Why David Davis refused to Debate? The Lizards

[jamesk]

I think that David Davis is a good and brave man to do what he is doing. I imagine that he would have loved to debate with a globally well known person like David Icke, on maters that are so important to him and to everyone.

So, why did he refuse?

I imagine that its this "lizards rule the world" label that has put him off. He may have felt that a debate with someone who thinks this would turn him into a laughing stock. With the best will in the world, David Davis can not be associated with this, as he would then lose all credibility.

Is it time for David Icke to drop the "lizards rule the world" nonesense? Should his friends, readers and collegues make it clear to him that this is not the way to spread the message?

If you take 100 people, tell them in the most persuasive way possible that "lizards rule the world", you'll get very little interest. A few may believe you for a while, but most will soon leave thinking that you are a nutter. Fewer the 1% would vote for you.

If, on the other hand, you tell them about the erosion of civil liberties, the big brother police state, the draconian legislations, the EU supersates taking away local power, etc, then you'll likely 99% of the people voting for you.

When I was a computing undergraduate in 1982, there was some concern about the use of computers and future databases that could be used against the public interest. This led to the passing of The Data Protection Act, that severly limited what companies and Governments could do with personal data and what data could be held on computers.

Today this has changed, evenn though there is a huge public concern about civil liberties and the Big brother police state, 1000's time more then in the 80's. But this can be changed. Look at how that guy, forget his name, who mobalised and got the "No" vote in Ireland, when all the political parties, all the media, and all the companies were campaigning for a "Yes".

[steevo]

I think that the reason David Davis doesnt want to debate it with Icke is because Icke, like someone else has already said on here, would wipe the floor with him. David Davis does not want to discuss the bigger picture. He is a typical politician IN MY OPINION who will discuss only what is on HIS (and "their" agenda) and will discuss nothing more.

[kweli]

[QUOTE=jamesk;406249]I think that David Davis is a good and brave man to do what he is doing. QUOTE]

I stopped reading at your very first sentence lol.

[jamesk]

I stopped reading at your very first sentence lol.

I don't know him, but anyone that resigns to take a public stand against the police state is good in my opinion.

[tinmenace]

Erm, lizards? :rolleyes:

Why are you perpetuating a lie? He's not called them lizards. Why are you spreading disinfo? What is your agenda?

[dmt head]

Erm, lizards? :rolleyes:

Why are you perpetuating a lie? He's not called them lizards. Why are you spreading disinfo? What is your agenda?





I always say lizards whats the big deal? Dont think its disinfo I mean lizards are reptiles arent they? I dont think he has an agenda, do you really think jamesk has a suspicious agenda by saying bloody lizards??? :rolleyes: I think it probably is to do with the lizards :D plus as someone said on the other thread hed wipe the floor with him.

[sorath]

I am not 100% on the reptilians thing myself but then again most politicians are christians and nobody thinks them to be nutters and they believe in an invisable man in the clouds ffs. I hate the glaring double standards in society. its ok for the majority to believe in a ridiculous monotheistic religion like christianity but have a different view regarding other dimensional beings and you are a nutter. This is one of the reasons why we are heading quickly towards a police state in my opinion. Rant Over!

[tinmenace]

I always say lizards whats the big deal? Dont think its disinfo I mean lizards are reptiles arent they? I dont think he has an agenda, do you really think jamesk has a suspicious agenda by saying bloody lizards??? :rolleyes: I think it probably is to do with the lizards :D plus as someone said on the other thread hed wipe the floor with him.

It misrepresents what David has ACTUALLY said. It's deceptive, and anyone misquoting what David has said is deceptive and apparently agenda-driven (...and apparently don't comprehend his message at all).

The reason people don't want to debate David is because they don't want to answer difficult questions. They don't want to be put on the spot and they sure don't want a can of worms opened publicly. THAT's why. It has nothing to do with "reptoids" or "lizards" - which sound like creatures from a bad B-movie, and are not part of the information that David is trying to convey. :rolleyes:

If you'd kept up with his research and his evolving understanding of the nature of multi-dimensional entities, you too might understand it. But woe is you...apparently.

[tootrue]

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We are not sure if/when the vibration would get 'repared'
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Take care
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[hirschfelder]

It always annoys me when some no-mark on the internet say stuff like,

"Is it time for Icke to drop the lizard nonsense"

For one, clearly Icke doesn't think it's nonsense. He happens to believe our reality is being manipulated extra-dimensionally and he happens to believe that those manipulators have a reptilian aspect to them. He has every right to include this information in his work. NOBODY is obliged to believe it

Why should he dumb down his research and his information? Could you really respect him if he believed this, but chose not to say it, just so he could appeal to the lowest comon denominator?

We'd have another fucking Michael Moore on our hands if Icke started tailoring his information to appeal to those idiots who choose to label that which they can't understand, "nonsense"

I don't want someone like Icke being selective with his research. I want him to be sincere and honest, regardless if some people think it's "nonsense"

JamesK, my advice to you is to ignore the "nonsense" if you consider it so. But don't dictate to David Icke what he should and shouldn't talk about just because of your prejudices

You'll never write a book or have people pay to hear your research, but if you ever do THEN you can decide what's said.

And if it's so easy to get 99% of the people to vote for you, why don't YOU stand in the Haltemprice and Howdon by-election? Or is sitting on the internet calling things "nonsense" the extent of your involvement?

I only clicked on this thread because I thought the title had some bearing on reality. I didn't know some thick twat had just made it up

"I imagine that its this "lizards rule the world" label that has put him off"

Fortunately we have people doing proper research, we don't have to rely on some fucknut's imagination

[largejack]

I always say lizards whats the big deal? Dont think its disinfo I mean lizards are reptiles arent they? I dont think he has an agenda, do you really think jamesk has a suspicious agenda by saying bloody lizards??? :rolleyes: I think it probably is to do with the lizards :D plus as someone said on the other thread hed wipe the floor with him.



Well said::)

[gremlin]

david davis would crap himself if he got into a debate with icky, he knows it and we know it.

david davies ego is so big he would simply just do what all egos do, laugh and say david icke is mad.

[romas]

I am not 100% on the reptilians thing myself but then again most politicians are christians and nobody thinks them to be nutters and they believe in an invisable man in the clouds ffs. I hate the glaring double standards in society. its ok for the majority to believe in a ridiculous monotheistic religion like christianity but have a different view regarding other dimensional beings and you are a nutter. This is one of the reasons why we are heading quickly towards a police state in my opinion. Rant Over!


Wise words.

[romas]

It always annoys me when some no-mark on the internet say stuff like,

"Is it time for Icke to drop the lizard nonsense"

For one, clearly Icke doesn't think it's nonsense. He happens to believe our reality is being manipulated extra-dimensionally and he happens to believe that those manipulators have a reptilian aspect to them. He has every right to include this information in his work. NOBODY is obliged to believe it

Why should he dumb down his research and his information? Could you really respect him if he believed this, but chose not to say it, just so he could appeal to the lowest comon denominator?

We'd have another fucking Michael Moore on our hands if Icke started tailoring his information to appeal to those idiots who choose to label that which they can't understand, "nonsense"

I don't want someone like Icke being selective with his research. I want him to be sincere and honest, regardless if some people think it's "nonsense"

JamesK, my advice to you is to ignore the "nonsense" if you consider it so. But don't dictate to David Icke what he should and shouldn't talk about just because of your prejudices

You'll never write a book or have people pay to hear your research, but if you ever do THEN you can decide what's said.

And if it's so easy to get 99% of the people to vote for you, why don't YOU stand in the Haltemprice and Howdon by-election? Or is sitting on the internet calling things "nonsense" the extent of your involvement?

I only clicked on this thread because I thought the title had some bearing on reality. I didn't know some thick twat had just made it up

"I imagine that its this "lizards rule the world" label that has put him off"

Fortunately we have people doing proper research, we don't have to rely on some fucknut's imagination



Indeed, getting sick of these reality masters myself, they should just keep their limited viewpoints and stop degrading others.

[redhead]

Has anybody ever thought that the Lizards could just be a manifestation in another dimension of people in this dimension thinking with there REPTILE brain, because all our leaders show traits of using there reptile brain above there mammal brain and the neocortex.

The reptile brain, also known as the reptilian complex or r complex for short, evolved first. From the reptile brain we get our instinct to survive, fight, flee, gain territory and reproduce. From the reptile brain we get our most basic emotions.


I Quote John Lennon
"I believe in everything until it's disproved. So I believe in fairies, the myths, dragons. It all exists, even if it's in your mind. Who's to say that dreams and nightmares aren't as real as the here and now?"

So who's to say they don't exist in some dimension somewhere?

[tinmenace]

Has anybody ever thought that the Lizards could just be a manifestation in another dimension of people in this dimension thinking with there REPTILE brain, because all our leaders show traits of using there reptile brain above there mammal brain and the neocortex.

The reptile brain, also known as the reptilian complex or r complex for short, evolved first. From the reptile brain we get our instinct to survive, fight, flee, gain territory and reproduce. From the reptile brain we get our most basic emotions.


I Quote John Lennon
"I believe in everything until it's disproved. So I believe in fairies, the myths, dragons. It all exists, even if it's in your mind. Who's to say that dreams and nightmares aren't as real as the here and now?"

So who's to say they don't exist in some dimension somewhere?

No, they don't think. They have others formulate their opinions for them.

[whiterain]

I don't know him, but anyone that resigns to take a public stand against the police state is good in my opinion.

yes its a good staged gesture. you do realise that he is for the death penalty and against the human rights act dont you?

i cant belive they have managed to get people discussing this 42 day detention thing for so long. IT DOESNT MATTER. IF THEY WANT TO KEEP YOU FOR AS LONG AS THEY WANT, THEY WILL. HOW LONG HAVE PEOPLE BEEN LOCKED UP IN GUANTANEMO FOR? HOW LONG IN OTHER 'DETENTION CENTRES'. HOW LONG HAVE THE GUYS THE BRITISH HANDED OVER TO THE US BEEN LOCKED UP ON PRISON SHIPS, TORTURED AND BEATEN FOR. LONGER THAN 42 DAYS I RECKON. sorry for shouting :)

one of these days i feel like just going round the news rooms and just slapping every news reader until they realise how self indulged, compliant, naive and guilty of hiding the real truth they all are. not that id ever use violence to further my means tho.

[reptileslayer]

I am not 100% on the reptilians thing myself but then again most politicians are christians and nobody thinks them to be nutters and they believe in an invisable man in the clouds ffs. I hate the glaring double standards in society. its ok for the majority to believe in a ridiculous monotheistic religion like christianity but have a different view regarding other dimensional beings and you are a nutter. This is one of the reasons why we are heading quickly towards a police state in my opinion. Rant Over!
Your bang on Sorath you have made a crystal clear point!

[curly]

[QUOTE=redhead;406379]Has anybody ever thought that the Lizards could just be a manifestation in another dimension of people in this dimension thinking with there REPTILE brain, because all our leaders show traits of using there reptile brain above there mammal brain and the neocortex.


food for thought,i like that one!:)

[curly]

I think davis will win whatever it's his area and the powers that be know that this isn't any risk for him.they believe in him round there,but i also think david icke throwing his hat in the ring has thrown tptb as they hoped with the compliance of the press to engineer a moral victory for big brother in the newspapers by bringing in ms saward etc,and making us realise how vulnerable to terrorists/criminals etc.Ickey could turn this on it's head,he wasn't even going to mention lizards anyway.

[beldazar]

Why should he drop the 'lizards' part just because others dont like it or dont accept it. It may happen to be the biggest part of the theory :rolleyes:

[tinmenace]

Why should he drop the 'lizards' part just because others dont like it or dont accept it. It may happen to be the biggest part of the theory :rolleyes:

Good point!

[celtic isis]

Why should he drop the 'lizards' part just because others dont like it or dont accept it. It may happen to be the biggest part of the theory :rolleyes:

i second that! my friend you're on a roll! :):cool:

just an edit to add (i went back and re-read this here thread :)) argh mr icke does call them "THE REPTILIAN ELITE" and in particular all throughout his last book which is annoying to say the least...i would love to pass this bookon to family members and "friends" that i have left lol but i can't cause well referring to them as the reptilian elite every few sentances in some chapters if not all of them does look daft to people who are not "at that level".

I think david icke is right, in fact I FEEL it (i would say KNOW it), this rep thing does make sense to me now, it's just to the joe public, well...we know what they think and sadly it stops right there for them, you just have to say David Icke and they say whoop i'm seeing lizards...when it's nothing to do with damn lizards lol

[beldazar]

yeah baby! :D

As soon as we can grasp the idea of other dimensions as quantum physicists are now touching on then the reptilian theory wont appear quite so wacky, :D

[celtic isis]

yeah baby! :D

As soon as we can grasp the idea of other dimensions as quantum physicists are now touching on then the reptilian theory wont appear quite so wacky, :D

:D

totally, anything is possible in this "world", it's like something like star wars = real life actually :D

ah the rep thing did used to annoy me a lot (talking with people) now nothing annoys me lol

ah mr icke is well on his way now, i just see on another thread one member said he's doing the opposite of hitler, tell the truth often enough and eventually the people will believe it/you. Love that! :)

the people are waking from their slumber :)

bout feckin time too huh!

[curly]

Why should he drop the 'lizards' part just because others dont like it or dont accept it. It may happen to be the biggest part of the theory :rolleyes:

i agree he should shout it from the rooftops,but not on this platform just yet

[dmt head]

It misrepresents what David has ACTUALLY said. It's deceptive, and anyone misquoting what David has said is deceptive and apparently agenda-driven (...and apparently don't comprehend his message at all).

The reason people don't want to debate David is because they don't want to answer difficult questions. They don't want to be put on the spot and they sure don't want a can of worms opened publicly. THAT's why. It has nothing to do with "reptoids" or "lizards" - which sound like creatures from a bad B-movie, and are not part of the information that David is trying to convey. :rolleyes:

If you'd kept up with his research and his evolving understanding of the nature of multi-dimensional entities, you too might understand it. But woe is you...apparently.







Its apparantly deceptive?? Says who? Think your getting bogged down in semantics tbh The majority of what he says has nothing to do with lizards but then ultimately it does, though as someone said in a previous post his last book is reptillian elite this reptillian elite that, I want some people to read certain chapters but the reptillian elite term that keeps coming up will just put them off completely to actual facts hes on about. And what is it I have to keep up with ? I just finished his most recent book so what is it I have to learn from his techings? The nature of multidimensional beings? Id always like to be edcated, thought I had a good grasp of multidimensional beings and there workings, though just a little im always learning but id love to know what im missing ?

yeah baby!

As soon as we can grasp the idea of other dimensions as quantum physicists are now touching on then the reptilian theory wont appear quite so wacky,

Coincidentally was just reading about that today, a lot of the quantum mechanics is above my head tbh but interesting all the same, should check out this book, talking about exactly that! http://www.amazon.com/Inner-Paths-Outer-Space-Psychedelics/dp/159477224X

[thematrix]

actually whenever I mention David Icke to people the majority of the time the reaction I get first of all is "He's that nutter who thinks he is the son of God"

I don't think he mentions reptillians once in the "Freedom to Fascism" 7 hour talk. Lots of people I know still refuse to watch it.

I think David Davis most likely refused the debate as he'd have very very little to gain from such a debate with a "mainstream media certified madman" and an awful lot of "credibility" to lose just from participating.

[illuminatiman]

Yes, but surely these politcians dont have any credibility anyway? Do they? :)

They lie out there back teeth, this is staged by Davis and his party.

Davis is a panty waste and an arrogant one at that! :D

[tictocinatomic]

What about referring to the reptiles/lizards as demons? Isn't that what they are? They hide in the background or under disguise and they torture and abuse us to no end. I think it'd be easier to convince people about what's really going on if you tell them that demons are controlling this world instead of reptiles.

[beldazar]

good point! :)

[free thinker]

What about referring to the reptiles/lizards as demons? Isn't that what they are? They hide in the background or under disguise and they torture and abuse us to no end. I think it'd be easier to convince people about what's really going on if you tell them that demons are controlling this world instead of reptiles.

Imagine you have heard nothing of reptillians, NWO, infact as mr or mrs average goes..they may not have even heard of half the stuff, David Icke or Alex Jones have produced.

So imagine the scenario, mr average ends up on this very forum, and starts to read all what is being posted....What do you think they are gonna think?

NWO? 911-inside job? reptillians? cosmic mind blogs?....Now i'm no betting man but, mr average-lived his life wrapped in cotton wool-type of guy....is gonna freak out!! :confused:

maybe post a link to his friends, who are probably the same 'price' as him....all ending up in some serious piss-taking.

[jamesk]

What about referring to the reptiles/lizards as demons? Isn't that what they are? They hide in the background or under disguise and they torture and abuse us to no end. I think it'd be easier to convince people about what's really going on if you tell them that demons are controlling this world instead of reptiles.

Yes, I think that most people, particularly Christian/Muslim/Jewish people, would be easier persuaded by "demons are controlling the world" then "lizards are controlling the world".

I think that many "religious" people believe that demonic posession is responsible for many of the ills in the world. The Bible, for example, says that the Devil is the ruler of this world....

[tinmenace]

Its apparantly deceptive?? Says who? Think your getting bogged down in semantics tbh The majority of what he says has nothing to do with lizards but then ultimately it does, though as someone said in a previous post his last book is reptillian elite this reptillian elite that, I want some people to read certain chapters but the reptillian elite term that keeps coming up will just put them off completely to actual facts hes on about. And what is it I have to keep up with ? I just finished his most recent book so what is it I have to learn from his techings? The nature of multidimensional beings? Id always like to be edcated, thought I had a good grasp of multidimensional beings and there workings, though just a little im always learning but id love to know what im missing ?



Coincidentally was just reading about that today, a lot of the quantum mechanics is above my head tbh but interesting all the same, should check out this book, talking about exactly that! http://www.amazon.com/Inner-Paths-Outer-Space-Psychedelics/dp/159477224X

It IS deceptive, and I base that statement on the reactions of many people to whom I have spoken about the loomies. Just doing my bit to help people see the danger we're headed toward, y'see...

The minute I say David's name, or mention his work, they say, "Oh yeah, that lizard guy, right?" Right there and then I have a much much larger barrier to overcome because some disinfo agents have already carelessly misquoted David and tainted the waters.

Effectively making it more difficult for us to get through to enough people.

Get it?

[deany]

Yes, I think that most people, particularly Christian/Muslim/Jewish people, would be easier persuaded by "demons are controlling the world" then "lizards are controlling the world".

I think that many "religious" people believe that demonic posession is responsible for many of the ills in the world. The Bible, for example, says that the Devil is the ruler of this world....

hi there James,

an intersting post. Can you let me know where in the bible it states the devil is the ruler of this world?

cheers

[jamesk]

hi there James,

an intersting post. Can you let me know where in the bible it states the devil is the ruler of this world?

cheers

Hi Deany,

I'm not a Christian, though I have read the Bible - you sort of need to know what your looking for as you read it, it says it all over the place.

The Lords Prayer implies it when it talks of:
"thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" (ie the earth is the devils kingdom, and the prayer is for the establishment of Gods kingdom)

Corinthians 4:4, "the god of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ."

John 8:44, Jesus calls the Devil "a liar, and the father of lies"
John 12:31 Says: "The ruler of this world shall be cast out" (ie will be removed in the future, but is ruler now)
John 14:30 "for the ruler of this world cometh"
John 16:11: "the ruler of this world has been judged" (ie is still ruler until then).

Ephesians 2:2 calls Satan the "prince of the power of the air"

[duckingdafta]

David Davis has stated that if anyone was to leave money in their will to animals, this money should be instantly seized.. hows that for a man fighting for your freedom?....it's a con to get you to join with the preachers.

[dmt head]

It IS deceptive, and I base that statement on the reactions of many people to whom I have spoken about the loomies. Just doing my bit to help people see the danger we're headed toward, y'see...

The minute I say David's name, or mention his work, they say, "Oh yeah, that lizard guy, right?" Right there and then I have a much much larger barrier to overcome because some disinfo agents have already carelessly misquoted David and tainted the waters.

Effectively making it more difficult for us to get through to enough people.

Get it?







I dont think it makes a difference wether its lizards or reptillians both sound just as ridiculous to most people, like some people have said to me oh him that thinks its reptiles that rule the world, its the same thing and people tend to ignore a lot of what hes saying because of that. Like ill tell people things in his book and theyll go oh where did you hear that ? David Ickes books? then just dismiss it because its him, mainly due to the reptillian/lizard thing, just the way it is. I dont see it being a big deal, some will say oh that reptillian guy or some would say that lizard guy, no difference really. Or as someone else said in the thread, thats him that claims he was God or said arran would sink.

Some people would rather live in ignorance though. Like my mum, I was telling her about 9/11 and shes like id rather beleive what ive been told, but part of her knows fine well but shed rather not beleive it. Sure icke quoted someone in one of his books saying "Dont bother me with the facts my minds already made up" some people would rather live in ignorance, at one point I was like that after reading satanist books and a lot of ickes books, wishing I didnt know all these terrible things but now im glad of it but it is hard when people say the god thing or the lizards/reptiles or even arran sinking. Some people just arent interested because they dont think it directly effects them.

[soulja]

It IS deceptive, and I base that statement on the reactions of many people to whom I have spoken about the loomies. Just doing my bit to help people see the danger we're headed toward, y'see...

The minute I say David's name, or mention his work, they say, "Oh yeah, that lizard guy, right?" Right there and then I have a much much larger barrier to overcome because some disinfo agents have already carelessly misquoted David and tainted the waters.

Effectively making it more difficult for us to get through to enough people.

Get it?



i experienced the same over and over again, the lizards are the instant killer of every attempt to awaken people.

[jack5]

I fail to see how David Icke can possibly drop his reptilian views.the reptilian agenda is central to his work , and the more you read and look into Davids work and join the dots the more credible his work appears.Carry on David expose the reptian reality!

[beldazar]

yes there is absolutely no doubt that things can get a little shakey once reptilians are mentioned. My mum said to me the other day that what I say sounds plausible until reps are mentioned. I also came a cropper at the dentist when I mentioned them too :D
But its like leaving out a big chunk of the story, not telling the whole 'truth' which in my opinion is wrong.

The more people who arent afraid of ridicule and talk about what they believe is so, the more likelihood it is to be accepted. If a person has heard several people mention reptilians instead of say, one or two, it would certainly get them thinking

[lost_in_translation]

It always annoys me when some no-mark on the internet say stuff like,

"Is it time for Icke to drop the lizard nonsense"

For one, clearly Icke doesn't think it's nonsense. He happens to believe our reality is being manipulated extra-dimensionally and he happens to believe that those manipulators have a reptilian aspect to them. He has every right to include this information in his work. NOBODY is obliged to believe it

Why should he dumb down his research and his information? Could you really respect him if he believed this, but chose not to say it, just so he could appeal to the lowest comon denominator?

We'd have another fucking Michael Moore on our hands if Icke started tailoring his information to appeal to those idiots who choose to label that which they can't understand, "nonsense"

I don't want someone like Icke being selective with his research. I want him to be sincere and honest, regardless if some people think it's "nonsense"

JamesK, my advice to you is to ignore the "nonsense" if you consider it so. But don't dictate to David Icke what he should and shouldn't talk about just because of your prejudices

You'll never write a book or have people pay to hear your research, but if you ever do THEN you can decide what's said.

And if it's so easy to get 99% of the people to vote for you, why don't YOU stand in the Haltemprice and Howdon by-election? Or is sitting on the internet calling things "nonsense" the extent of your involvement?

I only clicked on this thread because I thought the title had some bearing on reality. I didn't know some thick twat had just made it up

"I imagine that its this "lizards rule the world" label that has put him off"

Fortunately we have people doing proper research, we don't have to rely on some fucknut's imagination


i dont agree with the reptile thing 100 per cent either but if david has evidence then why should he turn his back on what he believes ,no man should fear what others think..

[tinmenace]

I dont think it makes a difference wether its lizards or reptillians both sound just as ridiculous to most people....

So you're speaking for most people then? This is the problem. The herd mentality.

I think that people should be given the opportunity to understand the information without the help of disinfo agents - that paint the picture differently to what it was intended. It's not up to the likes of you to decide what sounds ridiculous to other people. Let them find out for themselves without you completely ruining their opportunity to do so by misquoting David Icke.

Just because you think it is ridiculous doesn't give you the right to try make everyone else believe it too, with obvious bullshit tactics.

I mean OBVIOUS! ;)

[celtic isis]

i agree he should shout it from the rooftops,but not on this platform just yet

yeah i deffo feel that mr icke (i love calling him that :)) should talk about the rep stuff MORE but on a good platform where he'll be able to give a round up of what he means ie the bloodline, showing the connections throughthe bible, the symbolism, our serpentine connections in ancient symbolism, art, our own DNA, kundalini etc etc...

ah i really feel for him, he's got a huge task...also you guys finding it hard to wake people try Adam Curtis and his "Baby It's Cold Outside Dcoumentary" - It's top notch!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjY_E7bYDVw

shows how politicians used to give us dreams about the world, now they give us nightmares to keep us in fear and in the herd.

[element]

So you're speaking for most people then? This is the problem. The herd mentality.

I think that people should be given the opportunity to understand the information without the help of disinfo agents - that paint the picture differently to what it was intended. It's not up to the likes of you to decide what sounds ridiculous to other people. Let them find out for themselves without you completely ruining their opportunity to do so by misquoting David Icke.

Just because you think it is ridiculous doesn't give you the right to try make everyone else believe it too, with obvious bullshit tactics.

I mean OBVIOUS! ;)


He is right about it. Majority of the people will think your insane. You know what, you make the questions and ask them to 200 different persons on the street.

So let's talk about this shapeshifting? How do you see it possible? Just a illusionary hallucination or does the body of a person completely changes into reptile (organs, dna etc).

[kevstodd]

to the unbelievers
do your own research and then say the reps dont exist !!.it's not just icke that understands where we come from ie Atlantis-MU (for instance), i found that if you tell people the true history of where we come from (the big book of pictures version LOL)and explain the r-complex of the brain and show them a picture ! people tend to drop there barriers a little, and then reptilians thing wont seem that crazy when introduced.
i know that its an up hill struggle but real research has been done by many, not just icke and its up to us to find a way of getting the message across whatever people think as icke has and is doing his bit:).
people are that asleep even the so called awoken thought that icke wanted to be an mp LOL! .
and again anyone (AWOKEN OR NOT!) that does not believe in reptilians, READ MORE AND RESEARCH and you will find the truth. as icke'y say's "seek the truth and the truth shall set you free" .that quote is soooooooooo true !!
peace and good luck on your journey's of enlightenment

[duckingdafta]

So let's talk about this shapeshifting? How do you see it possible? Just a illusionary hallucination or does the body of a person completely changes into reptile (organs, dna etc).

:mad thought: isn't evolution wonderful ... how lizards change colour, and fish change shape, some birds fly, many have weird abilities through this process. now this could be down to manipulation of DNA over centuries that have suppressed the ability in many to see frequency changes take place, and some are able to, this is going on a theory of they don't actually change physically, it's like an energy frequency held around them to be human looking to those few that have abilities to see them.
weird thinking, but we are only now finding caves never discovered yet they know they are already the largest in the world and creatures discovered living in the most unlikely of places... ask yourself, If you had the knowledge of centuries and knew humans will eat anything tasty or war with it if intellectual, would you hide and control your life's survival from a cave.
there is a famous national radio presenter who says these lines:
"You are this fish that learnt to walk,
You are the monkey that learnt to talk,"

doesn't give you any answers, only makes you question yourself

[phaid]

I also came a cropper at the dentist when I mentioned them too :D


'All your wisdom teeth are coming out now, no anaesthetic either!'
:D

[element]

:mad thought: isn't evolution wonderful ... how lizards change colour, and fish change shape, some birds fly, many have weird abilities through this process. now this could be down to manipulation of DNA over centuries that have suppressed the ability in many to see frequency changes take place, and some are able to, this is going on a theory of they don't actually change physically, it's like an energy frequency held around them to be human looking to those few that have abilities to see them.
weird thinking, but we are only now finding caves never discovered yet they know they are already the largest in the world and creatures discovered living in the most unlikely of places... ask yourself, If you had the knowledge of centuries and knew humans will eat anything tasty or war with it if intellectual, would you hide and control your life's survival from a cave.
there is a famous national radio presenter who says these lines:
"You are this fish that learnt to walk,
You are the monkey that learnt to talk,"

doesn't give you any answers, only makes you question yourself

Ehrrr I don't get all of that.:confused:
I don't see evolution as a fact anyway. Only soul evolution, material is questionable.
I'm not ruling aliens out, or reptilians for that matter. But how do you see it possible changing from a human with human organs etc, changing to a reptile with scales, reptile eyes, all of that. All in the blink of an eye! Many claims are not said to be outside matter so I wonder.

[beldazar]

hehe, Ive lost them already, too many sweets! :D

[whiterain]

i dont know why anyone would feel the need to mention reps at all. its just gonna put people off all your ideas. i fully believe in interdimensional beings but i feel our higher selves are just as much in control of this world as any reptilian entities. if you do have to add the reps into any seeds you are spreading you could talk about the reptilian brain and how it explains the elites behaviour. link this to inbreeding and if they have kept their genes more reppy then it explains their detachment from our reality and values. also be good to mention that if anyone believes in reincarnation and past lives then maybe one of them was as a reptile and the memories stick with that person. also add that if you follow evolution theory all mammals have developed from reptiles anyway so there is bound to be some similarity/genetic memory left over

[whiterain]

why focus on who or what is enslaving us rather than how we can unite (even with them if necessary) in order to realise oneness and how much better it would be for everyone if we wernt all trying to work against each other

[dmt head]

So you're speaking for most people then? This is the problem. The herd mentality.

I think that people should be given the opportunity to understand the information without the help of disinfo agents - that paint the picture differently to what it was intended. It's not up to the likes of you to decide what sounds ridiculous to other people. Let them find out for themselves without you completely ruining their opportunity to do so by misquoting David Icke.

Just because you think it is ridiculous doesn't give you the right to try make everyone else believe it too, with obvious bullshit tactics.

I mean OBVIOUS! ;)





Yes I speak for most people thats right :rolleyes: You pick the smallest thing from my post and try take that apart, look most people DO think its ridiculous when they first hear of ickes ideas about shapeshifters, most people wont go look for themselves will they ?? Most people dont need me to help them come to their own conclsions I think most people will come to the conclusion that its ridiculous without even looking into it, theyll just dismiss him because of the lizard thing, or oh should that be reptillian ? Think either way most people are going to find it ridiculous. Dont know where your from but most people I meet in my daily life will think its ridiculous, just the way it is. And im ruining their oppurttunity by saying lizards rather than reptiles?? Think reptillians is just as ridiculous to most people dont you think? And I dont think the lizards are ridiculous I actually beleive in them, I think ive actually seen a few. You seem to be wanting to argue for arguments sake over the bloody word lizards, as ive said before the majority of people will just laugh at the shapeshifting thing be it lizards or reptiles dont know how you cant see that and I should know I am their spokesperson!

[redhead]

See the Icke headlines page for the reason there will be no debate...controlled opposition springs to mind


http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/14317/82/

[weareinfinitelove]

Yes people can and do disregard everything when they here that "reptilians or reptilian hybrids are covertly controlling the human race" as it is so so far from there reality.

A previous post that stated that many politicians are Christians and believe in things that could be seen equally as ridiculous if societies norms of what is sane and insane changed was fantastic.

I think that David Icke has to follow his heart, and if he really believes in/KNOWS what he is saying he has to be true to himself and say it like it is.
I feel he is perhaps trying to show people how different reality is from our perception of it. (Often controlled/suggested/manipulated/helped along by the elite or PTB to forward their agenda)

When people see this is true, which is easier than cutting straight to "the lizards" then people can probably accept this and other things that are going on which are so far from what reality is SHOWN as on tv- much easier.

I think he's leading people to the way of thinking that things are not as they seem. In fact very different indeed. And I saw this at his lecture. I guess it's what many people need.

[duckingdafta]

See the Icke headlines page for the reason there will be no debate...controlled opposition springs to mind


Election Update 4th. July (http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/14317/82/)

I have to say about that article.. this line here: "The Hart Group is a classic Illuminati bloodline operation"

Not all the 'Harts' know about their family bloodline and some were taken from the cult of Mormonism.. I know this for a fact, she's sat in my front room & going to have my 4th kid due 23rd.July.
though the repercussions of getting involved can take your life in an attempt to ruin you at every opportunity...

[revolutionary_jam]

i think he doesn't want to do it because it will not be worth the publicity for david davis, it would only be free publicity for david icke, davis doesn't see any personal benefit for his campaign in doing it... why would he want to debate who he considers to be "a nutter" most likely

[kweli]

Yes I speak for most people thats right :rolleyes: You pick the smallest thing from my post and try take that apart, look most people DO think its ridiculous when they first hear of ickes ideas about shapeshifters, most people wont go look for themselves will they ?? Most people dont need me to help them come to their own conclsions I think most people will come to the conclusion that its ridiculous without even looking into it, theyll just dismiss him because of the lizard thing, or oh should that be reptillian ? Think either way most people are going to find it ridiculous. Dont know where your from but most people I meet in my daily life will think its ridiculous, just the way it is. And im ruining their oppurttunity by saying lizards rather than reptiles?? Think reptillians is just as ridiculous to most people dont you think? And I dont think the lizards are ridiculous I actually beleive in them, I think ive actually seen a few. You seem to be wanting to argue for arguments sake over the bloody word lizards, as ive said before the majority of people will just laugh at the shapeshifting thing be it lizards or reptiles dont know how you cant see that and I should know I am their spokesperson!

I think you're right. But, If DI continues to answer questions regarding shapeshifting lizards/reptiles the was he did in his recent radio interview with Alex Jones, then all will be well. credit where it's due, he handled it perfectly IMO. Very reassuring.

[duckingdafta]

you have to LOL at this line on the headline page"David will be speaking for an hour and a half and taking questions"
.. David, you know we love and admire your work, which is why we all know you CAN'T answer a question in 1.5.hours.

[revolutionary_jam]

you have to LOL at this line on the headline page
.. David, you know we love and admire your work, which is why we all know you CAN'T answer a question in 1.5.hours.


HAHAHHAHAHA SOOOOO TRUE!!!

I wish he could be more succinct in answering callers etc. he only ever gets to answer 2

[whiterain]

yeah i guess the positive aspect of icke talking about the reptilian thing is that he simply does it so well. weve all got pre conceived ideas of what a 'mad' person seems like and for me it was linked to incoherence, rambling, random outbursts etc. when you see someone so well spoken, calm (at times), coherent and seemingly well rounded then it just rings bells. thats what got me. i was just like why is this guy who is obviously quite intelligent and not a typical loon talking about such out there concepts. then i figured it strange how people are so vehemently against alot of the ideas. this led to thinking well if there is some force/group out there controlling us who wanted to be kept hidden, they would make out the truth to be the most ridiculous story out there and program us to violently dismiss it. after all its only a small step away from most major religions ideas

[celtic isis]

Yes I speak for most people thats right :rolleyes: You pick the smallest thing from my post and try take that apart, look most people DO think its ridiculous when they first hear of ickes ideas about shapeshifters, most people wont go look for themselves will they ?? Most people dont need me to help them come to their own conclsions I think most people will come to the conclusion that its ridiculous without even looking into it, theyll just dismiss him because of the lizard thing, or oh should that be reptillian ? Think either way most people are going to find it ridiculous. Dont know where your from but most people I meet in my daily life will think its ridiculous, just the way it is. And im ruining their oppurttunity by saying lizards rather than reptiles?? Think reptillians is just as ridiculous to most people dont you think? And I dont think the lizards are ridiculous I actually beleive in them, I think ive actually seen a few. You seem to be wanting to argue for arguments sake over the bloody word lizards, as ive said before the majority of people will just laugh at the shapeshifting thing be it lizards or reptiles dont know how you cant see that and I should know I am their spokesperson!

:D

maybe you can try 'serpentine' instead :)

hehe well said dmt head, and you're totally right.

i do see it from tinmenace's point too to say lizards, well they aren't 'lizards' in the most basic sense of the word...maybe to see it's a blue blood thing, explain that we all have reptilian DNA, a reptilian part of the brain even and that all throughout our ancient history there is this serpentine blue blood red carpet elite monarchy who have always ruled and still do up to this day...not lizards or reps in the joe public sense of the word...but that even in the bible there are references to this other 'bloodline'...sons of the serpent stuff...i know it's tough going!!!

but yeah tinmenace, why so aggressive? You don't need to be!

dmt head isn't a disinfo agent!!! surely his/her name alone would tell you that!!!

obviously a clued up person. But the fact is what dmt head is saying is true - people don't need you to say lizards, reptiles, they have already made up their minds via the media.

We can try and ease them in by showing them the coiled serpent references and symbolism, and the bloodline links...but most will just laugh it all off as rubbish.

i'll go find the thread where i did a half arsed attempt at this lol to show the coiled serpent/DNA sumbolism...

hang on to yer tails...:D


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24766


see this coiled serpent/DNA stuff is class! Also pointing out to people that this is the very symbol (emblem) the medical and pharmaceutical profession use to this very day...also the WHO World Health Organisation logo...they can really go wow if they see that this logo had to come from somewhere!!!

[celtic isis]

The minute I say David's name, or mention his work, they say, "Oh yeah, that lizard guy, right?" Right there and then I have a much much larger barrier to overcome because some disinfo agents have already carelessly misquoted David and tainted the waters.





the biggest disinfo agent being david icke himself then seeing as it was he who began to talk about the reptilian possibilty before he had researched it enough, DI being DI, he puts it as he finds, which is extremely admirable...but remember it wasn't any of us who put the damn rep thing out there in the first place!!!

Of course he has been misquoted, i have tediously pointed this out so many times to the most arrogant of people...but the fact is, he started it, and the media ran with it.

And now we have to pick up the pieces.

[duckingdafta]

the biggest disinfo agent being david icke himself then seeing as it was he who began to talk about the reptilian possibility before he had researched it enough, DI being DI, he puts it as he finds, which is extremely admirable...but remember it wasn't any of us who put the damn rep thing out there in the first place!!!
Of course he has been misquoted, i have tediously pointed this out so many times to the most arrogant of people...but the fact is, he started it, and the media ran with it.

And now we have to pick up the pieces.

As far as I remember from an old radio broadcast I heard, It was John Rhodes who was the first...sometime in the eighties...you are correct, people should just get over it and/or do some research not shoot the messenger

[celtic isis]

As far as I remember from an old radio broadcast I heard, It was John Rhodes who was the first...sometime in the eighties...you are correct, people should just get over it and/or do some research not shoot the messenger

ah yeah, i don't mean the first person to talk about this subject :) whoops, i mean concerning DI, he made the choice HIMSELF to put THIS out there in HIS work...of course there are many researchers and scientists etc who talk about this subject also...in fact i was amazed to see how many there actually are while looking on amazon for a book the other night, have to put their names here so we can reference them too!!!

Misquoted or not, DI did and does call them reptilian, which is the same really as lizard...before the disinfo agents got wind of it he had already labelled them as such.

just to add...DI uses 'reptilian' as a general term for the bloodline elite, interdimensional or not...of course, we know and understand what is involved in this term 'reptilian', but the average person doesn't, they see reptilian, they think reptilian!!!

[noobcybot]

I will mention again that I have met him a few times and he is a self-important douche ( he tried to convince me the war in Iraq was not anything for us to worry about and was not really about oil , this was at the start of it).
I do believe he is however, not an evil man in any way and that his protests are genuine and deserve credit.
He will simply not talk to Icke because of how Icke is seen here in England. My dad thought he was a nutter in the eighties, and nearly everyone did. In hindsight he has shown to be more credible and have more moral fibre than nearly all our politicians at the moment. I feel, for some reason however, that although most still think hes nuts, the case will swing in David Ickes favour very soon.

[shane]

In response to the OP, no the reason DD refused to debate is because he is a Government shyster and this "rebellion" is one big PR stunt to further discredit Gordon Brown and Labour and make the Conservatives look acceptable.

To hell with Davis.

[tinmenace]

Yes I speak for most people thats right :rolleyes: You pick the smallest thing from my post and try take that apart, look most people DO think its ridiculous when they first hear of ickes ideas about shapeshifters, most people wont go look for themselves will they ?? Most people dont need me to help them come to their own conclsions I think most people will come to the conclusion that its ridiculous without even looking into it, theyll just dismiss him because of the lizard thing, or oh should that be reptillian ? Think either way most people are going to find it ridiculous. Dont know where your from but most people I meet in my daily life will think its ridiculous, just the way it is. And im ruining their oppurttunity by saying lizards rather than reptiles?? Think reptillians is just as ridiculous to most people dont you think? And I dont think the lizards are ridiculous I actually beleive in them, I think ive actually seen a few. You seem to be wanting to argue for arguments sake over the bloody word lizards, as ive said before the majority of people will just laugh at the shapeshifting thing be it lizards or reptiles dont know how you cant see that and I should know I am their spokesperson!



Ugh! Whatevva dude :rolleyes: There's just no getting through...so whatevva...

Bottom line is that you don't have to believe in the reptilians if you don't want to, but don't misquote the man either.

Don't deny other people a clean slate on which to make up THEIR OWN MINDS without you and other just like you (you all know who you are) tainting their perceptions. By doing so, you're no better than the loomies, because that's all they do...manipulate perceptions.

That's all I'm saying. Nothing more, nothing less.


You have no right to manipulate people's perceptions....let them find out for themselves without you throwing a spanner in the works, just because YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT (so nobody else has a right to believe it either, eh?).

It's all so typical of disinfo agents.

;)

[dmt head]

As you said, whatever! Didnt realise saying the word lizard would be so offensive to some and what is it I dont beleive? Think your a bit highly strung, seems like a waste of time and energy tbh ive explained myself and yet you still come back talking shite, I do beleive in reptillians, im 99% certain ive seen some so what is it you think I dont beleive? Go gimme a laugh!

[beldazar]

yes shane, I agree, I can see that now! :mad:
Its ok though, DI has had loads of publicity so something good will come of it

by the way tinmenace, dmt head doesnt not believe in the reps if you read through the thread again, slight misinterpretation going on there methinks :)

[juddfinn]

Is it time for David Icke to drop the "lizards rule the world" nonsense? .......... If you take 100 people, tell them in the most persuasive way possible that "lizards rule the world", you'll get very little interest. A few may believe you for a while, but most will soon leave thinking that you are a nutter.

David Davis see no benefit to debating WITH David Icke. He is a What's-in-it-for-me politician firt and foremost. But it's good to expose that, so David Icke wins whatever.

The great Alex Jones (who has been very critical of the reptilian stuff) said on his Radio Show this week (in an interview with David Icke) that he agreed with about 99% of what Icke says and may even agree with the last 1% soon the way things are going (as more and more bizaar stuff comes out)... in Alex's own words "If YOU don't believe in otherworld entities - (Icke has NEVER said "Lizards") - that is your reality, but the 'elites' DO believe in them and think they can channel them and get power from them".

So, it's not so much that Icke includes that in his writings that is the problem, but that the 'elites' (the NWO, illuminati, or whatever) fully include that in THEIR rituals, beliefs and how they conduct themselves. That is the best answer to give ANYBODY who finds it a stumbling block in Icke's work.

Sure, I have had people hit on that aspect straight away as a means to invalidate all the conspiracy information (or defend their own MIND, as any change brings upset). But, then you handle it by Skilful Means.

Remember ALL people have some pretty far-out thoughts and ideas about life they just made up themselves outta nowhere, if you'd probe long enough ... though mention of anthing about "Reptile Entity" is a 'bridge to far' for some folks, whatever else you say.

"The Lizards" , "Icke is a Jew Hater" and the "He said he was The Son Of Bog" thing will always come up... You just gotta combat it one way or another. Skilful Means.

As an update: David Davis MP is looking less and less "principled" in his "stand against Big Brother" as all the dodgy politicos who are pledging their support and who he associates with (and their backgrounds that Icke is revealing) all comes out of the woodwork.

I think David Icke's decision to stand is really reaping many dividends in exposing what is really going on (on all levels)...

... and to think a few members doubted him on this forum in the beginning too!

[kevstodd]

The one thing everyone HAS to remember is that if it wasn't for DI talking about the reps and the blood lines he wouldn't have got the publicity that he received GOOD OR BAD and we would probably not be awake discussing this now !!
Remember everything happens for a reason and the people ARE waking up and looks like its accelerating ;)

[astro zombie]

It always annoys me when some no-mark on the internet say stuff like,

"Is it time for Icke to drop the lizard nonsense"

For one, clearly Icke doesn't think it's nonsense. He happens to believe our reality is being manipulated extra-dimensionally and he happens to believe that those manipulators have a reptilian aspect to them. He has every right to include this information in his work. NOBODY is obliged to believe it

Why should he dumb down his research and his information? Could you really respect him if he believed this, but chose not to say it, just so he could appeal to the lowest comon denominator?

We'd have another fucking Michael Moore on our hands if Icke started tailoring his information to appeal to those idiots who choose to label that which they can't understand, "nonsense"

I don't want someone like Icke being selective with his research. I want him to be sincere and honest, regardless if some people think it's "nonsense"

JamesK, my advice to you is to ignore the "nonsense" if you consider it so. But don't dictate to David Icke what he should and shouldn't talk about just because of your prejudices

You'll never write a book or have people pay to hear your research, but if you ever do THEN you can decide what's said.

And if it's so easy to get 99% of the people to vote for you, why don't YOU stand in the Haltemprice and Howdon by-election? Or is sitting on the internet calling things "nonsense" the extent of your involvement?

I only clicked on this thread because I thought the title had some bearing on reality. I didn't know some thick twat had just made it up

"I imagine that its this "lizards rule the world" label that has put him off"

Fortunately we have people doing proper research, we don't have to rely on some fucknut's imagination


Wow. Thank you for taking the time to talk some common sense.:cool:

[aznality]

There is nothing wrong with telling the truth. Why censor it?

[celtic isis]

The one thing everyone HAS to remember is that if it wasn't for DI talking about the reps and the blood lines he wouldn't have got the publicity that he received GOOD OR BAD and we would probably not be awake discussing this now !!
Remember everything happens for a reason and the people ARE waking up and looks like its accelerating ;)

you're right, that's what my partner says, it also protects him too perhaps from the PTB...as in having him snuffed.

[celtic isis]

As you said, whatever! Didnt realise saying the word lizard would be so offensive to some and what is it I dont beleive? Think your a bit highly strung, seems like a waste of time and energy tbh ive explained myself and yet you still come back talking shite, I do beleive in reptillians, im 99% certain ive seen some so what is it you think I dont beleive? Go gimme a laugh!

where did DMT head say he/she didn't believe in reptilians? :confused:

[joyful]

I think that the reason David Davis doesnt want to debate it with Icke is because Icke, like someone else has already said on here, would wipe the floor with him. David Davis does not want to discuss the bigger picture. He is a typical politician IN MY OPINION who will discuss only what is on HIS (and "their" agenda) and will discuss nothing more.

Could you elaborate rather than speak in a retard's WWF wrestling slang.

Whatever the agenda, David Davis doesn't want to haemorage publicity to Ickey.

[celtic isis]

Could you elaborate rather than speak in a retard's WWF wrestling slang.

Whatever the agenda, David Davis doesn't want to haemorage publicity to Ickey.

WWF retard's slang - now that's not very nice is it. :confused:

[orbandsceptre27]

One of the first men to bring the reptilians into mainstream consciousness was Bram Stoker, in his novel Dracula. (Note - The Draco Star system is the supposed home of the Reptilians. The Dog Star, or "Pole Star" is in the Draco System and revered by Christians all over the world as the light which guided the "three wisemen" to Jesus.) Stoker was a Freemason and belonged to Aleister Crowleys "Order of the Golden Dawn". Dracula was portrayed as one of the elite, a Count.

Many vampire films have hinted at this reptilian netherworld existence. The Lost Boys, Salems Lot, The Blade Trilogy and the 80`s tv mini-series V. According to Stewart Swerdlow, V is based on the supposed, Dulce base uprising (underground military base in New Mexico) which consisted of humans and reptilians joining forces to rebel against their controllers. According to Tom Castello, now considered dead, Dulce is one of many underground military installations which exist in the U.S.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GccknBnFfTk

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=U4za6dhBUhw

[jamesk]

Well, the results are in and a man as well known as David Icke, who has been writing about Big Brother for over 10 years, getting 110 votes out of 24,000 in a election, who's central theme was Big Brother, tells its own story.

I said initially that if you talk about "lizards ruling the workd" and the Royal Family shape shifting into 9 ft lizards then you'd get 1% of the public believing you. In actual fact less the 1/2 percent voted for the lizards theory.

I think that the results have given us all a crystal clear message - "drop the lizards" business, no body takes it seriously, no body believes it. I hope that David Icke gets this message.

From David Davis's perspective, its a good job that he didn't accept the debate with Icke, otherwise he might have lost most of those 17,000 votes that he got by association with the "lizards ruling the world" nonesense.

We all know that David Icke is a great speaker, very persusive, highly intelligent, witty and so on, but I think that he really needs to clean up his message, otherwise even the 110 people that voted for him will want to take their vote back!

[steevo]

Could you elaborate rather than speak in a retard's WWF wrestling slang.



You're the "retard" around here.

[beldazar]

err...jamesk did you actually watch his interview then? He didnt mention lizards did he?
Oh, and when you say 'nobody believes it' Im not a nobody thanks!

Why dont you go and do some campaigning then, since you seem to be the expert on it! :mad:

[duckingdafta]

I said initially that if you talk about "lizards ruling the workd" and the Royal Family shape shifting into 9 ft lizards then you'd get 1% of the public believing you. In actual fact less the 1/2 percent voted for the lizards theory.
!

funny how you can tell a lot with all your comments, mainly the fact you haven't heard, watched or read the Talk David did in Hull and are out to cause trouble and also the statements plagiarised from newspapers as to 9 foot lizards and such forth... get back into supporting the 'Shadow Suits' and kissing buts of bureaucrats

[earthsong]

JamesK

You are a conditioned moron! Sorry but it has to be said... What a narrow-minded mess you are indeed! You have been conditioned to 'bite your tongue' and not think for yourself.

No insult intended hey! Listen......

4 years ago a friend passed me David Icke's books to read. He told me that I'd find them very interesting and that it exposes the royals and other world leaders as shape-shifting reptilians. I pretended to be interested but I never opened those books. Like you, I was a conditioned moron!

Then, 4 years later.... a few months ago, my son called me from New York where he lives... He sounded 'different'....very content and happy actually. We talked for a few hours and then he told me about the books he'd been reading recently... (David Icke has a lot of supporters in New York) and they were 'The Biggest Secret', 'Children of the Matrix', 'Infinite Love...' etc. by David Icke. I remembered that name from my old friend... so I immediately said "Oh! That guy's a nutcase... he thinks the royal family are reptiles. Don't read his books!" My son very calmly said " Mum... there's a lot of truth in what this man has to say. I believe what he's written and I think you should read his work before you dismiss him in that insulting way!" I was in the dog house for sure!... So I ordered a couple of books from David Icke to read before making any further judgements and because I was worried about the information my son was absorbing. I read 'The Biggest Secret', 'Tales of the Time Loop' and 'Infinite Love....' I am a fast reader..... and it was only after reading the latter book 'Infinite Love.... Everything else is Illusion' did it all fall in to place for me. I knew I was reading truth. I also listened to a few of the lectures and read a lot of stuff on the website.

I realised very quickly after doing my research on him... that David is a very genuine man. He would never torture himself like this if he wasn't. This man is ridiculed constantly... Imagine how that must feel to have to grow a thick skin and carry on regardlessly because you were chosen to make this information available to other human beings! It takes a very strong person indeed! He doesn't have to do this work actually... He is not doing it for the money...You don't see him living like a king lording over everyone on the Isle of Wight! He lives like a normal bloke... and if he was doing this work for any other reason... he would drop the 'lizard thing' (your words). The very fact that he keeps on and on and on about the reptilian agenda, despite the adversity he has to face daily.... is proof enough that this man knows exactly what he is saying and he knows exactly what the agenda is trying to do. The hard part is convincing the likes of us conditioned morons.... Look! What David Icke does, nobody else could do better. He was meant to do this work to try and wake people up... And the task has been made even harder because of brain-dead morons like Terry Wogan mis-interpreting a genuine man's spiritual experience and ridiculing him in front of millions of people... effectively brain-washing them against him... me and a million others included! How would you feel if that happened to you? Surely if David Icke wasn't DAVID ICKE he would have disappeared by now and enjoyed a quiet life somewhere sipping tea in front of Coronation Street!

I just count my blessings that my son brought me to the realisation through David's work that we have to really work hard now and get this message across and be like David in doing so... thick skinned! Remember... hindsight is a wonderful thing JamesK! Everything David Icke said years ago is happening now.... surely that fact alone says it all!

My own father worked in politics before he died... He was Michael Howard's 'friend'... and my ex worked in the House of Lords and had a few stories to tell that would make your hair curl! Margaret Thatcher's little 'bottle-a-day' whisky habit is just one thing that springs to mind. We don't know the half of what our 'leaders' are about. We only know what they want us to know through the media.

David Davis is quite a good actor... but having had a father like him and knowing a few things about these slime balls, I see right through him and he ain't a very nice person! On the other hand, there's David Icke... a normal bloke with no airs or graces.... exposing himself once again to public ridicule... not because he enjoys the ridicule.. but because that's what he does for us.

We are so conditioned in the UK.... Just have the intelligence to look at the wider picture for once and think outside the box.... I'm glad I did. And quite frankly...if any of my friends decides to avoid me or think I'm mad.... because I am a great supporter of David Icke and believe totally in the reptilitan agenda... then that's fine by me. I'll stand alone with my son!

We are surrounded by deceit, greed...lies! The truth makes a very refreshing change...like sparling water on a hot day!

[steevo]

Thanks for posting that Earthsong. I enjoyed reading it whilst eating my tea. I found it a pleasant and relaxing little read :)

[beldazar]

Earthsong, that is the best post I have read on this forum to date!

You are so lucky to have a family member beside you on this, I hope one day I will too!

[jamesk]

err...jamesk did you actually watch his interview then? He didnt mention lizards did he?

He needs to make a clear statement distancing himself from the "shape shifting lizards from outer space" crap. Not talking about it on an interview doesn't mean anything, he needs to admit or accept that he was misled/setup by Arizona Wilder's handlers.


Oh, and when you say 'nobody believes it' Im not a nobody thanks!

Right, so you seriously believe that half a million years ago lizards from outer space (from the draco constelation) flew to a speck of dust that they then called earth, then decided to manufacture robotic slaves that they called humans, so that in half a million years time, with the help surveilance cameras, ID cards, micro chips and databases they could impose a Big Brother facist society on the humans/slaves that they manufactured in test tubes, and have ruled over for half a million years by means of lizards disguised as shape shifting humans called the Royal Families, who periodically revert to the 9 ft lizard state and eat the humans for fun; and the Royals, being wealthy, enables them to ensure that they have a regular supply of humans/slaves, particularly babies to eat.

Well, if you do believe this, then good luck to you - but you'll have a job trying to persuade everyone else to believe the same (except for the 0.45%).

[largejack]

Thanks for posting that Earthsong. I enjoyed reading it whilst eating my tea. I found it a pleasant and relaxing little read :)


But not in front of Coronation Street, I hope:D

Yes, earthsong couldn't have put it any better.

[duckingdafta]

Man Alive, Wake the F**K! UP! ..you're not even reading/answering the quotes you're using now!

[steevo]

But not in front of Coronation Street, I hope:D



Definitely not :D
I dont watch tv anymore. I occasionally switch it on for a footy match but not much else these days. I use it for my dvd's too.

[largejack]

He needs to make a clear statement distancing himself from the "shape shifting lizards from outer space" crap. Not talking about it on an interview doesn't mean anything, he needs to admit or accept that he was misled/setup by Arizona Wilder's handlers.



Right, so you seriously believe that half a million years ago lizards from outer space (from the draco constelation) flew to a speck of dust that they then called earth, then decided to manufacture robotic slaves that they called humans, so that in half a million years time, with the help surveilance cameras, ID cards, micro chips and databases they could impose a Big Brother facist society on the humans/slaves that they manufactured in test tubes, and have ruled over for half a million years by means of lizards disguised as shape shifting humans called the Royal Families, who periodically revert to the 9 ft lizard state and eat the humans for fun; and the Royals, being wealthy, enables them to ensure that they have a regular supply of humans/slaves, particularly babies to eat.

Well, if you do believe this, then good luck to you - but you'll have a job trying to persuade everyone else to believe the same (except for the 0.45%).

The reason they get away with it for thousands of years and still do.

But of course our children get taught at school, that a God in mans image created the universe, that a man walked on water, turned water into wine, parted the dead sea, etc, etc, etc, and wrote 10 commandments on stone slabs in a posh accent sent by a flash of fire from heaven, and St Peter plays the harp outside the pearly gates to those who have spent their whole lives terrified and subdued by an all encompassing, vengeful, and yet 'loving' God... Need I go on. Then they move onto another subject telling them that the universe was created by a Big Bang, and nothing exists in this whole universe apart from on a tiny planet that's like a grain of sand on the earth . It's hilarious, and they say we're mad???

And it's fine and proper and conditioned to believe this, but not other dimensional entities who mostly, but not always take on a reptilian form, and manipulate, shadow and possess our world leaders, and those they manipulate into positions of power. Come on man what you say is double standards and hypocricy.

But of course something like 50 % believe that because they have been conditioned to believe what these controllers want them to believe, and they say a few can't control the many. it makes me laugh!

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance" ALBERT 'FECKING' EINSTEIN!!!!!!!!!

[beldazar]

yes I do actually jamesk, Ive done enough research thanks!
Of course people dont believe straight away, now that would be silly, but if they can be bothered to check the evidence thoroughly enough.....:rolleyes:

Stop making a dick of yourself here!

[Ian2day]

Why has Icke, or anyone from his team. Never pm'd me, about my encounter with a Reptillian. All I can conclude, is that it is a false memory. Designed to discredit any claim of Intellectual Property theft I make. I have knowledge of more than one aspect of the conspiracy. A convergence has taken place in my life. I can't explain how, or why, it just has. There comes a point when you have to accept that everyone is just a tool of the system. I think I have reached that point.

[jamesk]

Thanks for the personal complements!

One thing you can guarrantee on this forum is that you'll get plenty of personal abuse, even from perfectly polite persons like yourself. May be some of that shape shifting stuff is actually true! I bet that if the 110 people that voted for Icke were to get together, they'd soon be dishing their own shit on each other.

I'm actually well acquainted with David Icke's work, and have read all his books, except the last one. This is page that I wrote about 911/WTC that you might like to read:
http://detoxifynow.com/911.html


You say that your son is happier. Is he really? I somehow find that hard to believe, as most of the readers I know (from their posts here and in the old davidickeforum) are paranoid and very, very unhappy. They think that the entire world is against them. They seem convinced that lizards and big brother is watching them, enslaving them and doing all sorts of terrible things to them everywhere they go. For eample, a guy called Ciggy in the old forum, a very intelligent man, who made some 10,000 posts used to have this fear of people in "jack boots" coming to his house and take him away.

Your comment "I'll stand alone with my son" says a lot about your attitude. I too would support my son, mind, but I know that the world is not against him.

In the Irish refereendum, one man that led it persuaded the majority of the public to say "No", against all odds, against all the advice from all the businesses, all the media, all the political parties, all the constant fear mongering and warnings about serious repurcussions for saying no.

How many people do you think he would have persuaded if he talked about or was associated with "the Queen transforming into a 9ft lizard and eating live human babies?"

In terms of hindsight, everything that is happening today was written about in Revelations you know.

I'm not saying that David Icke is not a genuine, honest person - however, his "shape shifting, baby eating royal lizards" stuff is not necessarily the best way to go about persuading the general public.



JamesK

You are a conditioned moron! Sorry but it has to be said... What a narrow-minded mess you are indeed! You have been conditioned to 'bite your tongue' and not think for yourself.

No insult intended hey! Listen......

4 years ago a friend passed me David Icke's books to read. He told me that I'd find them very interesting and that it exposes the royals and other world leaders as shape-shifting reptilians. I pretended to be interested but I never opened those books. Like you, I was a conditioned moron!

Then, 4 years later.... a few months ago, my son called me from New York where he lives... He sounded 'different'....very content and happy actually. We talked for a few hours and then he told me about the books he'd been reading recently... (David Icke has a lot of supporters in New York) and they were 'The Biggest Secret', 'Children of the Matrix', 'Infinite Love...' etc. by David Icke. I remembered that name from my old friend... so I immediately said "Oh! That guy's a nutcase... he thinks the royal family are reptiles. Don't read his books!" My son very calmly said " Mum... there's a lot of truth in what this man has to say. I believe what he's written and I think you should read his work before you dismiss him in that insulting way!" I was in the dog house for sure!... So I ordered a couple of books from David Icke to read before making any further judgements and because I was worried about the information my son was absorbing. I read 'The Biggest Secret', 'Tales of the Time Loop' and 'Infinite Love....' I am a fast reader..... and it was only after reading the latter book 'Infinite Love.... Everything else is Illusion' did it all fall in to place for me. I knew I was reading truth. I also listened to a few of the lectures and read a lot of stuff on the website.

I realised very quickly after doing my research on him... that David is a very genuine man. He would never torture himself like this if he wasn't. This man is ridiculed constantly... Imagine how that must feel to have to grow a thick skin and carry on regardlessly because you were chosen to make this information available to other human beings! It takes a very strong person indeed! He doesn't have to do this work actually... He is not doing it for the money...You don't see him living like a king lording over everyone on the Isle of Wight! He lives like a normal bloke... and if he was doing this work for any other reason... he would drop the 'lizard thing' (your words). The very fact that he keeps on and on and on about the reptilian agenda, despite the adversity he has to face daily.... is proof enough that this man knows exactly what he is saying and he knows exactly what the agenda is trying to do. The hard part is convincing the likes of us conditioned morons.... Look! What David Icke does, nobody else could do better. He was meant to do this work to try and wake people up... And the task has been made even harder because of brain-dead morons like Terry Wogan mis-interpreting a genuine man's spiritual experience and ridiculing him in front of millions of people... effectively brain-washing them against him... me and a million others included! How would you feel if that happened to you? Surely if David Icke wasn't DAVID ICKE he would have disappeared by now and enjoyed a quiet life somewhere sipping tea in front of Coronation Street!

I just count my blessings that my son brought me to the realisation through David's work that we have to really work hard now and get this message across and be like David in doing so... thick skinned! Remember... hindsight is a wonderful thing JamesK! Everything David Icke said years ago is happening now.... surely that fact alone says it all!

My own father worked in politics before he died... He was Michael Howard's 'friend'... and my ex worked in the House of Lords and had a few stories to tell that would make your hair curl! Margaret Thatcher's little 'bottle-a-day' whisky habit is just one thing that springs to mind. We don't know the half of what our 'leaders' are about. We only know what they want us to know through the media.

David Davis is quite a good actor... but having had a father like him and knowing a few things about these slime balls, I see right through him and he ain't a very nice person! On the other hand, there's David Icke... a normal bloke with no airs or graces.... exposing himself once again to public ridicule... not because he enjoys the ridicule.. but because that's what he does for us.

We are so conditioned in the UK.... Just have the intelligence to look at the wider picture for once and think outside the box.... I'm glad I did. And quite frankly...if any of my friends decides to avoid me or think I'm mad.... because I am a great supporter of David Icke and believe totally in the reptilitan agenda... then that's fine by me. I'll stand alone with my son!

We are surrounded by deceit, greed...lies! The truth makes a very refreshing change...like sparling water on a hot day!

[jamesk]

The reason they get away with it for thousands of years and still do.

No, that's not how it is - the theory as outlined is absurd. If I wanted to make creatures in test tubes so that I could eat them, why would I poison the environment that I put them in?

Why would I put them at the top of they food chain so that they are full of poisons when I eat them?


And it's fine and proper and conditioned to believe this, but not other dimensional entities who mostly, but not always take on a reptilian form, and manipulate, shadow and possess our world leaders, and those they manipulate into positions of power. Come on man what you say is double standards and hypocricy.


Talking about other dimensional entities, posession, demons is a different thing. As I said on this thread, the bible calls the Devil the ruler of this world, and the Devil is described as the Serpent. You'll find this belief amongst Jewish and Islamic people, as well as in many cultures other cultures, and demonic possession would be considered as possible in the majority of people.

But this is does not mean that the posessed person then shape shifts into a 9 ft lizard.

The question is this: Do you believe that the Queen transforms into a 9 ft lizard and eats live babies?

If you do, then most people would feel that you need help. You certainly won't get many votes.

[thirdwave]

I always say lizards whats the big deal? Dont think its disinfo I mean lizards are reptiles arent they? I dont think he has an agenda, do you really think jamesk has a suspicious agenda by saying bloody lizards??? :rolleyes: I think it probably is to do with the lizards :D plus as someone said on the other thread hed wipe the floor with him.

Well a lizard is an animal... there for if you say the world is run by lizards it is very strange... for example... a crocodile is a reptile.... a snake is a reptile... but both completely different... it just sounds like the person is trying to make the theory sound more far fetched than it is.

a frog is also a reptile.... so why is it because he called them reptiles is it automaticly a lizard?

a reptile is a DNA structure... there for when he says the elite of people with reptilian DNA... yada yada... it is different from saying Lizards...

[dmt head]

Well a lizard is an animal... there for if you say the world is run by lizards it is very strange... for example... a crocodile is a reptile.... a snake is a reptile... but both completely different... it just sounds like the person is trying to make the theory sound more far fetched than it is.

a frog is also a reptile.... so why is it because he called them reptiles is it automaticly a lizard?

a reptile is a DNA structure... there for when he says the elite of people with reptilian DNA... yada yada... it is different from saying Lizards...

Good point! Just force of habit saying lizards dont think im being a disinfo agent tho lol

[mercuryrapids]

A frog is an amphibian ;)

[thematrix]

No, that's not how it is - the theory as outlined is absurd. If I wanted to make creatures in test tubes so that I could eat them, why would I poison the environment that I put them in?

Why would I put them at the top of they food chain so that they are full of poisons when I eat them?

From what I have read on this thread James it sounds like you have missed the point. Or not understood the whole reptillian shapeshifting section of David Ickes research (or at the very least we have read the same things and understood them in different ways)


The question is this: Do you believe that the Queen transforms into a 9 ft lizard and eats live babies?

If you do, then most people would feel that you need help. You certainly won't get many votes.

Can you point out exactly where David says that "The Queen transforms into a 9ft Lizard and eats live babies"

I am not totally convinced about the Reptillian aspect of Davids work. I am 100% positive that David believes completely in all the information he shares with people. I am also positive that he did not come to his way of thinking about these things lightly.

I am 100% convinced that it is possible for entities to "shapeshift" - and I believe it's plausible that the Royal family as we know them might well now be "possessed" by such entities - or be such entities masquerading as humans.

As I understand it such sacrifice rituals are conducted for the reason of stealing the energy of the sacrifice. Why would 4th dimension based reptillian form entities be worried about poisons and what have you that only effect things in this 3 dimensonal vibrational illusion that we have all been conditioned to beleive is real??

everything that is happening today was written about in Revelations you know

Revelations was wrtten when and by who?

Who translated Revelations - from what original language? What credentials did that person hold? Are there dissenting translations that do not agree with the translation we read in todays popular English versions?

Is the translation we read today in English, even if you accept that the translation is 100% accurate - the language used is very symbolic and could be interpereted to read lots of different things.

I think Revelations is being "fulfilled" deliberately to mislead people into thinking these are "end times".

e.g. Revelations 13:17. It's widely accepted that this relates to barcodes, with each barcode using the two lines that also represent the number 6 as dividing lines at the beginning middle and end of the code.

Barcodes were "invented" long after the text to Revelation was written. Who is to say that this wasn't deliberate??

[Ian2day]

Why has Icke, or anyone from his team. Never pm'd me, about my encounter with a Reptillian. All I can conclude, is that it is a false memory. Designed to discredit any claim of Intellectual Property theft I make. I have knowledge of more than one aspect of the conspiracy. A convergence has taken place in my life. I can't explain how, or why, it just has. There comes a point when you have to accept that everyone is just a tool of the system. I think I have reached that point.

Is it just me or are my posts invisible? Or perhaps I place too much importance on what I know. Or think I know.

[earthsong]

You know something JamesK? You remind me very much of Terry Wogan.... You twist things around to suit your own agenda.

So... as you're posting here too.... are you the exception to the rule then? You state that we are people who are all 'paranoid'. Are we? Why are you here then? Do you like talking and debating with paranoid people? Does it make you feel superior?

Are you one of those people who thinks it's quite normal to have a 'royal family' living in such splendour that we all have to pay for... whilst there are others down the road living in cardboard boxes... in this day and age? Do you think Prince Charles a 'jolly good sport' for wishing he was a tampon in Camilla's vagina whilst married to Princess Diana? Do you think it's normal that a human being has to bow before another human being? Don't you think it's all just a little bit mad... all that dressing up... that pomp and ceremony! Or that they might just be a bit more German than British? Doesn't the entire 'royal' thing strike you as being quite odd? All those soldiers parading in front of a palace wearing big tall bear skins on their heads! All the Queens soldiers killing people in Iraq and Afghanistan! So why, if you believe and accept this kind of ritual and behaviour in your daily life.... can't you conceivably believe that the 'royals' are also capable of shape-shifting?

You have been brain-washed.....

[tinmenace]

You know something JamesK? You remind me very much of Terry Wogan.... You twist things around to suit your own agenda.

So... as you're posting here too.... are you the exception to the rule then? You state that we are people who are all 'paranoid'. Are we? Why are you here then? Do you like talking and debating with paranoid people? Does it make you feel superior?

Are you one of those people who thinks it's quite normal to have a 'royal family' living in such splendour that we all have to pay for... whilst there are others down the road living in cardboard boxes... in this day and age? Do you think Prince Charles a 'jolly good sport' for wishing he was a tampon in Camilla's vagina whilst married to Princess Diana? Do you think it's normal that a human being has to bow before another human being? Don't you think it's all just a little bit mad... all that dressing up... that pomp and ceremony! Or that they might just be a bit more German than British? Doesn't the entire 'royal' thing strike you as being quite odd? All those soldiers parading in front of a palace wearing big tall bear skins on their heads! All the Queens soldiers killing people in Iraq and Afghanistan! So why, if you believe and accept this kind of ritual and behaviour in your daily life.... can't you conceivably believe that the 'royals' are also capable of shape-shifting?

You have been brain-washed.....


Wow, great post!

[john white]

Interesting read

Of course Jamesk, where you've wasted your time is with the "What David Icke should do" part: becuase we all know Icke does exactly what he wants. Thats the freedom we are working towards nest pas?

So stop whinging about Icke and his reptiles (how too late is THAT?) and be your own man if your so sure that Icke not being like Icke is what Icke needs to be: lead by example!

Oh and dont dismiss that 0.45%. The fulcrum is always a point

[jamesk]

Can you point out exactly where David says that "The Queen transforms into a 9ft Lizard and eats live babies"


Read Arizona Wilders account in The Biggest Secret and the Video.

I am not totally convinced about the Reptillian aspect of Davids work. I am 100% positive that David believes completely in all the information he shares with people.

I don't believe that he does believe the 9ft lizard baby eating bit - he just reported what he was told.


I am 100% convinced that it is possible for entities to "shapeshift" - and I believe it's plausible that the Royal family as we know them might well now be "possessed" by such entities - or be such entities masquerading as humans.


Any one can be possessed - for example, there are people that believe that the entire German people were possessed by the Demonic forces behind Hitler and the Nazi's. If you note the typical, mindless, robotic way that the Nazi youth behaved, you may feel that there is some truth to this.

As for shape shifting to 9 ft lizards, it may be possible. I'd say that the odds of it happening are over a million to one, but yes i agree that it is possible. However, it is also possible that the Royals are NOT shapping shifting into 9 ft lizards, not eating babies and not doing all these nasty things they are accused of - and the odds of this possibility are not a trillion to one.

However, even if you strongly believe in the possibilty, is it necessary to try to persuade others to believe it? What is the benefit? You lose all credibility you know.

[duckingdafta]

<<<sits back and awaits the bible session.

[jamesk]

You state that we are people who are all 'paranoid'. Are we? Why are you here then? Do you like talking and debating with paranoid people?


Well, perhaps I should say that it seems to me that many of the people are experiencing paranoia, rather then are paranoid. Any one can experience paranoia you know, you just have to think along certain lines, believe certain things, focus on certain things, magnify certain things and there you are. You can also drop it when know the truth.

I talk to whoever I can help - paranoid, ill or normal.

Are you one of those people who thinks it's quite normal to have a 'royal family' living in such splendour that we all have to pay for... whilst there are others down the road living in cardboard boxes... in this day and age? Do you think Prince Charles a 'jolly good sport' for wishing he was a tampon in Camilla's vagina whilst married to Princess Diana? Do you think it's normal that a human being has to bow before another human being? Don't you think it's all just a little bit mad... all that dressing up... that pomp and ceremony! Or that they might just be a bit more German than British? Doesn't the entire 'royal' thing strike you as being quite odd? All those soldiers parading in front of a palace wearing big tall bear skins on their heads! All the Queens soldiers killing people in Iraq and Afghanistan! So why, if you believe and accept this kind of ritual and behaviour in your daily life.... can't you conceivably believe that the 'royals' are also capable of shape-shifting?

You have been brain-washed.....

So this is what's behind it all - jealousy, greed, an inverted form of snobbery and hatred?

This same mentality was behind communism you know. After the death of Rasputin, who was a kind of a protector for the Tsars (the Russian Royals, cousins of Victoria), they killed every last member of the Royal family. They then went about destroying Russia, killing countless millions and enslaving everyon else. They are only now emerging from it. The same happened in China.

Britain was built by the Royal Family, and though I don't agree with the US invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, the British soldiers there are fighting for British interests. The soldiers didn't start the war, and I don't believe that the "Queens soldiers" are killing innocents - it's the Americans that are doing that.

Theres more comments about the Royals in the "Prince Phillip" thread:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26251

[duckingdafta]

hatred? that's and ego state that someone actually gives a shit...albeit not the desired one.

[smariot]

If I were to say 'I believe in myself', 'I believe in David Icke', or 'I believe in humanity', I wouldn't be saying that I believe these things exist, I would be saying I trusted them. I don't really think reptilians are trust worthy.

[drael]

Why would anyone want "credibility"? To do so is to sell out everything valuable or meaningful in ones ideas.

What the mainstream will beleive, is simply what ever is sold the best and also what is already "accepted". As such, any path of this nature, will result, in supreme dumbness of an unearthly magnitude.

Our society is stuck. Democracy isnt going to save u, its very slow, very limited and power driven. Maybe change a policy here or there, but its still gonna be a crap sandwich overall.

Im not huge on reptiles, but its viable. I think the i am jesus thing is _very_ cool. Prolly gets him more press and attention for his books which is a better platform for new thinking than politics.

Actually considering how much attention that may have got him...maybe he should push it harder, or new radical ideas? He could start speaking in koans or wearing a silver jumpsuit....Everyone(ish) noticed britney when she shaved her head ...Of course its a fine line lol.

Praying for wisdom or vision in democracy is pretty damn futile and unsatisfying. May as well pray for freedom in a dictatorship.

I have more hope that aliens will descend from the heavens and save us all (which is none).

[duckingdafta]

it seems to me that many of the people are experiencing paranoia
I talk to whoever I can help - paranoid, ill or normal.

converts to: You don't think like me so you're ill!


So this is what's behind it all - jealousy, greed, an inverted form of snobbery and hatred? so stop it then!


Britain was built by the Royal Family, and though I don't agree with the US invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, the British soldiers there are fighting for British interests. The soldiers didn't start the war, and I don't believe that the "Queens soldiers" are killing innocents - it's the Americans that are doing that.
I don't know whether you realise how racist you are in that statement {all Americans are killing innocents?} or even realise the Royal family is the biggest racist institute in the world on the basis you have to be of a certain bloodline that gives right to rule.

can you hear the alarm clock ringing?. ... any fear left in the world {especially after the 17th} is with the elite and power hungry knowing they're losing their grip.

[beldazar]

hey duckingdafta, whats happening on the 17th?

[brenbren]

i havent researched the reptilian theory yet, does anyone know the best videos (or books..) to watch (or read)?

because as i see it, it's either that this elite have reptilian instincts/brains (no, not needing to bathe in the sun) as they do what they need to do with as little empathy or emotions as possible. that they do not feel for anything/anyone apart from control.

i can however see the possibility for a multi-dimensional being, not so keen on going through walls etc, but if an electron can operate with different dimensions in our 3rd dimension, then surely so can these reptilians..

and they have controlled their dimensions to only show us this plausible facade, in the dimensions that we can see and feel.

hey duckingdafta, whats happening on the 17th?

i second that question.

[duckingdafta]

it's a good moon... clarity.
small detail is best as large amounts create expectation... just see if you feel/think differently on the 18th when you wake up.

[legendary]

Erm, lizards? :rolleyes:

Why are you perpetuating a lie? He's not called them lizards. Why are you spreading disinfo? What is your agenda?





lizards reptiles they are the same thing i think he actually made a perfectly reasonable point about David Davis, and if there was even a shred of certifiable evidence of reptilians available to the general public, it would be far more likely that he would be willing to debate it. despite whether or not reptilians exist is actually rather irrelevant to politics don't you think? if they wished to dominate humanity through brute force it would have happened by now. the idea that they rule the world through politicians changes nothing if the idea is to oust these politicians anyway. I think he is trying to maintain his legitimacy to the majority of the population who are too far indoctrinated to even accept any possibility of truth in what he is saying. Better to have the majority support the general message than have a massive minority support the entire truth

[earthsong]

Sadly there is a lot of truth in what you are saying Legendary.

What David Icke uncovers is sometimes beyond the belief of the majority of brain-washed people and therefore would be dismissed as 'nuts' and ridiculed. A lot of people don't want to know the truth simply because it would mean they would have to get out of their comfort zone. We all have our comfort zones... things that 'feel' familiar to us. I am the same... it is written in our DNA programmes and it is difficult to re-programme without a big effort. I for example, have to force myself to go out on my daily walk, to eat a healthy vegan diet and no alcohol or cigars! My parents were both chain-smoking heavy drinkers who couldn't live without their Sunday roast...and I have a huge amount of that DNA software in my 'make-up'. It is a big effort for me to change my programming.... and it is the same for many people... to change their way of thinking and being, to be receptive to other possibilities outside their small worlds... to think outside the box.

More and more people are becoming curious enough to read David Icke's books... all it needs is for the window to open a fraction, that small window of opporunity to allow this knowledge to be digested and it would make a huge difference overall to the human experience.

In his book 'Global Conspiracy....' David Icke states,

"Ironically, the Reptilians and their hybrid clones are terrified of humans, terrified of being exposed and losing their energy source. Behind their arrogant facade, they are constantly in a blind panic, because their domination is 100% dependent on humanity remaining in a comatose state and not seeing the prison that entraps them. I am understandably asked why, if they are all-powerful, they don't just openly take over. The answer is that they can't - or they would. There are few of them compared with the human populations and once humans know of their existence, and their means of sustenance, their restaurant order will be in danger of being cancelled. Not being able to live in the Sun, which many of them can't doesn't help, either. Their ony means of seizing control is to do it covertly, in the way I am describing".

" There's another thing, too. The Reptilians are themselves controlled by another force...."

"The Reptilians themselves are computer programmes encoded to do what they are doing, and the ultimate power over their behaviour and human manipulation is beyond them. In the end, he who controls the Matrix controls human and Reptilian reality - unless we become conscious and stop playing its silly games".

" When I first started talking and writing about the Reptilian connection I faced much ridicule and abuse, but minds are opening ever faster. I put 'Reptilian extraterrestrials' into Netfind before the publication of 'The Biggest Secret' in 1998 and only a handful of pages came up. I did the same today and there were more than 33,000 - and this is a fraction of what it will become as the veil continues to lift".

[psych641]

. just see if you feel/think differently on the 18th when you wake up.

IF we wake up :D

[geronimo]

Well, the results are in and a man as well known as David Icke, who has been writing about Big Brother for over 10 years, getting 110 votes out of 24,000 in a election, who's central theme was Big Brother, tells its own story.

I said initially that if you talk about "lizards ruling the workd" and the Royal Family shape shifting into 9 ft lizards then you'd get 1% of the public believing you. In actual fact less the 1/2 percent voted for the lizards theory.

I think that the results have given us all a crystal clear message - "drop the lizards" business, no body takes it seriously, no body believes it. I hope that David Icke gets this message.

From David Davis's perspective, its a good job that he didn't accept the debate with Icke, otherwise he might have lost most of those 17,000 votes that he got by association with the "lizards ruling the world" nonesense.

We all know that David Icke is a great speaker, very persusive, highly intelligent, witty and so on, but I think that he really needs to clean up his message, otherwise even the 110 people that voted for him will want to take their vote back!

'Clean up his message' ? well, that sounds really squeaky-clean, doesn't it? James, I supported David's campaign, and I'm so glad I did. Not because I thought he was going to win - but because he is communicating information about the real Big Brother, the fine detail that David Davis refuses to discuss - and what better way to 'clean up' David Icke's message' than refuse three times to have a public debate on the issue, bar him from the so-called 'open debate' with Davis and Geldoff, even though he had a valid ticket - this was renamed a 'private meeting' Davis is about 'democracy' is he? give me a break, James - and explain please, how Davis's supporters are members of the Henry Jackson society - supporters of the same Orwellian system that Davis claims to oppose.
You can focus on 'lizards', if you think it will add persuasion to your 'argument'. I would like to direct attention to the fact that David Davis is acting under false pretences, and, by virtue of his Henry Jackson Society i.e. - Neocon - affliations, is fulfilling his role as 'controlled opposition' which means becoming the 'spokesperson' for,
and subsequently watering down and misdirecting valid opposition.
James, if I had the chance to vote for Icke, I would have done so right away, but not because I believe in this farcical system, which we imagine is democracy - but because I understand only too well what he is talking about, and will continue to support him in any way whatsoever - indefinitely.

geronimo

[tinmenace]

'Clean up his message' ? well, that sounds really squeaky-clean, doesn't it? James, I supported David's campaign, and I'm so glad I did. Not because I thought he was going to win - but because he is communicating information about the real Big Brother, the fine detail that David Davis refuses to discuss - and what better way to 'clean up' David Icke's message' than refuse three times to have a public debate on the issue, bar him from the so-called 'open debate' with Davis and Geldoff, even though he had a valid ticket - this was renamed a 'private meeting' Davis is about 'democracy' is he? give me a break, James - and explain please, how Davis's supporters are members of the Henry Jackson society - supporters of the same Orwellian system that Davis claims to oppose.
You can focus on 'lizards', if you think it will add persuasion to your 'argument'. I would like to direct attention to the fact that David Davis is acting under false pretences, and, by virtue of his Henry Jackson Society i.e. - Neocon - affliations, is fulfilling his role as 'controlled opposition' which means becoming the 'spokesperson' for,
and subsequently watering down and misdirecting valid opposition.
James, if I had the chance to vote for Icke, I would have done so right away, but not because I believe in this farcical system, which we imagine is democracy - but because I understand only too well what he is talking about, and will continue to support him in any way whatsoever - indefinitely.

geronimo


Bravo!

[geronimo]

[QUOTE=juddfinn;409122]David Davis see no benefit to debating WITH David Icke. He is a What's-in-it-for-me politician firt and foremost. But it's good to expose that, so David Icke wins whatever.

The great Alex Jones (who has been very critical of the reptilian stuff) said on his Radio Show this week (in an interview with David Icke) that he agreed with about 99% of what Icke says and may even agree with the last 1% soon the way things are going (as more and more bizaar stuff comes out)... in Alex's own words "If YOU don't believe in otherworld entities - (Icke has NEVER said "Lizards") - that is your reality, but the 'elites' DO believe in them and think they can channel them and get power from them".

This is a good point, especially for people who make a big deal out of Alex and David disagreeing.
It seems to me that a rice-paper-thin barrier divides them, and that this could easily crumble - because Alex knows, that no matter how outlandish some of this 'other-dimensional stuff' might appear, that the 'elites' themselves believe in it, and this fact is acknowledged in their own writings and statements.
Let's unite in the areas we agree, which is that we are being dragged into a world goverment and global fascist state, and how we might collectively refuse to cooperate with the system so that it ceases to effectively function. There are many creative ways this can be achieved, including proposals for alternatives to the corrupt banking system and effective rejections for the absurd new 'laws' being created all the time which are designed to restrict individual freedom.
The new laws on rubbish in the UK are just a joke. You can be fined £200 for filling your bin a few inches above the required amount, (even though people spill the entire contents of their rubbish bags on the ground in front of my community bin and nothing happens) penalised for putting rubbish out on the wrong day, your car stopped and impounded on suspicion of fly-tipping, £100 fine for putting an advert on your car for sale, £80 for dropping a fag-end on the road, £1000 for your dog shitting in the wrong area or swimming in a pond, £100 for putting an advert in your car window for sale, and the wheely-bins are microchipped, compromising what's left of our privacy still further. You are going to enforce the 3000 useless new laws Blair created in office? I don't think so. They are just there to intimidate people, there is no way anyone can enforce most of this nonsense.
Now, our wonderful government 'advisory units' are recommending collecting rubbish just once a month and introducing even more draconian measures to penalise people, so now we have not only council incompetence, corruption, but also the imminent risk of creating an insanitary environment -
thanks to these new 'Nanny State' useless regulations. The rubbish factor seems to have acted as a trigger for all the stupid, fascist legislation currently being enacted.
42 days without trial for 'suspected' terrorists?
Pinochet would have been slavering over this fascist legislation.

geronimo

[jamesk]

I would like to direct attention to the fact that David Davis is acting under false pretences, and, by virtue of his Henry Jackson Society i.e. - Neocon - affliations, is fulfilling his role as 'controlled opposition' which means becoming the 'spokesperson' for,
and subsequently watering down and misdirecting valid opposition.


I've never heard of henry jackson soceirty, and neither do i care - these silly societies don't have as much influence and control over the minds and beliefs of the public as you seem to think they do.

In any case, i don't care if David Davis were a member of the Klu Klux Clan or an out an out Neo Nazi - the fact is that he resigned, resulting in a election over the issue of Big Brother in Britain. This brought some media, public and govt attention to the surveliance soceity, with the view of scrapping it.

I mentioned how in the early 80's, academics and other concerned citizens managed to get the first Data Protection Act passed, that severly limited what Big Brother could do for years - and they did that without talking about lizards or insulting the royals either.

Also in the early 80's, a young David Icke played a major role in the fight against the Poll Tax, and as at the time he was not associated with "shape shifting royal lizards" crap, he recieved a lot exposure in newspapers, the BBC and other channels, he was very infuential and the Poll Tax was scrapped, which brought Thather down with it.

For Icke to get 0.45% of the vote after spending so many years writing and talking about Big Brother tells its own story. If you don't see it then your not looking, like those birds that stick their heads in the sand.
Even this "mad cow girl" got three times more votes the Icke, and she probably can't even spell her own name.

[brown velvet]

The great Alex Jones (who has been very critical of the reptilian stuff) said on his Radio Show this week (in an interview with David Icke) that he agreed with about 99% of what Icke says and may even agree with the last 1% soon the way things are going (as more and more bizaar stuff comes out)... in Alex's own words "If YOU don't believe in otherworld entities - (Icke has NEVER said "Lizards") - that is your reality, but the 'elites' DO believe in them and think they can channel them and get power from them".

Hey :)

no, really, stop sitting on the fence..... lolol
Great post, had me agreeing pretty much all the way through it. Thanks.

brown.

[sebastian]

I think you need to do some reading first and if it still sounds too far fetched , just let it go...I did notice that the alien connection is very difficult to comprehend for some people.

[legendary]

I have to say about that article.. this line here:

I know this for a fact, she's sat in my front room & going to have my 4th kid due 23rd.July.


congratulations on your 4th child if it's out now
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i feel that the debate about the lizards is actually irrelevant.
this isn't to say i believe or disbelieve in lizard/reptilian people but think about it.
If we aim to expose and remove the manipulators from power it's hardly important if they are human or alien, the goal remains the same.
as humans we seem to be compelled to prove or disprove every theory
why not let time tell? if the reptilians wanted to dominate the planet by subterfuge the best way to out them would be to remove their controllers, meaning they would either be forced to reveal themselves in order to continue their schemes or they would be forced to co-exist with us in charge. at this point to annhiliate/discriminate against them would place us on a paar with them (or our leaders)

[blueyonder2012]

I think you need to do some reading first and if it still sounds too far fetched , just let it go...I did notice that the alien connection is very difficult to comprehend for some people.

For some alien/reptile stuff Bob Dean (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-753656281971152722) very high up in US Airforce

Interview From Project Camelot (http://www.projectcamelot.org);)

[legendary]

I think you need to do some reading first and if it still sounds too far fetched , just let it go...I did notice that the alien connection is very difficult to comprehend for some people.

you said something along the same lines with another thread i posted but it's not that the concept is difficult to comprehend at all in fact i think the probability of us being the only planet with life forms on when 10million+ species live on this planet is infinitessimally small but just because aliens exist (in my mind) this doesn't mean that i should automatically accept this reptilian stuff which also have an infinitessimally small possibility of existing in my mind.

PS i've done A LOT of research into this stuff and i've found no evidence of any sort, merely hundreds of conflicting views all suggesting different possibilities about how the reptilians could exist and i find it even stranger that as a complete amateur i find stories about reptilians which could be potentially conclusive only to find it hasn't been adressed by even one of the conspiracy theorists, who instead seek out far more vague sources with no potentiality of providing conclusive proof

(even of the so called eye witness accounts/interviews with reptilians) they tell you completely different facts to each other if you watch/read 5 or 6 i doubt even two of them would wholeheartedly agree on specifics about the reptilians for example are they physical/spiritual/interdimensional telepathic/using a mouth working with government/plotting to overthrow gvt......... the list goes on and on

[sebastian]

Out of 300 million people in America, only 1/4 are human


On planet Earth there are 60 BILLION beings of so many diff races...only a small percentage are what we percieve as ourselves.

besides 6-7 billion on the surface there are more in the crust and inner earth....about 50+ billion

Yeah! We are def not alone !

[legendary]

where do you get these statistics?? they seem pretty made up to me apart from a population of around 6-7billion people

p.s. humans don't make up one tenth of all life forms on Earth (you say there are around 60billion creatures inhabiting the planet), think of how many billions of ants, mice, rats, etc there are and with an estimated 10million or more species on Earth i would say that puts your estimate rather far off

[duckingdafta]

47.298% of statistics are made up on the spot!
the old bible bashing techniques of past.. If you can't convince them, confuse them!:D

[legendary]

quite an accurate figure you've got there;)

[osiris111]

im my personal opinion i think mr icke may be onto a winner also.
do you know what gets me is that im stood on a rock travelling thousands of miles an hour round a huge ball of burning gasses in a place imeasurably huge with endless possibilities with a government so corrupt its quite possibly unbelievable. so what if someone believes there is a race of reptillians trying to control us. i think he is a pioneer holding a torch many of us would hold if we had the information he has. rather than take the easy way and slag him off id rather give him a big pat on the back and push his information out as far as i can for the one sinple reason

he is the only one providing the information!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


no one in government is putting out any other info rather than the crap the news and so called politicians put out.

give the guy a chance he has been working on this for years.

[mariag]

Erm, lizards? :rolleyes:

Why are you perpetuating a lie? He's not called them lizards. Why are you spreading disinfo? What is your agenda?





David Icke and other researchers call them The Reptilians , Credo Mutwa ( The Zulu Shaman from South Africa) Calls them Zulus If I am right acording to the interviews with him and DI in the Reptilian Agenda.
A lot of people has been interested in human origin and the possibility of extra and inner terestials . This is by far nothing new and it is a proven fact that this reptilian belief has been here for ages hence it can be found in books , depictions on walls, caves etc from ancient times. So calling the reptilian agenda nonsense would wrong as I see it. Different cultures and different storys but with similar themes from different parts of this world has documents about the reptilians .

I think the thread starter herre just wants to shine like many others :)

[legendary]

he is the only one providing the information!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


no one in government is putting out any other info rather than the crap the news and so called politicians put out.

give the guy a chance he has been working on this for years.

clearly you haven't seen the works of Nigel Farrage, or even David Davis for that matter.... you don't need to get the 'full picture' to realise that something is amiss.

i would particularly recommend Nigel Farrage, who spends his time highlighting the fascist and corrupt nature of the EU, and those who seek to control it

[devanshoom]

"Credo Mutwa ( The Zulu Shaman from South Africa) Calls them Zulus If I am right acording to the interviews with him and DI in the Reptilian Agenda".

..I thought credo mutwa called them the chittahuri? I dont think it was zulus....didnt michael caine shoot all them guys?

man...i can see what the starter of this thread is getting at...he just thinks david icke's message would get more credibility if he dropped the reptillian thing.

I dont agree with him, but I can see the guys point...."the queen is a reptile" is nearly always the first thing people throw at me when i am "icke ranting". Lets face it...it DOES put a lot of people off.

But its too late for withdrawals dude.....just gotta live with it. The reptile thing is here to stay.

[beldazar]

Listening to the f*ck George Bush lying his face off on the telly last night in front of millions of a people and a percentage knowing that he is lying, there is nothing else he could possibly be! :mad:

(Sorry, he just got to me)

[panda2]

i was born into all this. pindar lizard king, all true. whether you like it or not soon our chips will be turned off then another on. they don't morph they just turn your chip off. they do run the world, you buy their products & watch their t.v.
the reason daivd is so up front, i'm assuming, is there is no point in saying yeah u.k. i'll run it because within 3 meetings he'd be cut ritualed or dead. so he has no choice but to be upfront. how dreadful he has truth & won't let it go. when in a skull & crossbones wank are they taught truth?
david concentrates on the lizard mob because his readers do. i think there are 5 kingdoms. i've met at least 3.
when you understand the moon may be a ship, it tends to move, so moonrays will only make you ill, think of how many people actually believe it's a planet. some people kill for it thinking it will make them pretty or rich. then when you understand there are tunnels that open. when you get that every public holidy is not for jesus but a tunel opening, you will realise why there are so many black winged reptile stones around london.
not in canada or india.
i have been in their caves as a child all they want are you ready is not world domination, not you or your family this is unbelievable & says what we offer to society. they wanted to go shopping. any shopping. any shop. just like you did when you were a small child. & stories they liked stories. they didn't trust me. because of past public they made me feel like an attacker. so it was very short lived.
i offered to read them stories etc, it just seemed so lonely.
i now realise due to morphing i was very close to one member of the scaled set. i could not love her anymore & i am devastated she is no longer in my life. so going in & not liking them is just hate.
in u.k. you have midsummer nights dream & nobody queries it. cute characters with horses feet, who doesn't want to just hang. but then you go to the christian bible blood & there he is again eating your soul.
they are just animals that represent their kingdom. yes they will eat you. size you up for your body always. but to say they don't exist is denying a lot of peoples past & present.
which makes you god, are you god? it's just i asked for a flat ass not fat ass, hair on head not on body & when i said i needed to watch my back i didn't mean it literally, i think you might have mis-heard me. just saying i thought i asked for a better body that's all. 'cos at 40 this can't be mine. ha ha.

[lightworks]

David Icke and other researchers call them The Reptilians , Credo Mutwa ( The Zulu Shaman from South Africa) Calls them Zulus If I am right acording to the interviews with him and DI in the Reptilian Agenda.
A lot of people has been interested in human origin and the possibility of extra and inner terestials . This is by far nothing new and it is a proven fact that this reptilian belief has been here for ages hence it can be found in books , depictions on walls, caves etc from ancient times. So calling the reptilian agenda nonsense would wrong as I see it. Different cultures and different storys but with similar themes from different parts of this world has documents about the reptilians .

I think the thread starter herre just wants to shine like many others :)

i specifically remember seeing a program a few years ago when two detectives from a particular teamed involved with weird murders..at acostland yard the HQ of the metropolitan police.....travelled to south africa to meet Credo Mutwa to gain any help or tips in solving the unusual case of adam...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/3105779.stm
and as I do duly recall,as a matter of salient facts pertaining to pertinence one of the officers who travelled first class on behalf of the metropolitan police travel department was namely one Detective Inspector Will O' reilly, in order to procure evidence which was to be deemed at that time,to be wholly unnassailable
by the way acostland yard was a freudian slip....i laughed at that....

[lightworks]

credo mutwa is a sangoma ...the zulu word for shaman
http://credomutwa.com/about/

my second experieince as a child seeing reptilians was seeing the reprtilain e lizard beth in reptilian form in the back of a chaufeuur driven daimler limousine black car....it was in a dress I was ten years old 1977 the year of the reptilian siler jubilee trauma based mind control program...in which youn children are rotuinely brainwashed into freely given away thier mental and soul power to the chitahauri

[lightworks]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9056618489070227682

[legendary]

i thought credo mutwa called them the chitauri, not the 'zulus'

[bendoon]

The reptillian idea comes from the bible although DI would not admit it.

Satan the devil is represented by a snake or a dragon (reptile)

Revelation 12:7-9
"And there was war in heaven . . . and the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

So Satan and his Angels (Reptiles) are currently here amongst us creating havoc, decieving everyone with their lies, nothing new here really, old hat.

[thirdwave]

lizards reptiles they are the same thing i think he actually made a perfectly reasonable point about David Davis,

lol,no, reptilians and lizards are not the same thing... a Lizard is a reptile but a reptile is not a lizard... a reptile is a genetic DNA structure...

for example... a Frog is a reptile and a Crocodile is a reptile... a snake is a reptile and a lizard is... and so is a turtle..

there for if something looks like a frog and you said you saw something that looked like a lizard... then it would be incorrect... if you said you saw something that looked like a reptile then you would be correct.

what it means in David's case is that he is not talking about lizards, he is talking about a DNA structure... that lizards so happen to have as well as all kinds of other animals..

:)

[legendary]

lol,no, reptilians and lizards are not the same thing... a Lizard is a reptile but a reptile is not a lizard... a reptile is a genetic DNA structure...

for example... a Frog is a reptile and a Crocodile is a reptile... a snake is a reptile and a lizard is... and so is a turtle..

there for if something looks like a frog and you said you saw something that looked like a lizard... then it would be incorrect... if you said you saw something that looked like a reptile then you would be correct.

what it means in David's case is that he is not talking about lizards, he is talking about a DNA structure... that lizards so happen to have as well as all kinds of other animals..

:)

firstly i said reptile not reptilian, and you are right, not all reptiles are lizards.... doesn't mean the words are not interchangeable in this case. these reptilians are not described as being like snakes, with no arms or legs, or like a dinosaur, but rather as a 'lizard man', which is in fact the most common interpretation of reptilians in science fiction, films and fantasy games.

a frog is an amphibian not a reptile by the way. if you saw a frog and said i saw a reptile you would be incorrect just like if you said it was a lizard. maybe you're thinking of newts?

David isn't calling them reptilian because they are related to the reptiles we see on this planet by DNA, i don't think he ever received a blood or scale sample.. and the fact he says they are interdimensional beings suggests they may not even be physical in the sense we think of. PS a creature can be part reptilian, part mammalian such as a duck billed platypus. that would mean you calling them reptilian would be wrong by the sounds of how most people describe them and assuming they are physical beings, they would be reptilian mammalians. so like i've said so many times on here don't play games of semantics when you know exactly what people are actually trying to say. of course i don't think the reptilian conspiracy suggests that lizards like i see at the beach sunbathing on rocks are secretly ruling the world.....

[thelyran]

...All David Icke was trying to achieve with debating Davies,was to expose him as the soft approach to a police state.Instead of the implementation of a micro-chipped population,Icke asserted that Davies would settle for an I.D card...had nothing to do with scaly skinned rulers of the world.simple.

[thelyran]

Yes, I think that most people, particularly Christian/Muslim/Jewish people, would be easier persuaded by "demons are controlling the world" then "lizards are controlling the world".

I think that many "religious" people believe that demonic posession is responsible for many of the ills in the world. The Bible, for example, says that the Devil is the ruler of this world....
And the bible says that the devil is a reptile...to quote
Revelations 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled,the original serpent,the one called Devil and Satan,who is misleading the entire inhabited earth,he was hurled down to the earth and his angels were hurled down with him.
You see,I refrain from using "I Think,I believe"with the consistency that you do,I prefer"I know",and if I don't,I keep my mouth shut,allowing someone else that knows more...or I ask intelligent questions.
Now,if you are familiar with Sumerian Texts,Zacharia Sitchin's work...there has been unearthed a stone statue,a winged demon/reptilian,named Zu...it is featured in the film,The Exorcist...a work of fiction,yes and renamed for the film,Pazuzu...look into its eyes,tell me how you feel,what do you see...feel the cold shivers along your shoulders?...call me by my dream name

[skiver]

UK
6 Nov. 2009
16:47

Just heard Alex Jones' guest on infowars radio, trying to take the piss out of David's reptilian 'reputation'. Don't know who the guest is, but he sure has his head up his ass. Some credit to Alex for not aiding his guests' cheap attempt to assassinate David's character when the man is not there to defend himself.



....got it....Joe Rogan

[kanz]

I think that David Davis is a good and brave man to do what he is doing. I imagine that he would have loved to debate with a globally well known person like David Icke, on maters that are so important to him and to everyone.

So, why did he refuse?

I imagine that its this "lizards rule the world" label that has put him off. He may have felt that a debate with someone who thinks this would turn him into a laughing stock. With the best will in the world, David Davis can not be associated with this, as he would then lose all credibility.

Is it time for David Icke to drop the "lizards rule the world" nonesense? Should his friends, readers and collegues make it clear to him that this is not the way to spread the message?

If you take 100 people, tell them in the most persuasive way possible that "lizards rule the world", you'll get very little interest. A few may believe you for a while, but most will soon leave thinking that you are a nutter. Fewer the 1% would vote for you.

If, on the other hand, you tell them about the erosion of civil liberties, the big brother police state, the draconian legislations, the EU supersates taking away local power, etc, then you'll likely 99% of the people voting for you.

When I was a computing undergraduate in 1982, there was some concern about the use of computers and future databases that could be used against the public interest. This led to the passing of The Data Protection Act, that severly limited what companies and Governments could do with personal data and what data could be held on computers.

Today this has changed, evenn though there is a huge public concern about civil liberties and the Big brother police state, 1000's time more then in the 80's. But this can be changed. Look at how that guy, forget his name, who mobalised and got the "No" vote in Ireland, when all the political parties, all the media, and all the companies were campaigning for a "Yes".

I to would like him to fully explain what he mean's, but if he did then the like's of the BBC would , just stich him up with some crazy video's of him spouting about lizards straight off the bat trying to scare people away. They twist stuff that actually has some meat to it never mind something along the lines of "the queeen is a lizard beacuase".

[goldenbear]

if you want to know the crux of it. think about what david says about bloodlines. these elite think their bloodline goes back to adam and eve.

they think they are related to caine. and now who is caine? he is the snakes son.and it is possible that the snake/reptile came from another dimention.if not then the true devil? we cant proove or disproove this theory but as they are all satan worshipping mongrals they think they are satans relatives.

and personally i have never seen any reptile/humans. but i know in eye studies they have found at least so much of the population have reptile eye genetics.or their eyes react like reptiles.and there have been cases of possession (dimentional reptiles maybe?/demons?).im on the fence on this one.but saying that i know in the existence of angels so why not?

so with some of the evidence we can proove the theory.but then we just need more evidence to back all of this up as people would never get it without a herp on a stick lizard queen in your face media covered bonanza.

but if david is sure of his theories that is his opinion. and i would not slate him on this as we are all entitled to freedom of speach. also he has prodicted what has been and has happened in our governments ect..give it time. let the evidence and proof come out. as it will eventually.and they are proud (pride comes before a fall)
as my nan said it will all come out in the wash. :)

[pound]

"lizards" is too cliche and generic. Call them what they really are i.e. "reptilians" or "dracos".
And yes I do think David Icke would wipe the floor with this fellow. This guy isnt even in the same intellectual league as Mr. Icke!

[nicolaj]

The reptillian idea comes from the bible although DI would not admit it.

Satan the devil is represented by a snake or a dragon (reptile)



So Satan and his Angels (Reptiles) are currently here amongst us creating havoc, decieving everyone with their lies, nothing new here really, old hat.

True they are the fallen angels so are aliens. just like to add

Twice angels fell, firstly satan took a third of the angels with him when he fell from his abode in heaven and was caste down to earth.
Secondly The watchers where already here on earth when they fell, because they didn't keep their own estate and mated with humans. The watchers bloodline continues today.
There are nine ranks of Angels and they don't all look the same, they can also become invisable.
These are also what the spiritually dead believe are their spirit guides and guides of enlightment..the same spirit guides who tell the dead they are gods..satans oldest trick known to mankind and mans ego just laps it up.