Is Paul really dead?

[croatiancoffee]

Will look through all the evidence, but love this type of stuff. Sir Paul McCartney MBE being replaced is a little too hard to take, but anything is possible. :D

[faulconandsnowjob]

Hi, queenofleon!

hey lostworld and falcon.....

I was watching the I'm a phoney rotten apple video's again at the weekend, and i think it is video number 35 where Faul is being introduced as BILLY!!!

Then there is another one where he is in a pub and some old lady says "hello billy"

And in one interview when they ask him about the PID rumours Faul says "I am just a veyr good replica!"

No doubt you know all this, but it is very intriguing isnt it!

Yes! Orb posted the entire video of him in Liverpool w/ "his" family at the pub. It was some Christmas special, or something. Anyway, Faul made Paul's dad pay for his own beer! I thought that was kind of tacky.

It does seem like Faul's name is William - probably William Shepherd, but maybe Campbell. Anyway, there's a thread on NIR about why that might be his real name. (http://invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2464) Here were some of the reasons: The Billy Shears reference (Billy's here), the fact that Abby Road's working title was "Billy's left boot," John & George's reference to "Beatle Bill," Paul using the name "Billy Martin" while recording his first solo album, "The Continuing Story of Bungalow BILL," John's unreleased "Billy and Sally" song, the outtake on "Let It Be", where he chimes,
There's still a chance----BILL----that they may see......." There's also the connection to Billy Pepper & the Pepperpots (info here http://only1rad.proboards62.com/index.cgi?board=faker&action=display&thread=1073&page=1)

[diamond dogs]

I was watching this vid of Morrissey and he comes out with a remark regarding McCartney (4 min 26secs) ... 'Paul McCartney is being treated now as the last remaining Beatle.....which he isn't'

I am not attaching that he beleives he is a fake but it is a bit odd because Starkey is still about (his ugly mug on the Aviva ads :eek:)

Isn't the adams apple the bit that would give it away and from the pics I have seen they look the same?.. However nothing would surprise me...

http://www.cryosites.com/tag/Morrissey

It's the..
morrissey interview bbc
culture show video (nr botto of page)

(does not seem to want to play from the link)

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ diamond dogs, That's so interesting. Thanks! Video will play here

Morrissey Interview - BBC Culture Show - YouTube

Anyway all i said was i think pauls children would know if that were there father or not, and linda married an imposter and didn't know it? so in actual fact this imposter is what the mccartney children know as there dad?
Paul's children DO know! Here is the info about Bettina Krischbin again, who claims to be Paul's daughter.

Bettina Krischbin's paternity suit claimed a stand in was sent for a blood test in 1983. Background info at:

Paul McCartney Under Investigation in Berlin
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,483950,00.html

From Hardinghaus, Barbara, "Papa Paul," Der Spiegel, 25. Juni 2007.

...At the top of the piece of paper, there stood “Proof of Identity,” and it dealt with a form that James Paul McCartney, Pass Number PB033834033839, signed back in the beginning of the 1980’s, when his blood was taken.

On the identification there was a photo attached, a Polaroid of his face.

Bettina Krischbin looked at this face a long time. It is, as stated in the documents, Paul McCartney’s face. She committed that face to memory, went home, and looked at pictures of McCartney in the ’80’s. She found that he looked different at this time than he did on the Polaroid, fuller.

“He sent a Double to the test back then,” she said. Her mother sat next to her, smoked, and nodded silently.

From F.v.Mutius; B. Jänichen, “Ermittlungen gegen McCartney eingestellt; Berlinerin verliert Kampf um angebliche Vaterschaft des Ex-Beatle,” DIE WELT, 25. Mai 2007:

...She [Bettina] had assembled proof and had gotten ‘two important witnesses,’ who belonged to McCartney’s circle of aquaintances. The world famous singer once supposedly told them, that he had cheated on the blood test...

From Patrick Goldstein, “Berliner Staatsanwalt ermittelt gegen Paul McCartney,” DIE WELT, 19. Mai 2007.

[Recently looking in the files, Bettina] saw a photo together with a signature from the day blood was taken in London. Her verdict: “That is not McCartney. The real McCartney had at this time a much fuller face. The man in the photo looks like McCartney. But he isn’t.” Even the signature is supposedly false. This signature does not hold up to a comparison with the original in the Hamburger Beatles-Museum. In addition: “Friends of mine have looked at and said: a right-handed person wrote that.”

paul is dead - the rotten apple 52 2 (about Bettina)
paul is dead - the rotten apple 52 11 - YouTube

Html file with a combination of German/English news reports:
http://www.jojoplace.org/Shoebox/McCartney_paternity_case.htm

[faulconandsnowjob]

Paul's children DO know!

Bettina Krischbin's maintenance/paternity suit claimed a stand in was sent for a blood test in 1983. Background info at:

Paul McCartney Under Investigation in Berlin
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,483950,00.html

From Hardinghaus, Barbara, "Papa Paul," Der Spiegel, 25. Juni 2007.

...At the top of the piece of paper, there stood “Proof of Identity,” and it dealt with a form that James Paul McCartney, Pass Number PB033834033839, signed back in the beginning of the 1980’s, when his blood was taken.

On the identification there was a photo attached, a Polaroid of his face.

Bettina Krischbin looked at this face a long time. It is, as stated in the documents, Paul McCartney’s face. She committed that face to memory, went home, and looked at pictures of McCartney in the ’80’s. She found that he looked different at this time than he did on the Polaroid, fuller.

“He sent a Double to the test back then,” she said. Her mother sat next to her, smoked, and nodded silently.

From F.v.Mutius; B. Jänichen, “Ermittlungen gegen McCartney eingestellt; Berlinerin verliert Kampf um angebliche Vaterschaft des Ex-Beatle,” DIE WELT, 25. Mai 2007:

...She [Bettina] had assembled proof and had gotten ‘two important witnesses,’ who belonged to McCartney’s circle of aquaintances. The world famous singer once supposedly told them, that he had cheated on the blood test...

From Patrick Goldstein, “Berliner Staatsanwalt ermittelt gegen Paul McCartney,” DIE WELT, 19. Mai 2007.

[Recently looking in the files, Bettina] saw a photo together with a signature from the day blood was taken in London. Her verdict: “That is not McCartney. The real McCartney had at this time a much fuller face. The man in the photo looks like McCartney. But he isn’t.” Even the signature is supposedly false. This signature does not hold up to a comparison with the original in the Hamburger Beatles-Museum. In addition: “Friends of mine have looked at and said: a right-handed person wrote that.”

paul is dead - the rotten apple 52 2 (about Bettina)
paul is dead - the rotten apple 52 11 - YouTube

Html file with a combination of German/English news reports:
http://www.jojoplace.org/Shoebox/McCartney_paternity_case.htm

[faulconandsnowjob]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/OnlyBeatles/FaulPaulFPaul.jpg

^ The White Album pic of Faul seems to be a composite.

[fireman]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/OnlyBeatles/FaulPaulFPaul.jpg

^ The White Album pic of Faul seems to be a composite.


That is just two different photos from the same session, nothing spectacular.

But you want so desperatly believe...

[fireman]

same guy

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/Copyofbigbrowneyes_comp.gif

[faulconandsnowjob]

fireman, I really get that you can't tell the difference between Paul & Faul. Those are pics of 2 different people that have been blended together to make the composite White Album pic. It's not about "believing." I can SEE the difference. It's you who is stuck in your mental prison - believing it's the same person. I guess you feel safe there. Well, have fun in your fake reality. Even the pics you post show they're not the same - but you can't see it :-P

[fireman]

fireman, I really get that you can't tell the difference between Paul & Faul. Those are pics of 2 different people that have been blended together to make the composite White Album pic. It's not about "believing." I can SEE the difference. It's you who is stuck in your mental prison - believing it's the same person. I guess you feel safe there. Well, have fun in your fake reality. Even the pics you post show they're not the same - but you can't see it :-P


lol. its funny, because you are the conspiracy-gal, but you are so stuck in your little world and cant accept anything that is against "your truth". it is ridiculous, how you constantly discredit Paul, whom i think you really like (at least when he was young)
It annoys me that you PIDers are so negative! I believe in the good of the world, i love the Beatles. You are believing in conspiracies, impostors, illuminati and what not. If i am right - then all you caused is making the Beatles and Paul into a bad thing for many people.
And you call ME disinfo?? :(

[pinkfreud]

fireman's pics are of the same person. sorry, no difference in features there.

[faulconandsnowjob]

how you constantly discredit Paul, whom i think you really like (at least when he was young)
I'm not discrediting Paul! I'm trying to bring to light what happened to him. Of course, I love Paul. It is horrible that he was (most likely) killed & (definitely) replaced. He was an incredible talent, & his loss was a terrible tragedy.

It annoys me that you PIDers are so negative!
LOL! Oh, ok, Kettle, b/c you're never negative. I think you PIA'ers have to resort to insults b/c your position isn't very strong. I think the photos speak for themselves, so I don't have to call you "stupid" or "delusional" to bolster my position. I really do believe you that you can't tell the difference. I just think you're not very observant, or don't have a very good eye for detail. Not being able to tell that these are 2 different people is a little weird to me, though.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/blueeyes3.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/comp_MMT.jpg

Should be able to tell it's not the same guy

[fireman]

I'm not discrediting Paul! I'm trying to bring to light what happened to him. Of course, I love Paul. It is horrible that he was (most likely) killed & (definitely) replaced. He was an incredible talent, & his loss was a terrible tragedy.


LOL! Oh, ok, Kettle, b/c you're never negative. I think you PIA'ers have to resort to insults b/c your position isn't very strong. I think the photos speak for themselves, so I don't have to call you "stupid" or "delusional" to bolster my position. I really do believe you that you can't tell the difference. I just think you're not very observant, or don't have a very good eye for detail. Not being able to tell that these are 2 different people is a little weird to me, though.



I neither called you stupid or delusional

And yes i think that you have a negative vibe - because you transform a good thing (the Beatles and Paul) into something negative.

And that is not meant as an insult - just my opinion.

Also i think you and your friends are so hooked on the idea of PID that it is your perception that is twisted - not mine!

[faulconandsnowjob]

Well, I think you have a negative vibe b/c you're trying to keep people from seeing the Truth. You're trying to prevent people from waking up & seeing reality how it really is, & not how the media/TPTB have represented it. I'm really sorry if it upsets you that Paul was replaced. I found it very upsetting, too. However, I think it's important to not stick your head in the sand.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/paul_mccartney_faux_paul_comparison.jpg

[fireman]

Should be able to tell it's the same guy


http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/sidebyside.gif

(both pics from your PID board)



same guy

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/vlcsnap-59472.gif


its just the beard and the hair:

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/first_fading.gif



see?
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/CUM00fade9.gif

just the haircut!



40 years later - still Paul

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/comp1.gif


http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/macca_body_fiddy.gif

[fireman]

And i don't want people to be fooled by you

it's the same Paul

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/P45.gif

[fireman]

But we had this before Faulcon. I am not particularly against you. I just don't like that you are talking about that conspiracy hoax as if it was truth and not some "theory". I don't like it, because i think that Paul doesn't deserve that.
Just leave the man in peace!

[faulconandsnowjob]

I will not stop trying to get the Truth out. It is not a "theory" that Paul was replaced. It's a fact.

This pic of yours shows they're not the same. I think I've posted it on a picture thread on PID Miss Him.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/P45.gif

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/comp_mt_man_faul.jpg

[fireman]

This is what tricks people into believing PID:


its perspective distortion


http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/PID%20stuff/new3.gif


http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/PID%20stuff/new6.gif



all 4 pictures are of pre 1967 James Paul Mccartney, though you could say:

"look at the jaw and the chin", "look at the different nose" "lok at the ears!!" etc. etc.
:cool:

[faulconandsnowjob]

Look - they're 2 different people :D

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/fool_hill_comp.jpg

[fireman]

That can easily be said for "those men" :rolleyes::



This is what tricks people into believing PID:


its perspective distortion


http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/PID%20stuff/new3.gif


http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/PID%20stuff/new6.gif



all 4 pictures are of pre 1967 James Paul Mccartney, though you could say:

"look at the jaw and the chin", "look at the different nose" "lok at the ears!!" etc. etc.
:cool:

[faulconandsnowjob]

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/comp_1963.jpg

Mind Games - John Lennon
Mind Games - John Lennon - YouTube

[orbandsceptre27]

I believe in the good of the world, i love the Beatles. You are believing in conspiracies, impostors, illuminati and what not. If i am right - then all you caused is making the Beatles and Paul into a bad thing for many people.
And you call ME disinfo??


Yes you`re a silly little disinfo agent who first posted on the second page of this thread :)

- redman

- lightman

- fireman

- conman!

[humito]

Look - they're 2 different people :D

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/fool_hill_comp.jpg

lol mmmmmmmmmmm now paul has green eyes and faul has brown.....................how did that happen you nutters:D

[fireman]

Yes you`re a silly little disinfo agent who first posted on the second page of this thread :)

- redman

- lightman

- fireman

- conman!

1) i have nothing to do with those users, i called myself fireman because of pauls new album project, with the same title..

2) who are you to insult me?

3) you really think i am a disinfo agent? then you are a poor, silly conspiracy-poisoned mind. i feel sorry for you and i have to laugh about you at the same time.

4) all i do is to post against YOUR disinfo strategy. Why cant you accept the validity of my posts? only because they are against your believe? very narrow-minded for a conspiracy-believer

[humito]

Difft colored eyes again. Check out how the eyebrows change, too.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/PaulBill20years.jpg.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/PaulnBill.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/faul_paul_eye_distance_comparison.jpghttp://www.streamingoldies.com/content-images/wimh/DayLife.jpg

more pics of Faul without GREEN eyes...............i wish people would make their minds up as to what color eyes he is supposed to have:D...........................earlir on in these threads people were going mental saying that faul has green eyes mmmmmmmmmmmmm:rolleyes:

[orbandsceptre27]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t816msm5nBc&eurl=http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30205&page=131

humito - as i said before you are misinterpreting what he says to suit your agenda,.....you now ignore the fact that you have been shown to be ignorant about the formation of the beatles and concentrate on what paul says


You should start practicing what you preach here Humito -

"When you think about it, I`d never actually done it before I joined..... the Beatles it was an already............ a set up affair."

Hello............... does it need to be any clearer than this? Who`s drawing on assumptions now?? This is why few spot the differences, they assume too much instead of beginning with a clean slate.

He never mentions the Quarrymen. Paul McCartney joined the Quarrymen in July 1957. George Harrison joined in March 1958 and Ringo was the last to join the group which was to become the Beatles.

In the video here he (Bill) says The Beatles, not the Quarrymen so assume whatever you like. Some people have to deal with facts.

[orbandsceptre27]

1) i have nothing to do with those users, i called myself fireman because of pauls new album project, with the same title..

Yes....... and I drive a gold plated, diamond studded volkswagen Beatle.

2) who are you to insult me?

If you feel insulted that`s your problem.

3) you really think i am a disinfo agent? then you are a poor, silly conspiracy-poisoned mind. i feel sorry for you and i have to laugh about you at the same time.

You go ahead and have a good laugh mate, they say it`s very therapeutic :D.

4) all i do is to post against YOUR disinfo strategy. Why cant you accept the validity of my posts? only because they are against your believe? very narrow-minded for a conspiracy-believer

I`m here to show Paul McCartney was permanently replaced. When people examine the area closely they`ll see that the man presently claiming to be McCartney is a fraud - a likeable fraud - but an imposter none the less!

[fireman]

Yes....... and I drive a gold plated, diamond studded volkswagen Beatle.


you do?

[orbandsceptre27]

1) i have nothing to do with those users, i called myself fireman because of pauls new album project, with the same title..


^ I believe you too fireman........ when millions wouldn`t :rolleyes:

[fireman]

^ I believe you too fireman........ when millions wouldn`t :rolleyes:


unfortunately, i cant tell if that is meant in a sarcastic way (english is not my mother tongue)
But i just consider it as true and as if you really mean it.
Believe me, if i would have been on this thread earlier, i would have posted all my good PIA comps! :p (i actually did some weeks ago or so.. but also with this one nickname)


still it doesn't matter. you can believe that i am different users, that Paul Mccartney was replaced and that lizards or geckos rule the world. you won't listen to my arguments whatever they where - because you already made up your mind. and you won't change that what already has been made up, will you?

[fireman]

one more thing:

for all i know you could be posting here under other nicknames, too.

i guess you are Faulconsnowjob, right?

There are not many people on this earth, so desparatly believing in PID

[orbandsceptre27]

one more thing:

for all i know you could be posting here under other nicknames, too.

i guess you are Faulconsnowjob, right?

There are not many people on this earth, so desparatly believing in PID

I`m in Dublin, Ireland - Faulcon lives close to the west coast in the US.

Are you opening a file??

[fireman]

I`m in Dublin, Ireland - Faulcon lives close to the west coast in the US.

Are you opening a file??

Thats easy to say, for all i know you could sit in China, Dublin, or the moon (if they had Internet there)

I am in Sweden and the other guys (that you think i am) are probably in different countries.

I still think it would fit that you and Faulcon are one and the same.

We'll never know

[fireman]

Hey, i live in Ireland now too!

Wanna meet me for a coffee? :p

[faulconandsnowjob]

Are you opening a file??
LOL! Too funny :)

Fireman, you should really look carefully at Orb's posts & my posts. We both have our style of writing, so it should be clear we're not the same person (just like Paul & Faul aren't the same person :D).

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/comp_lsd.jpg

George Harrison's Brainwashed
George Harrison's Brainwashed - YouTube

[fireman]

LOL! Too funny :)

Fireman, you should really look carefully at Orb's posts & my posts. We both have our style of writing, so it should be clear we're not the same person (just like Paul & Faul aren't the same person :D).



He was the one accusing me of being other posters, and being a "disinfo agent", i was just making fun of that.
You think he compared my writing style?

[orbandsceptre27]

Thats easy to say, for all i know you could sit in China, Dublin, or the moon (if they had Internet there)

I am in Sweden and the other guys (that you think i am) are probably in different countries.

I still think it would fit that you and Faulcon are one and the same.

We'll never know


All I know is you`re disinfo.............. and that`s good enough for me.

I don`t put much credence on what others think, otherwise I wouldn`t be here!

[orbandsceptre27]

Hey, i live in Ireland now too!

Wanna meet me for a coffee? :p

I doubt you`ll show ................ somehow! ;)

[fireman]

I doubt you`ll show ................ somehow! ;)

you'll see!

meet me in dublin ,mainstreet 3, in one hour! ;)

[fireman]

All I know is you`re disinfo.............. and that`s good enough for me.

I don`t put much credence on what others think, otherwise I wouldn`t be here!

if you think that of me, please explain to me the concept of "you are disinfo".
that is not even a sentence, is it?
you don't really think i am some kind of illuminati reptile-agent or something?

or does disinfo mean, "just a guy who distrurbs our little peaceful conspiracy world?"

[faulconandsnowjob]

more pics of Faul without GREEN eyes...............i wish people would make their minds up as to what color eyes he is supposed to have
Faul has been seen w/ a myriad of difft color eyes. That is one of the weird anomalies that has been pointed out. There's a thread dedicated to this topic here:
http://only1rad.proboards62.com/index.cgi?board=plastic&action=display&thread=1152

Another comp

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/ed_sull_comp-1.jpg

[fireman]

but what about this:

http://img97.echo.cx/img97/3629/6467a9fk.gif

:)
;)

[fireman]

for every expression, there is a comparison pic:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v197/Member27/PID/tldcomp.jpg

http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/6357/itmscomp9yl.gif

http://img204.exs.cx/img204/3803/paulandfaulsmile.jpg

[fireman]

http://img204.exs.cx/img204/1871/aynilcomp.jpg

[orbandsceptre27]

more pics of Faul without GREEN eyes...............i wish people would make their minds up as to what color eyes he is supposed to have:D...........................earlir on in these threads people were going mental saying that faul has green eyes mmmmmmmmmmmmm:rolleyes:


Ever hear of coloured contact lenses? No I didn`t think so :)

Faul has green eyes as has been shown numerous times!

Paul McCartney had dark brown eyes (as has been shown numerous times) -

http://www.jamespaulmccartney.org/BeatlesStory651.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Great comparisons! :D Well, I hate to break it to you, but this picture has been doctored - & no, I don't mean b/c the mustache has been added:

http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/6357/itmscomp9yl.gif

I'm really wondering why PIA'ers have to rely on doctored photos so much... Anyway, do you see how the hair has been blackened in? Same thing w/ the eyebrows. Notice the nose has also been broadened. Compare to some un-doctored photos of Paul.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/3296697.jpghttp://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/mccartney_large.jpghttp://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/hdnnwhr.jpg

[orbandsceptre27]

^ That`s why I keep emphasising old video footage.

Half of those photos posted by PIAers (knowingly or unknowingly) are Faul morphed into Paul.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Half of those photos posted by PIAers (knowingly or unknowingly) are Faul morphed into Paul.
And the other half are Paul morphed into Faul! LOL! :D

No, they probably don't realize it. They don't seem to have the best eyes for detail. Rose-colored glasses, maybe? :cool:

[faulconandsnowjob]

Fireman, we're not accusing you of being a disinformation agent, but I'm pretty sure there are disinfo agents on Icke. We've had experience w/ at least one before.

Anyway, back to Paul (<333)... Un-doctored screen caps from real life interviews:

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/memphis_66_comp.jpg

[lostworld]

Fireman, we're not accusing you of being a disinformation agent, but I'm pretty sure there are disinfo agents on Icke. We've had experience w/ at least one before.


But, since we don't believe in coincidence :p, isn't it just a LITTLE bit strange how Fireman just pops up at the same time as Lightman is falling out...? :rolleyes:

There is always a new "man" ready, isn't it? :rolleyes:

[faulconandsnowjob]

But, since we don't believe in coincidence , isn't it just a LITTLE bit strange how Fireman just pops up at the same time as Lightman is falling out...?
Yes, it is a little odd. I did predict that would happen, too... Well, at least Fireman posts pictures to support his position & isn't quite as insufferable as lightman :D

[lostworld]

I am in Sweden and the other guys (that you think i am) are probably in different countries.



Hey, i live in Ireland now too!

This was also a bit strange...
First he's in Sweden and then - the next post, same day, he's in Irland? :confused:

Why write "I am in Sweden", if you're already in Irland as your profile says...?
Weird. :rolleyes:

You know, if he still was in Sweden I could've met him for that cup of coffee (except I don't drink coffee...:p ).

[humito]

perhaps lightman has been replaced with a double:rolleyes:

[orbandsceptre27]

But, since we don't believe in coincidence :p, isn't it just a LITTLE bit strange how Fireman just pops up at the same time as Lightman is falling out...? :rolleyes:

There is always a new "man" ready, isn't it? :rolleyes:

That`s exactly what I was thinking!

[humito]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t816msm5nBc&eurl=http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30205&page=131




You should start practicing what you preach here Humito -

"When you think about it, I`d never actually done it before I joined..... the Beatles it was an already............ a set up affair."

Hello............... does it need to be any clearer than this? Who`s drawing on assumptions now?? This is why few spot the differences, they assume too much instead of beginning with a clean slate.

He never mentions the Quarrymen. Paul McCartney joined the Quarrymen in July 1957. George Harrison joined in March 1958 and Ringo was the last to join the group which was to become the Beatles.

In the video here he (Bill) says The Beatles, not the Quarrymen so assume whatever you like. Some people have to deal with facts.

really............like believing iamaphoneys drivel??? he has been shown to be a liar therefore cannot be trusted.......also how come on those photographs Faul has brown eyes and Paul has green eyes.............??? when it was so adamantly the other way round a few days ago.............lol
this thresd gets more and more hilarious..........:D:D

[faulconandsnowjob]

When has Paul had green eyes? I think you're getting Paul & Faul mixed up :) Faul's green eyes:

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/SFF_green_eyes.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/Penny_comp.jpg

^ Paul & Faul w/ lovely hair helmet :-P

[humito]

I have been going through my photo album and I can say with hand on heart that in 1988 i was killed and replaced with a double..........in fact since the replacement there have been several doppelgangers by the looks of things as well.........there is also a picture of me playing an acoustic guitar left handed when i am right handed...........i really slipped up there!!! the most disturbing picture was when I gave up amphetamines........I put on two stones and shaved my beard and hair off.......one minitue i was wurzell gummage and in the next pic frank black!!.............also i have "hazel eyes"......wow what do you know ? in some pics they look really greeny in others browny or black...........the pics when i am drunk or high are the weirdest I cant tell which doppelganger i was at all.............I never had a fake moustache though by the looks of things..........but there is a pic of me at a fancy dress party dressed as a petrol pump !:D

[faulconandsnowjob]

I've noticed that the PIA'ers have never addressed the fact that some of the pics of Paul have obviously been doctored... Just an observation.

Another comp (I've got tons of them :D) -

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/paul_mccartney_faux_paul_open_mouth.jpg

[pinkfreud]

i have been going through my photo album and i can say with hand on heart that in 1988 i was killed and replaced with a double..........in fact since the replacement there have been several doppelgangers by the looks of things as well.........there is also a picture of me playing an acoustic guitar left handed when i am right handed...........i really slipped up there!!! The most disturbing picture was when i gave up amphetamines........i put on two stones and shaved my beard and hair off.......one minitue i was wurzell gummage and in the next pic frank black!!.............also i have "hazel eyes"......wow what do you know ? In some pics they look really greeny in others browny or black...........the pics when i am drunk or high are the weirdest i cant tell which doppelganger i was at all.............i never had a fake moustache though by the looks of things..........but there is a pic of me at a fancy dress party dressed as a petrol pump !:d

lmao

[humito]

I've noticed that the PIA'ers have never addressed the fact that some of the pics of Paul have obviously been doctored... Just an observation.

Another comp (I've got tons of them :D) -

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/paul_mccartney_faux_paul_open_mouth.jpg
hands up!
I have if you read back.............i dont trust any image from the interweb.............its all shite:D

[faulconandsnowjob]

Yeah, & what about the doctored photos? I would really like the PIA'ers to come up w/ an explanation for why pics of Paul have been tampered with.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/paul_faul_66.jpg

[pinkfreud]

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/paul_mccartney_faux_paul_open_mouth.jpg


i'll say this again- plastic, or corrective surgery is capable of a whole lot, even changing your features completely.

has it occurred to you that paul could've had his (ugly) teeth filed?

i'm not a disinfo agent, it's just that PIDer's tend to overlook the obvious explanations first.

but, to be fair to you, corrective surgery could be performed on another to look like paul as well. however i'd do with the first option i stated above ^^.


edit:
Yeah, & what about the doctored photos? I would really like the PIA'ers to come up w/ an explanation for why pics of Paul have been tampered with.[/quote=faulconandsnowjob;728283]

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/paul_faul_66.jpg


faulcon, that's the same person. you can't excpect every pic to look the same.

i have my own photos, taken at different times and places and the lighting and camera have produced images that are so different. but that doesn't mean i'm not the same person.

[faulconandsnowjob]

.i dont trust any image from the interweb.
That's funny, b/c you certainly seem to have a lot of faith in TPTB & the media.

[faulconandsnowjob]

i'll say this again- plastic, or corrective surgery is capable of a whole lot, even changing your features completely.
Yes, but why would Paul have plastic surgery? That doesn't make any sense. Try again :D

Paul didn't need to have his teeth filed.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/comp_1967.jpg

[humito]

That's funny, b/c you certainly seem to have a lot of faith in TPTB & the media.

no I have no faith in either.........you wouldnt believe spome of the weird shit i believe in...........the post at 1321 shows paul and fauls eyes swapping places...........eveyone views colours slightly differently too............

[lostworld]

perhaps lightman has been replaced with a double:rolleyes:

LOL! :D

Or - in his brainwashed, "white is black" mind controlled state a new alter has come forward... :rolleyes: :eek:

[faulconandsnowjob]

faulcon, that's the same person. you can't except every pic to look the same.

If you can't see that this picture has been doctored, then you have absolutely NO credibility. It is sooooo obviously been tampered w/. No wonder you can't tell the difference between Paul & Faul. You have NO eye for detail. Take your rose-colored glasses off - you might be able to see something :cool:

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/paul_faul_66.jpg

[orbandsceptre27]

really............like believing iamaphoneys drivel??? he has been shown to be a liar therefore cannot be trusted.......also how come on those photographs Faul has brown eyes and Paul has green eyes.............??? when it was so adamantly the other way round a few days ago.............lol
this thresd gets more and more hilarious..........


When you deny whats been stated on camera during an interview and proceed to make a presumption to the contrary, I think you`d have bigger things to worry about Humito.......... wouldn`t you?? :D

[pinkfreud]

Yes, but why would Paul have plastic surgery? That doesn't make any sense. Try again :D

Paul didn't need to have his teeth filed.

that isn't for you, me or anyone else to state here is it? people go ahead and do it anyway, because they feel something's lacking, or that something is 'imperfect'. if paul did have corrective/cosmetic surgery, he'd be the one to know why.

look, i'm not saying you'll are at a dead end here, i'm just saying you should probably explore the obvious first, seek to debunk it if need be. that would add more credibility to your arguments. let's not make this a PID vs. PIA issue, there are more important things in the cosmos to talk about.

[pinkfreud]

If you can't see that this picture has been doctored, then you have absolutely NO credibility. It is sooooo obviously been tampered w/. No wonder you can't tell the difference between Paul & Faul. You have NO eye for detail. Take your rose-colored glasses off - you might be able to see something :cool:

you don't need to make this personal, i'm just saying it as it is. the image quality, lighting effects and other details are different, but the person in both pics is the same; unless you've got something to support your claim that it's doctored? thanks.

[humito]

When you deny whats been stated on camera during an interview and proceed to make a presumption to the contrary, I think you`d have bigger things to worry about Humito.......... wouldn`t you?? :D

i dont deny what was said ,i would just question the interpretation of it.................you get to sixty odd years old and see if you always make sense ,to me it is obvious he was talking about joining a band that was already gigging.......and yes you are right I HAVE GOT MUCH BIGGER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT .HOW DID YOU KNOW ?

[humito]

also i am quite worried about paul and fauls magically swapping eye colours at post 1321 of this thread ( it wont let me quote the pics as my token has expired !!!!!!! cant remember putting any tokens in but there you go)...................how did paul get green eyes and faul the brown ones.??:(

[orbandsceptre27]

i dont deny what was said ,i would just question the interpretation of it.................you get to sixty odd years old and see if you always make sense ,to me it is obvious he was talking about joining a band that was already gigging.......and yes you are right I HAVE GOT MUCH BIGGER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT .HOW DID YOU KNOW ?


Well nothing`s ever worth worrying about Humito, we`re all big boys now!

- I keep saying to people just look at what`s infront of them, that`s all - it`s that simple.

Bill said when he joined the Beatles it was an already set up affair. He never mentioned the Quarrymen (because he never played with the Quarrymen). If it was Paul McCartney why didn`t he correct himself instead of the pause and stumbling on.................... what had he to hide??

Well you know what he had to hide!

[humito]

also that mind games song by lennon a few posts back was about his and yokos failing relationship.

[humito]

well if you look at what is in front of you then pauls and fauls eyes swapped colour at post 1321

[orbandsceptre27]

well if you look at what is in front of you then pauls and fauls eyes swapped colour at post 1321

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/fool_hill_comp.jpg[/QUOTE]

You mean this picture.

Picture on the left is of a dark brown eyed Paul McCartney with the sun shinning in his eyes.

Picture on the right is from the video "Fool on the Hill." This is his double (not a lookalike - he`s not at a pagent) - he`s a professional double with green eyes.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EhepTE1om6k&feature=PlayList&p=10B624F5EAB3004B&playnext=1&index=39

Watch the vid and freeze at 1.02.

- Green eyes no magic to it!

[orbandsceptre27]

Present day Bill without the contacts

- again green eyes

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/8055/56703962av5lr5.jpg[/CENTER][/QUOTE]

[orbandsceptre27]

http://www.jamespaulmccartney.org/album64/album/BeatlesStory651.jpghttp://img55.imageshack.us/img55/7861/56703962av5.jpg

Brown eyed Paul on the left.

Green eyed Bill on the right.

I take it, unlike our resident disinfo agent lightman, you can tell the difference between two different sets of eyes Humito when they`re staring you in the face lol??

[humito]

Present day Bill without the contacts

- again green eyes

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/8055/56703962av5lr5.jpg[/CENTER][/QUOTE]

well all three pics show a different eye colour .......and at last you admit that different light conditions change apparent eye colour ! so where does that leave any " evidence" gleaned from his eyes?

[orbandsceptre27]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/blueeyes3.jpg

- Green eyed Bill.

- Brown eyed Paul.

[humito]

http://www.tlcgraphic.com/paul4.html


follow this link .the guy discusses all this change ineye colour malarky and also he has a pic pre 66 that matches the fool on the hill eye colour :)

[orbandsceptre27]

From the video "Fool on the Hill" - Green eyed Bill.

http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/mmt_frames/faul_green_eye.jpg

And again - crystal clear green eyes, nothing like the original Paul McCartneys.

[humito]

http://www.jamespaulmccartney.org/album64/album/BeatlesStory651.jpghttp://img55.imageshack.us/img55/7861/56703962av5.jpg

Brown eyed Paul on the left.

Green eyed Bill on the right.

I take it, unlike our resident disinfo agent lightman, you can tell the difference between two different sets of eyes Humito when they`re staring you in the face lol??

the pic on the left shows no true colour at all...........the only thing wrong with the one on the left is pauls dodgy toupee lol:)

[orbandsceptre27]

http://www.tlcgraphic.com/paul4.html


follow this link .the guy discusses all this change ineye colour malarky and also he has a pic pre 66 that matches the fool on the hill eye colour :)

Total and utter rubbish that has been dealt with umpteen times! :rolleyes:

He has one picture of McCartney taken from beneath him with maximum light exposure/a glare and still you can see the brown eyes.

The "Fool on the Hill" snapshot on this site is not close to being as clear a shot as I`ve already provided you with (showing green eyes) -

http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/mmt_frames/faul_green_eye.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

I think humito is the new lightman - lol :D

iamaphoneys drivel??? he has been shown to be a liar therefore cannot be trusted
Um, ok, he's just taking clips of Faul slipping up. How is that a "liar"? It's not a "lie" to show a clip of somebody. You really ought to go back to that "set up affair" video & pay careful attention to what Faul is saying. He's saying the BEATLES were a set up affair. I hope we can all agree the Beatles were NOT a "set up affair."

A set up affair - YouTube

I am happy to point out why this pic has been tampered w/. The pic on the left is a screen shot I personally took from this interview:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

The picture on the right is the "official" picture from that interview/

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/paul_faul_66.jpg

This picture is actually a composite of Paul and Faul (Orb noticed that). These are the clues that it has been tampered with:
1. The hair has been blackened in. It looks very unnatural - almost like a can of black paint has been tipped over his head.
2. The eyebrows look like they've been drawn in w/ black marker.
3. The cheek line on his left cheek has been broken where the lower half of Faul's face has been stuck on. Notice the weird v-shaped scar? Yeah, that's not a scar.
4. On the right cheek, the cheek creases from the 2 faces have not been aligned. You can see an unnatural break.
5. Stubble has been added. I suspect to hide the seams. Or maybe Faul's pic just had stubble. Paul didn't.
6. If you look really closely, you can discern a difft skin tone from the 2 difft pics that have been spliced together.

Orb, I believe you noticed something else, right?

[orbandsceptre27]

http://www.jamespaulmccartney.org/album64/album/BeatlesStory651.jpghttp://img55.imageshack.us/img55/7861/56703962av5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/blueeyes3.jpg


Ah here - if you can`t tell the difference between green and brown eyes you can forget about it. Go off and watch Eastenders or something!

[orbandsceptre27]

I think humito is the new lightman - lol :D

Either that or there`s a few brain cells missing somewhere - we`re not even getting out of first gear yet!

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ OMG - they're so obviously NOT the same person! I just don't get how some people can't see that??? :confused::eek:

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/sff_comp2.jpg

[humito]

IMO the pic on his site shows a truer all round colour as his skin looks normal........on your pic there is a lot of glare and his skin looks very pale ,almost white so i would say that the light is causing his eyes to look greener........but there you go .......anyway im off to bed...........stay cool

[humito]

before i go .............i could well be the new light man ...if you go back in the thread i mentioned that tonight i proved to myself that i was killed and replaced in 1988 and have several doppellgangers so one of my imposters may well be lightman ..... iamaphoney.;)

[lostworld]

Faulcon, now wouldn't you wanna crash here...? :p
EVERY night, lol :D

Now, I really must go to sleep...

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/6572/79465833li1.jpg

LIVERPOOL, UNITED KINGDOM - FEBRUARY 01:
A portrait of Paul McCartney hangs on the wall of a suite at the newly opened Hard Days Night Hotel on February 1, 2008, Liverpool, England.
(February 1 = 2 number 1 = 11, my comment)

The new Hard Days Night Hotel is a four star boutique hotel set in the heart of Liverpool's 'Beatless Quarter' near the world famous Cavern Club where the Beatless first rose to fame. The hotel features 110 rooms, including luxury and deluxe rooms and has two stunning penthouses - the specially designed Lennon & McCartney suites - the Lennon featuring a white grand piano. Specially commissioned artwork, created by acclaimed Beatless artist Shannon, adorns the 110 guest bedrooms and public rooms. (Photo by Christopher Furlong/Getty Images)

[lostworld]

^
And how about waking up to this every morning? :p
(from the same place)

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8257/79465829qv9.jpg

[ritchs]

I can see Ministry of Truth bureaucrat Winston Smith changing all statistics about brown eyes to green.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Faulcon, now wouldn't you wanna crash here...?
Yeek :eek: - not w/ pics of Faul everywhere. He's so creepy :-P Now, PAUL on the other hand, would be quite a difft story ;-)

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/1201046530_f.jpg

[lostworld]

Yeek :eek: - not w/ pics of Faul everywhere. He's so creepy :-P Now, PAUL on the other hand, would be quite a difft story ;-)



I know, it was just so scary I had to post it...
Just teasing you... :p

[fireman]

Yes, it is a little odd. I did predict that would happen, too... Well, at least Fireman posts pictures to support his position & isn't quite as insufferable as lightman :D


coming from you, i take that as a compliment!:)

[humito]

Hazel eyes are due to a combination of a Rayleigh scattering

(Rayleigh scattering is the scattering of light, or other electromagnetic radiation, by particles much smaller than the wave...)
and a moderate amount of melanin in the iris' anterior border layer. Hazel eyes often appear to shift in color from a light brown to a medium golden-green. A number of studies using three-point scales have assigned "hazel" to be the medium-color between light blue and dark brown. This can sometimes produce a multicolored iris, i.e., an eye that is light brown near the pupil and charcoal or amber/dark green on the outer part of the iris (and vice versa) when observed in sunlight. Hazel is mostly found in some regions of Central AmericaCentral America


Europe
The Middle East
Central Asia
India ,
Pakistan, and in Afghanistan. Rarely, hazel eyes can be found in people of sub-saharan African and East Asian descent.

Definitions of the eye color "hazel" vary: it is sometimes considered to be synonymous with light-brown, gold, or other times with green or dark green. In North America, "hazel" is often used to describe eyes that appear to change color, ranging from light brown to green and even gray, depending on current lighting in the environment..................There is also evidence for pigment loss in the iris as a result of aging, and changes in iris color may also occur spontaneously in normal people after adolescence. In addition, some commonly used drugs such as latanoprost (which lowers intraocular pressure) have caused changes in pigmentation in some irises.


hope this is of some help to serious researchers,also see lightmans posts on eye colour ,he also posted an admission by paul himself in the early 60s that a lot of people mistake his eye colour for brown when they are in fact hazel.
silly girlies with a crush on young paul mc cartney cannot be reasoned with scientifically......their hormones play havoc with their intellect. :) ( sorry ,no offence intended)

[faulconandsnowjob]

I know, it was just so scary I had to post it...
It could have been worse, i suppose, like "Dr. Moreau Faul" (on right) everywhere:

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/paul_faul_66.jpg

That would give me nightmares! :eek:

Lostworld, how would you feel w/ this over the bed:

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/Faul_eyebrow.jpg

^ Yikes! :eek: He looks like how I envision Dr. Faustus would look :-P Anyway, nothing like this cutie:

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/memphis_66_paul.jpg

<333 :)

[humito]

see what i mean?

thats the way the girls are from texas.

[fireman]

HQ video


YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


ITS PAUL!


compare:

Paul McCartney 1964 - YouTube



all the differences where just because of crappy video quality!!

[humito]

hey fireman its obvious that paul is still with us........you can argue till ya blue in the face with the gals on here but they will have none of it,they are too much in love with his persona and looks when he was young and innocent..........although he wasnt so innocent, they were all on speed in pissed up in hamburg.......they had to be to keep up with their gruelling schedule and and im sure he didnt keep it in his pants much either in those days either ...........they just ignore reason .........but there we go everyone is entitled to their own view.......I suggested to faulcon once that if she was so convinced that she had "evidence" that would stand in a court of law ( and she is!) then she could sue "faul" for damages for selling material under false pretences and a false name and for being an imposter........a dna test could then be forced to see if it matches with his brother,which is the only way the theory could ever be proved or disproved..........but she wont,she would rather just talk rubbish on forums all over the net to the point of being unhealthily obsessed! it really is a waste of time as it just goes round and round in circles........I can see that paul has had cosmetic surgery over the years.......it looks like he has either had a hair transplant or wears a wig as he was definatley loosing it in the mid eighties.......he also has had minor facelift and ears pinned a bit ,but loads of people do...........also with the whole eye colour thing,his eyes behave the same way that anyone with hazel eyes do.......its a scientific fact that they appear to change colour under different conditions........also film from the 60s was rubbish compared with the quality we have today etc.........as for his personality changes,well everyone changes over the years......he appeared to be quite different when he first started on the class a drugs.......this is hardly surprising either,neither is a change in musical style/appearance etc..........im pretty sure that the whole death hoax and clues etc in the sixties was contrived by the beatles and management themselves as part of the sergant pepper concept........in the same way bowie morphed into ziggy stardust etc................as regards the firemans new release......i have not been a huge fan of a lot of his solo stuff would would say electric arguements is some of his finest work.............
I like faulcon though ,she is a feisty bird and is bloody minded and i do like thatt in a lass...........:)

although when she starts accusing people of being disinfo its quite funny..........
I will be the next one lol:)

[fireman]

hey fireman its obvious that paul is still with us........you can argue till ya blue in the face with the gals on here but they will have none of it,they are too much in love with his persona and looks when he was young and innocent..........although he wasnt so innocent, they were all on speed in pissed up in hamburg.......they had to be to keep up with their gruelling schedule and and im sure he didnt keep it in his pants much either in those days either ...........they just ignore reason .........but there we go everyone is entitled to their own view.......I suggested to faulcon once that if she was so convinced that she had "evidence" that would stand in a court of law ( and she is!) then she could sue "faul" for damages for selling material under false pretences and a false name and for being an imposter........a dna test could then be forced to see if it matches with his brother,which is the only way the theory could ever be proved or disproved..........but she wont,she would rather just talk rubbish on forums all over the net to the point of being unhealthily obsessed! it really is a waste of time as it just goes round and round in circles........I can see that paul has had cosmetic surgery over the years.......it looks like he has either had a hair transplant or wears a wig as he was definatley loosing it in the mid eighties.......he also has had minor facelift and ears pinned a bit ,but loads of people do...........also with the whole eye colour thing,his eyes behave the same way that anyone with hazel eyes do.......its a scientific fact that they appear to change colour under different conditions........also film from the 60s was rubbish compared with the quality we have today etc.........as for his personality changes,well everyone changes over the years......he appeared to be quite different when he first started on the class a drugs.......this is hardly surprising either,neither is a change in musical style/appearance etc..........im pretty sure that the whole death hoax and clues etc in the sixties was contrived by the beatles and management themselves as part of the sergant pepper concept........in the same way bowie morphed into ziggy stardust etc................as regards the firemans new release......i have not been a huge fan of a lot of his solo stuff would would say electric arguements is some of his finest work.............
I like faulcon though ,she is a feisty bird and is bloody minded and i do like thatt in a lass...........:)

although when she starts accusing people of being disinfo its quite funny..........
I will be the next one lol:)



of course, i totally agree with you! sometimes i just can't stand that rubbish. But it is actually a real waste of time posting here.
see ya at the disinfo-headquarters! ;)

[shodan]

Ok I've merged these two Paul M threads so everything gets posted in the same thread, all the original posts should be intact.

[fireman]

Ok I've merged these two Paul M threads so everything gets posted in the same thread, all the original posts should be intact.

cool! :)


let's celebrate:

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/2-1.gif

JPM never died

[humito]

:D:D:D:D hes been going in and out of style but hes guaranteed to raise a smile:D:D.................see you in disinfoworld;)

[faulconandsnowjob]

JPM RIP! <333

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/comp_1968.jpg

Billy Pepper (Shepherd)
paul is dead - the rotten apple 41 O - YouTube

He seems to be right-handed (unlike PAUL):

Billy Shears is Right-Handed - YouTube

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/right_handed_faul.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

So, now that it is beyond any reasonable doubt that Paul was replaced, I would like to get back to the Charles Manson connection that iamaphoney keeps making. What is up w/ that? Well, this goes to my theory that Manson might have been a CIA stooge or tool.

SON OF UNCLE SAM

My transcript of a talk given by Dave Emory entitled "The
Ultimate Evil: Mind Control, Satanism, & the U.S. National
Security Establishment". Emory shares the microphone with an
unidentified co-host, designated here as CO-HOST.

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

[...continued...]

CN -- Dave Emory continues his coverage of the suspicious murders
directly traceable to the Son of Sam case. Rather than give a
word-for-word transcription, here is a partial summary of points
I found salient:

*** A mailman named Andrew Dupres(sp?) [doo-PAY] who delivered to
Berkowitz' and Carr's addresses on a daily basis reported having
seen something which troubled him greatly. He also is quoted as
saying that "they" were threatening him and that "they" were
going to "get" his family. He wound up, apparently, committing
suicide.

*** The previously mentioned Carr family, two of whose members
died violent deaths and who seem to have been connected to the
Son of Sam killings (i.e. John Carr and Michael Carr), also had
two members on the Yonkers police force. Quoting from Emory's
reading of *The Ultimate Evil*: "I'd have contacted the Yonkers
police force with the information I have, but I think you know as
well as I it would've been another mistake considering the force
employs two members of the Carr family: sister Wheat, and
brother-in-law John McCabe."

*** May 8, 1982 -- 4th anniversary of Berkowitz' guilty pleas.
Leon Stern, Berkowitz' chief counsel at the time of these guilty
pleas, was shot dead when he apparently surprised two burglars
who had broken into his home.

*** Some indications that The Process may have been a front for
intelligence operations. Dave Emory reads from Maury Terry's
book (in quotes), then adds his own comments:

"Sanders said that the FBI, Israeli Intelligence, the
California Beverage Control Board, the Los Angeles D.A.'s
office as well as the L.A.P.D. and Los Angeles Sheriff's
Department, all mounted probes of the [Sharon] Tate murders,
with the Treasury Department involved peripherally. And those
were only the ones *he* knew about."

Well now, what conceivable interest would Israeli
Intelligence have in looking into the Manson killings, if,
*if* we are to take those killings at face value. And I'm not
at all sure that we can.

*** The existence of an elite hit squad amongst Satanists, known as "The Black Cross". Dave Emory reads from Maury Terry's book
(in quotes):

"At the same time, police in the Los Angeles area and two
former L.A. Satanists sent word that an east coast cult
branch, allied with the Chingons, the Black Cross, was
operating as an elite hit squad for various U.S. satanic
groups involved in drug and pornography enterprises... And as
for the Black Cross itself, it appeared to be closely linked
to the 'Sam' cult in New York, and existed for one purpose:
murder. Its function, the California contact said, was the
elimination of defecting cult members or other enemies,
including innocent people who inadvertently learned about a
given group's illegal activities. [CN -- For example, the
above-mentioned mailman, Andrew Dupres, who after
inadvertently discovering some secrets, apparently was forced
to commit suicide when 'they' began threatening his family.]
Murder, anywhere in the country, was now but a phone call
away..."

*** Dave Emory reads from Maury Terry's book (in quotes):

"Now one of the interesting things concerning the Son of Sam
investigation as well as the Manson family investigation was
that it became very apparent that both Charles Manson and
David Berkowitz, convicted in the Son of Sam case, were
basically 'railroaded' by the law enforcement officials. They
basically 'took the fall' for what was obviously a very very
large conspiracy. Although involved, they were not the main
people. They were tools. And yet the people in the positions
to put them away simply did not investigate the conspiracy."

*** Dave Emory comments, then reads from Maury Terry's book (in
quotes):

...Queens D.A. John Santucci was convinced that David
Berkowitz did not act alone and he wanted to pursue a
conspiracy. However, the conspiratorial aspects were
basically "deep sixed" by Mario Merola.

"While at Police Plaza, Santucci sat in on some of the
questioning of Berkowitz and formed the opinion that
Berkowitz was lucid and not 'demon possessed' as he then
claimed, and that the .44 case might well go deeper than it
was presented to be. His own evaluation of the evidence left
him with nagging doubts concerning Berkowitz' alleged sole
responsibility."

"Santucci then pressed for a Berkowitz trial, but was
persuaded by Eugene Gold in Brooklyn and the Bronx's Mario
Merola to allow Berkowitz to plead 'guilty' without any
dissidence. Santucci's reluctance to yield to the pressure
reached the media and he was criticized by 'its sources' for
his stance."


*** Emory and Terry both think that Mario Merola deliberately
ignored evidence of a conspiracy behind the Son of Sam killings.
Regarding Merola, Emory makes the following observations:

1) During World War II, Merola was in the O.S.S., the forerunner
of the CIA:

Well one of the interesting things about his background in
the OSS -- the late director of the CIA, William Casey, was
in charge of all secret intelligence in Europe for the OSS.
Now a number of people who were in the OSS went on to careers
with CIA. And I think it's a safe assumption that not *all*
of those are a matter of public record. The CIA has long
sought to have people in various positions that could be of
use to them. District Attorneys are one of the positions that
they like to be able to control. Also, coroners, is another
one that they like to be able to control. It *may* be, I say
it may be, that in fact Mario Merola never really left the
intelligence community at all and continued to work for CIA.
An even more likely possibility, I think, is that he reacted
the way many people who are veterans of the OSS reacted --
although not actually in the service, they continued to do
favors for the intelligence community [i.e. an "old boy
network"].

2)

Mario Merola was the prosecutor in the Raymond Donovan case.
Donovan got off, scot free. And in politically charged and/or
intelligence related cases, one of the ways of throwing a
case is often to have a deliberately weak prosecution. [CN --
see, for example, the Chuck Harder/Linda Thompson interview,
in which Thompson charges that that is *exactly* what
happened, i.e. that the prosecution was deliberately weak for
*some* of the defendants in the Waco trial.] Now in the David
Berkowitz situation, Merola definitely messed the bed very
badly by accepting, basically, an *incredible* "lone nut"
confession and ignoring the obvious indications of a much
broader conspiracy.

DAVE EMORY [Continues]:
Had the Son of Sam case really unravelled the way it might
have... an entire aspect of American history and political
science would have been revealed that is not only unknown to most people, but frankly, would seem incredible to an awful lot of people under the circumstances.

[B]One of the points that we've tried to make, throughout the course of our discussion of *The Ultimate Evil*, is that, again, the
*Satanism* is one of the things that throws people off. The
intelligence agencies have *long* used occult groups as a front
for activity. For one thing, occult groups exist at the periphery
of public scrutiny and therefore are ideal to use as intelligence
fronts. In addition to that, because of the unusual activities of
occult groups, any suspicious activity on the part of an
intelligence agent *using* these groups could be laid simply to
the bizarre nature of the group itself. [CN -- also, first
amendment protections for "religious" freedom would help shield
them from investigation.]

Now specifically, vis a vis mind control, many, many of the cults
on the scene today are, in fact, mind-control fronts for the U.S.
Intelligence and Military communities.

http://www.theconspiracy.us/9410/0023.html

[faulconandsnowjob]

"Programmed to Kill" by David McGowan supposedly has info about serial killers and their relationship with the military & intelligence communities, satanic groups, etc. Dave McGowan is the author of the Laurel Canyon series of articles at http://davesweb.cnchost.com/.

Book info at Amazon.com: Programmed to Kill: The Politics of Serial Murder (9780595326402): David McGowan: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51kmXlyrKvL.@@AMEPARAM@@51kmXlyrKvL

[orbandsceptre27]

JPM RIP! <333

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/right_handed_faul.jpg


Great spot Faulcon, eyes like a hawk! :cool:

[truthseeker49]

I agree. Girl, you really do have eyes like a hawk! :eek: :D

[faulconandsnowjob]

I'm thinking that pic of Faul playing right handed was purposefully "leaked." Faul & the Beatles have given so many clues, most of which have not even been touched on in these PID threads. Yeah, I guess it's true the Illuminati really do tell the sheeple the truth - it's just up to them to recognize it. No, they're never going to tell you Paul is dead/was replaced, but they have nevertheless revealed it. Well, shoot, all you have to do is look at some pics of Paul & Faul to realize it's not the same guy. It's not rocket science :-P

Anyway, what really bothers me a lot is the photo-tampering. Doesn't it send up a big red flag for PIA'ers that so many "official" pics of Paul have been doctored?

Oh, wow, I just realized Aleister Crowley was a "notorious occultist and British intelligence asset."
(http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr100.html) I had not realized he was intell before! Has iaap been trying to get us to make that connection to intelligence w/ Paul's death?

[coco]

Good morning!

While the majority of right handed people tend to be exclusively right handed, like myself, left handed people tend to use their rights hands more often and are not 100% exclusively left handed, like my mother and others I have known throughout my life.

Just throwing it out there. :)

[orbandsceptre27]

Good morning!

While the majority of right handed people tend to be exclusively right handed, like myself, left handed people tend to use their rights hands more often and are not 100% exclusively left handed, like my mother and others I have known throughout my life.

Just throwing it out there. :)

Hi Coco, my mother is ambidextrous if that`s what you mean but my father is completely left handed. He plays the guitar as Paul played bass. He never considered playing right handed. I`m right handed and have played guitar since I was twelve.

Even if an individual is ambidextrous, one will always find it easier to play off one side than the other.

[astrochicken]

Good morning!

While the majority of right handed people tend to be exclusively right handed, like myself, left handed people tend to use their rights hands more often and are not 100% exclusively left handed, like my mother and others I have known throughout my life.

Just throwing it out there. :)

Hiya coco... are you a musician?


There is a world of difference between say:

1. writing with you right & blowing your nose with your left
2. stirring your coffee with you left and wiping your ar*e with your right.

I play golf and various stringed instruments righthanded... with golf i can also hit the ball left-handed.. but a musical instrument requires a lot more proficiency and subtlety than swinging a club.

You either play stringed instruments left-handed or you play them right-handed but you don't switch between the two depending on whether you're being observed or not.

[coco]

Hiya coco... are you a musician?


There is a world of difference between say:

1. writing with you right & blowing your nose with your left
2. stirring your coffee with you left and wiping your ar*e with your right.

I play golf and various stringed instruments righthanded... with golf i can also hit the ball left-handed.. but a musical instrument requires a lot more proficiency and subtlety than swinging a club.

You either play stringed instruments left-handed or you play them right-handed but you switch between the two depending on whether you're being observed or not.

No, I am not a musician, but I see your point about doing certain things with a certain hand as the certain side of the brain processes certain functions in a certain manner thus commanding the use of the appropriate hand.

[astrochicken]

No, I am not a musician, but I see your point about doing certain things with a certain hand as the certain side of the brain processes certain functions in a certain manner thus commanding the use of the appropriate hand.

Hiya.

I've been playing guitar and other stringed instruments since i was about 10.
I couldn't play them the *wrong* way around even if i tried.

Before i get jumped (and this'll rile the bassists amongst you ;) ), I should add that even i could play something as simple as a couple of simple single bass notes per measure on a bass but as regards guitar chords, be it strumming or fingerpicking.. forget it. You stick to what's most comfortable and what you're best at and paul, i believe, was the original left-handed lead guitar player during stuart sutcliffe's tenure as bassist in the early days.

Then again.. if i'd been forced to play guitar left-handed for the last 40 years in order gain a knighthood and amass millions then i probably would have tried (for the millions!)


Seen chronologically the switch coincided with the time when when the beatles stopped touring, they all started on facial hair, Faul's emphasis shifted to piano and his voice went AWOL.


But green/hazel eyes, long face, ear lobes, hair partings, height, jaw and voice aside.. the thing that nails it for me is that Faul McCartney
is so obviously devoid of any musical talent whereas Paul was an absolute genius.

It's sad all the music we never got to hear.. instead we get hope of deliverance, and the everpresent past... dirges of the highest degree..

[faulconandsnowjob]

While the majority of right handed people tend to be exclusively right handed, like myself, left handed people tend to use their rights hands more often and are not 100% exclusively left handed, like my mother and others I have known throughout my life.

Hi, Coco, ditto to everything Orb & Astrochicken said. I'd just like to add that Paul said he was practically useless w/ his right hand. Plus, it's not a simple thing to just switch the guitar or bass over. I think Jimi Hendrix did that, but then he still restrung it, right? Or am I thinking of someone else? Anyway, my mother is ambidextrous, but when she draws or paints, she uses her right hand, mainly. She will use her left hand on rare occasions for very specific things.

But green/hazel eyes, long face, ear lobes, hair partings, height, jaw and voice aside.. the thing that nails it for me is that Faul McCartney
is so obviously devoid of any musical talent whereas Paul was an absolute genius.

It's sad all the music we never got to hear.. instead we get hope of deliverance, and the everpresent past... dirges of the highest degree..
Yeah, ditto on that, too. I hate how Faul has sullied Paul's legacy. Still, Paul's work was strong enough that he is still respectable, even w/ some of those, um, "weaker" songs attributed to him. Anyway, I really think that the Beatles' songs Faul sang were actually written by Paul (except maybe "Obladi Oblada.") Some people are of the opinion that Paul actually sang the following:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

And the unnamed song at the end of "Cry Baby Cry."
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Thoughts?

[astrochicken]

Some people are of the opinion that Paul actually sang the following:

The Beatles - Getting Better
The Beatles - She's Leaving Home
The Beatles - Your Mother Should Know
Her Majesty - The Beatles
And the unnamed song at the end of "Cry Baby Cry."



To me those songs were just Faul filler material, written by faul and sung by faul.. except of course "Cry Baby Cry" which is so obviously either a lennon or lennon/*real*McCartney effort.

Faulcon..
you're a "What? You can't see the difference?" person..
i'm more a "What? you can't hear the difference?" person

:)

Anyways, none of the above sound anything like the "real" Paul singing this:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Paul was so prolific in his songwriting that there must have been at least a dozen songs allready written which faul only had to sing (and murder)

Personally i think the songs listed below were written by Paul before he was replaced and recorded after the switch by FAUL (post-peppers) based solely on the discrepancy in talent (before&after). (I've left out all the obvious lennon-, and harrison-compositions from that list.)

The following are definetly paul(+/- lennon) compositions.

Album Sgt.Peppers LHCB
-Sgt Peppers LHCB
-With a little help from my friends
-Lucy in the sky with diamonds
-When i'm 64 (despire being in the style that faul likes- the middle-eight ("you'll be older too......") is just lightyears away from anything he could hope to write)

Magical Mystery Tour
-Penny Lane

Abbey Road
-Oh Darling

Let it Be
-Get Back





It's funny but ever since first hearing the beatles i've allways loved the early stuff and never went for any of the post-peppers solely because of the whole vaudeville piss-take dancehall comedy routine tangent they went off on. I mean they both wrote some seriously funny lyrics with a lot of sexual undertones and double-entendres but post-peppers they just went off on
a circus-roncali showbad kind of yukk.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Faulcon..
you're a "What? You can't see the difference?" person..
i'm more a "What? you can't hear the difference?" person
LOL! Well, I'm a girl & you're a musician :D

Paul was so prolific in his songwriting that there must have been at least a dozen songs allready written which faul only had to sing (and murder)
That's what I think, too. I think they may have used some of Paul's vocals...

Personally i think the songs listed below were written by Paul before he was replaced and recorded after the switch by FAUL (post-peppers) based solely on the discrepancy in talent (before&after).
I totally agree that Lucy was a Paul song. I know, it's attributed to John, & I'm certain he came up w/ the lyrics. This is my impression from their collaboration - that Paul was the "music" guy & John was the wordsmith.

It's funny but ever since first hearing the beatles i've allways loved the early stuff and never went for any of the post-peppers solely because of the whole vaudeville piss-take dancehall comedy routine tangent they went off on.
LOL! Same here. My fave album has traditionally been Rubber Soul, but I love Help, Revolver, AHDN, everything pre-Sgt. Pepper. I guess I didn't really go for the new Paul at a subconscious level :D

So, Astrochicken, since you're a musician, could you elaborate more on what you think the differences are between Paul & Faul's work? I, personally, think Paul has a nicer singing voice. What do you think about the differences in bass-playing? Sorry, not expecting a treatise, but just curious :)

[astrochicken]

LOL! Well, I'm a girl & you're a musician :D


So, Astrochicken, since you're a musician, could you elaborate more on what you think the differences are between Paul & Faul's work? I, personally, think Paul has a nicer singing voice. What do you think about the differences in bass-playing? Sorry, not expecting a treatise, but just curious :)


Well first i'll state the obvious for all the PIA crowd:

Faul is devoid of musical talent.

I'm sure you've all been to party's where there's a guy in the corner with his own disco lights consisting of 3 coloured bulbs, a synthesizer and a drum machine getting paid to do the music for the evening. He'll play anything you want to hear and he'll play it WELL. There's just no soul to it, he's just going through the motions.

That's the main difference i hear straight away whether someone actually feels what he's singing or whether they're detached. It's like a madonna-syndrome you know she's just singing shite.

Paul and the early beatles for the most part sang in the 1st person, later on they'd write situational comedy stories in the 3rd person.

The early beatles had some f#&king amazing chord changes and progressions.. post-paul i found them really boring.. just missing the pizaaz, spetoink, kaboom or whatever.. just kinda dragging along on 3 chords like tom petty.. (whom i like). They played happy music and then the happy music stopped and instead they threw in comedy lyrics and went vaudeville.

Paul's voice .. bloody amazing.. it's got a vibrato to it that gets under your skin and intuitively the songs are in the perfect key for the tone.. hardly surpising as he did write them.. Faul just sings through his nose with that fake liverpudlian accent

As regards the bass.. it's there. :) Asides from john entwhistle's playing i never paid particular attention to the instrument.. *it* and the bassdrum are a neccesity.

anyways.. i'm off to bed

[howie]

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/right_handed_faul.jpg

Wow! I've seen the home movies video before & I never noticed that :eek:

It looks so natural as if he doesn't know he's been filmed.

I watched it again & found another scene later in the clip when he's playing left-handed on a guitar with a right handers scratch plate. (as he does in the 68 India video & Let It Be)

Holding cigarettes or coffee in the wrong hand is totally different to a guitar, the debunkers are getting desperate now.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Paul's voice .. bloody amazing.. it's got a vibrato to it that gets under your skin ...

That is what I thought, too! My theory that Paul had more vibrato was not really given much consideration, tho, & I'm not enough of a musician to really fight for that position, but I could hear it! :) I don't think it's something you can turn on & off, can you? But, yes, I think Paul had a very beautiful voice, while Faul's sounds "thinner" to me.

I watched it again & found another scene later in the clip when he's playing left-handed on a guitar with a right handers scratch plate. (as he does in the 68 India video & Let It Be)
Wow - that's a keen eye!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67J_66hdN-I&feature=PlayList&p=CD6BE93A8FD9C7A6&index=0&playnext=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67J_66hdN-I&feature=PlayList&p=CD6BE93A8FD9C7A6&index=0&playnext=1

Here's Faul in India playing right-handed. Some people think it may have been flipped, but I don't know. I just know it's not Paul!

Paul McCartney Right Handed - YouTube
Paul McCartney Right Handed - YouTube

I believe there's also a part where his fake ear is coming off - lol :-P This is from a difft video, but still funny :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/Faullamb2.jpg

Holding cigarettes or coffee in the wrong hand is totally different to a guitar, the debunkers are getting desperate now.
LOL! Yeah, they've been desperate. The clearest sign that someone is desperate is when they have to resort to insults to support their position :D

Oh, & I thought Paul had some really cool bass-lines, too :)

[orbandsceptre27]

Hiya.
I've been playing guitar and other stringed instruments since i was about 10.
I couldn't play them the *wrong* way around even if i tried.

Before i get jumped (and this'll rile the bassists amongst you ;) ), I should add that even i could play something as simple as a couple of simple single bass notes per measure on a bass but as regards guitar chords, be it strumming or fingerpicking.. forget it. You stick to what's most comfortable and what you're best at and paul, i believe, was the original left-handed lead guitar player during stuart sutcliffe's tenure as bassist in the early days.

I agree Astrochicken - changing over is not something people do for the hell of it. And the bass is much easier - i.e For a right-handed player like Billy to come in and switch over, this would be the easiest way. If he was trying to switch hands to become lead guitar then forget it.


But green/hazel eyes, long face, ear lobes, hair partings, height, jaw and voice aside.. the thing that nails it for me is that Faul McCartney is so obviously devoid of any musical talent whereas Paul was an absolute genius.

It's sad all the music we never got to hear.. instead we get hope of deliverance, and the everpresent past... dirges of the highest degree..

Yeah most of Bills stuff is complete tosh - The vast majority lacks any sort of depth/sincerity. Because Bill was acting/playing a role, "Paul McCartney" he could never be himself and so most of what he wrote never came from the heart where all great writing begins.

[orbandsceptre27]

That is what I thought, too! My theory that Paul had more vibrato was not really given much consideration, tho, & I'm not enough of a musician to really fight for that position, but I could hear it! :) I don't think it's something you can turn on & off, can you? But, yes, I think Paul had a very beautiful voice, while Faul's sounds "thinner" to me.


I think Bill has a slightly greater range than Paul had. Paul had to stretch to reach notes which came easier his replacement. I said it before about Liam and Noel Gallagher - Noel had the higher pitch but Liam had the drive behind his vocals.


I believe there's also a part where his fake ear is coming off - lol :P This is from a difft video, but still funny :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/Faullamb2.jpg

Yeah that ear looks like it`s about to fall off imo!

[astrochicken]

I think Bill has a slightly greater range than Paul had. Paul had to stretch to reach notes which came easier his replacement.


That's where i hear it most obviously..through training you can broaden your range but when the vocal chords strain to reach a note that imho is inimitable.

Be it paul McCartney, roger daltrey (the who), robert plant (led zeppelin) the guy with the mouth (aerosmith), Joe Cocker.. the way the vocal chords resonate when you're straining your voice to the limits is unique to each and every person.

That's why all "the night before" is a perfect example to the limitations and beauty of paul's singing voice.

[orbandsceptre27]

That's where i hear it most obviously..through training you can broaden your range but when the vocal chords strain to reach a note that imho is inimitable.

Be it paul McCartney, roger daltrey (the who), robert plant (led zeppelin) the guy with the mouth (aerosmith), Joe Cocker.. the way the vocal chords resonate when you're straining your voice to the limits is unique to each and every person.

That's why all "the night before" is a perfect example to the limitations and beauty of paul's singing voice.


Yes bang on the money Astrochicken :). When I realised McCartney had been replaced and then viewed "The Night Before," it was obvious Paul had a classic RnB / Rock n`Roll voice which Bill can`t replicate.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=NTb3uifuKDc

"The Night Before" is a great clear piece of colour footage of Paul, and if you view from around 10 seconds in until 27 seconds, you`ll notice Pauls jawline is very different from Bills. Paul had a more square/manly jaw - Bill tries to imitate this as best he can by drooping his bottom jaw when he speaks (esp when he pauses), but he just ends up coming across as plain dozy/dopey. It doesn`t really matter now as Bill has become Paul for most.

Another good example of the vibrato you and Faulcon were talking about is in the live Shea stadium vid "I`m Down." Bills voice isn`t suited to this song at all.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=GMrKKDNgt5g

[faulconandsnowjob]

"The Night Before" is one of my fave Beatles songs. I used to go to a Beatles cover band a lot & get them to play it. That & "Another Girl" were "my songs." :-)

Also, watching "I'm Down," it looks like they're having a blast. Paul seemed like he was really cool & funny. Faul's personality, on the other hand, ... Well, let's just say I don' think Paul would have been voted "most irritating star of all time" like SIR Paul was. :-P

Paul's face was very round & very sweet. Faul's face was more rectangular w/ a larger forehead.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/memphis_66_comp.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

So, this is a pic of from 1967, but it has some "issues." Check out the mustache. See how it's smeared & blurred around the edges? Also, does anyone's facial hair grow straight down like that? The ears also look like they've been blurred out.

http://www.jojoplace.org/Shoebox/Valis/bb44-1.jpg

I think the eyebrows were thinned, too. Paul's eyebrows were thicker:

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/Paul2.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

Check out the difference in the lengths of the noses!

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/1966_comp.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

I got a very nice message from a guy in the Quebec-area who has been following this thread. I've tried to get him to post, but alas, to no avail. Anyway, he really liked Orb's & Astrochicken's comments on "The Night Before." This was what he said:

If you remember I like very much this song especially for the reason that you see the difference between two distinctive person the real Paul who sing the song 'The Night before' and the impostor after/around the end of 1966. ... I think is the main reason that convince me that the real Paul is not there anymore just a impostor who look like Paul but doesn't have the charisma.

Well, I could not agree more! :)

[hugolast]

http://i41.tinypic.com/102qy6q.jpg
fold your arms, notice which arm is on the top? do it the other way round.....this guy is right handed, some times it's the little things that give you away.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2zi3txw.jpg
see right handed smoker too after 1966.

http://i44.tinypic.com/28h0b54.jpg
left handed before the end of '66! interesting go check it out elsewhere i'm sure as i can be this is the case.

just an observation i noticed after reading this stuff, you agree/disagree?

[orbandsceptre27]

^ Hi Hugolast and well spotted :). Paul was most definately left handed while his subsequent replacement (Bill) was right handed, as you`ve just shown and Faulcon showed earlier.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h212/yhshvh10/strawcandles.jpg

^ Right handed Billy.

[hugolast]

http://i40.tinypic.com/i74igp.jpg
i mean what a difference ten days makes............

[orbandsceptre27]

http://i40.tinypic.com/i74igp.jpg
i mean what a difference ten days makes............

Now that`s a comparison and a half! :cool:

Do you know who the double is here Hugo? It sure isn`t Bill (and it`s definately not Paul) lol.

[hugolast]

ooh i dont know? thought it might be bill but hmmm....they have done a good job of slowly changing what people think he looks like. My dad liked the beatles and when i showed him a comparison he agreed they were different people, then when i said they were both 'paul mccartney' he said the original wasn't paul mccartney so i showed him some more early pics of the beatles, he then kind of stopped the conversation and accused me of being a bit wierd "why you on that computer all the time anyway.........?" teehee. My mum just said they are both paul mccartney - end of story haha.

go to 1min25 - 1 min29 on this and tell me it's not wierd.........
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EQCi6ASHVUM

you know i only looked paul mccartney up because i thought he was acting wierd and no one has any real respect for him these days. i only heard of this pid thing a week ago but find it both funyy and disturbing

anyways i asked my girlfriends 12 year old sister if they were the same man and she just laughed and went "no you stupid idiot" and carried on playing with her ipod like i was the fool for saying they were the same - the exact opposite of how we are told things are.....unbiased mind you see....

[fireman]

now look at those different noses! He must be replaced!!
I call the imposter Bob, and the other one Henry, or "Maul" as John Lennon used to call him! :D ;)

This is what tricks people into believing PID:


its perspective distortion


http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/PID%20stuff/new3.gif


http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/PID%20stuff/new6.gif



all 4 pictures are of pre 1967 James Paul Mccartney
:cool:

[orbandsceptre27]

^ Flashing pics again - a sure sign of disinfo desperation! :D

[orbandsceptre27]

ooh i dont know? thought it might be bill but hmmm....they have done a good job of slowly changing what people think he looks like. My dad liked the beatles and when i showed him a comparison he agreed they were different people................

.................i asked my girlfriends 12 year old sister if they were the same man and she just laughed and went "no you stupid idiot" and carried on playing with her ipod like i was the fool for saying they were the same - the exact opposite of how we are told things are.....unbiased mind you see....

Very interesting Hugolast, especially regarding the response of your girlfriends younger sister. As you said the unbiased mind of a kid is something to behold.

Unfortunately most people coming to this subject have been heavily conditioned to see McCartney as Bill. It`s been said before how Bill has become Paul over the years, so generally people are blind to what Paul was really like (mannerisms, voice tone/pitch and even physically).

From my own experience I`ve found it`s mainly people who have a good ear for music (those who are musicians themselves) who spot the differences quite easily. Some people are quicker than others. I was researching this area for about six months before I became convinced he was permanently replaced. I`m pretty slow to believe anything - now I have absolutely no doubt! I actually feel embarrassed it took me that long lol.

[hugolast]

umm i dont know im kind of new to the topic to be fair, do you mean the angle of the camera. both sides of the arguement use these photo things but like you say angles make such a difference both for and against....:confused:

i got more interested because i noticed most of the pictures show a sway towards him being right handed after that point. I'm not saying all the as i change hands for convenience so there will certainly be pictures of both smoking with opposite hands out there for sure but i mean most of them show that. This sounds like a weak arguement now i know but i havent found one pic before 67 of him smoking right handed - show me that and i'll be happy, i've seen one of him after with it in his left but it was a posed organised picture. Over to you guys - paul doing right handed things pre 67 compared to after seems a good start for me as after twenty odd years he wouldn't just change his habits. i prefer to rely on that as we are all creatures of habit

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p283/bridgette922/paul.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d39/princegrl84/paul.jpg

all this has made me want a cigarette now, i always cave after two weeks. Sorry if this sounds niave btw i'm just reading all this as a hobby really - beats doing my bloody accounts. laters

[faulconandsnowjob]

hugolast, hello & welcome to the thread! :)

you know i only looked paul mccartney up because ... no one has any real respect for him these days.
See, this breaks my heart, b/c Paul was cool & very talented! Faul is/was kind of dorky & annoying. Not to mention not as talented. I'm sorry if that's harsh. I'm sure he has many fine qualities, but I'm tired of him pretending to be Paul! :-P I think maybe people pick up on his being a fake at a subconscious level & reject him. But then again, they might be projecting Paul onto him & cutting him a lot of slack...

i only heard of this pid thing a week ago but find it both funyy and disturbing
I am pretty new to PID, too. I found out at the beg. of August. (I'm embarrassed it took me so long, but I realized subconsciously something wasn't right). This whole thing has broken my heart, b/c I love Paul <333

anyways i asked my girlfriends 12 year old sister if they were the same man and she just laughed and went "no you stupid idiot" and carried on playing with her ipod like i was the fool for saying they were the same - the exact opposite of how we are told things are.....unbiased mind you see....
LOL! That is awesome! :-) I've heard that foreigners who aren't really that familiar w/ the Beatles have the same reaction. It's kind of scary how people can be brain-washed into seeing them as being the same. I know, it really bothered me that the wool had been pulled over my eyes - yikes :-o Well, at least the truth is coming out now. More & more people are seeing it :)

[astrochicken]

I am pretty new to PID, too. I found out at the beg. of August. (I'm embarrassed it took me so long, but I realized subconsciously something wasn't right). This whole thing has broken my heart, b/c I love Paul <333



Ever since first listening to the beatles consciously, maybe about a prior to lennon being shot (i was 9 at the time) I've allways just liked the early stuff..
post-peppers they churned out shite, bar a few gems, for the most part.

I heard of the PID theory about 15 years ago but allways thought it was just a bunch of headcases talking about clues on album covers, and records played backwards.

Upon joining the forum here, and noting how many "paul is dead" threads were, i thought this place was humming with headcases. Eventually i took a wee peek at the threads and after seeing all the photographic comparisons and the mannerisms in the videos then it all clicked with my initial impression of the change in direction the beatles took. It all pointed to late '66 (although the good songs on sgt.peppers are still (co-)written and sung by/with paul.. the same time they stopped touring and the album's starting have a lot of *filler* material and piano dirges.

Now there is NOT a doubt in my mind that Paul was replaced due to a tragic accident or intenionally replaced (which i think is more likely as we now have a SIR FAUL).

The history of hollywood and the music industry is turning out to be one big satanic occult brainwashing routine. Selling your soul to the devil - "Angel Heart" for real.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS5Mw0qDTSY

@3:55

His success, however, has lasted a long time. Dylan is still performing all of his songs on tour, and he says he doesn't take any of it for granted.

So why is he still out there?

"It goes back to that destiny thing. I mean, I made a bargain with it, you know, long time ago. And I'm holding up my end … to get where I am now," says Dylan.

And with whom did he make the bargain? "With the chief commander," says Dylan, laughing. "In this earth and in the world we can't see."

[supertzar]

Very interesting Hugolast, especially regarding the response of your girlfriends younger sister. As you said the unbiased mind of a kid is something to behold.

Unfortunately most people coming to this subject have been heavily conditioned to see McCartney as Bill. It`s been said before how Bill has become Paul over the years, so generally people are blind to what Paul was really like (mannerisms, voice tone/pitch and even physically).

From my own experience I`ve found it`s mainly people who have a good ear for music (those who are musicians themselves) who spot the differences quite easily. Some people are quicker than others. I was researching this area for about six months before I became convinced he was permanently replaced. I`m pretty slow to believe anything - now I have absolutely no doubt! I actually feel embarrassed it took me that long lol.

I find your avatar strangely disturbing. This seemingly pure baby child giving the sign to shush, to be quiet, to not think, to keep the secret. It has a suppressive vibe to me. Very sweet, but all the more insidious because of it. Disarming and creepy.

I am a musician by the way and I would be shocked if there are more than a handful of musicians who believe Paul McCartney was replaced based on his recordings. There were two recordings given as evidence in one of these threads and one of you was going on about how much higher Paul's voice was back then or some such thing. It was clear to my educated ears that the difference in tone was not because of his voice being much different, but because of the recording equipment and studio and techniques being different. Everyone knows that due to advances in recording technology and just the style of the time that 70's records generally have a different sound than 60's records.

[faulconandsnowjob]

I heard of the PID theory about 15 years ago but allways thought it was just a bunch of headcases talking about clues on album covers, and records played backwards.
Actually, I heard about PID back in high school when I was reading about the Beatles. The books presented it as a "rumor," of course, but also one said that John called Faul "Faux Paul." Well, I thought that was weird, but whatever.

Anyway, the "clues" are always stressed in books & articles about PID, not the hard evidence of pics & videos, etc. The clues are open to interpretation & easy to dismiss, & that's why I think the mainstream prefers to focus on them - it's a way to distract. They hardly ever give photo comparisons, if you'll notice. I hardly ever talk about the clues, b/c the pics are more convincing to me that it's not the same guy!

Now there is NOT a doubt in my mind that Paul was replaced due to a tragic accident or intenionally replaced (which i think is more likely as we now have a SIR FAUL).

The history of hollywood and the music industry is turning out to be one big satanic occult brainwashing routine. Selling your soul to the devil - "Angel Heart" for real.
My research is pointing to a strong link w/ intelligence agencies, which use satanic/occult groups as covers.

[astrochicken]

First off, paul/faul holding a cup or a cigarette in his left/right hand doesn't prove anything to me whatsoever and i think it distracts and reduces the debate to the level of clues on album covers.

Paul/Faul playing guitar or throwing a ball wronghandedly - that would be more conclusive.


I am a musician by the way and I would be shocked if there are more than a handful of musicians who believe Paul McCartney was replaced based on his recordings. There were two recordings given as evidence in one of these threads and one of you were going on about how much higher Paul's voice was back then or some such thing. It was clear to my educated ears that the difference in tone was not because of his voice being much different, but because of the recording equipment and studio and techniques being different. Everyone knows that due to advances in recording technology and just the style of the time that 70's records generally have a different sound than 60's records.

Do you sing and i mean really sing?

Imagine, you're hot, sweaty, people are dancing away, you're absolutely loving the song you're playing and you're giving it
everything your vocal chords can muster through that wee sm-58.

We're a 4-piece with 3 lead vocalists (byrds/beatles/60's retro-kinda-stuff) and vocal chords singing at their physical limits sound totally unique.

Take a leap of faith and listen to early beatles and post-peppers beatles screamers, listen to any song paul/faul sings.. and listen very carefully to when their voices are straining and at the top of it's range.. i'm not talking falsetto and singing from your neck with a head-voice "kopfstimme", but singing from the gut.

I busked coffeeshops and bars and tube-trains for long enough and know if and when a voice can project or not.
Paul you could have heard 3 streets away. Faul you might have missed if he'd being playing at the next table.

You can take long nights,days on the road, hardly any sleep, cartons of fags, hangovers, 5th gig that day.. take it all into account but there is no way on earth that we're only talking about one person. No way.

That is what my ears, after 25 years of playing music , are telling me.

[faulconandsnowjob]

"kopfstimme" - I think that would be singing from the throat, unless there's a technical term for that... :)

[howie]

I first heard of the theory in 1986 from a Beatles book, I didn't believe it at the time but that evidence is carefully constructed to make it look like a hoax, there is no mention of his appearance changing, the evidence only consists of a few backward recordings & the Abbey Road album cover, I never thought to look at the videos again until I started watching Iamphoneys series.

People who can't see it tell me I'm stupid, paranoid, need to get a life etc They need to look closer & think for themselves. The media are never going to do it for you.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7420/think1967gf8.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=think1967gf8.jpg)
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/think1967gf8.jpg/1/w466.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img525/think1967gf8.jpg/1/)

Fauls promoting Fireman in the US this week on The View & Howard Stern Show, he doesn't give any big clues this time, he does drop the usual famous/ordinary bloke double persona clue.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TT4MPMjRwIU

[supertzar]

I know how to sing, astrochicken. I don't know what you mean by really sing. I have sung lead onstage in bands many times. I took voice, learned to sing solfeggio by sight without a reference pitch, counted myself as a member of the number one high school choir in the US. I know about music and singing.

I find your conclusion completely false. Paul McCartney's voice has always had the same essential sound. The mics and preamps and compressors, the songs themselves and the effects of aging all play a role in creating variations in the basic tone color, but my own knowledge tells me that it's the same individual. It's barely questionable at all. Remember, I am in no way prejudiced about this. I think it would be awesome if it was true because it is so weird. It's just not true.

[faulconandsnowjob]

http://i40.tinypic.com/i74igp.jpg
^ That is an awesome comp. I don't think that is Paul on the right, either, which kind of throws the PID time-line off. It seems like he must have been replaced while still on the US tour in '66, b/c that pic was on Aug 29, '66.

People who can't see it tell me I'm stupid, paranoid, need to get a life etc
LOL! A common reaction from sheeple. I'm pretty much immune from insults like "stupid." If someone calls me that, I just ask them how many graduate degrees they have - b/c I have 3, & then it just makes them look stupid - hee :-P

Paul McCartney's voice has always had the same essential sound.
Yeesh! I guess he looks the same, too, huh? LOL!

[hugolast]

http://www.genetics.org/cgi/reprint/165/1/269.pdf

the difference in hair direction is genetic so that must mean he's different unless genes change in your twenties - i only say this because his hair appeared to change, dont know if this helps prove anything at all either way but i'm enjoying the discussion so thanks.:)

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Excellent article! Paul's eyes miraculously switched from dark hazel to light green at some point, too. Hmmm... LOL!

[supertzar]

He does look the same. Obviously his bone structure is identical here. It's so ironic that you lol at me, but you'll never understand that so I won't waste any more time. It gives me such a strange feeling to exchange posts with you PID people. I can't explain it except that I have rarely encountered such a combination of extreme delusion and misplaced sense of superiority. And that is saying a lot.

[hugolast]

i'm just enjoying making my mind up, i've been reading for a week and can kinda see both sides......as long as the arguements are backed up i've no problem being here reading this stuff. but there has to be content that much im sure.

[orbandsceptre27]

I find your avatar strangely disturbing. This seemingly pure baby child giving the sign to shush, to be quiet, to not think, to keep the secret. It has a suppressive vibe to me. Very sweet, but all the more insidious because of it. Disarming and creepy.

Back again I see.................... a little piece of advice for you Supertzar - lay off the junk and grow a pair! Freaked out by an "insidious" baby avatar (when I thought I`d heard it all lmao........) Who are you....... Renton from Trainspotting? :D

The avatar is a symbol of innocence...... how if people silence their judgemental minds and return to innocence (where all intelligence dwells) it becomes possible to see what "is" there......... instead of what you think is there. It is clearly a message lost on you Supertzar, through fear and paranoia!

I would be shocked if there are more than a handful of musicians who believe Paul McCartney was replaced based on his recordings.

In your opinion!

There were two recordings given as evidence in one of these threads and one of you was going on about how much higher Paul's voice was back then or some such thing. It was clear to my educated ears that the difference in tone was not because of his voice being much different, but because of the recording equipment and studio and techniques being different.

.......... Again you are being totally subjective - your opinions (We all have them, don`t cha know!)

Everyone knows that due to advances in recording technology and just the style of the time that 70's records generally have a different sound than 60's records.

You just get better and better :)

[orbandsceptre27]

http://www.genetics.org/cgi/reprint/165/1/269.pdf

the difference in hair direction is genetic so that must mean he's different unless genes change in your twenties - i only say this because his hair appeared to change, dont know if this helps prove anything at all either way but i'm enjoying the discussion so thanks.:)

Thanks for the article Hugolast, unfortunately it`s not opening for me at the moment - a problem with my own computer. I`ll hopefully be able to open and read it tomorrow!

[astrochicken]

I know how to sing, astrochicken. I don't know what you mean by really sing. I have sung lead onstage in bands many times. I took voice, learned to sing solfeggio by sight without a reference pitch, counted myself as a member of the number one high school choir in the US. I know about music and singing.


COOL!!


The mics and preamps and compressors, the songs themselves and the effects of aging all play a role in creating variations in the basic tone color, but my own knowledge tells me that it's the same individual.



All technology aside.

We're talking strained vocal chords here. When singing at their physical limits they sound totally different. As someone on a previous post stated: paul has an R&B voice, others are born with a 70's rock voice, others are soul singers, others still sing gospel naturally.. sure someone can mimic the various styles but just as i'd suck at singing soul.. r&b is to me a doddle.

The other difference is projection.
You can hear on the beatles recordings how playing 4 gigs a day, "8 days a week" which is not dissimilar to busking every day for a couple of hours solid, how they could project their voices.. i mean you can hear it through the vinyl and through the recording processes, whatever they may have been.

My original comment.. if paul really gave it laldy you would have heard him 3 blocks away.. faul, you would miss if he was standing at the next table.
I'd go so far as to say Paul could play electic guitar cranked up, sing WITHOUT a microphone and still be heard. That talent and ability to project is entirely lacking in ANY of faul's work.


To avoid any misunderstanding this is what i mean by "mimic".. and the guy is f***ing brilliant.

Rick Miller performs Bohemian Rhapsody - YouTube

[wisdomgirl]

If this is the imposter how can you explain his reaction to john lennon's death with whom he was a friend of years before the beatles formed? Pauls reaction to the news only hours earlier is of shock and you can see he is trying to seem like he's keeping it together, he looks genuinley shocked and from what you can see it looks like he's not botherd but anyone who is in tune emotionaly knows he's trying to hide what he really feels.

Paul McCartney reaction to news of John Lennon Death - YouTube

And this one is of paul almost losing it when he hears john's voice singing. If this man is an imposter then he's a bloody good actor.

Paul McCartney cries after John Lennon's death - YouTube

[faulconandsnowjob]

If this is the imposter how can you explain his reaction to john lennon's death with whom he was a friend of years before the beatles formed? Pauls reaction to the news only hours earlier is of shock and you can see he is trying to seem like he's keeping it together, he looks genuinley shocked and from what you can see it looks like he's not botherd but anyone who is in tune emotionaly knows he's trying to hide what he really feels.

Paul McCartney reaction to news of John Lennon Death

I read that reaction totally differently. He seems very blase about it. Yeah, it's a real drag, isn't it? Well, whatever, I gotta scram. Totally pisses me off, to be quite honest. You see it as "shock," I see it as indifference.

If this man is an imposter then he's a bloody good actor.
Oh, he's def a good actor! Kudos to him for that. He's tricked a lot of people for may years. Of course, he could never fill Paul's Beatle-boots, imo! :-)

He does look the same.
Yeah, I could see that. I mean, except for the eyes, the nose, the forehead, the ears, the chin, the jawline, & the eyebrows, he looks exactly the same! :-P

Obviously his bone structure is identical here. It's so ironic that you lol at me, but you'll never understand that so I won't waste any more time.
It's not something that you understand, it's something that you see. And I don't see it.

It gives me such a strange feeling to exchange posts with you PID people. I can't explain it except that I have rarely encountered such a combination of extreme delusion and misplaced sense of superiority. And that is saying a lot.
LOL! You seem to have learned some good disinfo tactics from our good friend, lightman. Well, I'm afraid they don't really work so well here. We're hip to that. As I said before, I'm pretty immune to insults :-P I know I'm right on this! :)

[astrochicken]

....and from what you can see it looks like he's not botherd but anyone who is in tune emotionaly knows he's trying to hide what he really feels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZh_BqJqKns


and here he is as george died

Paul McCartney's reaction to George Harrisons Death. - YouTube


I am in tune and his acting is just as bad as his impersonation.

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Was Faul reading a cue card? It sounded very... practiced. I don't think there was any love lost between Faul & George, so not surprising that he wouldn't be all broken up about it.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[orbandsceptre27]

and here he is as george died

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9jKLiVjok4

I am in tune and his acting is just as bad as his impersonation.

Lol..... I was just going to post that too - a bad actor like you say!


I read that reaction totally differently. He seems very blase about it. Yeah, it's a real drag, isn't it? Well, whatever, I gotta scram. Totally pisses me off, to be quite honest. You see it as "shock," I see it as indifference.

That interview on Lennons death tees me off - It`s blatantly obvious Billie could`nt give a toss!

[orbandsceptre27]

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=9TiRb8rfpH0

If you can`t tell that these two men can hardly sit in the same room as each other......

Bill on Ringo - "Oh yeah I`d use him, all the time."

Ringo on Bill - "I couldn`t drum with him because he was in another country........." wink wink, nudge nudge.

Ringo - "Life is great.............. the wife is grrrreat!" :D - Have a look at Bills face here, he`s going through a rough divorce with Heather and Ringos only too delighted to stick it to him...............!

Friends...................... Ehhh NO!

[faulconandsnowjob]

This one is really harsh, too. John & George are smirking about "Beatle Bill's" #5 in Sweden. John even calls Faul the "c-word." Ouch!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[lostworld]

Did we kill Lightman by establishing that Pauls eyes were dark and not green? :p

The great thing though, in his abscence it seems like more new people are posting here. More variety. That's great! :)

[lostworld]

Maybe too little too late, but just save it if the big disinfo comes back: :rolleyes:

Anita Cochrane was pretty intimate with Paul. As close as you can be actually, which resulted in a child and later in a trial (later cancelled) where she discovered that "Paul" wasn't Paul.
She must have looked Paul straight in the eyes – up close – many times... :p
So she, if anyone, certainly would know the colour of his eyes.

On the 10th of February 1964 at Billinge Hospital near Wigan, Philip Cochrane was born weighing 5lb 150z, a small but healthy baby. At this time Paul McCartney was on the Beatles` first tour of the US.

"I can remember them bringing my new baby to me after he`d been born and this woman said: `Feed him.` I looked at him and fell in love. I thought he was gorgeous and I really wanted to keep him. He had the same dark eyes as Paul. I just told my mum I couldn`t part with him."

Anita remembers her son being a happy wonderful child when he was little, but trouble was soon round the corner.

"He was such a lovely child. He was no trouble at all. He used to be very creative - artistic. And he`d look at me with those big brown eyes and get away with murder."

"Big brown eyes" - "same dark eyes as Paul". Get it? :)

the whole story here:
http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrities/couples/profile/paul-mccartney-and-anita-cochrane.htm


Oh, and btw Faulcon, this was the story I thought about before - the one when Paul isn't so nice and more uses the girl...
You also thought I meant Anita so, case closed. :)

[faulconandsnowjob]

Did we kill Lightman by establishing that Pauls eyes were dark and not green?
Lightman was just a big bully who had to insult people to support his position (b/c the facts were not on his side). Yeah, that didn't really work out for him so well, did it? Hee :cool:

The great thing though, in his abscence it seems like more new people are posting here. More variety. That's great!
I know! It is great to have new faces & new insights :) For ex, I really like Astrochicken's musical insights :)

[lostworld]

And, from the "Paul McCartney - Live At The Cavern Club" DVD

The sensitive Beatle with the big brown eyes, Paul McCartney was arguably the biggest heartthrob in one of the most important pop bands of all time. Since the Beatles broke up, he has continued to compose and perform with bands like Wings in solo capacity. On LIVE AT THE CAVERN CLUB, Paul is filmed at the Cavern Club in his hometown -- Liverpool, England -- for the first time since 1963, when the Beatles played there. Filmed on December 14, 1999, this spectacular concert features performances of Beatles classics as well as McCartney's solo work. In addition, special guest appearances by Pink Floyd's David Gilmour and Deep Purple's Ian Paice add significance to the live event.

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/373/51t8yd9jg4lss500ri2.jpg

[lostworld]

This was such a funny pic, I just had to post it here, sorry... :p


Faul and his new girlfriend:
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3708/snn0207gx2462164ask7.jpg


After all, you posted this on Stepford, Faulcon! :eek:
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/5401/sirpaulfa7.jpg


So, I guess, now we're even... LOL! :)

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Faul doesn't look too bad for 75! :-P

[lostworld]

I hate the shorts though...
And he's awfully white, typical corpse-white english skin (at it's worse) - sorry, not to offend anyone... :)

[faulconandsnowjob]

Hey, Faul was recently voted one of the sexiest stars over 50! Yeah, I don't see it. Anyway, I wonder if his g/f knows he's just some old guy pretending to be Paul?

[orbandsceptre27]

Maybe too little too late, but just save it if the big disinfo comes back: :rolleyes:

Anita Cochrane was pretty intimate with Paul. As close as you can be actually, which resulted in a child and later in a trial (later cancelled) where she discovered that "Paul" wasn't Paul.
She must have looked Paul straight in the eyes – up close – many times... :p
So she, if anyone, certainly would know the colour of his eyes.

On the 10th of February 1964 at Billinge Hospital near Wigan, Philip Cochrane was born weighing 5lb 150z, a small but healthy baby. At this time Paul McCartney was on the Beatles` first tour of the US.

"I can remember them bringing my new baby to me after he`d been born and this woman said: `Feed him.` I looked at him and fell in love. I thought he was gorgeous and I really wanted to keep him. He had the same dark eyes as Paul. I just told my mum I couldn`t part with him."

Anita remembers her son being a happy wonderful child when he was little, but trouble was soon round the corner.

"He was such a lovely child. He was no trouble at all. He used to be very creative - artistic. And he`d look at me with those big brown eyes and get away with murder."

"Big brown eyes" - "same dark eyes as Paul". Get it? :)

the whole story here:
http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrities/couples/profile/paul-mccartney-and-anita-cochrane.htm


Oh, and btw Faulcon, this was the story I thought about before - the one when Paul isn't so nice and more uses the girl...
You also thought I meant Anita so, case closed. :)

Thanks for that Lostworld :) - I hadn`t read that article before (still only half way through it) so I`ll read on.

[lostworld]

Thanks for that Lostworld :) - I hadn`t read that article before (still only half way through it) so I`ll read on.

Oh, great! I thought you guys knew "everything" by know... :p

[lostworld]

Hey, Faul was recently voted one of the sexiest stars over 50! Yeah, I don't see it. Anyway, I wonder if his g/f knows he's just some old guy pretending to be Paul?

Probably not... :(

BUT, maybe she'll find out like Heather did! :) :eek:

Again, just shocking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCQtP4AjVg8

[orbandsceptre27]

Oh, great! I thought you guys knew "everything" by know... :p

I know notin..... :p

[faulconandsnowjob]

Oh, and btw Faulcon, this was the story I thought about before - the one when Paul isn't so nice and more uses the girl...
Yeah, I've read that story before. Well, there are 2 sides, right? And that girl, Anita, slept w/ Paul on their first date! What did she expect? That they were going to get married? I'm sorry to be harsh, but come on, really.

[faulconandsnowjob]

More funny fake Faul ears as discovered by TRJ on PiD Miss Him:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/BillEarKintyre4.jpg

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Why did he bother w/ the ears? No one even notices the face is different. Sheesh :confused:

TRJ also got another shot of Faul's green eyes. Whoopsie! :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/mull01.jpg

[lostworld]

Quite an interesting story:
Apparently, there were rumours surrounding Bob Dylan being killed in a motorcycle accident 1967/assassinated by the C.I.A and replaced by a look-a-like.
Very similar to Paul and PID. :rolleyes:


I told Bob Dylan he was dead...
http://www.stmgrts.org.uk/archives/2008/12/i_told_bob_dylan_he_was_dead.html

[supertzar]

Back again I see.................... a little piece of advice for you Supertzar - lay off the junk and grow a pair! Freaked out by an "insidious" baby avatar (when I thought I`d heard it all lmao........) Who are you....... Renton from Trainspotting? :D

The avatar is a symbol of innocence...... how if people silence their judgemental minds and return to innocence (where all intelligence dwells) it becomes possible to see what "is" there......... instead of what you think is there. It is clearly a message lost on you Supertzar, through fear and paranoia!

I probably wouldn't mind it if it wasn't coupled with your posts about PID. I'll let you figure out why I say that. I made a promise to myself when I was a child that I would never forget what it was like to be a child and I have kept that promise. Your intended message is not lost. Moreover, it is not needed.



In your opinion!



.......... Again you are being totally subjective - your opinions (We all have them, don`t cha know!)

Yes.



You just get better and better :)

Yes, I agree. Thank you. :)

[supertzar]

COOL!!




All technology aside.

We're talking strained vocal chords here. When singing at their physical limits they sound totally different. As someone on a previous post stated: paul has an R&B voice, others are born with a 70's rock voice, others are soul singers, others still sing gospel naturally.. sure someone can mimic the various styles but just as i'd suck at singing soul.. r&b is to me a doddle.

R&B voice? That is so subjective and arbitrary to say that. He was a versatile singer with great intonation and a sound unique to his genetics.

The other difference is projection.
You can hear on the beatles recordings how playing 4 gigs a day, "8 days a week" which is not dissimilar to busking every day for a couple of hours solid, how they could project their voices.. i mean you can hear it through the vinyl and through the recording processes, whatever they may have been.

My original comment.. if paul really gave it laldy you would have heard him 3 blocks away.. faul, you would miss if he was standing at the next table.
I'd go so far as to say Paul could play electic guitar cranked up, sing WITHOUT a microphone and still be heard. That talent and ability to project is entirely lacking in ANY of faul's work.

He didn't need to project so much once he became famous, did he? All that raw energy was transferred to in-studio creativity. Sure, he lost a lot of steam after the Beatles and that is certainly apparent in his recordings and shows, but it would probably be hard to get excited about much of anything after being in the Beatles. Just about anything would be anti-climactic after that.


To avoid any misunderstanding this is what i mean by "mimic".. and the guy is f***ing brilliant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6mZvsWHs4M

Can't watch that at the moment.

[hugolast]

http://i41.tinypic.com/1pz80x.jpg
phil akrill

http://i44.tinypic.com/2efufbd.jpg
phil akrill is who 60if says was paul

http://i39.tinypic.com/24g2etz.jpg
looks a bit like more his son to be fair, this doesn't prove anything just an observation really

http://i41.tinypic.com/1z2q9gm.jpg
i would have thought there would be more resemblence to paul than phil. again it proves nothing just what i got from reading the stuff, like i say im new to this but let me know what you think

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ The 60IF stuff I take w/ a grain of salt. I think there's some good info there, but some is suspect, imo.

About Bob Dylan, I don't know what's up w/ that, but there were certainly some weird things going on in spook-infested Laurel Canyon back in the '60's. Well, there are still weird things going on :-P

LC articles here: http://davesweb.cnchost.com/

[truthseeker49]

Hello, Hugo. I don't see the resemblance between James & Paul. At least not in the comparison that you posted. On my forum, we have brought up the possibility that Vivian Stanshall is related to Sir Faul. The fact is, Faul's son James bears an uncanny resemblance to Viv.
On my forum, I have done comparisons between Viv & Sir Faul. There are those who believe that they are one & the same person. I feel that is not possible, as Viv had dark brown eyes. The person performing with his band in MMT had beautiful light colored eyes. I don't think that light colored contacts existed in 1967. And even if they did, they wouldn't have looked as authentic as his eyes did during his performance of Death Cab for Cutie. I feel that song was chosen for it's significance to what they had just gone through.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/Trueclues/viv_keithmoon_desktop.jpg Viv & Keith Moon
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/bill_green_eyes.jpgFaul as Viv in MMT
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/Trueclues/James_shaved.jpg James

[faulconandsnowjob]

These 2 look alike to me

http://i41.tinypic.com/1z2q9gm.jpg

[truthseeker49]

Faulcon, yes they do.

James http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/Trueclues/James10-07.jpghttp://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/Trueclues/BillandLinda.jpg Faul
He really does look like his dad. Check out the huge foreheads on both of them !

Paul had a small forehead:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/Trueclues/JPSP1.jpg
Paul/1964 vs. Faul/1967
Faul's eyes look grey in the above comparison.

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ The difference in size of the foreheads is remarkable. Check out Faul's big old forehead :-P

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/49472399_83bc1e35de.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/49472772_87963fa444.jpg

[lostworld]

I wanted to stay out of this theory cause it absolutely makes no sense to me,
BUT now it bothers me so I have to ask:

(I've seen pics of Viv so I know who she is btw)

http://i41.tinypic.com/1pz80x.jpg
phil akrill

http://i44.tinypic.com/2efufbd.jpg
phil akrill is who 60if says was paul

How can Phil Akrill be Faul and at the same time himself, as both younger and older? There is absolutely no resemblance between him and Faul what so ever so what about the plastic surgery he must had done...?
How could he then also be himself as older...?
I just don't get it... :confused:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/bill_green_eyes.jpgFaul as Viv in MMT

Is Phil and Viv supposed to be the same person? How can he be Viv, a woman, in this pic then... :confused:

Excuse me if I'm a bit thick & slow here, but I really can't understand this.
So please explain in a short version if possible, thanks! :)

[faulconandsnowjob]

Lostworld, I'll let Truthseeker explain this theory, b/c I've not given it too much consideration. But just to clear up one point, Vivian Stanshall is/was a man :) Anyway, I think at the crux of the theory (?) is that Faul is/was intell w/ different personas...?

[truthseeker49]

Lostworld, I'll let Truthseeker explain this theory, b/c I've not given it too much consideration. But just to clear up one point, Vivian Stanshall is/was a man Anyway, I think at the crux of the theory (?) is that Faul is/was intell w/ different personas...?
__________________

Faulcon is exactly right. The only reason I disagree with the possibility of him working intel like that, is because it makes no sense to me. It's different if Vivian Stanshall was in a position to effect something or someone. He was just a two bit musician in a two bit band that most people have never ever heard of.
Faul as Paul ( & therefore intel ) makes sense, as he is in a position to effect our society.
Vivian was not. I don't know who Phil Akril is. I do know that SunKing, from 60IF/TKIN, has been going on about him for quite sometime now. Since he rarely explains his ideas & theories fully, I find it hard following him alot of the time. That is why I branched out & started my own forum.
Maybe Phil Akril is in a position to effect our society ? I guess he's saying that Phil IS Faul or who alot of people have been referring to as "Bill".
Phil=Bill....Well, it does rhyme...:rolleyes:

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ There's so much disinfo out there, too.

Well, anyway, here is a pic of Paul from Aug 19, 1966 (Memphis) on the left. The other is supposedly of him on Aug 29, 1966 (San Francisco), but I don't think so.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/comp_memphis_la.jpg

[orbandsceptre27]

Lostworld, I'll let Truthseeker explain this theory, b/c I've not given it too much consideration. But just to clear up one point, Vivian Stanshall is/was a man Anyway, I think at the crux of the theory (?) is that Faul is/was intell w/ different personas...?
__________________

Faulcon is exactly right. The only reason I disagree with the possibility of him working intel like that, is because it makes no sense to me. It's different if Vivian Stanshall was in a position to effect something or someone. He was just a two bit musician in a two bit band that most people have never ever heard of.
Faul as Paul ( & therefore intel ) makes sense, as he is in a position to effect our society.
Vivian was not. I don't know who Phil Akril is. I do know that SunKing, from 60IF/TKIN, has been going on about him for quite sometime now. Since he rarely explains his ideas & theories fully, I find it hard following him alot of the time. That is why I branched out & started my own forum.
Maybe Phil Akril is in a position to effect our society ? I guess he's saying that Phil IS Faul or who alot of people have been referring to as "Bill".
Phil=Bill....Well, it does rhyme...:rolleyes:

I must read into this myself Truthseeker - have heard of it before but haven`t read much about it.

[lostworld]

Thanks for explaining guys,
it still makes no sense to me though... :(

How can Phil Akrill both be Faul and himself at the same time when they have no resemblance what so ever? For Phil to become Faul/Paul it would take major plastic surgery and then there is no turning back from that part and be Phil again... :confused:

But, I will leave it. I don't think Phil Akrill or Viv (or if they are one and the same) is Faul. So, I'll go with my instinct as always... ;)

[faulconandsnowjob]

Lostworld, we agree w/ you on the Phil/Faul thing. It seems like it's just some disinfo that's been put out there to lead us off track. I do think there is an intelligence connection, tho.

paul is dead - the rotten apple 73 - YouTube

^ Not such a good replica! But I like how iaap used the "Dr. Faustus" video of Faul. I mean, if you're going to go into magick & all that, it'd be hard to come up w/ a scarier pic of Faul, imo. Yikes! :eek:

[faulconandsnowjob]

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/comp_mmt2.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/comp_blkandwhite.jpg

[supertzar]

Look at his teeth. Are you telling me those are not the same teeth? How could anyone think that?

[hugolast]

the teeth do look similar and could be the same but alot of the remaining features are different, if got some fangs fitted it wouldn't make me dracula. I think the eyes are are similar and the teeth, alot of the other stuff seems different. I'm new to all this pid stuff so dont want to commit fully yet without reading all the stuff but i do think im looking at a different person, i think i could tell the difference if you showed me a series of pictures, you just know when you look in someones eyes if it's the same person dont you, everything seems to have been made deliberately confusing though.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Look at his teeth. Are you telling me those are not the same teeth? How could anyone think that?
Teeth are easy to fix. Look at the faces. Are you telling me those are the same face? How could anyone think these are the same guy? Oh, wait, I know. B/c they've been conditioned to think that.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/McCartneyReplacedBySheppard.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/~Beatleboy1/1964.beatles.schiphol.amsterdam.c.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/geredfaul.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

Does anyone seriously want to argue that anything Faul did post-Beatles can compare w/ Paul's work? Maybe this one?

Paul McCartney - Spies Like Us - YouTube

^ totally gives the game away - lol! :D

[truthseeker49]

About the Faul, Viv connection. I just did a series of comparisons on my forum. Here is a direct link to it:

http://only1rad.proboards62.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=phoney&thread=1180&page=1

Faul's forehead is larger than Viv's, amongst other differences. :)

[lightblessins]

i find this thread very interesting, but the why behind it is even more so. the rest of the other beatles must of known, did they accept there welcoming into the illuminati and paul didnt so thats y he had to be changed, with the poeple power, fame and wealth they where prime to be asked to join, something like this with bill needing traing etc surely they were involved some how, but y would the illuminati want to control the worlds current biggest band? mind control in the music seems logical. was john later killed because he wanted to come clean about it, ive heard his killer might of been under mind control, what about the other 2, harrison was a krishna monk maybe he wanted to change his ways and promised not to tell, ringo did thomas the tank engine, ive hread that had lots of mind control in it, but then what childrens programs dont. one things for sure i aint listening to another beatles record again! lol!

[faulconandsnowjob]

Hi, Lightblessins & welcome!

the rest of the other beatles must of known, did they accept there welcoming into the illuminati and paul didnt so thats y he had to be changed, with the poeple power, fame and wealth they where prime to be asked to join, something like this with bill needing traing etc surely they were involved some how, but y would the illuminati want to control the worlds current biggest band?
My personal feeling at this point is that the Beatles were very talented & were selected for stardom. TPTB & intell agencies seem to control the entertainment industry (just like everything else). In the mid-60's, there was an effort headed up by the Tavistock Institute to spread LSD (& other drugs) amongst the populace. It seems like rock stars were a good promotional tool. Again, my feeling is that Paul wouldn't go along w/ this agenda. Shortly after he was removed, Faul came out talking about how he'd dropped acid (hey, kids, ain't it fun?)

mind control in the music seems logical. was john later killed because he wanted to come clean about it,
That is a very good possibility. It seems like he told TPTB that he wasn't going to play along anymore - he gave back his MBE, & then the FBI basically forced him to retreat from public life in the mid-70's. I know it's been speculated that the new Reagan admin was afraid he'd cause problems. Well, he probably would have! :) I'm not sure if I posted this on this thread already, but this was from one of the Laurel Canyon articles linking John to spook-infested LA:

From http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr101.html:

"...Former Beatle John Lennon is, to be sure, one of the most famous names to be found on the Laurel Canyon Death List. Lennon also has the distinction of being one of the few Laurel Canyon alumni whose cause of death is acknowledged to have been homicide. The ex-Beatle, of course, never lived in the canyon, but he was a fixture on the Sunset Strip and at various Laurel Canyon hangouts, frequently in the company of Harry Nilsson. And as readers surely recall, he was gunned down on December 8, 1980 – purportedly by Mark David Chapman, but more likely by a second gunman.

Lennon was, as everyone knows, murdered in front of New York’s Dakota Apartments, which had been portrayed by filmmaker Roman Polanski in the 1960s as a den of Satanic cult activity (in his film Rosemary’s Baby). Not long before Lennon’s murder, Chapman had approached occult filmmaker Kenneth Anger and offered him a gift of live bullets. Just days after Lennon was felled, Anger’s long-delayed final cut of Lucifer Rising made its New York debut, not far from the bloodstained grounds of the Dakota Apartments. And not long after that, the ‘Reagan Revolution’ began to transform America..."

The book, "The Lennon Prophecy," really seems to try to tie John to Satanism, saying he "sold his soul to the devil," but I think what was really going on was that they were neck deep in the intelligence business.

... One of the points that we've tried to make, throughout the course
of our discussion of *The Ultimate Evil*, is that, again, the
*Satanism* is one of the things that throws people off. The
intelligence agencies have *long* used occult groups as a front
for activity. For one thing, occult groups exist at the periphery
of public scrutiny and therefore are ideal to use as intelligence
fronts. In addition to that, because of the unusual activities of
occult groups, any suspicious activity on the part of an
intelligence agent *using* these groups could be laid simply to
the bizarre nature of the group itself. [CN -- also, first
amendment protections for "religious" freedom would help shield
them from investigation.]Now specifically, vis a vis mind control, many, many of the cults
on the scene today are, in fact, mind-control fronts for the U.S.
Intelligence and Military communities.

http://www.theconspiracy.us/9410/0023.html


ive heard his killer might of been under mind control,
Yes, it seems like MDC was a mind-controlled Manchurian Candidate assassin. Fenton Bresler def makes that case in his book.

what about the other 2, harrison was a krishna monk maybe he wanted to change his ways and promised not to tell, ringo did thomas the tank engine, ive hread that had lots of mind control in it, but then what childrens programs dont.
Well, I'm sure it would've been dangerous for anyone to come out & say what happened to Paul. I'm sure you've seen the video w/ Heather Mills by now asking Faul to "protect her."

That is an excellent point about Ringo & deserves further research.

one things for sure i aint listening to another beatles record again! lol!
Now, that is a shame, b/c there's some great music there. Paul was a super-talent, imo :) <333

[lostworld]

About the Faul, Viv connection. I just did a series of comparisons on my forum. Here is a direct link to it:

http://only1rad.proboards62.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=phoney&thread=1180&page=1

Faul's forehead is larger than Viv's, amongst other differences. :)

Thanks!

I've posted a response on PID too.

I still don't get how this would even, just technically, be possibe :confused:
There is absolutely no resemblance whatsoever, and how could Viv/Phil then play both the part of himself and then Paul/Faul?
Plastic surgery was needed to become "Paul" - nothing else would have worked, not makeup, no plastic/fake nose or anything like that...

I will never understand this theory...:(

[dibzzz]

I couldn't give a fuck, there's much more going on than this distraction.

[lostworld]

i find this thread very interesting, but the why behind it is even more so. the rest of the other beatles must of known, did they accept there welcoming into the illuminati and paul didnt so thats y he had to be changed, with the poeple power, fame and wealth they where prime to be asked to join, something like this with bill needing traing etc surely they were involved some how, but y would the illuminati want to control the worlds current biggest band? mind control in the music seems logical. was john later killed because he wanted to come clean about it, ive heard his killer might of been under mind control, what about the other 2, harrison was a krishna monk maybe he wanted to change his ways and promised not to tell, ringo did thomas the tank engine, ive hread that had lots of mind control in it, but then what childrens programs dont. one things for sure i aint listening to another beatles record again! lol!

Hi Lightblessins!
Since you seem interested in the mindcontrol concept,
check this out too:
I found info on stalkers and assasins - how they are actually programmed "left overs", persons who wasn't qualified to reach the higher levels within the illuminati. They were no good as politicians etc.
There is supposedly a whole stalker program.

It starts on page 25.
http://www.forgenerations.net/documents/vol2-maybe.pdf

[faulconandsnowjob]

Thanks, LW, for that link. Mind-control certainly seems to be an aspect of this sordid story. Not only w/ the mind-controlled assassin MDC, but also w/ the LSD promotion in the mid to late '60's. I'd really like to know more about how people are conditioned to see 2 difft people as being the same person.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/PaulMcCartneyBillSheppard.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

There's been an effort in some circles to link the Beatles to satanism thru A. Crowley. Maybe he was a satanist, but he seems to have also been a spy. Yep, I sense an intelligence link w/ the Beatles.

"... Fleming was a British intelligence operative during (and after) World War II, when he worked closely with Nazi 'defector' Rudolph Hess and a rather notorious character named Aleister Crowley – a flamboyant occultist, British and probable U.S. intelligence operative, and avid German and Nazi propagandist during World Wars I and II..."

Celluloid Heroes: Part I
or: You Can See All the Blood as You Walk Down Hollywood Boulevard
David McGowan
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/wtc12.html

[orbandsceptre27]

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=pI6dxXrL6tw

^ Crowley was a nasty bit of stuff. I don`t know a huge amount about him but there are a few threads here on this forum. I`ll try and resurrect one or two in the near future.

He seems to have influenced many highly successful bands/artists of the 60`s and 70`s - The Beatles, the Doors, Led Zeppelin and David Bowie to name a few. Ozzie Ozborne even wrote a song about him entitled "Mr. Crowley."

You could be right Faulcon - Crowley may have had some link with Mi6 and other intel agencies throughout his life. He was certainly a very provocative character.

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ MI6 was my thought exactly.... Oh, lookey here:

Operation OFTEN, a study which attempted to harness the power of occultic forces was possibly one of several cover programs to hide the insidious reality of Project MONARCH.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mindcon02.htm

^ According to that link, there's a lot of satanism involved w/ mind control... will have to flesh that out more.

[lightblessins]

the thing about the beatles being used to promote lsd seems a very likely possiblilty, the way the illuminati use the fame of music artists for mind control to promote there views on to the world is only 1 that iam new to, im still wondering if there was any mind control in the music, must of been, they wrote alot about it in their lyrics but it was never black and white. tho i really feel 4 paul, thos that walked the path n paid the price, least u can rest in peace knowing he beleived and acted for the freedom of humanity, the other beatles can go suck some draconain cock!

[hugolast]

Thanks, LW, for that link. Mind-control certainly seems to be an aspect of this sordid story. Not only w/ the mind-controlled assassin MDC, but also w/ the LSD promotion in the mid to late '60's. I'd really like to know more about how people are conditioned to see 2 difft people as being the same person.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/PaulMcCartneyBillSheppard.jpg

i think this is relelvant and funny, listen at 54 seconds....hmmm
http://www.56.com/u15/v_MTI1NDM0MzY.html

[astrochicken]

i think this is relelvant and funny, listen at 54 seconds....hmmm
http://www.56.com/u15/v_MTI1NDM0MzY.html


LOL

"I'm sure that wouldn't have worked quite as well if i'd been a famous pop star"

Illuminati Musicians


http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=jEA3QmWuBm0

[orbandsceptre27]

LOL

"I'm sure that wouldn't have worked quite as well if i'd been a famous pop star"


Haha :D lol - Faul must look at that clip and go....... "thats what its like for me everyday!"

[orbandsceptre27]

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FYmOKpjCIWw&feature=channel_page

[faulconandsnowjob]

Derren Brown totally knows Paul was replaced!

& about Illuminati Musicians... I kind of think anyone who makes it really big must be one of them. BTW, Robbie Williams was pushed off a stage in Germany by someone who thought he was an imposter.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Somebody posted this song today on Doppelgaenger:

John Lennon - Bring on the Lucie (Freeda Peeple) - YouTube

John Lennon
Bring On The Lucie (Freeda Peeple)

(Alright Boys, this is it, over the hill)

We don't care what flag you're waving
We don't even want to know your name
We don't care where you're from or where you're going
All we know is that you came
You're making all our decisions
We have just one request of you
That while you're thinking things over
Here's something you just better do

Free the people now
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it now
Free the people now
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it now

Well we were caught with our hands in the air
Don't despair paranoia is everywhere
We can shake it with love when we're scared
So let's shout it aloud like a prayer

Free the people now
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it now
Free the people now
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it now

We understand your paranoia
But we don't want to play your game
You think you're cool and know what you are doing
666 is your name
So while you're jerking off each other
You better bear this thought in mind
Your time is up you better know it
But maybe you don't read the signs

Free the people now
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it now
Free the people now
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it now

Well you were caught with your hands in the kill
And you still got to swallow your pill
As you slip and you slide down the hill
On the blood of the people you killed

Stop the killing (Free the people now)
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it now
Stop the killing (Free the people now)
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it now

Bring on the lucie

http://www.rockpoplyrics.com/john_lennon/bringontheluciefreedapeeple.php

So, who is he talking about? Illuminati? & who/what is "lucie"? Lucifer? Same as Lucy in the Sky?
EDIT: It seems like he means light - "luc." Bring on the light. Excellent.

[faulconandsnowjob]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/Western2aaa.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/IM15.jpg

^ As astounding at it may seem, these are supposed to be the same person. Um, yeah... :-o

[faulconandsnowjob]

This is from an interview w/ Playboy w/ John Lennon in 1980 - shortly before he was assassinated.

http://www.geocities.com/~beatleboy1/playboy.jan81.jpg


PLAYBOY: "Acid?"

LENNON: "Not in years. A little mushroom or peyote is not beyond my scope, you know, maybe twice a year or something. You don't hear about it anymore, but people are still visiting the cosmos. We must always remember to thank the CIA and the Army for LSD. That's what people forget. Everything is the opposite of what it is, isn't it, Harry? So get out the bottle, boy... and relax. They invented LSD to control people and what they did was give us freedom. Sometimes it works in mysterious ways its wonders to perform. If you look in the Government reports on acid, the ones who jumped out the window or killed themselves because of it, I think even with Art Linkletter's daughter, it happened to her years later. So, let's face it, she wasn't really on acid when she jumped out the window. And I've never met anybody who's had a flashback on acid. I've never had a flashback in my life and I took millions of trips in the Sixties."

http://www.whale.to/b/lennon1.html

[orbandsceptre27]

http://www.jojoplace.org/Shoebox/Valis/bb45-6.jpg

^ Yes Faulcon he looks quite different - Longer jaw line and completely different lower facial structure, different eye colour as we`ve seen and his mannerisms are totally at odds with James Paul McCartney.

[faulconandsnowjob]

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/paul_chair.jpghttp://www.jojoplace.org/Shoebox/Valis/bb45-6.jpg

^ Not even close :eek: Paul's eyes were bigger & his nose wasn't as long. I hate Faul's porn-star mustache, btw. I guess it threw off a lot of people, tho. Geeze :-P

[fireman]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/Western2aaa.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/IM15.jpg

^ As astounding at it may seem, these are supposed to be the same person. Um, yeah... :-o

Um, yeah.. they are!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/IM15.jpghttp://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/sidebyside3.gif

[supertzar]

You guys can't see, plain and simple. It's obviously the same person.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Um, yeah.. they are!

You guys can't see, plain and simple. It's obviously the same person.
Where can I get what you guys are on? Seriously, it sounds like a trip :D

Anyway, we're the ones who can't see? Hahahahahaha! :D The difference is as plain as day to us. I think it's you guys who have some magic dust in your eyes. Either that, or you have no eye for detail! :cool: Or maybe you can see the difference, but you don't want to admit to it b/c it's too disturbing? But if you want to live a lie, go ahead. Sure, go ahead & believe these guys are the same. It's a little disturbing, but whatever.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/OnlyBeatles/paul_faul_vintage.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/PaulnBill.jpg

So, you guys who can't see the difference, can you tell the difference in the music? Which one of Faul's songs equals "Yesterday"? "Hope of Deliverance"? LOLOLOLOL :D Maybe Paul just coincidentally lost his looks & his talent about the same time... Yeah, a likely story. :D

[faulconandsnowjob]

I should be more sensitive. The people who can't see the difference between Paul & Faul even after having it pointed out to them must be missing a lot of other things, too. That's kind of unfortunate :(

[lightblessins]

i av to admit at a glance they do look like the same person, i av seen quite a few paul, faul pics are after looking at each seperate facial part, i.e chin, nose, lips etc u can see some differences, remeber bill shepard i think hes called that did under go medical processes to make him seem more paul like, do think this case is very interesting, i love cause i love music so its close to me. my question to you is, what about pauls family, did they notice something, surely they must of, after all they knew paul better then any1, they must of had something to say about it, do you anything about that?

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Sure, Paul's family knew. I'm certain the Illuminati is behind what happened to him - using the CIA or some such agency as their tool. I'm sure his friends & family were forced to suffer in silence.

Danger to possessions, status or loved ones has dissuaded many a would-be foe of Illuminati schemes.

The Illuminati FAQ by Abner Whateley
http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/humor/illum50.html

It seems like Heather Mills freaked when she found out, but she knew she couldn't just come out w/ it. She had to protect herself.

paul is dead - the rotten apple 63 u - YouTube

So, yeah, what are you gonna do? Well, imo, the Beatles were trying to tell people in code, b/c they couldn't just come out & say it.

[orbandsceptre27]

You can find excellent refutations of the PID theory if you look. I don't have time to link it right now, but I will put some links up later if I get around to it.

198 pages later................ I`m still waiting!

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ LOLOLOL! :) That's too funny. Yeah, I'd be interested in seeing these "excellent refutations of the PID theory," too :D

I don't have time to link it right now,
How convenient.

[orbandsceptre27]

^ Yeah that was over 6 months ago (echo) - But I guess they`ll be worth waiting for .......... right Supertzar?? :)

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Hee hee :D While we're waiting, here's another comp:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/JPM/TPUDec65002.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/faulie-bw.jpg

[supertzar]

198 pages later................ I`m still waiting!

I'm pretty sure I posted the site that successfully debunks every aspect of the 60if site. Everything else you post debunks itself. I find it hard to believe this is not some kind of experiment to see how many people will believe in the stupidest thing possible if you just keep hammering away at them.

[orbandsceptre27]

I'm pretty sure I posted the site that successfully debunks every aspect of the 60if site.

- Where is it?

We dealt with every piece of garbage you`ve brought up many times, and here you are still..... balling away!

I find it hard to believe this is not some kind of experiment to see how many people will believe in the stupidest thing possible if you just keep hammering away at them.

How are you so sure you`re not stupid??

- You say in your signature you`re half goon/shill, half God. I`d ratchet the goon percentage up another 50, and drop the god complex.......... if I were you! :)

[faulconandsnowjob]

I'm pretty sure I posted the site that successfully debunks every aspect of the 60if site.
That is not the same thing as debunking PID. The 60IF site is not the last & final word in PID truth.

Everything else you post debunks itself.
LOL! Oh, ok. Posting pics showing that Paul & Faul are 2 different guys somehow "debunks" the theory that Paul was replaced. Silly me :D

I find it hard to believe this is not some kind of experiment to see how many people will believe in the stupidest thing possible if you just keep hammering away at them.
I think the experiment is to see how many people will believe 2 different guys are the same person if the media keeps telling them so. It's a little disturbing that even when the differences are pointed out to *some* people, they still can't see it. Do you even look at the pictures? B/c if you do, & you can't see the differences... Well, I'm kind of concerned about your vision.

[supertzar]

Superimpose the last two pics you put up and even though they are taken at different times, show a different expression and are at slightly different angles, they still match up. I would do it myself if I had photoshop. How can you stand to be so wrong and so haughty?

[faulconandsnowjob]

supertzar, I don't think that it's an issue of intelligence to be able to tell the difference. I really think it's an issue of having a decent eye for detail.

Those pictures I posted are clearly not of the same person. They do not look the same at all. I really can't imagine why you think they are the same person. It's an interesting psychological puzzle to me that you keep clinging to the belief that they're the same even though they're obviously not. It's really quite remarkable.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/OnlyBeatles/paul_faul_vintage.png

^ Not even close. For starters, the eyes, nose, eyelashes & eyebrows are different. Anyone who really looks at the pictures should be able to see that.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Maybe Paul had a sudden growth-spurt in his 20's? Ok, I'm being sarcastic, but it seems like PIA'ers are able to rationalize away every inconsistency! :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/WlarusGirl/All_About_The_Beatles_11.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/dreamer2.jpg

[supertzar]

You won't superimpose those pics just like you wouldn't acknowledge that comparison video that shows Paul McCartney gesturing and talking in exactly the same way. That makes me lean toward the 'experiment' hypothesis to explain your behavior.

[faulconandsnowjob]

I see you've completely ignored the height difference w/ respect to Ringo. Not surprising.

You won't superimpose those pics just like you wouldn't acknowledge that comparison video that shows Paul McCartney gesturing and talking in exactly the same way.
I post a tons of pics to support my position. If you want to try to prove they're the same person, go for it. Good luck w/ that. However, I'm not going to do your work for you. BTW, if you super-impose the pics, they will not line up, b/c they're not the same person. And the video - well, some guy mimicking Paul doesn't mean it IS Paul, or haven't you ever heard of celebrity impersonators?

I think the strength of your beliefs/pre-conceived notions keep you from seeing what's right in front of your face. Either that, or you just won't look at the pictures. It's so obviously NOT the same person.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/compare66.jpg

Faul w/ the bug eyes :D ^

[supertzar]

Sigh...

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Oh, & which one of "Paul's" post Beatles songs do you think measures up to "Yesterday," "For No One," or "Eleanor Rigby"?

[orbandsceptre27]

Sigh...

Something to cheer you up Supertzar :) -

This is another Faul - not the real Paul McCartney. (It does look like real tea though........!)

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=jqbCoNCNKm8


A tune and a half -

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=dCQ9AYYDOCg&feature=channel_page

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Hey, that looks just like Paul McCartney. It must be him! Somebody who looks that much like him couldn't possibly be an impersonator. That's just crazy. :D

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/memphis_66_comp.jpg
^ Shapes of the heads are totally different. You can superimpose them all you want. They're not going to line up.

[orbandsceptre27]

^ Hey, that looks just like Paul McCartney. It must be him! Somebody who looks that much like him couldn't possibly be an impersonator. That's just crazy. :D

I was nearly duped too Faulcon ............. till I realised this guy has more talent than Billy..... dooooo! :)

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/memphis_66_comp.jpg
^ Shapes of the heads are totally different. You can superimpose them all you want. They're not going to line up.[/QUOTE]

Very good comparison Faulcon - If people only examine these two interviews they`ll see two completely different individuals.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=f1CidMWUfbw
Interview with original Paul McCartney

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=zxnCngmi8gg
Faul

[faulconandsnowjob]

If people only examine these two interviews they`ll see two completely different individuals.
No, it's impossible. They must both be Paul. Why? Because the media says they are! I don't care if they don't look the same or act the same. I just can't believe the media would ever lie to me! *puts fingers in ears* La la la la la! :rolleyes:

^ *sarcasm* :D

[orbandsceptre27]

This says it all for me -

i only heard of this pid thing a week ago but find it both funyy and disturbing -

anyways i asked my girlfriends 12 year old sister if they were the same man and she just laughed and went "no you stupid idiot" and carried on playing with her ipod like i was the fool for saying they were the same - the exact opposite of how we are told things are.....unbiased mind you see....


We can learn so much from a little kid who hasn`t been conditioned/brainwashed by the media into seeing the same person, when it`s clearly obvious they`re not!

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Yeah, it's so painfully obvious they're not the same person. I don't care what the media or Faux Faul says.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/1966_comp.jpg

Faul's nose is about a foot longer than Paul's! ^ His mouth is also wider. Faul's right eyebrow is also missing that distinctive arch Paul's had.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/memphis_66_paul.jpghttp://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/Faul_eyebrow.jpg

^ Does anyone seriously want to argue that's the same guy? If so... wow :eek:

[astrochicken]

Despite the visual, there's the entire audio aspect.
They sound totally different as was discussed re: the vocal chords working at their physical limits, ie straining to reach a note.

Supertzar, it's a shame that you're opinion seems cast in stone.

Another thing i've been wondering, which is not to distract from the PIA conspiracy theory ;) but i've been wondering lately how many of the songs they actually did write. Their's just to much occult symbology and hand gestures involved, and this all way before the advent of hard rock and heavy metal. Either way Paul could really sing, whether interpreting his own or someone elses songs.. whereas faul is just hopeless.

Post-peppers beatles is faul all the way and now i know why i intuitively never liked the last 3 albums. To me it was all just wanking around in blues progressions lacking even a catchy middle-eight.

[faulconandsnowjob]

I've seen some articles speculate that Theodore Adorno was writing the Beatles' songs, but I think Paul must have written the music. It was great w/ him, then deteriorated after he was gone. If someone else had been writing for them, then they could have kept writing for Faul... but they didn't. Faul never had an "Eleanor Rigby." So, yeah, I think Paul was the talent/genius. :)

[astrochicken]

I've seen some articles speculate that Theodore Adorno was writing the Beatles' songs, but I think Paul must have written the music. It was great w/ him, then deteriorated after he was gone. If someone else had been writing for them, then they could have kept writing for Faul... but they didn't. Faul never had an "Eleanor Rigby." So, yeah, I think Paul was the talent/genius. :)


When did theodore Adorno die?

[hugolast]

does anyone know whether any people who think paul is the same person dispute the scientific fact there are three different voices on sgt peppers meant to be paul? What i mean is will someone who is of the opinion paul is the same person say the voices are the same also (as he is credited with singing on those songs). Voices are like fingerprints so if paul is the same person they are the same voices on sgt peppers aren't they not three different ones. But before you say it's the same voices remember the guy who analysed the voices was a scientist qualified to give evidence in a court of law.