Collapse of World Economic System?

[real6]

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/3318/Collapse_of_World_Economic_System_/

[pduffy4]

That is one hell of a conspiracy about the Astors and the Titanic, is'nt it?!!!!!!! Bloody hell!:eek: I believe that theory, took me all of a nano second to get it.

[steevo]

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/3318/Collapse_of_World_Economic_System_/

I agree with what was said in that about the cashless society coming in very soon. One day everything will be normal and the next, all cash will be worthless (I would have thought). The fellar being interviewed was basically hinting that we should all buy gold and silver with the money that we have in our possession so that we can use it as currency when the paper money becomes worthless. What do you all think ? Is it a good idea to by gold and silver ? I personally dont think it's a good idea, I think gold and silver is a con cos it aint REALLY of any value because it cant be used for everyday living. We have been conned into believing that gold/silver/diamonds are worth alot. That's just my opinion. A co-operative system is what's needed. Money is bollocks and even worse in a cashless society.

[krakhead]

I agree with what was said in that about the cashless society coming in very soon.

Has anyone noticed the 'Maestro' card billboard adverts? They've been a regular sight at Swansea train station for at least a year now. They've all had slogans encouraging people to believe that cash is no longer 'cool' to use and you should be using plastic instead.

I've asked several people who I know catch trains there regularly and NOT ONE could say they had noticed the adverts, huge 'subliminal' messages, right in our faces!

[serpentoffire]

http://www.effedieffe.com/content/view/3713/152/

The Marlin Company 14th Annual Attitudes in the American Workplace Poll reports the following results on June 24.

More than one third (41%) of US workers are cutting back on utilities, nearly half have reduced food purchases (48.5%) and a large percentage are buying less clothing.

The national survey of US workers, conducted May 12-14, 2008, also found that younger workers (between the ages of 18 to 29) are being hit the hardest by the economy and are the most desperate about their economic future. More than one third (34.3%) of young American workers say their financial situation has caused them to “feel hopelessness or despair about their economic future.” That compares with 28.8% of workers age 30 to 49, 23.5% of workers 50-64 and 17.9% of workers 65 or older.

Nearly a third (31.4%) of workers report being occasionally kept awake at night because they worry they will not meet housing payments, credit cards, or other personal expenses, 36.8% of whom were between the ages of 18 and 29.

And nearly one fourth (23.4%) of US workers say their financial situation has distracted them on the job, with the most distracted being young workers, age 18 to 29 (36.8%).

“US workers are hurting on multiple fronts, and their pain is growing” stated Kenna.

“This year’s poll clearly illustrates exactly how damaging the current state of the US economy is to its workers.” In particular, with gas prices topping $4 a gallon this summer, more than a quarter of workers (25.7%) are already choosing alternatives to driving into work – such as carpooling or public transportation; 35.9% were between the ages of 18 and 29, with more females (32%) than males (23.1%) conserving.

[serpentoffire]

Read this:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29321

....
We are fast approaching the final six months of the Bush administration. The quagmire in Iraq is in its sixth painful year with no real end in sight and the forgotten war in Afghanistan is well into its seventh year. The "dead enders" and other armed factions are still alive and well in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan again controls most of that country. Gas prices have now reached an average of $4.00 a gallon nationally and several analysts predict the price will rise to $5.00-$6.00 dollars per gallon at the pump by Labor Day. This, despite assurances by some major supporters of the decision to invade Iraq that the Iraq war "will pay for itself" (Paul Wolfowitz) or that we will see "$20.00 per barrel" oil prices if we invade Iraq (Rupert Murdoch).
....

[eyepod]

Is it a good idea to by gold and silver ?

Taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression
Several years into the Great Depression the private ownership of gold was declared illegal

[skyline]

It may get a bit rocky sooner than we think guys

[romas]

What do you all think ? Is it a good idea to by gold and silver ? I personally dont think it's a good idea, I think gold and silver is a con cos it aint REALLY of any value because it cant be used for everyday living. We have been conned into believing that gold/silver/diamonds are worth alot. That's just my opinion. A co-operative system is what's needed. Money is bollocks and even worse in a cashless society.


I'm no expert, but there is a good argument against gold based currency, why? Because the bankers have large amounts of gold, they have acumulated throughout the years and they can manipulate the market, making your newly acquired gold nearly worthless or many times cheaper than you bought it.

Financial games are really fucked up.

[true]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/06/18/cnrbs118.xml

inventive suggestions to get around/through this are very much needed! Stockpiling food & water isn't very sustainable - especially when your neighbors who have no idea this is going to happen find out you've been semi-prepared.

[malkor]

You can buy gold, it's never had a value of zero in history and can always be used for trade since just about everyone in modern society values it as currency rather than as a metal for art like the ancient Incas and friends.

However, even if you do buy gold, they'll just seize it from you in the name of 'national security' or some such nonsense.

Another thing to watch out for. With the price of gold rising like crazy due to fixed manipulation, as a professional Jeweler, I see thousands of people selling their gold for a quick profit.

Now if I was going to make plans to cause an economic crash, I would first manipulate the price of gold to skyrocket to encourage everyone to sell me their gold stockpiles in exchange for money created out of the thin air. Then after the crash, they'll have no gold and a bunch of worthless paper.

So despite the threat of seizure, I would recommend people buy at least some gold if they have any disposable income. Also keep at least one-month supply of canned foods, fresh water and gasoline. Also purchase a generator, a rifle or two and several boxes of ammunition.

[free thinker]

fuck money.money breeds greed...it becomes a central fixation, family life should be first.
do we live to work, or work to live?

the only reason money/gold/silver or whatever has value...is because we give it it's value..but now we're talking about credit and in my opinion, thats worse.

let go back to basics...swap my goat for your pig:D

[majicdragon]

Couldn't they be ready to turn gold into an industrial metal and keep it at a fixed price due to the need for gold for war electronics?

Could this be why they are pushing it more than ever at near it's highest price?

[child of the sun]

Collapse of World Economic System?

Yes, it will definitely happen and not so far in the future of this time line I feel.

Together with that the Religious System and Political System shall collapse too because they are all intermingled with one another.

Every system created in linear time is doomed to fail because it has a beginning, a middle and an end ... just like the personality and ego has.

Consciousness has no need for systems. It is flow and all embracing in the oneness that is ever present in all things.

Those who are manipulating society create complexity so that their followers (humanity) live in a reality of constant distraction and separation.

Kepha

[sukyspook]

If you haven't already seen it, here's gordon brown (small caps intended) speaking at the Mansion House in June 2007, declaring:

"And I believe it will be said of this age, the first decades of the 21st century, that out of the greatest restructuring of the global economy, perhaps even greater than the industrial revolution, a new world order was created."

Here's that extract on youtube:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l8l6Af74rCY

Here's the transcript of the entire speech which proves to me anyway, that gordon broon is either completely delusional or he really believes all the crap he is given to speak by his rothschild masters:

http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/newsroom_and_speeches/press/2007/press_68_07.cfm

As far as I'm concerned, gordon broon is admitting here that he is 'in on it' and if there was any justice in the world and anyone left in any kind of position able to arrest broon, he should be hauled in immediately for 42 days (!) and the key thrown away then the entire rothschild/rockefeller/morgan/schiff/kuhn loeb/world bank/imf/bis/eu etc etc etc staff and directors should be rounded up and likewise incarcerated before they really do ruin the entire world.

[diamondslike]

If you haven't already seen it, here's gordon brown (small caps intended) speaking at the Mansion House in June 2007, declaring:

"And I believe it will be said of this age, the first decades of the 21st century, that out of the greatest restructuring of the global economy, perhaps even greater than the industrial revolution, a new world order was created."

Here's that extract on youtube:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l8l6Af74rCY

Here's the transcript of the entire speech which proves to me anyway, that gordon broon is either completely delusional or he really believes all the crap he is given to speak by his rothschild masters:

http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/newsroom_and_speeches/press/2007/press_68_07.cfm

As far as I'm concerned, gordon broon is admitting here that he is 'in on it' and if there was any justice in the world and anyone left in any kind of position able to arrest broon, he should be hauled in immediately for 42 days (!) and the key thrown away then the entire rothschild/rockefeller/morgan/schiff/kuhn loeb/world bank/imf/bis/eu etc etc etc staff and directors should be rounded up and likewise incarcerated before they really do ruin the entire world.

awful, awful man. did anyone hear the terribel rumour that he was made to sacrifice his first child in order to become prime minister?

[diamondslike]

I',m buying a generator next month, I was going to get one anyway for my camping trips but you've just given me the push I need. should have thought of it ages ago. i have the tinned food ! :p

[lizzy]

Collapse of World Economic System?

Yes, it will definitely happen and not so far in the future of this time line I feel.

Together with that the Religious System and Political System shall collapse too because they are all intermingled with one another.

Every system created in linear time is doomed to fail because it has a beginning, a middle and an end ... just like the personality and ego has.

Consciousness has no need for systems. It is flow and all embracing in the oneness that is ever present in all things.

Those who are manipulating society create complexity so that their followers (humanity) live in a reality of constant distraction and separation.

Kepha


One world, one oneness, we are borg........metals are still good,( buy a generator) but gold 'might' be wrong move.( can't eat it)

[icke_is_right]

Another thing to watch out for. With the price of gold rising like crazy due to fixed manipulation, as a professional Jeweler, I see thousands of people selling their gold for a quick profit.

Now if I was going to make plans to cause an economic crash, I would first manipulate the price of gold to skyrocket to encourage everyone to sell me their gold stockpiles in exchange for money created out of the thin air. Then after the crash, they'll have no gold and a bunch of worthless paper.



I can say, hand on heart, that the price of Gold and Silver have been manipulated beyond belief BUT HELD DOWN. Oil has this characteristic or being manipulated upward.

Yes I believe that we are now witnessing the planned reality check ie the reality that money isn't real. Only the sheeple are tied to cash in a big way, the big boys own real things.

'There are those of us who like to talk about it and those of us who do it'.

www.gata.org
www.silverseek.com

[sukyspook]

awful, awful man. did anyone hear the terribel rumour that he was made to sacrifice his first child in order to become prime minister?

No, I hadn't heard that - but at the time of the death of 'their' baby, alarm bells rang and being a 'conspiracy theorist extraordinaire', I suspected it without anyone else uttering anything and of course, Cherie, who had given birth to LEO (sun worship) whilst bliar was in 'power' - prior to that it was mainstream news that the bliars had had a 'miscarriage'.......again, alarm bells rang for me.

I read somewhere that Sarah broon is his 'minder' ie an agent - presumably of the rothschild talmudist/satanist/zionazis and of course there was the thread on a well known forum about the top echelons and their penchant for children.....awful, just plain awful.

If people could really understand just what we're up against - ie there is nothing, NOTHING, that these 'people' wouldn't do to keep control and enslave we goyim (cattle) as their farm animals to be used, abused and discarded at their whim.

[redhead]

awful, awful man. did anyone hear the terribel rumour that he was made to sacrifice his first child in order to become prime minister?

Yep...The first born must go to Molech

[disorder2k8]

I would agree that anyone who invests into gold, would have the risk of it being taken.

Remember the first rule of anarchy in the end times, if you have something, someone else will want to take it!

Gold is like monopoly money, its value is only what we assigned to it, for our purposes. But in the end times it will be worthless, because its uses (a shiny trinket and electronics) will not be sought after as much. Value simple barter items more, livestock, hens etc.

Invest in something smaller, like bags of compost and some vegetable seeds, and other gardening tools. Invest in extra(on top of the ones you keep in the house) dried and tinned foods and then bury them under a square of turf in the garden.
Invest in steel bars, wood or other constuction materials abd invest in some sturdy tools to help build stuff, mallets, hammers, nails, screws, etc etc

learn how to make bricks

[sukyspook]

Moloch = saturn = satan

Amos 5:25-27 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

25Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?

26But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

27Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts.

Chiun is just another name for Moloch/saturn/satan - and this was one of the 'chief gods' of the Phoenicians (Phoenix....). The star is 'acknowledged' as the star of 'david' which it isn't....it's the six pointed star or hexagram - yes, it's witchcraft/satanism and there's proof right there in the Bible.

Once again, more proof if it were needed:

Acts 7:42-44 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

42Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

43Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

44Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen.

Again, Remphan is another name for Saturn/Moloch/satan.

www.biblegateway.com

[danster82]

Expect $1200 an ounce gold.... so what? I would expect that under normal circumstances.

[steevo]

Maybe the "powers that be" are making us BELIEVE that the economy is about to collapse so that the value of things (such as property) goes down and THEN they buy that property for bargain basement prices. Then LATER ON they can totally bust the economy and they will own EVERYTHING and people who were in business would own just the money which they had saved (which would then be worthless maybe). The only way around the situation for us would be NOT to sell our properties and business' to them IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, but the problem is they leave us no option but to sell because the business' cannot make big enough profits because of the knock-on effects of high oil prices and other factors that have purposely manipulated in order to make business' unsustaninable.

[tintin]

I would agree that anyone who invests into gold, would have the risk of it being taken.

Remember the first rule of anarchy in the end times, if you have something, someone else will want to take it!

Gold is like monopoly money, its value is only what we assigned to it, for our purposes. But in the end times it will be worthless, because its uses (a shiny trinket and electronics) will not be sought after as much. Value simple barter items more, livestock, hens etc.

Invest in something smaller, like bags of compost and some vegetable seeds, and other gardening tools. Invest in extra(on top of the ones you keep in the house) dried and tinned foods and then bury them under a square of turf in the garden.
Invest in steel bars, wood or other constuction materials abd invest in some sturdy tools to help build stuff, mallets, hammers, nails, screws, etc etc

learn how to make bricks

If they take your GOLD then why would they stop at that?

So for lack of better alternative GOLD could be
a good investment. It used to be that every amount of
PAPER MONEY was backed by a certain amount of GOLD.
That was the TEMPLAR SYSTEM as well.

They had the GOLD and they gave you a paper.
And you could exhange that into GOLD again whereever
there were TEMPLARS. That's how the BANKING system
works. But today that PAPER MONEY is not backed
by GOLD.

If you take that as a guideline (FULL BACKING) than
GOLD should be worth about TWENTY to THIRTY times
as much as it is today.

So based on that GOLD is a bargain right now.

[tintin]

OK folks, this is how bad it is right now in the SYSTEM.
The DERIVATIVE MARKET is a giant financial SHADOW system.
The amount of money circulating is just STAGGERING.

When one mayor player collapses, the whole
system will fall in a DOMINO crash.

But here is why it's even far WORSE than people think.
it's IMPOSSIBLE to know the REAL NUMBERS.

What looks to be a safe situation can the NEXT DAY mean
financial ruin. Last week we had a 20 PERCENT drop in FORTIS.
In just one day.

These moves are so MASSIVE that there are now
already major calamities without people KNOWING it.

There is no way possible to know the TRUTH
behind all the numbers.

The only reason the system still functions
is because of the IGNORENCE of the people.

BANKERS themselves haven't a clue either.
It has gone much too far and there is no turning back.

The DERIVATIVE system is about 500 TRILLION dollars.

500.000.000.000.000.

So once a mayor player DEFAULTS the whole system
is in danger. The FED has bailed a few banks already out.

In fact that is the only solution available.

It's just a matter of time and we have ZIMBABWE inflation
in the western world.

The DIFFERENCE between ZIMBABWENS and AMERICANS
is that ZIMBABWANS KNOW their money is WORTHLESS.
And the AMERICANS still don't know.

But it has started and there is no RESCUE POSSIBLE ANYMORE.
And the POWER SHIFT is to the countries with natural resources.
And with cheap labour like in ASIA. (China).

Prepare for a FINANCIAL MELTDOWN like you
have never seen. Pension money, Government bonds
it will all collapse totally.
People will find out that all THEIR LIVE SAVINGS
are gone. They will find out that they have
worked all those years for absolutely NOTHING.

The MONEY SYSTEM is perfect camouflage for SLAVERY.

http://www.touristr.com/system/picture/image/1380/full/bordeaux_wine006.jpg

Slavery with MONEY stolen from
other people is called "STYLISH".

Create WARS, buy stocks with inside info
and you can buy as much SLAVES as you want.
And that is EXACTLY what is happening day after day.......

But these CROOKS are so ROTTEN that
owning SLAVES is not enough. They WANT TO
PLAY CAT and MOUSE with them as well.
And the ultimate pleasure is KILLING the slaves.

[danster82]

OK folks, this is how bad it is right now in the SYSTEM.
The DERIVATIVE MARKET is a giant financial SHADOW system.
The amount of money circulating is just STAGGERING.

When one mayor player collapses, the whole
system will fall in a DOMINO crash.

But here is why it's even far WORSE than people think.
it's IMPOSSIBLE to know the REAL NUMBERS.

What looks to be a safe situation can the NEXT DAY mean
financial ruin. Last week we had a 20 PERCENT drop in FORTIS.
In just one day.

These moves are so MASSIVE that there are now
already major calamities without people KNOWING it.

There is no way possible to know the TRUTH
behind all the numbers.

The only reason the system still functions
is because of the IGNORENCE of the people.

BANKERS themselves haven't a clue either.
It has gone much too far and there is no turning back.

The DERIVATIVE system is about 500 TRILLION dollars.

500.000.000.000.000.

So once a mayor player DEFAULTS the whole system
is in danger. The FED has bailed a few banks already out.

In fact that is the only solution available.

It's just a matter of time and we have ZIMBABWE inflation
in the western world.

The DIFFERENCE between ZIMBABWENS and AMERICANS
is that ZIMBABWANS KNOW their money is WORTHLESS.
And the AMERICANS still don't know.

But it has started and there is no RESCUE POSSIBLE ANYMORE.
And the POWER SHIFT is to the countries with natural resources.
And with cheap labour like in ASIA. (China).

Prepare for a FINANCIAL MELTDOWN like you
have never seen. Pension money, Government bonds
it will all collapse totally.
People will find out that all THEIR LIVE SAVINGS
are gone. They will find out that they have
worked all those years for absolutely NOTHING.

The MONEY SYSTEM is perfect camouflage for SLAVERY.

http://www.touristr.com/system/picture/image/1380/full/bordeaux_wine006.jpg

Slavery with MONEY stolen from
other people is called "STYLISH".

Create WARS, buy stocks with inside info
and you can buy as much SLAVES as you want.
And that is EXACTLY what is happening day after day.......

But these CROOKS are so ROTTEN that
owning SLAVES is not enough. They WANT TO
PLAY CAT and MOUSE with them as well.
And the ultimate pleasure is KILLING the slaves.

These numbers are likely not exaggerated if anyone here has done some forex trading you will know with a mere £1000 account you can trade with £100,000 on the market as your broker will leverage you x100

So if small players can do that what are large players doing...

If there is a collapse of this magnitude well its hard to imagine what it would actually mean, if there is no government plan for it then all I can think is it would mean the wiping out of the majority of the population of the planet..

I mean how long would people in London last with no food petrol electricity and running water? Nothing is self sufficient in the citys everything is in transit and that transit ends the moment money does. But then its not likely there will be a total collapse the value of money will probably depreciate to a level where all you labor will just about feed you, not a nice situation. On an optimistic side it might prompt people to finally look at the financial system and take control back away from unaccountable people and into the hands of the people.

[danster82]

I would agree that anyone who invests into gold, would have the risk of it being taken.

Remember the first rule of anarchy in the end times, if you have something, someone else will want to take it!

Gold is like monopoly money, its value is only what we assigned to it, for our purposes. But in the end times it will be worthless, because its uses (a shiny trinket and electronics) will not be sought after as much. Value simple barter items more, livestock, hens etc.

Invest in something smaller, like bags of compost and some vegetable seeds, and other gardening tools. Invest in extra(on top of the ones you keep in the house) dried and tinned foods and then bury them under a square of turf in the garden.
Invest in steel bars, wood or other constuction materials abd invest in some sturdy tools to help build stuff, mallets, hammers, nails, screws, etc etc

learn how to make bricks

Its true the value of gold is only illusionary, people need to contemplate what value actually means and value only comes from creativity and human energy. Gold has value because we assign it an illusionary value in reality it is worthless or worth the value it has in industry only all other value added is fiction but non the less if humanity maintains that illusion it will maintain its value and it probably will maintain after a depression as a barterable good but thats not a given. Food and oil will maintain its value regardless as well as water as the value behind it is not an illusion.

[disorder2k8]

Its true the value of gold is only illusionary, people need to contemplate what value actually means and value only comes from creativity and human energy. Gold has value because we assign it an illusionary value in reality it is worthless or worth the value it has in industry only all other value added is fiction but non the less if humanity maintains that illusion it will maintain its value and it probably will maintain after a depression as a barterable good but thats not a given. Food and oil will maintain its value regardless as well as water as the value behind it is not an illusion.

Thats the sort of thing I was getting at. Say you had big chunks of gold, or sovereigns or something, first off how would you transfer only part of that wealth to someone else for their services, or to buy food? Would you try and bite a chunk off with your teeth (ow!) or would you try and visit the nearest (working) smelting plant, etc etc

This would be impossible to trade with on a normal level, unless you just gave a massive 'over payment' of gold to someone and they rendered their services for as long as both parties agreed the value of that gold would give (again, based on common belief).

You can also try and get all your solid gold made into wafers worth a little bit each (maybe that will be the new currency)

@tintin:

Gold is an inanimate trinket. The things of value(and should be now) will be biological and spiritual, only material items which are useful and simple will be sought after.

What is the obsession over gold anyway, is it because its shiny? is it because it has a high value?

[seanie]

What is the obsession over gold anyway, is it because its shiny? is it because it has a high value?

I think it's only valuable becuase it's a limited resource, only so much comes out of the ground every year, supply and demand

[steevo]

I think it's only valuable becuase it's a limited resource, only so much comes out of the ground every year, supply and demand

In general though, why is there, and always has been (pretty much), such demand for gold ? You want it, I want it, your mum wants it, your sis wants it.....:confused:
Note :- I dont actually want any gold.

[malkor]

Thats the sort of thing I was getting at. Say you had big chunks of gold, or sovereigns or something, first off how would you transfer only part of that wealth to someone else for their services, or to buy food? Would you try and bite a chunk off with your teeth (ow!) or would you try and visit the nearest (working) smelting plant, etc etc


No, you have other metals of lesser value: silver, copper.
There is also a metal of greater value: platinum

Once the trade value is determined by the economy, you'll have an exchange rate between the metals.


What is the obsession over gold anyway, is it because its shiny? is it because it has a high value?

There has really been two cultures when it comes to gold. One in which gold is treated as a metal for sculpture and another where it's treated as a metal of value. In the dominant culture, gold is treated as a metal of value/wealth, even if it is sculpted into trinkets.

What it is treated as is determined by the majority. The minority will inevitably accept it as currency if it comes down to that.

[malkor]

In general though, why is there, and always has been (pretty much), such demand for gold ? You want it, I want it, your mum wants it, your sis wants it.....:confused:
Note :- I dont actually want any gold.

Portable value currency. Would you rather carry a cart load of sheep for trading or a pocket full of metal when you go to shop?

[steevo]

Portable value currency. Would you rather carry a cart load of sheep for trading or a pocket full of metal when you go to shop?

Yeah but we are not talking about what type of MATERIAL money should be made of, we are talking about the TRUE value of that piece of metal. In my opinion the true value of gold in pretty low. I have never understood what the attraction is with gold and I have never been given a satisfactory explanation to it. All I can work out is that we have been TOLD that it is highly valued and we have accepted this to be true.
I understand what the "gold standard" is and what "supply and demand" is. Why is there such a demand for it. It comes down to brainwashing in my opinion.

I watched a video the other day that someone posted on here, and the speaker in the video said that the "powers that be" had wanted to gain control of Saudi oil (when the oil boom first started over there), so they told the unsuspecting Arabs that they would give them loads of gold (which had a very high value at the time for some reason :rolleyes:) in return for, basically, control of their oil. The "powers that be" then manipulated the price of gold to go down after the Arabs had bought all of it from them. Oil is more valuable than gold in reality cos almost everything nowadays is made from the stuff. So if you manipulate the price of oil to go sky high (eg invent something called "peak oil") then you can effect the prices of virtually EVERYTHING that we ALL have come to depend on, food, clothing, computers, almost everything. Whoever controls the oil controls the world money markets.
Who ever controls the gold controls sod all really cos it aint worth nowt.

[malkor]

Yeah but we are not talking about what type of MATERIAL money should be made of, we are talking about the TRUE value of that piece of metal. In my opinion the true value of gold in pretty low. I have never understood what the attraction is with gold and I have never been given a satisfactory explanation to it. All I can work out is that we have been TOLD that it is highly valued and we have accepted this to be true.
I understand what the "gold standard" is and what "supply and demand" is. Why is there such a demand for it. It comes down to brainwashing in my opinion.

I watched a video the other day that someone posted on here, and the speaker in the video said that the "powers that be" had wanted to gain control of Saudi oil (when the oil boom first started over there), so they told the unsuspecting Arabs that they would give them loads of gold (which had a very high value at the time for some reason :rolleyes:) in return for, basically, control of their oil. The "powers that be" then manipulated the price of gold to go down after the Arabs had bought all of it from them. Oil is more valuable than gold in reality cos almost everything nowadays is made from the stuff. So if you manipulate the price of oil to go sky high (eg invent something called "peak oil") then you can effect the prices of virtually EVERYTHING that we ALL have come to depend on, food, clothing, computers, almost everything. Whoever controls the oil controls the world money markets.
Who ever controls the gold controls sod all really cos it aint worth nowt.


True enough, the bottom line is whatever is in limited supply (or perceived to be) gains a high value for trading purposes.

In the near future, the next "gold" is going to be fresh, desalinated water.
Forget peak oil, we have peak water.

[mauimamma]

True enough, the bottom line is whatever is in limited supply (or perceived to be) gains a high value for trading purposes.

In the near future, the next "gold" is going to be fresh, desalinated water.
Forget peak oil, we have peak water.

From what I gather it's going to be the bare essentials that are going to be the hot commodities: food and water...

[ferdg]

A Cashless society is here all ready. I just found out from my sister that a retailer (forgot which one) now offers their employees "Like type debit card" as a paycheck. WHen they are paid for the week the company adds money to their accounts like a direct deposit. If they want to see their pay stubs they can easly log on to the companies website.

This is the just the begining to the conditioning the new generation for a submissive plan. Some how the NWO will limit their freedoms with this. I can think of a few ways.

Imagine that Don't see money, Hear no Money and Speak no Money. The money supply doesn't exist.

[mauimamma]

A Cashless society is here all ready. I just found out from my sister that a retailer (forgot which one) now offers their employees "Like type debit card" as a paycheck. WHen they are paid for the week the company adds money to their accounts like a direct deposit. If they want to see their pay stubs they can easly log on to the companies website.

This is the just the begining to the conditioning the new generation for a submissive plan. Some how the NWO will limit their freedoms with this. I can think of a few ways.

Imagine that Don't see money, Hear no Money and Speak no Money. The money supply doesn't exist.

agree with you there...
here's a links about the "plastic pay check":
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3495/is_4_48/ai_100243419
http://www.payrollassociates.com/NewFiles/Alliances/paycheckdebit.html

[free thinker]

Gold, Silver or whatever only has value because we gave it....It is a trading item.
imagine for one moment we are coming out of our bunkers after a war, what fucking good is gold or silver? in that sort of scenario, a can of soup would have far more value wouldnt it?

[disorder2k8]

I had a meditative realisation last night, which may be a clue. Bare with me these are theories.

What if gold was a material representation of 'god', that is the SUN god, the god we used to worship. Perhaps it was installed as a subconscious thought, to make us 'look' for god in the wrong place. We were taught to realise that we were gods and that god is on earth and the only way to be 'godlike' is to accumulate 'god material', elevating yourself above others.

[notthisshitagain]

I had a meditative realisation last night, which may be a clue. Bare with me these are theories.

What if gold was a material representation of 'god', that is the SUN god, the god we used to worship. Perhaps it was installed as a subconscious thought, to make us 'look' for god in the wrong place. We were taught to realise that we were gods and that god is on earth and the only way to be 'godlike' is to accumulate 'god material', elevating yourself above others.

This sounds like a good theory... I mean, if they like to put symbolism out in the open and stuff...

[sukyspook]

I had a meditative realisation last night, which may be a clue. Bare with me these are theories.

What if gold was a material representation of 'god', that is the SUN god, the god we used to worship. Perhaps it was installed as a subconscious thought, to make us 'look' for god in the wrong place. We were taught to realise that we were gods and that god is on earth and the only way to be 'godlike' is to accumulate 'god material', elevating yourself above others.

That has crossed my mind over the years - my take fwiw, in the quote
"as above, so below" which I think is attributed to Thoth, the very nature of the 'reality' or 'material' world has an equivalent in the unseen or spiritual world....so I have often thought that gold IS a material representation of God to materialists - actually, I believe God is so much more than gold - ie The True Light - or 'energy'/Chi if you like, NOT the false light in the material realm that is 'lucifer'.

Funnily enough - I posted on another thread this morning that the heaviest metal is lead, which is the metal of saturn, which is the entity/energy that we call 'satan' - the 'lowest common denominator'......hence, it's the lowest energy vibratory rate and thus the most material as opposed to spiritual.

The material realm/dimension is a counterfeit of the true spiritual realm.

For those who don't believe in God, Jesus or the Bible, look away now please - Jesus said:

John 18:35-37 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

35Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

36Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

37Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2018:35-37;&version=9;

That's what Jesus the Christ came for - to tell the Truth because as most of us know now, the ancestors of those who would 'rule the world' have been in charge way back through history to Babylon and before to at leat 9,500BC at Leontopolis, which is what Heliopolis was once called - 'the city of the sun' = gold, Leo is the lion which is also representative of the sun.

Shhhhh, (whispering) you're not supposed to know all this - it's a secret - if enough of us 'know', we can walk away and the house of cards will collapse - yippee!

Counterfeit - from the New International Version:
1. 2 Thessalonians 2:9
The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,
2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 (in Context) 2 Thessalonians 2 (Whole Chapter)
2. 1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
1 John 2:26-28 (in Context) 1 John 2 (Whole Chapter)

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=counterfeit&x=0&y=0

So is gold a "counterfeit miracle, sign and wonder" - used to trick us until we awaken? It certainly gives those who believe in it the ability to control others under the current system.

What's the big deal -it's just a shiny piece of metal after all!

[sukyspook]

I think it's only valuable becuase it's a limited resource, only so much comes out of the ground every year, supply and demand

We've been TOLD that gold is a 'limited resource'....and of course it's worn by the toffs throughout history to impress us - which it doesn't any more as far as I'm concerned.

Diamonds is another 'limited resource' - made popular by rich toffs again to try to make us 'keep up with the Joneses' as used to be said in the UK - diamonds were popularised through films/stars and songs such as "Diamonds are a Girls Best Friend".

'They' did the same with smoking - popularise it through celebs/films etc only to know that one day 'they' would ban it....they love to do this - I call it the 'phoenix principle, like the hegelian dialectic or 'problem, reaction, solution' they build something up to knock it down when required....this causes us lots of angst if we're still 'attached' to whatever it is they're banning this week lol!!
Angst makes sick people which is also good for business.

Oil is not quite the biggest 'scam' but an enormous one nonetheless - I think electricity might be the biggest scam of all but I haven't had time to prove it yet. And then there's water.....which is next on their list.

Whavever has 'their' dirty little hands all over it is never run for the benefit of anyone else other than 'themselves'.

Now that's antiChrist the system.

We have been led to worship all of the above - falsely - 'they' created the demand for all these things and rely upon us never to rumble the scam....

[sukyspook]

Sorry - when I said 'they' 'created' all these things - I meant 'they' created the demand for them....

'they' have never created anything from nothing - they can only manipulate what's already here which is why they worship the 'architect' and not the Creator/Producer of everything.

[malkor]

We've been TOLD that gold is a 'limited resource'....and of course it's worn by the toffs throughout history to impress us - which it doesn't any more as far as I'm concerned.


Actually, there is about 1oz. gold in every cubic mile of seawater. If you can get it out, you'll be a rich man.


Diamonds is another 'limited resource' - made popular by rich toffs again to try to make us 'keep up with the Joneses' as used to be said in the UK - diamonds were popularised through films/stars and songs such as "Diamonds are a Girls Best Friend".


Diamond's aren't as limited as you may think. Most of it is used for industrial applications. Quality diamonds on the other hand are also pretty plentiful (though not as plentiful as industrial), but their supply is strictly controlled by DeBeers who own most of the diamond mine output in the world and aggressively buy from mines they don't directly own. They only sell closed-parcels of diamonds to a limited clientele and they can blacklist anyone they don't like.

[malkor]

Gold, Silver or whatever only has value because we gave it....It is a trading item.


Yes, but the same is true for every trading item. With coins, or other forms of small portable value items have an advantage over larger items such as sheep, goats, milk-carts, etc. They are smaller, lighter and less restrictive.

What if the dairy-farmer isn't interested in your weaved baskets? With recognized portable currency, this problem is non-existent.

[free thinker]

What if the dairy-farmer isn't interested in your weaved baskets? With recognized portable currency, this problem is non-existent.

...very true, but he may need some work done around his farm...

i know that we are being idealistic, but the way things are at the moment, we live in a credit society, we need not have any coins, gold or silver or any material currency..just credit.

feasable?

[malkor]

...very true, but he may need some work done around his farm...

i know that we are being idealistic, but the way things are at the moment, we live in a credit society, we need not have any coins, gold or silver or any material currency..just credit.

feasable?

Not at all. A credit based economy is unsustainable (well, theoretically it is sustainable if you allow dept approaching infinity, but good luck finding a bank willing to lend you an infinite sum of money). It will be even more dangerous to average jane and joe as more bankruptcy protection laws are repealed.

Best protection? You can't do much about your government's crazy spending habits, but you can make a difference in your own home: Don't use credit. I have no credit cards. Zero dept. I pay cash to buy cars and the only time I was in debt was for my mortgage and for that I put in 50% down and payed double the minimum monthly pay.

I realize this is not possible for everyone, but it's a start to live within you means. Stay away from credit cards. It could be inconvenient not having any (car rental for example), so if you have strong discipline, one credit card with a low limit (around $300 US) is enough...just don't use it!

This advice won't save the economy but it will mean that you'll be immune to prosecution when the crash does come.

[steevo]

Yes, but the same is true for every trading item. With coins, or other forms of small portable value items have an advantage over larger items such as sheep, goats, milk-carts, etc. They are smaller, lighter and less restrictive.

What if the dairy-farmer isn't interested in your weaved baskets? With recognized portable currency, this problem is non-existent.

If no-one wants your baskets then why the hell are you making them in the first place ? A community would have a common goal. This means that they would say "we need baskets, potatoes, carrots, etc etc..". They wont be "selling" their baskets, it's for a common goal. Similar to a co-operative system.

[halftheworldaway]

The war drums beat louder with each day.

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Pentagon-fears-attack-on-Irans-Nfacilities-by-Israel/329799/

[free thinker]

Not at all. A credit based economy is unsustainable (well, theoretically it is sustainable if you allow dept approaching infinity, but good luck finding a bank willing to lend you an infinite sum of money). It will be even more dangerous to average jane and joe as more bankruptcy protection laws are repealed.

....taken slightly out of context....imagine you have survived a nuclear attack/war, you've surfaced for the first time after one week, two weeks or however long....your're hungry, thirsty or may be in need of medical attention, you see daylight...your very first look at what was unleashed upon you...tell me this, what the fuck good is currency, gold... silver?.. the banking system is gone... life as you knew it...gone total devistation on a scale never seen before....

So you go in search of what... a fuckin' cash point?... No... because the basic instinct will be to survive, look for others, find food and water.....rebuilding a community... start again picking up the pieces of those millions of lives....oblitorated...and for what?...greed!

...so you see from this perspective, and from my own view point, i would club to death, with any blunt instrument i could lay my hands on, anyone who said.. "what we need...is a bank" either everybody has it....or nobody does!!

You can take it from here, i would be stating the obvious to go further anyway....but my point was being made from that view....:)

[romas]

Hey guys, check out this ancient monetary system:

Tally sticks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tally_stick)

You don't need rare metals, because like I said, bankers already own majority of precious metals and they can manipulate that market with ease, it will never work if you can dig up gold, thus inflating the system.

[danster82]

Yes, but the same is true for every trading item. With coins, or other forms of small portable value items have an advantage over larger items such as sheep, goats, milk-carts, etc. They are smaller, lighter and less restrictive.

What if the dairy-farmer isn't interested in your weaved baskets? With recognized portable currency, this problem is non-existent.

This is false Malkor Precious metals have a value added which is based on the assumption that it has value it means Gold or precious metals could quite easily lose their value if they were no longer accepted as valuable the value of precious metals being valuable exists only in the minds of people so it is an "illusion" So you say its like all trading items it is not because take oil for example it has real value as its required as a source of energy and for other production so a group of people can chose to say Oil has no value and yet It will not change the fact that it has value because it is currently required but industry when it is no longer required by industry it then loses its real value. Where as precious metals sure they have value in industry which is their only true value but the majority of value added to precious metals is not real value its an illusionary value and it is unlike other trading items.

[malkor]

This is false Malkor Precious metals have a value added which is based on the assumption that it has value it means Gold or precious metals could quite easily lose their value if they were no longer accepted as valuable the value of precious metals being valuable exists only in the minds of people so it is an "illusion" So you say its like all trading items it is not because take oil for example it has real value as its required as a source of energy and for other production so a group of people can chose to say Oil has no value and yet It will not change the fact that it has value because it is currently required but industry when it is no longer required by industry it then loses its real value. Where as precious metals sure they have value in industry which is their only true value but the majority of value added to precious metals is not real value its an illusionary value and it is unlike other trading items.

True, but oil is a commodity and though it has value and can be traded, it is not portable. You're not going to carry barrels of oil on your back when you go shopping for shoes. The entire idea of a currency system is that it does have an accepted value.

[malkor]

....taken slightly out of context....imagine you have survived a nuclear attack/war, you've surfaced for the first time after one week, two weeks or however long....your're hungry, thirsty or may be in need of medical attention, you see daylight...your very first look at what was unleashed upon you...tell me this, what the fuck good is currency, gold... silver?.. the banking system is gone... life as you knew it...gone total devistation on a scale never seen before....

So you go in search of what... a fuckin' cash point?... No... because the basic instinct will be to survive, look for others, find food and water.....rebuilding a community... start again picking up the pieces of those millions of lives....oblitorated...and for what?...greed!

...so you see from this perspective, and from my own view point, i would club to death, with any blunt instrument i could lay my hands on, anyone who said.. "what we need...is a bank" either everybody has it....or nobody does!!

You can take it from here, i would be stating the obvious to go further anyway....but my point was being made from that view....:)

The thread is about the collapse of world economy. Where the fuck did nuclear holocaust come from?

The view from a world economy collapse means that paper money you have is worthless, but your property still has some value depending on how important it is to others.

[malkor]

If no-one wants your baskets then why the hell are you making them in the first place ? A community would have a common goal. This means that they would say "we need baskets, potatoes, carrots, etc etc..". They wont be "selling" their baskets, it's for a common goal. Similar to a co-operative system.

You're talking about tribal communist system. That's all well and good, but it only means that the ones who wean themselves back into a capitalist economy will eventually amass enough wealth to destroy your way of life.

The tribal communist organization won't last, especially if the world economy collapse is staged from a central source. Those who stage it will already have devised the method to take the reins of power and restore order according to their vision.

[steevo]

You're talking about tribal communist system. That's all well and good, but it only means that the ones who wean themselves back into a capitalist economy will eventually amass enough wealth to destroy your way of life.

The tribal communist organization won't last, especially if the world economy collapse is staged from a central source. Those who stage it will already have devised the method to take the reins of power and restore order according to their vision.

They wont be able to take the reigns if we educate ourselves (every one of us) in their tactics (and awaken).

I'm not talking a "tribal communist system". Sorry but those labels are given to help create division. I'm talking about NOT having a capitalist society, just a common goal of loving your fellow man. It's the tiny tiny few at the VERY top that lead us into a "capitalist" society (or other dictatatorial societies), not the regular joe who just does as he is told. In a truly fair "system", we would all be taught how it all works and how to think freely and then we would not be manipulated into ANYTHING. When this current system ends (and the system that I describe starts) there will be a period of confusion where people can't get used to not having a "dog eat dog" mentality but this will end due to gaining knowledge of the truth (the awakening). And anyway, it will be EASY for the system to work as I described because , it's the natural way of things in my opinion.

[mightiswrong]

I think a discussion of monetary systems detracts from the true residence of wealth which is the kin's domain or space of love (http://www.ringingcedarsforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=534).

http://www.doyletics.com/images/kindomain.jpg

[free thinker]

steevo.....well said

[malkor]

They wont be able to take the reigns if we educate ourselves (every one of us) in their tactics (and awaken).

I'm not talking a "tribal communist system". Sorry but those labels are given to help create division.


You mentioned "common goal" and "cooperative system," that's a communist system that was used by native tribes before they were introduced to capitalism. The label is descriptive rather than divisive. It all depends on how you use a label.


I'm talking about NOT having a capitalist society, just a common goal of loving your fellow man.


A noble idea but you must first overcome greed. In order to do that, you have to redesign the human genome. But that's all moot since just saying "NOT capitalist" doesn't magically create a working system. Eventually, you are going to require resources held by another group of people and they will want to trade: capitalism will rise again.


It's the tiny tiny few at the VERY top that lead us into a "capitalist" society (or other dictatatorial societies), not the regular joe who just does as he is told. In a truly fair "system", we would all be taught how it all works and how to think freely and then we would not be manipulated into ANYTHING. When this current system ends (and the system that I describe starts) there will be a period of confusion where people can't get used to not having a "dog eat dog" mentality but this will end due to gaining knowledge of the truth (the awakening). And anyway, it will be EASY for the system to work as I described because , it's the natural way of things in my opinion.

That is not necessarily the natural way. Nature always finds the equilibrium and the state we have today can only exist because of the way we are genetically built.

[real6]

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