In the "beginning"

[caleb_11]

The messages during Icke's altered state of consciousness made more sense than anything else on how the universe operates. The thing I find hard to contemplate is if there is no such thing as time, then how was this universe was created. The voice said that it started out as a 3D movie to comfort the subconscious in familiarity, and it eventually evolved into the monstrous machine we have today.

But if time does not exist, then the universe or what you guys call, "the matrix" should have always existed. Think about it, if there was only infinite consciousness, all one, how could it create something like a universe, because to create something, you need time. There would have had to have been a beginning, but there could not have been a beginning as there is no such thing as time. I am a little confused about this, but I still believe pretty much what David Icke is talking about. My mind isn't able to comprehend it, but I am still resonating with it. Any thoughts? I will add more to what I think after a few posts. Thanks.

[i am all i am]

G'day Caleb 11.

Welcome to the forum.

I'll use an analogy for you which I hope will make things clearer.

Imagine a clear quartz sphere as ALL THAT IS. That which is inside the sphere is ALL THAT IS, there is nothing else. Now think of the sphere as opening itself in the centre of the sphere and creating a space where there is not ALL THAT IS, a void if you will. Now the inside of the sphere peals away a layer of itself like an onion, a very thin layer, that 'falls' inwards upon ALL THAT IS, into the void (also in a spherical shape, a 3D circle). This thin layer compacts itself in the way that the DNA strand does. It becomes a 'spark' of light within the light of ALL THAT IS. The void gives it definition as though it was seperate from ALL THAT IS and thus the illusion of seperation is created. The space (the void) inside ALL THAT IS allows movement of the 'spark' and this is measured in time.

Now, as other layers of the sphere continually fall inwards and create more 'sparks', there becomes the possibility of one aspect of ALL THAT IS to interact with another aspect of ALL THAT IS. Therefore, each aspect of ALL THAT IS has the option of 'shining a light' to show other aspects of ALL THAT IS which part of ALL THAT IS that it is now BEING. In other words, choice has been created.

With LOVE.

[caleb_11]

Haha, I guess it is just me. I still can't grasp how the illusion was created, not so much the process of the illusion. If there is only infinite oneness, without the illusion of time, how can the illusion of time be created? because you would need time to create an illusion. It is a stage from no illusion to illusion (time). Unless of course that the illusion has always existed.

You said "Now think of the sphere as opening itself in the centre of the sphere and creating a space where there is not ALL THAT IS". If it is opening itself, then there was a stage where it wasn't opened and now it is opening (time). I try explaining this to people, but they usually trip me up on this one little thing, lol. Well thanks for your post, it was good in explaining how it was formed though. If you think you can explain again, that would be appreciated.

[i am all i am]

Haha, I guess it is just me. I still can't grasp how the illusion was created, not so much the process of the illusion. If there is only infinite oneness, without the illusion of time, how can the illusion of time be created? because you would need time to create an illusion. It is a stage from no illusion to illusion (time). Unless of course that the illusion has always existed.

You said "Now think of the sphere as opening itself in the centre of the sphere and creating a space where there is not ALL THAT IS". If it is opening itself, then there was a stage where it wasn't opened and now it is opening (time). I try explaining this to people, but they usually trip me up on this one little thing, lol. Well thanks for your post, it was good in explaining how it was formed though. If you think you can explain again, that would be appreciated.

G'day Caleb.

ALL IS ONE. Therefore time is one with ALL. It was, is and will always be. You are looking at time as though it is a seperate thing. Time is merely an aspect of the ONENESS.

With LOVE.

[caleb_11]

Ok, thanks.

[lucifershammer]

well i didnt quite understand 'i am all i am's replies myself. and i am not so sure you will understand my reply.

but all i can say is that... time is an abstract manmade thing. made to divide up this life we live into small sections. but if you accept that this life we live is also an abstract thing... made up because our consiousness is denied all that it should be able to access... then time becomes meaningless.

heres my analogy (rough as it may be): you're sitting at your computer right now, reading this. The operating system running your computer is 'time'. whether it be Windows, DOS, or UNIX. It defines everything that you do on your computer. Now look out your nearest window. Try to apply your operating system to what is out your window. you can click and type anything you want, its not going to change what is going on outside that window.

Now, walk out to the whatever you were looking at outside your window.


and look out the window.

[earthseed]

Have you read any of Robert Monroe's books? Because he does take this on and he explains it in much more detail. More than I can ever sound bite for you.