Icke to stand for parliament?

[hirschfelder]

Blimey charlie!

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/14054/82/

This week the Conservative Party Home Affairs Spokesman, David Davis, resigned his parliamentary seat in the constituency of Haltemprice and Howden, which includes Hull in the east to the outskirts of Goole in the west and northwards to Holme-on-Spalding-Moor.

Davis resigned in protest at the fast-emerging Big Brother State (which I have warned was coming for the last nearly 20 years). The final straw for Davis was the passing recently of a law that allows the authorities to hold ‘terrorist suspects’ for 42 days without charge. He resigned and will seek to return to Parliament in this by-election next month on the issue of the Big Brother society.

Britain’s other major political parties, the Liberal Democrats and the governing Labour Party of Tony Blair and current Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, have announced that they won’t be standing against him. The Liberals say they are doing this because they support his stand and the Labour Party say they won’t put up a candidate because the election is 'a farce’. For ‘a farce’ read: ‘We know we would get slaughtered because of the massive scale of public opinion against the gathering Big Brother state.’
davis


If I stood, it would not be against Davis as such because I have no wish to be elected to Parliament and get stuck in that irrelevant web of deceit and corruption. I couldn’t take my seat anyway because I would never go through the pathetic ritual of pledging my ‘allegiance’ to the Queen.

I would be supporting the stand of Davis against the Orwellian State and I would want him to win the seat and let him be a voice against the Big Brother society in Parliament.

There is an enormous amount of what David Davis stands for on other issues that I fundamentally disagree with, but this is a time for all colours, creeds, backgrounds and views to unite on something that affects ALL of us – the tearing down of the most basic freedoms.

And if people think they live in a Big Brother Police State now, they have seen nothing yet.

So why am I open to standing in the election with Davis?

Because this election, with its mainstream media coverage, can be a platform to gain publicity for the big picture behind the Big Brother State – which I have been highlighting and warning about in my books and public talks for nearly 20 years.

David Davis has seen one level of it and blames the Labour government for destroying civil liberties in Britain. But it is bigger than that, much bigger. The same is happening in countries worldwide at the same time because it is centrally and globally coordinated, as I have been exposing and detailing for two decades.

The UK Labour government is just the vehicle for introducing it in the UK, that’s all.

I will stand IF there is enough physical and financial support to do a professional job. Otherwise there is no point. The maximum any candidate can spend on the three to four weeks campaigning is £100,000 and David Davis will be spending at least the best part of that.

I would do it with a fraction of that figure because I am not trying to get elected – just get essential information into the public arena.

Yes, of course, the mainstream media would ridicule me, but so what’s new? I would not be doing it for them, nor to win a popularity contest, but for those who have ears to hear and children and grandchildren to protect from the nightmare world that is unfolding unless we make a stand now.

Please contact Justin Walker at Jrgwalker@aol.com if you are prepared to help and if the response is there we will launch our financial appeal within a few days and off we go.

Best wishes,

[limelady]

Blimey Charlie's right!!! :eek:

Go David....do what you feel is right!!! :D

[largejack]

Fantastic! Although I don't really understand how he can stand 'with' him?

[h2pogo]

my support is granted.
I am willing to donate.

[hirschfelder]

Fantastic! Although I don't really understand how he can stand 'with' him?

I think the idea is that this by-election will be fought in terms of civil liberties vs national security and the Icke man wants his twopenneth!

Good on him, but I can see the MSM marginalising him and treating him as a novelty candidate. I doubt he'll get on Question Time

[manchurian_candidate]

He has my 100% full support. :)

[raptorialis]

Blimey Charlie's right!!! :eek:

Go David....do what you feel is right!!! :D

Is David Icke turning into a lizard?

So David becomes the same monster that he has spent decades fighting.

A Politician. A Gatekeeper to power!

Is this an admission of his true intent?

To join the (so called) Illuminati?

Or is this a way of infiltrating and subverting the upper ranks of the bourgeosie demon?

Matrix hackers hope the latter.
:)

[steevo]

David would potentially wake up EVERY person in that constituency just by planting a seed of thought. Sure, the mainstream media will try to ridicule but it will get people THINKING and that is what is needed.

Haltemprice and Howden, GET READY TO BE AWAKENED! :D

[hirschfelder]

Is David Icke turning into a lizard?

So David becomes the same monster that he has spent decades fighting.

A Politician. A Gatekeeper to power!

Is this an admission of his true intent?

To join the (so called) Illuminati?

Or is this a way of infiltrating and subverting the upper ranks of the bourgeosie demon?

Matrix hackers hope the latter.
:)

Don't bother yourself with reading the article or anything will you :confused:

[phaid]

The best bit -
If I stood, it would not be against Davis as such because I have no wish to be elected to Parliament and get stuck in that irrelevant web of deceit and corruption. I couldn’t take my seat anyway because I would never go through the pathetic ritual of pledging my ‘allegiance’ to the Queen.
;)

[manchurian_candidate]

Is David Icke turning into a lizard?

So David becomes the same monster that he has spent decades fighting.

A Politician. A Gatekeeper to power!

Is this an admission of his true intent?

To join the (so called) Illuminati?

Or is this a way of infiltrating and subverting the upper ranks of the bourgeosie demon?

Matrix hackers hope the latter.
:)



Do you really even need to ask that question? David is a 'leader of the awakened' do you REALLY think he would turn to the other side? Would any of us now knowing the truth sacrifice truth, higher consciousness etc for mere power? Power on earth is nothing...

[truthseeker1980]

How do you go about setting up a new party? Or is that impossible?

I thought for a while now that there is a need for a people's party, I'm sure there are lot's of people on here who would be willing to take part. The only thing that would get in my way would be earning enough money to survive whilst promoting the party.

I have a few friends who have wanted to try and do this for a few years but we dont know where to start.

[jimmi]

I pledge my support and will donate what I can afford.
Who would you rather trust to speak on your behalf about the stripping away of your liberty? There are enough of us here to really make a difference, let's get off the line and out on the streets, I would try to travel there, just spend a few hours politely asking people to support and vote for D. Icke, then go home feeling real good about myself. I'd like to see our David win then hand over the seat to the next candidate, even(and I can't believe I'm saying this) if it is the tory candidate!

[raptorialis]

Don't bother yourself with reading the article or anything will you :confused:

So a wolf has broken free from the gathering and now we must support his path back in. So that his conscience can be clear. So that he ends up delivering nothing but muffled words.

Do you really think this is any more than a stunt by David Davis?

This is all about how our freedoms are being eroded to prepare us for the day when there is mass uprising. This is all about the hand over of power from labour to tory.

This is nothing more than a tactic to show that Tory's do care - so the conservatives get elected. David Icke will not achieve anything for the people by doing this and nothing he says or does is going to make any real difference - in this respect. He cannot stop the rise of the beast this way.

Power is derived from whispers, he can only truly succeed through whispers.

[steevo]

So a wolf has broken free from the group and now we must support his path back in. So that his conscience can be clear. So that he ends up delivering nothing but muffled words.

Do you really think this is any more than a stunt by David Davis?

This is all about how our freedoms are being eroded to prepare us for the day when there is mass uprising. This is all about the hand over of power from labour to tory.

This is nothing more than a tactic to show that Tory's do care - so the conservatives get elected. David will not achieve anything for the people by doing this and nothing he says or does is going to make any real difference - in this respect. He cannot stop the rise of the beast this way.

Power is derived from whispers, he can only truly succeed through whispers.

Well, Ickey MUST be doing something right because raptorialis is trying convince us that David Icke is wrong to put himself forward :D By putting himself forward like this, Ickey will wake people up. Simple as that. It dont matter HOW they wake up as long as they do.

[jimmi]

I think David Icke has already made a real difference to the level of awakened consciousnesses in this country and more, why not make it 'our' stunt and be open about our true aims and find out if that may or may not be the right path to take us to where we want to go.

[raptorialis]

I think David Icke has already made a real difference to the level of awakened consciousnesses in this country and more, why not make it 'our' stunt and be open about our true aims and find out if that may or may not be the right path to take us to where we want to go.

This is an overt and obvious stunt that will be discredited and serve no one else but the egos involved. It will not affect the naughty ones.

[Ian2day]

Deja Vue... (I knew it all along ;) )

[duckingdafta]

Well, funny thing here.. I live near the holme upon spalding moore and Davis is my MP...ever since this resignation has happened we've had constant choppers flying around [this area known for flying.. hang-gliding, and speed car trials]... we also have had NO chemtrails since his return home.
I will tell you after having plenty of conversations with parents and workers in this area, A lot of people are ready to riot over rising cost and are just looking for someone to lead them..yes, this IS an area of sheep, but why not use them if you can't awaken them.
David Icke would be a crap MP as there isn't enough 7 hour time slots to get all your MMM's and RRR's.. Pam on the other hand would do better... it's not the message, it's the telling of it.

[peterjohnglynn]

David Icke has my cast iron vote if & when I am allowed to give it. All night sittings would need to be brought back.

David Davis has my vote.

[turquoisefyre]

Is David Icke turning into a lizard?

So David becomes the same monster that he has spent decades fighting.

A Politician. A Gatekeeper to power!

Is this an admission of his true intent?

To join the (so called) Illuminati?

Or is this a way of infiltrating and subverting the upper ranks of the bourgeosie demon?

Matrix hackers hope the latter.
:)


i'll say you are making good points here...

but the hard truth is we cannot afford to fight this Satanic-NWO-Global-Fascist-Police-State form the outside any longer.

in case no one has noticed, we are all front line soldiers (like it or not) and we are pretty much out of ammo...so it's time to fix the bayonets and charge with whatever we have left.

our freedoms will not be handed to us on a gold platter.
the only change that will come from now on is the change we are willing to physically bring ourselves in real life situations, i.e. going out and getting our hands dirty and not sitting behind computers pretending.

as Al Pacino's character in Scent Of A Woman said: (from my memory;))

"there are 2 kinds of people in this word; those that run and hide and those that stand up and face the music."

[h2pogo]

How do you go about setting up a new party? Or is that impossible?

I thought for a while now that there is a need for a people's party, I'm sure there are lot's of people on here who would be willing to take part. The only thing that would get in my way would be earning enough money to survive whilst promoting the party.

I have a few friends who have wanted to try and do this for a few years but we dont know where to start.

http://lpuk.org/

[raptorialis]

i'll say you are making good points here...

but the hard truth is we cannot afford to fight this Satanic-NWO-Global-Fascist-Police-State form the outside any longer.

in case no one has noticed, we are all front line soldiers (like it or not) and we are pretty much out of ammo...so it's time to fix the bayonets and charge with whatever we have left.

our freedoms will not be handed to us on a gold platter.
the only change that will come from now on is the change we are willing to physically bring ourselves in real life situations, i.e. going out and getting our hands dirty and not sitting behind computers pretending.

as Al Pacino's character in Scent Of A Woman said: (from my memory;))

"there are 2 kinds of people in this word; those that run and hide and those that stand up and face the music."

you don't fight indirection head on. You will never succeed that way.

[turquoisefyre]

you don't fight indirection head on. You will never succeed that way.

half descent point.

but what is your strategy then?

most people prefer just to sit and look, or just worse, sit and look and bitch from the outside. and nothing still gets done.

[skyline]

A good idea in my opinion but I would take the seat and really piss them off

Fight em on the inside trojan style

[raptorialis]

half descent point.

but what is your strategy then?

most people prefer just to sit and look, or just worse, sit and look and bitch from the outside. and nothing still gets done.

strategy is to fight indirection with indirection.

[informationx]

I have no wish to be elected to Parliament and get stuck in that irrelevant web of deceit and corruption. I couldn’t take my seat anyway because I would never go through the pathetic ritual of pledging my ‘allegiance’ to the Queen.

From

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/14054/82/

Looks obvious hes standing to bring light to the issues of the big brother state, and not to become part of the system so to speak.

This is a great opportunity in my opinion to really get public attention to the issues David Davies resigned on.

[swordofjustice]

I saw the article that noted David Icke was considering standing in the same by-election as David Davis just a few minutes ago.

First reaction ... "yeah, go for it!"

Second reaction, when things came into focus (yeah, step back, deep breath, look again) ... this will be a re-enactment what happened to RON PAUL in America - deja vu all over again.

For those not familiar - Ron Paul, basically a Libertarian within the Republican Party, tried for several months to get his messages out to the people of the USA in his quest to be their Presidential nominee. Small Government, protect Civil Liberties, ensure your currency is backed by something or it's not even worth the paper it's printed on.

What did the mainstrean media do? Everything they could to ensure his voice was not heard. On the rare occasion that Mr Paul managed to get his head into the camera lens, the media did all they could to ridicule him, even ridiculing the American Constitution that Paul held above high above all else at the same time.

David Icke standing for Parliament would be no different. As Labour have already said, and shaped the media's opinion already, now they and the Lib Dems are not putting up a candidate "all that will be left is the lunatic fringe", or words to that effect.

So, before action begins, the deck is already stacked against all the other candidates, whether they deserve it or not.

If the number of other candidates is limited, then there's maybe just a chance that David Icke might get a few seconds of soundbites here and there. Unfortunately, I reckon there will be DOZENS of other candidates. At which point, the media will say "how do we choose which ones to give column inches or airtime to?"

They will then say, in the interests of "fairness", they will not cover any of them.

And no matter how much, time, money, and effort you put in, that's going to be one hell of an uphill battle. Whispers may be the answer to the problem, given that the idea is to not actually contest and win the election, but actually to get the really important issues an airing.

However, I feel that there is a considerable under-estimation of how difficult this will be given the nature of the way things will be set up.

Then again, and to contradict everything I've just said, and to give it a welcome football analogy that Mr Icke will appreciate "you stand a better chance of scoring if you've got yourself into the penalty area"!

[steevo]

I saw the article that noted David Icke was considering standing in the same by-election as David Davis just a few minutes ago.

First reaction ... "yeah, go for it!"

Second reaction, when things came into focus (yeah, step back, deep breath, look again) ... this will be a re-enactment what happened to RON PAUL in America - deja vu all over again.

For those not familiar - Ron Paul, basically a Libertarian within the Republican Party, tried for several months to get his messages out to the people of the USA in his quest to be their Presidential nominee. Small Government, protect Civil Liberties, ensure your currency is backed by something or it's not even worth the paper it's printed on.

What did the mainstrean media do? Everything they could to ensure his voice was not heard. On the rare occasion that Mr Paul managed to get his head into the camera lens, the media did all they could to ridicule him, even ridiculing the American Constitution that Paul held above high above all else at the same time.

David Icke standing for Parliament would be no different. As Labour have already said, and shaped the media's opinion already, now they and the Lib Dems are not putting up a candidate "all that will be left is the lunatic fringe", or words to that effect.

So, before action begins, the deck is already stacked against all the other candidates, whether they deserve it or not.

If the number of other candidates is limited, then there's maybe just a chance that David Icke might get a few seconds of soundbites here and there. Unfortunately, I reckon there will be DOZENS of other candidates. At which point, the media will say "how do we choose which one to give column inches or airtime to?"

They will then say, in the interests of "fairness", they will not cover any of them.

And now matter how much, time, money, and effort you put in, that's going to be one hell of an uphill battle. Whispers may be the answer to the problem, given that the idea is to not actually contest and win the election, but actually to get the really important issues an airing.

However, I feel that there is a considerable under-estimation of how difficult this will be given the nature of the way things will be set up.

Then again, and to contradict everything I've just said, and to give it a welcome football analogy that Mr Icke will appreciate "you stand a better chance of scoring if you've got yourself into the penalty area"!

I dont give a shit if the mainstream media cover him or not because just by getting in amongst the people it will get them talking and THINKING :)

[turquoisefyre]

... this will be a re-enactment what happened to RON PAUL in America - deja vu all over again.


well, how many (real)people would you refer to in politics when you are trying to make people aware of what terrible state the world is in?

we need SOMEONE to refer to as a model of how things need to work. at least thats a first step, and not a waste of time, imo.

[turquoisefyre]

strategy is to fight indirection with indirection.


yeah but isn't that these days abit like trying to mime your way out of the matrix?

[raptorialis]

I saw the article that noted David Icke was considering standing in the same by-election as David Davis just a few minutes ago.

First reaction ... "yeah, go for it!"

Second reaction, when things came into focus (yeah, step back, deep breath, look again) ... this will be a re-enactment what happened to RON PAUL in America - deja vu all over again.

For those not familiar - Ron Paul, basically a Libertarian within the Republican Party, tried for several months to get his messages out to the people of the USA in his quest to be their Presidential nominee. Small Government, protect Civil Liberties, ensure your currency is backed by something or it's not even worth the paper it's printed on.

What did the mainstrean media do? Everything they could to ensure his voice was not heard. On the rare occasion that Mr Paul managed to get his head into the camera lens, the media did all they could to ridicule him, even ridiculing the American Constitution that Paul held above high above all else at the same time.

David Icke standing for Parliament would be no different. As Labour have already said, and shaped the media's opinion already, now they and the Lib Dems are not putting up a candidate "all that will be left is the lunatic fringe", or words to that effect.

So, before action begins, the deck is already stacked against all the other candidates, whether they deserve it or not.

If the number of other candidates is limited, then there's maybe just a chance that David Icke might get a few seconds of soundbites here and there. Unfortunately, I reckon there will be DOZENS of other candidates. At which point, the media will say "how do we choose which ones to give column inches or airtime to?"

They will then say, in the interests of "fairness", they will not cover any of them.

And no matter how much, time, money, and effort you put in, that's going to be one hell of an uphill battle. Whispers may be the answer to the problem, given that the idea is to not actually contest and win the election, but actually to get the really important issues an airing.

However, I feel that there is a considerable under-estimation of how difficult this will be given the nature of the way things will be set up.

Then again, and to contradict everything I've just said, and to give it a welcome football analogy that Mr Icke will appreciate "you stand a better chance of scoring if you've got yourself into the penalty area"!

My thinking too "swordofjustice"

Its going to be perceived as one big freak show. Put all the freaks up against David Davis and guess what - he wins! Using the illusion of democracy to fuel the perception of a hollow victory and in so doing :

1. Reduce David Davis's real case and standing in the eyes of the public.
2. destroy the validatity of the idoits who jumped onboard.

Nobody wins... except of course the naughty ones in the shadows.

Its a black hat trap and DI is about to walk right into it.

[danielg]

Would it be possible to find some Icke voters who live in that constituency, then get 10,000s of Brits who would vote for Icke to put their names on the electoral register as living at those houses? Or are households limited? I don't know how these things work in Britain; The thought of Icke grilling Gordon Brown over him being a reptilian, is well worth the effort though. :)

[raptorialis]

ps. It must be a freak show. Apparently Kelvin Mckensie is in it.

I expect he has been briefed to play the same role he always plays.

A vindictive, self-satisfied crazy maker.

[Ian2day]

It will be very interesting to see just who else stands.

[hirschfelder]

The thought of Icke grilling Gordon Brown over him being a reptilian, is well worth the effort though. :)

lol

[deca]

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/blackpoolnews/Rebel-Hamish-to-stand-in.4185991.jp
Rebel Hamish to stand in terror debate by-election


Hamish Howitt who is standing against David Davis

« Previous « PreviousNext » Next »View GalleryADVERTISEMENTPublished Date: 14 June 2008
By Joe Robinson
BLACKPOOL'S smoking ban rebel landlord has revealed he is to take on resigning Tory MP David Davis and stand for parliament.
Hamish Howitt, who owns two pubs on Rigby Road, Blackpool, has consistently campaigned against the smoking ban and allowed customers to smoke in one of his bars since the ban came in last July.

What do you think about Hamish's stance? See our daily news vote and leave your comments below.

And he now plans to catapult the issue into the national spotlight by taking on the former shadow home secretary.

Davis shocked the world of politics by stepping down from his post on Thursday to fight a by-election in his Haltemprice and Howden constituency, near Hull, on the issue of a 42-day detention limit for terror suspects.

And Howitt, standing under the party name Freedom to Choose, intends to challenge him, saying Mr Davis is standing up for terrorists while failing to stand up for: "ordinary working class smokers."

"The man is a hypocrite and what he's doing is a publicity stunt," he said.

"Why, if he is campaigning about the erosion of civil liberties, is he standing up for the rights of suspected terrorists but not smokers?

"My priority is to expose David Davis' hypocrisy and I actually think the majority of the public back plans for 42 days detention anyway.

"I'm hoping to arrange a big meeting and drum up some support. My wife is from near the constituency, so I have got some experience of the area."

Mr Howitt, 55, who owns non-smoking Delboy's Sports Bar and the pro-smoking Happy Scots Bar, has also secured funding for his campaign from millionaire businessman David West, who himself defied the smoking ban at his nightclub in London.

As well as Davis, he will likely be challenging Kelvin MacKenzie, the former Sun newspaper editor, who, backed by his former boss Rupert Murdoch, revealed he was likely to stand in favour of the 42-day detention limit.

And another person set to be challenged by Howitt is Blackpool South MP Gordon Marsden. The landlord has revealed that if he is unsuccessful against Mr Davis, he plans to oppose Mr Marsden at the next General Election.

"It's hard to take on the party machines," he said.

"I've got no money, no secretary or anything like that but someone needs to stand up for the ordinary working class people.

"Britain is crying out for someone to challenge the monopoly and lies of the big parties and that's what I've tried to do in standing up for smokers."

The Labour Party and Liberal Democrats will not field candidates in the by-election, which takes place next month.

Both Howitt and his wife Jo, from Park Road, Blackpool, face outstanding charges of breaking the smoking ban, and are due to appear at Blackpool Magistrates Court facing four charges each on Wednesday.

Last November, Howitt became the first landlord in the country to be convicted of breaking the smoking ban, but efforts by Blackpool Council to close his bars down have so far been unsuccessful.

[w1nstonsm1th84]

It's pantomime season!























"Oh no it isn't!"

[raptorialis]

I don't think David should be putting himself up to be perceived as a laughing stock anymore.

He shouldn't be throwing himself into the pit and playing their game.

Is he a court jester or a leader?

Even the greatest, most truest men can allow themself to be misrepresented.

He needs to be above all that. This contest is a freak show.

Stay well away..

Don't give into the temptation and desert your faith.

[raptorialis]

What they do is design a weak adversary in the form of a contrived lobby against the 42 day detention proposal.

So you take discredited people like David Davis, David Icke, Kelvin Mckensie and make these the guys fighting on the side of the great and the good.

Then you smash their reputations repeatedly with the media until it looks like the 42 day detention proposal is a good idea.

What they are doing is using the discredited reputations of the people in the forefront to weaken the case for the proposal against the 42 days detention.

So once they are found out to be crackpots, their word means nothing and the competition from the "against lobby" effectively dissolves. After which we end up with an act of parliament that effectively takes us back to before the signing of the Magna Carta. And to hell with the Geneva convention and all that good stuff. Yep, we really are heading back to the middle ages.

Great job guys. Well done you!

[lilavati]

does anyone think that the lightworkers will come to power ever?

[steevo]

I don't think David should be putting himself up to be perceived as a laughing stock anymore.

He shouldn't be throwing himself into the pit and playing their game.

Is he a court jester or a leader?

Even the greatest, most truest men can allow themself to be misrepresented.

He needs to be above all that. This contest is a freak show.

Stay well away..

Don't give into the temptation and desert your faith.

It's up to David Icke to decide dont you think ?

You dont even like David Icke so what are you bothered about anyway ?

It's gonna REALLY rattle their cage when they hear that David Icke might be standing :D

[psych641]

How about standing, but instead of the message being 'vote for me, vote for x', it could be 'i cant do shit so dont vote for me, dont vote at all, turn off the tv now, go say hi to your neighbours!'

[frankanne]

Please contact Justin Walker at Jrgwalker@aol.com if you are prepared to help and if the response is there we will launch our financial appeal within a few days and off we go.


Here's the email I sent Justic Walker:

Hi.

I would love to support David Icke in whatever capacity he wants.

David Icke said:

"I would be supporting the stand of Davis against the Orwellian State and I would want him to win the seat and let him be a voice against the Big Brother society in Parliament."

I can't give money, but I can give time and effort, so let me know how I can contribute.

Thanking you.

[curly]

they had better watch it if ickey gets airtime he makes perfect sense to anyone with half a brain and i don't think anyone will be capable of making him look an idiot without it being edited to look so.he's not going to talk about reptilians just politics and he can waste anyone even paxman on that cause they know f**k all and he has researched it for 20 years.as he said i hope davis wins but i wonder what davis will do if he wins and what direction he will go in,is he clued up or not? i think he really means it.I saw in the press that there are going to be some nasty slimey gits like kelvin mckenzie who wants 420 days detention in the frame,i bet labour do put someone up to see how many sun readers are capable of finding their way to the polling booths and voting for their own liberties to be taken away.doh

[cafe beelzebub]

DO IT

it will be a massive foot into the mainstream... the time for his voice to be heard is now

i'll donate (what i can)

[cafe beelzebub]

somebody give Alex Jones a ring and tell him to donate some of the 250 grand he made from his money bomb last month.

[steevo]

somebody give Alex Jones a ring and tell him to donate some of the 250 grand he made from his money bomb last month.

I wonder be surprised if Alex Jones gave his support.

[cruise4]

It's certainly an interesting development. I also don't get the 'stand with him' part. If you don't intend to take your seat I'm unsure what the point is 'except' for widening an audience, which is no bad thing of course.

However why not go for winning the thing as an independant running as an independant people's parliament ie. start an alternative government completely and see if the people go for the idea so no Queen stuff etc. needed. A direct challenge to the whole caboodle?

[dangermouse]

AJ needs all the money for storable food berkey filters and gold and silver and his new tv show. just kidding. :p

I think he probably would support David , he likes his stuff bar the reptilian agenda stuff

[w1nstonsm1th84]

Funny... Davis has always reminded me of Icke- perhaps it's the accent/speech pattern, and Davis' role of being a 'sceptic'/'champion of freedoms'...

42 is BAD... 28 is GOOD?? 4+2=6, 8-2=6... 66

The 'Punch and Judy Show' of politics goes on...

This is like 'The village' (The Prisoner). :-/

[raptorialis]

It's up to David Icke to decide dont you think ?

You dont even like David Icke so what are you bothered about anyway ?

It's gonna REALLY rattle their cage when they hear that David Icke might be standing :D

I am trying to warn David Icke. If i didn't like him - i wouldn't do that! I don't agree with him on everything - but then - thats life.

I don't think it will rattle anybody's cage whether David Icke stands or not. Quite the opposite. It is likely to fuel a campaign that is designed to be discredited and to support the case for 42 day detention.

__________________________________________________ _________

What they do is design a weak adversary in the form of a contrived lobby against the 42 day detention proposal.

So you take discredited people like David Davis, David Icke, Kelvin Mckensie and make these the guys fighting on the side of the great and the good.

Then you smash their reputations repeatedly with the media until it looks like the 42 day detention proposal is a good idea.

What they are doing is using the discredited reputations of the people in the forefront to weaken the case for the proposal against the 42 days detention.

So once they are found out to be crackpots, their word means nothing and the competition from the "against lobby" effectively dissolves. After which we end up with an act of parliament that effectively takes us back to before the signing of the Magna Carta. And to hell with the Geneva convention and all that good stuff. Yep, we really are heading back to the middle ages.

Great job guys. Well done you!

[cruise4]

I agree with that raptorialis, but isn't that always going to be the case? That's no reason to ignore your suggestion either. But what's to be done 'ever'? I'd see it as a better opportunity for a truther candidate for sure, seeing DI as a bigger gun for when the timings better.... but will it ever be better?

Like others I initially thought great but now I think its possibly a bad idea. DI is the wrong candidate at this time. But it's an opportunity for someone, but who?

CAN we initialise an alternative government. How would such a thing go down? Sod this London and Queen stuff. Let's set one up from Glastonbury and elect an Arthur! I for one would be fully prepared to only follow the people's parliament. No Tax, Cornwall independance if they want it... etc.

[cafe beelzebub]

So you take discredited people like David Davis, David Icke, Kelvin Mckensie and make these the guys fighting on the side of the great and the good.

Then you smash their reputations repeatedly with the media until it looks like the 42 day detention proposal is a good idea.

What they are doing is using the discredited reputations of the people in the forefront to weaken the case for the proposal against the 42 days detention.


So the people involved should just stay quiet coz their reputations are already dodgey in the media?

Mother Teresa could stand up tomorrow (if she weren't dead) and start banging on about civil liberties and fascist governments, and her reputation would imediatly be slured.

It wouldn't matter who speaks out about it, they'd get slured, that's what the media does.

Icke is the best person to speak out in this instance, more and more people are seeing whats going on anyway, and the medias slurs are having less effects.

[steevo]

So the people involved should just stay quiet coz their reputations are already dodgey in the media?

Mother Teresa could stand up tomorrow (if she weren't dead) and start banging on about civil liberties and fascist governments, and her reputation would imediatly be slured.

It wouldn't matter who speaks out about it, they'd get slured, that's what the media does.

Icke is the best person to speak out in this instance, more and more people are seeing whats going on anyway, and the medias slurs are having less effects.

I agree cafe.
Not only that, the seeds of awakening need to be planted in the people's heads while the internet is still "free" if possible (one of the first websites they will want to ban will be this one IMO), and David probably knows that if he doesnt do as much as possible NOW to wake people up then he may never get another chance as good as this one whilst there is so much info available on the internet for people to refer after they have heard him speak. David Icke is about WAKING people up.

[kweli]

If this is put out to to assess public reaction, then I'm concerned that most of you think this is a good idea. :confused:

Don't do it David Icke! that is my plea to you; there's much better ways, surely?

[steevo]

If this is put out to to assess public reaction, then I'm concerned that most of you think this is a good idea. :confused:

Don't do it David Icke! that is my plea to you; there's much better ways, surely?

I dont get it. Why are we frightened ? I dont care. All that matters is the awakening surely ? :confused:

[kweli]

I am trying to warn David Icke. If i didn't like him - i wouldn't do that! I don't agree with him on everything - but then - thats life.

I don't think it will rattle anybody's cage whether David Icke stands or not. Quite the opposite. It is likely to fuel a campaign that is designed to be discredited and to support the case for 42 day detention.

__________________________________________________ _________

What they do is design a weak adversary in the form of a contrived lobby against the 42 day detention proposal.

So you take discredited people like David Davis, David Icke, Kelvin Mckensie and make these the guys fighting on the side of the great and the good.

Then you smash their reputations repeatedly with the media until it looks like the 42 day detention proposal is a good idea.

What they are doing is using the discredited reputations of the people in the forefront to weaken the case for the proposal against the 42 days detention.

So once they are found out to be crackpots, their word means nothing and the competition from the "against lobby" effectively dissolves. After which we end up with an act of parliament that effectively takes us back to before the signing of the Magna Carta. And to hell with the Geneva convention and all that good stuff. Yep, we really are heading back to the middle ages.

Great job guys. Well done you!

I'm with you, completely.

[raptorialis]

I agree with that raptorialis, but isn't that always going to be the case? That's no reason to ignore your suggestion either. But what's to be done 'ever'? I'd see it as a better opportunity for a truther candidate for sure, seeing DI as a bigger gun for when the timings better.... but will it ever be better?

Like others I initially thought great but now I think its possibly a bad idea. DI is the wrong candidate at this time. But it's an opportunity for someone, but who?

CAN we initialise an alternative government. How would such a thing go down? Sod this London and Queen stuff. Let's set one up from Glastonbury and elect an Arthur! I for one would be fully prepared to only follow the people's parliament. No Tax, Cornwall independance if they want it... etc.

The media has destroyed the DI persona. DI has added to this. What DI stands for is truth - but what comes across is a jumble of facts, extraordinary insight, conspiracy, sci-fi and fantastic speculation.

It is not the man that people will not fully embrace, it the illusory persona that has been sold to them over many years.

I very much like your thinking cruise4 that perhaps someone else should fill his shoes in this respect.

[multiversal]

Icke would get my support. I couldn't offer financial but any other way I'm open to providing it was peaceful as I'm sure it would be! :)

[izzy]

id definitely support David Icke .. what a great platform to get his voice heard .. and id donate:)

[steevo]

People need to be awakened NOW. Why do people always say "wait".
I dont care about ridicule. Some people will choose to ridicule, that is for SURE but others like you and me will discuss it. And they can only come to one conclusion. The same one that we have come to. Even if they choose to ignore the conclusion they have come to that we are being duped in getting our freedoms taken away, the seed will have been planted and it will start to grow (and not much can stop it) when they see what Icke has said coming true EVERY day.

[kweli]

I dont get it. Why are we frightened ? I dont care. All that matters is the awakening surely ? :confused:

I'm not frightened Steevo, I'm what I call a sunny faced optimist with a realistic outlook, :D.

Dig deeper guys, then you'd see why encouraging Dave to do this thing could be a seriously bad move.

Democracy is dead! Tis well dead, & fucking buried! The political system is not the way to get through to the masses, haven't we learnt that already? It needs something else, I thought DI would understand that more than most?

[steevo]

I'm not frightened Steevo, I'm what I call a sunny faced optimist with a realistic outlook, :D.

Dig deeper guys, then you'd see why encouraging Dave to do this thing could be a seriously bad move.

Democracy is dead! Tis well dead, & fucking buried! The political system is not the way to get through to the masses, haven't we learnt that already? It needs something else, I thought DI would understand that more than most?

But Ickey has already said the following :-

If I stood, it would not be against Davis as such because I have no wish to be elected to Parliament and get stuck in that irrelevant web of deceit and corruption. I couldn’t take my seat anyway because I would never go through the pathetic ritual of pledging my ‘allegiance’ to the Queen.

FREE SPEECH is gonna be dead soon FFS and he needs to speak while he still can. Soon they will class him as a terrorist and us too with their crazy new laws and then how can we get our voices heard ? We cannot delay it anymore. I hope Icke stands. The time to speak out is now.

[celtic isis]

i'm late to the party - AGAIN!

well i was all excited, and i still am to hear about this...and steevo your posts, ah my friend i totally agree with you, that's my stance on things too...so i'm not gonna let those negative vibes get to me...omg is this too good to be true, there's like a huge new awakening vibe going on...could it be that the PTB have completely shot themselves in the foot...looks like we're getting a number of chances here to change things...most be the new wave of energy getting a grip...:)

let it continue and icke of course has my blessing and support :) particularly after listening to him on james whale's show. Great stuff. It's all good.

go David! and GO US! :)

[raptorialis]

But Ickey has already said the following :-



FREE SPEECH is gonna be dead soon FFS and he needs to speak while he still can. Soon they will class him as a terrorist and us too with their crazy new laws and then how can we get our voices heard ? We cannot delay it anymore. I hope Icke stands. The time to speak out is now.

So you subscribe to the strategy that because you are running out of ideas - you run around like a banshee, kicking every door in some hopeless quest to break free.

Thats what they want you to do. It makes you more visible and easier to manipulate. More malable even.

Kind of like a turkey shoot strategy, I think.

Get DI to put his neck on the line strategy. Shows me that the so called supporters dont really care about him.

Sacrificial lamb for the establishments amusement.

f* miscalculation.

[w1nstonsm1th84]

What makes you think that the indoctinated sheeple would actually listen to Icke anyway? Can he, single-handedly, stop this corrupt NWO global agenda...?

Tune in- same time, same channel- next week! :D

What do you think the global 'elite' have been doing for all of these years, with: mobile communication towers; monitoring communications; destroying our food and water- and lacing it with mind suppressants and a whole cornucopia of toxic chemicals; chemtrail spraying; incessant mind-numbing propaganda and predictive programming via the controlled media; environmental scams.. etc etc ad infinitum?

Any potential 'rebellion' is twenty years too late. :(

[celtic isis]

Any potential 'rebellion' is twenty years too late. :(

w1nstonsm, don't give up the hope!

Better LATE than NEVER! at least the people aren't microchipped yet and can still think for themselves when they want to.

I say this is the time we've been waiting for, the 100th monkey thing is working!

[kweli]

But Ickey has already said the following :-



FREE SPEECH is gonna be dead soon FFS and he needs to speak while he still can. Soon they will class him as a terrorist and us too with their crazy new laws and then how can we get our voices heard ? We cannot delay it anymore. I hope Icke stands. The time to speak out is now.

Thing is, it's already dead! FFS! Do you seriously, deep down, think this is a good move? It's useless man! like I said.. democracy is dead & buried! DI has taught us this throughout his works.. :confused: I just don't understand why you guys still think this is a good move? It's fucking suicide!!! There's much better ways.. even i know that.

[steevo]

So you subscribe to the strategy that because you are running out of ideas - you run around like a banshee, kicking every door in some hopeless quest to break free.

Thats what they want you to do. It makes you more visible and easier to manipulate. More malable even.

Kind of like a turkey shoot strategy, I think.

Get DI to put his neck on the line strategy. Shows me that the so called supporters dont really care about him.

Sacrificial lamb for the establishments amusement.

f* miscalculation.

If David wants to stand he is free to stand. It matters not whether we like it. We have no room to tell him or anyone else what to do. David does what he feels is right. If he decides to stand then GREAT but if he doesnt then that is ok too because HE must decide to do what his gut instinct tells him as he always does. No pressure is on David from me to stand either way. And I know we all have our opinions on this and I'm just airing my genuine views.

David Icke's neck has always been on the line so how is this any different ? Turkey shoot WTF, that is something they would love to do to us no doubt but YOU can live in fear of it if YOU want. I dont think Ickey will be fearing it. Some things are worth "fighting" for and ridicule is one of the weapons that they use to frighten into not standing up or speaking out. If we ALL stood up like Icke does with courage, we would not be in this mess that we are in now.

Like Icke says sometimes, we have been taught that the nail that has it's head up is the first one to get hit with the hammer. This mentality is what keeps us from speaking out.

[steevo]

Thing is, it's already dead! FFS! Do you seriously, deep down, think this is a good move? It's useless man! like I said.. democracy is dead & buried! DI has taught us this throughout his works.. :confused: I just don't understand why you guys still think this is a good move? It's fucking suicide!!! There's much better ways.. even i know that.

There are other ways yes but better I dont know.
Suicide ? What do you mean ? That they may assassinate him ? When do you want us to act ? When it's too late ? Anyway I have said my bit and that is all.

Well what the fuck is the answer then ??? Come on, tell me. Is the answer that David Icke shouldnt stand ? That isnt an answer. He is trying to DO SOMETHING FFS :cool:

[beldazar]

Im with you Steevo! I think its a great idea! Anything to circulate the message is fine by me!
The more often something is said, the more people will take notice.

[steevo]

i'm late to the party - AGAIN!

well i was all excited, and i still am to hear about this...and steevo your posts, ah my friend i totally agree with you, that's my stance on things too...so i'm not gonna let those negative vibes get to me...omg is this too good to be true, there's like a huge new awakening vibe going on...could it be that the PTB have completely shot themselves in the foot...looks like we're getting a number of chances here to change things...most be the new wave of energy getting a grip...:)

let it continue and icke of course has my blessing and support :) particularly after listening to him on james whale's show. Great stuff. It's all good.

go David! and GO US! :)

I'm glad I'm not on my own:o Thanks Celtic lol :)
Actually, from looking back in the thread, quite alot of us would support Icke if he stands :)

[pduffy4]

Is David Icke turning into a lizard?

So David becomes the same monster that he has spent decades fighting.

A Politician. A Gatekeeper to power!

Is this an admission of his true intent?

To join the (so called) Illuminati?

Or is this a way of infiltrating and subverting the upper ranks of the bourgeosie demon?

Matrix hackers hope the latter.
:)

:confused:David Icke is not interested in power and he has not turned to the dark-side like Anakin Skywalker.

[pduffy4]

strategy is to fight indirection with indirection.

wot?:confused:

[kweli]

I feel sad that I'm not allowed freedom of speech on this issue. So, I'm gonna bow out of this one now because I know for sure that my true opinions aint welcome in this place.



Perhaps even the 'rabbit hole' is PSY- OPS!!!! :eek:

[h2pogo]

I feel sad that I'm not allowed freedom of speech on this issue. So, I'm gonna bow out of this one now because I know for sure that my true opinions aint welcome in this place.



Perhaps even the 'rabbit hole' is PSY- OPS!!!! :eek:

well i welcome all views it helps me see things from another perspective.
but i do reserve the right to dissagree.

[matthew84]

I can understand those who are hesitant about this but I think it is a good platform for David Icke, the time really is ripe, especially with the Queen ratifying the Lisbon Treaty today.

I have a camper van, I will go to Hull and help out leafleting of whatever is needed; nothing is ideal but something has to be done and I think the people are ready to protest about the ludicrous parliamentary goings-on.

Plus, up-coming is the MP's pay increase which will cause mass protest.

[steevo]

I feel sad that I'm not allowed freedom of speech on this issue. So, I'm gonna bow out of this one now because I know for sure that my true opinions aint welcome in this place.



Perhaps even the 'rabbit hole' is PSY- OPS!!!! :eek:

You DO have freedom of speech here Kweli. But if you wanna go then go.
Me and you disagree on this one but as far as I can see you are genuinely against the NWO (maybe :D;)) so we are allowed to have a heated discussion. PERSONALLY I would welcome everyone here except people who use all the NWO tactics to disrupt the forum but it doesnt mean that we would always agree. You said to me before that you usually agree with me in 9 out of the 10 things that we discuss, well maybe this is that 1 in 10 thing :)

[beldazar]

Hey kweli! You speak up for what you see is right. Very few people do that these days :(
You are certainly needed! :)

[equinox]

Well this is interesting.I think that DI does do what he feels is intuitively right, he spoke out about the reptilians, and did the Wogan interview, and alot of people think, or have thought that that was suicide, but, and as he has said, when you follow your intuition, everything always works out in the end, you can't see how it will do that , but it does.


Acouple of years ago he was offered a chance to go on Big Brother, but that didn't seem like a good idea, or maybe that was intuition, i dunno, I mean he could have got some info out on there, but he dcided against it.

f course he could be making a mistake here, but i beleive he will follow his intincts on this, and good luck to him, i will support him.:)

[h2pogo]

Some one pointed out last night that Magna Carta was written 800years ago the decleration of rights was writen 400 years ago.
both laws were brought about by the people to keep tptb in line.
so i reckon its time for another chapter of freedom to be written and i think this is a good opportunity.
the people of Britain are pissed at the moment.
the msm are sure to ridicule the Davids but they will be in effect ridiculing them selves.

[dave2012]

i have got to say with all honesty, as a long -time icke reader and general supporter, that THIS IS THE STUPIDEST IDEA I HAVE EVER HEARD.


Sometimes, you have to do what is right; not what your ego tells you to do. For fuck's sake, how in the hell is this going to facilitate the situation??

Why not lend some support to the only politician in living memory (bar galloway, say), that has demonstrated even half a spine, instead of standing against him ???!!!!!

DERRRR!!!!!

Talk about jumping on a fucking bandwagon. Icke would get no traction if he ran, and would serve as perfect SHIT FODDER, for the british press to stir up distraction and hearsay slur tactics, to ensure NOTHING OF ANY CONSEQUENCE GETS SERIOUSLY DISCUSSED OR AIRED ON THE MEDIA.

It does not take a fucking genius to see this. Come on icke, this is not bait. It is a simple fact.

I am actually starting to beleive the very boring "Icke is M15" rumours after hearing about this shit.

I have got a bloody good mind to STOP paying the 3pounds a month i am currently lending my support with, if he's going to do this shit with it.

unbelievable.

[raptorialis]

I'm with you Dave2012.

This is one big ambush where they put all the angry and outspoken and outcasts in one place with one agenda and then they smash them to
pieces - along with the case against 42 days detention.

Its an ambush.

David Davis is playing the softer, less wild persona of David Icke - only difference is DD doesn't give a toss for the peoples freedoms. He is just playing a political game. Thats what politicians do right!

Its so easy for people to sit back and say "go Dave, you have my support".

But the reality is - he does not have their support!

[w1nstonsm1th84]

'Son of God' Takes on Parliament

[steevo]

'Son of God' Takes on Parliament

That will certainly get the country talking :p:D

[matthew84]

It will indeed play badly in the press, but then are we playing their 'spin' game?

Who gives a ****t what the press think, it's the people that count and they will hear that many people, from Tory David Davis to our own David Icke think it's time to take a stand against the mainstream.

We have to take on the press too.

[raptorialis]

It will indeed play badly in the press, but then are we playing their 'spin' game?

Who gives a ****t what the press think, it's the people that count and they will hear that many people, from Tory David Davis to our own David Icke think it's time to take a stand against the mainstream.

We have to take on the press too.

Never make aliances with the devil. Never speak on his platform. Never be surprised when you do make a deal with the devil that your words are misrepresented. That you never have the chance to redeem yourself.

In politics, the truth comes in many shapes and colours.

Don't let them frame Davids truth.

[h2pogo]

Our rights need defending no matter how.http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15835

this is the best rule book ever writen,not many people realise this.
I have only just been made aware.
any thing to bring this out in the open is a good thing.
in my opinion.

http://www.tpuc.org

[matthew84]

Someone once said there comes a point at which silence is betrayal.

I think now is the time to speak.

But I understand your viewpoint.

I guess I trust (maybe naievely) that the sheeple are at such a point of diasaffection they now have ears to hear. They laughed at David before, maybe now things will be different: if they still want to laugh then let them because events are moving quickly now and they will soon realise their errrors.

[w1nstonsm1th84]

Never make aliances with the devil. Never speak on his platform. Never be surprised when you do make a deal with the devil that your words are misrepresented. That you never have the chance to redeem yourself.

In politics, the truth comes in many shapes and colours.

Don't let them frame Davids truth.

It reminds me of an episode ('Free for All') of The Prisoner, where Number 6 had to run for office... So many allegories of this system- the controlled press; the malleable public; the Americanised moronic 'razzamatazz' etc.

It's all fake!

[raptorialis]

Our rights need defending no matter how.http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15835

this is the best rule book ever writen,not many people realise this.
I have only just been made aware.
any thing to bring this out in the open is a good thing.
in my opinion.

http://www.tpuc.org

No one is arguing that there should be inaction. The argument is about how this action should be taken. It should not be taken by David Icke supporting a political motivated campaign in this way.

[steevo]

Never make aliances with the devil. Never speak on his platform. Never be surprised when you do make a deal with the devil that your words are misrepresented. That you never have the chance to redeem yourself.

In politics, the truth comes in many shapes and colours.

Don't let them frame Davids truth.

Here is what you think about Davids truth :-

Originally Posted by raptorialis
Writing a book about David Icke

Ask yourself this guys?

What tools does David Icke give you to fight fear and injustice?

None. Apart from books and advertisments and tickets at the door?

He fuels and channels your anger, your enlightment and your disalussionment.

But what in practice can you do about it?

He offers you nothing but words.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18370&page=2

[h2pogo]

No one is arguing that there should be inaction. The argument is about how this action should be taken. It should not be taken by David Icke supporting a political motivated campaign in this way.

got any better ideas

[raptorialis]

Here is what you think about Davids truth :-



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18370&page=2

Exactly. Words do not win freedom. Action does that.

[steevo]

Exactly. Words do not win freedom. Action does that.

If we ALL "woke up" (via words) then they would have no control over us anymore, that is freedom. It depends on what you mean by action though doesnt it.

[raptorialis]

If we ALL "woke up" (via words) then they would have no control over us anymore, that is freedom. It depends on what you mean by action though doesnt it.

You are awake steevo. Its just that you are used to people making you think that you are not.

Every religion, every culture, every educator, every visionary, every politician, every marketer, every writer, every celebrity seeks to draw you under their spell. To do this you must first be prepared to submit your will to theirs.

When you submit to another you lose your sense of personal identity and your power to be a free man.

I say, we should never ask David to submit to the political serpent in this way.

Let him be a free man. Don't prostitute a sacred faculty.

There are other ways.

[steevo]

You are awake steevo. Its just that you are used to people making you think that you are not.

Every religion, every culture, every educator, every visionary, every politician, every marketer, every writer, every celebrity seeks to draw you under their spell. To do this you must first be prepared to submit your will to theirs.

When you submit to another you lose your sense of personal identity and your power to be a free man.

I say, we should never ask David to submit to the political serpent in this way.

Let him be a free man. Don't prostitute a sacred faculty.

There are other ways.

I know what "awake" means thank you very much. Now answer the question (if that is possible).

[raptorialis]

I know what "awake" means thank you very much. Now answer the question (if that is possible).

I already said. You fight opponent strategies and tactics of indirection with your own strategies and tactics of indirection.

The strategy of direct action against a competitor who uses indirect action is profoundly flawed. It might sell a few books and fill a hall or two every year - but it just isn't that smart.

[steevo]

I already said. You fight opponent strategies and tactics of indirection with your own strategies and tactics of indirection.

The strategy of direct action against a competitor who uses indirect action is profoundly flawed. It might sell a few books and fill a hall or two every year - but it just isn't that smart.

The objective is to wake people up so it cannot be flawed if David Icke is trying to spread the information that wakes people up. Objective met.

[raptorialis]

The objective is to wake people up so it cannot be flawed if David Icke is trying to spread the information that wakes people up. Objective met.

yes, but he doesn't need to play the politicians game to spread it.

[kweli]

You are awake steevo. Its just that you are used to people making you think that you are not.

Every religion, every culture, every educator, every visionary, every politician, every marketer, every writer, every celebrity seeks to draw you under their spell. To do this you must first be prepared to submit your will to theirs.

When you submit to another you lose your sense of personal identity and your power to be a free man.

I say, we should never ask David to submit to the political serpent in this way.

Let him be a free man. Don't prostitute a sacred faculty.

There are other ways.

Thank you. You put it more eloquently than I could right now. I don't often plead for stuff.. but I would beg DI not to do this, I would say.. look ahead, what are the consequences? we ALL know there's better ways! FFS!

Sorry guys - - it's just my feelings. I really can't understand how you would encourage such a move :confused: DI is worth far more than this surely?

[h2pogo]

Thank you. You put it more eloquently than I could right now. I don't often plead for stuff.. but I would beg DI not to do this, I would say.. look ahead, what are the consequences? we ALL know there's better ways! FFS!

Sorry guys - - it's just my feelings. I really can't understand how you would encourage such a move :confused: DI is worth far more than this surely?

and raptorialis

any better ideas i agree we could do with them.

[kweli]

and raptorialis

any better ideas i agree we could do with them.

Give over! Tell our ideas on a public forum, are you daft? I'm getting a wee bit tired tonight, but PM me tomorrow, and I'll give you my ideas of better options. DI already knows of these options, that's what disturbs me; So I'll say it again and hope that someone listens - DON'T DO IT!!

[ryethorpe]

I have pledged £25 to Icke's proposal to stand in Haltemprice and Howden (so long as he doesn't mention reptiles). It costs £500 to stand as a candidate in a General Election in this country (UK?) and you needn't do anything else - just leave it to the press/media who are about to go apeshit about Icke. They are us, after all. They'll air the issues.

[kweli]

Let me get this right.. not only are the majority of you supporting this move.. but you're willing to pay for it too? I'm fucking well confused now!

Please can someone help and explain what's going on?

[raptorialis]

They think its all about entertainment kweli.

Its a pay per view thing.

They think David is a clown that brightens up their sorry lives.

[steevo]

They think its all about entertainment kweli.

Its a pay per view thing.

They think David is a clown that brightens up their sorry lives.

Go away saddo.

[kweli]

They think its all about entertainment kweli.

Its a pay per view thing.

They think David is a clown that brightens up their sorry lives.

I'm fucking gutted! have lost a lot of faiith tonight, but hey, that's my problem I guess. :confused:

[h2pogo]

Let me get this right.. not only are the majority of you supporting this move.. but you're willing to pay for it too? I'm fucking well confused now!

Please can someone help and explain what's going on?

I think DI like my self have noticed people are half awake.
the opportunity DD has created is a good opportunity to get the issue of our rights and the coming or worsening police state some attention.
maybe he has realized if this is not done this year it might be to late as the EU treaty will make it a lot harder to hold on to our rights and anything is worth a go.
and whats he got to loose any way.

[raptorialis]

I lost my faith a long time ago and when i turned around no one was there to give it back to me.

So i thought - f* em.

I will travel on alone.

I will listen only to my own intuition and to those like minds who can truly see through the illusions created by mankind.

[pduffy4]

i have got to say with all honesty, as a long -time icke reader and general supporter, that THIS IS THE STUPIDEST IDEA I HAVE EVER HEARD.


Sometimes, you have to do what is right; not what your ego tells you to do. For fuck's sake, how in the hell is this going to facilitate the situation??

Why not lend some support to the only politician in living memory (bar galloway, say), that has demonstrated even half a spine, instead of standing against him ???!!!!!

DERRRR!!!!!

Talk about jumping on a fucking bandwagon. Icke would get no traction if he ran, and would serve as perfect SHIT FODDER, for the british press to stir up distraction and hearsay slur tactics, to ensure NOTHING OF ANY CONSEQUENCE GETS SERIOUSLY DISCUSSED OR AIRED ON THE MEDIA.

It does not take a fucking genius to see this. Come on icke, this is not bait. It is a simple fact.

I am actually starting to beleive the very boring "Icke is M15" rumours after hearing about this shit.

I have got a bloody good mind to STOP paying the 3pounds a month i am currently lending my support with, if he's going to do this shit with it.

unbelievable.

David Icke is not running against Davis but in support of him.

[joegum]

Since this is an international forum, is it legal for him to accept financial contributions from us foreigners?

I don't have a lot to give, but I'd give something.


This is a global struggle... A win anywhere helps everywhere.

I trust DI's judgment on this.

[raptorialis]

David Icke is not running against Davis but in support of him.

Great. David Icke needs to support David Davis now. It was the conservatives that were supporting him last week. This week DI?

Great strategy!

[raptorialis]

Since this is an international forum, is it legal for him to accept financial contributions from us foreigners?

I don't have a lot to give, but I'd give something.


This is a global struggle... A win anywhere is a win everywhere.

Why don't you pay for him to suck up against politicians in your country then?

[joegum]

Why don't you pay for him to suck up against politicians in your country then?


Wow raptorialis.. I didn't know this was your decision to make.

If David Icke welcomes off shore donations, I'll make a donation. If not, I won't. Simple!

[kweli]

What about...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv2qLOiioPc

[joegum]

Why don't you pay for him to suck up against politicians in your country then?

Raptorialis, if you had wanted to contribute to the Ron Paul campaign here, I wouldn't have been offended. I'd have been glad.

-Joe

[juddfinn]

By putting himself forward like this, Ickey will wake people up. Simple as that. It don't matter HOW they wake up as long as they do.

This is the KEY... It's an INFOwar after all. I think it has a lot of leverage potential. David is a "known" figure (infamous even), so if he can keep (the media and other interest spotlights) to the agenda (the real AGENDA) then I see this as totally worth the effort... and we should all support him here.

It's one thing to be "preaching to the converted" at the Brixton Academy, to great acclaim, it's another ball game entirely to be out there in the 'real world' 'sticking it to the man'. It gives Ickey the chance to walk-the-talk, and I think he would be fantastic. David said he was into long walks nowadays too! There'll be plenty of streets and door steps to pound up there... imagine that David Icke at your frontdoor talking about ThePowersThatBe!

David Icke isn't afraid of anything they could say or write about him. He will put the stuff we have all been reading and thinking about for all these years into the mainstream (as much as they allow it. But that's where we come in, with Digg, Youtube, writing to the press and making 'broadcast' emails etc... Worldwide? - why not?)... as David says himself, once the information is out there people can't un-hear it.

Planting seeds, I guess. None of this "change we can believe in" nonsense - more like Transformation we can contribute to!

Let's DO IT!:)

[juddfinn]

Magna Carta was written 800years ago ... the decleration of rights was writen 400 years ago. Both laws were brought about by the people to keep tptb in line.

Quite.

If you don't act because you have "considerations" about it all, then NOTHING will shift EVER...

Time to be REAL (and not precious), get into action.

We the People... mad as Hell, and ain't gonna take it any more! :mad:

[orby]

This is a great idea. Now as far as pledging alligence there is no rule against adding words is there? So in the part that you say something like, "and I will support the Queen" you say "and I will support *the notion* the Queen *is a blood drinking blue blood", blah blah. You get the idea.

Then there is question period, I can see it all now. And on the matter before the House, what does the member blah blah blah have to say. So you stand up, well, yes in regards to the budget, I see there are new springs in the vehicle used by the Queen, is that to support the extra weight of her 4th dimension Reptilian body?". I mean, what a great way to raise the issues.

Just a thought. Good luck if you step up.

[Ian2day]

Interesting times. Some good comments coming from those that oppose Icke standing. This is a double edged sword for the info, and for Icke. Icke already has experienced the character assassination, so can handle what they will throw at him I expect. The info he has though could be strawmanned and left to rot in public.

[knightvision]

David Icke has my full support on this matter, and I will donate financially what I can afford to as well.

When I first started reading about this on the headline page I was initially shocked, and thought it was a bad idea: "you can't solve a problem with the same level of intelligence that created it" came to mind, and politics certainly can't, by it's very nature, solve the problems this planet finds itself in.

However, upon reading further it appears Mr. Icke's intentions are not to become a politician, but just to raise the publics level of awareness on issues such as the Big brother state etc.
I think this can only be a good thing ^-^

Yes, he will most probably get ridiculed by the MSM, but he of all people is used to this, and is one of the few who is strong enough, and has the experience to not let it affect him.
If, the ultimate result of him doing this, is for more people to start "waking up" (I say waking up, as I do not believe anyone is truly awake at this point in time) then it is worth the ridicule. People who hear of his campaign would look into his work further, and then learn about deeper subjects, such as the nature of reality, and how our history has been manipulated. Even people who hear, but dismiss everything he says can't unhear what they will have heard/read, and that will plant seeds which have the potential to grow in the future. Some of those people may go on to become some of our strongest speakers/researchers seeing as how fate is such an unpredictable thing (^_~)

Having read most of David's books, I am sure he wont think too much about, and certainly not fear any negative consequences that may arise from this path, as he has stated many times that he doesn't let fear guide him in his decision making, and relies more on intuition (Something I am working on myself!).

There needs to be constant progression on getting the suppressed information out there (especially important at this point in time, as time is speeding up, and it feels like we are nearing some sort of conclusion) and it looks like this could possibly be the next big step for David Icke on this progressive path i.e.: awakening > becoming a speaker and writing books > being the first major source of 9/11 info > getting taken much more seriously, selling out Brixton academy, speaking in many different countries > standing for parliament, with no intention of actually getting in, just to get more people aware, and waking up. Seems like a good move to me!

Once again, as soon as the donation page is up, I will be donating (^_^)

[basil]

Helloooooo!!! Time to wake up....

Do you really Think for one minute that David Davies resigned of his own accord? You need to remember that what the government pays for it gets. This has all been planned for a long time. Mr. Davies will have been made well aware of what the plan is (Or thinks he has) believe me.

The Labour Party of Tony Blair and current Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, have announced that they won’t be standing against him. The Liberals say they are doing this because they support his stand and the Labour Party say they won’t put up a candidate because the election is 'a farce’.

What they are saying is that it's a waste of time effort and MONEY because the agenda has been set.

Ickey says : I will stand IF there is enough physical and financial support to do a professional job. Otherwise there is no point. The maximum any candidate can spend on the three to four weeks campaigning is £100,000 and David Davis will be spending at least the best part of that.

Ask yourself this, Where has Mr. Davies` money come from? remember, the government will get what it has ordered. Also ask yourself this: Why would this geezer want to jeopardise his handsome salary and all the other fringe benefits that come with being a professional liar....Yes liars each and every one of the mind controlled idiots.

Don't do it Ickey you have come too far to mess it all up now. I am sure that most of you who are reading this have watched "David Icke Was He Right" and seen the antics of the likes of Richard Warman and co. Well that is just childs play compared to what these bastards would have planned for this sham election

Before you ask me "Well what's the answer then mate" I will tell you honestly that I don't know YET! But I do know that it will not come through any political, religious, educational or financial institutions' Oh and have we all forgot "INFINITE LOVE IS THE ONLY TRUTH EVERYTHING ELSE IS ILLUSION"

[swordofjustice]

Thought I'd let you folks get on with it for a little while before posting again.

Two issues I have with what I've seen here. First, most of you seem to have no concept of how difficult it will be to get the media to give David Icke airtime on this.

If and when they do, they will selectively pick from the comments he makes, to engineer it to look like he is saying what he actually isn't! The big messages will be sidelined by a steer towards the more, shall we say, 'revolutionary' ideas that we here can only accept because we have walked the required path of enlightenment beforehand.

So, the second issue is this: what soundbites can David Icke say that will hit home and make the unenlightened stop in their tracks and ponder?

Each one has to be less than six seconds. Or less than 20 words, if that. This is all the time you'll get on radio and TV, or in black and white in the local papers.

For instance, how can you address the fact that two thirds of the UK population think 42 days' detention without charge is a good idea? What would make them change their minds.

Like I said, in 20 words or less. Not a flamin' paragraph and a half. Short, pithy, to the point. Soundbites.

Then do that for every aspect of the "Big Brother" banner that David Icke's candidacy is about.

What you will have then is a manifesto. Should fill one side of an A5 leaflet in big, friendly letters.

At which point we've developed the ammunition for Mr Icke to use to achieve the objectives of his campaign.

And that, dear friends, is GAME ON !

[dave2012]

David Icke is not running against Davis but in support of him.

quite. now try explaining that paradoxical position to a hostile media that will shit you out on toast for breakfast.

it seems to me icke is running round like headless chicken, activating the same old neural network holding patterns that he's been promoting for years now, only having crunched up a few gears suddenly, in the mistaken belief that this will help.

why doesn't he just accept the fact that he cannot beat them at their game, and so should calmly and spiritually get on with what he does best, ie. plodding on with the dot connecting.

at least you can do that on your own terms. what will be will be.

[frankanne]

...David Icke's neck has always been on the line so how is this any different ? Turkey shoot WTF, that is something they would love to do to us no doubt but YOU can live in fear of it if YOU want. I dont think Ickey will be fearing it. Some things are worth "fighting" for and ridicule is one of the weapons that they use to frighten into not standing up or speaking out. If we ALL stood up like Icke does with courage, we would not be in this mess that we are in now.

Like Icke says sometimes, we have been taught that the nail that has it's head up is the first one to get hit with the hammer. This mentality is what keeps us from speaking out.

Well said Steevo! My thoughts exactly. David Icke has never shied away from speaking out and he certainly has never let death threats etc. shut him up, so I can't understand what people are worried about.

David has always wanted to shout from the rooftops to get his voice heard. And when his voice is heard - rather than the media twisting it - then people listen. The bigger the platform for David that better in my view.

So, I'm willing and able to help in any way I can. Finances are below the breadline at the moment - what else is new? But like I said in an earlier post, I'm willing to give time and energy in any way that could help in this.

Thanks steevo for putting into words what a lot of people are thinking and feeling. You're a true cheerleader.

[frankanne]

I feel sad that I'm not allowed freedom of speech on this issue. So, I'm gonna bow out of this one now because I know for sure that my true opinions aint welcome in this place.



Perhaps even the 'rabbit hole' is PSY- OPS!!!! :eek:

Hi kweli. I'd be interested to hear why you think this is a bad idea.

[frankanne]

Thought I'd let you folks get on with it for a little while before posting again.

Two issues I have with what I've seen here. First, most of you seem to have no concept of how difficult it will be to get the media to give David Icke airtime on this.

If and when they do, they will selectively pick from the comments he makes, to engineer it to look like he is saying what he actually isn't! The big messages will be sidelined by a steer towards the more, shall we say, 'revolutionary' ideas that we here can only accept because we have walked the required path of enlightenment beforehand.

So, the second issue is this: what soundbites can David Icke say that will hit home and make the unenlightened stop in their tracks and ponder?

Each one has to be less than six seconds. Or less than 20 words, if that. This is all the time you'll get on radio and TV, or in black and white in the local papers.

For instance, how can you address the fact that two thirds of the UK population think 42 days' detention without charge is a good idea? What would make them change their minds.

Like I said, in 20 words or less. Not a flamin' paragraph and a half. Short, pithy, to the point. Soundbites.

Then do that for every aspect of the "Big Brother" banner that David Icke's candidacy is about.

What you will have then is a manifesto. Should fill one side of an A5 leaflet in big, friendly letters.

At which point we've developed the ammunition for Mr Icke to use to achieve the objectives of his campaign.

And that, dear friends, is GAME ON !

ooooh like it! This is just off the top of my head type jokey thing, OK? Don't take it too seriously, but any input, gladly appreciated:

They suck dry the motorist

penalise the peddlebin owner

lock up the council tax rebels

demonised the muslim

fingerprint and tag your child in school

lock ANYONE up on ANY 'suspicion' without charge or trial for 42 days.

It could happen/is happening to YOU.

Time to PROTEST at these gestapo like tactics.

[largejack]

I think this piece of prose could be useful:

"First they came…" is a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

[duckingdafta]

I think this piece of prose could be useful:

"First they came…" is a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


inspiring...but what was he?.:D

[private_eye]

"The world is in desperate need of rebels" (David Icke said that)

I disagree Basil,

and swordofjustice, i agree with your political advice!

HELLO EVERYBODY NOT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE 642 MPS ARE LIZARDS

David Davis is not part of any 'agenda' as far as the evidence takes us, he is resisting this continual swelling of the state.

Every single person here should support what David is doing, in my opinion. Those who don't only seem to because they tar parliament with this brush of being a lizard incubator for fascists. Quite the opposite. It is an almagamation of career men and campaigners - those in touch with the 'agenda' are high on the scale - top of government, banks, and beyond.

I will support David in any possible way I can.

[siliconpsychosis]

I have no doubt Mr Icke has thought this through, and is aware of the way the media may 'twist' his words. He must be thinking that the pros outweigh the cons. And what are the pros? If he manages to awaken just a few then surely its worth it? And what if he has a far bigger impact on far more people? Domino effect. Perhaps this is what Icke's been (unknowingly) leading towards all along. We soon shall see.

[beldazar]

I find this thread absolutely fascinating!
It seems as if its a really good idea or a devastating idea!
But isnt this what its all about? Its a choice between love and fear at the end of the day.
I admit I know nothing about politics (which Im very glad of) but you only have to watch ten minutes of the house of commons to see that they are all a bunch of muppets anyway.
Yes I agree that if it goes 'tits up' David stands a lot to lose....but WE ARE STILL HERE! There is still US and lots more conspiracy researchers out there.
We need to have faith in US for a start!

I know that there are many people waking up but not enough from where Im standing. David will be mingling with others that especially need to hear whats going on and from what Ive heard so far, David is an incredible speaker :)

[steevo]

I find this thread absolutely fascinating!
It seems as if its a really good idea or a devastating idea!
But isnt this what its all about? Its a choice between love and fear at the end of the day.
I admit I know nothing about politics (which Im very glad of) but you only have to watch ten minutes of the house of commons to see that they are all a bunch of muppets anyway.
Yes I agree that if it goes 'tits up' David stands a lot to lose....but WE ARE STILL HERE! There is still US and lots more conspiracy researchers out there.
We need to have faith in US for a start!

I know that there are many people waking up but not enough from where Im standing. David will be mingling with others that especially need to hear whats going on and from what Ive heard so far, David is an incredible speaker :)

Hi beldazar, your post reminds me of this EXTREMELY uplifting video. Watch it right to the end if you want some inspiration (I know that I ALWAYS post this video but I think it's FANTASTIC :o) :

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l7KHUbuhgpQ

[frankanne]

I find this thread absolutely fascinating!
It seems as if its a really good idea or a devastating idea!
But isnt this what its all about? Its a choice between love and fear at the end of the day.
I admit I know nothing about politics (which Im very glad of) but you only have to watch ten minutes of the house of commons to see that they are all a bunch of muppets anyway.
Yes I agree that if it goes 'tits up' David stands a lot to lose....but WE ARE STILL HERE! There is still US and lots more conspiracy researchers out there.
We need to have faith in US for a start!

I know that there are many people waking up but not enough from where Im standing. David will be mingling with others that especially need to hear whats going on and from what Ive heard so far, David is an incredible speaker :)

Incredible speaker yes. So what are we worried about? I can't make it out. David has said for so long that he wants to spread his facts from the rooftops. Now's the time.

I can understand people saying that politics is a cesspit, but it is only a cesspit because those with truth have been drummed out and intimidated and scared off. Well, David ain't gonna be scared off, is he? Politics is only a cesspit because the only ones there are the bullshitters and the liers and the manipulators. But WHAT HAPPENS, when an honest person gets on the platform? What happens then? Politics becomes something that we've never experienced.

So, I say go for it. I'll back you David in any way I can. If I can give money, then I will. If I can give time and effort, then I will. I'll back you all the way to get politics out in the OPEN. Let the light shine. That's what I say.

[siliconpsychosis]

Here here, Beldezar. I like your optimism.

I agree what you say about the divide in views as to whether people think this is a good idea.

Personally I doubt much bad can happen to Icke.

Those that already think Icke is a loony are not likely to think he's any more loony just by standing in an election. Whereas some people might listen and think, change their opinion of him and take on board what he says, starting with the Big Brother stuff (which is really easy to see and believe)

As for the neutrals, they are sure to take note of what he is saying.

Ps. I speak to loads of people who are not into conspiracies whatsoever, and I am finding more and more people actually open to the idea that the aliens are already here, without even seeing any evidence. They simply look at the sheer state of the world and the way the rulers screw everything up and think they may well be aliens. On that basis even Icke's reptilian concept will likely resonate with many people. It doesnt take a lot to believe that aliens run the show. I would say the opposite, that its harder to believe planet earth is in the state its in WITHOUT alien intervention.

[matthew84]

I remember watching Icke on Wogan all those years ago. The humiliation he recieved at the hands of the BBC, the audience and Wogan himself made me respect David and I think set me on the long path of being woken up.

What I see now is that many ordinary people are just beginning to see what is happening and they are sniffing a change in the air. Icke's message may not now fall on deaf ears.

But even if it does, what we cannot know is how many people will start to view the world slightly differently?

There is a groundswell of people who are ready to hear a different message.

[basil]

"The world is in desperate need of rebels" (David Icke said that)

I disagree Basil,

and swordofjustice, i agree with your political advice!

HELLO EVERYBODY NOT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE 642 MPS ARE LIZARDS

David Davis is not part of any 'agenda' as far as the evidence takes us, he is resisting this continual swelling of the state.

Every single person here should support what David is doing, in my opinion. Those who don't only seem to because they tar parliament with this brush of being a lizard incubator for fascists. Quite the opposite. It is an almagamation of career men and campaigners - those in touch with the 'agenda' are high on the scale - top of government, banks, and beyond.

I will support David in any possible way I can.

"My time in the Green party showed me politics from the inside and how it is a game of power not principle, no matter what the name on the door may be. I saw how many politicians who opposed and condemned each other in public `debate` were very much closer in private"

David Icke - Tales from the Timeloop Chapter one page seven The `politician`

[steevo]

Well said Steevo! My thoughts exactly. David Icke has never shied away from speaking out and he certainly has never let death threats etc. shut him up, so I can't understand what people are worried about.

David has always wanted to shout from the rooftops to get his voice heard. And when his voice is heard - rather than the media twisting it - then people listen. The bigger the platform for David that better in my view.

So, I'm willing and able to help in any way I can. Finances are below the breadline at the moment - what else is new? But like I said in an earlier post, I'm willing to give time and energy in any way that could help in this.

Thanks steevo for putting into words what a lot of people are thinking and feeling. You're a true cheerleader.

:D:D Thanks frankanne I will take that as a compliment hee hee :D lol

[raptorialis]

Again, those who are supporting David to stand with David Davis - are totally misinformed.

Standing side by side with politicians is really like saying - "We stand side by side with the current bougeosie establishment."

When the truth is... David Icke does not. Do you honestly think they will give David a voice. They will manipulate the context of what is said.

Do you honestly think David Davis has suddenly had a rush of compassion, sufficient to stand against the establishment. No. Had he won the tory leadership he would not be standing in this way. This is simply an opportunist move by him and one that the tory leadership has secretly ensorsed.

The messages this will send out will be at best confusing to the general public and at worst play right into the hands of those who have set this whole thing up.

Its a black hat trap. You support it if you want. But you will see nothing at all good will come from it.

There are better ways of getting the message out, than disgracing DI in public. Stop the self-abuse David. It doesn't wash anymore.

Get rid of the wooly, hippy, beaten-up look and start looking like a serious player.

The people need someone to believe in. Not just the select few.

[geronimo]

Blimey Charlie's right!!! :eek:

Go David....do what you feel is right!!! :D

you'll have my support...

geronimo

[geronimo]

I'm with you Dave2012.

This is one big ambush where they put all the angry and outspoken and outcasts in one place with one agenda and then they smash them to
pieces - along with the case against 42 days detention.

Its an ambush.

David Davis is playing the softer, less wild persona of David Icke - only difference is DD doesn't give a toss for the peoples freedoms. He is just playing a political game. Thats what politicians do right!

Its so easy for people to sit back and say "go Dave, you have my support".

But the reality is - he does not have their support!

But he does have mine, raptorialis.

geronimo

[raptorialis]

But he does have mine, raptorialis.

geronimo

That doesn't mean that your position is right. It just means it is your position. I say, like a few others, that it is a mistake and that people supporting it - are just doing so without careful thought of the consequences.

Its always easy to say.....
well in for a penny ... in for a pound
better to do something than nothing
what have we got to lose etc etc

But the truth is - this is an ambush! - where the only people standing are fringe players, fanatics and a (seeming) renegade politician. Why else do you think the main parties have chosen not to stand. This is a way of discrediting the case against 42 days detention, by discrediting the people who are seemingly standing against it. Once DD has had his day and 42 days goes through - he will be welcomed back into the fold. Everyone else will be consigned to bin marked "suckers".

[geronimo]

Hi kweli. I'd be interested to hear why you think this is a bad idea.

I think it's a great idea. Just look at the idiots and liars that pass for MPs and politicians now - Whether David gets anywhere is not the point - the fact that he is prepared to try is the point - can he possibly do any any worse than the gutless morons and bootlickers currently in charge? I seriously doubt it, and he would draw attention to real issues, not the fake issues we're constantly drowned in.
Mervyn Peake, artist and visionary, once said that it's the journey that counts, not the goal - he was talking about the creative act, and it applies here. David has courage, integrity, and intelligence, three qualities totally absent in today's corrupt, insincere politicians. Why shouldn't he try? He'll have my support.

geronimo

[raptorialis]

I think it's a great idea. Just look at the idiots and liars that pass for MPs and politicians now - Whether David gets anywhere is not the point - the fact that he is prepared to try is the point - can he possibly do any any worse than the gutless morons and bootlickers currently in charge? I seriously doubt it, and he would draw attention to real issues, not the fake issues we're constantly drowned in.
Mervyn Peake, artist and visionary, once said that it's the journey that counts, not the goal - he was talking about the creative act, and it applies here. David has courage, integrity, and intelligence, three qualities totally absent in today's corrupt, insincere politicians. Why shouldn't he try? He'll have my support.

geronimo

Yes, perhaps he could learn to fly in the meantime as well. But that doesn't mean he should do it. I believe the YES lobby are naive. They clearly don't understand how politicians think. It is all about "more power" to them and that is a very different game than the one most of us play each day. You have to have to weigh your opinion against the political backdrop.

It seems most people don't have the knowledge of that. How would they.... have they ever worked there before?

Are they really quailified to back David in this campaign?

[steevo]

Yes, perhaps he could learn to fly in the meantime as well. But that doesn't mean he should do it. I believe the YES lobby are naive. They clearly don't understand how politicians think. It is all about "more power" to them and that is a very different game than the one most of us play each day. You have to have to weigh your opinion against the political backdrop.

It seems most people don't have the knowledge of that. How would they.... have they ever worked there before?

Are they really quailified to back David in this campaign?

Why are you so frightened about David Icke standing ? HE has the RIGHT to stand whether YOU or the "powers that be" like it or not. Maybe more of us should be standing in our constituencies. We could certainly wake EVERYBODY up then.

[raptorialis]

Why are you so frightened about David Icke standing ? HE has the RIGHT to stand whether YOU or the "powers that be" like it or not. Maybe more of us should be standing in our constituencies. We could certainly wake EVERYBODY up then.

We're talking about bad strategy vs. good strategy.

Fear doesn't come into it.

[siliconpsychosis]

Reply to Raptorialis

quote 'Standing side by side with politicians is really like saying - "We stand side by side with the current bougeosie establishment'''

How is Icke standing side by side with them when he will openly express how corrupt they are?

Quote 'They (the media)will manipulate the context of what Icke says.'

Sure they will, but some people will actually hear him and read his campaign accurately. Plus people often have misrepresented ideas about Icke anyway, so whats the difference?'

Quote 'Do you honestly think David Davis has suddenly had a rush of compassion'

Of course not, David is a selfish, drone politician. Icke knows that too and has said so and will express this during the by election.

Quote 'The messages this will send out will be at best confusing to the general public'

Give the public some credit. If Icke expresses his views clearly I am sure the public will understand his message. They know it in their hearts already, and often voice it too.

Quote 'you will see nothing at all good will come from it.'

Not even a tinsy winsy little bit of good? Surely not?

Quote 'There are better ways of getting the message out, than disgracing DI in public'

Any suggestions, besides he is getting the message out already and the by election is merely another means to do so.

Quote 'The people need someone to believe in. Not just the select few'

The select few meaning tens of thousands in England who agree with Icke directly, millions that agree with his views indirectly and tens of millions who recognise the politicians are leading the country and the world toward oblivion.'

[steevo]

We're talking about bad strategy vs. good strategy.

Fear doesn't come into it.

Well why dont YOU do something to wake the people up, because you seem to know what and how the best way to do it. What are YOU doing to wake people up raptorialis ? Anything at all ? You dont seem to want them to awaken.

[steevo]

Reply to Raptorialis

quote 'Standing side by side with politicians is really like saying - "We stand side by side with the current bougeosie establishment'''

How is Icke standing side by side with them when he will openly express how corrupt they are?

Quote 'They (the media)will manipulate the context of what Icke says.'

Sure they will, but some people will actually hear him and read his campaign accurately. Plus people often have misrepresented ideas about Icke anyway, so whats the difference?'

Quote 'Do you honestly think David Davis has suddenly had a rush of compassion'

Of course not, David is a selfish, drone politician. Icke knows that too and has said so and will express this during the by election.

Quote 'The messages this will send out will be at best confusing to the general public'

Give the public some credit. If Icke expresses his views clearly I am sure the public will understand his message. They know it in their hearts already, and often voice it too.

Quote 'you will see nothing at all good will come from it.'

Not even a tinsy winsy little bit of good? Surely not?

Quote 'There are better ways of getting the message out, than disgracing DI in public'

Any suggestions, besides he is getting the message out already and the by election is merely another means to do so.

Quote 'The people need someone to believe in. Not just the select few'

The select few meaning tens of thousands in England who agree with Icke directly, millions that agree with his views indirectly and tens of millions who recognise the politicians are leading the country and the world toward oblivion.'

Thanks for explaining that to him siliconpsychosis because Raptorialis DOES seem to be a little confused on where David Icke stands in all this.

Quote by Raptorialis 'There are better ways of getting the message out, than disgracing DI in public'

You are showing that FEAR is coming into the equation with what you are saying Raptorialis, the fear of ridicule. David Icke isnt scared of ridicule and neither should you be or any of us.

[raptorialis]

Thanks for explaining that to him siliconpsychosis because Raptorialis DOES seem to be a little confused on where David Icke stands in all this.



You are showing that FEAR is coming into the equation with what you are saying Raptorialis, the fear of ridicule. David Icke isnt scared of ridicule and neither should you be or any of us.

I try to protect David Icke, so i don't want him walking into any obvious traps. He knows what this is.... he was at the BBC. He knows how it works.

To win the hearts and minds, you need more than a gung ho spirit and a pea shooter. You need believable leadership and you will not get that by playing into the hands of a political ambush.

ps. watch the 42 days detention act unfold before your very eyes. Just like magic!

[frankanne]

[QUOTE=raptorialis;394020]Again, those who are supporting David to stand with David Davis - are totally misinformed.

Standing side by side with politicians is really like saying - "We stand side by side with the current bougeosie establishment."
------------------
The point I want to make is this. Politics in itself is not bad. neither is the sun, nor the moon, nor the earth nor its energies.

Just because these have been hijacked by the 'elite' doesn't make them bad. ~The sun is not bad, even though the elite have hijacked it's energies. The moon is not bad even though the elite have hijacked its energies. The earth is not bad. people are not bad just because the elite have hijacked our energies.

Let's take back our rights. Let's live our lives. Let's live our lives in freedom and in joy in the knowledge that we are free to be and to create and to form and to be .............. be it in politics, which is a good thing when it is done rightly, a good thing. No need to fear and to think bad things about it. Politics has been hijacked. So LET'S TAKE IT BACK. Back to where it belongs. WITH THE PEOPLE.

[steevo]

I try to protect David Icke, so i don't want him walking into any obvious traps. He knows what this is.... he was at the BBC. He knows how it works.

To win the hearts and minds, you need more than a gung ho spirit and a pea shooter. You need believable leadership and you will not get that by playing into the hands of a political ambush.

ps. watch the 42 days detention act unfold before your very eyes. Just like magic!

I asked what YOU are doing to wake people up and you havent replied. That speaks volumes.

You say you "try to protect David Icke". Why ? Does he want your protection raptorialis ? I dont think so. You "try to protect David Icke" ? :confused: :-

Originally Posted by raptorialis 23 January 2008

What tools does David Icke give you to fight fear and injustice?

None. Apart from books and advertisments and tickets at the door?

He fuels and channels your anger, your enlightment and your disalussionment.

But what in practice can you do about it?

He offers you nothing but words.

Source (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18370&page=2)

[raptorialis]

[QUOTE=raptorialis;394020]Again, those who are supporting David to stand with David Davis - are totally misinformed.

Standing side by side with politicians is really like saying - "We stand side by side with the current bougeosie establishment."
------------------
The point I want to make is this. Politics in itself is not bad. neither is the sun, nor the moon, nor the earth nor its energies.

Just because these have been hijacked by the 'elite' doesn't make them bad. ~The sun is not bad, even though the elite have hijacked it's energies. The moon is not bad even though the elite have hijacked its energies. The earth is not bad. people are not bad just because the elite have hijacked our energies.

Let's take back our rights. Let's live our lives. Let's live our lives in freedom and in joy in the knowledge that we are free to be and to create and to form and to be .............. be it in politics, which is a good thing when it is done rightly, a good thing. No need to fear and to think bad things about it. Politics has been hijacked. So LET'S TAKE IT BACK. Back to where it belongs. WITH THE PEOPLE.

excellent sentiment.

What you guys don't realise is that this is a strategy to discredit the case against 42 days. Not the other way around.

It is a typical good cop, bad cop move. They want to create an image that the true representatives of our freedoms are people like David Davis and David Icke. Then they are going to smash them to bits in the press, thereby discrediting the case against 42 days - in the eyes of the public.

And believe me..... the public will buy it... lock, stock and barrel. Just read the Sun and watch peoples minds change.

Where are organisations like Liberty in all this? Hiding behind the parliament building know doubt.

[raptorialis]

I asked what YOU are doing to wake people up and you havent replied. That speaks volumes.

You say you "try to protect David Icke". Why ? Does he want your protection raptorialis ? I dont think so. You "try to protect David Icke" ? :confused: :-



Source (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18370&page=2)

thats what i do steevo. I protect people from the system. Especially people who are true and good. But i don't always agree with their strategies.

Keep reading the books and going around in circles if you like.

[frankanne]

I
To win the hearts and minds, you need more than a gung ho spirit and a pea shooter. c!

No. You don't. You don't need more than a true spirit and belief in truth and honesty. because truth and honesty cannot be beat. you don't need more than that raptorialis. That's all we need and that's all we've got. and that's all we need. we've won the battle already. As you already know.

The truth cannot be hidden for ever. Now is the time for it to become known. Let the light shine!!!!!!!!

[raptorialis]

No. You don't. You don't need more than a true spirit and belief in truth and honesty. because truth and honesty cannot be beat. you don't need more than that raptorialis. That's all we need and that's all we've got. and that's all we need. we've won the battle already. As you already know.

The truth cannot be hidden for ever. Now is the time for it to become known. Let the light shine!!!!!!!!

Move, but don't do deals by traveling on with the devil. Or worst still a wolf in sheeps clothing.

If you stand for the truth. Stand, but stand on your own platform. Not with that of a wolf in sheeps clothing - on a stage carefully prepared by politicians.

[steevo]

thats what i do steevo. I protect people from the system. Especially people who are true and good. But i don't always agree with their strategies.



I 've heard it all now :D

Regarding the 42 days thing, I think that most of us are ALREADY AWARE that there is an agenda to rubbish David Davis' stance against the "42 days detention without charge", that goes without saying. They may even carry out a flase flag attack to get their point across, who knows. BUT during it all David Icke will be there (if he decides to stand) to explain how "false flag terrorism" works etc IF NEEDS BE.

If something DID "happen" to David Icke as you seem to think it might, are you planning to say "I told you so" ? Icke does what he feels is right and if you or the "powers that be" want to silence him then there will be tons of us who will make sure his message is passed on.

[steevo]

Move, but don't do deals by traveling on with the devil. Or worst still a wolf in sheeps clothing.

If you stand for the truth. Stand, but stand on your own platform. Not with that of a wolf in sheeps clothing - on a stage carefully prepared by politicians.

Why do you keep repeating that same line ? A few people have already explained what Icke has said about that so why are you saying it again. Are you here to waste our time or what ?

[raptorialis]

I 've heard it all now :D

Regarding the 42 days thing, I think that most of us are ALREADY AWARE that there is an agenda to rubbish David Davis' stance against the "42 days detention without charge", that goes without saying. They may even carry out a flase flag attack to get their point across, who knows. BUT during it all David Icke will be there (if he decides to stand) to explain how "false flag terrorism" works etc IF NEEDS BE.

If something DID "happen" to David Icke as you seem to think it might, are you planning to say "I told you so" ? Icke does what he feels is right and if you or the "powers that be" want to silence him then there will be tons of us who will make sure his message is passed on.

We must encourage credible, sustainable opposition and this can only be achieved through effective strategies, political intelligence and reputable leadership. The people will be pushed further into the dirt whilst the court jester dances to the tune of the reptilians fancy.

[frankanne]

Raptoralis. What you don't seem to realise is that the truth is more powerful than lies and deceit.

You seem to think that lies and deceipt have won. You are so wrong.

The truth is there in all its glory and it may be hidden by the chemtrails and the fluoride and the aspatame and the vacines, BUT...........the truth is there. It is there and nothing can hide it for ever. It's there. end of. Don't you get it yet?

[frankanne]

Move, but don't do deals by traveling on with the devil. Or worst still a wolf in sheeps clothing.

If you stand for the truth. Stand, but stand on your own platform. Not with that of a wolf in sheeps clothing - on a stage carefully prepared by politicians.

But thetruth is the truth, no matter where it speaks. If the truth spoke in a cesspit, then it would be the truth. If the light shone in a dungeon then it would shine. No need to block out the light of truth. so let the truth come out, let it shine, let it BE. You can't stop it. No one can. So let's give it all the support we can,

[equinox]

i don't know anything about politics, but i do know that if you follow intuition, then things will work out for the best, even if the guidance seems crazy and logic contradicts it. the 'higher mind' always knows best, as it can see the bigger picture, logic only has the facts, assumptions, and past experience to to guide it.:)

[raptorialis]

Raptoralis. What you don't seem to realise is that the truth is more powerful than lies and deceit.

You seem to think that lies and deceipt have won. You are so wrong.

The truth is there in all its glory and it may be hidden by the chemtrails and the fluoride and the aspatame and the vacines, BUT...........the truth is there. It is there and nothing can hide it for ever. It's there. end of. Don't you get it yet?

Yeh.... the truth in all its glory.

Tell it to the millions who are murdered every year.

Tell them about the truth in all its glory.

You talk truth whilst the political landscape is changed before the peoples eyes. Whilst the people we vote in, blatantly laugh if their face, whilst they tinker behind the scenes - with the machinery.

This is not a fantasy.... This is reality.... Why don't you all wake up and really smell the s***.

[steevo]

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/June%202008%202/brixton_2008king.jpg

[raptorialis]

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/June%202008%202/brixton_2008king.jpg

then they shoot you.

[steevo]

then they shoot you.

Like I said it's all about fear with you isnt it raptorialis :cool:

[raptorialis]

Like I said it's all about fear with you isnt it raptorialis :cool:

Call it fear, my friend. I call it rage.

How can there be anything else in a world where their is still poverty, still corruption, still murder, still injustice, still fear, ignorance and oppression.

Sure, i can switch into the "we are one" mode (its all an illusion) - so what does it all matter - yaady daady da.

But it kind of changes your perspective when you watch and hear the screams of those who cannot afford such convenient truths.

Escapism and false fear are luxuries of the unterrified.

[paolo]

Hi - make a pre-vote here
http://westyorkshiretruth.aceboard.com/forum2.php?login=225988&rub=6438&cat=7158
All power to David's move . There are hundreds of people all over the North just waiting his lead

[ryethorpe]

Hi beldazar, your post reminds me of this EXTREMELY uplifting video. Watch it right to the end if you want some inspiration (I know that I ALWAYS post this video but I think it's FANTASTIC :o) :

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l7KHUbuhgpQ

Inspiring video, thanks for posting.

I suspect Icke won't stand in Haltemprice and Howden, for organisational reasons, but the mainstream commentariat (Guido Fawkes and so on) have been alerted to the possibility and new synaptic connections have been made in the sick as shit group mind, jus wish he'd cool it about the reptiles, , , , , , , , , , , , , ,


maybe

Friday Caption Contest

http://www.order-order.com/

See first entry

[siliconpsychosis]

Ive just found the quote below on a blog below dated June 12th

blog.lepontrieux.com

'Watching David Davis making his statement I was instantly transported back to the eighties and Wogan. I was open mouthed then watching another David begin a very public nervous breakdown. Thankfully unlike with David Icke, David Davis hasn’t started accusing senior government figures of being lizards – not yet.'

Almost prophetic.

[Ian2day]

If you google the constituancy name of Haltemprice and Howden it returns a link which explains that David Davies says

"The name of my constituency is Haltemprice and Howden – [which] is derived from a medieval proverb meaning noble endeavour."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-haltemprice-and-howden-declaration-846222.html

Was some invasion of Iraq or Kuwait not called noble endeavour? We know how the elite like their secret meanings. Or was it in that Tom Clancy film the sum of all fears? I feel its important to cross reference two different threads here.
http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28759

[sukyspook]

Initially I thought David should stand....and then, my own experience of 'politics' in this country kicked in.

I'll keep it brief but thought I should offer you my experience of 'the political system' in the UK.

1 - democracy is a lie.....the lie of war where 'we' invade another country to deliver 'democracy', contrasting at home with 'no' meaning 'yes' in the Irish referendum.

2 - In 2004 I became a 'ppc' - prospective parliamentary candidate for UKIP. Following the EU elections that year when UKIP had so many MEP's elected, we the party workers in the East Mids believed we could use the wave of success to stand in two by-elections....the ukip ptb had other ideas.
I walked away to Veritas....that was even more of a disaster and a complete waste of my time - again.
I BELIEVE THAT VERITAS WAS A 'SET UP' FROM THE OFF - to split the UKIP vote - maybe the non-standing in the by-elections at ukip was also a set up - stranger things have happened.

3 - 'the system', banking, political, TAXATION, education, corporate, medical/military industrial/pharmaceutical complex is SO corrupt and so materially (as opposed to spiritually based) that IMHO it has to fall. There needs to be a 'new' (I hate that word.....) or should we say 'different'/parallel system set up so that we can all 'step across' from the Maritime Admiralty Law corporate (law of the corpse/dead in spirit) system into a Common Law/Freeman on the Land type system based on 'right thinking'/acting that isn't based upon purely material gain but on true peace, compassion, respect and honesty.

If David IS going to become 'active' in politics again, it should be with the launch of a system based upon no 3 above - a complete replacement 'system' with total withdrawal from the EU and the rebuilding of the UK to it's post-war best when we had abundant fishing; coal; gas; farming/food production; good education (as good as it ever was - but not as good as it could be imho), an iron and steel industry - with its own shipbuilding industry and allied industries - well, you get the picture.

All my life I've been told that progress is going to make life better for all of us......however, what I wasn't told is that a relatively small group of 'people' have been/are still 'steering' humanity into the future they desire for us - without our knowledge and consent - a total lockdown/scientific dictatorship if you will.
You are witnessing their final push for control of the entire planet and everything on it. The codeword for the global takeover is, you guessed it - 'globalization' - so lovingly espoused by tony bliar - the best liar ever in the politics of the world - what an epitaph that'll make.

One more point - my MP is Kenneth Clarke. I am listing all his Bilderberg jaunts which currently total 8.....where's the democracy in that.

It's no coincidence imho that 'democracy' and 'demon' have the same root word.

Another Britain (nay world) is possible - I believe this with all my heart.

So David - unless you are going to launch a completely separate 'parallel' system based upon true human values - don't stand - your standing gives your approval to the continuation of the farce and lie we call 'British politics'.

[raptorialis]

Initially I thought David should stand....and then, my own experience of 'politics' in this country kicked in.

I'll keep it brief but thought I should offer you my experience of 'the political system' in the UK.

1 - democracy is a lie.....the lie of war where 'we' invade another country to deliver 'democracy', contrasting at home with 'no' meaning 'yes' in the Irish referendum.

2 - In 2004 I became a 'ppc' - prospective parliamentary candidate for UKIP. Following the EU elections that year when UKIP had so many MEP's elected, we the party workers in the East Mids believed we could use the wave of success to stand in two by-elections....the ukip ptb had other ideas.
I walked away to Veritas....that was even more of a disaster and a complete waste of my time - again.
I BELIEVE THAT VERITAS WAS A 'SET UP' FROM THE OFF - to split the UKIP vote - maybe the non-standing in the by-elections at ukip was also a set up - stranger things have happened.

3 - 'the system', banking, political, TAXATION, education, corporate, medical/military industrial/pharmaceutical complex is SO corrupt and so materially (as opposed to spiritually based) that IMHO it has to fall. There needs to be a 'new' (I hate that word.....) or should we say 'different'/parallel system set up so that we can all 'step across' from the Maritime Admiralty Law corporate (law of the corpse/dead in spirit) system into a Common Law/Freeman on the Land type system based on 'right thinking'/acting that isn't based upon purely material gain but on true peace, compassion, respect and honesty.

If David IS going to become 'active' in politics again, it should be with the launch of a system based upon no 3 above - a complete replacement 'system' with total withdrawal from the EU and the rebuilding of the UK to it's post-war best when we had abundant fishing; coal; gas; farming/food production; good education (as good as it ever was - but not as good as it could be imho), an iron and steel industry - with its own shipbuilding industry and allied industries - well, you get the picture.

All my life I've been told that progress is going to make life better for all of us......however, what I wasn't told is that a relatively small group of 'people' have been/are still 'steering' humanity into the future they desire for us - without our knowledge and consent - a total lockdown/scientific dictatorship if you will.
You are witnessing their final push for control of the entire planet and everything on it. The codeword for the global takeover is, you guessed it - 'globalization' - so lovingly espoused by tony bliar - the best liar ever in the politics of the world - what an epitaph that'll make.

One more point - my MP is Kenneth Clarke. I am listing all his Bilderberg jaunts which currently total 8.....where's the democracy in that.

It's no coincidence imho that 'democracy' and 'demon' have the same root word.

Another Britain (nay world) is possible - I believe this with all my heart.

So David - unless you are going to launch a completely separate 'parallel' system based upon true human values - don't stand - your standing gives your approval to the continuation of the farce and lie we call 'British politics'.

Its all true sukyspook. You don't fight demons by playing their sugar-coated games.

Unless you are better at playing them, than them of course.

Which of course no one is, because no one is privy to the kind of power, knowledge, influence and wealth that they have.

Playing the DI game where you stand up against the system may seem like a noble strategy, but the truth is he has created his own version of duality with the predators on one side and victims on the other. Predators are always going to win in this game.

The victims scream and shout using their imaginations to gain insight into the sinister patterns at hand - but truth is they can only sit and watch. Trying in vein to wake the world at slumber, they feed the imagination of the monsters at large, turning the world into a mirror image - a self fulfilling prohecy of ugliness.

We are all doomed they shout!!! - And the predators say.... all right then!

How did you say we are doing that evil thing? What a great idea?

[emeraldgreen]

I will be right behind you. Don't have much money but will gladly donate a bit at a time.

More and more people are becoming aware of 'laws' and 'policies' being hammered through despite massive opposition, so I think you will enlighten them as to the reasons behind them. I think you are right that some will 'hear' and others might just laugh with the crowd but silently question, because the truth makes its' own sound.

Best wishes

[duckingdafta]

I know David has a following that is large and does have money ... but when I think of UK alone, this considerably cuts down the actual support in a political sense if he is just a UK political party.... would it be viable and have any lasting effect of just another greenpeace or monster raving loony propaganda party.
If the elite plans are known and part of that is one world government, surely this is going to mean an earthly or global political party.

I still reckon it's dodgy territory and a set up is at hand somewhere...
when I think of all the people who followed J.Max and now are going to wonder if it was worth it as he is giving up through fear... if David suddenly changed his ideology and dropped everything as nothing more than stories for an author, then how many hearts and souls would be destroyed?.. this is just too powerful a tool to get exited over at the moment for me.

[duckingdafta]

I'm just imagining the amount of sour energy the Illuminati will suck out of everyone when they are soul destroyed.

[steevo]

I'm just imagining the amount of sour energy the Illuminati will suck out of everyone when they are soul destroyed.

You cant destroy a soul :p:D

[duckingdafta]

You cant destroy a soul :p:D

I do agree Steevo, I was more meaning sucking the life's energy out of it.. not actual destruction..

[duckingdafta]

I've just read THIS (http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/14054/82/) page in full
As I live in one of the area's in question, what is it that would be needed from people in the area?.. contacts?, photographs?, places to stay in the area...ect.. anything except money [I ain't got any!].

[largejack]

Send an email to the administrator on that page and they should tell you what to do.

[geronimo]

Initially I thought David should stand....and then, my own experience of 'politics' in this country kicked in.

I'll keep it brief but thought I should offer you my experience of 'the political system' in the UK.

1 - democracy is a lie.....the lie of war where 'we' invade another country to deliver 'democracy', contrasting at home with 'no' meaning 'yes' in the Irish referendum.

2 - In 2004 I became a 'ppc' - prospective parliamentary candidate for UKIP. Following the EU elections that year when UKIP had so many MEP's elected, we the party workers in the East Mids believed we could use the wave of success to stand in two by-elections....the ukip ptb had other ideas.
I walked away to Veritas....that was even more of a disaster and a complete waste of my time - again.
I BELIEVE THAT VERITAS WAS A 'SET UP' FROM THE OFF - to split the UKIP vote - maybe the non-standing in the by-elections at ukip was also a set up - stranger things have happened.

3 - 'the system', banking, political, TAXATION, education, corporate, medical/military industrial/pharmaceutical complex is SO corrupt and so materially (as opposed to spiritually based) that IMHO it has to fall. There needs to be a 'new' (I hate that word.....) or should we say 'different'/parallel system set up so that we can all 'step across' from the Maritime Admiralty Law corporate (law of the corpse/dead in spirit) system into a Common Law/Freeman on the Land type system based on 'right thinking'/acting that isn't based upon purely material gain but on true peace, compassion, respect and honesty.

If David IS going to become 'active' in politics again, it should be with the launch of a system based upon no 3 above - a complete replacement 'system' with total withdrawal from the EU and the rebuilding of the UK to it's post-war best when we had abundant fishing; coal; gas; farming/food production; good education (as good as it ever was - but not as good as it could be imho), an iron and steel industry - with its own shipbuilding industry and allied industries - well, you get the picture.

All my life I've been told that progress is going to make life better for all of us......however, what I wasn't told is that a relatively small group of 'people' have been/are still 'steering' humanity into the future they desire for us - without our knowledge and consent - a total lockdown/scientific dictatorship if you will.
You are witnessing their final push for control of the entire planet and everything on it. The codeword for the global takeover is, you guessed it - 'globalization' - so lovingly espoused by tony bliar - the best liar ever in the politics of the world - what an epitaph that'll make.

One more point - my MP is Kenneth Clarke. I am listing all his Bilderberg jaunts which currently total 8.....where's the democracy in that.

It's no coincidence imho that 'democracy' and 'demon' have the same root word.

Another Britain (nay world) is possible - I believe this with all my heart.

So David - unless you are going to launch a completely separate 'parallel' system based upon true human values - don't stand - your standing gives your approval to the continuation of the farce and lie we call 'British politics'.

Initially I thought David should stand....and then, my own experience of 'politics' in this country kicked in.

I'll keep it brief but thought I should offer you my experience of 'the political system' in the UK.

1 - democracy is a lie.....the lie of war where 'we' invade another country to deliver 'democracy', contrasting at home with 'no' meaning 'yes' in the Irish referendum.
-
2 - In 2004 I became a 'ppc' - prospective parliamentary candidate for UKIP. Following the EU elections that year when UKIP had so many MEP's elected, we the party workers in the East Mids believed we could use the wave of success to stand in two by-elections....the ukip ptb had other ideas.
I walked away to Veritas....that was even more of a disaster and a complete waste of my time - again.
I BELIEVE THAT VERITAS WAS A 'SET UP' FROM THE OFF - to split the UKIP vote - maybe the non-standing in the by-elections at ukip was also a set up - stranger things have happened.

3 - 'the system', banking, political, TAXATION, education, corporate, medical/military industrial/pharmaceutical complex is SO corrupt and so materially (as opposed to spiritually based) that IMHO it has to fall. There needs to be a 'new' (I hate that word.....) or should we say 'different'/parallel system set up so that we can all 'step across' from the Maritime Admiralty Law corporate (law of the corpse/dead in spirit) system into a Common Law/Freeman on the Land type system based on 'right thinking'/acting that isn't based upon purely material gain but on true peace, compassion, respect and honesty.

If David IS going to become 'active' in politics again, it should be with the launch of a system based upon no 3 above - a complete replacement 'system' with total withdrawal from the EU and the rebuilding of the UK to it's post-war best when we had abundant fishing; coal; gas; farming/food production; good education (as good as it ever was - but not as good as it could be imho), an iron and steel industry - with its own shipbuilding industry and allied industries - well, you get the picture.

All my life I've been told that progress is going to make life better for all of us......however, what I wasn't told is that a relatively small group of 'people' have been/are still 'steering' humanity into the future they desire for us - without our knowledge and consent - a total lockdown/scientific dictatorship if you will.
You are witnessing their final push for control of the entire planet and everything on it. The codeword for the global takeover is, you guessed it - 'globalization' - so lovingly espoused by tony bliar - the best liar ever in the politics of the world - what an epitaph that'll make.

One more point - my MP is Kenneth Clarke. I am listing all his Bilderberg jaunts which currently total 8.....where's the democracy in that.

It's no coincidence imho that 'democracy' and 'demon' have the same root word.

Another Britain (nay world) is possible - I believe this with all my heart.

So David - unless you are going to launch a completely separate 'parallel' system based upon true human values - don't stand - your standing gives your approval to the continuation of the farce and lie we call 'British politics'.

I agree with everything you've said here, and your experience with Veritas is not surprising.
The question is, how a transformation can be initiated, given the entrenched, deeply corrupt system? There is one argument for trying to work within the system to change it, which, as we have seen, frequently results in the proponent being discredited, if not destroyed. Alternatively, proposing a radical (and much-needed) change in the system can have similar consequences, sort of catch-22?
I'd like to know David's feedback on this. Why would I support him? not because I think he's more politically experienced than anyone else, of course not, but because his presence in the public domain is bound to stimulate the transformation in consciousness which is badly needed right now before any real change can occur.
I can understand how this might be viewed as naive, 'unrealistic' and so on. But can he do any worse than the insincere cretins and liars we currently have on offer? I seriously doubt it.
The case of Ron Paul comes to mind. In so many ways he was so far ahead when it came to elucidating attacks on the constitution, erosion of civil liberties, and so on. But when it came to 911, he refused to go there. He refused to have anything to with the truckload of questions about 911
and simply washed his hands of it - then took a back seat.
Now whether this was for 'political' reasons, because he thought he would loose votes, or whatever, basically, he sold out, toed the line.
Now tell me, do you seriously think David Icke is going to 'sell out' in a similar manner, after the unbelievable hassle he's had to endure so far?
I'd be proud to vote Icke.

geronimo

[duckingdafta]

OK!.. sent my support to cover any work done in or near the Howden area... just hope this helps.

[om_shanti]

the fool card in tarot that is....i say david is doing a COURAGEOUS act. co-creating reality with the intent to EDUCATE people, willing to listen, to his truths and discoveries about BIG BROTHER (which happen to resonate with me and i am grateful for his part in awakening my consciousness)
i say go for it david! jump! what is there to fear really?
having said that, i decided some time ago not to donate money anymore to politicians or potential candidates,....this may seem a contradiction, but this is how it is...

i do not think there is much HEART in the political arena. but if we are all of the same essence...this too can be transformed if there is a willingness to question (this includes the media).

see what unfolds eh
keep an open heart!! one needs to be tuff to endure the negger vibes of those that do not wish us to remember who we are

[geronimo]

Its all true sukyspook. You don't fight demons by playing their sugar-coated games.

Unless you are better at playing them, than them of course.

Which of course no one is, because no one is privy to the kind of power, knowledge, influence and wealth that they have.(quote)

Big Deal. You don't need knowledge, influence and wealth to stand against an evil, corrupt system. Ghandi did quite well with wisdom alone. Yes, they killed him, but what he stood for then is equally right and meaningful today, and the power for change he wielded was the power we all have - still.


Playing the DI game where you stand up against the system may seem like a noble strategy, but the truth is he has created his own version of duality with the predators on one side and victims on the other. Predators are always going to win in this game. (quote)

rubbish.

The victims scream and shout using their imaginations to gain insight into the sinister patterns at hand - but truth is they can only sit and watch. Trying in vein to wake the world at slumber, they feed the imagination of the monsters at large, turning the world into a mirror image - a self fulfilling prohecy of ugliness.

We are all doomed they shout!!! - And the predators say.... all right then!

How did you say we are doing that evil thing? What a great idea?

sounds quite, erm, slithery, your name, raptiorialis...???

geronimo

[geronimo]

I'm just imagining the amount of sour energy the Illuminati will suck out of everyone when they are soul destroyed.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest, mate. They can suck all they like, it's pissing in the wind.

geronimo

[geronimo]

Yeh.... the truth in all its glory.

Tell it to the millions who are murdered every year.

Tell them about the truth in all its glory.

You talk truth whilst the political landscape is changed before the peoples eyes. Whilst the people we vote in, blatantly laugh if their face, whilst they tinker behind the scenes - with the machinery. (quote)


That's all the more reason why they need to be told the truth, repeatedly, in their faces, again and again, until it becomes apparent to them that the truth is unavoidable and lies are unsustainable.

This is not a fantasy.... This is reality.... Why don't you all wake up and really smell the s***.


Yes, it's reality, and we've been sold a fascist's daydream from day one, as you well know. Time for real change, not the fake 'Change' globalist puppet Obama is promising to his swooning, hysterical converts.
The real change, the real revolution is internal, seeing the illusion for what it is. Tell that to the BBC - they desperately need to hear it, since they are adept at peddling lies, and are about to shaft us with another batch of ineptly crafted lies to try and discredit people who want to know the truth about 911 - by using the biggest crank they can find to 'make his case' for the 'conspiracy theorists'. Quite convenient he is a holocaust denier, Hitler apologist, and astrologer.

The techniques are so transparent, so well-worn, and so badly repeated, that I mention it in advance.

geronimo

[duckingdafta]

Doesn't bother me in the slightest, mate. They can suck all they like, it's pissing in the wind.

geronimo

:D I like it!... as an Atheist, I feel the same as I can't believe in all this satan stuff... but I know they do and that's what matters.

[pepsirat]

I say good for him :)

[duckingdafta]

As long as I don't have to wear a badge saying
DavidIckePoliticalParty ofYorks
I'm in!

[raptorialis]

Yes, it's reality, and we've been sold a fascist's daydream from day one, as you well know. Time for real change, not the fake 'Change' globalist puppet Obama is promising to his swooning, hysterical converts.
The real change, the real revolution is internal, seeing the illusion for what it is. Tell that to the BBC - they desperately need to hear it, since they are adept at peddling lies, and are about to shaft us with another batch of ineptly crafted lies to try and discredit people who want to know the truth about 911 - by using the biggest crank they can find to 'make his case' for the 'conspiracy theorists'. Quite convenient he is a holocaust denier, Hitler apologist, and astrologer.

The techniques are so transparent, so well-worn, and so badly repeated, that I mention it in advance.

geronimo


Escapism and false fear are luxuries of the unterrified.

[duckingdafta]

Escapism and false fear are luxuries of the unterrified.

That doesn't actually mean anything other than if your NOT scared, your living with your head in the clouds...which is damn right ridiculous. Where do you get this stuff? Do you have an agenda of making sure people ARE scared?

[raptorialis]

That doesn't actually mean anything other than if your NOT scared, your living with your head in the clouds...which is damn right ridiculous. Where do you get this stuff? Do you have an agenda of making sure people ARE scared?

Why are you scared? Are you scared in the sense that someone is just about to persecute you - or are you just feeling scared because of how you interpret the daily news - or from what you have read in DI's books? Are you rationally scared - or irrationally scared?

[duckingdafta]

Why are you scared?

no .. that's the point, I also don't have my head in the clouds. this is what you implied with you wording

[duckingdafta]

Why are you scared? Are you scared in the sense that someone is just about to persecute you - or are you just feeling scared because of how you interpret the daily news - or from what you have read in DI's books? Are you rationally scared - or irrationally scared?

with the added I just worked out you are true to our name, but if you think you can prey on me as a victim with all the 'outta matrix claptrap shite' you come with you've picked the wrong subject, I truly don't give a toss what you believe how you word it or what you read, i DO have my own agenda.. and your not part of it.get over your ego and find your illusion of disinformation and utter 'old wives tales' crap analogies and just get to reality and not believe you can read all you see... try reading a real book and put the bloody beano away... time to move onto annuals.

[raptorialis]

no .. that's the point, I also don't have my head in the clouds. this is what you implied with you wording

You can only fight the monsters when you are truly scared. Your senses don't work in their presence otherwise. Many people on this site are not scared, i can tell. They like talking about fear and rage but they are not true in this sense.

The people will rise up (awaken) when they are truly scared. Let us hope that this never happens.

Until then, we wait and hope.

[duckingdafta]

You can only fight the monsters when you are truly scared. Your senses don't work in their presence otherwise. Many people on this site are not scared, i can tell. They like talking about fear and rage but they are not true in this sense.

The people will rise up (awaken) when they are truly scared. Let us hope that that this never happens.

Until then, we wait and hope.

I would have thought that as a caring person you would rise and speak your mind so your children don't ever have to become scared. We can't all have the luxury of just ignoring what is really happening in the world and NOT a conspiracy {42 day detention}an actual law and knowledge of it happening with full proof and sit and wait... waiting is over mate.. time is NOW
fear is a concept of the mind, once you face that fear, you become aware of it's dangers and it becomes less scary.. it doesn't go away until you are ready to deal with it... NOW I AM READY>

[raptorialis]

I would have thought that as a caring person you would rise and speak your mind so your children don't ever have to become scared. We can't all have the luxury of just ignoring what is really happening in the world and NOT a conspiracy {42 day detention}an actual law and knowledge of it happening with full proof and sit and wait... waiting is over mate.. time is NOW

You cannot stop the onslaught. The people have already let too much water go under the bridge. We have been taken into false wars and the people have on the whole accepted it.

Everything that is thrown at them, they accept.

We must get through this first wave of onslaught and see what we can do after. In the meantime we all need to be preparing to get strong for that time.

If it does not come, then nothing is lost.

[duckingdafta]

You cannot stop the onslaught. The people have already let too much water go under the bridge. We have been taken into false wars and the people have on the whole accepted it.

Everything that is thrown at them, they accept.

We must get through this first wave of onslaught and see what we can do after. In the meantime we all need to be preparing to get strong for that time.

If it does not come, then nothing is lost.

this kind of sounds like you're the one scared as you don't seem to know what's happening as so many plans are in order at the same time by many..
You cannot be a Fox & a Hedgehog... choose.. you either know a little about many as the fox or a lot about one as the hedgehog. I do realize you cannot infiltrate any organization by becoming part of it, but you can have similar tactical plans with different goals as a separate divide to it as choice for the people and this is all that is offered... pure choice.

[raptorialis]

this kind of sounds like you're the one scared as you don't seem to know what's happening as so many plans are in order at the same time by many..
You cannot be a Fox & a Hedgehog... choose.. you either know a little about many as the fox or a lot about one as the hedgehog. I do realize you cannot infiltrate any organization by becoming part of it, but you can have similar tactical plans with different goals as a separate divide to it as choice for the people and this is all that is offered... pure choice.

The people are discredited. They have laid down and accepted injustice, time and time again. They are submissive. They are divided. They are happy with their small luxuries. They have become fat, de-sensitised to each other and useless.

The bourgeosie have grown stronger at the same time. They despise the people. Those above them despise everyone but their kind.

One need to be both Fox and Hedgehog.

[siliconpsychosis]

Although I see a lot of positive changes in many people, I do agree with Raptorialis that many more people seem almost incapable of waking up. Perhaps they simply have no consciousness and therefore have no desire or ability to comprehend certain things.

If this is true then maybe there is hope in the fact that there aren't actually that many people TO wake up. I recall Icke once wrote that only 30 percent of the worlds population have consciousness. Thats 2 billion, and if 10 percent of them are already awake that leaves 1800 million to go. And 20 percent of them may be on the verge leaving a mere 1,444,000,000 people to wake up.
Easy peezy.

[steevo]

You cannot stop the onslaught. The people have already let too much water go under the bridge. We have been taken into false wars and the people have on the whole accepted it.

Everything that is thrown at them, they accept.

We must get through this first wave of onslaught and see what we can do after. In the meantime we all need to be preparing to get strong for that time.

If it does not come, then nothing is lost.

You seem to be only here to try to CONVINCE and PERSUADE us to accept the situation that the "powers that be" are creating. You are saying dont bother fighting because it's all inevitable anyway, "oh, why dont we all sit down and have a nice hot cup of tea and a biscuit, and everything will be better then. It's all depends on how you look at it, once you ACCEPT it then the problem goes away :)"
:rolleyes::cool:

[raptorialis]

Although I see a lot of positive changes in many people, I do agree with Raptorialis that many more people seem almost incapable of waking up. Perhaps they simply have no consciousness and therefore have no desire or ability to comprehend certain things.

If this is true then maybe there is hope in the fact that there aren't actually that many people TO wake up. I recall Icke once wrote that only 30 percent of the worlds population have consciousness. Thats 2 billion, and if 10 percent of them are already awake that leaves 1800 million to go. And 20 percent of them may be on the verge leaving a mere 1,444,000,000 people to wake up.
Easy peezy.

Those who rage on this website against the illuminati are scared of the worst kind of threat. "Fear of the Stranger". For this fear is the most frightening of all. Conspiracy follows from the mind of those who are on the brink of insanity, caused by fear of the stranger.

Would you prefer to see the dark stranger coming towards you in the alleyway or sense the one drawing closer from behind? Never knowing when and if they will pounce? Never knowing how you will deal with it?

Fear of the stranger is being fueled by governments who shut the people out and who snigger in their faces, whilst they place emphasis on policies that the people have not voted in them for.

"The Matrix concept" is a psychological template to help people rationalise "fear of the stranger". Without it, people would not be able to rationalise their fear. "The Matrix concept" enables us to see the world and the patterns of subversiness much more clearly. Put everything in its place, so to speak. Enables us to deal with it.

"The Matrix concept" is a protective device that prevents you from going mad. I believe DI designed it to stop himself from going mad.

This "psychological template" has been very helpful.

It only works on human beings who have innate sense of fear for dealing with strangers - or strange situations. For this reason it will only ever be accepted by a minority of people in our world.

DI can speak to everyone, but only a few will hear.

[raptorialis]

You seem to be only here to try to CONVINCE and PERSUADE us to accept the situation that the "powers that be" are creating. You are saying dont bother fighting because it's all inevitable anyway, "oh, why dont we all sit down and have a nice hot cup of tea and a biscuit, and everything will be better then. It's all depends on how you look at it, once you ACCEPT it then the problem goes away :)"
:rolleyes::cool:

You are not fighting steevo. You are all sitting down having a nice cup of tea and a biscuit.

[malvern]

Well we should find out if David will stand or not today.
my views are that we most takepart every chance we have or the system will push on without us.... and then they will just do what they want, like Zimbabwe (why does the world stand and watch, is this an experment to see how far governments can go before people of the world do some thing.).

The one's who do nothing, our the one's letting it happen..... Good Luck David ...



freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[steevo]

You are not fighting steevo. You are all sitting down having a nice cup of tea and a biscuit.

No you are wrong. That is what YOU are wanting us to do, sit down with a nice cuppa tea but your tactics wont work Raptor. :)

[steevo]

The one's who do nothing, our the one's letting it happen..... Good Luck David ...



Well said Malvern :)

[duckingdafta]

One need to be both Fox and Hedgehog.

this kind of says to me you have NO UNDERSTANDING of the laws you talk of or psychology and the minds workings as a whole.. you cannot be both, that's the big picture, both want to be one another... man reading/explaining kiddies books shouldn't be this hard.. it's only a short story find it: Isaiah Berlin Tolstoy and History.
Taken From The Hedgehog And The Fox,
Isaiah Berlin's masterpiece of empathetic insight

The fox knows many things, but the hedghog knows one big thing. This fragment of verse by the Greek poet Archilochus provides the starting-point for Isaiah Berlin's classic essay on Tolstoy in which he underlines a fundamental distinction between the 'foxes' who are fascinated by the infinite variety of things and the 'hedgehog', who relate everything to a central, all-embracing system. As Isaiah Berlin brilliantly reveals., Tolstoy was by nature a fox who wanted to be a hedgehog.

[duckingdafta]

You seem to be only here to try to CONVINCE and PERSUADE us to accept the situation that the "powers that be" are creating.
:rolleyes::cool:

I see someone else has noticed what you're up to as well Rappy.. like I said last night, you won't succeed in your agenda as you haven't the thought capabilities of your own, you're too obsessed with what everyone else is doing.

[raptorialis]

this kind of says to me you have NO UNDERSTANDING of the laws you talk of or psychology and the minds workings as a whole.. you cannot be both, that's the big picture, both want to be one another... man reading/explaining kiddies books shouldn't be this hard.. it's only a short story find it: Isaiah Berlin Tolstoy and History.


One needs to be a fox before becoming a hedgehog.

[darkman]

this will never happen as said in the orignal thread this came form IF david stood as a candidate in parliment ... IF.. thats a big 1 you have all missed and run with with idea that david will stand . now i was told by my father that if i wanted to moan at the council i should get involved owthe them no thanks i would be laffed out at my ideas and thoughts on everything . well think of this in davids eyes he was laffed at in the 90,s and he will be laffed at again.

he is no puppet

[duckingdafta]

One needs to be a fox before becoming a hedgehog.

ha, ha, ha... lol....roflao...sorry.. I didn't realize you where only 12.
when your mind catches up to your 50+yr old body, let it know that you had no idea of other ways of thought process and your one track mind was your choice.

[duckingdafta]

this will never happen as said in the original thread this came form IF David stood as a candidate in parliament ... IF.. that's a big 1 you have all missed and run with with idea that David will stand. now I was told by my father that if I wanted to moan at the council I should get involved with them, no thanks I would be laughed out at my ideas and thoughts on everything. well think of this in David's eyes he was laughed at in the 90,s and he will be laughed at again.

he is no puppet

unfortunately you would need to know what is happening 'behind the scenes' and this isn't public knowledge as you can't set it up in a day.. but it IS in progress.
I think laughing at David now, especially in the public eye, would backfire on the perpetrator as they would be ridiculing the truths being said not the man {that's been done already} and although politicians don't believe this, people ARE capable of making choices... they are obviously scared at the prospect or there wouldn't be so many against the idea.

[raptorialis]

I see someone else has noticed what you're up to as well Rappy.. like I said last night, you won't succeed in your agenda as you haven't the thought capabilities of your own, you're too obsessed with what everyone else is doing.

We are one. There is no "I" and "everyone else". There is just one.

The one is a labyrinth of a trillion perspectives.

Which perspectives you choose, are "the ones you decide to choose".

What many see is a world of impending doom. A quickening toward a date (2012) - which in itself is an illusion. Because time is an illusion. There is no past, present or future - there is only now. Now as the One.

2012 is a self-fuling prophecy designed to convince the people to create a war of good vs. evil. So 2012 is really another way of saying that at some time in the future humanity will choose to sabotage itself. It means that the people are urged to change their behaviour as this (illusory) quickening begins to happen.

People react differently when they are told they are on a collision course - and that's just the way the bourgeosie they like it.

They love to see the people dance and to humiliate them. Many in this thread are fueling the fear that will convince those (so called asleep) that they are on a collision course and in turn cause mass hysteria.

This will further fuel the fear that the bourgeosie feed on.

[raptorialis]

ha, ha, ha... lol....roflao...sorry.. I didn't realize you where only 12.
when your mind catches up to your 50+yr old body, let it know that you had no idea of other ways of thought process and your one track mind was your choice.

Please don't be angry duckingdafta, because I choose to not agree with you.

[beldazar]

Duckingdafta, dont waste your time arguing with old raptor, I got caught up with him on his 'get off the David Icke mine field' says it all really....:D
So much for trying to err......protect him eh?

[frankanne]

You are not fighting steevo. You are all sitting down having a nice cup of tea and a biscuit.

I've read a lot of steevo's posts and he's a true honest to goodness trooper. Full of ideas and wisdom and upbeat spirit. I've never read 'fear' as such in his posts, just knowledge and wisdom. Big difference.

Why do you think that knowledge equals fear? It doesn't you kow. The only fearful ones are the elite who know that the time is coming where their manipulations will not work. They know that a time is coming where the universal energies resonate with us humans and we will no longer be the docile fools that they have taken us for for so long.

So, you may be fearful, but many of us are learning new things every day and gaining in strength by our knowledge, wisdom and spirit.

Nothing can stop the truth for ever, and the time is ripe for that great spotlight of truth to shine on all the shadowy dealings of the 'elite'. Can't wait.

[duckingdafta]

Duckingdafta, dont waste your time arguing with old raptor, I got caught up with him on his 'get off the David Icke mine field' says it all really....:D
So much for trying to err......protect him eh?

you may have a point there.. I never mentioned 2012, 'I' or oneness... I think he believes we are all disillusioned within some matrix... if only he could chat in this language, then I might think about moving it onto some spiritual quantum dimensional theories.
I have noticed he has a habit of reading the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you write, for instance, I lol and he says I'm angry!.. I say I'm not scared or fear anything and he says 'So, you may be fearful'!... go figure.. the man's a loon attempting to be a spiritual bible bashing guru with no actual meaning of any experience other than probably a divorce from reality and broken depressive awareness.

[raptorialis]

I've read a lot of steevo's posts and he's a true honest to goodness trooper. Full of ideas and wisdom and upbeat spirit. I've never read 'fear' as such in his posts, just knowledge and wisdom. Big difference.

Why do you think that knowledge equals fear? It doesn't you kow. The only fearful ones are the elite who know that the time is coming where their manipulations will not work. They know that a time is coming where the universal energies resonate with us humans and we will no longer be the docile fools that they have taken us for for so long.

So, you may be fearful, but many of us are learning new things every day and gaining in strength by our knowledge, wisdom and spirit.

Nothing can stop the truth for ever, and the time is ripe for that great spotlight of truth to shine on all the shadowy dealings of the 'elite'. Can't wait.

frankanne,
You hear what you want to hear.
You will not read fear in Steevos posts because he is not scared. He is one of the unterrified.

How can the unterrified speak out for the terrified?

What is wisdom unless it comes with real life experience of terror?

How can anyone lead an army to victory in the name of the terrified, unless they themselves appreciate the experiences of terror? How can you "wake people" up and get them to rise up in the name of freedom and justice, unless they are terrified?

Like i said, "Escapism and false fear are luxuries of the unterrified".

They will never lead any one to freedom and justice.

I believe that the challenges ahead will be significant and the dangers - many. And like i have said many times -leaders must be found who do more than preach and who understand their responsibilities painfully.

[duckingdafta]

Pint of what he's on please!.:D

[raptorialis]

Pint of what he's on please!.
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Ok, it is the resistance of the intellect to hold on to the programmed mind. It will try anything to deflect what it does not understand - or "will" not understand.

How can you wake people up, if you yourself are not awake?

You must change your mind and challenge the concept of the matrix. It is an imperfect representative of mankinds struggle. It is the only way to improve its chances of success.

You must not sit in arrogance that you are the all knowing. That this knowledge gives you power over people. To vilify them and cast them aside.

The thought police are everywhere and they, like you - repel all foreign inbound and spread much propoganda.

I have come here to help. To change the thinking of the terrified ones who sincerely seek to lead the people out of poverty and injustice.

Where are the terrified? For they are the only ones who can truly help.

The rest are just noise in the system.

[duckingdafta]

and this has what, exactly, to do with David standing for parliament?

suggest you go outside and do something healthy with fresh air

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/453/davidandfamilywalking02dw3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[auroral_iris]

one up

[raptorialis]

and this has what, exactly, to do with David standing for parliament?

suggest you go outside and do something healthy with fresh air

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/453/davidandfamilywalking02dw3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

He must not stand. For the good of the people.

It is a mistake. They will not be effectively represented.

If you truly want to change things, you need to grow up and really feel the fear yourself. An academic appreciation of this or that, does not necessarily qualify you (or DI) to make decisions in this respect.

Take care that the people want you to fight for them.

[duckingdafta]

He must not stand. For the good of the people.

It is a mistake. They will not be effectively represented.

If you truly want to change things, you need to grow up and really feel the fear yourself. An academic appreciation of this or that, does not necessarily qualify you (or DI) to make decisions in this respect.

Take care that the people want you to fight for them.

I don't believe scaring the daylights out of people serve ANY purpose in life... if you feel you have to make people suffer to get ahead in life, good luck in your masochistic ways, hope you finally find the right listeners to your preachings... unfortunately as a fighter who isn't scared, if I feel you are a danger to anyone's mind I will say so .. you are doing exactly what is expected of you by those you claim you oppose yet say it in a way people need controlling rather than guidance...straight out of the Arnold Schwarzenegger camp.
are you attempting to 'steel' followers for your, what seems like a, cult?
academia has nothing to do with...common respect for humans has everything to do with it.

[duckingdafta]

Take care that the people want you to fight for them.

funny, I was going to say something similar to you about your preaching.. do the people WANT it.. as you never ask, you force it.. this is something people HAVE ASKED FOR!>

when you know know half of what's happening in real life, then there is plenty to 'fear' as you put it... but facing that fear doesn't mean you're scared any longer...just means you're ready for it and the consequences of it.

[cafe beelzebub]

raptorialis we've heard your views on this subject... please stop banging on about it.

[cafe beelzebub]

I hope people with plenty of cash like Matthew Bellamy, Jim Corr donate to this..

[h2pogo]

I will second that.

[raptorialis]

funny, I was going to say something similar to you about your preaching.. do the people WANT it.. as you never ask, you force it.. this is something people HAVE ASKED FOR!>

when you know know half of what's happening in real life, then there is plenty to 'fear' as you put it... but facing that fear doesn't mean you're scared any longer...just means you're ready for it and the consequences of it.

I simply question the validity of the claim that this vehicle can and will have any significance in turning the tide of poverty and injustice.

As a citizen i have a right to put these questions. As i would hope any citizen would be allowed to do.

So too must people be allowed to enquire as to what they are being asked to support, financially and in any other sense.

If my enquiries are too difficult to answer. I cannot help that.

[raptorialis]

funny, I was going to say something similar to you about your preaching.. do the people WANT it.. as you never ask, you force it.. this is something people HAVE ASKED FOR!>

when you know know half of what's happening in real life, then there is plenty to 'fear' as you put it... but facing that fear doesn't mean you're scared any longer...just means you're ready for it and the consequences of it.

Ok, heres the thing to do. Take 1000's of your mates on this website and all go out tomorrow and start knocking on peoples doors and telling them what is going to befall them, how you can help and what they need to do. Get them to sign-up to what you believe in.

Only then can you truly say you are trying to do something to help
Only then can you truly say you are sincere in your words
Only then can you truly show that there is more to your words than just talk
Only then can you truly say that you are not frightened

Then once you guys have accepted some responsibility and spread the word and got people to signup - David should then put himself forward again.

Why should he do everything for everyone? Why don't you guys get off your arse? Start taking some responsibility.

What contribution have you made? Apart from buying a few books and chewing the cud?

[duckingdafta]

I simply question the validity of the claim that this vehicle can and will have any significance in turning the tide of poverty and injustice.

As a citizen i have a right to put these questions. As i would hope any citizen would be allowed to do.

So too must people be allowed to enquire as to what they are being asked to support, financially and in any other sense.

If my enquiries are too difficult to answer. I cannot help that.

No you didn't you clearly wrote.. he shouldn't do it!.,.. you read the opposite of your own wording too.

[duckingdafta]

Ok, heres the thing to do. Take 1000's of your mates on this website blah, blah blah blah..more blah and again the same blah.. trolling and wasting forum space... blah blah blah!

again this obsession with what other people are doing as though you're missing out on something.. if you don't like the idea.. easy, vote for the other guy or put yourself forward, but until then, you're all talk as I know exactly what I am doing and you don't need to know... btw, I may be popular in my area, but I don't have 1000's of friends online and in real life put together.

[bicycle]

DAVID ICKE TO STAND IN 'BIG BROTHER' BY-ELECTION


He will stand under the title 'Big Brother - The Big Picture' after a tremendous response to the idea over the last few days.

He needs all the help you can give him physically and financially over the next three weeks up to the poll on July 10th because time is very tight.

David has no desire to join the web of lies, deceit and corruption in the British Parliament, and would never swear the obligatory 'allegiance' to the Queen to take his seat, anyway, but it is a wonderful opportunity to highlight the depth, scale and connections of the rapidly emerging - and global - Big Brother State that he has been warning about in his books for nearly two decades.

To see how urgent it is to take action now see the David Icke Big Brother research archive or The David Icke Guide To The Global Conspiracy (And How To End It).

If you wish to help with the Election campaign, please email Justin Walker at ... Jrgwalker@aol.com and click here to donate to the Election Fund. Nothing, no matter how small, is too little:

Cheques can be made out to The David Icke Election Fund and sent to:

David Icke Election Fund,
Suite 1,
185a High Street,
Ryde,
Isle of Wight
PO33 2PN

We need help from all quarters, and especially in or near the constituency of Haltemprice and Howden, close to the city of Hull.

Watch David Icke.com for updates.

[izzy]

excellent - cheque in post this week !:D

[h2pogo]

attached YT video of how msm if they cover the story at all will twist the truth.
and slap each others backs on what a good job they did.
rewards for diabolical journalism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNzrNEFs1E&feature=email

the David icke you tube channel seems to me like a good idea.

[beldazar]

For anyone who doesnt read the Headlines page

Tuesday, 24 June 2008
Making it clear


I want to make it clear one more time because a few people have still got the wrong impression. I am not putting my name forward in the upcoming by-election because I want to win and nor do I have any chance of winning. I will get a few votes at most in the time we have. Personally I am not in the least bothered if I get zero.

It is not about that. It is about taking an opportunity in a by-election called by the sitting MP on the subject of 'Big Brother' to make the point that this is far, far bigger than even he realises and unless we see the BIG picture of what is going on nothing effective can be done to stop it.

We can sit on our bums and moan, or we can do what we don't want to do (as with me in this case) to communicate what people need to know as effectively as we can.

best wishes,

David

[markstephenson]

Far be it from me to tell you how to run your site but shouldn't there be an announcement on the front page of www.davidicke.com?

The publicity machine needs to get into full swing, I'm sure theres loads of visitors to the main site who are not on the mailing list who wouldn't otherwise be aware of these developments.

I live about 80 miles away but im up for a day trip to the constituency to help in anyway possible with an awareness campaign.

[synergy777]

Corrs guitarist: I’d enter politics to save us from Freemasons

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/article3827386.ece

Corrs guitarist: I’d enter politics to save us from Freemasons and the tyranny of global government
Monday, June 23, 2008

By Gary Fennelly

Corrs guitarist Jim Corr has set out his stall for a possible career in politics and said he fears the rise of the 'New World Order'.

The Dundalk-born star told the Sunday Tribune that he was against the Lisbon Treaty and views it as a stepping-stone to an Orwellian nightmare state run by a one-world government.

Corr, 43, also revealed that he objects to the influence of Masonic Orders in politics, is against GM foods and fears that implanting humans with microchips will lead to complete government control of the human race.

Separated from former fiancée Gayle Williamson, Corr makes frequent trips to Belfast to visit their son Brandon.

He said the birth of his son last year played a major a part in his politicisation.

"When you have children there is an extension of you into the future. You think, hang on, this may not affect me but what on earth is it going to be like for my children? You start to ask questions."

Jim Corr on....
A possible career in politics

"I love playing music but I wouldn't rule anything out down the line. I imagine it would be an incredibly difficult job but if I felt we were going in such a bad direction, then maybe I would stand. I would be an independent because I am not affiliated with any political party."

The Lisbon Treaty

"Certainly the views of one party did resonate a bit more with me this time. Because of what we've experienced as a nation. Six hundred years of tyranny under the British establishment. We cannot forget that and here we are giving away our national sovereignty to a new European federal state."

Freemasons

"There are a large number of secret societies in our government, we certainly know that. The push towards global government totally correlates with the Freemasonic agenda.

"The way it works is that once they see a rising star, let's say a politician, they're approached, as a couple of my friends have been approached, because they would see you as an asset to the brotherhood.

"Tony Blair is a 33rd degree Freemason. That's fairly common knowledge. The Queen is grand patroness of the World Freemasonry. Silvio Berlusconi is a high level Freemason. President George Bush is a member of the Skull and Bones, the Yale secret society, which is an off-shoot of the Freemasons."

GM foods

"Imagine the nightmare of genetically modified foods being pushed onto our farmers. This might sound extreme but there is a component in GM foods called Agro bacterium which has been shown to alter human DNA. You don't want to be eating that.

"There's another agenda to microchip the planet. With these chips inside our bodies they have the potential to manipulate us, emotionally, physically and mentally. It might sound like science fiction but that's what I and other people think the ultimate agenda is. It's got to be stopped."

Big brother and a surveillance state

"There's another agenda to microchip the planet. With these chips inside our bodies they have the potential to manipulate us, emotionally, physically and mentally. It might sound like science fiction but that's what I and other people think the ultimate agenda is. It's got to be stopped."

September 11

"When you study 9/11 it becomes very apparent... it was a staged terrorist attack, what they call a false flag operation."

Jim Corr on Today FM's 'Last Word'

[juddfinn]

For anyone who doesn't read the Headlines page

Tuesday, 24 June 2008
Making it clear

..... It is about taking an opportunity in a by-election called by the sitting MP on the subject of 'Big Brother' to make the point that this is far, far bigger than even he realises and unless we see the BIG picture of what is going on nothing effective can be done to stop it.

We can sit on our bums and moan, or we can do what we don't want to do (as with me in this case) to communicate what people need to know as effectively as we can.

best wishes,

David


"... or we can do what we don't want to do (as with me in this case)"

I think this is KEY... David is going the extra mile (or whatever the bloody cliché is) and is putting himself through a lot to do this. We ourselves should be thinking likewise... this isn't a spectator thing.

Donating some money, any money, is first and foremost ... But also why not write letters (suggest the BBC get David on Question Time, etc), call Radio phone-in talk shows, question your own MP, Digg articles about David and the by-election, Up load relevant stuff about it to YouTube, post on (other) Forums, even have a day-trip out to support David up in Hull... etc etc - ANY OTHER IDEAS ???

YouTube could play a big part in covering events from the constituency that other Media don't (or won't) cover... so the word will get out somehow.

Put yer thinking heads on folks :D

[juddfinn]

raptorialis we've heard your views on this subject... please stop banging on about it.


We have ourselves a FANATIC: :eek:

Definition: "A fanatic is someone who can't change their mind and won't change the subject"

[kweli]

raptorialis we've heard your views on this subject... please stop banging on about it.

We've also heard the views of duckingdafta and others - - over & over again; how come you're not telling them to stop banging on? Is it because their views mirror your own maybe?

We have ourselves a FANATIC: :eek:

Definition: "A fanatic is someone who can't change their mind and won't change the subject"

One of the reasons I stopped contributing my opinions to this thread is because I really can't be arsed by this kind of bullying behaviour. it's not debate at all! If you don't think like the rest you're either a troll/disinfo/fanatic/agent.. blah blah effin blah! This is exactly what I mean about freedom of speech being stifled.

I also find the lack of response by admin/mods (apart from LL at the start of the thread) and other seasoned posters quite surprising; the silence is deafening.

[raptorialis]

We have ourselves a FANATIC: :eek:

Definition: "A fanatic is someone who can't change their mind and won't change the subject"

Sounds like having total focus to me. Plenty of rabbits in the headlights here.

[duckingdafta]

We've also heard the views of duckingdafta and others - - over & over again; how come you're not telling them to stop banging on? Is it because their views mirror your own maybe? .

my apologies.

[kweli]

my apologies.

No need to apologise, I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of it all. How can we expect healthy debate when people are villified for having a difference of opinion, that's all I'm getting at.

[duckingdafta]

No need to apologise, I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of it all. How can we expect healthy debate when people are vilified for having a difference of opinion, that's all I'm getting at.

Debate I agree with, that way I take in detail and actually learn, but if you feel like I'm on a rant and repetitively preaching, I would prefer 'putting in my place', rather than continue looking a prat.

[kweli]

Debate I agree with, that way I take in detail and actually learn, but if you feel like I'm on a rant and repetitively preaching, I would prefer 'putting in my place', rather than continue looking a prat.

Then it's my turn to apologise - I'm sorry. I've actually enjoyed reading some of your opinions - I just think we can do without the insults and accusations.

[tootrue]

David is my Guiding Light :)

I shall see if I could milk my account just one more time :rolleyes: :)

[beldazar]

dont send me any more private messages raptorialis, you arent a friend of mine, your posts are complete drivel anyway so LEAVE ME ALONE!