Nobody Likes To Be Called a Fool

[Ian2day]

And perhaps I am the biggest one of all. To think that tptb give a fuck about anyone. Makes me "a retarded person" to use the language of Alex Jones.

[zarah]

So you think tptb care about us? Is that what youre saying? ...I dont think it's being a fool..it's having a good soul and wanting to see the best in every situation.

[Ian2day]

So you think tptb care about us? Is that what youre saying? ...I dont think it's being a fool..it's having a good soul and wanting to see the best in every situation.

I just thought that there was some chance that this ballot may make a dent in the public's consciousness. All it has done has made people feel that if they have similar views or beliefs about the system then they are in a tiny tiny minority. I can't see a way to make it a better world. I really can't.

When they rule with the threat of not just violence but ridicule and persecution of those who are outspoken. What option is there apart from going down a blind alley of introspection. Be the change you want to see in the World. Well its a sickening world it really is. I have been the change I wanted to see and it has left me by the wayside.

My weapons are my words and they have been stolen by the fascist corporations and given to people to peddle as their own all in exchange for letting the status quo remain. My lifes work to date has all been stolen. Stolen and shared out by the Beast. Even those who purport to be in a rebel army of sorts have left me by the wayside. So when I look at this election. I saw hope that the message would reach a wider audience than 110.

If the count was not fixed what does that say for me, for us as a group of people. It says that we are mad. For madness and stupidity are the failsafes of the system under threat. If anyone trys to raise these issues. It will be even harder due to this con of an election. Perhaps the biggest Con is in Conspiracy itself.

[zarah]

I just thought that there was some chance that this ballot may make a dent in the public's consciousness. All it has done has made people feel that if they have similar views or beliefs about the system then they are in a tiny tiny minority. I can't see a way to make it a better world. I really can't.

When they rule with the threat of not just violence but ridicule and persecution of those who are outspoken. What option is there apart from going down a blind alley of introspection. Be the change you want to see in the World. Well its a sickening world it really is. I have been the change I wanted to see and it has left me by the wayside.

My weapons are my words and they have been stolen by the fascist corporations and given to people to peddle as their own all in exchange for letting the status quo remain. My lifes work to date has all been stolen. Stolen and shared out by the Beast. Even those who purport to be in a rebel army of sorts have left me by the wayside. So when I look at this election. I saw hope that the message would reach a wider audience than 110.

If the count was not fixed what does that say for me, for us as a group of people. It says that we are mad. For madness and stupidity are the failsafes of the system under threat. If anyone trys to raise these issues. It will be even harder due to this con of an election. Perhaps the biggest Con is in Conspiracy itself.

What did you think would happen? David (Icke) would win with a huge majority? The fact is that tptb condition and indoctrinate us to accept the view of mm in all its guises as the real deal and to see people who think outside of the box and who have ideas of an alternative reality as nutcases.

Society has been taught to worry about the crises which affect its day to day life rather than the bigger picture of who is manipulating and controlling those crises -the microchosm rather than the macrochosm.

Rather than be pessimistic, see the positives in the situation. David's message has just started hitting mm in a big way. Okay, so he's being ridiculed a little, he's used to it. What he didn't have in the early 90's was me, you and the thousands of others who understand his message and are proactive in spreading it. If you went to Brixton you would have heard him talk about the old days when it was him, his assistant and five people in the hall..now he talks all over the world to sell out venues.

Waking people up wont take one bi-election but a continued and sustained mission which we all have to be involved in.

[Ian2day]

What did you think would happen? David (Icke) would win with a huge majority? The fact is that tptb condition and indoctrinate us to accept the view of mm in all its guises as the real deal and to see people who think outside of the box and who have ideas of an alternative reality as nutcases.

Society has been taught to worry about the crises which affect its day to day life rather than the bigger picture of who is manipulating and controlling those crises -the microchosm rather than the macrochosm.

Rather than be pessimistic, see the positives in the situation. David's message has just started hitting mm in a big way. Okay, so he's being ridiculed a little, he's used to it. What he didn't have in the early 90's was me, you and the thousands of others who understand his message and are proactive in spreading it. If you went to Brixton you would have heard him talk about the old days when it was him, his assistant and five people in the hall..now he talks all over the world to sell out venues.

Waking people up wont take one bi-election but a continued and sustained mission which we all have to be involved in.

I am a nutcase though!

Ok the micro level is more of a focus point for those who have been disempowered and oppressed. Yes you are correct in that people get caught up with the day to day activity's of finding resources to just be stable let alone create a new paradigm.

You're correct in that in the beginning there was just one lone voice which has snowballed. If it is to be a mission then it has to be formulated and a strategy drawn up. A manifesto. Which outlines the aims, objectives and rationale behind a shattering of tptb paradigm.

[mercuryrapids]

It's interesting that this by-election that the main parties had NO interest in ended up having the longest ballot paper of any in history.

Makes me wonder if fake candidates were put up to distract the voters in that constituency from the likes of David Icke.

[duckingdafta]

Waking people up wont take one bi-election but a continued and sustained mission which we all have to be involved in.

so giving out permissions to burn DVD's, (write books, though I haven't got any permissions for it yet) to hand out free full of free information all over the World from a little talk in Hull isn't a continued sustained mission then?.. maybe I'm wasting my time then as I'd normally be in bed.

[duckingdafta]

It's interesting that this by-election that the main parties had NO interest in ended up having the longest ballot paper of any in history.

Makes me wonder if fake candidates were put up to distract the voters in that constituency from the likes of David Icke.

exactly, what's £10G to someone of their calibre for an extra 20 eccentrics.

[Ian2day]

What I'm concerned about is rather more sinister than just fielding a few strawman candidates.

[red_ram]

110 people went and voted for David.

But how many, you suppose, realised he was right, that democracy as we know it is a pile of shit, decided not to bother voting but to spread his work instead?

If he had won, I suspect the result would appear in the media like when God Save The Queen reached the top of the charts. His name would be replaced with a blank space.

[largejack]

It's interesting that this by-election that the main parties had NO interest in ended up having the longest ballot paper of any in history.

Makes me wonder if fake candidates were put up to distract the voters in that constituency from the likes of David Icke.


I think you have a good point here. I think if only David Icke had stood he would have picked up many of the joke votes that the other independents got. Of course this would mean nothing of value, except he wouldn't have got so lost amongst that rabble.

[zarah]

so giving out permissions to burn DVD's, (write books, though I haven't got any permissions for it yet) to hand out free full of free information all over the World from a little talk in Hull isn't a continued sustained mission then?.. maybe I'm wasting my time then as I'd normally be in bed.

When did I say it wasnt? Its a fabulous thing to do..if you need any help let me know.

[zarah]

I am a nutcase though!

Ok the micro level is more of a focus point for those who have been disempowered and oppressed. Yes you are correct in that people get caught up with the day to day activity's of finding resources to just be stable let alone create a new paradigm.

You're correct in that in the beginning there was just one lone voice which has snowballed. If it is to be a mission then it has to be formulated and a strategy drawn up. A manifesto. Which outlines the aims, objectives and rationale behind a shattering of tptb paradigm.

That's a good idea. Praps David's next step will be to forumlate one.

[Ian2day]

That's a good idea. Praps David's next step will be to forumlate one.

Why does it have to be David? Anyone of us could be inspired to write a manifesto. We have to stop looking to others to lead us and be the leaders ourselves.

[disorder2k8]

Because we are just TALKERS, we provide nothing decent to the project. Even if the wearechange message is wrong they at least have balls and get out there and fight.

[lemonique]

Why does it have to be David? Anyone of us could be inspired to write a manifesto. We have to stop looking to others to lead us and be the leaders ourselves.

That's right! Ian 2 Day, MP tomorrow?

David achieved what he set out to do, and feels OK about it, and so should us as well (feel OK about it).

Lemonique

[zarah]

Why does it have to be David? Anyone of us could be inspired to write a manifesto. We have to stop looking to others to lead us and be the leaders ourselves.

Because if there were to be an organised movement, he would be the obvious choice as initial leader, in my opinion.

[red_ram]

Everyone seems to be down-hearted because of the results of this irrelevant by-election. Look at the bigger picture and how this information is spreading across the whole world, which would be taking place even if this by-election had never existed. Because it did, and because David chose to speak, we have another concise video of brilliance which we can circulate across the Net to reach the corners of the world. And besides, David didn't think it was important to get any votes, so why does everyone else?

[Ian2day]

Because if there were to be an organised movement, he would be the obvious choice as initial leader, in my opinion.

So are you saying that for parity to be achieved. We need to have one or both of the following? An organised movement as well as a leader.

[Ian2day]

Everyone seems to be down-hearted because of the results of this irrelevant by-election. Look at the bigger picture and how this information is spreading across the whole world, which would be taking place even if this by-election had never existed. Because it did, and because David chose to speak, we have another concise video of brilliance which we can circulate across the Net to reach the corners of the world. And besides, David didn't think it was important to get any votes, so why does everyone else?

The system won again. So we have to make the system irrelevant. Can anyone teach me how to uplink to a satellite and broadcast...

[creamspyder]

As an individual, and (hands shaking nervously!) avoiding the temptation to speak within the 'comfort zone', I just want to point out that 'Leader' is a much maligned concept now, and, what is needed at this time, is for each of us to be our own 'messiah'...... because a 'Leader' is nothing more than a scapegoat, a bulls-eyed target for the 'massed opposition', and an excuse for an individual to not assimilate ones own views thoroughly.

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[Ian2day]

As an individual, and (hands shaking nervously!) avoiding the temptation to speak within the 'comfort zone', I just want to point out that 'Leader' is a much maligned concept now, and, what is needed at this time, is for each of us to be our own 'messiah'...... because a 'Leader' is nothing more than a scapegoat, a bulls-eyed target for the 'massed opposition', and an excuse for an individual to not assimilate ones own views thoroughly.

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You put your point across well.

[kweli]

As an individual, and (hands shaking nervously!) avoiding the temptation to speak within the 'comfort zone', I just want to point out that 'Leader' is a much maligned concept now, and, what is needed at this time, is for each of us to be our own 'messiah'...... because a 'Leader' is nothing more than a scapegoat, a bulls-eyed target for the 'massed opposition', and an excuse for an individual to not assimilate ones own views thoroughly.

?

You put your point across well.

Seconded

[boots]

As an individual, and (hands shaking nervously!) avoiding the temptation to speak within the 'comfort zone', I just want to point out that 'Leader' is a much maligned concept now, and, what is needed at this time, is for each of us to be our own 'messiah'...... because a 'Leader' is nothing more than a scapegoat, a bulls-eyed target for the 'massed opposition', and an excuse for an individual to not assimilate ones own views thoroughly.

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Brilliant :):)

David Icke, AJ and other true conspiracy theorist would agree with you whole heartily.

[zarah]

So are you saying that for parity to be achieved. We need to have one or both of the following? An organised movement as well as a leader.

Both. For thr purpose of becoming an organised, proactive movement within this country I think we need to have someone in the public eye who can orate on our behalf, working towards the groups' common aim; the labell of 'leader' has been perhaps incorrectly applied.

Of course it's important that we all remain individuals and don't swap one mind cage for another but it's also paramount to be as effective as group as possible.

[brenbren]

As an individual, and (hands shaking nervously!) avoiding the temptation to speak within the 'comfort zone', I just want to point out that 'Leader' is a much maligned concept now, and, what is needed at this time, is for each of us to be our own 'messiah'...... because a 'Leader' is nothing more than a scapegoat, a bulls-eyed target for the 'massed opposition', and an excuse for an individual to not assimilate ones own views thoroughly.

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thanks for the point, i hadnt thought about it like that, you cant just send out videos for people to watch, you have to tell them face to face, you must be the leader that way. which i must try and do.. friends first, then family. mustn't allow myself to bother being ridiculed; which will be hard!

[Ian2day]

Both. For thr purpose of becoming an organised, proactive movement within this country I think we need to have someone in the public eye who can orate on our behalf, working towards the groups' common aim; the labell of 'leader' has been perhaps incorrectly applied.

Of course it's important that we all remain individuals and don't swap one mind cage for another but it's also paramount to be as effective as group as possible.


So we need a spokesperson? Someone who can be the focal point. The trouble with focal points is that they become the focus instead of the message. You know I think, it is a double edged sword so to speak. In that a spokesperson needs to be charismatic, to keep peoples interest. However at the same time. If they are too much the focus, then the message becomes attached to them, as an individual. Which can be dangerous, in so much as, any pitfall which befalls them on a personal level. Will be assigned by external forces, onto the validity of the message itself.