Oil is NOT a Fossil Fuel?

[hagbard_celine]

Many of you will be already familiar with Ian Crane. This talk by him last year covers many subjects, but the most topical bit is the first 20 minutes because he explains that oil might not be a fossil fuel and that it might be a renewable resource:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5029286566927636816&q=not+so+hidden+agenda&ei=ow43SKSoL4-ciALSloDsAw

This echoes something I read in the brilliant book Blueprint for a Better World by Brian Desborough. The book records the case of a scientist who made crude oil out of compost in black bin-liners in just a few weeks! So much for the idea that oil takes millions of years to form! This throws the whole Peak Oil issue arse over tit. As Ian says: maybe Peak Oil is a myth being deliberately engineered to maintain controlo of the industry. He is a man who used to work in ther oil industry and he says that US special forces lit the oil fires in Kuweit after the 1991 Gulf War, not Saddam. He also says that OPEC are paying the Middle Eastern countries to keep the oil in the ground!

[lightgiver]

you could be right about the oil wells hagbard;):)

[krakhead]

This throws the whole Peak Oil issue arse over tit. As Ian says: maybe Peak Oil is a myth being deliberately engineered to maintain controlo of the industry. He is a man who used to work in ther oil industry and he says that US special forces lit the oil fires in Kuweit after the 1991 Gulf War, not Saddam. He also says that OPEC are paying the Middle Eastern countries to keep the oil in the ground!

Greg Palast wrote a lot about this in Armed Madhouse: Undercover Dispatches from a Dying Regime (see here) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Armed-Madhouse-Undercover-Dispatches-Regime/dp/0141018275/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211575984&sr=8-1)

Worth a read IMHO, he discusses the myth of peak oil and OPEC control over oil production etc.

[hagbard_celine]

Greg Palast wrote a lot about this in Armed Madhouse: Undercover Dispatches from a Dying Regime (see here) (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Armed-Madhouse-Undercover-Dispatches-Regime/dp/0141018275/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211575984&sr=8-1)

Worth a read IMHO, he discusses the myth of peak oil and OPEC control over oil production etc.

Thanks for the link, mate. I've heard of Palast and he sounds interesting. It makes sense that the Govt would want us to percieve oil as scarce even if it is not. It will make us more afraid and more willing to get into their pockets. It will also make the stock market fork out higher prices for it.

[icke_is_right]

Can't get the link to work, I'll try again later.

In any case I don't believe that oil is made in the way that we've been told. The presence of bio markers (that indicate organic origin) in oil do not mean that they got there from the original constituents that made oil. In any case how much rotting matter would there have had to have been to produce the billions of barrels already extracted? It doesn't add up in my mind. I understand the basics of geology, having studied it as school, so folding of rock etc. still doesn't answer the questions.

Here's a link to some interesting thoughts but only part of the puzzle.....

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Geopolitics___Eurasia/Peak_Oil___Russia/peak_oil___russia.html

[hagbard_celine]

Can't get the link to work, I'll try again later.

In any case I don't believe that oil is made in the way that we've been told. The presence of bio markers (that indicate organic origin) in oil do not mean that they got there from the original constituents that made oil. In any case how much rotting matter would there have had to have been to produce the billions of barrels already extracted? It doesn't add up in my mind. I understand the basics of geology, having studied it as school, so folding of rock etc. still doesn't answer the questions.

Here's a link to some interesting thoughts but only part of the puzzle.....

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Geopolitics___Eurasia/Peak_Oil___Russia/peak_oil___russia.html

Thanks for the link.:)

[juddfinn]

Many of you will be already familiar with Ian Crane. This talk by him last year covers many subjects, but the most topical bit is the first 20 minutes because he explains that oil might not be a fossil fuel and that it might be a renewable resource

This is a great post. I would advise people to listen (online) to the Alex Jones Radio Show, he covers the Peak Oil Scam often. And I heard it there that the Russians (who have a lot of oil, as we know) have never considered Oil to be a Fossil Fuel!!!

This echoes something I read in the brilliant book Blueprint for a Better World by Brian Desborough. The book records the case of a scientist who made crude oil out of compost in black bin-liners in just a few weeks! So much for the idea that oil takes millions of years to form! This throws the whole Peak Oil issue arse over tit. As Ian says: maybe Peak Oil is a myth being deliberately engineered to maintain controlo of the industry. He is a man who used to work in ther oil industry and he says that US special forces lit the oil fires in Kuweit after the 1991 Gulf War, not Saddam. He also says that OPEC are paying the Middle Eastern countries to keep the oil in the ground!

Brilliant points. .. and True.

There are old defunct "dry" Oil Wells that have filled up again, and a tech that the Russians (and others) use to just drill deeper when it goes dry and they find more...

BUT... Oil is one thing.

Free (Zero Point) Energy is another.

Time for a Change!

[hagbard_celine]

Brilliant points. .. and True.

There are old defunct "dry" Oil Wells that have filled up again, and a tech that the Russians (and others) use to just drill deeper when it goes dry and they find more...

BUT... Oil is one thing.

Free (Zero Point) Energy is another.

Time for a Change!

Well, quite so. The presence of Zero Point Energy and its supression by the Elite makes the subject of this thread academic.:eek::D We don't need oil, full stop; whether it is a fossil fuel or not it is obsolete!

But it is significant if oil is not a fossil fuel indicates the level of misunderstanding and/or supression we're under.

[notachainsmokingmidget]

The Russians are about to drill an oil well at 50,000 feet deep using new drilling and pumping technology.

What dinosaurs lived down there????

[whitelightrabbit]

The Russians are about to drill an oil well at 50,000 feet deep using new drilling and pumping technology.

What dinosaurs lived down there????

i don't know but i feel like the earth probably needs that oil where it is!

[montag]

Here are some more good artcles for those interested..

http://www.vialls.com/wecontrolamerica/peakoil.html

http://www.rense.com/general58/biot.htm

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/noframes/read/42108

Or google abiotic oil and Thomas Gold..

[hagbard_celine]

Here are some more good artcles for those interested..

http://www.vialls.com/wecontrolamerica/peakoil.html

http://www.rense.com/general58/biot.htm

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/noframes/read/42108

Or google abiotic oil and Thomas Gold..

Thanks for the info.:)

[hagbard_celine]

The Russians are about to drill an oil well at 50,000 feet deep using new drilling and pumping technology.

What dinosaurs lived down there????

Yes, does this means that the scienstis will admit that life on Earth is 100 times older than they thought... and that the Earth is 1000 times older?:D;)

They can't have it both ways!:p

[hagbard_celine]

i don't know but i feel like the earth probably needs that oil where it is!

In the Spiritworld movie oil is described as "the blood of the Earth". What happens if you remove the blood from someone's body?:eek::(

[ninorc]

To the list of articles about abiotic oil, allow me to add this one that I found illuminating when first posted a couple of years ago:
http://abundance.org.uk/oil-from-the-abyss

[hagbard_celine]

To the list of articles about abiotic oil, allow me to add this one that I found illuminating when first posted a couple of years ago:
http://abundance.org.uk/oil-from-the-abyss

Cheers!:) Imagine what would happen to the oil prices if this were proved true! If it were proved true they'd do everything they could to supress it.

[montag]

In the Spiritworld movie oil is described as "the blood of the Earth". What happens if you remove the blood from someone's body?:eek::(
It replenishes..;)

Considering the size of the planet, our oil wells are mere ticks on a elephant..

[ninorc]

Cheers!:) Imagine what would happen to the oil prices if this were proved true!Since the oil price is manipulated through the opaque and unaccountable markets where it's traded and is not primarily determined by supply and demand, but by speculators via a fully computerised bidding system, I couldn't possibly say. You'd have to ask an insider. The price has fallen back a bit over the past couple of weeks, but it remains to be seen if the bubble is going to burst...

[hagbard_celine]

Since the oil price is manipulated through the opaque and unaccountable markets where it's traded and is not primarily determined by supply and demand, but by speculators via a fully computerised bidding system, I couldn't possibly say. You'd have to ask an insider. The price has fallen back a bit over the past couple of weeks, but it remains to be seen if the bubble is going to burst...

Perhaps, but it would be difficult to maipulate the prices we pay for oil, even when it is at its cheapest, when you openly explain how oil is not a fossil fuel, but a replenihsable resource.

[ninorc]

Perhaps, but it would be difficult to maipulate the prices we pay for oil, even when it is at its cheapest, when you openly explain how oil is not a fossil fuel, but a replenihsable resource.

It still has to be got out of the ground and refined. Plus, we don't know the rate at which oil is being made, by whatever process. (My guess is s-l-o-w-l-y :D)

Even if oil isn't a fossil fuel and supposing that CO2 emissions are not an important cause of global warming, does that mean that it's OK to go on burning oil as our primary energy source?

[hagbard_celine]

It still has to be got out of the ground and refined. Plus, we don't know the rate at which oil is being made, by whatever process. (My guess is s-l-o-w-l-y :D)

Even if oil isn't a fossil fuel and supposing that CO2 emissions are not an important cause of global warming, does that mean that it's OK to go on burning oil as our primary energy source?

Free energy maschines that cost nothing would be better; you also wouldn't have to keep stopping your car to put the fuel in.

When Ian Crane mentions the Russian oil wells in his address he says that the people went away from a depeleted well and came back later to find that it's pressure had returned, but he doesn't give any figures. More research needs to be done in that department.