New Reptilian picture! I caught!

[truthdog]

Check this out guys. I was watching, "911 truth rising" and noticed that Hillarys guard was acting strange. I paused frame by frame and all of a sudden, blimey! He turned reptilian around the mouth and a bit in the eyes. You can also see the prominent cheek bones.

Nobody has that thing sticking out, that is not.. normal.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u221/Ravenwind72/REPTILIAN.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u221/Ravenwind72/REPTILIAN-1.jpg

[element]

Not really clear, though a good try of you.

The question is, why if they would be reptilian, showing themself of in front of the cameras?

[truthdog]

well the one thing I notice is his cheek bone.

[truthdog]

you're right, sorry there is not enough evidence. Oh well I still took it for kicks and giggles.

[darketernal]

I'll throw this out there. From my experience I can prove your picture not legit.

You are still alive.

[element]

I'll throw this out there. From my experience I can prove your picture not legit.

You are still alive.

You've seen one and you are alive to, so where's this connection coming from?:confused:

[darketernal]

You've seen one and you are alive to, so where's this connection coming from?:confused:

The reptilians are willing to put up with many forms of resistance among their livestock. One thing they absolutely will not tolerate are photographs or exact representations of their appearance. They will as a matter of course find and kill anyone in possession of such a thing as a top priority, as quickly as possible, no effort spared. It almost seems like a religious or spiritual taboo, however I'm not certain on this part.

Again, this is from my experience. I'm not trying to tell anyone else how they should make up their own mind on things. I'm only explaining my perspective and my own conclusions.

[element]

Can you describe your experience with a reptilian, if you don't mind? Or have you posted it somewhere before?

[pac3lli]

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u221/Ravenwind72/REPTILIAN-1.jpg

Did you take that from the super high-quality version?

[darketernal]

Can you describe your experience with a reptilian, if you don't mind? Or have you posted it somewhere before?

As stated in my previous post on the secret society forum on this, while I could go into detail, there is a fine line between me talking to you about the subject and me commiting a federal felony by blabbing highly classified information. It is on par with me asking you to rob a bank for me as someone you just know online. We know the monetary system is a scam, and money is an illusion, but the majority of people believe it to be real, and if you rob a bank there is a reasonable chance you will find yourself in a federal prison or dead at the hands of federal agents in your capture.

That alone keeps a great deal of information hidden. Why should people risk their lives and personal freedom to educate masses of people who will simply say "you're crazy"?

Feel free to ask questions however, and I'll keep answers within the limits of those that will only result in me getting a threatening phone call or a visit, but will not cross a line where I will be forced into a court marshal or a violent confrontation. I've been a part of too much violence and killing in my lifetime already. :(

[darketernal]

Then we go back to a core issue of dealing with anyone who is a previous insider, myself included, and not intentially a disinformatoin agent.

Even Icke talks about compartmentalization. Each person is given only enough information to do their part. That information does not even have to be correct. It only has to motivate them to do their job as intended. We are dealing with pyramids within pyramids within pyramids. Some of my information was obtained directly from when I was on the inside, in the mind control program started in my early childhood, inside the CIA, some of it gained by accident within that system. Some of it my own speculation based upon that data. Some of it my own intuition, and by using my inate abilities further trained while in that system. The question becomes.... how much of it is actual truth? That is a question I cannot answer without lying to you. Anyone who tells you they have all the answers is either lying or delusional. However we do have the ability to find the truth within us.

[xxdinoxkarenxx]

[QUOTE=darketernal
Feel free to ask questions however, and I'll keep answers within the limits of those that will only result in me getting a threatening phone call or a visit, but will not cross a line where I will be forced into a court marshal or a violent confrontation. I've been a part of too much violence and killing in my lifetime already. :([/QUOTE]

Why are you willing to talk if you don't want to talk about all there is to talk about ?

[darketernal]

Why are you willing to talk if you don't want to talk about all there is to talk about ?

Part of me would like to see humanity free to achieve its potential. I guess I am not yet at a point in my spiritual path where I'm willing to take huge risks upon myself to try and give truth, which may not even all be truth, to people who will just be critical of it, assume I am crazy, and offer me no support, leaving me alone to stand against the system when it seeks retribution for my betrayal.

I've already paid a very high price for walking out the system. The only reasons I am still alive is because I am still viewed as a usable resource, at this point any threat I pose to the system is small no really not worth the risk of losing other resources in removing me. Perhaps it has not yet been decided if I am just going through a phase or if my programming has been completely broken beyond salvaging.

There are countless others who remain completely silent, just watching humanity and waiting to see if the masses will free themselves enough to make it safe to offer aid, who would like to help, but are not willing to risk themselves for 6 billion (is that how many there are?) willing cattle who seem to enjoy being livestock... who happily give their godlike power away.

[paradox]

in my experince they cant really touch people without concent from higher authority.

And when they do its usually just a lesson, but I might have been lucky;)

Ive caught some entity on camera phone and been controlled by what I thought to be a human and posted it on youtube .

look at my signature:D

Lets scour the internet for pictures and do closeups

Regards.

Paradox.

[darketernal]

Why are you so useful? I'm interested, are you ex-military or similar??

It is not me that is useful. It is my genetics. I've been involved with the CIA since my early childhood. My family comes from royalty, my grandfather was in Naval Intelligence, and I spent much of my life as a mind control subject and did part time work within the CIA and a number of clandestine operations during my teens and early 20's. I'm not willing to get into the details of what I did specifically for the reasons in my previous posts, and for the fact that I am not trying to write or book or sell anything. It would not surprise me if many other people like myself who have partially or completely deprogramed also traffic this forum.

I like Icke's work, because much of it minors things I've experienced, and conclusions I reached as a result of those. I don't buy everything he says, and I am absolutely convinced he is not exactally who he claims to be, but overall he gives a lot of good data on a lot of subjects and he seems to be making an honest effort to put out information about the reptilians, who are the dominant intelligent life on earth.

[truthdog]

I posted my experience. This looks similar to a reptilian is all I will say. But my story is this.

it was in Florida, when my mother and I were visiting my grandparents.
We stayed in the guest room both my mother and I. Two beds spread apart. That night something really strange and scary happened. I fell asleep, and I was dreaming of being in an underground base, something in which I had no clue of, since I've never done any research.
While I was down there, I was looking around and everything was very clear to me. There was a long hallway with doors, and all of a sudden there was a 5ft tall Reptilian creature standing beside me.

I got scared because it felt too real but it got even worse because another one confronted me, so I started to soar down the hall I wasn't running because I didn't feel like I was there physically. I felt as I were there in spirit.

This is where it gets really scary.

Now, instantly my eyes shoot open (This is real now) and I am frozen in my bed. Literally, can not move at all. The only thing I can move is my eyes. And right before I open them, I feel this "SHAKE" on my bed. And I look and see that the reptilian thing, was on top of me. Looking into my eyes, I have no idea what it was doing to me.
But I'll never forget them. They were large, round, catlike, and you could see how the pupil would get bigger, smaller. There was also a golden orange-ish iris.
I felt hypnotized when I looked into them.

Second thing I noticed was its mouth, grin. It had small sharp teeth, and it's mouth was slightly open. The nose was slitted like a V.

And the ridges of its eyes, made it look very menacing. I just will NEVER forget them.

This thing was grinning in my face, and doing something to me. I don't know what though. It seemed like it was. violating me. but I didn't feel any pain.
So the other one comes into the room now, I see it there and I look to the side, I see it jump onto my mothers bed now. She is unaware, dead asleep.

This lasted for 10 min, and I was thinking, "Do something, move your arm or legs, anything." But i just couldn't. I thought I was going to die. And then I saw him jump off of me, and give me a horrible look. Then he signaled for the other one to come over.

That was when I was able to move, I literally sat up and hyper ventaliated and screamed as well. Then I saw, And I am not joking when I say this. But I literally saw the both of them running towards the wall, shimmering in and out of existance, then through the wall and dissappear.

I was so shocked, I turned on the light and screamed so loud, And said, "Mom! Mom! mom! " And she woke up and was like, What ? what?" And I of course I was called a nut because I had said these dinosaur things came into the room and attacked you and me.

I was frightened, and shaking uncontrollably. Eversince then. I will never forget it. And That is why I believe the Reptilian Theory.

But I never EVER tell this story to anyone else, because obviously it seems too crazy. So I don't care. I know it was true personally.

Oh and by the way, shortly after that experience, my mom was dating these really strange men, and all of them were into aliens, this one guy Andrew worked for NASA, and was building micro chips. And one of the guys, Tom, came into our house at 6 in the morning, no car, just walked over and went upstairs, in which I got up and said who is it! what's going on..

so there has been a lot of crap going on...

and also. my father is friends with a member from Bohemian Grove, I babysat for his daughter and before I knew anything about that. His daughter was telling me how Bush and other people were using dark magic. That got me on about the reptilians, so I explained about them and she started freaking out telling me to stop talking about them.. I mean it seemed like I was in a movie or something. this is all real.. lol.

Alright I'm done. Sorry it turned out to be sooo long.

[darketernal]

I posted my experience. This looks similar to a reptilian is all I will say. But my story is this.

it was in Florida, when my mother and I were visiting my grandparents.
We stayed in the guest room both my mother and I. Two beds spread apart. That night something really strange and scary happened. I fell asleep, and I was dreaming of being in an underground base, something in which I had no clue of, since I've never done any research.
While I was down there, I was looking around and everything was very clear to me. There was a long hallway with doors, and all of a sudden there was a 5ft tall Reptilian creature standing beside me.

I got scared because it felt too real but it got even worse because another one confronted me, so I started to soar down the hall I wasn't running because I didn't feel like I was there physically. I felt as I were there in spirit.

This is where it gets really scary.

Now, instantly my eyes shoot open (This is real now) and I am frozen in my bed. Literally, can not move at all. The only thing I can move is my eyes. And right before I open them, I feel this "SHAKE" on my bed. And I look and see that the reptilian thing, was on top of me. Looking into my eyes, I have no idea what it was doing to me.
But I'll never forget them. They were large, round, catlike, and you could see how the pupil would get bigger, smaller. There was also a golden orange-ish iris.
I felt hypnotized when I looked into them.

Second thing I noticed was its mouth, grin. It had small sharp teeth, and it's mouth was slightly open. The nose was slitted like a V.

And the ridges of its eyes, made it look very menacing. I just will NEVER forget them.

This thing was grinning in my face, and doing something to me. I don't know what though. It seemed like it was. violating me. but I didn't feel any pain.
So the other one comes into the room now, I see it there and I look to the side, I see it jump onto my mothers bed now. She is unaware, dead asleep.

This lasted for 10 min, and I was thinking, "Do something, move your arm or legs, anything." But i just couldn't. I thought I was going to die. And then I saw him jump off of me, and give me a horrible look. Then he signaled for the other one to come over.

That was when I was able to move, I literally sat up and hyper ventaliated and screamed as well. Then I saw, And I am not joking when I say this. But I literally saw the both of them running towards the wall, shimmering in and out of existance, then through the wall and dissappear.

I was so shocked, I turned on the light and screamed so loud, And said, "Mom! Mom! mom! " And she woke up and was like, What ? what?" And I of course I was called a nut because I had said these dinosaur things came into the room and attacked you and me.

I was frightened, and shaking uncontrollably. Eversince then. I will never forget it. And That is why I believe the Reptilian Theory.

But I never EVER tell this story to anyone else, because obviously it seems too crazy. So I don't care. I know it was true personally.

Oh and by the way, shortly after that experience, my mom was dating these really strange men, and all of them were into aliens, this one guy Andrew worked for NASA, and was building micro chips. And one of the guys, Tom, came into our house at 6 in the morning, no car, just walked over and went upstairs, in which I got up and said who is it! what's going on..

so there has been a lot of crap going on...

and also. my father is friends with a member from Bohemian Grove, I babysat for his daughter and before I knew anything about that. His daughter was telling me how Bush and other people were using dark magic. That got me on about the reptilians, so I explained about them and she started freaking out telling me to stop talking about them.. I mean it seemed like I was in a movie or something. this is all real.. lol.

Alright I'm done. Sorry it turned out to be sooo long.


I absolutely believe you. How old are you right now? How much missing time do you have in an average month right now, and previously?

[pac3lli]

Anybody ever run into an underground hospital, complete with an enclosed POND with wooden docks on the side in which remains of humans are deposited and sit on the bottom? Humans stand on the docks and shoot at their victims, tormenting them, laughing at them, but not killing them. This all happens after the victim wakes up in a hospital bed with doctors and nurses around, but finding a clue in the bed that says, "I'll spin you twice next time". Suddenly a flat, white 'beam' of light opens up near the high, green-stained white tiled ceiling, two asian-looking men in black suits with black ties and horn-rimmed sunglasses emerge from the light. These 2 men have proportionally small flat-black wings coming from the back of their suits. Although the wings do not move, the men/demons move through the air with swift speed and no resistance, move into the water, and literally slash the victim with their teeth (which resemble a horse's teeth), then carry the victim back into the beam of light and all 3 disappear.

I had this vision in a dream several nights ago and it has tormented me since then.

[romas]

It is not me that is useful. It is my genetics. I've been involved with the CIA since my early childhood. My family comes from royalty, my grandfather was in Naval Intelligence, and I spent much of my life as a mind control subject and did part time work within the CIA and a number of clandestine operations during my teens and early 20's. I'm not willing to get into the details of what I did specifically for the reasons in my previous posts, and for the fact that I am not trying to write or book or sell anything. It would not surprise me if many other people like myself who have partially or completely deprogramed also traffic this forum.

I like Icke's work, because much of it minors things I've experienced, and conclusions I reached as a result of those. I don't buy everything he says, and I am absolutely convinced he is not exactally who he claims to be, but overall he gives a lot of good data on a lot of subjects and he seems to be making an honest effort to put out information about the reptilians, who are the dominant intelligent life on earth.


What is your view on non reptilian races allegedly visiting earth, their agenda etc. especialy I am interested in the E. Billy Meier contactees, they are also mentioned in other peopels work, thought not necessary same beings.

[tinmenace]

I thought you meant Hillary :D

Just kidding :D

[darketernal]

What is your view on non reptilian races allegedly visiting earth, their agenda etc. especialy I am interested in the E. Billy Meier contactees, they are also mentioned in other peopels work, thought not necessary same beings.

I do not know anything about them other than what I have read from Ufologists online and on the sci-fi channel. If they exist, I never had a "need to know".

My experience is exclusively with reptilians and greys.

To add to that... I am not saying they do not exist or there are not aliens visiting earth, only that I have no first hand experience to offer on this subject. I do not believe the reptilians or the greys to be aliens per se.

[limelady]

Very interesting thread!

Please keep your posts coming!

darketernal., If not alien, please give us your understanding of the greys/reptilians and who you believe they are.

LL :)

[darketernal]

Very interesting thread!

Please keep your posts coming!

darketernal., If not alien, please give us your understanding of the greys/reptilians and who you believe they are.

LL :)

I answer that in this threat, but will copy and paste here.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30556

Fair enough question. It is my belief that the reptilians are intelligent beings that evolved from dinosaurs, and developed technologies and a society on this planet long long before humanity existed. They genetically modified simians on earth to create humans as their livestock.

The greys are a semi-conscious cloned beings with a hive-mind type intelligence, and are very much like worker bees, have no digestive system or reproductive system, and very few thoughts of their own. They are heavily modified clones with a human base. They are in essence humans, but modified through genetic engineering so heavily that they no longer really appear as humans do.

It does not appear, from what I've experienced, that many alien life forms really have a great deal of interest in dealing with humans, as humans are not only not the dominant intelligent life on this planet, but are viewed as property by the reptilians. As a manifestation of consciousness, humanity has massive creatative potential, but it is heavily suppressed by intentional programing and ignorance.

That last part is my speculation if in fact there are aliens visiting this planet, and while I have seen no evidence personally that they are, I am willing to accept the posibility. My instincts tell me they would be more interested in dealing with the dominant life form on the planet, the reptilians, rather than humans first. After all humans are considered to be their property and they might take offense if intelligent aliens stired up their livestock without permission.

If I accept the testimony that people from Steven Greer's disclosure project or some similiar source, the perhaps there are a number of other species in contact with our governments... however I am not certain how the reptilians would percieve this or how that would be negotiated with them. They seem very prone to jelously gaurd and protect their food and energy source.

Greer has a lot of contacts inside the democrate party (one side of the illusionary coin) and some funding from the Rockefellers... so that sets a couple of red flags off for me.

[limelady]

Interesting take on things, thankyou. :)

I agree about Greer....I have followed the Disclosure Project very closely ever since the 2001 press conference, but I remain acutely aware of his elite/insider connections. ;)

[musti]

I answer that in this threat, but will copy and paste here.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30556



That last part is my speculation if in fact there are aliens visiting this planet, and while I have seen no evidence personally that they are, I am willing to accept the posibility. My instincts tell me they would be more interested in dealing with the dominant life form on the planet, the reptilians, rather than humans first. After all humans are considered to be their property and they might take offense if intelligent aliens stired up their livestock without permission.

If I accept the testimony that people from Steven Greer's disclosure project or some similiar source, the perhaps there are a number of other species in contact with our governments... however I am not certain how the reptilians would percieve this or how that would be negotiated with them. They seem very prone to jelously gaurd and protect their food and energy source.

Greer has a lot of contacts inside the democrate party (one side of the illusionary coin) and some funding from the Rockefellers... so that sets a couple of red flags off for me.

hi darketernal,

i mostly agree with you and thanks for sharing the info. i think higher-dimensional positively oriented entities (or aliens in a more restricted sense) can contact positively oriented humans, so i don't think that they necessarily have to get the permission of the reptilians, who are in a lower dimensional existence. well, this all relates to whether you believe in negative/positive path. for example, do you think that a humanbeing or a reptilian or any entity for tha matter can polarize enough to reach the 4th dimension? also, do you think that at least some of the reptilians are 4th dimension but can adapt themselves to 3rd dim?
this would also explain the psyhic or etheral attack that truthdog has experienced.

if you think this is the case then i think higher positive entities can contact positively oriented humanbeings without reptilian interference, although there is always a chance of that...

[sideshowkrevis83]

Part of me would like to see humanity free to achieve its potential. I guess I am not yet at a point in my spiritual path where I'm willing to take huge risks upon myself to try and give truth, which may not even all be truth, to people who will just be critical of it, assume I am crazy, and offer me no support, leaving me alone to stand against the system when it seeks retribution for my betrayal.

I've already paid a very high price for walking out the system. The only reasons I am still alive is because I am still viewed as a usable resource, at this point any threat I pose to the system is small no really not worth the risk of losing other resources in removing me. Perhaps it has not yet been decided if I am just going through a phase or if my programming has been completely broken beyond salvaging.

There are countless others who remain completely silent, just watching humanity and waiting to see if the masses will free themselves enough to make it safe to offer aid, who would like to help, but are not willing to risk themselves for 6 billion (is that how many there are?) willing cattle who seem to enjoy being livestock... who happily give their godlike power away.


Mr. Dark Eternal, there is one glaring hole in all of your talk. As you said if you divulged all the information that was presented to you in your time on the "inside" all myself and 99.9999999999999999999% of the population would do is call you crazy. If you know that, and I know that, wouldn't the people on the inside know that? Wouldn't they be giving whatever you told us if you did decide to give us the whole story from front to back of your entire experience merit if you suddenly dissappeared afterwards? If no one would believe your story, they wouldn't have to kill you.

[darketernal]

Mr. Dark Eternal, there is one glaring hole in all of your talk. As you said if you divulged all the information that was presented to you in your time on the "inside" all myself and 99.9999999999999999999% of the population would do is call you crazy. If you know that, and I know that, wouldn't the people on the inside know that? Wouldn't they be giving whatever you told us if you did decide to give us the whole story from front to back of your entire experience merit if you suddenly dissappeared afterwards? If no one would believe your story, they wouldn't have to kill you.

Scamper off little tadpole... you would do well to play in shallower water where the fish have much smaller mouths. I'm most hungry today. ;)

[darketernal]

hi darketernal,

i mostly agree with you and thanks for sharing the info. i think higher-dimensional positively oriented entities (or aliens in a more restricted sense) can contact positively oriented humans, so i don't think that they necessarily have to get the permission of the reptilians, who are in a lower dimensional existence. well, this all relates to whether you believe in negative/positive path. for example, do you think that a humanbeing or a reptilian or any entity for tha matter can polarize enough to reach the 4th dimension? also, do you think that at least some of the reptilians are 4th dimension but can adapt themselves to 3rd dim?
this would also explain the psyhic or etheral attack that truthdog has experienced.

if you think this is the case then i think higher positive entities can contact positively oriented humanbeings without reptilian interference, although there is always a chance of that...

It is my perspective that the reptilians originate here, and many have, over time developed the ability to traverse other dimensions of existence.

I'm not denying the POSSIBILITY that entities from other dimensions or worlds could make contact with humans, only that given the view that reptilians have of ownership of the species, that they would retaliate and would see this as a threat.

In fact I'm not denying that it has happened, only that such contacts were never brought to my attention, and I've seen nothing to date that would persaude me to such a conclusion. However, it could be lack of data on my part.

Don't accept my word on these matters as the final authority. Trust your own instincts. The reality I project is not the only possibility. :D

[jesta_g]

Still , its a good picture, coincidental if anything to show clintons guard of all people. also it gives a good idea what to expect even if its not real. as for these beings not tolerating photos etcetc .... tough shit! bring it on bitches! we are looking out for them and they are gonna have to kill us all if they want to stop us. that is their plan but screw them anyway. if i have the chance of a good clear image that PROVES their existence i will photograph it, make hundreds of copies and hand it out to thousands of people.

good work at noticing it anyhow :)

[jesta_g]

Mr. Dark Eternal, there is one glaring hole in all of your talk. As you said if you divulged all the information that was presented to you in your time on the "inside" all myself and 99.9999999999999999999% of the population would do is call you crazy. If you know that, and I know that, wouldn't the people on the inside know that? Wouldn't they be giving whatever you told us if you did decide to give us the whole story from front to back of your entire experience merit if you suddenly dissappeared afterwards? If no one would believe your story, they wouldn't have to kill you.

99.999999999999999999 % of the population??????? how incorrect u wanna be dude! the majority of this bloody planet is in poverty and in a third world country (due to these beings whatever they are) now take that into consideration, a majority of that 99.9999999999999% doesnt even know what a bloody phone is let alone a reptilian!.
im pretty sure if we had the chance to tell the majority of the world (especially the MAJORITY in poverty) that they and others are in this situation due to a race of beings that has hi-jacked their country/world and put them in the poverty they are in TODAY they would agree or even just understand.
dude once again get a grip and take the big picture into perspective here!

[darketernal]

I'm sorry I don't believe you in the slightest. I won't slur against you so please be safe.

Ok. You have a right to believe what you will. As long as you don't mind me putting out info or try to prevent me doing so, I don't mind you not believing it. Deal? :D

[lordzoma]

99.999999999999999999 % of the population??????? how incorrect u wanna be dude! the majority of this bloody planet is in poverty and in a third world country (due to these beings whatever they are) now take that into consideration, a majority of that 99.9999999999999% doesnt even know what a bloody phone is let alone a reptilian!.
im pretty sure if we had the chance to tell the majority of the world (especially the MAJORITY in poverty) that they and others are in this situation due to a race of beings that has hi-jacked their country/world and put them in the poverty they are in TODAY they would agree or even just understand.
dude once again get a grip and take the big picture into perspective here!

You are so on point in all of the posts I've read from you so far it's incredible. Someone give this man a gold star.

[thirdwave]

I'll throw this out there. From my experience I can prove your picture not legit.

You are still alive.

the thing is that's not really the case, the reason being and one point Icke has always tried to make, the masses are far away from opening up to any such realities so its very easy to brush anything like this off even if it was real..

If this was a real pic (I have no idea, looks odd but who knows what it is) they would easily debunk it... the average joe would not believe it and the PTB would only need the slightest of explanations to debunk it...

this is where people under rate the importance of Ickes work... its the fact that people find stuff so hard to believe as a reality.

should people get over this hurdle then I think things would really get interesting.

[darketernal]

the thing is that's not really the case, the reason being and one point Icke has always tried to make, the masses are far away from opening up to any such realities so its very easy to brush anything like this off even if it was real..

If this was a real pic (I have no idea, looks odd but who knows what it is) they would easily debunk it... the average joe would not believe it and the PTB would only need the slightest of explanations to debunk it...

this is where people under rate the importance of Ickes work... its the fact that people find stuff so hard to believe as a reality.

should people get over this hurdle then I think things would really get interesting.

My reply is not about the information getting out. It is about them NOT liking humans having exaxt representations of one of them. If you saw one and drew an exact sketch of it, it would yield the same response. It is a tabboo of some kind. I don't really understand it myself.

[thirdwave]

I answer that in this threat, but will copy and paste here.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30556



That last part is my speculation if in fact there are aliens visiting this planet, and while I have seen no evidence personally that they are, I am willing to accept the posibility. My instincts tell me they would be more interested in dealing with the dominant life form on the planet, the reptilians, rather than humans first. After all humans are considered to be their property and they might take offense if intelligent aliens stired up their livestock without permission.

If I accept the testimony that people from Steven Greer's disclosure project or some similiar source, the perhaps there are a number of other species in contact with our governments... however I am not certain how the reptilians would percieve this or how that would be negotiated with them. They seem very prone to jelously gaurd and protect their food and energy source.

Greer has a lot of contacts inside the democrate party (one side of the illusionary coin) and some funding from the Rockefellers... so that sets a couple of red flags off for me.

how did you find out that he is funded by them?... and if you have found out would that not imply they wanted you to find out? ... I mean why would anyone find that out?, surely its something that would have been kept under the table and with no real need for anyone to know about it...

a phone call... "here's your cash... dah dah dah.... good luck, give us a call if you need anything"

?

[thirdwave]

My reply is not about the information getting out. It is about them NOT liking humans having exaxt representations of one of them. If you saw one and drew an exact sketch of it, it would yield the same response. It is a tabboo of some kind. I don't really understand it myself.

interesting theory....

[sideshowkrevis83]

Scamper off little tadpole... you would do well to play in shallower water where the fish have much smaller mouths. I'm most hungry today. ;)

No seriously man.

The reason I ask is because if reptilian brotherhood really does exist then I think their greatest acheivement is that regardless of whether or not you know the real truth anyone who actually matters either a) won't believe it or b) is already in on it. Therefore they don't have to react when someone from the inside blows the whistle. They can just exploit him as a lunatic and no one will ever take what he says seriously.

And to that person who posted saying people in poverty would believe it. You are wrong and its already proven. THE INFORMATION IS OUT THERE AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE WORLD THINKS YOU ARE NUTS FOR BELIEVING IT.

[darketernal]

how did you find out that he is funded by them?... and if you have found out would that not imply they wanted you to find out? ... I mean why would anyone find that out?, surely its something that would have been kept under the table and with no real need for anyone to know about it...

a phone call... "here's your cash... dah dah dah.... good luck, give us a call if you need anything"

?


http://www.ufo-blog.com/ufo-blog/2007/11/greer-disillusioned-with-free-press-as.html

I found that link in 10 seconds on google (I typed in: Greer Rockefeller) and have seen other statement by Greer that mention his dealings with Laurence Rockefeller. My question would be, how could you have done 5 minutes of research on Dr Greer and not know he was an associate of Laurence Rockefeller? Or that he has admitted staying at the Rockefeller Ranch? Did you do ANY research at all prior to refuting my statement?

[darketernal]

No seriously man.

The reason I ask is because if reptilian brotherhood really does exist then I think their greatest acheivement is that regardless of whether or not you know the real truth anyone who actually matters either a) won't believe it or b) is already in on it. Therefore they don't have to react when someone from the inside blows the whistle. They can just exploit him as a lunatic and no one will ever take what he says seriously.

And to that person who posted saying people in poverty would believe it. You are wrong and its already proven. THE INFORMATION IS OUT THERE AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE WORLD THINKS YOU ARE NUTS FOR BELIEVING IT.

Now my question would be to you, are you fucking with me? Do you even realize I had my wife's life threatened over posting on this forum already? That my wife and I are now seperated and probably not ever getting back together, and that is one of the reasons I've reactivated my account and came back. I'm glad it is all just a game to you. Now if you are the pissant disinformation shill I think you are, you are welcome to come talk to me face to face.

If you are not, and I have misjudged you, then I apologise. There are plenty of other forums here for those who do not want to dicuss the reptilian issue seriously. However there are many of us on this forum who have had their lives impacted greatly as a result of the "reptilian reality" and do not find your smartass and patronizing attitude amusing or constructive. There are a million websites out there which are happily willing to debunk all of Icke's information. This is the one where we can freely talk about the subject without redicule.

[biblegirl]

My reply is not about the information getting out. It is about them NOT liking humans having exaxt representations of one of them. If you saw one and drew an exact sketch of it, it would yield the same response. It is a tabboo of some kind. I don't really understand it myself.

I'm familiar with this concept, although I wonder why movies in the last 20 years or so have been showing what witnesses say ARE exact representaions. What's up with that? Why the sudden change after forbidding us to show likenesses of them for the last 6000 years :confused:?

[thirdwave]

http://www.ufo-blog.com/ufo-blog/2007/11/greer-disillusioned-with-free-press-as.html

I found that link in 10 seconds on google (I typed in: Greer Rockefeller) and have seen other statement by Greer that mention his dealings with Laurence Rockefeller. My question would be, how could you have done 5 minutes of research on Dr Greer and not know he was an associate of Laurence Rockefeller? Or that he has admitted staying at the Rockefeller Ranch? Did you do ANY research at all prior to refuting my statement?


I have done no research on it and have not refuted your statement .... :confused:

I asked how you knew.

My point is, and one that you have highlighted further... that one only needs to spend 5 mins to apparently find it out...

IMO that's odd. As I have explained, I don't see how such a damaging thing would get out... Unless this Greer guy is not aware of how negative the Rockefeller's are and does not know he is meeting with the enemy....

which again would be odd.

[sideshowkrevis83]

Now my question would be to you, are you fucking with me? Do you even realize I had my wife's life threatened over posting on this forum already? That my wife and I are now seperated and probably not ever getting back together, and that is one of the reasons I've reactivated my account and came back. I'm glad it is all just a game to you. Now if you are the pissant disinformation shill I think you are, you are welcome to come talk to me face to face.

If you are not, and I have misjudged you, then I apologise. There are plenty of other forums here for those who do not want to dicuss the reptilian issue seriously. However there are many of us on this forum who have had their lives impacted greatly as a result of the "reptilian reality" and do not find your smartass and patronizing attitude amusing or constructive. There are a million websites out there which are happily willing to debunk all of Icke's information. This is the one where we can freely talk about the subject without redicule.


Yes but I am dead serious I just like to f around but my original point remains, why do they even have to threaten loved ones lives? I mean lets be honest I am a skeptic but even if I believed I would know that my views would never be accepted universally unless a reptilian came forward and showed himself. Perception is reality. If this is all true I am truly sorry for the struggle that has been thrust upon you in a world that will cast you aside as a looney. I do not really mind being a slave, if this is slavery then I still feel like I am free. I can pop in too human right now and play for hours if I choose and I love it. I have to work I don't love that but at least I have moments of perceived freedoms. You would not if your case is true. Didn't mean to offend you. I like to goof off but my points are legitimate, I really would like to know based on your experience why they have to threaten and kill people who blow the whistle, when the actual threat of someone doign that is still 0 nothing will happen until the reptiles actually blow their own cover I think everyone here knows this.

[darketernal]

I have done no research on it and have not refuted your statement .... :confused:

I asked how you knew.

My point is, and one that you have highlighted further... that one only needs to spend 5 mins to apparently find it out...

IMO that's odd. As I have explained, I don't see how such a damaging thing would get out... Unless this Greer guy is not aware of how negative the Rockefeller's are and does not know he is meeting with the enemy....

which again would be odd.

Or Greer doesn't see admitting his association with the Rockefellers could even be seen in a negative light, and he is trying to reach more towards the general public than the "conspiracy crowd" anyways. The idea is to put aliens in the spotlight, slowly, and get the mainstream public to focus on them. Distract them to the skys and away from what is below their feet and among them.

[sideshowkrevis83]

Also Darkman you said money doesn't exist,

I would argue that money is a logical progression in human evolution. Regardless of whether or not reptiles are controlling us we would still have to work. It would be impossible to have a society of everyone who works for free where everything is free, to many would free load. Once you find out as a society everyone must do their job and work for the cause people are going to want to be distinguished, some jobs are harder than others, thus money would be created. Important positions receive more because they do more. Even if the reptiles left we are still goign tobe a flawed race our brain is part reptile after all. So slefishness will always exist.

[darketernal]

Yes but I am dead serious I just like to f around but my original point remains, why do they even have to threaten loved ones lives? I mean lets be honest I am a skeptic but even if I believed I would know that my views would never be accepted universally unless a reptilian came forward and showed himself. Perception is reality. If this is all true I am truly sorry for the struggle that has been thrust upon you in a world that will cast you aside as a looney. I do not really mind being a slave, if this is slavery then I still feel like I am free. I can pop in too human right now and play for hours if I choose and I love it. I have to work I don't love that but at least I have moments of perceived freedoms. You would not if your case is true. Didn't mean to offend you. I like to goof off but my points are legitimate, I really would like to know based on your experience why they have to threaten and kill people who blow the whistle, when the actual threat of someone doign that is still 0 nothing will happen until the reptiles actually blow their own cover I think everyone here knows this.

For starters, releasing classified information that you actually have, even if no one believes it, is a felony in my country, the United States. So the issue there is not even the reptilians per se, but rather going to prison. Trials for this sort of thing do NOT have to be public trials. As for threatening family members, in my case threatening me directly is of little value, and I would rather not get into a long explination, other than to say they won't kill me. The reason being, they do not want information in the hands of people. The issue is not that most will not believe it, but that enough might get their hands on enough information to cause waves. They would rather disrupt the information, confuse it by agitators on forums, threaten and bully those putting it out until they change their story to add to the confusion, to make certain there is information overload with massive amounts of conflicting data.

As for your other questions, I believe you have asked them in other threads and got answers already.

[tim the enchanter]

Now my question would be to you, are you fucking with me? Do you even realize I had my wife's life threatened over posting on this forum already? That my wife and I are now seperated and probably not ever getting back together, and that is one of the reasons I've reactivated my account and came back. I'm glad it is all just a game to you. Now if you are the pissant disinformation shill I think you are, you are welcome to come talk to me face to face.

If you are not, and I have misjudged you, then I apologise. There are plenty of other forums here for those who do not want to dicuss the reptilian issue seriously. However there are many of us on this forum who have had their lives impacted greatly as a result of the "reptilian reality" and do not find your smartass and patronizing attitude amusing or constructive. There are a million websites out there which are happily willing to debunk all of Icke's information. This is the one where we can freely talk about the subject without redicule.

Well, it appears somebody doesn't mind this sort of thing in the mainstreame under certain circumstances:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnOtE1Wtkjw

http://www.tracieaustin.com/viewspecificpastshow.asp?ID=88&guestID=88

[musti]

Mr. Dark Eternal, there is one glaring hole in all of your talk. As you said if you divulged all the information that was presented to you in your time on the "inside" all myself and 99.9999999999999999999% of the population would do is call you crazy. If you know that, and I know that, wouldn't the people on the inside know that? Wouldn't they be giving whatever you told us if you did decide to give us the whole story from front to back of your entire experience merit if you suddenly dissappeared afterwards? If no one would believe your story, they wouldn't have to kill you.

well, 99.9999999999999999999% of the population is everyone except someones eye lashes. the percentage you put is even less than 1/hundred trillion, yet we are only around 6 billion. so even dark eternal doesn't believe what he says? do you mean is he a shill? (no offense dark eternal)

well, i'm just being picky but i think you should be able to present your argument much better than that...

[musti]

Yes but I am dead serious I just like to f around but my original point remains, why do they even have to threaten loved ones lives? I mean lets be honest I am a skeptic but even if I believed I would know that my views would never be accepted universally unless a reptilian came forward and showed himself. Perception is reality. If this is all true I am truly sorry for the struggle that has been thrust upon you in a world that will cast you aside as a looney. I do not really mind being a slave, if this is slavery then I still feel like I am free. I can pop in too human right now and play for hours if I choose and I love it. I have to work I don't love that but at least I have moments of perceived freedoms. You would not if your case is true. Didn't mean to offend you. I like to goof off but my points are legitimate, I really would like to know based on your experience why they have to threaten and kill people who blow the whistle, when the actual threat of someone doign that is still 0 nothing will happen until the reptiles actually blow their own cover I think everyone here knows this.

sideshowkrevis,

i see your point in being very skeptical about all this and i think it's a good idea to be skeptical in general, though that includes reppies non-existence as well as their existence.

i disagree with you that it's not important for reppies since noone believes this stuff. well, look this forum alone has about 18000 members, which half are somewhat active i guess and i think a little more than that crowd seems to have an inclination to believe in the reptilians (there was a small poll about this and i think the believers were just above non-believers). thats thousands of people, only on this forum. it's a fraction of the population but its 1000s fold of how many people believed in this 20 years ago... so you see my point i hope. if the rate goes on like this they would be worried up to a certain extent, thus your argument of 1/billion wouldn't hold true since more and more people believe in this every day, it is growing exponentially.

note that i'm not saying this reppie business is true or not, all i am saying is if they do exist, they would likely to want to control since something is going wrong from their perspective, too many people start to believe in this...

[sebastian]

Well, it appears somebody doesn't mind this sort of thing in the mainstreame under certain circumstances:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnOtE1Wtkjw

http://www.tracieaustin.com/viewspecificpastshow.asp?ID=88&guestID=88

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnOtE1Wtkjw

[musti]

Well, it appears somebody doesn't mind this sort of thing in the mainstreame under certain circumstances:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnOtE1Wtkjw

http://www.tracieaustin.com/viewspecificpastshow.asp?ID=88&guestID=88

wow, i've heard of this but never seen it, its more blatant than i imagined!
thanks for the link.

[darketernal]

Also Darkman you said money doesn't exist,

I would argue that money is a logical progression in human evolution. Regardless of whether or not reptiles are controlling us we would still have to work. It would be impossible to have a society of everyone who works for free where everything is free, to many would free load. Once you find out as a society everyone must do their job and work for the cause people are going to want to be distinguished, some jobs are harder than others, thus money would be created. Important positions receive more because they do more. Even if the reptiles left we are still goign tobe a flawed race our brain is part reptile after all. So slefishness will always exist.

Money is not a nature progression of evolution. It is a system of slavery. The mere fact that you see people who do not want to slave for a system as "freeloaders" shows how engrained a slave mentality is into your mind.

In a world where people are not programmed to be violent and selfish, but free to be who they are, where they are nutured, not brainwashed by religions or rediculous cultures, and free-energy technology is not withheld from the people, the need to spend 8 or 10 hours a day working for some business or company to meet the basics of life would no longer be needed.

If what you say is true about human nature, I've wasted my time, and would have been better off staying in the system. I'm of the opinion that in a nurturing environment humanity could be so much more than what you say.

[jesta_g]

My reply is not about the information getting out. It is about them NOT liking humans having exaxt representations of one of them. If you saw one and drew an exact sketch of it, it would yield the same response. It is a tabboo of some kind. I don't really understand it myself.

:) this taboo is going to swiftly change very soon. draw pictures of them!, take photos!, stand up to one of them let them KNOW we know,. if this is all true,IF THIS IS ALLLLL TRUE, on any level of the subject we today must not stand down to them or anyone who is going to harm our futures.look at the generation gap in hand here(im not an ageist at all or anything offensive :) ) but the worlds leaders arnt exactly of our generation or even ERA of time if ya wanna call it that (that kinda includes all generations). we are all ,no person set aside, all experiancing a "reality" that has never happened before (as far as we know). Be you someone like sideshow (whom i actually appreciate what he has said for me to say even something as mature as i what could) this is something we have never had to talk about before. YES this is big and it is going to cause devide BUT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT.

we are all mind-conciousness-systems obeying to programs written in our dna which is effected by magnetic fields from everything that "exists" (in particular the planets and stars, hence astrology) , in some way you are the person you are today due to the positions of the stars /moon/sun and time all altering your dna code,which is passed down through your parents and forefamily to you.interestingly this is why we have such common FEARS such as heights, water, insects/lizards, cluastraphobia etc, all physiological traits passed down due to the experiance our ancient ancestors went through when the "great flood" happened and this "war of the gods" began before the fall of "atlantis". we must accept this fact that we are all systems running from chemical programs in our dna/ brains supporting "seperation" and further harming each other mostly because we cant even love ourselves anothers respect anothers view of "reality" . DO I SEE THE SAME COLOUR RED AS YOU DO?

with the internet now we can effect anything at any time/place of the world by those we speak to and then altering their view/ personality in turn they which will affect another they and further adjust the "mind-conciousness-systems"(MCS's) .
singularity would have it that soon we will emmerge as techno-biological (not sure if thats even a term ) beings bridging this gap we once did not have ,is the internet not in someway a form of psychic ability ,in order to contact another on the other side of the world?

WE ARE ALL ONE and how you affect yourself and the world around you will affect everything and everyone in return. so thank you all for even having this convosation or any debate that happens on any forum at all EVER, you are breaking down this Mind-conciousness-system which supports devide and seperation by even contemplating any of the subject.

Due to that fact alone we are changing this world.
The question is are we going to find out the answer together as the unifield field beings we are and break down this "system" which harms all of us in some way?
OR are we all going to put each other down without truly listening to each other further wating to have our lives taken away and allow these fucking tyrannts to get away with this cataclysmic lollipop being taken from a baby ?

HERES A BLOODY POLL FOR US ......
HOW DO WE WANT TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH? -
1.WITH A GUN TO YOUR HEAD, A CHIP IN YOUR HAND AND EVERY LOVED ONE YOU KNOW TAKEN AWAY AND RITUALLY SLAUGHTERED?
2.WITH THE KNOWLEDGE(THAT WE ARE EVEN CONTEMPLATING) AND STANDING UP AND STOPPING IT ......... FOREVER!!!!!

answers on the back of a fucking card and send to NWO , P.O. BOX - YOUR FUCKING PLANET!
THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING UR MIND-CONCIOUS-SYSTEM I HOPE YOU HAVE A NICE DAY :p

sorry for my language and dramatics. i love you all even if i dont like some of ya (joke, i really do love that we can even have this convo) :p but if we dont find out the "truth" SOON we are going to be sitting in a concentration camp or in a reptilian (or whatever you like) sacrificial ritual about to get bummed to next week.

honestly tho i do love you all no matter how much of a "new age" hippy i sound.

[musti]

with the internet now we can effect anything at any time/place of the world by those we speak to and then altering their view/ personality in turn they which will affect another they and further adjust the "mind-conciousness-systems"(MCS's) .
singularity would have it that soon we will emmerge as techno-biological (not sure if thats even a term ) beings bridging this gap we once did not have ,is the internet not in someway a form of psychic ability ,in order to contact another on the other side of the world?

WE ARE ALL ONE and how you affect yourself and the world around you will affect everything and everyone in return. so thank you all for even having this convosation or any debate that happens on any forum at all EVER, you are breaking down this Mind-conciousness-system which supports devide and seperation by even contemplating any of the subject.

Due to that fact alone we are changing this world.

excellent post jesta!

i have always been very optimistic (as a gut feeling) about this whole situation and the middle portion of your text explains the reason so clearly.

most of the time, regardless of how negative the situation is, i am thrilled to be a part of this whole process...

[tim the enchanter]

Money is not a nature progression of evolution. It is a system of slavery. The mere fact that you see people who do not want to slave for a system as "freeloaders" shows how engrained a slave mentality is into your mind.

In a world where people are not programmed to be violent and selfish, but free to be who they are, where they are nutured, not brainwashed by religions or rediculous cultures, and free-energy technology is not withheld from the people, the need to spend 8 or 10 hours a day working for some business or company to meet the basics of life would no longer be needed.

If what you say is true about human nature, I've wasted my time, and would have been better off staying in the system. I'm of the opinion that in a nurturing environment humanity could be so much more than what you say.

Based on the book: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfcbshzkvUs

[jesta_g]

excellent post jesta!

i have always been very optimistic (as a gut feeling) about this whole situation and the middle portion of your text explains the reason so clearly.

most of the time, regardless of how negative the situation is, i am thrilled to be a part of this whole process...

nicely said :) it is beautiful isnt it. i want my childs future to have the chance like everyone else has , in fact that goes for anyones child. they are going to free u from this chain if we pave the the way for them. know what i mean?

lol thank you for reading my rant.

[tim the enchanter]

Then we go back to a core issue of dealing with anyone who is a previous insider, myself included, and not intentially a disinformatoin agent.

Even Icke talks about compartmentalization. Each person is given only enough information to do their part. That information does not even have to be correct. It only has to motivate them to do their job as intended. We are dealing with pyramids within pyramids within pyramids. Some of my information was obtained directly from when I was on the inside, in the mind control program started in my early childhood, inside the CIA, some of it gained by accident within that system. Some of it my own speculation based upon that data. Some of it my own intuition, and by using my inate abilities further trained while in that system. The question becomes.... how much of it is actual truth? That is a question I cannot answer without lying to you. Anyone who tells you they have all the answers is either lying or delusional. However we do have the ability to find the truth within us.

"The Lie is Differant at Every Level"

- Copyright Richard C. hoagland.

[darketernal]

"The Lie is Differant at Every Level"

- Copyright Richard C. hoagland.

I've quoted him on that line myself a few times.

[sideshowkrevis83]

Money is not a nature progression of evolution. It is a system of slavery. The mere fact that you see people who do not want to slave for a system as "freeloaders" shows how engrained a slave mentality is into your mind.

In a world where people are not programmed to be violent and selfish, but free to be who they are, where they are nutured, not brainwashed by religions or rediculous cultures, and free-energy technology is not withheld from the people, the need to spend 8 or 10 hours a day working for some business or company to meet the basics of life would no longer be needed.

If what you say is true about human nature, I've wasted my time, and would have been better off staying in the system. I'm of the opinion that in a nurturing environment humanity could be so much more than what you say.


You make some good points here, but wouldn't you say at this point this is the only way we know how to live. You speak of a nuturing environment, but we would need a nurturer to show us this light, do you have any hypothesis on who or what that would be?

[sideshowkrevis83]

Well regardless if it were to be true this reptilian agenda and we were some how freed of this bondage I would truly become an xbox 360 fiend, I would play all day, every day, forever.

[jesta_g]

You make some good points here, but wouldn't you say at this point this is the only way we know how to live. You speak of a nuturing environment, but we would need a nurturer to show us this light, do you have any hypothesis on who or what that would be?

yourself :o and the ones around you for a nice wee start. realise that you knew the answers all along and they have always been there to hear them any time, intuition and common sense are a gift, best using them wisely :).
the environment is a biiiiig subject that we have been lead to destroy without knowing better. simple care for our surroundings and learning from ours and each others lessons and actions which get the world moving in the right direction.

[jesta_g]

Well regardless if it were to be true this reptilian agenda and we were some how freed of this bondage I would truly become an xbox 360 fiend, I would play all day, every day, forever.

here here to that, lol id wanna have showers for weeks on end while reading books. lol its a bit of an obsession for me. get washed and learn at the same time :p

[tim the enchanter]

http://www.tracieaustin.com/viewspecificpastshow.asp?ID=5&guestID=5

Watch the clip.

[jesta_g]

http://www.tracieaustin.com/viewspecificpastshow.asp?ID=5&guestID=5

Watch the clip.

clip not working for me but im sure itll be on youtube :)

[lordzoma]

Yeah, but Jesta, you're being a lightsider here.

You'r implying the world needs to change, and that any of us needs to do anything at all to do anything in the first place.

Taking action against anything is playing the game. When you take action you will experience an equal and opposite reaction.

Have love sessions and stand up to whomever you want, but you will never change the game or affect the larger direction of events. These things are set in stone.

This is all experience for the sake of spiritual progression. If you want to exit the game, you have to transform your state of being and your mindset into being an observer. Watchers will observe, but they do so with the desire to alter the game for some reason and will take actions here and there. Observers observe for their own spiritual benefit.

Yes, orions and reptilian factions are in control of the earth. But is that bad? Isn't bad just a polarity term? It's equally good they are the leaders of this planet as it is bad! Frankly I would rather be owned by them then be getting destroyed by them. That would mean the end of the experience!

Standing up to FEAR is what must be done to spiritually progress. Once you get beyond the FEAR that is dredged up by recognizing the truth, and once you transcend the desire to do anything about it, you will be much closer to observer mode. Fear keeps you locked in the lower vibrations and lesser experiential cycles, and the desire to change things keeps you going in loops.

[jesta_g]

Yeah, but Jesta, you're being a lightsider here.

You'r implying the world needs to change, and that any of us needs to do anything at all to do anything in the first place.

Taking action against anything is playing the game. When you take action you will experience an equal and opposite reaction.

Have love sessions and stand up to whomever you want, but you will never change the game or affect the larger direction of events. These things are set in stone.

This is all experience for the sake of spiritual progression. If you want to exit the game, you have to transform your state of being and your mindset into being an observer. Watchers will observe, but they do so with the desire to alter the game for some reason and will take actions here and there. Observers observe for their own spiritual benefit.

Yes, orions and reptilian factions are in control of the earth. But is that bad? Isn't bad just a polarity term? It's equally good they are the leaders of this planet as it is bad! Frankly I would rather be owned by them then be getting destroyed by them. That would mean the end of the experience!

Standing up to FEAR is what must be done to spiritually progress. Once you get beyond the FEAR that is dredged up by recognizing the truth, and once you transcend the desire to do anything about it, you will be much closer to observer mode. Fear keeps you locked in the lower vibrations and lesser experiential cycles, and the desire to change things keeps you going in loops.

very well said :) yeh i entirely agree. thats the beauty of the "game" but thats all it is. yes by "lightsiding" one is affect its polarity in some way.

however i wouldnt like to be owned by them. this experiance is that of a mind-conciousness-system designed to lock us in this "reality" through polarity and many other things. as Mr icke and many other great minds say death is just the begining.
really we are all unified field beings manifesting seperate expressions of the same experience, we are one. these bio-chemical "transmiter" (not sure if that a good word to use) bodies we use were designed by the annunaki etc for the experiance of this "reality". when we die we are released from our vessel transcended into another conciousness form on a seperate frequency, however until that has also changed as this "system" of asenscion is still part of the mind-concious-system which was entirely designed to stop us from realising we are one.noone is higher than anyone and we all must cross the finish line especially our enemies. whom i thank for allowing to have this experiance of self realization.they have helped us as race greatly by giving us the experiance of free will through morals and ethics and having the choice to find what is right and what is wrong :)
with this also consider singularity and the coming "shift" in awareness/conciousness. now is a most definate time to be asking many insightful questions and learning many insightful lessons.

but yes everything is a lesson for the spirit, that lesson is also importantly to discover oneness, how we affect ourselves and our loved ones will affect our perception and expression of reality.

lol plus noone is perfect :p I have to say high-five to us for even having this convosation. im sure we are speaking about the same dog different colour. i love it tho :)

[lordzoma]

There are a few things I disagree with you on.

You say that we are all ultimately one, and are all on the same level. This is actually a lie and a trap you have fallen into.

We are all on different levels, individually incarnation wise. Higher Self wise (4d/5d) SOME of us are on that level, while OTHERS are not. I can tell YOU are a higher self in the 4d and 5d, but the majority of humanity is not. THEY are the ones incarnated by the nature spirit, and THEY are one. The belief that all are one is a trap that Sequentials want you to believe, because it is by forcing higher selves to consider themselves the minions of the nature spirit, that they force control and conformity on you. You have fallen into their trap.

Sequentials are not on the same level as you. They are what you and I were BEFORE we started this type of incarnation. The majority of humanity are on a different path altogether, and are manifestations of the planetary spirit. WE higher selves are completely unique and individual expressions of consciousness. When you grow spiritually you feel an absolutely incredible and profound loneliness because of how ultimately alone each of our higher selves are. It is through communication with other completely unique and independent spirits that we continue our progression upwards and beyond. It is by doing what we do now that we grow. If we were all together, we would be on a different path.

[jesta_g]

There are a few things I disagree with you on.

You say that we are all ultimately one, and are all on the same level. This is actually a lie and a trap you have fallen into.

We are all on different levels, individually incarnation wise. Higher Self wise (4d/5d) SOME of us are on that level, while OTHERS are not. I can tell YOU are a higher self in the 4d and 5d, but the majority of humanity is not. THEY are the ones incarnated by the nature spirit, and THEY are one. The belief that all are one is a trap that Sequentials want you to believe, because it is by forcing higher selves to consider themselves the minions of the nature spirit, that they force control and conformity on you. You have fallen into their trap.

Sequentials are not on the same level as you. They are what you and I were BEFORE we started this type of incarnation. The majority of humanity are on a different path altogether, and are manifestations of the planetary spirit. WE higher selves are completely unique and individual expressions of consciousness. When you grow spiritually you feel an absolutely incredible and profound loneliness because of how ultimately alone each of our higher selves are. It is through communication with other completely unique and independent spirits that we continue our progression upwards and beyond. It is by doing what we do now that we grow. If we were all together, we would be on a different path.

you are making a very good point :):) tho our opinions do differ (which is healthy).

you see to me even the idea of seperate dimensions supports seperation clearly and this does not compute. your higher self is still a reflection of yourself "holographically" on many frequencies all of which are affected by ourselves or others. when i say one im not meaning a "BORG" Like one i refer to the essense at which we all resonate on. unified conciousness :) we are all in this beautiful life experience as one learning from our own and each others expressions, when singularity arrives cosmologically there can be noone left behind including our enemies. anyone left behind will further support seperation. we need unconditional love.

either opinion im glad you bring your views up i will certainly look into your opinion :) do you suggest any writers/ seminars/ documentaries etc?

[jesta_g]

LOL also i dont believe in anything i just have a good idea :)
at least then i can change and add and share my idea without harming/imposing myself or others. please remember that for my posts :)

[lordzoma]

LOL also i dont believe in anything i just have a good idea :)
at least then i can change and add and share my idea without harming/imposing myself or others. please remember that for my posts :)

Yeah totally. More than anything else I recommend the matrix journals, which can be purchased through trufax.org. although 2-4 can be gotten on the computer through a method i describe at the beginning of my post matrix 5.

[jesta_g]

Yeah totally. More than anything else I recommend the matrix journals, which can be purchased through trufax.org. although 2-4 can be gotten on the computer through a method i describe at the beginning of my post matrix 5.

o0o00o cool not heard of these thanks. will have a wee snoop :)