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h1s_l0rdsh1p
24-04-2007, 09:49 AM
Sometimes when I say something, it make no sense. When I think of something, it all shows up as an enigmatic puzzle inside my head. I know what every piece is, and it's purpose, and I know how to fit them together. However, rarely having the patience to point out how the pieces fit together, I am found to be confusing or just weird.


I rarely post here anymore, but I often read. I don't like to talk so much anymore. I found it almost irrelevant to even discuss among others. I'd rather just take the info that's presented, and objectively, then subjectively review it. And decide for myself whether I agree or not. So I apologize to anyone whom feels I have no place in coming here and just typing up "anything", without even giving feed back on what others have said.


Now, I'm going to lay out what I mean by my title of "Pain is Existence". I'm not asking for people to agree, nor disagree. In fact, your opinion has no effect to what I feel, think, or believe. I'm merely typing up this essay because I feel it has relevance to everyone. No matter how irrelevant one may feel it is for their life/story/experience.

First thing one must realize before I start off, is that human beings perceive reality due to different experiences of pain. Some of you may start to quote the movie The Matrix, but I'm not trying to point out a point the movie was making. When one is in extreme pleasure, we tend to say it's euphoric or surreal. Meaning that it has a sense of etherealness to itself. That it's not real. However, it's always pain that reminds people of their mortality. It's pain lets people remember that they are among other "real" people.

But what I feel that "the mass"(meaning the mass majority of people on this planet, not everyone) tends to not realize; is that pain is a must. Although many say pain must happen, they don't truly comprehend what it means. Pain is a means to create. And a means to destroy. There is positive outcomes to everything. But depending upon the pain you want, determents what kind of outcome there will be. You can live through the quick pain of a nuclear bomb exploding. Or you can live through the pain of converting that bomb into an engine to power a village.

Pain in a creative sense is a slow process. The pain is not extreme, however can be mildly, moderately, or heavily annoying. A person must have allot of patience to create anything. You don't want it to be "half-asses". You want it to be complete in itself. You want it perfect to what you want. Although one can say that a woman has extreme pain giving birth, this is explain by the fact that during the growth process, there is barely any pain at all. Thus, the pain that should have been there during the creation, will all come out during the birth. The pain of creation is a long, but in moderation. The outcome is beautiful. But as we can see in our world today. "The mass" has no patience for it.

Now we can look at the pain of destruction. It's a very extreme kind of pain. In fact, too much pain at once kills a person. That's not science, that's just common sense. Something "the mass" also lacks. But it's easy. It's quick. No need to give yourself constantly to make sure it's working. It can be done with the pull of a trigger. Merely curling your finger in the right contraption can induce your own, or another's extreme pain. It can even bring death.

What I'm trying to conclude here, is that pain is a must either way you look at it. Whether it be physical, emotional, or mental. In order to create, one must be willing to go through pain. They must "earn" that which they wish to create. Without earning it, you have no right over it.


Now, you can criticize this all you want. You can re-word it, you can copy it, make it your own for all I care. In this existence, I understand that we are all from the same energy(something I will write about another time), and so it's not truly my words. It's all of ours.


Peace... Love... And something in between.
-H1s L0rdsh1p

cleft_asunder
27-04-2007, 07:26 AM
The problem is that you're speaking about pain and pleasure as if you've had both, when in fact you live on a world that is mostly nothing but suffering, and joy and happiness are something that only a few have experienced here. I'm talking about the genuine joy and happiness. For certainty, we've experienced genuine suffering.

You place way too much importance on pain being the path to all things positive--to learning. You do this because you live in a world that only teaches through the school of hard knocks. I was beaten as a child and forced into doing things that I didn't enjoy. It wasn't a good childhood but I learned, and now I am nothing like my father. I am nothing like most people in that I have higher morality. If someone needs my help I will unconditionally give it to them, and all of this because of my childhood, which was almost helllish. But my point is that this is the only kind of learning we are experiencing. The "Life's a bitch, so deal with it!" kind of learning. Pain (fear) is not the only way to learn, and it definitely isn't the best way to learn.

However, I'm not totally certain about this. It may just be that even though positive learning is the most natural, negative learning brings a certain power to an individual that he cannot get through positive learning. If we defeat the controllers of this planet once and for all, we will finally fulfill our destiny as a benevalent race, but this long period of hardship that we go through will put us at a big advantage over other races who haven't experience evolution through pain. Now, above all, it's all one big roll playing game without purpose, but ummm, that's another topic.

the festival spirit
25-05-2007, 01:25 PM
Infinite pain, infinite love.

I fully agree with the first post.

I have lived with pain everyday until last friday, since I was about 11, My understanding now says, it is necassary to give you a comparison, my 30 years of pain has been a small price to pay for the week of infinite love I am experiencing..

peter19
25-05-2007, 04:08 PM
i think pain can deffinately make you see things diffrently and can make you stronger/wiser ect. i think its like life will give you things to learn and if you dont learn them in understanding it can bring it in pain and into your life experience. i like what icke says and its something like - we have a great evolutional thing in us in that we attract what we fear-. and it seems right and so in me what you fear you can attract and so the end result even though you have faced all this pain and suffering/fear is you are no longer scared of anything (of course im not saying im at that like lol) but if you have faced your many pains and fears you realize that there is nothing to fear anymore, you have faced it and looked at it in the face and you know that it cant touch you. so your bad experiences and what you were scared of once youv faced them can be totally liberateing.

gordonfreeman
26-05-2007, 02:57 AM
It happens to me a lot. My family has been living in pain for a very long time. But we forget it. Every sentient life feels pain: Animals, Humans, Aliens, Plants, The Dead, etc. Pain is unavoidable, it is part of life. Our everyday lives must go through pain at least more than once. Like what The Festival Spirit said "Infinite Pain, Infinite Love. Those two are the ingredients of Life.