Very strong Mercury alignment coming…

[chris]

Just thought I’d let you know that we will soon be under an extremely powerful Mercury alignment. Mercury is usually difficult to elect because it moves so quickly and is always being combust by the sun.

Anyway for you people in the UK, here it is…

14th May 2008
2:25pm GMT

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/6845/mercurygj7.png

As you can see, Mercury is midheaven, it falls on a Wednesday which is ruled my Mercury, the moon is in the first house and the ascent is ruled by Mercury.

This will be pretty sweet.

If you want to best utilise this, then you should perhaps try to invoke or pray to Thoth, Odin, Mercury or Hermes, towards the east (the element of air). Or invoke simply the element.

Mercury is the intellect and communication, so if you don’t want to direct invoke this energy then you could make a talisman that will aid you with your intelligence, draw a picture of Mercury, Hermes or Odin…I don’t know, be creative. You could perhaps do something intellectual like play a game of sudoku or solve some mathematical problems or do some riddles…This would also be a good way to stimulate yourself to get you in the right frame of mind for the invocation. Also if you want to do a speech or say something important to someone on this day, make it this time, it would probably help you get your message across very well. A simple meditation will probably do you much good as well...

Anyway, just thought I’d let you know…

There are some American ones coming up soon too if anyone’s interested.

[siscid]

WOW SYNCRO! That's my birthday! :D

SYNCRO #2: I also turn the magical 21 on that day.. :D

[dedicate]

So where is the Mercury alignment? Mercury in rulership and with some aspect to another stong Mercury sign is an alignment is it? And the aspect to the Asc. is hard, so that means ??? not benificial, but difficult? I don't see an alignment here. Mercury is square to the Asc. twice every day, and Mercury in her sign square or trine to another strong "air" or "mind" symbol happens lots, lots, lots.

Where are the outer planets in the horoscope?

So what was that about chanting to Thoth and making symbols, talisman and "invoking".. Your pulling our collective legs, aren't you?

[dedicate]

Oh. I see what you are talking about. Mercury is Peregre? to the Sun and square the Asc. in Air signs. That's not an alignment. Interesting aspect, but fleeting, lasts about 15 minutes.

And what do you mean by elect?

All that about talisman is BS isn't it? You don't know what you are talking about.

[siscid]

Ah really? No alignment? Never mind then, I will just have to have cake instead. :D

[chris]

So where is the Mercury alignment? Mercury in rulership and with some aspect to another stong Mercury sign is an alignment is it? And the aspect to the Asc. is hard, so that means ??? not benificial, but difficult? I don't see an alignment here. Mercury is square to the Asc. twice every day, and Mercury in her sign square or trine to another strong "air" or "mind" symbol happens lots, lots, lots.

Well first you’ve got to give me your sources…I’m using traditional astrology not newage astrology. The alignment is absolutely fine and in tradition with William Lilly and Agrippa and all the vast majority of astrologers which dates back thousands of years until newagers came into it.

Where are the outer planets in the horoscope?

Again, this is traditional astrology. The outer planets have only been discovered in the last century or so. The newage astrologers didn’t divine their meanings or throughout the years tracked and studied them. Very soon after their discovery, they made attributions and that’s how they were kept. Not only that but they took attributions from the traditional planets because it would nice everything nice and balanced that way. You can only see the classical 7 planets with the naked eye, the others you need a telescope, traditional astrologers thought that it was the light from the planets which gave the energy.

I’m not saying that these planets offer no energy. The main point is that the attributions have been adding carelessly at least. Just think if a new asteroid was found the newagers will be rushing to make their mark on it by assigning it an attribution. I feel much safer with traditional astrology as it was used far more than just natal charts, it was primarily concerned with electing dates and making predictions.

So what was that about chanting to Thoth and making symbols, talisman and "invoking".. Your pulling our collective legs, aren't you?

LOL. Dude… just study Agrippa, Bruno or any other renaissance magician. This is so stupid, do you think that astrology’s primary purpose is to tell people how wonderful they are according to their star sign? The traditional concern was electing auspicious times where the energy flowed freely and then being able to use that energy in a specific way.


Oh. I see what you are talking about. Mercury is Peregre? to the Sun and square the Asc. in Air signs. That's not an alignment. Interesting aspect, but fleeting, lasts about 15 minutes.

Look…The MC is a very important part to elect times. Rising might be more preferable since you will both get the planetary day and hour. Do you know what Planetary hours are?

Yet if I was to elect a time when mercury was rising, you may say to me “But Mercury is square the MC, that is not an alignment.”

Don’t you see a flaw in your logic?

And what do you mean by elect?

…Dude, I'm not going to hold your hand for you.

All that about talisman is BS isn't it? You don't know what you are talking about.

LOL…dude…How can you make such rubbishing post all the while asking me questions about it? Ignorance sure is bliss...

I knew I’d get a cocky newager on here because of the planet we are considering…I’m sure it would be left alone if I was to elect Saturn or Jupiter. Newage astrology has completely ripped all negative energies from the harsh planets and have seemed to gang up on Mercury. This is because Newage astrology is primarily focussed on making people feel better about themselves and they would prefer Mercury to be the bearer of bad news than say Saturn or Mars.

It would probably be much better if we had newage elections and traditional elections because then we don't need to step on each others feet and we can stay away from each others. I am very balanced on the Traditional Vs Newage astrology thread...I even gave a positive look at newage in the hope that people would be able to discern between them.

What is your reading material? If you don't give your sources then I'm at liberty to say that you've just taking a bit here and a bit there and coming up with your own version, which is very likely what your authors have done.

Almost all newage astrology differs from author to author, yet Traditional astrology hasn't changed for thousands of years. I will at least do the justice to the people on this forum by giving my meek elections a bit of weight behind them because it's not me who's really electing them, I am just following the directions of the great astrologers of the past.

Don’t worry Siscid, the election is on.

[dedicate]

I didn't realize that there was something called "new age astrology". What is that? I know that it is fad around here to target "new age", so I think you are just jumping to conclusions and making false accusations on me. I'm just working from astrology. Lilly, yes.

Me asking you to clarify a couple of terms does not mean I want you to "hold my hand". These are very technical words and do deserve some clarification if asked about. I was curious why the outer planets were excluded, that's all. And "elect" was sort of used in an unspecific manner.

I don't see any alignment here. I see a Mercury conjuction and square. And that not "extremely powerful" as you say. Never was, never will be. Just a common occurances of not much import.-- new age and any age.

So let me ask you this: This powerful alignment that will occur this May 14. Is this something you have interpreted? I mean, from the information you have., you have divined that there is a powerful alignment? It is something that you see in the horoscope? Because, I don't see it. Not from the information here.

I know what planetary hours are, Horary Astology, rectifation, progression, decans, talismen and gem stones etc.. but stick to basics. If the basics are off, then the rest will be of no use to you. There is no alignment here; no powerful aspect to Mercury, Asc, and MC. Mercury is not retrograde, not combust and is elivated in a good sign and house. That is all. This is good, not detrimental. but "powerful alignment".. don't see it.

[chris]

Traditional astrology is very solid, not much is changed...All other astrology is known either by Newage or Modern astrology and this was paved in by psychologists as a way to help their patients. This is why the terms are so much weaker now than they were before...Saturn is now the teacher and Mars is a slap on the wrist.

Lilly, yes.

Where has Lilly quoted the outer planets? You still haven’t listed where you reading from. I accept that newage astrology is different and some prefer one and others another…Yet you haven’t cited where your reading which puts me in the position of not knowing what you mean is a strong alignment or not…

I don't see any alignment here. I see a Mercury conjuction and square. And that not "extremely powerful" as you say. Never was, never will be. Just a common occurances of not much import.-- new age and any age.

Okay…Find a better election for Mercury this year…That way we can measure it’s strength by how often it occurs.

Perhaps me saying “extremely powerful” would have been in some eye’s a strong word but this is not an astrology board, this is a conspiracy forum where not many people discuss this topic. So I wanted people to read this topic and perhaps they might get interested in this type of philosophy.

I have stated its benefits…Some more is that the moon in the first house is in trine with the sun which the moon is traditionally very important to and election. Saturn is not inhibiting any of the planets and so the election will work. Do I need to mention it’s a Wednesday (ruled by Mercury)?

I don’t get what your saying that Mc is square the Asc…This is obvious…Yet it’s not considered a detriment. It is beneficial for a planet to conjunct the Mc. How can you conjunct the Mc without squaring the Asc?

I am not saying “This is the alignments of alignments” to make out this is a once in a lifetime thing but if you can find a better one this year, I’ll be very interested.

[dedicate]

You do see that what you are talking about is not an alignment. A term you misused. No big deal, I guess.

"Where has Lilly quoted the outer planets?" -- You do know that Lilly was practicing Astrology long before the outer planets were known? He couldn't be quoting about something that was unknown at the time.

You also ask, How could a MC be anything but square to the Asc? Think about it, just a minute. The MC is midheaven or the point above your head (relatively). The zodiac may have 8 or 9 signs over the horizon, so MC could be 120 or 60 degrees from ASC depending on the Latitude and time of year.

I learned Astrology from the works of Max Heindel. Also the works of Martin Eberton. There are others.. But those two respected writers come to mind.

I do think that it is good that you are using Astrology. And I think it is good that you are posting your findings here, too. (even if they need some detailing, in my opinion).. I just thought you were joking, at first,,-- pulling our legs. Because I don't see it.. and then you suggest chanting, and making talismen .. and that is so off the charts. Anyway.

I would suggest that you look into using the outer planets from time to time, too. Especially their influence in Horary Charts, Natal Charts, and Progressed charts. But if it works for you on the Election Charts, then I don't see a problem with it.

I hope you don't mind if I offer my opinion some other time, if you choose to share your findings here.

[chris]

You do see that what you are talking about is not an alignment. A term you misused. No big deal, I guess.

There’s always an alignment...Even you asked me what an election is, do you think it would be better if I said “election coming” no one would have a clue what I was on about…

"Where has Lilly quoted the outer planets?" -- You do know that Lilly was practicing Astrology long before the outer planets were known? He couldn't be quoting about something that was unknown at the time.

This is exactly my point. So you say your working from Lilly who when your obviously not because your borrowing stuff from Modern astrology. Lilly is just one person from hundreds that all used the same system, pre-1,700 it’s hard to find differences in their teachings. Compare that to nowadays, they don’t even keep the original attributions the same.

You also ask, How could a MC be anything but square to the Asc? Think about it, just a minute. The MC is midheaven or the point above your head (relatively). The zodiac may have 8 or 9 signs over the horizon, so MC could be 120 or 60 degrees from ASC depending on the Latitude and time of year.

Yes my fault, I’m too used to looking at equal house charts but still…Tell me where it states it’s a detriment?

Are you going to find me a better election?

[chris]

I just thought you were joking, at first,,-- pulling our legs. Because I don't see it.. and then you suggest chanting, and making talismen .. and that is so off the charts. Anyway.

...Just look at the work of Cornelias Agrippa or Paracelsus. They sing himms, make talismen and start alchemical operations while the particular planet is uninhibited. In fact there are hundreds which talk about it, just look at the alchemists in that era but it wasn't just the alchemists, it's the astrological magicians of that time like Albertus Magnus, marsilio facino and Thabit Ibn Qurra who to the best of my knowledge didn't practice alchemy but used astrology to set times for rituals or making talismen.

I am sorry if it sounds silly to you and if it's not for you this is not the post. I just wanted to let people know that there's a very good election coming up and they have the option whether or not to see if they could use it in their favour.

[dedicate]

Well, I can see how, after noon that day, might be a good time to make an important phone call or sign a legal document. But that isn't what I got out of your initial post.

I may suggest that you get a better grip on the subject to bring the information to people. You said in your last post here: "there's a very good election coming up". An "election" is the actual horoscope cast. In this context the word is awkward. And we still don't see eye to eye on the term alignment,, and means when 'things are lined up' or 'in a straight line'. Not that one lines up certain factors to a conclusion.

I mention two authors and you say it is new age?! Why? are you even familiar with their work? Just because they recently walked the earth and wrote books? (That makes you new age too). --or because they use the outer planets? you dismiss them...

You seem to have a twig in your head about modern work in the field. Just because someone is living in the 20th Century or doesn't adhere to your traditions, does not mean anything at all about the value of their contributions to the subject. They may even confirm what Lilly has said.

Personally, I think Lilly would use the outer planets if he were around today.

[beldazar]

Hey siscid, its my birthday too, if only I was 21!!! :(:D

[chris]

Well, I can see how, after noon that day, might be a good time to make an important phone call or sign a legal document. But that isn't what I got out of your initial post.

It's very much good enough for Agrippa and Ramsey to make talismen and pretty much start any work corresponding with Mercury. So it's very much good enough for me.

You have yet to provide me with an election...

I may suggest that you get a better grip on the subject to bring the information to people. You said in your last post here: "there's a very good election coming up". An "election" is the actual horoscope cast. In this context the word is awkward. And we still don't see eye to eye on the term alignment,, and means when 'things are lined up' or 'in a straight line'. Not that one lines up certain factors to a conclusion.

I'm sorry, forgive me...Not many people are into astrology here so I was plugging my thread a little...I am not saying it was spot on but a person instantly knows that an alignment means energy but they wouldn't have a clue what an election meant. Can you please stop knitpicking? I want to give people the heads up for a traditionally sound time when the mercury energies will be flowing. Can you stop highjacking this thread...

I mention two authors and you say it is new age?! Why? are you even familiar with their work? Just because they recently walked the earth and wrote books? (That makes you new age too). --or because they use the outer planets? you dismiss them...

I'm not dismissing them nor am I using the term "Newage" as an insult or slander. I am stating that the two are very different and they are defined quite easily by traditional astrologers but newage ones tend not to define them, this is where we are slipping up. Anything else which manipulates the traditional style is called Newage, I'm sorry if this offends you.

Of course, traditional astrologers do innovate with use of computers and more powerful software. Some traditional astrologers use the outerplanets simply to track them but they don't usually define a meaning unless it comes to them through divination.

You seem to have a twig in your head about modern work in the field. Just because someone is living in the 20th Century or doesn't adhere to your traditions, does not mean anything at all about the value of their contributions to the subject. They may even confirm what Lilly has said.

Well most have changed a lot of what Lilly has said but I'm stating there are two seperate styles. Have you seen me highjacking other peoples threads in this forum? No, I actually made a Traditional Vs Modern astrology thread which is actually bias to modern. I did this to plant a seed that it's okay to use traditional and probably good for them in many respects.

Personally, I think Lilly would use the outer planets if he were around today.

Well there's no way to know, I could personally say he would be traditional but that wouldn't be no way to make an argument.

Let me put it this way...Many newage astrologers go to traditional astrology whereas very few go from traditional to newage...

If you would like to discuss the differences in a cordial manner, I'd be happy to in my other thread meant for it.

[kblood]

Who is this thoth?

[chris]

Who is this thoth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thothhttp://www.philipcoppens.com/thoth_01.jpg

[beldazar]

Hmmmm I was on the understanding that Thoth was another name for Lucifer....

Another reptilian shapeshifter I suppose??? :confused:

[chris]

Hmmmm I was on the understanding that Thoth was another name for Lucifer....

Another reptilian shapeshifter I suppose??? :confused:

I've never heard of Thoth being Lucifer. Where did you hear this?

In Children of the Matrix, Icke cites the tablets of Thoth as he was the one that called out the Shapeshifters by saying the secret word which makes them shift into their real form and exposed them for all to see.

[beldazar]

Sorry Chris, I really have no idea! I will try to have a think but Ive read so much stuff lately it all gets jumbled up :)

[beldazar]

p.s. I do have children of the matrix but I dont remember that bit. All I can think of is the word they cant pronounce, I forget what that word is now.....
Call me seive brain :D

[kblood]

p.s. I do have children of the matrix but I dont remember that bit. All I can think of is the word they cant pronounce, I forget what that word is now.....
Call me seive brain :D

Does that mention who or what thoth / hermes really is? He must have been a historain / ancient god if he had anything to do with the emerald tablets.

I think we have an expert on the forum. That mason guy.... I will have to PM him again I think.

He must have something to do with Alucard as well. Alucard is very likely something he would have to do with.

God of neutrality? God of Balance? Am I getting close?

Oh yes... I think his name is Mortimer today. An author that goes by an artist name.

So my question is really, what books and what artist name is he using these days?

[beldazar]

I must be really tired this morning, are you taking the mick? Whos Alucard? Dracula? Who's Mortimer?

To be honest when I saw the pic of Thoth, I thought, REPTILIAN.
Im on the understanding that there are two factions of reps, the illuminati and the pere-sires or luminari perhaps? (also known as vulturites)

I thought that perhaps these were the two brothers Enlil and Enki that vie for control of the world and had split up into two groups.

Im getting so confused about this so I think I need to rest, there is so much information coming through, my head cant take it :)

[chris]

I must be really tired this morning, are you taking the mick? Whos Alucard? Dracula? Who's Mortimer?

To be honest when I saw the pic of Thoth, I thought, REPTILIAN.
Im on the understanding that there are two factions of reps, the illuminati and the pere-sires or luminari perhaps? (also known as vulturites)

I thought that perhaps these were the two brothers Enlil and Enki that vie for control of the world and had split up into two groups.

Im getting so confused about this so I think I need to rest, there is so much information coming through, my head cant take it :)

How can you take shapeshifting reptilians as the truth? No wonder your feeling fucked in the head.

[beldazar]

says you worshipping some bloke called Thoth you have never met!!! Look at yourself first before you slag off others, YOUR truth is YOURS nobody elses and give me credit to do the same, there was no need for rudeness.

[chris]

says you worshipping some bloke called Thoth you have never met!!! Look at yourself first before you slag off others, YOUR truth is YOURS nobody elses and give me credit to do the same, there was no need for rudeness.

I'm sorry if it came out as rude, it was more of a jest...

I have never met him physically, yet I've seen him astrally but no I don't believe in him, I think of him as a symbol. One time I was closing in on an tropical Island where I saw a beautiful woman and we looked at each other face to face and she smiled and then her eye's went upwards into the top of her head, as she did this she started changing and I saw huge, bold, red, individual letters of A.N.N.U.N.I.K.I flash in front of me until she finished and there before me was a reptilian woman, then the scene faded out from view...But do I believe in shapeshifting reptilians? No. I put them in the pending draw to be brought forth by future investigations when I have more concrete proof. It is an absolute quagmire of disinfo when stepping into this area so there is nothing I believe...

Again I am sorry for being rude, I wasn't saying "You were fucked in the head" but your post signified that

Im getting so confused about this so I think I need to rest, there is so much information coming through, my head cant take it

So I was referring to this part of your post, not your whole life...And I was stating that Believing in reptilians will likely do this to you because you have to sort through vastly contradictory information and take huge leaps of faith to make them believable and once that they are real to you, you will most likely have dismissed a lot of solid info in the process which fraustrates you everytime you see it. Not saying this is you and I'm not saying you believe in the definition I am giving but I've seen it in myself when coming across this information and I've seen it in many others. It is the path to the dark side:D

[beldazar]

Thanks Chris I feel a little better now tho I did scream at the kids playing on my garden, dont think they will be back in a hurry, lol

I have had a funny day, it seems like everyone argues so much and that everyone is right, it started to get me down. But this morning as I lay in the sun I worked out that all our info comes from someone else who get it from someone else etc, etc, I thought to myself that the truth is there IS no truth.
Then as I was out walking later, I went under a graffiti ridden bridge and thought about spraying Davidicke.com, hehe, but then thought, no, 'infinite love is the only Truth. "of course" I thought. "thats IT", it isnt just a book title, everything else IS an illusion.

Then later on, I remembered part of the interview David did on radio, "infinite possibilities" was the term,
Perhaps this is where we are all leading to, to have our own mind, own imagination, not led by anyone elses as most if not all our info is second hand at least.
We could all become like Terry Pratchett, all have a completely new idea about everything and for us all to accept everyone elses?
I am kinda tired trying to work this all out but at the same time trying to not get any fixed views.

Its funny how each of us get led in different ways though, I would be wary of chanting to a god-like person as I wouldnt want to give them power and you would be wary of believing in reps for fear of entering the dark side. Doesnt this life work strangely?

Maybe a big task for us is to accept people of very contrasting views :eek:

p.s. sorry the beautiful woman turned out to be an old croc :D

[chris]

I just read my above post and if you haven't read it that way, the thoth vision and annuniki are obviously two different ones I had on seperate occasions.

My darkside statement is a bit silly...But believe me I have seen what the reptilian theory (or the catholic theory) does to people...They get so overwhelmed by disinfo that they do become crazy. Or at least they become crazy to everyone else even me and I know what they're going on about:D

I came into spirituality way before conspiracies and I just got completely overwhelmed by contradictiory information and this really stressed me out. Finding truth felt like being pulled apart in a tug of war over belief.

Thoth or Hermes or Mercury are just symbols of speed, communication, intellect or Wisdom. A symbol can only represent the higher, never the lower, you can use a communication device to symbolise communication but you can't use communication to symbolise a communication device. These gods are symbols for areas of the psyche or universe and they have been built up over thousands of years. Of course dogma might cause degenerations of these figures but on the upper levels they are pure energy, this is what people aim to tap into.

[beldazar]

oh if only I could meet someone face to face that mentions the reptilian theme........;)

I too got into spirituality way before conspiracy theories and I also found out about reps when I thought David was still playing football!

Thanks for the information by the way.

I have thought more about what I said in the last post, its making more and more sense now, looking at armies all over the world and our school and services uniform, shirt and tie workforce, fashion etc....They want to turn us all the same, same dress same opinions, same thought, its all linked, They want to turn us machine-like so we will be easier to control, as said before, herd mentality, the hive mind, this is where we are headed, to develop our own interpretations and to allow others to do the same.

Yes I did understand that Thoth and the annunaki were two different occasions but as I may still associate the two together you may have thought I had grouped them as one.

Anyway Chris, all of this, no matter how difficult or confusing it may become is far, far better than talking about the price of bacon :D

[chris]

oh if only I could meet someone face to face that mentions the reptilian theme........;)

I thought it was cool at first but eventually it just became fraustrating because he would blow out all his good stuff along with it everytime. It was interesting hearing other people talk about him because it helped a lot with my approach. You just can't evangilise to people...If you try to give a bike a way for free, no one will take it but if you sell it for £10, people will fall over themselves.

[beldazar]

actually thats very true :)
I know of one man who knows whats going on but has got all paranoid. he wont have a phone or telly, lives out in the middle of nowhere and his friend has to meet him somewhere different each time, such a shame! You need to dig deeper to get through that fear and sometimes people come to a dead end.

Fortunately this site is here so Im able to talk openly but where I am there IS noone else!
I met a man who's wife I used to clean for coming home today, he's interested in 2012, and knows about chemtrails too, he believes the chemtrails are the work of 'dark forces' but rejects the reptilian idea. He has never read any of Davids books but is into 'new age' though I do have difficulty separating new age from spirituality, I havent looked into it too much.

I dont have a problem with the reptilian idea as to me demons look rather reptilian plus the fact we only have our very limited five senses and not many of us can see into the 4th dimension. Satan was supposedly 'cast down from heaven to walk amongst men' too.

Dinosaurs lived on this planet for millions of years, maybe an upright dinosaur evolved into reptilians, as is said we evolved from tree squirrels but then Im not sure about the evolution theory any more, maybe thats where neanderthal man came from and THEN we were genetically engineered to create cro-magnon man or did homo erectus come first?

My problem is I read bits of everything and dont concentrate on any one theme but maybe its the best thing to do?? :confused:

Im off to bed now, my head needs to rest, goodnight :)