Where are the 'chip-refusers' going to go ??

[21_12_2012]

This is something that has been on my mind for a while.
If (and when) the microchips come out, it may probably be law for everybody to be chipped.
I have no intention of taking the chip whatsoever, and if the only other option is prison (concentration camp or whatever), then I will be 'off to the hills' to survive there. I will do a runner.
I expect there will be many people who think the same as me. I know there are lots of religious people (christians) who think like this.
I am not religious, but I do agree that the chip will prevent a person from 'spiritually advancing' (referred to in the bible as being damned I think, and going to 'hell'..which I don't believe exists anyway)
What I want to know is, if people do want to 'group together' and "do a runner" like I do, then how will we all communicate and actually sort out places to go, where to meet and all that stuff ?
It is hardly something you could plan out on the internet due to it being monitored, and maybe there won't be any more free-speech on the internet by the time chips come out as a law (if they ever do). Maybe the net won't even exist then (in the form we know it now)
So, I would say, that planning out where to go, and who is going and who is meeting up etc etc would have to be done early...like SOON.
But how?
I live near to Manchester in the UK, and I bet there are a lot of people in this area who would be "UP FOR DOING A RUNNER" !
I certainly am.
Same with vaccinations. Nobody is vaccinating me, bird flu or anything. I know for a fact that these chips are small enough now to be injected in a vaccine without our knowledge. So if vaccinations became a law as well (say for bird flu) ..I would be DOING A RUNNER then as well.
I do know of a few places around the north west where it could be feasible to live, but probably a system of underground tunnels might have to be dug to prevent helicopters etc from spotting people with their 'heat seeking' devices.
It would be a matter of drinking water from outside, hunting, trapping animals, eating berries, plants etc.and basically living like cavemen did.
Not many people could handle that, but I have camped out in all kinds of weathers and enjoy being outdoors, building fires, also have done a bit of shooting etc. but never lived like primitive man has ! Although I do have some official army survival manuals which basically have all the information needed within them.
Anyone else had thoughts about this?

[milas_dk]

Well.. I live in Denmark, but if it came down to that point, I would without doubt be up for a "Runner". But if "runners" were chased by the system, I think we would be outmatched pretty soon. But I cant emagin that we ever reach that point. But in the case I would take the run mate.. :) I seems to be the better option.

[21_12_2012]

Excellent ! Good to hear there's people out there thinking like me.
They can stick their chips and their vaccines where the sun doesn't shine ! haha.

[seamus]

Hey just a thought:

I think it will be many years before they are actually able to pull off "mandatory" chipping. In a vaccine it probably won't matter, since how are you going to individualize a chip in a vaccine, and how can you guarantee it won't just pass out of the body or get mixed up with other chips gotten by other means. I think it's actually going to be a mark, like an IR tattoo, on the hand or forehead. I am probably in the minority here for thinking the Bible gets it right, but I appreciate the openness here to at least express what I think. They don't like what I have to say at any of the christian forums i've been to. (largely because I don't believe in their exclusiveness doctrine) Besides, how can you talk to a calvinist about blood-drinking lizards?

cheers

s

[astral_girl]

id want to be a runner too..................but what about folk with children -they would have trouble wouldnt they ?..........can we be saved and our children ?

[astral_girl]

Hey just a thought:

I think it will be many years before they are actually able to pull off "mandatory" chipping. In a vaccine it probably won't matter, since how are you going to individualize a chip in a vaccine, and how can you guarantee it won't just pass out of the body or get mixed up with other chips gotten by other means. I think it's actually going to be a mark, like an IR tattoo, on the hand or forehead. I am probably in the minority here for thinking the Bible gets it right, but I appreciate the openness here to at least express what I think. They don't like what I have to say at any of the christian forums i've been to. (largely because I don't believe in their exclusiveness doctrine) Besides, how can you talk to a calvinist about blood-drinking lizards?

cheers

s


lol well said :D

[21_12_2012]

Well, regarding the bible, and the 'tattoo' theory, I believe the bible says "the mark will be IN the right hand or IN the forehead" which to me suggests under the skin (chip)
The bible may not be relevant, or (as a lot of people believe) it will be spot on.
If it is spot on, I would go for the word-for-word meaning of being IN the right hand or IN the forehead.
I have read that the 'IN the forehead' statement means that if someone for some reason does not have a right hand (maybe been removed due to an accident or whatever) then it will be in the forehead.
Who knows for certain, but I have also read that a tattoo system would not work due to various stretching of the skin theories and skin diseases etc.

[21_12_2012]

yes, people with children/families will find it a difficult time if there is a law to be chipped. They will not want to 'run to the hills' and compromise their families safety.
It would be a very difficult time for everyone.
I have no kids or wife so it would be easier for me to just.....go. But that could change in the next few years who knows.

[melbo]

I've never been camping and my survival skills are zilch so unless someone has a hideaway they want to share I'd have to do a protest suicide.

[yellow]

yes, people with children/families will find it a difficult time if there is a law to be chipped. They will not want to 'run to the hills' and compromise their families safety.
It would be a very difficult time for everyone.
I have no kids or wife so it would be easier for me to just.....go. But that could change in the next few years who knows.

With this scenario and people with families how about accepting the chip then frying it with a tesla coil afterward.
I am too worried though as there will millions who will be refuse to be chipped, especially amongst civil libertarians,human rights supporters, Christians and the 5-10% of the population who are awake enough to know the score. just like hundreds of thousands will refuse to buy an ID card as UK jails are full and courts could not cope what will they do?, they just dont have the infrastructure, police or army to do this if there is a mass boycott.
They will have to make most us want it probably by saying you can;t buy or sell without one due to germ warfare or terrorism etc but their will always be an alternative market for dissenters and even most 99% of sheeple are too squeamish to volenteer for a chip at present.

[21_12_2012]

With this scenario and people with families how about accepting the chip then frying it with a tesla coil afterward.
I am too worried though as there will millions who will be refuse to be chipped, especially amongst civil libertarians,human rights supporters, Christians and the 5-10% of the population who are awake enough to know the score. just like hundreds of thousands will refuse to buy an ID card as UK jails are full and courts could not cope what will they do?, they just dont have the infrastructure, police or army to do this if there is a mass boycott.
They will have to make most us want it probably by saying you can;t buy or sell without one due to germ warfare or terrorism etc but their will always be an alternative market for dissenters and even most 99% of sheeple are too squeamish to volenteer for a chip at present.

I think that all it would take for people to start accepting the chip, is another 9-11 scenario here in the UK and USA or both, and people (sheople) will be begging for a solution....and in will step the chip..that's my view anyway. And that's when i'm off...see ya later !

[mari]

Personally I dont think ID has a chance against the swell of public opinion. Enough people are going to say " no f*****g way!" & they cant put us all into prison, can they?
I've always said that people have the power to change things - no good asking the government or whatever to 'help' ( I'm talking about other things here, as well) the change must come from us.
I live in the north west UK & am surrounded by mountains & hills, so plenty of places to squirrel myself away. Yep - I'm up for that too, & I'm not letting the fact that I'm a middle-aged female stop me from giving the establishment's arse a good kicking. Bloody-minded is my middle name & I'm looking forward to doing battle........:D

[21_12_2012]

Personally I dont think ID has a chance against the swell of public opinion. Enough people are going to say " no f*****g way!" & they cant put us all into prison, can they?
I've always said that people have the power to change things - no good asking the government or whatever to 'help' ( I'm talking about other things here, as well) the change must come from us.
I live in the north west UK & am surrounded by mountains & hills, so plenty of places to squirrel myself away. Yep - I'm up for that too, & I'm not letting the fact that I'm a middle-aged female stop me from giving the establishment's arse a good kicking. Bloody-minded is my middle name & I'm looking forward to doing battle........:D

weheyyy excellent stuff ! I bet you're just around the corner from me, sounds like it anyway.
Good to hear like-minded people anyway...very encouraging !

[awakensong]

Here in the U.S. I guess we would call it "heading for the hills", which so many people would not be able to do. I think they would hunt everyone down anyway, if it came to that.

I have read that the indigenous tribes all over the world will be flushed out and taken to relocation centers, and that will be the end of any humans left who know how to live in connection to the earth, and the end of sentient life among homo sapiens.

I would like to ask what is David going to do, should the spychip become mandatory:confused: :confused:

Does he have any answers besides "Laugh at the Matrix"? That is his advice in the chapter called "Logging Off". I notice he's not laughing about someone who has allegedly stolen his work. He also says it's crucial that we "refuse the microchip". What does he himself plan to do at that point?

[oneofmany]

I saw a potential "MAD MAX" scenario coming down the line years ago. When I was 19, I went bush to originally work the land, and soon got thrown deep into the scrub, weeks at a time, living off the land while rounding up cattle. The only other guys with me were all native aboriginals living like there forefathers did, eating goanna, snake, crocodile and even a turtle once while we were close to the coast among other things. Every morning we gathered fresh water (hardly ever from a running stream) and gathered snack berries and witchetty grubs to keep us going through the day.
After a week of living like this, I soon realised that these people were living like kings off the land and us white man are the ones living like pourpers in our 3 bedroom sweat boxes and concrete jungles. Any chance I get now (which is not often enough) I'm into the bush with 25 litres of water, a map and a compass for a week to hohn my skills of living off the land for the time that these skills will become vital for me and my family to survive.

P.S If you can find me in the desert, you can chip my fuzzy ass :D

[yellow]

I think that all it would take for people to start accepting the chip, is another 9-11 scenario here in the UK and USA or both, and people (sheople) will be begging for a solution....and in will step the chip..that's my view anyway. And that's when i'm off...see ya later !

I still think the logistics of chipping 65 million people with say 10-20% dissenters would ne a nightmare for them with so few police, army etc.

[21_12_2012]

Here in the U.S. I guess we would call it "heading for the hills", which so many people would not be able to do. I think they would hunt everyone down anyway, if it came to that.

I have read that the indigenous tribes all over the world will be flushed out and taken to relocation centers, and that will be the end of any humans left who know how to live in connection to the earth, and the end of sentient life among homo sapiens.

I would like to ask what is David going to do, should the spychip become mandatory:confused: :confused:

Does he have any answers besides "Laugh at the Matrix"? That is his advice in the chapter called "Logging Off". I notice he's not laughing about someone who has allegedly stolen his work. He also says it's crucial that we "refuse the microchip". What does he himself plan to do at that point?

Good points ! I would also very much like to know what David Icke intends to do if/when chips come out. Would he head for the hills? What plans does he have, if any?
I have thought about this before, but forgot to write it in my original post.

[21_12_2012]

I still think the logistics of chipping 65 million people with say 10-20% dissenters would ne a nightmare for them with so few police, army etc.

It would be a MASSIVE task definately...but....there are lots of stories (and probably lots of proof) about concentration camps being built. Maybe that's where the 'rebels' will be thrown into.

What a depressing subject ! But i suppose it has to be addressed at some time or another !

[i_am]

Well I have always said, regarding the chipping, 'over my dead body' but on second thoughts a catch-me-if-you-can approach sounds a tad less drastic and a lot more fun.

[21_12_2012]

Well I have always said, regarding the chipping, 'over my dead body' but on second thoughts a catch-me-if-you-can approach sounds a tad less drastic and a lot more fun.

hahha THAT'S THE SPIRIT !!

[godsavengerslavenomore]

With this scenario and people with families how about accepting the chip then frying it with a tesla coil afterward.
I am too worried though as there will millions who will be refuse to be chipped, especially amongst civil libertarians,human rights supporters, Christians and the 5-10% of the population who are awake enough to know the score. just like hundreds of thousands will refuse to buy an ID card as UK jails are full and courts could not cope what will they do?, they just dont have the infrastructure, police or army to do this if there is a mass boycott.
They will have to make most us want it probably by saying you can;t buy or sell without one due to germ warfare or terrorism etc but their will always be an alternative market for dissenters and even most 99% of sheeple are too squeamish to volenteer for a chip at present.

They are building Concentration/Extermination camps in Alaska and Siberia. they will put us on cargo planes and fly us there if the system can't cope in the Uk. Don't Forget it is the new world order and they have the resources!
It will be hard to escape the UK or find a hiding place.
I for one have an escape plan and if it doesn't work out I will stay and fight. I have the training and the will to resist. I suggest if you are to do a runner but can't escape you do the same "get prepared" I suggest making a stand in Scotland as the Scots have a history of fighting tyranny and will do so again if it comes down to it. (They may take away our lands but they will not take away our freedom).
A must read for any survivalist is The SAS guide to Survival by: Lofty wisman
available at any good book shop.

Peace be with you

[21_12_2012]

They are building Concentration/Extermination camps in Alaska and Siberia. they will put us on cargo planes and fly us there if the system can't cope in the Uk. Don't Forget it is the new world order and they have the resources!
It will be hard to escape the UK or find a hiding place.
I for one have an escape plan and if it doesn't work out I will stay and fight. I have the training and the will to resist. I suggest if you are to do a runner but can't escape you do the same "get prepared" I suggest making a stand in Scotland as the Scots have a history of fighting tyranny and will do so again if it comes down to it. (They may take away our lands but they will not take away our freedom).
A must read for any survivalist is The SAS guide to Survival by: Lofty wisman
available at any good book shop.

Peace be with you

Good advice....looks like Scotland it is then ! haha (mind you...it's bloody freezing up there in winter haha)

[exmicrochipmafia]

I guess there are a number of ways to survive and YES, I would do a runner, along with my wife and family.
For years now I've been learning the 'old ways', learning how to hunt, gather wild edibles, and grow my own food.... strange that the compulsion would hit me considering I used to be 'anti hunting' yet now I'd rather live off wild meat than that 'stuff' they put in grocery stores...and trust me, it IS different, and after a year of it and then going back to beef you DEFINITELY notice how slimy beef has now become... food for thought. :-)
If you own a firearm, start stocking up on ammunition now if this is part of your 'plan' because you won't be able to buy bullets without a chip in your hand or forehead, and for that matter won't be able to own a firearm anymore.
Either that or do as the budhist monks and light yourself on fire in front of parliament; the ultimate protest.

[oneofmany]

I guess there are a number of ways to survive and YES, I would do a runner, along with my wife and family.
For years now I've been learning the 'old ways', learning how to hunt, gather wild edibles, and grow my own food.... strange that the compulsion would hit me considering I used to be 'anti hunting' yet now I'd rather live off wild meat than that 'stuff' they put in grocery stores...and trust me, it IS different, and after a year of it and then going back to beef you DEFINITELY notice how slimy beef has now become... food for thought. :-)
If you own a firearm, start stocking up on ammunition now if this is part of your 'plan' because you won't be able to buy bullets without a chip in your hand or forehead, and for that matter won't be able to own a firearm anymore.
Either that or do as the budhist monks and light yourself on fire in front of parliament; the ultimate protest.
Try a crossbow, less legal hassles and renewable bullets so to speak, if not you can always make bolts for crossbow, cant really make bullets without gunpowder. I agree with what you say about domesticated meat, not great to eat

[oneofmany]

I think most people that do a runner will be caught for this simple reason. They don't know how to cover their tracks. It's fine to just hide, but a good tracker will find clues you left to where you are, so the real trick will be to vanish without a trace, and I'm afraid peoples need for things like credit cards and mobile phones will be peoples worst enemy.
your Identity will not be your friend. For those that want to hide in Scotland, I say go to Europe. More land=better opportunity to hide, I fear the UK will be an up swelling of violence and therefore not a great place to hide.

[godsavengerslavenomore]

I guess there are a number of ways to survive and YES, I would do a runner, along with my wife and family.
For years now I've been learning the 'old ways', learning how to hunt, gather wild edibles, and grow my own food.... strange that the compulsion would hit me considering I used to be 'anti hunting' yet now I'd rather live off wild meat than that 'stuff' they put in grocery stores...and trust me, it IS different, and after a year of it and then going back to beef you DEFINITELY notice how slimy beef has now become... food for thought. :-)
If you own a firearm, start stocking up on ammunition now if this is part of your 'plan' because you won't be able to buy bullets without a chip in your hand or forehead, and for that matter won't be able to own a firearm anymore.
Either that or do as the budhist monks and light yourself on fire in front of parliament; the ultimate protest.

I wouldn't bother setting yourself alight outside Parliment brother. A very noble notion But a waste of a perfectly good Trigger finger!!!
I will be running for the hills also with my family. first I will be stoppng by These coordinates: Latitude= 51o16'3.43"N Longitude= 0o47'3.03"W
Get Google earth http://earth.google.com/ go to coordinates.....
enough ammo enough said!!!
I will be going to Scotland. most likely the highlands, I will be doing recce's in the next 2 years. for suitable locations to hole in. will try to keep people posted.

Peace be with you

[snog]

Hi everyone,

Forget the guns, stockpiles of ammo and jungle survival skills. None of us can say for sure where all of this is going. If there is mandatory chipping then simply say NO, don't feel that you have to camp out in a cave armed to the teeth and shaking with fear for your personal safety. If this is how you picture the future, then this is what will occur for YOU. Just remember that old saying "what if there was a war and no one showed up?"

This global awakening is going nuts at the moment, I'm meeting more and more people each day who can finally see the sugar-coated shit that's been dangling right in their faces for their entire lives.
I know that at least 90% of the worlds population are still sleepwalking (probably more), but I have a strong feeling that this is about to do a major back flip very soon. People will be saying no to chipping, but not just yet.
So that forget all of that fear because the age of servitude is coming to a close. And don't worry about what they want to do to our bodies and mind with vaccinations and so on....the human spirit just has a good chuckle about all of this, because it is FAR too strong! :D

Peace

[oneofmany]

I'm not living in fear at all, simply all i have done is made advance plans for a rainy day so to speak, just like people pay for their funeral before their dead.
same thing.

[snog]

Yeah I understand.

Hey if you're looking for a good place to hide out you should make your way down here to Australia! Humans only populate about 10% of the land mass. Plenty of natural resources too.
But as you know there's a strong possibility of enormous catyclysms wiping out most people from the pole shift etc. in the next few years. Either that or a movement into the next dimension and beyond. I'm going for the latter myself.

Embrace it all!

[oneofmany]

I agree, Australia's definitely the way to go, and the Aboriginals survived the last cataclysm, so there's hope for us all

[exmicrochipmafia]

Hey, I'm not saying that's what I'm counting on... guess I'm an old boyscout (and former soldier) at heart and I believe in being prepared for the worst... just in case.

[seamus]

Well, regarding the bible, and the 'tattoo' theory, I believe the bible says "the mark will be IN the right hand or IN the forehead" which to me suggests under the skin (chip)


I found this little interesting tidbit on http://www.av1611.org/666/barcode.html (someone else had referenced it in another thread about the mark)

"It is interesting to note that the Greek word translated 'mark' is charagma which comes from the Greek word charax, which means 'a palisade, like a picket fence.' When one realizes that this specific word was used back in the first century, and we see today the use of the computer-related bar code, we find the possibilities becoming more than a reality in our day and age." (Robert Van Kampen, The Sign, 1992, p. 231)

perhaps it could be a serial-encoded thread that's not electronic in nature, but laid in through means of a needle and readable optically. That would eliminate the chance of destroying it via a Tesla coil shock.

Since tattoos are (and a thread could be) subcutaneous, they are "in" the flesh. Ooh, that's the name of that creepy Pink Floyd song.

If I had my waaaaaay,
I'd have all of you SHOT!

And the crowd CHEERS!!!

Does that remind anyone of Pres. Bush's proclamations about trading away our freedoms, and his fans just cheering along?

Yeah, subcutaneous.

s

[father ted]

I saw a potential "MAD MAX" scenario coming down the line years ago. When I was 19, I went bush to originally work the land, and soon got thrown deep into the scrub, weeks at a time, living off the land while rounding up cattle. The only other guys with me were all native aboriginals living like there forefathers did, eating goanna, snake, crocodile and even a turtle once while we were close to the coast among other things. Every morning we gathered fresh water (hardly ever from a running stream) and gathered snack berries and witchetty grubs to keep us going through the day.
After a week of living like this, I soon realised that these people were living like kings off the land and us white man are the ones living like pourpers in our 3 bedroom sweat boxes and concrete jungles. Any chance I get now (which is not often enough) I'm into the bush with 25 litres of water, a map and a compass for a week to hohn my skills of living off the land for the time that these skills will become vital for me and my family to survive.

P.S If you can find me in the desert, you can chip my fuzzy ass :D

Well said.
It's so easy to loose yourself in the bush, and I don't care how many tracking devices and trackers they have, they aint gonna find me. They can threaten you with endless amounts of fear but they aint gonna find anyone who decides to go out into bush. You don't need to know all that much, just a bit of bush sense. You wouldn't need to venture far from any of Australia's cities either.
So if anyone wants a good place to hide...

[notaslave]

Well said.
It's so easy to loose yourself in the bush, and I don't care how many tracking devices and trackers they have, they aint gonna find me. They can threaten you with endless amounts of fear but they aint gonna find anyone who decides to go out into bush. You don't need to know all that much, just a bit of bush sense. You wouldn't need to venture far from any of Australia's cities either.
So if anyone wants a good place to hide...

LOL would love to, but couldnt afford the air fare. I am making other plans, not in Scotland.

[misscpb]

This is something that has been on my mind for a while.
If (and when) the microchips come out, it may probably be law for everybody to be chipped.
I have no intention of taking the chip whatsoever, and if the only other option is prison (concentration camp or whatever), then I will be 'off to the hills' to survive there. I will do a runner.
I expect there will be many people who think the same as me. I know there are lots of religious people (christians) who think like this.
I am not religious, but I do agree that the chip will prevent a person from 'spiritually advancing' (referred to in the bible as being damned I think, and going to 'hell'..which I don't believe exists anyway)
What I want to know is, if people do want to 'group together' and "do a runner" like I do, then how will we all communicate and actually sort out places to go, where to meet and all that stuff ?
It is hardly something you could plan out on the internet due to it being monitored, and maybe there won't be any more free-speech on the internet by the time chips come out as a law (if they ever do). Maybe the net won't even exist then (in the form we know it now)
So, I would say, that planning out where to go, and who is going and who is meeting up etc etc would have to be done early...like SOON.
But how?
I live near to Manchester in the UK, and I bet there are a lot of people in this area who would be "UP FOR DOING A RUNNER" !
I certainly am.
Same with vaccinations. Nobody is vaccinating me, bird flu or anything. I know for a fact that these chips are small enough now to be injected in a vaccine without our knowledge. So if vaccinations became a law as well (say for bird flu) ..I would be DOING A RUNNER then as well.
I do know of a few places around the north west where it could be feasible to live, but probably a system of underground tunnels might have to be dug to prevent helicopters etc from spotting people with their 'heat seeking' devices.
It would be a matter of drinking water from outside, hunting, trapping animals, eating berries, plants etc.and basically living like cavemen did.
Not many people could handle that, but I have camped out in all kinds of weathers and enjoy being outdoors, building fires, also have done a bit of shooting etc. but never lived like primitive man has ! Although I do have some official army survival manuals which basically have all the information needed within them.
Anyone else had thoughts about this?

Hi There

A very interesting post, I have also thought at times about what you could do when the chips come out as being compulsory and vaccinations. I know in parts of the usa it seems to be compulsory for people to have vaccinations and for people in the UK to go into certain countries abroad.

Have you noticed that many if not most people including myself would not have a clue with regards to what to eat if outdoors, I do not mean animals that may be caught, I mean natural plants and even things like starting a fire without matches and a light or indeed if you do not have a piece of flint also. I often think what would happen when there is nothing but massive food supermarkets left and if they close or withold food and there are no longer any local or corner shops etc, what would the average person do. Also around the issue of water, especially with water meters. It seems to me that the most precious thing besides the air that we breathe is actually water and food.

I remember that film with Sylvester Stallone when he was a cop and he was living in the normal world and there where lots of people who did not want to conform to the strange government etc so they chose to live underground in the sewers and tunnels and they actually had to do raids above ground to get food and water supplies. It certainly goes make you think doesn't it.

I wonder what year they plan to make the micro-chip compulsory, hopefully like with all gadgets someone may invent something that can beat the system. I truly hope though that around the year 2012 or just after the mass spiritual awakening of people/vibrations new stages of live and evolution etc will turn this world around for the better.

Take Care

[21_12_2012]

Hi There

A very interesting post, I have also thought at times about what you could do when the chips come out as being compulsory and vaccinations. I know in parts of the usa it seems to be compulsory for people to have vaccinations and for people in the UK to go into certain countries abroad.

Have you noticed that many if not most people including myself would not have a clue with regards to what to eat if outdoors, I do not mean animals that may be caught, I mean natural plants and even things like starting a fire without matches and a light or indeed if you do not have a piece of flint also. I often think what would happen when there is nothing but massive food supermarkets left and if they close or withold food and there are no longer any local or corner shops etc, what would the average person do. Also around the issue of water, especially with water meters. It seems to me that the most precious thing besides the air that we breathe is actually water and food.

I remember that film with Sylvester Stallone when he was a cop and he was living in the normal world and there where lots of people who did not want to conform to the strange government etc so they chose to live underground in the sewers and tunnels and they actually had to do raids above ground to get food and water supplies. It certainly goes make you think doesn't it.

I wonder what year they plan to make the micro-chip compulsory, hopefully like with all gadgets someone may invent something that can beat the system. I truly hope though that around the year 2012 or just after the mass spiritual awakening of people/vibrations new stages of live and evolution etc will turn this world around for the better.

Take Care


The 'system' has taken us away from nature and how to survive and live with it. It has been designed that way, to keep us dependant on 'them' and everything they produce and provide for us. They have us where they want us basically, in their grasp and dependant on their actions etc.
I hope more than anything that the chips do not become law, and i do think we could turn it around if enough people wake up in the near future. I think about this every day, and hope that it won't happen. The reason i made this post in the first place is incase it does happen, and to make people think for themselves as to how they would survive if it came to it...because i know that most people here will know of the potentially devastating effects of the chip once implanted, and i would say most people here would refuse it...so the alternatives have to be considered (if this ever happens which i really hope doesnt) and the alternatives might be bad.....(please dont happen!)

[jimijams]

I think it's actually going to be a mark, like an IR tattoo, on the hand or forehead.

Invisible RFID Ink Safe For Cattle And People, Company Says
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml;?articleID=196802844

[exmicrochipmafia]

Invisible RFID Ink Safe For Cattle And People, Company Says
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml;?articleID=196802844

God help us all.

[deca]

simple anwers they can get you with out a chip everyone has a unique bio imprint
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/pro-freedom.co.uk/part_1.html#links
phone mast are covering the whole planet even africa has phone mast
no running water or electricty but they are erecting phone mast.

[father ted]

That's interesting Deca, I had a look at the site.

When you go out into the bush, your intuition improves and so does your supernatural (should I say natural) psychic skills. This is because you move away from the city or town where there's a lot of interference. As long as you don't bring any (electrical) interference with you.
...so they can shove their phone masts up their ass and any other interference that they impose on us. We can and will avoid these if we want to.

[ho1ogram]

Running? From what?

It's all an illusion. If you run from it you are stating that you believe in this bullshit matrix construct.

The only real peace is within. Start with the thought that we are a vibrating mass of electrons born of the infinite. If you want worldly proof of our true nature then this is it, as shown by quantum physics.

We are imagining the world around us. It is our letting go of our own intuition that has led us to this point. We created the Illuminati by forgetting who/what we really are. We are more than this. If our ideas of the daily world come from a base platform of fear then we will construct scenarios that enforce those ideas. Unconsciously or not. That's why waking up is the key. There is nothing to be saved from because we are God.

There is no future or past, just this moment. So imagine you allready are free.

Running? Come on, that's what the world has been doing for millenia. Let's just wake up and remember.

You are not alone.

[21_12_2012]

Running? From what?

It's all an illusion. If you run from it you are stating that you believe in this bullshit matrix construct.

The only real peace is within. Start with the thought that we are a vibrating mass of electrons born of the infinite. If you want worldly proof of our true nature then this is it, as shown by quantum physics.

We are imagining the world around us. It is our letting go of our own intuition that has led us to this point. We created the Illuminati by forgetting who/what we really are. We are more than this. If our ideas of the daily world come from a base platform of fear then we will construct scenarios that enforce those ideas. Unconsciously or not. That's why waking up is the key. There is nothing to be saved from because we are God.

There is no future or past, just this moment. So imagine you allready are free.

Running? Come on, that's what the world has been doing for millenia. Let's just wake up and remember.

You are not alone.


'reality' and this 'world' we live in may be an illusion with regards to quantum physics, but as yet I do not see people levitating, or manifesting their desires before their very eyes....or performing 'magical feats' like putting their hands through 'solid' objects...in fact, as long as we remain within this '2 strand DNA prison' then what we are experiencing is indeed very REAL.
The same goes for the microchip / ID card / Nuclear missiles / War ....it's all REAL to our 'DNA'
No matter how many times people say "relax...it's all an illusion", it doesn't take away the fact that we are exeriencing it as real...and no matter how much 'the few of us' disconnect from that and try and create our own reality, it isn't taking the 'realness' away.
We still feel physical pain. We cannot detach from that. So that makes it 'real' as far as i am concerned.
I bet if someone pointed a gun to your head and said "relax...it's all just an illusion", then you would see the point.
So, the object of this thread is to discuss what people will do when(and if) the inevitable chip comes onto the scene, because no matter how much people say "relax, the chip is just an illusion"...that illusion is NOT being planted into my body..simple as that.
Maybe it will all become a 'controllable illusion' when enough people actually wake up and the '100th monkey syndrome' takes effect, but at the moment that hasn't happened.

Having said that, I can see your point about us having to realise that it is an illusion, the same way i can see David Icke's point.
The more that people can understand that it is an illusion on the quantum physics level, probably the more chance we have of actually creating our own realities and all of us disconnecting and moving on from the current 'DNA prison' we live in.

[father ted]

'reality' and this 'world' we live in may be an illusion with regards to quantum physics, but as yet I do not see people levitating, or manifesting their desires before their very eyes....or performing 'magical feats' like putting their hands through 'solid' objects...in fact, as long as we remain within this '2 strand DNA prison' then what we are experiencing is indeed very REAL.
The same goes for the microchip / ID card / Nuclear missiles / War ....it's all REAL to our 'DNA'
No matter how many times people say "relax...it's all an illusion", it doesn't take away the fact that we are exeriencing it as real...and no matter how much 'the few of us' disconnect from that and try and create our own reality, it isn't taking the 'realness' away.
We still feel physical pain. We cannot detach from that. So that makes it 'real' as far as i am concerned.
I bet if someone pointed a gun to your head and said "relax...it's all just an illusion", then you would see the point.
So, the object of this thread is to discuss what people will do when(and if) the inevitable chip comes onto the scene, because no matter how much people say "relax, the chip is just an illusion"...that illusion is NOT being planted into my body..simple as that.
Maybe it will all become a 'controllable illusion' when enough people actually wake up and the '100th monkey syndrome' takes effect, but at the moment that hasn't happened.

Thank you, 21_12_2012.
Everything can be answered by "it's just an illusion".
There are different levels of conversation.

[unicorn]

Yeah yeah, it is all an illusion, but it's one that we are creating & unless more people wake up & see the main creators of this illusion (the illuminati, although they are fewer by far in number, they have focused intent) & change it, we could all have to face the 'what if'/'when' being mircochipped will be compulsory' dilema.

Regards putting it in vaccines, this is the easiest way of them doing it. The doctors will be in on it, & will record your own chip number easily, without you ever knowing about it. It wont just be a microchip, it'll be an RFID chip, that has conveniently already been designed for vaccine-administration. In the mean time, they are chipping all new passports, & planning on putting tracking devices on all cars for the new 'pay as you go' UK road tax system. Watch the situation in Holland, where every 11-12 year old child is now being forced to have the anti-cervical-cancer vaccine. No hint of a chipping agenda there then? It is also compulsory for every car there to be microchipped as of january. Can you believe this? Chipping is not a distant future reality, it is already in your tescos supermarket & new passport.

I believe that we all create our reality, but not just as indiviuals, we are all also affected by the collective consciousness, unless you are focusing your intent to over-ride this continually & have cleared yourself of all emotional crap & judgement.

I hope that when it comes to the end of the illuminati rule, it will be before they have had a chance to put the prison trains as written about in this link to use. http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/pro-freedom.co.uk/philschnder.html This brought to my attention how ready they are for the millions of people who will refuse the nwo. :eek:

http://www.spychips.com
Check it out!

[unicorn]

I've never been camping and my survival skills are zilch so unless someone has a hideaway they want to share I'd have to do a protest suicide.

:eek:
Make sure it's infront of a big crowd otherwise it won't be much of a protest, who's gonna know about it, as you can count on the media not to comment on. It'll only be making their job easier if all their opposition kills themselves!

[21_12_2012]

I believe that we all create our reality, but not just as indiviuals, we are all also affected by the collective consciousness, unless you are focusing your intent to over-ride this continually & have cleared yourself of all emotional crap & judgement.

That is what I am getting at...when people say "it's all an illusion" and "create your own reality"..it is only half correct, because we are also subject to the collective consciousness as well, which is preventing us from actually moving forward and becoming true creators and progressing to the 'higher levels' and ascending...but...the more people that become enlightened, the easier it is for us all to progress.

[roxanna]

I think most people that do a runner will be caught for this simple reason. They don't know how to cover their tracks. It's fine to just hide, but a good tracker will find clues you left to where you are, so the real trick will be to vanish without a trace, and I'm afraid peoples need for things like credit cards and mobile phones will be peoples worst enemy.
your Identity will not be your friend. For those that want to hide in Scotland, I say go to Europe. More land=better opportunity to hide, I fear the UK will be an up swelling of violence and therefore not a great place to hide.

Ive been thinking of somewhere in the middle of spain. What do you all think on that? Any suggestions? Cheers

[ho1ogram]

Run to the hills? The middle of Spain? Or Australia? Or wherever?

Listen to your selves. What are you gonna do once you've run away beside be cold and miserable? It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

Yes, I know this world has an effect on us, and no, I haven't conquered the illusion. But I sure as hell know that death is better than running or taking up arms. What are you afraid of? A few years of torture or would you rather run away and repeat all this shit in the time loop?

Use information. Speak up, inform yourselves. That is something we can do now instead of planning for a future scrounging around in the hills. Plans based on fear will only lead us deeper into the illusion and into the hands of the illuminati.

'The Illuminati' are us! Wake up!

Of course live in the 'real' world, but don't let it rule over you. Expose the lies and corruption that it is built on.

And don't forget to take time out for a laugh now and then. Sheeesh...

[scotty zee]

My first post as I joined today. However I have been studying with Icke for about 2 years now. I have been alive 25.

I am aware that many things will be coming to this world in the next 5 years. There will be some big decisions for us all to make in the way that we live our lives. There could be war, or disease that may affect the way we decide. There may be death and destruction every where we turn.

But always know that Hope Is With US.

We are the chosen people. Chosen for this moment in time, this cleansing, this awakening. We are here for a reason. That reason is not to be fearful or scared. That reason is for us to live to the best of our ability.

Preperation is essential but do not prepare to run. The battle lies within, the enemy thy own self. Be not afraid of what the physical senses tell one that is real. Be only aware of one's own thoughts, actions and words. Live the Buddha, Krishna, Christ, Mohammed's way. Live as if you are alive. Not as if you were already dead. For life is eternal.

Only the physical body suffers harm. All the cosmic layers too. Our true self never feels pain. Our true self cannot be touched nor taken away from us. We are eternal. We are One. We are All God.

Live now and prepare to prosper.

Zee

www.ScottyZee.com

[howlingmad]

I'm with ho1ogram and Scotty Zee on this one. Responding in fear (running) is feeding the maw of the beast. Police, and the zombies that aspire to such a position, just love that sort of shit. I once overheard a couple of cops in a small town whining about how peaceful things were, talking about "moving to LA for some real police action!"

I know we're not conditioned to accept these things that we all know (in an academic sense), i.e., the nature of quantum physics and that our thoughts have a direct correlation to the "outside world". But reacting/thinking in fear will only bring you more of the same.

"Whatever it is you are feeling is a perfect reflection of what is in the process of becoming."

"All that we are is the result of what we have thought."

Begin by envisioning (with joyful emotion--the energy source) a world where the effects of those that you fear have no place; they are obsolete and irrelevent. Not that you want harm to come to them, but simply nullified. I know that sounds all "hippy-dippy la-la nirvana wonderland" and all, but that knee-jerk interpretation of Our Real Power has been part of the conditioning by the Illuminati and the like. Thou Art God!

[unicorn]

Use information. Speak up, inform yourselves. That is something we can do now instead of planning for a future scrounging around in the hills. Plans based on fear will only lead us deeper into the illusion and into the hands of the illuminati. Here here!

'THOUGH ART GOD' Well said. We are God, we are equal to GOD, & we are not running to the hills of Spain (they have helicopters, you know, some even with guns!! Tee hee!) :p

[21_12_2012]

I'm with ho1ogram and Scotty Zee on this one. Responding in fear (running) is feeding the maw of the beast. Police, and the zombies that aspire to such a position, just love that sort of shit. I once overheard a couple of cops in a small town whining about how peaceful things were, talking about "moving to LA for some real police action!"

I know we're not conditioned to accept these things that we all know (in an academic sense), i.e., the nature of quantum physics and that our thoughts have a direct correlation to the "outside world". But reacting/thinking in fear will only bring you more of the same.

"Whatever it is you are feeling is a perfect reflection of what is in the process of becoming."

"All that we are is the result of what we have thought."

Begin by envisioning (with joyful emotion--the energy source) a world where the effects of those that you fear have no place; they are obsolete and irrelevent. Not that you want harm to come to them, but simply nullified. I know that sounds all "hippy-dippy la-la nirvana wonderland" and all, but that knee-jerk interpretation of Our Real Power has been part of the conditioning by the Illuminati and the like. Thou Art God!

So, you're saying you will accept a chip in your body?

[21_12_2012]

My first post as I joined today. However I have been studying with Icke for about 2 years now. I have been alive 25.

I am aware that many things will be coming to this world in the next 5 years. There will be some big decisions for us all to make in the way that we live our lives. There could be war, or disease that may affect the way we decide. There may be death and destruction every where we turn.

But always know that Hope Is With US.

We are the chosen people. Chosen for this moment in time, this cleansing, this awakening. We are here for a reason. That reason is not to be fearful or scared. That reason is for us to live to the best of our ability.

Preperation is essential but do not prepare to run. The battle lies within, the enemy thy own self. Be not afraid of what the physical senses tell one that is real. Be only aware of one's own thoughts, actions and words. Live the Buddha, Krishna, Christ, Mohammed's way. Live as if you are alive. Not as if you were already dead. For life is eternal.

Only the physical body suffers harm. All the cosmic layers too. Our true self never feels pain. Our true self cannot be touched nor taken away from us. We are eternal. We are One. We are All God.

Live now and prepare to prosper.

Zee

www.ScottyZee.com

And you're also saying you will accept a chip in your body?

[howlingmad]

I think it's patently obvious that all of us on this forum, unless you're here by happenstance, are aware of the implications of "taking the chip." No, of course not. You're posing your question as if to say we'd allow ourselves to be blindly led to the chipping shop, bleating "resistance is futile."

There have been many suggestions that indicate we may have already covertly been chipped. Nevertheless, unless you've taken steps to remove yourself from the system, becoming a sovereign citizen (a difficult process, and not fool-proof--doesn't work everywhere), you are still in a database; your 'permanent record', so to speak. If you use any of the trappings of modern society (we are using computers over the network right now, aren't we?) you've left big, identifiable footprints all over the place.

Those that would impose themselves as our masters have worked hard to make areas of the world inaccessible, either by privatizing it or making it "public" land. In either case, you're not permitted to live there unless you "own" it.

How you respond to this slave world is the key. To this point, humanity has allowed itself to succumb to the somewhat comfortable conditions that make up their slavery. If it were not so, an uprising would have occured long ago.

Why do you think that it has taken so long for only a handful of eyewitnesses to go public with what they experienced on 9-11? Most of them are not willing to risk their livelihood for the good of humanity.

To illustrate: I became acquainted with a man that retired from a career as a prison guard in California. He seemed to be mild-mannered and kind; a man of religion (mormon). He told me of an experience he had with an imprisoned pedophile. Each week, a church group would come and visit him; by all appearances he had turned to God and repented of his ways. At least the church people believed it to be the case. By federal law, his reason for incarceration could not be revealed, even though this prison-guard acquaintance (we'll call him "Skippy") had deep reservations about this man's supposed rehabilitation. His experience told him that pedophiles do not rehabilitate, as is supported by the statistical recidivism rate.

When the prisoner was released, he immediately took up a position as youth minister at the church, whereby he proceeded to systematically rape and kill all of their children.

Now, wouldn't it have been prudent of Skippy to tell the church leaders of the risk involved? When I asked him, he said he would have lost his pension and possibly his freedom. Following the law took precedent. As sad as he was about what had happened, he took the position that his hands were tied (which was the point of his story).

Think about the various bureaucrats or bill collectors any of us have had to put up with. Do they ever put their job on the line to "do the right thing?"

What I'm getting at is that it is how you respond to the pressure of society, whether chipped or not. Of course resist the chip (or RFID ink...fuck!!), but most of all, don't succumb mentally, emotionally, or spiritually, as so many have already.

[deca]

goverment can track and mc without chip
but they are going to keep that for themselfs
they want chipped people so your boss and tesco can have you and your thoughts under there control.
and charge them

[firefly402]

Its interesting to read the threads relating to chipping. I have been aware of the possibilities of the system forcing us to have ID chips for the last 30 plus years hence my reason for moving to the countryside of New South Wales in Australia and trying to learn to be self sufficient. But it is hard and I'm fearful that my daughters and grandchildren will not be able to survive the hard times ahead even if they all move on to my property with me. My real fear is that I will die only to reincarnate and be chipped as a newborn. Is there no escape from this evil system that we are living in now? I expect that I will be arrested and put into one of their concentration camps. I suspect the reason our State government has just recruited 700 more people as policemen is in order that they will be able to round up the disenters whereever we are, and it will be hard to take off into the bush with so many members of ones family intoe. I pray that the pole shift will change all that and we will all become enlightened and not slaves to the illuminati.

[deca]

think you call it the outback dude....nice story thou.
back to perp school
yep I am the real deal dude

[ho1ogram]

Its interesting to read the threads relating to chipping. I have been aware of the possibilities of the system forcing us to have ID chips for the last 30 plus years hence my reason for moving to the countryside of New South Wales in Australia and trying to learn to be self sufficient. But it is hard and I'm fearful that my daughters and grandchildren will not be able to survive the hard times ahead even if they all move on to my property with me. My real fear is that I will die only to reincarnate and be chipped as a newborn. Is there no escape from this evil system that we are living in now? I expect that I will be arrested and put into one of their concentration camps. I suspect the reason our State government has just recruited 700 more people as policemen is in order that they will be able to round up the disenters whereever we are, and it will be hard to take off into the bush with so many members of ones family intoe. I pray that the pole shift will change all that and we will all become enlightened and not slaves to the illuminati.

The 'power' of 'the chip' can be overcome.

Reading this thread it's almost as if people have given up already because 'they' have got 'the chip'. The 'enemy' has a super duper weapon that will 'win' the war. Gimme a break.

I don't mean to offend anyone, everyone has their fears, me included. It is overcoming those fears and living life NOW that is important. No one here wants to be chipped. There was a time when I would run. Now I know it is just a chip and it is not 'me' nor ever will be 'me'.

I am a chip refuser. I refuse to give into THE FEAR of the chip. If it was that easy to control us, they'd just nuke the planet (or use biological warfare or whatever) and round up the survivors and chip 'em and make 'em breed.

It is our fear of all this that has gotten us here.

The key to everything is it's all a dream. A bloody convincing one I'll give you that. Yes it is real on this level. Yes kids are being torn apart with shrapnel and starving in camps as we speak (and everything else that we aren't told about).

But running isn't helping yourself or anyone else. It's a game. Do what you can to end the misery and suffering and LIVE LIFE at the same time.

You aren't in a camp now. You aren't skewered on a reptiles spit roast at Bohemian Grove. YOU ARE YOU. I LOVE YOU! :)

Remember who you are, not what you fear you'll become.

The future isn't here. The past is gone. This moment is all there is.

[exmicrochipmafia]

Regarding the previous post mentioning psychic/awareness growing when you're out in the bush: This is factual and I can attest to it personally. When I'm out in the middle of nowhere, I can actually 'FEEL' the other animals around, and I'm no crack pot either. I have experienced silence so powerful it is quite literally deafening, wherein you actually feel as though you're deaf- it's just that quiet.
Personally, I'd rather be out there anyway, if society went to hell in a hand cart...let's face it, major cities are going to be absolute war zones in the event of a major catastrophy.
I'd rather live free in my own way, live off the land, rather than accept a chip, but that's just my opinion.
Give thanks
Live life
and release.

[markhowie]

Aloha everyone
to save getting shot of filled with a chemical strait jacket
you can aways take a chip
(whith a smile)
take it out , where it with a plaster when you want to be seen
disconect it
duplicate it
reprogram it
all sorts of shit

remember:
KALA -There are no limits, everything is possible
Il n'y a pas de limites. ( Ôte les cotraints. Prends la liberté de changer d’avis, de croyances)

MAKIA -Energy flows where attention goes
L'énergie va là où se pose l'attention. / L’attention guide le flux d’energie.
(focalise-toi sur ce que tu veux )

MANAWA -Now is the moment of power
Maintenant est l’instant de puissance. ( Sois pleinement dans le present )

ALOHA -To love is to be happy with
Aimer c'est d'être heureux avec le bien qui existe. ( Benis ce qui est. Le partage « alo », joyeux « oha », d’energie de la vie « ha », dans le présent « alo ».

MANA -All power comes from within
Tout le pouvoir vient de l'intérieur. ( Fais confiance à ta propre puissance )

PONO -Effectiveness is the measure of truth
L'efficacité est la mesure de la vérité. ( Crois en tes idéaux, réalise-les (réve actif ))


@+ mark

[midwich cuckoo]

Aloha everyone
to save getting shot of filled with a chemical strait jacket
you can aways take a chip
(whith a smile)
take it out , where it with a plaster when you want to be seen
disconect it
duplicate it
reprogram it
all sorts of shit

How do you go about removing something as small as this?
http://regmedia.co.uk/2007/02/19/rfid_powder.jpg
The image on the right shows numerous chips next to a human hair, that's how small they are now, who knows they may get even smaller!

Be wary of being injected with anything (bird flu vaccine anyone?) these days as you could be chipped without even knowing it!. :mad:

[21_12_2012]

How do you go about removing something as small as this?
http://regmedia.co.uk/2007/02/19/rfid_powder.jpg
The image on the right shows numerous chips next to a human hair, that's how small they are now, who knows they may get even smaller!

Be wary of being injected with anything (bird flu vaccine anyone?) these days as you could be chipped without even knowing it!. :mad:

Great picture.....and perfect illustration of just how easy it would be to chip us, especially in a 'bird-flu' outbreak in the vaccine...or in any kind of vaccine whatsoever.

[anoninnyc]

a law was put into affect in the usa that if there is a state of emergency due to health scare then vaccinations will be mandatory and they will also have quarantine camps. so don't know if we really have a choice about it.

[21_12_2012]

a law was put into affect in the usa that if there is a state of emergency due to health scare then vaccinations will be mandatory and they will also have quarantine camps. so don't know if we really have a choice about it.

If that law came out over here (UK), the choice would be for me to stick my middle finger up at the system, and tell THEM who ISN'T having a needle stuck in their arm by ANYONE. Simple as that.

[exmicrochipmafia]

If that law came out over here (UK), the choice would be for me to stick my middle finger up at the system, and tell THEM who ISN'T having a needle stuck in their arm by ANYONE. Simple as that.



AAAAAAAAAAAAmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen to that brother!
The way I see it is that you can always 'lie' when they come looking for you and say you were already vaccinated and if they produce a scanner to verify your story they're BUSTED.
Then of course you're screwed but you'll at least know why you're about to get into a rumble. <grin>

[aznality]

Interesting thoughts. I have actually been pondering on this for a while. I really have no ideas at this point of time. I'd rather be jailed than to be infested by those contagious equipments.

Believe it or not, a Christian friend was telling me they believe in the coming of microchipping too. They claim the bible predicts it. Well obviously the Illuminati have it all planned out that way. Those who are familar with Icke's works will understand how they did it. It's a scary thought. But there are so many things they prove it definitely will happen in the near future.

[21_12_2012]

AAAAAAAAAAAAmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen to that brother!
The way I see it is that you can always 'lie' when they come looking for you and say you were already vaccinated and if they produce a scanner to verify your story they're BUSTED.
Then of course you're screwed but you'll at least know why you're about to get into a rumble. <grin>

I have thought about doing the lying thing, but I am sure there will be a record of the 'vaccinated' ones on some database somewhere.

And yes, if they did try to 'scan us' in some way to find out if we had been 'vaccinated', even if we asked them "what are you scanning for...a chip?"...i don't think they would even know what they were scanning for...and if they did they wouldn't answer the question anyway !

I also think that the alternative to being vaccinated, if it is jail, i rekon they would force the vaccines on people once in jail...i mean....who's going to know about it? And even if the public did find out that they were 'forcing vaccines' into people in jail, the public would think it's a good thing anyway !

So, it's run run run as far as i am concerned ! (if we ever get to that point...which i hope we never do...but which looks inevitable to me!)

[yellow]

If that law came out over here (UK), the choice would be for me to stick my middle finger up at the system, and tell THEM who ISN'T having a needle stuck in their arm by ANYONE. Simple as that.

If that happened they can kiss my behind,it would take several armed policeman to hold us down and inject my family against our will.

[tru3]

With this scenario and people with families how about accepting the chip then frying it with a tesla coil afterward.
I am too worried though as there will millions who will be refuse to be chipped, especially amongst civil libertarians,human rights supporters, Christians and the 5-10% of the population who are awake enough to know the score. just like hundreds of thousands will refuse to buy an ID card as UK jails are full and courts could not cope what will they do?, they just dont have the infrastructure, police or army to do this if there is a mass boycott.
They will have to make most us want it probably by saying you can;t buy or sell without one due to germ warfare or terrorism etc but their will always be an alternative market for dissenters and even most 99% of sheeple are too squeamish to volenteer for a chip at present.

i have to say right now, that during my hours spent on the old forum and this new and much improved one, i have come to respect you europeans. i've never been to europe, but my wife and i have talked about moving there for years, especially in light of all that we've learned from david icke.

you guys are the new "home of the brave"! :)

unfortunately here in the states, it's probably only going to take one dirty bomb going off in a medium-sized city to have most of the population lined up around the block.

i think this issue is crucial to the agenda, needless to say, and i feel they will stop at nothing to accomplish this task. one hope is that the chaos that would ensue from something that ghastly would stretch their resources too thin.

another "trigger" event might possibly by the arrival of the "galactic federation" . much has already been written on the use of cell towers as giant projectors, so i won't bore you with the details (search david's archive).

Sound ridiculous? well, remember orson welles' war of the worlds. that was less than 75 years ago; three generations. we like to think we're more sophisticated now, but i can almost guarantee that panic will ensue; the illuminati are masters at creating mass fear and hysteria. look at hitler's nueremburg rallys! mayday parades in red square!

i read somewhere that the sound of 20-30 bagpipes playing can literally make most people's hair stand up on the back of their necks. just as their symbols affect people visually, they could use sound waves to really get under peoples' skin and cause high levels of stress. they will use all the tricks up their sleeves: chemtrails, contamination of the water supply, etc. in fact, now that i think about it, all these different elements that people have reported have probably been dress rehearsals for the "big event". everything is compartmentalized, so who knows? :confused:

time will tell. personally, i pray for Grace every day in meditation. seamus, i can appreciate how you feel. i live in central kentucky and, while it's not the buckle on the bible belt, it's the first notch to the right! lol :rolleyes:

i live in a state where 70 percent of the voters voter for bush-- THE SECOND TIME!!! remember what i said about moving to europe? now you know why...

anyway, sorry i just had to purge lol.

[tru3]

oh yeah one other thing-- australia sounds pretty groovy, too! :D

[exmicrochipmafia]

Hey now! Don't forget us 'free loadin' canadians too eh?! <grin>

[father ted]

Those who have been to the outback will know that it's easy to loose yourself in the bush:cool:

[tru3]

I'm with ho1ogram and Scotty Zee on this one. Responding in fear (running) is feeding the maw of the beast. Police, and the zombies that aspire to such a position, just love that sort of shit. I once overheard a couple of cops in a small town whining about how peaceful things were, talking about "moving to LA for some real police action!"

I know we're not conditioned to accept these things that we all know (in an academic sense), i.e., the nature of quantum physics and that our thoughts have a direct correlation to the "outside world". But reacting/thinking in fear will only bring you more of the same.

"Whatever it is you are feeling is a perfect reflection of what is in the process of becoming."

"All that we are is the result of what we have thought."

Begin by envisioning (with joyful emotion--the energy source) a world where the effects of those that you fear have no place; they are obsolete and irrelevent. Not that you want harm to come to them, but simply nullified. I know that sounds all "hippy-dippy la-la nirvana wonderland" and all, but that knee-jerk interpretation of Our Real Power has been part of the conditioning by the Illuminati and the like. Thou Art God!

"Austin Powers: No doubt, love, but as long as people are still having promiscuous sex with many anonymous partners without protection while at the same time experimenting with mind-expanding drugs in a consequence-free environment, I'll be sound as a pound! "

it's freedom, with responsibility, baby! :)

da howlin wolf man! ah hoooooooooo!

[tru3]

Hey now! Don't forget us 'free loadin' canadians too eh?! <grin>

oops! sorry! no offense. i've been to toronto, montreal, and vancouver up on to whistler, in the summer. love the land, love the people! that might be a lot more practical for us, given our location (central kentucky; i'm trying to bring a little "rebel spirit" to this forum...just a little...um...i just moved here ten years ago...er...anyway) :)

recently a friend sent me an email about "economic citizenship". the only place this can be obtained in the western hemisphere is on two islands in the caribbean (in this case, diligence pays).

i'm seriously looking into it.

p.s. the countries in the world who don't have the presence of banking cartels somehow seem to end up in bush's "axis of evil"

methinks he doth protest too much.

[i am all i am]

G'day Tru3,

You'd be welcome here in Australia. If you decide to make the move I'm sure that I wouldn't be the only one on this forum that would offer help. We could even teach you to speak Australian (words like drongo, gallah and of course dag).

With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[tru3]

G'day Tru3,

You'd be welcome here in Australia. If you decide to make the move I'm sure that I wouldn't be the only one on this forum that would offer help. We could even teach you to speak Australian (words like drongo, gallah and of course dag).

With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.


thanks, mate! see, i'm already practising my language skills! lol :)

sorry gotta run-- the "shrimp-o" <holds up quoting fingers for emphasis> on my "barbie-o" are burning...

[i am all i am]

thanks, mate! see, i'm already practising my language skills! lol :)

sorry gotta run-- the "shrimp-o" <holds up quoting fingers for emphasis> on my "barbie-o" are burning...


Actually we call them prawns.
Also no 'o' at the end of barbie.

I'll give you an 'A' for effort though.

With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[tru3]

Actually we call them prawns.
Also no 'o' at the end of barbie.

I'll give you an 'A' for effort though.

With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

DOH! :mad:

[i_am]

DOH! :mad:

And then you can change your name to TruBlue :D

[titan]

Dig for Victory!

Eat your veg.

Who knows, mabye that tesco worker could give up their job and be with their kids, taking them out of nurseries.

learn to knit!

barter

smile smile smile at the ridicoulous system

When they send out a questionnaire asking about you, your opinion, your stuff

write

IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS

What can they do?

[chicken]

I am chipped - no seriously, I am not joking. I can tell you what it feels like......This is my reality - I feel the pain body and all the other sensations - electroshocks, vibrations etc etc......

Chicken

[doryl_roy]

The SAS guide to Survival by: Lofty wisman
available at any good book shop.

R u Lofty by any chance?

[cruise4]

Mark of the Beast... I have a nagging something in the back of my mind that the chip is a diversion. What if it it means something else. A DNA marker perhaps? Bloodline? I do not believe God would admonish those who have an RFID tag in them unless its associated with concious welcoming of the antichrist agenda, which ain't us. There's something else going on... lets have some alternative brainstorming...

Could it be a thought
Could it be a bank Balance (pursuit of wealth)
Could it be a tattoo but not RFID related

I need others input... there is something we are missing.

[kashmirz]

Jimmie Vaughan "Down With Big Brother" - YouTube

[dangermouse]

I am chipped - no seriously, I am not joking. I can tell you what it feels like......This is my reality - I feel the pain body and all the other sensations - electroshocks, vibrations etc etc......

Chicken


:( sucks!!

[armoured_amazon]

This is something that has been on my mind for a while.
If (and when) the microchips come out, it may probably be law for everybody to be chipped.
I have no intention of taking the chip whatsoever, and if the only other option is prison (concentration camp or whatever), then I will be 'off to the hills' to survive there. I will do a runner.
I expect there will be many people who think the same as me. I know there are lots of religious people (christians) who think like this.
I am not religious, but I do agree that the chip will prevent a person from 'spiritually advancing' (referred to in the bible as being damned I think, and going to 'hell'..which I don't believe exists anyway)
What I want to know is, if people do want to 'group together' and "do a runner" like I do, then how will we all communicate and actually sort out places to go, where to meet and all that stuff ?
It is hardly something you could plan out on the internet due to it being monitored, and maybe there won't be any more free-speech on the internet by the time chips come out as a law (if they ever do). Maybe the net won't even exist then (in the form we know it now)
So, I would say, that planning out where to go, and who is going and who is meeting up etc etc would have to be done early...like SOON.
But how?
I live near to Manchester in the UK, and I bet there are a lot of people in this area who would be "UP FOR DOING A RUNNER" !
I certainly am.
Same with vaccinations. Nobody is vaccinating me, bird flu or anything. I know for a fact that these chips are small enough now to be injected in a vaccine without our knowledge. So if vaccinations became a law as well (say for bird flu) ..I would be DOING A RUNNER then as well.
I do know of a few places around the north west where it could be feasible to live, but probably a system of underground tunnels might have to be dug to prevent helicopters etc from spotting people with their 'heat seeking' devices.
It would be a matter of drinking water from outside, hunting, trapping animals, eating berries, plants etc.and basically living like cavemen did.
Not many people could handle that, but I have camped out in all kinds of weathers and enjoy being outdoors, building fires, also have done a bit of shooting etc. but never lived like primitive man has ! Although I do have some official army survival manuals which basically have all the information needed within them.
Anyone else had thoughts about this?

I'm with ya all the way (I'm northwest based also). There's a place I can think of with an underground system that a bf of mine built when he was a teenager, among other wild places. I'm not getting chipped, period. For me, not only is it - as you say - hampering people's spiritual advancement, but my God forbids me to take it. I'm off! And if I have to defend myself to the death, then I do. Coincidentally, I'm on the waiting list for archery classes here and joining the local gun club (on waiting list for next course). The ex is ex-marine and can look after himself but I need to do some sort of outdoor stuff.

[armoured_amazon]

I need others input... there is something we are missing.

It frightens me that we may miss something and be too late to deny it. Basically, no one's coming near me, period. lol

It's definitely something in/on the body.