Large Hadron Collider

[lottie]

Anyone know of any 'results' of the LHC's experiments/collection of data to date? Apparently they started her up in November last year but ive not seen /heard anything since....been watching a few doco's about it recently but cant find anything recent about it....

For those who arn't aware of it........
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=s9XotvwgnaY

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LHC

anyone have any good info?:)

[krakhead]

There have been several delays in it being started up. Now looks like August for it's first collision! Making the date --/08/08, it'll be interesting to see if it does start up on the 8th!

http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/LHC-en.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider

[pac3lli]

8/8/8 eh?

According to noted occult author W. Wynn Westcott in the book, "Numbers: Their Occult Power and Mystic Virtues" (1890, pgs. 85-87), 8 means:

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The Ogdoad. 8. Is the first cube of energy, and is the only evenly even number within the decad. The Greeks thought it an all-powerful number; they had a Proverb "all things are eight."

Camerarius, in his edition of the Arithmetic of Nicomachus, called it Universal Harmony, because musical ratios are distinguished by this number.

..

Hence the Ogdoad was also called "Cadmeia," because Harmony was looked upon as the wife of Cadmus; and Cadmus meant the Sub-lunary World, as Olympiodorus says. Eight was called also Mother, and Rhea, Cybele and Dindymene, from being the first cube, and a cube representing the earth.

The eight persons saved from the flood of Xisuthrus are synonyms of many octaves of gods, such as the 8 Cabiri great gods of Samothrace; see Bryant and Faber on this myth.

There are 8 Beatitudes of the Christian religion, Matthew, chap. v.

Eight is the number of the Moons of Saturn.

There have been several Masonic orders concerned with this Noachite Ogdoad, as the Prussian masons, Knights of the Royal Axe, or Prince of Libanus, the Noachites, and the Royal Ark Mariners, which is a subsidiary order to the Mark Master Masons.

Macrobius says the Ogdoad was the type of Justice, because it consists of evenly even numbers, and on account of its equal divisions.

John Heydon tells us that 8 events befall the Damned, and that there are 8 rewards of the Blessed.

The number 8 was sacred to Dionysos, who was born at the 8th month; the isle of Naxos was dedicated to him and it was granted to the women of Naxos, that their children born in the 8th month should live, whereas it is usual for such to die, although those born in either the 7th or the 9th month are usually reared.

The Jews were accustomed to practice Circumcision on male infants upon the 8th day after birth.

The Jews at the Chanucah or Feast of Dedication lit 8 candles, and it lasted 8 days. This is the Engkainia of John x. 22. As to conjuring among the ancient Jews, it is said in Talmud, Succah, 53. 1, that Levi played with 8 knives; Samuel in the presence of the King Sapor of Persia used 8 cups, and Abaji before Rabbi Rava used 8 eggs.

Eight prophets were descended from Rahab the Harlot, viz., Neraiah, Seraiah, Maasiah, Jeremiah, Hilkiah, Hannemeel, and Shallum. Note also that Huldah the prophetess was the grandchild of Rahab.

The last 8 verses of Deuteronomy, The Mosaic Law, The Pentateuch, were written by Joshua. Bava Bathra, 14. 1.

Rabbi Nathan states that there were 8 sects of the Pharisees: but both of the Talmuds (Jerusalem and Babylon) name only seven. It is prophesied that the Harps which will be played on earth before the Messiah will have 8 strings. Erachin, 13. 2.

As seven was the number of the original Creation, so 8, says W. F. Shaw, may be considered as the Day of Regeneration. Eight souls were saved in the Ark of Noah, and Noah was the 8th in descent, his name was Nvch=8 times 8=64.

888 is the special number of Jesus Christ as "He who is the Resurrection and the Life." He is the great opponent of the 666, the number of the Beast, the number of a Man.

The ancient Chinese writings refer to 8 musical sounds, the Pah-yin. (G. Schlegel.)

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[hagbard_celine]

Nice to see you back, Lottie!:)

I was wondering when we'd hear any news from this.

Here's a bloke who's determinded that it will never be switched on for safety's sake! http://www.petitiononline.com/stopLHC/petition.html

http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm They’ve even written a song! The risks might be small, but the consequences of anything going wrong are so terrible that I wonder if it's worth it, just satisfy our curiosity. If these scientists want to see a Higgs Boson then why don't they just drop some acid? Then one will appear before them illuminated, surrounded by light and introduce itself!

I'm intensely repelled from the idea that we've got to wait to be saved by divine intervention, the Messiah, or god-like aliens coming down from the sky etc. I've always believed that we humans are masters of our own destiny and therefore our own saviours. On the other hand, if we're heading for destruction and we can't stop it and some friendly passing hyperdimensional being offers to lend a hand then I'll happily swallow my pride and accept! The Disclosure Project witnesses have confirmed that there are numerous times when UFO's have interfered with nuclear weapons tests and missile launches; let’s hope they're on standby to provide their services again!

The most sinister aspect to the LHC though has to be a worry that first came to my attention when I listened to a Coast-to-Coast show with Jeff Rense, the details of which I can’t quite recall. Jeff said words to the effect of: “If the Illuminati know that they’ve lost, that their domination is over and the New World Order can’t be achieved, then they’re the kind of people who would destroy the Earth before letting free people have it”. I can see where Jeff is coming from. I’ve observed this kind of dog-in-the-manger attitude at all levels of human conflict. They would certainly do it! Even if it meant their own destruction! Ideally they’d like the world to live on under their jackboot, but if they couldn’t have that then they would destroy the Earth out of spite. They would rather we all went down together than allow the world to live on in freedom. I call this "Gotterdammerung". The Illuminati is notoriously self-glorifying and arrogant and failure is something they've never before had to consider; they see the NWO as their birthright and inevitable destiny. But the way the world is going today, some elements of the Loomies must be beginning to understand that their game is reaching its end. Human consciousness is getting wise to them and starting to fight back. Could the LHC have been developed out of a part of their reaction to this? (One part? Are there other parts?) A part that they have created secretly, allowing the innocent scientists, unaware that they have really been coopted into creating a Doomsday Device? If they have then I can only once again pray for a miracle, and appeal for aid from the many friendly intelligences out there that have the power to stop this. If any of them are reading this, then please help us out!

[lookfar]

William Henry has some interesting comments on it too, here (http://www.williamhenry.net/art_dis-cerning.html).

[2013]

Hey HC interesting idea regarding the big bang part two .If they blew it all up and we all went out at once then wouldn't the consciousness of the majority of us go to the same place ? or perhaps this is the 2012 scenario we all go to our own version of heaven in spirit .Group heavens for each religion and another for the non believers perhaps some would continue on unaware that it had all blown up .Maybe that is where we are if it all happened in the blinking of an eye how would we know if the group mind experienced the same thing is this perhaps what we have always been working towards an awareness of this fact we are Free because the 3 D model is gone but we keep repeating an echo of it .If we are out of alignment with the galaxy we are supposed to be part of then perhaps this is what threw us out .All the mythology points to a time of a mass destruction , maybe we are getting closer to the time we realize this and all time ends because we can be free to be infinite :D

[krakhead]

Group heavens for each religion and another for the non believers

A guy dies and goes to heaven. He gets to the pearly gates and St. Peter is there to welcome him in, and takes him on a guided tour.

As they're walking around this guy notices an area surrounded by a huge wall, as they get to it St Peter tells him to be quiet.

Once they get past the guy turns to St Peter and asks why they had to be quiet.

Oh, we just went past the Christian enclosure, they think they're the only ones up here!

Boom, boom! ;)

[krakhead]

William Henry has some interesting comments on it too, here (http://www.williamhenry.net/art_dis-cerning.html).

I enjoyed that! Very interesting! Thanks :)

[lemonique]

William Henry has some interesting comments on it too, here (http://www.williamhenry.net/art_dis-cerning.html).

Interesting article thanks Lookfar !!

Lemonique

[cruise4]

I don't think they have any plans to blow themselves up. This is where DNA databases, Abductions, Mars, UFO's, NASA lies, clones, super soldiers, transhumanism starts to play a major role. Blow up the earth or kill all life? Its a definite possibility in the mix. Can they do it? Maybe with resonance or movement or stripping the atmosphere. But I think this Hadron thing is going to be a damp squid. Hope I'm wrong because I want something to happen!

[hagbard_celine]

I don't think they have any plans to blow themselves up. This is where DNA databases, Abductions, Mars, UFO's, NASA lies, clones, super soldiers, transhumanism starts to play a major role. Blow up the earth or kill all life? Its a definite possibility in the mix. Can they do it? Maybe with resonance or movement or stripping the atmosphere. But I think this Hadron thing is going to be a damp squid. Hope I'm wrong because I want something to happen!


I think if they knew they'd lost and that the NWO dream was over then they'd destroy the Earth rather than let free people have it. I call this attitude "Gotterdamerung" and it's something we're all capable of. I remember as a small kid scribbling in a book that my mum had just ordered me to give to my brother.

[cruise4]

Here's the latest bulletin, from next Monday.

http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/article?name=CERNBulletin&issue=24/2008&number=1&category=News%20Articles&ln=en

[cruise4]

Yes, I think they could destroy the earth too, but they'd be off it. Same as if there was any truth to the getting back to Draco thing. They'd cheerfully turn round and blow us up as they left.

[hagbard_celine]

Pettition to shut down and dismantle the LHC:

http://www.petitiononline.com/stopLHC/petition.html

[logic bomb]

Webcams on the LHC at CERN
CMS (Compact Muon Solenoid) Webcam

View images from 8 CMS detector webcams (http://cmsinfo.cern.ch/outreach/cmseye/index.html) that are located in the underground cavern at CERN where the detector is being built. The images are on the CERN website and from it you can follow links that show you where in the cavern the cameras are located and take you a page of animations and movies that show how the CMS detector was put together.



http://cmsinfo.cern.ch/outreach/cmseye/eye7.jpg
This image shows the Underground Experimental Cavern from the Geneva end, below the main shaft.

http://cmsinfo.cern.ch/outreach/cmseye/eye9.jpg
This camera is looking at the Plus Side of the Central YB0 Wheel of CMS.

http://cmsinfo.cern.ch/outreach/cmseye/eye10.jpg
This camera is looking Minus Side of the YB0 Central Wheel of CMS.

[krakhead]

I had a dream about the collider the other night, it was going to be started up on the 18th of August. Will have to wait and see I guess!

[hagbard_celine]

Yeah, there's a slight delay.

Ross Hensworth of Now That's Weird is planning to go along to the big start-up!:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

Webcams on the LHC at CERN
CMS (Compact Muon Solenoid) Webcam

View images from 8 CMS detector webcams (http://cmsinfo.cern.ch/outreach/cmseye/index.html) that are located in the underground cavern at CERN where the detector is being built. The images are on the CERN website and from it you can follow links that show you where in the cavern the cameras are located and take you a page of animations and movies that show how the CMS detector was put together.



http://cmsinfo.cern.ch/outreach/cmseye/eye7.jpg
This image shows the Underground Experimental Cavern from the Geneva end, below the main shaft.

http://cmsinfo.cern.ch/outreach/cmseye/eye9.jpg
This camera is looking at the Plus Side of the Central YB0 Wheel of CMS.

http://cmsinfo.cern.ch/outreach/cmseye/eye10.jpg
This camera is looking Minus Side of the YB0 Central Wheel of CMS.


"Behold! The Instrument of Armageddon":confused:

Or just a glorified hula hoop?

[rockit]

I think Alton Towers are getting one next April.

[zander]

When is this being turned on, the last I heard it was ment to be some time this month?

[logic bomb]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/CERN_shiva.jpg

[2013]

They know their stuff these people thats for sure .seems that this could go either way once its fired up .The shiva theme fits a lot of native prophecy that says depending on how we thinkand act we could tip the balance one way or the other .That is always true , i think its just a reminder to do the right thing thats important :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva


Shiva is the destroyer or transformer

Attributes of Shiva

Shiva with Parvati. Shiva is depicted three-eyed, with crescent moon on his head, the Ganga flowing through his matted hair, wearing ornaments of serpents and a skull necklace, covered in ashes and Trisula and Damaru are seen in the background.
Shiva Bearing the Descent of the Ganges River as Parvati and Bhagiratha, and the bull Nandi look, folio from a Hindi manuscript by the saint Narayan, circa 1740Third Eye: Shiva is often depicted with a third eye with which he burned Desire (Kāma) to ashes.[

According to Gavin Flood, "Śiva is a god of ambiguity and paradox", whose attributes include opposing themes.[113] The ambivalent nature of this deity is apparent in some of his names and the stories told about him.


[edit] Destroyer versus benefactor

Shiva carrying the corpse of his consort दाक्षायनि (सती) Dakshayani (Sati).In the Yajurveda two contrary sets of attributes for both malignant or terrific (Sanskrit: rudra) and benign or auspicious (Sanskrit: śiva) forms can be found, leading Chakravarti to conclude that "all the basic elements which created the complex Rudra-Śiva sect of later ages are to be found here."[114] In the Mahabharata, Shiva is depicted as "the standard of invincibility, might, and terror", as well as a figure of honor, delight, and brilliance.[115] The duality of Shiva's fearful and auspicious attributes appears in contrasted names.

[siliconpsychosis]

The LHC secret motto :

'The Universe started with a Big Bang so lets finish it with one'.

[hagbard_celine]

The LHC secret motto :

'The Universe started with a Big Bang so lets finish it with one'.

:D:D:D

:eek:

[nimlyn]

In one of my "End Time" dreams in 2002 I was inside a huge dome holding a statue / model of two men, one dark the other pale. I choose the pale statue which was God. Next! I was in a cathedral type building where the end was being organised. The song “Cheek to Cheek was chosen for the requiem. Next! I saw an American President playing golf who resembled Bill Clinton .

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oWiTxsdR6no

So it is freaky to read all this years’ news about deities and colliders and the retired Clintons…Eek!

But anyways! Here’s a recent news article about the Collider…:)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7468966.stm

[rixxmixxhell]

Sounds like ''Scorched Earth Policy'' - if we can't have it, we'll destroy it attitude.

We must follow what ever news/info we can get of this. Maybe transmute it so it fails or something. Although, that may in fact cause destruction, so, i guess, it's part of the 'plan' - a learning experience. It doesn't mean it's going to be destruction though does it. We may learn massive things from this!! You know, we can't be sure, although i would hazard a guess it's ''too'' dangerous to turn on - too unpredictable. Unless we new for sure, then i think it should be saved for another millennium!!!

Rick

[dangermouse2]

It looks like the shape in the photograph is a dodecagon, a polygon with 12 sides. I think I remember seeing in another photo of the collider an octagon. I wonder if these shapes are arbitrary?

Kurschak's Theorem:

http://agutie.homestead.com/files/kurschak1.html

Perhaps someone with a better understanding of mathematics knows the significance of this? Does it have any practical applications?

http://www.gogeometry.com/Ancestral.htm

Apparently, the shape has some special length to the Incan culture. Here, it was used to decorate a sacrificial knife. Perhaps, also, a reference to the Mayan calendar and 2012 prophecy?

http://agutie.homestead.com/files/Puzzle_12_angles.htm

Some related pages:

http://agutie.homestead.com/files/Welcome_B_incas_13.htm

Occult significance of a dodecagram:

http://www.markdefrates.com/pages/symbola.html

The significance of the number 12 is unmistakable. Perhaps a reference to the Zodiac, astrology, or a symbol of completion?

Half the number of sides makes a hexagon, and by extension, the hexagram:

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/sixpointedstar.html

I don't know why scientists would go along with this. Perhaps they think it will lead to the greater good, like the scientists who leaked A-bomb secrets to the Soviets? I wonder who's funding this thing? What do they hope to accomplish by it? A wormhole? A superweapon? What good will it do them if it makes a 3,000 mile crater in the side of the Earth? Will they really enjoy themselves once most of humanity has been wiped out?

[chattanova]

Thanx for making this thread lottie. It's not much talked about due to the size of this IMO crazy experiment.
Here's a fresh report (pdf) CERN on LHC Safety. http://lsag.web.cern.ch/lsag/LSAG-Report.pdf How trustable is a report like this:confused:

http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/4/6/26/f_nfi20267069m_1cb309b.jpg

A interesting article (norwegian) about all the danger this includes http://www.abcnyheter.no/node/69330

[hagbard_celine]

In one of my "End Time" dreams in 2002 I was inside a huge dome holding a statue / model of two men, one dark the other pale. I choose the pale statue which was God. Next! I was in a cathedral type building where the end was being organised. The song “Cheek to Cheek was chosen for the requiem. Next! I saw an American President playing golf who resembled Bill Clinton .

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oWiTxsdR6no

So it is freaky to read all this years’ news about deities and colliders and the retired Clintons…Eek!

But anyways! Here’s a recent news article about the Collider…:)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7468966.stm

The people trying to stop the LHC admit that high powered collisions of the type carried out in the LHC do happen when the Earth's atmosphere is stuck by cosmic rays, but those collisions aren't dangerous because the mini-black holes and strangelets have enough velocity to fly off into space. Those produced by the LHC do not; they'll be captured in the Earth's gravitational field and accumulate at the centre of the Earth.

[hagbard_celine]

Sounds like ''Scorched Earth Policy'' - if we can't have it, we'll destroy it attitude.



That's what I'm thinking to. I call it a "Gotterdammerung manoeuvre". Some elements of the Illuminati must have twigged by now that they can't win. They'll never have their NWO, and it would be just like tham to destroy the Earth rather than let free humans have it. That's the kind of spiteful attitude that is typical of them.

[rixxmixxhell]

"Gotterdammerung manoeuvre". Huh never heard of that.

It's true, they will fall deeper and deeper into bondage as they realize they will fail, and how bitter that must be, after all, they sold their children and souls for it. I can see it now, being chased from their pathetic mountain retreats as they are flushed out into our waiting hands....Ahh ...isn't ironic, don't ya' think, it's like raieeeaannn, on you wedding day, it's like....yea 'nough of that hehe.

[nimlyn]

Regarding the Hells-gate, I mean Hadron Collider...;)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,373302,00.html

States the following:-

MEYRIN, Switzerland — The most powerful atom-smasher ever built could make some bizarre discoveries, such as invisible matter or extra dimensions in space, after it is switched on in August.

But some critics fear the Large Hadron Collider could exceed physicists' wildest conjectures: Will it spawn a black hole that could swallow Earth? Or spit out particles that could turn the planet into a hot dead clump?

Ridiculous, say scientists at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, known by its French initials CERN — some of whom have been working for a generation on the $5.8 billion collider, or LHC.

"Obviously, the world will not end when the LHC switches on," said project leader Lyn Evans.

David Francis, a physicist on the collider's huge ATLAS particle detector, smiled when asked whether he worried about black holes and hypothetical killer particles known as strangelets.

"If I thought that this was going to happen, I would be well away from here," he said.

The collider basically consists of a ring of supercooled magnets 17 miles in circumference attached to huge barrel-shaped detectors. The ring, which straddles the French and Swiss border, is buried 330 feet underground.

The machine, which has been called the largest scientific experiment in history, isn't expected to begin test runs until August, and ramping up to full power could take months. But once it is working, it is expected to produce some startling findings.

Scientists plan to hunt for signs of the invisible "dark matter" and "dark energy" that make up more than 96 percent of the universe, and hope to glimpse the elusive Higgs boson, a so-far undiscovered particle thought to give matter its mass.

The collider could find evidence of extra dimensions, a boon for superstring theory, which holds that quarks, the particles that make up atoms, are infinitesimal vibrating strings.

The theory could resolve many of physics' unanswered questions, but requires about 10 dimensions — far more than the three spatial dimensions our senses experience.

The safety of the collider, which will generate energies seven times higher than its most powerful rival, at Fermilab near Chicago, has been debated for years. The physicist Martin Rees has estimated the chance of an accelerator producing a global catastrophe at one in 50 million — long odds, to be sure, but about the same as winning some lotteries.

By contrast, a CERN team this month issued a report concluding that there is "no conceivable danger" of a cataclysmic event. The report essentially confirmed the findings of a 2003 CERN safety report, and a panel of five prominent scientists not affiliated with CERN, including one Nobel laureate, endorsed its conclusions.

Critics of the LHC filed a lawsuit in a Hawaiian court in March seeking to block its startup, alleging that there was "a significant risk that ... operation of the Collider may have unintended consequences which could ultimately result in the destruction of our planet."

One of the plaintiffs, Walter L. Wagner, a physicist and lawyer, said Wednesday CERN's safety report, released June 20, "has several major flaws," and his views on the risks of using the particle accelerator had not changed.

On Tuesday, U.S. Justice Department lawyers representing the Department of Energy and the National Science Foundation filed a motion to dismiss the case.

The two agencies have contributed $531 million to building the collider, and the NSF has agreed to pay $87 million of its annual operating costs. Hundreds of American scientists will participate in the research.

The lawyers called the plaintiffs' allegations "extraordinarily speculative," and said "there is no basis for any conceivable threat" from black holes or other objects the LHC might produce. A hearing on the motion is expected in late July or August.

In rebutting doomsday scenarios, CERN scientists point out that cosmic rays have been bombarding the earth, and triggering collisions similar to those planned for the collider, since the solar system formed 4.5 billion years ago.

And so far, Earth has survived.

"The LHC is only going to reproduce what nature does every second, what it has been doing for billions of years," said John Ellis, a British theoretical physicist at CERN.

Critics like Wagner have said the collisions caused by accelerators could be more hazardous than those of cosmic rays.

Both may produce micro black holes, subatomic versions of cosmic black holes — collapsed stars whose gravity fields are so powerful that they can suck in planets and other stars.

But micro black holes produced by cosmic ray collisions would likely be traveling so fast they would pass harmlessly through the earth.

Micro black holes produced by a collider, the skeptics theorize, would move more slowly and might be trapped inside the earth's gravitational field — and eventually threaten the planet.

Ellis said doomsayers assume that the collider will create micro black holes in the first place, which he called unlikely. And even if they appeared, he said, they would instantly evaporate, as predicted by the British physicist Stephen Hawking.

As for strangelets, CERN scientists point out that they have never been proven to exist. They said that even if these particles formed inside the Collider they would quickly break down.

When the LHC is finally at full power, two beams of protons will race around the huge ring 11,000 times a second in opposite directions. They will travel in two tubes about the width of fire hoses, speeding through a vacuum that is colder and emptier than outer space.

Their trajectory will be curved by supercooled magnets — to guide the beams around the rings and prevent the packets of protons from cutting through the surrounding magnets like a blowtorch.

The paths of these beams will cross, and a few of the protons in them will collide, at a series of cylindrical detectors along the ring. The two largest detectors are essentially huge digital cameras, each weighing thousands of tons, capable of taking millions of snapshots a second.

Each year the detectors will generate 15 petabytes of data, the equivalent of a stack of CDs 12 miles tall. The data will require a high speed global network of computers for analysis.

Wagner and others filed a lawsuit to halt operation of the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider, or RHIC, at the Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York state in 1999. The courts dismissed the suit.

The leafy campus of CERN, a short drive from the shores of Lake Geneva, hardly seems like ground zero for doomsday. And locals don't seem overly concerned. Thousands attended an open house here this spring.

"There is a huge army of scientists who know what they are talking about and are sleeping quite soundly as far as concerns the LHC," said project leader Evans.

[hagbard_celine]

"Gotterdammerung manoeuvre". Huh never heard of that.

It's true, they will fall deeper and deeper into bondage as they realize they will fail, and how bitter that must be, after all, they sold their children and souls for it. I can see it now, being chased from their pathetic mountain retreats as they are flushed out into our waiting hands....Ahh ...isn't ironic, don't ya' think, it's like raieeeaannn, on you wedding day, it's like....yea 'nough of that hehe.

I won't be able to supres my satisfaction I think!

But they are just the kind of people who will destroy everything rather accept defeat.

Have you ever read The Magican's Nephew by CS Lewis. It's a prequel to The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. It tells the story of how the evil queen first comes to Narnia. She originally comes from another world, but is inadvetantly brought to Narnia by Digory Kirk, the boy in the story (who grows up to be Professor Kirk from LWAW, the man played by Jim Broadbent in the film). She has wiped out every living thing in her own world by a magic spell called "The Deplorable Word":

The Deplorable Word is a magical curse which, when uttered with the "proper ceremonies", ended all life in the world of Charn except that of the one who speaks it. Lewis does not explicitly link the Deplorable Word to nuclear weapons, but he certainly makes allusions to the power of humanity to destroy itself. Writing in 1955 at the height of the Cold War, Lewis has Aslan say to Digory and Polly, who are from the Victorian era:

“ It is not certain that some wicked one of your race will not find out a secret as evil as the Deplorable Word and use it to destroy all living things. And soon, very soon, before you are an old man and an old woman, great nations of your world will be ruled by tyrants who care no more for joy and justice and mercy than the Empress Jadis (The evil queen from The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe). Let your world beware. That is the warning. ”

When Jadis is awakened, she tells Digory and Polly of a world-wide civil war she fought with her sister. All of Jadis' armies were defeated, having been made to fight to the death of the last soldier, and her sister claimed victory. Then Jadis spoke the horrible curse which her sister knew she had discovered but did not think she would use. A moment later, Jadis says, she was "the only living thing beneath the sun".

The children are shocked by this account, but Jadis has no remorse or pity for all the ordinary people whom she killed; in her eyes, they only existed for her to use, and she blames her sister for, in her view, leaving her with no choice but to invoke the curse. The past rulers of her race, who evidently had not always been evil, knew of the Deplorable Word's existence but not the word itself, and had vowed that none of them, nor their descendants, would seek to discover it. Jadis said she had "learned it in a secret place and paid a terrible price to learn it", though she did not say what the price was. Nor does the book say what the word is, or how it was learned, or what the "proper ceremonies" were that must accompany it. (Source, Wikipedia)


In the book the queen effectively carries out a Gotterdammerung manouevre. She wipes out the entire world rather than let her sister have her victory. That is the mentality of the Illuminati.

[hagbard_celine]

Regarding the Hells-gate, I mean Hadron Collider...;)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,373302,00.html


So it's been knocked back from May to August now.. apocalypse postponed?:D

[nimlyn]

Originally Posted by hagbard_celine

So it's been knocked back from May to August now.. apocalypse postponed?


Yup! In 2001 I experienced a whole bunch of end time dreams pointing towards a specific day and month (14th of September) but no year…Being agnostic I really didn’t know what to think of the dreams but when the events of 9/11 happened I did wonder if there was anything to this spiritual stuff…Anyhow! This year has brought in more of the same kind of dreams that I was having in 2001…The 2008 dreams have included Gabriel, Angels & Orbs, myself being told that my name used to be known as Meridian Oprah and then Gods name being?…Eek! I’ll keep that hushed, as you’ll laugh yours socks off at that one, also mention about Genesis and a giant, dimensional doorways, also a telepathic rod of light that’s concerned about the American satellites sent to its homeland…:eek:

So reading about the HC and the start-up dates which are now getting eerily close to my 2001 dream dates about September the 14th and the end of the world…I do wonder again! Maybe something to it but then again maybe not…:D

[hagbard_celine]

Yup! In 2001 I experienced a whole bunch of end time dreams pointing towards a specific day and month (14th of September) but no year…Being agnostic I really didn’t know what to think of the dreams but when the events of 9/11 happened I did wonder if there was anything to this spiritual stuff…Anyhow! This year has brought in more of the same kind of dreams that I was having in 2001…The 2008 dreams have included Gabriel, Angels & Orbs, myself being told that my name used to be known as Meridian Oprah and then Gods name being?…Eek! I’ll keep that hushed, as you’ll laugh yours socks off at that one, also mention about Genesis and a giant, dimensional doorways, also a telepathic rod of light that’s concerned about the American satellites sent to its homeland…:eek:

So reading about the HC and the start-up dates which are now getting eerily close to my 2001 dream dates about September the 14th and the end of the world…I do wonder again! Maybe something to it but then again maybe not…:D

Hope not.:eek:

But if so I just hope we can do something to stop it. If not maybe some other consciousness will.

As I said, I beleive we're masters of our own destiny, but if the world is going to be destroyed and some friendly passing alien offers to help I'll happily swallow my pride and accept!:D

[nimlyn]

G’day hagbard_celine.

Aye! I have conflicting dreams that suggest I’m still going to be around until 2029 at least so I can’t imagine anything happening this year or anytime soon…Although then again…Maybe my UFO ride off this planet has already been booked for me…Dreams eh! ;)

[rixxmixxhell]

http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/blog/

About it here, some interesting words, please see! - (althouh i don't quote it, i can see how it could be.

Rick

[delamo1999]

I have been reading about this project and truthfully I don't think anything major is going to happen if they decide to follow through with it. Seems like another overpriced toy built at the expense of the planets taxpayers.

:)

[cyberdaemon]

That's what I'm thinking to. I call it a "Gotterdammerung manoeuvre". Some elements of the Illuminati must have twigged by now that they can't win. They'll never have their NWO, and it would be just like tham to destroy the Earth rather than let free humans have it. That's the kind of spiteful attitude that is typical of them.

Soviets and Nazis had this strategy in war when they were loosing that "so we cant have this factory , lets not our enemies to have it neither" , thats why thousands of villages , factories , tens of thousands of cars/tanks and bridges were literally blown up.Just to makes sure nobody will never-ever get to use it either.I remember hitler wanted to blow up basically anything he could in the end of war when it was clear they were loosing , but someone (hess i guess) made him to stop it with an excuse that "once we start taking them back , we would have to rebuild them" , but some times latter the destruction started again.

But in the other hand , they blow the earth up , consciousness survives and now we have a chance to build world from scratch , kind a like giving a clear page!
It would be so cool to build the reality from scratch without anyone telling me what the properties have to be , i promise that my universe will be very different from one exists today , i had many magical elements and superhero comic book characters in it , loads of elements now only exists in movies thanks to cg and visual special effects , from ghost cities (path of the dead from lotr for example) to a people turning into monsters :P Hulk would be REAL , so underworld lycans and vampires! :D Yes yes , doesnt sound like peaceful universe , but i never promised "painless paradise" :P

[hagbard_celine]

http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/blog/

About it here, some interesting words, please see! - (althouh i don't quote it, i can see how it could be.

Rick


Yes, this is very creepy:

CERN Large Hadron Collider Would Have Killed Earth
As I mentioned in the last articles about this monster, it isn’t going to take place. It’s just that simple. Here are my reversals based upon the youtube video that I posted in the last series of reversals

underground tour-1

underground tour-2

underground tour 3

The young British scientist, all smiles and enthusiasm is working on a project that could have sentenced us all to death. How charming. None of the (cloned) participants seem to be the least bit concerned that their little experiment might go awry. Maybe they express concerns in private, but in public, its all just great.

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Well let’s see what would have happened if they were to push forward with it:

The following reversals all came from this section of forward audio:


Reverse:

Now get scared.


Reverse:

Have here a blowup. Have struts in your head. (Well now that doesn’t sound like much fun.)


Reverse:

Hell as overlap (I believe this means when the protons actually collide)

hell-as-overlap


Reverse:


Reverse:

Made the air get little, it’s hot (a little disjointed, but to the point, little air and lots of heat. This doesn’t bode well for Earth life)


Reverse:

And evil, look at the dead.


Reverse:

Everything else is shit


Reverse:

Yell, holocaust


Reverse:

Then we perish.


Reverse:

See this will be a culling. (Yes, the agenda is not just some naïve, overly optimistic scientists playing with our existence, this is a very nasty plan and the planners know exactly what would happen)



Reverse:

Rep heading out, I know he built it (We often call the reptilians reps.)

The next 2 reversals came from that first forward at the beginning of this article:


Reverse:

I see a battle (The One is taking care of business)


Reverse:

Hazard will disappear


(This next reversal is not too clear. I heard Yosemini and it sounds like the speaker has a bit of a lisp, but I’m putting it up and the next one which continues the thought. I do believe the reps also had plans to set off the super volcano and it sounds like some technology emanating from Edwards Air Force Base would have been the trigger. See what you think:)


Reverse:

Yosemini, Elf burst (Elf is a reptilian minion)


(Here is the longer version of that reversal:)

Reverse:

Yosemini Elf burst, out of Edward’s nest.

(I think that Edwards Air Force base is not too far from the Park, but my geography is sketchy at best and I didn’t have time to really research this.

The next 3 reversals all came together. I’m splitting them up to make them easier to understand.)


Reverse:

Light end it; He loves (The light of the Creator of course.)

Reverse:

He loves, save, for August


Reverse:

Heal, light end it. He loves, save for August.
and finally:

Reverse:

Zoo out, He had enough (we’ve all had more than enough of this race.)

zoo-out-he-had-enough

[hagbard_celine]

Soviets and Nazis had this strategy in war when they were loosing that "so we cant have this factory , lets not our enemies to have it neither" , thats why thousands of villages , factories , tens of thousands of cars/tanks and bridges were literally blown up.Just to makes sure nobody will never-ever get to use it either.I remember hitler wanted to blow up basically anything he could in the end of war when it was clear they were loosing , but someone (hess i guess) made him to stop it with an excuse that "once we start taking them back , we would have to rebuild them" , but some times latter the destruction started again.

But in the other hand , they blow the earth up , consciousness survives and now we have a chance to build world from scratch , kind a like giving a clear page!
It would be so cool to build the reality from scratch without anyone telling me what the properties have to be , i promise that my universe will be very different from one exists today , i had many magical elements and superhero comic book characters in it , loads of elements now only exists in movies thanks to cg and visual special effects , from ghost cities (path of the dead from lotr for example) to a people turning into monsters :P Hulk would be REAL , so underworld lycans and vampires! :D Yes yes , doesnt sound like peaceful universe , but i never promised "painless paradise" :P

I'd like to make a world with Hobbits and Elves in.

But I do love this world really and hope it won't happen.:(

[rixxmixxhell]

Hagbard, what do you think about the reverse speech you posted?? Do you hold any reservations about it? I tend to recognise the strength of reverse speech - but i feel because it is still an infant science - their ''proof' against it being manipulatable i feel is wrong, the peoples own denile system pushes that one to the side - evidently they vehemently refuse to acknowledge it or at least, consider it more so. It is dangerous to assume such a thing. People who don't understand science is one thing, science being another from of indoctrination and ignoring it is another. Science does work, but not as most scholars know, the scientific and spiritual worlds never meet , not even nearly, so we must know how to use science but still be aware some things science can't tell us.

So with that i am sure their are truths and rights in it, but also i am aware it may be wrong, simply, - or outright new age type psyop. Although science can't explain this as yet - or at least we do not know about it, does not mean it is right to think reverse speech is infallible - just because it can't be proved, as yet. So weighing up both sides of the science/spiritual coin - they still claim to 'know' it, all the wile 'denying' 'it'. They say it's infallible - yet seem to recognise it is a science used with spiritual ends?

Did i make any sense ?

I have concerns more so about the actual people who follow it like they are some sort of world saviours about to receive some light sabres and run around the world with their God destroying Reps and all will be jolly good....well thats how i have observed them to be like.

I feel they are living in some dangerous dream world, all the wile they think they are fighting, they are mearly being another side of the new age type coin.
I know it's not strictly new age, but to easily express how i feel about it i need to use such labels.

Well, by doing this thinking they are going to be 'saved' at the last minute, they are doing what every other person who 'thinks' they are awake does, and that stand by and wait for some one or something to come save them. This breeds hippie type attitudes and will just be another page in the book of destroyed people who thought they new.

Rick

P.S - some of the people from the blog of Reverse speech - i posted 3 times, by the forth post i was accused of being a Rep FFS!!

Then theres a few who chat to each other through like code words, knowing others are reading the post - this i feel lets them feed their ego of being the so-called chosen ones. We was here first type attitude, look at us,we are a special blah blah.

And to add - most of them would be the worst people to have near you in case of real trouble - why? Because most of the regulars there are all weak and living in some dream world. Fantasy left aside, i think their deniles use the reverse speech as a way of not really facing what may be in front of us.
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A quote from the site......
'''And the last audio is from an Iranian Video on the missile test. None of it is in English, so I’m not bothering with the short forwards. For new people RS will communicate in the language of the listener even if the speaker can’t speak the language. This isn’t just English, but any language. This is another clue as to just how brilliant RS really is.

REALLY..................... So how does the recorder know who is listening?? This makes it all the more pathetic as i go...really doent do it any favours writing shit like that.

[hagbard_celine]

Rick, to tell you the truth I don't know:confused:. However it is possible that reverse speech is true. I doubt if it will ever be an exact science; the scandal of the Beatles' Sergeant Pepper LP and the Judas Priest lawsuit showed that. However, it was discovered long ago by Freud and Jung that subconscious thouhts manifest in our open behavior without our knowledge, often in the most amazing ways. This is what the "Freudian slip" is, as a most common example. Research into how the brain picks up subliminals shows that its subconcious cogitative and perceptive powers far outstrip its conscious thought and ego-state.

But this doesn't mean that Cox is part of the LHC conspiracy! Not at all!:eek: It could be that during his interview, the debate over the safety concerns of the LHC might have been on his mind as he was talking, and that this manifested in his outward behavior as the reverse speech that the above blogger detected.

[cyberdaemon]

Rick, to tell you the truth I don't know:confused:. However it is possible that reverse speech is true. I doubt if it will ever be an exact science; the scandal of the Beatles' Sergeant Pepper LP and the Judas Priest lawsuit showed that. However, it was discovered long ago by Freud and Jung that subconscious thouhts manifest in our open behavior without our knowledge, often in the most amazing ways. This is what the "Freudian slip" is, as a most common example. Research into how the brain picks up subliminals shows that its subconcious cogitative and perceptive powers far outstrip its conscious thought and ego-state.

But this doesn't mean that Cox is part of the LHC conspiracy! Not at all!:eek: It could be that during his interview, the debate over the safety concerns of the LHC might have been on his mind as he was talking, and that this manifested in his outward behavior as the reverse speech that the above blogger detected.

*IF* there is a conspiracy then he is just a tool , whos naive beliefs are that nothing can go wrong.Kind a reminds me story of every second sci-fi shooter where some "safe" test goes wrong and alien invasion or demons or whatever appear as result.Doom and Half-Life for example.But in other hand i woulnt expect armies of monsters to storm trough gateway to the earth and kill us ;)

[logic bomb]

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc1.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc2.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc3.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc4.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc5.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc6.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc7.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc8.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc9.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc10.jpg

[logic bomb]

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc11.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc12.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc13.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc14.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc15.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc16.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc17.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc18.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc19.jpg

[logic bomb]

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc20.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc21.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc22.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc23.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc24.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc25.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc26.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc27.jpg

[lookfar]

Fooking hell that thing is HUGE!!:eek: Great pics there LB, do you have the link where you're getting them from?:)

Is there any more news on the timeline?

[logic bomb]

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC), a 27 kilometer (17 mile) long particle accelerator straddling the border of Switzerland and France, is nearly set to begin its first particle beam tests. The European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) is preparing for its first small tests in early August, leading to a planned full-track test in September - and the first planned particle collisions before the end of the year. The final step before starting is the chilling of the entire collider to -271.25 C (-456.25 F). Here is a collection of photographs from CERN, showing various stages of completion of the LHC and several of its larger experiments (some over seven stories tall), over the past several years.

[hagbard_celine]

*IF* there is a conspiracy then he is just a tool , whos naive beliefs are that nothing can go wrong.Kind a reminds me story of every second sci-fi shooter where some "safe" test goes wrong and alien invasion or demons or whatever appear as result.Doom and Half-Life for example.But in other hand i woulnt expect armies of monsters to storm trough gateway to the earth and kill us ;)

Cox is very naive. Have you seen the out-take from Horizon where he's discussing the moon hoax?

[hagbard_celine]

LB, it reminds me of a villain's lair from a James Bond film! In those films the villain is usually working on some insane plot to destroy the world!:eek:;)

[hagbard_celine]

Has anyone seen The Mist?

http://www.themist-movie.com/

It's a very frightening and gruesome horror movie set in a small seaside town. A think mist comes rolling and covers the town, and in the mist are hidden monsters from another world that begin attacking the people. The locals have to take refuge in the village supermarket. It turns out that there's a secret government laboratory nearby that's managed to create a "stargate" to another dimension. It's based on the Stephen King short story of the same name.

This is a bit extreme you might think (and hope!), but the truth of the matter is that it is impossible to predict what could happen if you open holes into other worlds. If you're in Geneva when they press the LHC switch and mist appears, get the hell out!

Brain Allen suggested that the Rendlesham Forest incident was exactly what happened in The Mist, if slightly more benign! The Orford Ness laboratory might have accidentally opened a stargate during its radar experiments.

Also could these stargates be opened by natural forces? The aliens found in Varginha, Brazil in 1996 appeared after the worst thunderstorm ever seen in the area.

[lookfar]

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC), a 27 kilometer (17 mile) long particle accelerator straddling the border of Switzerland and France, is nearly set to begin its first particle beam tests. The European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) is preparing for its first small tests in early August, leading to a planned full-track test in September - and the first planned particle collisions before the end of the year. The final step before starting is the chilling of the entire collider to -271.25 C (-456.25 F). Here is a collection of photographs from CERN, showing various stages of completion of the LHC and several of its larger experiments (some over seven stories tall), over the past several years.

Cool, thanks honey:)

[lottie]

Has anyone seen this? It's hilarious (and catchy!!) I love it!! LOL!!! Makes me giggle!!:D:D:cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6aU-wFSqt0

[lookfar]

Has anyone seen this? It's hilarious (and catchy!!) I love it!! LOL!!! Makes me giggle!!:D:D:cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6aU-wFSqt0

Haha I've not seen that before, nice one hun:D

[hagbard_celine]

Has anyone seen this? It's hilarious (and catchy!!) I love it!! LOL!!! Makes me giggle!!:D:D:cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6aU-wFSqt0


Very clever!:D I'll have to write a new verse about Mini Black Holes and strange quarks!:eek:

It will go something along the lines of:

And after all that rest of our work is complete
We'll discover about the few things that have slipped under our feet.
Mini black holes cluster down in the Earth
At the core of the planet they go and give borth
To a greedy, gobbling monster that no one can stop
That eats up and feeds on our homeworld's rock cold and hot.

And then there's the strange quarks, and real strange they are
They start a chain reaction and spreads really far
Converting ever single atom in this planets makeup
Until all that's left's a Quark Star just a bland ball of stuff.

[thelucifer]

Has anyone seen this? It's hilarious (and catchy!!) I love it!! LOL!!! Makes me giggle!!:D:D:cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6aU-wFSqt0

Love it.

[hagbard_celine]

Love it.

I'm posting my alternative lyrics in the comments box!:D

[galactic_stargazer]

Does anyone know the start date?

[logic bomb]

Does anyone know the start date?

This is the latest news I've seen. I've also read an article somewhere that explained how it gathers momentum over time (months?) before it arrives at its 'optimum' state for advanced functions/detection and that it will more than likely be next year before the 'God Particle' results start coming in.

The European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) is preparing for its first small tests in early August, leading to a planned full-track test in September - and the first planned particle collisions before the end of the year.

[rich157]

These guys are doing a countdown to the start up. Not sure how official it is though. :)

http://www.lhcountdown.com/

[krakhead]

These guys are doing a countdown to the start up. Not sure how official it is though. :)

http://www.lhcountdown.com/

08-08-08?! :eek:

(If I worked it out right! :o)

[aratron]

cool thread

[hagbard_celine]

08-08-08?! :eek:

(If I worked it out right! :o)


Shit! Tomorrow!:eek:

But LB is correct, the system will take months to power up. They've already got particles spinning in the smallest ring; this one will then be shunted off to the medium size ring and then finally to the full-sized LHC ring.

Here's the latest press release:

A date for the start up of the LHC is still to be announced.

As of the beginning of August 2008 we expect low energy proton beams to be injected into the LHC in early September.

This major milestone in the LHC project will be covered live by international broadcasters. UK media organisations will be at CERN and at a simultaneous media event in London.

Proton beams have already been delivered to within a few metres of the LHC itself, but beams will be injected for the first time on the official start up day. If everything proceeds according to plan the beam will circulate all the way around the 27 km long LHC. Only one beam, travelling in one direction, will be injected. Over the following months the LHC scientists and engineers will commission the LHC, running beams at higher energy and in both directions. Subject to everything proceeding as planned the LHC may begin collisions using relatively low energy (5TeV) beams towards the end of 2008. (Source: http://www.lhc.ac.uk/latest-news.html) (http://www.lhc.ac.uk/latest-news.html)


So it's now early next month. This is like Zeno's Paradox! If they're going to destroy the world, why don't they just get on with it!:D:rolleyes:

[hagbard_celine]

It won't be like this!: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzugu39pKM&feature=related

:D

Or this:

This was part of a BBC Horizon bullshit scaremongering programme: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SndbB8hA0UQ&feature=related

[hagbard_celine]

Here's how the LHC's warming up process works. This process of speeding up the hadrons to such high speeds takes months. But it is necessary because the collider has to overcome the strong nuclear force:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AHT9RTlCqjQ&feature=related

[shansuke]

http://www.virginmedia.com/digital/science/endoftheworld.php?vmsrc=vmhpld according to this link it gets switched on this saterday.sorry i didnt know ther was allready a thread about this,ive posted about it in the general section.a group of folk from around the world are also doing this experiment on the same day http://www.entheogenic-portal.com/ .i dont know mutch about this hadron collider,or black holes for that matter,but i do know i wouldnt want to be around one.i just dont get this thing,if black holes can destroy full planets,why would anyone one with half a brain try to create one on earth.am i missing something.

[rixxmixxhell]

http://www.virginmedia.com/digital/science/endoftheworld.php?vmsrc=vmhpld according to this link it gets switched on this saterday.sorry i didnt know ther was allready a thread about this,ive posted about it in the general section.a group of folk from around the world are also doing this experiment on the same day http://www.entheogenic-portal.com/ .i dont know mutch about this hadron collider,or black holes for that matter,but i do know i wouldnt want to be around one.i just dont get this thing,if black holes can destroy full planets,why would anyone one with half a brain try to create one on earth.am i missing something.

Thanks for brining it to this thread :), i was going to post your links here ;)
Rick

[lottie]

Yes thanks- and thanks to all who have contributed- you've all really assisted in my education of this subject and im thoroughly enjoying it!! :D

[themime]

If I had to guess I'd say that the most "Sci-fi" outcome of the LHC would be the observation of particle time travel through the generation of micro wormholes.

Of course if I'm wrong and the blackholes join up I'll buy everyone here a pint afterwards.:D

BTW £4.65 billion to recreate the Universe, makes you wonder what they could do with the $32 billion black budget.

[rich157]

CERN to start up super-accelerator on September 10


AFP - 8 minutes ago

GENEVA (AFP) - European particle physics laboratory CERN said Thursday it will start up its massive particle accelerator on September 10 hoping that it could throw light on the origins of the universe.

The so-called Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is the greatest experiment in the history of particle physics.

Scientists are banking that it will confirm the existence of a sub-atomic component -- the Higgs Boson, known as "the God Particle" -- that would fill in the last missing piece of the so-called Standard Model of particle physics.

A gamble costing six billion Swiss francs (almost six billion dollars, 3.9 billion euros) that has harnessed the labours of more than 2,000 physicists from nearly three dozen countries, the LHC is the biggest, most powerful high-energy particle accelerator ever built.

Beams of hydrogen protons will whizz around at near-light speed in opposite directions until, bent by powerful superconducting magnets, they will smash together in four bus-sized detector chambers, where they will be annihilated at temperatures hotter than the sun.

"Starting up such a machine is not as simple as flipping a switch," the laboratory said in a statement.

The commissioning starts with the cooling down of each of the machine's eight sectors, then electrical testing of the 1,600 superconducting magnets, after which each sector's circuits, and then the sectors themselves, are powered together so the LHC can operate as a single machine.

"We're finishing a marathon with a sprint," said LHC project leader Lyn Evans.

"It's been a long haul, and we're all eager to get the LHC research programme underway."

However, there are unlikely to be any immediate discoveries once the LHC is set in motion.

"We will accumulate data for two years and it will take a lot of time to interpret," CERN's director general Robert Aymar said back in May.

[kevstodd]

just wondering if anybody knew that Brian Cox,the keyboardist from a sad pop group from a few years ago called D:REAM ? he is a experimental physicist at the LHC facility .i just think its a strange carer move for a pop tart.
They always have this guy talking about how safe it is .im wondering if thats why he was in a pop group ?, to be a recognized person to say its safe when the time came ?
here is the wiki page of him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Cox_%28physicist%29
d:ream's famous song is called "Things can only get better'

just seams strange to me and thought i would share :)

[hagbard_celine]

just wondering if anybody knew that Brian Cox,the keyboardist from a sad pop group from a few years ago called D:REAM ? he is a experimental physicist at the LHC facility .i just think its a strange carer move for a pop tart.
They always have this guy talking about how safe it is .im wondering if thats why he was in a pop group ?, to be a recognized person to say its safe when the time came ?
here is the wiki page of him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Cox_%28physicist%29
d:ream's famous song is called "Things can only get better'

just seams strange to me and thought i would share :)

Well his nickname is "the Rock Star Physicist"!:cool:

[hagbard_celine]

BBC new report on the beginning of the powering up process in the main ring of the LHC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7547118.stm

The scientists at the LHC are about to switch the machine on for the first time. They will begin injecting the first hadron beam over the weekend. This doesn't mean we can all heave a sigh of relief when nothing happens then though:eek:. It will take many months to bring the LHC up to full power, in the range where mini black holes and strangelets could be generated. The first circulation will begin on September the 10th and it's going to be a big media event.

[lottie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/universe/

[lottie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6uKZWnJLCM

[hagbard_celine]

Illustrated radio show of Professor Walter Wagner on C2C:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EL2ghqv5mCg

This subject is starting to freak me out!:(:eek::confused: I've been watching these vids: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UsCPvYVCzGs
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzugu39pKM

Does this desperate "Gotterdammerung" action mean that we're getting close to freedom? It's not fair! We're so close! :mad:Karl Marx used to say: "We have a world to win". I'd like to change that to "We have a world to save!"

[lottie]

BBC new report on the beginning of the powering up process in the main ring of the LHC:

The first circulation will begin on September the 10th and it's going to be a big media event.

Bit ritualistic wouldnt you say? ;)

[lottie]

just wondering if anybody knew that Brian Cox,the keyboardist from a sad pop group from a few years ago called D:REAM ? he is a experimental physicist at the LHC facility .i just think its a strange carer move for a pop tart.
They always have this guy talking about how safe it is .im wondering if thats why he was in a pop group ?, to be a recognized person to say its safe when the time came ?
here is the wiki page of him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Cox_%28physicist%29
d:ream's famous song is called "Things can only get better'

just seams strange to me and thought i would share :)


You mean this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aXuQ9Dg2gE

Gets a bit shitty when he's asked about the 'fake moon landings'....:rolleyes:

[hagbard_celine]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/universe/

This is interesting, and surprisingly fair for Horizon. You can watch the whole show here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1357036518657151746&ei=EwecSNTfOYf2iQLV-p3rAQ&q=bbc+horizon+6+billion+dollar+experiment

[hagbard_celine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6uKZWnJLCM

Sometimes I'd like to grab that Mancunian git by his ears and shake him awake!

Did you ever see him talking about the moon landings? He compares not believing in the moon landings to not beleiveing in the colonization of America! What kind of analogy is that!? Millions of people colonized America, only 12 have been to the moon!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[hagbard_celine]

Bit ritualistic wouldnt you say? ;)

Hmm yes, what about the next day!:eek:;)

[hagbard_celine]

You mean this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aXuQ9Dg2gE

Gets a bit shitty when he's asked about the 'fake moon landings'....:rolleyes:


That's the vid I was thinking of in my post above. Thanks.:)

[lottie]

Illustrated radio show of Professor Walter Wagner on C2C:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EL2ghqv5mCg

This subject is starting to freak me out!:(:eek::confused: I've been watching these vids: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UsCPvYVCzGs
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzugu39pKM

Does this desperate "Gotterdammerung" action mean that we're getting close to freedom? It's not fair! We're so close! :mad:Karl Marx used to say: "We have a world to win". I'd like to change that to "We have a world to save!"


I think they are cleverer than that HC, why would they risk destroying themselves?

Also- my thoughts are- even if worst case scenario it did create a black hole and the world gets eaten up by itself then would we know about it? We're infinite beings so we'd just start life again on a new plane/dimension? prehaps we'd just continue as normal on another paralell universe? We'll all wake up one morning and everything will be strangely 'different'!!! :D

[lottie]

That's the vid I was thinking of in my post above. Thanks.:)

Great minds think alike- i must have posted at the same time as you!! I thought Dr BC was cool at first but then he discredited himself by getting shitty in that clip and as far as im concerned thats enough for me to deem him 'working for them'! :rolleyes: shame!

[lottie]

HC....has it crossed your mind as it has mine, that it could be some sort of 'star-gate'?

For some reason this is the vibe im getting, the ritualistic nature of firing her up- the media attention, Im sure the dates will correspond with something dodgy as they always do - syncronistically if not deliberately due to the energy/intention behind the project, and also the arial photo of the LHC looks very stargate-ish!!

Just an idea- but like i say - im getting that vibe....maybe we need someone like tintin and mcmenek to help us decode it??:confused:

[hagbard_celine]

I think they are cleverer than that HC, why would they risk destroying themselves?

Also- my thoughts are- even if worst case scenario it did create a black hole and the world gets eaten up by itself then would we know about it? We're infinite beings so we'd just start life again on a new plane/dimension? prehaps we'd just continue as normal on another paralell universe? We'll all wake up one morning and everything will be strangely 'different'!!! :D

I know, and I'm very glad I didn't come across this LHC information before I discovered David's ideas :)(If I'd been a kid this would have killed me! The idea of nukes and supernovas etc desroying the world used to fuck my childhood head up!), but I still love the Earth, the animals, plants, other people; I see them as very precious things and I'd hate to see them destroyed.

According to Wagner we may well know about it first. He says in his affadavit in the Hawaii lawsuit that a runaway stranglet explosion would be very quick, but the MBH scenario might take up to "50 months", with the Earth slowly being eaten away from the inside. Earthquakes would break out as the crust fractures, getting worse and worse. We'd know it was happening and have to watch at least the start of the process.

[hagbard_celine]

HC....has it crossed your mind as it has mine, that it could be some sort of 'star-gate'?

For some reason this is the vibe im getting, the ritualistic nature of firing her up- the media attention, Im sure the dates will correspond with something dodgy as they always do - syncronistically if not deliberately due to the energy/intention behind the project, and also the arial photo of the LHC looks very stargate-ish!!

Just an idea- but like i say - im getting that vibe....maybe we need someone like tintin and mcmenek to help us decode it??:confused:

Yes, that's a distinct possiblity. In fact Lisa Randall says as much in the vid. She says "hidden dimensions may be exposed"!:eek::eek::eek: I hope it won't be a scenario like the one in The Mist? I mention it earlier in the thread. Have you seen that film?

[rixxmixxhell]

I have Hagbard!!! I watched it 3 days ago after your mentioning it....it was pretty 'different' to other films! A bleed through, did you see ther massive animal/alien just strolling around. I would have gone underground or something:eek:

Rick

[cyberdaemon]

I think they are cleverer than that HC, why would they risk destroying themselves?

Also- my thoughts are- even if worst case scenario it did create a black hole and the world gets eaten up by itself then would we know about it? We're infinite beings so we'd just start life again on a new plane/dimension? prehaps we'd just continue as normal on another paralell universe? We'll all wake up one morning and everything will be strangely 'different'!!! :D

And my name will be Strelock , wandering around Chernobyl alienated zone and collecting artifacts ;)

edit : wasnt that suppose to be turned on today ? So when do we get to see what happened or what are the results ?

edit : another delay - The collider is currently undergoing commissioning while being cooled down to its final operating temperature of approximately 1.9 K (−271.25 °C). The initial particle beams are due for injection in August 2008,[2] the first attempt to circulate beam through the entire LHC is scheduled for September 10, 2008,[3] and the first high-energy collisions are planned to take place after the LHC is officially unveiled, on October 21, 2008.[4]

[shansuke]

I know, and I'm very glad I didn't come across this LHC information before I discovered David's ideas :)(If I'd been a kid this would have killed me! The idea of nukes and supernovas etc desroying the world used to fuck my childhood head up!) sorry for going of topic a bit but its funny you say this,i used to think it was just me but i had a conversation with a group of friends a few years back,and it turns out we all had this problem when we where kids,im not even sure if it was nightmares or paranoid delusions or what,as a teenager i just rote it off as maybe i was exposed to scifi movies at a young age or something,but shock horror when a couple of years ago i walked in to my mates house and they where all having a conversation about this verry subject and it turnes out we all had this same problem as kids,strange or what.

[kevstodd]

I have Hagbard!!! I watched it 3 days ago after your mentioning it....it was pretty 'different' to other films! A bleed through, did you see ther massive animal/alien just strolling around. I would have gone underground or something:eek:

Rick

i watched themist last night after hagbard_celine mentioned it and glad i did .Did you see the logo's of the army guys ? it was the ss lightning like the one on the norad sign ,cant remember what the other symbols were but i do remember them being rather strange and i think it was significant , ill have to have another look.
lottie that brian cox is very odd ,what a mad video clip , no matter what he does he does not stop that grin as tho he thinks he knows everything. hes just another nwo controlled slimball without a mind of his own IMO.

[rixxmixxhell]

i watched themist last night after hagbard_celine mentioned it and glad i did .Did you see the logo's of the army guys ? it was the ss lightning like the one on the norad sign ,cant remember what the other symbols were but i do remember them being rather strange and i think it was significant , ill have to have another look.
lottie that brian cox is very odd ,what a mad video clip , no matter what he does he does not stop that grin as tho he thinks he knows everything. hes just another nwo controlled slimball without a mind of his own IMO.

Yes, i did see the patches!!! i forgot to mention it!!!

Not by accident they looked like they did.

Check the film out people !!!

Rick

[2013]

According to Wagner we may well know about it first. He says in his affadavit in the Hawaii lawsuit that a runaway stranglet explosion would be very quick, but the MBH scenario might take up to "50 months", with the Earth slowly being eaten away from the inside. Earthquakes would break out as the crust fractures, getting worse and worse. We'd know it was happening and have to watch at least the start of the process.

50 months ? 48 months equaling 4 years from now seems somehow familiar :rolleyes: Given this scenario happening what would the PTB do with all the technology at their disposal would they suddenly release it in the hope that more people could benefit or develop it further .Is this the Zero point event Terence Mckenna spoke of coinciding with the 2012 event ? :D

[grannymoose]

well it's Saturday and this thing should of ran by now?
Where still here folks.

[rickdog]

They aren't firing it up till next month

[2013]

They aren't firing it up till next month

Welcome to the forum rickdog.Whats your opinion on the outcome if any ?
outcome of firing it up that is not opinion unless you dont have one :D

[hagbard_celine]

I have Hagbard!!! I watched it 3 days ago after your mentioning it....it was pretty 'different' to other films! A bleed through, did you see ther massive animal/alien just strolling around. I would have gone underground or something:eek:

Rick


Yeah, that's one of the best bits in the film! The ending is ghastly though! If only they'd waited a few more minutes they'd have been rescued!

It's an incredible film!:eek: Very scarey, but fascinating. The thing is that Bryan Allan told me that the Rendlesham Forest Incident may be something similar to The Mist (but obviously not has horrific!:eek::D) The aliens and craft might have been let into our dimension by a hole in the fabric of spacetime opened by the massive electrical forces generated by the Orford Ness labortatory.

The universe The Mist creatures come from can't be a very nice place!:confused::eek: I wouldn't go there on holiday!

[hagbard_celine]

sorry for going of topic a bit but its funny you say this,i used to think it was just me but i had a conversation with a group of friends a few years back,and it turns out we all had this problem when we where kids,im not even sure if it was nightmares or paranoid delusions or what,as a teenager i just rote it off as maybe i was exposed to scifi movies at a young age or something,but shock horror when a couple of years ago i walked in to my mates house and they where all having a conversation about this verry subject and it turnes out we all had this same problem as kids,strange or what.


I was gutted by the revellation that one day the sun would become a nova and the Earth would be destroyed.:( I remember seeing it at the London Planetarium and walking out shaking and in tears. One of the episodes of the Johnny Ball's Think Again mentioned it and I remember when the episode was repeated I kept out of the lounge so I wouldn't have to watch it again on TV.:(:D Oh, kids eh!

[hagbard_celine]

i watched themist last night after hagbard_celine mentioned it and glad i did .Did you see the logo's of the army guys ? it was the ss lightning like the one on the norad sign ,cant remember what the other symbols were but i do remember them being rather strange and i think it was significant , ill have to have another look.
.

Good grief, yes!:eek: That can't be an accident!

The film's writer and director Frank Darabont is a close friend of the story's author Stephen King; I wonder where the idea cam from!:eek:;)

[hagbard_celine]

well it's Saturday and this thing should of ran by now?
Where still here folks.

It's not as simple as that.

Firstly the "firing up" process takes many months. What they're doing this weekend is a major milestone on the path to firing it up, but there's a long way to go before it's running properly. The magnets have to be powered up and the tunnel cooled to a temperature colder than anything else in the universe. The hardons also have to be speeded up to almost light speed.

Also even when the thing is up and running and collisions start the actual catastrophe resulting will not happen immediately. It will take at least 5 years, maybe much longer.

Listen to the radio show I posted with Walter Wagner; it's got the details.

[hagbard_celine]

50 months ? 48 months equaling 4 years from now seems somehow familiar :rolleyes: Given this scenario happening what would the PTB do with all the technology at their disposal would they suddenly release it in the hope that more people could benefit or develop it further .Is this the Zero point event Terence Mckenna spoke of coinciding with the 2012 event ? :D

Yes it's an eeire "coincidence". All roads are currently leading to December 2012!:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

I think they are cleverer than that HC, why would they risk destroying themselves?


It's an interesting question, Lottie, but I think they would not risk destroying themselves,; they would destroy themselves!:(:eek: This is what I mean by "Gotterdammerung". This first came to my attention when I listened to David on a C2C show with Jeff Rense, the details of which I can’t quite recall. Jeff said words to the effect of: “If the Illuminati know that they’ve lost, that their domination is over and the New World Order can’t be achieved, then they’re the kind of people who would destroy the Earth before letting free people have it”. I can see where Jeff is coming from. I’ve observed this kind of dog-in-the-manger attitude at all levels of human conflict. They would certainly do it! Even if it meant their own destruction! Ideally they’d like the world to live on under their jackboot, but if they couldn’t have that then they would destroy the Earth out of spite. They would rather we all went down together than allow the world to live on in freedom. The Illuminati is notoriously self-glorifying and arrogant and failure is something they've never before had to consider; they see the NWO as their birthright and inevitable destiny. But the way the world is going today, some elements of the Loomies must be beginning to understand that their game is reaching its end. Human consciousness is getting wise to them and starting to fight back.

Could the LHC have been deliberately developed out of a part of their Gotterdammerung reaction to this? (One part? Are there other parts?:confused::eek::eek::confused:) A part that they have created secretly, allowing the innocent scientists like Cox and Randall to build unknowingly, unaware that they have really been coopted into creating a Doomsday Device?

[lottie]

Yes, that's a distinct possiblity. In fact Lisa Randall says as much in the vid. She says "hidden dimensions may be exposed"!:eek::eek::eek: I hope it won't be a scenario like the one in The Mist? I mention it earlier in the thread. Have you seen that film?


RE; The Mist; No i havnt seen the film HC and probably wont as its too scary!! lol!!! i dont do scary!! :o I only watch comedy or girly or interesting (like the matrix) the matrix and such like are about as scary as it gets for me!!:o

[rixxmixxhell]

RE; The Mist; No i havnt seen the film HC and probably wont as its too scary!! lol!!! i dont do scary!! :o I only watch comedy or girly or interesting (like the matrix) the matrix and such like are about as scary as it gets for me!!:o

But it's not like darkness horror type film, it's more like, 'the fog', it's suspense too:eek: :) you could have girly night in with friends and watch:D
Rick:)

[lottie]

It's an interesting question, Lottie, but I think they would not risk destroying themselves,; they would destroy themselves!:(:eek: This is what I mean by "Gotterdammerung". This first came to my attention when I listened to David on a C2C show with Jeff Rense, the details of which I can’t quite recall. Jeff said words to the effect of: “If the Illuminati know that they’ve lost, that their domination is over and the New World Order can’t be achieved, then they’re the kind of people who would destroy the Earth before letting free people have it”. I can see where Jeff is coming from. I’ve observed this kind of dog-in-the-manger attitude at all levels of human conflict. They would certainly do it! Even if it meant their own destruction! Ideally they’d like the world to live on under their jackboot, but if they couldn’t have that then they would destroy the Earth out of spite. They would rather we all went down together than allow the world to live on in freedom. The Illuminati is notoriously self-glorifying and arrogant and failure is something they've never before had to consider; they see the NWO as their birthright and inevitable destiny. But the way the world is going today, some elements of the Loomies must be beginning to understand that their game is reaching its end. Human consciousness is getting wise to them and starting to fight back.

Could the LHC have been deliberately developed out of a part of their Gotterdammerung reaction to this? (One part? Are there other parts?:confused::eek::eek::confused:) A part that they have created secretly, allowing the innocent scientists like Cox and Randall to build unknowingly, unaware that they have really been coopted into creating a Doomsday Device?

VERY good point HC!!

Yeah you are probably right- they dont have the part that sets us apart from them...Compassion - so therefore i agree they probably would destroy the place if they couldnt win!!

Another theory ive been toying with is something that Tsarion mentioned with regard to the Genetic Manipulation stuff- that the 'Reppies/Baddies/serpent people/rulers' are trapped here due to a forcefield placed around the earth after they chased a race here after destroying Tiamat (i'd hedge a bet that its the van allen radiation belt - but could be wrong) and that thats why they started up the education system and universities to find the cleverest person/people who will be able to find them a way out/off the earth, obviously the professors/scientists dont know this but apparently this is what its for....they think the secret/key to getting off the planet lays in the substance that is Sillicone!

I also think things like Stagates etc (supported by the theories that Freemasons know a 'secret' and this could be something to do with superconductivity) which would support a need to build a large stargate type thang to get em all off the earth!! (LHC??)

Justa few thoughts....

Kevstodd;

lottie that brian cox is very odd ,what a mad video clip , no matter what he does he does not stop that grin as tho he thinks he knows everything. hes just another nwo controlled slimball without a mind of his own IMO.



Yeah he's a bit of a smarmy git in he?:D

[lottie]

But it's not like darkness horror type film, it's more like, 'the fog', it's suspense too:eek: :) you could have girly night in with friends and watch:D
Rick:)

The Fog was the scariest thang i ever did see!!! (admittedly i was about 9 when i saw it!! lol)

I might....if i have some girly back up!! "Lookfar....?:D"

[lookfar]

The Fog was the scariest thang i ever did see!!! (admittedly i was about 9 when i saw it!! lol)

I might....if i have some girly back up!! "Lookfar....?:D"

Haha I'm probably more of a wimp than you are now with horror films hun, but I'll watch it with ya if you hold my hand, lol?:p:D

[rixxmixxhell]

Don't forget the cushions to place over ones face when scarred:eek:!:D
Rick

[chattanova]

CERN Announces Start Date for Hadron Collider

FULL REPORT http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1457&category=Science

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/8/10/f_HadronMiniBm_77f0c39.jpg


First circulating beam on September 10, 2008,
at the injection energy of 450 GeV (0.45 TeV).

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/3/8/10/f_HadronCERNCm_bb69714.jpg

Large Hadron Collider (LHC) magnets and 17-mile-long underground tunnel
ready for proton collisions for first time on September 10, 2008.
LHC image courtesy CERN LHC.

[simplify]

Nice to see you back, Lottie!:)

I was wondering when we'd hear any news from this.

Here's a bloke who's determinded that it will never be switched on for safety's sake! http://www.petitiononline.com/stopLHC/petition.html

http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm They’ve even written a song! The risks might be small, but the consequences of anything going wrong are so terrible that I wonder if it's worth it, just satisfy our curiosity. If these scientists want to see a Higgs Boson then why don't they just drop some acid? Then one will appear before them illuminated, surrounded by light and introduce itself!

I'm intensely repelled from the idea that we've got to wait to be saved by divine intervention, the Messiah, or god-like aliens coming down from the sky etc. I've always believed that we humans are masters of our own destiny and therefore our own saviours. On the other hand, if we're heading for destruction and we can't stop it and some friendly passing hyperdimensional being offers to lend a hand then I'll happily swallow my pride and accept! The Disclosure Project witnesses have confirmed that there are numerous times when UFO's have interfered with nuclear weapons tests and missile launches; let’s hope they're on standby to provide their services again!

The most sinister aspect to the LHC though has to be a worry that first came to my attention when I listened to a Coast-to-Coast show with Jeff Rense, the details of which I can’t quite recall. Jeff said words to the effect of: “If the Illuminati know that they’ve lost, that their domination is over and the New World Order can’t be achieved, then they’re the kind of people who would destroy the Earth before letting free people have it”. I can see where Jeff is coming from. I’ve observed this kind of dog-in-the-manger attitude at all levels of human conflict. They would certainly do it! Even if it meant their own destruction! Ideally they’d like the world to live on under their jackboot, but if they couldn’t have that then they would destroy the Earth out of spite. They would rather we all went down together than allow the world to live on in freedom. I call this "Gotterdammerung". The Illuminati is notoriously self-glorifying and arrogant and failure is something they've never before had to consider; they see the NWO as their birthright and inevitable destiny. But the way the world is going today, some elements of the Loomies must be beginning to understand that their game is reaching its end. Human consciousness is getting wise to them and starting to fight back. Could the LHC have been developed out of a part of their reaction to this? (One part? Are there other parts?) A part that they have created secretly, allowing the innocent scientists, unaware that they have really been coopted into creating a Doomsday Device? If they have then I can only once again pray for a miracle, and appeal for aid from the many friendly intelligences out there that have the power to stop this. If any of them are reading this, then please help us out!

Wow...I had never considered the possibility that the Illlum would destroy the earth if they could not accomplish their mission....I have heard over the years that the ET's have intervened before to save us from ourselves & that they are keeping a close eye on what we are doing. Apparently, the earth & humanity is destined to live on, just the evil ones will be removed. Now I take comfort in that.....

[ill_bill_]

Source and more info : http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html

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[ill_bill_]

Source and more info : http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html

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[ill_bill_]

Source and more info : http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html

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[2013]

VERY good point HC!!

Yeah you are probably right- they dont have the part that sets us apart from them...Compassion - so therefore i agree they probably would destroy the place if they couldnt win!!

Another theory ive been toying with is something that Tsarion mentioned with regard to the Genetic Manipulation stuff- that the 'Reppies/Baddies/serpent people/rulers' are trapped here due to a forcefield placed around the earth after they chased a race here after destroying Tiamat (i'd hedge a bet that its the van allen radiation belt - but could be wrong) and that thats why they started up the education system and universities to find the cleverest person/people who will be able to find them a way out/off the earth, obviously the professors/scientists dont know this but apparently this is what its for....they think the secret/key to getting off the planet lays in the substance that is Sillicone!

I also think things like Stagates etc (supported by the theories that Freemasons know a 'secret' and this could be something to do with superconductivity) which would support a need to build a large stargate type thang to get em all off the earth!! (LHC??)

Justa few thoughts....



Yeah he's a bit of a smarmy git in he?:D

Maybe you are on to something there lottie . perhaps like the playground bully come 2012 they will find a way to go back home and have their collective mums tuck them up in bed with warm milk and cookies , and tell them what good little soldiers they are , and they will forget all about us and leave us in peace !! you never know :D

[hagbard_celine]

VERY good point HC!!

Yeah you are probably right- they dont have the part that sets us apart from them...Compassion - so therefore i agree they probably would destroy the place if they couldnt win!!

Another theory ive been toying with is something that Tsarion mentioned with regard to the Genetic Manipulation stuff- that the 'Reppies/Baddies/serpent people/rulers' are trapped here due to a forcefield placed around the earth after they chased a race here after destroying Tiamat (i'd hedge a bet that its the van allen radiation belt - but could be wrong) and that thats why they started up the education system and universities to find the cleverest person/people who will be able to find them a way out/off the earth, obviously the professors/scientists dont know this but apparently this is what its for....they think the secret/key to getting off the planet lays in the substance that is Sillicone!

I also think things like Stagates etc (supported by the theories that Freemasons know a 'secret' and this could be something to do with superconductivity) which would support a need to build a large stargate type thang to get em all off the earth!! (LHC??)

Justa few thoughts....



I think they're so devoid of compassion that they don't even care about themselves!:( They want to win at any cost, even their own existance! :eek:They're like the Wicked Queen Jadis that I mentioned on page 4 of this thread.

So the LHC might be the escape from jail for them? The tunnel or the file in a birthday cake. Could be:confused:. Or maybe it's a way of changing the universe. I'm reading Douglas Adams' Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy right now. It's very funny, but clever too. At the beginninmg of the second chapter he states that if the intelligent inhabitants of the universe ever understood the ultimate question of "Life, the Universe and Everything", then the universe would cease to exist in its present state and transform into something different! This might even have already happened in the past!:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

The Fog was the scariest thang i ever did see!!! (admittedly i was about 9 when i saw it!! lol)

I might....if i have some girly back up!! "Lookfar....?:D"

Ha ha I'm probably more of a wimp than you are now with horror films hun, but I'll watch it with ya if you hold my hand, lol?

Go for it, ladies!:cool:

Rixx, you didn't find it dark?:eek: It was very dark I thought! The scariest film I've seen since The Ring!

It's not only the monsters that scared me, it was the people. The poor folk trapped in the shop become monsters themselves! But if you can climb out from behind the sofa and study the film in more detail you'll find that the background to the story is fascinating. Listen to what the solider says when he is interrogated by Miss Carmody!

[hagbard_celine]

Wow...I had never considered the possibility that the Illlum would destroy the earth if they could not accomplish their mission....I have heard over the years that the ET's have intervened before to save us from ourselves & that they are keeping a close eye on what we are doing. Apparently, the earth & humanity is destined to live on, just the evil ones will be removed. Now I take comfort in that.....

Me too.:) I've always disliked the idea of messiahs and saviours. I'm a great believer in humanity being masters of our own destiny; we 're our own saviours. But that being said, if the planet is about to be sucked into a black hole at the centre of the Earth and a friendly pasing alien offers to lend a hand, I'll happily swallow my pride and accept!:D

[hagbard_celine]

Wow...I had never considered the possibility that the Illlum would destroy the earth if they could not accomplish their mission..

They would I think. I've seen a similar mentality in people when they're eaten up by hate and bitterness. Look at the soaps on TV( If you want to find Dark Human Mentalities then there's no better place to look!;):D): Emerdale. One of the characters hates his wife so much that he commits suicide, but engineers it in such a way that it looks like murder... and that his wife did it!:eek::( This is a man whose mind is so posioned by hate, that he will act on it at any cost, even giving up his own life for it!:rolleyes::(

The Illuminati are the focus and creation of the darkest energy and hate our minds can produce. Oh yes!:eek: If they knew they'd lost the game, they'd obliterate the Earth and go down with it!

[hagbard_celine]

CERN Announces Start Date for Hadron Collider


[CENTER]
First circulating beam on September 10, 2008,
at the injection energy of 450 GeV (0.45 TeV).

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/3/8/10/f_HadronCERNCm_bb69714.jpg

Large Hadron Collider (LHC) magnets and 17-mile-long underground tunnel
ready for proton collisions for first time on September 10, 2008.
LHC image courtesy CERN LHC.

I notice that this is written by Linda Moulton-Howe.:confused:

So they've done it!:eek: The main circuit of the LHC is operating. They done the clockwise beam, now all they need is the anti-clockwise beam and to get the two beams up to sufficient speed... :confused:

The Altas detactor looks like a James Bond villain's lair. In those movies the villain is usually involved in some insane scheme to destroy the world.:eek:;)

[hagbard_celine]

Maybe you are on to something there lottie . perhaps like the playground bully come 2012 they will find a way to go back home and have their collective mums tuck them up in bed with warm milk and cookies , and tell them what good little soldiers they are , and they will forget all about us and leave us in peace !! you never know :D

That would be the ideal scenario, that they all just come to their senses and we live happily ever after.:) You never know!

[hagbard_celine]

Source and more info : http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html

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These pictures make it look like a really evil machine!:eek:

[eternal_spirit]

It's not as simple as that.

Firstly the "firing up" process takes many months. What they're doing this weekend is a major milestone on the path to firing it up, but there's a long way to go before it's running properly. The magnets have to be powered up and the tunnel cooled to a temperature colder than anything else in the universe. The hardons also have to be speeded up to almost light speed.

Also even when the thing is up and running and collisions start the actual catastrophe resulting will not happen immediately. It will take at least 5 years, maybe much longer.

Listen to the radio show I posted with Walter Wagner; it's got the details.

I didn't know that 5 years! Phew! And worth quoting so others can read.

[hagbard_celine]

I didn't know that 5 years! Phew! And worth quoting so others can read.


The problem is that there will never come a time when we can breathe a sigh of relief and say "Whew! It's all over now and nothing happened." With a potential terrorist attack like the Olympics or FA Cup Final you can relax when its over, but this has no end. Nothing might happen for years, decades or even centuries, long after the machine has been shut down. But the danger will remain, ticking away inside the Earth like a cancer gene, ready to emerge and strike at any time! And once the process is started it is irreversible. So we'll never know. It's possible that this process has already been started by the RHIC Collider and it's already too late.:eek::(

Sorry, I'm not really making very cheerful lunchtime conversation am I!:D

[2013]

I didn't know that 5 years! Phew! And worth quoting so others can read.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3poITeN_V2Q

[rich157]

Angels & Demons film comes out soon. Focuses on the Illuminati & the work at CERN :)

Angels & Demons is a bestselling mystery novel by Dan Brown. Published in 2000, it introduces the character Robert Langdon, who is also the principal character of Brown's subsequent, better-known novel The Da Vinci Code. It also shares many stylistic elements with the better known novel, such as conspiracies of secret societies, a single-day time frame and the Roman Catholic Church. The story involves a conflict between an ancient group, the Illuminati, and the Roman Catholic Church. A film adaptation is due for release on May 15, 2009.

The plot follows Harvard symbologist Robert Langdon, as he tries to stop what seems to be the Illuminati, a legendary secret society, from destroying the Vatican City with the newly-discovered power of antimatter.

CERN director Maximilian Kohler discovers one of the facility's most respected physicists, Leonardo Vetra, murdered in his own secured, private quarters at the facility. His chest is branded with a symbol — the word "Illuminati", formed as an ambigram, using a hot iron and his eye torn out. Instead of calling the police, Kohler researches the topic on the Internet and finally gains contact with Professor Langdon, an expert on the Illuminati. Kohler requests his assistance in uncovering the murderer.

Langdon returns to St. Peter's and views Kohler's tape with the College of Cardinals. Langdon, Vittoria, and the cardinals confront the camerlengo in the Sistine Chapel, where the truth is finally revealed. Shortly before the events of the novel, the Pope was scheduled to meet with Leonardo Vetra concerning his research at CERN. Vetra, a devout Catholic, believed that science was capable of establishing a link between Man and God, a belief that was manifested by his research on antimatter. Vetra's beliefs caused great discomfort to the camerlengo, who firmly believed that the Church alone, not science, should dictate the moral creed of the Christian faithful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angels_%26_Demons

[nimlyn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDENuuPkQPg&feature=related

Hum! Can’t wait…:D

[2013]

The book was quiet good , looking forward to the movie .Is it just i wonder another atempt to generate fear of destruction ,they've got the weather . meteorites and nuclear holocaust covered .One more wouldnt bother them .I still think it links interestingly to the mayan calendar . Perhaps if it does open up another dimension or allow other energies thru it is something they cant control and we all experience it . Oneness all at the same time ? :D Maybe thats why our thoughts are important if the balance is correct at the time then it will follow in our favour .I have a vision of a group of monkeys sat around watching us reach enlightenment saying see i told you if just one hundred of them believed they could change then they would ;)

[hagbard_celine]

The book was quiet good , looking forward to the movie .Is it just i wonder another atempt to generate fear of destruction ,they've got the weather . meteorites and nuclear holocaust covered .One more wouldnt bother them .I still think it links interestingly to the mayan calendar . Perhaps if it does open up another dimension or allow other energies thru it is something they cant control and we all experience it . Oneness all at the same time ? :D Maybe thats why our thoughts are important if the balance is correct at the time then it will follow in our favour .I have a vision of a group of monkeys sat around watching us reach enlightenment saying see i told you if just one hundred of them believed they could change then they would ;)

Could be.:D I'll try not to get too scared and keep fear out of my mind when I contemplate the LHC.

A's&D's is not bad, but I much prefer The Da Vinci Code. The antimatter stuff was all sci-fi, but then again, who knows what they've achieved in secret laboratories!:eek: The assassin and the coded murders was just completely OTT for me!:D

Then again, a bad book can make a good movie, like Jaws.

[2013]

Could be.:D I'll try not to get too scared and keep fear out of my mind when I contemplate the LHC.

A's&D's is not bad, but I much prefer The Da Vinci Code. The antimatter stuff was all sci-fi, but then again, who knows what they've achieved in secret laboratories!:eek: The assassin and the coded murders was just completely OTT for me!:D

Then again, a bad book can make a good movie, like Jaws.

Whoa you took me straight back tot he 70's then immediate vision of me holding the book reading it i could feel and sense the time really clearly .Nice one is this a foretaste of the LHC being fired up ? :D

[hagbard_celine]

Have you listened to Walter Wagner's C2C interview?:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EL2ghqv5mCg

One of the phone-in's asks a good question that Wagner doesn't answer completely: Why indeed would the black hole increase in size? The actual black hole is a singularity, it has no physical size. Why would it get bigger?:confused:

If it doesn't get bigger then I can't see how it could do any more damage than the mini black holes that pass through the Earth, above escape velocity, anyway.

My nightmare is ruined!:(:D

[steppewar]

IMO there is a serious risk of Earth being obliterated on the 10th September 2008. This is when the black hole creating particle accelerator in Geneva, Switzerland is being turned on for the first, (and last?) time.

Look at the CERN logo at the top left on the homepage link below. You can clearly make out three 6's in it.

http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Welcome.html

[2013]

What if its anattempt to open a gateway for something to come thru to this dimension rather than something leave here ? Just a thought :D

[hagbard_celine]

What if its anattempt to open a gateway for something to come thru to this dimension rather than something leave here ? Just a thought :D

That's what I've been thinking too. Go back a few pages to where we discussing the film The Mist.

[hagbard_celine]

IMO there is a serious risk of Earth being obliterated on the 10th September 2008. This is when the black hole creating particle accelerator in Geneva, Switzerland is being turned on for the first, (and last?) time.

Look at the CERN logo at the top left on the homepage link below. You can clearly make out three 6's in it.

http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Welcome.html

OMFG! Yes, there is!:eek::eek:

I'll have to look more into the black holes, to find out exactly how a MBH could expand. I'm not sure it can, for the reason I said above.

On the other hand, there's also monopoles and strangelets. According to Cox, strangelets can only poliferate in very cold temperatures, within a degree of absolute zero, but what if he's wrong. Wagner thinks he is!:eek:

[duckingdafta]

Countdown to LHC First Beam:
21 days
3 weeks of partying...& none payments of ANYTHING.... just in case like! :D

[hagbard_celine]

3 weeks of partying...& none payments of ANYTHING.... just in case like! :D

If anything goes wrong it won't be apprent immediately. Still time to pay up!;):D

[lizzy]

wow, fantastic thread. great pics and Shiva, LOL. and every bit paid for with our taxes and no matter how impressive this is. I see no value to humanity what so ever. Yes, alton towers should have it , before it becomes a museum in 150 yrs., they can't fly off in it and what will they prove? that we don't know in theory.........that's the point I know, but at what cost.? But perhaps that's it , they want to break us financially too and this is the real big toy.

[hagbard_celine]

wow, fantastic thread. great pics and Shiva, LOL. and every bit paid for with our taxes and no matter how impressive this is. I see no value to humanity what so ever. Yes, alton towers should have it , before it becomes a museum in 150 yrs., they can't fly off in it and what will they prove? that we don't know in theory.........that's the point I know, but at what cost.? But perhaps that's it , they want to break us financially too and this is the real big toy.


Seeing as we've paid for it then we should have a say on its safety. After all the Alton Towers rides are inspected from top to bottom!

[lizzy]

Seeing as we've paid for it then we should have a say on its safety. After all the Alton Towers rides are inspected from top to bottom!

LOL.. agreed..:) :D. hi h_g, ......your nominated as forum inpsector, we will have a whip round for your airfare.

[20 20]

Have you listened to Walter Wagner's C2C interview?:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EL2ghqv5mCg

One of the phone-in's asks a good question that Wagner doesn't answer completely: Why indeed would the black hole increase in size? The actual black hole is a singularity, it has no physical size. Why would it get bigger?:confused:

If it doesn't get bigger then I can't see how it could do any more damage than the mini black holes that pass through the Earth, above escape velocity, anyway.

My nightmare is ruined!:(:D

The singularity lies at the center of the black hole and is no longer part of this universe. A black hole has an event horizon, the distance from the singularity where the escape velocity is the speed of light. That distance depends on the mass of the black hole, so the more mass it gains the farther out that event horizon moves. The more mass the black hole consumes the bigger it gets.
So the the black hole can get bigger. BUT it would take an awful lot of mass to enlarge it much. If the sun were a black hole it would be smaller than a grapefruit. To double it's diameter you would have to dump something like 6 more suns into it.

[cyberdaemon]

RE; The Mist; No i havnt seen the film HC and probably wont as its too scary!! lol!!! i dont do scary!! :o I only watch comedy or girly or interesting (like the matrix) the matrix and such like are about as scary as it gets for me!!:o

Then stay away from Dark Knight as far as you can , because they even blow up hospital and put people into situations where they have to blow someone else up or die themselves.

But now back to the topic -
1.if these repies really are trapped here , how did they got here in first place ? They evolved here ? They were trapped by something or someone ? Is there another force that opposes to them that built a blockage to this world , so now they are like germans in 1945 trapped in berlin ?

2.why do they need to make us invent some colliders and stuff to blow up earth , if they are claimed to have a massive underground cities , full of genetic test chambers , secret technology and so on ? Cant they build something on theyr own and then just "boom" ?

[cheeb]

Posted This Before,
On A Different Thread,
Thought The Addition Would Interest Some Folks.....

Cerns Logo

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/3219/logocernlittlewk6.gif

666

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4703/cernpeo9704ac2.jpg
The statue of the Indian deity Shiva at CERN was unveiled by His Excellency K M Chandrasekhar (seated), Anil Kakodkar (left) and Robert Aymar (centre).



The statue is a gift from India, celebrating CERN's long association with India which started in the 1960's and continues strongly today. Unveiled at June 18, 2004.
June 18- 6X3= 18-3X6 2004=6 666

The statue of Lord Shiva at CERN
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6203/cernshivave0.jpg



"...now I am become Death [Shiva], the destroyer of worlds..."

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3996/oppenheimerbecomedeath6tx9.jpg
Physicist Robert Oppenheimer
Supervising Scientist Manhattan Project

The exact quote from the Bhagavad-Gita is:

If the radiance of a thousand suns
Were to burst at once into the sky
That would be like the splendor of the Mighty one...
I am become Death,
The shatterer of Worlds.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5879/mushroomcloudhbxl0.jpg

September 10/11 Operation...

Large Hadron Collider Operations Scheduled Sept 10, 2008

GENEVA, Switzerland, Aug. 8 (UPI) -- European officials say the world's most powerful collider, the Large Hadron Collider, will make its first attempt to accelerate a beam of protons next month.

The European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, said the Sept. 10 event will follow a required cool down phase necessary to commission the particle accelerator.

The LHC, located near Geneva, Switzerland, is designed to produce beams seven times more energetic than any previous machine -- and around 30 times more intense -- when it reaches design performance, expected by 2010.

Housed in a 16.7-mile tunnel, scientists said the multibillion-dollar accelerator relies on technologies that didn't exist only 30 years age. "The LHC is, in a sense, its own prototype," CERN said.

The start-up process is a complex task, officials said, necessitating the cooling of each of the machine's eight sectors, followed by electrical testing of its 1,600 superconducting magnets.

Then the LHC must be synchronized with the Super Proton Synchrotron accelerator, which forms the last link in the LHC's injector chain, scientists said, noting timing between the two accelerators must be accurate to within a fraction of a nanosecond.

[2013]

OMFG! Yes, there is!:eek::eek:

I'll have to look more into the black holes, to find out exactly how a MBH could expand. eek:
Watch where you stick your head mate , it's not like putting it in the washing machine http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4816/blackholesonwt1.jpg
Oh wait a minute it is a bit like that ! :D

[lizzy]

Thanks cheeb,;)

says it all really , does'nt it.:rolleyes:

[hagbard_celine]

LOL.. agreed..:) :D. hi h_g, ......your nominated as forum inpsector, we will have a whip round for your airfare.


First class I hope!;):D

[hagbard_celine]

The singularity lies at the center of the black hole and is no longer part of this universe. A black hole has an event horizon, the distance from the singularity where the escape velocity is the speed of light. That distance depends on the mass of the black hole, so the more mass it gains the farther out that event horizon moves. The more mass the black hole consumes the bigger it gets.
So the the black hole can get bigger. BUT it would take an awful lot of mass to enlarge it much. If the sun were a black hole it would be smaller than a grapefruit. To double it's diameter you would have to dump something like 6 more suns into it.

So the matter sucked into the black hole does keep its form of atoms etc, but it is very highly compressed?

Would the need to increase its size (I'm guess what Wagner calls the "Schwartzschild radius" is the event horizon) it would so much more matter than the Earth could feed it. Does this mean it would never gain enough size to harm the Earth?

[hagbard_celine]

Thanks cheeb,;)

says it all really , does'nt it.:rolleyes:

666, Shiva the Destroyer. It couldn't be more in your face!:eek:

This is Gotterdammerung! They won't let us have the world without them!

[hagbard_celine]

Watch where you stick your head mate , it's not like putting it in the washing machine http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4816/blackholesonwt1.jpg
Oh wait a minute it is a bit like that ! :D

Don't forget the stain remover!:eek::D

[whitelightrabbit]

im confused.
i went to a dr emoto seminar and he said that dr randall and team had already done the experiment with the hadron collider about five days previous (to aug 16) and had succeeded in finding evidence of a fifth dimension.

i skimmed through the thread but this doesnt seem to be mentioned. are they doing another experiment or what?

[thegoodnessisgood]

If they think they're going to blow up the planet they have another thing coming I think. If it's true there are positive forces watching all these and waiting to step in where / if they go over the line as in total planetary destruction or for the most part thereof, then they really haven't got a chance. Even the Reptilian technology is way behind the more advanced species, or so I've read.

Notice though how the shiva statue has the ring with explosions around it, just like the hadron collider. Makes sense after all these years it has been around people just thought it was a circle around the symbol not that it symbolises powerfully destructive technology that was then to come and is now here!

[phonicboom]

Shiva is not destruction alone. It resembles creation and destruction as a process. Vishnu is the sustainer of that process.

Interesting point about the ring i think ..

[hagbard_celine]

im confused.
i went to a dr emoto seminar and he said that dr randall and team had already done the experiment with the hadron collider about five days previous (to aug 16) and had succeeded in finding evidence of a fifth dimension.

i skimmed through the thread but this doesnt seem to be mentioned. are they doing another experiment or what?


That's odd, becasuse the LHC is still in the start-up phase. :confused:

[hagbard_celine]

If they think they're going to blow up the planet they have another thing coming I think. If it's true there are positive forces watching all these and waiting to step in where / if they go over the line as in total planetary destruction or for the most part thereof, then they really haven't got a chance. Even the Reptilian technology is way behind the more advanced species, or so I've read.



I'm a great believer in the idea that we have to make our own destiny etc, but if the world is about to be destroyed and some friendly passing intelligent entity offewrs to lend a hand I'll happily swallow my pride and accept!:D

Notice though how the shiva statue has the ring with explosions around it, just like the hadron collider. Makes sense after all these years it has been around people just thought it was a circle around the symbol not that it symbolises powerfully destructive technology that was then to come and is now here!

Yes, it looks just like the diagrams of the LHC, the accellerator ring with the various detectors and sensors around it:

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/4277/largehadroncollider11bu7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[hagbard_celine]

The clockwise synchronization tests were successful and the anticlockwise tests are being done right now.

http://lhc-first-beam.web.cern.ch/lhc-first-beam/News/LHCsyncTest.html

There are now 16 days to go until the first beams begin circulating. On the 10th of September the event will be carried out as a live media event and web broadcast. When all is ready the beams will be collided at 450 GeV (giga-Electron volts). Then the power will be slowly increased to the machine's full power of 5 TeV (tera-Electron volts):

http://www.lhc.ac.uk/latest-news.html

[moonshine]

First particles observed in Large Hadron Collider

http://www.physorg.com/news138982167.html

[moonshine]

Event Horizon: CERN mega-collider coming to life

http://storage.blogs.techtarget.com/2008/08/27/event-horizon-cern-mega-collider-coming-to-life/

People behind the LHC: Mariusz Sapinski

http://www.isgtw.org/?pid=1001333

[duckingdafta]

is it just me? or does anyone else get butterflies in the belly when they read this thread for updates?:D:eek:;)

[lookfar]

is it just me? or does anyone else get butterflies in the belly when they read this thread for updates?:D:eek:;)

Yeah I'm with ya on that DD:eek::D

[whitelightrabbit]

Yeah I'm with ya on that DD:eek::D

that's affirmative.

[moonshine]

Large Hadron Collider: The wait is over

"I WILL probably cry when we see the first collision," says Bilge Demirköz. After spending the best part of a decade designing detectors and writing computer code for them, the 28-year-old physicist is yet to get her hands on real data. That's about to change. In a matter of weeks, the Large Hadron Collider at the CERN laboratory near Geneva, Switzerland, will begin amassing enough data to keep physicists off the streets for decades.

It's an emotional time for Demirköz and thousands of others who have devoted the past few years of their lives to a machine that will change our understanding of reality. The LHC is the daddy of all particle accelerators. Its collisions will generate seven times the energy of its most powerful rival, the Tevatron at Fermilab in Batavia, Illinois. By ...

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg19926711.300-large-hadron-collider-the-wait-is-over.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=top1_head_Large%20Hadron%20Collider:%20The%2 0wait%20is%20over

Large Hadron Collider: Extreme machine
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/large-hadron-collider/mg19926711.400-large-hadron-collider-extreme-machine.html

Large Hadron Collider Set to Start Up (broadcast Friday, August 29th, 2008)
http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200808293

Fresh court bid to block Big Bang experiment

The group includes Swiss, German and Austrian professors, theorists and biochemists, who say the risks of firing up the Large Hadron Collider haven’t been considered properly. They say checks should be as stringent as they are for nuclear power stations and they agree with a lawsuit that was filed in Hawaii, which claims the experiment could create black holes which might swallow up the Earth. CERN says it is examining the group’s action but still insists that the fears are unfounded. The Large Hadron Collider runs underneath the Swiss-French border and it is hoped it will recreate conditions shortly after the Big Bang.

http://www.worldradio.ch/wrs/news/switzerland/group-goes-to-strasbourg-to-try-to-stop-cerns-big-.shtml?11407

[moonshine]

A more detailed recent history of the LHC Safety issue is below.

Former Nuclear Safety Officer Walter L. Wagner discovered flaws with CERN’s safety arguments. He believes that the Large Hadron Collider could create dangerous particles that might destroy Earth, so he filed a law suit to require proof of safety. [1]

In response, CERN scientists created a safety report in 2008 that argues no real chance of danger. [2]

After review, German Astrophysicist Dr. Rainer Plaga argues that CERN’s new report does not prove safety. Dr. Plaga proposes that CERN follow additional safety procedures to help reduce the danger, including proceeding slowly. [3]

On August 14th, CERN’s Dr. Jonathan Ellis stated that there is no real danger and they will not proceed slowly, collisions will begin in a few weeks. [4]

Another German scientist, Professor Dr. Otto E. Rössler theorizes that if micro black holes are created in the Large Hadron Collider, they could grow large enough to destroy Earth in just years or decades. [5]

On August 26, 2008, suit was filed against CERN in the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg alleging the Large Hadron Collider poses grave risks for the safety of the 20 member states of the European Union and their citizens.[6][7]

Dr. Rössler requests that an emergency safety conference be held before collisions begin. He is due to meet Swiss President Pascal Couchepin to discuss safety concerns.

[1] http://www.lhcdefense.org/lhc_legal.php US Federal Lawsuit Filings - Walter L. Wagner

[2] http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/lhc/Safety-en.html The safety of the LHC, Web Site - CERN

[3] http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0808/0808.1415v1.pdf On the potential catastrophic risk from metastable quantum-black holes produced at particle colliders - Rainer Plaga Rebuttal

[4] http://www.lhcfacts.org/?p=72 CERN’s Dr. Ellis tells only half of the story - JTankers

[5] http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/spiritualottoeroessler.pdf A Rational and Moral and Spiritual Dilemma - Otto E. Rōssler Safety Counter Arguments

[6] http://bigsciencenews.blogspot.com/2008/08/suit-alleges-cern-in-violation-of-human.html - Alan Gilis

[7] European Complaint in Germain - Adrian Hollaender, Professor International Law (8/26/2008)

[Ian2day]

Will we see this Stargate go operational or not.

[thegoodnessisgood]

that's affirmative.

Agreed

[lizzy]

That's odd, becasuse the LHC is still in the start-up phase. :confused:

Perhaps they're setting us up for the aliens to arrive from the 5th deminsion

through the Stargate? :eek:

[thegoodnessisgood]

Here is some more synchronicity on this topic:

Spiderman 2 features doctor Oc who is an eight armed villian genius scientist who is over taken by his machine that is used to control his fusion reaction machine. The arms are designed to control the "sun" like reactions within the machine that generate basically unlimited power using fusion and a substance called "tridium" if I have that right. This "power of the sun in the palm of your hand" gets out of control, even though he arrogantly and confidently asserts that there is no danger whatsoever, and that his calculations are unflawed. The machine gets out of control and the little microchip that stops the intelligent machine from controlling his brain function gets destroyed, as a result the lower intelligence of the machine over rides his judgement, and he becomes evil.

The synchronicities are:

- power of the sun in the palm of your hand - shiva the goddess of destruction: and the quotations regarding the power of the suns bringing death

- once the sun goes into an uncontrolled reaction in the movie, it starts to suck everything in onto itself, like the beginning stages of a miniature black hole that will eventually destroy the whole world.

- the arrogance and assurances of scientists to quickly go ahead

- The world wide WEB was developed at CERN on a NEXT computer developed by Steve Jobs the software of which is now known modernly as "Mac OSX"

- Spider man is your friendly neighborhood WEB slinger who makes devil symbols to throw his web

- CERN's logo is 666.

then we revise the other points pertaining to shiva, the ring with points of fire or explosions. Is this a prophecy of a scientific experiment gone wrong - to warn us? Are they embracing this destruction? Do they wish to open a portal to another dimension.

Anyone seen that awful movie howard the duck, by George Lucas of star wars fame? In it, they open a dimension to these evil monsters from space that come in and posses human beings and basically want to end life as we know it.

[smariot]

The singularity lies at the center of the black hole and is no longer part of this universe. A black hole has an event horizon, the distance from the singularity where the escape velocity is the speed of light. That distance depends on the mass of the black hole, so the more mass it gains the farther out that event horizon moves. The more mass the black hole consumes the bigger it gets.
So the the black hole can get bigger. BUT it would take an awful lot of mass to enlarge it much. If the sun were a black hole it would be smaller than a grapefruit. To double it's diameter you would have to dump something like 6 more suns into it.

If the sun became a black hole, the diameter of its event horizon would be 5.908 kilometers, which is significantly larger than a grape fruit.

To double the diameter, you only need one more sun, not six more. Yes, that's not the number you'd get if you were calculating the increase in volume of a sphere with twice the radius, which would be 7 additional suns, but black holes don't care about volume. We're talking about things that store 3D matter in 0D points. Volume be damned.

If the Earth became a black hole, the diameter of its event horizon would be 1.774cm.

[moonshine]

Court rejects protest against big bang machine


The European Court of Human Rights has rejected a complaint against the planned launch of the world's most powerful particle accelerator near the Swiss-French border.

Opponents, including the German biochemist Otto Rössler, tried to block the experiment due to begin on September 10, saying it would result in black holes that could suck up the Earth.

The European Organization for Nuclear Research (Cern) welcomed the court ruling on Friday. It dismisses accusations that the experiment is irresponsible and risky.

The court is still to decide on allegations that the experiment with the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) violates the right to life.

The machine, housed in a circular tunnel near Geneva, will try to recreate conditions just after the so-called big bang - the presumed birth of the universe.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news_digest/Court_rejects_protest_against_big_bang_machine.htm l?siteSect=104&sid=9629335&cKey=1220019791000&ty=nd

[Ian2day]

I expect without doing any research that this will come about on October 13th or 31st. Now someone will post up saying it is due to be fully powered up and online come November or something. I don't like to be chicken little but, be prepared. Just have a few provisions put by, just in case tshtf!

[Ian2day]

Perhaps they're setting us up for the aliens to arrive from the 5th deminsion

through the Stargate? :eek:

The Annunaki is waiting in their moon base perhaps, for something to kick off on Earth. Maybe they will use the LHC Stargate to come into our dimension. Maybe all other civilisation have reached this stage before. Only to bring in this entity from another dimension and have a Nuclear exchange take place which has wiped out each of the previous civilisations. Once our technology is destroyed the Annunaki harvests some humans for its deep freeze adn leaves a few of us behind to breed over the next thoasand yeas. Before it once again returns, to stock up on that yummy sweet tasting human flesh. It just seems to hit that Annunaki spot! They love a good human burger nothing else quite comes close to it!

[cyberdaemon]

The Annunaki is waiting in their moon base perhaps, for something to kick off on Earth. Maybe they will use the LHC Stargate to come into our dimension. Maybe all other civilisation have reached this stage before. Only to bring in this entity from another dimension and have a Nuclear exchange take place which has wiped out each of the previous civilisations. Once our technology is destroyed the Annunaki harvests some humans for its deep freeze adn leaves a few of us behind to breed over the next thoasand yeas. Before it once again returns, to stock up on that yummy sweet tasting human flesh. It just seems to hit that Annunaki spot! They love a good human burger nothing else quite comes close to it!

Wait , if the annunaki is capable of reaching the moon , then why not to the earth ? Doesnt they and theyr secret friends (illuminati) already have hidden stargates in places like himalaya ? At least thats what David Icke talks about , doesnt he ?

[Ian2day]

Wait , if the annunaki is capable of reaching the moon , then why not to the earth ? Doesnt they and theyr secret friends (illuminati) already have hidden stargates in places like himalaya ? At least thats what David Icke talks about , doesnt he ?

Perhaps this planet is just a farm. Most farmers live in the farmhouse while the animals live in the field. I don't have answers just theory's based on what I am aware of. There is only so much I can do on my own.

[guuna]

If I remember correctly that Illuminati mouthpiece shower of cowdung, otherwise known as the BBC, made a 'docudrama' about the destruction of the World by the 'malfunction' of just such a particle collider device that creates a black hole that leads to Earth's destruction.

Could this in fact be the Loomies ultimate detterant for use against the awakening human conciousness? Some form of 'Doomsday weapon'?

I would assume that they have their escape contingency plan, but fear not, right has a funny way of coming out on top.:p

[cyberdaemon]

If I remember correctly that Illuminati mouthpiece shower of cowdung, otherwise known as the BBC, made a 'docudrama' about the destruction of the World by the 'malfunction' of just such a particle collider device that creates a black hole that leads to Earth's destruction.

Could this in fact be the Loomies ultimate detterant for use against the awakening human conciousness? Some form of 'Doomsday weapon'?

I would assume that they have their escape contingency plan, but fear not, right has a funny way of coming out on top.:p

Yea , but many of users here believe the same thing that LHC test would result in black hole.Even if as far as i know , you need a really really large mass to generate black holes capable of destroying the earth.

[moonshine]

More fearmongering!

World's biggest experiment to unlock secrets of Big Bang could cause the end of the world

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1051070/Worlds-biggest-experiment-unlock-secrets-Big-Bang-cause-end-world.html



The End is Nigh: Colliding-atom research will consume the Earth
http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/200835/1900/The-End-is-Nigh-Colliding-atom-research-will-consume-the-Earth

:rolleyes:

[hagbard_celine]

[
On August 26, 2008, suit was filed against CERN in the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg alleging the Large Hadron Collider poses grave risks for the safety of the 20 member states of the European Union and their citizens.[6][7]


And it could ruin your entire day too!:D:D

I love these witty understatements!

[hagbard_celine]

Perhaps they're setting us up for the aliens to arrive from the 5th deminsion

through the Stargate? :eek:


That's always a possibility; the meddling with space and time for some purpose. What might happen? What will come through? See earlier in this thread where we discussed the film The Mist.

David is right; science today is a "mad professor's laboratory. If something can be done it will be done.:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

If the sun became a black hole, the diameter of its event horizon would be 5.908 kilometers, which is significantly larger than a grape fruit.

To double the diameter, you only need one more sun, not six more. Yes, that's not the number you'd get if you were calculating the increase in volume of a sphere with twice the radius, which would be 7 additional suns, but black holes don't care about volume. We're talking about things that store 3D matter in 0D points. Volume be damned.

If the Earth became a black hole, the diameter of its event horizon would be 1.774cm.

So a black hole actually does increase in size as it sucks in more and more matter?

[hagbard_celine]

Court rejects protest against big bang machine



http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news_digest/Court_rejects_protest_against_big_bang_machine.htm l?siteSect=104&sid=9629335&cKey=1220019791000&ty=nd

If the Loomies really are determined to go ahead with their Gotterdammerung Manoevre then I didn't think a mere lawsuit would stop them.:(

[hagbard_celine]

I expect without doing any research that this will come about on October 13th or 31st. Now someone will post up saying it is due to be fully powered up and online come November or something. I don't like to be chicken little but, be prepared. Just have a few provisions put by, just in case tshtf!

A few beers in the fridge I hope.:D

October the 13th is my birthday; it would be a shame if it all ended that day, but then I suppose it has to be someone's birthday.:D

[hagbard_celine]

The Annunaki is waiting in their moon base perhaps, for something to kick off on Earth. Maybe they will use the LHC Stargate to come into our dimension. Maybe all other civilisation have reached this stage before. Only to bring in this entity from another dimension and have a Nuclear exchange take place which has wiped out each of the previous civilisations. Once our technology is destroyed the Annunaki harvests some humans for its deep freeze adn leaves a few of us behind to breed over the next thoasand yeas. Before it once again returns, to stock up on that yummy sweet tasting human flesh. It just seems to hit that Annunaki spot! They love a good human burger nothing else quite comes close to it!


I have a picture in my head of The Mist, but also that Doctor Who episode where the Daleks and Cybermen come streaming out of that stargate.:eek: Something like that could really happen, either by accident of design. I'm reminded also of the scene in the book The Magician's Nephew, of the Narnia series, where Unlce Andrew is talking about travelling beyond the universe to other dimensions: "You could meet anything! Absolutely anything!":eek:

[hagbard_celine]

If I remember correctly that Illuminati mouthpiece shower of cowdung, otherwise known as the BBC, made a 'docudrama' about the destruction of the World by the 'malfunction' of just such a particle collider device that creates a black hole that leads to Earth's destruction.




It was a segment of a partly amusing partly sickening Horizon, a supposed "science programme". Here it is: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T1vKisefsuI

According to Walter Wagner it won't happen like this though; it would take some time for the black hole to emerge.

[hagbard_celine]

Could this in fact be the Loomies ultimate detterant for use against the awakening human conciousness? Some form of 'Doomsday weapon'?

I would assume that they have their escape contingency plan, but fear not, right has a funny way of coming out on top.:p


I think the possibility that the LHC might be a secret a doomsday machine of some kind is there. They may not want to escape though; they may be carrying out a "Gotterdammerung Manouevre", a kind of Scorched Earth policy. Some of them must know that their little game is over; but they're so spiteful that they'd rather destroy the Earth than let free people have it (I go into this in more detail earlier in the thread)..

[hagbard_celine]

Vid debunking the LSAG Report's cosmic rays analogy and Hawking Radiation:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JyWm4p3YK0A&feature=related

[manx angel]

A few beers in the fridge I hope.:D

October the 13th is my birthday; it would be a shame if it all ended that day, but then I suppose it has to be someone's birthday.:D

This is a coincidence Hagbard.

Last night I was looking at photos on Flickr and found a beautiful one of a stained glass window. I was sending it to someone who is very interested in stained glass work. It turns out the theme of the window was the miracle at Fatima. The guy who took the photo had a web site which I looked at.

October 13 1917 - Fatima. I only just clued into that by looking back to get a link.

The man who took the photo has had a number of religious experiences, which included a vision in which Christ told him that on October 13, in this century - year unspecified - 'a message of a great sign is to unfold the humanity in order to validate the existence of God.'

Link is:

www.christian-miracles.com

Click on 'Rays of God's Light' to see the photo of the stained glass window.
and 'Miracle of the Sun' to see what he said about October 13

[the_count]

Yo !
The LHC is dope..............according to these guys anyway :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM

[jahzel]

Only 9 days to go folks till everything get's sucked into a black hole.. :eek:

[hagbard_celine]

This is a coincidence Hagbard.

Last night I was looking at photos on Flickr and found a beautiful one of a stained glass window. I was sending it to someone who is very interested in stained glass work. It turns out the theme of the window was the miracle at Fatima. The guy who took the photo had a web site which I looked at.

October 13 1917 - Fatima. I only just clued into that by looking back to get a link.

The man who took the photo has had a number of religious experiences, which included a vision in which Christ told him that on October 13, in this century - year unspecified - 'a message of a great sign is to unfold the humanity in order to validate the existence of God.'

Link is:

www.christian-miracles.com

Click on 'Rays of God's Light' to see the photo of the stained glass window.
and 'Miracle of the Sun' to see what he said about October 13

It was also the day in 1307 that the Knight's Templar were dissolved (officially);). It was 800 years ago last year.

[hagbard_celine]

Another interview with Walter Wagner:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8_u87dRmkZE&feature=related

I know what I'd say to that intervier: "The world's going to end so shall we make the most of the time we have left?":D:D;)

[hagbard_celine]

Yo !
The LHC is dope..............according to these guys anyway :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM

I've written another verse:D:D:eek::

And after all that rest of our work is complete
We'll discover about the few things that have slipped under our feet.
Mini black holes cluster down in the Earth
At the core of the planet they go and give birth
To a greedy, gobbling monster that no one can stop
That eats up and feeds on our homeworld's rock cold and hot.

And then there's the strangelets, and real strange they are
They start a chain reaction and spreads really far
Converting ever single atom in this planets makeup
Until all that's left's a Quark Star just a bland ball of stuff.

[hagbard_celine]

Only 9 days to go folks till everything get's sucked into a black hole.. :eek:

I'm afraid it will be longer than that.:( A minimum of 5 years according to Otto Rossler; could be longer nobody knows.:confused:

[smariot]

So a black hole actually does increase in size as it sucks in more and more matter?

A black hole is a singularity - a point. It doesn't have a size, but it does have the mass of everything that has been pulled into it.

The event horizon around the black hole however does get larger as it gains mass. The event horizon isn't a physical thing, it's the magic point at which the speed required to escape exceeds the speed of light.

Since supposedly nothing can exceed the speed of light, everything that goes within the event horizon ought to have no choice but to spiral towards the singularity in the center.

[kanz]

This seams like one of those situations where we are playing god so to say.

How people can be designing a machine to make black wholes given the current state the planet is in is just mind boggling. :confused:

[the_count]

I've written another verse:D:D:eek::

Ha thats actually pretty damn good !
See Britain has got talent ! :D

[hagbard_celine]

Ha thats actually pretty damn good !
See Britain has got talent ! :D

I wonder what Sir Alan would say.:D


http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/6798/alansugarc71article1009fc7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[hagbard_celine]

A black hole is a singularity - a point. It doesn't have a size, but it does have the mass of everything that has been pulled into it.

The event horizon around the black hole however does get larger as it gains mass. The event horizon isn't a physical thing, it's the magic point at which the speed required to escape exceeds the speed of light.

Since supposedly nothing can exceed the speed of light, everything that goes within the event horizon ought to have no choice but to spiral towards the singularity in the center.


I see. Thanks for clarifying that:cool:.

[hagbard_celine]

This seams like one of those situations where we are playing god so to say.

How people can be designing a machine to make black wholes given the current state the planet is in is just mind boggling. :confused:

Unless you're a Loomy!:eek:

[lottie]

A black hole is a singularity - a point. It doesn't have a size, but it does have the mass of everything that has been pulled into it.

The event horizon around the black hole however does get larger as it gains mass. The event horizon isn't a physical thing, it's the magic point at which the speed required to escape exceeds the speed of light.

Since supposedly nothing can exceed the speed of light, everything that goes within the event horizon ought to have no choice but to spiral towards the singularity in the center.

Excellent explanation! Thanks! :)

[moonshine]

Why the world WON'T end on September 10

Hurray for the European Court of Human Rights. It has rejected an emergency injunction to block the Large Hadron Collider from turning on on 10 September. It's the latest legal case brought against the LHC by scientists who fear that the world's largest particle accelerator will produce fearsome entities that could destroy the Earth.

I'm thrilled that the ECHR has understood the science and has given the LHC the green light. Because let's get something straight: the world is not going to end on 10 September.

Here's why. Next week physicists will attempt to send a beam of protons all the way round the LHC's 27-kilometre ring for the very first time. What they won't do is accelerate the beam to its design energy of 7 teraelectronvolts (TeV). And unless the tests are very, very successful, they won't be smashing protons head on either.

Instead, a lone beam of protons will make its way round with just 450 gigelectronvolts of energy. The only collisions that could happen is if the beam smashes into one of the very few air molecules that haven't been sucked out of the ring, which has a vacuum 10 times better than on the moon.

Supposing this does happen, the collision energy will be a paltry 30 gigaelectronvolts (30 GeV). That's a far cry from the 14 TeV collision energy that the LHC will produce when it is running at full speed. You simply can't make much in the way of heavy, exotic particles with just 30 GeV of energy. No top quarks, no W or Z particles, no Higgs bosons. And that's just the regular stuff: there certainly is not enough energy to make mini black holes, strangelets, magnetic monopoles or anything else exotic that critics purport could destroy the Earth.

OK, so we have a reprieve of a few months until physicists finish their tests and start creating collisions with 14 TeV of energy. What will happen then? This is uncharted territory for particle accelerators. And the trouble with venturing into the unknown is that you don’t know what will be there. This is what excites physicists and, perhaps understandably, is grist for the mill for doom-mongers.

Theorists have speculated about all manner of things popping into existence, including the infamous mini black holes. Critics claim that these will grow uncontrollably as they suck in matter, eventually gobbling everything in their path. One such opponent is Otto Rössler, a theoretical chemist at the University of Tübingen in Germany, and one of the plaintiffs in the ECHR case. He claims that in the worst case, the Earth could be eaten by a mini black hole in 50 months.

Really, I don't think so. I admit I have a hard time believing theorists' usual line that Stephen Hawking will save us. Hawking's most famous research shows that black holes - the giant ones we see in space - slowly evaporate due to a process called Hawking radiation. Being much smaller, mini black holes should evaporate within microseconds. Trouble is, no one has seen Hawking radiation. So why should I put humanity's hopes in a theoretical physicist?

No, for me, there is a much more compelling argument why the LHC won't destroy the world. And it doesn't rely on theoretical flights of fancy. Whatever the LHC churns up out of all the collision energy, we've been there before. Cosmic rays from outer space are raining down on us all the time and they can reach truly staggering energies. You can get the same collision energy as the LHC from a 108-GeV cosmic ray slamming into the atmosphere. And there are plenty of cosmic rays with such energies.

Cosmic ray experiments all over the world - experiments that have nothing to do with the CERN laboratory where the LHC is based - have found that about 10-14 rays with energy greater than the LHC strike each square centimetre of Earth every second. That might not sound like much. But over the Earth’s 4.5 billion year lifetime, that makes 1022 collisions or 100,000 times more than the LHC will ever produce. Obviously, in that time no mini black holes, vacuum bubbles, killer strangelets or any other weird effects have eaten the planet.

Not convinced? Scale the cosmic ray sums up to cover the 100 billion stars in the Milky Way and the 100 billion galaxies in the visible universe and you find that nature has already made the equivalent of 1031 LHCs. Or if you like, 10 trillion LHCs are running every second. And we're still here.

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/shortsharpscience/2008/09/why-world-wont-end-on-september-10.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=specrt14_head_Apocalypse%20axed

Photos and graphics of the Large Hadron Collider are available at:
http://www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1026735

It’s time to circle a particle beam through the Large Hadron Collider
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/20393/1066/

[moonshine]

Contact + Stargate = The Large Hadron Collider

Amazing! It boggles the mind to think that mere humans could have constructed such an amazing and intricate piece of technology. Although, the thought that the world could end in milliseconds is slightly frightening. I feel for those poor Francophones living within the 27 km circle…

http://postmeridiem.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/contact-stargate-the-large-hadron-collider/

[sidreighn]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jahzel
Only 9 days to go folks till everything get's sucked into a black hole..


I'm afraid it will be longer than that.:( A minimum of 5 years according to Otto Rossler; could be longer nobody knows.:confused:


Is this your belief?

[duckingdafta]

http://www.audioo.com/listen/track/05ff9beb3169c55
just a little interview

[hagbard_celine]

Why the world WON'T end on September 10



http://www.newscientist.com/blog/shortsharpscience/2008/09/why-world-wont-end-on-september-10.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=specrt14_head_Apocalypse%20axed

Photos and graphics of the Large Hadron Collider are available at:
http://www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1026735

It’s time to circle a particle beam through the Large Hadron Collider
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/20393/1066/

This is no comfort at all I'm afraid. Did the article's author listen to Walter Wagner's interview on Coast to Coast? (See above in this thread) Wagner debunks the LSAG conclusion about cosmic rays from space being higher energy and so MBH's are harmless. As he says, the particles and MBH's produced by cosmic ray impacts with the Earth are travelling at enormous speeds; far to fast to be effected the the Rarth's gravity well. They just fly harmlessly off into space after just gobbling an atom or two. Not so with the MBH's from the LHC; they will be made and will remain withinin the Earth's gravitational field. There they will accumulate and the more that are produced the quicker they will cluster and amalgamate into a larger black hole.

[hagbard_celine]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jahzel
Only 9 days to go folks till everything get's sucked into a black hole..





Is this your belief?

No, I'm just quoting Dr Rossler.

[hagbard_celine]

http://www.audioo.com/listen/track/05ff9beb3169c55
just a little interview

Thanks, mate. That was interesting.

Professor Watkins' famous last words!:D They'll look good on his Akashic gravestone!;)

[hagbard_celine]

Contact + Stargate = The Large Hadron Collider


http://postmeridiem.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/contact-stargate-the-large-hadron-collider/

The local people living nearby CERN will be about as better off as the Titanic passengers six inches closer to the iceberg!:D

[lenejento]

Just a thought that came, if it really was going to end the world would TPTB continue their political agenda like they are doing? Isn't it just fear mongering?

If there really was a chance that this might happen, TPTB aren't making themselves look very good right now, starting wars etc. Hopefully it will open more peoples' eyes... Either way it would make them look bad, if it's not dangerous then the people would (hopefully) think that they must've known that or they would act differently, if it, (or the people now believe it is because of the media), is they must NOW (hopefully) think the politicians are heartless maniacs starting wars now when the world might end in a few days.

Maybe they won't see it and gain the knowledge straight away, but they will feel it in their hearts I believe...

God, I find it hard to explain what I feel/think sometimes.. :rolleyes:

[moonshine]

Next Stop: The Fourth Dimension, With Large Hadron Collider Experiments

How did the universe come to be? What is it made of? What is mass? Can science prove that there are other dimensions?

We may have answers soon. On September 10, 2008, Tel Aviv University’s Prof. Erez Etzion from the School of Physics and Astronomy will be in the control room of the new CERN Large Hadron Collider (LHC) on the border of France and Switzerland when the LHC is first turned on. Scientists are calling it the largest experiment in the world. It’s taken about 6,000 researchers, $8 billion and ten years to build.

Of the 50 countries that have participated in the project, Israel is among those which have made the greatest contributions. Tel Aviv University in particular has played an essential role in constructing equipment for the collider tunnel, dug deep inside the Swiss-French Alps. And when the switch is thrown in September, science may be changed forever.

Prof. Etzion, an experimental physicist in high-energy research, expects the impact of the LHC to be greater than that of the first moon landing. “It is hard to grasp the dimensions of the practical benefits from this project,” he says, “but we’re expecting to explore the basic forces that hold the world together."

Getting to the Heart of the Matter

If all goes according to plan, the superconducting magnets in the collider will zap atomic particles around the 17-mile tunnel at roughly the speed of light. Then the scientists will smash the particles together, replicating what happened mere nanoseconds after the first big bang.

Prof. Etzion participated in the design and construction of the trigger chambers for ATLAS, one of the two main detectors in the collider. This critical piece of machinery will decide what online data to record -- and what data to discard -- from the 1 billion atomic collisions per second. There is no storage disk space in the universe big enough to hold all the data, says Prof. Etzion, making this detector a key component in the success of the LHC.

May The “Z*” Be With You

Prof. Etzion will be watching closely to see what happens to proton beams colliding at super speeds. While invisible particles are expected to leave a trace like a watermark after they collide, he believes that some particles will escape detection, possibly travelling to other dimensions.

This is an exotic theory, Prof. Etzion admits, but one which may explain why the force of gravity appears to be so weak. “It could be that while all the matter we know is trapped in three space dimensions, a gravity carrier can move into additional dimensions, resulting in a diluted gravitational force”, he says, noting he and his colleagues will be looking for particles delivered by a force carrier called the “Z*” or “zee star.” The physicists hypothesize that the Z* may be able to move between our own three-dimensional world and other hidden dimensions.

The notion of new dimensions is stranger than science fiction, though the possibility of their existence is quite real. Prof. Etzion believes that other dimensions may exist in parallel to ours, but that -- until now -- they were too small for us to experimentally detect. “For the first time we will reach a new energy scale in our lab, the Tera electron volt regime, and we expect to discover new phenomena there,” he says. “At such high energies, we may be able to stimulate particles to jump through dimensions and can measure this by the disappearance of mass or energy, or the appearance of new excited state towers of particles.”

Hanging by a Vibrating String

Prof. Etzion’s research falls within a branch of theoretical physics known as string theory. The theory posits that all matter is made up of vibrating strings of energy, suggesting six or more dimensions we cannot see affect everything we do and see. It is an appealing model to physicists, since it offers mathematical solutions to the major unanswered questions in particle physics.

This September, physicists around the world will be on the edges of their seats to see what happens when the first beam is circulated through the collider. The first high-energy collisions are expected to take place in October 2008.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080903112026.htm

[hagbard_celine]

Just a thought that came, if it really was going to end the world would TPTB continue their political agenda like they are doing? Isn't it just fear mongering?

If there really was a chance that this might happen, TPTB aren't making themselves look very good right now, starting wars etc. Hopefully it will open more peoples' eyes... Either way it would make them look bad, if it's not dangerous then the people would (hopefully) think that they must've known that or they would act differently, if it, (or the people now believe it is because of the media), is they must NOW (hopefully) think the politicians are heartless maniacs starting wars now when the world might end in a few days.

Maybe they won't see it and gain the knowledge straight away, but they will feel it in their hearts I believe...

God, I find it hard to explain what I feel/think sometimes.. :rolleyes:

My own view is that if the LHC is dangerous then TBTB know about it and actually built it deliberately to destroy the Earth, a "Gotterdammerung Manouevre" (See above for details)

The thing about how it looks is that if it is not dangerous we will never know. We have no means of detecting MBH's because they are too small, almost the Planck Length a trillion-trillionth of a milimetre. (If a newly-formed MBH expanded to pin-head size an atom would expand to the size of the solar system) and we don';t know how long it will take them to grow to a dangerous size. If the LHC is dangerous we will only know about it in the last few minutes as earthquakes begin before the Earth is engulfed. We could run the thing for 1000's of years and still be wondering if the MBH's are bulding up. It may already be too late because of the RHIC collider. The LHC will only accellerate the process already irreperabley began by the RHIC.

[hagbard_celine]

Next Stop: The Fourth Dimension, With Large Hadron Collider Experiments



http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080903112026.htm

Oops!:eek: Has he seen The Mist?

[moonshine]

Oops!:eek: Has he seen The Mist?

I think he hasn't!:eek:

I saw it last week after reading this thread, it give me the creeps.

[onourwayto2012]

Well I'll take the black hole over being stuck in a camp. Be kinda trippy to be like nowhere and everywhere at the same time. Just so it doesn't hurt too much.

[friendsinthesky]

Thanks, mate. That was interesting.

Professor Watkins' famous last words!:D They'll look good on his Akashic gravestone!;)


He he, that's funny. But! Has anyone told Lord William about this? I don't think he'll be terribly impressed, he is yet to rule the world.

[hagbard_celine]

I think he hasn't!:eek:

I saw it last week after reading this thread, it give me the creeps.

It scared the hell out of me. And the ending was one of the grimest and most ironic I've ever seen!:eek:

But's it's fascinating. It says that messing around with other dimensions is not to be undertaken lightly. How strange that Stephen Hawking warns about the trivial attitude taken by SETI to contacting aliens in outer space, yet doesn't seem to be bothered about building bridges to other places in hyper space!:rolleyes:

[hagbard_celine]

He he, that's funny. But! Has anyone told Lord William about this? I don't think he'll be terribly impressed, he is yet to rule the world.

Hmm, I wonder if the Illuminati are united in this plan.:confused: Maybe they'll split into two factions and one faction will step in and shut down the LHC.

[moonshine]

How the Large Hadron Collider Might Change the Web

When the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) begins smashing protons together this fall inside its 17-mile- (27-kilometer-) circumference underground particle racetrack near Geneva, Switzerland, it will usher in a new era not only of physics but also of computing.

Before the year is out, the LHC is projected to begin pumping out a tsunami of raw data equivalent to one DVD (five gigabytes) every five seconds. Its annual output of 15 petabytes (15 million gigabytes) will soon dwarf that of any other scientific experiment in history.

The challenge is making that data accessible to a scientist anywhere in the world at the execution of a few commands on her laptop. The solution is a global computer network called the LHC Computing Grid, and with any luck, it may be giving us a glimpse of the Internet of the future.

Continued...
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=how-lhc-may-change-internet


Souls of the new machine
http://www.praguepost.com/articles/2008/09/03/souls-of-the-new-machine.php

[dangermouse]

and it all goes wrong an end up with half life 2 .. aliens everywhere and a tyrannical:rolleyes: world government

[sithnemesis]

:( :o :rolleyes: :)

[smurf]

It scared the hell out of me. And the ending was one of the grimest and most ironic I've ever seen!:eek:

But's it's fascinating. It says that messing around with other dimensions is not to be undertaken lightly. How strange that Stephen Hawking warns about the trivial attitude taken by SETI to contacting aliens in outer space, yet doesn't seem to be bothered about building bridges to other places in hyper space!:rolleyes:

The book was better. :p

[moonshine]

The book was better. :p

I agree, the tone was much darker and the ending give you hope.

[titurel]

When is this being turned on, the last I heard it was ment to be some time this month?
This contraption doesn't turn me on no matter how large or hard it attests to be. Sounds like this large hardon has a habit of colliding with things, which is why they called it a Large Hardon Collider?

[nimlyn]

It says that messing around with other dimensions is not to be undertaken lightly. How strange that Stephen Hawking warns about the trivial attitude taken by SETI to contacting aliens in outer space, yet doesn't seem to be bothered about building bridges to other places in hyper space!:rolleyes:

I wondered about the same thing when I lived in South Australia a couple of years ago because I saw (you’re gonna think me truly nuts now) a foot long insect pop out of thin air for a few seconds before disappearing again. I thought that the huge black millipede wriggling up a wall and behind a curtain was down to my imagination but around about the same time of year I heard from another person who told me about seeing giant dinner plate sized spiders run across the walls and ceilings then disappear…:eek:

I didn’t know about the LHC back then but I did muse over the extra-dimensional theory and the possibility of scientists from here or somewhere else meddling with nature.

[logic bomb]

Scientists get death threats over Large Hadron Collider

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/09/05/scilhc105.xml

Scientists working on the world's biggest machine are being besieged by phone calls and emails from people who fear the world will end next Wednesday, when the gigantic atom smasher starts up.

[hagbard_celine]

The book was better. :p


I gather it has a happier ending... which is not saying much!:D But they do get rescued before shooting themselves.

[hagbard_celine]

How the Large Hadron Collider Might Change the Web


Continued...
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=how-lhc-may-change-internet


Souls of the new machine
http://www.praguepost.com/articles/2008/09/03/souls-of-the-new-machine.php

I don't want my PC turning into a black hole thanks!:D

Maybe it will be an "Intenet II" with censorship.

[hagbard_celine]

This contraption doesn't turn me on no matter how large or hard it attests to be. Sounds like this large hardon has a habit of colliding with things, which is why they called it a Large Hardon Collider?

:D:D "Hi, girls! Look at the size of my Atlas Experiment! Wanna take a spin round the clockwise torus with me?";)

[hagbard_celine]

I wondered about the same thing when I lived in South Australia a couple of years ago because I saw (you’re gonna think me truly nuts now) a foot long insect pop out of thin air for a few seconds before disappearing again. I thought that the huge black millipede wriggling up a wall and behind a curtain was down to my imagination but around about the same time of year I heard from another person who told me about seeing giant dinner plate sized spiders run across the walls and ceilings then disappear…:eek:

I didn’t know about the LHC back then but I did muse over the extra-dimensional theory and the possibility of scientists from here or somewhere else meddling with nature.

That sounds a bit like that 18th Century scientist in the book The Holographic Universe who managed to make living insects manifest out of thin air by running an electric current through a certain kind of metallic lump. I can't remember his name, nor can I find the right page in the book which discusses it!:mad: I'll have to read it all over again!:rolleyes: Never mind; it's an effin' good book.:cool:

[mido]

"Scientists get death threats over Large Hadron Collider"

Some years back an experiment to create a black hole in the US caused a bit of a stir. What happened? Take a guess.

[hagbard_celine]

Scientists get death threats over Large Hadron Collider

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/09/05/scilhc105.xml

Scientists working on the world's biggest machine are being besieged by phone calls and emails from people who fear the world will end next Wednesday, when the gigantic atom smasher starts up.

said Prof Brian Cox of Manchester University, adding: "Anyone who thinks the LHC will destroy the world is a twat."


"Ee, there's nowt to worry about!" That's what John Gummer said a few years agoa bout BSE, then they went on to admit that some CJD cases were caused by infected beef!:rolleyes: When that Mancunian git feels the tremors of the underground black hole, will he have time to apologize?;):cool:

[hagbard_celine]

"Scientists get death threats over Large Hadron Collider"

Some years back an experiment to create a black hole in the US caused a bit of a stir. What happened? Take a guess.

Maybe its a secret weapon delvelopemnt. If you want to wipe out a planet you just send an LHC through space until it hits the target. Remote possibility I know, but worth mentioning.:D

[lottie]

I really disbelieve its gonna create a black hole....but hey what would i know?:rolleyes: We're already in a 'black whole' but i dont deny that i believe this whole thing has anything to do with finding particles.... as i was watching Nassim Harameins talk for the 3rd time last night...:o (oh he's so hot!! lol) he was saying about the LHC and the pointlessness to it....the further you look into the nature of particles and what makes them...the urther you'll get...they are infinitely small so you can continue going smaller and smaller to infinity and you'll still never find the answer, the universe is fractalised!!!

[moonshine]

"Prof Brian Cox of Manchester University, adding: "Anyone who thinks the LHC will destroy the world is a twat."

And this guys a Scientist?:eek: We're doomed!

[sharpiesix]

Maybe its a secret weapon delvelopemnt. If you want to wipe out a planet you just send an LHC through space until it hits the target. Remote possibility I know, but worth mentioning.:D

I've been trying to figure this out too. I cant see the worlds scientific community putting so much money into a project that will result in such a small finding. I'm with you, it has to be a weapon, its the only reason such a vast amount of money should be spent. Also particles traveling that fast in a circle could create a vortex of electrical energy. Kind of like an induction coil. Its the magnetic field outside the LHC I'm worried about. Something strange is going to happen. Maybe put your favorite electrical devices in a Faraday cage (metal tin) next week. :D

[_invisibleplane_]

I really disbelieve its gonna create a black hole....but hey what would i know?:rolleyes: We're already in a 'black whole' but i dont deny that i believe this whole thing has anything to do with finding particles.... as i was watching Nassim Harameins talk for the 3rd time last night...:o (oh he's so hot!! lol) he was saying about the LHC and the pointlessness to it....the further you look into the nature of particles and what makes them...the urther you'll get...they are infinitely small so you can continue going smaller and smaller to infinity and you'll still never find the answer, the universe is fractalised!!!

gotta say I agree

following this direction to keep trying to probe the tiniest particles in existence is likely a never ending process. a big waste of time and resources in that sense. meanwhile those who study quantum physics are busy learning the names of various micro particles in which some haven't even been fully proven to exist...rather than focusing on the underlying principles that occur on every level (through the fractal structure). funny how this knowledge is for free and can be understood simply through observing the fractal nature of our universe along with aspects of this planet. gotta love how it compares to what we call an education in quantum physics.

sharpiesix makes a good point as well in that such a huge project would not be financed if it was to be relatively uneventful.

[hunger]

http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html

Yep those plastic hats are surely mini black hole proof :rolleyes:

[jojo]

Maybe this vid was a portent of whats to come!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiSkyEyBczU

[sithnemesis]

gotta say I agree

following this direction to keep trying to probe the tiniest particles in existence is likely a never ending process. a big waste of time and resources in that sense. meanwhile those who study quantum physics are busy learning the names of various micro particles in which some haven't even been fully proven to exist...rather than focusing on the underlying principles that occur on every level (through the fractal structure). funny how this knowledge is for free and can be understood simply through observing the fractal nature of our universe along with aspects of this planet. gotta love how it compares to what we call an education in quantum physics.

sharpiesix makes a good point as well in that such a huge project would not be financed if it was to be relatively uneventful.

I do agree with you invisibleplane and lottie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider)

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is the world's largest particle accelerator complex, intended to collide opposing beams of 7 TeV protons. Its main purpose is to explore the validity and limitations of the Standard Model, the current theoretical picture for particle physics. The LHC was built by the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), and lies under the Franco-Swiss border near Geneva, Switzerland.

The LHC is the world's largest and the highest-energy particle accelerator. It is funded and built in collaboration with over eight thousand physicists from over eighty-five countries as well as hundreds of universities and laboratories. The idea of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), began in the early 1980s. The first approval of the project by the CERN Council occurred in December 1994 and the first civil engineering construction work began in April 1998.

The collider is currently undergoing commissioning while being cooled down to its final operating temperature of approximately 1.9 K (−271.25 °C). Initial particle beam injections were successfully carried out on 8-11 August, 2008, the first attempt to circulate a beam through the entire LHC is scheduled for 10 September 2008, and the first high-energy collisions are planned to take place after the LHC is officially unveiled, on 21 October 2008.

When activated, it is theorized that the collider will produce the elusive Higgs boson, the observation of which could confirm the predictions and "missing links" in the Standard Model of physics and could explain how other elementary particles acquire properties such as mass. The verification of the existence of the Higgs boson would be a significant step in the search for a Grand Unified Theory, which seeks to unify three of the four known fundamental forces: electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force, leaving out only gravity. The Higgs boson may also help to explain why gravitation is so weak compared to the other three forces. In addition to the Higgs boson, other theorized particles, models and states might be produced, and for some searches are planned, including supersymmetric particles, compositeness (technicolor), extra dimensions, strangelets, micro black holes and magnetic monopoles.

Although a few individuals have questioned the safety of the planned experiments in the media and through the courts, the consensus in the scientific community is that there is no basis for any conceivable threat.

BBC Horizon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvEK5uZXpZU

The New Internet – Downloads at 10,000 Times Faster Than The current Broadband
19 years after Tim Berner Lee at CERN created the Internet, another innovation is in the making there that could once again completely revolutionize the way we access the information. CERN has been. Working on Grid Computing, CERN, the particle physics laboratory has tested speeds which are around 10,000 times the broadband speeds of today. The new Internet has the ability to deliver mammoth amount of data within seconds.

David Britton who is a professor of physics at Glasgow University and a leading figure in the grid project, believes grid technologies “could revolutionize society”.

“With this kind of computing power , future generations can collaborate and communicate in ways older people like me cannot even imagine,”

As with almost all major computing milestones, work on GRID computing started inCERN when it realized that the titanic amount of data – around 56m CDs – will be generated by its new Large Hadron Collider (LHC), its new particle accelerator built to investigate the origin of the Universe. The grid at CERN will go live from the day the LHC is turned ON, to capture the data that it will generate.

Faster speeds are always welcome. However, this initiative by CERN is not the same. The older Internet is still largely based on the telephony network. Those systems were not designed for data. The newer system is almost completely made up of Fibre Optic cables and ultra-modern routing equipments and is highly optimized for data transfers.

Maybe this vid was a portent of whats to come!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiSkyEyBczU
Yeah Black Hole Sun - nice Choice jojo :)

:( :o :rolleyes: :)

[baron von lotsov]

"Prof Brian Cox of Manchester University, adding: "Anyone who thinks the LHC will destroy the world is a twat."



And this guys a Scientist?:eek: We're doomed!


Yes, you are doomed for believing such a load of crap.

[sidreighn]

Pettition to shut down and dismantle the LHC:

http://www.petitiononline.com/stopLHC/petition.html

Hagbard. I admire your optimism. Misguided though I think it is, because I doubt they would listen to a few silent names on paper.

Best wishes.

[bicycle]

SCIENTISTS from Cambridge are getting ready to participate in the biggest experiment the world has ever seen.

Two teams of experts at Cambridge University's famous Cavendish Laboratory have been helping to build the Large Hadron Collider, a gigantic machine sunk 100m (328ft) underground at the foot of the Jura mountains near Geneva.

The aim of the device, the most complex piece of machinery ever built, is to investigate the Universe itself. It is a particle accelerator, used by physicists to study the smallest known particles - the building blocks of all things.

When the machine is switched on, next Wednesday, it will begin a process that could take a decade or more, but which the scientists hope will reveal profound insights into the origins and nature of the Universe. Two beams of particles called hadrons will travel in opposite directions inside the circular accelerator, gaining energy with every lap, and the physicists will try to recreate the conditions just after the Big Bang, by colliding the two beams head-on at very high energy.

Teams of physicists from around the world will then analyse the particles created in the collisions using special detectors.

At the Cavendish Lab, part of the university's Department of Physics, scientists have been involved in several aspects of the huge project, including developing silicon micro chip sensors that will be used to measure what happens inside the accelerator. Once the experiment is up and running, they will also be involved in analysing the data produced.

The work has meant experts from the lab making frequent trips to Switzerland, and some of them will be there on Wednesday when the machine is switched on.

Dr John Hill, a member of the Cavendish team, said: "The part of the project we have been working on is designing and making one of the tracking detectors that will be used when the beams of particles collide. As the particles move out, they leave a signature which allows us to find out information like what direction they have taken, how fast they were going, and so on.

"Getting the particle collider up and running takes a considerable amount of time, of course, and once it is going, monitoring it becomes a
24/seven operation.

"We have been working on this for some time, and we are all very excited about what we might discover."

It is difficult for people who have not seen the enormous machine to understand exactly how big it is. The particle accelerator itself, described simply, is a long metal tube about twice the diameter of a sewer drain, laid in a circular tunnel that is nearly 17 miles long - about the length of the Circle Line on the London Underground.

Trillions of particles will whiz around the tube at fantastic speed, about 100 times the speed of light, with 600 million collisions taking place every second.

Watching what happens will be hundreds of scientists brought together from all over the world by the organisation mounting the experiment, CERN - Conseil Européen pour la Recherche Nucléaire, the European Organisation for Nuclear Research.

One of the discoveries they hope to make is evidence of the as-yet-undetected Higgs boson, the so-called God particle which could help to explain why matter has mass.

Dr Hill said: "It's hard for people to get a sense of how big the entire machine is without seeing it, but one way is to imagine its overall height, which is five storeys. It is the size of a cathedral."

As other experts have been doing this week, he was quick to debunk the notion that the launch of the experiment next week will herald, Doctor
Who-like, a doomsday scenario.

Fears have been raised that the particle accelerator will create a black hole that will swell - and devour the planet.

"That is not something we need to take at all seriously," Dr Hill said. "Any black holes that are created will be miniscule, and will evaporate."

The switch-on will be shown on TV, and BBC Radio 4 will host a whole day of programmes related to physics, called Big Bang Day.


http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn_news_home/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=346550

[moonshine]

Yes, you are doomed for believing such a load of crap.

I never get tired of seeing that old shill inflammatory tactic.:rolleyes:

Why the hell are you a member of this forum boron? it's obvious by reading most of your posts, that your true intentions are negative. This guy comes out with a lot of immature disrespectful antagonistic comments most of time on here.

This rat is being added to my ignore list.;)

[moonshine]

The Large Hadron Collider: "the most extreme historical reenactment society ever"

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/09/07/the_large_hadron_collider_the_most_extreme_histori cal_reenactment_society_ever.html

[deafbred]

it is interesting to think that this atom movement being created close by us on the world is going to bound to effect us in some way i'd imagine physically mentally spiritually positivly or negativly

vibrationly? frequency wise.

wow..yeah to imagine the utter fathom of the movement of the motion that will purge the hemisphere near to a depart art that will create/open up a void difference that will slice the space time fabric into an altered signifigance that will shift paridigms to a slice dice that will resist its opening up but remainder to a substantial substance sync correlation transistion effected result

the wind is going to change eh?

maybe more

[moonshine]

What We’ll Find Inside The Atom


The telescope that Galileo built in the late 1500s had the magnifying power of a pair of inexpensive binoculars available in any Wal-Mart, but it was enough to open up a new world. With this simple instrument, Galileo could see that Jupiter has four moons and that the sun has spots, which led him to the conclusion that the sun was rotating. Most spectacular, he found that the planet Venus had phases—powerful evidence that the Copernican view of our solar system, in which the sun, rather than the earth, is at the center, was correct. As people built better telescopes, knowledge of this complex, beautiful new world of the cosmos evolved. We became aware of a vast universe filled with bizarre objects—pulsars, quasars, black holes—and that we were inhabitants of an insignificant dot, part of a galaxy of billions of stars carrying their own solar systems.

Continued
http://www.newsweek.com/id/157516

[hagbard_celine]

And this guys a Scientist?:eek: We're doomed!


When the Earth-termours begin in 5 years, this is the black holes eating the planet alive from the inside what's he going to say?

That will wipe the cheezy grin of that Mancunian git's face!:D:mad:

[hagbard_celine]

I've been trying to figure this out too. I cant see the worlds scientific community putting so much money into a project that will result in such a small finding. I'm with you, it has to be a weapon, its the only reason such a vast amount of money should be spent. Also particles traveling that fast in a circle could create a vortex of electrical energy. Kind of like an induction coil. Its the magnetic field outside the LHC I'm worried about. Something strange is going to happen. Maybe put your favorite electrical devices in a Faraday cage (metal tin) next week. :D

Actually Wagner said that himself. He said that the activity of the collider, and the magnets surrounding it, create an enormous electrical field. He also said that one of the reason it's buried is to prevent electromagetic radiation from outside interfereing with the experiment. This has been a problem with radioastronomy, and now it's a problem with hyperastronomy!

[hagbard_celine]

Hagbard. I admire your optimism. Misguided though I think it is, because I doubt they would listen to a few silent names on paper.

Best wishes.


I know what you mean. Wagner and his supporters are a very small minority. The LHC is going to be started. We can only hope Wagner is wrong.

If he's right we can only hope that someone out there intervenes to stop it. I'm intensely repelled from the idea that we've got to wait to be saved by divine intervention, the Messiah, or god-like aliens coming down from the sky etc. I've always believed that we humans are masters of our own destiny and therefore our own saviours. On the other hand, if we're heading for destruction and we can't stop it and some friendly passing hyperdimensional being offers to lend a hand then I'll happily swallow my pride and accept! :eek:

[hagbard_celine]

Yes, you are doomed for believing such a load of crap.

You really think they wouldn't do it?;) Then you underestimate their malice, Baron.

[hagbard_celine]

The Large Hadron Collider: "the most extreme historical reenactment society ever"

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/09/07/the_large_hadron_collider_the_most_extreme_histori cal_reenactment_society_ever.html


Does it occur to anyone that the Big Bang, the start of our physical universe, is actually not meant to be reenacted?:eek: Actually repalying Point A of Creation could have undreamt of side-effects! Maybe even Wagner etc have not forseen them all! What if causes us to jump to Point Z!?