NWO Sweden

[cruise4]

In one weeks time, the swedish government will
vote on a swedish model of the US Patriotact.
It will give the military power to listen to and monitor
ALL information traffic, cellphones, e-mails, text messages and
msn conversations! Not only if there is suspicion of a crime, but
always 24-7 365 days of the year, on all citizens!

So anyone who wants to flee the usa and the elite...
forget sweden, we are sinking in to complete NWO control
and police state!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/04/sweden_wiretap_bill/

[lizzy]

nowhere to run is right cruise 4.
....... with all their men in position now and HAARP at the ready,..........
.

[cruise4]

Where are you Lizzy? US?

[lizzy]

yup, a Brit in Washington State. close to canadian border. and you cruise?

[cruise4]

UK... I think we are both more 'frontline' than some. Over there more so than here. But the direction is unmistakeable.

[Anders Lindman]

In one weeks time, the swedish government will
vote on a swedish model of the US Patriotact.
It will give the military power to listen to and monitor
ALL information traffic, cellphones, e-mails, text messages and
msn conversations! Not only if there is suspicion of a crime, but
always 24-7 365 days of the year, on all citizens!

So anyone who wants to flee the usa and the elite...
forget sweden, we are sinking in to complete NWO control
and police state!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/04/sweden_wiretap_bill/

:eek: Sneaky bastards! I haven't seen anything about this in Swedish media. :mad:

From the article:

"... mainstream Swedish press seem to be on holiday, so news about the proposed law is woefully hard to come by."

[Anders Lindman]

:eek: Sneaky bastards! I haven't seen anything about this in Swedish media. :mad:

From the article:

"... mainstream Swedish press seem to be on holiday, so news about the proposed law is woefully hard to come by."

I now found articles about this. Actually, Dagens Nyheter, the largest newspaper in Sweden has an article about the proposal for the new law today:

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1042&a=778996

Actually, their top headline news story is about the law:

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1042&a=778995

(Former head of the Swedish Security Service (SÄPO) criticises the proposal)

[mariag]

I now found articles about this. Actually, Dagens Nyheter, the largest newspaper in Sweden has an article about the proposal for the new law today:

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1042&a=778996

Actually, their top headline news story is about the law:

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1042&a=778995

(Former head of the Swedish Security Service (SÄPO) criticises the proposal)
Thats it , I want to leave sweden right away :eek::eek:

[Anders Lindman]

Thats it , I want to leave sweden right away :eek::eek:

But it's good that media writes about this today. Hopefully there will be more articles about the law the next days. With enough pressure the politicians will vote no. Hopefully. :confused:

[lightgiver]

Is that where all that IKEA shite comes from:eek:

yeah the masses love there IKEA shite:eek::rolleyes:;)

IKEA PART OF THE NWO;)

Yeah buying this shite will make you REALLY HAPPY:eek::rolleyes:;)

let me tell you about Sweden,

only country where the clouds are interesting,

Big brother says its the place to go,

to much time to think to little to do,

Cumulus nimbus goes bye and bye and buy and buy aaaaaa,;)

just thought i would put forth a few happy ditty's,:cool:

[Anders Lindman]

Is that where all that IKEA shite comes from:eek:


Yep, and H&M clothes. :D

[lightgiver]

yep, And H&m Clothes. :d

He He:D:D:D;)

[mariag]

Is that where all that IKEA shite comes from:eek:

yeah the masses love there IKEA shite:eek::rolleyes:;)

IKEA PART OF THE NWO;)

Yeah buying this shite will make you REALLY HAPPY:eek::rolleyes:;)

let me tell you about Sweden,

only country where the clouds are interesting,

Big brother says its the place to go,

to much time to think to little to do,

Cumulus nimbus goes bye and bye and buy and buy aaaaaa,;)

just thought i would put forth a few happy ditty's,:cool:

Actually I think you have disinfo . Sweden has a lovely scenery and a wonderful wildlife. We have a lot to offer and it is a shame that the NWO is destroying what was once a lovely country. We are the only ( or so I have been told) country that have signed a constitution for not attending in any war. We have Ikea yes , and HM and many more things.
Love and Light Maria G

[lightgiver]

Actually I think you have disinfo . Sweden has a lovely scenery and a wonderful wildlife. We have a lot to offer and it is a shame that the NWO is destroying what was once a lovely country. We are the only ( or so I have been told) country that have signed a constitution for not attending in any war. We have Ikea yes , and HM and many more things.
Love and Light Maria G

yes sweden is lovely:)

and the nwo are destroying the planet,

i was singing a song;)

from a STRANGLERS song,the song is called SWEDEN;),

the Album is called BLACK and WHITE;):)check it out,
you will love it:)

THE STRANGLERS esp HUGH CORNWELL,were ahead of there time MUSICALLY that is,
google it i am sure you will find it ,
if you have already not heard of them,
jean jacques burnell brought an album out in the early 80s,
called EUROMAN COMETH,:eek:;)
check out there stuff,
another album,
GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE MEN IN BLACK;)
check there stuff out,
you ll be surprised:cool:

[mariag]

yes sweden is lovely:)

and the nwo are destroying the planet,

i was singing a song;)

from a STRANGLERS song,the song is called SWEDEN;),

the Album is called BLACK and WHITE;):)check it out,
you will love it:)

THE STRANGLERS esp HUGH CORNWELL,were ahead of there time MUSICALLY that is,
google it i am sure you will find it ,
if you have already not heard of them,
jean jacques burnell brought an album out in the early 80s,
called EUROMAN COMETH,:eek:;)
check out there stuff,
another album,
GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE MEN IN BLACK;)
check there stuff out,
you ll be surprised:cool:

Thank you I will check it out.
Yes NWO is destroying our planet.

[mariag]

http://www.illuminati-news.com/2006/1213a.htm

Here is an interesting article that I just found.

The Scandinavian illuminati community and the Swedish Rite of Freemasonry practiced in Scandinavia are also very influential in the United States and they considered an example to follow by the illuminati scum bags that want complete control over their citizens...over the sheep. The Scandinavian are a living experiment of the illuminati since the time of the Nazi occupation and soon the Americans will feel the same sense of oppression from the State but the only difference is a willing participant of the game because the people over here are already under the full control of the Nazi-Fascist State.

[Anders Lindman]

http://www.illuminati-news.com/2006/1213a.htm

Here is an interesting article that I just found.

Sweden was never occupied but was suspiciously friendly towards the Nazis and Sweden did business with the Nazis AND the Allies such as Britain at the same time! :eek:

[Anders Lindman]

One freemason building in Stockholm has a flag with the Templar cross on top of it.

Here are some Swedish freemason symbols:

http://heraldry.husgafvel.net/ERIKLARSSON/RiddarhusetEliasHuus.gif

http://heraldry.husgafvel.net/ERIKLARSSON/HuusgavelKlingspor40.gif

http://www.frimurarorden.se/scf/images/scf.gif

http://www.frimurarorden.se/opl/3x3/images/3x3.jpg

http://www.freewebs.com/masonicofsweden/sfmo_stort_vapen.gif

[Anders Lindman]

"Swedish Order of Freemasons ... Freemasonry is strictly Christian, only those committed to the Christian faith are admitted."

From: http://www.frimurarorden.se/eng/members_and_lodges.html

Swedish freemason hall:

http://www.integrationsbladet.nu/intervju/Frimurarsal.jpg

The statues don't look very Christian to me. :eek:

[Anders Lindman]

Another Swedish freemason hall:

http://www.frimurarorden.se/stamhus/images/stamhus_johannessalen.jpg

Again the black and white checker floor. What a surprise. :rolleyes:

[Anders Lindman]

The symbol for The Nordic Circle lodge:

http://www.frimurarorden.se/svea/nc/images/nc.gif

Skull and bones. :eek: The lodge was founded year 1800. The Order of Skull and Bones at Yale was formed 32 years later in 1832.

Another Swedish lodge is called la Lumière. Sounds like Illuminati in French. :D

[Anders Lindman]

Increased pressure to vote no on the wiretap bill in Sweden:

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1042&a=778882
(In Swedish)

[mariag]

Another Swedish freemason hall:

http://www.frimurarorden.se/stamhus/images/stamhus_johannessalen.jpg

Again the black and white checker floor. What a surprise. :rolleyes:

Anders ! are you familliar with Mäster Olof Gården in Stockholm? My grandfathers brother Gabriel Grefberg was the founder of this association. My grandfather (his borther) Was a member of high degree of the freemasons and so was Gabriel .We are related to the royals of sweden and europe. I think that this was an illuminati project. I have a feeling that my family have been involved in secret societys for a long time although I hope I am wrong but something tells me that things are not right .

Hope i am not getting any shit from my relatives now fro saying these things , i do not like it when they get angry.

[mariag]

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=0&gsln=Grefberg&f7=NJ&gss=genfact&db=1920usfedcen

Grefberg in America New Jersey under te name Greenberg

http://www.scoreboard-canada.com/aig/aig-illuminati2.htm

And this man
Maurice Greenberg

Maurice Greenberg — CEO of American International Group (AIG) on 9-11 which became co-owner of the “private spy agency”, Kroll Associates, in 1993 and was a major share-holder in Marsh & McClennan whose CEO on 9-11 was Maurice’s son Jeffrey; director of the New York Federal Reserve bank (1988-1995); deputy chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) in 1996; major investor in the Blackstone Group

http://www.scoreboard-canada.com/aig/images/p-greensept.JPG

I guess my thoughts are right about my family..

[Anders Lindman]

Anders ! are you familliar with Mäster Olof Gården in Stockholm? My grandfathers brother Gabriel Grefberg was the founder of this association. My grandfather (his borther) Was a member of high degree of the freemasons and so was Gabriel .We are related to the royals of sweden and europe. I think that this was an illuminati project. I have a feeling that my family have been involved in secret societys for a long time although I hope I am wrong but something tells me that things are not right .

Hope i am not getting any shit from my relatives now fro saying these things , i do not like it when they get angry.

I haven't heard of Mäster Olof Gården. Maybe you could do a research about your ancestors to see if there are any old documents left about secret societies etc.

[mariag]

I haven't heard of Mäster Olof Gården. Maybe you could do a research about your ancestors to see if there are any old documents left about secret societies etc.
I have started already :) I have found the connection with Greenberg and an old radio recording with Gabriel Grefberg and Astrid Lindgren about single mothers and morality. But I will dig into this more , I will not let this go.

[lightgiver]

The symbol for The Nordic Circle lodge:

http://www.frimurarorden.se/svea/nc/images/nc.gif

Skull and bones. :eek: The lodge was founded year 1800. The Order of Skull and Bones at Yale was formed 32 years later in 1832.

Another Swedish lodge is called la Lumière. Sounds like Illuminati in French. :D

illuminate=illuminer in french,;)also means to light up,illuminate or to enlighten,

illumination=illumination in french;)or lighting,

and le and la is either masculine or feminine;):cool:

[lightgiver]

Going back to the original subject...



it is funny you should mention echoing on phones,

this as been happening on my phone(landline) for several months,

and as never happened prior to that,

they do monitor phone conversations for KEYWORDS,

ie 911, 77, nwo, fmasons, and drug words so this deffo goes on,:eek:

maybe they are stepping up the pressure:confused::eek:;)

thought i would share that with you,oh and also

this as been happening to others i know as well,:eek:;)

[livingthislife]

Seriously, as an inmigrant living here in Sweden for one year...I felt this society really opressive. It's a kind of auto-censorship of every person cause they feel observed all of the time.Talking to them, and asking them why they are so scared of everything, they said that is bad considered to be different from the average, that this is something that they teach since you are a child, the school, family...
Some things are really strange...I'm talking about government and its laws, ministries and institutions. And of course, I think that the government with its laws cause more and more distrust and hate against inmigrants.
Now I know that even my participation in this forum will be controlled soon for someone here in Sweden. And as an inmigrant I'm the perfect person to blame. Scary...
And now I want to ask you about something, I have my suspects...since I arrived here, I feel very tired (not because of the dark, summer is the same),sleepy most of the time, with strange allergies and frequent headaches. I suspect from the water. Am I a paranoic? Can be this possible? you know what I mean...

[mariag]

it is funny you should mention echoing on phones,

this as been happening on my phone(landline) for several months,

and as never happened prior to that,

they do monitor phone conversations for KEYWORDS,

ie 911, 77, nwo, fmasons, and drug words so this deffo goes on,:eek:

maybe they are stepping up the pressure:confused::eek:;)

thought i would share that with you,oh and also

this as been happening to others i know as well,:eek:;)

Don´t know if any of you have read in my other post but I have been experienced more then an eho on the phone . There was a noice that sounded like a robot like voice (male) saying a two word sentence one of witch I can not understand. Then the same day a young girl was killed near my home 18 month old . The house has the number 36 and 38. There has been mention about one other kid age 6 that also was killed at the same place ( could be rumour this one ) but I have no proof of that one. On the day after the child murder there was a grand opening of our "pool" , a circular pool one that reflects the sun just as the great pyramid in mexico.The time was 3 pm .The murder the day before was at 11 am passific time.It seems to me that it was some sort of a ritual but I can´t say for sure fo course but I can mention that a symbol of a pyramid exist on that very house where the child was waisted. And also a staircase leading to a underground tunnel of some sort.It is odd in away cause life seems to go on as usuall and noone talks about this murder . It is almost like it never happend . Strange beacuse there are many that would start a gossip about it and many that would be concerned about their own kids.
T you this might not sound like the illuminati or NWO but I think it could be due to my heritage and beacuse I have a network exposing the NWO and beacuse I am here and support David .
I am directly linked to Greenberg and Rotchild if I can trust the internet researching when it comes to searching for roots and ancestors.
I am a bit worried if this is true but will not stop exposing them ,never ever.

[mariag]

Seriously, as an inmigrant living here in Sweden for one year...I felt this society really opressive. It's a kind of auto-censorship of every person cause they feel observed all of the time.Talking to them, and asking them why they are so scared of everything, they said that is bad considered to be different from the average, that this is something that they teach since you are a child, the school, family...
Some things are really strange...I'm talking about government and its laws, ministries and institutions. And of course, I think that the government with its laws cause more and more distrust and hate against inmigrants.
Now I know that even my participation in this forum will be controlled soon for someone here in Sweden. And as an inmigrant I'm the perfect person to blame. Scary...
And now I want to ask you about something, I have my suspects...since I arrived here, I feel very tired (not because of the dark, summer is the same),sleepy most of the time, with strange allergies and frequent headaches. I suspect from the water. Am I a paranoic? Can be this possible? you know what I mean...


You are not beeing paranoid. If you are the slightest different in Sweden its considerd bad. And imigrants have a hard time due to racism and misunderstandings. My daughter is part Swedish and part Albanian and she has no real friends and everyone pics on her as soon as there is a missunderstanding of any sort in a group. This is very sad .

About the Water you are correct . They have been testing the water recently in different swedish communities and found that it is very bad .It contains a lot of waist materials from both chemicals and urine and such. Many people in sweden experience headaches and loss of teeths.
I do not think that you are being paranoid at all

[Anders Lindman]

Seriously, as an inmigrant living here in Sweden for one year...I felt this society really opressive. It's a kind of auto-censorship of every person cause they feel observed all of the time.Talking to them, and asking them why they are so scared of everything, they said that is bad considered to be different from the average, that this is something that they teach since you are a child, the school, family...
Some things are really strange...I'm talking about government and its laws, ministries and institutions. And of course, I think that the government with its laws cause more and more distrust and hate against inmigrants.
Now I know that even my participation in this forum will be controlled soon for someone here in Sweden. And as an inmigrant I'm the perfect person to blame. Scary...
And now I want to ask you about something, I have my suspects...since I arrived here, I feel very tired (not because of the dark, summer is the same),sleepy most of the time, with strange allergies and frequent headaches. I suspect from the water. Am I a paranoic? Can be this possible? you know what I mean...

In the past the water in Sweden has been very good, except for the chlorine in it. There's no fluoride in the tap water (as far as I know :confused:), but the chlorine could probably be toxic, especially for people who are extra sensitive to that chemical.

[livingthislife]

You are not beeing paranoid. If you are the slightest different in Sweden its considerd bad. And imigrants have a hard time due to racism and misunderstandings. My daughter is part Swedish and part Albanian and she has no real friends and everyone pics on her as soon as there is a missunderstanding of any sort in a group. This is very sad .

About the Water you are correct . They have been testing the water recently in different swedish communities and found that it is very bad .It contains a lot of waist materials from both chemicals and urine and such. Many people in sweden experience headaches and loss of teeths.
I do not think that you are being paranoid at all




I'm really sorry about your daughter and I understand everything you say. It's sad, really sad, but here people still continue classifying people by the color of skin or nationality (blood). When I came here I thought that this was a free country where the classes didn't exist...but in some months I realized that there is a kind of bureaucratic pyramid that control the life of the citizens. The bureaucratic pyramid is the base of the system and the one that decide every little aspect from your daily life.The persons that I know, swedes and no swedes, that criticise this pyramid, always have a hard time.
Propaganda is in everyday life, newspapers, tv. Everyday I see the police picking up homeless and drunk or persons that are begging..they take them into a police car, and I wonder where they go...
I don't know what to do about the water...now I understand these headaches and this about feeling tired and sleepy, it's exasperating..and it's really interesting what you said about the teeths...cause since I live here I have problems with gums and pain in teeths.

[Anders Lindman]

Here is a PDF document about the water in Stockholm:

http://www.stockholmvatten.se/Stockholmvatten/commondata/rapporter/english/drinking_water_quality_2007eng.pdf

It says: Fluoride <0.20 mg/l. That sounds like a massive amount! :eek:

It could be a good idea to do some research about this and compare that fluoride level with tap water in other countries.

[Anders Lindman]

I found these levels for tap water in Canada:

"Many communities in Southwestern Ontario have fluoride concentration levels well in excess of the Health Canada maximum acceptable contaminant level (MAC) of 1.5mg/L, such as Stratford (2.1mg/L), Sebringville (2.76mg/L), Chepstow (1.89mg/L), Mitchell (1.93mg/L), to name a few."

http://www.cambridgenow.ca/npps/story.cfm?id=1067

These are much higher levels that 0.2 mg/l but still I thought there was virtually no fluoride in the water here in Sweden. There is even a law against fluoridation of water:

"In 1952, Norrköping in Sweden became one of the first cities in Europe to fluoridate its water supply.[77] It was declared illegal by the Swedish Supreme Administrative Court in 1961, re-legalized in 1962[78] and finally prohibited by the parliament in 1971,[79] after considerable debate. The parliament majority said that there were other and better ways of reducing tooth decay than water fluoridation. Four cities received permission to fluoridate tap water when it was legal.[80] An official commission was formed, which published its final report in 1981. They recommended other ways of reducing tooth decay (improving food and oral hygiene habits) instead of fluoridating tap water. They also found that many people found fluoridation to impinge upon personal liberty/freedom of choice, and that the long-term effects of fluoridation were not sufficiently known. They also lacked a good study on the effects of fluoridation on formula-fed infants."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation

[mariag]

You are not beeing paranoid. If you are the slightest different in Sweden its considerd bad. And imigrants have a hard time due to racism and misunderstandings. My daughter is part Swedish and part Albanian and she has no real friends and everyone pics on her as soon as there is a missunderstanding of any sort in a group. This is very sad .

About the Water you are correct . They have been testing the water recently in different swedish communities and found that it is very bad .It contains a lot of waist materials from both chemicals and urine and such. Many people in sweden experience headaches and loss of teeths.
I do not think that you are being paranoid at all




I'm really sorry about your daughter and I understand everything you say. It's sad, really sad, but here people still continue classifying people by the color of skin or nationality (blood). When I came here I thought that this was a free country where the classes didn't exist...but in some months I realized that there is a kind of bureaucratic pyramid that control the life of the citizens. The bureaucratic pyramid is the base of the system and the one that decide every little aspect from your daily life.The persons that I know, swedes and no swedes, that criticise this pyramid, always have a hard time.
Propaganda is in everyday life, newspapers, tv. Everyday I see the police picking up homeless and drunk or persons that are begging..they take them into a police car, and I wonder where they go...
I don't know what to do about the water...now I understand these headaches and this about feeling tired and sleepy, it's exasperating..and it's really interesting what you said about the teeths...cause since I live here I have problems with gums and pain in teeths.

a lot of bad things has actually happened since we had a shift of political reign . We now have the "Great Alliance " for Goverment and the Economical situation for ordinary people with an ordinary income has become worse and for the people in higher places of course has become better not to mention all the "new" taxes and prices on food and other supplies as for tobacco and alcohol.
Children are getting a ( in my opinion) bad education and the teachers shift all the time.
I think this society is going down the drain actually. This was once a wonderful country with people that had open minds and shared a common interest for eachother and stood up for eachother. Nowadays its all about the money and all about putting yourself as high up the ladder as possible no matter who you might trip on to reach your goal.
I do not like where we are going .

[mariag]

In the past the water in Sweden has been very good, except for the chlorine in it. There's no fluoride in the tap water (as far as I know :confused:), but the chlorine could probably be toxic, especially for people who are extra sensitive to that chemical.
Well I think our water is toxic. I have lost a few teeth so has many people around in a short period of time . We can not relate this loss of teeth to more then the water.

[Anders Lindman]

Well I think our water is toxic. I have lost a few teeth so has many people around in a short period of time . We can not relate this loss of teeth to more then the water.

One thought that hit me was that the chemical testing they do can be correct for the chemicals they test, but what about chemicals they don't test? :confused: Also, what about viruses? They test bacteria, but do they test for all kinds of viruses? Viruses are much smaller than bacteria and probably require advanced testing methods.

[mariag]

One thought that hit me was that the chemical testing they do can be correct for the chemicals they test, but what about chemicals they don't test? :confused: Also, what about viruses? They test bacteria, but do they test for all kinds of viruses? Viruses are much smaller than bacteria and probably require advanced testing methods.

Yes , this is worrying. I think maybe we have to stop drinking water soon or maybe boil it before consuming it

[Anders Lindman]

Yes , this is worrying. I think maybe we have to stop drinking water soon or maybe boil it before consuming it

In Sweden we have been trained very much to trust the government. The same thing in many other countries but I suspect that we in Sweden are in general more blindly trustful than people in most other countries. I have started to question things a lot more. I blame David Icke! :D

[mariag]

In Sweden we have been trained very much to trust the government. The same thing in many other countries but I suspect that we in Sweden are in general more blindly trustful than people in most other countries. I have started to question things a lot more. I blame David Icke! :D

Thanks To David Icke I have become fully aware of what is going on worldwide and I don´t exclude Sweden, I think the whole world is the same . I´m absolutely devestated to see what have become of our world and how robotlike humans are becoming. We are so blind and dictaded and programed to believe anything that the Goverment tells us that it might lead to a terrible outcoming.
I try to talk to my oldest daughter (teenage girl) about NWO and political manipulation, I tell her to not believe anything that she hears just because it is someone way up high telling it. She just nods her head and sigh. When I mention that education is a load of bull she tends to get annoyed and think I´m wrong .

[soulja]

i actually found it harder to educate people over 30 than youngsters.

i dunno maybe it's because i'm in my mid twenties so older generations don't take me serious just because i'm younger than them.

young people on the other hand are very open for alternative information in my experience. of course there are hopless cases aswell, no wonder if you keep in mind with what kind of garbage the youth is bombarded through television, music and so on. it's much worse than the shit i was exposed to when growing up. lol and that means something.

anyway, on topic, in germany the same shit is happening. they can install troyans on your HD and search through your files without you even knowing.
cars will soon be tracked wherever you go and a lot more policestate style legislations are about to be passed. some don't get past the high court but then they just tweak around a bit, try it again and eventually it passes.

[mariag]

i actually found it harder to educate people over 30 than youngsters.

i dunno maybe it's because i'm in my mid twenties so older generations don't take me serious just because i'm younger than them.

young people on the other hand are very open for alternative information in my experience. of course there are hopless cases aswell, no wonder if you keep in mind with what kind of garbage the youth is bombarded through television, music and so on. it's much worse than the shit i was exposed to when growing up. lol and that means something.

anyway, on topic, in germany the same shit is happening. they can install troyans on your HD and search through your files without you even knowing.
cars will soon be tracked wherever you go and a lot more policestate style legislations are about to be passed. some don't get past the high court but then they just tweak around a bit, try it again and eventually it passes.

I can agree with you that people over 30 (I´m 36 BTW) are hard to educate beacuse we have grown into the system so to speak. We think this MATRIX world is real. We believe that what they tell us must be correct , cause men in the nice suits deliver us the food on our table and a humble chair with a magical television set to keep us inside with illusions out of our imagination.We have learnd from an early stage that if we oppose powerful men we get into trouble and not only with the state but with our own friends family etc. It´s like it has been said before on this thread that if we differ from the masses we don´t belong and we are beeing ridiculed and cut off from society .
I have always been a looner and somewhat ridiculed by others beacuse I am different from the crowd , I have ADHD and I do not think like all the rest. While my friends in early childhood was playing with their plastic Barbie Dolls I search for fossiles and for archeological things in our home area.
My friends thought I was a nut and therefore cut me off .
But I have learned from an early stage (thanks to my grand mother and mother) to not care about how other think if what I believe is right for me.
When it comes to children of today it is a different way of educating . They are also grown into the system but they have also got a certain "I do not Care" culture. They are trained to be like this from music , junk tv , form magasines and fashion shows. They also think that money is the key to happiness witch I found very dangerous.

I was attending church just the other day with my oldest daughter ( she had the last day of school before summer holliday) and I was stunned. The girls 15 years of age wore dresses shorter then beyond level. It was almost repulsive, the songs that they played in church was ,from the Lion King (Disney) , Hallluja ( leonard cohen , shrek) and another one that is played a lot on the radio.

It seamed more like a modern MTV music award then an "End of school mass."

The Priest didn´t even mention the name Jesus Christ or God or anything , instead he spoke about MONEY.
He gave away scholarships.

You might not find these things odd , but I do hence I am awake and see things different.
My own mother and I looked at eachother and said if there is a God he sure as Hell do not live in this church. It seemed more like Babylon then a house of humble worship.

[soulja]

I can agree with you that people over 30 (I´m 36 BTW) are hard to educate beacuse we have grown into the system so to speak. We think this MATRIX world is real. We believe that what they tell us must be correct , cause men in the nice suits deliver us the food on our table and a humble chair with a magical television set to keep us inside with illusions out of our imagination.We have learnd from an early stage that if we oppose powerful men we get into trouble and not only with the state but with our own friends family etc. It´s like it has been said before on this thread that if we differ from the masses we don´t belong and we are beeing ridiculed and cut off from society .

you mentioned a key thing here imo. the fear of getting in trouble with one's family and friends. that's even stronger than the fear of powerfull institutions like government and so on. the main problem is and always was our dividedness. if people would be united government would loose all it's power and just couldn't do anything less then excercise the will of the people.

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I have always been a looner and somewhat ridiculed by others beacuse I am different from the crowd , I have ADHD and I do not think like all the rest. While my friends in early childhood was playing with their plastic Barbie Dolls I search for fossiles and for archeological things in our home area.
My friends thought I was a nut and therefore cut me off .
But I have learned from an early stage (thanks to my grand mother and mother) to not care about how other think if what I believe is right for me.


yea i'm a bit of a loner myself but more because of me wanting it that way rather than being rejected by the crowd. it's jsut hard for me to sit around with people talking about all these non-issues, be it sport, politik as reported by the main news outlets, celebs and all that other ''normal'' stuff people talk about. same goes for relationships, i just can't fall in love with a woman who isn't clued up on things no matter how hot she is.
you had great parents btw.. that's a blessing imo.


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When it comes to children of today it is a different way of educating . They are also grown into the system but they have also got a certain "I do not Care" culture. They are trained to be like this from music , junk tv , form magasines and fashion shows. They also think that money is the key to happiness witch I found very dangerous.

yea i hear you but in a way they're right, money is a key to happiness because it gives you at least freedom, in a way. no true freedom of course. the system is constructed that way that only enough money will gain you some freedom. as in having not to work 5 to 6 days a week, every week, every month and every year until you're old enough to die.


I was attending church just the other day with my oldest daughter ( she had the last day of school before summer holliday) and I was stunned. The girls 15 years of age wore dresses shorter then beyond level. It was almost repulsive, the songs that they played in church was ,from the Lion King (Disney) , Hallluja ( leonard cohen , shrek) and another one that is played a lot on the radio.

It seamed more like a modern MTV music award then an "End of school mass."

The Priest didn´t even mention the name Jesus Christ or God or anything , instead he spoke about MONEY.
He gave away scholarships.

You might not find these things odd , but I do hence I am awake and see things different.
My own mother and I looked at eachother and said if there is a God he sure as Hell do not live in this church. It seemed more like Babylon then a house of humble worship.

i don't believe anyone could find god in a church, never mind a church like the one you just described. talking to god is imo a personal thing, something one should do in private. personaly i'm more into communicating with my guardian angel because with him/her/it? i know he can hear me. also i know he is around me watching my back. that might sound new agey to some and if there wouldn't have been certain events in my life that showed me quiet clearly that something like a guardian angels exists i would agree with them.

[livingthislife]

I'm happy about reading all the things you write. I'm happy to see that bellow this unreal swedish calm, there are persons that question the system.
I want to share another impression with you. I don't want to be unpolite or something like that. Just I want to share some things about this country, cause since I live here, I'm having some kind of strange feelings. It's like something goes really wrong and people here are like some kind of robots used to do what the goverment wants. I won't share this kind of things if I wasn't really desperate, cause I came to Sweden with the idea of that was one of the best countries in the world. And I'm becoming a sort of lonely person acting as a robot everyday, and I feel worst everyday.
Something more I want to share with you...there is some kind of persons that I called "phantoms". What's a phantom?
I live in a small city here in Sweden. Not very much people compare with the size of the cities of the country I come from.
And then, it happens everyday...you go to the supermarket, bank,..or go for a walk in the forest, whatever, wherever...and there is always someone talking alone, dressing in a strange way, with mental problems, normally age 50-70, but also a lot of women.People just ignore these kind of persons, even when they are shouting...or whatever they do. Everybody ignore each other here. It's like you must be invisible to be accepted. Not even accepted cause you are never accepted.
I mean..this isn't strange. I mean that either in big cities or small towns, there are always persons that have mental disorders. But the surprising for me, is the incredible amount of this kind of persons here in Sweden. I mean, I can meet four or five persons everyday with this kind of behaviour, and there are always different faces.
Another thing that really surprise me...the immense amount of people that I know here that is taking antidepressives. All the people I have met here, or is taking antidepressives, or have taken in any moment of their lives. Doctors prescribe antidepressives so easily!
I don't know what to thing...then the weekend come, and everybody is drunk...is the only moment of the week in which to show some kind of feeling is allowed..and this feeling is just to get drunk.

[mariag]

I'm happy about reading all the things you write. I'm happy to see that bellow this unreal swedish calm, there are persons that question the system.
I want to share another impression with you. I don't want to be unpolite or something like that. Just I want to share some things about this country, cause since I live here, I'm having some kind of strange feelings. It's like something goes really wrong and people here are like some kind of robots used to do what the goverment wants. I won't share this kind of things if I wasn't really desperate, cause I came to Sweden with the idea of that was one of the best countries in the world. And I'm becoming a sort of lonely person acting as a robot everyday, and I feel worst everyday.
Something more I want to share with you...there is some kind of persons that I called "phantoms". What's a phantom?
I live in a small city here in Sweden. Not very much people compare with the size of the cities of the country I come from.
And then, it happens everyday...you go to the supermarket, bank,..or go for a walk in the forest, whatever, wherever...and there is always someone talking alone, dressing in a strange way, with mental problems, normally age 50-70, but also a lot of women.People just ignore these kind of persons, even when they are shouting...or whatever they do. Everybody ignore each other here. It's like you must be invisible to be accepted. Not even accepted cause you are never accepted.
I mean..this isn't strange. I mean that either in big cities or small towns, there are always persons that have mental disorders. But the surprising for me, is the incredible amount of this kind of persons here in Sweden. I mean, I can meet four or five persons everyday with this kind of behaviour, and there are always different faces.
Another thing that really surprise me...the immense amount of people that I know here that is taking antidepressives. All the people I have met here, or is taking antidepressives, or have taken in any moment of their lives. Doctors prescribe antidepressives so easily!
I don't know what to thing...then the weekend come, and everybody is drunk...is the only moment of the week in which to show some kind of feeling is allowed..and this feeling is just to get drunk.

You are not beeing unpolite , it´s so true the things you talk about and it is so sad. They treat depressed people and mentaly ill very badly here.
And it is indeed a silent country. Things that goes on it goes on behind doors and people don´t tend to be willing to help others the way that they do in other countrys and cultures that I am familiar with.

[Anders Lindman]

Many people in sweden experience headaches and loss of teeths.

Loss of teeth? :eek: I just did a search on the web and there are people who grow a third set of teeth!!! It seems to be a genetic trait, but maybe that's not the whole truth. Could it be possible for everybody to grow new teeth? :confused: Instead of dentists putting fake teeth in they could promote the growth of new teeth? That would be pretty cool. :cool::D

[element]

I don't really know much about Sweden. When you look at the statistics it always shows it's one of the healthier and good organised country's in the world? And how religious are Swedish people, Scandinavians always look very atheistic to me, I could be wrong..

[Anders Lindman]

I don't really know much about Sweden. When you look at the statistics it always shows it's one of the healthier and good organised country's in the world? And how religious are Swedish people, Scandinavians always look very atheistic to me, I could be wrong..

The religion is Sweden is Christianity, but many people are not very religious nowadays and many people are atheists. Probably similar to the U.K. In America there seems to be a lot more fundamental Christians.

[Anders Lindman]

Could it be possible for everybody to grow new teeth?

One way of testing this is to use Bruce Lipton's biology of belief. If I believe I can grow new teeth, then I will. Instead of going to the dentist, to grow new teeth. A piece of cake. :D