In need of 'True' History

[siliconpsychosis]

Although I have read a lot about various conspiracies, whenever I discuss these things with sceptics, my inability to express these ideas coherently makes changing peoples opinions more difficult.

Recently I was discussing World War 2 with some friends who believe in the 'official' version of events. Hitler was a bad boy, he killed zillions of jews, tried taking over the world, the allies saved the world blah blah etc etc.
Obviously my attempt to change their opinions by suggesting the following points was met with rejection -

- Did Hitler really kill millions of Jews? Wheres the evidence,

- The world superpowers were all working for the same side - NWO

- Hitler did not lose the war, the NWO won the war

- There are no countries, only people with power that use countries for their own agenda.

I was hoping someone out there may know where I can find concise 'true' versions of important events in history, such as World War 2 so that in future discussions all my points connect and make sense to others. I may then be able to get through the brainwashing. Any suggestions?

[tru3]

i can't think of a place to get that kind of stuff.

sometimes, a picture is worth a thousand words.

if they're interested in the wtc, show them the "ultimate 911 conspiracy" trailer, for example

The Ultimate Con - 911 - YouTube

people are operating from within their own paradigm, always. i find when i go over to their side of the fence, and approach the whole topic from "what's bothering YOU", they are more open to alternative interpretation.

[hagbard_celine]

Have you noticed something about the word "History". It can be split into two words "hi" and "story". "Hi" is short for "high" in expresssions like "hi-fi". A synonym of "high" is "tall". So "History" becomes...

"Tall Story". :eek:

[gordonfreeman]

lol, histories with no true values.

I highly suggest people to watch the Ultimate 9/11 conspiracy documentary.

[becky]

IMO, I think the reason most people won't admit that the history as we have been taught is a lie is the simple reason they do not want to believe they could be deceived. It is the same with whatever religion they have been taught. Who wants to believe their parents told them lies? Sadly, a certain amount of misplaced pride and arrogance is involved. We have been brainwashed to be religious flag wavers that should be patriots and proud of our glowing past. People who blind themselves will never see. Here in the USA, most don't even know the truth about the founding fathers and still proclaim they were all christians! That is so false, but a sacred cow with the multitudes. I want the truth no matter what it may be. I would rather face the real facts now than find out when it is too late. The truth will be the truth no matter who denies it.

[wormhole]

Hello to all...

Becky , I can recommend 'The Mind Chronicles Trilogy' by Barbara Hand-Clow these books gave me a good idea of 'his-story' but from a female perspective , so it was more like 'her-story'.
Amazon.com: The Mind Chronicles: A Visionary Guide into Past Lives (9781591430667): Barbara Hand Clow: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2BCUdySGcL.@@AMEPARAM@@51%2BCUdySGcL :)

[tinmenace]

Hey Sil,

Ask them to read David's books "The Biggest Secret (http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=12)" and also "...And The Truth Shall Set You Free (http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=5)".

If they still don't get it after reading those books, then they never will.

[becky]

Hello to all...

Becky , I can recommend 'The Mind Chronicles Trilogy' by Barbara Hand-Clow these books gave me a good idea of 'his-story' but from a female perspective , so it was more like 'her-story'.
http://www.amazon.com/Mind-Chronicles-Visionary-Guide-Lives/dp/1591430666 :)

Thanks, I will check that out. I do know what you mean my 'his-story'. Also, I am reading The Biggest Secret now. What a book!!!!! Everyone on the planet should read it.

[god is love]

Firstly you must be gentle in your awareness of your adversary. That is to say does your adversay have the intellectual capacity to reason, abstract,consider, contemplate & understand ? If not then there is no point in discussing anything with those people .
If you believe your adversary is intellectually capable then explaining things from the begining wont work. Looking back from our point in History to another usually leads to jumping in and then looking forward back to our point and trying to make sense of it all.
However what is last is first what is first is last so unroll the magic carpet of History and explain instance by instance what happened .This must be done from our perspective here and now. This of course is not
the minute details of events or Battles or Politics. Simply put explain result, motive , who benefits, who profits, who controls , who invents ,who supports etc

Hitler was a nut that hated Jews & exterminated them etc etc is TRUE .
Yes the allies fought the Nut Hitler defeated his Evil Empire and liberated Western Europe & the Jews. True.

But all of that is irrelevant to understanding the true nature of the past. The Theatre of History is Theatre.The Theatre of War is Theatre !!! The actors on the Stage are famous & notable but they are not the Directors or Producers, nor do they own the Theatre nor do they Finance the production in the Theatre.

History is simply the observable audience orientated view of the Past.
The factual reality of History is in fact "Who runs the Show."

Thus look behind the curtains look around the Theatre of History & you will glimpse the real management STAGE Management. Stage names are not real names . Dates & times are often scheduled .The Metphor of History is illusion for the unthinking.

[cruise4]

I sympathise. When I was new to all this stuff I was frustrated I didn't know it all and seemingly couldn't find 'concise'. I now realise uncovering the true history etc. is a mammoth mammoth task requiring much research, reading and thinking. There is the odd shortcut, but its STUDY thats needed I'm afraid. But try to avoid becoming a scholar at the expense of all else because action is needed.

[garth]

Fore info on WW2 check out Ezra Pounds book
http://www.usa-the-republic.com/banks/index.html

details the federal reserve and the creating & support of WW2 by bankers from USA & UK..all in the name of money..

[cruise4]

"IMO, I think the reason most people won't admit that the history as we have been taught is a lie is the simple reason they do not want to believe they could be deceived."

Absolutely right... you get the impression they want to shoot the messenger
(why messenger and not messeger), at times. One really good bit of solid evidence about something does open the door though.

[mk72]

Check out these websites for research into alternative history.:)

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/master_file/masterfile.htm#INDEX
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_temas2.htm#sociopolitica
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/regulars/mtsarion.html
http://www.originsandoracles.com/
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/index.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/giants/giants.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/index.htm
http://www.ufoartwork.com/
http://www.feri.com/dawn/sons_of_god.html
http://www.slavespecies.com/index.asp
http://www.sherryshriner.com/angels/legend_fallen_angels.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/ssm/index.htm
http://www.alternativescience.com/forbidden-science.htm
http://www.geocities.com/saqatchr/page46.html
http://www.mysticlink.com/
http://www.bibleufo.com/
http://theforbiddenknowledge.com/
http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/vril/index.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/bcolony.htm
http://www.applejax.com/kimball_college/page.html?chapter=0&id=2
http://www.loggia.com/myth/myth.html
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/mythlinks.html
http://www.crystalinks.com/greece.html
http://www.mythinglinks.org/ct~NatureSpirits.html
http://www.greatdreams.com/myth.htm
http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/anotes.htm
http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/
http://www.ianlawton.com/index.htm
http://www.hunkler.com/pyramids/pyramid_symbolism.html
http://www.friesian.com/notes/oldking.htm
http://www.thecreativeuniverse.org/
http://www.crichtonmiller.com/the_serpent_of_wisdom.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/3713/egypt.html
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/6082/index.html

[megafish33]

It's not a terribly big mystery. This wasn't THAT long ago, there are documents, and people to tell their stories. Yes, millions died, it was racist and mass murder and wrong, Zionist pigs or not. Where there worse murders, sure. One is being carried out today at a rate much faster than what Hitler was doing with Jewish people. Doesn't not mean it's a "hoax." It h-a-p-p-e-n-e-d. If you don't believe it to be so, get over yourself and get a life. If you have trouble with the number, six, five, three, one million, one live, they're were all atrocities that should have never happened. Some of you naysayers should go out and actually find someones grandpa who survived that hell, listen to their story, and then see if you can still tell them in there face that it didn't happen. You'll also find Jews that agree with most conspiracy nuts that the number may have been, indeed, inflated so it could have been taken advantage of. This is not "conspiracy," its what any group of people, blacks, whites, Asians, etc., would do too. And of course you will also find people that say there were a lot more killed than the reported amount.

Hope I don't come across as an a-hole lol.... sometimes its hard to tell tone over the web. :)