Reptilians In The Astral Plane?

[darketernal]

I've heard a few things about reptilians in the astral plane being encountered by people during astral projection. Astral projection is not an ability I've personally developed, so have no firsthand information here. Could anyone go into more detail for me on this and perhaps talk some about your personal experiences if you are comfortable doing so?

It is my understanding that they have involvement with astral energies and have a presence there, but my knowledge of this is sketchy at best.

[emanuel]

It is difficult to get solid answers on astral projection because the experience itself is very different to that which you would experience in your waking life. I have not had a full blown AP yet but I have had experiences in what I identify as the astral plane! Not an answer for you I know, what I'm saying is you are better off practicing and finding out whats out there for yourself because other peoples interpretations may be a million miles away from how you personally would describe such experiences.

It is definately something worth exploring though. Hopefully some people will post some useful techniques for AP.

[mauviene]

The astral plane symbolizes the collective unconscious. Everything in there is a manifestation of peoples imagination. And it seems likely that any reptiles or demons within the astral plane are simply thought entities created from negative energy.

[shankara]

I've had experiences with negative astral (I think) entities since I was at least 2 years old (that was my first memory, it could have been earlier). I remember being in my crib and looking at the wallpaper, which were rainbows, and seeing these “beings” or “entities” which overlaid the wallpaper pattern. These beings always scared me. Within the year, These beings appeared to be in an increasingly complex manner, at first it was static and then it kind of moved and swirled around. I’d only see it in the dark. I used to tell my mom that there was “a man in my room” because I didn’t know how else to describe it (I was around 3 or 4 at this time). Eventually, I found that when I put my fists up to my eyes, I would go into this other world. First I’d see geometric pattern, but then it would change to seeing these beings. With my eyes closed, it was like I was falling or floating among them (they’d swirl around me) and it was like a kaleidoscope. It’s difficult for me to describe, because I don’t have the words. These beings didn’t have bodies, or their bodies were energetic, and were fluid and changing. The “world” I floated in was the same; it’d see one scene (which wasn’t like an earth or physical scene) and then it would melt into something totally different. Somehow I could always identify the beings from the rest of the space. There seemed to be hundreds of them, or at least 50 or more. At this time it wasn’t in color, except for olive green/yellowish. I would go into this place until it scared me (something usually happened; maybe the beings would charge at me or something), and I’d open my eyes (usually 5 or 10 seconds into it). I would do this for the thrill or rush. I couldn’t always go to this place when I wanted to yet. I remember doing it in class when I was in third grade; even though it was scary I thought it was cool that I could go to this other place in the middle of class without anyone knowing. Sometimes there would be an auditory accompaniment. They would “talk” to me, which sounded almost melodic. I used to call it the “scary song.” It was in some strange language, and sometimes I could understand but I didn’t know why. I would hear them often when I would see them (but not always) and also sometimes I would spontaneously hear it. It would often be triggered by some other sound (like chanting, or a rushing/whooshing sound, like maybe a bus going by, or sometimes just the refrigerator buzzing). Again, it would be scary, and unlike the visuals, I couldn’t make it go away willfully, it would last several minutes usually.

Occasionally I’d also have dreams with them. These were always terrifying, as I could not wake up and I felt completely powerless. It was the kind of terror that almost paralyzes the mind and could splinter or crack it. Within the past couple of years I had the insight that these beings don’t actually have a language, but more they speak in nonsense words that encode their intent (does that make sense?), which is why I can understand it sometimes. When they spoke to me it was obvious it was a group of beings talking. Usually they would taunt me and laugh or say something to show that they were in control, one time they told me that I was their victim. This is different to the telepathy I have with my spirit guides, which is clear, loving, and inside my mind. When I heard these beings I heard them from the outside, not in my mind. They had no emotions or empathy and were very hive-mind oriented; even though it was a group no one seemed to stand out as having an individual personality.

Around the age of 15 the visions I was having starting appearing in color and a lot more intense. It was one night in particular, a few weeks or months after it started coming in color every time, when I just couldn’t get to sleep because they terrorized me all night. Because it was dark, everywhere I looked I’d see them coming at me, laughing, etc. Like I said, it’s hard to describe. By this point I wasn’t so much looking down into this world like when I was younger, now I was immersed in it and these things were flying all around me. Sometimes I could feel the energies going inside my body. Sometimes when I’d see them and then open my eyes, I’d see (and feel) a shadow rushing out of my body away from me. Sometimes I’d feel the energy go through me and jump on my tongue, and it had a metallic taste. I started feeling like I was losing control, I couldn't sleep because they were always terrorizing me. I know this sounds really bizarre but I’ve only done drugs once in my life and can function quite normally! I swear!

One day around that time I was in history class and decided to see the beings because I was bored. By now I would see them every time I tried to. It happened as normal, but when I opened my eyes my hearing was abnormal and didn’t change back. I could hear outside of normal range. There was a lot of movement and little noises in the class, and each movement sent of waves of sound that I could hear, and it was extremely loud. I could hear these waves and then the waves would hit the wall or ceiling and I’d hear them crackle and die down. I was terrified because it wouldn’t go away, and it got even louder when the class was done and I was walking in the hall. After maybe an hour it did go away. That has happened maybe 10 or 15 times since. It stopped being scary because the beings weren’t around; it just seemed like I was open to another dimension of hearing. So this makes me think that I’m defiantly tapping in to another dimension.

I’ve learned that it was not enough to call on God or a benevolent spirit for help. I tried, but it didn’t work because all the while I was asking, I was still very fearful and allowing my mind to be overtaken. In order for God to help, I have to focus my mind only on God and not allow any other thoughts. This is very difficult when these negative entities are right on the edge of your consciousnesses (you can feel them around, and you can see everything vibrating and you know they are trying to break through the door). It is very much like a battle or psychic struggle, and I think I have learned a lot from these encounters. I really have no idea if these are reptilians, or just negative collective imprints or what. I also have no idea why they have contacted me from such a young age, but I do have some vague past life memories of going through programming that could explain it. I have been able for the most part to control them/block them for the past few years, though they still try to contact me almost nightly. There is no fear there on my part anymore, which has made all the difference.

[izzy]

Eventually, I found that when I put my fists up to my eyes, I would go into this other world. First I’d see geometric pattern,, i

thatis exactly what happened to me each night when i was about 4

I’ve learned that it was not enough to call on God or a benevolent spirit for help. I tried, but it didn’t work because all the while I was asking, I was still very fearful and allowing my mind to be overtaken

oh it does work, they run in fear .. they do not like the light being beamed at them ..e spcially light that is powerful and loving ans compassionate and unrelenting.. practise connecting yourself and your energy to the light, ask for protection from dark or mischievous entities,

I have been attacked on the astral and when i have called out in fear and terror for help and prayed i have had the christ light beaming into the scene through my hands .. as if i have been superimposed by some very powerful being of light .. and they run .. and i feel quite sorry for them ..

[turbine]

I think the astral realm is full of reptilians. I really wouldn't recommend anyone to try and have an OBE just incase anything really bad happens.

http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/2008/07/19/out-of-body-experiences-reversed/#comments

[izzy]

I think the astral realm is full of reptilians. I really wouldn't recommend anyone to try and have an OBE just incase anything really bad happens.

http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/2008/07/19/out-of-body-experiences-reversed/#comments

well alot of people do not end up there deliberately .. and the astral layers are full of beings of light too .. depends where you are

[eternal_spirit]

There have been parallels drawn between the demons (demonlogy Kabbalah) summoned up in Satanic rituals and other rituals to reps. These demons are said to reside in the lower level astral. Problem is these days with electronic holograms etc of demons it's difficult to know what's what.

But this technology may have been hidden for thousands of years for all we know could go back to Atlantis or something.

[astro zombie]

The astral plane symbolizes the collective unconscious. Everything in there is a manifestation of peoples imagination. And it seems likely that any reptiles or demons within the astral plane are simply thought entities created from negative energy.

From what i've heard and read about astral projection, this seems to be the case. You become super-conscious, like a "genie" that can manifest anything at will.

But people who have done it and are familiar with it will tell you there are positive friendly entities you'll encounter and there are un-friendly or even evil entities, just like there are now in the physical plane. So if reptillians are real (and they probably are) then if you project enough you'll probably run into one sooner or later.
If i ever see one i'm gonna be like 'fuck you and your reptile bullshit.':p

[phildee3]

From what i've heard and read about astral projection, this seems to be the case. You become super-conscious, like a "genie" that can manifest anything at will.

But people who have done it and are familiar with it will tell you there are positive friendly entities you'll encounter and there are un-friendly or even evil entities, just like there are now in the physical plane. So if reptillians are real (and they probably are) then if you project enough you'll probably run into one sooner or later.



Conscious projection into the astral plane, without invitation, is an invasion,
and is, itself, reptilian behavior.

[element]

Conscious projection into the astral plane, without invitation, is an invasion,
and is, itself, reptilian behavior.

Not really. Unconscious projection happens a lot, it can trigger during dreams, I've seen it. Conscious is self control of vibrations and projection itself. Nothing wrong with controlling yourself. That said, have you experienced conscious projection yourself??;)

[phildee3]

Unconscious projection happens a lot, it can trigger during dreams, I've seen it. Conscious is self control of vibrations and projection itself. Nothing wrong with controlling yourself.


I agree with all of that except conscious, self control of vibrations being "projection itself."
That takes the added element of intent.



That said, have you experienced conscious projection yourself??;)



I have consciously put myself into a state of "self control of vibrations," as you call it, from which I have been invited into higher realms. I am carried there when I accept the invitation.

It may sound like a very subtle difference, -
but a very important one.

Peace -
(on all levels).

[element]

Correct, conscious projection does need intent. But what's wrong with a little self proof of being more then a physical body? ;)

You ever seen reptilians? :D

[phildee3]

But what's wrong with a little self proof of being more then a physical body?



Alot.
What is requires no proof.
Proof belongs to the profane, physical world.
We shouldn't be taking our garbage into the pure, astral plane.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j173/cabweasel/Art/astralprojexion-1.jpg
Astral Projection (2005)

http://bridesmound.com/Saint%20Bride.jpg
St. Brighde being carried by angels into the astral plane.

Take your pick.
The latter method reaches more destinations!

(click on pics to enlarge).

[element]

Good to believe in pics, oh my goodness. Any person in the world may question his/hers existence and practice and experience bring you closer to truth then blind faith. ''What is requires no proof'' , this is true, but people have to find this everything that is first.

[phildee3]

Good to believe in pics, oh my goodness. Any person in the world may question his/hers existence and practice and experience bring you closer to truth then blind faith. ''What is requires no proof'' , this is true, but people have to find this everything that is first.

Okay, carry on, you're only reaching the lower astral, anyway.

Oh, and I don't "believe in pics" - whatever that means.
They are merely depictions of what is.

[element]

Okay, carry on, you're only reaching the lower astral, anyway.

If someone questions his/hers existence, they are getting downwards? Aswell as experience and practice?? Blind faith is superiour? Is it wrong for someone to question and learn from experience? ;)

You make no sense. Also it does not give answers to my questions.

Pictures can't depict of what is. Please explain to me what you mean as ''what is'', and how this can be depicted? ;)

[phildee3]

If someone questions his/hers existence, they are getting downwards?



No.



Aswell as experience and practice??



No.



Blind faith is superiour?



Absolutely not!
Experience (not "proof") is superior.



Is it wrong for someone to question and learn from experience?



Not at all (see above).

But we're talking about intentional astral projection, aren't we?
What can experiencing this show that other forms of AP can't?
(eg. NDEs, OBEs, dreams or being carried there by angels while in meditation or reverie?)

[element]

But we're talking about intentional astral projection, aren't we?
What can experiencing this show that other forms of AP can't?
(eg. NDEs, OBEs, dreams or being carried there by angels while in meditation or reverie?)

There's nothing wrong with having intentions. Still I've yet to see a good reason why it would be. Because one person experiences bad things, so it goes up for everyone? You might have had bad experiences with intentional projecting, while I have not. It's up to each individual. I'm done here.

If anyone has seen some reptiles please share...

[phildee3]

You might have had bad experiences with intentional projecting, while I have not.



Neither have I.
Just far superior ones by being taken there rather than invading.



If anyone has seen some reptiles please share...



Yes, I've seen some,
but not where I prefer to be.

[csr21]

This link's already been posted somewhere else,but heres one of the pdfs off it. 'The Astral Plane, Its Scenery, Inhabitants and Phenoma' very interesting read, written in 1900.

http://satanicsingles.com/library/astralplane.pdf

[phildee3]

This link's already been posted somewhere else,but heres one of the pdfs off it. 'The Astral Plane, Its Scenery, Inhabitants and Phenoma' very interesting read, written in 1900.

http://satanicsingles.com/library/astralplane.pdf

Thanks for this, csr21.
Leadbeater was a true clairvoyant.
He saw, and illustrated, the structure of the atom decades before physicists did.
I don't know how he'd feel about being associated with Satanic Singles though, being one of the co-founders of the Liberal Catholic Church.
Dismissive, in a slightly amused way, I'd wager...

[shenoma]

I was taken there, but by my own soul back home. I have seen things I shouldn't but oh well, to much info I feel like I shouldn't share it with people because it could put me in danger.

I have consciously put myself into a state of "self control of vibrations," as you call it, from which I have been invited into higher realms. I am carried there when I accept the invitation.

It may sound like a very subtle difference, -
but a very important one.

Peace -
(on all levels).

[mariag]

I've heard a few things about reptilians in the astral plane being encountered by people during astral projection. Astral projection is not an ability I've personally developed, so have no firsthand information here. Could anyone go into more detail for me on this and perhaps talk some about your personal experiences if you are comfortable doing so?

It is my understanding that they have involvement with astral energies and have a presence there, but my knowledge of this is sketchy at best.

I have encounted atleast 4 reptilians during a short period of time .3 of them inhabits my closet.Please don´t think I´m a nut :*)I am completely convinced of what I am seeing is real.
They are tall .I can´t seem to see faces though , but I am not allowed yet .They are not with me to haunt me or do me harm , they help me to grow within my spirit. They say they want to teach me so I can teach others.
Even my children has experiences with reptilians and other lifeforms.My teenge daughter is in a state of denial but she has also encountered many happenings during her upbringing.
They want to keep a balance in all living .

[mcthompson2x]

I have encounted atleast 4 reptilians during a short period of time .3 of them inhabits my closet.Please don´t think I´m a nut :*)I am completely convinced of what I am seeing is real.
They are tall .I can´t seem to see faces though , but I am not allowed yet .They are not with me to haunt me or do me harm , they help me to grow within my spirit. They say they want to teach me so I can teach others.
Even my children has experiences with reptilians and other lifeforms.My teenge daughter is in a state of denial but she has also encountered many happenings during her upbringing.
They want to keep a balance in all living .

Just make sure to take a lot of caution when dealing with these entities. A lot of times those who "bring us the truth" only bring us enough to keep from understand the parts they're lying about. Even if there are some Reptilians who have evolved from self-destructive nature, there are a great deal of them who haven't and who are influencing this realm in negative ways by lying about their information.

[eyepod]

I don't think you really want to be dealing with the Astral or the entities that reside there. I am no expert on these issues but I would suggest you find out more about what your dealing with before embarking on such a journey.

Maybe read this for starters
http://www.equilibra.uk.com/shop9.pdf

[xpleet]

You have to ask yourself why astralbeings lower themselves to the physical plane, to help you? Certainly not.

[mariag]

Just make sure to take a lot of caution when dealing with these entities. A lot of times those who "bring us the truth" only bring us enough to keep from understand the parts they're lying about. Even if there are some Reptilians who have evolved from self-destructive nature, there are a great deal of them who haven't and who are influencing this realm in negative ways by lying about their information.

I am aware of that thanks ;) I only trust my instincts to be honest .
But my instincts also tell me that all aliens and spiritual beeings arnt bad at all .
There are good ones as well as negative ones:p

[mariag]

You have to ask yourself why astralbeings lower themselves to the physical plane, to help you? Certainly not.

And Why not? Why do you always think the worst of the things you don´t know about and don´t understand . Just beacuse some creatures do bad things don´t mean that the rest does.
Only an unwise would judge a book by its cover.
Are all humans bad ? Do all humans have evil intentions? To say and to think that all astral beeing s are here to destroy our planet and to captivate us is hillarious beyond doubt.
Its just like saying that all humans wants to grow up and become serial killers .:mad:

[phildee3]

We already have astral bodies.

We already have an astral plane existence!

We don't "journey" there 'cause were already there, -
it's just a matter of placing our conciousness there.

No (additional) harm can come to us (or any other being) if we do this simply as observers.