Provincial Police Det.-Insp. Chris Nicholas said at a news conference Monday.

Williams has been charged with first-degree murder in the death of Jessica Lloyd, 27, whose body was found Monday off Cary Road in the municipality of Tweed.

Lloyd had been missing since Jan. 28 from her home outside Tweed, about 30 kilometres north of Belleville.

Ontario's chief coroner is to conduct an autopsy on Lloyd's body, which arrived in Toronto late Monday afternoon.

Williams was also charged in the death of Cpl. Marie-France Comeau, 38, of Brighton, Ont., who was killed in her home Nov. 25. Comeau served with the 437 Squadron at CFB Trenton.

Nicholas said police linked the two slayings because of similarities in the cases. They do not expect to make any other arrests.

In addition to the murder charges, Williams faces counts of forcible confinement, break and enter, and sexual assault in relation to two home invasions in the Tweed area in September.

As wing commander at CFB Trenton, Williams oversaw operations at the air force base, which according to the Department of National Defence is "the heart of Canada's air mobility forces."

"He was just a shining, bright star," said Maj.-Gen. Yvan Blondin, the commander of 1 Canadian Air division and Williams's immediate superior.

"And if you talk to people on the [base], they will probably tell you that they admired the wing commander. He was involved in everything in the community here. Nobody had one thought that something like this could be possible," he said at a Monday afternoon news conference.

Williams now in custody

Williams made a court appearance Monday afternoon for a bail hearing, walking confidently into the provincial courthouse in Belleville, Ont. His hands and legs were shackled and he wore a blue prison-issue jumpsuit and blue booties.

When asked, he said he understood the proceedings against him. He was remanded in custody and will appear in court by video on Feb. 18.

A publication ban was ordered, as is typical in bail hearings, and the names of the sex assault victims cannot be published either.

A handful of distraught-looking people were in the courtroom for the bail hearing Monday, and one man uttered an obscenity as as Williams got up to leave.

The mayor of Quinte West, the region where the military base is located, said his community is in disbelief over the charges.

"Well, it's just shock," Mayor John Williams said, speaking about his own reaction. The mayor is not related to the accused.

The mayor said he was in Williams' office last Thursday.

"I deal with the wing commander on a fairly regular basis and the best word to describe it is shock," John Williams told CBC News.

Nicholas said Russell Williams was brought to the attention of police based on evidence gathered while questioning people along Highway 37 last Thursday night.

Police would not comment on possible links among the cases other than to say they took place within the same geographic area. They said they were looking at where Williams has been for the past several years and were continuing their investigation.

OPP at accused's Ottawa home

As of 3 p.m. Monday, OPP officers were parked outside a home that Williams and his wife own in Ottawa's Westboro neighbourhood, waiting for a search warrant that would allow them to enter.

Police said his wife was at home at the time of his arrest.

"We were actually getting ready to invite them for dinner," Michael Gennis, who lives next to Williams and his wife, Mary Elizabeth, on Edison Avenue. Gennis said the two had been living next door to him and his partner for about a month.

"They were lovely people in my encounters — with Mary Elizabeth more [so] — but even with Russ," Gennis told CBC News.

"It's very surprising. I just texted my partner to say … 'Oh my God, you wouldn't believe what's going on here.'"

On Monday morning, police searched their second home in Tweed.

Lt.-Gen. André Deschamps, chief of air staff for the Canadian Forces, issued a statement that "although one is considered innocent until proven guilty, in light of the seriousness of the charges, and in consideration of the high level of responsibilities" attached to Williams' position, an interim wing commander for 8 Wing Trenton will be appointed to replace him.

A review will also be done by 1 Canadian Air Division in Winnipeg to determine the most appropriate action pending the outcome of his trial, said the statement from Deschamps.

It was not immediately clear if the military has suspended Williams in the meantime, or if he will continue to be paid while he is relieved of his duties.

With files from The Canadian Press

hunkahunka
09-02-2010, 01:29 PM
repost missing video link:

interesting fact that John Lennon was shot in the same place , in front of the Dakota, of which it is said there was a satanist shot at the Dakota in the film Rosemary's Baby.

Here is an interesting clip about the synchronicity of events relating
to John Lennons shooting outside the Dakota, Charles Mansons' obsession with the Beatles, Sharon Tates murder by the Manson clan, after having shot a film on satanism in the Dakota, etc.


About This Video
This clip is from Movie Chapter 27 (2007). The movie 'Rosemary's Baby' was filmed in the Dakota Building were John Lennon was shot to death, outside, by Mark David Chapman (A Big Beatles Fan). It also appears that John Lennon knew the director Roman Polanski personally. Roman Polanski's wife Sharon Tate was Murdered by "the Manson Family", when she was pregnant. Charles Manson has a connection to John Lennon/the Beatles via the song Helter Skelter, as he had his own "special" interpretation of the song. Charles Manson's "followers" wrote "Helter Skelter" in blood on the wall when they killed Polanski's pregnant wife Sharon Tate.

Synchronicity of Events Dawns on Mark David Chapman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1POsi9aEto

hunkahunka
09-02-2010, 01:47 PM
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/02/09/alg_super-bowl_the-who.jpg
Saw this photo of the WHO doing the Superbowl half-time show, and was struck first by Daltrey's odd getup, but then noticed that he chose to wear this black and white (duality) ensemble complete with white striped pants, during the singing of 'Pinball Wizard' from Tommy. They wore different clothes for other songs, so this was possibly a deliberate choice of wardrobe for certain songs.

http://www.freakygossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/The-Who-Halftime-Super-Bowl-2010-video-300x198.jpg

thought I'd repost some of mk the stuff on the WHO

check out Elton's 'rainbow' suit in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHxpy7O004s

also note Pete Townshend trashing the stage set in some sort of rage,
and Cobain was known to do exactly the same thing.

Townshend has stated that he thinks he wrote 'Tommy' due to repressed
childhood memories of suffering homosexual abuse, so is there more
behind the similarity of their onstage behavior?

http://bp2.blogger.com/_B3pd8gvEaCQ/R5cGOghH5EI/AAAAAAAABOs/txX09Subw3Y/s320/ej_rainbow_front.jpg

http://www.thewho.info/images/TommyMovie-Who-2a.jpghttp://www.thewho.info/images/TommyMovie-Who-2a.jpg
Elton John in Tommy




http://www.orwelltoday.com/tophed.JPG

http://www.orwelltoday.com/movietommy.shtml

TOMMY WAS SEXUALLY ABUSED

There are hidden messages in the entertainment we've been naively exposed to all these years. The writers and actors seem to be under the control of sinister forces.

Take for example the "WHO" album "Tommy" that was made into a movie in the 70s. It turns out that the main character - the deaf, dumb and blind kid - was sexually abused - and that's what the words to the music are all about.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_jWN4u8Vw7Cc/Rq9vP5S6HNI/AAAAAAAAAIs/az-UYP-7ywQ/s320/tommy.jpg


Tommy's creator, Peter Townshend, believes he himself was sexually abused and that TOMMY was an expression of his unconscious trauma. He suspects that internet pornography is fueling an epidemic of sexual abuse of children. In his quest for proof he visited child-porn websites and then subsequently got arrested when the police raided the viewers. This in spite of the fact that he'd alerted the authorities as to what he was doing. Below is the original article. The top are related and follow-up articles as the case proceeds.

Who's Pete Townshend, shown on the set of his rock opera Tommy in 1993, says he paid to view online child pornography as research for his autobiography. He said he believes he was sexually abused as a child.

Uncle Ernie, a pedophile played by Keith Moon in the rock opera Tommy, spent time "fiddling about, fiddling about." In the rock opera Tommy, the deaf, dumb and blind kid escapes into the world of pinball wizardry after he is molested by his Uncle Ernie. The pivotal scene is described in the song Fiddle About, which has Uncle Ernie singing lines like "Your mother left me here to mind you, Now I'm doing what I want to, Fiddling about, Fiddling about," and "Down with the bedclothes, Up with the nightshirt, Fiddle about, Fiddle about." That sequence, in one of Pete Townshend's most popular works may come to be seen as more significant now that a bizarre investigation is unfolding into why the rock star visited Web sites featuring child pornography.

The Who's emblematic lead guitarist and songwriter, who has been caught up in a massive British investigation into online pedophilia, maintains he bought child porn from one of the Web sites as research for his autobiography. "I believe I was sexually abused between the ages of five and six-and-a-half when in the care of my maternal grandmother who was mentally ill at the time," he said in a statement responding to the scandal that has erupted. "I cannot remember clearly what happened, but my creative work tends to throw up nasty shadows -- particularly in Tommy."

hunkahunka
09-02-2010, 06:23 PM
http://www.coopstuff.com/Ruth/COOP/pinball/wizard.jpg



http://www.thewhocollection.com/daltrey/cds/w.jpg

The Wizard of Oz in Concert: Dreams Come True (1995)

Roger Daltrey solos on If I Only Had A Heart. A bunch of other celebrities are on this charity show (for the The Children's Defense Fund) - Debra Winger, Jewel, Natalie Cole and Jackson Browne. Roger also sings on other songs (he is the Tin Man, after all!).

video:
http://en-gb.facebook.com/video/video.php?oid=8610378931&v=1002910869805

Roger Daltrey as Boq the Tin Man

video:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?oid=8610378931&
v=1010863468615

http://www.pinball-fixers.com/image-files/pinball-wizard.jpg
singer 'Jewel' landed the part of Dorothy

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/7f/ca/45c8124128a0eaabcf51c010.L.jpg

Her latest song contains the line 'goodbye Alice in Wonderland, goodbye yellow brick road'

http://www.sleurink.nl/images/album_covers/thumbs/1246f.jpg

hunkahunka
09-02-2010, 08:30 PM
http://impiousdigest.com/ae9.jpg
the Scottish Rite's emblem (known as The Crown in the Capitol)

http://impiousdigest.com/wpe67061.jpg
KKK masonic emblem

http://impiousdigest.com/MI5LOGO.GIF
British M1-5 intelligence emblem also features crown

http://impiousdigest.com/Crwl.jpg
Aleister Crowley

hunkahunka
10-02-2010, 12:40 AM
http://impiousdigest.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=212&Itemid=224
http://impiousdigest.com/Image50.jpg
KKK photo or Bohemian Grove?

Jk Rowling is the alleged author of the Harry Potter books.

The Harry Potter film 'The Goblet of Fire' contains a clue as to what is really
going on with the KKK, the Scottish Rite, etc.

http://img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n4/n22936.jpg

http://gosmellthecoffee.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/harry_potter_and_the_goblet_of_fire.jpg


In Goblet of Fire, there is a group of dark witches and wizards called the 'death eaters'. According to Rowling , they were originally going to be named the 'Knights of Walpurgis'

video :
http://www.spike.com/video/harry-potter-goblet/2706233
Death Eaters scene from 'Harry Potter: Goblet of Fire'

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Knights+of+Walpurgis

http://www.leakylounge.com/Death-Eaters-Ku-Klux-Kl-t17932.html&mode=threaded

quote
(PigmyPuff @ Oct. 22 2005,3:49 pm)

"Someone should start a new thread entitled " Death Eaters and the KKK"


"I think that's a very good idea. Especially as there are groups calling themselves "Knights of the Ku Klux Klan", just as JK Rollings intended to call the Death Eaters the "Knights of Walpurgis" at first. For me, there's definitely a connection. Also, somebody mentioned that in the new Goblet of Fire film the Death Eaters are wearing KKK-like hats, and as JKR has had a strong hand in the making of all the films, I don't think the hats are a coincidence either.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/20/Death_eater.jpg
Death Eaters (aka Knights of Walpurgis)




Walpurgis Night


http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/satanic_calendar.htm

The Satanic Calendar

April 30th Walpurgis night/Beltane: One of the most important nights on the satanic calendar. Blood rituals and human sacrifice take place.


http://static.squidoo.com/resize/squidoo_images/250/draft_lens2391224module13601054photo_1232718307sat anicritualhandsignal5jy.jpg
The Church Of Satan
A Brief History And Explanation
The Church of Satan was officially founded by Anton LaVey in San Francisco, April 30th, 1966. April 30th is known as Walpurgis Night, and is honored by Pagans, Satanists, and Catholics. LaVey was refered to as "The Black Pope", though his official title in the church, was High Priest.

The Church is built upon the philosophy of Satanism, as codified by Anton LaVey, in his various writings, most notably, The Satanic Bible, which was the first book to be published explaining and promoting what is now refered to as LaVeyanSatanism, or to it's adherents, simply Satanism.

So what are Knights of Walpurgis 'death eaters' doing human sacrifice for? 'Death eating?'. In other words, cannibalism?
So what have here is a clue , a fictionalized clue, alluding to the Knights of the KKK, imo.

http://www.thegrio.com/assets_c/2009/11/KKK-rally-before-ole-miss-game-thumb-400xauto-5082.jpg

http://www.kkklan.com/novel49.gif

http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/uploads/1221103-georgewskullnbones.jpg

vatican_stance
10-02-2010, 09:40 AM
Anyone think Dave Grohl killed him or was at least involved? Apologies if this has already been discussed but this thread is so damn long!

I wondered if Cobain was still alive he could be writing songs for Foo Fighters. I read stories of Heath Ledger faking his death too but this could be misinfo.

hunkahunka
10-02-2010, 01:30 PM
http://www.redicecreations.com/img/rediceradiobanner.png

audio: Red Ice Radio interview

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2010/02feb/RIR-100209-halbarelli.mp3

H.P. Albarelli Jr. - Germ Warfare, CIA, LSD and the Murder of Dr. Frank Olson
February 9, 2010

We have H.P. Albarelli, Jr. with us to talk about Biological Warfare, the CIA's experimentation with LSD and the murder of microbiologist Dr. Frank Olson. We talk about the U.S. army and Frank Olson who specialized in germ warfare, aero biology and the delivery of deadly viruses and infectious microorganisms through spray's and aerosol cans. Hank Albarelli works in the legal profession and was a member of the Carter administration. He is the author of "A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA's Secret Cold War Experiments". Join us for a fascinating and informative program about LSD and the origins and experimentation of drugs and mind control. Topics Discussed: Hank's background, LSD, Spring Groove Hospital, Biological Warfare, Militaries Biological Warfare Research and Development Program, special Operations Division, CIA, Mk-NAOMI, LSD disseminated on University campuses, BZ, Jacob's Ladder, Vietnam War, L Wilson green, First Earth Battalion, Jim Channon, Jon Ronson, Men Who Stare at Goats, Mk-Ultra, Project Artichoke, Artichoke Committee, Chemtrails, 1952 France, of Pont St. Esprit, Ergot, Albert Hofmann and his relationship to the CIA, Sandoz, Merck, The Death of Frank Olson and more.

hunkahunka
10-02-2010, 02:17 PM
http://www.virginmedia.com/images/deatheaters-rumours-gal-431.jpg
Harry Potter 'death eaters'
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42459000/jpg/_42459326_deatheaters_pa300.jpg

http://hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org/archives/eyeswideshut_redemption.jpg
Eyes Wide Shut ritual

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/54545.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/1917.jpg

this item was found for sale on Ebay:


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/waxatexo/DSC_0016-8.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280359748633

You are bidding on an early 1900 era secret society black muslin robe with a sinister skull and crossbones embroidered on the chest. Robe has a label-C.E. Ward Co. Measures 21" across top of shoulders 23" across chest 29" across waist and 68" top of hood to bottom hem. Great condition for age light wear and soiling from many years of use.


http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=112481.0

hunkahunka
10-02-2010, 02:31 PM
Masonic hazing contraption from 1800s: Bucking goat

Moderator: One type of folk art that ends up in antique stores all the time is Masonic hazing equipment, much crude, some intended to be clever. Here is one I found online today for sale.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_F8AdOp748oA/Scytr-LfjKI/AAAAAAAAAXI/6syxkT8a7Mw/s320/buckinglamb.jpg

Masonic trauma-based programming devices catalog circa 1930. (used on drugged, blind-folded 'candidates'

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/demoulin_spanker.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/demoulin_the_fuzzy_wonder_goat.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/demoulin_hoodwinks.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/demoulin_the_bucking_goat.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/demoulin_skeletons_skulls_etc.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/demoulin_the_human_centipede.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/demoulin_the_rollicking_mustang_goa.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/demoulin_ferris_wheel_coaster_goat.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/demoulin_drinking_the_goats_blood.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/demoulin_the_guillotine.jpg

hunkahunka
10-02-2010, 02:52 PM
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/images/demoulin_lifting_and_spanking_machine.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/bronze_goat_1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/PPresize2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/baphomet.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/Laveywax.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/RN991HANDBAPHOMET.jpg

hunkahunka
10-02-2010, 05:41 PM
the entire catalog can be found at this link:
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/index.htm


here is its cover:
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/images/demoulin_front_cover_editied_version.jpg

this cover with its carnival fair/circus look to it reminds me of Fritz Springmeier's mention of Disneyworld and other theme parks being used to inflict trauma.(also note the cannibalism imagery, the 'candidates'
are being fed down a chute into a soup caldron.

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/images/demoulin_no_mans_land.jpg

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/images/demoulin_tooth-pulling_stunt.jpg

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/images/demoulin_electric_stretcher.jpg

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/images/demoulin_bird_cage.jpg

wyndham
12-02-2010, 09:57 PM
http://www.mobilegeographics.com/tideimages/tidesta16.png

Remember where these guys are from, Aberdeen, just south of the opening to the Puget Sound, where the most powerful Nuke Subs in the World are held...Cobain's father mil. connected, Noviselic was Croatian and lived there prior to the Bosnian War and Grohl was from DC, father covered Watergate.


Navy Submarine Base Under the Nevada Desert?

"What is being passed off as the 'San Andreas Fault' are large, unsupported chambers that are in the process of collapsing. When the BIG ONE finally hits, many scientists in the know believe that most of California will break off like a cold Hershey bar and slide into the ocean! (it is postulated by some that an ancient land-mass which some believe may have been connected to what is now California, broke off and sunk into the ocean during an ancient cataclysm - Branton)

"8. (We are deleting this section due to the possibility of undue stress and fear which may result from it's disclosure. Also, because of recent international events which may have resulted in a solution to this problem. We will merely state that it involves a scenario similar to that which was portrayed in a James Bond movie, and which concerned underground caverns, silicon valley, nuclear weapons, and the San Andreas fault - Branton)."

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1

wyndham
12-02-2010, 10:39 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/NirvanaNevermindalbumcover.jpg

there is a hidden track on this album called nameless, endless that runs to 6:44

Luke 6:44

"Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers."

Was Cobain contacted by a military sect attempting to overthrow the dark lords? Was he contacted in Aberdeen? Were they connected to Croatia and even Watergate?

wyndham
13-02-2010, 03:22 PM
http://www.mobilegeographics.com/tideimages/tidesta16.png


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/23/29596984_fc2a3d96f0.jpg

Tunnel Island Wa. north of Aberdeen

Now, if you were going to have access to subterranean riverways and oceans accessible to Nuke Subs, why not use this little place as a decoy...It's about 50 miles due west to Hood Canal and the Nuke Base conveniently protected by a national park, an Indian reservation, mountains, glacier lakes etc

wyndham
13-02-2010, 03:57 PM
http://www.theartofmovieposters.com/pages/gallery/LongDB/1937_LastTrainFromMadrid.jpg

Written by Courtney Love's grandmother, orig. Cuban plantation owners

hunkahunka
15-02-2010, 09:58 AM
the entire catalog can be found at this link:
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/index.htm


here is its cover:
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/images/demoulin_front_cover_editied_version.jpg

this cover with its carnival fair/circus look to it reminds me of Fritz Springmeier's mention of Disneyworld and other theme parks being used to inflict trauma.(also note the cannibalism imagery, the 'candidates'
are being fed down a chute into a soup caldron.



the above 'shute into soup caldron' illustration reminded me of this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Cambridge_Midsummer_Fair.jpg


This is a carnival slide that is known as a 'Helter Skelter', with a name which could be interpreted as 'hell slide'. (the original term 'helter skelter' is a
British idiom meaning 'In chaotic and disorderly haste', dating to at
least as far back as 1592, the era of William Shakespeare:


http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/helter-skelter.html
Neither helter nor skelter had any meaning in themselves. Like many word pairs of this sort (called rhyming reduplications), they only exist as part of the pair - although skelter was used alone later, but only as a shortened form of helter-skelter.
Another reduplication with a similar meaning is pell-mell (a confused throng or, in disordered haste). This originated around the same time - the first recorded use dates from 1579. Others which came later, but which are in shouting distance in terms of meaning, are harum-scarum (reckless rowdiness) and hurly-burly (commotion and confusion).


http://www.freefoto.com/images/11/46/11_46_59---Helter-Skelter--The-Hoppings-Fun-Fair--Town-Moor--Newcastle-upon-Tyne_web.jpg?&k=Helter+Skelter%2C+The+Hoppings+Fun+Fair%2C+Town+ Moor%2C+Newcastle+upon+Tyne
this is a carnival 'Helter Skelter' ride/slide, which inspired the song 'Helter Skelter' by Paul McCartney and the Beatles.

The song 'Helter Skelter' inspired Charles Manson to try to start a race
war by having his followers kill prominent people and make it appear that the negro organization the 'Black Panthers' had done it.

video:
HELTER SKELTER, HOW MUCH DO YOU KNOW ABOUT CHARLES MANSON? awcase on USTREAM. Radio

http://a1.vox.com/6a00c11414cf6d5af500e398b914690005-500pi

imo, Manson was planning to inspire a mass mania/hysteria by summoning the same spirits or hysteria manifesting in disciples of 'Beatlemania'. (we all know that authentic Beatlemania never really existed as a psychological phenomenon, its genesis largely a marketing creation, which gullible teens
attempted to duplicate) So apparently, Manson himself also fell for the lie
of 'Beatlemania', believing people to be susceptible to mass hysteria ,
and capable of being driven to similar extremes on a mass scale.

Manson even mentioned that the purpose of his planned war was
largely about global depopulation, with only a few remaining survivors
left to take over the world.

http://helterskelter.fabrikdrei.com/helterskelter.jpg

so the Manson murders were a false flag attack, blamed on the enemy,
in order to inspire racial/political conflict eliminating large numbers of
both opposing sides, to the benefit of those who had originally perpetrated
the attack.

remind you of anything?

http://kellylowenstein.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/september-11-terror-attacks.jpg

turquoisefire777
15-02-2010, 12:12 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2615/3708545743_028b315f3e.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2615/3708545743_028b315f3e.jpg


http://www.flyingbuffaloes7.net/what_if.html
by
Amitakh Stanford
14th February 2010
What if clones are replacing people more and more as the identities of humans are stolen? Most of the human victims could be quickly and quietly exterminated without anyone suspecting the switch. The clones that replace specific humans will perform the same functions as the original humans did before the clonal theft. Then there are other types of clones that do not replace specific humans, but instead are directly “manufactured” to look and function as if they were humans. For all intents and purposes, they are highly sophisticated biological androids. What if the ruling elite are using alien replacement clones of humans and manufactured androids in their plan for One World Government?

The ruling elite have their eyes on China for their base of operations. Traditionally, the Chinese people are not warmongers. They do have domestic battles, but, by and large, they are not so interested in world conquest. However, as I have written before, certain Anunnaki “minds” have been migrating to China, and those minds have very different ideas from the traditional Chinese minds. Thus, the face of China is changing.

What if the aliens are aggressively and intensively cloning replacement humans in China? These clones would be replacing their human counterparts – especially those in strategic positions. These would be in addition to the android clones infiltrating all walks of life in China and other countries.

China already has a huge army of which every nation in the world takes notice. What if the conventional army of China swells dramatically due to the addition of clonal androids, and the important command positions become infested with replacement clones?

What if the Chinese people are being programmed to believe that toxic cane toads are culinary delicacies, and the consumption of the toads will benefit their health? In Australia, the cane toads are so toxic that venomous black snakes are frequently found dead with cane toads in their mouths. What if the toxin in cane toads, when ingested by humans, can cause brain damage or make them more susceptible to cloning? What if there is an agenda to infest the Chinese human population with replacement clones and other androids, and the Australian cane-toad “invasion” is just a tiny part of this diabolical plan?

What if the supposed American dream of wanting to be the world’s policeman was really an alien programmed desire, and that dream is now being shifted and imposed on China? What if, at this time, China has no design for territorial expansion, although it still adamantly insists that Taiwan is a part of its nation? What if the “souls” of Taiwan and China are esoterically linked together?

What if certain major political figures throughout the world have been classified by the ruling elite as being either sympathetic towards the ruling elite, being indifferent to the ruling elite or being resistant to the ruling elite? What if in the earlier stages of the cloning attacks on humans, the ruling elite replacement clones begin eliminating the staunchest resistance to the ruling elite’s One World Government plans?

The deepening global economic crisis has affected nearly the whole planet. The desperate situation in Spain and the looming catastrophe in Greece are affecting the stronger economic partners in Europe. However, can they hold up the smaller nations when things worsen and more European nations follow the Greco/Spanish downturn? What if that is part of the plan of the ruling elite and the reason they introduced the Euro as a unified currency for most of Europe – to bring about financial upheaval in that continent? It is no accident that certain nations have not adopted the Euro for their currency despite the reasons they have given for not accepting it.

What if the influx of refugees throughout the world is part of a plan to cause internal racial, religious, social and economic problems to disrupt domestic government in various countries so that martial law can eventually be implemented? What if the ruling elite programme some people to violently resist the influx of refugees whilst programming others to openly welcome refugees so they can cause domestic strife?

What if the ruling elite have declared war on humans?

What if fluoridated drinking water is purposely being used to tranquilize, programme and numb the brains of people? What if drinking water is used to administer various drugs and toxins to particular regions to affect people in different ways?

What if some foods are purposely adulterated to bring about diseases and disorders in humans and animals? When the ruling elite “poisons” the food supply, they can then bring about obesity, depression, despair, anxiety, panic, psychosis and other emotional/psychological problems in unparalleled proportions.

What if “lone gunmen” are programmed to do evil by governmental people for the purpose of allowing legislatures to implement laws to control people and to make it difficult for people to freely possess firearms? Unarmed populations are severely disadvantaged in any attempts to resist ruling governments.

What if the ruling elite’s “lone gunmen” are used in politics, business, religions, education, military and many other fields, in different countries around the world?

What if many heinous projects that appear to have been run by “mad scientists” gone amok were really just versions of “unarmed lone gunmen” with total deniability for their respective governments that not only funded and condoned the wild projects, but also designed them? What if “mad scientists” are creating genetically manipulated playmates, partners and pets in laboratories for commercial purposes?

What if the power grids are turned off overnight? What if the internet is suddenly turned off? What if communications satellites are turned off? What if airports, train and bus stations are closed?

What if some movies are released to subtly implant hypnotic suggestions to the masses, and certain popular movies are surreptitiously altering the frequencies of human minds?

What if the world’s ruling elite are really alien minds in human bodies? What if wars are planned by aliens, and humans are tricked into fighting them whilst the ruling elite keep human nations driven to anticipate, plan for and participate in shooting wars?

What if aliens are destabilizing human affairs? What if racial, cultural and religious tensions are planned to ensure continued conflict around the globe? What if aliens have provided humans with just enough technology to further enslave humans little by little? What if aliens give warmongering technology to certain unstable types to tempt them to invade other lands?

What if aliens are cloning humans and replacing humans with androids that do the aliens’ bidding?

What if the agenda to radically alter human physiology has commenced, and the medical profession has been infiltrated by alien beings with the purpose of conquering humans?

What if there are secret underground railways connecting secret underground communities to one another? What if the personnel of major institutions around the world are acting for the ruling elite?

What if the body scanners for airports in America, Australia and other places were ordered and delivered long before the leg-wrap injector bomber was conveniently caught in Detroit? We are led to believe that the would-be bomber’s arrest is the supposed reason for the introduction of body scanners at airports. Are the designers of these machines voyeurs who sold their peeping skills to the governments? What if the scanners have been introduced to further discourage travel and thereby weaken the rapidly deteriorating economy, amongst other reasons?

What if US president Obama cancelled the manned lunar project because after almost five decades of trying, they still cannot send humans to the moon?

What if ruling elite agents have programmed groups of people throughout the world to be at their beck and call to act and behave as “rent-a-crowds” to support their plans? “Rent-a-crowd” mobs can be used for many purposes, whether violent, peaceful, wild, chaotic, entranced, fearful, obedient, desperate or otherwise. “Rent-a-crowd” groups can be used on virtually any scale for any purposes. These mobs can assemble at sporting events, civic centres, public parks, on public conveyance, or just about anywhere.

What if “rent-a-crowd” groups are turned on to be destructive to enable justification of draconian laws? What if they are assembled to support particular ideas in society? What if they are used to support or destroy various political candidates, political parties and other organizations?

What if the flat screen televisions and monitors that are replacing cathode ray tube devices are causing various emotional disorders in viewers over a period of time? What if the internet is used to track people and manipulate their minds, and homing, tracking, viewing and listening devices have been secretly placed within cars, computers, telephones, radios, televisions, appliances and the like in order to spy on people? What if these spying devices are very widespread and used daily against hundreds of millions of ordinary citizens?

What if the culling of certain plants and animals and the protection of other plants and animals is part of the ruling elite’s agenda? What if the ruling elite are afraid of certain breeds of dogs whilst they have an affinity with crocodiles, alligators, and snakes?

What if there are many criminal conspiracies and conspiracies within conspiracies going on at any time within the ruling elite, but the ruling elite have so insulated themselves from the filth that if any conspiracy is exposed, the top ones are immune?

What if the ETS is one of these conspiracies? What if the planned cane toad “invasion” of China is another such conspiracy? What if the alien cloning projects are part of the conspiracies? What if “superbug” epidemics are also part of the huge ruling elite conspiracy? What if human affairs are mired in alien conspiracies?

What if the very people scoffing at the idea of aliens on the Earth are aliens themselves misdirecting us, alien collaborators doing the same, or unwitting assistants of the aliens?

What if no matter who wins an important election, they will become targets for replacement cloning if they stand in the way of the ruling elite? The people are given the illusion of democratic choice, but if they choose humans with human hearts and minds, unless the politician’s mind and will are strong enough to reject total control of the cloning, they will fall victim. Besides, even those politicians strong enough to resist replacement cloning of themselves will face block voting from “rent-a-crowd” constituents, and ongoing abuse by the media. This is not a conspiracy theory; it is a conspiracy!

What if almost the whole world has been lulled into complacency and it sees that “everything is beautiful”?

Happy Valentine to Haidakhan Babaji

And, Happy Chinese New Year – the Year of the Tiger!

© 2010 Amitakh Stanford

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http://www.scamp.ie/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/what_if_double_take.jpg

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http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103625

hunkahunka
15-02-2010, 02:41 PM
Piggy's Pig Farm and Snuff Films
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=164676

By Kevin D. Annett

www.hiddenfromhistory.org

“Ten of the last dozen women to be taken to the killing site at Piggy’s Palace were accompanied by Mounties or regular cops. You think it was just Willie Picton who was killing them?”

Marion, sex trade worker, downtown eastside of Vancouver , May 10, 2006

In October of 1992, when I was still a United Church clergyman, I was approached by a colleague at my first Presbytery meeting in Nanaimo . The topic of child abuse came up, and after a few moments, the other man, a retired minister, smiled and gave me a sort of insider’s look. He lowered his voice and said to me,

“It’s easy to get a child in this town.”

I must have looked shocked, for his smile faded.

“What do you mean?” I said.

“Nothing” he replied. “Some people are, you know, interested in that sort of thing.”

It all felt like an offer, masked but real, like a sort of masonic handshake: something known to insiders only.

The same man had worked in the United Church ’s Alberni Indian residential school for years, and piloted one of the “mission boats” that visited coastal Indian villages. One of my native parishioners later accused him of raping her as a child, but the RCMP threatened her not to press charges.

Later, after I was fired from the church for asking too many questions, I learned of the well-protected child trafficking network that linked the coastal residential schools with wealthy men and clubs in Vancouver . Just how many children disappeared into those clubs and never emerged is unknown; but they are among the more than 50,000 residential school children who cannot be accounted for.

“No crime ever disappears; it just adapts” a journalist once told me. And in British Columbia, the crime of abducting people is rampant, on the rise, and very lucrative, since it is part of a deadly international network in human trafficking.

George Brown is a retired aboriginal RCMP officer who was part of a community-based “Missing Persons’ Task Force” in Vancouver . His group documented hundreds of missing people until their work began to identify the complicity of local police, politicians and businessmen in the disappearances. At that point, George’s group disbanded.

“We didn’t want to get killed” George told me during a videotaped interview in the summer of 2005.

“I was called up by a senior officer in the force and told, ‘George, the number of disappeared women is nine, and it’s going to stay at nine. Stop sticking your nose where it doesn’t belong or you may lose it.’ The fact is I personally know two fellow Mounties who were linked with Picton and making money by bringing girls out to his place. None of the girls ever came back. Everybody knows about it.”

I asked George who “everybody” was. The world-weary man shook his head sadly.

“The Mayor. The Chief of Police. All the senior press people. Hell, you can’t get into those positions without making a deal with the drug lords who run this town. The days of organized crime as a separate thing are over. It’s all business run and legit now. It’s organized corporate crime now – the drug importers from Asia and the real estate developers and the off shore investors, they’re all part of the same gang. The cops all work for them. And body snatching pays well.”

George Brown’s group documented a link between the disappeared women of the downtown eastside and the trans-pacific organ trafficking network based in China . According to sources within the network, at least a dozen women and men are abducted and murdered every month in Vancouver , their bodies disposed of in protected grave sites on the north shore, and their organs shipped overseas.

Most of the disappeared are homeless men, transient youth or sex trade workers.

A year after I interviewed George Brown, I was given more confirmation of his groups’ claims. I received a message to meet a woman named Annie Parker at Oppenheimer Park in Vancouver ’s downtown eastside. Annie was a short, timid woman with haunted eyes and scars along her neck and arms.

“I got these by threatening to go to the press with what I knew” she said matter of factly, pointing to the scars.

“Who did it to you?” I asked.

She told me the man’s name, a senior RCMP officer, and then said,

“Who doesn’t matter. They’re all doing it. It’s called the ‘hooker game’. The Vancouver cops will pick up girls off the street, drug them with scopolamine and film them as they fuck them, in a cop club downtown on Georgia street . Then sometimes they kill the girls and film that too, and sell it for $25,000 as a snuff film.”

I asked her what happens to the bodies.

“That was one of Steve Picton’s specialties. I met all the Pictons. Steve runs a snuff film operation in Coquitlam and then he dumps the bodies at a hunting camp about ten miles up from Horseshoe Bay , near the Sea to Sky highway. There’s a special grave site there with sealed containers in a metal cistern. I was taken there, I seen it. It’s watched over by the Mounties.”

Les Guerin is an aboriginal man who lives and works as a maintenance man on the Musequam Indian reserve near the University of B.C. He claims that the reserve holds at least two body dumping sites from which he personally has excavated human remains, and had them forensically examined.

“As far back as 1989 I saw a man who I later identified as Willie Picton drive onto the Musqueam reserve and bury several large bags. Later when I saw his face on the news, I dug up the bags and had them examined at a lab at SFU. The report says they contain human and pig bones remains, including the humerus, pelvis and skull pieces of a young woman in her twenties.

“The weird thing is I told the Vancouver Police, the press, everybody about this, and nothing was ever done. I sent the police the forensic report, me and my buddy Jim Kew, I told the CBC and even the lawyers for the families of Picton’s victims. Nothing. The cops roped off the site in 2006 and that was that.”

A signed letter from Musqueam Band Housing Officer Glenn Guerin dated October 29, 2004 indicates that Dave Picton was employed by the Museum Indian band for a three month contract during 1990 to provide land fill for local street construction.

Frustrated by the lack of police response, in December of 2005, Les Guerin mailed the bone fragments he obtained from the Picton deposit, along with the forensic report, to Amnesty International’s head office in London , England. The package was returned unopened the following month.

Next month, the eyes of the world will be on British Columbia and its Olympics. But will those eyes perceive the missing men, women and children whose remains lie scattered in hidden graves – and the authorities who put them there? Will the visiting world media record the truth of those who continue to disappear?

Most important, will the killings be stopped?

That depends on us.

………………………………………………………………………………………….

Rev. Kevin Annett is a community minister, educator and award-winning film maker who lives and works in Vancouver ’s downtown eastside. He is a member of the revived Community Task Force into Missing Persons. For more information on this Group, and for a copy of their recent report on which this article is based, contact Kevin at: [email protected] or 1-888-265-1007 (messages).

hunkahunka
15-02-2010, 03:12 PM
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Child Trafficking in Beautiful British Columbia

– Kevin Annett

In April of 1994, two lawyers, Renate Auger and Jack Cram, are dragged from a Vancouver courtroom, assaulted, and eventually disbarred after naming two Supreme Court judges as participants in a child prostitution ring based in the elite Vancouver Club at 915 West Hastings street.

A 1998 report by UNESCO on International Child Trafficking names Vancouver as one of three major centers for child prostitution in the world, along with Bangkok and Rotterdam.

In the early hours of October 14, 2000, an aboriginal reporter named Noel watches as two children no older than eight are loaded into a stretch limousine on the Squamish Indian reserve and driven to the back door of the Vancouver Club. Noel waits for hours, and when the children emerge, he tries to speak to them, but is assaulted from behind and his tape recorder disappears.

In the fall of 2001, an investigator named Rob Nicholson publishes a book entitled “Stolen Innocence”, in which he documents extensive child trafficking and pornography by social workers, lawyers and policemen connected to the Ministry of Children and Families (MCF). Nicholson proves that the MCF continually places foster children in homes of known and even convicted pedophiles.

On March 12, 2006, a woman named Annie Parker tells the author that she had been abducted by Vancouver policemen and used in something called “The Hooker Game”, in which both women and children are drugged and filmed while being sexually assaulted and sometimes even killed.

A war of terror on the innocent is going on as you read this, not far from your home, under the trendy façade of Vancouver’s happy image. Yet it is a war hidden from most people, and nowhere to be seen in the consciousness and agendas of “progressive” minded people in Vancouver.

Carol Martin is an aboriginal woman who works as a crisis counselor at the Downtown Eastside Women’s Centre in Vancouver. To her, the abduction and trafficking in children is just an extension of what her people have been suffering for centuries.

“More of our children are being taken from us every day, and put in white foster homes where the abuse is just as bad as it ever was in residential schools. Every day we hear cases of the government placing little kids in homes of pedophiles and abusers. Nothing’s ever done about it. And even our own kids are being criminalized by the system at a young age, to give cops the excuse they need later to pick them up and abuse them. That’s all got a name: genocide.”

Rudy James is a Tlingit native elder from Alaska who helped preside at the first independent Tribunal into Indian residential schools, held in Vancouver in June of 1998. At this event, Rudy heard first-hand testimonies from survivors of child trafficking in B.C.

“I was shocked when I heard how widespread the child trafficking is in many of the northern Indian villages” Rudy described shortly after the Tribunal.

“We had two separate groups of Indians tell us that their chiefs and councilmen at two villages near Bella Bella and Powell River were actively trafficking local children to wealthy Americans and Canadian military personnel. This was happening apparently with the full knowledge of the local RCMP detachment in both towns, and in one case, even clergymen from the United Church were involved.”

The word on the street is even more explicit. Marion is a middle aged sex trade worker who is a veteran of “the stroll” along east Hastings street, where disappearances are a common occurrence. For years, she has watched as children are procured according to a well-organized and protected system involving wealthy predators.

“The going rate for a young child is $1,500 these days. Foreign tourists will ask for a young virgin, of either sex, and the younger the age, the more they’re willing to pay. It’s watched over by the Vancouver cops, who get a cut. But it’s run by an international network; Vancouver’s just one spoke in the wheel. I hear it’s got a direct tie to Thailand and the child sex trade there.”

Don’t expect any police or legal intervention to stem or even investigate such child abuse and trafficking in B.C. According to Rob Nicholson, the Attorney General’s office is itself implicated in this organized pedophilia.

“In the case of two convicted pedophiles, a Dr. Gossage and a Mr. Benest, a school Principal, the B.C. Attorney General’s office through a special prosecutor, Peter Leask, protected these child rapists and ensured that compliant judges imposed a media ban to protect their identities and reputations. Leask had also served as the attorney for Gossage. Such direct collusion between pedophiles and the government has gone unchallenged.” (August 2002)

According to a retired RCMP special investigator in Vancouver who requests anonymity, child pornography and trafficking is continually on the rise because of judicial toleration of violence against children, as indicated by constantly minimal prison sentences for convicted child sex offenders. To quote the RCMP official,

“The unofficial policy and official practice is to look the other way when children are raped. It’s just not considered much of a crime to violate a child. That climate encourages pedophiles to act with impunity.”

With the approach of the Olympics and the influx of wealthy tourists into Vancouver, the trafficking in children will only increase. According to Carol Martin,

“We’re not only going to see 5000 people made homeless by the Olympics, but a lot more women and kids disappear. Whenever the tourists show up, our people go missing.”

What is to be done?

In a culture like ours, where people are commodities and children are traditionally seen to be originally sinful, child abuse cannot help but be endemic. But what is less obvious is the fact that pedophilia in Canada is actually being organized and protected by the very institutions of state and church that pose as protectors of children.

The Catholic, Anglican and United Church of Canada, for instance, have been legally absolved by the government of any wrongdoing for the torture and death of more than 50,000 children in their Indian residential schools: a travesty of justice that nevertheless has proceeded without protest or comment from most Canadians.

Such mass indifference to a crime against humanity in our midst is more than telling. For one wonders how child prostitution, trafficking and murder can ever be eradicated from our midst when the foxes are still in charge of the chicken coop; and while the right of adults and institutions to violate and destroy innocence continues to go unchallenged and unpunished.

A Cowichan native on Vancouver Island whom I’ve known for years once told me that, before the coming of the whites, his people had a simple way to deal with anyone who harmed a child in their village.

“A group of warriors assigned to the job would take the offender out into the forest, and you’d never see him again. For us, our children were sacred, and we had a zero toleration for whatever might harm them: because we knew that if the next generation was crippled, our people had no future.”

Perhaps it’s time for such simple tribal wisdom to prevail in “Beautiful British Columbia”, where men with money and power continue to run amok over the lives of the innocent.

wyndham
15-02-2010, 04:57 PM
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Posted on Thu, Feb. 04, 2010

Volunteers fight dark side of Super Bowl: child prostitution
Carol Marbin Miller and Jennifer Lebovich | Miami Herald
last updated: February 04, 2010 09:03:08 PM

Two dozen volunteers from around the country gathered inside a Miami conference room earlier this week to prepare for the Super Bowl.

They're not here for the game, though, but to spend several days fanning out through the city to rescue underage girls who have been trafficked to South Florida as sex workers.

"The Super Bowl is obviously a really big deal for prostitution," Sandy Skelaney, a program manager at Kristi House, a program for sexually abused children, told the group. "We have a bunch of girls being brought down by pimps."

Just as police, hoteliers, restaurateurs and retailers have prepared for the big game, so too have children's advocates. For weeks, volunteers have printed fliers, prepared scripts and organized outreach teams in an effort to identify — and, with luck — rescue girls who are being forced into prostitution.

Last year, when the Super Bowl was held in Tampa, the Florida Department of Children & Families took in 24 children who were brought to the city to serve as sex workers, said Regina Bernadin, DCF's statewide human-trafficking coordinator.
"Miami is known as a destination city for human trafficking, and sporting events are generally recognized by the experts as magnets for prostitution," said Trudy Novicki, who heads Kristi House.

Under normal circumstances, Florida — and Miami in particular — draws more than its share of underaged sex workers, authorities say, lured by large numbers of transient men, the glitz of South Beach and a steady stream of conventions.

The testosterone-fueled Super Bowl is expected to generate as much traffic for prostitutes as it does for bartenders and bookies.

And though the girls who have made camp on South Beach and Downtown Miami may seem to be there voluntarily, authorities say, they almost certainly are former runaways or foster kids who fell prey to human trafficking. Some are barely out of puberty.

Ernie Allen, who heads the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, said girls typically enter prostitution at age 11 or 12.

"This is truly an example of supply and demand," said Allen. "They use these kids as commodities for sale or trade, and go to where demand is the greatest, and where they can make the most money. That's why they follow events like the Super Bowl."

greydove
15-02-2010, 05:01 PM
the entire catalog can be found at this link:
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/index.htm


here is its cover:
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/images/demoulin_front_cover_editied_version.jpg

this cover with its carnival fair/circus look to it reminds me of Fritz Springmeier's mention of Disneyworld and other theme parks being used to inflict trauma.(also note the cannibalism imagery, the 'candidates'
are being fed down a chute into a soup caldron.

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/images/demoulin_no_mans_land.jpg

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/images/demoulin_tooth-pulling_stunt.jpg

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/images/demoulin_electric_stretcher.jpg

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/images/demoulin_bird_cage.jpg

All this is a little too close to the woodpecker grid cages Springmeier said were used on military bases to traumatize small children. It also brings to mind the electric platform Steven Spielberg was said to have in his trailer to get actors ready for a scene, it was called "stepping up to the plate."

hunkahunka
15-02-2010, 05:47 PM
All this is a little too close to the woodpecker grid cages Springmeier said were used on military bases to traumatize small children. It also brings to mind the electric platform Steven Spielberg was said to have in his trailer to get actors ready for a scene, it was called "stepping up to the plate."

yes, reminded me of the giant birdcage scenes from Naked Lunch too
as well as this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5c/Mentors_utd.jpg/200px-Mentors_utd.jpg

http://www.popfi.com/wp-content/uploads/demoulin_a_low_down_buck.jpg

these devices were disguised as simple 'pranks' or hazing props, but it doesn't take too much imagination
to see how a lot of them would have been used during mk trauma scenarios. Many of the devices just go to
too much trouble , into too much expense, and into too much detail, to be innocent pranks.
The contraption above , for example, comes optionally with what is described a goat blat device to make
it occasionally emit goat sounds , and spray device to make it seem to spit or sweat.
imagine somone drugged out on scopalamine or LSD or ayahuasca (spelling?), or some combination
of other terrifying and disorienting drugs, kept awake for days, blindfolded , then told they are
going to be taken to hell by the goat of baphomet, and placed on this thing , which is then dragged behind a car or a horse, to get an idea of the kind of thing that could be done.
Also note the tormentor is dressed in duality/prisoner garb. Looks like something out of a 1930's jail or
concentration camp. Could this be a clue as to where a lot of this stuff really goes on?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/bronze_goat_1.jpg

hunkahunka
15-02-2010, 06:29 PM
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wyndham
16-02-2010, 02:40 PM
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Protests of military cargo being sent to Iraq from Olympia, Wa. port, city Cobain spent lots of time in. What better place to birth grunge than in the military's own back yard.

wyndham
16-02-2010, 03:05 PM
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Did John Lennon have a 'military past'?
Unearthed membership suggests young Beatle was Air Cadet

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John Lennon was a member of the Air Training Corps in his teenage years, according to records which have just been unearthed.

The pacifist musician’s membership card was found at a Beatles memorabilia roadshow put on for the BBC programme The One Show.

The card clearly states the holder’s name as "Lennon, John Winston", and his address as "251 Menlove Avenue, Woolton".

Similarly, his next of kin is listed as "Mrs ME Smith (Aunt)", the Aunt Mimi who, for the most part, brought him up.

Firefighter Tom Mills has been in possession of the ATC membership records since the 1970s – however, the card has yet to be formally authenticated by an ATC historian.

Stephen Maycock, a rock and roll memorabilia expert, told BBC News: “I had no idea that Lennon was ever a member of the Corps. So this is adding a new piece of the jigsaw which as far as I’m aware no one’s ever heard before.”


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hunkahunka
16-02-2010, 07:58 PM
ChuckZito - YouTube

http://www.rxmuscle.com/articles/latest-news/103-chuck-zito-stands-tough-with-rx-muscle.html

Chuck ZIto Stands Tough with Rx Muscle! l
Written by John Romano
Saturday, 07 March 2009 03:01


New York legend Chuck Zito Stopped by the SPECIES booth today with Mel Chancey (http://news.ewoss.com/articles/D8J3KS5G0.aspx)to say hi to Dave and me. The two former Hells Angels Presidents agreed that RX Muscle is their kind of site and pledged their allegiance. Zito, who now promotes his martial arts company; selling books, DVDs, apparel and more, as well appearing in numerous films and TV shows including the HBO hit series OZ, was on hand for his seventh Arnold Classic Expo.

Zito is the ultimate bad-ass with street creed that includes New York Golden Gloves Champ, mastery of several styles of martial arts, and 25 years as head of the most notorious motorcycle gang in history. He is definitely the kind of guy you want on your side. Chuck did this interview with Dave and has agreed to appear on Heavy Muscle Radio in the very near future so, stay tuned!

video: Chuck Zito in Oz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLzWOV0CqFo&feature=PlayList&p=725A989AFBE55390&index=1

dezkillaz
16-02-2010, 11:15 PM
Declassified US Government materials on this site: http://www.documen.tv/web-html/News_Letters/letter003fr.html just follow the red links

THE FIRST PAGE IS IN FRENCH, so if you don't understand French, use a translator like systran (which is able to translate an entire web page)
ANYWAY THE DOCUMENTS BEHIND THE RED LINKS ARE IN ENGLISH

Interesting official documents about CIA assassinations, tortures, involving drugs, guns, and other wonderful techniques

Oh and if you look closely on the main page in french, in the upright corner you should see an animated .gif which shows a face that should be familiar to you, since this person is linked to Cobain and have been suspected here in this forum to be a CIA agent ....

hunkahunka
17-02-2010, 12:27 AM
Kevin Annett, beaten, exposes role of Canada's police and churches in sex crimes and child trafficking

http://www.censored-news.blogspot.com/[/url]

Annett begins the article with this quote: "Ten of the last dozen women to be taken to the killing site at Piggy's Palace were accompanied by Mounties or regular cops. You think it was just Willie Picton who was killing them?"

The article continues, "She told me the man's name, a senior RCMP officer, and then said, 'Who doesn't matter. They're all doing it. It's called the ‘hooker game'. The Vancouver cops will pick up girls off the street, drug them with scopolamine and film them as they f--k them, in a cop club downtown on Georgia street . Then sometimes they kill the girls and film that too, and sell it for $25,000 as a snuff film."

Annett has exposed the rape, torture and murder of Native children in Canada's residential schools, through church documents and interviews. In one case, a Native girl was raped and the infant she gave birth to was thrown into the furnace. The abuse of Native children in Canada's residential schools mirrored the abuse in aboriginal boarding schools in Australia and BIA boarding schools in the United States.

Annett is now exposing the role of the church and Canadian government in sex crimes, including the disappearance of Native children in child trafficking and murder of Native women.

Annett also released a statement today about the attack.

"I have waited to comment on the attack because of my need to rest and recover, but concerns from many people have prompted me to go public with what happened to me.

"Last Wednesday, January 6, at around 9 am, I was assisting a woman facing eviction collect her belongings at a rooming house at 566 Powell street in Vancouver's downtown eastside. Two men suddenly burst into the room, and one of them, a tall, strongly built Caucasian man named Dave who apparently is the manager of the building and a former employee of the Union Gospel Mission, began punching and kicking me. I received severe bruises on my neck and back, and a bruised and possibly broken rib because of this attack.

"At no time did he or his accomplice, another strongly built Caucasian man who witnessed the beating, say why they were attacking me. The woman who I was assisting is a former sex trade worker who is now homeless, and who in the past has provided me with information concerning the disappearance of women in the downtown eastside.

"This assault occurred just two days after an article I wrote entitled 'Child Trafficking in Beautiful British Columbia' in The Agora newspaper was widely disseminated in the downtown eastside of Vancouver. The article describes the documented complicity of churches, the police and the government in the trafficking of children in protected pedophile networks in B.C. I therefore believe there is a connection between the publicizing of this story and the attack made on me. This incident represents yet another case of repression aimed at community activists by the 2010 Olympic security forces and police, and other unknown parties," Annett said.

Meanwhile, the oppression in Canada toward those who speak out against the 2010 Olympics was exposed when border guards recently detained and interrogated Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! Although Goodman had not planned to speak out about the Olympics, the harassment at the border backfired and exposed the ongoing oppression of those in the movement: "No Olympics on Stolen Land."

Annett, who for fifteen years has led the campaign to bring to justice the churches and government responsible for genocide in Canada's Indian Residential Schools, made international news in October 2009 when he held the first memorial service for missing native children outside the Vatican in Rome.
Rev. Annett, school survivors and native elders have also led high profile protests and occupations of churches in Vancouver and Toronto since 2005, and on many occasions Annett has been threatened by church officials and police, according to a statement from Hidden From History.

Annett said he will be returning to Rome and Europe in April with residential school survivors to confront Pope Benedict over the fate and buried location of thousands of children who died in Catholic Indian schools in Canada.

William Annett, Kevin Annett's father, wrote to the Prime Minister of Canada to demand justice.

"You are fully aware who Reverend Kevin Annett is. In case you've forgotten, I remind you that more than any other individual, it was his work and sacrifice over 17 years that made inevitable your 'apology' to the victims and survivors of the Indian Residential Schools, which you delivered in the House of Commons in June, 2008.

Annett's father described the attack and said, "I cannot accuse, because we cannot identify the source of this brutality. But I do know -- and you have the means of discovering -- who those responsible are. Certainly, the perpetrators exist somewhere within the following organizations, these sanctimonious Canadian institutions (still shielded by your government) who have ostracized, vilified and persecuted Kevin Annett, trashing his life since 1992, and aided in default by the gutless Canadian media who have known the truth since 1907: The Canadian Government/ the Department of Indian Affairs; The United Church of Canada; The Anglican Church of Canada; The Roman Catholic Church; The RCMP; The Vancouver Police Department; Certain Tribal Councils and Chiefs (establishment Indians.)"

"This will not happen again," William Annett said in his letter to the Prime Minister.

Annett's website is Hidden From History: http://www.hiddenfromhistory.org

UPDATE: Thursday, Jan. 14, 2010

From the Files of the Community Task Force on the Disappeared - Downtown Eastside of Vancouver

Memorandum on Eyewitness Evidence of the Organized Abduction, Torture, Exploitation and Murder of Women and Children on Canada's West Coast
Synopsis

1. An organized system of abduction, exploitation, torture and murder of large numbers of women and children appears to exist on Canada 's west coast, and is operated and protected in part by sectors of the RCMP, the Vancouver Police Department (VPD), the judiciary, and members of the British Columbia government and federal government of Canada , including the Canadian military.

2. This system is highly funded and linked to criminal organizations including the Hell's Angels, the Hong Kong Triad, and unnamed individual "free lance" mobsters from Vancouver and the USA . It is funded in part by a massive drug trade, with which it is intimately connected.

3. This system is decades-old and has been supplied for many years with women and children from aboriginal reserves and residential schools, with the paid collusion of lawyers, clergy and officials of the Roman Catholic, Anglican and United Church of Canada, along with state-funded aboriginal leaders and officials of the Department of Indian Affairs.

4. This system is international in scope, Vancouver being one spoke in a wheel of pedophilia, sex slavery, human organ black markets, "snuff" films and violent child pornography that has outlets throughout the Pacific Rim world, particularly in China and Thailand.

hunkahunka
17-02-2010, 11:47 AM
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Amy Bishop

HUNTSVILLE, Ala. -- The neurobiologist accused of killing three of her colleagues at the University of Alabama, Huntsville, on Friday was also a suspect in a 1993 mail bombing plot against a Harvard Medical School professor, the Boston Globe quoted law enforcement official as saying Sunday.

Amy Bishop was questioned along with her husband, James Anderson, after two 6-inch pipe bombs were sent to the Newton, Massachusetts home of Dr. Paul Rosenberg (http://www.childrenshospital.org/cfapps/research/data_admin/Site242/mainpageS242P0.html). While opening the package, the doctor saw the wires and a cylinder and fled the house.

The Globe said investigators searched Dr. Bishop's and Mr. Anderson's home, but the United States Attorney's office did not seek any charges against them, and no one was ever charged in the case.

The story doesn't say why she and her husband were questioned, that is, what facts known to federal officials at the time led them to her house.

But now that we know investigators asked the couple what they knew in the 1993 attempted bombing, reporters are no doubt working their sources to learn more about the facts of the unsolved 1993 case.

Meanwhile, there's more on the 1986 case in which she shot her younger brother to death, a case that was closed as accidental by the Braintree, Massachusetts. police department but whose handling was controversial with the police department even at the time. One suspicious aspect of the police department's handling of the case is that the police file of the investigation mysteriously disappeared decades ago.

Earlier reporting had indicated that the police ruled the death accidental because Bishop and her mother had said a shotgun in the house that Bishop had been handling unintentionally discharged, fatally blasting her brother Seth Bishop in the chest.

But a statement issued Saturday by Braintree Police Chief Paul Frazier very clearly relates that the accident story was at odds with what police responding to the December 1986 shooting noted at the time.

Officer Solimini recalled the incident as follows: He said he remembers that Ms. Bishop fired a round from a pump action shotgun into the wall of her bedroom. She had a fight with her brother and shot him, which caused his death. She fired a third round from the shotgun into the ceiling as she exited the home. She fled down the street with the shotgun in her hand. At one point she allegedly pointed the shotgun at a motor vehicle in an attempt to get the driver to stop. Officer Solimini found her behind a business on Washington Street. Officer Timothy Murphy was able to take control of the suspect at gunpoint and seized the shotgun. Ms. Bishop was subsequently handcuffed and transported to the police station under arrest."

"Officer Solimini informed me that before the booking process was completed Ms. Bishop was released from custody without being charged."

"I (Chief Frazier) spoke with the retired Deputy Chief who was then a Lieutenant and was responsible for booking Ms. Bishop. He said he had started the process when he received a phone call he believes was from then Police Chief John Polio or possibly from a captain on Chief Polio's behalf. He was instructed to stop the booking process. At some point Ms. Bishop was turned over to her mother and they left the building via a rear exit."

Braintree Police Lieutenant Karen MacAleese was a high school classmate and confirmed from photographs that the suspect is the same Amy Bishop who lived in Braintree.

"I was not on duty at the time of the incident, but I recall how frustrated the members of the department were over the release of Ms. Bishop. It was a difficult time for the department as there had been three (3) shooting incidents within a short timeframe. The release of Ms. Bishop did not sit well with the police officers and I can assure you that this would not happen in this day and age."

Adding to the questions surrounding the case is the information that Bishop's mother was on the Braintree city personnel board, according to a Boston Globe story.

The Globe and the Times both report that Polio, the police chief at the time of the 1986 shooting, denies there was any wrongdoing. From the Globe:

John Polio, the chief in 1986, defended his conduct yesterday and disputed Frazier's version.

"That's a joke. That's got to be a joke. If anybody knows history, I never covered anything up,'' Polio said at his Braintree home. He said he thought that the Bishop family's explanation of an accident was murky and that he wanted the district attorney to hold an inquiry. A report released last night by the district attorney's office confirmed that the DA's office investigated and also ruled the shooting an accident.

The district attorney at the time is long-time congressman Rep. William Delahunt, a Massachusetts Democrat.

All in all, what was an extraordinary story to start with, Bishop's alleged killing of three colleagues and wounding of three others at a campus faculty meeting, has now become even more remarkable. And the way this story is unspooling, you have to wonder what more we'll learn in coming days.

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As she was hauled away from the campus she seemed to not fully understand her alleged actions. "It didn't happen. There's no way," she said. "They are still alive."


I have some unanswered questions.

So, who was Amy Bishop's 18 yr. old brother? If Amy Bishop had really killed him like it is stated, why would it be ruled an accident and covered up? Did Amy Bishop really shoot her brother, or is this all a fabrication of some sort? If Amy Bishop didn't kill him, then who did? Why would someone want an 18 yr. old male from Braintree, Massachusetts dead?


(AP/Bob Gathany, Huntsville Times)
(CBS)
(AP/Huntsville Police Dept)
HUNTSVILLE, Ala. (CBS/AP)

Did Amy Bishop, the University of Alabama professor accused of killing three peers Friday in a possible tenure dispute, also gun down her brother in cold blood? Or was his 1986 death a tragic accident?

Some of the facts are not in dispute, but some details of the case are disturbing.

On Dec, 6, 1986, Bishop, 44, shot and killed her 18-year-old brother with a shotgun at their Braintree, Mass., home. She told police at the time that she had been trying to learn how to use the gun, which her father had bought for protection, when it accidentally discharged.

In all, three shots were fired: Braintree police Chief Paul Frazier said she shot once into a wall, then shot her brother, then fired a third time into the ceiling.

46 minutes later, Seth Bishop, a promising young engineering student and violinist, was dead, according to the Boston Globe. He was 18.

But there are differing accounts, according to the Boston Globe, of Bishop's actions leading up to and after the shooting and there are disturbing questions as to why the police file of the case is now missing.

At the time, Braintree Police Chief John Polio called the incident an accident. A 1987 report the Boston Globe obtained from the Norfolk County's District Attorney's office said that after Bishop had an argument with her father she went to her parents' room to learn to load the family's shotgun. The weapon fired once in the bedroom. She then went downstairs, the report says, and accidentally shot her brother while her mother looked on. Then she ran out of the house, 12-gauge shotgun in hand.

Police eventually caught up with her, cuffed her, and took her to the station. But because Bishop was so emotionally distraught, she was released hours later.

Police questioned family members 11 days after the shooting and found discrepancies in their versions of events, according to the Boston Globe.

Amy Bishop's mother said that Amy had asked her for help in unloading the gun and accidentally shot her brother. Amy Bishop herself said that she had asked her brother not her mother for help. He told her to point the gun high, she said. Someone said something. She spun around, and accidentally shot her brother who was walking across the kitchen.

Police at the time sent the case to the District Attorney's office who believed the core of the story, called it an accident and filed it away.

But now, after Bishop allegedly stormed into a biology faculty meeting on the University of Alabama campus, shot three faculty members to death and injured three more, police are questioning whether they got it right in Boston more than 20 years ago.

"I don’t want to use the word 'coverup,'" Braintree's current police chief, Paul H. Frazier told the Boston Globe. "I don’t know what the thought process was of the police chief at the time."

Frazier believes that Amy Bishop got in a fight her brother, not her father. He also doesn't understand why the original police report has been missing since 1988. He told the Boston Globe he was a patrolman at the time, but got his account from an officer who was at the scene.

Former chief Polio called the idea that he covered anything up a "joke," according to the Boston Globe.

It's not yet clear if Massachusetts police will re-open the old case, but Amy Bishop still has plenty of trouble. She has been charged with one count of capital murder. She could face the death penalty if convicted. More charges are expected.

Killed were Gopi K. Podila, the chairman of the Department of Biological Sciences, and professors Adriel Johnson and Maria Ragland Davis. Joseph Leahy and staffer Stephanie Monticciolo were in critical condition early Sunday. Luis Cruz-Vera was released from the hospital.

Police believe Amy Bishop was angry over not getting tenure. As she was hauled away from the campus she seemed to not fully understand her alleged actions. "It didn't happen. There's no way," she said. "They are still alive."

dezkillaz
17-02-2010, 12:05 PM
Kevin Annett, beaten, exposes role of Canada's police and churches in sex crimes and child trafficking

This story of Child trafficking reminds me of Clint Eastwood's "Changeling":

"Los Angeles, 1928. A single mother returns from work to find her nine-year-old son gone. She calls the LAPD to initiate a search. Five months later, a boy is found in Illinois who fits the description; he says he's her son. To fanfare and photos, the LAPD reunite mother and son, but she insists he's not her boy. The cops dismiss her as either a liar or hysterical. When she joins a minister in his public criticism of the police, they in turn use government power to silence and intimidate her. Meanwhile, a cop goes to a dilapidated ranch to find a Canadian lad who's without legal status; the youth tells a grisly tale. There's redress for murder; is there redress for abuse of power?"

http://lh4.ggpht.com/elaing.zhang/SPHrtlK8njI/AAAAAAAAVXo/PV7CY8E8UbQ/s800/changeling-poster.jpg

Very interesting it"s based on a true story though, organized paedophilia is said to be used to corrupt politicians, judges, as a blackmailing technique. The film doesn't reveal anything like that, it's always an isolated psychopath, but with a little imagination, it's obvious that something bigger is taking place, and the film tend to go on that way, you just have to rely the dots...

turquoisefire777
17-02-2010, 12:24 PM
anyone alse noticed this? the cover of the book "precious" by sapphire ...the butterfly wings and the crown...

http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/2009/12/Sapphire%20Movie%20Poster%202-thumb-250x385-20577.jpg

http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/2009/12/Sapphire%20Movie%20Poster%202-thumb-250x385-20577.jpg

wyndham
17-02-2010, 02:07 PM
anyone alse noticed this? the cover of the book "precious" by sapphire ...the butterfly wings and the crown...

http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/2009/12/Sapphire%20Movie%20Poster%202-thumb-250x385-20577.jpg

http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/2009/12/Sapphire%20Movie%20Poster%202-thumb-250x385-20577.jpg

'Precious' is one of their favorite cues.

meek
17-02-2010, 02:57 PM
'Precious' is one of their favorite cues.

How interesting to view 'The Precious' depicted in Lord of the Rings as a class of vulnerable, mind-controlled people who can either be exploited for personal gain or protected until they are 'destroyed' /'set free' from their mind control. This setting free will also bring about the collapse of the system which created them and needs them to sustain itself. Understand that when I refer to 'destroyed' above I mean destroying the mind-control programming and not the person who was subjected to it.

Just a little something to ponder.

http://blackliberal.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/gollum-and-the-precious.jpg

ronisron
17-02-2010, 02:58 PM
From my own memories of living in Vancouver, kids go missing there all the time, never to be found again. There are strip bars everywhere, and prostitution is part of the city's fabric. It wasn't hard to see that there is no way in hell 52 women can go missing over such a long period of time, and not have cooperation from law enforcement to ensure it continued on as long as it did. Pickton is only being charged with 2nd degree murder, which shows that some in the court system are trying to make this all go away, before it becomes too obvious. Not to mention Gary Ridgway and all of the Green River killings in Washington, just a few hours south of Vancouver. There is no way that snivelling little geek killed that many women with what amounted to impunity.

I don't know if this has come up, but there was a nurse named Cindy James, who was found dead, hog tied with a needle in her arm, at an abandoned house in Richmond.

Who Killed Richmond nurse, Cindy James? - YouTube

http://www.unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/une_cindy_james.htm


It was called suicide. Ms James had been going "crazy", according to friends and relatives. She had accused the UBC Head of Psychiatric medicine, James Tyhurst, and her husband at the time, of drugging her and flying to a house on one of the many small islands off of vancouver mainland. She said they were "cutting up dead bodies". No one believed her. She was stalked, threatened, harrassed, attacked, and finally murdered over a 7 year period. Police never took her claims seriously, called it a suicide and said she staged all of the attacks herself.

A few years later, James Tyhurst was disgraced and lost his license after several female patients came forward and said he had drugged them, and had sex with them, dressing them up in bondage gear and photographing them.

http://robwipond.com/?p=56

An excerpt from the article, which centers around another doctor who lost his license for sexual impropriety in Ontario being granted one in B.C.;

"Most college investigations are confidential, with details unavailable to reporters even under B.C.’s freedom of information laws. One of the few publicly available examples of a B.C. college reprimand in a severe case involves Victoria native Dr. James Tyhurst, former head of the UBC department of psychiatry. In 1981, a female patient testified that her “therapy” involved having to strip naked, kneel and call Tyhurst “master”.

The college interviewed the psychiatrist and then issued a letter of reprimand, advising Tyhurst that “the degree of subjugation was unwarranted and its effectiveness questionable”. Tyhurst didn’t stop practising until 1991, when four more female ex-patients testified during his criminal trial to being subjected to hundreds of whipping sessions and forced oral sex."

B.C. is one crazy, creepy place. There is no doubt of that. Geographically beautiful, lots of great people there, but an undercurrent of nastiness of the worst kind.

wyndham
17-02-2010, 03:44 PM
How interesting to view 'The Precious' depicted in Lord of the Rings as a class of vulnerable, mind-controlled people who can either be exploited for personal gain or protected until they are 'destroyed' /'set free' from their mind control. This setting free will also bring about the collapse of the system which created them and needs them to sustain itself. Understand that when I refer to 'destroyed' above I mean destroying the mind-control programming and not the person who was subjected to it.

Just a little something to ponder.

http://blackliberal.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/gollum-and-the-precious.jpg


http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/sqTgRMc79Ug/default.jpg

The animated version of Gollum [golem], as named by Tolkien, was not enough, our imaginations must become digitized. Animation was one dimensional. The new animation mixes live action, animation and digital imagery. It is already possible to project world leaders in live conversation in false backdrops without anyone knowing or caring.

http://citizendick.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/jeff-buckley2.jpg

people referred to Jeff Buckley this way...

music and musicians are carefully guarded...

http://files.myopera.com/six_string_wizard/blog/spheres_Euclids5solidsKepler.jpg

Kepler, physics, astronomy and the Music of the Spheres, ie electromagnetism

meek
17-02-2010, 04:33 PM
http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/sqTgRMc79Ug/default.jpg

The animated version of Gollum [golem], as named by Tolkien, was not enough, our imaginations must become digitized. Animation was one dimensional. The new animation mixes live action, animation and digital imagery. It is already possible to project world leaders in live conversation in false backdrops without anyone knowing or caring.

http://citizendick.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/jeff-buckley2.jpg

people referred to Jeff Buckley this way...

music and musicians are carefully guarded...

http://files.myopera.com/six_string_wizard/blog/spheres_Euclids5solidsKepler.jpg

Kepler, physics, astronomy and the Music of the Spheres, ie electromagnetism

Jeff Buckleys un-suspicious death;

On the evening of May 29, 1997, Buckley's band flew to Memphis intending to join him in his studio there to work on the newly-written material. That same evening, Buckley went swimming in Wolf River Harbor,[102] a slackwater channel of the Mississippi River, while wearing boots, all of his clothing, and singing the chorus of the song "Whole Lotta Love" by Led Zeppelin.[103] Buckley had gone swimming there several times before.[104] A roadie in Buckley's band, Keith Foti, remained on shore. After moving a radio and guitar out of reach of the wake from a passing tugboat, Foti looked up to see that Buckley had vanished. Despite a determined rescue effort that night, Buckley remained missing. On June 4, his body was spotted by a tourist on a riverboat and was brought to land.[103]

An autopsy to clarify the cause of Buckley's death showed no signs of drugs or alcohol in his system and the death was ruled as an accidental drowning.[105] In order to clarify the situation of his death, this statement was released from the Buckley estate:

Jeff Buckley's death was not "mysterious," related to drugs, alcohol, or suicide. We have a police report, a medical examiner's report, and an eye witness to prove that it was an accidental drowning, and that Mr. Buckley was in a good frame of mind prior to the accident.

wyndham
17-02-2010, 05:25 PM
Jeff Buckleys un-suspicious death;

On the evening of May 29, 1997, Buckley's band flew to Memphis intending to join him in his studio there to work on the newly-written material. That same evening, Buckley went swimming in Wolf River Harbor,[102] a slackwater channel of the Mississippi River, while wearing boots, all of his clothing, and singing the chorus of the song "Whole Lotta Love" by Led Zeppelin.[103] Buckley had gone swimming there several times before.[104] A roadie in Buckley's band, Keith Foti, remained on shore. After moving a radio and guitar out of reach of the wake from a passing tugboat, Foti looked up to see that Buckley had vanished. Despite a determined rescue effort that night, Buckley remained missing. On June 4, his body was spotted by a tourist on a riverboat and was brought to land.[103]

An autopsy to clarify the cause of Buckley's death showed no signs of drugs or alcohol in his system and the death was ruled as an accidental drowning.[105] In order to clarify the situation of his death, this statement was released from the Buckley estate:

Jeff Buckley's death was not "mysterious," related to drugs, alcohol, or suicide. We have a police report, a medical examiner's report, and an eye witness to prove that it was an accidental drowning, and that Mr. Buckley was in a good frame of mind prior to the accident.


Yes, nothing suspicious, neither with his father's overdose I am sure...

These people track genetics, family history and have divided the world into two camps because they believe in the eternal recurrence, at least as far as systems theory is concerned...patterns repeat...the best way to prevent any heroic movement that would threaten banking and pornography is to nip it in the bud and to create ever more invasive ways to predict and surveil...Foucault's book was called Surveillance and Punishment in the original...you are already being punished if you are surveilled...

now what is interesting is that the other camp that 'believes' in evil is just as duped as the do gooders...but they have double indemnity because they are a layer deeper into the code, the pay back for paying into this belief system is twice as great but not in a good way, which is why people will do anything to keep paying, they don't want the payout....a very paranoid and schizoidal existence continually remanifested by hollywood and marijuana...

this is mentioned in Information Theory and cryptography, this logical predicament...by Shannon's Law that 'the enemy knows'...

greydove
17-02-2010, 05:56 PM
I'm glad to see Jeff Buckley mentioned here on the Cobain thread. I've had a strong feeling for a while now that his story is similar to Cobain's in some way. I also have a feeling that his death and his fathers death had to do with cult ties and spiritual/reincarnational affiliations. The Buckley's seemed to me, to be fom a line of troubador types going way back who were spreading the wrong kind of message to would-be listeners, having a powerful, direct channel to the source. For this reason they were co-opted through drugs etc. and finally silenced.

wyndham
17-02-2010, 07:15 PM
I'm glad to see Jeff Buckley mentioned here on the Cobain thread. I've had a strong feeling for a while now that his story is similar to Cobain's in some way. I also have a feeling that his death and his fathers death had to do with cult ties and spiritual/reincarnational affiliations. The Buckley's seemed to me, to be fom a line of troubador types going way back who were spreading the wrong kind of message to would-be listeners, having a powerful, direct channel to the source. For this reason they were co-opted through drugs etc. and finally silenced.


Yes, the name Buckley goes way back into Celtic nobility...the genetic history is there...and they certainly were positive people with a certain 'magic'...Jeff Buckley was classically trained and knew just as well as the programmers how to hook people through music, naturally, and also through music theory psychologically...he was a big fan of Ali Kahn and Pakistani singers, promoting them, which probably did not sit well with certain suits of a different persuasion...imagine a cross cultural Pakistani American music movement? no, no one can imagine anything but MTV

hunkahunka
18-02-2010, 11:09 AM
http://akamai-static.nme.com/images/article/84_John_Lennon_L071205.jpg


Did John Lennon have a 'military past'?
Unearthed membership suggests young Beatle was Air Cadet

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John Lennon was a member of the Air Training Corps in his teenage years, according to records which have just been unearthed.

The pacifist musician’s membership card was found at a Beatles memorabilia roadshow put on for the BBC programme The One Show.

The card clearly states the holder’s name as "Lennon, John Winston", and his address as "251 Menlove Avenue, Woolton".

Similarly, his next of kin is listed as "Mrs ME Smith (Aunt)", the Aunt Mimi who, for the most part, brought him up.

Firefighter Tom Mills has been in possession of the ATC membership records since the 1970s – however, the card has yet to be formally authenticated by an ATC historian.

Stephen Maycock, a rock and roll memorabilia expert, told BBC News: “I had no idea that Lennon was ever a member of the Corps. So this is adding a new piece of the jigsaw which as far as I’m aware no one’s ever heard before.”

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this is interesting in light of the history of Beatles manager Brian Epstein
(add another 'Stein' to the list ie: Steinem, Silverstein, Rothstein, etc):

Epstein's homosexuality was not publicly known until years after his death, although it had been an open secret among his friends and business associates.[22] While Epstein was in the Army, he had a tailor make an officer's uniform for him that he wore when cruising the bars of London, but was arrested one night (for impersonating an officer) at the Army and Navy Club on Piccadilly by the Military Police. Epstein managed to avoid a court martial by agreeing to see an army psychiatrist, who uncovered Epstein's sexuality.[91] He was discharged from the army after 10 months on the medical grounds of being "emotionally and mentally unfit", although Epstein later stated that his first homosexual experience was after he returned to Liverpool.[11][17][92]

hunkahunka
18-02-2010, 11:23 AM
repost removed video links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNBjDFH7QLc&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe2RYwD4ltQ

hunkahunka
18-02-2010, 11:27 AM
repost removed audio link:

audio:

Project Camelot interviews James Martinez (30 November 2009):

James Martinez was a business colleague and close confidant of Walter Bowart - the author of the groundbreaking, whistleblowing book Operation Mind Control published back in 1978. This is a fabulous audio interview which will be of enormous interest to all who (like myself) benefited greatly from Bowart's seminal work.

http://projectcamelot.org/James_Martinez_Walter_Bowart_30_November_2009.mp3

http://projectcamelot.org/Operation_Mind_Control_cover_sm.jpg

hunkahunka
18-02-2010, 11:51 AM
some recent pics of Courtney Love:

http://flisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/courtney-love-killed-kurt-cobain-courtney-love-bikini-pics-photos-images-gallery-botched-plastic-surgery-melting-abs-stomach-rolling-stone-versace-fashion-larry-flynt-nipple-slip-love-up.jpg?w=420

http://flisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/courtney-love-killed-kurt-cobain-courtney-love-bikini-pics-photos-images-gallery-botched-plastic-surgery-melting-abs-stomach-rolling-stone-versace-fashion-larry-flynt-nipple-slip-love-up5.jpg?w=420&h=630

http://flisted.files.wordpress.com/courtney-love-meth-3.jpg?w=420

http://flisted.files.wordpress.com/courtney-love-meth1.jpg?w=420

http://flisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/courtney-love-killed-kurt-cobain-courtney-love-bikini-pics-photos-images-gallery-botched-plastic-surgery-melting-abs-stomach-rolling-stone-versace-fashion-larry-flynt-nipple-slip-love-up2.jpg?w=420

http://www.cherrybombed.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/CourtneyLoveisBroke.jpg

http://www.celebitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/90630m8_love_b-gr_01.jpg

meek
18-02-2010, 09:53 PM
Miss Love is not looking very healthy these days. She looks like a mind numbed, tormented doll. When I look into her eyes I can't seem to see any soul there. Whatever she's done in her life I still feel sad for her when I look at her current state.

dezkillaz
19-02-2010, 06:20 AM
William S. Burroughs, who is famous for having 'accidentally' shot his wife in the head, is depicted as actually having carried out the act as a means to gain entry to another secret level or realm of the network.

I am starting to think Kurt Cobain and River Phoenix may have been tied up with this CIA child drug courier/prostitute stuff during their earlier years prior to becoming famous.

Cobain worshipped homosexual author William Burroughs, who at one point visited Rome, and then lived at a house in Tangiers which was used as a child prostitution brothel , prostituting male Moroccan children to visiting male tourists.
The film 'My Own Private Idaho' depicts a Seattle 16 year old gay-male prostitute who has been living on the streets since he was
twelve, is narcoleptic, suffers blackouts of missing time, and is transported around the world (including Rome). The boy's 'specialty' is apparently a propensity for passing out whenever he is kissed or told to disrobe for his customers. (could be some embedded mind control program, in that the act of disrobing under those circumstances is an embedded 'trigger', that makes him pass out or shift into his 'alter' state. The film 'My Own Private Idaho' appears to be showcasing the fruits of the labors of the CIA in some bizarre fashion.
Mike accusing his handler of selling his body for sex 'while he is asleep'.
Cobain is said to have once worked as a gay prostitute to feed his heroin habit, and toured Europe (including Rome) promoting a minor record before becoming famous with his second album. Cobain was also said to be narcoleptic.

Now listen to this bizarre reading by Burroughs , who always wrote semi-autobiographically , speaking of stealing a bag of severed limbs to feed his heroin habit (with , bizarrely, a heroin-addicted Kurt Cobain providing the background music. Cobain arranged to do this project with Burroughs, and later traveled to meet with Burroughs at his cottage) :


First, it is as yet no certainty for me that
Burroughs was CIA. I think it likely that he was. He says that he was almost recruited, and says that someone scuttled it for him, but who knows what the truth is ? Put it this way, if he had worked as a killer for the CIA, would he be eager to piss off the CIA by broadcasting that to the world?
Of course not. He would issue a denial of any relation to the CIA, if he knew what was good for him. He openly boasted of his homosexual prowess, and in a biographical film about him, titled 'Burroughs', he muses aloud that 'homosexuals are ideally suited to the role of CIA agents'.

anyone interested in this should see his biography film on Google video:


it shows him posing with his weapons collection.
He always said "write what you know about" and openly admits that most of his work is semi-autobiographical, so when he starts writing doing heroin about a bag containing severed brown legs, it does get interesting.
He lived in Mexico, South America, Morrocco

from Wikipedia:
*
When he found Rome and Ansen’s company dreary, inspired by Paul Bowles' fiction, he decided to head for Tangier, Morocco.[13] In a home owned by a known procurer of homosexual prostitutes for visiting American and English men, he rented a room and began to write a large body of text that he personally referred to as Interzone[14]. Burroughs lived in Tangier for several months, before returning to the United States where he suffered several personal indignities- Ginsberg was in California and refused to see him, A. A. Wyn, the publisher of Junkie, was not forthcoming with his royalties and his parents were threatening to cut off his allowance. All signs pointed him back to Tangier, a place where his parents would have to continue the support and one where drugs were freely available. He left in November 1954 and spent the next four years there working on the fiction that would later become Naked Lunch, as well as attempting to write commercial articles about Tangier. He sent these writings to Ginsberg, his literary agent for Junkie, but none were published until 1989 when Interzone, a collection of short stories, was published. Under the strong influence of a marijuana confection known as majoun and a German-made opioid called Eukodol (oxycodone), Burroughs settled in to write. Eventually, Ginsberg and Kerouac, who had traveled to Tangier in 1957, helped Burroughs edit these episodes into Naked Lunch.[15]
*
another interesting fact is that Burroughs often forgot having written some of the material, the drug-addled writings got so biographical and so bizarre at points that it prompted some alarm among Kerouac and Ginsberg:
"Bill, what's all this stuff about boys being hung in limestone caves?"

Another interesting film to watch is David Cronenburg's Naked Lunch,
which is written by Cronenberg and not based directly on Burrough's book of that name, but a story about the main character who is a composite assembled by Cronenberg of William Burrough's various characters.
The main character is someone who talks of being on 'assignment' by his handlers, and travels on missions to different foreign locations, and in contact with dark skinned homosexual boy prostitutes. It also, grotesquely, mentions illicit trafficking in something called 'the real black meat', which is depicted as dead black bugs. In fact the main character is at one an exterminator who kills 'bugs' with
by spraying them with an overdose of addictive chemicals.

So here's this guy with a weapons collection who travels around the world with a heroin habit who writes stories about being under the control of handlers, a gay heroin addict, and bags of severed legs etc.
Then I hear that Cobain did the background music for one of Burrough's
audio readings and it gets even weirder. I find out that Burroughs murdered his wife 'by accident' , shooting her in the head. I find out that Cobain worked as homosexual teen prostitute to feed his heroin habit at one time before becoming successful in music and was later obsessed with William Burroughs.
Then I find out that after the heroin addicted Cobain was found shot in the head, with many speculating that his wife Courtney Love had motive to have him killed or even shoot him herself, then Courtney goes on to a career as an actress, and to play the part of Burrough's murdered shot in the head wife Joan in the yr. 2000 film 'Beat' which was based on the life of William Burroughs.

Just to bring some background to the Cobain Case and Hunkahunka's theories, these are the streets Cobain grew up in...

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Streetwise (1984)

supertzar
19-02-2010, 02:50 PM
Cobain is said to have once worked as a gay prostitute to feed his heroin habit, and toured Europe (including Rome) promoting a minor record before becoming famous with his second album. Cobain was also said to be narcoleptic.


Citation please.

ronisron
19-02-2010, 03:36 PM
I just read a great book about the Cobain murder called "Love and Death", by Max Wallace and Ian Halperin. It is a follow up to their earlier book called "Who killed Kurt Cobain?". It is done really well, and traces his life from childhood to death. Also Courtney's. It goes really deep, and doesn't leave many stones unturned. It doesn't say directly that Courtney was involved, but they lay it out for you so you have no choice but to draw the obvious conclusion.

They of course also mention police complicity, and the fact that the coroner was an old friend of Courtney's. They mention "El Duce", his death, and the fact that Allen Wrench, the last man to see El Duce before he "fell under the train" was named by Hoke/El Duce as the actual killer. They conducted an interview with Wrench, and he all but admitted to doing the deed. He somehow came into a decent amount of money shortly after Cobain's death, and joked to the interviewers that "50,000 can go a long way!".

I don't think that Cobain was murdered as any kind of a CIA coverup, beyond the fact that CIA interests have their hands all over the music business, and Cobain for all intents and purposes was walking away from it all, at least for a while. He was also wanting to divorce Courtney, and that would have damaged her career. Lots of money at stake and as history shows, dead rock stars make a lot of money. Courtney does seem to be a strong possibility for an MK Ultra throwaway, her story is the most interesting, and does involve moving around, missing time, lots of drugs, conflicting stories, stripping and prostitution, plus an unerring ability to make bad things happen to people to she perceives to be messing with her. Cobain was as he was portrayed to be, his CIA connection, if any, comes through his involvement with Courtney. She targeted him, and was right as far as hitching her wagon to a rising star goes. She was with Billy Corgan before and after Cobain, and Trent Reznor too. Courtney is the story here.

dezkillaz
19-02-2010, 07:08 PM
http://www.atlargejudo.com/Allen_Shanghai_Karate_01.jpg
Allen Wrench, maybe his personal score tattooed on the hand ?

http://b7.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00013/78/07/13947087_l.jpg
Allen Wrench is a superstar antéchrist

http://www.myspace.com/killallenwrench
>> ironic isn't it ???

Does seriously nobody (a journalist or a private detective) ever carried out an investigation on this guy ?

meek
19-02-2010, 07:48 PM
This picture reminds me of the top pic there of Allen:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg195/festercyst/Hands_Resist_Him.jpg

This is an original called "Hands Resist Him". Google it to get the creepy background story on it.

I know they are not really related but the second I saw Allen above this pic came to mind from many years ago. How odd.

hunkahunka
19-02-2010, 08:12 PM
Citation please.

this question has been addressed and answered over and over in this
thread, but here goes again , for newcomers, considering how long the thread is.

http://covers4.booksamillion.com/covers/bam/0/78/671/369/0786713690.jpg

this excerpt is from the abaove Cobain biography by author Christopher Sandford.

'To support his drug habits, it has been alleged that Cobain “sold to the deadbeats on Heron Street, or at least engaged in a drugs-for sex traffic in order to support his habits”' (op. cit. Sandford, p. 51).

Was Kurt ever a homosexual prostitute ? He gave an interview to Spin magazine in 1992 :

Kurt: I always wanted to move to the big city. I wanted to move to Seattle, find a chicken hawk, sell my ass, and be a punk rocker, but I was too afraid. So I just stayed in Aberdeen for too long, until I was 20 years old.
SPIN: Forgive me for being uneducated, but when you said "chicken hawk"
Kurt: A chicken hawk is, like, an older gay man.
SPIN: Okay.
Kurt: Who sells children, like in Oliver Twist, you know. (Spin, December, 1992)

It sounds like he wasn't then , but that he wanted to be one.

Other comments by Kurt :

"...I've always been a really sickly, feminine person, so I thought I was gay for a while because I didn’t find any of the girls in my high school attractive at all. ...So I thought I would try to be gay for a while, but I'm just more sexually attracted to women...I mean, I'm definitely gay in spirit and probably could be bisexual. " So Kurt was attracted to men , but he found women more attractive.

In response to Courtney Love being described as a ' fag hag ' : “Oh, she is. That was all she did for about five or six years of her life - hang out in gay clubs. "

" If I wouldn’t have found Courtney, I probably would have carried on with a bisexual life-style. But I just find her totally attractive in all ways. "

Courtney Love also reported she had "...slept with about 15 women..." but she qualified this with “I'm not gay [nor bisexual because that is a farce], but I like women... I don’t think I'm bisexual just because I had sex with girls.” Ronnie Cray said something similar , he said he wasn't a ' poof ' just because he had sex with boys.

Coming from the redneck macho logging community of Aberdeen WA , maybe these hints were as much as Kurt could give that he actually was gay ? He and Krist Novoselic got arrested for spray painting ' HOMOSEXUAL SEX RULES ' on the side of a bank when he was 18 , was that just rebellion or something more ?

http://www.youth-suicide.com/gay-bisexual/news/kurt-cobain-god-gay.htm


Cobain was said to have been known as a homosexual during high school and considered gay by most students.
He had an inordinate number of gay contacts and influences including Michael Stipe, William Burroughs, Gus Van Sant, etc.

even the genre of music that Cobain ascribed to himself (before the label of 'grunge' was created and exploited as a marketing coup)
was 'punk', which has its true roots in the teen homosexual prison/street culture of drug addiction and prostitution.

Courtney Love met Cobain when he was playing a 'punk' gig in a Portland gay
bar known as Club Satyricon.

Cobain was french-kissed onstage by Krist Novoselic and often wore negligees
and nighties on stage.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w222/laurancotter/kurt_cobain_seattle.jpg
Cobain in gay leather dog collar and nail polish

http://img146.imagevenue.com/loc980/th_34035_cobainbluedress_122_980lo.jpg
Cobain in blue dress on magazine cover

http://sonnywilkins.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/william-burroughs-kurt-cobain-lawrence-ks.jpg
Cobain with his homosexual idol William Burroughs

Cobain appeared on the cover of the gay activist magazine 'The Advocate'

http://homepage.mac.com/m6hart/GarageSaleImages/GarageSale_1234230392_302.jpg
The Dark Side of Kurt Cobain: Nirvana's Frontman Shoots From the Hip (Cover-story). The Advocate, February 9, 1992

hunkahunka
20-02-2010, 11:35 AM
Just to bring some background to the Cobain Case and Hunkahunka's theories, these are the streets Cobain grew up in...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h-scpQ_szM

Streetwise (1984)

repost removed video link

hunkahunka
20-02-2010, 11:53 AM
http://thisrecording.com/storage/William-S-Burroughs-w-gun.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1239732504461

"I always thought a punk was someone who took it up the ass"

- William Burroughs

hunkahunka
20-02-2010, 09:13 PM
http://www.electronicbeats.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/elliott-smith-revived-in-documentary_header_image.jpg

Während alle Welt darauf wartet, dass Gus Van Sant endlich sein Opus Magnum über Elliot Smith produziert, ist mit “Searching For Elliott Smith” nun schon mal eine Dokumentation über das Leben des begnadeten Singer-Songwriters erscheinen. Der Regisseur Gil Reyes setzt sich darin mit dem Leben und dem mysteriösen Tod Smiths auseinander.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee284/gamasutra/elliott10.jpg
Elliot Smith


interesting that Gus Van Sant is linked to another film about a musician suicide:

Gus Van Sant, Mary Lou Lord & More To Appear In 'Searching For Elliott Smith' Documentary

Elliott's music was obviously used all over Gus Van Sant's "Goodwill Hunting" in 1997 (and then again in "Paranoid Park" in 2007), but the more interesting story is that Smith recorded some songs for Mike Mills' "Thumbsucker" shortly before he died — and the indie singer was actually supposed to record many famous covers for the soundtrack before he died, John Lennon, Neil Young, etc., we wrote that story too — but unfortunately he passed away before it happened. His pre-existing cover of Big Star's "13" however, was used in the film and Smith was able to pull off a cover of Cat Stevens' "Trouble" before he died which was also featured in the picture.
complete article:

http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2009/11/gus-van-sant-mary-lou-lord-more-to.html


Elliot Smith had a very mk-ish childhood:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Smith

Early life

Steven Paul Smith was born at Clarkson Hospital in Omaha, Nebraska. His mother Bunny Welch (née Bunny Kay Berryman) was a music teacher at an elementary school, and his father Gary Smith was a University of Nebraska medical student at the time. His parents divorced about a year later, and Smith moved with his mother to live in Duncanville, Texas.

Smith endured a difficult childhood[5] and a troubled relationship with his stepfather Charlie Welch.[6] Later in life, Smith would come to believe that he had been sexually abused by Welch at a young age.[7] He reflected the impact of this part of his life in the lyrics of "Some Song": "Charlie beat you up week after week, and when you grow up you're going to be a freak."[6] The name "Charlie" also appeared in the lyrics for "Flowers for Charlie" and "No Confidence Man". The family was a part of the Community of Christ through much of Smith's childhood,[8] but eventually began attending services at a local Methodist Church. Smith felt that going to church did little for him, except make him "really scared of Hell".[9] In a 2001 interview, he stated, "I don't necessarily buy into any officially structured version of spirituality. But I have my own version of it".[10]

At the age of nine, Smith began playing the piano, and at ten began learning guitar on a small acoustic guitar bought for him by his father.[11] At this age he also composed an original piano piece, "Fantasy," which won him a prize at an arts festival.[12] Many of the people on his mother's side of the family were non-professional musicians; his grandfather was a Dixieland drummer and his grandmother sang in a glee club.[12]

At 14, Smith moved from Texas to Portland, Oregon, to live with his father, who was then working as a psychiatrist. It was around this time that Smith first began trying drugs, including alcohol, with friends as well as experimenting with recording for the first time, borrowing a four-track recorder.[12

emerald
20-02-2010, 09:34 PM
A SKULLS&BONES man?

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/259/jpgelliotsmith1998photo.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/jpgelliotsmith1998photo.jpg/)

dezkillaz
21-02-2010, 08:45 AM
Thank you Hunkahunka for reposting the missing video link !!!

Another thing about a film by Jim Jarmush I was talking about some months ago in this thread, the title "The Limits of Control" is in fact based on a 1975 novel by WILLIAM BURROUGHS !!! (Once again)

After "Dead Man", "The Limit Of Control" the New Jim Jarmush's film features the band Earth for its soundtrack (Dylan Carlson frontman of Earth being known to have been K.Cobain drugmate before his death and the one who brought him the gun he supposedly shot his brain with...).
Although It's hard to tell if the film will feature m.k. allusions before having watched it, However the subject of the film itself already suggests interesting things, such as an artistic activitie covering up murders activities (see below)*

"The Limits of Control (2009): The Music of Life (and Death)

Like Ghost Dog, Jarmusch's latest movie, The Limits of Control, has a protagonist who is a black killer-for-hire. Played by Isaach De Bankolé, the Lone Man (as he's identified in the credits) is an inscrutable, immaculately dressed, hyper-alert (he seems to hardly ever blink) perfectionist who is excessively, almost ludicrously fastidious in all his actions. When he eats a pear, he cuts it up so exquisitely it looks like a still life; when he visits a café, he insists on getting two single espressos in separate cups rather than a double espresso.

In one of his most interesting deployments of music yet, Jarmusch calls on the Japanese heavy rock band Boris for sounds that contradict the film's repressed emotional atmosphere and crisp camerawork. Inspired by acid rock and doom-laden metal of the late Sixties and early Seventies, Boris's blissfully amorphous waves of guitar distortion seem to spill across the screen, evoking all the limitlessness and uncontrol that the Lone Man has banished from his existence. (When a gorgeous secret agent with an unexplained penchant for wearing no clothes tries to seduce him, Lone Man explains he never has sex while on a mission).
Boris

The tingling ambient horizons of Boris's "Farewell," which recurs at several key points in the movie, initially conjure a mood of swoony reverie, before the tune erupts into pummeling bombast, as if to promise the violence to come later in the movie––an orgiastic spilling of blood to release the tension built up by Lone Man's self-discipline. Intriguingly, Boris's sound is the polar opposite of the music listened to for pleasure within the movie's action by Lone Man: refined and courtly classical by Schubert. Somewhere between the two extremes lies the flamenco performed in another scene, which fuses the catharsis of extreme emotion with the poise of the staccato dance style. In a black-humorous joke, the flamenco performance prefigures the assassin's use of a guitar string as a lethal weapon * . It's yet another example of the centrality of music to Jim Jarmusch's warped and witty imagination."

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2009/03/12/limits-of-control-poster.jpg

hunkahunka
21-02-2010, 01:42 PM
http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/masons_baphomet.jpg
Hochgradfreimaurer, "Baphomet" verehrend (high-level masons worshiping "Baphomet")
(looks like this painting could either depict them carrying a statue (like the Catholics carry a statue of Mary in some services) , or carrying a man dressed in a mask and wings. Is he the leader, or (apparently voluntary) a human sacrifice?)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/1/13/20050604091612!KKK-symbol.jpg
KKK logo

http://www.clipser.com/vimages/79feb26ae420bde2761d45cee6b05d94/c81e728d9d4c2f636f067f89cc14862c/31d8c799e8b509f9c222fb1ce506946b1.jpg

http://www.myspaceantics.com/images/myspace-graphics/funny-pictures/kkk-ferris_wheel.jpg

http://www.charmaineyoest.com/Margaret_Sanger_KKK_rally.jpg

http://amhist.ist.unomaha.edu/module_files/KKK%20picnic%201924.jpg

http://www.wpclipart.com/American_History/Ku_Klux_Klan.png

hunkahunka
21-02-2010, 02:25 PM
http://www.dogsplayingpoker.org/gallery/coolidge/img/riding_the_goat.jpg

http://www.freemasoninformation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/demoulingoatridingtrike2.jpg
goat riding machine

nikki_miaow
21-02-2010, 11:49 PM
Kurt Cobain was not homosexual. Neither was he narcoleptic. Also, that is NOT Courtney Love on the cover of the Grateful Dead album. This is a myth she created to impress people.

ronisron
22-02-2010, 02:30 PM
Kurt Cobain was not homosexual. Neither was he narcoleptic. Also, that is NOT Courtney Love on the cover of the Grateful Dead album. This is a myth she created to impress people.

I like your style...;)

In any case, I agree. There is no evidence that Kurt was gay, or a prostitute at any time -- it is all opinionated conjecture, some of it having it's roots in "stories" told by Courtney Love. He was like any rebellious kid with a brain, and he was bored in Aberdeen. That's why he did things like paint "Homosexual Sex Rules" on the side of a building, and pretend to be gay. He had no homosexual lovers to speak of, none have ever come forward, he never named any. I have also read William Burroughs, and I like some of his work. "Cities of the Red Night" is mind blowing. A lot of people like him because twisted as he is, he's a true literary genius. He's also someone who injected opiates for years, and is famous because of that. Kurt wanted to be a junkie rock star, not unlike Andrew Wood, Layne Staley, Chris Cornell..... etc. Seatlle is rife with heroin, because of it's proximity to Vancouver. 95% of the heroin that floods North America comes in through Vancouver, the city and the Island. Also, morphine is a hell of a pain killer, and Kurt suffered crippling stomach pains most of his life, the result of a childhood illness (scoliosis??) that left him with pinched stomach nerves. After a doctor correctly diagnosed it and put him on proper medication, he started gaining a little weight, and feeling much better. This was shortly before he died.

Kurt told folks that Courtney was the "best sex he ever had". That should've been it, but he fell for the whole Nancy Spungen charade. It cost him. She is the portal through which all the crap that cost him his life came through.

wyndham
22-02-2010, 07:21 PM
Joe Stack attended Hershey Milton School for Orphans, Catholic Orphanage connected to Hershey Chocolate, similar to Boys Town molestations

http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID264/images/austincrash.jpg


http://explorepahistory.com/images/ExplorePAHistory-a0k9e4-a_349.jpg

Having a 'perp' like this attend a school like this gets everyone, the real pervs and perps, on board...like a national news flash for pervs and perps...they feel safe this way...don't talk...another sucker goes down...that type of thing...

hunkahunka
23-02-2010, 01:56 AM
audio :
The Real News Radio 2-17-10 Mkultra

The Real News Radio 2-17-10 Mkultra, The Real News Radio 2-17-10 Mkultra farrenfks on USTREAM. World News

hunkahunka
23-02-2010, 11:17 AM
video:

CBC show on Mkultra

Watch an extract of the program CBC - THE HOUR - w/George Stroumboulopoulos, aired January 9, 2007:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

"The Hour" with George Stroumboulopoulos, aired an interview with one of the Canadian victims of CIA experiments in Canada. A story hard to believe and really disturbing but a piece of the Canadian long cooperation with the CIA. It involves drugs, brainwashing, and the CIA.

In 1998, author Anne Collins published In the Sleep Room about the brainwashing experiments in Canada. Her book inspired the CBC miniseries The Sleep Room which aired in 1998 and won the Gemini for best TV movie or mini-series. An interview with Anne Collins was aired in 2007.

wyndham
23-02-2010, 07:48 PM
video:

CBC show on Mkultra

Watch an extract of the program CBC - THE HOUR - w/George Stroumboulopoulos, aired January 9, 2007:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee6KwL0GZVg

"The Hour" with George Stroumboulopoulos, aired an interview with one of the Canadian victims of CIA experiments in Canada. A story hard to believe and really disturbing but a piece of the Canadian long cooperation with the CIA. It involves drugs, brainwashing, and the CIA.

In 1998, author Anne Collins published In the Sleep Room about the brainwashing experiments in Canada. Her book inspired the CBC miniseries The Sleep Room which aired in 1998 and won the Gemini for best TV movie or mini-series. An interview with Anne Collins was aired in 2007.



Very interesting. There has to be some semblance of legality an djustice otherwise everything topples.

hunkahunka
24-02-2010, 12:55 PM
JUDY GARLAND 1922–1969

Judy Garland never had a problem taking her audience wherever she wanted them to go; this was her special magic from the first moment that she stepped on stage. In the winter of 1939, she starred in her seventh film, “The Wizard of Oz,” and recorded what would become her signature song, “Over the Rainbow.” That same year she pressed her hand and shoe prints into the concrete in the forecourt of Grauman’s Chinese Theater, the landmark on the Hollywood Walk of Fame; an international star at 17.

However, the price and pressures of such fame were high. Her studio contract required her to maintain a certain physical appearance—if she gained weight, she could be suspended without pay. She was prescribed antidepressants and amphetamines to control her appetite and barbiturates to help her sleep.

As Garland became more and more addicted to the drugs, her friends noticed alarming differences; a gaunt look from severe weight loss and dark-blue circles under her eyes. Garland was also introduced to psychoanalysis. At her first interview with psychiatrist Karl Menninger, he told her that “she had problems; they could become serious; she needed help”—immediately. Garland started seeing Menninger, his associate, Ernst Simmel, and, later, Frederick Hacker.

As the drugs took a progressively greater hold of her life, her behavior on the film set became erratic, disruptive and demoralizing to others in the crew. As later medical evidence showed, the drugs were gradually destroying her physically.

Gerald Frank, in his book Judy, revealed that with no relief in sight, by the end of the film “The Pirate,” Garland was “completely and desperately exhausted.” “She took the medication to wipe out her anxieties, and then when she attempted to do without pills … the result was a physical pain and a sense of suffocation that became so intense that she had to take the pills again.” Now, “her cure became her illness which became her cure which became her illness.”

Under a psychiatrist’s orders, she began the first of many stays in psychiatric hospitals. In 1949, not yet 27 years old, she was subjected to the violence and degradation of electroshock. In the late 1950s, as Garland’s drug-induced health problems became critical, she was admitted to the hospital with her liver and spleen massively swollen and her whole body poisoned with fluids. Seven weeks later she checked out to make her third and final stage comeback. This time she was prescribed Valium, Thorazine and, at one time, 40 Ritalin pills a day.

Assertions that the source of Garland’s troubles was an inherent artistic neurosis (or similar psychobabble) came only from arrogant psychiatrists or psychoanalysts with purses to fill. In fact, she had formed her own firm opinion of her treating psychiatrists, as reported by Frank: “She was abysmally discouraged; her years of analysis had not helped her … she had no respect for psychiatrists, she had seen more than a dozen of them and they had all failed her.”

It was a realization that came too late. On June 15, 1969, Garland performed on stage for the last time at the Half Note Club in Greenwich Village. Six days later she died of a psychiatric drug overdose in a London hotel.

meek
24-02-2010, 01:29 PM
Since we are talking about "exhausted performers" ....

'I consider myself quite the lady,' declares Lady Gaga as she goes topless in magazine shoot

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1253210/Lady-GaGa-says-Im-quite-lady-bares-topless-magazine-shoot.html

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 7:10 PM on 23rd February 2010


She been renowned for her eccentric clothing and preference to wearing underwear in public.
But in a new interview, flamboyant singer Lady Gaga proves she's a living contradiction as she insists she's 'quite the lady'.
The 23-year-old singer, real name Stefani Germanotta, makes the declaration in a revealing new interview with Q magazine, which sees the pop star posing topless.

Lady Gaga poses in little but a pair of spiky trousers and metal chains around her neck in the new issue of Q magazine

The Poker Face star poses in little but a pair of spiky black trousers and metal chains around her neck in the simple shoot, which took place last December, just weeks before Gaga was diagnosed with 'exhaustion'.
Despite regularly flashing the flesh on stage, Gaga says she's more traditional than people realise.
She said: 'Well, I believe in certain institutions: cooking, serving dinner, taking care of my family. So I consider myself quite the lady.'

Signs of stress were clearly visible during the interview and photoshoot, which abruptly ended after Gaga broke down in tears.
She was advised to postpone a concert in West Lafayette, Indiana, on January 15 on doctor's orders.

Gaga's exhaustion, which led to a concert being cancelled in Indiana, was already in evidence during the interview
The singer was suffering breathing problems just moments before she was due to take the stage and was advised to take several days off.
At the time, she apologised on her Twitter micro-blogging site: 'I've been crying for hours, I feel like I let my fans down tonight. An hour before the show, I was feeling dizzy and having trouble breathing.'

'I can't apologise enough for how sorry I am... My stage has complicated mechanical elements, everyone was concerned I'd be in danger during the two hour show, since I had passed out earlier. I am so devastated.'

The journalist writing the accompanying interview confirms reports that Gaga broke down during the interview, which took place a few weeks before she cancelled the gig in Indiana due to 'exhaustion'.
Sylvia Patterson wrote: 'Over the next three hours, the shoot slowly but painfully begins to unravel as various technical conundrums arise..

Lady Gaga shows off her toned figure as she poses with some Edward Scissorhands-style PVC gloves
'Gaga is perplexed, convinced the lighting makes "my eyes look dead" or accentuates her "weak chin"...
'"Listen to what I'm saying," declares Gaga, more forthright and uncompromising than global pop entities twice her age. "I just don't like the photo."
The full interview is in the new issue of Q magazine, on sale now
'Soon her invincible demeanour dissolves. "I'm stressed..." She retreats to her dressing room, only to emerge mere minutes later in tears and wearing enormous shades...
'She says she has to leave and hopes the shoot can be rescheduled. "I'm just not in a good place right now."'
In the Q magazine interview, Gaga admitted she had many emotional battles with her record label over her individual style.
She said: 'The last thing a young woman needs is another picture of a sexy pop star writhing in sand, covered in grease, touching herself.
'My image was an issue at my record label. I fought for months and cried at meetings.
'I got criticised for being arrogant because if you're sure of yourself as a woman they say you're a bitch whereas if you're a man and you're strong-willed it's normal.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1253210/Lady-GaGa-says-Im-quite-lady-bares-topless-magazine-shoot.html#ixzz0gSYYWckp

turquoisefire777
25-02-2010, 06:03 PM
please note on tim rifat...although very knowledgable, he thinks he's the anti-christ.....

MICROWAVE MIND CONTROL

by Tim Rifat (http://www.whale.to/b/rifat.html#ukintelligence)

As a scientist researching into microwave weapons used on the general public, evidence that the GM900 microwave network as used by Vodaphone and British Telecom, is a major health hazard, has come to my attention. Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) documents entitled: Biological Effects Of Electromagnetic Radiation (Radiowaves and Microwaves) Eurasian Communist Countries, show that microwave frequencies similar to those of the cellular phones can cause health problems in the following areas:

Blood.
Cardiovascular System.
Cells.
Central Nervous System.
Digestive System.
Glands.
Metabolism.
Reproduction.
Visual System.
Internal Sound Perception.
Equipment to test the frequency and intensity of microwave phones shows that they produce signals similar to microwave ovens. Two Vodaphone cellular phones were producing 100mW/cm2 and 50 mW/cm2 respectively. The danger level for microwave ovens is 5mW/cm2 and the Russians regularly used 10 mW/cm2 for weapon research. These Vodaphones will therefore cause significant health problems if used. A variety of cell phones can be tested to see how dangerous they are.

The GM1800 system used by Orange uses higher frequency microwaves. Australian scientists found this caused cancer in mice exposed to radiation of this type. The documents in my possession show that microwaves pass deeply into the body and can have a negative effect on the brain and body.

The DIA research dates from 1976 and shows the dangers were known about over twenty years ago. The Soviets used the frequencies and intensities used by mobile phones, 1800 MHz and 900 MHz, as weapons. It is a rule of the intelligence community that you hide things in plain view, getting the public to accept microwave mind control weapons which effect their behaviour under the guise of mobile phones was a stroke of genius. Getting the public to pay for these microwave mind control devices, so their brains and behaviour can be damaged, to make them more docile and easy to control, was pure diabolical genius.

UK INTELLIGENCE FORCES AND MICROWAVE MIND CONTROL

Microwave weapons that turn people into stressed, confused, submissive zombies are being used in Britain's inner cities. Developed by the communists, microwave weapons similar to microwave ovens have since the 1980s, been targeted on inner city council estates. These weapons transmit extremely low frequency (ELF) signals which mimic natural brain waves; at the flick of a switch, all the people around these microwave transmitters are turned into submissive zombies who cannot think clearly, become depressed, apathetic and want to lounge around all day doing nothing: the inner city malaise found on Britain's streets. With the advent of new ELF detectors designed by the author's research teams, the mass mind control of the metropolitan UK population can be proved. ELF signals are officially only found at nuclear submarine communication stations, so the researchers were shocked to find microwave and UHF, mind control signals in city centres, the author's flat, being sent through mobile phones, the BT telephones and from the numerous transmitters that dot the country.

The massive increase in mobile phones has enabled the UK security forces to use this network of transmitters to beam mind control signals into the brains of anyone living near these transmitters. Microwave phones use pulse modulated microwaves of the correct intensity to pass through the skull into the brain and control behaviour. Microwave transmitters are therefore the perfect medium for the transmission of ELF signals to mind control the UK population.

Researchers are of the opinion that the inner city riots of the early eighties forced the Thatcher regime to deploy ELF mind control devices developed in the 1970s to turn the working class housing estates into total policing zones. In these zones, ELF transmitters turned the inhabitants into docile zombies. So successful was this technology that it was expanded to cover all major towns. Mass mind control of the UK public to make them submissive and obey authority was expanded, hand-in-hand with the mobile phone network and military and police microwave transmitters. Now the entire London conurbation is covered by UHF and microwave carrying mind numbing ELF.

Research into the use of microwave weapons and their use for mind control began in 1950s at the Tavistock Institute, one of Britain's leading psychiatric research establishments. The UK institute was researching into ways of mind controlling the British population without them knowing. The monkey submission response, whereby the dominant monkey caused submissive behaviour in the underlings, was the brain state of most interest to the British scientists. Having found this specific brain rhythm for docile submissive, zombie-like behaviour, it was then recorded and used as the template for the ELF signal beamed on UK microwave transmitters. Britain was the first discoverer of microwave technology, used for radar, in the 1940s and therefore had a commanding lead over everyone else in this field.

The 1970s brought a darker side to the story, with the news that the Russians were microwaving the US embassy in Moscow. One third of the staff eventually died of cancer from this microwave irradiation. Australian scientists proved in 1997, that tiny amounts of microwave produced by the very safest mobile phones, cause cancer in mice, when exposed to this radiation. Greenham Common was the first time that the Ministry of Defence was involved in the offensive microwaving of women protesters, the so called Greenham Common Women. This event showed that the UK security forces were willing to use lethal doses of microwave radiation on large groups of the general public. Equipment showed that the women peace protesters were subject to high levels of microwave radiation, some of them have subsequently died from cancer. Northern Ireland would have been a perfect proving ground for mass mind control technology. Research at the Tavistock institute enabled the Thatcher government to put into large scale use, the frequency which causes submission in humans. Radiating this ELF frequency on microwave transmitters, cellphones, BT phones and by use of other transmitters, the inner city population can be behaviourally controlled. My research group have ELF detectors, which can prove all manner of UK transmitters are being used to mind control the population. Since ELF is not found naturally, and is only used for nuclear submarine communication, its presence proves mind control weapons are being used on the general public. The author also has access to scientific documents showing the devastating effects of ELF broadcast by microwave, UHF and VHF on humans.

It is alleged that Marconi put this microwave technology into full scale production, and around thirty scientists and military personnel on the project who began to ask questions committed `suicide' under mysterious circumstances.

My research has found that microwave weapons are targeted on middle class troublemakers and researchers who cause problems for the establishment. Russian and American research has found that pulse modulated microwaves (as used for mobile phones) can, when modulated with ELF which mimics specific brain patterns change the behaviour of the victim at the flick of a switch. It has been found that UK security police, such as MI5 use the 450 MHz frequency used for this research (legally allowed to be used by the police) for behavioural control. A vast catalogue of mind control frequencies in the MHz range, FM radio, TV and mobile phone frequencies, have been measured, which are used in the UK for mind control and killing or disabling victims: 147, 153, 197, 199, 447, 453, 456, 466, 853, 883, 884, 887... Symptoms can be depression, befuddled thinking, loss of memory, stress, not being able to cope, manic behaviour, schizophrenia, nervous breakdowns, physical collapse, brain and nervous system damage, heart attacks, cancer...

An example was Brighton police van, parked outside the Brighton Pavilion which was used to beam UHF and microwaves at vagrants to clear them from the area. All Brighton's city centres are bombarded with microwaves when vagrants congregate to make them so ill they have to flee. The Evening Argus newspaper asked the police if the white van which was parked in the Brighton Pavilion grounds for months, was their van, they replied it was one of their 'surveillance' vehicles. On Wednesday, 4th of February the author was passing Brighton Police station with a frequency counter which detects microwave weapons, and I detected a 452 MHz microwave beam being directed at two young offenders sitting on a wall opposite the station. I confronted the police with the reading, Robert Galloway, spokesperson for the police stated, "they were not interested in microwaves even if they were a danger to health." The author has uncovered widespread use of microwave weapons in Brighton by the police and MI5 as a test programme to clear vagrants from the city centre.

Contacting researchers in this field of enquiry, they all complain of microwave-like symptoms, headache, nausea, giddiness, eye damage, ear problems... Readings I have taken show that the 750-1000 MHz range is used by the intelligence services for inducing nervous and physical collapse. Microwave ovens give off 1000 MHz.

On the Channel 4 programme, For the Love of…New World Order, shown on Monday night at 12pm, on April 6th, the author revealed some of these facts on television. The presenter, and researchers of this programme complained of severe headaches in the days preceding filming symptomatic of microwave attack. As the foremost non-military expert microwave weapons, remote viewing (psychic spying) and Psi-warfare, the author became aware of the microwave problem when he was targeted to stop his forthcoming book on remote viewing being released. This book on psychic spying, published by Century Books, is the first book by a scientist on the subject of Psi-warfare and the techniques the superpowers developed.

Subsequent to the filming of the Channel 4 programme, he was arrested by Brighton Police on February I5th outside their building and his frequency counter was confiscated to stop him recording the use of microwave weapons around the police station and in public places around the town. Even though no law was broken. It appears Brighton Police are worried that their use of microwave weapons on Brighton's vagrants is coming to light. The UK government has also bought up all the readily available frequency counters, these being the Watson FC-128 frequency counters, and the Optotronic devices, and the manufacturers now market a 'modified' model, which most probably has a digital filter so that the microwave weapon frequencies given above, cannot be shown. The author's frequency counter has still not been returned. With such high-level manipulation of events it seems that microwave mind control is part of a secret policy which is being practised on the general public in this county. As part of a covert government policy of harassing and disabling critics, this means of attack is not covered by the law and highly deniable, the perfect intelligence device for civilian control. The author's flat is targeted with a 900 MHz beam which seems to be designed to cause massive neurological damage and produce tumours.

The BT phone network has the potential to be used for docilisation of the UK public. A 30-40 MHz signal is carried by the phone. When the earpiece is placed against the head, bone conduction carries the ELF component into the brain of the phone user. A ELF signal which can effect behaviour or health is therefore passed into all BT phone users. It appears from experts I have consulted on the subject that the digital phones have been designed to carry this mind control carrier frequency. Vodaphone have supplied a mobile phone to a friend of mine that pumps out an 847 MHz signal at over 100 mW/cm2, this is equivalent to 4x100 watt lightbulbs being turned on in the body of the user. This means that mobile phones can potentially be used to kill or so disable a person they no longer become a problem to the establishment. Another Vodaphone tested pumped out 50 mW/cm2. UK safe levels for microwave ovens are 5 mW/cm2 - which are not held near the head. There are reports by military researchers that 1 mW/cm2 will cause swelling of nerve cells exposed to microwave.

It is obvious that a total policing of the population by means of UHF, VHF, and microwave EM radiation, amongst others, is being used to keep the UK population in a docile and submissive mental state. Mental confusion can also be added to the signal for working class inner city areas to keep them docile and confused. A land of stultified zombies, who are mind controlled to make them docile and unable to think clearly. Subversives are habitually targeted with microwaves to drive them mad or make them fatally ill

On July 4th 1976 seven giant transmitters in the Ukraine, powered by the Chernobyl nuclear facility, pumped a 100 megawatt radio frequency at the West, which contained a 10 Hz ELF mind control frequency. According to a US scientist, Dr. Andrija Puharich, MD, the soviet pulses covered the human brain frequencies. With a Dr. Bob Beck Andrija proved that the Soviet transmissions were a weapon. He found that a 6.66 Hz frequency would cause depression and an 11 Hz signal would cause manic and riotous behaviour. transmissions could indeed entrain the human brain, and thereby induce behavioural modification populations can be mind controlled en masse by ELF transmissions. More importantly he found that an ELF signal could cause cancer at the flick of a switch. It did this by modifying the function of the RNA transferases so that amino acid sequences are scrambled and produce unnatural proteins.

MIND CONTROL

Torture is alive and well in the UK. MI5, the UK's secret police, regularly use Non-Lethal Weapons on any dissidents. Since MI5 have a well documented history of hating the Labour Party, and were instrumental in bringing down the Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson, they naturally took to spying on, and discrediting, any group or person who did not follow their rabid right wing dogma. When Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister of a right wing Conservative Government in 1979, she soon saw the power in recruiting MI5 to be her own secret police. During the Miner's strike in the early eighties, Arthur Scargill and his National Union of Miners nearly brought the Conservative Government down, with their year long strike. Margaret Thatcher used MI5 to spy on the Miners and to discredit Arthur Scargill. Leading police officers argued against the use of MI5 on the civilian population, they were ignored or replaced - if they proved too vociferous.

Margaret Thatcher was the first Prime Minister for many a year to sit in on the Joint Intelligence Committee's meetings on a regular basis. Thatcher, as a trained scientist, would have been well aware of the usefulness of microwave weapons. They are impossible to detect unless you have a detector, dissidents have no idea these weapons exist, and best of all, they are totally deniable. It may be that MI5 kept this research secret from Margaret Thatcher, but the resources the UK has put into these fearsome, so-called non-lethal weapons, is extensive. UK intelligence runs a fleet of microwave weapon carrying vans, as well as portable microwave weapons that can be deployed near the dissident's home. The vast expense can be disguised as communications equipment, for as we all know, microwave telephone communication is all the rage in our modern world. My research shows that the microwave telephone network also has the potential to be used as a major mind control weapon system to control the behaviour of the microwave phone users.

Developed under the Conservative government, which was in power from 1979-97. The UK secret, or 'black' government, has at its disposal a fearsome array of mind control weapons. These abhorrent devices are euphemistically called 'non-lethal weapons' by the UK military. In fact they kill you slowly by causing: nerve damage, cancers, mental collapse leading to suicides, or tissue failure, such as heart attacks due to the cooking effect of microwaves.

Precisely modulated microwave radiation is used to influence brain function. Human behaviour and reactions can be entirely controlled by using pulse modulated microwave EM radiation. Pulse modulated microwaves are useful as the carrier for the mind control signals as they are able to pass through the skull, which is rather resistant to low level EM. The massive number of microwave antennae that dot the country, some of which are used for the microwave phone network, all use pulse modulated microwaves, which makes their use for a strategic mind control device against the civilian population in times of trouble, or rioting, crucial to modifying the behaviour of the general population. In modern democracies it is no longer viable to shoot rioters, or torture dissidents by normal means, as the bad publicity is self defeating. Thus, microwave weapons have been developed by the UK's military intelligence as they leave no marks, or gaping wounds. This pulse modulated microwave carrier beam can then be used to carry signals. These signals are extremely low frequency recordings of brain electrical potentials, which have been recorded by neuro-medical researchers such as Dr Ross Adey.

Dr Ross Adey's research at the Brain Research Institute of the University of California, was funded by the CIA. In their Pandora project a catalogue of different brain signals for specific actions, emotions and pathological states of mind were recorded. It was found that when microwaves were used to fire these signals at victims' brains, they experienced the moods, behaviour, and the pathological states, carried by the signals. This meant that by mimicking natural brain frequencies, the human brain could be controlled remotely by use of extremely low frequency broadcast carried by pulse modulated microwave beams (ELF pulse modulated microwave remote mind control technology).

It is now possible to broadcast mind control commands directly into the brain by use of microwave beams. All that is needed is a catalogue of every specific brain frequency for each: mood, action and thought. These catalogues of excitation potentials are available from Russian neuro-medical research institutes, so any one with enough cash can have the same technology at their disposal, as UK military mind control groups (the psychological-enforcement arm of MI5). The Aum sect bought microwave weaponry via their 50,000 Russian converts.

Particular excitation potential, is then broadcast by pulse modulated microwave transmitter. This pulse modulated microwave beam has the ELF excitation potential frequency imprinted upon it. It was found that each behavioural set in humans had a distinctive frequency. There was one for: anger, suicide, hysteria, trauma, serial killing, paranoia, lust...etc. Intelligence operatives in the UK regularly park microwave transmitters outside targets' houses and beam specific mood inducing excitation potentials at the victims. To aid them, they have sophisticated millimetre wave scanners to look through the victims' walls, so they can see the targets' in their homes. Pulse modulated microwaves are regularly directed at the victims' brains, while other people in their homes are oblivious of what is going on. A leading conspiracy researcher, who looks into GCHQ at Cheltenham, found one of these vans, with two spheres on its roof parked in his road. When he took the number plate and through contacts checked who owned it, he found it was an MOD van. Hopefully he has found the microwave weapon system before it has done him too much harm.

These microwave weapons were developed allegedly at Marconi. When firing microwave beams through walls at one specific target, every material in the way of the microwave beam attenuates or modifies the intensity and frequency of the beam. Since precise frequencies and intensities are needed for mind control, very sophisticated microwave arrays and computer programmes had to be developed so that the microwave beam could be changed in response to the materials which lay between the target and the weapon, as the victim moved around the house. To do this, the reflectivity and refractivity of the materials between victim and weapon had to be analysed in real-time and fed to a computer which could change the microwave array in concert with the changing environment between victim and weapon, as the target moved around his/her home. Secondly, there had to be an automatic interrupter if another person walked in front of the beam. The victim needed to be driven mad or disabled, without anyone else being aware that he or she was being targeted. The technology for this was very complex but eventually it was perfected. Twenty five or more scientists and military personnel, associated with the Marconi project, then died in mysterious circumstances. Intelligence personnel regularly kill people to keep them quiet. Maybe they killed the entire research team to keep such a diabolical weapon secret. For if it were made public, the scandal would bring down the government. Whatever the real story, by the mid to late eighties, all the problems had been ironed out and these new smart microwave weapons were deployed on the UK s streets. Northern Ireland would have proved the perfect place to test them out. Pulse modulated microwave weapons had now come of age.

By this method, any mood or behavioural set, can be conditioned into the target's brain. Intelligence agents keep a log of the victim's behaviour to see if more intense 'treatment' is needed and as a guide for future mind control projects. It is alleged that by this method, UFO and conspiracy researchers, are routinely driven to commit suicide. having the excitation potential for suicide beamed into your brain day and night by microwave mind control weapons, soon resets the brain into a cycle of depression that spirals out of control ending in suicide. Many intelligence and technical officers in the UK, who have spilled the beans, or could be a potential leak, are driven to commit suicide by the special mind control teams run by MI5. If you look at the long list of UK military and intelligence experts who inexplicably commit suicide, one can see an underlying mind control logic that drives them to kill themselves.

Behavioural reinforcement is used in a synergistic way with the mind control. It was found that the effect of the microwave beams could be greatly enhanced by external reinforcement. Intelligence community personnel destroy the target's property, ruin their financial affairs spread vicious rumour, make sexual peccadilloes public knowledge - such as wearing women's underwear, while checking oneself - with an orange in one's mouth. External reinforcement of pulse modulated microwave mind control technology was found to be very effective. Intelligence chiefs are now in seventh heaven; if some one becomes a problem they get the 'suicide mind control team' parked outside their house. Within weeks, the victim kills himself. This is very pleasing to the intelligence mandarins, as suicides are easy to explain away - even if the victim was a highly placed politician or military man.

If the military intelligence agency does not wish you to commit suicide, they can drive you mad. This is done by beaming the excitation potential of a particular pathological mental state at your brain while you are at home. To aid in this, the intelligence operatives can place sounds and speech in the target victim's brain. This inter cerebral hearing is used to drive the victim mad, as no one else can hear the voices transmitted into the brain of the target. Transmission of auditory data directly into the targets' brains using microwave carrier beams is now common practise. Instead of using excitation potentials, one uses a transducer to modify the spoken word into ELF audiograms, that are then superimposed on the pulse modulated microwave beam.

Discrediting well known people who are causing problems for the shadowy elite, by driving them mad, seems to be standard operating procedure for the intelligence community. Victims are subject to pulse modulated microwaves which carry different types of madness and behavioural aberrations, encoded as ELF excitation potentials. This makes the troublesome high profile person, display manic or insane behaviour that discredits them. Examples of this technique are allegedly: David Icke, Fergie, Princess Diana... Outside environmental reinforcement, by use of media agents in league with MI5, makes it assured that the high profile person's mind controlled madness, will be put in the worst possible light to discredit them. In this way, high profile subversives who cannot be wrongly imprisoned (unlike the Carl Bridgewater prisoners, Birmingham Six, Guilford Four...) in the normal way by Britain's police, or killed by assassination squads, such as the Pegasus group, are made to look ridiculous. Public humiliation is the finest weapon the authorities have, to make harmless, a potential well known figure, who is causing trouble.

If the VIP needs to be made temporarily ill, microwave beams containing the signal the brain gives off during a vicious bout of flu can be fired at the victim. This causes the target to display all the symptoms of flu, even though they have not caught the virus. Major Ed Dames, the remote viewing specialist, who has close links with the US secret military, alluded to this device on a US TV programme.

The intelligence agents can also use low level microwaves to cause mental and physical confusion that leads to illness. Beaming microwaves at victims makes them fatigued, damages their immune system, causes neurological damage that effects their thinking, and ability to carry out tasks, induces premature ageing, cancer and cataracts. Sussex Police regularly use this low level microwave to clear drunks from city centres. While researching this matter, I was subject to high levels of microwave >10mW/cm2 whenever I approached their headquarters, whilst MI5 irradiated my home continually with microwaves. It seems that I touched a raw nerve while researching mind control weapon usage in the UK.

Organisations that irritate the authorities have their building turned into a 'hot spot' by microwave transmitters, so the staff all suffer sick building syndrome caused by microwave damage. Or the staff of the target organisation have their behaviour changed to cause discord. UFO Reality, a leading UFO and conspiracy magazine have complained of mysterious health problems, while another New Age group complained of eye damage, nausea and headaches brought on whenever they had a meeting, which may have been caused by microwaves.

Heating the victim to death, by microwave cooking is caused by increasing the field intensity of the radiation, to cause local hot spots in the victims' eyes and gall bladder, which have poor circulation, so cannot carry away the heat.

Irradiating the optic nerve of the victim with the same signal that is sent to the brain by this nerve, causes the nerve tissue to overload. In this way, subversives can be blinded by the intelligence community without them knowing what has occurred. An American researcher complained of this problem to me and warned me that this weapon system was being used on my person by MI5.

Neurological research has found that the brain has specific frequencies for each voluntary movement called preparatory sets. When you pick up an object, there is a specific preparatory set for this action. By firing at your chest a microwave beam containing the ELF signals given off by the heart, this organ can be put into a chaotic state, the so called heart attack. In this way, high profile leaders of political parties, who are prone to heart attacks, can be killed off -before they cause any trouble. Neil Kinnock's Labour government was allegedly cheated out of an election victory by postal vote rigging in twenty key marginal seats. When a new even more electable Labour leader was found, it is rumoured that John Smith, the then Labour leader, was prompted to have a fatal heart attack, while walking in the country with his family, by means of a concealed microwave device which operated on the Vagus nerve to bring about a massive heart attack. Since MI5 have a long history of naked hatred toward the Labour Party, there may be some truth in the above, though no hard evidence has yet been found.

Paralysis can be induced in the target by use of this method of broadcasting preparatory sets encoded on microwave beams. A pulse modulated microwave beam, carrying an ELF signal, which is identical to the one in the motor neurone centre of the brain, is used to jam the victim's motor co-ordination. This is analogous to radar jamming, using a more powerful signal at the same frequency to swamp out the enemy's radar. Motor neurone preparatory set potentials are jammed by a bigger signal carried by a microwave carrier beam, that literally overloads the brain, so it cannot control the body. Pulse modulated microwave weapons which broadcast the ELF preparatory sets of the motor cortex at the victim, will paralyse the victim without killing them. Breathing and heartbeat are involuntary actions controlled by another set of frequencies in another part of the brain.

This technique can be used to abduct people for secret government mind control experiments, under the guise of alien abduction. A microwave beam of this nature will paralyse the victim, so they can be bundled into a black helicopter and airlifted away for experimentation.

Once the procedure is complete, hypnosis can be used to plant false memories of alien abduction. In this way, real alien abductions can be used by the authorities to enable them to obtain a limitless supply of guinea pigs for their mind control experiments.

Real memories of government involvement are erased electronically. This technique clears all short-term memories from the victim's consciousness by broadcasting microwave beams at the target which carry the signals used for memory retention. When you remember something, it is first stored in your short-term memory. After approximately twelve hours, this short-term memory is converted in the brain to long-term memory, after which you remember this information for the rest of your life. If this conversion from short-term memory to long-term memory does not occur, the data is lost. We all see details around us, but try to recall the decor in a restaurant you ate at some weeks ago and you will see how tenuous memory is. Microwave radiation of a specific frequency can interfere with the transfer of memories from short to long-term memory. Microwave radiation of a specific frequency can interfere with the synapses of the brain. By interfering with the connections between brain cells, memory of people can be disrupted. In this way, Seal special forces assassins can be brain wiped after a mission, so they have no idea of the target they killed. Using hypnosis, false memories can then be planted in the brain, so the gap left by the real memory is papered over.

The latest advance in electronic mind control were discussed in my previous articles in Nexus, but for those who missed the ESP of Espionage, this equipment uses special types of microwave beams called MASERs. These are the laser equivalent of microwave beams. These MASER beams have been used to develop something called synthetic telepathy. This is the ability to read peoples' minds from a distance. Electronic scanning of victims' brains by monitoring the electromagnetic (EM) emissions from peoples' brains and using amongst other things, the brain waves (as measured on an EEG), to read the victim's subvocalised thoughts.

Head of US Special Forces Major-General Schaknow, talked about synthetic telepathy during a lecture in July 1992 at Fort Bragg North Carolina. The US military is hard at work perfecting synthetic telepathy. In synthetic telepathy, the weak electromagnetic signals in the brain associated with subvocalised thought, are connected to a computer by use of electrodes, or in more advanced mechanisms by MASER beams. Sophisticated computer systems have learnt to read the subvocalised thoughts in the brain, by associating a specific brain excitation potential, with a particular word. In this case, only one specific language can be decoded, as each word in a language has a specific set of frequencies that must be discovered. Once the donkey work of finding the specific frequencies for all the words in a language has been programmed into a super computer, which can carry out massive parallel processing, fuzzy logic software is used to match this with real world excitation potential associated with subvocalised thought obtained from thousands of abductees, who are used to calibrate the synthetic telepathy devices. GCHQ Cheltenham, the intelligence gathering arm of MI5, possess the advanced computer systems needed for synthetic telepathy.

Synthetic telepathy detects the l5Hz, 5 milliwatt auditory cortex brain emissions, that are linked with the excitation potentials in the brain associated with subvocalised thought. New technology, involving low frequency microwaves and RF, has enabled devices to be built which can scan through walls and look inside peoples' bodies like X-rays. This enables security personnel to see a target in his own home and to track him throughout the house. Further to this, being able to see inside the victim's head, would allow computer controlled targeting of specific brain centres in the victim's brain, even when he was walking around the house.

A scan of the specific brain emissions given off when the victim subvocalises using an array of pulsed frequency MASERs fired at the specific brain centres of the subversive, while he resides in his own home, enables the victim to be scanned. By firing an array of ELF pulse modulated MASERs, which scan up and down the window of frequency emissions given off by subvocalised thought, interference effects can be measured in the MASER beam. The victim's ELF brain emissions will interact constructively or destructively with the pulsed frequency MASER carrying ELF in the ELF window associated with subvocalised thoughts. If we fire an array of pulsed MASERs, which are out of phase with each other, extraneous noise can be filtered out in the digital domain. Since the converging ELF modulated MASERs are being effected by the low level emissions in the victim's brain, the shifts in the ELF pulsed signal going into the subversive's brain can be detected. A simplistic version of this would be the LASER beam shone at the window of the person that is being bugged. The vibrations in the window cause modulations in the LASER that can be converted into electrical signals and hence into sound. In this way the subvocalised thoughts in the victim's brain can be read. Having already built up a library of excitation potential signatures for differing words and groupings of words, a sophisticated computer can begin to decode the emission signatures into word streams. In this way the subvocalised thoughts of the victim can be stored in the memory of a supercomputer and analysed to give a read out of what the target is thinking..

Using ELF audiograms carried by a single pulse-modulated Maser, subvocalised thoughts can be placed in the victim's brain. This enables UK synthetic telepathy operators the ability to enter into conversations with the subversive to drive him mad or to bring up key words which will get the victim thinking about the information they wish to find. Visual cortex excitation potentials can also be broadcast into the victim's brain so that illusory images can be projected into their brain to drive them mad, or to programme them to commit suicide.

My research has led me to uncover a truly nation-wide mind control weapon system. Each UK police station is equipped with a vast array of microwave antennae. The Sussex Police headquarters has a two hundred foot antenna. The building is surrounded by a fence and is off limits to the public. This microwave complex sits in the middle of a council housing estate, which means the people in this area are being bathed in low level microwaves. New research has shown that low level microwaves give mice cancer, since the emitters tested by the scientists, were the new ultra safe mobile phones which give of much smaller intensities than the police antennae, the Police microwave system is a serious health hazard. It seems that low level microwave radiation excites the hydrogen bonds in the cell and can interfere with meiosis. This causes cell division to go wrong, which leads to cancerous cells and hence tumours.

Secondly, the police have been granted the exclusive use of the 450 MHz microwave frequency range. This is exactly the frequency used by Dr Ross Adey, the CIA mind control expert, in his experiments on behavioural modification. It seems the police have the exclusive use of this mind control frequency and a vast array of antennae to broadcast this frequency all over the country. Very useful for mass mind control in times of emergency. Adey found that by using 0.75mW/cm2 intensity of pulse modulated microwave at a frequency of 450 MHz, it was discovered that an ELF modulation could be used to control all aspects of human behaviour. The Sussex police headquarters is connected to CCTV, closed circuit television cameras throughout the town. Some of these cameras have microwave telemetry devices that could easily be used to broadcast this frequency. The large antennae that bracket the town could also be used.

The most insidious aspect of this, is that the entire mobile phone network could easily be used to control the behaviour of the phone users. By use of my microwave detector, I have found that mobile phones of the newer type, give off a pulse modulated microwave signal of around 0.75mW/cm2 at the earpiece. This may be coincidence, but it is exactly the intensity required form behavioural control as found by Dr Ross Adey, the pioneer of microwave mind control. So in theory, an ELF signal could be added to the microwave network to feed a precise behavioural pattern into every mobile phone user in the UK. If their were widespread riots, the ability to broadcast behavioural stimuli to mollify all the mobile phone users in the country would prove useful. Since mobile phone users are generally middle class, it means authority has a useful method of controlling the behaviour of the key voters. Microwave carrier beams are perfect for transmitting the excitation potential of docility to the phone user to keep them servile in times of trouble. When no ELF signal is broadcast the phone acts in a completely different manner on behaviour in humans. In this case the microwave phones causes the neurones to release calcium ions which makes the user tired irritable and when stresses likely to emotional outbursts such as road rage.

In Brighton, the local MI5 headquarters has a large microwave array on its roof. Secret bunkers in the area also have large microwave arrays above them. It is child's play to transmit an ELF modulated signal to be broadcast by the entire mobile phone network - if need be. By this means the entire mobile phone users can be behaviourally modified. At the cost of developing cancer from low level microwave exposure from the phones they constantly use, stressing the neural network by constant calcium ion efflux and interference with bioelectric fields.

It seems strange that a few milliCuries of ionising radiation will get the National Radiological Protection Board excited, whilst high intensity cancer inducing non ionising microwave radiation, goes unchecked. So high are levels near transmitters, that litter the countryside, that light bulbs will explode near them. If the intelligence community is using microwaves on a large scale as mass mind control weapons, then the NRPB's silence is easily explainable. To add to this, the numerous microwave detectors that were cheaply available to check leakage from microwave ovens are no longer made by any company in the country. It seems the UK authorities do not want the population to be able to detect when they are being microwave.

In conclusion, it can be seen that the UK intelligence and police, have a dizzy array of high-tech mind control devices. They regularly target their own populations and thousands of people are made ill by microwave weapons. With the advent of synthetic telepathy, 'CCTV of the mind' becomes a reality.

With the election of a New Labour government unaware of microwave weapons and untainted, as they had no part in their development and deployment, it is certain that Tony Blair's government will outlaw these abhorrent microwave weapons - as they have done land mines. The only problem will be convincing the Labour government that MI5's microwave communication equipment is in fact microwave mind control weaponry. With the total secrecy the MI5 organisation operates under, one can be sure they will be mendacious as to how their £200 million pound budget is used to hone their leading edge microwave mind control torture weapons that are used on the public. Even more disturbing is the use of EMP and microwave weapons by the police on anyone researching into this area.

REFERENCES ELECTRONIC MlND CONTROL

[1] Non-Lethality: John B Alexander, the Pentagon's Penguin, by Armen Victorian, Lobster June 1993. This is an excellent article on the US black government's 'hard-man' of the mind control world -recommended for those who really would like to know how these people think and work.
UFO Reality No 1-3, Jon King, Mind Control.
Mind Control and UFO's, by Alex Constantine, Feb 1996.

[2] UFO Reality No 4.

[3] Enigma Vol 2, It's All In The Mind, T Rifat.

[4] Ross W Adey: Neurophysiologic Effects of Radiofrequency and Microwave Radiation, Bulletin of the New York Academy of Medicine, Vo1.55 No 1 1, Dec 1979; The Influences of Impressed Electrical Fields at EEG Frequencies on Brain and Behaviour, in Behaviour and Brain Electrical Activity, Burch, N and Altshuler, H.I., eds, Plenum press, 1975; Effects of Modulated Very High Frequency Fields on Specific Brain Rhythms in Cats, Brain Research, Vol 58, 1973; Spectral Analysis of Low Frequency Components in the Electrical Activity of the Hippocampus During Learning, Electroencephalography and Clinical Neurophysiology, Vol 23, 1967.

Dr Ross Adey, formally of the Brain Research centre at the University of Southern California, Los Angeles, now at Loma Linda University Medical School, Loma Linda, California. He worked on the CIA Pandora Project and was concerned with inducing specific behaviour modification by electromagnetic means as well as induction of calcium efflux events to interfere with brain function - the so called 'confusion weaponry'.
C.S. Blackman is a researcher who worked in the US on theoretical research that underlies the electronic RMCT devices now deployed world-wide.
Electronics World and Wireless World: The healing face of electromagnetic fields; 1993.

[5]. Martin Cannon, The Controllers.

[6]. Secret and Suppressed, Jim Keith.

[7]. Psychic Dictatorship in the USA, Alex Constantine.

[8]. Encounters, Vol 7, Psi Spies, Marie-Louise Small. Cosmic Top Secret: America's Secret UFO Program,1992 William Hamilton III.

[9] Encounters, Vol 10, Room with a Remote View, by Richard Forsyth. This is an article about the author. http://www.fastnet.co.uk/pms ; Paranormal Management Systems' web site. For an information pack on RV/RI, send £3 plus a SAE to PMS, PO Box 2749, Brighton, BN2 2DR, UK. Correspondence and normal courses are available, phone 01273 690424 to book for courses. We also offer consultancy on mind control problems.

Nexus Vol 3 No 6, Remote Viewing: The ESP of Espionage, by T Rifat. Nexus Vol 4 No 1 The Esp of Espionage, Part 1, by T Rifat.

Nexus Vol 4 No 2, The Esp of Espionage, by T Rifat. These three articles cover the theory of RV, RI and ESP in very great detail. recommended for the serious RV/RI student. For more information contact the author.

Alien Encounters No 1 1 Alien and Government Mind control, T Rifat. Sightings Nol2, Losing Your Mind! Mind control Technology, by T Rifat. UFO Reality No 8, Mind Control, Big Brother Is All In The Mind, T Rifat. Enigma 6, Mind Control, by T Rifat.

Fortean Times 95, Police State of Mind, by David Guyatt. US Synthetic Telepathy info supplied by David Guyatt.

Guyatt, David. "Some Aspects of Antipersonnel Electromagnetic Weapons (paper prepared for ICRC Symposium for the medical profession.
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26-02-2010, 12:37 AM
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psychick
26-02-2010, 12:41 AM
MJ was supposedly murdered too.


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hunkahunka
28-02-2010, 04:07 AM
video:

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The best parts of "exposing the illuminati from whithin" Set to the music of PhRieQ. This guy has a lot of the documentation to back up his side of the story

turquoisefire777
28-02-2010, 09:46 PM
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hunkahunka
02-03-2010, 01:29 AM
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John DeCamp - Update Interview on Franklin Cover-up


John DeCamp - Update Interview on Franklin Cover-up - YouTube

From Senator John Decamp:

" In mid-1993, after The Franklin Cover-Up had been circulating for almost a year, the British-based TV station, Yorkshire Television, sent a top-notch team to Nebraska to launch its own investigation of the Franklin case. Yorkshire had a contract with the Discovery Channel to produce a documentary on the case for American television. Finally, the big day came. Their documentary was to air nation-wide on the Discovery Channel on May 3, 1994. It was advertised in the TV Guide and in newspapers for that day. But no one ever saw that program. At the last minute, and without explanation, it was pulled from the air. It was not shown then, and has never been broadcast anywhere since. I have a copy of that program, which arrived anonymously in my mail in late 1995. When I watched this pirated copy, I could see clearly why the program had been suppressed. Conspiracy of Silence proved, beyond doubt, that the essential points I had stressed in the book (and more) were all true."

emerald
02-03-2010, 11:21 AM
On MARIE DESMOND's kid again:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1254768/Marie-Osmondss-son-Michael-Blosil-dead-Is-family-curse.html

hunkahunka
02-03-2010, 12:00 PM
listen to this Jim Morrison-ish effort by John Lennon from 1971:


video:

Do the Oz

1971 track by Lennon which was a B-side to "God Save Oz" a charity single released to support an undergound movement magazine based in London called Oz. Note Yoko's screaming backing vocals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSq5L0w-C5w

Rights owned by Yoko Ono Lennon + EMI Records ltd....



John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band


As recorded by the elastic oz band

Do the oz,
Do the oz,
Do the oz, babe,
Do the oz,
Do the oz,
Do the oz, babe,
Do the oz,
Do the oz, babe.

Put your left hand in,
Your right hand out.
Do the oz, babe,
Dance all about.

Do the oz,
Do the oz, babe,
Do the oz,
Do the oz, babe,
Do the oz,
Do the oz, babe.

Pull your right leg up,
Your left leg down.
Do the oz, babe,
Get it all around.

Do the oz,
Do the oz,
Do it, do it do the oz,
Do the oz,
Do the oz,
Do the oz,
Do it, do it, do it,
Do it, do it,
Do the oz.

Pull your left wing in,
And put your right wing out.
Do the oz, baby,
Spread it all about, ow!

Do the oz.

Uh, uh.

D'do - d'do - d'do - d'do - d'do - d'do - d'do - d'do - d'do - d'do,
D'do - d'do - d'do - d'do - d'do - d'do - d'do - d'do - d'do - d'do,
D'do - d'do - d'do - d'do - d'do - d'do
Now, now, now, now, now, now, now,
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it,
Do it, do it, do it.

Well, do the oz,
Yeah, do the oz,
Yeah, do the oz, oz, baby,
Well, do the oz, oz, baby,
Well, do the oz, oz, baby,
Well, do the oz, now, baby,

Do it!!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

http://www.jpgr.co.uk/col_apple36_d.jpg

http://62.15.226.148/fot/2008/02/20/7551731.jpg

The trial brought the magazine to the attention of the wider public. John Lennon and Yoko Ono joined the protest march against the prosecution and organized the recording of "God Save Us" by the ad hoc group Elastic Oz Band to raise funds and gain publicity. Lennon explained how the song title changed from "God Save Oz" to "God Save Us":[3]

First of all we wrote it as ‘God Save Oz,’ you know, ‘God save Oz from it all,’ but then we decided they wouldn’t really know what we were talking about in America so we changed it back to “Us.”

Oz was one of several 'underground' publications targeted by the Obscene Publications Squad, and their offices had already been raided on several occasions, but the conjunction of schoolchildren and what some viewed as "obscene" material set the scene for the infamous Oz obscenity trial of 1971.

UK obscenity trials


http://www.coffeebreakradio.com/images/Oz_MagSchoolKidsIssue1970.jpg
Oz number 28: the Schoolkids Issue

In 1970, reacting to criticism that Oz had lost touch with youth, the editors put a notice in the magazine inviting "school kids" to edit an issue. The opportunity was taken up by around 20 secondary school students (including Charles Shaar Murray and Deyan Sudjic), who were let loose on Oz #28 (May 1970), known as "Schoolkids OZ". This term was widely misunderstood[citation needed] to mean that it was intended for school children, whereas it was a statement that it had been created by them.

One of the resulting articles was a highly sexualised Rupert Bear parody. It was created by 15-year-old schoolboy Vivian Berger by pasting the head of Rupert onto the lead character of an X-rated satirical cartoon by Robert Crumb.
http://www.radiogeronimo.co.uk/rupertbare1.JPG

http://www.radiogeronimo.co.uk/rupertbare4.JPG



http://www.wussu.com/zines/ozimages/oz27covt.jpg

http://www.wussu.com/zines/ozimages/oz25cov.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DfnfWl8on4I/RoXb_DyJ_oI/AAAAAAAAAP0/YxEwsIVLe_s/s320/oz18.jpg

http://arts.photos.fluctuat.net/images/dossiers/a/r/arts/Walt-Disney-revisite/IM-1691-OZ-Magazine-1969.jpg

hunkahunka
02-03-2010, 01:15 PM
a lot of Alice in Wonderland / SRA trauma imagery in this video:

video:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

hunkahunka
02-03-2010, 08:22 PM
listen to this Jim Morrison-ish effort by John Lennon from 1971:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSq5L0w-C5w


it gets eerie to listen to the above song while reading this about John Lennon's murderer, Mark David Chapman:

Following the murder, Chapman underwent dozens of assessments by different psychiatrists. He described his anger toward his father, who he said used to hit his mother. He spoke of his identification with Holden Caulfield and with Dorothy of The Wizard of Oz, and his conferences with the "Little People," an imaginary set of people with whom he interacted and from whom he took guidance. He also provided a list of other celebrities he had thought about killing. Chapman later told journalist Jack Jones that he had told his "Little People" he intended to go to New York and kill Lennon and they begged him not to, saying "Please, think of your wife. Please, Mr. President. Think of your mother. Think of yourself." Chapman says he told them his mind was made up, and that their reaction was silence.[11]

hunkahunka
04-03-2010, 09:30 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1a/Aoxomoxoa.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aoxomoxoa
Aoxomoxoa
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A 5 year-old Courtney Love appears on the album's back cover.[8][9]


SNOPES.COM

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=25777
Comment: I spoke with GRATEFUL DEAD historian DAVID GANS, and was able to confirm the old rumor that COURTNEY LOVE does in fact appear on the back cover of the 1969 GRATEFUL DEAD album cover, AOXOMOXOA. She was 5 years old in the picture. DAVID GANS said: "COURTNEY LOVE did in fact appear on the back cover of AOXOMOXOA as a child. Her father was HANK HARRISON, one of the band's managers in the early days of the GRATEFUL DEAD."


St. James Encyclopedia of Pop Culture
Born into a hippie family with minor connections to the Grateful Dead, Love's first mass media exposure occurred when she was five years old, appearing in a group photo on the back of the Grateful Dead's 1969 Aoxomoxoa album

nikki_miaow
05-03-2010, 02:37 PM
Wikipedia - always so accurate!

I'm looking through Hank Harrison's "Beyond Nirvana" book to find where he writes that Courtney Love is NOT the girl on the back of the album cover. He's her father. He should know. Maybe you'd like me to pass on his contact details so you can ask him for yourself?

I will edit this when I find the reference in the book.


(Until then:
Despite the jabs at her dad, Courtney has been known to flaunt her Grateful Dead credentials The Playboy article reported that Lesh is her godfather (true), and she has often stated that she is pictured on the back of the Dead's Aoxomoxoa album (false) and attended Woodstock when she was five (also false).
http://www.justiceforkurt.com/coverage/magazines/high_times.shtml)

hunkahunka
05-03-2010, 03:19 PM
I guess it comes down to Hank Harrison's word against Grateful Dead historian David Gan's word,
and presumably the word of the Grateful Dead themselves, who would not allow Gans to get
it wrong.

I think it quite likely that Courtney is one of the little girls in the picture.
Her father's own words place her right at the scene, right place , right time:


she was conceived on a date rape, and was given LSD and beaten by her father. "I don't want this man near me ever," she (Courtney Love) told the San Francisco Chronicle last May. Harrison--who went to the College of San Mateo with Phil Lesh before Lesh co-founded the Grateful Dead, managed the group when they were known as the Warlocks and has written two books about his experiences with the band (The Dead Book and The Dead. "Phil changed her diapers!" Harrison responds, incredulous to Courtney's barbs. "Jerry's first baby, Heather, and Courtney used to play together. It hurts me so much that she doesn't realize how lucky she was to be one of the chosen children of that scene."

From the above I would surmise that Heather Garcia and Courtney Love are possibly two of the little kids on the back of the album. Harrison is possibly denying this to distance himself from the allegations of child abuse that Courtney has floated.

http://www.univie.ac.at/Anglistik/easyrider/data/graphics/aoxomoxoa2.jpg

nikki_miaow
05-03-2010, 11:33 PM
Well, if that's your reality then there's no point me going to the trouble of typing out the relevant passage and others which prove there was no date rape, feeding of LSD to a child, or beatings (the words of Harrison's ex-wife herself).

I suggest that you start to rely less on Google Search for most of your "research", and read actual books, or speak to the actual people involved. I particularly advise against wikipedia ;) and if you really are interested in the Cobain death (not sure what this thread is actually supposed to be), it would be worth your while to read the book I mentioned. (Now retitled "Love Kills: the Assassination of Kurt Cobain" - Hank Harrison, Arkives Press).

hunkahunka
06-03-2010, 12:59 AM
You are changing the subject. The original question was whether or not Courtney was on the record when she was five.
I take a lot more into account than one book.
The reason that I am inclined to believe David Gan, the Grateful Dead,
and even Courtney Love in this case (the question of whether or not she
was on the album as a child) is because the circumstantial evidence and numbers of people outweigh Hank Harrison's insistence that she was not on the back of the record.

Whether Courtney was involved in 'adult' activities as a child is another subject entirely. For example, I am willing to consider that it may be true that she was given LSD, beaten, etc, because I am also considering what is publicly known about the activities of the Merry Pranksters & the Grateful Dead during the CIA's 'Operation Chaos', plus what is being revealed about the CIA's involvement in the occult, and mk ultra programming.

Whether it was Hank Harrison who did this , and not someone else, is another question to consider. If Courtney had been undergoing some sort of occult programming from infancy, then Harrison might not have even been the perpetrator, so yes, it could be that Love has some of the details from babyhood wrong. Maybe Harrison is telling the truth about that .But it is entirely plausible that the things that she describes having done to her were actually done to her , given the environment that she was raised in.
I have to wonder though, if Harrison is willing to lie about Courtney Love being on the album cover, then what else is he willing to lie about?

supertzar
06-03-2010, 05:33 AM
Obviously something really bad happened to Courtney Love when she was little - probably over and over. That is what I see in her.

venomous
07-03-2010, 10:02 PM
The CIA didn't kill Cobain, Courtney did. That's why the suicide letter is in her handwriting.

However they did conspire to kill JFK, RFK, MLK Jr. & Reagan though.

hunkahunka
08-03-2010, 01:23 AM
time for a quick post to keep everyone who reads this thread interested,
for peoople who are eager to find something new posted here, and I am running out of time to finish researching anything.
I'll post what I have so far:

I couldn't get the feeling out of my mind that there must be some connection between the alleged methodist kKK cannibal D.C. Stephenson, who allegedly chewed and raped Madge Oberholtzer until she died later of her infected injuries in 1925, and methodist-raised Ted Bundy, who allegedly chewed his victims.

I began by looking for other similarities between the two cases.
The first , the prospect that both men had been framed in some way:

I have found books and articles speculating or claiming that both of these men may have been framed.
In the case of D.C. Stephenson, it is alleged that he was framed by a fellow KKK man by the name of Hiram Evans, in a 1940 book by Robert Butler.

http://www.kkklan.com/merchandise2.htm
8. So They Framed Stephenson by Robert Butler. 1940. 152 pages. This book attempts to prove D.C. Stephenson innocent and the victim of a frame up by Hiram Evans. $10.00

In the case of Ted Bundy, I found this People Magazine article speculating that Ted Bundy may have been framed due to the sheer unlikelihood of someone like him actually doing these things:


The Enigma of Ted Bundy: Did He Kill 18 Women? Or Has He Been Framed?
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20075542,00.html

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/Graham-Stephenson_Mansion%3B_Irvington%2C_Indiana.jpg
Stephenson Mansion, University Street, Indianapolis, Indiana

Then from there I looked into other similarities , and found that both crimes
have a possible connection to the oldest women's Greek lettered societies/fraternities in America. D.C. Stephenson in 1923 bought and lived in a house near Butler University in Irvington,Indianapolis, that was immediately prior to that a sorority house for Kappa Kappa Gamma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, the second oldest Greek-lettered fraternity for women in America.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/KKG_SigmaDeltaPin_icon.png
Kappa Kappa Gamma member pin

http://www.kappasmu.org/images/Kappa_Header.jpg

Next I found that Bundy has allegedly been connected with the murder of
a member of Kappa Alpha Theta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the first female fraternity/sorority ever established in America.

http://www.jennlisak.com/images/images_products_aa1029kkg.jpg

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:-fznLTGdsLie9M:http://www.2preppygirls.com/images/Kappa%2520Alpha%2520Theta%2520LG.jpg

http://www.unl.edu/theta/assets/images/directory/picture-new-members-01.jpg
Kappa Alpha Theta

http://chapters.kappakappagamma.org/gammagamma/media/2011%20class%20row.jpg
Kappa Kappa Gamma

So yes, this may seem incomplete and convoluted , but regular readers
of this thread might find it intriguing enough to help me dig a little,
or enough to jog a memory or insight into place to help flesh this out a
bit: namely, what connections are there between Ted Bundy, DC Stephenson,
Mtehodists, rape cannibalism, frameups, gamma gamma gams, gamsels in distress, knights, the fleur de lis, etc.

quote:

Ted Bundy was active in a local Methodist church, even serving as vice-president of the Methodist Youth Fellowship. He was also involved with a local troop of the Boy Scouts of America.
http://www.paragoninnovations.com/ng4/images/BSA1.jpg
http://www.gbgm-umc.org/souleschapel/images/tools_library_umyf_cjpg_200X200.jpg


f

hunkahunka
08-03-2010, 01:25 AM
finally this image that almost ties 'grand dragon' DC Stephenson to the
fleur de lis in some strange way.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/lcr/fsca/img/09800.jpg
The Wyvern

(Saxon, Wivere, a serpent) said to represent a flying serpent, an imaginary creature resembling the dragon, but having only two legs, which are like an
eagle's, and a serpent-like tail, barbed, sometimes represented nowed after the manner of serpents. It is erroneously termed a dragon by some writers, though perhaps they may both be classed together.

http://fineartamerica.com/images-medium/renaissance-dragon-katy-betz.jpg

supertzar
08-03-2010, 02:03 AM
time for a quick post to keep everyone who reads this thread interested,
for peoople who are eager to find something new posted here, and I am running out of time to finish researching anything.

So yes, this may seem incomplete and convoluted , but regular readers
of this thread might find it intriguing enough to help me dig a little,
or enough to jog a memory or insight into place to help flesh this out a
bit: namely, what connections are there between Ted Bundy, DC Stephenson,
Mtehodists, rape cannibalism, frameups, gamma gamma gams, gamsels in distress, knights, the fleur de lis, etc.



Why don't you just leave Kurdt Cobain out of your thread? To me it seems like you are exploiting his name. Secret societies, ritual abuse, serial killers - those are important things to talk about, but to tie that kind of thing into Kurdt's life and death with the flimsiest evidence kind of sucks.

hunkahunka
08-03-2010, 02:41 AM
nah, it's sorta neato

ethan_allen
08-03-2010, 07:36 AM
Kurt Cobain...

Ok, so a dirty hippy with tummy problems turns his brain into scrambled eggs with the business end of a 12 gauge pump, and somehow his death was caused by greedy record executives who were secretly working for the CIA.

My take on that. Two words: Dave... Grohl. Think about it. The Foo Fighters would have never been had not Cobain went all abstract art with skull fragments and brain matter.

Dave is the source of Cobain's death. Courtney was just a red herring. I've got the 'quote' documents to prove it. It's all been declassified. Google it. :cool:

hunkahunka
08-03-2010, 02:18 PM
video: Family Guy : Gay tin man

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

video:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

hunkahunka
08-03-2010, 03:17 PM
http://celticrebel.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/dbfbushbundy.jpg?w=480
Ted Bundy, left. George W. Bush, right.

hunkahunka
08-03-2010, 04:35 PM
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/object3/522/72/n34922499225_9442.jpg
note the owl symbol prominent in Kappa Kappa Gamma insignias/emblems

http://orgs.l3.drake.edu/kkg/ALL%20Images/ALL%20IMAGES/Symbols500.jpg

http://www.umich.edu/~umkkg/Graphics/Symbols/Owl.gif
the three Greek letters, kappa kappa gamma, are spelled as KKr

http://deltakappa.tripod.com/images/TriKap2.jpg
Delta Kappa fraternity logo

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/23/Kappa_Seal.png

http://www.kx7krappers.com/images/kx7shieldForWeb.gif
kappa chi logo

http://www.sbsig.com/images/sbsig/sigma-chi-crest.jpg
sigma chi crest

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/13/BetaKappaPhiCrest.jpg
beta kappa phi crest

turquoisefire777
08-03-2010, 06:08 PM
The Offspring - Intermission (Live Wembley 01)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFJ05Bl5xvI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFJ05Bl5xvI


lol,

great song...;)

Didgeridon't~Gene Burnett - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao_UK6E8nJc

hunkahunka
08-03-2010, 06:10 PM
http://www.celebrities.pl/courtney_love/courtney1.jpg

More rambling , mind-boggling facts to sort through, and not
enough time or manpower available to make any sense of it:

William Burroughs was a regular at Max's Kansas City, a venue known as a destination
for drug mules and cross-dressing 'punk rockers'.

Sid Vicious played Max's Kansas City in 1978.

Courtney Love auditioned for the part of Nancy, in the 1986 film 'Sid and Nancy'. (about the lives of Sex Pistols bassist Sid Vicious and his girlfriend Nancy Spungen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

Courtney Love has been in at least three biographical films featuring dead wives/girlfriends:

1. She auditioned for the part of Nancy in the 1986 film 'Sid and Nancy' ( she was turned down
for the role, and instead played the part of Nancy's junkie friend Gretchen).
Sid Vicious was charged with homicide in the stabbing death of his girlfriend Nancy Spungen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. She played the role of Hustler mogul Larry Flynt's wife , Althea Flynt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, who died in the house while Larry Flynt was there,
in the film 'The People vs. Larry Flynt'.

3. She played the role of William Burroughs murdered wife Joan Vollmer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Burroughs in the yr.2000 movie 'Beat', a film on the life of William Burroughs, who was in real life charged with the murder of his wife.

Both Sid Vicious and William Burroughs were charged for the murders of their spouses. Larry Flynt was never charged.

Courtney Love declined an offer to appear in Gus Van Sant's biographical
film 'Last Days' , about the last days in the life of Kurt Cobain.


http://misssskind.no.sapo.pt/dbimg/SidVicious-LiveatMaxsKa22502_f.jpg

http://www.maxskansascity.com/maxs/images/slideshow3/FrontRoom_04.jpg
William Burroughs in the 'front room' at Max's Kansas City



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/01/23/article-1127035-001070B700000258-246_468x507.jpg


On the morning of 12 October 1978, Vicious claimed to have awoken from a drugged stupor to find Nancy Spungen dead on the bathroom floor of their room in the Chelsea Hotel in Manhattan, New York. She had suffered a single stab wound to her abdomen and appeared to have bled to death. The knife used had been bought by Sid on 42nd Street and was identical to a collector's knife given to punk rock vocalist Stiv Bators, of the Dead Boys, by Dee Dee Ramone. According to Dee Dee's wife at the time,[18] Vera King Ramone, Sid had bought the knife after seeing Stiv's.

Sid was arrested and charged with her murder. He said they had fought that night but gave conflicting versions of what happened next, saying "I stabbed her, but I didn't mean to kill her. I loved her, but she treated me like shit", then saying he didn't remember and at one point arguing Spungen had fallen onto the knife. When asked why he left the deceased in the bathroom, wounded, and went out to get his methadone, he said "because I'm a dirty dog", or words to that effect.[citation needed]

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp27/meatbyproduct/1a.jpg

The bail of $50,000 was originally set but after some court hearings and work from his lawyer, it was dropped to $25,000. Malcolm McLaren fought and the bail was eventually covered by his record company.

On 22 October, ten days after Spungen's death, Vicious attempted suicide by slicing his wrist and subsequently became a patient at Bellevue Hospital. He was charged with assault after an altercation with Todd Smith (singer Patti Smith's brother). Vicious was arrested 9 December 1978 and sent to Riker's Island jail for 55 days. He was released on bail on 1 February 1979.

http://www.theviciousfiles.co.uk/site.jpg/seane%20of%20crime1.jpg
[edit] Death

On the evening of 1 February 1979, a small gathering to celebrate his having made bail was held at the home of his new girlfriend, Michele Robison, with whom he'd started living the day he got out of Bellevue Hospital the previous October. Vicious was clean, having been detoxed from heroin during his time at Riker's Island. However, at the dinner gathering, his mother had some heroin delivered, against the wishes of his girlfriend. The person who delivered it, Peter Kodick, came and stayed for a while. Sid overdosed later that night. Everyone who was there that night worked together to get Sid up and walking around in order to revive him.[20] Much later that night, the couple fell asleep together. Vicious was discovered dead late the next morning. An autopsy confirmed that Vicious died from an accumulation of fluid in the lungs that was consistent with heroin overdose. A syringe, spoon, and heroin residue were discovered near the body. It was theorized that Vicious had taken too much of the nearly 100% pure heroin to shoot up the third dose himself. After his recent overdose, he should have been unconscious all night.

nikki_miaow
08-03-2010, 06:49 PM
nah, it's sorta neato

What an idiot. Hey ho.

wyndham
08-03-2010, 07:09 PM
http://www.maxskansascity.com/maxs/images/slideshow3/FrontRoom_04.jpg[/IMG]
William Burroughs in the 'front room' at Max's Kansas City




We must remember that William Burroughs is from the original computer dynasty, before Xerox, IBM and Bill Gates. His family was worth millions. He went to an elite military training school later used as the site for the Manhattan Project. He was literally 'borne' into this.

wyndham
08-03-2010, 07:12 PM
" have found books and articles speculating or claiming that both of these men may have been framed."


I find it hard to believe as mere coincidence that Anne Rule, the establishment's true crime propagator and multi-million dollar best selling author, and Ted Bundy knew each other prior to and during his murder spree, that they worked together at a 911 call center even.


Read Michael Hoffman's Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare for more on the media's 'cereal' killers.

hunkahunka
08-03-2010, 07:14 PM
more bizarre facts:

Paul Anka wrote the lyrics to the song 'My Way' popularized by Frank Sinatra on his 1969 album 'My Way'.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f6/The_Manchurian_Candidate_1962_movie.jpg/215px-The_Manchurian_Candidate_1962_movie.jpg

Frank Sinatra starred in the 1962 film 'The Manchurian Candidate', bought the rights to the film and shelved it, and married Mia Farrow, who played Rosemary in Rosemary's Baby.

Sid Vicious covered the song 'My Way':

video:
The Sex Pistols - My Way - YouTube




Paul Anka covered Smells Like Teen Spirit:

video:

Paul Anka Smells Like Teen Spirit - YouTube

wyndham
08-03-2010, 07:18 PM
"Frank Sinatra starred in the 1962 film 'The Manchurian Candidate', bought the rights to the film and shelved it, and marred Mia Farrow, who played Rosemary in Rosemary's Baby."

Mia Farrow who went on to marry child molester Woody Allen. Rosemary' Baby filmed by Polanski accussed of child molestation and recently hounded out of France. They protect each other, cover-up each other's crimes in exchange for worldly success. Crime in this sense is a real form of currency if done in the proper market and channel. Wink wink, nod nod. Maybe Polanski was coming clean or was cleaner than we think.

meek
08-03-2010, 08:10 PM
"Frank Sinatra starred in the 1962 film 'The Manchurian Candidate', bought the rights to the film and shelved it, and marred Mia Farrow, who played Rosemary in Rosemary's Baby."

Mia Farrow who went on to marry child molester Woody Allen. Rosemary' Baby filmed by Polanski accussed of child molestation and recently hounded out of France. They protect each other, cover-up each other's crimes in exchange for worldly success. Crime in this sense is a real form of currency if done in the proper market and channel. Wink wink, nod nod. Maybe Polanski was coming clean or was cleaner than we think.

I'd say based on Polanski's recently released "Ghost Writer" about a writer requisitioned to complete a previously started memoir of a British Prime Minister. Wrapped into this seemingly boring story is a somewhat revealing expose of the way the world works in the upper echelon of the movers and shakers. When you understand what you are watching the movie becomes mush deeper and revealing.

Just my 2 cents.

dezkillaz
09-03-2010, 02:57 PM
http://www.celebrities.pl/courtney_love/courtney1.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/01/23/article-1127035-001070B700000258-246_468x507.jpg

On the morning of 12 October 1978, Vicious claimed to have awoken from a drugged stupor to find Nancy Spungen dead on the bathroom floor of their room in the Chelsea Hotel in Manhattan, New York. She had suffered a single stab wound to her abdomen and appeared to have bled to death. The knife used had been bought by Sid on 42nd Street and was identical to a collector's knife given to punk rock vocalist Stiv Bators, of the Dead Boys, by Dee Dee Ramone. According to Dee Dee's wife at the time,[18] Vera King Ramone, Sid had bought the knife after seeing Stiv's.

Sid was arrested and charged with her murder. He said they had fought that night but gave conflicting versions of what happened next, saying &quot;I stabbed her, but I didn't mean to kill her. I loved her, but she treated me like shit&quot;, then saying he didn't remember and at one point arguing Spungen had fallen onto the knife. When asked why he left the deceased in the bathroom, wounded, and went out to get his methadone, he said &quot;because I'm a dirty dog&quot;, or words to that effect.[citation needed]<br />

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp27/meatbyproduct/1a.jpg

The bail of $50,000 was originally set but after some court hearings and work from his lawyer, it was dropped to $25,000. Malcolm McLaren fought and the bail was eventually covered by his record company.

On 22 October, ten days after Spungen's death, Vicious attempted suicide by slicing his wrist and subsequently became a patient at Bellevue Hospital. He was charged with assault after an altercation with Todd Smith (singer Patti Smith's brother). Vicious was arrested 9 December 1978 and sent to Riker's Island jail for 55 days. He was released on bail on 1 February 1979.

http://www.theviciousfiles.co.uk/site.jpg/seane%20of%20crime1.jpg

Death

On the evening of 1 February 1979, a small gathering to celebrate his having made bail was held at the home of his new girlfriend, Michele Robison, with whom he'd started living the day he got out of Bellevue Hospital the previous October. Vicious was clean, having been detoxed from heroin during his time at Riker's Island. However, at the dinner gathering, his mother had some heroin delivered, against the wishes of his girlfriend. The person who delivered it, Peter Kodick, came and stayed for a while. Sid overdosed later that night. Everyone who was there that night worked together to get Sid up and walking around in order to revive him.[20] Much later that night, the couple fell asleep together. Vicious was discovered dead late the next morning. An autopsy confirmed that Vicious died from an accumulation of fluid in the lungs that was consistent with heroin overdose. A syringe, spoon, and heroin residue were discovered near the body. It was theorized that Vicious had taken too much of the nearly 100% pure heroin to shoot up the third dose himself. After his recent overdose, he should have been unconscious all night

.

I can't help thinking about a similar case that occured here in France toward "NOIR DESIR" singer (a famous french rock band)

http://s.tf1.fr/mmdia/i/16/3/marie-trintignant-bertrand-cantat-afp-770163_1902.jpg?v=1

from wikipedia:
"Cantat was born in Pau, Pyrénées-Atlantiques. The son of a Navy officer, he spent his childhood in Le Havre. His family moved when he was an adolescent to Bordeaux and at the lycée Saint-Genès he met Denis Barthe, Serge Teyssot-Gay, and Frédéric Vidalenc, who would soon become members of his band. Early influences on Cantat included MC5, Gun Club and The Doors, - and many would subsequently compare him to Jim Morrison. At the end of Cantat's first performance in March 1981, when he was still 16, he threw himself into the crowd and suffered cranial trauma. In 1991 after a long series of soirées parisiennes, he blacked out, and in 1993 he had to undergo an operation on his vocal cords and then follow a series of vocal classes. Self destructive behaviour, cigarettes and alcohol, had taken a toll.[1] In 1997 he married Krisztina Rády, with whom he had two children. Milo was born in 1998, and their daughter Alice in 2003.

At the height of Noir Désir's success in the 1990s, he was one of the most prominent figures of French music. His left-wing political views caused him to take a position against globalisation, fascism, desertification of urban areas in Bordeaux and the 2003 invasion of Iraq, among other topics.

In 2003, following an argument related to infidelity, Cantat repeatedly assaulted his girlfriend Marie Trintignant in a hotel room in Vilnius, Lithuania. She died several days later in hospital in a deep coma, and a post-mortem examination showed she had suffered multiple head injuries. At his 2004 trial, prosecutors said he had hit her 19 times, causing irreversible brain damage, whereas Cantat admitted hitting Trintignant four times, but told the court her death was a tragic accident.[1]

He was said to have flown into a jealous rage after she received an affectionate text message from her former husband.[2]

The death of Marie caused considerable emotion in France. Nadine Trintignant, Marie's mother, actively sought a heavy sentence; Cantat's friends claimed he had been out of his mind and had not intended to cause harm. On 29 March 2004, Cantat was sentenced by Vilnius Regional Court under Article 129 of the Lithuanian Criminal Code to 8 years in prison for murder committed with indirect intent (dolus eventualis), i.e. it was acknowledged by the court that he didn't want to kill the victim, but foresaw her death as a probable consequence of his acts and was indifferent with regard to such a consequence. The verdict was at first appealed by Marie's family (who wanted to toughen the sentence), then by Bertrand Cantat (who wanted the higher court to reclassify his crime as a manslaughter and lessen his sentence), but both parties ultimately decided to cancel their appeals, which rendered the first 8 years judgment final.[3]

While in Lukiškės prison of Vilnius, Cantat performed on 11 August 2004 a concert for prison's inmates and administration.

At the request of his lawyers, Cantat was moved from a Lithuanian prison to a prison near Muret, France on 28 September 2004.

Cantat was released on parole on 16 October 2007, after serving half of his sentence. His early release caused anger of feminist campaigners and the victim’s mother, who had failed to persuade President Sarkozy and judges to block the early release.[4]

[5]


His house in Landes was burned down on September 11, 2003.

Ex-wife Krisztina Rády committed suicide on January 10, 2010, while he was sleeping in the same house[2]."

--------------------
It's also interesting to note Bertrand Cantat had became more famous in France to have criticized his own record company "Universal Music" and "Vivendi" during a speech for an award the band won at the "Victoires de la Musique" in 2001. Cantat openly critized Jean Marie Messier (Vivendi CEO) toward his views on music business... 2 years later the murder occured

turquoisefire777
09-03-2010, 08:08 PM
see where the forum cobain thread gets linked to on this site (1/4 way down):

http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/2010/03/terry-richardson-illuminati-ftw.html

hunkahunka
09-03-2010, 09:48 PM
http://www.oneangryman.com/ken/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/chastity-bono.jpg
Sonny and Cher with daughter Chastity

http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20091023/300.bono.chastity.chaz.lc.102309.jpg
Chastity, left, became Chaz, right, in sex reassignment

looks like we may have another Chastity-like programming project going
on here:


http://www.lifeandstylemag.com/2010/03/02/1011cover.jpg

complete article:

http://www.lifeandstylemag.com/2010/03/large-1011-cover.html

jannie baby
11-03-2010, 06:02 AM
I personally think Courtney Love had Kurt murdered.

Grunge was NEVER a rebellious movement really , it was about apathy - ' Here we are now , Entertain Us '. Grunge appealed to slackers who didn't really care about politics or rebellion , who were a bit depressed maybe.

However Kurt did suffer from a mysterious stomach complaint which seemed to be psychosomatic ( doctors couldn't find any medical cause for it ) and , bizarrely enough , some sort of narcolepsy.

He was homeless living under a bridge at one point , so maybe he was picked up by security agents and experimented on. However I don't think the CIA had anything to do with his death.

I agree.

dezkillaz
11-03-2010, 11:40 AM
Another sad coincidence !!! A famous stand-up comedian, who has openly questioned the conclusions of Waco case Dies of cancer at 32 years old...

from wikipedia :
"Hicks often discussed conspiracy theories in his performances, most notably the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. He mocked the Warren Report and the official version of Lee Harvey Oswald as a "lone nut assassin." He also questioned the guilt of David Koresh and the Branch Davidian compound during the Waco Siege.

Hicks would end some of his shows — and especially those being recorded in front of larger audiences as albums — with a mock "assassination" of himself on stage, making gunshot sound effects into the microphone and falling to the ground."

"Hicks died of pancreatic cancer in 1994 at the age of 32"

source:
Bill Hicks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

emerald
11-03-2010, 01:05 PM
I personally think Courtney Love had Kurt murdered.

Grunge was NEVER a rebellious movement really , it was about apathy - ' Here we are now , Entertain Us '. Grunge appealed to slackers who didn't really care about politics or rebellion , who were a bit depressed maybe.

However Kurt did suffer from a mysterious stomach complaint which seemed to be psychosomatic ( doctors couldn't find any medical cause for it ) and , bizarrely enough , some sort of narcolepsy.

He was homeless living under a bridge at one point , so maybe he was picked up by security agents and experimented on. However I don't think the CIA had anything to do with his death.

I agree.

It sounds so convenient so the case is classified, rite? Ure talking BS.

dezkillaz
11-03-2010, 02:59 PM
I can't help thinking about a similar case that occured here in France toward "NOIR DESIR" singer (a famous french rock band)

http://s.tf1.fr/mmdia/i/16/3/marie-trintignant-bertrand-cantat-afp-770163_1902.jpg?v=1

from wikipedia:
"Cantat was born in Pau, Pyrénées-Atlantiques. The son of a Navy officer, he spent his childhood in Le Havre. His family moved when he was an adolescent to Bordeaux and at the lycée Saint-Genès he met Denis Barthe, Serge Teyssot-Gay, and Frédéric Vidalenc, who would soon become members of his band. Early influences on Cantat included MC5, Gun Club and The Doors, - and many would subsequently compare him to Jim Morrison. At the end of Cantat's first performance in March 1981, when he was still 16, he threw himself into the crowd and suffered cranial trauma. In 1991 after a long series of soirées parisiennes, he blacked out, and in 1993 he had to undergo an operation on his vocal cords and then follow a series of vocal classes. Self destructive behaviour, cigarettes and alcohol, had taken a toll.[1] In 1997 he married Krisztina Rády, with whom he had two children. Milo was born in 1998, and their daughter Alice in 2003.

At the height of Noir Désir's success in the 1990s, he was one of the most prominent figures of French music. His left-wing political views caused him to take a position against globalisation, fascism, desertification of urban areas in Bordeaux and the 2003 invasion of Iraq, among other topics.

In 2003, following an argument related to infidelity, Cantat repeatedly assaulted his girlfriend Marie Trintignant in a hotel room in Vilnius, Lithuania. She died several days later in hospital in a deep coma, and a post-mortem examination showed she had suffered multiple head injuries. At his 2004 trial, prosecutors said he had hit her 19 times, causing irreversible brain damage, whereas Cantat admitted hitting Trintignant four times, but told the court her death was a tragic accident.[1]

He was said to have flown into a jealous rage after she received an affectionate text message from her former husband.[2]

The death of Marie caused considerable emotion in France. Nadine Trintignant, Marie's mother, actively sought a heavy sentence; Cantat's friends claimed he had been out of his mind and had not intended to cause harm. On 29 March 2004, Cantat was sentenced by Vilnius Regional Court under Article 129 of the Lithuanian Criminal Code to 8 years in prison for murder committed with indirect intent (dolus eventualis), i.e. it was acknowledged by the court that he didn't want to kill the victim, but foresaw her death as a probable consequence of his acts and was indifferent with regard to such a consequence. The verdict was at first appealed by Marie's family (who wanted to toughen the sentence), then by Bertrand Cantat (who wanted the higher court to reclassify his crime as a manslaughter and lessen his sentence), but both parties ultimately decided to cancel their appeals, which rendered the first 8 years judgment final.[3]

While in Lukiškės prison of Vilnius, Cantat performed on 11 August 2004 a concert for prison's inmates and administration.

At the request of his lawyers, Cantat was moved from a Lithuanian prison to a prison near Muret, France on 28 September 2004.

Cantat was released on parole on 16 October 2007, after serving half of his sentence. His early release caused anger of feminist campaigners and the victim’s mother, who had failed to persuade President Sarkozy and judges to block the early release.[4]

[5]


His house in Landes was burned down on September 11, 2003.

Ex-wife Krisztina Rády committed suicide on January 10, 2010, while he was sleeping in the same house[2]."

--------------------
It's also interesting to note Bertrand Cantat had became more famous in France to have criticized his own record company "Universal Music" and "Vivendi" during a speech for an award the band won at the "Victoires de la Musique" in 2001. Cantat openly critized Jean Marie Messier (Vivendi CEO) toward his views on music business... 2 years later the murder occured

It's Also interesting to note some possible connections between Serge Teyssot Gay (NOIR DESIR Guitarist) and William Burroughs...

http://multimedia.fnac.com/multimedia/images_produits/ZoomPE/9/9/9/0602498273999.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee195/hugzzzz/SergeTeyssotGay.jpg
A Pawn on the chessboard ? - Original STG's solo album ad (1996)

hunkahunka
11-03-2010, 03:55 PM
It sounds so convenient so the case is classified, rite? Ure talking BS.

Are you saying that the Cobain murder case is classified top secret and
that nothing can be released under the FOIA?

another curiosity worth mentioning is this insistence on classifying
the Cobain murder, if it was murder, as an EITHER/OR scenario.
ie: EITHER Courtney Love had Cobain killed/ OR the CIA took Cobain out.
Could it not be both? For example, lets say that if David Geffen and
Courtney essentially worked for the CIA anyway, and both Geffen and Love
had motive to see him die, then could the CIA not have exploited these
assets/motives and given the okay for them to go ahead?
Could it be that the CIA ordered Courtney to contact the El Duce/Allen Wrench cohort
and set it up? Could Wrench be a regular henchman of the CIA
for such things?

http://www.arthursclipart.org/occupations/occupations/executioner.gif


check out El Duce's 'executioner' mask. Would this not be the perfect
fantasy persona for someone who murdered for the CIA, a government-
employed killer?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HBKWtrKbYAk/SnCmBET4gUI/AAAAAAAAAeg/jpP-Gy6leG0/s400/El+Duce+-+Slave+To+Thy+Master!.jpg

also note the white venetian mask on one of the women.

hunkahunka
11-03-2010, 05:43 PM
video: El Duce on the Jerry Springer show:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

greydove
11-03-2010, 06:05 PM
Interesting name for a correctional facility??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moriah_Shock_Incarceration_Correctional_Facility

Moriah Shock Incarceration Correctional Facility

Moriah Shock Incarceration Correctional Facility is a minimum security New York State prison, located outside of Mineville, New York, in a beautiful, but particularly remote part of the Adirondack Mountains. The facility — established in former mine buildings — is home to SHOCK and intensive ASAT programs. It usually houses about 300 convicted felons.

emerald
11-03-2010, 07:46 PM
Are you saying that the Cobain murder case is classified top secret and
that nothing can be released under the FOIA?

another curiosity worth mentioning is this insistence on classifying
the Cobain murder, if it was murder, as an EITHER/OR scenario.
ie: EITHER Courtney Love had Cobain killed/ OR the CIA took Cobain out.
Could it not be both? For example, lets say that if David Geffen and
Courtney essentially worked for the CIA anyway, and both Geffen and Love
had motive to see him die, then could the CIA not have exploited these
assets/motives and given the okay for them to go ahead?
Could it be that the CIA ordered Courtney to contact the El Duce/Allen Wrench cohort
and set it up? Could Wrench be a regular henchman of the CIA
for such things?

http://www.arthursclipart.org/occupations/occupations/executioner.gif


check out El Duce's 'executioner' mask. Would this not be the perfect
fantasy persona for someone who murdered for the CIA, a government-
employed killer?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HBKWtrKbYAk/SnCmBET4gUI/AAAAAAAAAeg/jpP-Gy6leG0/s400/El+Duce+-+Slave+To+Thy+Master!.jpg

also note the white venetian mask on one of the women.


I replied to JANNIE BABY, not to ya.:D Shes the one who said what she said, not me.

subl1minal
11-03-2010, 10:01 PM
Everything would point to Courtney about this. But I seriously don't think she had him killed..I bet she's been made the scapegoat (by her Dad, El Duce saying she asked him) etc. Is it no wonder she's completely lost it?

And it's so obvious Cobain didn't committ suicide when you look at the behaviour of Grohl (Nirvana Drummer) when talking about it, I don't think I've ever heard him mention Kurts mood the last time he saw him and how Kurt was feeling. It's like he knows he can't say much.

Hence the subtle lyrics in the Foo Fighters song 'Pretender'

''Keep you in the dark, you know they all pretend''

hunkahunka
12-03-2010, 10:55 PM
video:

Author claims CIA still testing drugs on people

Author claims CIA still testing drugs on people - YouTube

American author Hank Albarelli spent over ten years researching the CIA and drug experiments conducted by the clandestine organization. In an exclusive interview with RT's Marina Portnaya, Albarelli details the secret tests that began in the 1950's and continue today.

http://www.clubhousewreckards.com/images/albarelliterriblemistake.jpg
(http://www.amazon.com/Terrible-Mistake-Murder-Secret-Experiments/dp/0977795373/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1268434709&sr=8-1-fkmr1)
Amazon.com: A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA&#39;s Secret Cold War Experiments (9780977795376): H. P. Albarelli Jr.: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51qqHN7M6JL.@@AMEPARAM@@51qqHN7M6JL

emerald
13-03-2010, 12:32 PM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20349283,00.html?xid=rss-fullcontent

hunkahunka
13-03-2010, 09:59 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/7413671/Wizard-of-Oz-set-for-3-D-remake.html


Wizard of Oz set for 3-D remake

The Wizard of Oz is to be remade for the 21st century, with 3-D special effects and a very modern Dorothy.

By Anita Singh, Showbusiness Editor
Published: 5:55PM GMT 10 Mar 2010

Inspired by the box office success of Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland, executives at Warner Bros are pressing ahead with an update of the childhood classic.

The studio is weighing up two rival projects which take Frank Baum's original story as their starting point, and will be very different from the 1939 film starring Judy Garland.

The first is Oz, produced by the team behind the Twilight franchise and aimed at the teen market.

The second, as-yet-untitled film has a darker tone and moves the action closer to the present day, with Dorothy's granddaughter returning to Oz to fight the forces of evil. The script has been written by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Olson, whose previous credits include David Cronenberg's A History of Violence.

Both projects have been in development for some time, but the surprise success of Alice in Wonderland has spurred Warner Bros into action, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Tim Burton's re-imagining of the Lewis Carroll tale has met with mixed review from critics but took an astonishing £210 million worldwide on its opening weekend, eclipsing Avatar.

The studio is keen to capitalize on the current vogue for 3-D movies, and believes a new Wizard of Oz film could spawn a franchise.

It has been remade before - The Wiz, released in 1978, featured an all-black cast including Diana Ross as Dorothy and Michael Jackson as the Scarecrow.

Other remakes of Hollywood classics in the offing include a new version of My Fair Lady, with Keira Knightley and Carey Mulligan frontrunners to take Audrey Hepburn's role of Eliza Doolittle, and Hugh Grant tipped to play Professor Henry Higgins.

dezkillaz
15-03-2010, 10:06 AM
Helter Skelter covered by Noir Desir

Noir Désir - Helter skelter - - YouTube

hunkahunka
15-03-2010, 03:32 PM
Fascinating Jim Jones

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-JJones_Moscone.jpg


http://naturalbias.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/koolaid.jpg
Kool Aid with Aspartame

I cannot help but be fascinated by the fact that Jim Jones, CIA cult leader
& all around go-to guy for anyone wanting to set up a brainwashing/cyanide-flavored kool-aid facility in S. America, was at one point, during the height of his power in San Francisco, made Executive Director of the San Francisco Housing Authority.

http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/en/4/4a/SFHA_logo145x145.gif

The San Francisco Housing Authority is the governmental agency responsible for providing affordable (govt.-subsidized) housing to San Francisco's low income earners, a high percentage of which happen to be visible minorities.
After Jim Jones moved to South America, and created the Jonestown compound, he continued in his role of govt.-agent providing affordable housing to low -income people. Granted, the housing project was a forced-labor camp, and the beverage served was Kool aid, but you get the picture.

More Weirdness at San Francisco Housing Authority

I decided to look into the San Francisco Housing Authority to see if there
is any more weirdness still going on there.
For example, two of the first questions that came to my mind were:

1. "Given that Jim Jones ran the San Francisco Housing authority just
months before moving to Guyana, I wonder who is now in the job as Executive Director of the San Francisco Housing Authority? "

2. "Is the new guy anywhere near as weird as Jim Jones?"


In answer to question one, I found this link:

http://newscenter.sdsu.edu/360/news.aspx?s=71099

The Executive

Henry A. Alvarez III became Executive Director of the San Francisco Housing Authority in 2008. With more than 20 years of leadership experience in Texas, Oregon and San Diego, he is considered among the top 10 public housing experts. He graduated from San Diego State University with distinction in 1983.

It turned out that the above site is a site that boasts of the achievements
of a group known as the San Diego State University Aztecs. Henry Alvarez
was an SDU Aztec.

At the same link , is this weird video:
SDSU Month: Aztec for Life Video Spot - YouTube

So, Alvarez has links to South America, human sacrifice/cannibalism/pyramids, subsidized housing, and of course, the gigantic CIA cult known as San Francisco. I know its not much , but its all I have right now, and something to bear in mind, in future.

In answer to question 2:

I also found this (what a cutey) :



Crystal Meth? What's That? Asks Executive Director of the City's Housing Authority
http://sfist.com/2009/11/16/crystal_meth_whats_that_asks_execut.php

Last Thursday, the New York Times published a piece about the trials and travails of a bunch of old ladies living in a San Francisco Housing Authority building in the Castro that was overrun by crystal meth fiends (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/us/13sfmetro.html?_r=2). Apparently, the old ladies repeatedly complained to the Housing Authority about the addicts in their midst and were, unsurprisingly, pooh-poohed for their troubles. The neighborhood had to collapse into the gutter followed by a police raid on the building (to shut down the resident meth lab) before the Housing Authority was willing to take steps to evict the meth addicts.

A year and a half later, with about half a million American dollars spent on legal bills and building security, they were finally able to get the meth heads out. Alas, like the proverbial cucaracha, meth addicts tend to multiply and where one once ground his teeth like a frenzied moron, a million more show up snorting around, looking to party with tina.

All this aside, the true revelation in this article was the following quote:

"I don't know what crystal meth is, sir," said Henry A. Alvarez III, the agency's executive director.

Come again? Wait a minute. Let's get this straight. The Executive Director of the San Francisco Housing Authority, the agency responsible for putting roofs over the heads of the San Francisco's poors and downtroddens, has never heard of a drug that has been the scourge of the city for over a decade? Hasn't he seen the public health campaigns against meth that feature bad neo-constructivist art/sexy cartoon characters/meth-addled porn stars who keep falling off the wagon (http://www.tweaker.org/html/campaigns/campaigns.html#)? Didn't he get an orientation pep talk on the city's woes when he landed this gig? You know, something with a sassy, gum-smacking, street-smart social worker who talks the hep jive of today's youth and says things like "Meth is (insert snappy negative rhyming word here)," like in an episode of "The White Shadow."

For those of you generous enough of spirit to wonder whether this fella was misquoted, take note. The author of this piece, Scott James, wrote a follow up blog post (http://bayarea.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/crystal-meth-and-senior-housing/), describing himself as stunned when Mr. Alvarez made the above pronouncement not just once, but three times during their interview! Unbelievable. Also, unacceptable. Particularly for a job that undoubtedly pays well into the six figures. For that kind of coin, this writer would expect the executive director of the public housing authority to be able to rattle off drug names like a god damned pharmacist.

http://www.tweaker.org/files/site6/images/campaigns/lrgeimgs/19.jpg
Public Health billboard ad (in San Francisco) in response to crystal meth sex trend in San Francisco (featuring two gay porn stars


innocent sophisticate Henry Alvarez , Executive Director of SFHA has no idea what crystal meth is

hunkahunka
15-03-2010, 10:51 PM
Methamphetamine : Before and After

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/content/images/2008/03/07/yorkslincs_before_after_470_470x303.jpg


http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/files/images/meth%20addict1.jpg

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_kumari_fulbright_080102_ms.jpg

http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/files/images/meth%20addict3.jpg

http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/64454/methuse.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/01/meth_228x399.jpg

http://64.17.187.158/images/methbefore.jpg

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/128809/80670499.jpg

http://www.anti-meth.org/images/crystal_meth_1.jpg

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1374/amywinehouseuf5.jpg
Amy Winehouse: before and after drugs

hunkahunka
16-03-2010, 12:55 PM
here is the NY Times article that was incorrectly linked in the above post.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/us/13sfmetro.html?_r=2

Residents Feel Victimized by Dealers, and by Housing Agency

By SCOTT JAMES
Published: November 12, 2009

363 Noe Street was a haven for some of San Francisco’s most vulnerable residents, a small housing project reserved for the elderly and the disabled. Its design may be spartan, but for 22 residents — many of them proverbial little old ladies — it was a safe home.

Then a few years ago it all began to fall apart. Olga Stromberg — a woman of a certain age with jet-black hair that obscures her years — remembers when the signs of trouble started four years ago. A prostitute walking the hallway. Junkies passed out in stairwells. Strange chemical smells. The dangerous illegal drug crystal methamphetamine had come into their building.

The story of 363 Noe raises troubling questions about the system intended to protect renters no matter what their behavior. In this case, the result has been years of misery, with taxpayers footing an enormous bill that keeps growing.

Residents immediately notified the San Francisco Housing Authority, the property’s landlord. They signed a petition. Ms. Stromberg said she was confronted by one of the building’s invaders. “He said, ‘I’ll have you dropped for 50 cents.’ ”

“Nobody in Housing would listen to me,” she said. So she began her own investigation, a self-taught Angela Lansbury in her own episode of “Meth, She Wrote.” She took notes and photographs. “I spent over $1,000 out of my own pocket on faxing and photos,” she said.

There is a particularly disturbing picture of a naked woman standing in the building’s hallway, brazenly smiling for the camera.

The trouble then spilled into the neighborhood, as I know all too well. I live on that block and witnessed the devolution. Four years ago, the only drama at 363 Noe was when an elderly resident left a pot on the stove too long. Then scary characters began showing up. Rail thin, with zombie eyes, picking at scabs on their arms and faces — the unmistakable sting of meth.

Finally, on March 10, 2007, the police raided the building. They found the meth. The Housing Authority moved to oust those it said were involved.

That should be the end of the story. But since most San Francisco residents (and voters) are renters, the laws here make it especially difficult to evict, even when neighbors are in danger.

Eviction rules must be followed precisely. The Housing Authority made some errors, like accepting a rent check after the eviction process started. That allowed tenants’ rights advocates to tie up the case in court and prevent the eviction for 14 months. In that time, the situation worsened. Residents were so frightened that the Housing Authority added 24/7 security.

The eviction finally went through in May 2008. But by then, 363 Noe was established as a drug destination, a veritable crystal cathedral. Meth is insidious, and addicts do not go away simply because you wish they would.

Others were evicted, but constant vigilance is now required. The round-the-clock security remains, so far costing taxpayers $345,484.71. Add legal bills plus other expenses and this case of tenants’ rights has an overall cost quickly approaching $500,000.

“We spent a lot of money on what is a very small building,” said Tim Larsen, the Housing Authority’s general counsel. “We don’t want to be the eyesore or the pariah of that neighborhood.”

Eviction Defense Collaborative represented one of those eventually evicted, according to court filings. Citing client confidentiality, the group would not say why it championed someone who they knew, according to court documents their representatives signed, had been arrested on charges of possessing crystal meth.

In the meantime, Ms. Stromberg said problems persist. She recently photographed pools of black soot around courtyard drains, worried that they are evidence that someone is cooking meth at the building. Mr. Larsen said that he appreciated the tip, but that photos alone do not prove a crime.

Others at the Housing Athority seem unaware of the drug and the devastating impact it can have. “I don’t know what crystal meth is, sir,” said Henry A. Alvarez III, the agency’s executive director.

But Ms. Stromberg continues to try to bring peace back to her home. “I just keep at it and at it.”

Scott James is an Emmy-winning television journalist and novelist who lives in San Francisco.

hunkahunka
16-03-2010, 01:05 PM
http://bayarea.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/crystal-meth-and-senior-housing/

November 13, 2009, 12:22 am
Crystal Meth and Senior Housing
By SCOTT JAMES

While doing the reporting for this week’s Barbary Coast column—about a housing project for seniors invaded by meth—I interviewed the executive director of the San Francisco Housing Authority, Henry A. Alvarez III.

Mr. Alvarez has been on the job since July of last year, so he’s relatively new. But I have to admit that I was stunned when he said three times during a 25-minute interview that he does not know what crystal meth is.

That’s quite a statement coming from someone responsible for running housing projects in a major American city, especially in San Francisco, where meth use is a crisis.

So for Mr. Alvarez’s education, and others who might not know the scope of problem, I asked an expert to offer some insight. San Francisco psychiatrist Dr. Paul Linde treats people addicted to meth. He’s written a new book about this troubling netherworld called “Danger to Self: On the Front Line with an ER Psychiatrist.” (Full disclosure: I received an advance copy of this book, was fascinated, and gave it an endorsement blurb.)

Dr. Linde:

Crystal methamphetamine, aka “meth” has destroyed the minds, bodies, and lives of hundreds of people in San Francisco over the past several years. The slang term “speed” refers exclusively to the substance and effect of illicit methamphetamines, which can be used in several different ways—swallowing, snorting, smoking, or injecting intravenously. Addiction to crystal is difficult to treat because the high of intoxication is so intense and the withdrawal symptoms so debilitating.

Manufactured synthetically in labs both large and small, crystal is a purer, higher grade, more expensive form of methamphetamine than its impoverished cousin crank. In its purest forms, crystal appears in the form of clear to white glass shards, ergo its name, before being crushed and dissolved into a liquid for use. Intravenous injection or smoking of crystal provide the most rapid route to the brain, where it initially causes euphoria, increased alertness, higher energy, and a sense of well-being that can last for hours.

Sometimes crystal use causes acute psychotic symptoms, also referred to as a “tweak,” in which a person experiences drug-induced paranoia, hallucinations, and hyperactivity. Withdrawal from the substance, also known as “the crash,” can be nearly as bad. Physical fatigue, drowsiness, irritability, and sadness can set off a vicious cycle in which a person uses again and again to counteract the seemingly debilitating physical and emotional symptoms of the crash, thereby creating a downward spiral.

People often begin using crystal meth with good intentions—to increase productivity at work, to self-medicate psychiatric symptoms, and, most commonly, to “party” and enhance the sexual experience. Crystal meth is a direct cause of both physical and psychiatric morbidity in the community. The use of needles increases rates of hepatitis C transmission and overall meth use increases the likelihood of HIV being transmitted as well. Crystal meth wreaks havoc on a person’s brain. Acutely, psychosis can occur. Long-term use is a major cause of depression, anxiety, and subtle cognitive deficits that can make recovery from crystal use much more challenging

venomous
16-03-2010, 01:52 PM
A hit squad executed the folks at Jonestown.

The cyanide kool-aid story is a complete fabrication. There are a few leaked photographs floating around on the web that show many of Jones' followers lying face down, shot in the back of the head execution style.

My take on Jonestown. Jim Jones was a spook involved with mind control, specifically mind control on poor minority types, giving them the impression that he was some kind of civic leader, in the same vein as Martin Luther King, Jr.. Well, he takes them off to Jonestown and makes them work in labor camps, gets hooked on the same mind altering substances that he's been using on his followers, and develops some kind of Messianic complex. The CIA see that he's becoming unstable and sends in a death squad to deal with him.

When the CIA arrive, they execute the entire population of Jonestown, except the ones who were still loyal operatives to the CIA. Then they fabricate the whole kool-aid story as a way to cover up their own butchery, just like they tried covering up the fire at Waco, TX when they burned up innocent women and children when trying to get Koresh (another Messianic cult leader).

hunkahunka
16-03-2010, 02:38 PM
A hit squad executed the folks at Jonestown.

The cyanide kool-aid story is a complete fabrication. There are a few leaked photographs floating around on the web that show many of Jones' followers lying face down, shot in the back of the head execution style.

My take on Jonestown. Jim Jones was a spook involved with mind control, specifically mind control on poor minority types, giving them the impression that he was some kind of civic leader, in the same vein as Martin Luther King, Jr.. Well, he takes them off to Jonestown and makes them work in labor camps, gets hooked on the same mind altering substances that he's been using on his followers, and develops some kind of Messianic complex. The CIA see that he's becoming unstable and sends in a death squad to deal with him.

When the CIA arrive, they execute the entire population of Jonestown, except the ones who were still loyal operatives to the CIA. Then they fabricate the whole kool-aid story as a way to cover up their own butchery, just like they tried covering up the fire at Waco, TX when they burned up innocent women and children when trying to get Koresh (another Messianic cult leader).

that seems like a fairly accurate assessment of what happened, but I think
what really sparked the massacre was the fact that Congressman Leo Ryan
and the media were about to blow the lid off the whole thing. Inmates were
going to tell all . The killings were done to silence everyone involved, and even
extended to the murder of San Francisco Mayor Moscone and city councilman
Harvey Milk ten days later in San Francisco at City Hall.

hunkahunka
16-03-2010, 02:49 PM
it just struck me how so many of those purportedly anti-methamphetamine San Francisco billboards almost read like an ad for the drugs/gay sex lifestyle.

http://www.tweaker.org/files/site6/images/campaigns/lrgeimgs/6.jpg

http://www.tweaker.org/files/site6/images/campaigns/lrgeimgs/17.jpg

http://www.tweaker.org/files/site6/images/campaigns/lrgeimgs/7.jpg

it's like the ads would just give more publicity to the idea that meth is the big trend.

hunkahunka
17-03-2010, 02:34 AM
http://frtim.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/ventura.jpg

Governor Jesse Ventura connects killings of John Lennon, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King

http://politicsinminnesota.com/blog/2010/03/what-do-john-lennon-malcolm-x-and-martin-luther-king-jr-have-in-common-ask-jesse/

What do John Lennon, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. have in common? Ask Jesse

by Betsy Sundquist
Published: March 16,2010


Former Minnesota Gov. (and current conspiracy theorist) Jesse Ventura, currently touring to plug his new book “American Conspiracies: Lies, Lies and More Dirty Lies that the Government Tells Us,” is drawing parallels between the deaths of Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr. and John Lennon.

Ventura told celebrity interviewer Tom Murro this week that the CIA was “following” the ex-Beatle and had him “under surveillance” when he was gunned down in New York City in 1980.

” … John Lennon was making a huge comeback, and he was the voice of the left,” Ventura told Murro. “And if you remember right, Ron Reagan had just been elected.

“The interesting thing about Lennon’s death, Malcolm X’s death and Martin Luther King’s death is they were all three under heavy surveillance by the CIA when they were shot and killed. I couldn’t believe how much the CIA were following Lennon and had him under surveillance, because I don’t know, what — they felt he was a threat to the country? I mean, come on, the singer for the Beatles is a threat to the country?”

Later in his telephone discussion with Murro, Ventura alluded again to Lennon, saying he wish he had covered Lennon’s death in his new book.

“The only thing I wish I also covered was the murder of John Lennon,” he told Murro. “I mean, he was under heavy surveillance by the CIA; couldn’t that have saved his life?”

Ventura’s latest gig, in addition to promoting his book, is hosting “Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura” on truTV. He will sign copies of “American Conspiracies” March 21 in the Mall of America rotunda and March 22 at Rosedale Center.

hunkahunka
17-03-2010, 02:48 AM
Jesse Ventura: I Will Never Commit Suicide

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Monday, March 15, 2010

In light of the alleged “suicides” of prominent people who have gone up against the establishment in recent years, former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura, who has been trailblazing across establishment media in recent weeks exposing the 9/11 cover-up, firmly stated on the Alex Jones Show that he would never commit suicide.

Ventura has been all over television and talk radio recently talking about his new book, American Conspiracies, and in doing so has educated millions of people about issues sensitive to those in power.

Host Alex Jones highlighted the fact that Ventura’s co-author Dick Russell interviewed many people in the course of researching the JFK assassination, several of whom later died suspiciously.

He also mentioned the case of the DC Madam, Jeane Palfrey, who told the Alex Jones Show that she would never commit suicide less than two months before she allegedly killed herself.

“No I’m not planning to commit suicide,” Palfrey told The Alex Jones Show on her last appearance in March 2008, “I’m planning on going into court and defending myself vigorously and exposing the government,” she said. Palfrey was found dead on May 1st.

Jones also cited the example of award-winning investigative journalist Gary Webb, the man who exposed CIA drug dealing, who authorities claim shot himself in the head twice. Prior to the incident, Webb had talked about how he had caught men breaking into his house.

“The only way you can shoot yourself twice in the head is if you missed with the first one,” said Ventura.

Ventura then went on record to say that he would never commit suicide.

“I’ll say on the record absolutely, Jesse Ventura will never ever commit suicide,” the former Governor stated.

Responding the the massive demonization and smearing of 9/11 truth activists as dangerous extremists and even terrorists by the establishment media, Ventura pointed to another example of this chilling effect with the recent Huffington Post censorship of his article on 9/11.

“Email the Huffington Post and demand to know why Jesse Ventura was censored on the Huffington Post,” Ventura challenged, adding, “Let’s go on the offense and stick it to them”.

Host Alex Jones challenged listeners to get Ventura’s article and circulate it to make sure the issue gets even more attention.

* A d v e r t i s e m e n t
*

“I’ll tell you this, I won’t ever write for them again,” stated Ventura.

During his appearance on the show, Ventura emphasized his satisfaction at the fact that he was “beating the crap out of Karl Rove’s book” on the best seller charts.

“That’s the guy I want to beat, I want this book to beat Karl Rove,” said Ventura, adding that Rove’s book is attempting to rewrite history.

“Maybe this country is starting to wake up, maybe people are starting to finally get frustrated enough with the media that we have and the status quo,” said Ventura, adding that he didn’t agree with every aspect of the Tea Party but was glad it was out there stirring things up.

Ventura also revealed that his popular TruTv series, Conspiracy Theory, had been picked up for a second series. Eight to ten episodes will be produced for the second run, with filming beginning in summer and the show airing later this year or in early 2010. Ventura said he was sure Alex Jones would also have a role in the second season.

The former Governor also discussed his role in a secretive upcoming Wachowski brothers film about the Iraq war from a perspective 100 years in the future.

Ventura called the experience, “The most bizarre movie shoot I’ve ever been on in my life, I have no idea what the end result of this movie will be.”

Ventura said he was dressed up to look something like John Travolta in Battlefield Earth and told to rant about Bush, Cheney and the Iraq war. Ventura said he didn’t have a clue what the scope of the film was about because there was no script.

“They allowed me to just vent,” said Ventura, “I’m going to be very very interested I can’t wait to see what in the hell this movie’s about,” he added, pointing out that Arianna Huffington and Salman Rushdie were also involved in filming.

Watch the full interview with Ventura below:

Bombshell Jesse Ventura Interview on The Alex Jones Show 1/7 - YouTube

Bombshell Jesse Ventura Interview on The Alex Jones Show 2/7 - YouTube

Bombshell Jesse Ventura Interview on The Alex Jones Show 3/7 - YouTube

Bombshell Jesse Ventura Interview on The Alex Jones Show 4/7 - YouTube

Bombshell Jesse Ventura Interview on The Alex Jones Show 5/7 - YouTube

Bombshell Jesse Ventura Interview on The Alex Jones Show 6/7 - YouTube

Bombshell Jesse Ventura Interview on The Alex Jones Show 7/7 - YouTube

hunkahunka
17-03-2010, 03:20 AM
March 23, 2006

Woodlands justice in doubt
By Roxanne Gregory

Bill MacArthur was seven in 1963 when his mother left him for the first time at Woodlands School. His mother said it was a summer school-but she didn't tell him he couldn't go home. Bill was hyperactive, but he was also highly intelligent, and he soon learned the lessons of survival at Woodlands.

"In the morning they would line us up for the washroom. I remember seeing people tied down to toilets and staff pouring hot water over their genitals to make them go. I was afraid all the time," he told the Georgia Straight in a recent interview.

"There was a nurse…She found a staff member in bed with a patient and she reported him. They fired her," he said.

MacArthur said he was sexually assaulted by staff, but what he feared most was being forcibly submerged in tubs filled with ice water until he nearly drowned. Another boy he knew was repeatedly confined inside a canvas sack and held underwater. "This was the way they controlled your behaviour," he explained matter-of-factly.

Although the recent and belated coroner's inquest into the tragic death of 19-month-old Sherry Charlie has renewed calls in B.C. for greater social-services oversight and accountability, abuse of children while in government care has a long history here-beginning decades before little Sherry's death.

And a recent court decision might deny former child victims of institutional abuse the justice they've sought for decades.

In February 2000, a chorus of complaints from former Woodlands School residents found a short-lived voice in the local press. In response, B.C.'s Liberals commissioned then-former ombudsman Dulcie McCallum to write an administrative review of the government-run facility that provided residential care for hundreds of children between 1950 and 1996.

McCallum's review, completed in August 2001 and released by the province in July 2002, found widespread sexual, physical, and emotional abuse of children at Woodlands, as well as unexpected and uninvestigated deaths. The physical mistreatment included "hitting, kicking, smacking, slapping, striking, restraining, isolating…very cold showers, very hot baths resulting in burns, verbal abuse, extended isolation, wearing shackles, and a belt leash with documented evidence of injuries including bruising, scratches, broken limbs, black eyes and swollen face".

Woodlands survivor Gary Hill told the Straight of a nightmarish practice: "Lots of kids had all their teeth pulled so they couldn't bite staff.…After I left Woodlands, when my dentist was working on me, he said my mouth looked like they used a shovel."

McCallum urged the government to apologize and compensate victims-and not by revictimizing them through a judicial process. Without success, she urged a second-stage investigation of the systemic abuse. No Woodlands staff member has ever been charged with abuse or assault.

Almost 3,000 people who died in government care and were unclaimed were buried at Woodlands between 1926 and 1957. In 1977, a Social Credit cabinet order-in-council resulted in the people's headstones-about 1,800 of them-being pulled up and the area grassed over and redesignated as a park. McCallum discovered that some of the headstones were used to construct a staff barbecue patio and stairs. After 1958, unclaimed bodies were sent to UBC as cadavers.

Although the government apologized in 2002 and pledged a $2-million fund for counselling, the money isn't just for the estimated 1,500 survivors of Woodlands. It's also for residents from three other facilities-Essondale, Valleyview, and Tranquille-and, to date, not a dime has been released to any survivors.

Survivors attempted to launch a class-action lawsuit against the provincial government in 2002, but the Liberals stalled, arguing that the suit should be brought by the office of the Public Guardian and Trustee and not by an independent North Vancouver law firm, Poyner Baxter.

In 2004, a B.C. court decided otherwise, and in March 2005 the class-action lawsuit was certified before Judge Nancy Morrison by attorneys from Poyner Baxter.

In a March 2005 news release, attorney Jim Poyner said: "We hope that government will now finally recognize that serious damage has been done to a very large number of people, and work to expeditiously correct decades of evasion." Despite the class-action certification, a year later no court dates are pending.

ON WOODLANDS' bucolic 26-hectare grounds at McBride Boulevard and Columbia Street in New Westminster, almost 1,600 children lived in lock-down conditions at any one time inside outdated buildings that formerly housed B.C.'s "lunatics".

Established on the New Westminster cricket pitch in 1878, the Public Hospital for the Insane was a castlelike fortress overlooking the B.C. Penitentiary and the Fraser River. In 1950, the B.C. government, which ran the facility, decided to separate disabled children from adult lunatics (who were sent to Essondale), and the institution was renamed the Woodlands School. Woodlands became home to the province's unwanted kids.

Babies abandoned at birth in hospital, the hyperactive, the epileptic, the intellectually challenged, the disabled, wards of the court, and children displaced by the closure of Vancouver's orphanage all lived within its walls and cottages.

But Woodlands wasn't a school you could graduate from. In fact, in 1973 there were only 12 teachers there for about 1,600 residents. Once children were committed to Woodlands, they often lived there for the rest of their lives-that is, until the province closed the facility in 1996.

Despite McCallum's report and horrifying statements by former residents in news reports, on November 24, 2005, Children and Family Development Minister Stan Hagen told the legislature-in response to a query from Opposition critic Adrian Dix-that the government "disagrees" that there was "systemic abuse" at Woodlands.

Hagen also neglected to mention that Woodlands children were used in genetic research and drug experiments for more than 30 years. Between 1954 and 1978, almost three dozen research papers, including drug studies, were published by the then-medical director of Woodlands, Dr. Bluma Tischler. Research continued until 1986.

In 1978, Premier Bill Bennett praised Tischler's work at Woodlands when he announced a fellowship in her name. "Dr. Tischler has conducted outstanding research…during the past 24 years. Her more than 35 scientific publications have made such an impact that Dr. Tischler has increased the knowledge of scientists throughout the world," he said in the legislature.

(One published paper was about extracting urine samples from children by inserting a needle through the abdomen above the pubic bone and aspirating the fluid with a syringe-a method of obtaining a sterile sample that is commonly used today in uncooperative cats and dogs.)

Not everyone agreed with Bennett's adulation, but those who were critical of the way children were cared for at Woodlands met with dismissal or worse.

In the fall of 1972, Marie White had been working at Woodlands for almost 10 years. She was head nurse of the isolation ward, and she was worried. According to a letter from her attorney, Brian Stanton, to Woodlands superintendent Pauline Hughes-and copied to Opposition health critic Bob McClelland, who read it in the legislature-her complaints about alleged sexual abuse of children by a janitor fell on deaf ears. Her concerns that kids were also being overmedicated and that there wasn't enough control over access to drugs elicited no response from the administration.

When she couldn't get the administration to act, she threatened to go to the media-a threat that sealed her fate in a scenario mimicking a script from TV's The Prisoner.

According to Stanton, while working one day in November 1972, she was told by the director of nursing that she was unwell and required immediate treatment. Neither the nature of her alleged sickness nor the treatment required was revealed by her supervisor. She was escorted to Dr. Hughes's office. (Besides being superintendent of Woodlands, 10 years earlier Hughes had been involved in genetic-research experiments there.)

Once inside Hughes's office, according to Stanton (who is now dead), White was confronted by a Dr. McKenzie, whose first name is not mentioned in the letter. McKenzie told her she was being committed to a private facility for the insane for her own good.

Stanton wrote that when White tried to resign on the spot, McKenzie called for an orderly and a matron. They took her from the office and bundled her into a waiting car. Despite having no committal papers, she was admitted and sedated at the Hollywood Sanitarium in New Westminster, from where they planned to send her to Riverview for 30 days. However, according to a May 7, 1973, article in the New Westminster Columbian newspaper, her daughter intervened and secured her release with the help of Stanton's partner, Norman Einarsson.

As Stanton wrote to Hughes: "In short, our client was seized, abducted, imprisoned, drugged, and reported as insane for the purpose of protecting certain improper procedures at the Woodlands School."

As the Columbian noted on December 29, 1972, B.C.'s NDP health minister, Dennis Cocke, under pressure from the Opposition, belatedly asked for an investigation.

The Columbian reported in January 1973 that Cocke had ordered the month previous that White be reinstated without loss of wages, and the attorney general, Alexander Barrett MacDonald, announced his office would also conduct an investigation, but in January White had still heard nothing about her reinstatement and Hughes refused comment when the Columbian came calling.

At the time, White told the newspaper: "I am quite willing to go back to Woodlands to work. But I haven't heard from Woodlands at all. When I receive instructions to return to work in writing, I will go back. But they haven't written to me yet, nor have they sent me any money."

Three months later, White was still not working. By May 1973, though, Woodlands gave her five months' salary, a lump sum to pay her lawyers, and another job in an undisclosed government institution. The Georgia Straight was unable to ascertain her present-day whereabouts.

COCKE'S INVESTIGATION wasn't the first review of abuse at Woodlands. Ten years earlier, there had been the so-called Amos Gill inquiry into abuse and the misappropriation of funds at the facility.

After the March 2005 class-action lawsuit became certified, hope was beginning to dawn for Woodlands survivors, but in October of last year many of them learned they may never be compensated for the abuse they suffered-even if the class action is successful.

A little-known court decision in October 2005-the Arishenkoff ruling-may have decided the fates of Woodlands survivors who were abused before 1974. In 1974, the government passed the Crown Proceedings Act, which allowed the Crown to be held liable for the actions of its employees.

The Arishenkoff case arose out of abuse at residential schools where Doukhobor children were interned by the B.C. government in the '50s and '60s. But the Arishenkoff ruling meant that liability for injury or abuse can't be laid at the government's door retroactively-if the alleged wrong was done before the Crown Proceedings Act became law.

The Arishenkoff case wasn't even before the courts when lawyer Jim Poyner first tried bringing the Woodlands class-action suit.

On October 31 last year, a frustrated Poyner told Woodlands survivors at one of their regular meetings: "If we hadn't had to fight to represent this group for the last three years, we might have already reached a settlement. This is really bad…Only a political decision can make this right."

Len Zimmer, who lived 18 years at Woodlands, was devastated by the news of the Arishenkoff ruling. "I thought I was going to have a heart attack," he told the Straight. "It's just so unfair." Zimmer was born in Essondale (now Riverview)-B.C.'s psychiatric hospital where, post-Second World War, up to 4,000 B.C. residents languished in the care of only seven doctors at any one time.

Zimmer spent the first years of his life at Essondale, until he was moved to Woodlands in 1954 at age seven. Conditions inside Woodlands weren't better; they were worse. Zimmer said he was repeatedly sexually abused and tortured by staff until he finally won his freedom by escaping in 1972. For years, Zimmer said, he tried to tell his story, but the police didn't believe him and no one else listened.

Sexual abuse of children was widespread within the institution, members of the Woodlands Survivors group told the Straight. McCallum's review found sexual "assault, intercourse and in the result, injuries and in a few cases pregnancy".

Bill MacArthur, the boy who was dropped off at "summer school", is angry at the way Woodlands survivors have been treated by government. "I want everyone to remember what happened at Woodlands so that it never happens to anybody again…A whole group of people will be denied justice with this [Arishenkoff] ruling," he said.

Luann Bradshaw was 12 in 1961 when her parents' divorce divided her family. Her mother, Amy Reiter, told the Straight that she put Luann in B.C. government care at Woodlands for a weekend to get some doctor-ordered rest for herself. When she tried to bring her daughter home, staff refused to release her. She said she was assured Luann would get good care at the facility. But that didn't happen.

Bradshaw is an independent and outspoken critic of Woodlands. "I was determined not to let myself become permanently damaged. I'm a long-time survivor because of that," she told the Straight. "I've been in the [survivors'] community for 22 years. The physical, social, mental, and psychological torture at Woodlands was ongoing. They would make you go hungry. They took your home visits away, even your phone calls…They made you kneel for hours at a time on a hard wooden floor until you could hardly move…

"There was an all-male ward where everyone getting out of the bathtub got badly whipped. They became so scarred they could hardly stand.

"And there was slavery. I'd make 30 to 50 beds a day, every day, and I folded thousands of diapers each month for $12. Woodlands was a deadly prison. No one deserves to go through what we had to go through."

Will there be justice for the forgotten children of Woodlands?

hunkahunka
17-03-2010, 04:43 AM
this provides a bit more of a substantial tie between William
Burroughs and satanism. Meek posted:

Found this picture and thought it was interesting, so I thought I'd post it here. Jimmy Page and William S. Burroughs:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9702/jimmypagen.jpg

“I took this photograph for Crawdaddy in 1975, at William Burroughs' Manhattan loft. They were talking about Aleister Crowley (the English occultist, writer, spy and yogi) since Jimmy Page had just bought Crowley's English castle and Burroughs was a Crowley fan.” - Charles Gatewood



also there is a recording of William Burroughs, Brion Gysin and Robert Anton Wilson together:

http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/dial_a_poem_poets/nova/Nova-Convention_16_conversation.mp3

hunkahunka
17-03-2010, 12:50 PM
http://www.screenhead.com/funny/billy.JPG

hunkahunka
17-03-2010, 01:50 PM
This Day in Rock History (Lennon Joins Elton John Onstage in Final Concert Appearance)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dXvGSWAPHOE/SxIlmtYTMwI/AAAAAAAABMU/byJXUySyq0o/s320/JohnLennon-EltonJohn.jpg

1974—After four hours of high-energy rock ‘n’ roll from opening act Kiki Dee and headliner Elton John at Madison Square Garden, Elton coaxed visibly nervous friend John Lennon onto the stage to play. A collective gasp issued from the audience, followed by tumultuous applause for the ex-Beatle.

Among the surprised fans that night were my friends Brian and Karen. I’m sure they would agree that this was among the more memorable concerts they’ve ever attended.

In retrospect, of course, it became far more than that. Little did anyone know that for the next five years, Lennon would drop from sight, becoming a househusband in the wake of his reconciliation with wife Yoko Ono and the birth of their son Sean; that he would only emerge from all of this to record his album Double Fantasy; and that his murder at the hands of Mark David Chapman in 1980 would make his time onstage at the Garden his last public appearance.

Lennon’s appearance was the result of a dare between himself and Elton. The ex-Beatle met the Liberace of rock ‘n’ roll in Los Angeles during Lennon’s 15-month separation from Ono, a period of sexual experimentation fueled by drunkenness and desperation that he later described as his “lost weekend.”

The two British musicians immediately hit it off, and Elton played piano and sang a duet on the uptempo “Whatever Gets You Through the Night” from Lennon's Walls and Bridges LP. Unlike the other Beatles, Lennon had not had a #1 hit as a solo artist, but Elton believed that this would be the one.

Lennon was so certain it would not be that he accepted Elton’s bet: if the song topped the charts, Lennon would have to perform with him onstage. In mid-November 1974, the unlikely became reality, and Elton called to remind him of their friendly wager.

Backstage before the concert, Lennon was terrified at what he’d gotten himself into. He not only did not have the backup musicians with whom he’d played a few years before—the Plastic Ono Band—but he feared he would suffer by comparison with Elton, a force of nature onstage. The stage fright soon manifested itself in physical symptoms, as he threw up backstage.

http://justwilliam1959.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/sir-elton-john.jpg
Thoth-duck Elton?

subl1minal
17-03-2010, 11:20 PM
Cobain Murdered by CIA

Why is this thread about Kool Aid, Meth and Jesse? genuine question :o

turquoisefire777
17-03-2010, 11:38 PM
Cobain Murdered by CIA

Why is this thread about Kool Aid, Meth and Jesse? genuine question :o

one thing interconnected to another...and another...and another...

meek
18-03-2010, 12:46 PM
Cobain Murdered by CIA

Why is this thread about Kool Aid, Meth and Jesse? genuine question :o

By weaving these links together using Cobain's death as a focal point one can research and dscover that in Cobains life and in the lives of many others directly connected and tacitly connected to him, there has been a persistent and perpetual program to unravel the moral fabric of civilized society through mind-control, trauma, social destruction and destabilization of each individauls God-given personal value. Who is behind all of this? That is the question that many are seeking to find. From my perspective I believe it is a spiritual matter that extends beyond governmental boundaries or organizational structures. In essence the theme I continually find is "Create an abiding fear that forces people to rellinquish their freedom in exchange for a feeling of safety." This may sound far fetched but its the only way I can make sense of all that I have discovered. And the source of this diabolic plot? I believe it is satan - the Adversary of God and man.

subl1minal
18-03-2010, 01:45 PM
^ Thanks Meek :)

one thing interconnected to another...and another...and another...


Oh right I get ya! Blimey, the rabbit hole is seriously deep on this one..

wyndham
19-03-2010, 05:45 PM
Methamphetamine : Before and After

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/content/images/2008/03/07/yorkslincs_before_after_470_470x303.jpg



http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1374/amywinehouseuf5.jpg
Amy Winehouse: before and after drugs



http://online.wsj.com/media/andreagassi_E_20091109165550.jpg

emerald
19-03-2010, 09:25 PM
FERGIE from BLACK EYED PEAS was allegedly a Meth addict. Interesting how she recovered herself. If she really did...

subl1minal
19-03-2010, 09:41 PM
Head from KoRn, he was a meth addict, until he turned to Christianity and sorted himself out.


Before
http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/brian-head-welch.jpg



After
http://www.christianindex.org/2248.rnskornconversion.jpg.image

schaff
20-03-2010, 10:30 PM
Head from KoRn, he was a meth addict, until he turned to Christianity and sorted himself out.


Before
http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/brian-head-welch.jpg



After
http://www.christianindex.org/2248.rnskornconversion.jpg.image

I followed this as my brother is a massive korn fan what i have seen in the vids on youtube he really comes across as a family man now( thats good)he has now found his true path.

emerald
20-03-2010, 11:14 PM
Somehow he found normality, but he did nothing else than jumping from an illusion - Meth - to another illusion - religion. Like DAVE MUSTAINE. This comparison I find it lame, its like a religion class:
"See? Before he had no god, he was getting drugs, living in sin. But now, he found religion, Christ, he's happy, yeppeeee!"

meek
22-03-2010, 03:23 PM
Somehow he found normality, but he did nothing else than jumping from an illusion - Meth - to another illusion - religion. Like DAVE MUSTAINE. This comparison I find it lame, its like a religion class:
"See? Before he had no god, he was getting drugs, living in sin. But now, he found religion, Christ, he's happy, yeppeeee!"

He had a god before, himself. If his transformation was genuine then he placed his faith in Jesus, the only one who had the power to ransom him from his god (himself), deliver him from the bondage of addiction and set his feet on the path to abundant life.

Hopefully he has truly accepted the life God offers through the Messiah. If so his life with continually bear fruit that remains.

Reality is we all believe in something. But will what you believe in remain true for all eternity? I hope this is the case for Brian Welch (previously head or Korn.)

wyndham
22-03-2010, 07:41 PM
this has got to be the best explanation why Kurt Cobain is dead, imo.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/11/25/kurt_cobain,0.jpg

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http://www.fieldrecords.co.kr/upfile/cover(1225).jpg

Anyone mentioned a Sleater Kinney connection? This band from of all places, Olympia WA and then Portland OR is way too critically acclaimed...

Sleater-Kinney was founded by Corin Tucker and Carrie Brownstein. Tucker was formerly in the influential riot grrrl band Heavens to Betsy, while Brownstein was formerly in the queercore band Excuse 17. They often played at gigs together and formed Sleater-Kinney as a side-project from their respective bands. When Heavens to Betsy and Excuse 17 disbanded, Sleater-Kinney became their primary focus. Janet Weiss (of Quasi) was the band's primary drummer, though Sleater-Kinney has had other drummers throughout its existence, including Lora Macfarlane, Misty Farrell, and Toni Gogin.
-wiki

hunkahunka
26-03-2010, 05:15 AM
check out these very old Oz silent film programming movies from 1914, the first one involving the "making of a servant girl":


Meek posted:


I just found this movie from 1914. It's seems like it would have been a strangely fantastical movie to see back then but that is, of course, until you consider that it may have been used as mind control conditioning that far back.The whole movie is there and you can downlooad it:

The Patchwork Girl of Oz (1914)
video link:
http://www.archive.org/details/PatchworkOZ


And here is the Magic Cloak of Oz from 1914:

http://www.archive.org/details/Magic_Cloak_of_Oz_1914



http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/celebrity/images/Wizard/jr-ozpatchwork.JPG

http://h.imagehost.org/0049/the_magic_cloak.jpg

hunkahunka
27-03-2010, 12:56 AM
check out this information on forced drugging and electroshock experiments that were done on inmates in the Kingston Prison for Women.
Kingston Prison for Women was part of Kingston Penitentiary, and
is right on the coast of the St. Lawrence Seaway in the Thousand Islands
region, not far from Dark Island and Deer Island, etc.

http://stlawrencecruiselines.com/images/map_kar.jpg

http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/history/undergraduate/international/northamerica/kingston-ontario.jpg

http://qnc.queensu.ca/dbimages/46e93f0b42051.jpg
Kingston Prison for Women


Source: Toronto Star (CN ON)
Copyright: 1999, The Toronto Star
Contact: lettertoed@xxxxxxxxxxx
Website: http://www.thestar.com/
Author: Tracey Tyler, Toronto Star Legal Affairs Reporter

PRISONERS USED FOR 'FRIGHTENING' TESTS, NEW PAPERS SHOW

Ottawa approved using inmates to test everything from steroid enemas to
links between height and crime while Canada's prison system operated as a
research lab, federal documents show.

The documents are contained in long-buried government files uncovered in
the wake of a $5 million lawsuit filed by Dorothy Proctor, one of 23
inmates involved in LSD experiments at Kingston's Prison for Women from
1960-63.

Questions have already been raised in Parliament about the use of inmates
in a variety of scientific experiments, revealed after Proctor filed her
lawsuit last year.

But the latest documents suggest the experiments may have been more
widespread and started earlier than first suspected. For example, one
document shows a shipment of LSD arriving at the British Columbia
Penitentiary as early as 1958.

The documents also suggest that inmates were forcibly subjected to
controversial electroshock therapy.

"It is necessary to show force to get her to accept treatment," one
Kingston prison psychiatrist wrote of an electroshock episode with a Prison
for Women inmate for August, 1954. At the time, a report on treatment in
the psychiatric ward was submitted to the warden each month.

"He is very frightened of treatments and very resistive to taking them,"
the doctor wrote in a similar report the next month about a male inmate at
Kingston Penitentiary.

Although Canada's justice minister decided in 1949 that consent from
inmates was unnecessary for electroshock treatment, the correctional
service had a policy by the early 1960s that made it a prerequisite for
scientific experiments.

Researchers, keen to take advantage of the controlled environment prisons
offered, were allowed to use only volunteers. But some critics question
whether prisoners can truly offer free and informed consent to experiments
in inherently coercive settings.

The shock therapy also appeared to go beyond its traditional use in
treating the severely depressed and was given to inmates who were bed
wetters, and suffering from a variety of vaguely defined neuroses and
mental illnesses, the monthly psychiatric reports suggest.

In one case, an "ardent Communist" who became disruptive when asked about
his beliefs may also have received treatment.

Treatments and tests approved by the government spanned 25 years and included:

* In a letter to the Upjohn Company of Canada in 1964, Ottawa gave
permission for Collins Bay inmates to be given steroid enemas every night
for up to three weeks to see whether a colitis drug caused rectal irritation.

* In a 1972 letter, the federal government allowed the Merck Frosst
pharmaceutical company to test a variety of penicillins on inmates in Quebec.

* The federal health department studied aspirin absorption in Canada's
centennial year by giving inmates from Collins Bay rectal suppositories.
Also in 1967, the federal government used inmates to test the effect of
ingesting the amount of pesticides and additives often found in food.
Reports of the studies' progress are contained in the files.

* Researchers at the University of Manitoba, looking for ways to stop blood
disease in newborns, received permission from the federal government to
inject Stony Mountain inmates with red blood cells from umbilical cords in
1964.

Dalhousie University medical school, meanwhile, was interested in finding
out whether height and criminal behaviour were linked. It received
permission to draw blood from tall inmates from Dorchester Penitentiary in
New Brunswick, examining it for chromosomes suspected of causing
impulsiveness. A fingerprint analysis would follow.

* In 1973, a doctor at Collins Bay and one of his students studied the
effect of mind-altering drugs used to control anxiety, but noted for
causing aggressive tendencies. The researchers selected the most aggressive
inmates and measured the effect of the drugs by looking at whether
prisoners engaged in threats and assaults or destroyed prison property.
Results were later published in a Canadian medical journal.

* The staff psychiatrist at Kingston Penitentiary in the 1960s offered
inmates what he called a "cocktail" of orange juice, a chemical stimulant
and a depressant, as part of an effort to get them to "open up" and help
him diagnose underlying causes of depression, according to an undated
transcript of testimony to a parliamentary committee, believed to be from
the 1960s.

* On March 24, 1949, an electroshock machine arrived at Kingston
Penitentiary, ushering in a new era in the treatment of "nervous and mental
disorders." During an initial session, a monthly report says, "a good
seizure was obtained" when 225 volts of electricity surged through one inmate.

At the time, the federal justice department allowed its use without an
inmate's consent as long as prison psychiatrists thought it would be helpful.

Over the next several years, as many as 117 shock treatments a month would
take place at the jail and were credited with ending everything from facial
rashes, suicide attempts, hallucinations, incontinence and depression.

Occasionally, there were complications. In September, 1951, one inmate
turned blue and his heart rate slowed during treatment, requiring
artificial respiration by another electrical jolt to speed it up. His
treatment was "temporarily suspended," a report notes.

A year earlier, the prison psychiatrist noted "a difficulty" with the
machine because it was producing only a mild seizure.

Monthly reports from the Kingston Penitentiary psychiatric ward also,
however, include several references to inmates for whom shock therapy was
discontinued if they were too afraid.

In 1957, the machine's inventor visited the prison and reset it to give
"softer convulsions."

* While federal investigators have acknowledged that LSD was used in a
pilot project at the Kingston Prison for Women from 1960-63, documents
reviewed by The Star suggest the drug might have been used earlier in
British Columbia.

In May, 1958, a psychiatrist and psychologist at the British Columbia
Penitentiary were eager to begin using LSD after learning at an American
Psychological Association conference in San Francisco that it showed
promise in treating alcoholics. They put their request in a May 28 letter
to the medical director of the penitentiary system in Ottawa.

On July 2, 1958, the warden at the B.C. Pen wrote to medical director and
deputy commissioner Dr. Paul Gendreau, notifying him that a shipment of LSD
25 in both pills and small bottles arrived from Montreal's Sandoz
Pharmaceutical Co. "sooner than expected." The drug wasn't illegal in
Canada until 1969.

Medical staff would be able to use the drug on emotionally disturbed
inmates "from both a therapeutic and a research perspective" once a new
psychiatric ward was completed, he said.

It's not clear from the documents whether that actually took place.

Gendreau suggested in other correspondence that he was reluctant to approve
the B.C. project until he checked into a New Brunswick inmate's complaints
that he suffered health problems as a result of LSD therapy in a prison in
the United States.

The use of LSD and shock therapy in the Canadian prison system coincided
with CIA-funded "brainwashing" experiments performed in Montreal at McGill
University's Allan Memorial Institute between 1957 and 1961. However, there
is no evidence the programs were linked.

In the McGill experiments, which were conducted by Dr. Ewen Cameron and
also funded in part by the Canadian government, up to 130 people were given
electroshock, high doses of LSD and subjected to taped messages. At the
time, the Cold War was escalating and researchers were interested in
unlocking possible Soviet strategies for mind control.

In 1988, the U.S. government settled out of court with a group of test
subjects for a total of $750,000. The Canadian government later agreed to a
settlement that paid up to an additional $100,000 per person.

Proctor, 56, blames the Kingston prison program for drug addictions that
ruled her life for 30 years after her release in 1963, after she served a
three-year sentence for stealing a car. She also alleges the drug caused
brain damage.

She is suing retired penitentiary psychiatrist Dr. George Scott, former
prison psychologist Mark Eveson and the now-defunct Institute for
Psychotherapy, a private Kingston clinic operated by Scott where she
alleges some of the experiments took place.

In a statement of claim seeking damages for assault and battery, which
contains allegations not yet proven in court, Proctor says she was used in
LSD experiments and given electroshock therapy against her will as prison
officials searched for a cheap and effective means of behaviour control.

"I was just a biological unit," she said in an interview.

Only 17 when she arrived at the prison, she quickly earned a reputation for
causing trouble, escaping twice by scaling a nine-metre concrete and
barbed-wire wall.

In her statement of claim, Proctor alleges Scott and Eveson administered
LSD experiments in the prison. "So, I went on a trip without my luggage,"
she said in an interview. "I thought I had lost my mind."

Lawyers for Scott and Eveson won't let their clients discuss the case. But
in statements of defence, the two men are adamant that no experiments took
place.

In his statement, Eveson says he knows nothing about Proctor receiving
electroshock therapy. He says his LSD research at the Prison for Women was
intended to be therapeutic, to help inmates with personality disorders. It
was carried out with the inmates' informed consent and according to
accepted medical standards of the time, he adds.

In his statement, Scott, now 84, denies participating in the LSD study, but
says he knew about and endorsed it. Both doctors dispute Proctor's claim
that they should have known about any risks at the time.

Proctor's medical problems, they add, were caused by the result of her
later drug abuse.

As for shock therapy, Scott says he never coerced inmates into it and
denies Proctor ever received it.

Proctor began her fight in 1997, when she wrote to then-solicitor-general
Herb Gray. In an interview, Proctor says she was starting to clean up her
life after decades of living on the streets, hooked on heroin and cocaine
and working as an RCMP informant.

She began to remember what had happened in prison, recalling hallucinations
in which her cell bars turned into snakes. "I was helpless, totally
helpless," she said in an interview. "I couldn't bring my brain back."

Following her 1997 letter, a two-member board was formed and ordered to
investigate. Later that year, board members Marg Benson and Ross Hastings
concluded that up to 23 women, including Proctor, were given LSD in the
study. Only four have been identified because records are missing or
destroyed.

In their report, Benson and Hastings said they weren't convinced the women
were adequately supervised during the study, which they called a "risky
undertaking."

They also concluded that Proctor was justified in claiming she couldn't
give informed consent and that it was wrong that she had once received LSD
while she was in segregation.

Perception disorders stemming from LSD use were first reported in 1958,
they noted, and Proctor's symptoms were "an undeniable example of
substantial, debilitating long-term effects."

But they said it was impossible to confirm or deny the experiment led her
to become hooked on drugs. They were also skeptical about shock therapy
being forced on her.

Still, they recommended the correctional service "make every effort" to
discover who the women were and develop a settlement package.

The service commissioned another study in 1998 by the McGill Centre for
Medicine, Ethics and the Law that concluded further research was needed to
determine whether inmates consented to take LSD.

No consent forms have been found, investigators Norbert Gilmore and
Margaret Somerville noted.

Further study was also needed into whether inmates suffered long-term
effects, they added, recommending a toll-free number be set up to encourage
contact from study participants.

The correctional service has since placed newspapers ads, but moved little
on compensation. Tracking down the women raises privacy issues, because
many may have received pardons or have relatives who are unaware of their
criminal pasts, Commissioner Ole Ingstrup has said.

An internal briefing note in the government files also mentions the
"financial implications" of acting on the recommendations.

Proctor says the government's inaction prompted her to file her suit. "They
could have looked good, paid us off, and we would have went whistling off
into the sunset. But, no. They decided they were going to fight me, but
they picked the wrong one to fight."

Another lawsuit may be filed soon. A 75-year-old grandmother known as Jane
Doe, who alleges she was given LSD and electroshock therapy while an inmate
at the Kingston jail in the 1960s, says she intends to bring a class-action
suit on behalf of other prisoners. She is asking Ontario's Superior Court
to grant her anonymity before she begins.

The question of consent has become key as the issue unfolds.

By the early 1960s, electroshock therapy had become widely accepted by
psychiatrists as a relatively low-risk treatment for a small group of
disorders linked to depression, wrote the McGill investigators Gilmore and
Somerville.

Carefully obtaining written, informed consent from inmates was a
prerequisite for the therapy by that time, they wrote, and it required
explaining the purpose of the treatment along with its potential benefits
and risks.

At 17, Proctor wasn't at the age of consent, and it's unknown whether LSD
treatments might have affected her ability to agree to shock therapy, they
added.

If medical staff were trying to control inmates' behaviour through drug use
and shock therapy, it likely wasn't justified even by the ethical standards
of the time, they wrote.

Even before research guidelines were introduced into the prison system,
general medical research had guidelines. In 1948, the Nuremberg Code was
developed in response to the experimental horrors of Nazi Germany and
required anyone serving as a research subject to give free and informed
consent.

Toronto lawyer James Newland, who represents Proctor and Jane Doe, argues
that inmates are never able to freely give consent because they are locked
in oppressive environments where their well-being depends on measuring up
to the expectations of their keepers.

The problem was also recognized by prison officials as early as 1949.

"No shock treatments were given during May as we are waiting for word from
the Dep't. in regard to the necessity of having signed permission from the
convict that requires treatment," Kingston Penitentiary psychiatrist C. M.
Crawford wrote on June 6, 1949.

"These patients are almost never in a position to say," he added.

Clearly, prison doctors at the time had their hands full. Psychiatric-ward
reports of the era paint a heart-wrenching picture of inmates drinking Fly
Tox and attempting hangings, stuffing their ears with toilet paper or
prying teeth out with a spoon.

"I don't have any sympathy for them (prison doctors)," Proctor says.
"Ethics are ethics. Ethics are a state of mind.

"If you had good intentions and were going to experiment on somebody, you
wouldn't come into (segregation) and (treat) an inmate in that shape. You
would immediately demand their release, get them to hospital and get them
cleaned up, fed and healthy.

"And then you would have a conversation with them about what you wanted to do."

ytch
27-03-2010, 03:33 AM
http://online.wsj.com/media/andreagassi_E_20091109165550.jpg

Brilliant:D!

ichabodius
27-03-2010, 04:46 AM
I have some unanswered questions.

So, who was Amy Bishop's 18 yr. old brother? If Amy Bishop had really killed him like it is stated, why would it be ruled an accident and covered up? Did Amy Bishop really shoot her brother, or is this all a fabrication of some sort? If Amy Bishop didn't kill him, then who did? Why would someone want an 18 yr. old male from Braintree, Massachusetts dead?

She looks like a crazed Emo Phillips:
http://www.mediabistro.com/prnewser/original/emo_philips_old.jpg
Check out his comedic performance regarding university life:
Emo Phillips stand up comedy - YouTube

subl1minal
27-03-2010, 08:56 AM
Somehow he found normality, but he did nothing else than jumping from an illusion - Meth - to another illusion - religion. Like DAVE MUSTAINE. This comparison I find it lame, its like a religion class:
"See? Before he had no god, he was getting drugs, living in sin. But now, he found religion, Christ, he's happy, yeppeeee!"

Yeah but at least he's being a good father to his daughter now, he's clean of drugs, wants to go back to the band Korn. Since their bassist is now a born again Christian.

He even wrote about the Meth addiction in his book and how he had dealers in every country he toured to, he even had it set up so he could have it out in places you'd be put away for life if caught in possesion of it!

So what does that tell you about the Music industry? near enough every band I'm a huge fan of, has had drug problems with someone in their band. Another thing I wanted to point out was he got seriously skinny and looked like he was seriously ill (which he was obviously) but to us Korn fans, we had no idea what was going on, until he left.

One more thing to note, which I find ironic, is Korns new album is titled 'Korn III: Remember Who You Are' sounds like Lawful Rebellion/Freeman on the land.. ;)

I followed this as my brother is a massive korn fan what i have seen in the vids on youtube he really comes across as a family man now( thats good)he has now found his true path.

Exactly, he looks really happy and at peace now, I'm not sure if he's been able to go ahead with it, but he did go out and built a place in Africa to help the children there. I wonder if it got shot down somehow? since he had/has a LOT of money from Korn still.

hunkahunka
28-03-2010, 03:40 PM
the interesting thing about the Shutter Island film is how it was almost deliberately bad. It was not just disappointingly bad. It was big-budget bad.

It was like someone ordered a big load of bad, the purest, highest-grade,
polished-with-expertise bad, and cost was no object. It was a gorgeous
film which somehow managed be visually captivating , until it became
so tedious, tiresome, and cliched that I stopped watching closely
enough to note the next plot twist. I just didn't care enough to try
to figure out what was going on. All of this , when the filmmakers
had picked a sure home-run subject as far as timing and clicking
with the public interest. As evidenced by the over 1 million hits
to this thread alone, there arguably could not have been a more trendy topic
for a film.

Martin Scorsese won the Golden Globe for best director with his previous film
'The Departed', so for him to put out something like Shutter Island took some
doing, and yes, I think it was intentional.
I also think there have been more to the delayed release of this film than just the 'economic climate' that Paramount Pictures alluded to . Though completed, the film was delayed a year from its original release date.

Its almost like the film may have started out as a promising project, and someone high up said 'whoa, nelly. hold your horses. lets think about all this a bit' .

Either that, or maybe (since this forum occasionally allows paranoid speculation)
the film was created to do exactly what it does:
reduce the entire subject of secret mind control experiments to the level of an out-dated schlock-horror B-movie melodrama. To fictionalize the factual,
and turn fact into fiction, and into not particularly good fiction at that. Boring fiction, old fiction, unconvincing , ham-fisted, predictable fiction. Baby-faced Dicaprio meets B-movie bathwater, and somewhere there
the true horror of reality is drained away.

hunkahunka
28-03-2010, 07:13 PM
Movies that Fate has frowned upon

By Bob Tremblay/DAILY NEWS STAFF

Posted Oct 11, 2009 @ 12:01 AM

Last month, the Boston Herald ran an article about the misfortunes associated with the movie "The Zookeeper" while it was being filmed in Boston. These included elevated levels of carbon monoxide in the Liberty Hotel that forced cast, crew and two monkeys outside, the death of a giraffe after completing its final scene and the injury of man who snuck onto the movie set and fell into a gorilla pit that was converted into a lion's den for the film

The film's worst misfortune, however, may be the fact that the movie stars Kevin James, who this year is sure to receive a Razzie nomination for worst performance by an actor in "Paul Blart: Mall Cop."

But many more movies have faced much worse adversity. In fact, bad luck followed some films so closely they could easily be called cursed. Listed below are 10 movies the Fickle Finger of Fate gave a thumbs down to with disastrous results. For convenience sake, they are listed in alphabetical order.

"ATUK"

This fish-out-of-water comedy about an Eskimo coming to New York became no laughing matter for four actors who pondered playing the lead role. They all died prematurely John Belushi of a drug overdose at 33, Sam Kinison in a car crash at 38, John Candy of a heart attack at 43 and Chris Farley of a drug overdose at 33. The movie has yet to be filmed and may never get made. Can't imagine why.

"THE CONQUEROR" (1956)

This film was made, though it shouldn't have been. Whoever thought of casting John Wayne as Genghis Khan should have been exiled to the Mongolian Desert. And whoever thought of filming the movie downwind from a nuclear test site should have been strapped to a nuclear warhead and launched into space. As a result of this foolhardy film location, cast and crew were exposed to nuclear fallout.

Could it just be a coincidence that 91 out of the 220 people associated with the movie developed cancer and 46 later died from the disease? The dead include Wayne (lung and stomach cancer), Susan Hayward (brain cancer), Agnes Moorehead (uterine cancer) and director Dick Powell (cancer of the lymph glands).

The Web site Cracked notes that cast member Pedro Armendariz committed suicide after he discovered his cancer was terminal.

"THE CROW" (1994)

The film's star, Brandon Lee, died at 28 from an accidental gunshot during the scene in which his character is murdered. The film was released after his death. His movie star father, Bruce Lee, died at 32 of a brain hemorrhage attributed to a pill he had taken for a headache. Other causes of death have been proposed.

http://www.wickedlocal.com/medfield/archive/x1128405813/g12c000459409a64ec5538516e4d2610b71dd8c15c3831f.jp g
Brandon Lee in "The Crow."


"THE MESSENGER"

Here's another movie that never was completed for the simple reason that 27 cast and crew members, including director Sergei Bodrov Jr., were killed following a rock and ice slide in Russia in 2002. Bodrov had just finished his second day of shooting when the avalanche struck, killing a total of 125 people.

"THE MISFITS" (1961)

Talk about starcrossed films. This movie represents the last completed movie of Clark Gable, who died of a heart attack at 59 shortly after its completion, and Marilyn Monroe, who later died of a drug overdose at 36. Monroe's marriage to the film's screenwriter, Arthur Miller, dissolved during the shoot as well. Like Gable, co-stars Montgomery Clift and Thelma Ritter later died of heart ailments Clift at 45, Ritter at 66.

"THE OMEN" (1976)

The Cracked Web site gives this film about the spawn of Satan the Oscar for cursed productions. An article by Danny Harkins notes that during filming, the planes of scriptwriter David Seltzer, star Gregory Peck and executive producer Mace Neufeld were all struck by lightning. Also, during production, the hotel in England where Neufeld was staying was bombed by the IRA as was a restaurant where director Richard Donner and cast were scheduled to eat. No one died.

"An assistant to special effects consultant John Richardson...wasn't quite as lucky," Harkins writes. "On Friday the 13th of August 1976, Richardson crashed his car in Holland. His assistant was sliced through by the car's front wheel. Scrambling out of the wreckage, Richardson looked up and saw a road sign: Ommen, 66.6km."

Harkins adds that that one of the film's tiger handlers died, Peck's son later shot himself and a plane scheduled for use in the film, which was rescheduled and used for a commercial flight instead, crashed and killed everyone on board.

The 2006 remake was only cursed by awfulness.

"POLTERGEIST"

Four of the trilogy's actors died prematurely within six years of the first film's release in 1982. They include Dominique Dunne, 22, who was strangled to death by an ex-boyfriend in 1982; Heather O'Rourke, 12, who died of cardiopulmonary arrest and intestinal stenosis before the third film was released in 1988; Julian Beck, 60, who died of stomach cancer in 1985; and Will Sampson, 53, who died of post-operative kidney failure and pre-operative malnutrition problems in 1987.

"SUPERMAN"

This film series and its TV predecessor produced its share of tragic events and early deaths. George Reeves, who played the Man of Steel on the 1950s television show, died at 45 in 1959 of an apparent suicide. Some believe his death was a homicide. Christopher Reeve, who played the title role on film beginning in 1978, was paralyzed in a horse riding accident in 1995 and died of a heart attack at 52 in 2004. Richard Pryor, who appeared in "Superman III," developed multiple sclerosis and died at 65 in 2005. Marlon Brando, who played Superman's father in the films, later ballooned into a human zeppelin and died at 80 of pulmonary fibrosis in 2004.

The similarity in the last names of the Superman actors is freaky enough. You may also wonder what happened to the career of Brandon Routh who played the superhero in 2006's "Superman Returns."

"TWILIGHT ZONE: THE MOVIE" (1983)

One of the film's stars, Vic Morrow, and two child actors were killed while filming a Vietnam flashback sequence in one of the movie's episodes. An errant explosion sent a helicopter careening out of control, decapitating Morrow and one of the children. The second child was crushed to death by the helicopter's skid.

"THE WIZARD OF OZ" (1939)

This beloved classic wasn't particularly kind to Buddy Ebsen and Margaret Hamilton. The former was hospitalized and almost died from inhaling the aluminum powder used in his makeup for the role of The Tin Man. As a result of his illness, the role went to Jack Haley, whose makeup was changed to a more benign aluminum paste.

Hamilton, meanwhile, suffered severe burns during her fiery exit from Munchkinland when a trap door malfunctioned. She had to recuperate in a hospital and at home for six weeks after the accident before returning to the set to complete her work on film.

At least Hamilton could look back on "Oz" with some self-deprecating humor.

"I was in a need of money at the time, and my agent called," Hamilton recalled in an interview. "I said, 'Yes?' and he said 'Maggie, they want you to play a part on "The Wizard." I said to myself, 'Oh boy, "The Wizard of Oz"! That has been my favorite book since I was four.' And I asked him what part, and he said 'The Witch' and I said 'The Witch?!' and he said 'What else?"'

Other films beset by tragedy and/or misfortune include "Apocalypse Now" (1979), "The Dark Knight" (2008), "The Exorcist" (1973), "The Passion of the Christ" (2004), "Rosemary's Baby" (1968) and "Soul Men" (2008).

I'm sure there are more examples and I'm also sure that some of the aforementioned curses have apocryphal elements. But why let facts get in the way of a good whammy?

hunkahunka
28-03-2010, 07:43 PM
http://lookpic.com/i/497/Mtb7MuP3.jpeg

http://www.nationallampoon.com/files/2009/06/11-the-crow.png


Here are some interesting facts:

Actor Brandon Lee, son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee, was accidentally shot
and killed, while filming on the set of the 1994 film 'The Crow'.

Brandon Lee was shot March 31st, 1993, almost exactly a year before Cobain was shot, April 5, 1994.

Brandon Lee's funeral was in Seattle, Washington, and Lee grew up in Seattle.

The film http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crow_%281994_film%29 was about a murdered rock musician who is revived
from the dead to take revenge on the murderer of himself and his fiance. The film was released May 13, 1994, the year of Cobain's death, one month after Cobain was shot.

The Crow (1994 film)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Crow is a 1994 American action-thriller film adaptation of the 1989 comic book of the same name by James O'Barr. The film was adapted by David J. Schow and John Shirley, and directed by Alex Proyas.

The Crow stars Brandon Lee, in his final film, as Eric Draven, a rock musician who is revived from the dead to avenge his own murder, as well as that of his fiancée. While filming during the last weeks of production, Lee was killed when a dummy bullet, which had become lodged in one of the prop guns, was shot into his abdomen by a squib load. Despite the incident, the film was a critical and commercial success after its release, opening at the top of the box office.
Followed by The Crow: City of Angels



Death

On March 31, 1993, while making The Crow, the crew filmed a scene in which Lee's character walked into his apartment and discovered his girlfriend being beaten and raped by thugs. Actor Michael Massee, who played one of the film's villains, was supposed to fire a gun at Lee as he walked onto the scene.

Because the movie's second unit team was running behind schedule, they decided to make dummy cartridges (cartridges that outwardly appear to be functional but contain no gunpowder or primer) from real cartridges by pulling out the bullet, dumping out the gunpowder and reinserting the bullet. However, the team neglected to consider that the primer was still live and, if fired, could still produce enough force to push the bullet off the end of the cartridge. At some point prior to the fatal scene, the live primer on one of the constructed dummy rounds was discharged by persons unknown while in the pistol's chamber. It caused a squib load, in which the primer provided just enough force to push the bullet out of the cartridge and into the barrel of the revolver.

The malfunction went unnoticed by the crew, and the same gun was used again later to shoot the death scene, having been re-loaded with low-power black powder blanks. However, the squib load was still lodged in the barrel, and was propelled by the blank cartridge's explosion out of the barrel and into Lee's body. Although the bullet was traveling much slower than a normally fired bullet would be, the bullet's large size and the point-blank firing distance made it powerful enough to fatally wound Lee.

When the blank was fired, the bullet shot out and hit Lee in the abdomen and lodged in his spine. He fell down instantly, and director Alex Proyas shouted "Cut!". When Lee did not respond, the cast and crew rushed to him and found that he was wounded. He was immediately rushed to the hospital. Lee’s heart stopped once on the set and once in the ambulance. Following a six-hour operation to remove the bullet, and despite being given 60 pints (or 28 liters) of blood[citation needed], Lee was pronounced dead at 1:03 pm on March 31, 1993. He was 28 years old.

Lee's body was flown to Jacksonville, North Carolina, where an autopsy was performed. He was then flown to Seattle, Washington, where he was buried next to his father at Lake View cemetery, a cemetery plot that Linda Lee Cadwell had originally reserved for herself.

The private funeral took place in Seattle, Washington, on April 3, 1993. Only close family and friends were permitted to attend, including Lee's immediate family as well as fiancée Eliza Hutton's parents and younger sister, who flew in from Missouri. The following day, 250 of Lee's family, friends and business associates attended a memorial service in Los Angeles, held at the house of actress Polly Bergen

hunkahunka
28-03-2010, 08:04 PM
Question:

promising young 28 year old actor dies during filming of movie based on comic book, the movie is completed anyway, released a year later, and sales flourish on the publicity surrounding the young star's death. Who is it, and what film and comic book were involved?

(a) actor: Brandon Lee, 28.
film : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crow_%281994_film%29
based on The Crow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia comic books

(b) actor: Heath Ledger, 28.
film : 'The Dark Knight (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,
based on the Batman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia comic books.

(c) both of the above

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Brandon-Lee---The-Crow-Photograph-C10104025.jpeg
Brandon Lee, in 'The Crow'

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3079/2771408443_3292e78110.jpg
Heath Ledger, in 'The Dark Knight'


http://www.kkuodesign.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/the-dark-knight1.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3166/thecrowscoremn2.jpg

Answer:

(c) both of the above

hunkahunka
28-03-2010, 08:37 PM
video:

The Joker V The Crow Trailer #1 (Heath Ledger V Brandon Lee)
The Joker V The Crow Trailer #1 (Heath Ledger V Brandon Lee) - YouTube

The Crow (1994) - Theatrical Trailer
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

hunkahunka
28-03-2010, 09:36 PM
I have long suspected that superhero 'alter-egos' like Batman, Superman, Spiderman etc.who are always normal guys by day. and transform into alternate personalities by night, are 'secret identity' metaphors for secret police assets . such as those people who are used by MI6 and the CIA for secret operations. Superheroes have license to operate secretly, with no rules governing their conduct, commit astonishing acts of violence and destruction 'for the greater good', and usually answer to no one but themselves, due to their identities being hidden and no one knowing who did what. Sounds like a black-ops assassin to me.

This 'superhero' archetype may be the intentionally created 'role modeling' that is being used during the programming of mk agents/killers. The 'secret hero' archetype could also be a valuable preconditioning/pre-recruitment tool in that the films 'plant the seeds' in the minds of children, which sprout later
when the youth is recruited to actually live 'something that he'd/she'd always wanted to do'.
Be it police, army, or even intelligence agency work, the 'secret super hero' preconditioning and desensitization to violence is there, so that another generation of kids will be ready to wear the riot gear or kill someone, under the cloak of anonymity.

The 1994 film 'The Crow', starring Brandon Lee, was followed by the 1996 sequel 'The Crow: City of Angels'.
The entire film is available on Youtube here:
The Crow: City of angels 1/10 - YouTube

What is interesting is the plot line, and how it resembles near-death trauma-induced multiple personality/alter egos.

check out the plot line for 'The Crow: City of Angels':


Plot

The setting is Los Angeles, where a drug kingpin controls all. Ashe and his eight year-old son Danny witness a gang of thugs murdering a fellow drug dealer, who then capture Ashe and Danny. Ashe and Danny are viciously beaten and terrorized, with Ashe pleading for Danny's life, and then tied together and shot multiple times, and their bodies thrown off of a pier.

A year later, a young woman named Sarah has been having dreams about Ashe and Danny. Sarah is visited in her apartment by by a large crow.
Sarah follows this crow to the harbor and witnesses Ashe's resurrection and frantic escape from his watery grave. She informs him that she knows what he has come back to do—he has been resurrected by the crow, so he can have a chance to go after those who killed him and Danny.
Sarah outfits Ashe with the Crow facial paint, and Ashe acquires black clothing and a high-performance motorcycle. With the guidance of the crow, Ashe starts killing Judah's henchmen, one by one.

Is this not the perfect near-death trauma programming scenario, whereby
an assassin can be created via near-death trauma? In this film , the main character is shot by drug dealers with his son, purportedly killed. and then brought back to life (which we all know is impossible) , and sent to kill.

ie: the prospect is traumatized to near death until his personality splits, and
he enters an 'alter' state. He is then told that he has died, but is being
resurrected from death to seek revenge on either his killers or the killers of his loved ones,
and sent 'on assignment' to kill whoever he is programmed to kill.

So, this film 'The Crow: City of Angels' may be:

a] some sort of disclosure, for reasons upon which we can only speculate
b] some sort of programming tool
c] some sort of 'preconditioning' device
d] all of the above.
Why else would it be made?

re: block voting at the box office

How many people are aware of what the term 'blockbuster' refers to? Or in
an election, what 'block voting' refers to? Both terms refer to demographic
categories or 'blocks'.

One thing irritating about these summer 'fantasy films'
that we are told are 'summer blockbusters' (ie: they break into several of what are known as viewer-demographic blocks) is that adults are supposed to enjoy them, but somehow I never do enjoy them.

Could it be because I'm all growed up now and I know that people don't fly around in makeup and come back from the dead etc.? So put me in the 'adult male viewer' block.
The 'summer blockbuster' purportedly ropes in millions like me, who enjoy shelling out money for movies that they don't particularly enjoy watching.

The same summer blockbuster is busy, also, busting into other demographic
blocks. Such as the 'children on summer vacation' block, otherwise
known as the 'young kids who find the film more violent and frightening than they would prefer and would enjoy eight bucks worth of fries and Dairy Queen a hell of a lot more than eight bucks worth of scary music, psychosis, and gore, but had to go see it because everyone else was going' block.

Or the 'adult female viewers' block, otherwise known as the 'shit, we're stuck with the kids, lets all see a movie, at least this guys cute, my favorite actress is it, and its an all-ages film' block. Or the 'black viewer' block, which is sometimes catered to with a black person intentionally cast in a flattering role.

These summer fantasy films are calculated and cast to pull in the largest swathe possible from all different age, gender, and racial demographics, and I always find them completely useless.

I digress.

I think films like the 'Dark Knight' and 'The Crow' are based on alter programming, and for some reason this programming is being marketed on as demographically massive a scale as possible.
The question that I always come back to is: Why?

hunkahunka
28-03-2010, 09:46 PM
here is the trailer for the 'comic book film' The crow "city of angels", the 1996 sequel to the
original 1994 Brandon Lee film:

The crow "city of angels" trailer - YouTube

notice the child's voiceover introduction.

subl1minal
29-03-2010, 01:34 PM
It's amazing to see the similarities in Brandon and Heaths looks/characters. I love Heaths rendition of the Joker, was brilliant.

wyndham
29-03-2010, 05:13 PM
the interesting thing about the Shutter Island film is how it was almost deliberately bad. It was not just disappointingly bad. It was big-budget bad.

It was like someone ordered a big load of bad, the purest, highest-grade,
polished-with-expertise bad, and cost was no object. It was a gorgeous
film which somehow managed be visually captivating , until it became
so tedious, tiresome, and cliched that I stopped watching closely
enough to note the next plot twist. I just didn't care enough to try
to figure out what was going on. All of this , when the filmmakers
had picked a sure home-run subject as far as timing and clicking
with the public interest. As evidenced by the over 1 million hits
to this thread alone, there arguably could not have been a more trendy topic
for a film.

Martin Scorsese won the Golden Globe for best director with his previous film
'The Departed', so for him to put out something like Shutter Island took some
doing, and yes, I think it was intentional.
I also think there have been more to the delayed release of this film than just the 'economic climate' that Paramount Pictures alluded to . Though completed, the film was delayed a year from its original release date.

Its almost like the film may have started out as a promising project, and someone high up said 'whoa, nelly. hold your horses. lets think about all this a bit' .

Either that, or maybe (since this forum occasionally allows paranoid speculation)
the film was created to do exactly what it does:
reduce the entire subject of secret mind control experiments to the level of an out-dated schlock-horror B-movie melodrama. To fictionalize the factual,
and turn fact into fiction, and into not particularly good fiction at that. Boring fiction, old fiction, unconvincing , ham-fisted, predictable fiction. Baby-faced Dicaprio meets B-movie bathwater, and somewhere there
the true horror of reality is drained away.

that is the m.o. of hollywood and the media - mcluhan called it 'patterned information'...medium, message, release date, the fact that it made no money and no one will be able to finance another one like it...

when Ang Lee won for Brokeback Mountain he thanked every one for allowing him to be a 'change agent'...he said it, on live tv...there is nothing spontaneous, natural or truthful in any objective way about the media...

greydove
29-03-2010, 10:19 PM
I have long suspected that superhero 'alter-egos' like Batman, Superman, Spiderman etc.who are always normal guys by day. and transform into alternate personalities by night, are 'secret identity' metaphors for secret police assets . such as those people who are used by MI6 and the CIA for secret operations. Superheroes have license to operate secretly, with no rules governing their conduct, commit astonishing acts of violence and destruction 'for the greater good', and usually answer to no one but themselves, due to their identities being hidden and no one knowing who did what. Sounds like a black-ops assassin to me.

This 'superhero' archetype may be the intentionally created 'role modeling' that is being used during the programming of mk agents/killers. The 'secret hero' archetype could also be a valuable preconditioning/pre-recruitment tool in that the films 'plant the seeds' in the minds of children, which sprout later
when the youth is recruited to actually live 'something that he'd/she'd always wanted to do'.
Be it police, army, or even intelligence agency work, the 'secret super hero' preconditioning and desensitization to violence is there, so that another generation of kids will be ready to wear the riot gear or kill someone, under the cloak of anonymity.

The 1994 film 'The Crow', starring Brandon Lee, was followed by the 1996 sequel 'The Crow: City of Angels'.
The entire film is available on Youtube here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btyhro_D8Y4

What is interesting is the plot line, and how it resembles near-death trauma-induced multiple personality/alter egos.

check out the plot line for 'The Crow: City of Angels':

.

Is this not the perfect near-death trauma programming scenario, whereby
an assassin can be created via near-death trauma? In this film , the main character is shot by drug dealers with his son, purportedly killed. and then brought back to life (which we all know is impossible) , and sent to kill.

ie: the prospect is traumatized to near death until his personality splits, and
he enters an 'alter' state. He is then told that he has died, but is being
resurrected from death to seek revenge on either his killers or the killers of his loved ones,
and sent 'on assignment' to kill whoever he is programmed to kill.

So, this film 'The Crow: City of Angels' may be:

a] some sort of disclosure, for reasons upon which we can only speculate
b] some sort of programming tool
c] some sort of 'preconditioning' device
d] all of the above.
Why else would it be made?

re: block voting at the box office

How many people are aware of what the term 'blockbuster' refers to? Or in
an election, what 'block voting' refers to? Both terms refer to demographic
categories or 'blocks'.

One thing irritating about these summer 'fantasy films'
that we are told are 'summer blockbusters' (ie: they break into several of what are known as viewer-demographic blocks) is that adults are supposed to enjoy them, but somehow I never do enjoy them.

Could it be because I'm all growed up now and I know that people don't fly around in makeup and come back from the dead etc.? So put me in the 'adult male viewer' block.
The 'summer blockbuster' purportedly ropes in millions like me, who enjoy shelling out money for movies that they don't particularly enjoy watching.

The same summer blockbuster is busy, also, busting into other demographic
blocks. Such as the 'children on summer vacation' block, otherwise
known as the 'young kids who find the film more violent and frightening than they would prefer and would enjoy eight bucks worth of fries and Dairy Queen a hell of a lot more than eight bucks worth of scary music, psychosis, and gore, but had to go see it because everyone else was going' block.

Or the 'adult female viewers' block, otherwise known as the 'shit, we're stuck with the kids, lets all see a movie, at least this guys cute, my favorite actress is it, and its an all-ages film' block. Or the 'black viewer' block, which is sometimes catered to with a black person intentionally cast in a flattering role.

These summer fantasy films are calculated and cast to pull in the largest swathe possible from all different age, gender, and racial demographics, and I always find them completely useless.

I digress.

I think films like the 'Dark Knight' and 'The Crow' are based on alter programming, and for some reason this programming is being marketed on as demographically massive a scale as possible.
The question that I always come back to is: Why?

I gues there are more 'sleepers' in the population than we are aware of. One thing I do know is that these movies are always heavily marketed, such that everyone you ever knew, and his brother HAS to see it. Even your grandmother saw it. Plus, they are always re-run for years on television even when other movies could be shown.

I always thought the term 'blockbuster' referred to a stone mason :eek::rolleyes:

meek
30-03-2010, 04:10 PM
I gues there are more 'sleepers' in the population than we are aware of. One thing I do know is that these movies are always heavily marketed, such that everyone you ever knew, and his brother HAS to see it. Even your grandmother saw it. Plus, they are always re-run for years on television even when other movies could be shown.

I always thought the term 'blockbuster' referred to a stone mason :eek::rolleyes:

Or a freemason but lets not even go there...

meek
31-03-2010, 04:23 PM
Jimi Hendrix plays at the Masonic Temple in Detroit on Feb. 23, 1968 during the first Experience tour of the United States.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/119/308374188_38d5df8d80.jpg

The Jimi Hendrix Experience played its first concert in Detroit on February 23, 1968 at Masonic Temple.

links at flickr.com with other pics too:

Jimi Hendrix plays at the Masonic Temple in Detroit on Feb. 23, 1968 during the first Experience tour of the United States. | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
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Flickr: Page Not Found
Jimi Hendrix Backstage in Detroit, Masonic Temple, 23 February 1968 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

wyndham
31-03-2010, 05:56 PM
I gues there are more 'sleepers' in the population than we are aware of. One thing I do know is that these movies are always heavily marketed, such that everyone you ever knew, and his brother HAS to see it. Even your grandmother saw it. Plus, they are always re-run for years on television even when other movies could be shown.

I always thought the term 'blockbuster' referred to a stone mason :eek::rolleyes:


Dark Knight was like this, Batman and the DA were totally weak characters compared to The Joker played by Heath Ledger...

Take any Hollywood movie and it is pure psychological warfare...watched the Wrestler with Mickey Rourke...the story takes a normal turn in the middle and then goes back to hell...these people are only capable of this type of mean...

hunkahunka
01-04-2010, 01:00 AM
Here's another weird twist related to Kurt Cobain.

Cobain was given the lyrics to Smells Like Teen Spirit and to Come As You Are, in 1986, with the directions that the lyrics to Smells Like Teen Spirit be put to the main riff from the song 'More than a Feeling', by Boston.

link:
http://www.topix.com/forum/who/nirvana/TAP8NSTHB7L2O1R6T

video: Kurt Cobain reveals that the true origin of Smells Like Teen Spirit
was 'More than a Feeling', (complete with a cameo, at the beginning, from Nirvana biographer Everett True describing the song as "More than a Feeling,
with the lyrics changed." (Cobain lied that Smells Like Teen Spirit was originally inspired by an obscure 'Pixies' song, but this video reveals the truth, just as the original writer of the lyrics has said all along)

Nirvana - More than A Feeling / Teen Spirit - YouTube


In an eerie coincidence, it turns out that the singer of More than a Feeling, Boston's Brad Delp (from Danvers, Massachusetts) , also purportedly committed suicide, intentionally using noxious fumes from 2 barbecues indoors, and leaving a suicide note:

http://lineout.thestranger.com/files/2007/03/10delp.jpg



Bradley E. Delp (June 12, 1951 – March 9, 2007) was an American musician, best known as the lead vocalist of the rock band Boston. Delp was known for his high range.

Early life

Delp was born on June 12, 1951 in Danvers, Massachusetts[1] to French Canadian immigrants. While his father played fiddle at home, Delp was inspired after seeing The Beatles perform on The Ed Sullivan Show in 1964 and he started to learn guitar. He saw The Beatles live at Suffolk Downs in East Boston on August 18, 1966

Death

On March 9, 2007, Delp was found dead in his home in Atkinson, New Hampshire.[4] Delp, who was 55, died from the smoke of two charcoal grills he lit inside his sealed bathroom. He was found by his fiancee Pamela Sullivan lying on a pillow on his bathroom floor with a suicide note pinned to his shirt stating that he was a "lonely soul." The official cause of death was listed as carbon monoxide poisoning.[5][6] Delp was known for his considerate nature and had left a note on the front door of his house warning that there would be carbon monoxide present. That day, the official web site for the band was taken down and replaced with the statement: "We've just lost the nicest guy in rock and roll."

Delp left private notes to all his family members and a public note that read: "Mr. Brad Delp. Je suis une âme solitaire. (French portion translates as "I am a lonely soul.")[7][8][9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Delp

what makes me suspicious is that Delp was engaged to be married in six months.

hunkahunka
01-04-2010, 05:40 PM
I gues there are more 'sleepers' in the population than we are aware of. One thing I do know is that these movies are always heavily marketed, such that everyone you ever knew, and his brother HAS to see it. Even your grandmother saw it. Plus, they are always re-run for years on television even when other movies could be shown.


what I hate about them is that most of these animated or fantasy summer blockbusters are concocted to appeal to all ages and all genres , and end up
being nothing but a patchwork of different films.
They often try to be, all at the same time:

1. a childrens comic-book/animation dream come true (with spinoff toys)
2. a violent adult action movie
3. an intellectual whodunnit/spy/crime movie
4. a women's summer romance movie: ie: beefcake meets cheesecake
5. a horror movie with special effects and plenty of blood
6. a sci-fi/fantasy adventure
7. a nostalgic look back at the comic books/heroes of yesteryear (ie: Dick Tracy, Batman, Superman,
Spiderman etc. to get a chunk of the seniors in)

So what you end up with is these annual summer all-ages, all-things-to-all-people patchwork blobs of pretentious, confusing garbage that achieve none of the above. Its like the same multiple-personalitied, multiple-genre farce rolled out year after year. Nothing but a marketing scheme.

dezkillaz
02-04-2010, 05:57 PM
A friend sent me this page, among some shitty informations some have been discussed here and there in the thread, don't mess with Don King or Woody Harrelson's Dad (Similar to Anthony Kiedis of Red Hot Chili Peppers )

Source : "http://ratenumone.blogspot.com/2010/04/hollywoods-15-worst-kept-secrets.html"

"Hollywood gossip is something that has become so pervasive in our culture that we tend to take it all for granted. Whether we tend to listen to it all or shun it like the plague, we end up hearing more than our fair share, and stowing it away in memory without even realizing it. Sometimes, the really good gossip slips through the mainstream and get slowly forgotten by the few people that ever knew about it to begin with. These are some of those bits of information; these are 15 of Hollywood’s worst kept secrets.


1 - Tim Allen Served Time

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_oR3w8KSV5Ig/S7RD80880dI/AAAAAAAABAE/EeXFjyP-s_g/image_thumb%5B3%5D.png?imgmax=800

Tim “the Tool Man” Taylor of Home Improvement fame was supposed to be the all-American dad — one of the good guys. He was your average Joe who spent more time in the garage than anywhere else, had a loving wife and a house full of kids that he had to teach the ways of the world. What Tim Allen’s character never taught his kids on the show, however, was how to get caught in an airport, smuggling over 1.4 pounds of cocaine in his luggage. This was in 1978, and he plea-bargained a potential life-sentence down to a few years by giving away the names of his suppliers, and got out on parole 28 months later.


2 - Silvester Stallone Starred in a Porn Movie

The trailer above was made back in 1970, a full six years before Stallone would become Rocky, and it was originally released under the title The Party at Kitty and Stud’s. Once Rocky broke the box office, the movie was re-released as The Italian Stallion in an effort to grab more sales. When asked about the movie later, Stallone said that he was “starving” when he made it, and that he was “desperate.” You don’t have to play coy with us, Sly.


3 - Jack Nicholson’s “Sister” Was His Mother

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_oR3w8KSV5Ig/S7REAXQEICI/AAAAAAAABAU/IhOuyMjJNaM/image_thumb%5B5%5D.png?imgmax=800

Jack Nicholson, one of Hollywood’s greats, was born in 1936. Most of us know the little trivia tidbit that he was born the son of a showgirl, but nobody ever seems to realize or remember that the showgirl he was born to wasn’t the same woman he called “mom” all his life. His grandmother insisted on taking the him and raising him as her own, to allow his mother (a bit of a floozy) to continue her work. His real mother became his sister overnight, and nobody ever told him — until a journalist from Time magazine broke the silence and informed him during an interview in 1974. By that time, both women had already passed away.


4 - Eric Stoltz Was the Original Marty McFly

Eric Stoltz hasn’t spent a great deal of time in the limelight, but some of us do still remember some pretty great roles of his; roles like Martin Brundle in The Fly II, Danny in Memphis Belle, Simon in The Prophecy and our favorite, Lance in Pulp Fiction. Now he’s back in the spotlight with his role as Daniel Graystone in SyFy’s new BSG precursor, Caprica. Inventing the Cylons is a pretty good bullet point on any guy’s resume, but back in 1985 he was still just a newbie on set, and Robet Zemeckis booted him from the role of Marty McFly after six weeks of filming when Michael J. Fox agreed to take the part.


5 - Don King Killed Two Men, Did Time

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_oR3w8KSV5Ig/S7REIE1yrgI/AAAAAAAABAk/r75KK2tDZNM/image_thumb%5B11%5D.png?imgmax=800

Don King gets a lot of press for being, well, Don King. He’s got the support of some heavy-hitters (pun intended), but he’s also come to be known as something of a bastard by those who know him best. One of the little stories that tends to get forgotten involves two incidents in King’s past: he shot one guy in the back as he was trying to rob one of his gambling houses back in 1953, and then stomped another guy to death because he owed him $600. Nice guy, eh?


6 - Winona Ryder is Naturally Blonde

You gotta love Winona. She’s the bad girl who’s not the bad girl; she’s cute, bubbly, dark, light, shoplifts with the best (and worst) of ‘em and rolls with the punches. She played roles in some of the best movies of our time, including Edward Scissorhands and BeatleJuice. What most of us never stop to think about, given the fact that she’s nearly always appeared as a brunette (and a good one at that), is that Winona is actually a blonde. For those who never had an inkling, watching Edward Scissorhands again with this knowledge is like flipping the world upside-down.


7 - Nicole Richie’s Real Dad Was a Member of Lionel’s Band

Nicole Ritchie being Lionel Ritchie’s kid was always one of those things you just tend to forget about. The names match up, but little else does, and we sort of just make it work in our heads. Most people never stop to question it, and when they do, they find ways to justify it in their heads that they’re father/daughter instead of checking to be sure. Fact is, Nicole is Lionel’s adopted daughter; her mother was a bit of a deadbeat who worked wardrobe for Prince, and her biological father was actually a former percussionist in Lionel’s own band.


8 - Janet Jackson Was Secretly Married for Eight Years

People elope all the time; it’s much more common than most of us realize. When an individual as famous as Janet Jackson does it, and manages to keep it a secret for eight years; well that’s an accomplishment. Apparently she had to keep her marriage a complete secret because she wanted to keep it from her father, who we all know is not the greatest guy on earth. She and her husband, Rene Elizondo, had to act like “close friends” the entire time. It was his hands in the photo shoot above. In 2000, Rene had officially had enough of the secret life, and since Janet wouldn’t budge, he filed for divorce. It got pretty ugly after that point, and since he was suing her for millions, we’re pretty sure her father found out anyway.


9 - Charlize Theron Watched Her Mother Kill Her Father

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_oR3w8KSV5Ig/S7REZv_dboI/AAAAAAAABBQ/orMHzthwtGo/image_thumb%5B23%5D.png?imgmax=800

Charlize Theron is South African by birth, and lived there her entire young life. She led a somewhat normal life into her pre-teens, but then things changed a bit. Her father was an abusive alcoholic, and her mother was the chief punching bag around the house. When Charlize was 15, her father came home especially drunk one night. A scuffle broke out and she witnessed her mother pull a gun and shoot her dad dead. At least this makes it a bit easier to understand how she can play such messed up roles so well — and if the picture of her from Monster scared you a bit, here’s a nicer one to reset the memory.


10 -Tobey Maguire’s Father Is a Convicted Bank Robber

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_oR3w8KSV5Ig/S7REdtBE0yI/AAAAAAAABBc/qo1csiyxevk/image_thumb%5B25%5D.png?imgmax=800

Tobey Maguire, born Tobias Vincent Maguire, was named partly after his father, Vincent. When Tobey was a struggling teen actor back in 1993, his dad was a struggling regular Joe. A regular Joe who got the hair-brained idea in his head to rob a bank in Reseda, California. The irony screams on this one, and Tobey has tried his hardest to keep this one of the least talked about topics in his life. If only he had been Spider Man a decade earlier, he could have stopped the whole thing from ever happening.


11 - Mark Wahlberg’s Living on Borrowed Time

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_oR3w8KSV5Ig/S7REh5yveEI/AAAAAAAABBk/Kn2eYjyYHR4/image_thumb%5B27%5D.png?imgmax=800

It’s pretty common knowledge that Mark Wahlberg is either blessed or just among the luckiest guys on earth by natural circumstances. Either way you cut it, the guy has made out pretty well time after time, despite beginning his public life as Marky Mark (an unforgivable sin). What most people don’t know is that the morning of September 11, 2001, Wahlberg was a ticket-holding passenger on one of the planes that struck the World Trade Center. He, on the other hand, was miles away attending a film festival in Toronto. He was invited at the very last minute by some friends who happened to be there, and he missed his flight. Lucky is an understatement for this guy.


12 - Oprah Had a Baby When She Was 14

Oprah is known for many things, but having a kid at 14 is not one of them. Apparently she was a bit of an underaged harlot, and told her best friend at the time that she had no idea who the father could have been, since the list of possible donors was relentlessly long. Really Oprah? We always thought the whole 9000 Penises bit felt a little too natural.


13 - Alanis Morissette Likely Wrote “You Oughta Know” About Dave Coulier

In 1993, Dave Coulier was Uncle Joey on Full House, and Alanis Morisette was just getting her feet under her in the music business. Somehow, they started dating. The relationship went pretty sour due to work schedules and some bad communication, among other things (who would have guessed Uncle Joey was such a stud?) and then it fell apart. In 1995, Alanis released Jagged Little Pill — and it was “You Oughta Know” that really hit the public like a punch to the face. The lyrics were crystal clear, angsty, and just plain pissed off. What nobody realized at the time was that those lyrics were very likely to be directed at Dave Coulier, and to this day Alanis has never denied these claims.


14 - Woody Harrelson’s Father Was a Hitman

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_oR3w8KSV5Ig/S7RErm1iE3I/AAAAAAAABB8/SwMBoRPE7Bo/image_thumb%5B35%5D.png?imgmax=800

Woody Harrelson is a badass. He’s a fantastic actor, a hilarious guy, and one of the few folks in Hollywood that stays somewhat down to earth throughout the fame. One thing that people don’t usually know about Woody is that his father was actually a convicted hitman. He was arrested in 1979 after assassinating a federal judge in San Antonio, Texas. Kind of gives a whole new meaning to Natural Born Killers, doesn’t it?


15 - The Story of Alan Smithee

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_oR3w8KSV5Ig/S7REw44ATXI/AAAAAAAABCE/a2bB4s0BT9A/image_thumb%5B37%5D.png?imgmax=800

Hollywood’s been around for a long time now, and the cultural wall that’s been built up around it goes nowhere but up. In the long, long time that Tinseltown has grown and flourished, it’s gathered some strange traditions. One of them is called Alan Smithee. Originally named Al Smith, the persona was concocted by film-makers who wanted a way to sign movies that they didn’t want to sign their own name on when they became disgusted with the finished product. Often times, it was due to a director losing creative control over a film. When it happens, it’s roiling, and the director has the option of going to the Guild and requesting that he be allowed to sign anonymously in protest. The number of Hollywood films with Alan Smithee listed as director is surprisingly long — films such as The Birds II: Land’s End, the segment in Twilight Zone: The Movie in which an actor died, Death of a Gunfighter, the pilot episode of MacGyver; and the television-edited versions of some major films like Heat, Dune, Rudy and Scent of a Woman. The name Alan Smithee was officially retired in 2000, probably because the list was getting so long that people were beginning to think Alan was a real director. Now disgruntled film-makers have to come up with their own pseudonyms when they don’t want their name on a finished product."

turquoisefire777
02-04-2010, 08:33 PM
this song by Toadies on the crow coa soundtrack (no. 9) sounds like it could be about mind control/handlers:

http://www.crowfans.com/store/music/coasdtk.jpg


Toadies- Paper Dress

so what we did,
we redefined
the perfect function,
to realize
some kind of potential

and underneath,
her paper dress
she knows we're different
shoulders and a neck
shrug away this distance

now in my home,
or in my car
i can't help, but
all my thoughts
eventually drift back
to this day

where ever we go, where ever we go,
this ghost will follow

where ever we go, where ever we go,
this ghost follows!

where ever we go, where ever we go,
this ghost.....ayhhhh!


Toadies- Paper Dress - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elo72sB0hMs

turquoisefire777
02-04-2010, 08:52 PM
and this one is definitely about trauma based mind control(track 11):

KoRn - Sean Olson

What's your lie?

Warm glance, a fake smile.
Eyes meet, your mind runs wild.
This game you play I like in a way.

You expect to grab a child (grab a child)
You think I'm innocent not wild.
Take me let's see how much I'm tamed.

Everybody listen while I think of all I know,
How to live for sure - body wall into my precious soul.
I'll show you fears, pleasure pain is my control.
Let your body lay in there, warm flesh to your fear.

Warm lips, a big smile.
Hatred runs through your insides.
This game you play - intimidation each day.

You think it's all a lie (all a lie)
They want to destroy your life.
Anger twisted your life into pain

I wish I could take control.
I wish I could let go.
I wish I could break this mould.
Inside I'm so fucking cold.

I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm coming on you... (x4)

Warm glance, a fake smile.
Eyes meet, your mind runs wild.
This game you play I like in a way.

You expect to grab a child (grab a child)
You think I'm innocent not wild.
Take me - let's see how much I'm tamed.

Everybody listen while I become all I know.
How to live for sure - body wall into my precious soul.
I'll show you fears, pleasure pain is my control.
Let your body lay in there, warm flesh to your fear.

I wish I could lose control.
I wish I could let go.
I wish I could break this mould
Inside I'm so fuckin' cold.

Weapons inside so the truth unfolds.

I am done.
That was so fun.
This one's real.
How'd it feel?

What's comin', what's comin', what's comin' on you? (x4)

I'm comin', I'm comin', I'm comin' on you... (x4)

KoRn - Sean Olson - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DeDFlYgfuI&feature=related

emerald
02-04-2010, 08:54 PM
A friend send me this page, among some shitty informations some have been discussed here and there in the thread, don't mess with Don King or Woody Harrelson's Dad (Similar to Anthony Kiedis of Red Hot Chili Peppers )

Source : "http://ratenumone.blogspot.com/2010/04/hollywoods-15-worst-kept-secrets.html"

"Hollywood gossip is something that has become so pervasive in our culture that we tend to take it all for granted. Whether we tend to listen to it all or shun it like the plague, we end up hearing more than our fair share, and stowing it away in memory without even realizing it. Sometimes, the really good gossip slips through the mainstream and get slowly forgotten by the few people that ever knew about it to begin with. These are some of those bits of information; these are 15 of Hollywood’s worst kept secrets.


1 - Tim Allen Served Time

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Tim “the Tool Man” Taylor of Home Improvement fame was supposed to be the all-American dad — one of the good guys. He was your average Joe who spent more time in the garage than anywhere else, had a loving wife and a house full of kids that he had to teach the ways of the world. What Tim Allen’s character never taught his kids on the show, however, was how to get caught in an airport, smuggling over 1.4 pounds of cocaine in his luggage. This was in 1978, and he plea-bargained a potential life-sentence down to a few years by giving away the names of his suppliers, and got out on parole 28 months later.


2 - Silvester Stallone Starred in a Porn Movie

The trailer above was made back in 1970, a full six years before Stallone would become Rocky, and it was originally released under the title The Party at Kitty and Stud’s. Once Rocky broke the box office, the movie was re-released as The Italian Stallion in an effort to grab more sales. When asked about the movie later, Stallone said that he was “starving” when he made it, and that he was “desperate.” You don’t have to play coy with us, Sly.


3 - Jack Nicholson’s “Sister” Was His Mother

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Jack Nicholson, one of Hollywood’s greats, was born in 1936. Most of us know the little trivia tidbit that he was born the son of a showgirl, but nobody ever seems to realize or remember that the showgirl he was born to wasn’t the same woman he called “mom” all his life. His grandmother insisted on taking the him and raising him as her own, to allow his mother (a bit of a floozy) to continue her work. His real mother became his sister overnight, and nobody ever told him — until a journalist from Time magazine broke the silence and informed him during an interview in 1974. By that time, both women had already passed away.


4 - Eric Stoltz Was the Original Marty McFly

Eric Stoltz hasn’t spent a great deal of time in the limelight, but some of us do still remember some pretty great roles of his; roles like Martin Brundle in The Fly II, Danny in Memphis Belle, Simon in The Prophecy and our favorite, Lance in Pulp Fiction. Now he’s back in the spotlight with his role as Daniel Graystone in SyFy’s new BSG precursor, Caprica. Inventing the Cylons is a pretty good bullet point on any guy’s resume, but back in 1985 he was still just a newbie on set, and Robet Zemeckis booted him from the role of Marty McFly after six weeks of filming when Michael J. Fox agreed to take the part.


5 - Don King Killed Two Men, Did Time

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Don King gets a lot of press for being, well, Don King. He’s got the support of some heavy-hitters (pun intended), but he’s also come to be known as something of a bastard by those who know him best. One of the little stories that tends to get forgotten involves two incidents in King’s past: he shot one guy in the back as he was trying to rob one of his gambling houses back in 1953, and then stomped another guy to death because he owed him $600. Nice guy, eh?


6 - Winona Ryder is Naturally Blonde

You gotta love Winona. She’s the bad girl who’s not the bad girl; she’s cute, bubbly, dark, light, shoplifts with the best (and worst) of ‘em and rolls with the punches. She played roles in some of the best movies of our time, including Edward Scissorhands and BeatleJuice. What most of us never stop to think about, given the fact that she’s nearly always appeared as a brunette (and a good one at that), is that Winona is actually a blonde. For those who never had an inkling, watching Edward Scissorhands again with this knowledge is like flipping the world upside-down.


7 - Nicole Richie’s Real Dad Was a Member of Lionel’s Band

Nicole Ritchie being Lionel Ritchie’s kid was always one of those things you just tend to forget about. The names match up, but little else does, and we sort of just make it work in our heads. Most people never stop to question it, and when they do, they find ways to justify it in their heads that they’re father/daughter instead of checking to be sure. Fact is, Nicole is Lionel’s adopted daughter; her mother was a bit of a deadbeat who worked wardrobe for Prince, and her biological father was actually a former percussionist in Lionel’s own band.


8 - Janet Jackson Was Secretly Married for Eight Years

People elope all the time; it’s much more common than most of us realize. When an individual as famous as Janet Jackson does it, and manages to keep it a secret for eight years; well that’s an accomplishment. Apparently she had to keep her marriage a complete secret because she wanted to keep it from her father, who we all know is not the greatest guy on earth. She and her husband, Rene Elizondo, had to act like “close friends” the entire time. It was his hands in the photo shoot above. In 2000, Rene had officially had enough of the secret life, and since Janet wouldn’t budge, he filed for divorce. It got pretty ugly after that point, and since he was suing her for millions, we’re pretty sure her father found out anyway.


9 - Charlize Theron Watched Her Mother Kill Her Father

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_oR3w8KSV5Ig/S7REZv_dboI/AAAAAAAABBQ/orMHzthwtGo/image_thumb%5B23%5D.png?imgmax=800

Charlize Theron is South African by birth, and lived there her entire young life. She led a somewhat normal life into her pre-teens, but then things changed a bit. Her father was an abusive alcoholic, and her mother was the chief punching bag around the house. When Charlize was 15, her father came home especially drunk one night. A scuffle broke out and she witnessed her mother pull a gun and shoot her dad dead. At least this makes it a bit easier to understand how she can play such messed up roles so well — and if the picture of her from Monster scared you a bit, here’s a nicer one to reset the memory.


10 -Tobey Maguire’s Father Is a Convicted Bank Robber

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_oR3w8KSV5Ig/S7REdtBE0yI/AAAAAAAABBc/qo1csiyxevk/image_thumb%5B25%5D.png?imgmax=800

Tobey Maguire, born Tobias Vincent Maguire, was named partly after his father, Vincent. When Tobey was a struggling teen actor back in 1993, his dad was a struggling regular Joe. A regular Joe who got the hair-brained idea in his head to rob a bank in Reseda, California. The irony screams on this one, and Tobey has tried his hardest to keep this one of the least talked about topics in his life. If only he had been Spider Man a decade earlier, he could have stopped the whole thing from ever happening.


11 - Mark Wahlberg’s Living on Borrowed Time

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_oR3w8KSV5Ig/S7REh5yveEI/AAAAAAAABBk/Kn2eYjyYHR4/image_thumb%5B27%5D.png?imgmax=800

It’s pretty common knowledge that Mark Wahlberg is either blessed or just among the luckiest guys on earth by natural circumstances. Either way you cut it, the guy has made out pretty well time after time, despite beginning his public life as Marky Mark (an unforgivable sin). What most people don’t know is that the morning of September 11, 2001, Wahlberg was a ticket-holding passenger on one of the planes that struck the World Trade Center. He, on the other hand, was miles away attending a film festival in Toronto. He was invited at the very last minute by some friends who happened to be there, and he missed his flight. Lucky is an understatement for this guy.


12 - Oprah Had a Baby When She Was 14

Oprah is known for many things, but having a kid at 14 is not one of them. Apparently she was a bit of an underaged harlot, and told her best friend at the time that she had no idea who the father could have been, since the list of possible donors was relentlessly long. Really Oprah? We always thought the whole 9000 Penises bit felt a little too natural.


13 - Alanis Morissette Likely Wrote “You Oughta Know” About Dave Coulier

In 1993, Dave Coulier was Uncle Joey on Full House, and Alanis Morisette was just getting her feet under her in the music business. Somehow, they started dating. The relationship went pretty sour due to work schedules and some bad communication, among other things (who would have guessed Uncle Joey was such a stud?) and then it fell apart. In 1995, Alanis released Jagged Little Pill — and it was “You Oughta Know” that really hit the public like a punch to the face. The lyrics were crystal clear, angsty, and just plain pissed off. What nobody realized at the time was that those lyrics were very likely to be directed at Dave Coulier, and to this day Alanis has never denied these claims.


14 - Woody Harrelson’s Father Was a Hitman

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_oR3w8KSV5Ig/S7RErm1iE3I/AAAAAAAABB8/SwMBoRPE7Bo/image_thumb%5B35%5D.png?imgmax=800

Woody Harrelson is a badass. He’s a fantastic actor, a hilarious guy, and one of the few folks in Hollywood that stays somewhat down to earth throughout the fame. One thing that people don’t usually know about Woody is that his father was actually a convicted hitman. He was arrested in 1979 after assassinating a federal judge in San Antonio, Texas. Kind of gives a whole new meaning to Natural Born Killers, doesn’t it?


15 - The Story of Alan Smithee

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_oR3w8KSV5Ig/S7REw44ATXI/AAAAAAAABCE/a2bB4s0BT9A/image_thumb%5B37%5D.png?imgmax=800

Hollywood’s been around for a long time now, and the cultural wall that’s been built up around it goes nowhere but up. In the long, long time that Tinseltown has grown and flourished, it’s gathered some strange traditions. One of them is called Alan Smithee. Originally named Al Smith, the persona was concocted by film-makers who wanted a way to sign movies that they didn’t want to sign their own name on when they became disgusted with the finished product. Often times, it was due to a director losing creative control over a film. When it happens, it’s roiling, and the director has the option of going to the Guild and requesting that he be allowed to sign anonymously in protest. The number of Hollywood films with Alan Smithee listed as director is surprisingly long — films such as The Birds II: Land’s End, the segment in Twilight Zone: The Movie in which an actor died, Death of a Gunfighter, the pilot episode of MacGyver; and the television-edited versions of some major films like Heat, Dune, Rudy and Scent of a Woman. The name Alan Smithee was officially retired in 2000, probably because the list was getting so long that people were beginning to think Alan was a real director. Now disgruntled film-makers have to come up with their own pseudonyms when they don’t want their name on a finished product."

Of all these 15 items, the only one I didnt know was that Tim Allen was in jail. But I bet u didnt know that the reason PATRICIA ARQUETTE divorced NICHOLAS CAGE was that he (ironically, he starred in 8 MM) likes snuff movies. Or that BRAD PITT, JOHNNY DEPP, JC VAN DAMME and CHRISTOPHER REEVES (R.I.P.) played for the other team in their younger days. And the last two even after for a while... Just rumours? I doubt. Its Hollywood. Its showbiz, where shit is golden and for 15 min. smells like roses.

hunkahunka
05-04-2010, 04:38 PM
I found this article which reveals that in 1968 Ken Kesey and several members of the Merry Pranksters/Hells Angels/Grateful Dead milieu were flown to England by psychedelic rock promoter Bill Graham to visit The Beatle's George Harrison at Apple Records, and establish the groundwork for the expansion of the Pranksters/Hells Angels operation to England. This meeting led to the creation of the first official Hells Angels charter/chapter in Europe, in London, England , in 1969. (Graham even paid to have the bikers Harley Davidson's shipped over with them for the visit)

I did double check this to verify this as factual , and found more links verifying the same, ie this one:

Lee's account of the events leading up to the 1968 "Alchemical Wedding"
at the Royal Albert Hall which featured John Lennon & Yoko Ono:
http://www.leeharris.co.uk/images/headblow.jpg
http://www.leeharris.co.uk/LeeHarris/Works/afootsol.htm


Here is the article that I first mentioned above. It is obviously satyric in places (ie: the bogus claim that
Graham was forced to finance the venture) , but does contain some interesting information:


http://www.blacklistedjournalist.com/column75b.html


THE DAY THE ANGELS SPENT CHRISTMAS WITH THE BEATLES

by David Dalton


http://www.blacklistedjournalist.com/Images/harrison_3.jpg
GEORGE HARRISON


Well, no, it's not that kind of story, exactly, although given the fairytale element in the legend of the Fab Four you might, circa 1964, have got away with a tableau like this: Angels descending from on high in a Beatles Xmas pageant. But that would have been many years ago, when it was still possible to imagine a flock of tatterdemalion angels fluttering down to mingle with the throngs in the Great Hall of Beatledom and sing carols by a great roaring tinsel-paper fire. The thing is, the Angels in this story are not that kind of angels, either. It's more like "My Walk-on in the Life of George". But here we're going to give it the full cinematic treatment. Hey, it's an epic, widescreen: Beatles, Angels, the Dead and General Motors.

Gimme a Gregg Toland deep-focus shot of Haight Street in the Summer of Love. Because that's where this story begins. Mid-summer 1967 is an absolutely 'orrible moment to visit Haight Street. If you'd come, say, three months earlier even, it was heaven on earth.

But in the twinkling of an eye, a couple of months tops, the place had fallen flat as a souffle interrupted mid-bake. It'd gone from being the hippest, coolest, profoundest place on earth to a sort of psychedelic skid row. By the 1967 'Summer of Love', our little Hobbittown was bustling and hustling and crawling with tourists, runaways, TV crews and narks. Cover of Time and Newsweek. Presto, you're a Twinkie!

Rock royalty showing up daily. Neil Young, Paul Simon, Jimi Hendrix, David Crosby. And who's this, then? It's a bloody Beatle sauntering down Haight Street, smoking a big fat joint. Sir George Harrison puffing like a Chinese chimney. He can't believe his eyes? All these people openly rolling joints on Haight Street, kids throwing joints at him. Brits were always boggled by the whole pot scene in Hippietown.

George loves the fact that he can walk down Haight Street more or less without hassle. People just hand him joints, maybe walk along for a block or so to chat, and then let him go his own way. Like Charles II and retinue strolling amongst his loyal subjects.

He's fascinated by it all. For George, the Haight is the new model City on the Hill, a sort of community whose constitution is based on rock 'n' roll, on Beatles even. Curious George wants to know: "How did it all start? How long has it been going on? How does it all work? How do you do the shows in the park?"

On Divisidero he runs into a couple of Hell's Angels, Tumbleweed and Pete. Wow! Real sweaty, hairy, savage Hell's Angels. The terror of the West. He's impressed, all right. They're impressed, too.

"Fuckin' George Harrison, man!" In the heat of the moment George invites them to come and stay with him "whenever you're in London, man." You know, at George's house! Now in England, this sort of invitation is taken for what it is: perfunctory politeness. Besides, he must have thought, when are two Hell's Angels ever going to show up at Saville Row? But this is California, baby! The West?where a man's word is a man's word....

"Well, Jesus, George, that's real decent of you. Real decent. We've been planning a trip to check out swingin' London, haven't we, Pete?" Pete is equally enthusiastic.

"Fuck, yeah! Hell, we'll just bring the Harleys, it'll be a hell of a time." Whereupon George proceeds to hand them... his card. A bit formal, methinks, but the boys fall on it as if it were a fresh kilo of dope.

They hand it around'to sniff, I presume?but on closer examination it turns out to be an Apple Records card. Oh well, he's not actually going to give them his telephone number at Strawberry fucking Fields, now is he? I mean what if these guys actually do show up?

Kids are lying on the sidewalk, dogs in kerchiefs are running up and down the street, people are panhandling. It's so crowded in spots it's hard to walk. George suddenly seems alarmed.

A cloud passes over George?a dark horse that one.

"Where will it all end?" he mumbles. Wot a question!

We will disappear into the blackness of the space from which we came, destroyed as we began, in a burst of gas and fire. C?mon, George, didn't you see Rebel Without a Cause"

The Yuletide season rolls around and certain hairy people start remembering that George Harrison has invited a bunch of them to his palace for Christmas.

It's not clear exactly who George invited by name, but, hey, who's counting?it's the Beatles, innit?

What possible difference is one or two more going to make?


The Angels hit on Bill Graham for travel expenses



Let's see... there's Ken Kesey, Peter Coyote from the Mime Troupe, the Pleasure Crew, Slade and Spider (the two Hell's Angels George met walking down Haight Street and their mamas), the two original Deadheads (Connie and Sue Swanson) Danny Rifkin, Peter the Monk and, uh, someone". Thirteen people in all, a good round number. A magic number! Who could object to that?

But they're about a thousand bucks short. "Jeez, we're gonna need at least five hundred bucks just to transport the Harleys there and back in steerage."

High finance. So Peter the Monk goes to Bill Graham's dingy little office in the back of the Fillmore. If you were to go up there in the old days, you'd find all the bullets that various Hell's Angels had given him over those early years proudly displayed on Bill's desk. Like when Tiny or Sonny Barger would come in his office and say: "Okay, Graham, we're letting you pass on this one but here is a gift in order that you should never forget that we never fucking forget!"

And, boom, the Angel'd slap down a .357 or a .44 shell. They are all there, lined up in a row. It's a big joke until the Angels decide it isn't a joke. And just to show you it ain't all bluff, the Angels hang Bill Graham out of the two-story window by his leg at the Fillmore East when he tries to stop them from wearing their colors into the building.

Peter the Monk picks up four shells and tells Graham that the bullets are gonna cost him two hundred and fifty dollars each. "In other words, Bill, we need a thousand dollars."

"What the hell for?"

"Well, to fly a couple of motorcycles to London for one thing."

Bill is ranting and raving. "Christ almighty, what in the hell makes you think, rrraa, ra, ra."

"Because we're taking these bullets off of your desk, and that'll take a load off of your mind, won't it? Four less bikers out for your sorry ass."

"I don't know why I'm doing this, but okay. Just one thing. He inserts a clause at the end of the "loan" note.

"Since you're going to be guests of George Harrison, here's what I want you to do: I want you to tell the Beatles that I'll promote them any way I can; I'll promote them for free. I'll promote them in Golden Gate Park, I'll promote them in Central Park, I'll promote them anywhere, free! On the fuckin? moon if they so want."

Peter the Monk's going, "Uh huh, sure. You'll promote this in a hat, you'll promote them with a cat! Come on, give me a break. Bill Graham presents the Beatles for free?! Is that what you mean, Bill?"

"Exactamente, that's it! Really, it is."

"But you get the t-shirt concession, the Port-o-San concession, the hot dog and soda...."

"Get outta here, you bums! Who do you think you are?"

Now they've got the bread and they get on one of those cheapo Air India flights. There aren't many passengers aside from them, so they take over the middle of the plane and put all the seatbacks down and cover them with their coats and blankets and sleeping bags and sit around cross-legged in a giant circle and sing camp songs. Kesey tells Eskimo stories and Northwest Indian tales. To complete the picture, Peter Coyote's injecting himself in the stomach with Vitamin B12 and methamphetamine. He's got hepatitis and Doctor Feelgood, the famous New York City doctor who did such wonders for Kennedy's back problems and Brian Jones's head problems, has given Peter his own secret remedy, a walking cure for hepatitis. I just saw Peter doing a car commercial, saying, I swear, "We here at General Motors believe in the promise of freedom". and zero percent financing"." Long way from the Diggers? Free Store, man, but what the hell, things change.

Someone plays harmonica; they get a little jam session going and boogie all the way to London. Boy, are they a mess when they get to Heathrow airport. They get to customs and everybody (except for Peter) goes into the nothing-to-declare line. Peter?with his brown paper bag full of syringes, weird bottles, and labels that look like they're from a Wild West chemist?goes to the red zone. Waiting forever for him to go through customs, and then for the Angels to get their bikes out of some godforsaken excise warehouse.

They head straight for the Beatles headquarters, Apple, in a procession of motorcycles, taxicabs, Land Rovers and whatever else they sent out for us. The bottle-green liveried footmen at Apple practically faint when they see them?Egad! The barbarians are at the gates!

"But, hey dudes, we're friends of George's!"

"I don't doubt that you are, sir, but would you mind waiting in the foyer. Mr. Harrison, you see, isn't available at the present."

"That's okay, we'll wait."

It's still very early in the morning and they end up in George's office with the tea ladies from Apple buzzing around, bringing cups of tea and crumpets. By the time Derek Taylor (the Beatles press agent) shows up our motley crew is all crashed and sleeping on the couches and in the waiting rooms and the hallways and in George's office.

Around noon George shows up ("Mr. Harrison is in the building!") but he can't see them just yet (or ever!) and as to the invitation to stay at Strawberry fucking Fields, well, a representative will be out momentarily to speak with you. After a great deal of huddled whispering, the Hell's Angels & Co. are told that, regretfully,". If only George had known you were coming, well, you see.

Derek Taylor breaks it to them gently: "Look fellahs, George sends his apologies. He means well, he really does want to accommodate you all, but he just didn't expect quite this many people. It is Christmas, after all, and he does have a full compliment of guests at Strawberry Fields already." George's forty-room mansion is quite booked up. Jeez, the place is a bloody castle. Who does he have staying with him, the Bolivian soccer team?

They've just arrived California style and now they have to scoot all around town and try to find places to crash. George sends the Angels, their mamas and their bikes over to Ladbroke Grove, where Richard Dilello, Stanley Mouse, and I share a house by the railroad tracks.

Which is how these Hell's Angels came to be staying with us. They were exemplary houseguests. They brought food and beer and gifts?among them a signed copy of Freewheelin? Frank's book, but they also were overweight, balding and oddly conservative. They also held wildly differing opinions on topics dear to our hippie hearts: napalm, Jimi Hendrix, brown rice.

So we all smoked hash, drank beer, and played old Chuck Berry and Jerry Lee Lewis albums until we passed out.

It all comes to a head at Christmas dinner, brought on by a clash of cultures. A sort of tableau vivant of Louis XIV and the Visigoths. The prissy little functionaries at Apple and the rowdy,

An Angel sticks
a carving fork into the turkey. . .drumstick, anyone?

Uncouth California dudes, and never the twain shall meet. Due to some protocol of their own, the Apple elves are not letting the ravenous California dudes eat any of the mouth-watering food laid out on great groaning boards.

It's just like the Food Hall at Harrods! Trays of pheasant and aspics and p't's and crackers and on and on parading past them all day long, all day long. This incredible stuff from the finest restaurants, and, believe me, they're starved. They're out of money and haven't had a decent meal in days. There's free-flowing champagne everywhere so everybody's getting well soused on champagne, and still no food.

Finally (what do they fucking expect?) there's a palace revolution. The Hell's Angels insist that they be fed. Right now. Pete Knell takes a huge carving fork and picks the whole bird up. Sweet William tears off a leg. Turkey anyone?

Later on a few pimply South London bikers show up. English Hells Angels?very young, gawky guys with their club names written in chalk on the backs of their jackets?and bearing as much resemblance to the Frisco chapter of the Hell's Angels as Wiley E. Coyote does to Attila the Hun. Pete Knell has just founded the Marin County chapter of the Angels so he's feeling expansive'tomorrow the world!?and the thought of starting a London chapter begins to cross his mind.

Fuck, man, why not? I hear him telling these wide-eyed kids: "You could take over this town." Sure, Pete, tell it to Napoleon.

Cut! We can't end a Beatles movie like this. Let's go back to the other ending?when all through the house not a creature was stirring, not even Stanley Mouse. The assembled dudes and demigods had just sat down to a giant repast when up on the roof top reindeer paws". Santa and his elves! Taking a break (reindeer pause?) from their Euro-route. In the old days they used to stop at Buckingham Palace for Ovaltine and digestive biscuits but the Royals weren't so royal anymore, and we all knew that the true kings of the kingdom were the Mop Tops.

Next, in the stillness of the night, came a fluttering of wings like chopper blades and there did descend a flock of angels from on high, all resembling Peter Frampton. There's a knock at the great front door of Apple. It's Mick and Marianne, Keith and Anita! All bearing shopping bags filled with extravagantly wrapped presents (they must think they're starring in some forties Christmas movie). The Who run in with mad grins, Janis brings the libations, and Jimi Hendrix arrives finely dressed as Saint Nick from Saturn. Every Beatle fan that ever was is there at the feast, including Tiny Tim with his ukulele. And the happiness and camaraderie that day was such that the old building on Saville Row did almost levitate with joy. And from that moment forth there was peace on earth and good will towards men (and women), "All You Need Is Love" became the anthem of every land, and Beatle lunchboxes were given to every boy and girl.

And up over the Old Smoke rose a rousing anthem sung by all the raucous voices who had ever blessed vinyl, singing:

God rest you merry gentlemen, may nothing you dismay?

And all of us heard as Santa flew outtasight, "Merry Christmas to all, it's been a hard day's night!" ##

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Bill Graham


Here's a bit of background on what else Bill Graham (purported owner of large rock venue
'The Fillmore') was up to at the time.



The Fillmore

In the mid-1960s, The Fillmore Auditorium became the focal point for psychedelic music and counterculture in general, with acts such as Led Zeppelin, The Grateful Dead, The Who, Cream, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Jefferson Airplane, Jimi Hendrix Experience, The Allman Brothers Band, Pink Floyd, The Doors, Creedence Clearwater Revival, and Big Brother and the Holding Company performing at the venue.[1] Besides rock, Graham also featured non-rock acts such as Miles Davis, Rahsaan Roland Kirk, Charles Lloyd, Aretha Franklin, and Otis Redding as well as poetry readings.

The venue had a legendary ambience as well as the stellar performances, often with swirling light-show projections, strobe lights and uninhibited dancing. At the end of the evening, Bill Graham often stood next to a huge bin of fresh apples at the front exit saying good night to the patrons and handing out apples. Many attendees also took home small handbill versions of the famous psychedelic art posters designed by artists including Rick Griffin, Wes Wilson, Victor Moscoso, and Stanley Mouse. The cultural impact of the Fillmore was very large. It is referenced by Hunter S. Thompson in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas in a description of the counterculture of the 1960s in the Bay Area.

and check out this hard-to-swallow Wikipedia bio on Graham, yet another
'persecuted Jewish-German who made himself rich all on his own'.
This rags-to-riches stuff just seems to happen so easily and
so inevitably for so many of these Jewish German intelligence-circle poverty
cases, don't it?


Early life

Graham was born Wolodia Grajonca in Berlin[1] and given the nickname Wolfgang by his family early in his life.[2] Graham was the youngest son of a lower-middle-class Jewish family that had emigrated from Russia prior to the rise of Nazism.[3][4] Graham's father died two days after his son's birth.[5] Graham's mother placed her son and his younger sister in an orphanage in Berlin due to the increasing peril to Jews in Nazi Germany. The orphanage sent them to France in a pre–Holocaust exchange of Jewish children for Christian orphans. Graham's older sisters stayed behind with his mother. After the fall of France, Graham was among a group of Jewish orphans spirited out of France. A majority of the children—including Graham's younger sister Tolla—did not survive the journey. Graham's mother was killed in Auschwitz. Graham had five sisters, Rita, Evelyn, Sonja, Ester and Tolla (Tanya). His sister Ester survived Auschwitz. She later moved to the United States and was very close to Graham in his later life. His sister Rita escaped, first to Shanghai and then (after the war) to the United States.[citation needed]

Once in the United States, Graham stayed in a foster home in The Bronx in New York City. After being taunted as an immigrant and being called a Nazi because of his German accented English, Graham changed his name ("Graham" was found in the phonebook, it was closest to his real surname "Grajonca." According to Graham, both "Bill" and "Graham" were meaningless to him) and worked to perfect a New York accent. Graham graduated from DeWitt Clinton High School and then obtained a business degree from City College.[6][7] He was later quoted as describing his training as that of an "efficiency expert".

Graham was drafted into the United States Army in 1951, although he was still not yet a United States citizen.[citation needed], and served in the Korean War, where he was awarded both the Bronze Star and Purple Heart. Upon his return to the States he worked as a waiter/maître d' in Catskill Mountain resorts in upstate New York during their heyday. He was later quoted as saying his experience as a maître d' and with the poker games he hosted behind the scenes was good training for his eventual career as a promoter. Tito Puente, who played some of these resorts, went on record once saying that Graham was avid to learn Spanish from him, but only cared about the curse words.[citation needed] It was during the 1950's that Graham became a champion mambo dancer in the mambo clubs of New York City ("Latin Music USA", PBS TV, broadcast 2010).

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The Fillmore

Also notable is the address of the original Fillmore Auditorium at 1805 Geary Blvd:

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=859+Geary+Boulevard&daddr=1805+Geary+Blvd,+San+Francisco,+CA+94115,+US A&hl=en&geocode=FU6QQAIdw_-z-ClpOKR_loCFgDFJkO-cpI6oKQ%3BFa-KQAId8tCz-Cn9OILKuYCFgDEdjYAXBYu9Sg&mra=ls&sll=37.784239,-122.433294&sspn=0.007326,0.013797&g=1805+Geary+Boulevard&ie=UTF8&ll=37.78491,-122.432113&spn=0.007326,0.021973&z=16

(1805 Geary Blvd., just up the street from the Albert Pike Memorial Scottish Rite
Temple, aka Jim Jones' Peoples Temple , at 1859 Geary Blvd. six blocks away, and a
nine minute drive away from the Bohemian Club at 624 Taylor Street), and its
association with 'punk bands':


The Fillmore

In the mid-1960s, The Fillmore Auditorium became the focal point for psychedelic music and counterculture in general, with acts such as Led Zeppelin, The Grateful Dead, The Who, Cream, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Jefferson Airplane, Jimi Hendrix Experience, The Allman Brothers Band, Pink Floyd, The Doors, Creedence Clearwater Revival, and Big Brother and the Holding Company performing at the venue.[1] Besides rock, Graham also featured non-rock acts such as Miles Davis, Rahsaan Roland Kirk, Charles Lloyd, Aretha Franklin, and Otis Redding as well as poetry readings.

The venue had a legendary ambience as well as the stellar performances, often with swirling light-show projections, strobe lights and uninhibited dancing. At the end of the evening, Bill Graham often stood next to a huge bin of fresh apples at the front exit saying good night to the patrons and handing out apples. Many attendees also took home small handbill versions of the famous psychedelic art posters designed by artists including Rick Griffin, Wes Wilson, Victor Moscoso, and Stanley Mouse. The cultural impact of the Fillmore was very large. It is referenced by Hunter S. Thompson in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas in a description of the counterculture of the 1960s in the Bay Area.
[edit] Fillmore West
Main article: Fillmore West

After two years at the Fillmore Auditorium, because of a deteriorating neighborhood and the modest capacity of the hall, Bill Graham moved the venue in July 1968 from the original building at 1805 Geary Boulevard to the Carousel Ballroom at 10 South Van Ness Avenue, at the corner of Market Street and South Van Ness Avenue (now the location of an automobile dealership), which was renamed Fillmore West (in contrast with Graham's Fillmore East auditorium in the East Village in New York City).
[edit] Post Fillmore West

The original Fillmore location became a private club called The Elite Club. For several years in the early 1980s, punk promoter Paul Rat booked punk rock shows at this venue. Punk bands that performed at The Elite Club include Black Flag, Bad Brains, The Dead Kennedys, TSOL, Flipper, Gang of Four, and Public Image Ltd. [1]
[edit] Reopening

The Fillmore reopened under Graham's management in the mid-1980's, but it was damaged and closed by the Loma Prieta earthquake of October 1989. After Graham died in a helicopter crash in 1991, those close to him decided to carry out his final wish to retrofit and reopen the original Fillmore. The Fillmore re-opened on April 27, 1994 with the band The Smashing Pumpkins playing an unannounced surprise show, and Primus playing the first official re-opening show the following night. The Fillmore has once again become a San Francisco hot spot with frequent shows. For a standard show, the capacity of the Fillmore is 1,199 guests.

The Fillmore is also well known for its psychedelic concert posters by artists who in the 1960s included Wes Wilson and Rick Griffin. Copies of the night's poster are given to fans free of charge as they exit selected, sold-out shows. A chronological collection of these posters is on display in the mezzanine level of the auditorium today.

Other traditions are carried on to this day. One is a large tub of free apples for concert goers positioned near the entrance. Another is a "greeter", a staff member who welcomes each guest as they enter ("Welcome to the Fillmore!").

Live Nation has recently begun a campaign to expand the Fillmore "brand" by changing the names of a number of established clubs it owns around the U.S. to "The Fillmore____." This includes clubs in Detroit, Philadelphia (Fillmore at the TLA), New York City (Fillmore at Irving Plaza), Denver and Miami Beach (Fillmore at the Jackie Gleason Theatre). Plans underway to construct a Fillmore in the Washington, DC suburb of Silver Spring, Maryland have been met with opposition[2]. The Fillmore Charlotte is scheduled to open in June 2009[3].



btw, I called Bill Graham the 'purported' owner of the Fillmore venues chain, because
I am beginning to get a palpable sense of who really owns and controls all of this,
and how they choose to finance certain people, and yes, I'm beginning to realize
that these poverty cases are not really the "self-made geniuses" that they are
always made out to be. Their success happens because someone up high with very
deep pockets makes it happen, and they themselves are usually just a small cog in
someone else's much larger machine. The fawning, bootlicking praise that these ensconsed
minions receive via the rest of the owned and controlled media is window dressing.

hunkahunka
05-04-2010, 05:53 PM
more interesting stuff on Bill Graham

A charismatic but often difficult personality, Graham produced shows attracting elements of America's now legendary counterculture of the time such as Jefferson Airplane, Janis Joplin, Country Joe and The Fish, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, The Committee, The Fugs, Allen Ginsberg, and, a particular favorite of Graham's, The Grateful Dead. He was the manager of Jefferson Airplane during 1967 and 1968. His successes and popularity allowed him to become the top concert promoter in rock music. He operated the famous venues the Fillmore West and Winterland (both in San Francisco) and the Fillmore East (in New York City), where the best up-and-coming acts would come to play.[citation needed]

In New York City, he formed a booking agency called The Millard Agency which organized the booking of bands into various venues across the US. Because his music venue was the Fillmore, it seemed obvious to call the booking agency Millard. (Millard Fillmore was the thirteenth president of the United States.) In his music venues, he also opened certain weekday nights for unknown bands, like Santana, to get exposure. Graham promoted the West-Coast leg of the legendary The Rolling Stones American Tour 1972, also known as S.T.P. Tour (for Stones Touring Party), as well as parts of the Rolling Stones 1975 and 1978 tours. He would then promote the entire Rolling Stones American Tour 1981 and Rolling Stones European Tour 1982. When the Stones returned to touring in 1989 with the Steel Wheels tour, Mick Jagger took the offer of Michael Cohl's The BCL Group (Ballard Cohl Labatt).[citation needed]

Cohl made his reputation (and his fortune) in 1989 by buying the concert, sponsorship, merchandising, radio, television, and film rights to The Rolling Stones' Steel Wheels Tour. The tour became the most financially successful in history. Graham later discovered that Cohl had only offered slightly more money, and Graham took Jagger's repudiation as a personal defeat, writing "Losing the Stones was like watching my favorite lover become a whore."[citation needed]

In 1971, he closed the Fillmores on both coasts, citing a need to "find [himself]". The movie Fillmore: The Last Days documents the closing of the Fillmore West. Graham retreated to a Greek island, but found the quietude disconcerting and later admitted being disappointed that no one there knew of him. He returned to promoting, first organizing concerts at smaller venues, like the Berkeley Community Theatre on the campus of Berkeley High School. He then leased out the Winterland Arena in San Francisco and promoted shows at the Cow Palace Auditorium in Daly City.[citation needed] His first large-scale outdoor arena concert was a benefit for the San Francisco after-school programs, called the SNACK concert and starred Bob Dylan, with Neil Young and members of The Band.[citation needed]

In the mid-1980s, in conjunction with the city of Mountain View, California, and Apple Inc. cofounder Steve Wozniak, he masterminded the creation of the Shoreline Amphitheatre, which became the premier venue for outdoor concerts in the Silicon Valley. Throughout his career, Graham promoted benefit concerts. During the 1980s, as his organization grew, Graham left more of the everyday details of his business to employees and focused his personal energies on promoting benefit concerts.[citation needed]

He would go on to set the standard for well-produced large-scale rock concerts, such as the American portion of Live Aid in JFK Stadium, Philadelphia on July 13, 1985, as well as the 1986 A Conspiracy of Hope and 1988 Human Rights Now! tours for Amnesty International. In addition, he presented regular concerts in Bay Area stadiums, referred to as "Days on the Green," and was known to aggressively challenge potential competition, referring to other promoters by the name "Joe Schlitz". He was often seen pounding his fist into his open hand and announcing that "Joe Schlitz will not come into this town."[citation needed]

Graham's monopoly business practices went as far as strong-arm contracts with the University of California Regents to control on-campus entertainment venues, thus preventing ASUC and other student organizations from promoting their own rock concerts in the 1980s. In the 1980s, he teamed up with BASS Tickets to drive small ticket-distribution companies out of business in the Bay Area, creating a de facto monopoly.[citation needed] After the smaller operations failed, the remaining one, Ticketmaster (formerly BASS), raised prices to unprecedented levels. Its only opposition came from a few bands, notably Pearl Jam, who protested that the company's high ticketing fees were unfair to music fans. Such practices were targeted by the California Senate in S.B. 815.[8]

Graham was recognized as an expert promoter who genuinely cared about both the artists and the attendees at his concerts. He was the first to ensure that medical personnel were on site for large shows and was both a contributor and supporter of the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic, which he often used as medical support at events.[citation needed] He enjoyed putting together groups onstage from different ethnic backgrounds—many of whom were ignored by other promoters—and he had an eye for pleasing his audience, while making an effort to educate them in styles of music they would otherwise not have been exposed to. Graham was credited with assisting the early careers of artists like Santana, Eddie Money and Paul Collins' Beat.[citation needed]

Graham's status as a Holocaust survivor came into play in the mid-1980s, during the presidency of Ronald Reagan. When Graham learned that Reagan intended to lay a wreath at the Bitburg Cemetery in Germany, where SS Officers were buried, he organized protests against the act. During the same month that Reagan visited the cemetery, Graham's office was firebombed by Neo-Nazis. Graham, in France at the time, meeting with Bob Geldof to organize the first Live Aid concert, was informed of the fire via telephone. He responded as follows: "Was anybody hurt?" It was only after he was told that everyone was okay, he asked, "Is anything left?"[citation needed] Graham was instrumental in commissioning and marketing psychedelic concert posters by designers including Stanley Mouse, Alton Kelley, Wes Wilson and Rick Griffin.

Graham had a lifelong dream to become a character actor, professing a great admiration for Edward G. Robinson. He appeared in Francis Ford Coppola's Apocalypse Now, as a promoter. In 1990, director Barry Levinson and actor Warren Beatty provided an opportunity for Graham to take a more substantive role by casting him as Charles "Lucky" Luciano in the film Bugsy.[citation needed] During one scene, Graham is shown in a Latin dance number, a style of dancing Graham had embraced as a teenager in New York. He also appears as a promoter in the 1991 Oliver Stone film, The Doors. He also had a small part in Coppola's 1987 Gardens of Stone playing the part of Don Brubaker as a hippie war protester at a garden party during the Vietnam War who gets into an argument with James Caan's character and is beaten up.[citation needed]

A charismatic but often difficult personality, Graham produced shows attracting elements of America's now legendary counterculture of the time such as Jefferson Airplane, Janis Joplin, Country Joe and The Fish, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, The Committee, The Fugs, Allen Ginsberg, and, a particular favorite of Graham's, The Grateful Dead. He was the manager of Jefferson Airplane during 1967 and 1968. His successes and popularity allowed him to become the top concert promoter in rock music. He operated the famous venues the Fillmore West and Winterland (both in San Francisco) and the Fillmore East (in New York City), where the best up-and-coming acts would come to play.[citation needed]

In New York City, he formed a booking agency called The Millard Agency which organized the booking of bands into various venues across the US. Because his music venue was the Fillmore, it seemed obvious to call the booking agency Millard. (Millard Fillmore was the thirteenth president of the United States.) In his music venues, he also opened certain weekday nights for unknown bands, like Santana, to get exposure. Graham promoted the West-Coast leg of the legendary The Rolling Stones American Tour 1972, also known as S.T.P. Tour (for Stones Touring Party), as well as parts of the Rolling Stones 1975 and 1978 tours. He would then promote the entire Rolling Stones American Tour 1981 and Rolling Stones European Tour 1982. When the Stones returned to touring in 1989 with the Steel Wheels tour, Mick Jagger took the offer of Michael Cohl's The BCL Group (Ballard Cohl Labatt).[citation needed]

Cohl made his reputation (and his fortune) in 1989 by buying the concert, sponsorship, merchandising, radio, television, and film rights to The Rolling Stones' Steel Wheels Tour. The tour became the most financially successful in history. Graham later discovered that Cohl had only offered slightly more money, and Graham took Jagger's repudiation as a personal defeat, writing "Losing the Stones was like watching my favorite lover become a whore."[citation needed]

In 1971, he closed the Fillmores on both coasts, citing a need to "find [himself]". The movie Fillmore: The Last Days documents the closing of the Fillmore West. Graham retreated to a Greek island, but found the quietude disconcerting and later admitted being disappointed that no one there knew of him. He returned to promoting, first organizing concerts at smaller venues, like the Berkeley Community Theatre on the campus of Berkeley High School. He then leased out the Winterland Arena in San Francisco and promoted shows at the Cow Palace Auditorium in Daly City.[citation needed] His first large-scale outdoor arena concert was a benefit for the San Francisco after-school programs, called the SNACK concert and starred Bob Dylan, with Neil Young and members of The Band.[citation needed]

In the mid-1980s, in conjunction with the city of Mountain View, California, and Apple Inc. cofounder Steve Wozniak, he masterminded the creation of the Shoreline Amphitheatre, which became the premier venue for outdoor concerts in the Silicon Valley. Throughout his career, Graham promoted benefit concerts. During the 1980s, as his organization grew, Graham left more of the everyday details of his business to employees and focused his personal energies on promoting benefit concerts.[citation needed]

He would go on to set the standard for well-produced large-scale rock concerts, such as the American portion of Live Aid in JFK Stadium, Philadelphia on July 13, 1985, as well as the 1986 A Conspiracy of Hope and 1988 Human Rights Now! tours for Amnesty International. In addition, he presented regular concerts in Bay Area stadiums, referred to as "Days on the Green," and was known to aggressively challenge potential competition, referring to other promoters by the name "Joe Schlitz". He was often seen pounding his fist into his open hand and announcing that "Joe Schlitz will not come into this town."[citation needed]

Graham's monopoly business practices went as far as strong-arm contracts with the University of California Regents to control on-campus entertainment venues, thus preventing ASUC and other student organizations from promoting their own rock concerts in the 1980s. In the 1980s, he teamed up with BASS Tickets to drive small ticket-distribution companies out of business in the Bay Area, creating a de facto monopoly.[citation needed] After the smaller operations failed, the remaining one, Ticketmaster (formerly BASS), raised prices to unprecedented levels. Its only opposition came from a few bands, notably Pearl Jam, who protested that the company's high ticketing fees were unfair to music fans. Such practices were targeted by the California Senate in S.B. 815.[8]

Graham was recognized as an expert promoter who genuinely cared about both the artists and the attendees at his concerts. He was the first to ensure that medical personnel were on site for large shows and was both a contributor and supporter of the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic, which he often used as medical support at events.[citation needed] He enjoyed putting together groups onstage from different ethnic backgrounds—many of whom were ignored by other promoters—and he had an eye for pleasing his audience, while making an effort to educate them in styles of music they would otherwise not have been exposed to. Graham was credited with assisting the early careers of artists like Santana, Eddie Money and Paul Collins' Beat.[citation needed]

Graham's status as a Holocaust survivor came into play in the mid-1980s, during the presidency of Ronald Reagan. When Graham learned that Reagan intended to lay a wreath at the Bitburg Cemetery in Germany, where SS Officers were buried, he organized protests against the act. During the same month that Reagan visited the cemetery, Graham's office was firebombed by Neo-Nazis. Graham, in France at the time, meeting with Bob Geldof to organize the first Live Aid concert, was informed of the fire via telephone. He responded as follows: "Was anybody hurt?" It was only after he was told that everyone was okay, he asked, "Is anything left?"[citation needed] Graham was instrumental in commissioning and marketing psychedelic concert posters by designers including Stanley Mouse, Alton Kelley, Wes Wilson and Rick Griffin.

Graham had a lifelong dream to become a character actor, professing a great admiration for Edward G. Robinson. He appeared in Francis Ford Coppola's Apocalypse Now, as a promoter. In 1990, director Barry Levinson and actor Warren Beatty provided an opportunity for Graham to take a more substantive role by casting him as Charles "Lucky" Luciano in the film Bugsy.[citation needed] During one scene, Graham is shown in a Latin dance number, a style of dancing Graham had embraced as a teenager in New York. He also appears as a promoter in the 1991 Oliver Stone film, The Doors. He also had a small part in Coppola's 1987 Gardens of Stone playing the part of Don Brubaker as a hippie war protester at a garden party during the Vietnam War who gets into an argument with James Caan's character and is beaten up.[citation needed]
In tribute, the San Francisco Civic Auditorium was renamed the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium. On November 3, 1991, a free concert called "Laughter, Love and Music" was held at Golden Gate Park to honour Graham, Gold and Kahn.[10] An estimated 300,000 people attended to view many of the entertainment acts Graham had supported including Santana, Grateful Dead, John Fogerty, Robin Williams, Journey (reunited), and Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young (reunited).[1