Is Paul really dead?

[faulconandsnowjob]

I'm going to be quite blunt here. People don't change their eye color, their facial features, & grow 2 inches in their mid-20's. If you think Paul is the same after 1966, then you're either a disinfo agent or just plain stupid.

[socrates]

I'm going to be quite blunt here. People don't change their eye color, their facial features, & grow 2 inches in their mid-20's.

No, they don't. :rolleyes:

If you think Paul is the same after 1966, then you're either a disinfo agent

You know all about "disinfo". 'Paul didn't have freckles', 'Scientists prove Paul wasn't replaced'... etc. LOL!

All bullshit.

or just plain stupid.

Says the person who thinks they may have downloaded Paul's mind into 'Faul's's brain. :rolleyes:

You are just going round and round in circles, posting the same responses, the same photos over and over and over and over and over and over....

I bet you just cut and paste your responses from your previous posts.

[formosan termite]

I'm going to be quite blunt here. People don't change their eye color, their facial features, & grow 2 inches in their mid-20's. If you think Paul is the same after 1966, then you're either a disinfo agent or just plain stupid.

Blunt? As opposed to the sweetheart you usually are?

1) You stated Paul had brown eyes. Fraud. Paul McCartney said himself in 1965 his eyes are hazel. We have shown many different scientific sources that state hazel eyes can shift from brown to green to gray depending on the surroundings. I think I will believe Paul about the color of his eyes, not you.

2) Facial features did not change. We have dozens of comparisons that show that.

3) There is no height change. We have shown that with many photos.

Disinfo agent. The same old tired crap.

And, I agree with Socrates. "Stupid" is thinking that they downloaded Paul's mind into Faul's brain.

Sounds like a little temper tantrum here because that article "proving" PID has been shown to be a big fraud based all on photos from Sun King's PID website. Not independent or scientific. Scientists would not base their work soley on photo images taken from a website, the purpose of which is to promote the idea that Paul is dead. Hardly a reliable and unbiased set of data to use.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Paul changed his eye color, his facial features & grew 2 inches in his mid-20s. Yeah, right. You guys are too stupid to figure out he was replaced. Poor blind fools.

[formosan termite]

Paul changed his eye color, his facial features & grew 2 inches in his mid-20s. Yeah, right. You guys are too stupid to figure out he was replaced. Poor blind fools.

You keep saying the same erroneous things over and over. They have been proven wrong. Typing the same thing again won't change the facts.

[elisa]

Hi Formosan Termite and Socrates!

Yeah, it's a great story and an even greater gesture. I have friends who have had encounters with other famous people I like, but all pale in comparison to how much I wish I had been my grandpa instead :D Paul asking him if HE remember him... genius, lol. Grandpa always told that he got to live the very Paul fangirl dream, and really, he totally did!


Dowloading minds? Don't even know if it's an inner thread joke, so no idea, but wow.

And well, I'm nobody so I won't say more than this, but calling people stupid when they don't share your same views on something is not only plainly rude, but dangerous.

So the article was finally based on someone supporting the death theory?

[socrates]

Hi Formosan Termite and Socrates!

Yeah, it's a great story and an even greater gesture. I have friends who have had encounters with other famous people I like, but all pale in comparison to how much I wish I had been my grandpa instead :D Paul asking him if HE remember him... genius, lol. Grandpa always told that he got to live the very Paul fangirl dream, and really, he totally did!

That's great. Must have been a fantastic experience for your grandpa.

Dowloading minds? Don't even know if it's an inner thread joke, so no idea, but wow.

No - it's no joke. Faulcon actually believes it could have happened! :eek:

So the article was finally based on someone supporting the death theory?

Yes. The photos used came directly from some PID site.

[phrased eyebrow]

Yes, I believe Paul was replaced. PIA folks have "truth" on their side, so what's the big deal of proving an established fact?

Isn't this forum all about "exposing the dreamworld we believe to be real?" Go ahead and impugn the target market if you wish, since you're obviously not going to consider that Paul could have been replaced. My understanding is that open minds are welcome here.

[elisa]

No - it's no joke. Faulconpoop actually believes it could have happened! :eek:

Yes. The photos used came directly from some PID site.

Since I don't really know this Faulcon person, I won't really say much. I'm all for open mindedness and all, but I think my openness must have settled some limits. This downloading thing it's definitely beyond them. :)

Yes, I believe Paul was replaced. PIA folks have "truth" on their side, so what's the big deal of proving an established fact?

Isn't this forum all about "exposing the dreamworld we believe to be real?" Go ahead and impugn the target market if you wish, since you're obviously not going to consider that Paul could have been replaced. My understanding is that open minds are welcome here.


Phrased Eyebrow, hi.

It's ok that you believe Paulie was replaced. What is not very ok is to preach openmindedness in a condescending manner (I'm not telling you are doing that, I just mean the general trend we humans have when we believe the truth is ours; I've felt that a lot around the whole forums, to be honest).

I personally went through a LOT of pages in this thread because, in spite of my own experience, I was truly interested in seeing where people came from when they claimed Paul's replacement.

I don't think it's a matter of not wanting to consider, but on the contrary, a matter of considering, and then honestly and genuinely conclude that he was or wasn't the same after 1966.

Paul, to me, looked different somehow after that little break. But then a gain, they all did. I look at Hello Goodbye and yes, there's something strange in his looks. But then look at All You Need Is Love, June 1967, live for the world, and I don't really see any differences at all. There's even a cute/funny gesture of him at the end of the song that is totally Paul.

It's those little details that, had I not heard any old grandpas' tales, would led me to conclude he was the same man in the end. You can only alter and replace so far. I can't imagine how one can replace charm, facial gestures, voice, mannerisms, talent, hands, freckles (that was a good one, I had never noticed before)...in a convincing manner, and above all, in less than a year!

And well, had this Faul guy gone under surgery to look more like Paul, he would have sported very visible scars by summer 67. My aunt had to have half her face reconstructed and had ugly scars for ages, make up and all. In 2002, not back in the 60s.

But that's me. Ol stupid Elisa. ;)

Anyway, it's always interesting to hear all sides.

Hugs everyone.

[theenlightenedone]

Great post Elisa.

Open mind is good.

I was PID and went to MaccaFunHouse with 100% open mind.

I look at evidence and think.

Then I conclude.

Paul Is Alive.

I been fooled by fabricated "proofs" and lies.

And you're right about scars.

People would've noticed.

You can't replace one of most famous pop-stars and no one notice it.

But PIDers can't see that.

Only response is "What about height difference, eye color change, personality change?"

There is none.

Paul always Paul.

[formosan termite]

More evidence that that article that faulcon has pushed as "proof" was just a PID setup. From research genius Flaming Pie:

I have a strong feeling Francesco Gavazzeni, from the WIRED article, either knows Sun King... or is Sun King.

Check out this blog, it's called "House of the Rising Sun"

http://scatolone.wordpress.com/

As you can see, the latest post is called "The Duke is Naked". And of Course there's a post dedicated to PID.

It's run by three people, one of whom is... Francesco Gavazzeni.

That article was no independent scientific study. It was written by a person involved with pushing the PID hoax. Maybe even Sun King himself.

[dream9]

Oh I guess it has to be Sun King, because no-one else in Italy or anywhere else could come to the same conclusion.:rolleyes:

[mind1universe]

Then why did Paul and John play the sick joke.


It doesnt really matter if its him or not at the end of the day, the beatles knew the story and knew what they were doing. If Paul was not replaced and John played this sick joke. Then I have lost my respect for him.


Making people think and provoke their thoughts is one thing.

But making people think your dead, is not a joke. Whether you all see it or not te symbolism is there. I know the sublimal messages behind it.


Regardless of the facts or not. They did use this philosphy to make people realise that we are all the one thing anyway, dead or alive, paul or no paul. we are all the warlus when we stop thinking and realising who we really are.

But I still have trouble myself whether Paul is dead, because where is the other guy??

[theenlightenedone]

Joke?

Clues are made up by searchers.

There was no PID joke.

It's a hoax.

[socrates]

Then why did Paul and John play the sick joke.

They didn't.

John denies Paul is dead:

http://beatlesnumber9.com/pid.wma

[formosan termite]

Oh I guess it has to be Sun King, because no-one else in Italy or anywhere else could come to the same conclusion.:rolleyes:



All of the photos used in the article come from Sun King's website. The photos on that website are from Sun King's English website. There are links on that site to Sun King's website. Sun King's site is called "The King Is Naked." This site has a section called "The Duke Is Naked." The site is called "House of the Rising Sun"

And you find it hard to believe that there is a connection?:rolleyes:

[faulconandsnowjob]

Faul's mouth is wider than Paul's

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/McCartney_Faker.jpg

[dedesuperman]

To begin I would like to make notice something or have observe three easy things that could look alike, here they are:

1) According to the main medias to the year that John F. Kennedy was murdered in November 1963 the Warren commission with the theory of the magic bullet arrived to the conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald would be the main suspect to have pulled the deathblow of the death of the American president John F. Kennedy. Evidently after this followed all sorts of theories as much logical or odd to explain what way that John F. Kennedy was murdered.
Without making a long story there are still today those that believe in the main version of the medias that affirms that it is Lee Harvey Oswald who would be the one that would have put an end to the life of JFK and the others that would believe in another version to say that would be in inside job or whatever you like. We can affirm that they exist two camps, the one that is for the version of the medias and the other one that would contradict the official version as for example those that would believe in the version of the movie of Oliver Stone JFK. At this moment it remains to know which one that you believed?

2) According to the main medias (including CNN) in the day of September 11, 2001 at the time of the fall and destruction of the twin towers in New-York that would be the work of the Muslim extremists that we calls Al-Quaida and the brain of this machiavellian action is Osama Bin Laden. Without wanting to go in the details of this tragedy that make speak a lot of people, still today they exist a lot of people who believe in the official version as the one says by CNN for example. Without forgetting that even some famous scientists don't put in doubt the one says by CNN also Peter Jennings the anchorman did a special program showing that the stupid theories (conspiration theory) advanced by other people and even of other scientists repulse the reverse of the hand the other logical explanation arrives to the conclusion that the official version it is the one that prevails. In one word the conpiration theory is the 'bullshit' What is your thought on that, do you believe in the official version or an inside job?

3) And finally my last example are according to the main medias Sir Paul McCartney is and he will always be Sir Paul McCartney (the original Paul from The Beatles) therefore he is alive (PIA) And one day in the year 1969 or maybe before someone advances a theory that Paul McCartney would have died and has been replaced by a double or a look alike this is the birth of the PID. Evidently followed a polemic saying that is a hoax and that it doesn't have any sense at all. Yet today although the medias, magazines and even Paul (Faul), John (why he's been killed??) and other would have affirmed that it is a joke and hoax they exist some people who make noticed of the differences between Paul and Faul (according to PID) but this theory is too crazy to be taken seriously by the PIA and the mainstream media and once again who is right? The mainstream media and the majority that is right and again another slap in the face for those that advances another theory that the official version says. The same for the Wired magazine a lot of people put in doubt this magazine and called this 'bullshit' or whatever you like to call because the mainstream media like CNN don't say anything about that! Hooray lull people with our lies and our silence!

To conclude what are the points in common? In the 3 cases they would seem that the mainstream medias are right and that the 3 stupid theories advanced by other people would be the most incredible thing to believe. Let's continue to sleep thanks to the medias for God's sake but me I decided to be awake. Oh yeah I forgot some PIA says: Are you sure you are awake? or rather OPEN YOUR EYES! My answered are: yes I prefer beings brainwashed by another explanation that the fucking media who lies us since decades lol!

For the theories of JFK and September 11 go to the other threads in the forum of DI.

[formosan termite]

Faul's mouth is wider than Paul's

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/McCartney_Faker.jpg

Ok.

We demonstrated that the article showing "scientific proof" was a fraud.

Socrates and I destroyed the change in eye color fraud.

We blew the nose difference diversion.

Now we try and change the subject with the mouth?

Measured them. They are the same size, although the one on the right appears shorter because of the hairy lip.

But really, try harder. It has been scientifically proven that lens types can distort facial features and that two pictures of the same person taken with different type lenses can make the person's features look different in each photo.

And nice try attempting to change the subject to other conspiracies, but I will stick with the topic of this thread. I can see from the foul language that having your theories blown out of the water is getting you emotionally unhinged. We can readily see why you would want to divert this to something else.

[elisa]

Hey desdesuperman!

Interesting points, you know. I'll only address the last one since I can't talk that much about the rest. I do think there's always much more than we know. I always compare it with us teachers preparing classes and our pupils knowing nothing about what happens before or after them ;)



3) And finally my last example are according to the main medias Sir Paul McCartney is and he will always be Sir Paul McCartney (the original Paul from The Beatles) therefore he is alive (PIA) And one day in the year 1969 or maybe before someone advances a theory that Paul McCartney would have died and has been replaced by a double or a look alike this is the birth of the PID. Evidently followed a polemic saying that is a hoax and that it doesn't have any sense at all. Yet today although the medias, magazines and even Paul (Faul), John (why he's been killed??) and other would have affirmed that it is a joke and hoax they exist some people who make noticed of the differences between Paul and Faul (according to PID) but this theory is too crazy to be taken seriously by the PIA and the mainstream media and once again who is right? The mainstream media and the majority that is right and again another slap in the face for those that advances another theory that the official version says. The same for the Wired magazine a lot of people put in doubt this magazine and called this 'bullshit' or whatever you like to call because the mainstream media like CNN don't say anything about that! Hooray lull people with our lies and our silence!


The media we all know is always more or less biased, so I can imagine all theories and more.

But I bolded the part in which you mention that those belonging to PIA say that this theory is too crazy to be taken seriously. I am no part of any PIA site or movement or anything (again, I didn't even know it was still going on after so many years until a few days ago), so I'll speak only in my name.

I didn't thought it was too crazy to be taken seriously and dismissed it as a bunch of rubbish. I honestly tried to see what truth could some people see to claim such a thing. I consider it, saw and felt.

And honestly, totally honestly, end up concluding that Paul was always Paul. Some of my thoughts on the matter followed this train:

I looked for the change in height. In some PID photos I've seen, they are totally right, Paul looks like a giant in comparison! But then again, there are loads of footage of Paul and the boys in other places (India trip comes to mind) ,other photoshoots, other pics...and well, Paul seems the same as always.

I looked for the change in eyes. I don't think comparing pics of good ol Paul and nowadays-Sir Paul is accurate, since it's well known that old people lose pigment and end up with that grayish blueish shade. In b/w pics, Paul's eyes look as dark as mine. I have almost black eyes. But my brother, for example, has got hazel eyes, a mix of my dad's brown and my mum's beautiful green. In some pics you see my brother's eyes as brown and dark as me, whereas in others, his eyes look greenish.
And that's exactly what I see in Paul's. But again, it's only me!:)

I looked for any other changes in face and body built and everything. There are some PID comparisons that make you think, but in others I can see they aren't very good comparisons.

The elongated face, for example, is something I also noticed. But I also noticed that he simply looked like he lost his cheeks, due to losing weigh perhaps. In some old pics, Paul shows the same structure. In other pics is like his entire expression was off or something. But then there are pics of a teenage Paul that show that exact same expression.

On the other hand, the hands...*sigh* I love hands, and have a knack/disturbing skill with spotting hands. Paul's and Faul's hands are the same, at least to my eyes.

And then the freckles, the two triplets on cheeks and neck, is something I hadn't noticed. This is something I saw in a PIA post in here. I genuinely would like to see if PID has said something about this. I don't know, to me it's pretty distinctive.

And finally, well, my grandpa's encounter.

So, all of this, and not the media or any PIAs, made me conclude that Paul is Paul. All of this plus that voice, that talent, those mannerisms, his charm...

Which is half a pity, since I love good conspiracy theories :D

Formosan Termite, hi! That looks interesting indeed...


And hi theenlightenedone *waves* So you started out as a PID? Proof that people change mind constantly, and not because they want or don't want to believe something.

Elisa ~

[socrates]

Faul's mouth is wider than Paul's

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/McCartney_Faker.jpg

Pathetic.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/JPM_Faul.jpg

[formosan termite]

Hey desdesuperman!

Interesting points, you know. I'll only address the last one since I can't talk that much about the rest. I do think there's always much more than we know. I always compare it with us teachers preparing classes and our pupils knowing nothing about what happens before or after them ;)



The media we all know is always more or less biased, so I can imagine all theories and more.

But I bolded the part in which you mention that those belonging to PIA say that this theory is too crazy to be taken seriously. I am no part of any PIA site or movement or anything (again, I didn't even know it was still going on after so many years until a few days ago), so I'll speak only in my name.

I didn't thought it was too crazy to be taken seriously and dismissed it as a bunch of rubbish. I honestly tried to see what truth could some people see to claim such a thing. I consider it, saw and felt.

And honestly, totally honestly, end up concluding that Paul was always Paul. Some of my thoughts on the matter followed this train:

I looked for the change in height. In some PID photos I've seen, they are totally right, Paul looks like a giant in comparison! But then again, there are loads of footage of Paul and the boys in other places (India trip comes to mind) ,other photoshoots, other pics...and well, Paul seems the same as always.

I looked for the change in eyes. I don't think comparing pics of good ol Paul and nowadays-Sir Paul is accurate, since it's well known that old people lose pigment and end up with that grayish blueish shade. In b/w pics, Paul's eyes look as dark as mine. I have almost black eyes. But my brother, for example, has got hazel eyes, a mix of my dad's brown and my mum's beautiful green. In some pics you see my brother's eyes as brown and dark as me, whereas in others, his eyes look greenish.
And that's exactly what I see in Paul's. But again, it's only me!:)

I looked for any other changes in face and body built and everything. There are some PID comparisons that make you think, but in others I can see they aren't very good comparisons.

The elongated face, for example, is something I also noticed. But I also noticed that he simply looked like he lost his cheeks, due to losing weigh perhaps. In some old pics, Paul shows the same structure. In other pics is like his entire expression was off or something. But then there are pics of a teenage Paul that show that exact same expression.

On the other hand, the hands...*sigh* I love hands, and have a knack/disturbing skill with spotting hands. Paul's and Faul's hands are the same, at least to my eyes.

And then the freckles, the two triplets on cheeks and neck, is something I hadn't noticed. This is something I saw in a PIA post in here. I genuinely would like to see if PID has said something about this. I don't know, to me it's pretty distinctive.

And finally, well, my grandpa's encounter.

So, all of this, and not the media or any PIAs, made me conclude that Paul is Paul. All of this plus that voice, that talent, those mannerisms, his charm...

Which is half a pity, since I love good conspiracy theories :D

Formosan Termite, hi! That looks interesting indeed...


And hi theenlightenedone *waves* So you started out as a PID? Proof that people change mind constantly, and not because they want or don't want to believe something.

Elisa ~

Of course your grandpa's story should be the main point. There is no way that Faul could have recognized your grandpa, so it had to be Paul.

But your points are excellent. If we PIA people simply said that we believed PIA because the media says so, our argument would be weak indeed.

I am the last to trust what the media says. I try to verify things on my own using more direct sources.

There is a lady I knew. She was from Liverpool and grew up with Paul. She knew all of the Beatles personally and saw them play at the Cavern. Being Beatle fans my friends and I talked to her a great deal. When asked, she said Paul is the same. Paul was not replaced. This was from someone who knew Paul directly and personally. This was more important to me than anything the media has said.

I was open minded when I first joined 60IF 6 years ago. I looked at the evidence on both sides, and came to a conclusion based on the evidence. I have no care for what the media says.

The problem is, some people here get everything they know from conspiracy sites and don't bother to consider any other point-of-view. They need to show their superiority over us poor mind-numbed sheeple. They are the special people who are above the rest of us because only they can see the "truth." I think it is some emotional thing.

[howie]

40th anniversary of Abbey Road LP

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1205310/PICTURED-The-Beatles-album-cover-started-decades-long-conspiracy-theory.html


http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3885/abbeyroadc.jpg

The Bus poster reads The Ugly Truth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ugly_Truth_(film)

Abby is forced to cancel a romantic weekend away with Colin and instead go with Mike and convince him to stay with the morning show. After the show they go for drinks and dancing, and Mike admits he doesn't want to move and is happier to stay in Sacramento with his sister and nephew. In the elevator they kiss passionately briefly but leave for their separate rooms. Mike calls to Abby's room only to find Colin has shown up to surprise her. He leaves Abby to be with Colin. Abby realizes Colin only likes the woman she has been pretending to be, not the real her and she breaks up with him.

[phrased eyebrow]

http://c.shores.home.mindspring.com/2pauls.gif



I've only considered accepting this PID thing for 4-5 months now. I'd read that Walrus was Paul book but it all just seemed too incredible. The RottenApple videos- they were easy to get drawn into.

In fact, if not for stumbling across this thread (or it's double) to begin with, I probably would have Never considered PID to be true. So for 5000+ replies, Congratulations. I wonder how many More PID converts this blossoming thread will produce?


edit: Hey Elisa. I liked your post.

[fireman]

Paul is alive.


http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/diverse%20photos/PIA-collage.gif

[pinkfreud]

i've read through some of the recent posts and i've had to edit some of them.

please don't resort to name calling; if you disagree with one another, i'm sure there are more civil ways to express yourselves.

[dream9]

please don't resort to name calling;


Yes, like calling someone faulconpoop.


David has stated that the evidence for Paul's death and replacement is "compelling". I am sure that he wouldn't appreciate people coming to his forum just to stop(or attempt to stop) someone from discussing that as a subject. Many or most of the regular posters on this thread with the opposing view are doing just that and they do not post anything else(or very little) on this forum. In fact, these same people have little respect for David's work and consider him a nut like many of his critics.

[formosan termite]

Seems that if there is to be a discussion, that both sides of an issue should be allowed. We are not here to stop this from being discussed. We love it being discussed. We just want to make sure the PIA side is presented.

Faulconjob (and that is not name calling, that is just to shorten it because "faulconandsnowjob" is so long) has told PIA people here to Shut the F*ck Up. Is that nice? Is that civil? Is that allowing discussion? No.

Does name calling apply to being called stupid, or being falsely accused of being paid disinformation agents? I hope the request to be civil is directed at both sides here.

[formosan termite]

Paul is alive.


http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/diverse%20photos/PIA-collage.gif

MASTERPIECE!

Anyone saying these pictures are not of the same person, are great, nice and wonderful people. Just not correct.

kum ba yah

[socrates]

Yes, like calling someone faulconpoop.

When she calls me by my proper name, I will return the courtesy.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Yes, like calling someone faulconpoop.


That's obviously coming from someone who is very immature, not very creative, & has no good argument, so has to resort to insults. That's pathetic.

BTW, it's been PROVEN Paul was replaced in 1966. People are just in denial about it.
http://only1rad.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=faker&action=display&thread=1511

[formosan termite]

That's obviously coming from someone who is very immature, not very creative, & has no good argument, so has to resort to insults. That's pathetic.

BTW, it's been PROVEN Paul was replaced in 1966. People are just in denial about it.
http://only1rad.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=faker&action=display&thread=1511

This from someone who told PIAers to "Shut the F*ck Up" and calls anyone who disagrees with her either "stupid" or a "paid disinformation agent.":rolleyes: And at least Socrates did a great deal of research on the hazel eye color and provided several links from various sources to back up what he said.

Btw it has been PROVEN that the Wired article was a fraud. It was NOT an independent scientific study that used original authentic photographs, but rather a biased report that used only photo images from a PID website run by Sun King. An article that uses only photos from a website promoting the idea that "Paul is dead" is biased from the start. They would have no control over the images. They would have no assurance that the photos used were not altered in some way. And Sun King has been known to stretch and flip photos in order to mislead people.

Please visit the links provided by faulconandshowjob. One needs to see all evidence and points-of-view. But also see the links provided by the PIA people. See this one below:

http://maccafunhouse.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=essentials&action=display&thread=3860

[socrates]

That's obviously coming from someone who is very immature, not very creative, & has no good argument, so has to resort to insults. That's pathetic.

Hypocrisy:

The practice of claiming to have standards or beliefs that are contrary to one's real character or actual behaviour.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hypocrisy

Hey, Focrates (b/c I have respect for Socrates)

YOU started the name insults you absolute HYPOCRITE. Yet you bad mouth me when I play along with your own childish game.

Unbelievable. :rolleyes:

[faulconandsnowjob]

And at least Socrates did a great deal of research on the hazel eye color and provided several links from various sources to back up what he said.
Socrates just can't tell the difference btw hazel & green. Pathetic :rolleyes:

Btw it has been PROVEN that the Wired article was a fraud.
That's a lie - & not very convincing from someone who has 0 scientific credentials :rolleyes:

It was NOT an independent scientific study that used original authentic photographs, but rather a biased report that used only photo images from a PID website run by Sun King.
LOL! Wow. You people are really desperate to bury the truth, aren't you?

Please visit the links provided by faulconandshowjob. One needs to see all evidence and points-of-view. But also see the links provided by the PIA people. See this one below:
Yes, please do visit my links. You will see it's been proven Paul was replaced in 1966.
http://only1rad.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=faker&action=display&thread=1511

[faulconandsnowjob]

YOU started the name insults you absolute HYPOCRITE. Yet you bad mouth me when I play along with your own childish game.

Unbelievable. :rolleyes:

I'm sick of your insults. You're too stupid to figure out that people don't grow 2 inches, change eye color & rearrange their facial features in their mid-20's. Pathetic. :rolleyes:

[faulconandsnowjob]

This is for you PIA'ers who can't accept that someone doesn't change eye color, grow 2 inches & change his facial features in his mid-20's.

de⋅ni⋅al  [di-nahy-uhl]
–noun
...
8. Psychology. an unconscious defense mechanism used to reduce anxiety by denying... facts that are consciously intolerable.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/denial

[formosan termite]

You are just a rude, immature DISINFO AGENT. I'm sick of your insults. You're too stupid to figure out that people don't grow 2 inches, change eye color & rearrange their facial features in their mid-20's. Pathetic. :rolleyes:


Is this the name calling that is supposed to stop? I hope that this is edited to remove the name calling like the others.

We know people don't grow 2 inches, change eye color and rearrage facial features in their mid 20s. That didn't happen with Paul.

It was shown over and over that hazel eyes can look green. Makeup companies even give advice on this. Socrates posted several links to back it up. Can you provide even one link that states that hazel eyes can not look green? I also provided links, including from the Stanford School of Medicine showing that hazel eyes can look green depending on the surroundings. Can you offer any site that disputes all these other sites?

[supertzar]

Lol@faulcon!

http://debikm.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/waah.jpg

[formosan termite]

Btw. It has been proven that the Wired article is a fraud. I was a science major in college. I know the scientific process. You don't use only biased data from a biased source as your base of data.

All of the photos used in that fraudulent article came from Sun King's site, the purpose of which is to promote the idea that Paul is dead.

Please read our links, too.

The truth about the Wired article

http://maccafunhouse.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=essentials&action=display&thread=3860

[socrates]

You are just a rude, immature DISINFO AGENT. I'm sick of your insults.

LOL!!! You insult me and then say you're sick of my insults!

Are you for real?

And you have insulted every PIAer in here.

Please, you're hypocrisy is laughable.

You're too stupid to figure out that people don't grow 2 inches, change eye color & rearrange their facial features in their mid-20's.

And you're too stupid to understand that no one is saying that! :rolleyes:

[formosan termite]

No. Only an idiot would say that hazel eyes can't look green.

Can you read?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_color



The fact that hazel eyes can shift in color is common knowledge. Makeup companies even give advice on how deal with that fact.

http://www.essortment.com/all/makeuphazeleye_tuyd.htm

You fool. As I have said, my wife and one of my sons have hazel eyes. Sometimes they look brown, sometimes GREEN. The hell with what I learned in Kindergarten, I look into hazel eyes EVERY DAY. And yes, sometimes they look green. (And sometimes gray, but that doesn't happen very often.)

Please read above

[formosan termite]

http://www.essortment.com/all/makeuphazeleye_tuyd.htm

This is one from a makeup company. It shows eye color tips for changing hazel eyes.

[formosan termite]

Here is another that discusses Harrison Ford's hazel eyes and how they change color with the environment.

http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=18391

[formosan termite]

Hazel eyes change color depending on what color the person is wearing, the lighting, and mood. Otherwise known as "mood eyes".

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=changing+eye+color

[formosan termite]

See the following thread for more:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8100&page=191



Please, faulcon, go one by one and refute each of these sites. Please show any sites, any backup at all, that states that hazel eyes can not look green.

Socrates made a statement. He backed it up with documentation from various sources.

[theenlightenedone]

Faulcon.

Cry baby cry.

Make your mother sigh.

You're old enough to know better.

Cry baby cry.

[elisa]

Why you keep saying the word pathetic, Faulcon?

I haven't being around for long, therefore I don't know you. Yet I'm still wondering why there's not even one nice word from you, or at least words of respect, regarding others' opinions posted in here.

I'm personally flipping with your constant calling 'stupid' to everyone who does not share your views . I have my skills very well, thank you. Almost perfect sight, sharp and healthy observation skills, and a free and open mind who constantly reminds that, no matter how sure of myself I might be, I might be wrong at the end of the day. Damned human limitations...

I'm tempted to join PIA just for fun :p

EDIT: I forgot the rest of the post...:rolleyes:

Hi back at you, phrased eyebrow!:)

Of course your grandpa's story should be the main point. There is no way that Faul could have recognized your grandpa, so it had to be Paul.

But your points are excellent. If we PIA people simply said that we believed PIA because the media says so, our argument would be weak indeed.

I am the last to trust what the media says. I try to verify things on my own using more direct sources.

Same here, formosan. I have a good knack for things and my instincts are pretty good, I don't even know why, but there they are. And when there's something that attracts my attention, I follow it, and do research, and until my mind is not satisfied one way or another, I can't put it to rest.

Believing what others say does not put it to rest.

There is a lady I knew. She was from Liverpool and grew up with Paul. She knew all of the Beatles personally and saw them play at the Cavern. Being Beatle fans my friends and I talked to her a great deal. When asked, she said Paul is the same. Paul was not replaced. This was from someone who knew Paul directly and personally. This was more important to me than anything the media has said.

I love to hear from people who knew the boys back then. I wasn't around when Beatles happened, so listening to people that actually were is one of the best sources.

The problem is, some people here get everything they know from conspiracy sites and don't bother to consider any other point-of-view. They need to show their superiority over us poor mind-numbed sheeple. They are the special people who are above the rest of us because only they can see the "truth." I think it is some emotional thing.

It might be, lol.

What I know is that we can only see the sunrise from our window, so claiming we have the truth is kind of funny. :rolleyes:

[theenlightenedone]

Feel free to join MaccaFunHouse elisa.

We treat people with respect and all views welcome.

We don't ban people or treat them badly just because they have different views.

Like some forums out there.

Banning people and editing posts just because they not PID.

[formosan termite]

Scientific method

Scientific method - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Experiments - Once predictions are made, they can be tested by experiments. If test results contradict predictions, then the hypotheses are called into question and explanations may be sought. Sometimes experiments are conducted incorrectly and are at fault. If the results confirm the predictions, then the hypotheses are considered likely to be correct but might still be wrong and are subject to further testing. The experimental control is a technique for dealing with observational error. This technique uses the contrast between multiple samples (or observations) under differing conditions, to see what varies or what remains the same.

Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment: Your experiment tests whether your hypothesis is true or false. It is important for your experiment to be a fair test. You conduct a fair test by making sure that you change only one factor at a time while keeping all other conditions the same.

You should also repeat your experiments several times to make sure that the first results weren't just an accident.

The hypothesis for these "scientists" was that Paul was replaced. You can see above about the scientific method. In the scientific method, you must use multiple samples. You use control factors and change the factors one at a time while keeping all other conditions the same. In this case, control factors could be testing measurements of pre 67 photos against each other to see if the measurements always matched between pre 67 photos. The same should have been done on post 66 photos to see if all measurements matched. Then when testing pre 67 against post 66, you would test many different samples to make sure variances were always the same. And, as you can read above, these experiments should be completed several times to make sure the final results are accurate.

Most of all, the data to be tested should not be tainted in any way. The testing should be on random data free from any bias.

In this article, there was very little data tested. There were no control tests done to make sure measurements always matched the hypothesis. They show no tests in that article of comparisons between photos of Paul and Paul and between "Faul" and "Faul". Several such tests should have been done on multiple original photos to show that the measurements always matched.

Most of all, though, the data used for testing was biased and tainted. They did not use original vintage photos, but images off the internet. And, worse, all of the data used were from a website biased toward the PID point-of-view.

Ok, faulcon, show your scientific background. Avoid insults and calling everyone stupid and paid disinfo agents, and be scientific. Describe your scientific training. Please, in detail, show how these "scientists" in the Wired article followed the scientific method described above. Provide the multiple random samples used. Describe what control factors were used in the testing. And please let us know how using only data from a PID website does not taint the final results of the experiments. Honestly answer the following question. If People Magazine put out an article claiming to prove that Paul is alive, and the only evidence they presented was from MaccaFunhouse, would you accept that as being truly scientific? I wouldn't.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Feel free to join MaccaFunHouse elisa.

We treat people with respect and all views welcome.



Oh, that's funny. People should read this thread to see how MFH treats people w/ "respect."
http://maccafunhouse.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=gossip&action=display&thread=3269&page=1

Fireman was desperate to have back up on this thread b/c people were starting to see the truth that Paul was replaced (God forbid). All you PIA'ers can do is insult people & LIE. I've posted tons of evidence supporting my position. It's a LIE that I haven't posted pics of Paul's hazel/brown eyes & Faul's GREEN eyes. You want it again? Fine.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a389/Genie_Dalek/browneyes3.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc205/thebeatlesfour/paul/peeking.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/SFF_green_eyes.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/blueeyes3.jpg

Hazel is not the same thing as green.

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4628/screenhunter439us7wd6.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6675/green1gc6.jpg

People don't change eye color, don't grow over 2 inches & don't change facial features in their mid-20's. They're either in denial or just plain stupid if they can't recognize that Paul was replaced.

[faulconandsnowjob]

We don't ban people or treat them badly just because they have different views.

Like some forums out there.


Aw, poor baby. Did you get banned from a forum for being a troll/disinfo agent? *sniff* :D lol

[formosan termite]

Hazel is not the same thing as green.



People don't change eye color, don't grow over 2 inches & don't change facial features in their mid-20's. They're either in denial or just plain stupid if they can't recognize that Paul was replaced.

You keep saying the same thing, we will keep providing the truth.

Paul did not change eye color. His eyes were and are hazel.

As we have demonstrated over and over with multiple sources backing us up, hazel eyes can shift in color from brown to gray to green depending on the surroundings.

My wife and son have hazel eyes. Sometimes they look brown, sometimes GREEN. I look into them every day.

Yes, hazel eyes can look green. Yes, hazel eyes can look green.

Again

Eye color - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hazel
This iris shows a mixture of brown, green, and amber colors.

Hazel eyes are due to a combination of Rayleigh scattering and a moderate amount of melanin in the iris' anterior border layer.[7][25] Hazel eyes often appear to shift in color from a light brown to a dark golden-green. A number of studies using three-point scales have assigned hazel to be the medium-color between the lightest shade of blue and darkest shade of brown. Hazel mostly consists of Brown and Green. The dominant color in the eye can either be green or light brown/gold.[47][48][49][50][51][52][53] This can sometimes produce a multicolored iris, i.e., an eye that is light brown near the pupil and charcoal or amber/dark green on the outer part of the iris (and vice versa) when observed in sunlight. Hazel is commonly found in Europe, the Middle East, Americas, Central Asia and parts of South Asia.

Yes you have shown photos of Paul with brown eyes, and post 66 Paul with green. No kidding. But we have shown Paul with green eyes, and post 66 Paul with brown. That is what happens with hazel eyes. They can look brown or green depending on surroundings.

Yes. Hazel eyes can look green.

Makeup companies even give advice as to what makeup to use to bring out the eye color you want.

http://www.essortment.com/all/makeuphazeleye_tuyd.htm

You can keep lying by saying hazel can not look green, but all the documentation and evidence is on our side.

[formosan termite]

Aw, poor baby. Did you get banned from a forum for being a troll/disinfo agent? *sniff* :D lol

No, he was actually a pidder that trashed maccafunhouse on NIR and then joined to have it out with us. He was respectful and we treated him kindly.

[formosan termite]

Hazel is not the same thing as green.



A demonstrable misrepresentation.

Hazel eyes change color depending on what color the person is wearing, the lighting, and mood. Otherwise known as "mood eyes".

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=changing+eye+color

[faulconandsnowjob]

You keep saying the same thing, we will keep providing the truth.
The truth is Paul was replaced, but you can't accept that.

Paul did not change eye color. His eyes were and are hazel.
Sigh... Faul's eyes are green. What part of green don't you understand? Are you color blind on top of not having a good eye for detail?

As we have demonstrated over and over with multiple sources backing us up, hazel eyes can shift in color from brown to gray to green depending on the surroundings.
Paul's eyes NEVER looked green. Faul's eyes look green frequently.

My wife and son have hazel eyes. Sometimes they look brown, sometimes GREEN. I look into them every day.
I have green eyes. They never look hazel. I think you're just color-challenged.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Really? The same guy? LOLOL! :p Some people will believe ANYTHING :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/WlarusGirl/61hof.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/IM15.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

This is supposed to be Paul? LOL :p Hard to imagine girls going nuts over that. Yeek. :-P

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/Cavern61/pid_on_magazine_p05aaa.jpg

This was Paul

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/lilis456/28a.jpg

[formosan termite]

Sigh... Faul's eyes are green. What part of green don't you understand? Are you color blind on top of not having a good eye for detail?

What part of hazel don't you understand? I have linked to several sites that show that hazel eyes can look brown or green. One link showing this is from the Stanford School of Medicine. I think I will go with Stanford over you.


Paul's eyes NEVER looked green. Faul's eyes look green frequently.

Baloney. We have showed Paul's eyes looking green many times. And we have shown many pictures of post 66 Paul's eyes looking brown. The problem is you only show the pictures that support your claim. We show both.


I have green eyes. They never look hazel. I think you're just color-challenged. Well that is because you have green eyes and not hazel. My wife and son do not have green eyes, they have hazel. And as has been documented on many sites linked to here, hazel eyes can look either brown or green. I look into hazel eyes every day. Not green. Hazel. Sometimes they look brown, sometimes green.

But don't take my word for it, see below:


If you are one of those lucky people that have hazel eyes, you can change the look of them as fast as you can apply new makeup. All of the colors that are contained in your peepers can be brought out, one by one, with a few makeup tips for changing your hazel eyes.

http://www.essortment.com/all/makeuphazeleye_tuyd.htm

Hazel
This iris shows a mixture of brown, green, and amber colors.

Hazel eyes are due to a combination of Rayleigh scattering and a moderate amount of melanin in the iris' anterior border layer.[7][25] Hazel eyes often appear to shift in color from a light brown to a dark golden-green. A number of studies using three-point scales have assigned hazel to be the medium-color between the lightest shade of blue and darkest shade of brown. Hazel mostly consists of Brown and Green. The dominant color in the eye can either be green or light brown/gold.[47][48][49][50][51][52][53] This can sometimes produce a multicolored iris, i.e., an eye that is light brown near the pupil and charcoal or amber/dark green on the outer part of the iris (and vice versa) when observed in sunlight. Hazel is commonly found in Europe, the Middle East, Americas, Central Asia and parts of South Asia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_color#Hazel

[faulconandsnowjob]

Oh, yeah, these eyes look sooo green. :p

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/Beatle_Paul_6.jpg

They don't even look hazel.

[pinkfreud]

Yes, like calling someone faulconpoop.

David has stated that the evidence for Paul's death and replacement is "compelling". I am sure that he wouldn't appreciate people coming to his forum just to stop(or attempt to stop) someone from discussing that as a subject. Many or most of the regular posters on this thread with the opposing view are doing just that and they do not post anything else(or very little) on this forum. In fact, these same people have little respect for David's work and consider him a nut like many of his critics.


Seems that if there is to be a discussion, that both sides of an issue should be allowed. We are not here to stop this from being discussed. We love it being discussed. We just want to make sure the PIA side is presented.

Faulconjob (and that is not name calling, that is just to shorten it because "faulconandsnowjob" is so long) has told PIA people here to Shut the F*ck Up. Is that nice? Is that civil? Is that allowing discussion? No.

Does name calling apply to being called stupid, or being falsely accused of being paid disinformation agents? I hope the request to be civil is directed at both sides here.

our issue is not with people debating about a subject- and no, 'faulconjob' is not name calling by any means, FT- but 'faulconpoop' is. and i request people here to stop calling others 'disinfo agents' and the like at the drop of a hat as well.

my thread note was posted merely to ask people to stop that. we are always open to members disagreeing with one other and having opposing views, but within the guidelines :)

[faulconandsnowjob]

Another picture of the weak-chinned wonder. Derrrrr :-P

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/DR1004_Paul_McCARTNEY_6.jpg

Definitely not a weak chin on Paul

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/Beatle_Paul_7.jpg

[formosan termite]

Oh, yeah, these eyes look sooo green. :p

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/Beatle_Paul_6.jpg

They don't even look hazel.


Geez. Pau's eyes are hazel. That means they are sometimes brown and sometimes green.

So, no, I am not surprised you can find many pictures where the eyes look brown. That is to be expected. The fact that you post a picture of Paul with brown eyes proves nothing.

Also, as we have shown and demonstrated, lighting, lens type, camera angle and facial expressions can make people look different in different photos. The fact that you can find pictures taken years apart with different facial expressions at different angles, in different lighting conditions in which Paul appears different also is no surprise. My driver's license pictures never look like me or any other photos of me. My boss's work ID picture looks horrible. Nothing like him. It happens.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Like it or not, some people are going to be able to tell that this guy

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/0a2416ec.jpg

ain't this guy

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/DR1001_Paul_McCARTNEY_6.jpg

But I understand that you have to try to convince them otherwise.

[formosan termite]

our issue is not with people debating about a subject- and no, 'faulconjob' is not name calling by any means, FT- but 'faulconpoop' is. and i request people here to stop calling others 'disinfo agents' and the like at the drop of a hat as well.

my thread note was posted merely to ask people to stop that. we are always open to members disagreeing with one other and having opposing views, but within the guidelines :)

Thank you. That is quite reasonable.

Have a pleasant evening.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Oh, look. Here's a pic where his eyes look kind of hazel.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/Paul296-1.jpg

Still not *green,* though

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/1973_JPMShow_03.jpg

[dream9]

Oh, look. Here's a pic where his eyes look kind of hazel.



That's from the reefer.

But no matter how much he smoked his eyes never turned green.:D

[formosan termite]

Like it or not, some people are going to be able to tell that this guy

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/0a2416ec.jpg

ain't this guy

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/DR1001_Paul_McCARTNEY_6.jpg

But I understand that you have to try to convince them otherwise.

Yes, if you compare one photo in which Paul is made up with a different hair style and is dressed in funny clothes with Paul with a completely different hair style, no mustache and wearing a Beatle suit, I guess they would look different.

[formosan termite]

Oh, look. Here's a pic where his eyes look kind of hazel.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/Paul296-1.jpg

Still not *green,* though

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/1973_JPMShow_03.jpg

Yes, Paul was very popular and had a career of over 40 years. There are hundreds of thousands of pictures of Paul. You can probably post tens of thousands of photos of him with his eyes looking brown. That doesn't mean they weren't hazel. After all, Paul himself, in 1965, said they were hazel. It also doesn't mean his eyes could not look green.

[formosan termite]

And, faulcon, I just wanted to highlight this for you.

and i request people here to stop calling others 'disinfo agents' and the like at the drop of a hat as well.

[theenlightenedone]

Aw, poor baby. Did you get banned from a forum for being a troll/disinfo agent? *sniff* :D lol

That was very unecessary.

Once again you feel strong putting other people down.

Pathetic.

Here.

Let me spell for you.

In case you don't understand.

P

A

T

H

E

T

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See?

I can use adult word too! LOL!

[formosan termite]

Aw, poor baby. Did you get banned from a forum for being a troll/disinfo agent? *sniff* :D lol

and i request people here to stop calling others 'disinfo agents' and the like at the drop of a hat as well.

Please note.

[dream9]

Pathetic.

Here.

Let me spell for you.

In case you don't understand.

P

A

T

H

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T

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C





The mod just said to stop name calling.:confused:

[faulconandsnowjob]

Please note.

In this case, we know Fireman made an appeal on Macca Fun House to have his little buddies come post here w/ the specific intent of derailing & disrupting the threads & suppressing the truth. Call it what you want. I think "disinfo agent" is appropriate.

[theenlightenedone]

The mod just said to stop name calling.:confused:

I stop when Faulcon stop calling me "Pathetic" and "Loser" and "Dis-info agent"

[faulconandsnowjob]

When you stop lying & posting disinfo, then I'll be glad to stop :D

[formosan termite]

The mod just said to stop name calling.:confused:


Faulcon is the one always calling us pathetic. It was never said to stop using that word, and I don't see why faulcon would have to stop using it.

It was requested to stop using "disinfo agent." Someone does not seem to be adhering to that request.

[theenlightenedone]

When you stop lying & posting disinfo, then I'll be glad to stop :D

Please.

When you provide evidence that I'm dis-info.

I'll stop post here.

You'd think Illuminati hire someone else than me to dis-info?

I don't even know language full.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkfreud
and i request people here to stop calling others 'disinfo agents' and the like at the drop of a hat as well.
I'm not calling anyone a disinfo agent "at the drop of a hat." I happen to know for a fact that formosan_termite & theenlightenedone are posting here for the specific purpose of derailing the threads & suppressing the truth.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Please.


I don't even know language full.

Huh? I don't even know what language you're speaking.

[theenlightenedone]

Huh? I don't even know what language you're speaking.

Same here.

What IS that you speak Faulcon?

Loon-ish?

[theenlightenedone]

I'm not calling anyone a disinfo agent "at the drop of a hat." I happen to know for a fact that formosan_termite & theenlightenedone are posting here for the specific purpose of derailing the threads & suppressing the truth.

Yeah.

You sure know alot.

Ms.Lawyer.

[formosan termite]

In this case, we know Fireman made an appeal on Macca Fun House to have his little buddies come post here w/ the specific intent of derailing & disrupting the threads & suppressing the truth. Call it what you want. I think "disinfo agent" is appropriate.

No. Fireman did not make such an appeal. I found this through the comment area on the Wired magazine article. Faulcon pointed to the PID miss him forum and I found my way here though that.

Ah, but there is a place where an appeal to come here was made.

Here on Sun King's TKIN forum:

http://60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=document&action=display&thread=3220&page=1

There is a real call to come to the Icke forum and sign up.

[faulconandsnowjob]

No. Fireman did not make such an appeal.
Liar. I saw the thread myself. We wouldn't want the truth to come out, now would we?

[faulconandsnowjob]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/blueeyes3.jpg

[dream9]

What IS that you speak Faulcon?

Loon-ish?



Another insult that shouldn't be ignored.

[theenlightenedone]

Another insult that shouldn't be ignored.

She made fun of my english.

Not very nice.

English not my normal speak.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Another insult that shouldn't be ignored.

Oh, it hasn't.

[faulconandsnowjob]

She made fun of my english.

Not very nice.

English not my normal speak.
You don't say

I really have no respect for people who can dish out insults but can't take them. Poor little cry baby :-P Wah!

[faulconandsnowjob]

different eye color

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/PaulBill20years.jpg

[formosan termite]

I'm not calling anyone a disinfo agent "at the drop of a hat." I happen to know for a fact that formosan_termite & theenlightenedone are posting here for the specific purpose of derailing the threads & suppressing the truth.


Yes you are. Anyone who disagrees with your posts is called a disinfo agent.

I have been very open and honest about who I am and my background. I am not here to suppress the truth, I am here to proclaim it. Just because I disagree with you doesn't make me a disinfo agent. You happen to know for a fact? Prove it.

The name of this thread is "Is Paul really dead?" That is an open question. It seems to me that the answer to that question could be "no". With it being an open question, "Is Paul really dead?", it seems to me that people believing Paul to be alive are just as welcome to participate in this thread as those who believe him to be dead. And those honestly believing him to be alive have the right to express and defend their position without being called "disinfo agents."

[faulconandsnowjob]

I have been very open and honest about who I am and my background.
Yeah, right. We know who you are. You were recruited from Macca's Fun House (childish name, btw) to come here & disrupt & derail these threads. The truth is Paul was replaced. No amount of evidence would ever convince you, b/c you're not interested in the truth.

[theenlightenedone]

You don't say

I really have no respect for people who can dish out insults but can't take them. Poor little cry baby :-P Wah!

See?

Now you make fun of my speak again.

It's all insults with you.

Why I bother?

I join up for discussion.

But you can't discuss.

You only insult and ignore our posts.

You should look at both sides of evidence.

Not just PID and ignore everything else.

Holding hands over ears shouting "LA LA LA LA"

[formosan termite]

Liar. I saw the thread myself. We wouldn't want the truth to come out, now would we?

Stop calling me a liar.

I saw no such thread. I did see the one on TKIN trying to get pidders to sign up here. I posted the link.

If fireman did, I was unaware. I saw your posts on the comment section of the Wired magazine article. I traced you here from that. That is the truth, like it or not.

[theenlightenedone]

Macca's Fun House (childish name, btw)

PID MISS HIM

Much better.

CAPS LOCK make everything cool.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Oh, what do we have here... more NOT GREEN eyes on Paul:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/browneyes.jpg

Now, isn't that just the most peculiar thing you ever did see? A man's eyes change from brown to green?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/1973_JPMShow_03.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

PID MISS HIM

Much better.

CAPS LOCK make everything cool.

LOL! Macca's Fun House sounds just like what it is - a place for clowns & children :p

[theenlightenedone]

Stop calling me a liar.

I saw no such thread. I did see the one on TKIN trying to get pidders to sign up here. I posted the link.

If fireman did, I was unaware. I saw your posts on the comment section of the Wired magazine article. I traced you here from that. That is the truth, like it or not.

All I see on MFH thread is diabolo writing.

Anyway, all MFH members should feel free to join up there


Followed by cheesy smiley.

Sounds alot like he's "recruiting"

Not.

[formosan termite]

Yeah, right. We know who you are. You were recruited from Macca's Fun House (childish name, btw) to come here & disrupt & derail these threads.

That is not correct. I have stated what brought me here. It was your posts on the comment section of the Wired magazine article. Words can not express how little I care as to your opinion of the name of our forum.

[faulconandsnowjob]

See?

Now you make fun of my speak again.

It's all insults with you.

Cry baby can dish it out, but he just can't take it. Wah! Wah! :p

Why I bother?
You bother b/c you're active on MFH, & you don't want the truth to come out.

I join up for discussion.
And insulting people who don't agree w/ you

[faulconandsnowjob]

Stop calling me a liar.
Fine. Stop lying & I'll stop calling you a liar. Fair enough?

I saw no such thread.
Well, I did.

[formosan termite]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/blueeyes3.jpg

Note hair pointing the same way from left to right.

[formosan termite]

different eye color

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/PaulBill20years.jpg

Note hair pointing the same way from left to right.

And yes, as stated, since Paul has hazel eyes, they can sometimes look green and sometimes brown. So it is no surprise that you can find some photos showing green and some showing brown. That is to be expected.

[theenlightenedone]

Cry baby can dish it out, but he just can't take it. Wah! Wah! :p

Further proof that you can't discuss anything.

So if I don't like being insulted that means I'm a baby?

So if someone calls you idiot and you don't like it that mean you a baby?

I guess you don't have that little detail that most people have.

Heart.

You bother b/c you're active on MFH, & you don't want the truth to come out.


Listen.

I've been PID.

I disliked MFH and PIA.

But I realise PID stupid.

And now I'm PIA.

I've seen both sides.

Been there.

Done that.

I've not always been defender of PIA.

I've been at your side Faulcon.

PID was truth then.

But now PIA truth.

I was fooled by lies and manipulated photos.

PID always insults.

Will always be.

And insulting people who don't agree w/ you

You do the exact same.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Note hair pointing the same way from left to right.

Are you kidding me? Note how the eyes are completely different colors :p

[faulconandsnowjob]

Note hair pointing the same way from left to right.


Note how Faul has a horse face :p

[formosan termite]

Now, isn't that just the most peculiar thing you ever did see? A man's eyes change from brown to green?




No. It is very common with hazel eyes.

Hazel
This iris shows a mixture of brown, green, and amber colors.

Hazel eyes are due to a combination of Rayleigh scattering and a moderate amount of melanin in the iris' anterior border layer.[7][25] Hazel eyes often appear to shift in color from a light brown to a dark golden-green. A number of studies using three-point scales have assigned hazel to be the medium-color between the lightest shade of blue and darkest shade of brown. Hazel mostly consists of Brown and Green. The dominant color in the eye can either be green or light brown/gold.[47][48][49][50][51][52][53] This can sometimes produce a multicolored iris, i.e., an eye that is light brown near the pupil and charcoal or amber/dark green on the outer part of the iris (and vice versa) when observed in sunlight. Hazel is commonly found in Europe, the Middle East, Americas, Central Asia and parts of South Asia.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_color#Hazel

I have hazel eyes so depending on my outfit, etc. they are either light green or a soft light yellow-brown. I used to hate the color of my eyes and always wore green-colored contacts because everyone in my immediate family had true green eyes but me. I have learned to like them, but still mark "green" on my driver's liscense just because I can and, hell, sometimes it's the truth. :)

[faulconandsnowjob]

So if I don't like being insulted that means I'm a baby?
No, you're a baby b/c you like to insult other people, but you can't take it if someone insults you back.

So if someone calls you idiot and you don't like it that mean you a baby?
If you call someone an idiot & they call you an idiot & you go of crying, you're a baby.

I guess you don't have that little detail that most people have.

Heart.
I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.

But I realise PID stupid.
Yeah, it's really stupid, except ALL the evidence supports the fact that Paul was replaced.

And now I'm PIA.
Then now you're wrong. Sorry.

I've seen both sides.
I used to believe the lie that Faul is Paul. He wasn't. Why do you keep believing a lie?

I was fooled by lies and manipulated photos.
You're being fooled now. People don't change eye color, grow 2 inches, & change his facial features in his mid-20's.

PID always insults.
LOL! People should try reading MFH if they want to see insults.

[formosan termite]

Are you kidding me? Note how the eyes are completely different colors :p

Yes. Since Paul has hazel eyes, they can appear to be different colors in different photos.

I don't know if you know this, but hazel eyes can shift in color from brown to green. Let me give you some information on that:

Hazel
This iris shows a mixture of brown, green, and amber colors.

Hazel eyes are due to a combination of Rayleigh scattering and a moderate amount of melanin in the iris' anterior border layer.[7][25] Hazel eyes often appear to shift in color from a light brown to a dark golden-green. A number of studies using three-point scales have assigned hazel to be the medium-color between the lightest shade of blue and darkest shade of brown. Hazel mostly consists of Brown and Green. The dominant color in the eye can either be green or light brown/gold.[47][48][49][50][51][52][53] This can sometimes produce a multicolored iris, i.e., an eye that is light brown near the pupil and charcoal or amber/dark green on the outer part of the iris (and vice versa) when observed in sunlight. Hazel is commonly found in Europe, the Middle East, Americas, Central Asia and parts of South Asia.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_color#Hazel

[faulconandsnowjob]

Yes. Since Paul has hazel eyes, they can appear to be different colors in different photos.

I don't know if you know this, but hazel eyes can shift in color from brown to green. Let me give you some information on that:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_color#Hazel
Why don't you show me ONE picture of Paul w/ green eyes? I bet you can't.

[formosan termite]

Note how Faul has a horse face :p

Yes, different type camera lenses can distort the face. Especially in close-ups.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Here's the deal. It's been proven by science Paul was replaced. I'm sorry if you can't accept that, but it's the truth.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/Western2aaa.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/IM15.jpg

[formosan termite]

Why don't you show me ONE picture of Paul w/ green eyes? I bet you can't.


It has already been done. You wouldn't acknowledge it then, why woud you now? Please read all posts, as Sun King says.

[theenlightenedone]

Why don't you show me ONE picture of Paul w/ green eyes? I bet you can't.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7500/brrrrr.gif

Hurr hurr.

[faulconandsnowjob]

It has already been done. You wouldn't acknowledge it then, why woud you now? Please read all posts, as Sun King says.

Actually, the pictures of the green eyes are of Faul. I have yet to see a pic of Paul w/ green eyes.

[formosan termite]

Here's the deal. It's been proven by science Paul was replaced. I'm sorry if you can't accept that, but it's the truth.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/Western2aaa.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/IM15.jpg

Here's the deal. That Wired magazine article has been proven to be a fraud. It has been shown that the photos came from Sun King's PID website and was thus biased and tainted from the start. Go back and see my post on the scientific method and answer the questions there.

http://maccafunhouse.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=essentials&action=display&thread=3860

[theenlightenedone]

Actually, the pictures of the green eyes are of Faul. I have yet to see a pic of Paul w/ green eyes.

^

[faulconandsnowjob]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/JPM/tryingonshirt.jpghttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/pid_on_magazine_p4aaa.jpg

[formosan termite]

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7500/brrrrr.gif

Hurr hurr.

That's pre 67 Paul.

[theenlightenedone]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/JPM/tryingonshirt.jpghttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/pid_on_magazine_p4aaa.jpg

Just gonna ignore green eyed "Paul"?

As usual.

[theenlightenedone]

That's pre 67 Paul.

She wanted to see pic of PAUL with green eyes.

I assume she meantt REAL PAUL.

[faulconandsnowjob]

That Wired magazine article has been proven to be a fraud.
LOL! By some dumb kids on MFH? Nice try. :rolleyes:

It has been shown that the photos came from Sun King's PID website and was thus biased and tainted from the start.
Oh, has it? And how do you "know" that? And so what if they did? They're still pictures of Paul & Faul.

Go back and see my post on the scientific method and answer the questions there.
Why don't you show me your scientific credentials, b/c otherwise, your opinion isn't worth much.

[strt]

Please keep conversation polite.

[formosan termite]

She wanted to see pic of PAUL with green eyes.

I assume she meantt REAL PAUL.

Based on her standards, you can't win. Any picture you post of Paul with green eyes, she will say it is Faul.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Here are some green eyes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/greeneyesStrawberryFields.jpg

They're Faul's, btw.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Based on her standards, you can't win. Any picture you post of Paul with green eyes, she will say it is Faul.

I only say pictures of Faul are Faul. I can tell the difference btw Paul & Faul.

[theenlightenedone]

I only say pictures of Faul are Faul. I can tell the difference btw Paul & Faul.

Then explain.

Why does THIS pic of REAL PAUL:

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7500/brrrrr.gif

Have green eyes when Paul had hazel?

[faulconandsnowjob]

Definitely not necessary to do a biometrical analysis to see that this isn't the same person

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/JPM/paulringoear.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/Faulagain.jpg

[theenlightenedone]

I thought so.

You COMPLETELY ignore my post.

When I argue, you reply.

But when I post proof, you ignore.

Good work Faulcon.

[formosan termite]

LOL! By some dumb kids on MFH? Nice try. :rolleyes:


That is not polite.

Oh, has it? And how do you "know" that? And so what if they did? They're still pictures of Paul & Faul. We have shown the link to Sun King's web site and shown the exact same comps. So what if they did? If you are a scientist you are going to use clean untainted data. If you use only photos from a biased source, you results are tainted. Sun King has been known to stretch and flip photos.


Why don't you show me your scientific credentials, b/c otherwise, your opinion isn't worth much.

Where are your scientific credentials? I was a science major in college. I know the scientific method. I made a detailed post about it tonight.

Answer this. If People Magazine did an article that claimed Paul is alive and used as its basis photos only from Maccafunhouse, would you accept the magazines conclusion? I wouldn't. Scientists would not use test data from a biased source over which they had no control.

[faulconandsnowjob]

You COMPLETELY ignore my post.
Maybe you should try posting something worth commenting on :D

Totally different facial shapes

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/WlarusGirl/sbscomparison28zr.gif

[dedesuperman]

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7500/brrrrr.gif

Hurr hurr.

Hi theenlightenedone, ok I already saw this picture before I believe that formosan termite would also have shown it, but what it is possible that it is the reflection that goes circa his eyes and that would give the green color aspect but we would say that it is a green ocher tone?
Is it possible that Paul would have some hazel eyes in the tone of the dark brown but unusually not green? It is only an idea

[theenlightenedone]

Maybe you should try posting something worth commenting on :D

Totally different facial shapes

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/WlarusGirl/sbscomparison28zr.gif

You ask for PAUL with green eyes.

I give you what you wanted.

And then.

You ignore

[formosan termite]

Here are some green eyes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/greeneyesStrawberryFields.jpg

They're Faul's, btw.

Yep. As demonstrated and documented here hundreds of times, hazel eyes can look green especially in a lot of light. Big deal.

[faulconandsnowjob]

That is not polite.
Oh, that's rich coming from someone who has insulted me ever since he started posting here.

We have shown the link to Sun King's web site and shown the exact same comps. So what if they did? If you are a scientist you are going to use clean untainted data. If you use only photos from a biased source, you results are tainted. Sun King has been known to stretch and flip photos.
You have no idea where the scientists got their photos. You're just trying to discredit them in any way you can. :p

Where are your scientific credentials? I was a science major in college. I know the scientific method.
I'm not the one claiming to know more about forensic science than experts. Unless you have a doctorate, your opinion doesn't carry much weight when compared w/ an expert's opinion. Sorry, but that's the harsh reality.

[theenlightenedone]

I post again.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7500/brrrrr.gif

Paul PRE-67 with green eyes.

Explain this.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Paul 1965 v Faul 1967
Notice how Paul did not have BUG eyes :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/WlarusGirl/paulski2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/WlarusGirl/early_faul.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

I post again.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7500/brrrrr.gif

Paul PRE-67 with green eyes.

Explain this.

Oh, that was supposed to be green? :p

Why don't you explain how Paul's facial features could have changed so much?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/JPM/salsplainswall.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/malevans08.jpg

[theenlightenedone]

Bad comps.

As usual.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Not even close

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/WlarusGirl/profiles.jpg

[dream9]

Statements made by members of maccafunhouse regarding this discussion on a thread titled "PID on the Icke Forum":


Those pid people think it's time to spread the word to a wider audience. So where have they gone? To a place populated by people who think Prince Charles is a shapeshifting lizard, that's where. Good move.

Anyway four or five threads have suddenly appeared on there - instigated by people from TKIN it seems.

Behold one of them...http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=474089#post474089 -posted by everything is real


How appropriate, considering David Icke is the guy who believes that all major leaders in the world are shape-shifting Reptilians. I can't think of a better location to spread the PID word than an Icke forum. Sounds kind of icky. ;D - posted by nightbazaar


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...Now back to David Yicky. Or is it Yucky? - posted by Miss Vaggie(aka ET Girl)

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I just spent (Yesterday) a couple of hours reading through one PID thread on the David Yucky forum... seriously, there's just little help for these people..... - posted by Miss Vaggie(aka ET Girl)

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Hey everybody,

i cordially invite all the members of the maccafunhouse, to join the fun over here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=827083#post827083

Come over and post all the good PIA stuff!

Sincerly,
Diabolo1 - posted by Diabolo1


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AAARRRGGGHH!!!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8100&page=149

>:(

I know, i just shouldn't go there, but sometimes the "proof them wrong bug" bites me too hard! ::)

They are soo annoying! It's NIR all over again. No, it's much worse! ???#

*sigh*
- posted by Diabolo1

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Who is fireman? He's kind of fighting alone. He could use some help.

So Faulcompoop has drunk from the bucket of truth and has faulen for the Pauline story? That should just about destroy any credibility he had over there.... - posted by TheBug

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I see a brand new member over there (theenlightendone). Is that someone from here? - posted by The Bug




TheBug©® wrote:
I see a brand new member over there (theenlightendone). Is that someone from here?

Yeah taht guy is SUPER COOL. You should really hang out with him 8-) - posted by mumrikusstarr2

Are you sure you're not a liar theenlightenedone?

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btw

I added a link to the Icke forum on the OP of the "PIA Essential Links" board. - posted by TheBug

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Genius. Pure genius.

Should I be bad and post at Icke? :-/ - posted by TheBug

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I see Fraudcompoop is at it heavy on Icke tonight.

She is saying that Paul never had green eyes in any pictures.

Can we prove that wrong? - posted by TheBug



I don't know. Maybe Formosan and Socrates can ;) enlightnedone is just there for fun, I believe - posted by mumrikusstarr2





link: http://maccafunhouse.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=gossip&action=display&thread=3269&page=1

[theenlightenedone]

All right, It's been fun and all maybe time to come clean :D I've been doing all this Icke PID arguments for fun :D But never did I lie, I only chose to use less advanced english. English is not my first tounge, it's actually swedish. But now maybe I'll start posting normally? :cool::D

[formosan termite]

Oh, that's rich coming from someone who has insulted me ever since he started posting here.

There was a warning from the mod after your post about being polite. I have headed the mods. I have not called you names, I have not called you stupid or called you a disinfo agent. I am merely stating my positions.


[auoteYou have no idea where the scientists got their photos. You're just trying to discredit them in any way you can. :p[/quote]

Oh come on. They are the exact same shots cropped in the same exact manner. That has been clearly shown. The chances that scientists would randomly choose the exact same photos for the exact same comps as Sun King happened to use, given the tens of thousands of photos that could have been used taken over a 40+year stretch is astronomical. If you said there were just 5,000 photos to choose to compare the teeth, the odds that both Sun King and the scientists would choose the same two would be 1/24,995,000. If you combine that with the chances of using the same ear photos, granting only 5,000 possibilities the odds become 1/624,750,025,000,000. And there are a lot more than 5,000 possible especially when you consider stills from all of the movies and videos.


[auote]I'm not the one claiming to know more about forensic science than experts. Unless you have a doctorate, your opinion doesn't carry much weight when compared w/ an expert's opinion. Sorry, but that's the harsh reality.[/QUOTE]

I'm not claiming to know more. But I don't have to be a pro quarterback to know when Peyton Manning throws a bad pass. I don't need to be a dentist to know that a dentist botched my filling.

I have had scientific training and I can see when the scientific method is not followed.

And again, even the scientists stated that what they did proved nothing either way.

[theenlightenedone]

Look carefully between these 2 pictures don't you see difference of facial feature?

Personally I see that Paul's facial feature is round compared to the one of Faul is elongated. In this case I see one and you?

Yes in the pictures that Faulcon posts you can see differences, but in all other "Faul" pictures that aren't low quality or at a strange angle it's clearly Paul :p Sorry.

[dedesuperman]

Yes in the pictures that Faulcon posts you can see differences, but in all other "Faul" pictures that aren't low quality or at a strange angle it's clearly Paul :p Sorry.

Sorry I just erase my post because I make a mistake I didn't choose the good post with the pictures.

Maybe you have time to read before I erase. Sorry!

[faulconandsnowjob]

Statements made by members of maccafunhouse regarding this discussion on a thread titled "PID on the Icke Forum":


Those pid people think it's time to spread the word to a wider audience. So where have they gone? To a place populated by people who think Prince Charles is a shapeshifting lizard, that's where. Good move.
...

How appropriate, considering David Icke is the guy who believes that all major leaders in the world are shape-shifting Reptilians. I can't think of a better location to spread the PID word than an Icke forum. Sounds kind of icky. ;D - posted by nightbazaar

So, now we know how they really feel about David Icke & the people who post on this forum.

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...Now back to David Yicky. Or is it Yucky?[/COLOR] - posted by Miss Vaggie(aka ET Girl)

I just spent (Yesterday) a couple of hours reading through one PID thread on the David Yucky forum... seriously, there's just little help for these people..... [/COLOR] - posted by Miss Vaggie(aka ET Girl)

Isn't that nice. I happen to have a lot of respect for David Icke. That's why I post here. I wonder what their motivation is for posting on this forum?

Hey everybody,

i cordially invite all the members of the maccafunhouse, to join the fun over here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=827083#post827083

Come over and post all the good PIA stuff!

Sincerly,
Diabolo1[/I][/COLOR] - posted by Diabolo1


Kind of looks like someone was looking for recruits to me :p



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Who is fireman? He's kind of fighting alone. He could use some help.
Isn't that nice how they team up to help each other suppress the truth?

So Faulcompoop has drunk from the bucket of truth and has faulen for the Pauline story? That should just about destroy any credibility he (sic) had over there.... - posted by TheBug
Yeah, they're just so nice & polite at MFH. They would *never* insult anyone.

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TheBug©® wrote:
I see a brand new member over there (theenlightendone). Is that someone from here?

Yeah taht guy is SUPER COOL. You should really hang out with him 8-) - posted by mumrikusstarr2

Are you sure you're not a liar theenlightenedone?
Yeah, theenlightenedone is just an open-minded, objective person checking out PID. :p

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btw

I added a link to the Icke forum on the OP of the "PIA Essential Links" board. - posted by[/COLOR] TheBug

Genius. Pure genius.

Should I be bad and post at Icke? :-/ - posted by TheBug
Yeah, really nice how they get recruits to come & disrupt these threads. Wouldn't want anyone to see the truth, now would we?

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I see Fraudcompoop is at it heavy on Icke tonight.

She is saying that Paul never had green eyes in any pictures.

Can we prove that wrong? [/COLOR] - posted by TheBug

I don't know. Maybe Formosan and Socrates can ;) enlightnedone is just there for fun, I believe[/COLOR] - posted by mumrikusstarr2.......
LOL! Obviously, they can't, but they sure do try :p

[dream9]

The fact is that if you look though this entire thread when faulcon was posting here she basically ignored most of the insults from you guys. But has only resulted to returning those insults as of late. It's only natural, let me give you an example:


If you and I are in a boxing match and the bell rings and I come out and start kicking, then you have a right to claim that I am a cheater and have broken the rules. But if we come out to box and you begin kicking me first, then surely I have a logical right to break the rules and kick you back!

[faulconandsnowjob]

All right, It's been fun and all maybe time to come clean :D I've been doing all this Icke PID arguments for fun :D
That's why I said you were liars.

But never did I lie...
lol right, except you did :p

[theenlightenedone]

Ok I have an idea.
Let's try to do as the mods say.
Let's TRY to have a discussion without insults or namecalling.
I apologise for what I've said and done.
I hope everyone else can do the same.

[theenlightenedone]

That's why I said you were liars.


lol right, except you did :p

Ok MAYBE I did :p But forget about that now :cool:

[formosan termite]

Look carefully between these 2 pictures don't you see difference of facial feature?

Personally I see that Paul's facial feature is round compared to the one of Faul is elongated. In this case I see one and you?

I have no doubt in the world that you see differences. So do I.

The issue is determining the reason for those differences. I have done a lot of research into the affect of lens types. Different types of lenses can greatley distort the face. Especially close up. I have shown photos of the same person taken from the same angle in the same lighting conditions taken only seconds apart and the facial features look completely different. In one shot the ears stick out, but in another, the ears almost completely disappear. And that is just the lens difference. You are looking at pictures taken maybe 10 to 20 years apart under different lighting conditions. You have no idea what type of lens was used in each picture. Add to that, the face is not hard bone or carved in stone. It is soft tissue and cartilage. Facial expressions can distort things. You also have to factor in age, drug use, stress, alcohol and cigarette use. All of these things can change appearance. That is why at MFH, we try to compare many many different photos, and do comparisons using similar camera angles and facial expressions.

Please look at the work we have done. Don't igore the PID sources. Looking at all data is important.

[faulconandsnowjob]

There was a warning from the mod after your post about being polite. I have headed the mods.
Just so you know, the mods are watching these threads b/c I've been reporting all the rude posts you people have been making. Keep on insulting me. I'd love to see you get banned.

Oh come on. They are the exact same shots cropped in the same exact manner. That has been clearly shown. The chances that scientists would randomly choose the exact same photos for the exact same comps as Sun King happened to use, given the tens of thousands of photos that could have been used taken over a 40+year stretch is astronomical.
You know what's truly astronomical? The chances that a person would change eye color, grow 2+ inches, & change his facial features in his mid 20's. Now that is just a little too much to swallow.

I'm not claiming to know more.
You are claiming that the scientific studies are somehow inadequate, but you don't have a scientific leg to stand on.

I have had scientific training and I can see when the scientific method is not followed.
an undergraduate degree in some random science does not an expert make.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Ok MAYBE I did :p But forget about that now :cool:

You've lost all credibility.

[theenlightenedone]

Faulcon wrote:

Wouldn't want anyone to see the truth, now would we?

Yeah, maybe that's why we provide links to all the PID sites on the net and look at thier "evidence" All you guys do is ignore ours.

[formosan termite]

The fact is that if you look though this entire thread when faulcon was posting here she basically ignored most of the insults from you guys. But has only resulted to returning those insults as of late. It's only natural, let me give you an example:



Like when she told us to Shut the F*ck up?
That was before i even joined.

[theenlightenedone]

You've lost all credibility.

Guess what? So have you, ages ago.

:D

[dream9]

All you guys do is ignore ours.


LOL. Because it's not evidence.


.....

[faulconandsnowjob]

I have no doubt in the world that you see differences. So do I.
So, you admit to seeing differences? I guess you should retract all those things you said about people who could see differences being "stupid," "delusional," "ignorant," & whatever else you people say.

The issue is determining the reason for those differences.
It's simple. Paul was replaced.

I have done a lot of research into the affect of lens types.
Great. It doesn't explain the differences on the videos. It also doesn't explain the forensics, or the growth spurt.

You are looking at pictures taken maybe 10 to 20 years apart under different lighting conditions.
Then how do you explain how Paul looks completely different just 4 months apart? Aug - Dec 1966?

[dream9]

Like when she told us to Shut the F*ck up?
That was before i even joined.


Yeah maybe before you joined, but the insults came from the others from the PIA camp long before any from faulcon.


....

[faulconandsnowjob]

Guess what? So have you, ages ago.

:D

At least I don't lie, Liar. And now I CAN say it, b/c it's been proven, & you admitted it. :p

[theenlightenedone]

LOL. Because it's not evidence.


.....

Then what EXACTLY makes our posts not evidence and your's FULL LEGAL PROOFS? :confused: I would love to know. And how can you be so sure that our posts are bollocks if all you do is ignore them?

Oh of course...

You win...

BECAUSE OF SCIENCE!

:rolleyes:

[theenlightenedone]

At least I don't lie, Liar. And now I CAN say it, b/c it's been proven, & you admitted it. :p

Actually... now that I think about it. When did i lie? :confused: I might've used another persona but I don't actually think I lied. I told the truth when I said english wasn't my first tounge. If you can point out the post where I lied, I can agree with you.

[formosan termite]

So, now we know how they really feel about David Icke & the people who post on this forum.

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Isn't that nice. I happen to have a lot of respect for David Icke. That's why I post here. I wonder what their motivation is for posting on this forum?


Kind of looks like someone was looking for recruits to me :p



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Isn't that nice how they team up to help each other suppress the truth?


Yeah, they're just so nice & polite at MFH. They would *never* insult anyone.

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Yeah, theenlightenedone is just an open-minded, objective person checking out PID. :p

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Yeah, really nice how they get recruits to come & disrupt these threads. Wouldn't want anyone to see the truth, now would we?

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LOL! Obviously, they can't, but they sure do try :p

Obviously we can post what we want on our own forum.

On our PIA Essentials Links we link to PID and PIA sites. They are added as ones are found.

I did see above where someone invited others over here. This is a thread about PID and that is what we discuss. Is the PIA point of view not allowed here?

[dedesuperman]

So, now we know how they really feel about David Icke & the people who post on this forum.

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Isn't that nice. I happen to have a lot of respect for David Icke. That's why I post here. I wonder what they're motivation is for posting on this forum?


Kind of looks like someone was looking for recruits to me :p



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Isn't that nice how they team up to help each other suppress the truth?





Yeah, they're just so nice & polite at MFH. They would *never* insult anyone.

----------------------------------------------------------------------


Yeah, theenlightenedone is just an open-minded, objective person checking out PID. :p

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Yeah, really nice how they get recruits to come & disrupt these threads. Wouldn't want anyone to see the truth, now would we?

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LOL! Obviously, they can't, but they sure do try :p

This is not nice coming from a people who supposedly accept those that don't have the same point of view that PIA. We suppose to respect each others not to begin to laugh and to ridicule those that don't reflect the majority of the forum as MFH. Shame on you PIA. :mad:

Again I find that Paul's face is round before September 1966 while the one of Faul as on the album of Sgt. Peppers is elongated

[formosan termite]

Actually... now that I think about it. When did i lie? :confused: I might've used another persona but I don't actually think I lied. I told the truth when I said english wasn't my first tounge. If you can point out the post where I lied, I can agree with you.

No. I thought the same thing.

You are from Sweden, and English is not your language. You just typed in a different style. That is not a lie.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Then what EXACTLY makes our posts not evidence and your's FULL LEGAL PROOFS? :confused: I would love to know. And how can you be so sure that our posts are bollocks if all you do is ignore them?

Oh of course...

You win...

BECAUSE OF SCIENCE!

:rolleyes:
Oh, here we go. Not only do you people know more about science than forensic scientists, you also know more about the law than a lawyer :rolleyes: Give me a break.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Actually... now that I think about it. When did i lie? :confused: I might've used another persona but I don't actually think I lied. I told the truth when I said english wasn't my first tounge. If you can point out the post where I lied, I can agree with you.

I guess you didn't read the post Dream9 made from the MFH thread.

[theenlightenedone]

Oh, here we go. Not only do you people know more about science than forensic scientists, you also know more about the law than a lawyer :rolleyes: Give me a break.

WHERE in that posts did I claim i knew more about science and law? Please, point it out.

[theenlightenedone]

I guess you didn't read the post Dream9 made from the MFH thread.

I didn't lie. I just said that TEO (me, of course) seemed like a really cool guy. Is that a lie? No, I was just messing around. Never did I say "I'm not theenlightnedone I swear"

[faulconandsnowjob]

Obviously we can post what we want on our own forum.
Of course, you can. It's just not true that you don't insult people or recruit people to help you on these threads. It's disingenuous to post on the Icke forum considering how you people really feel about him & the people who post on this forum. You're here for only one reason: to derail the PID threads.

[formosan termite]

This is not nice coming from a people who supposedly accept those that don't have the same point of view that PIA. We suppose to respect each others not to begin to laugh and to ridicule those that don't reflect the majority of the forum as MFH. Shame on you PIA. :mad:

Again I find that Paul's face is round before September 1966 while the one of Faul as on the album of Sgt. Peppers is elongated

We have PID members at MFH, like Paul Bearer and Doc. The enlightenedone was PID who became a member. There are others. We get along with them well. Yes we pick on pidders on our website. We pick on each other. But when a PID person joins and wants to ask questions and engage in discussion we respect that and treat them kindly.


We are what we are. We don't hide it. People at NIR and TKIN have said a lot of nasty things about us on their forums. That's fine with us. they can say what they want in their own place.

[faulconandsnowjob]

This is not nice coming from a people who supposedly accept those that don't have the same point of view that PIA. We suppose to respect each others not to begin to laugh and to ridicule those that don't reflect the majority of the forum as MFH. Shame on you PIA. :mad:
No, it isn't nice, is it? I'm glad dream9 posted it so people could see what kind of people those PIA'ers are. And, of course, see how they feel about David Icke & the people on this forum. I guess it's not just the PID'ers who are "stupid" & "insane," but everyone who posts on this forum.

Again I find that Paul's face is round before September 1966 while the one of Faul as on the album of Sgt. Peppers is elongated
Yes, you are quite right. :)

[faulconandsnowjob]

I didn't lie. I just said that TEO (me, of course) seemed like a really cool guy. Is that a lie? No, I was just messing around. Never did I say "I'm not theenlightnedone I swear"

Nice try, but we're on to you.

[theenlightenedone]

We have PID members at MFH, like Paul Bearer and Doc. The enlightenedone was PID who became a member. There are others. We get along with them well. Yes we pick on pidders on our website. We pick on each other. But when a PID person joins and wants to ask questions and engage in discussion we respect that and treat them kindly.


We are what we are. We don't hide it. People at NIR and TKIN have said a lot of nasty things about us on their forums. That's fine with us. they can say what they want in their own place.

Right.
You make fun of me sometimes because I was a PIDer :p

[faulconandsnowjob]

We have PID members at MFH, like Paul Bearer and Doc. The enlightenedone was PID who became a member. There are others. We get along with them well. Yes we pick on pidders on our website. We pick on each other. But when a PID person joins and wants to ask questions and engage in discussion we respect that and treat them kindly.
That is not true. I know that for a fact.

[theenlightenedone]

Nice try, but we're on to you.

I'm shaking.

[faulconandsnowjob]

I'm shaking.

I'm so happy for you.

Yikes. This is just scary :eek:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/pf01.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/IM15.jpg

[theenlightenedone]

I'm so happy for you.

Yikes. This is just scary :eek:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/pf01.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/IM15.jpg

OMG!

That IS scary!

So is this:

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n20/khanmfh/fades/Paul651.gif

[formosan termite]

Of course, you can. It's just not true that you don't insult people or recruit people to help you on these threads. It's disingenuous to post on the Icke forum considering how you people really feel about him & the people who post on this forum. You're here for only one reason: to derail the PID threads.


We are here, yes because of the topic. I joined Apollohoax.com because they had a PID thread there. I had no interest in the other threads.

The title of this thread is "Is Paul really dead?" That is an open question. It seems to me that anyone with an interest in this topic would be welcome to post on it. Since it asks, "Is Paul really dead?" shouldn't the people who think the answer is "no" have a right to participate as well. I saw nothing in the rules that only people who believe PID are welcome.

I posted a link to TKIN where someone there was trying to recruit PID people from TKIN to come join over here. Was that wrong? I don't think so. Great. The more the merrier. I don't think there is anything sinister in trying to get your friends to join you on a topic you care about.

All I can say is, even though someone at MFH invited people here, I found faulcon on the comment section of the Wired magazine article. Faulcon put her name there and pointed to her forum. It worked. I followed her. Sorry if that makes me evil.

The PID people present their point of view. We should be allowed to present ours, as well.

[faulconandsnowjob]

I guess Paul had a series of extensive & painful surgeries to change his face :p

http://www.mybeatles.net/imagesmedia/beatles_talk.jpg
http://images.wolfgangsvault.com/images/catalog/detail/RS153-RS.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

The PID people present their point of view. We should be allowed to present ours, as well.

You should try doing that without the insults, if you can. Your signature is even rude.

Don't be gullible enough to fall for the PID Hoax.


Who's gullible? The ones who think a guy can change eye color, grow 2 inches, & rearrange his face at 24, or the ones who think he was replaced?

[theenlightenedone]

The ones who thing a guy can change eye color

Isn't it spelled "think" ? :cool:

[formosan termite]

That is not true. I know that for a fact.

It is true.

Why, did you join? Who were you?

There were a couple of pidders who joined who were not treated well. But they came and started posting nasty pictures and accusations about Paul being a pedophile. They also used foul language despite several warnings. For that they were banned. We have also banned a few PIAers for disruptive behavior.

But I like Paul Bearer, and Doc and the Latvian. They have been treated well.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Isn't it spelled "think" ? :cool:

So, you can notice details. Now see if you can tell how these guys aren't the same person.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/roundtheworld10.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/PaulMcCartney7521.jpg

[formosan termite]

I'm sorry, but I don't see that the face is completely different. We have hundreds of fades and comps showing that the shape is the same.

[theenlightenedone]

So, you can notice details

You pick on my spelling, I pick on yours.

Simple.

[faulconandsnowjob]

It is true.

... There were a couple of pidders who joined who were not treated well.

Why do you people always insist on lying?

[faulconandsnowjob]

I'm sorry, but I don't see that the face is completely different. We have hundreds of fades and comps showing that the shape is the same.

The shape isn't the same. The biometrical analysis proved that.

[formosan termite]

So, you can notice details. Now see if you can tell how these guys aren't the same person.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/Beatlesagain/roundtheworld10.jpg


Oh. I can see that. One's John, one's George, One's Ringo and the other is Paul.

[formosan termite]

The shape isn't the same. The biometrical analysis proved that.

But again, that analysis was a fraud based on biased data from Sun King's PID website.

[theenlightenedone]

The shape isn't the same. The biometrical analysis proved that.

The biometrical analysis proved that the "shape" wasn't the same in the few pictures they used. That's because things vary from picture to picture. They didn't test more than a couple of pics so they haven't proved the shape is different. They even said that they weren't sure themselves.

Read.

All.

Posts.

Even SunKing was wise enough to know that.

[faulconandsnowjob]

But again, that analysis was a fraud based on biased data from Sun King's PID website.

This coming from a non-scientist :rolleyes:

[faulconandsnowjob]

The biometrical analysis proved that the "shape" wasn't the same in the few pictures they used. That's because things vary from picture to picture. They didn't test more than a couple of pics so they haven't proved the shape is different. They even said that they weren't sure themselves.

Read.

All.

Posts.

Even SunKing was wise enough to know that.

You don't even know what their methodology was. That's just your layman's opinion, anyway, so who cares?

[faulconandsnowjob]

http://www.catanna.com/paulyoung.jpghttp://www.morethings.com/music/beatles/images/temp/rishikesh06.jpg

[formosan termite]

Why do you people always insist on lying?

I am not lying.

You say that, but you don't offer proof.

Paul Bearer takes part in a number of threads, although he says he's been busy lately.

Do you remember fartoomuchonmyplat. He was a PIAer that joined to say that he had the true story about Sun King and about a number of other Pidders. But we are skeptics. His story didn't hold up to any kind of questioning and we gave him heck. He also became a bit disruptive and we had to whack him a couple of times. He left us and has not returned.

[fireman]

you guys really had a debate over 20 pages or so since my last post! :eek: And that was yesterday!!

Faulcon, these show pictures of the same man:

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/diverse%20photos/PIA-collage.gif

There are BTW many photos of Paul before December 1966 with a "long" face. I could post like 30 of them only from my recent photobucket. But you would scream "DOCTORED" anyway.. :mad:

You see, TKIN is a dead website, because Sunking made it very clear for everybody that he is a fraud. Even the guys at NIR are not buying your radical PID position, most of them are PIAers anyway by now...

And you call everybody "who doesn't see, that it's two different guys is either stupid or disinfo" ???

That would include only the rest of the world...
:confused: :rolleyes:

[dream9]

I'm sorry, but I don't see that the face is completely different. We have hundreds of fades and comps showing that the shape is the same.


I'm sorry formosan, but most of those fades are a total joke. I've seen almost all of those over the years. And the very best of those fades still are not perfect. Faul's head has to be shrunk to remotely match up with Paul's.



...

[formosan termite]

This coming from a non-scientist :rolleyes:

I can read. I can see what they presented.

I am a skeptic. I do not believe everything that I read in magazines. I do not think that scientists are always right.

And again, the scientists in that article said it simply raised doubts. They did not declare it to be proof.

[dream9]

Faulcon, these show pictures of the same man:

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/diverse%20photos/PIA-collage.gif






Most of these pics show two different men!:eek:



....

[theenlightenedone]

Faul's head has to be shrunk to remotely match up with Paul's.

Well, OF COURSE the pics size has to be adjusted to match! You can't just take two pics and make one bigger because you believe that's the right propotion. Sometimes "Fauls" head is "shrunk" and sometimes "Pauls" head is shrunk. It all depends on the size of the pictures.

[faulconandsnowjob]

I am not lying.

You say that, but you don't offer proof.
Actually, I did. Fist, you said you treated PID'ers well at MFH, then turned around & admitted you didn't. That's lying.

[formosan termite]

I'm sorry formosan, but most of those fades are a total joke. I've seen almost all of those over the years. And the very best of those fades still are not perfect. Faul's head has to be shrunk to remotely match up with Paul's.



...

All I can say is that I totally disagree with you, but that is ok.

We have many that do match exactly, but I can't argue with you because I have no idea which ones you have seen.

Have a pleasant evening, or whatever. I don't know what time zone you are in.

[faulconandsnowjob]

you guys really had a debate over 20 pages or so since my last post! :eek: And that was yesterday!!

Faulcon, these show pictures of the same man:
Some of them are the same man. I noticed you stuck a mustache on one of Paul & compared it to a pic of Paul w/o a mustache. What is that supposed to prove?

There are BTW many photos of Paul before December 1966 with a "long" face:
Yeah, the ones that were stretched.

And you call everybody "who doesn't see, that it's two different guys is either stupid or disinfo" ???
Sorry, but it's hard for me to believe that people could really believe that a guy could change his facial features, his eye color & grow 2+ inches at 24 yrs old.

[dream9]

Well, OF COURSE the pics size has to be adjusted to match! You can't just take two pics and make one bigger because you believe that's the right propotion. Sometimes "Fauls" head is "shrunk" and sometimes "Pauls" head is shrunk. It all depends on the size of the pictures.


LOL. You sure are funny.

I meant in proportion to the body. When the fades are done if you showed the whole body(which they NEVER do in those fades), then you would see that Faul's head posted on Paul's body looks proportionately small and Paul's head posted on Faul's body looks too big. I've seen those fades many times.:rolleyes:



....

[faulconandsnowjob]

I do not believe everything that I read in magazines. I do not think that scientists are always right.

I can see w/ my own 2 eyes that Paul was replaced. Their findings prove what is obvious to some of us.

You don't believe everything you read? And yet you believe that Paul underwent some bizarre metamorphosis :p

And again, the scientists in that article said it simply raised doubts.
Yes, doubts b/c Paul would have had to have undergone a series of extensive & painful surgeries to account for all the changes, yet the requisite scarring wasn't there. Sounds like proof of a replacement to me.

[theenlightenedone]

LOL. You sure are funny.

I meant in proportion to the body. When the fades are done if you showed the whole body(which they NEVER do in those fades), then you would see that Faul's head posted on Paul's body looks proportionately small and Paul's head posted on Faul's body looks too big. I've seen those fades many times.:rolleyes:



....

You don't even see the full body in most of the pics, and when it's seen it's in a totally different position. BUT there are exceptions:

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n20/khanmfh/comps/Fifty%20Percent%20Overlays/piabolo_body_fiddy.jpg

There you go.
Body included.
:p

[formosan termite]

Actually, I did. Fist, you said you treated PID'ers well at MFH, then turned around & admitted you didn't. That's lying.

Oh come on. I gave more detail than that. They weren't treated poorly because they were pidders. They were treated poorly because they came on and tried to post nude photographs and used a great deal of very foul language, mostly having nothing to do with PID. They were breaking the rules of the forum and of proboards. Certainly you don't think we should have put up with that.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Well, OF COURSE the pics size has to be adjusted to match!
Yes, b/c if they weren't it'd be obvious that Faul's head is a lot bigger than Paul's :p

[theenlightenedone]

Faulcon:
Some of them are the same man. I noticed you stuck a mustache on one of Paul & compared it to a pic of Paul w/o a mustache. What is that supposed to prove?

What pics are you talking about? There are no such pics in there.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Faulcon:


What pics are you talking about? There are no such pics in there.

Yes, there are. They took this pic & stuck a mustache on it. Why?

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/blue.jpg

And btw, this picture was doctored to give Paul blue eyes. :p

[faulconandsnowjob]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/lilis456/1stVisitDVD08-1.jpghttp://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/lilis456/75nashvl.jpg

Why the long face, Faul? :p

[theenlightenedone]

Yes, there are. They took this pic & stuck a mustache on it. Why?

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/blue.jpg

And btw, this picture was doctored to give Paul blue eyes. :p

You've misunderstood.
It's just meant as a side by side comp. fireman put "Faul's" face on "Paul" to show how well it matches. That's not just a moustache, that's the entirety of "Faul's" face :o I guess the obvious differences weren't so obvious this time.

[faulconandsnowjob]

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/lilis678/DB1005_BEATLES_6.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/lilis456/75nashvl.jpg

Aw, why the long face?

[formosan termite]

Oh well. Now we are getting into reruns.

Good night all. My son came down and he is sick. I must attend to more important matters.

Best wishes to all here.

[fireman]

You've misunderstood.
It's just meant as a side by side comp. fireman put "Faul's" face on "Paul" to show how well it matches. That's not just a moustache, that's the entirety of "Faul's" face :o I guess the obvious differences weren't so obvious this time.


Exactly, but apparently they can not tell the "obvious difference" between Faul and Paul :D

[elisa]

The truth is Paul was replaced, but you can't accept that.

I find this super interesting.

a) Because it's spoken like you were right there the night it all allegedly happened.

b) Because you assume that if people out there disagree with you, they're either disinfo or stupid. Way to close one's mind to the third and most logical possibility: that people can think on their own and still disagree with you.

Better stupid than arrogant and disrespectful, you know.

You'll end up pushing people towards PIA rather than PID without them even taking a look at the pictures.


On a rather happier note, I'm hearing the boys everywhere lately. Yay! :D


PS: I'm a tad computer-challenged, so I'm not sure I can link a video here with any level of success...:o Anyway, this is one of my fave appearances of all times.

All You Need Is Love live for the World. June 1967.

Faul looked no different from Paul to me then. And when I look at 6:32 onwards, that gesture is all Paul. Ot the chemistry between him and John at 6:16 and the next moments ^_^ What can I say, I love him, or them both, or... :p

(Starts at 3:40)
the beatles anthology 7 - YouTube

[fireman]

somehow i can't see your video, you mean this?

Beatles Anthology Episode 7 (1of8) - YouTube

:-)

[elisa]

somehow i can't see your video, you mean this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzMDNbEF3Dc

:-)

See what I meant with 'computer challenged'? lol... Thanks Fireman.

But now I don't see yours either. Is it my comp or videos aren't working? Mmm. No idea.

Here's the link anyway, the old fashioned way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHz0D_7RLz0

PS: What the.. I can see it when I quote you but can't in the actual post? mmm...

[astrochicken]

...And when I look at 6:32 onwards, that gesture is all Paul. Ot the chemistry between him and John at 6:16 and the next moments ^_^ What can I say, I love him, or them both, or... :p

(Starts at 3:40)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHz0D_7RLz0



Nope. Bad acting.

[PIA mode]
.... IN MY OPINION
[/PIA mode]

[supertzar]

Nope. Bad acting.

[PIA mode]
.... IN MY OPINION
[/PIA mode]

PID mode would be "That's a fact?" That ought to tell you something about the difference between PID people and people you see as "PIA." One group is stuck in their opinion and will never change no matter what and the other just says what they think is probably true.

Personally I don't consider myself "PIA" because that would lend a sense of legitimacy to "PID." I am just open-minded and skeptical about everything I possibly can be. In my estimation based on the evidence in this thread PID has about a .001% chance of being true (and that is probably being generous.) That is from someone who approached the issue without preconceived notions. I would have been equally happy if Paul was in fact dead. It sure would be interesting to find all the great evidence about it. In my opinion the evidence shows the opposite and very strongly at that.

[theenlightenedone]

Nope. Bad acting.

[PIA mode]
.... IN MY OPINION
[/PIA mode]

Bad acting? Well a lot of people sure bought it :D You can tell bad acting from normal gestures, and that ain't bad acting. That's Paul all the way :cool:

[elisa]

Nope. Bad acting.

[PIA mode]
.... IN MY OPINION
[/PIA mode]

PIA mode? lol.. I thought that would be more like common sense mode, astrochicken...;) We don't know, ergo we give opinions. ;)

[dedesuperman]

I would like to come back with this comparison of picture between Paul in August 1966 and the new Paul that I name Faul in 1967

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/memphis_66_comp.jpg

Take a look between these 2 pictures, there we speak of gap of at least one year and we must be blind not to admit that there is a major difference of facial feature between these 2 pictures. Those that are PIA affirm that it is caused because of the use of the drug, therefore you admit a difference, right? Baloney! If I follow your reasoning because of the use of the drug in one period of some months would cause a change of the cranial shape of the round shape to elongated of Faul yeah right :rolleyes:

I am not a medical or physionomic expert but my logic told to me that it is not possible that the drug causes a radical change in the shape of the face from round to elongated. It's my opinion.

[astrochicken]

I am not a medical or physionomic expert but my logic told to me that it is not possible that the drug causes a radical change in the shape of the face from round to elongated. It's my opinion.


Your opinion is right.

My face is still the same shape, regardless.

Drugs don't change your face, or your height, or your eye colour.
They may well have contributed to paul no longer biting his nails,
but this we'll sadly never, ever know.

[socrates]

Why don't you show me ONE picture of Paul w/ green eyes? I bet you can't.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8529/colorgal08.jpg

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8529/colorgal08.jpg

Predicted PID response? Either "doctored" or 'Is that eye supposed to be green? LOL'.

[formosan termite]

Here is another.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8121/sunny2.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/i/sunny2.jpg/)[/quote]

[socrates]

Drugs don't change your face

Yes they can. :rolleyes:

http://www.lewe.za.net/images/drugs.jpg

But, what 'changes' can you see here?

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/diabolo123/6667-1.gif

Please point out all the differences you can see. We're waiting.

or your height,

No, agreed. But the angle and height of a camera can alter the PERCEPTION of height - as has been proved over and over again throughout this thread!

*SIGH*

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/4935/wa1906462.jpghttp://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/lilis456/dreamer2.jpg

According to PIDDERS 'Faul' was taller than Paul. Well those pics PROVE that's absolute bullshit!

I challenge any PIDDER to post just one FULL LENGTH (showing feet at same level) photo comp of Paul and 'Faul' which shows a height difference - when the photos are taken at around head height and straight on (no angles).

They won't be able to do it!


or your eye colour.

DITTO!

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8529/colorgal08.jpg

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8529/colorgal08.jpg

Here is another.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8121/sunny2.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/i/sunny2.jpg/)

http://www.dontgo.co.uk/openyoureyes/open-your-eyes.gif

They may well have contributed to paul no longer biting his nails,
but this we'll sadly never, ever know.

Yes we do. He still bit them way after PID:

The Wink - YouTube

[formosan termite]

Here is an oldie but goodie.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/devilsadv/eyecomp12pe.gif

Note. Three shots. One of pre '67 Paul and two of post '66 Paul.

Paul pre '67 shows dark green. One post '66 shows brown, the other green.

Shocking! The reason? Hazel eyes can shift color depending on the surroundings. They can sometimes look brown, sometimes green. This is backed up by several sources.

Here is a site that debunks the eye color change misrepresentation. It shows a couple of shots of Paul, pre 66 with green eyes.

http://www.tlcgraphic.com/paul4.html

[triso]

the only noticable change with McCartney is weight loss.. that's it.

[formosan termite]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/devilsadv/GreenEyedPaul02.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/devilsadv/GreenEyedPaul03.gif

GREEN.

Someone said that Paul was NEVER seen with green eyes. I think we have shown this to be in error.

Is it easier to find post '66 images of Paul with green eyes? Yes. Why?

Simple. Paul McCartney started reaching stardom in 1963. So the pre '67 era lasted about 4 years, 63, 64, 65 and 1966. And most of the shots taken during that 4 year time frame were in black and white. Most of the TV images are in black and white. Hard Day's Night was in black and white. Black and white photography was much more common back then. Post 1966, color was more common. Their TV appearances were now more in color. The photos were mostly in color. And most of all, the photographs of post 1966 Paul cover a 43 year period as opposed to only 4. There is a much bigger population of available media to pull from.

[formosan termite]

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/4935/wa1906462.jpghttp://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/lilis456/dreamer2.jpg




Wow! Pre 1967 Paul was much taller than the other three! What happened post 1966? Did Paul shrink a couple of inches?

[socrates]

Here is an oldie but goodie.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/devilsadv/eyecomp12pe.gif

Note. Three shots. One of pre '67 Paul and two of post '66 Paul.

Paul pre '67 shows dark green. One post '66 shows brown, the other green.

Shocking! The reason? Hazel eyes can shift color depending on the surroundings. They can sometimes look brown, sometimes green. This is backed up by several sources.

Here is a site that debunks the eye color change misrepresentation. It shows a couple of shots of Paul, pre 66 with green eyes.

http://www.tlcgraphic.com/paul4.html

Agreed.

And did you, perchance, notice something else in that comp?

Same freckles!

http://upload.project-j.nl/uploads/ScreenHunter_33.jpg

:D

[triso]

Wow! Pre 1967 Paul was much taller than the other three! What happened post 1966? Did Paul shrink a couple of inches?

No, just think he stopped wearing winkle pickers with 3" heels

[socrates]

the only noticable change with McCartney is weight loss.. that's it.

Good point. His weight did fluctuate a bit during the late sixties/early seventies. Probably the drugs had something to do with it.

[triso]

Good point. His weight did fluctuate a bit during the late sixties/early seventies. Probably the drugs had something to do with it.

Almost definately. Plus running away from mass crowds!!!!!

[theenlightenedone]

Good point. His weight did fluctuate a bit during the late sixties/early seventies. Probably the drugs had something to do with it.

Pauls weight changed alot during the years witr the beatles and the early Wings years. In late 1965 he almost looks fat and in late 1966 he looks very thin :eek: He got back to his normal weight but I've seen some pics from the Wings era where he looks very thin. And then I mean VERY thin.

1967 :eek:
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7531/doooa.jpg

197? :eek:
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4512/skinnyz.jpg

Of course, the REAL Paul would never lose so much weight :rolleyes:

[theenlightenedone]

Hey Faulcon, check out FP's latest ;)

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4241/lazyfade.gif

[socrates]

The Illuminati-controlled media has been complicit in furthering the deception that Faul is Paul for over 40 years.
It's soooo ironic that you claim the illuminati controls the mass media and then refer to the Wired article in your sig as a source for "proof" that Paul was replaced!

Do you even know who owns Wired? Have you even researched this? I bet you haven't. :rolleyes:

Well let's take a look, shall we?

Wired is owned by Condé Nast Publications, Inc., a worldwide magazine publishing company. Their main offices are located in New York, Miami, London, Milan, Paris, Madrid and Tokyo. Condé Nast is run by S.I. Newhouse Jr.

By 1998 the group included 17 such publications, many of them the largest in their markets. It had an average total circulation of over 13 million issues a month, and an estimated actual readership five times larger than that.

The Condé Nast family of publications also includes Fairchild Publications, a former competitor before it was bought by S.I. Newhouse Jr. Fairchild publishes many successful monthly magazines in addition to the specialized daily trade publication Women's Wear Daily.

Condé Nast Media Group is the corporate sales and marketing arm of the company and the creator of the 3-year-old fashion and music spectacular on CBS called Fashion Rocks.

The company publishes one of the most recognizable magazine portfolios in the industry.

Fashion and lifestyle

* Vogue
* W
* Glamour
* Allure
* Self
* Teen Vogue
* GQ
* Details
* Lucky
* Easy Living

Home

* Architectural Digest
* Maison & Jardin
* Vogue Decoration

Bridal

* Brides
* Modern Bride
* Elegant Bride

Family

* Cookie

Golf

* Golf Digest
* Golf World
* Golf for Women

Food

* Gourmet
* Bon Appétit

Travel

* Condé Nast Traveler

Technology

* Wired
* Ars Technica
* Webmonkey

Culture

* Vanity Fair
* The New Yorker

Condé Nast is owned by billionaire, Samuel I. "Si" Newhouse.

From http://www.illuminati-news.com:

Quite a few larger Independent Newspapers are owned by Jewish interests as well. An example is media mogul Samuel I. "Si" Newhouse, who owns two dozen daily newspapers from Staten Island to Oregon, plus the Sunday supplement Parade; the Conde Nast collection of magazines, including Vogue, The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, Allure, GQ, and Self; the publishing firms of Random House, Knopf, Crown, and Ballantine, among other imprints; and cable franchises with over one million subscribers."

The Illuminati-controlled media has been complicit in furthering the deception that Faul is Paul for over 40 years.

Hang on! "The Illuminati-controlled media" is publishing "proof" that Paul was replaced according to YOU!

It's in YOUR SIG!

You cry that the sheeple fall for the lies and deceptions of the illuminati controlled media" and yet YOU use the very same media as a source of "proof" that Paul was replaced!!!

http://upload.project-j.nl/uploads/ScreenHunter_34.jpg

Or in other words:

'The evil Illuminati who lie and deceive us killed Paul McCartney and covered it up. Er, but now they have changed their mind about covering it up for the last 40 years and are offering us proof that they really did replace Paul. So you better believe them now. I do. Please believe the evil Illuminati. Yes they lie all the time but not about this. This is the one thing they are not lying about. I trust their word on this. Don't believe them about anything else, sure, but believe them when they say Paul was replaced. That's fair, isn't it?'

Excuse me while I stop laughing! :rolleyes:

[theenlightenedone]

Excellent post "Focrates" ;)

[socrates]

Excellent post "Focrates" ;)

:D

[theenlightenedone]

:D

Well I'm pretty sure you're not the real socrates :D So Faulcons nickname is appropriate :D

[socrates]

Well I'm pretty sure you're not the real socrates :D So Faulcons nickname is appropriate :D

Her use of the nickname is a deliberate mark of disrespect; she admitted that herself. Therefore, faulconpoop is an appropriate nickname for a person with such a mentality. :D

[theenlightenedone]

Her use of the nickname is a deliberate mark of disrespect; she admitted that herself. Therefore, faulconpoop is an appropriate nickname for a person with such a mentality. :D

My friend came up with a good nickname for Faulcon, but I think it's a bit too vile for this forum :D

[formosan termite]

It's soooo ironic that you claim the illuminati controls the mass media and then refer to the Wired article in your sig as a source for "proof" that Paul was replaced!

Do you even know who owns Wired? Have you even researched this? I bet you haven't. :rolleyes:

Well let's take a look, shall we?

Wired is owned by Condé Nast Publications, Inc., a worldwide magazine publishing company. Their main offices are located in New York, Miami, London, Milan, Paris, Madrid and Tokyo. Condé Nast is run by S.I. Newhouse Jr.

By 1998 the group included 17 such publications, many of them the largest in their markets. It had an average total circulation of over 13 million issues a month, and an estimated actual readership five times larger than that.

The Condé Nast family of publications also includes Fairchild Publications, a former competitor before it was bought by S.I. Newhouse Jr. Fairchild publishes many successful monthly magazines in addition to the specialized daily trade publication Women's Wear Daily.

Condé Nast Media Group is the corporate sales and marketing arm of the company and the creator of the 3-year-old fashion and music spectacular on CBS called Fashion Rocks.

The company publishes one of the most recognizable magazine portfolios in the industry.

Fashion and lifestyle

* Vogue
* W
* Glamour
* Allure
* Self
* Teen Vogue
* GQ
* Details
* Lucky
* Easy Living

Home

* Architectural Digest
* Maison & Jardin
* Vogue Decoration

Bridal

* Brides
* Modern Bride
* Elegant Bride

Family

* Cookie

Golf

* Golf Digest
* Golf World
* Golf for Women

Food

* Gourmet
* Bon Appétit

Travel

* Condé Nast Traveler

Technology

* Wired
* Ars Technica
* Webmonkey

Culture

* Vanity Fair
* The New Yorker

Condé Nast is owned by billionaire, Samuel I. "Si" Newhouse.

From http://www.illuminati-news.com:





Hang on! "The Illuminati-controlled media" is publishing "proof" that Paul was replaced according to YOU!

It's in YOUR SIG!

You cry that the sheeple fall for the lies and deceptions of the illuminati controlled media" and yet YOU use the very same media as a source of "proof" that Paul was replaced!!!

http://upload.project-j.nl/uploads/ScreenHunter_34.jpg

Or in other words:

'The evil Illuminati who lie and deceive us killed Paul McCartney and covered it up. Er, but now they have changed their mind about covering it up for the last 40 years and are offering us proof that they really did replace Paul. So you better believe them now. I do. Please believe the evil Illuminati. Yes they lie all the time but not about this. This is the one thing they are not lying about. I trust their word on this. Don't believe them about anything else, sure, but believe them when they say Paul was replaced. That's fair, isn't it?'

Excuse me while I stop laughing! :rolleyes:

LOL! Great work!

The illuminati are a strange group.

On the one hand we are told that the illuminati are all powerful; that "everything was possible" for the illuminati in the 20th century to fool us about Paul being replaced. We are told that the illuminati pay attention to every detail, and could even do surgery on the iris of "faul's" eye to put the same little quirk into it.

But, at the same time they tell us that these same detail oriented, all powerful illuminati got the hair wrong, the eye color wrong, the height wrong, the shape of the face wrong, the freckles wrong, the ears wrong and the teeth wrong. Some attention to detail.:rolleyes:

Can't have it both ways.

[socrates]

My friend came up with a good nickname for Faulcon, but I think it's a bit too vile for this forum :D

Let us be the judge of that. :D

[theenlightenedone]

Let us be the judge of that. :D

Please no, It'll get me banned, I think :D

[socrates]

LOL! Great work!

The illuminati are a strange group.

On the one hand we are told that the illuminati are all powerful; that "everything was possible" for the illuminati in the 20th century to fool us about Paul being replaced. We are told that the illuminati pay attention to every detail, and could even do surgery on the iris of "faul's" eye to put the same little quirk into it.

But, at the same time they tell us that these same detail oriented, all powerful illuminati got the hair wrong, the eye color wrong, the height wrong, the shape of the face wrong, the freckles wrong, the ears wrong and the teeth wrong. Some attention to detail.:rolleyes:

Can't have it both ways.

PIDDERS do want it both ways; that's one of the many reasons why their arguments fall down.

For example, they construct a 'reality' where they can simply say PIA photos are doctored without having to show any evidence. In their reality, just by merely saying it is doctored means it is. They therefore don't need to post any evidence to support their claim. :D

This reminds me of the first Terminator film. Silberman, the psychologist, is talking about Kyle Reese and his story about coming from the future and the terminators:

SILBERMAN:
(excited)

This is great stuff. I could
make a career out of this guy.
You see how clever this part
is...how it doesn't require a
shred of proof. Most paranoid
delusions are intricate...but
this is brilliant.

Only difference is that Reese was telling the truth! :D

[socrates]

Please no, It'll get me banned, I think :D

:D

[theenlightenedone]

:D

I sent the nickname to Formosan. Ask him if you wanna know if you wanna know how bad it was :D ;)

[hunter77]

Let us be the judge of that. :D

i like falcon nut job:D

[theenlightenedone]

i like falcon nut job:D

:D