Satan means 'adversary' in Hebrew Language

[chrisstarrmovie]

A website I found claims that Satanism has been suppressed by Christianity, and like Paganism has been deemed Evil, and immoral. Satanism, according to the author of the website (and his years of research), is directed at the true Creator God. They don't believe in harming one another, or bloody rituals...

Asking the question Could this be true?

Well, anything is possible. History shows, over and over, that history in the 'books' is no longer valid. It doesn't seem to be an 'accident' that so much is wrong about our past.

David Icke, has spent many years on his research, but still deems Satanism as what George Bush secretly does behind closed doors. He claims that satanism is the base of child abuse, and all of the 'evils' of the world. But, GW openly admits to being a Christian, and Icke isn't exactly the devout Christian either....

Is Icke missing something?

Is satanism Evil, or the base of ancient religion that got suppressed, and we were programmed to fear it?

If so, how wouldn't Icke catch onto this?

If he had, it couldn't be fear of what people think, he talks about Shape-Shifting Reptilian presidents!!!!

Who else has some knowledge of the true roots of Satan?

Oh, yeah. Here is the site:

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Name_of_Satan.html

See if this resonates with you. It def. makes you think.

[thirdwave]

after researching my self I agree with you...

it seems many people (and yes including icke) like to generalise evil occultisms as Satanists.... when I really don't think its that simple, to be honest its very common. that being said in Ickes case I think he has always encouraged people not to really get involved in it unless you are with people who really know what they are doing, and he is right. So I think he has always come from a cautious angle.... though I agree with you, for all his great info and views, maybe this is one subject he has not delved into as much.

Satan was created as an evil image by Christianity and nothing more... it was not there ..or the enemy was not Satan before Christianity came along, and pretty much called anything that did not sing from their hymn sheet the temptation of Satan

its the same with Lucifer ... all these gods and so on are just analogies and are not necessarily evil... they just represent things that the church is very against like sex and so on....

the evil people doing all this NWO shit might be Satanists... or might not be.... they are simply misguided and evil beings.... and what ever group or practise they got involved in they would give it a bad name...

the whole thing does create so many people where as soon as they see occult symbols or anything to do with the magick arts, they cry witch!

I don't think good or evil has a group or a colour or a family its simply a malfunction in ones personality and they are involved on all religions and groups... and the ones pushing the NWO have a good habit of getting there hands on the popular and powerful groups and making it their own and giving it the image they want...

Actually Pan was great... he loved to run around the forest naked full of self love and confidence and he wanted to have sex and spread his love with everything in the forest.

[element]

Satan:

body identifying person, denial of spirit/soul and oneness/god, ego, jealousy, personality (all illusions), lust, killing, harming, greed.

A little child that is pure and divine its first few years, after that it learns to identify with the body, it develops a personality and distantiates itself from its Self. ''Fall out of paradise'' , that's the seperation.

My takes on Satan. It's a state of being.

[kblood]

I am looking into an interesting theory these days, although its source is unknown. It seems quite impossible to find anything real about it and any facts about it, although the theory has been sketched out sometimes a bit. I have put actuall people in it though, that are known from movies and such to most of us these days.


The theory is basicly that all the dimensions of existance, eternal life, heaven and hell, all exists here in our plane of existance, with the other planes being parallel planes of existence.

So angels, demons, hybrids, nephilim or whatever all lives amongst us. It takes about a lifetime or at least quite a bit of a lifetime, of purity to reach the higher states of being, which is angels, and the other way around it will be demon instead of angel like or other kinds of beings we do not know of much yet.

So lets take a person like Micheal Jackson. He spreads love and joy to some with his music, but it seems to me that he got more and more decieving. The most obvious deception of his was his "doesnt matter if your are black or white" song. After he made this song, he got a "skin disease". Probably from trying to get white skin.

Then there were the child abuse cases against him, and I think there was once rumours about Micheal Jackson having been raped while living with his family when he was a young boy.

It all adds up to a person who is very elegant at decieving people around him, and indeed cause conflict across the world in a way so subtle, that it goes by unnoticed. How many have argued wether MJ was a good or a bad person? Wether he was right or wrong, or wether his music was good and meant something?

There are many other interesting persons, like Gordon Freeman and Wesley Snipes. When looking into their past, there are important bits about it missing, and clues about them as well, that makes you think they are more than the media says they are.

The eternal life for all part of this theory is also interesting. It is basicly that anyone gets killed, and after this they are moved to some other country or place to become revieved, and its not allways that it is succesfull.

[marpat]

Read the book of Job and you find Satan hanging ten with the sons of god. He even asks permission to mess with Job, it's all there. Satan tests souls for weakness so that they may inherit their birthright, so really his tests and barriers tend towards good in the end.

[marpat]

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Says the PRICK with the Crowley Avatar :rolleyes:

Wow thats quite an assault. You don't agree with my post?

Opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one, even arseholes like you, but you are free to disagree with me old friend.

Perhaps you can give us a sampling of your wisdom to disprove what is written there.

[eternal_spirit]

Wow thats quite an assault. You don't agree with my post?

Opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one, even arseholes like you, but you are free to disagree with me old friend.

Perhaps you can give us a sampling of your wisdom to disprove what is written there.
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No it was a statement about your pro Crowley stance using the fool as an avatar. A fool to represent a fool how apt.

Same old shit different assholes. ( I seen many spouting shite from them you're just the latest )

[marpat]

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No it was a statement about your pro Crowley stance using the fool as an avatar. A fool to represent a fool how apt.

Same old shit different assholes. ( I seen many spouting shite from them you're just the latest )

Your loneliness is obviously a heavy burden to bear and has turned you into a bitter person.

Have I made a pro Crowley stance? you must explain that one as I don't think I have done that. Please explain this to me and be quick about it before you hijack this thread with hate posts.

[kblood]

Read the book of Job and you find Satan hanging ten with the sons of god. He even asks permission to mess with Job, it's all there. Satan tests souls for weakness so that they may inherit their birthright, so really his tests and barriers tend towards good in the end.

I agree. Satan or beings similar to him, are simply beings who have taken it upon themselves to bring out the best in us humans by forcing us to accept each other and help each other, by showing us how wrong it might go if we do not.

I have been trying to accept that it is like this for a while. To accept me and others having to go through trials of all kinds. Love, friendship, loss, death and all the other stuff that fills our lives with emotions we might not be familiar with, or might be too familiar with.

After accepting that I am then also trying to find out the most encouraging words to people who things life is sad, boring or maybe even pointless. Many people thinks life is unfair, and I can only say, yes sometimes it feels that way, but it can always become better. There are always new joys and love to find. New challenges if thats whats needed, new secrets to help uncover.

I always got a few quests ready for people who needs or wants enlightenment ;) The world has so many adventures waiting for us, its actually rather difficult to leave them be. If I had unlimited wealth, I might be an adventure all the time, searching the world for all these secrets. Special people capable of great healing without the use of modern medicine, people with money and power enough to wield technology beyond our greatest dreams.. or at least as good as the best movies :)

If only I could focus my mind a bit, my posts wouldnt become this long. Sorry :o

[marpat]

I agree. Satan or beings similar to him, are simply beings who have taken it upon themselves to bring out the best in us humans by forcing us to accept each other and help each other, by showing us how wrong it might go if we do not.

I have been trying to accept that it is like this for a while. To accept me and others having to go through trials of all kinds. Love, friendship, loss, death and all the other stuff that fills our lives with emotions we might not be familiar with, or might be too familiar with.

After accepting that I am then also trying to find out the most encouraging words to people who things life is sad, boring or maybe even pointless. Many people thinks life is unfair, and I can only say, yes sometimes it feels that way, but it can always become better. There are always new joys and love to find. New challenges if thats whats needed, new secrets to help uncover.

I always got a few quests ready for people who needs or wants enlightenment ;) The world has so many adventures waiting for us, its actually rather difficult to leave them be. If I had unlimited wealth, I might be an adventure all the time, searching the world for all these secrets. Special people capable of great healing without the use of modern medicine, people with money and power enough to wield technology beyond our greatest dreams.. or at least as good as the best movies :)

If only I could focus my mind a bit, my posts wouldnt become this long. Sorry :o

Your posts don't seem long at all. You seem to be one of the few who I have found agreement with regarding the role of Satan. We need the adversary to challenge us otherwise life would be one easy ride and we would learn nothing or sacrifice, patience, fortitude, etc. We would never be grateful for the good things in life. The harder something is to acheve the greater is sense of value.

[thirdwave]

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Says the PRICK with the Crowley Avatar :rolleyes:

Ignorance it is.


(and he wonders why he get points)

[marpat]

Ignorance it is.


(and he wonders why he get points)

You a bit of a Crowley reader then thirdwave? just looked at your profile, obviously you are!! got loads of his stuff myself.

You have gone up a notch in my book, that's notch one (just joking)

[thirdwave]

You a bit of a Crowley reader then thirdwave? just looked at your profile, obviously you are!! got loads of his stuff myself.

You have gone up a notch in my book, that's notch one (just joking)

yeah I like his books, to be honest I think he is one of the most underrated poets of all time.

I am researching tarot and magick and stuff at the mo.. so he is certainly interesting.