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chattanova
31-05-2008, 10:56 AM
Pleas to leave lost Amazon tribe alone

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'Strong warriors' ... appeals have been made to leave alone the members of one of Brazil's last uncontacted Indian tribes, photographed in the Amazon jungle near the Peruvian border.

APPEALS have been made to leave alone the members of one of Brazil's last uncontacted Indian tribes, spotted in the Amazon jungle near the Peruvian border.

The Indians were sighted and photographed from an aircraft or helicopter during flights over the rainforest in remote Acre state, said Brazil's National Indian Foundation, known as Funai.

Funai said it photographed "strong and healthy" warriors, six huts and a large planted area.

The photographs show red-painted tribe members brandishing bows and arrows.

Funai said it was not known to which tribe they belonged.

"Four distinct isolated peoples exist in this region, whom we have accompanied for 20 years," Funai expert Jose Carlos Meirelles Junior said.

"We did the overflight to show their houses, to show they are there, to show they exist," he said.

"This is very important because there are some who doubt their existence."

The tribe spotted recently is one of the last not to be contacted by officials.

Funai does not make contact with such tribes and prevents invasions of their land to ensure their autonomy, the foundation said.

Survival International said the Indians were in danger from illegal logging in Peru, which is driving uncontacted tribes over the border and could lead to conflict with the estimated 500 uncontacted Indians now living on the Brazilian side.

There are more than 100 uncontacted tribes worldwide, most of them in Brazil and Peru, the group said.

"These pictures are further evidence that uncontacted tribes really do exist," Survival director Stephen Corry said.

"The world needs to wake up to this, and ensure that their territory is protected in accordance with international law. Otherwise, they will soon be made extinct."

Mr Meirelles described the threats to such tribes and their land as "a monumental crime against the natural world" and "further testimony to the complete irrationality with which we, the 'civilised' ones, treat the world", the BBC reported.

One Australian-based linguist says the tribe should be left alone.

LaTrobe University professor Alexandra Aikhenvald said contact with white people had not brought much good to indigenous tribes in history so far.

"My reaction is excitement because it is always extremely interesting to see new peoples being discovered," she told ABC radio.

"But I think they would be extremely scared after seeing the aircraft.

"They may just leave because they may have this idea that is some sort of gigantic bird that wants to engulf them all or that it is some sort of invaders or anything like that caution and care."

Ms Aikhenvald doubts the tribe has never had contact with white people, but says it is not impossible.

"Many of them had contact with white people at different times in the past but basically in the 19th Century and then during the rubber boom, many of them just fled," she said.

"Maybe they are descendants of those groups that fled from white supremacy maybe 100 or more years ago."

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23782262-2,00.html

Related thread - 'They exist' - uncontacted Indians spotted from the air http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11181


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chattanova
31-05-2008, 11:08 AM
Gallery; Lost world

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hagbard_celine
01-06-2008, 04:32 PM
This is happening more and more as logges and prospectors, having devastated more accessible regions, are moving deeper into the Amazon jungle.

Here's another incident: http://www.survival-international.org/news/2507

It’s generally assumed that the human exploration of the Earth is complete; that in this day and age we’ve traveled over every square inch of our planet’s land and there are no places that “civilized” man has never set foot. That’s a fallacy. Vast areas of this world have never been walked on by explorers and have only been mapped in recent years by satellite; in Africa, Siberia, North America, New Guinea and particularly the Amazon. Massive areas of this vast forest have remained hidden from the rest of the world. The photo was taken from a plane that flew over a very remote area and found people living there! The photo shows a traditional Indian village, of the type all Amazonians used to live in before they were “civilized” by Western Conquistadors. The astonished residents are staring up at the aircraft. What is going through their heads is unimaginable! Imagine you’d lived your whole life in a tribal culture in the woods and knew nothing of the world beyond it. What would you think if you saw an aeroplane for the first time? What would you think if you saw people of a different race for the first time? Would you even identify them as human beings like yourself?

The region where these Indians live is being opened up to the outside world. For the people who live there, I dread to think what will happen. They’re going to experience something very similar to what the whole world experiences in the novel War of the Worlds by HG Wells. To them we are an empire from another galaxy descending on their defenseless little world. Logging companies will eventually try to take over and wipe out the very jungle that has been the core of their environment. The people will be exposed to our technology and it will seem like magic to them. They’ll be shown a world of proportions and diversity beyond their capacity to understand. History has shown that they’ll probably succum to Western vices of alcohol, drugs, money and modern hi-tech warfare. They’ll pick up diseases that their immune systems have never had to face before. They MUST be protected.

For the time being, they should be left well alone. Maybe in the future, when we have a kinder and more peaceful and respectful world, we can go out and make contact with them. Then we can exchange ideas on a one-to-one basis. Interaction between our culture and theirs is not necessarily a bad thing, so long as it is carefully controlled and the needs of the recipients made a top priority. Let this interaction with modern culture be on a one-to-one basis instead of an exercise in aggressive conformism!

shansuke
02-06-2008, 01:53 PM
somehow i cant believe its the first time they have seen an aircraft considering the amount of them in the skys these days........oh and i wonder what ther thuaghts are on chemtrails.hell you know how clear the sky is when your no where near the city lights,im sure they would have seen plenty things in the sky,boing 747's,satalites,ballons,et's.

nessa felagund
02-06-2008, 02:08 PM
This is happening more and more as logges and prospectors, having devastated more accessible regions, are moving deeper into the Amazon jungle.

Here's another incident: http://www.survival-international.org/news/2507

It’s generally assumed that the human exploration of the Earth is complete; that in this day and age we’ve traveled over every square inch of our planet’s land and there are no places that “civilized” man has never set foot. That’s a fallacy. Vast areas of this world have never been walked on by explorers and have only been mapped in recent years by satellite; in Africa, Siberia, North America, New Guinea and particularly the Amazon. Massive areas of this vast forest have remained hidden from the rest of the world. The photo was taken from a plane that flew over a very remote area and found people living there! The photo shows a traditional Indian village, of the type all Amazonians used to live in before they were “civilized” by Western Conquistadors. The astonished residents are staring up at the aircraft. What is going through their heads is unimaginable! Imagine you’d lived your whole life in a tribal culture in the woods and knew nothing of the world beyond it. What would you think if you saw an aeroplane for the first time? What would you think if you saw people of a different race for the first time? Would you even identify them as human beings like yourself?

The region where these Indians live is being opened up to the outside world. For the people who live there, I dread to think what will happen. They’re going to experience something very similar to what the whole world experiences in the novel War of the Worlds by HG Wells. To them we are an empire from another galaxy descending on their defenseless little world. Logging companies will eventually try to take over and wipe out the very jungle that has been the core of their environment. The people will be exposed to our technology and it will seem like magic to them. They’ll be shown a world of proportions and diversity beyond their capacity to understand. History has shown that they’ll probably succum to Western vices of alcohol, drugs, money and modern hi-tech warfare. They’ll pick up diseases that their immune systems have never had to face before. They MUST be protected.

For the time being, they should be left well alone. Maybe in the future, when we have a kinder and more peaceful and respectful world, we can go out and make contact with them. Then we can exchange ideas on a one-to-one basis. Interaction between our culture and theirs is not necessarily a bad thing, so long as it is carefully controlled and the needs of the recipients made a top priority. Let this interaction with modern culture be on a one-to-one basis instead of an exercise in aggressive conformism!

hey, hagbard--good to see you :)

this reminds me of your novel Rockall (link in my signature) and the Erkdwala tribe you created in your narrative. Amazing how you wrote about this very thing several years ago--:)

this tribe needs to be left alone to live their lives the way they see fit--exposing them to modern society could have a detrimental effect on their physical and psychological health and well-being.

hagbard_celine
03-06-2008, 07:26 PM
somehow i cant believe its the first time they have seen an aircraft considering the amount of them in the skys these days........oh and i wonder what ther thuaghts are on chemtrails.hell you know how clear the sky is when your no where near the city lights,im sure they would have seen plenty things in the sky,boing 747's,satalites,ballons,et's.

It's perfectly possible that they've never seen an aircraft flying this low before and there's no reason why they should link white lines in the sky to a roaring rattling helicopter hovering just over their treestops.

There are probably several tribes in the deep jungle that know nothing of the outside world. Contact with the rest of the world for them will be like the invasion of aliens in Independence Day was like for the people of Earth!

hagbard_celine
03-06-2008, 07:31 PM
hey, hagbard--good to see you :)

this reminds me of your novel Rockall (link in my signature) and the Erkdwala tribe you created in your narrative. Amazing how you wrote about this very thing several years ago--:)

this tribe needs to be left alone to live their lives the way they see fit--exposing them to modern society could have a detrimental effect on their physical and psychological health and well-being.


Nessa, that's an understement!:eek: History has shown that contact with us for them would be apocalypic. They'd suffer such phychological shock from the discovery of a whole world beyond their patch of forest, so differetn to what they've experienced so far, that they'd fall apart metally. They'd end up as alcholics and drug-addicted zombies. This is what has happened up to now almost invariably to hidden indigenous cultures all over the world.

Contact between our cultures is inevitable, but as Zach says, it doesn't necessariuly have to be a bad thing. If it's handled wisely and with sensitivity and knowledge and an awareness of the people's needs then it might be a positive experience for both our cultures.:)

amerigirl
05-07-2008, 06:36 AM
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,23911019-948,00.html

phildee3
05-07-2008, 09:49 AM
somehow i cant believe its the first time they have seen an aircraft considering the amount of them in the skys these days.



There's nothing about their actions which suggests that this is the first time.

I've seen lots of politicians and bankers in my time but my reaction to them approaching my home this close would be the same as theirs was to the chopper.

marpat
05-07-2008, 10:09 PM
Boo, I thought this was going to be about a hollow earth subject or similar.