China was attacked from HAARP facilities in Alaska

[serpentoffire]

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1104.htm


Russian Foreign Ministry reports are stating today the Prime Minister Putin’s "sudden’" diplomatic trip (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=ada.FoPSr_T0&refer=europe) "warn" the European Union not to become involved with the US following what is widely expected to be a ‘retaliatory strike’ against the United States, and who the Chinese military has blamed for the catastrophic May 12th earthquake that has killed nearly 90,000 human beings. to France was made at the behest of China’s President Hu in order to ‘

Chinese and Russian Military scientists, these reports say, are concurring with Canadian researcher, and former Asia-Pacific Bureau Chief of Forbes Magazine (http://japundit.com/archives/2008/03/25/8185/), Benjamin Fulford (http://benjaminfulford.com/indexEnglish.html), who in a very disturbing video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=InV0cVH6KZc) released from his Japanese offices to the American public, details how the United States attacked China by the firing of a Billion Million Volt Shockwave from the Americans High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) facilities in Alaska.

So powerful was this Shockwave, Britain’s Times Online News Service is reporting that the entire atmosphere over the Chinese earthquake zone became mysteriously changed 30 minutes prior to the 8.0 Magnitude Trembler (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-05/19/content_8208098.htm)

“Can clouds predict earthquakes? YouTube has footage (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article3981225.ece) of strange multicoloured clouds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=%20KKMTSDzU1Z4) seen just before the recent earthquake struck Sichuan province in China. (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article3981225.ece)

The first impression is of a rainbow smeared on to small scraps of clouds, a phenomenon best known in a circumzenithal halo. This is created when sunlight shines through cirrus clouds full of tiny hexagonal ice crystals shaped like plates. The crystals behave like glass prisms, splitting the light into a bow with the colours of the spectrum, often brighter than a rainbow. (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article3981225.ece)

But one puzzle is that the colours in the Chinese clouds were upside down from a normal circumzenithal halo – red pointing towards the horizon and blue towards the Sun, instead of the other way round.” (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article3981225.ece)

Russian scientists are further speculating that the United States strike against China was ‘exactly timed’ to coincide with the dangerous experiments ongoing at Large Hadron Collider for the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), and which we had previously reported on in our May 13th report titled “CERN ‘Nailed Heart Of Earth’ With China Quake, Chilean Volcano (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1098.htm)”.

Russian Military Analysts note that though China’s Military has ordered its vast submarine fleet to ‘disperse’ throughout the Pacific Ocean, the Chinese ‘attack’ against the United States would, most likely, take a form of economic warfare instead of an actual clashing of forces.

More disturbing, however, in these reports is China’s urging of both Syria and Turkey not to allow more water into mighty rivers of the Euphrates and Tigris, which the Iraqis are warning (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g8ZLbkMiL40woBfVc6ygSK2Urfrg) are running dry due to the severe drought in that war-torn Nation.

The importance of this latest move by China is the newly signed Defense Pact (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jvkKkWY-GqQi3KUw1bYoR4fBdrew)Iran and Syria which would allow Chinese Military Forces permission to use Iranian territory to come to the aid of Syria. signed between

It should be further noted that the Christian Bibles New Testament Book of Revelations (Chapter 16, Verse 12 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults2.php?passage1=Revelation+16&book_id=73&version1=9&tp=22&c=16)) prophesied that the Euphrates will dry up in preparation for the Battle of Armageddon and would be crossed by an Eastern Army of 200 million soldiers, of which in our World today only China is able to field and have the ability to reach by land alone.
As the United States and China battle for their very survival in a World becoming increasing volatile due to the rapidly growing shortages of both food and fuel, one does indeed wonder if the End Times are now upon us all.

[rixxmixxhell]

Nice post there. Interesting and relevant i feel. There is more to this. Keep 'em coming if you can.

In the reverse speaking blog, they talked about how the chinease people new deep down they were about to be slaughtered by the Reps, via the U.S governments HAARP.

The video on youtube showing the colour clouds or whatever they were was reversed by Peggy who does all the reversing etc, she took the audio from the people you can hear in that video. It's on here blog.

So this further adds to that.

[marpat]

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1104.htm


Russian Foreign Ministry reports are stating today the Prime Minister Putin’s "sudden’" diplomatic trip (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=ada.FoPSr_T0&refer=europe) "warn" the European Union not to become involved with the US following what is widely expected to be a ‘retaliatory strike’ against the United States, and who the Chinese military has blamed for the catastrophic May 12th earthquake that has killed nearly 90,000 human beings. to France was made at the behest of China’s President Hu in order to ‘

Chinese and Russian Military scientists, these reports say, are concurring with Canadian researcher, and former Asia-Pacific Bureau Chief of Forbes Magazine (http://japundit.com/archives/2008/03/25/8185/), Benjamin Fulford (http://benjaminfulford.com/indexEnglish.html), who in a very disturbing video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=InV0cVH6KZc) released from his Japanese offices to the American public, details how the United States attacked China by the firing of a Billion Million Volt Shockwave from the Americans High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) facilities in Alaska.

So powerful was this Shockwave, Britain’s Times Online News Service is reporting that the entire atmosphere over the Chinese earthquake zone became mysteriously changed 30 minutes prior to the 8.0 Magnitude Trembler (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-05/19/content_8208098.htm)

“Can clouds predict earthquakes? YouTube has footage (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article3981225.ece) of strange multicoloured clouds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=%20KKMTSDzU1Z4) seen just before the recent earthquake struck Sichuan province in China. (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article3981225.ece)

The first impression is of a rainbow smeared on to small scraps of clouds, a phenomenon best known in a circumzenithal halo. This is created when sunlight shines through cirrus clouds full of tiny hexagonal ice crystals shaped like plates. The crystals behave like glass prisms, splitting the light into a bow with the colours of the spectrum, often brighter than a rainbow. (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article3981225.ece)

But one puzzle is that the colours in the Chinese clouds were upside down from a normal circumzenithal halo – red pointing towards the horizon and blue towards the Sun, instead of the other way round.” (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article3981225.ece)

Russian scientists are further speculating that the United States strike against China was ‘exactly timed’ to coincide with the dangerous experiments ongoing at Large Hadron Collider for the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), and which we had previously reported on in our May 13th report titled “CERN ‘Nailed Heart Of Earth’ With China Quake, Chilean Volcano (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1098.htm)”.

Russian Military Analysts note that though China’s Military has ordered its vast submarine fleet to ‘disperse’ throughout the Pacific Ocean, the Chinese ‘attack’ against the United States would, most likely, take a form of economic warfare instead of an actual clashing of forces.

More disturbing, however, in these reports is China’s urging of both Syria and Turkey not to allow more water into mighty rivers of the Euphrates and Tigris, which the Iraqis are warning (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g8ZLbkMiL40woBfVc6ygSK2Urfrg) are running dry due to the severe drought in that war-torn Nation.

The importance of this latest move by China is the newly signed Defense Pact (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jvkKkWY-GqQi3KUw1bYoR4fBdrew)Iran and Syria which would allow Chinese Military Forces permission to use Iranian territory to come to the aid of Syria. signed between

It should be further noted that the Christian Bibles New Testament Book of Revelations (Chapter 16, Verse 12 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults2.php?passage1=Revelation+16&book_id=73&version1=9&tp=22&c=16)) prophesied that the Euphrates will dry up in preparation for the Battle of Armageddon and would be crossed by an Eastern Army of 200 million soldiers, of which in our World today only China is able to field and have the ability to reach by land alone.
As the United States and China battle for their very survival in a World becoming increasing volatile due to the rapidly growing shortages of both food and fuel, one does indeed wonder if the End Times are now upon us all.




Well if you read that part of revelations you will find no references to 200 million soldiers.

Can you give me a brief overview of how such a strike would happen?

[noobcybot]

I cant find any threads on it, so I was wondering if any of you thought much about the earthquake in England that happened before this? I was awake when it occoured and it was so strange, we were up late and I heard this rumbling which was quick ( high frequency?). And before I could turn to my friend and say "Do you hear that?". I started vibrating, or the land did, the thing is it felt just like before you go out of body. I made a note at this time also that I did not hear any shakings of chandaliers, light fittings, pots and pans (specifically this because they are a load hung up in the kitchen) or anything else. On reflection I could also not recall any electrical interferance with lighting or television. After that we made a move to get out of the premises. The day after though there were police cordening off parts of the city as some chimneys had fallen and some people were reporting wardrobe shakings and so on. And so, it might not have something to do with a harmonic convergence, yet it may have been a tester for the big one in China.
It might have been a bit of a simple conclusion but I, always looking for something with a bit more meaning managed to come up with the idea that something big was going to happen.......woooooo
In any case is there anyone here who has any opinions on this? Or better yet someone who knows about geography?

[lightgiver]

For by thy sorceries(haarp)(911 etc etc) were all nations deceived,and there was a great earth quake,

and in her has found the blood of the prophets,

and of the saints and of all that were slain upon the earth,

and laid hold on the DRAGON that old SERPENT,THE DEVIL,SATAN.

GOG and MAGOG,...........bush and israel ???read old testament

THE PIT IS INDEED DARK AND DEEP:eek:

just some quotes from revelations............

[marpat]

For by thy sorceries(haarp)(911 etc etc) were all nations deceived,and there was a great earth quake,

and in her has found the blood of the prophets,

and of the saints and of all that were slain upon the earth,

and laid hold on the DRAGON that old SERPENT,THE DEVIL,SATAN.

GOG and MAGOG,...........bush and israel ???read old testament

THE PIT IS INDEED DARK AND DEEP:eek:

just some quotes from revelations............

Er, I think you are getting confused. The Book of Revelation is in the New Testament and is a book describing the spiritual attainment of John in a symbolic journey in which the dark forces within himself are released and overcome, the result being the vision of beatification.

You mention the blood of the prophets but don't give any context. In Revelations the blood of the prophet is within Babylon. If you put it into context it may make a bit more sense.

[lightgiver]

Er, I think you are getting confused. The Book of Revelation is in the New Testament and is a book describing the spiritual attainment of John in a symbolic journey in which the dark forces within himself are released and overcome, the result being the vision of beatification.

You mention the blood of the prophets but don't give any context. In Revelations the blood of the prophet is within Babylon. If you put it into context it may make a bit more sense.
ER,
just giving some snippets of info,with regards to the book of revelations,so i aint getting confused,you always try to discredit people don't you,,

and the new test 2nd half of bible was taken from the old test,1st half of bible

and then the king james came along,

everybody interprets in different ways,with ref to the saints,its there for all to see,do you know any history lessons?

gog and magog are mentioned in the old test,

the hostile prince and the land from which he comes to attack is ra el(israel)Ezekiel 38

new test,
2 kings who are to attack the church in a climatic battle but then are to be destroyed by god.....REV 20.8-10

and your story about john is not correct,in the symbolic sense that is........where did you get that one from,freemason lodge.....
it is about the revelation,get it,REVELATIONS,the apocalypse,the destruction of Satan,and then Christ's 1,000 year reign,you Satanists will not like that one will you,and sending Satan to a deep dark pit ..............

the book of revelations is about what is coming............and is actually taking place right NOW.........

i aint going into detail people have to read it for themselves.........

just another point for you to understand fully the new testament,you have to read the old testament,

like i say i aint going in depth otherwise i will be here for a long time...........

I think you are referring to the gnostic kabbalistic interpretation of revelations,the esoteric meaning,the Freemason ideology......ha ha(john and symbolism)
the 7 chakras and the like,obviously nicked from the yogis and Buddhists,
thats what secret societies do,nick all the esoteric practises,and use em for sordid purposes.ie the swastika and the like.

I AM FAR FROM CONFUSED. My ajna chakra is working quite well and as done for many years. WINK WINK.

[marpat]

ER,
just giving some snippets of info,with regards to the book of revelations,so i aint getting confused,you always try to discredit people don't you,,

and the new test 2nd half of bible was taken from the old test,1st half of bible

and then the king james came along,

everybody interprets in different ways,with ref to the saints,its there for all to see,do you know any history lessons?

gog and magog are mentioned in the old test,

the hostile prince and the land from which he comes to attack is ra el(israel)Ezekiel 38

new test,
2 kings who are to attack the church in a climatic battle but then are to be destroyed by god.....REV 20.8-10

and your story about john is not correct,in the symbolic sense that is........where did you get that one from,freemason lodge.....
it is about the revelation,get it,REVELATIONS,the apocalypse,the destruction of Satan,and then Christ's 1,000 year reign,you Satanists will not like that one will you,and sending Satan to a deep dark pit ..............

the book of revelations is about what is coming............and is actually taking place right NOW.........

i aint going into detail people have to read it for themselves.........

just another point for you to understand fully the new testament,you have to read the old testament,

like i say i aint going in depth otherwise i will be here for a long time...........

I think you are referring to the gnostic kabbalistic interpretation of revelations,the esoteric meaning,the Freemason ideology......ha ha(john and symbolism)
the 7 chakras and the like,obviously nicked from the yogis and Buddhists,
thats what secret societies do,nick all the esoteric practises,and use em for sordid purposes.ie the swastika and the like.

I AM FAR FROM CONFUSED. My ajna chakra is working quite well and as done for many years. WINK WINK.


Well if you know so much why didn't you make a clear, concise statement rather than a few snippets out of the bible which had no context in the thread. I am sure a man of your calibre could manage to make sense out of the subject.

I will disagree with you about what Revelations means. You obviously take the exoteric, christian fundamentalist interpretation. If it was going to be the end of anything I would say it was a prophecy about the end of the Roman empire, which was the main enemy then. What is wrong with the esoteric meaning? it is a well known fact that anybody who takes the bible literally is a fool. Revelation also needs a kabbalistic key to understand thoroughly, which is shown by the very specific use of numerology. You can believe your own view, but I have mine.

And may I add that you have already taken the thread off topic, so can we get back to talking about how HAARP was used in this quake and leave theology for another thread, please?

[lightgiver]

For by thy sorceries(haarp)were all nations deceived,and there was a great EARTHQUAKE,
Book of revelations;)

did a earthquake destroy the roman empire,i do not think so:rolleyes:

oh by the way the roman empire is still here,just under a different guise........

[marpat]

For by thy sorceries(haarp)were all nations deceived,and there was a great EARTHQUAKE,
Book of revelations;)

did a earthquake destroy the roman empire,i do not think so:rolleyes:

oh by the way the roman empire is still here,just under a different guise........


You are trolling the thread. Can you answer how HAARP was used to attack China? no crap about it being sorcery, just plain facts.

[lizzy]

You are trolling the thread. Can you answer how HAARP was used to attack China? no crap about it being sorcery, just plain facts.

Stop turning this thread into a religious debate and go learn something.

Start with TESLA.........

and you know very well that LG was NOT saying haarp is socerery, only that TPTB are playing an old game for which there a few various interpretations.......one , for the bible bashers is that the end is neigh, fullfilling a prophesy.......blah , blah....

your disingeniusness is pathetic.

I am deleting my own posts because it just adds to marparts' spamming.

[marpat]

Stop turning this thread into a religious debate and go learn something.

Start with TESLA.........

Well this is not my forte but can you give me a run down of how this could happen?

If somebody makes a claim in a thread it should be clearly explained. It should not require people to start surfing links and doing research. If people cant be bothered to explain their claims they should not start a thread.

I am not that bothered about the theory of how it can happen but how, if it was used, was it deployed. Tell me how the US created the conditions for such a thing to happen.

[marpat]

do your own research....TESLA!!!!!

WE ARE NOT YOUR RESEARCH PERSONEL..STOP DEMANDING ANSWERS.............





So what you are saying is that you don't have an answer? you could just say that without arguement.

No matter what Tesla says about how it can be done can you explain the method of it's employment? I don't think Tesla would be able to answer that but if you want to impress me with your knowledge perhaps you can give me some insight into how the US managed to deploy such a weapon without the Chinese ever suspecting it. That is all I want to know, how was it deployed/ used, not the theory of how it works.

If somebody asks me about magic stuff then I give an answer, I don't tell them to research the subject without giving any comments because that sort of attitude just shows that you don't know what you are talking about.

[boots]

So what you are saying is that you don't have an answer? you could just say that without arguement.

No matter what Tesla says about how it can be done can you explain the method of it's employment? I don't think Tesla would be able to answer that but if you want to impress me with your knowledge perhaps you can give me some insight into how the US managed to deploy such a weapon without the Chinese ever suspecting it. That is all I want to know, how was it deployed/ used, not the theory of how it works.

If somebody asks me about magic stuff then I give an answer, I don't tell them to research the subject without giving any comments because that sort of attitude just shows that you don't know what you are talking about.

Uh, Tesla was a brilliant scientist way ahead of his time he understood the principal behind HAARP and there was specialization that the Tungaka event in Siberia was a test for this technology. since then the governments have perfected the technology.

The event would have been quite fast and the Chinese wouldn't have been able to detect it as they would with an ICBM.How could they stop it.

[marpat]

Uh, Tesla was a brilliant scientist way ahead of his time he understood the principal behind HAARP and there was specialization that the Tungaka event in Siberia was a test for this technology. since then the governments have perfected the technology.

The event would have been quite fast and the Chinese wouldn't have been able to detect it as they would with an ICBM.How could they stop it.

OK, but can you tell me how the US would have employed it without anybody knowing? would aircraft have been required, etc? I can easily find info on Tesla and his theories but I just wanted to know if anybody has an idea of how the US was supposed to have manifested such a strike.

[boots]

OK, but can you tell me how the US would have employed it without anybody knowing? would aircraft have been required, etc? I can easily find info on Tesla and his theories but I just wanted to know if anybody has an idea of how the US was supposed to have manifested such a strike.

There is no aircraft require marpat it is done by satellites.

Think how fast communication travels around the world by satellites.


http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/64/200804251231mf7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7395/haarpio3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[gee1]

If the U.S are found by the Chinese government to be responsible for the earthquake, it will be a test of Benjamin Fulfords claim about the ninja assasins.. either there will be a lot of very dead elite in the west, or the elite will be even more sure of themselves.
just a thought.

[i_am]

OK, but can you tell me how the US would have employed it without anybody knowing? would aircraft have been required, etc? I can easily find info on Tesla and his theories but I just wanted to know if anybody has an idea of how the US was supposed to have manifested such a strike.

It is a tad more sophisticated than that

You really do need to read Angels don't play this Haarp: Advances in Tesla Technology

HAARP Boils the Upper Atmosphere

HAARP will zap the upper atmosphere with a focused and steerable electromagnetic beam. It is an advanced model of an "ionospheric heater." (The ionosphere is the electrically-charged sphere surrounding Earth's upper atmosphere. It ranges between 40 to 60 miles above the surface of the Earth.)
Put simply, the apparatus for HAARP is a reversal of a radio telescope; antenna send out signals instead of receiving. HAARP is the test run for a super-powerful radiowave-beaming technology that lifts areas of the ionosphere by focusing a beam and heating those areas. Electromagnetic waves then bounce back onto earth and penetrate everything -- living and dead.

I am sure Nick Begich can explain it far better than we can.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGbdM8I6qRI

[bill23]

silly me, i thought it was an earthquake was the result of a sudden release of energy in the Earth's crust. there is a distinct lack of evidence as usual. dont question it, just believe..

[boots]

If the U.S are found by the Chinese government to be responsible for the earthquake, it will be a test of Benjamin Fulfords claim about the ninja assasins.. either there will be a lot of very dead elite in the west, or the elite will be even more sure of themselves.
just a thought.

Yeah mate. I'm waiting for that one too.

[boots]

silly me, i thought it was an earthquake was the result of a sudden release of energy in the Earth's crust. there is a distinct lack of evidence as usual. dont question it, just believe..

Do some research mate. Have a look at i_am's post, checkout the vid.

Then, when your done with that I'll post you some links.

OR

GOOGLE.

Have fun.

[marpat]

There is no aircraft require marpat it is done by satellites.

Think how fast communication travels around the world by satellites.

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Although radio waves can give off heat it is very small. What sort of heat are you talking of in the atmsphere to make such a thing work?

I must confess I find it a bit far fetched. My trade is electronics and I had to learn about radio wave propogation, etc as part of that.

I think I will look into the subject a little bit more to see what it's about. What I don't get is the heat thing as the ionosphere must be heated all the time by the sun. Also, if the transmitters have a 1GW output then that will be a lot less by the time it reaches the higher parts of the atmosphere due to natural attenuation.

I guess if HAARP is the problem then it is it is very easy to attack, being a fixed and well know site.

[lightgiver]

There is no aircraft require marpat it is done by satellites.

Think how fast communication travels around the world by satellites.


http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/64/200804251231mf7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7395/haarpio3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

oh all them lights in the sky china experienced just before the earth quake,must have been nothing,
just a coincidence,
but everything is a coincidence according to marpat:rolleyes:

[marpat]

LB why do you have to always make it a personal issue? you still bearing a grudge?

Did you see any lights in the sky or are you just taking peoples word for it? perhaps you should contribute instead of trying to provoke an arguement. You got something constructive to say then say it or shut up.

Looking at the material I really think the theory is not valid anyway. Some people say it has nothing to do with Telsa and that the association came about because he did some SIMILAR type of work, not the same stuff. Why don't you enlighten me.

Why don't you give me a technical explanation of the diagram boots posted.

Did you know that you get aerial phenomena due to earth masses rubbing together? this is why megalithic monuments are often on places of unstable geography, because of the lights that appear at times. This also explains UFO pheneomena at such places. Not sure of the mechanism but I think is is caused by the friction of earth plates releasing energy that then escapes upwards, which has the least line of resistance. Maybe this is why there were lights in the sky in China, or maybe somebody made it up, who knows.

[lightgiver]

LB why do you have to always make it a personal issue? you still bearing a grudge?

Did you see any lights in the sky or are you just taking peoples word for it? perhaps you should contribute instead of trying to provoke an arguement. You got something constructive to say then say it or shut up.

Looking at the material I really think the theory is not valid anyway. Some people say it has nothing to do with Telsa and that the association came about because he did some SIMILAR type of work, not the same stuff. Why don't you enlighten me.

Why don't you give me a technical explanation of the diagram boots posted.

Did you know that you get aerial phenomena due to earth masses rubbing together? this is why megalithic monuments are often on places of unstable geography, because of the lights that appear at times. This also explains UFO pheneomena at such places. Not sure of the mechanism but I think is is caused by the friction of earth plates releasing energy that then escapes upwards, which has the least line of resistance. Maybe this is why there were lights in the sky in China, or maybe somebody made it up, who knows.

LB a personnel issue,LB are you for real,grudges,
you have been exposed on many occasions,and you try to disprove everyone's theory's apart from your own,cowpat,(personnel issues)
we know you are a disinformation agent,:rolleyes:
and you can waffle as much as you like,i have done the research,as have others,i am not getting into some long winded debate with YOU,and going around in circles,which always happens with the likes of you.
the facts are there,try and research it,but you are not probably interested in that, only trying to disprove the facts with your empty rhetoric,for your freemason lackeys.
end of my statements,i do not want this one ending up in the rant room,or going off subject,
i will let you have the last word as usual as i will not be replying to you,of the imaginary force you are in,the avatar says it all:eek:
you will change it again in a couple of days ,one imagines:rolleyes:
BYE BYE.

[boots]

Although radio waves can give off heat it is very small. What sort of heat are you talking of in the atmsphere to make such a thing work?

I must confess I find it a bit far fetched. My trade is electronics and I had to learn about radio wave propogation, etc as part of that.

I think I will look into the subject a little bit more to see what it's about. What I don't get is the heat thing as the ionosphere must be heated all the time by the sun. Also, if the transmitters have a 1GW output then that will be a lot less by the time it reaches the higher parts of the atmosphere due to natural attenuation.

I guess if HAARP is the problem then it is it is very easy to attack, being a fixed and well know site.

I thought you were into electronics marpat?

Checkout what i_am posted in this thread regarding the man Nick Begich his father was in the Canadian government and he lived near the HAARP facility.

How did you know it has an out put of 1GW?

HAARP, would not be easy to attack.

[marpat]

I thought you were into electronics marpat?

Checkout what i_am posted in this thread regarding the man Nick Begich his father was in the Canadian government and he lived near the HAARP facility.

How did you know it has an out put of 1GW?

HAARP, would not be easy to attack.

How would a fixed site not be easy to attack?

So somebody lived near the place, big deal. I have started to look into the stuff and it does not look that convincing.

And just because somebody worked for the government it does not mean they know all the secrets, or how things work. I will look at what that guy said though just to be sure.

Yes, my trade is electronics. Part of my course was things like microwave, radar, radio, etc. so I do have some idea how stuff works. It gives me an advantage that a lot of people in here don't have.

There are some sites that state that HAARP is not Teslas work but that he only created something similar. Although I can see why HAARP can be useful I still find the whole earthquake thing a bit too far. Can you tell me how changes in the ionospehere caused an earthquake? what about the idea that an earthquake distrupts the ionosphere and this is causing the light?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_lights

[boots]

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/jsmith.htmHow would a fixed site not be easy to attack?

So somebody lived near the place, big deal. I have started to look into the stuff and it does not look that convincing.
And just because somebody worked for the government it does not mean they know all the secrets, or how things work. I will look at what that guy said though just to be sure.
Yes, my trade is electronics. Part of my course was things like microwave, radar, radio, etc. so I do have some idea how stuff works. It gives me an advantage that a lot of people in here don't have.
There are some sites that state that HAARP is not Teslas work but that he only created something similar.

If the Chinese did attack it. You would have world war three.

O come on man people in the government get to know thing that the public would not know.

Checkout the vid with Nick Begrich on the on the conscious media network.

Here is the link for you.You will have to sign up, but it's for free.

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/home.htm


http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/jsmith.htm

this is a more detailed vid you can watch this.

[marpat]

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/jsmith.htm

If the Chinese did attack it. You would have world war three.

O come on man people in the government get to know thing that the public would not know.

Checkout the vid with Nick Begrich on the on the conscious media network.

Here is the link for you.You will have to sign up, but it's for free.

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/home.htm


http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/jsmith.htm

this is a more detailed vid you can watch this.

You are not totally correct. Not everybody in government knows everything. There is no need for them to all know and it constitues a risk to security if people know information that they don't need to have, especially if it is something as big as this.

Yes, if China attacked it would be a big problem but don't you think that it would be US provocation. The Chinese will have many scientists, some will be aware of Tesla and his works and they will be monitoring events with their own system so who is to say that such a thing, if it did occur like that, would go undetected?

I am not signing up for another site. I get sick of having to make new accounts just to get access to stuff.

[boots]

Originally Posted by boots http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=404079#post404079)
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/jsmith.htm

With this one marpat you can watch it straight away no need to sign up.

No, not everyone but this guys father sure did.

The Chinese do have their own system, they plan to use it when the Olympics start MSM. But, would there be such away to detect it, who knows Hey.

[i_am]

Her ya go!! Knock yourselves out

There are articles for and against :)

http://artbellradioshow.click11.com/HAARP

Overview of Angels Don't Play this HAARP: Advances in Tesla Technology

http://www.earthpulse.com/src/subcategory.asp?catid=1&subcatid=2

[marpat]

Her ya go!! Knock yourselves out

There are articles for and against :)

http://artbellradioshow.click11.com/HAARP

Overview of Angels Don't Play this HAARP: Advances in Tesla Technology

http://www.earthpulse.com/src/subcategory.asp?catid=1&subcatid=2


Read some of those articles but they are a bit fuzzy. You got anything that is really technical? one guy goes on to list that he has been 'assured' by many people what HAARP is, and state some of them have PHd's. I think we are left to faith to believe what he says.

I understand how transmitters work, what wave propogation is, etc. One question for anybody who can answer it. Why in Boots pic did it show the wave returning to earth? low frequency radio waves can travel in such a manner (ground wave propogation) but HAARP is high freq, which means the radiation travels line of sight only, ie. a straight line. The atmoshpere can only reflect low frequency waves and that is why long range ground based transimtters use very low frequency.

Gravity is not strong enough to pull such radiation back to earth otherwise you would never be able to communicate with space probes, etc. I am no expert on radiation but do know a bit about these processes so if somebody else has good technical info on how it works I would be interested.

[i_am]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/JEF401A.html

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/pandora/haarp.html

http://www.fas.org/spp/military/docops/usaf/2025/v3c15/v3c15-1.htm#Introduction

[boots]

The military knows what they want form it and how to use it marpat.

Why don't you. If you are into electronics?


The military says the HAARP system could:



give the military a tool to replace the electromagnetic pulse effect of atmospheric thermonuclear devices (still considered a viable option by the military through at least 1986).
replace the huge Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) submarine communication system operating in Michigan and Wisconsin with a new and more compact technology.
Be used to replace the over-the-horizon radar system that was once planned for the current location of HAARP, with a more flexible and accurate system.
provide a way to wipe out communications over an extremely large area, while keeping the military's own communications systems working.
provide a wide area earth-penetrating tomography which, if combined with the computing abilities of EMASS and Cray computers, would make it possible to verify many parts of nuclear nonproliferation and peace agreements.
be a tool for geophysical probing to find oil, gas and mineral deposits over a large area.
be used to detect incoming low-level planes and cruise missiles, making other technologies obsolete.

Put simply, the apparatus for HAARP is a reversal of a radio telescope; antennas send out signals instead of receiving. HAARP is the test run for a super-powerful radiowave-beaming technology that lifts areas of the ionosphere by focusing a beam and heating those areas. Electromagnetic waves then bounce back onto earth and penetrate everything -- living and dead.

Using satellites marpat.

[eternal_spirit]

I understand how transmitters work, what wave propogation is, etc. One question for anybody who can answer it. Why in Boots pic did it show the wave returning to earth? low frequency radio waves can travel in such a manner (ground wave propogation) but HAARP is high freq, which means the radiation travels line of sight only, ie. a straight line. The atmoshpere can only reflect low frequency waves and that is why long range ground based transimtters use very low frequency.

........................

Something to think about, chemtrails the metalic particles they contain work in conjunction with HAARP keyword ionosphere. I'll leave this for the more technically minded.

BTW to all the weather warefare treaty may go into weather modification

EDIT see boots has done it.

[kweli]

Read some of those articles but they are a bit fuzzy. You got anything that is really technical?

I've provided you with this link before Marpat, but in case you forgot, here we go again. Are these reports technical enough for you?

PDF REPORTS
This page contains military, government, and scientific reports pertaining to perpetual war, space wars, military budgets, aerial spraying, arms trading, procurement, and arms control, to list a few....

http://homepage.mac.com/carolepellatt/MATRIX/FileSharing255.html

[boots]

Well I wonder if marpat will look into this information that we have all provided for him.

The only conclusion you can come up with is.

1. HAARP is real.

2. HAARP is used for weather warfare by the military.

Oh and BTW Katrina had another strange anomaly it suddenly did a U turn and headed for the coast.

Before you answer marpat. Don't focus on this last statement.^

But give me a answer on the posts I have provide for you, for your information and assessment.

As well as others.(i_am and the link kweli has provided for you)

Thank You.

[boots]

........................

Something to think about, chemtrails the metalic particles they contain work in conjunction with HAARP keyword ionosphere. I'll leave this for the more technically minded.

BTW to all the weather warefare treaty may go into weather modification

Well I total forgot about that aspect to ES and from what I have read this is what chemtrails are made up off.

It all starts to make sense when you put it all together.

[i_am]

Well I total forgot about that aspect to ES and from what I have read this is what chemtrails are made up off.

It all starts to make sense when you put it all together.

I think there might be something about that in one of the links I posted. I know I read it but not sure if I posted it :(

[marpat]

I've provided you with this link before Marpat, but in case you forgot, here we go again. Are these reports technical enough for you?

PDF REPORTS
This page contains military, government, and scientific reports pertaining to perpetual war, space wars, military budgets, aerial spraying, arms trading, procurement, and arms control, to list a few....

http://homepage.mac.com/carolepellatt/MATRIX/FileSharing255.html

The HAARP doc won't open for some reason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[marpat]

I've provided you with this link before Marpat, but in case you forgot, here we go again. Are these reports technical enough for you?

PDF REPORTS
This page contains military, government, and scientific reports pertaining to perpetual war, space wars, military budgets, aerial spraying, arms trading, procurement, and arms control, to list a few....

http://homepage.mac.com/carolepellatt/MATRIX/FileSharing255.html

Managed to open the HAARP file. Very clever stuff that, but I don't recall seeing it mention it's application as a weapon. All that document described was how it can be used for a new form of radio wave propogation using the ionosphere.

I have no problem with the idea of how it works but what I would like to know is why people think it can cause an earthquake, giving real scientific ideas. If the answer is not in those docs then what use are they?

Went into the file about spraying the ocean, but once it's open if you put in a search term spray or spraying it finds nothing, which I find odd.

[marpat]

Some questions about HAARP

1) I see people mentioning chemtrails and the spraying of metallic stuff to facilitate HAARP. Well why is this being done all over the world apparently, and why have the Chinese not noticed aircraft in their airspace spraying all this metallic stuff, which will appear on their radars. Countries with dictators like theirs are very security conscious so you would think they would notice anything odd. If HAARP is to do with heating the ionosphere then why do you need metallic stuff a lot further down the atmosphere as this will actually cause radio reflections and cause the beam to disperse.

2) Has anybody researched aerial pheneomena in relation to earthquakes? it is know that strong earthquakes can cause lights in the sky like the ones associated with HAARP, although the mechanism is not fully understood, but which does not mean their is no natural explanation. To me it looks like people have thought 'lights in the sky, an eartquake, and HAARP', then put 2 and 2 together and got 666. Why do you think a lot of old sacred sites are built on or near fault lines? it is because of the lights in the sky.

3) How does a radio wave cause an earthquake? I know that radio waves will heat matter up, such as a microwave cooker will, but to heat matter up at long distance would need immense amounts of energy, and this does not mean it will cause an earthquake. I would expect to see people cooked maybe, or scorch marks caused by intense heat.

[boots]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/JEF401A.html

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/pandora/haarp.html

http://www.fas.org/spp/military/docops/usaf/2025/v3c15/v3c15-1.htm#Introduction

That was some good info there i_am:)

In the first link I recalled the article from the Western Australian press about the balls of blue lightning and how there were many witnesses to that event and also other stories from the past.

So it is resonance that they use to create an earthquake, as discovered by Tesla.

I see that in the research paper that was given to the military for controlling the weather by 2025.....bugger wont bother typing it.


The WFSE has the necessary sensor and communication capabilities to observe, detect, and act on weather-modification requirements to support US military objectives. These capabilities are part of an advanced battle area system that supports the war-fighting CINC. In our scenario, the CINC tasks the WFSE to conduct storm intensification and concealment operations. The WFSE models the atmospheric conditions to forecast, with 90 percent confidence, the likelihood of successful modification using airborne cloud generation and seeding.
In 2025, uninhabited aerospace vehicles (UAV) are routinely used for weather-modification operations. By cross-referencing desired attack times with wind and thunderstorm forecasts and the SPOT satellite's projected orbit, the WFSE generates mission profiles for each UAV. The WFSE guides each UAV using near-real-time information from a networked sensor array.
Prior to the attack, which is coordinated with forecasted weather conditions, the UAVs begin cloud generation and seeding operations. UAVs disperse a cirrus shield to deny enemy visual and infrared (IR) surveillance. Simultaneously, microwave heaters create localized scintillation to disrupt active sensing via synthetic aperture radar (SAR) systems such as the commercially available Canadian search and rescue satellite-aided tracking (SARSAT) that will be widely available in 2025. Other cloud seeding operations cause a developing thunderstorm to intensify over the target, severely limiting the enemy's capability to defend. The WFSE monitors the entire operation in real-time and notes the successful completion of another very important but routine weather-modification mission.
This scenario may seem far-fetched, but by 2025 it is within the realm of possibility. The next chapter explores the reasons for weather-modification, defines the scope, and examines trends that will make it possible in the next 30 years.




Now, the logical conclusion, IMO is that since the time of Tesla in 1919, when he discovered the ability to create resonance on a large scale and when he died and his apartment was ransacked, by some "shadowy figures" they would have had ample time to develop this technology for military purposes. Hences the construction of HAARP.

[lizzy]

mypet,.:D

ques. 2.........answer.......

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26812

[marpat]

So Tesla was able to induce powerful vibration into a pillar that affected a building, so what. The principle might work but to use such an idea on a global scale is not going to be the same. Also, how big was his vibrator compared to the pillar?

The difference here is that the device supposedly used is tiny compared to the size of the earth and the power generated to induce such a large quake must be immense, far beyond what can be transmitted by an antenna. I know people will quote his domino THEORY to say that only a small amount of force is initially used and is then carried on, but falling dominoes are not the same as solid earth. Dominoes are in a state of balance until the get knocked and then there is nothing to resist their fall so that only a small amount of force is needed, but the earth is not so. The earth is quite solid. If you stood all of the dominoes packed together then it would require more force to make them fall over and carry the wave purely because of the inertia of the solid mass, which absorbs the motion.

During WWII Barnes Wallis made a bomb called the grand slam which destroyed structures even if it missed them by causing powerful shock vibrations, but this was effective within only a limited area. That was a massive weapon and still only had limited effect.

So can anybody answer the quetions I put in the earlier post? I do think they are relevant if you are going to convince me of this theory.

[marpat]

mypet,.:D

ques. 2.........answer.......

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26812

That is not an answer Lizzy. All you done is to point me to a thread where there are pic of the lights. That does not prove their source or what caused them, which is essential to this debate.

You expect me to read 54 pages of people saying 'oh yes they used HAARP' when they have nothing except a coloured picture of the sky? if you think you know the answer then provide it, don't just post a link to other peoples ideas.

[marpat]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/JEF401A.html

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/pandora/haarp.html

http://www.fas.org/spp/military/docops/usaf/2025/v3c15/v3c15-1.htm#Introduction


Those links are not very impressive. A professor of economics talking about WMD's? are we supposed to take him seriously because of his credentials?

I can see the point for weather warfare although I do not feel happy about it purely because if you mess with the weather then you could cause massive problems that would not be predicatable, but that doc is a speculation about 2025.

[boots]

Those links are not very impressive. A professor of economics talking about WMD's? are we supposed to take him seriously because of his credentials?

I can see the point for weather warfare although I do not feel happy about it purely because if you mess with the weather then you could cause massive problems that would not be predicatable, but that doc is a speculation about 2025.

Ah, you really didn't read them at all marpat just section that conformed to your idea of it not being true.:rolleyes:

Now, the logical conclusion, IMO is that since the time of Tesla in 1919, when he discovered the ability to create resonance on a large scale and when he died and his apartment was ransacked, by some "shadowy figures" they would have had ample time to develop this technology for military purposes. Hences the construction of HAARP.


The military says the HAARP system could:



give the military a tool to replace the electromagnetic pulse effect of atmospheric thermonuclear devices (still considered a viable option by the military through at least 1986).
replace the huge Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) submarine communication system operating in Michigan and Wisconsin with a new and more compact technology.
Be used to replace the over-the-horizon radar system that was once planned for the current location of HAARP, with a more flexible and accurate system.
provide a way to wipe out communications over an extremely large area, while keeping the military's own communications systems working.
provide a wide area earth-penetrating tomography which, if combined with the computing abilities of EMASS and Cray computers, would make it possible to verify many parts of nuclear nonproliferation and peace agreements.
be a tool for geophysical probing to find oil, gas and mineral deposits over a large area.
be used to detect incoming low-level planes and cruise missiles, making other technologies obsolete.


It's probably that your just not high enough to be in on any stuff that it important marpat. So you wouldn't know.

[marpat]

Ah, you really didn't read them at all marpat just section that conformed to your idea of it not being true.:rolleyes:

Now, the logical conclusion, IMO is that since the time of Tesla in 1919, when he discovered the ability to create resonance on a large scale and when he died and his apartment was ransacked, by some "shadowy figures" they would have had ample time to develop this technology for military purposes. Hences the construction of HAARP.


The military says the HAARP system could:



give the military a tool to replace the electromagnetic pulse effect of atmospheric thermonuclear devices (still considered a viable option by the military through at least 1986).
replace the huge Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) submarine communication system operating in Michigan and Wisconsin with a new and more compact technology.
Be used to replace the over-the-horizon radar system that was once planned for the current location of HAARP, with a more flexible and accurate system.
provide a way to wipe out communications over an extremely large area, while keeping the military's own communications systems working.
provide a wide area earth-penetrating tomography which, if combined with the computing abilities of EMASS and Cray computers, would make it possible to verify many parts of nuclear nonproliferation and peace agreements.
be a tool for geophysical probing to find oil, gas and mineral deposits over a large area.
be used to detect incoming low-level planes and cruise missiles, making other technologies obsolete.


It's probably that your just not high enough to be in on any stuff that it important marpat. So you wouldn't know.


Funny that, I am on the inside and don't know yet you are on the outside and know it all. How does that work.

The things you say HAARP does in that list need different requirements. A radio and a radar do have similarities in that the have a transmitter and a receiver but how they work is very different, so what you say about HAARP just doesn't make sense. Perhaps you can enlighten me with some details as I obviously am not high enough on the ladder to have access to such details :rolleyes:

You say I only read the bits that confirm that it doesn't work. Well if I see it like that why don't you disprove me, perhaps with some calculations. It is a scientific gadget so give me some real science not the sci-fi stuff. Some of those links are truly crap and give no explanatiosn just speculations, and bad ones at that.

Yes I guess it is your opinion that Tesla had something that affects resonance, but proof is something else. What you said proves nothing and is a speculation.

I asked a few questions a few posts ago yet nobody has bothered to answer them. If you want to convince people you need the information and knowledeg to back it up, unless you are happy to leave it in the realm of belief. Why not put the good information into a complete package rather than just giving lists of links, most of which are rubbish

[boots]

Funny that, I am on the inside and don't know yet you are on the outside and know it all. How does that work.

The things you say HAARP does in that list need different requirements. A radio and a radar do have similarities in that the have a transmitter and a receiver but how they work is very different, so what you say about HAARP just doesn't make sense. Perhaps you can enlighten me with some details as I obviously am not high enough on the ladder to have access to such details :rolleyes:

You say I only read the bits that confirm that it doesn't work. Well if I see it like that why don't you disprove me, perhaps with some calculations. It is a scientific gadget so give me some real science not the sci-fi stuff. Some of those links are truly crap and give no explanatiosn just speculations, and bad ones at that.

Yes I guess it is your opinion that Tesla had something that affects resonance, but proof is something else. What you said proves nothing and is a speculation.

I asked a few questions a few posts ago yet nobody has bothered to answer them. If you want to convince people you need the information and knowledeg to back it up, unless you are happy to leave it in the realm of belief. Why not put the good information into a complete package rather than just giving lists of links, most of which are rubbish

Yeah funny that. You work for the military and you don't know anything ,you know why it's because your a useless eater just as Henry Kissinger said, grow up and stop being a slave to the military.

WHAT, denying that Telsa didn't know what he was on about and had no PROOF Woah, marpats smarter than Tesla.

What a joke.

I posted diagrams for you to look at yet you didn't answer them in a thoughtful way, wait hang on you didn't even answer them.(ref:dia 2)

I think your on drugs that give you tunnel vision :rolleyes:

Again, there is information there put out by the military attesting to the validity of HAARP and if you had checked the links you would have found that that there are government papers that verify the use of HAARP.

Anything that gets to close to the true, is to hard for you to comprehend marpat so you deny it by not even commenting on it :rolleyes:

[marpat]

Yeah funny that. You work for the military and you don't know anything ,you know why it's because your a useless eater just as Henry Kissinger said, grow up and stop being a slave to the military.

WHAT, denying that Telsa didn't know what he was on about and had no PROOF Woah, marpats smarter than Tesla.

What a joke.

I posted diagrams for you to look at yet you didn't answer them in a thoughtful way, wait hang on you didn't even answer them.(ref:dia 2)

I think your on drugs that give you tunnel vision :rolleyes:

Again, there is information there put out by the military attesting to the validity of HAARP and if you had checked the links you would have found that that there are government papers that verify the use of HAARP.

Anything that gets to close to the true, is to hard for you to comprehend marpat so you deny it by not even commenting on it :rolleyes:


That diagram showed nothing. The labels weren't even descriptive. Nobody described what it did, although I did ask. I don't doubt that HAARP works but I havent seen the military claiming that you can use it for earthquakes. If there is an official government or military doc that states it can be used for earthquakes then give me a link. You really are misled because I never said that the military don't use it, I just doubt the whole earthquake thing.

So this is what it gets down to, you can't provide answer for a few questions so you go down the route of attacking me. That's fine but it just proves that you don't know the answers. If you can't asnwer a few question that I put to you then how do you expect to convice me? if you really had a handle on the subject you would be able to provide all the details, how it works scientifically and how it can be applied, with all relevant calculations, but you don't have that info.

You can try and slag me off if you want but the facts are plain. At least I have a working knowledge of such systems whereas you don't and this is why you are lead to believe sci-fi stuff, whereas I like real, solid information. You didn't even know the technical difference between a radar and a radio.

Did any of my posts say Tesla didn't know what he was talking about? I think you are imagining things now. Lets get some facts, you gave your OPINION that Teslas work was stolen by the military and they developed it, pure speculation, a fantasy trip. If you read some of those web site you will see that some claim that HAARP has nothing to do with Tesla and that people have begun to associate them purely because Tesla came up with a similar idea, not the same thing.

If you can provide real data about how HAARP can be used, not sci-fi web site, then I will be happy to accept it that. We can either debate the validity of your claims like adults or you can act like a juvenile and get personal.

It would be more appreciated and beneficial for everybody if people posted good answers into concise posts rather than expecting people to trawl through lists of web pages.

[lizzy]

Yeah funny that. You work for the military and you don't know anything ,you know why it's because your a useless eater just as Henry Kissinger said, grow up and stop being a slave to the military.

WHAT, denying that Telsa didn't know what he was on about and had no PROOF Woah, marpats smarter than Tesla.

What a joke.

I posted diagrams for you to look at yet you didn't answer them in a thoughtful way, wait hang on you didn't even answer them.(ref:dia 2)

I think your on drugs that give you tunnel vision :rolleyes:

Again, there is information there put out by the military attesting to the validity of HAARP and if you had checked the links you would have found that that there are government papers that verify the use of HAARP.

Anything that gets to close to the true, is to hard for you to comprehend marpat so you deny it by not even commenting on it :rolleyes:

hi boots:)

If maprat is really "on the inside", he's just doing his job, :eek: LOL( I just wish he did'nt target the gulable seeker toward the UN's one religion , the Occult ).....that aside.......he's really alot of fun:D:D:D
Days order sheet ....HAARP / bad.........SATAN / good..:rolleyes: LOL

just for you mypet...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dorxkq6S5oQ&feature=user

[boots]

hi boots:)

If maprat is really "on the inside", he's just doing his job, :eek: LOL( I just wish he did'nt target the gulable seeker toward the UN's one religion , the Occult ).....that aside.......he's really alot of fun:D:D:D
Days order sheet ....HAARP / bad.........SATAN / good..:rolleyes: LOL

just for you mypet...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dorxkq6S5oQ&feature=user

LMAO good one lizzy:)

Bless him for keeping up the good work.:rolleyes:

What would they do without him:p:)

[marpat]

Well thanks Boots and Lizzy for proving my point so well. The fact that you cannot and have not answered my questions in a clear and scientific manner proves without a doubt that the reason why you cannot answer the questions is because the whole idea of HAARP being used to cause earthquake is ridiculous. If you have any real data on the subject then why have you not posted it? because you don't have such data!!!

The reality is that you want to believe this is true because it makes you feel like you know what is going on in the world, you need to feel like you are privvy to really secret science to spice up your very dull lives. For people who know about all this secret science and how it works I would bet that you do not have jobs that require any technical knowledge or skill, and which probably require no qualifications either.

All that is left to do now is for you to pat each other on the back, close your eyes to real science, and continue to believe in sci-fi technology.

For me it is simply case closed due to inability of people to provide compelling scientific information.

[neil]

Well thanks Boots and Lizzy for proving my point so well. The fact that you cannot and have not answered my questions in a clear and scientific manner proves without a doubt that the reason why you cannot answer the questions is because the whole idea of HAARP being used to cause earthquake is ridiculous. If you have any real data on the subject then why have you not posted it? because you don't have such data!!!

The reality is that you want to believe this is true because it makes you feel like you know what is going on in the world, you need to feel like you are privvy to really secret science to spice up your very dull lives. For people who know about all this secret science and how it works I would bet that you do not have jobs that require any technical knowledge or skill, and which probably require no qualifications either.

All that is left to do now is for you to pat each other on the back, close your eyes to real science, and continue to believe in sci-fi technology.

For me it is simply case closed due to inability of people to provide compelling scientific information.

Marpat, if you're really interested in clear and scientific answers to your questions, you're so in the wrong place! Yet you keep asking. Gotta love your persistence.

Surely, the point is that sci-fi technology, as far as most people is concerned, does exist. But in secret. Anyone know exactly how HAARP works? Yes. But they're working in secret. Same can be said for any number of technologies.

Should this stop us talking about what they might be? Certainly not.

It's a bit mean-spirited to criticise people for not being able to provide the science behind projects cloaked in secrecy.

If you want to try to close down this discussion (what a nerve!) please let's have any of the scientific disproof you may have to hand on this subject.

[tinmenace]

Interesting. I'll be using the original post on another forum where such a discussion is on the way also. I hope that's ok. :)

Thanks for sharing.

[alexav]

Hey Marpat... I know what you want... instead of proofs you want someone with such clearance to put you in front of the button of the machine that makes earthquakes... and you want too to push the button just to prove it works! Because if you don't push it you can't believe it's a working machine...

Any way... like others siad it here you are little disgusting just asking for proof of something without giving a chance to your brain to figure it some of this... and of course gaining a little more knowledge...

So here's the machine... go on change to a tiger please...

http://bp3.blogger.com/_cI-4tmhBLvY/RyhL0PvNpQI/AAAAAAAAAqI/kGHsb_SEGcY/s400/calvin+transmogrify.bmp

[marpat]

Hey Marpat... I know what you want... instead of proofs you want someone with such clearance to put you in front of the button of the machine that makes earthquakes... and you want too to push the button just to prove it works! Because if you don't push it you can't believe it's a working machine...

Any way... like others siad it here you are little disgusting just asking for proof of something without giving a chance to your brain to figure it some of this... and of course gaining a little more knowledge...

So here's the machine... go on change to a tiger please...

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Well Im glad you think it's disgusting that I ask for proof. Maybe people should try and prove what they are stating.

I have worked on radars and radios so at least I have an idea how they work. I don't need to rely on the posts of people who have no technical background so perhaps you should learn something about radios and radars before you tell me to learn something.

People in here expect others to believe in radios causing earthquakes and when questioned how this is done they just shrug their shoulders and don't offer explanations. The real world is not like that.

Look a few posts back and tell me if you can answer my questions in clear terms with no sci-fi explanations.

[alexav]

Ok I could learn something from you... hehehe radars or some of the stuff that you could manage, but... Could you learn something about what I manage? Even putting it in a fare way, could you even understand it? I don't think soo, why? Because that kind of knowledge it's not available in universitys or schools hehe if you want to believe me it's a matter of the kind of things that you had experienced in the life... and by the way you write I don't think that even had pass by your mind some of this things like foreseeing, energetic healing, the flow of the energy in the body in the earth, and that kind of stuff... so it's a little weird try to explain it to you if you are not in the same path that I am...

So let's keep it like this I respect what you know, and the way you expose it, (had read all the posts) and you respect the knowledge of someone who post here like you... if anyone believes that it could happen in some way any thing let them believe it, so what matters to you if you're safe in your knowledge that this kind of thing doesn't happens like them said...

I don't see a problem here! Just see and understand that you're talking about machines and how they work (because your experience) and I or someone else perhaps are talking about other things ... (becuase our experience)

To share that experiences in the best way to let others know about it... that's the only thing that could be better for all of us...

Unless of course that you feel like you know everything about all the posible things that could ever happen to all mankind and then you don't need to know any thing else from no one... like me... or another man or woman or alien or any any species from the universe... hehehe I recomend you to stop thinking in machines and have some time taking a look to the ants in the garden.

[marpat]

Ok I could learn something from you... hehehe radars or some of the stuff that you could manage, but... Could you learn something about what I manage? Even putting it in a fare way, could you even understand it? I don't think soo, why? Because that kind of knowledge it's not available in universitys or schools hehe if you want to believe me it's a matter of the kind of things that you had experienced in the life... and by the way you write I don't think that even had pass by your mind some of this things like foreseeing, energetic healing, the flow of the energy in the body in the earth, and that kind of stuff... so it's a little weird try to explain it to you if you are not in the same path that I am...

So let's keep it like this I respect what you know, and the way you expose it, (had read all the posts) and you respect the knowledge of someone who post here like you... if anyone believes that it could happen in some way any thing let them believe it, so what matters to you if you're safe in your knowledge that this kind of thing doesn't happens like them said...

I don't see a problem here! Just see and understand that you're talking about machines and how they work (because your experience) and I or someone else perhaps are talking about other things ... (becuase our experience)

To share that experiences in the best way to let others know about it... that's the only thing that could be better for all of us...

Unless of course that you feel like you know everything about all the posible things that could ever happen to all mankind and then you don't need to know any thing else from no one... like me... or another man or woman or alien or any any species from the universe... hehehe I recomend you to stop thinking in machines and have some time taking a look to the ants in the garden.

Trying to take the attitude of knowing stuff that isn't taught is really admitting failure to explain the technology. The fact is that while what I have worked on has it's limitations it give me valuable insight into how devices work, something which most people in here don't have it would seem.

As an occultist I am completely aware of the human energy stuff so again don't try and give me the I know better thing.

Again all that you have done here is to deflect the fact that people are stating things which they cannot explain. Lots of shoulder shrugging going on for people who know so much that universities don't teach.

Unless people can give answers and not try the 'we know better than the uni graduates although we cant read' response then the subject is finished.

[i_am]

Trying to take the attitude of knowing stuff that isn't taught is really admitting failure to explain the technology. The fact is that while what I have worked on has it's limitations it give me valuable insight into how devices work, something which most people in here don't have it would seem.

As an occultist I am completely aware of the human energy stuff so again don't try and give me the I know better thing.

Again all that you have done here is to deflect the fact that people are stating things which they cannot explain. Lots of shoulder shrugging going on for people who know so much that universities don't teach.

Unless people can give answers and not try the 'we know better than the uni graduates although we cant read' response then the subject is finished .

hmmm!! I don't believe that is your call. If it is finished for you that is fine. You have given your views but if people with whom you disagree wish to continue discussing this subject they have every right to do so.

[marpat]

hmmm!! I don't believe that is your call. If it is finished for you that is fine. You have given your views but if people with whom you disagree wish to continue discussing this subject they have every right to do so.


Yes, I should have made it clear, finished for me!!

[alexav]

Before you go... I never said that one thing it's better than other, just make clear the point that if you have not experience some kind of knowledge that doesn't teach anyone in major or known schools then it will be some difficult to explain it to you with a diagram or a step by step instruction... theres no technology of human nature yet involved in the feelings... in the hearth... in the knowledge within a human, of course if I try to explain some of this you will think I'm weird... thats the way all people with no experience in something judges this kind of issues... It's not an attack ... it's an invite, an incite to join us to this side of the path... because I have to realize that if you are here it's for some reason, or not?

Have nice day tomorrow and weekend!

[marpat]

Before you go... I never said that one thing it's better than other, just make clear the point that if you have not experience some kind of knowledge that doesn't teach anyone in major or known schools then it will be some difficult to explain it to you with a diagram or a step by step instruction... theres no technology of human nature yet involved in the feelings... in the hearth... in the knowledge within a human, of course if I try to explain some of this you will think I'm weird... thats the way all people with no experience in something judges this kind of issues... It's not an attack ... it's an invite, an incite to join us to this side of the path... because I have to realize that if you are here it's for some reason, or not?

Have nice day tomorrow and weekend!

Who said I am not on the right side? however, I will not put myself with people who make all sorts of claims but then prove incapable of backing those claims up. My days of taking things at face value are long gone.

[alexav]

Sorry but again you are victim of your own words... I didn't measure right or wrong sides... just note that my invite is to come to this side...

By the way I'm not claiming up anything, just figure out how things could work by a hearth feeling, and that even your mom or grandparents could tell you how works...

How do you measure again the feeling you have to your relatives?

How do you measure with a machine the love you feel...?

I know that there's been studies about how the brain works and what changes take to get in love and all kind of symptoms that happens to a human being when he does or think something, even now they're experimenting in the expressions of the face and gueesing what a person could be thinking to use it in airports to stop posible hijakers or terrorist... but again what is the matter of all this?

They can't tell you (by the way a more easy way to) what is love! and the feelings of someone... Do you want a prove of love...?

We could perform a little exercise only and specially for you... and you and only you will be the measurer of the strange things that happens when the love is all around...

If interested in exercise just say yes... and even with the troubles of time regions and the distance I could perform something... Or lets put it in this way... now I'm starting without your yes or not confirmation... just look around the hints... and the people around you and even in your dreams you will perhaps notice it... ///

[geronimo]

If the U.S are found by the Chinese government to be responsible for the earthquake, it will be a test of Benjamin Fulfords claim about the ninja assasins.. either there will be a lot of very dead elite in the west, or the elite will be even more sure of themselves.
just a thought.

One thing is for certain, there will NOT be a lot of very dead elite in the west, or anywhere else, for that matter. If you've been following Benjamin Fulford's interviews on Jeff Rense, in the last one he talks about an assassination attempt - on himself - having first been tailed by a large black vehicle with the chinese number for death on the numberplate. When he approached the Secret Society supposedly responsible for his welfare they told him they were WASHING THEIR HANDS of him and will no longer have anything to do with him.
WHAT!!? this is same group that swore to protect him, that swore to defend the Chinese against race-specific bioweapons, etc... Huh? Benjamin now claims that MOSSAD is behind the assassination attempt. He further claims that the world has changed substantially in the sense that a number of countries are standing against the United States and refusing to cooperate with the fascists that control them, that they are completely isolated, and that Asia is 'holding America to ransom' economically until they stop their wars of aggression. I agree with the fascist part, (and not much else) since this is being confirmed in so many ways and in a direct sense by new research into the Bush family, which indicates not only that Prescott Bush was a major financial supporter of Hitler, but the apparent concealment of German descent from Nikola Tesla's accountant, while the family entered America under a false name - and it would seem there's a great deal more behind this yet to come out with Vatican secret archives, Tesla's father's connection to said archives and Rockefeller manipulation.
Isn't it the case that researchers who exposed the Yakuza and Yamaguchi crime gangs as being historically part of the Illuminati were correct, and we are now seeing that the story presented by Benjamin Fulford is fatally flawed, if not missing the big picture entirely?
You will now observe that VAST amounts of speculator's money are finding their way into China - from the west. You may also note that the same economic manipulated disaster that is afflicting the west is hurting China. How does this fit into Ben's picture of an embattled, isolated America isolated, 'at odds' with the rest of the world?
We need to see this from a birds-eye perspective. At the highest level, China is not 'separate' from America or Russia - they are both controlled by the same players in this global chess game, just as David says.
I don't have anything against Benjamin Fulford, I like the guy, but whether he's missed the big picture or is being actively used as a tool in someone's else's agenda is my question - as for HAARP or longitudinal weapons used against China, we know from Tom Bearden that these toys are real, in fact it's been officially admitted. If they can be used against China they can also be used to create a tsunami or flood the American midwest creating economic devastation impacting the food markets funnily enough, just as they are being hit everywhere else.
As far as the Illuminati are concerned, China versus the west, the west versus Russia, Islam versus Christianity, is all to them just a big banquet where they are slobbering and drooling in the shadows waiting to feast. The more conflict, disagreement, bloodshed, disunity, war, starvation, the better. That's what they feed on - and they will go out of their way to promote more, because that's what they do.

geronimo

[lizzy]

Who said I am not on the right side? however, I will not put myself with people who make all sorts of claims but then prove incapable of backing those claims up. My days of taking things at face value are long gone.

For an electronics engineer who admits they work for the military and OTO member , I am not surprized in the least your forte is the Satanic, it's the U.N's religion:D and you'd never even heard of Tesla, LOL.

[element]

I know that there's been studies about how the brain works and what changes take to get in love and all kind of symptoms that happens to a human being when he does or think something, even now they're experimenting in the expressions of the face and gueesing what a person could be thinking to use it in airports to stop posible hijakers or terrorist... but again what is the matter of all this?

They can't tell you (by the way a more easy way to) what is love! and the feelings of someone... Do you want a prove of love...?



Feelings and thoughts cannot be proved. Psychologists are the biggest scam and are always judging books by their cover. They have no idea what we really are in the first place.

[marpat]

For an electronics engineer who admits they work for the military and OTO member , I am not surprized in the least your forte is the Satanic, it's the U.N's religion:D and you'd never even heard of Tesla, LOL.


I see again that you offer nothing related to the thread and just go straight for the personal attack. Force of habit is it?

Do some research, learn how things work, and then when you have something realistic to offer you may win my support.

[neil]

the world has changed substantially

We heard that a lot after 9/11. It's a great justification for virtually anythng.

Beware people using that phrase.

[marpat]

Feelings and thoughts cannot be proved. Psychologists are the biggest scam and are always judging books by their cover. They have no idea what we really are in the first place.

Very true but his problem was that they cannot prove what they are stating about science, hence he has gone down a totally different route.

[neil]

Do some research, learn how things work, and then when you have something realistic to offer you may win my support.

What is this, some sort of test? Give over. Or give us what you know and help progress the debate.

[neil]

Very true but his problem was that they cannot prove what they are stating about science, hence he has gone down a totally different route.

It's not science that's the issue here, but knowledge about science deployed secretly.

Given the more or less fictional nature of such projects in the public realm, discussing them in part through fiction should regarded as perfectly fine.

[boots]

Who said I am not on the right side? however, I will not put myself with people who make all sorts of claims but then prove incapable of backing those claims up. My days of taking things at face value are long gone.

You always think you are right. It's what the Sergent Major tells you whats right.

Yes Sir, how far shall I bend over, Sir

Think with your right brain.

[marpat]

It's not science that's the issue here, but knowledge about science deployed secretly.

Given the more or less fictional nature of such projects in the public realm, discussing them in part through fiction should regarded as perfectly fine.

I have no problem with people throwing out ideas as that is how things get developed. What I don't like is when somebody says HAARP has defintely done this then shrugs their shoulders at how it can be done. All I want to see is some real science to back up the theory, and not just something that was apparently written on the back of Teslas phone bill.

People are making statements that the US has deliberately killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians using a weapon that they cannot prove even works. While I don't doubt the callousness of the US I really do doubt the statements.

Why not say faster than light travel is possible but then say that you don't know how it works or that you can prove it with at least some calculation. Anybody can come up with stuff like that and as you don't need to prove it to believers they will just suck it up and continue to spend their cash on books, etc. You can even convince yourself that your finger is on the pulse regarding top secret weapons and you don't have to prove any of it.

[i_am]

Originally Posted by i_am
hmmm!! I don't believe that is your call. If it is finished for you that is fine. You have given your views but if people with whom you disagree wish to continue discussing this subject they have every right to do so.

Yes, I should have made it clear, finished for me!!

:rolleyes:

[montag]

Why not say faster than light travel is possible but then say that you don't know how it works or that you can prove it with at least some calculation.
Faster than light travel is possible..

[boots]

Air Force Aims for Weather Control
February 8, 2006 03:06 PM
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002163.html Someday the U.S. military could drive a trailer to a spot just beyond insurgent fighting and, within minutes, reconfigure part of the atmosphere (http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/mh/dti0206/index.php?startpage=12), blocking an enemy's ability to receive satellite signals, even as U.S. troops are able to see into the area with radar.


http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/epics/sand_cloud.jpg (http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/epics/sand_cloud.jpg)
Figure 5. Sand Storm
source (http://www.defensetech.org/images/sand_cloud.jpg): webpage (http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002163.html): "This scenario may not be far away," says Defense Tech pal Sharon Weinberger (http://www.imaginaryweapons.com/) in this month's edition of the always-excellent Defense Technology International (http://www.defensetechnologyinternational.com/).
An engineer with Research Support Instruments (http://www.researchsupport.com/) in Princeton, N.J. recently completed the first phase of work for a U.S. Air Force sponsored project called Microwave Ionosphere Reconfiguration Ground based Emitter, or Mirage (http://www.dodsbir.net/selections/abs051/dodabs051.htm). (scroll down)

The work involves using plasma — an ionized gas — to reconfigure the ionosphere. Mirage would employ a microwave transmitter on the ground and a small rocket that shoots chaff into the air to produce about a liter of plasma at 60-100 km. (36- 60 mi.) in altitude, changing the number of electrons in a select area of the ionosphere to create a virtual barrier. Ionosphere reconfiguration offers two major applications of interest to the military: bouncing radars off the ionosphere, also known as over-the-horizon radar, and the ability to jam signals from the Global Positioning Satellite system, according to John Kline, the lead investigator for Mirage.

This work is only the latest effort in Kline's more extensive investigations of atmospheric plasmas… Before Mirage, Kline had another contract for a project called Plasma Point Defense (http://www.navysbir.com/04_1/63.htm), which explored the possibility of using a plasma weapon on board a U.S. Navy surface vessel to protect against threats ranging from surface-to-surface missiles to mortars and rocket-propelled grenades.

In the past, NASA's fringe science arm has looked into tweaking Mother Nature, to throw hurricanes off their course (http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001798.html). But those were just computer simulations. No one actually tried to go out a build some weather control mach

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"WEATHER WARFARE"

World renowned scientist Dr. Rosalie Bertell confirms that "US military scientists ... are working on weather systems as a potential weapon. The methods include the enhancing of storms and the diverting of vapor rivers in the Earth's atmosphere to produce targeted droughts or floods." (2) Already in the 1970s, former National Security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski had foreseen in his book "Between Two Ages" that:

"Technology will make available, to the leaders of major nations, techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need be appraised... [T]echniques of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm."

Marc Filterman, a former French military officer, outlines several types of "unconventional weapons" using radio frequencies. He refers to "weather war," indicating that the U.S. and the Soviet Union had already "mastered the know-how needed to unleash sudden climate changes (hurricanes, drought) in the early 1980s."(3) These technologies make it "possible to trigger atmospheric disturbances by using Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) radar [waves]." (4)

A simulation study of future defense "scenarios" commissioned for the US Air Force calls for:

"US aerospace forces to 'own the weather' by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies to war-fighting applications... From enhancing friendly operations or disrupting those of the enemy via small-scale tailoring of natural weather patterns to complete dominance of global communications and counterspace control, weather-modification offers the war fighter a wide-range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary... In the United States, weather-modification will likely become a part of national security policy with both domestic and international applications. Our government will pursue such a policy, depending on its interests, at various levels.(5)

HIGH-FREQUENCY ACTIVE AURORAL RESEARCH PROGRAM (HAARP)

The High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) based in Gokoma Alaska --jointly managed by the US Air Force and the US Navy-- is part of a new generation of sophisticated weaponry under the US Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI). Operated by the Air Force Research Laboratory's Space Vehicles Directorate, HAARP constitutes a system of powerful antennas capable of creating "controlled local modifications of the ionosphere". Scientist Dr. Nicholas Begich --actively involved in the public campaign against HAARP-- describes HAARP as:

"A super-powerful radiowave-beaming technology that lifts areas of the ionosphere [upper layer of the atmosphere] by focusing a beam and heating those areas. Electromagnetic waves then bounce back onto earth and penetrate everything -- living and dead." (6)

Dr. Rosalie Bertell depicts HAARP as "a gigantic heater that can cause major disruption in the ionosphere, creating not just holes, but long incisions in the protective layer that keeps deadly radiation from bombarding the planet." 7

MISLEADING PUBLIC OPINION

HAARP has been presented to public opinion as a program of scientific and academic research. US military documents seem to suggest, however, that HAARP's main objective is to "exploit the ionosphere for Department of Defense purposes." (8) Without explicitly referring to the HAARP program, a US Air Force study points to the use of "induced ionospheric modifications" as a means of altering weather patterns as well as disrupting enemy communications and radar.9

According to Dr. Rosalie Bertell, HAARP is part of a integrated weapons' system, which has potentially devastating environmental consequences:

"It is related to fifty years of intensive and increasingly destructive programs to understand and control the upper atmosphere. It would be rash not to associate HAARP with the space laboratory construction which is separately being planned by the United States. HAARP is an integral part of a long history of space research and development of a deliberate military nature. The military implications of combining these projects is alarming. ... The ability of the HAARP / Spacelab/ rocket combination to deliver very large amount of energy, comparable to a nuclear bomb, anywhere on earth via laser and particle beams, are frightening. The project is likely to be "sold" to the public as a space shield against incoming weapons, or, for the more gullible, a device for repairing the ozone layer. (10)

In addition to weather manipulation, HAARP has a number of related uses:

"HAARP could contribute to climate change by intensively bombarding the atmosphere with high-frequency rays... Returning low-frequency waves at high intensity could also affect people's brains, and effects on tectonic movements cannot be ruled out. (11)

More generally, HAARP has the ability of modifying the World's electro-magnetic field. It is part of an arsenal of "electronic weapons" which US military researchers consider a "gentler and kinder warfare". (12)

WEAPONS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER

HAARP is part of the weapons arsenal of the New World Order under the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI). From military command points in the US, entire national economies could potentially be destabilized through climatic manipulations. More importantly, the latter can be implemented without the knowledge of the enemy, at minimal cost and without engaging military personnel and equipment as in a conventional war.

The use of HAARP -- if it were to be applied -- could have potentially devastating impacts on the World's climate. Responding to US economic and strategic interests, it could be used to selectively modify climate in different parts of the World resulting in the destabilization of agricultural and ecological systems.

It is also worth noting that the US Department of Defense has allocated substantial resources to the development of intelligence and monitoring systems on weather changes. NASA and the Department of Defense's National Imagery and Mapping Agency (NIMA) are working on "imagery for studies of flooding, erosion, land-slide hazards, earthquakes, ecological zones, weather forecasts, and climate change" with data relayed from satellites. (13)

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You might not believe that HAARP works for earthquakes marpat but the military does.


The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction: "Owning the Weather" for Military Use
Excerpts from a September 27, 2004 article from the Centre for Research on Globalization, titled "The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction: "Owning the Weather" for Military Use" (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20040927&articleId=319)

"The US Air Force has the capability of manipulating climate either for testing purposes or for outright military-intelligence use. These capabilities extend to the triggering of floods, hurricanes, droughts and earthquakes. In recent years, large amounts of money have been allocated by the US Department of Defense to further developing and perfecting these capabilities."

[The article then provides this quote from the above-referenced study commissioned for the US Air Force:] "Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally... It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes. The ability to generate precipitation, fog, and storms on earth or to modify space weather, ... and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of technologies which can provide substantial increase in US, or degraded capability in an adversary, to achieve global awareness, reach, and power."

[alexav]

Ouch!

Nice info to all of you... thanx!

Marpat... How was your day?

[alienspirit]

Well this is not my forte but can you give me a run down of how this could happen?

If somebody makes a claim in a thread it should be clearly explained. It should not require people to start surfing links and doing research. If people cant be bothered to explain their claims they should not start a thread.

I am not that bothered about the theory of how it can happen but how, if it was used, was it deployed. Tell me how the US created the conditions for such a thing to happen.

I agree your a troll,
read the original post, go watch the you tube video Fulford vs HAARP (http://youtube.com/watch?v=InV0cVH6KZc) - if you need a new link

[marpat]

You might not believe that HAARP works for earthquakes marpat but the military does.


The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction: "Owning the Weather" for Military Use
Excerpts from a September 27, 2004 article from the Centre for Research on Globalization, titled "The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction: "Owning the Weather" for Military Use" (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20040927&articleId=319)

"The US Air Force has the capability of manipulating climate either for testing purposes or for outright military-intelligence use. These capabilities extend to the triggering of floods, hurricanes, droughts and earthquakes. In recent years, large amounts of money have been allocated by the US Department of Defense to further developing and perfecting these capabilities."

[The article then provides this quote from the above-referenced study commissioned for the US Air Force:] "Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally... It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes. The ability to generate precipitation, fog, and storms on earth or to modify space weather, ... and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of technologies which can provide substantial increase in US, or degraded capability in an adversary, to achieve global awareness, reach, and power."


Although that page states and engineer said something that means nothing. Anybody can write quotes to serve their purpose and then say and engineer told them. The word earthquake is mentioned twice in that document and each time is put in a context that sounds like speculation rather than fact.

If you read that document properly nowhere does it say that the air force use HAARP to trigger earthquakes. This is where people are just putting the idea together because they are seeing the both subjects covered on the same web page. Again, lack of proof that HAARP cause an earthquake.

Also quote from that page

'While there is no firm evidence that the US Air Force weather warfare facilities have been deliberately applied to modify weather patterns, one would expect that if these capabilities are being developed for military use, they would at least be the object of routine testing, much in the same way as the testing of new conventional and strategic weapons systems'......guesswork

[lizzy]

I see again that you offer nothing related to the thread and just go straight for the personal attack. Force of habit is it?

Do some research, learn how things work, and then when you have something realistic to offer you may win my support.

Win your Support. That proves it. You really are totally off your rocker,LOL.

I gave up debating you months ago. Everything that was put infront of you was denied and I have since read it in thread after thread.

Stick with Satanism , you seem to understand THAT very well.

Do they pay you overtime to do a 'science' thread, LOL

[marpat]

Win your Support. That proves it. You really are totally off your rocker,LOL.

I gave up debating you months ago. Everything that was put infront of you was denied and I have since read it in thread after thread.

Stick with Satanism , you seem to understand THAT very well.

Do they pay you overtime to do a 'science' thread, LOL

Lets look at this response. Again you do not comment on anything relevant to the thread, so you are trolling.

You say you have given up debating with me, but what are you trying to do now? I think you are tired of being beaten so you resort to the only tactic you have left, the insult.

Saying I am a satanist is a lie. In the thread on satanism that you kept trolling you could not even define what satanism is, so how can I be something that you yourself are incapable of defining? and you say I am off my rocker.

Perhaps during the breaks between your housing projects, such as cooking and cleaning, you can do some real research and I might even listen to what you say then.

[alienspirit]

Originally Posted by Marpat
Well if you read that part of revelations you will find no references to 200 million soldiers.

Can you give me a brief overview of how such a strike would happen?

Taken off the topic of HAARP with the first reply from Marpal asking a question about revelations...

Originally Posted by Marpat
And may I add that you have already taken the thread off topic, so can we get back to talking about how HAARP was used in this quake and leave theology for another thread, please?
Marpat moaning about others answering his questions about revelations...


Originally Posted by Marpat
You are trolling the thread. Can you answer how HAARP was used to attack China? no crap about it being sorcery, just plain facts.
Read the frigging original post, visit the links given and you'll understand how HAARP could and prolly was used to attack China.

These quotes are just from the first page, I could go on but I really dont want to, just because you have 1000's of post Marpat, doesnt make you the authority on all things here.

Next time shut your mouth, open your eyes & ears, read what ppl have posted, follow the links provided... ppl like you make me sick...

[marpat]

Taken off the topic of HAARP with the first reply from Marpal asking a question about revelations...


Marpat moaning about others answering his questions about revelations...



Read the frigging original post, visit the links given and you'll understand how HAARP could and prolly was used to attack China.

These quotes are just from the first page, I could go on but I really dont want to, just because you have 1000's of post Marpat, doesnt make you the authority on all things here.

Next time shut your mouth, open your eyes & ears, read what ppl have posted, follow the links provided... ppl like you make me sick...

OOOO hark at you, 10 posts and you act like you own the forum.

Please do go on. You act like think you have authority so perhaps you can give credible evidence that HAARP caused an earthequake. Please provide real world information not quotes and hints.

If you sick after just joining the forum then it's going to be an uphill struggle for you.

Leave your handbag at the door next time

[i_am]

OOOO hark at you, 10 posts and you act like you own the forum.
Please do go on. You act like think you have authority so perhaps you can give credible evidence that HAARP caused an earthequake. Please provide real world information not quotes and hints.

If you sick after just joining the forum then it's going to be an uphill struggle for you.

Leave your handbag at the door next time

Before making those sort of comments, it might be a good idea to look at the join date. It is the same as yours!!

Just because someone does not feel the need to jump in and disagree with everyone and everything, does not mean they are not reading and watching.

There is no need for insults anyway!

[alexav]

We are not like dogs... we don't want to gain or win something like support because we don't and can't be trained to do tricks... (unless of course we spend a lot of time working behind a desk in a government office or watching TV) please marpat you are dealing with other humans like you here, please show a little respect.

By the way again how was your day?

[boots]

Although that page states and engineer said something that means nothing. Anybody can write quotes to serve their purpose and then say and engineer told them. The word earthquake is mentioned twice in that document and each time is put in a context that sounds like speculation rather than fact.

If you read that document properly nowhere does it say that the air force use HAARP to trigger earthquakes. This is where people are just putting the idea together because they are seeing the both subjects covered on the same web page. Again, lack of proof that HAARP cause an earthquake.

Also quote from that page

'While there is no firm evidence that the US Air Force weather warfare facilities have been deliberately applied to modify weather patterns, one would expect that if these capabilities are being developed for military use, they would at least be the object of routine testing, much in the same way as the testing of new conventional and strategic weapons systems'......guesswork

Speculation and guesswork :rolleyes:

Thats all the military does with their funds:rolleyes:

The military do not look at and IDEA and then put large quantiles of money into a project just to waste money.

You try and categorizes it as no proof to fit your disbelieve that such a thing would be possible so you must think that the military are idiots and like to waste tax payers money.

The trouble with your form of debating (what you call an argument) is you will not see the post in it's entirety and take it out of context to suit your ego/believe system which is that of the PTB.

[neil]

The trouble with your form of debating (what you call an argument) is you will not see the post in it's entirety and take it out of context to suit your ego/believe system which is that of the PTB.


Yup! Marpat is child-like because he wants what he can't have and a fool because he demands reasons why.

He vainly requests information that only those with special access could present. Why does he not send FOI requests to government departments, rather than ask here? Bizarre.

And he asks for scientific proof for every speculative statement. Speculation requires no proof. He might as well slate novelists and poets for creating non-scientific images.

I'm not sure he understands what he wants. But like Sir Henry (of Rawlinson End) he wants it now!

[kale]

I have no doubt in my mind that HAARP was behind this,

Nic Telsa was a brilliant man,

Also there are various reports regarding the China EQ that they targeted underground nuclear facilities, with clumps of concrete the same thickness as other Chinese military bases being found everywhere.

[marpat]

Yup! Marpat is child-like because he wants what he can't have and a fool because he demands reasons why.

He vainly requests information that only those with special access could present. Why does he not send FOI requests to government departments, rather than ask here? Bizarre.

And he asks for scientific proof for every speculative statement. Speculation requires no proof. He might as well slate novelists and poets for creating non-scientific images.

I'm not sure he understands what he wants. But like Sir Henry (of Rawlinson End) he wants it now!


Is it child like to ask for substantial proof for people ideas? would you prefer me to just believe what everybody else says without having data to back it up? it would be very convenient if that was the case wouldn't it.

If you can get me good, credible information that this can be done then I will be happy to accept it is possible. If all that can be provided is a few theories and references to Tesla then you may find that you have not sold it to me.

When it comes to people being child like you will find it is those who accept things at face value that are child like, not those who have learned to question things and ask for proof.

I think the truth is that you cant rise to the challenge. It is easy to state that such things have happened but proving the science behind them is not so easy. It is convenient when people will believe such statements because it stops you having to work out an in depth explanation, whereas people who require more are treated like outcasts.

[edelweiss pirate]

Is it child like to ask for substantial proof for people ideas? would you prefer me to just believe what everybody else says without having data to back it up? it would be very convenient if that was the case wouldn't it.

If you can get me good, credible information that this can be done then I will be happy to accept it is possible. If all that can be provided is a few theories and references to Tesla then you may find that you have not sold it to me.

When it comes to people being child like you will find it is those who accept things at face value that are child like, not those who have learned to question things and ask for proof.

I think the truth is that you cant rise to the challenge. It is easy to state that such things have happened but proving the science behind them is not so easy. It is convenient when people will believe such statements because it stops you having to work out an in depth explanation, whereas people who require more are treated like outcasts.

Stop trolling. You people accept no proof. In all my years of posting and all the proof I have painstakingly provided not once have you masonic uber creeps done anything but abuse and attack....

What position are you in to demand anything?

[i_am]

OFF TOPIC!!

Please refrain from the insults everybody.

Marpat a few pages back, you said you were finished with this thread (post 62). You still continue, so instead of continually asking others for proof, how about YOU provide proof to the contrary?

You ask for proof but provide none!!

and I am referring to THIS thread and THIS topic !

[marpat]

OFF TOPIC!!

Please refrain from the insults everybody.

Marpat a few pages back, you said you were finished with this thread (post 62). You still continue, so instead of continually asking others for proof, how about YOU provide proof to the contrary?

You ask for proof but provide none!!

and I am referring to THIS thread and THIS topic !

I am not the one making the statement that HAARP did cause this earthquake so why should I have to prove anything. The few bits of information posted by users did not really make much of an impression, a few unlabelled diagrams ,etc.

Yes I did say I was through but I thought I might pop in when I noticed people are responding to my posts. Is there a problem with me coming into a thread? dont blame me for EP and his attitude.

Lets look at some ideas. HAARP is very high frequency which means the radiation travels line of sight and does not bounce off the atmosphere like low frequencies do. I can accept that it will heat part of the atmosphere up, not an issue there. The I see people trying to tell me that a beam of energy comes from a satellite, through this heated layer and causes the earthquake. How much power does a satellite have? has it been proven that radiation can cause an earthquake? people keep going on about chemtrails being used as part of the process but then I see people in the forum saying that China does not get sprayed, then changing their minds and saying they do get sprayed. Do the Chinese not notice anything happening in their airspace?

You got any answers to how this satellite manages to produce enough power to cause an earthquake, and dont tell me it is to do with Teslas domino effect because the earth is not like a set of dominos.

[alexav]

Marpat... I love you! Hope you find it out how the things work some day soon because we are getting out of time...

[marpat]

Marpat... I love you! Hope you find it out how the things work some day soon because we are getting out of time...

If that device could do what people are saying then knowing how it works would not matter. Putting it out of action would matter.

Dont get me wrong I have no problem with people speculating with these ideas as long as they base their ideas on things that can work but to many people state that such a thing was definitely used and that is why I expect them to have a bit more proof. To speculate that something may have been used is one thing but to make an actual claim demands more that just speculative thought.

[alexav]

If that device could do what people are saying then knowing how it works would not matter. Putting it out of action would matter.


Hey I feel now that we are talking about the same...:)


Dont get me wrong I have no problem with people speculating with these ideas as long as they base their ideas on things that can work but to many people state that such a thing was definitely used and that is why I expect them to have a bit more proof. To speculate that something may have been used is one thing but to make an actual claim demands more that just speculative thought.

About this, I got a posible solution... that in the title or in the post the user declare that it's an speculation... so it could be taken seriously or not, from the point of view of the readers...

Greets... :rolleyes:

[geronimo]

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1104.htm


Russian Foreign Ministry reports are stating today the Prime Minister Putin’s "sudden’" diplomatic trip (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=ada.FoPSr_T0&refer=europe) "warn" the European Union not to become involved with the US following what is widely expected to be a ‘retaliatory strike’ against the United States, and who the Chinese military has blamed for the catastrophic May 12th earthquake that has killed nearly 90,000 human beings. to France was made at the behest of China’s President Hu in order to ‘

Chinese and Russian Military scientists, these reports say, are concurring with Canadian researcher, and former Asia-Pacific Bureau Chief of Forbes Magazine (http://japundit.com/archives/2008/03/25/8185/), Benjamin Fulford (http://benjaminfulford.com/indexEnglish.html), who in a very disturbing video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=InV0cVH6KZc) released from his Japanese offices to the American public, details how the United States attacked China by the firing of a Billion Million Volt Shockwave from the Americans High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) facilities in Alaska.

So powerful was this Shockwave, Britain’s Times Online News Service is reporting that the entire atmosphere over the Chinese earthquake zone became mysteriously changed 30 minutes prior to the 8.0 Magnitude Trembler (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-05/19/content_8208098.htm)

“Can clouds predict earthquakes? YouTube has footage (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article3981225.ece) of strange multicoloured clouds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=%20KKMTSDzU1Z4) seen just before the recent earthquake struck Sichuan province in China. (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article3981225.ece)

The first impression is of a rainbow smeared on to small scraps of clouds, a phenomenon best known in a circumzenithal halo. This is created when sunlight shines through cirrus clouds full of tiny hexagonal ice crystals shaped like plates. The crystals behave like glass prisms, splitting the light into a bow with the colours of the spectrum, often brighter than a rainbow. (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article3981225.ece)

But one puzzle is that the colours in the Chinese clouds were upside down from a normal circumzenithal halo – red pointing towards the horizon and blue towards the Sun, instead of the other way round.” (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article3981225.ece)

Russian scientists are further speculating that the United States strike against China was ‘exactly timed’ to coincide with the dangerous experiments ongoing at Large Hadron Collider for the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), and which we had previously reported on in our May 13th report titled “CERN ‘Nailed Heart Of Earth’ With China Quake, Chilean Volcano (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1098.htm)”.

Russian Military Analysts note that though China’s Military has ordered its vast submarine fleet to ‘disperse’ throughout the Pacific Ocean, the Chinese ‘attack’ against the United States would, most likely, take a form of economic warfare instead of an actual clashing of forces.

More disturbing, however, in these reports is China’s urging of both Syria and Turkey not to allow more water into mighty rivers of the Euphrates and Tigris, which the Iraqis are warning (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g8ZLbkMiL40woBfVc6ygSK2Urfrg) are running dry due to the severe drought in that war-torn Nation.

The importance of this latest move by China is the newly signed Defense Pact (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jvkKkWY-GqQi3KUw1bYoR4fBdrew)Iran and Syria which would allow Chinese Military Forces permission to use Iranian territory to come to the aid of Syria. signed between

It should be further noted that the Christian Bibles New Testament Book of Revelations (Chapter 16, Verse 12 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults2.php?passage1=Revelation+16&book_id=73&version1=9&tp=22&c=16)) prophesied that the Euphrates will dry up in preparation for the Battle of Armageddon and would be crossed by an Eastern Army of 200 million soldiers, of which in our World today only China is able to field and have the ability to reach by land alone.
As the United States and China battle for their very survival in a World becoming increasing volatile due to the rapidly growing shortages of both food and fuel, one does indeed wonder if the End Times are now upon us all.



Interesting, though bear in mind that the Russians have more HAARP facilities than America - and one of them happens to be in Newfoundland according to researcher Loren Moret. While I was flying off the coast there the turbulance was pretty bad, though this is unlikely to have anything to do with it.
One fact that people should be aware of, however, is that Tesla's technology - the basis for HAARP, and scalar-longitudinal wave weather control, including the so-called 'death ray' was in fact 'acquired' by the Russians early on. In fact Tesla was keen to give this technology to the Russsians, as revealed in the excellent biography by Marc Seifer entitled 'Wizard - The Life And Times of Nikola Tesla' and actually visited Russia for this purpose.
After a lifetime of unsuccessfully trying to interest the military in his technology, when he died it was a different story and they were all over it, under circumstances which can only be described as suspicious.
In my opinion, there is so much more to know about this whole affair, including the identity of his secretary George Scherff whos family, it appears, later changed their name to Bush. Tesla's cleric father had links to the Vatican and possible access to the secret archives.
There is also the matter of the Pierce-Arrow Car which Tesla showed to his nephew Peter Savo, and drove for 90 miles. The engine had been replaced with an electric motor and the dashboard was converted with a box containing a number of vacuum tubes and rod-antenna. The question is, had Tesla successfully managed to transfer power from one of his transmitters, before the Wardenclyffe Tower was shut down due to the manipulations of financial shareholder J.P. Morgan, or did he in fact find a way to tap the aether as his statements to his nephew seem to suggest? if so, this would be one reason why his New York laboratory was engulfed in flames and all his later efforts were undermined in some form or another, whether financial or otherwise.
There is one possible exception, in that shortly before he died (or was strangled) his expertise may have been considered invaluable for a certain project involving radar invisibility, and the USS. Eldridge, namely the Philadelphia Experiment.

geronimo

[lizzy]

Thanks geronimo,
this part was intereting........

In my opinion, there is so much more to know about this whole affair, including the identity of his secretary George Scherff whos family, it appears, later changed their name to Bush.

[marpat]

Faster than light travel is possible..

Anybody done it yet then? dont you mean it has been calculated as a possibility?

[marpat]

I read somebodies post claiming that Russia has more HAARP facilites than the US. If this is true then why do people think it would be the US rather than Russia making such a highly unlikely attack.

[tabea_blumenschein]

Faster than light travel is possible..

Faster than light communication may be possible due to a phenomenon known as quantum entanglement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement). Faster than light travel is not possible. Einstein says so:

mass(relativistic)= mass(inertial) / square root(1 - v^2/c^2)

The term in the denominator is the Lorenz factor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenz_contraction), with v being the object's velocity and c being the speed of light, which is about 300,000,000 meters per second.

For normal velocities, the denominator pretty much reduces to 1, which makes the relativistic mass of an object in motion roughly equal to its inertial mass.

At velocities a significant fraction of the speed of light, the denominator reduces to a number less than one. The relativistic mass of the object becomes greater than its inertial mass.

As the velocity approaches the speed of light, the number in the denominator approaches zero, and the relativistic mass of the object increases without bound. The object soon becomes so massive that it would require more energy than there is in the entire universe to accelerate it further.

So unless Einstein was very wrong, travelling at lightspeed is only possible in science fiction.

Sorry for the derail. Now back to your regularly scheduled topic ...

[marpat]

Faster than light communication may be possible due to a phenomenon known as quantum entanglement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement). Faster than light travel is not possible. Einstein says so:

mass(relativistic)= mass(inertial) / square root(1 - v^2/c^2)

The term in the denominator is the Lorenz factor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenz_contraction), with v being the object's velocity and c being the speed of light, which is about 300,000,000 meters per second.

For normal velocities, the denominator pretty much reduces to 1, which makes the relativistic mass of an object in motion roughly equal to its inertial mass.

At velocities a significant fraction of the speed of light, the denominator reduces to a number less than one. The relativistic mass of the object becomes greater than its inertial mass.

As the velocity approaches the speed of light, the number in the denominator approaches zero, and the relativistic mass of the object increases without bound. The object soon becomes so massive that it would require more energy than there is in the entire universe to accelerate it further.

So unless Einstein was very wrong, travelling at lightspeed is only possible in science fiction.

Sorry for the derail. Now back to your regularly scheduled topic ...

Very interesting