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eternal_spirit
29-04-2008, 01:17 AM
Okay, this thread is for the one's who are still in denial that this stuff is real, or anyone who want's to know more.

Ricky Kasso was involved in Satanism and a group of like minded teens called the "Knights of the Black Circle." "In June 1984 in Northport, New York, Ricky Kasso and James Troiano were accused of killing 17-year-old Gary Lauwers by gouging his eyes out and stabbing him 17 times during a three-hour torture session. At the end of the ordeal, Kasso and Troiano forced Lauwers to say, "I love you Satan" ...Kasso had previously become obsessed with black magic and Satanism (after reading LaVey's Satanic Bible) and after the murder was openly boasting of his human sacrifice. Kasso confessed to the murder and later hanged himself. Troiano was acquitted of second-degree murder"

http://truelegends.info/amityville/amityville.JPG Kasso held a Satanic Ceremony at the Amityville house. It was for the the witches' feast of Walpurgisnacht. http://truelegends.info/amityville/kasso_hair.jpg
read more here
http://truelegends.info/amityville/kasso_name.htm

eternal_spirit
29-04-2008, 03:12 AM
Matamoros Satanic cult murders

ATTACHED PICTURES OF THE CULT MURDER SITE
(click on picture to open) 1 - LEADER (http://www.cloakanddagger.de/media/images/kolody/CULT%20LEADER1.jpg)
2 - HIGH PRIESTESS OF THE CULT (http://www.cloakanddagger.de/media/images/kolody/HIGH%20PRIESTESS1.JPG)
3 - MURDER VICTIMS (http://www.cloakanddagger.de/media/images/kolody/MURDER%20VICTIMS1.jpg)
4 - REPORTERS EXCAVATING BODIES (http://www.cloakanddagger.de/media/images/kolody/EXCAVATING%20BODIES1.jpg)


http://www.gallerize.com/Clones/Bush_Satanic_Murderer.htm

kblood
29-04-2008, 03:40 AM
http://www.gallerize.com/Clones/Bush_Satanic_Murderer.htm

The first ones seemed a bit trivial, but this one is a bomb of good information :D It might be dodgy, but take a look at the pages source code, and you will find links or at least sources from where this information comes from. All browsers has the feature to look at a webpage as pure sourcecode I think. It basicly makes alot of it into gibberish, and some of it into... kind of footnotes.

And by the way, anyone who can or care to try debunking this?

eternal_spirit
29-04-2008, 04:50 PM
Ricky Kasso was involved in Satanism and a group of like minded teens called the "Knights of the Black Circle." "In June 1984 in Northport, New York, Ricky Kasso and James Troiano were accused of killing 17-year-old Gary Lauwers by gouging his eyes out and stabbing him 17 times during a three-hour torture session. At the end of the ordeal, Kasso and Troiano forced Lauwers to say, "I love you Satan" ...Kasso had previously become obsessed with black magic and Satanism (after reading LaVey's Satanic Bible) and after the murder was openly boasting of his human sacrifice. Kasso confessed to the murder and later hanged himself. Troiano was acquitted of second-degree murder"

http://truelegends.info/amityville/amityville.JPG Kasso held a Satanic Ceremony at the Amityville house. It was for the the witches' feast of Walpurgisnacht. http://truelegends.info/amityville/kasso_hair.jpg
read more here
http://truelegends.info/amityville/kasso_name.htm[/quote]


Over the course of two weeks, as the body became a skeleton, at least fifteen and perhaps thirty teenagers and young adults were told of the murder, some in great detail. A few were taken to the site, a ten-minute
walk from the quaint main drag and harbor park of Northport, Long Island, to view the corpse, a dissolving trophy. No one breathed a word of the killing to police, to parents, to any authorities.

damagedbrainn
29-04-2008, 09:12 PM
The first ones seemed a bit trivial, but this one is a bomb of good information :D It might be dodgy, but take a look at the pages source code, and you will find links or at least sources from where this information comes from. All browsers has the feature to look at a webpage as pure sourcecode I think. It basicly makes alot of it into gibberish, and some of it into... kind of footnotes.

And by the way, anyone who can or care to try debunking this?

It's from an article in The Onion, which some people mistake for a real news source rather than a joke.

Bush 'Refuses To Dignify' Mass-Murder Allegations
'That's Not What This Election Is About,' He Says

March 8, 2000 | Issue 36•08

SUNNYVALE, CA–Telling reporters and critics to "stick to the issues that matter," Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush declined to answer questions Monday concerning his alleged involvement in a 1984 Brownsville, TX, mass murder, in which 17 people were ritualistically murdered and skinned.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/bush_refuses_to_dignify_mass

kblood
29-04-2008, 11:19 PM
Lol, that site is hillarious :)
http://www.theonion.com/content/atlas/

That was a good story though, I still wonder a bit though. Although it is an onion story then alot of it is actually based on facts and rumours it seems.

I would be very surprised if the actuall articles about the real allegations against Bush Sr. I guess it might have all been made up, but the truth probably isnt pink when it comes to the true tale of the life of George Bush.

kblood
29-04-2008, 11:23 PM
It's from an article in The Onion, which some people mistake for a real news source rather than a joke.


Well, some people disagree with that completely.

http://www.shout.net/~bigred/Skol0714.htm

(Conspiracy Nation, 7/14/04) -- Highly-regarded independent investigator Sherman H. Skolnick insists that his prior report, "Accused Mass Murderer Became President," in which George W. Bush is implicated in a 1984 mass murder, is solidly grounded. Skolnick is adamant that he was not misled by a satirical story from the online humor publication The Onion. He contends that the Onion piece, written by "Professor Cornbread" in 2002, is a twisting of actual, serious reports and allegations which pre-date the Onion story.

Lots of truths are hidden in satire.

eternal_spirit
29-04-2008, 11:28 PM
The plot thickens.

damagedbrainn
30-04-2008, 01:01 AM
Well, some people disagree with that completely.

http://www.shout.net/~bigred/Skol0714.htm



Lots of truths are hidden in satire.

"(Conspiracy Nation, 7/14/04) -- Highly-regarded independent investigator Sherman H. Skolnick insists that his prior report, "Accused Mass Murderer Became President," in which George W. Bush is implicated in a 1984 mass murder, is solidly grounded. Skolnick is adamant that he was not misled by a satirical story from the online humor publication The Onion. He contends that the Onion piece, written by "Professor Cornbread" in 2002, is a twisting of actual, serious reports and allegations which pre-date the Onion story."

And he's obviously wrong, if not flat-out lying to cover his gullibility. The article, as can clearly be seen, was written in 2000, not 2002. There are no "reports" of the "mass murder" prior to then, and he probably knew that which is why he "mistakingly" got the date of the article wrong.

Most likely the article (written during the 2000 campaign) was satirical of the large number of executions that Bush had overseen while Governor of Texas. It was an issue that came up frequently during the campaign, and one which Bush constantly dodged.

madthumbs
30-04-2008, 04:26 AM
Hope you realize that Christian murders far out way supposed Satanic murders.

kblood
30-04-2008, 05:05 AM
Hope you realize that Christian murders far out way supposed Satanic murders.

Hope you realise it is the same people that have caused most of both the Christian and Satanic murders ;)

<meta name="date" content="March 8, 2000" />

This is from the Onion article. It can of course be changed with a text editor. But are you saying you took notice of the Onion article in 2000, and no other similar article prior to that? I have to admit that it does seem alot of disinfo with a lie as obvious as that if true.

It seems a bit like a double feint to me though, but then I dont really care about this, I try to look at the bigger picture. This part of the puzzle is a bit intrigueing though :)

Actually I guess I took notice of it as well, but boy what a clever way to get people to look the other way if what the satire says is even the least bit true. Astonishing really. George Bush Senior was of course a criminal like most president, wether he did murder people before he became president isnt really that relevant to me.

It does seem that it suits their purpose that the comming president has tried getting the rush it gives to murder people or animals. That way they might like it instead of hesistate when they are to cause genocide. Yes, I guess I do speak from experience. I know their frame of mind much too well for my own liking.

eternal_spirit
30-04-2008, 09:24 AM
Ramirez had been convicted on 43 counts, including 13 murders, and the authorities have good reason to believe that he had committed several others. For over a year starting in the spring of 1985, the residents of Los Angeles County lived in fear of the anonymous "Night Stalker"


http://members.tripod.com/diagnosis_sk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/rrpentagram.jpghttp://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/serial_killers/notorious/ramirez/%28AP%292-2Ramirez-pentagram-on-hand-%28150%29.jpgRichard Ramirez displaying the pentagram on his hand


http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/serial_killers/notorious/ramirez/%28AP%297-2-Richard-Ramirez-headshot-%28200%29.jpg

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/ramirez/terror_1.html


YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

eternal_spirit
30-04-2008, 09:30 AM
Hope you realize that Christian murders far out way supposed Satanic murders.

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Communism, murderd millions ( Christians and others) add the rest of the deaths by other factions/countries involved with Communism in modern times.
EDIT ( off topic )


BTW Are you going to anwser this time I've asked you on several occasions are you a satanist?

eternal_spirit
30-04-2008, 04:49 PM
http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=12607

eternal_spirit
01-05-2008, 02:52 PM
http://usminc.org/crime.html


The Devil made me do it!" The Occult: It Isn't just for pale skinned portly bookish types, it's also for con artists, sociaopaths, psychos, perverts, and homicidal killers! [LAST UPDATE 12-12-07 about 331 incidents listed! ] OLDER CRIMES ARE ON PAGE 2 (http://usminc.org/crime2.html) Do people into the occult ever commit violent crimes, or is it all just "xtian propaganda"?
CRIMES AND INCIDENTS FROM 2007-1900 (Warning: Some parts are graphic)
Here's a sampleof some of the stories

2000 Warsaw, Poland; In April A 19-year-old woman and a 17-year-old boy were killed during a ritual Satanic Black Mass in southern Poland, police said after finding the cut up and burned bodies. The two victims were members of a sect that staged the black mass in a disused bunker on the outskirts of the town of Ruda Slaska, but they did not know they were to die. Another teenage cult member who survived was taken to the hospital with multiple knife wounds. Satanists Tomasz Suszyna,and Robert Krakowian plead guilty to the murders & sentenced to life in prison.


1999 Sawetto, South Africa A Mozambique man, Maeoriko Manyike was sentenced to life in prison for ritual murder and mutilation. Manyike mutilated a 15-yr-old boy and tried to sell his genitals which he had cut off. According to a news report: "Ritual or 'muti' murders are common in South Africa where people are prepared to pay well for portions made of human parts which they believe will bring good health or good fortune." What? You mean African Voodoo isn't a life affirming earth based religion??


1999, Kiev, Ukraine The supreme court sentenced Satanist Dmitry Dyomin to death for the riual killing a 15-year-old girl whose tongue he then boiled and ate. Dyomin belonged to a Satanic cult and with the help of two Satanist accomplices had severed the girl's head with a kitchen knife. Dyomin later lacquered the skull and kept it in his room. Skulls, books on black magic and upside-down crucifixes were found during a search of Dyomin's house. his accomplices, Valentin Chelyshev and Alexei Andreyev sentenced to 13 and 8 yrs. in jail, respectivley.


1999 Tulsa, OK -James Ryan Bunnell originally told the cops he had gotten a gun from his parents' dresser drawer to kill a skunk the family dogs were chasing and then tripped over the threshold when he went back into the house, accidently killing his 15
year old brother. If he hadn't been smoking pot when the police arrived, it might have made his story more believable. The police really doubted his story when they found a blood soaked pillow with four bullet holes in it. Later the landlord discovered occult books & the Satanic writings of Brunnell's in a Bible. Bunnell stated in his writings that he was the "Son of Satan" and desired to kill his entire family as a sacrifice to the Devil, according to testimony heard in Rogers County District Court. Bunnell also wrote, "I want to rape young girls and feed upon their flesh." Perhaps he was imitating Anton LaVey, who admitted to dining on the leg of a 20 year old girl. Bunnell pleaded guilty to manslaughter and recieved 35 years in prison.

eternal_spirit
17-05-2008, 10:14 PM
2007 Belgrade, Serbia A man was arrested 9-1-07 on suspicion that he killed a 5-year-old boy and his uncle and dismembered them in a Satanic (http://usminc.org/satanism.html)ritual, Serbian police said. The suspect, identified only as "Danijel J.", 27 y.o. , is accused of cutting off the victims heads, arms and legs in Novi Banovci, a village just north of Belgrade, before he dumped their bodies into the Danube River, a police statement said. Zoran Lukovic, a police inspector involved in the investigation, told reporters a search of Danijel’s flat in the village showed he possessed “Satanic literature” including a manual on how to dismember a human body and that he belonged to "an unidentified religious sect". Lukovic, the police inspector, said that police discovered “a room with an altar” at Danijel’s home where he performed Satanic rites.
Serbia’s Interior Minister Dragan Jocic said ritual killings are on the rise in Serbia.

eternal_spirit
18-05-2008, 08:41 PM
2006 Rome, Italy Police are investigating whether the killing of four members of a family from southern Italy was carried out by a relative who believed he had done a deal with the devil. The chief suspect in the quadruple homicide is Claudio Tomaino, 28, the nephew of the slain family’s father. Nine bullets were fired in all, most to the victims’ heads. The youngest victim was the 18-year-old daughter, Maria, who sang in the local church choir. Police are investigating a Satanic oath which Tomaino was said to have written before the killings. “Tomaino wrote that he had a deal with Satan to sell him his soul if Satan assured him he would make him rich and make sure he wasn’t sent to jail for killing his uncle Camillo and the rest of the family,” Salvatore Curcio, lead prosecutor in the southern city of Catanzaro, told a news conference. Curcio added forensic tests had proved the “contract” was signed by Tomaino in his own blood

thirdwave
18-05-2008, 08:59 PM
Hope you realize that Christian murders far out way supposed Satanic murders.

yes, very true..

the bottom line is that if a evil person is to do something and in the name of a religion or certain group, then its very foolish to generalise that group...

I do not know enough about Satanism to really like or dislike it and I certainly will not judge it from a christian perspective.

you could look at these Christians burning these people alive
http://rwor.org/i/091/burning600.jpg
and call Christianity the devils work... which many of them have been through history.

and you can also eat every last one of ES links and think that the occult is all evil and brand anything you see as evil as Satanism with no incite into what it even is....

I feel much of what's wrong with the world at the moment is this ignorance.

eternal_spirit
18-05-2008, 09:15 PM
yes, very true..

the bottom line is that if a evil person is to do something and in the name of a religion or certain group, then its very foolish to generalise that group...

I do not know enough about Satanism to really like or dislike it and I certainly will not judge it from a christian perspective.

you could look at these Christians burning these people alive
http://rwor.org/i/091/burning600.jpg
and call Christianity the devils work... which many of them have been through history.

and you can also eat every last one of ES links and think that the occult is all evil and brand anything you see as evil as Satanism with no incite into what it even is....

I feel much of what's wrong with the world at the moment is this ignorance.

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You're in denial all the evidence is in front of your face. So, my links are valid including some REAL documented cases.

How many times I know there are Satanists in the Churches.

First time I heard this take on the Salem witch trials. Make of it what you will.

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/articles/john_todd_and_the_illuminati.htm (http://www.kt70.com/%7Ejamesjpn/articles/john_todd_and_the_illuminati.htm)
I COME FROM A FAMILY CALLED THE COLLINS. Some of them on this side of the Atlantic Ocean from England have changed their name to Todd back prior to the Civil War. That's not to say that all Collins are Todds or the family that I came from, but this family brought Witchcraft to the United States.

I WAS IN PHILADELPHIA THE OTHER NIGHT and I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT, but after I left there the newspaper decided that their greatest campaign would be against me, and many things I said in my testimony they said they checked out and weren't so. It's funny, we checked them out and they still were so!--Like many things that I'll mention tonight.

WE EVEN WENT AS FAR AS TO SAY THAT WITCHCRAFT STARTED OUTSIDE OF SALEM, MASSACHUSETTS, and EVEN NAMED THE BAY THAT THE WITCHES LANDED AT that they named after the head witch, my ancestor, Frances Collins, and the newspaper said that place didn't exist. It exists. We looked at the map and it was still there! We don't quite understand quite what they were up to, but I guess they confused enough people to disregard it. We were wondering when people were going to get around to this, but anyway, I came from the Collins Family.

LET ME QUICKLY REMIND YOU, NO WITCHES WERE EXECUTED IN SALEM. There will be a book coming out shortly on this from Chick Publications. Except for one prostitute, everybody executed in Salem were Christians, and they were tried and convicted by a jury and by a pastor who was not a pastor but a slave trader hired by the Collins. The church was built by the Collins and the jury were all members of the Collins' church. Needles to say, they weren't Christians, they were Witches. We went back there and researched it!

eternal_spirit
18-05-2008, 10:20 PM
2000 Prince William County, VA Michael Lenz, a drifter serving 29 years in prison for burglary and firearm possession, converted to Asatru (http://usminc.org/hitler.html) (Odinism), a Neopagan religion that worships Thor, and started a prison chapter called Ironwood Kindred. During a ceremony, Lenz with the help of fellow inmate and Odinist, Jeffrey Remington, kills fellow inmate and Odinist Brent Parker. "I called [Parker] up to the altar..." Lenz testified at his trial. "And I pulled a knife out of my pocket and I said, 'Are you trying to take it to the next step?' And he said, 'Yes, I am.' And so I stabbed him."In prisons across the United States, the number of converts has increased in recent years, according to experts, some of whom say prisoners find encouragement for violence in the gods they worship. "This is a warrior thing," said Heidi Beirich, deputy director of the Intelligence Project for the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups and extremist organizations. "What they take out of it is violence, physical dominance and racial purity. To them, Thor represents the ultimate white male." Beirich said there are racist and nonracist versions of the religion in prisons and among the general population. Remington was sentenced to death for Parker's slaying, but he killed himself on death row in 2004. Parker was executed in 2006. He practiced Odnism even on death row, not seeing how it had ruined his life. http://usminc.org/FLASHGIFS/Police_lights_3.gif

thirdwave
18-05-2008, 10:27 PM
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You're in denial all the evidence is in front of your face. So, my links are valid including some REAL documented cases.

How many times I know there are Satanists in the Churches.

First time I heard this take on the Salem witch trials. Make of it what you will.

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/articles/john_todd_and_the_illuminati.htm (http://www.kt70.com/%7Ejamesjpn/articles/john_todd_and_the_illuminati.htm)
I COME FROM A FAMILY CALLED THE COLLINS. Some of them on this side of the Atlantic Ocean from England have changed their name to Todd back prior to the Civil War. That's not to say that all Collins are Todds or the family that I came from, but this family brought Witchcraft to the United States.

I WAS IN PHILADELPHIA THE OTHER NIGHT and I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT, but after I left there the newspaper decided that their greatest campaign would be against me, and many things I said in my testimony they said they checked out and weren't so. It's funny, we checked them out and they still were so!--Like many things that I'll mention tonight.

WE EVEN WENT AS FAR AS TO SAY THAT WITCHCRAFT STARTED OUTSIDE OF SALEM, MASSACHUSETTS, and EVEN NAMED THE BAY THAT THE WITCHES LANDED AT that they named after the head witch, my ancestor, Frances Collins, and the newspaper said that place didn't exist. It exists. We looked at the map and it was still there! We don't quite understand quite what they were up to, but I guess they confused enough people to disregard it. We were wondering when people were going to get around to this, but anyway, I came from the Collins Family.

LET ME QUICKLY REMIND YOU, NO WITCHES WERE EXECUTED IN SALEM. There will be a book coming out shortly on this from Chick Publications. Except for one prostitute, everybody executed in Salem were Christians, and they were tried and convicted by a jury and by a pastor who was not a pastor but a slave trader hired by the Collins. The church was built by the Collins and the jury were all members of the Collins' church. Needles to say, they weren't Christians, they were Witches. We went back there and researched it!

WHAT IS A SATANIST!!

blimey you spend all the time on here telling people who is one.. who is not one.... why its so bad.... WHAT IS IT?????

thirdwave
18-05-2008, 10:28 PM
2000 Prince William County, VA Michael Lenz, a drifter serving 29 years in prison for burglary and firearm possession, converted to Asatru (http://usminc.org/hitler.html) (Odinism), a Neopagan religion that worships Thor, and started a prison chapter called Ironwood Kindred. During a ceremony, Lenz with the help of fellow inmate and Odinist, Jeffrey Remington, kills fellow inmate and Odinist Brent Parker. "I called [Parker] up to the altar..." Lenz testified at his trial. "And I pulled a knife out of my pocket and I said, 'Are you trying to take it to the next step?' And he said, 'Yes, I am.' And so I stabbed him."In prisons across the United States, the number of converts has increased in recent years, according to experts, some of whom say prisoners find encouragement for violence in the gods they worship. "This is a warrior thing," said Heidi Beirich, deputy director of the Intelligence Project for the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups and extremist organizations. "What they take out of it is violence, physical dominance and racial purity. To them, Thor represents the ultimate white male." Beirich said there are racist and nonracist versions of the religion in prisons and among the general population. Remington was sentenced to death for Parker's slaying, but he killed himself on death row in 2004. Parker was executed in 2006. He practiced Odnism even on death row, not seeing how it had ruined his life. http://usminc.org/FLASHGIFS/Police_lights_3.gif

2000 Tampa, Florida A woman into Voodoo (http://usminc.org/voodoo.html) who owned a funeral parlor was arrestd when it was discovered she had placed several Voodoo dolls inside the corpse of one of her clients. The Voodoo dolls, called "trouble dolls", were supposed to carry her problems to the afterlife. Not only did it not work, but it landed her in jail. The story made local newspapers and television


I will choose my own websites and books to look at for info thank you very much.

marpat
18-05-2008, 10:54 PM
yes, very true..

the bottom line is that if a evil person is to do something and in the name of a religion or certain group, then its very foolish to generalise that group...

I do not know enough about Satanism to really like or dislike it and I certainly will not judge it from a christian perspective.

you could look at these Christians burning these people alive
http://rwor.org/i/091/burning600.jpg
and call Christianity the devils work... which many of them have been through history.

and you can also eat every last one of ES links and think that the occult is all evil and brand anything you see as evil as Satanism with no incite into what it even is....

I feel much of what's wrong with the world at the moment is this ignorance.


Totally 100% with you here. ES always condemns any form of spiritual system as evil. He has confessed that he dabbled with the occult and something bad happened. What I suspect is that he may have been to a dodgy initiation in which he carried out an unpleasent sex act then became unbalanced.

eternal_spirit
18-05-2008, 11:14 PM
Totally 100% with you here. ES always condemns any form of spiritual system as evil. He has confessed that he dabbled with the occult and something bad happened. What I suspect is that he may have been to a dodgy initiation in which he carried out an unpleasent sex act then became unbalanced.

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No, I don't. I expose evil BIG difference. What is weird here is your theories about my personal experiences and the fact that you ignore the evidence, nature and the topic of this thread which has absolutley nothing to do with any occult rituals I may have or may not have been involved with.

You have other threads to try and prove the positive side of the occult or satanism or whatever many names, different practices, ideas, theories....you may? advocate. Explain how these can work for you and others.... in positive ways, be interesting reading.

thirdwave
19-05-2008, 01:12 AM
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No, I don't. I expose evil BIG difference. What is weird here is your theories about my personal experiences and the fact that you ignore the evidence, nature and the topic of this thread which has absolutley nothing to do with any occult rituals I may have or may not have been involved with.

You have other threads to try and prove the positive side of the occult or satanism or whatever many names, different practices, ideas, theories....you may? advocate. Explain how these can work for you and others.... in positive ways, be interesting reading.

no one ignores all your endless links, ok I have not got time to go through all your pages and pages of stuff, I am reading a book on Magick and Tarot and I i don't have time to research all your stuff as well...

but no one really ignores it ..the stuff I have read I just don't see how you come to the conclusions you come to.... you simply create your own conclusions and expect others to do the same...

just because some people done bad things with occult and were labelled Satanists.... or even called them selves Satanists, it does not really prove your point as we are all aware there are stupid people in the world.

here look these people are christians... this must be proof that christians are stupid and nasty right?, if not then explain.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aZPUXXghSSI&feature=related

dondaz
19-05-2008, 04:41 PM
One of the questions I asked Michael Tsarion on film was the difference between Satanism and occultism.

Vid coming soon!

kblood
19-05-2008, 07:10 PM
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No, I don't. I expose evil BIG difference. What is weird here is your theories about my personal experiences and the fact that you ignore the evidence, nature and the topic of this thread which has absolutley nothing to do with any occult rituals I may have or may not have been involved with.

You have other threads to try and prove the positive side of the occult or satanism or whatever many names, different practices, ideas, theories....you may? advocate. Explain how these can work for you and others.... in positive ways, be interesting reading.

You can take ANY belief and show someone misrepresenting it in a bad or evil way. Thats not even a hard thing to do. Odinism for example, is not an evil religion or belief on its own. Its actually on its own just a mythology, unless people make it more than it is without its legends.

Calling it satanism is your way of putting it all in one pot, and I still think it makes you look christian. Maybe not in faith, but still it does in the way you see the world, both spiritually and and in your view of people in the world and on this forum. In threads like this you show it clearly by taking anything, not christian for some reason, and how someone made negative comments or murder in the name of something that did not really have much to do with it in the first place.

What you probably wouldnt believe is how satanists usually greatly misunderstands what the concept of satan is about, giving in to the lies and deception. Does it get any better when you then believe in the same lies as well, even though you are on the other side of the fence?

Satanist kills someone and yells, look I am evil. Christians points at him and yells, he is evil, burn him. Fact is neither of them are really evil, they have just given in to the dark side of their soul. Both of them, although with different excuses.

eternal_spirit
19-05-2008, 07:58 PM
LOL you lot are nuts and in denial

eternal_spirit
19-05-2008, 08:01 PM
You can take ANY belief and show someone misrepresenting it in a bad or evil way. Thats not even a hard thing to do. Odinism for example, is not an evil religion or belief on its own. Its actually on its own just a mythology, unless people make it more than it is without its legends.

Calling it satanism is your way of putting it all in one pot, and I still think it makes you look christian. Maybe not in faith, but still it does in the way you see the world, both spiritually and and in your view of people in the world and on this forum. In threads like this you show it clearly by taking anything, not christian for some reason, and how someone made negative comments or murder in the name of something that did not really have much to do with it in the first place.

What you probably wouldnt believe is how satanists usually greatly misunderstands what the concept of satan is about, giving in to the lies and deception. Does it get any better when you then believe in the same lies as well, even though you are on the other side of the fence?

Satanist kills someone and yells, look I am evil. Christians points at him and yells, he is evil, burn him. Fact is neither of them are really evil, they have just given in to the dark side of their soul. Both of them, although with different excuses.

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Seriously guys look at the name of the thread, look at the links and the posts and the evidence. Not one of you have told me anything I didn't know.

eternal_spirit
19-05-2008, 08:15 PM
Come one boys you're letting the side down. Let's see you do some REAL research and EXPOSE some Satanic cults/murders.

So, would any of you say to Icke, that he's a raving fundamental Christian( like you wrongly label me on every thread about satanism and black magic occult practices/rituals? for exposing Satanism?

Your intentions are not honorable or pure. TW Marpat in particular guess I'll add Kblood to the list too.

eternal_spirit
19-05-2008, 08:20 PM
Okay a one man crusade it is then I'll just post some more stories from the huge list/link

1998 Hyvinkää, Finland Three members of a Satanic were charged with the brutal murder and dismemberment of a 23 year old man that occurred on 10-21-98 in a small town near Helsinki. Finish Authorities had recently become concerned over acts of vandalism, such as desecration of graveyards, suggesting young Finns were showing an increased interest in Satanism. Police said, however, that the Hyvinkaa case was the first murder linked to a Satanic cult. The sex and ages of the members were two men 23, 20, and a girl, of 17. Body parts of the victim were found on rubbish tips in the Hyvinkaa area, which lead to arrests.The trial revealed that the murder involved torture, mutliation, canibalism and necrophilia. After he was killed the threesome cut of the victims head and limbs and removed some his internal organs, including the victims heart. The three openly described themselves as Satanists. One of the three had a previous conviction for the attempted burning of a church. The court also found the 23-year-old man guilty of torturing and killing his dog as a sacrifice on Hallowe'en. Amazingly, the leader (the 23 y.o.) only recieved a 21 year sentence and the other two receieved even lighter sentences.

http://usminc.org/crime2.html

eternal_spirit
19-05-2008, 08:34 PM
1988 Estuaire, Gabon, African President Omar Bongo met with leaders of the Catholic, Protestant and Moslem communities to discuss possible action against imported beliefs and practices of human sacrifices. This action was taken after an admission by a witchdoctor, purporting to belong to a sect based in neighboring Equitorial Guinea, that he had eaten six humans, including two of his own children, over the past decade. The witchdoctor was a railway worker and his followers had killed another victim, a teacher who was seeking help to solve family problems.


1988 Kansas City, MO Robert Berdella is arrested and confesses to the torture slaying of six men. Police eventually determined he had killed a total of 23 men. Upon searching his home, police discover hundreds of pictures of his victims in sado-masochistic poses, occult books and a Satanic robe, among other occult related items. Police also found human skulls and bones and a human head buried in Berdella’s yard. Berdella owned an a store that sold unusual and often times occult items called "Bob's Bizarre Bazzar". Police claimed that there wasn't any indication that the crimes were connected to a Satanic ritual or group, although not everyone is convinced of this. Berdella received life in prison where he died of a heart attack in 1992.


1988 St. Thomas, Virgin Islands St. Clair Daniel was arrested tried and convicted for two human sacrifices. Daniel hacked to death Genevieve Lewis, 53, and Steve Cornish, 29, with a machete on a beach in broad daylight in front of several horrified beach goers. Family and friends told police Daniel had been a practioner of his own brand of island Voodoo (http://usminc.org/voodoo.html) and Satanism. At his trial in 1989, Daniel tried to plead not guilty by reason of insanity, but prosecution pointed out Daniel was aware of what he was doing, because he followed an ancient voodoo superstition of dismembering a ritual victim so they could not return as a zombie. He was sentenced to life imprisonment without parole.

http://usminc.org/crime3.html

marpat
19-05-2008, 08:34 PM
Come one boys you're letting the side down. Let's see you do some REAL research and EXPOSE some Satanic cults/murders.

So, would any of you say to Icke, that he's a raving fundamental Christian( like you wrongly label me on every thread about satanism and black magic occult practices/rituals? for exposing Satanism?

Your intentions are not honorable or pure. TW Marpat in particular guess I'll add Kblood to the list too.


Just add me to the satanic list if you want. Icke didn't expose satanism and not everybody in here agrees what it actually represents. Satan is not a nasty evil spirit out to destroy people, look at the book of Job to get a better appreciation.

Who is to say that it's not just media hype, mistruth or lies when satanic murders are reported? big hype means big money. Perhaps you can explain how the absolute truth has been exposed so we can see exactly what the situation is, after all you believe that using lots of links makes you knowledgable.

Your whole approach to the subject smacks of pure, shallow sensationalism. You are a tabloids wet dream because you soak up all this stuff at face value without knowing what the real truth may be. Because you are dependant upon the media for the information you cannot be sure that it has not been altered or is plain false.

kblood
19-05-2008, 10:21 PM
Come one boys you're letting the side down. Let's see you do some REAL research and EXPOSE some Satanic cults/murders.

So, would any of you say to Icke, that he's a raving fundamental Christian( like you wrongly label me on every thread about satanism and black magic occult practices/rituals? for exposing Satanism?

Your intentions are not honorable or pure. TW Marpat in particular guess I'll add Kblood to the list too.

So your intentions are honorable because you "reveal" something so obvious? Your intentions are good because you remind people how the world has murderers and people willing to idolise them in the articles you seem to somewhat worship by now.

In what way are your intentions honorable and pure? You really amaze me with your own self denials. No I wont even try to explain that to you, you have to figure it out for yourself.

Oh yes, I will go tell everyone about how Jack the Ripper made horrible murders. Thats the way to save the world :rolleyes:

Seriously Eternal Spirit, you seem to need to regain some focus in a healthier direction. I am very amazed about the number of articles you have found, but what the hell are you trying to accomplish? Do you expect to have someone become more enlightened from it? Do you yourself feel more enlightened by it?

I would like to think there are much better subjects of interest for you to research other than ritualistic murders of all kinds. The research I like to do myself is finding the real people behind it all, but most of all I am actually trying to find those who knows how to aid the cause. How to go against the NWO, and how to help people. Mostly each in their own way, which is just the way I like it.

Recently I have actually found an amazing amount of good people. Both on my trip to the UK, and people where I work. Sometimes we have to face the demons in ourselves and others, but by doing so we give support. Help friends find their reasons for doing good, and purpose. Remind them why life is worth living, even though it sometimes seems bleak.

I have also been able to find a few of the people doing the puppetstringing. At least one important one, which I guess is the one I have to face in some way. Then we have all the Bilderberger research going on, which even shows that the director of Dong, a company my company works with, actually attentended last year. I have even had him on the phone, but he wouldnt answer any Bilderberg questions :o:rolleyes: So I just had to help him get Internet up and running somewhere like a good employee. Innocent untill proven guilty as they say.

I guess there is to my surprise, people who doesnt believe satanic murders are taking place anywhere. It is hard to figure out when the murders are just bloated lies made by the media, because that is what they want. Have us feel the world is dark and cold, with people wishing to hurt any innocent being they come by. That is the lie we shouldnt fall for, for that is too unnatural to be true. Believe that and you might already have lost.

Satanism usually is people hurting their own, and themselves. That is what they wrongfully believe in. In that sense they are therefore not a threat to us, unless we begin believing them to have power over us, or letting it get to us what they have done.

The people who are threats to others, they are the ones we need to find. You speak so much against Crowley, but how exactly was he a threat to others anymore than the bible or other religious personas?

Why would the NWO let the media discredit all of this so much, and make such a horror show out of it, if it wasnt to have us fear it and stay away from, i.e. the work of Crowley. I havent read his books myself, but the people I have heard speal about him, respects him for reasons that seem genuine to me. I will have to read some of his books myself to be sure.

I actually had a catholic priest laughing out loud by reciting the old, "Do what thou wilt." as if it was a bible quote. The beauty of it, is if we do what we want ourselves, guided by our moral and a sense of good, then do what thou wilt is indeed wise words.

In fact, fear is the reason people do not think those words good. They fear people will hear them as: it is okay to kill, hate, steal and all the most negative ways of living. That is what we have been conditioned to believe though, that is not how we really are, and I am amazed how many have been suckered into believing how greatly capable of doing evil we are. "Out of our own free will". The thing is, it is mostly disbelief in free will that leads to murder and other acts of violence and hate.

thirdwave
19-05-2008, 11:07 PM
LOL you lot are nuts and in denial

no, its you who is mate.. its shocking ...it really is...

eternal_spirit
19-05-2008, 11:20 PM
no, its you who is mate.. its shocking ...it really is...

HUH?
1981 , Singapore: In Nov., A self described medium named Adrian Lim, 46, his wife, Tan Mui Choo, 34, and his girlfriend Hoe Kah Hong, 33, were convicted in 1983 of murdering Agnes Ng Siew Heok, eight, and Ghazali Marzuki, 10, Agnes Ng was a 9 year old schoolgirl who attended the Holy Innocents Chinese Girls School, and was the youngest of nine children of a Roman Catholic (http://usminc.org/babelon.html)family. The three perpetrators belonged to a cult that combined Hinduism and Bhuddism and believed sacrificing children could "bring good luck". Adrian Lim was a 39 year old who was unemployed and who professed to be a medium with powers to cure people's ailments. He would go into trances, often adopting different voices and speaking in a different language. He also performed tricks, and had convinced many of his clients to sleep with him, on the pretext of "cleansing" the evil in them, or simply through harnessing to his advantage their fears and insecurities.Police later discovered their flat contained a bizarre juxtaposition of various religious items, Hindu as well as Chinese idols, some of which were smeared with blood, and even crucifixes.The three drank the children's blood after suffocating them in a bathtub. The children had also been sexually assaulted. Another news report writes that the "macabre ritualistic killings included drinking the children's blood, trances, and electric shock 'treatments.'" The three were hanged in 1988. I guess it didn't bring them good luck, afterall.

thirdwave
19-05-2008, 11:23 PM
Come one boys you're letting the side down. Let's see you do some REAL research and EXPOSE some Satanic cults/murders.

So, would any of you say to Icke, that he's a raving fundamental Christian( like you wrongly label me on every thread about satanism and black magic occult practices/rituals? for exposing Satanism?

Your intentions are not honorable or pure. TW Marpat in particular guess I'll add Kblood to the list too.

We know that some people get up to nasty stuff while messing with the occult... "Satanists" and even people who are not "Satanists"...

what do you think your links prove?... we know!!

you also have christians that kill them selves and hurt others, in the past terrible things were done to people... same with Muslims... Jews.... and even atheists that hurt people and them selves...

all you are doing is digging up stories of what bad things have happened in the occult and are trying to brand it all as evil....and that's is complete and utter rubbish...

you can dig up loads more stuff that have nothing to do with the occult!!, I can sent you imaged of footballers with the legs snapped in half with them on the floor in agony.... does this mean football is evil and should be banned?, no because for every game played in the year its not a big issue.


I have shown you a video of a nasty christian... and I can show you loads more... does this mean that Christianity is nasty?.. or does it mean that some christians can be nasty? why do you not show links to decent people that are into the occult and people that appear at peace with the world?... oh, that's just "new age" rubbish isn't it!?

you really do not have a point and you don't even actually know what Satanism is it could mean sausage egg and chips for all you know.

you keep flooding the forum with negative links trying to make people fear fear fear..... oh... cover your eyes, don't look..... ohhh cover it up its evil!!

ohh burn the books!!!...all of them!!!.... down with Satan....(that thing that some people call them selves and is meant to be that bad guy from bellow...who ever he is...)

all you do is push fear, not expose evil.... you think people need you to point out what evil is???? :eek:

if your going to research then try and educate your self!

eternal_spirit
19-05-2008, 11:24 PM
1981 Souix City, Iowa Satanists Randolph S. Bugh, 21 and Jason B. Darah, 17, receive 75 years in prison each for the Spring Equinox rape of a 15 year old runaway girl. Fellow Satanist Jayme Moore, 20, received 25 years for his role. The trio crashed a party, and chatted the girl up, who went with them to an all night store to steal cigarettes. After that, they took her to a Catholic (http://usminc.org/babbleon.html)cemetery, beat her, raped her repeatedly, urinated on her, and hit her head against a tombstone. During the episode, the 3 Satanists chanted spells. All 3 men had been well known to be involved in black magic. After the rape, the 3 drove back to the store and ordered her to steal more cigarettes. When she gets inside, the terrified girl tells the store manager what happened, who notified police. At the booking, when asked his religion, one rapist replied, “Satanism! I just want to kill somebody!"!”

http://usminc.org/crime3.html

thirdwave
19-05-2008, 11:24 PM
HUH?
1981 , Singapore: In Nov., A self described medium named Adrian Lim, 46, his wife, Tan Mui Choo, 34, and his girlfriend Hoe Kah Hong, 33, were convicted in 1983 of murdering Agnes Ng Siew Heok, eight, and Ghazali Marzuki, 10, Agnes Ng was a 9 year old schoolgirl who attended the Holy Innocents Chinese Girls School, and was the youngest of nine children of a Roman Catholic (http://usminc.org/babelon.html)family. The three perpetrators belonged to a cult that combined Hinduism and Bhuddism and believed sacrificing children could "bring good luck". Adrian Lim was a 39 year old who was unemployed and who professed to be a medium with powers to cure people's ailments. He would go into trances, often adopting different voices and speaking in a different language. He also performed tricks, and had convinced many of his clients to sleep with him, on the pretext of "cleansing" the evil in them, or simply through harnessing to his advantage their fears and insecurities.Police later discovered their flat contained a bizarre juxtaposition of various religious items, Hindu as well as Chinese idols, some of which were smeared with blood, and even crucifixes.The three drank the children's blood after suffocating them in a bathtub. The children had also been sexually assaulted. Another news report writes that the "macabre ritualistic killings included drinking the children's blood, trances, and electric shock 'treatments.'" The three were hanged in 1988. I guess it didn't bring them good luck, afterall.


my word!!, you have managed to prove that there are fucked up occultists!!!

give the man a medal!!!

we never knew that!!! :rolleyes:

eternal_spirit
19-05-2008, 11:45 PM
Quote: thirdwave
you keep flooding the forum with negative links trying to make people fear fear fear..... oh... cover your eyes, don't look..... ohhh cover it up its evil!!

ohh burn the books!!!...all of them!!!.... down with Satan....(that thing that some people call them selves and is meant to be that bad guy from bellow...who ever he is...)

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It's warning people who only hear the pro satanist propaganda, and all the Satanic sites, books put out there by Satanists ( which is the only sources many impressionable people find about said topics )

Plus they or others may well end up practicing rituals, join groups and then you end up with situations like the REAL documneted cases such as some of the posts I post. Is that a good enough reason TW? Is in IMO!

What happened to your pro satanic/Crowley threads TW, didn't post much there did you? Why can't figure it out? Or, have you run out of "good" points or any good qualities how Satanism and Crowley can actually achieve something positive, real, in your life to make it better so you can share and show us the proof of how it's achieved? And be used for the benefit of others?

eternal_spirit
19-05-2008, 11:49 PM
1981, Sacramento, California - A Self-proclaimed Satanist named Kimberly Goytia, age 13 is arrested for the shooting death of her sister. She tells police the killing was part of a "Satanic sacrifice". Goyita saw the movie The Omen when she was 8 years old in 1976 and became obsessed with the Devil. She bought several copies of the book and the later sequels as well. Her mother told friends Kim dressed in black, growled like an animal, and burned black candles in Satanic rituals. She only recieved a conviction for manslaughter and was eventually released on parole...supposedly at a time when America is unjustly persecuting Satanists (according to Satanists anyway). I recieevd an email from someone claiming to be a friend of Kimberly who said she is "doing fine". Such cannot be said for her victim, of course. Hopefully she has ditched Satanism now that she has a second chance on life. http://usminc.org/FLASHGIFS/Police_lights_3.gif 1981 New Castle, PA Frank Costal of New Castle was arrested for the Murder and mutilation of Kathy Kadunce, 25, and Dawn 4. The victims were each stabbed 17 times as part of the ritualistic sacrifice. Although Costal's defense attn. called the trial a "modern day witch hunt", it was the testimony of Costal's friends that ultimatley convicted him. Micheal Atkinson, Costals gay lover was a key witness and had been charged iin the murders a month earlier. Costal recieved life imprisonment.
http://usminc.org/FLASHGIFS/Police_lights_3.gif
1981 New York City Claude Morisette kills Voodoo priestess Mary Dutchalellier when she refuses to remove a curse someone else had placed on him. Morisette claimed he had sought out Dutchalellier for a "cleansing ritual".


http://usminc.org/FLASHGIFS/Police_lights_3.gif
1981 Chicago, Illinois Robin Getch, a former employee of homosexual serial killer John Wayne Gacy, and three associates, Edward Spreitzer and brothers Andrew and Thomas Kokoraleis, had a Satanic cult suspected for the murders of at least 18 women in Chicago. Known as "the Ripper Crew", Gecht and his gang drove around in a van looking for prostitutes to sacrifice in Gecht's apartment. They would remove one breast from each victim and eat it as part of a Satanic ritual. Getch and his friends were arrested in 1982 for the stabbing of a teenaged prostitute, and the three confessed. Robin is serving 120 years in Menard Correctional Center for mutilating and raping an 18-year-old prostitute. Fellow cultist Edward Spreitzer and Andrew Kokoraleis were sentenced to death. Kokoraleis' brother Thomas was sentenced to life for his role in the murders. On March 16, 1999, Andrew Kokoraleis was executed by lethal injection at Tamms Correctional Center in Southern Illinois for the 1982 strangulation murder of Lorraine Borowski, a 21-year-old secretary at a real estate office that was abducted on her way to work. Her mutilated body was found in a cemetery. On March 7, 1999, David A. Gecht, the son of Robin, and two others, were charged with first-degree murder in connection with the shooting death of a Northwest Side man. The killing is believed be to gang-related, police said

thirdwave
19-05-2008, 11:49 PM
So, would any of you say to Icke, that he's a raving fundamental Christian( like you wrongly label me on every thread about satanism and black magic occult practices/rituals? for exposing Satanism?


lol dear me!

I have met Icke and had a natter with him... he would have no problem with my views on this I dont think.. maybe differ with a few people he may not see the same way as I do... but he certainly would not be banging on like you do.. and we would over all agree.

I admit Icke does generalise with the word Satanism, but i don't think its something he claims to know the insides and outsides of, and sometimes he implys he is generalising a little, like .. "and with Satanism as we know it today"... or so on...

The occult is not his fortay... but you know as well as we do that when he talks about the occult he is referring to the illuminati and their agenda and how the occult can be abused and dangerous.. he does not really get into any other aspects of it.

He has sometimes stated that its not all bad.... and I have personally spoke to him about how rituals can be done for negative or positive. face to face.... He focuses on how it is being abused by the elite and that is what he focuses on... he is limited in how far his occult research goes.... which is different to somone like you who claims to research the ins and outs of it and knows its all evil and we should avoid it like Satan him self. Icke attitude is we should be very carful with it and make sure we are in very good experienced and trustworthy hands if we are to do anything with it.

I could also post a list of other reasons icke is not a christian but I have not it would take to long.

I people like Icke is what "christians" SHOULD be.... and probably where the idea came from long long ago...

the reason you are accused of being a christian is

a, you share the christians belief and outlooks to a T.
b, you defend the bible and up hold it as the truth.

both of which Icke does not.

I am convinced you are a christian, maybe you have just not come out of the closet yet... be your self man! why are you not one? :cool:

limelady
19-05-2008, 11:50 PM
Ah come on guys.....its a full moon I know, but can you please lay off each other for a while? Call a truce or something? I mean you know each other's points of view quite THOROUGHLY now, and the moderators get tired of you reporting each other's posts. :(

Can you try and not provoke each other for a while?

Please? :o

thirdwave
20-05-2008, 12:06 AM
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It's warning people who only hear the pro satanist propaganda, so posting links of idiots who got into the occult and fucked up is warning of satanist propaganda?

how so??... why are you not posting links of how Christianity has fucked people up??? why not warn religious folk on how much tourture it has brought to the planet over time and today..??

how many occult deaths have there mean compared to religious?

and all the Satanic sites, books put out there by Satanists ( which is the only sources many impressionable people find about said topics )
but you don't even know what a Satanist is... you just go by what articles say.... you have no knowledge your self.... if you really gave a shit and was not into pushing fear fear fear... then you would do some proper research and look to push out info which can help and protect people who are wanting to study it.. so they have better guidance... A book I am reading covers all the warnings ..from bringing mental brake downs upon your self to being greedy and loosing your focus.

but no you just want to fight ignorance with ignorance.


Plus they or others may well end up practicing rituals, join groups and then you end up with situations like the REAL documneted cases such as some of the posts I post. Is that a good enough reason TW? Is in IMO!
so you want to burn them all!!

great method! how about looking to education ... Magick has been used on earth for thousands and thousands of years... how about you look to education rather than running around trying to put blankets on peoples heads and trying to make out that the occult is the only thing hurting people....

if more people understood it then maybe there would not be as many ignorant people in the world so easy to control.. infact maybe if more people understood it then there would not be the fuck ups you look at...

why are you not bringing up how many child abuse cases there... nothing to do with the occult.... just there... what causes these???

how about digging deeper into society and asking your self what causes a guy to go out and stab somone to death.... nothing to do with the occult.... why does all that happen??



What happened to your pro satanic/Crowley threads TW, didn't post much there did you?
what's happened to them?, they are still here, in fact I am just in the middle of putting in a bid on ebay for an other of his books!

I did not bother conversing because you just ignored anything you did not like and just re posted the same links over and over and because you complained to the mods so they asked me nicely to give it a rest with you which I agreed too.... Im not going to and nor do i need to justify my views on him to you or anyone else, I respected the guy and I am certainly not the only one.


Why can't figure it out? Or, have you run out of "good" points or any good qualities how Satanism and Crowley can actually achieve something positive, real, in your life to make it better so you can share and show us the proof of how it's achieved? And be used for the benefit of others?

all my posts are still on the other thread... just because you ignore them it does not mean that I am going to post them again...

Im also going to order his Thoth tarot Deck this week... the large cards, good for meditation.

thirdwave
20-05-2008, 12:12 AM
Ah come on guys.....its a full moon I know, but can you please lay off each other for a while? Call a truce or something? I mean you know each other's points of view quite THOROUGHLY now, and the moderators get tired of you reporting each other's posts. :(

Can you try and not provoke each other for a while?

Please? :o

very true... I think ES fears it... and does not want anyone else to learn anything he is to afraid of.

no point in going on..

over and out.

eternal_spirit
20-05-2008, 01:22 AM
how many occult deaths have there mean compared to religious?

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Still don't get it how many times one more time ok! Religion is the occult the occult is religion. Your latest hero Crowley took parts of different religions and mixed them togther to form much of his ideas and teachings. where do you think the exoteric and the esoteric meanings originate from religious texts! The book and the christians Bible is one source( the one's you despise with a passion )

BTW Communism killed millions more than any religion ever did in a much shorter space of time and they're still killing the Buddhists Priests amongst OTHERS Today. 5O to 100 million mostly christians murderd by the communists just in Russia and Europe alone?

eternal_spirit
20-05-2008, 01:40 AM
1963 Yerba Buena, Mexico The Hernadez brothers, Cayetano and Santo, persuaded gullible farmers that Aztec “moutain gods” would give them gold if they would join their modern day Aztec cult. Membership dues came in the form of sex, with the women giving themselves to Santo, and Cayetano sodomizing the men, and also whatever monetary gain the pair could scam out of the peasants. When the riches failed to materialize, and the men enlisted the aid of a blonde bisexual prostitute named Magdelena Solis. The brothers agreed to give Solis her share of their take, and she agreed to pose as a “mountain goddess”. You think even peasant Mexican farmers would know a blonde hooker isn’t a goddess, but they fell for it. The farmers were appeased with getting to have sex with the “goddess”, but some still wanted to see the gold. Cayetano announced the gods must be appeased with human sacrifice, as in ancient times. The choice of human sacrifice were two doubters, who were beaten to death, and their blood collected and drank by the followers. Six more doubter sacrifices followed over the following weeks. Magdelena became jealous when a teenage girl devotee and lover slept with Santo, & she ordered her to be sacrificed. She was tied to a cross, beaten to death, and then burned. She then ordered the sacrifice of a man she decided was a heretic, and followers hacked him to death immediately. A teenage boy happened to witness the cult’s activities, and notified police. The patrolman sent disappeared along with his guide. Next a flying squad was sent from Ciudad Victoria. They found the mutilated bodies of the cop and his guide. The cop’s heart had been ripped out. The cult had retreated to a cave, & a shootout ensued with the police that left 3 cops wounded. Santos was killed, his brother had been killed earlier by a rival to the “Aztec priesthood”. The goddess and 12 followers were all arrested, tried, and received life in prison.

eternal_spirit
20-05-2008, 05:01 PM
Italian mass killer 'was servant of Satanic sect'


The blood has long dried and corpses no longer turn up among the cypresses, but Tuscany's horror story has acquired a sensational twist. The Monster of Florence may have been a Satanic sect bankrolled by the secret service. The murder and mutilation of courting couples over nearly two decades was a saga that was thought to have ended with the fatal heart attack of Pietro Pacciani, the farm labourer convicted of the crimes.
He would disappear into a landscape of woods and vineyards on moonless nights to collect gruesome trophies with a .22 Beretta revolver and a knife.
The first to die, in August 1968, were Antonio Lo Bianco, 29, and Barbara Locci, 32, who were shot in a car at point-blank range on an isolated lane on a week end. A pattern was set. Another seven couples were to die, the last in September 1985.
Pacciani, stocky and tough, was convicted of the crimes in 1994 and died four years later. Italy consigned the case to history. Except that last week evidence surfaced suggesting Pacciani was not the Monster. He was merely the delivery-man to a Satanic sect, which
commissioned the murders to obtain human body parts for ceremonies, said investigators. The real monsters were allegedly the wealthy and respected members of Tuscan society - including a doctor, ambassador and an artist - who to this day have remained undetected. A cover-up involving secret service agents and missing money is now said to be unravelling.
Last week detectives from Florence raided the homes and offices of Aurelio Mattei, a psychologist with the secret service, Sisde, and of Francesco Bruno, Italy's leading criminal psychologist.
Computer disks, books and notes about the killings were confiscated and both men were questioned for up to nine hours.
Neither is a murder suspect and they have not been charged, but detectives believe they may have withheld evidence from the original investigation into Pacciani, for which they were retained as consultants.
In 1992 Mattei wrote a book, Rabbit on Tuesday, which anticipated evidence uncovered only since the investigation was reopened earlier this year.
Bruno, a regular guest on chat shows, outlined the theory of an occult sect in a report commissioned by the secret service in 1985 - before the final killing. He sent it to Vincenzo Parisi, who has since risen to head the service, but the report was never forwarded to police.
The head of Florence's detective force, Michele Giuttari, discovered its existence only recently, after groping towards the same theory.
The report suggested the mutilations - the women's left breast and pubic area were removed - could have been used in occult ceremonies and even told of a remote villa where they could have taken place.
Pacciani worked as a gardener in [Removed], a former nursing home, which police belatedly searched in 1997.
Giuttari wants to know why the secret service buried the report during a parallel investigation, which spent hundreds of thousands of pounds from a 'black fund', of which no records were kept.
Giuttari hopes that following the money trail could lead to a breakthrough by revealing suspects who were protected by Sisde. 'We will clarify everthing and in good time,' he said. Two members of the secret service have been questioned.
Detectives never closed the investigation, even after Pacciani died and two of his friends, Mario Vanni and Giancarlo Lotti, were convicted for helping him. There were too many loose ends.
Pacciani's conviction was overturned and he was facing retrial when he died. The original verdict of a heart attack has been discredited and his death is now being treated as murder. The investigating magistrate, Paolo Canessa, believed Pacciani's heart attack in February 1998 was triggered by drugs to silence him lest he reveal the real monster, or monsters.
Giuttari thinks the illiterate labourer's unexplained wealth - two houses and £50,000 in the bank - were payments from the sect. The leader is thought to be a doctor.
The novelist Thomas Harris, sitting in on the hearings, appeared to share the suspicions and set Hannibal, his follow-up to Silence of the Lambs, in Florence.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/sep/09/rorycarroll.theobserver

Pacciani seen giving the satanic sign or curse sign !

http://www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/Pacciani2.jpg

kblood
20-05-2008, 05:38 PM
Quote: thirdwave
you keep flooding the forum with negative links trying to make people fear fear fear..... oh... cover your eyes, don't look..... ohhh cover it up its evil!!

ohh burn the books!!!...all of them!!!.... down with Satan....(that thing that some people call them selves and is meant to be that bad guy from bellow...who ever he is...)

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It's warning people who only hear the pro satanist propaganda, and all the Satanic sites, books put out there by Satanists ( which is the only sources many impressionable people find about said topics )

Plus they or others may well end up practicing rituals, join groups and then you end up with situations like the REAL documneted cases such as some of the posts I post. Is that a good enough reason TW? Is in IMO!

What happened to your pro satanic/Crowley threads TW, didn't post much there did you? Why can't figure it out? Or, have you run out of "good" points or any good qualities how Satanism and Crowley can actually achieve something positive, real, in your life to make it better so you can share and show us the proof of how it's achieved? And be used for the benefit of others?

Many people misunderstand Crowley from what I have seen, either because they have presumptions about him, like you obviously do, and have let all the satanism comments about him get to you. What is your proof that Crowley himself actually had anything to do with any of this?

Its you and others who are making that connection, without even realising that the connection simply is one made by other people. Not Crowley himself or his works. Like David Icke and others, he has gotten misquoted, misunderstood and of course there is the point that he did not even care about that. He wanted to make people think for themselves, so he said things that required some thinking to see beyond. Things that we quite harmless although they were meant to make people raise their eyebrows.

And then you ask for links to document our claims, because I do agree with Thirdwave on alot of what he has replied with. What does it help to link to disinfo or irrelevant articles though? I really dont see why it can be argumented for with our own words, instead of empty articles of crimes related to something, but doesnt really count for something as a whole.

I am even beginning to think that many of these articles are simple journalistic propaganda to get more readers. Its so far out it seems unreal. Either that, or yes these people really are sick and demented. Just like some christians, jews, islamic people, freemasons, whatever group of people we might think of. Unless its in their code of conduct, then its just narrow minded to take them all as one.

As for the reason you say you are posting all these articles. To show the "pro satanists" what it might lead to? I dont know about the others, but there is a huge difference between reading and acknowledging Crowleys books, and joining satanic cults. Maybe its just me, but I actually expect the members of this forum capable of figuring that out for themselves, even though Crowley isnt always called a demon worshipping bloodsucker by everyone.

Some of the interesting cases though, I think is people like Jack Parsons.

Jack Parsons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He seems to have been openly having satanism as his religion. He was a brilliant man, a bit like Crowley, who was said to be his mentor if I am not mistaken. The rumours about him seems to be that he into ritual sacrifice. If you want to discredit Crowley for real, then I would suggest you try to find direct links between Crowley and people like this. He tried to be the antichrist I think, and if the rumours are true, he even had his deadborn child placed in one of his rockets for some ritual.

For how long did Crowley stay as his mentor though, or for how long did Crowley actually condone the work of Jack Parsons?

The other stuff you are posting, as I see it, is nothing but accusations without anything to back it up. Its done with guesses by making assumptions. Likely or unlikely, its still not something that can be said to be certain or factual. Much like most other subjects on this forum :)

eternal_spirit
20-05-2008, 07:55 PM
quote: thirdwave

WHAT IS A SATANIST!!

blimey you spend all the time on here telling people who is one.. who is not one.... why its so bad.... WHAT IS IT????

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Erm there's many examples on this one thread alone.

Reply to the second point
same as the first reply.

eternal_spirit
20-05-2008, 08:00 PM
1987 San Fransisco On January 26 around 10 A.M., A 22 y.o. woman is kidnaped and raped by a suspect police call "the Satanic (http://usminc.org/satanism.html) rapist". While walking along the city's Mission District, the woman was forced into a van by a knife weilding white male believed to be in his 30's. She was bound with duct tape with her hands behind her back, gagged with a piece of red cloth, and left prostrate as the assailant drove. The woman was horrified to discover she was next to the corpse of a previous vitim, also a young female, with blond shoulder length hair, who had been stabbed to death. The van was draped in red and covered on the inside with pictures of Satan (and may have had a pentgram drawn on the ceiling). After driving for several minutes, the man stopped the van and told her "I'm going to kill you", but proceeded to rape her instead. The victim said he first donned surgical gloves and took off his blue jumpsuit, revealing a "silver necklace with satanic pentagram", (possibly a baphomet?). The rapist had long dirty brown hair and a burn scar extending from his right cheek to his shoulder. Sometime after the assault around 5:00 P.M., she managed to escape and report the crime to the police. The police believed her story and put out an APB. 200 tips about vans came in, but none panned out. The suspect still remains at large. Anyone with any information should contact SFPD. The anonymous tipline is (415) 552-4558. http://usminc.org/FLASHGIFS/Police_lights_3.gif

eternal_spirit
20-05-2008, 08:32 PM
http://usminc.org/crime3.html


1987, Nashville TN An unnamed (because he was a minor) 15 y.o. male Satanist was expelled form school and sentenced to 3 years probation and counseling for stabbing another 15 y.o.. The incident took place on 2-18-87 at Brown County High School. The attacker’s parents were made to pay $1000 for the victim’s expenses. The attacker belonged to the School Satanic gang called “Children of Wrath”, and had stabbed the boy becasue he declined to attend an after school fight. The Children of Wrath gang had bullied students in the school during the previous months, threatening students with notes decorated with pentagrams, and “666". Teachers apparently ignored what was going on, or weren’t paying attention. The attacker also cut himself in the attack, requiring 10 stitches. The remaining Alien elite of the Children of Wrath were all made to sign resignations or be expelled, and thus the Satanic (http://usminc.org/satanism.html)cult came to an end

eternal_spirit
21-05-2008, 04:29 PM
1995 Las Vegas, NV Satanist Edward Bennett was sentenced to death for killing a girl. Writings were seized showing that the murder was "ritualistic and Satanic." Some of these statements included: "There's a problem in this country and has a lot to do with being white. There's too many people with ugly skin."... "I need to kill somebody or tear someone apart. I got to satisfy my need, cure this thirst for blood. So as I make the sacrifice by doing it just for you and kill this child, for it is a first born, I'm giving you my soul, Satan. Where is my reward?" Well gee, he got you death row, isn't that enough?

http://usminc.org/crime2.html

eternal_spirit
21-05-2008, 10:36 PM
June 1995, Athens, Greece; Satanic Cult leader Asimakis Katsoulas and Manos Dimitrokallis were found guilty of kidnapping, raping and murdering a 30 year old woman and a 15 year old girl during occult ceremonies. They were sentenced to life imprisonment. Dimitra Maryetti was found guilty of complicity and sentenced to 23 years.Katsoulas and his "high priestess" confessed to leading a 20 member satanic cult, which had conducted animal and human sacrifices for three years. THE FIRST VICTIM WAS KILLED AT HER INITIATION CEREMONY Katsoulas claimed he was the vehicle for "ancient demons." Another witness was abducted when the murderers told her they were police officers who wanted to question

http://usminc.org/crime2.html

kblood
21-05-2008, 11:24 PM
Lets play with the thought that http://usminc.org/crime2.html is news that has either been made up, or had their facts altered to suit the needs of being anti satanism.

There could be two purposes for this: Scarring people with news of insane people killing and sacrificing because they believe it servers a greater... evil.

After a quick look at the site, that is obviously the purpose of it. Looking into what you are looking into, and it also seems to share your viewpoints a great deal. Christianity being better than most beliefs, and everything else being something for people who are "unstable" and likely to join sects, do rituals, suicide and all sorts of other stuff.

The documentation of those articles is also quite crappy. They dont even seem like they are the full article, just the part that suited this websites needs. Debunk everything that is beyond the 5 officially accepted senses as insanity or the cause of instanity. Link every religion that isnt christian with the occult and the link is best if it has to do with murder, kidnappings, theft and sometimes just threats of murder.

Add in some rituals and allistar crowley and the people on this website will have a small party and put it on this braindead website right away.

Sorry to say so, but it really takes a long time to find a more waste of time, narrow minded website than this one spending all its worthless webspace on spreading news of occult related crimes and using such slanter magazine kinds of news as their reason to say that everything occult is the work of the devil, go seek out god now or go to hell. That is basicly push people towards being godfearing people, which is so very wrong to be. If there really is a god why would it be something to be feared?

God, some people are just knuckleheads... :rolleyes::p

Now, could you at least please find a better source of this crappy kind of information? I guess you find it usefull, but if it ever got printed, it would even suck as being toiletpaper. What happened to exposing murders involving people with influence?

Why focus on these jane and john doe's with no real significance? If people are actually interested in these news they can quite obviously go to the website you have linked to more than 20 times by now.

Just a thought, if you take it as an insult, then I guess you might do so. I just know you can do better than this.

eternal_spirit
21-05-2008, 11:33 PM
kblood you trying to cover up satanic murders? seems like it too me.

Or was it the size of my sig that triggered off your response? :D

How about you do some research and find some better links and articles if the ones I post aren't good enough for you? Or, email the webmaster and author of that site that I post the links from find out where he get's his material from etc ( It's a huge site, and no one's going to sit there and read it all in one go. That's why I think it's a good idea to post snippets onto these threads time to time, so more people will read them.

thirdwave
21-05-2008, 11:40 PM
lol...

good luck kblood

kblood
22-05-2008, 12:10 AM
kblood you trying to cover up satanic murders? seems like it too me.

Or was it the size of my sig that triggered off your response? :D

How about you do some research and find some better links and articles if the ones I post aren't good enough for you? Or, email the webmaster and author of that site that I post the links from find out where he get's his material from etc ( It's a huge site, and no one's going to sit there and read it all in one go. That's why I think it's a good idea to post snippets onto these threads time to time, so more people will read them.

Sorry, but as I have already tried to explain, I really dont care about these kinds of news. The stuff I research usually doesnt even have its evidence in some article in a news paper. I have to read many websites in order to have enough different views on it to be able to make some conclusions myself, and if I even tried to compile it all before digging through the wealth of information there is, I would simply be wasting my time trying to document the discoveries made by others already.

I am trying to make discoveries on my own using the information I collect on this website, and then I share my discoveries here. That people like you dont take any information as good unless someone wrote an article or books about it, that I just dont really care much about. I find personal experiences that other users tells me about way more usefull and beliable than articles in government controlled newspapers.

This website and the places they get their information are simply trying to have people fear walking out at night, hate people who got even remotely occult like beliefs.

And your argument is "Are you trying to cover up satanic murders?". What are you on these days? You seem to be on a witch hunt or satanic whatever hunt, and what exactly is it accomplishing?

What surprises me is that you think people will change their view of something based on these articles about satanic murders. You make it seem as if it is a great secrets that satanic murders have ever happened... Its 6 months or at least it feels that long ago, that the first anti satanic thread was made about how satanism is so very evil.

You joined the thread and argued that "look at all these links and news about satanic murders, its true they are real and occultism is what lead to it".

Ever since people like me and Thirdwave have tried making you realise that its no bloody secret... its actually common knowledge. People just look the other way, because bad news makes people sad.

And still you think me, Thirdwave and Marpat are trying to stop you from posting these to protect satanists and satanism in general? Well, I can only speak for myself, and I am doing it to pull you out of this pit of bad news. Does it really make you feel any better? How many have said, thanks, that is just what I needed to hear to change my life for the better?

Maybe you expect people who are considering joining something satanic to read this and reconsider? Well, maybe, but you then dont think either the first 50 posts accomplished that, or something else would have changed their mind.

Why do I even bother, you dont even read anything I write anyway. I guess you would if I praised christianity and posted articles about satanic murders... :( Sorry, but I simply find that kind of work pointless and it hurts my soul alot more than praying to gaia, thor or whatever heathen god I might think of. Heck I have even met Thor, and he is a prime example of a white male. I thought he was red haired though, but I guess they arent called myths for no reason at all ;):D

eternal_spirit
22-05-2008, 12:31 AM
kblood I don't have time to reply to everyone. And what you lot post is nothing I don't allready know about.

I doubt any of you are over 30, which means you've not been researching as long as me ) I'm not asking you to agree with all I post) I'd respect the views of someone who's been in this game longer than myself.

I am the messeneger these articles and links are not my views entirely some I think is right but not all of it. And you lot keep banging on about me being a christian ( I've told you all over a 100 times by now I'm not religious nor do I follow any religion so it's a pain to point this out over 100 times )

The fact is there are many demons and deities other than Satan that people have and are known to make sacrafices and all manner of bizzare rituals too apease etc... It goes way back to Pagan times. You just don't wan't to accept this.

kblood
22-05-2008, 12:32 AM
Also, when I make posts myself about something, like news articles. Then I try to promote what people should be doing instead of what they shouldnt be doing. In that way instead of saying DONT DO THIS, it gives a sort of this is a good thing, maybe others would be interested and could help out?

I guess I could help out doing satanic murders, but they are a bit too crude for my style. Also it would just end up making people aim for being christian, although I do hope it that it isnt satanic murders that makes people go christian. Someones faith or religion should be chosen because it feels right, not because it feels wrong not to do it. There is a big difference between being pressed into doing something, and choosing to do it.

kblood
22-05-2008, 12:36 AM
kblood I don't have time to reply to everyone. And what you lot post is nothing I don't allready know about.

The fact is there are many demons and deities other than Satan that people have and are known to make sacrafices and all manner of bizzare rituals too apease etc... It goes way back to Pagan times. You just don't wan't to accept this.

For the 50th time, its no secret! People already know that lots of sacrifises have been made. The disagreement is that the very same religions could be had without the ritual sacrifice.

And you still go "im not christian!", no but as you have been told by quite a few now, your views are almost as christian as it gets. That you cant see it yourself just indicates that you might be brainwashed or something. That would in fact explain quite alot really.

eternal_spirit
22-05-2008, 12:38 AM
This is the satan and child abuse forum that's what we are supposed to post here. There' very few posts on the child abuse issues, no one want's to touch that with a barge pole, because of the evil nature and the fact that it's a public forum. But for you to complain about me posting about satanism beggars belief IMO.

eternal_spirit
22-05-2008, 12:42 AM
For the 50th time, its no secret! People already know that lots of sacrifises have been made. The disagreement is that the very same religions could be had without the ritual sacrifice.

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Not if their only sources are from pro satanic books and sites written by satanists. I'll keep on posting to make people aware and prove that it's not just some mad conspiracy theorists illusions.

limelady
22-05-2008, 01:02 AM
I just thought it only fair to mention here that ES has stated a number of times now that he is NOT Christian. :D

kblood
22-05-2008, 01:02 AM
For the 50th time, its no secret! People already know that lots of sacrifises have been made. The disagreement is that the very same religions could be had without the ritual sacrifice.

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Not if their only sources are from pro satanic books and sites written by satanists. I'll keep on posting to make people aware and prove that it's not just some mad conspiracy theorists illusions.

Fair enough, still I doubt it will affect any actuall satanists, since they either skip threads like this since it contains no new spells for them, or because they find their satanic books and websites quite satisfying for the knowledge they need. It might help make people realise that it isnt unlikely that the elite also makes satanic sacrifices, and that the secret societies might be part of this.

Actuall links to the OTO, Freemasons, politicians and so on would be nice though in these news, otherwise I still dont see much progress and change made from these articles.

If you seriously dont feel emotionally, mentally and spiritually draining from spending so much time looling into these satanistic killings, then I guess you are doing what you should be doing. I just know I would be quite depressed after posting the 50th article about satanic killings, especially if also reading all of them. At least consider splitting your time between researching this, and researching good news. Whatever you find good news. New kinds of music you like, new movies you enjoy... maybe try to forums with poems and such. I guess maybe you just do all the feelgood stuff in the time you dont spend on this forum, but from the posts you have made these last few weeks, it seems like you having been digging through lots and lots of these somewhat depressing news. I research alternative energy and different ways of enlightenment if I have researched something depressing for what I feel to be too long. Like researching the Illuminati, it just gets depressing in the long run trying to prove all the worst parts of it as true.

Researching the Bilderbergers seems fun though. They seem to be in every country, and not that difficult to find, because there are so many great researchers with their nose up their behind most of their waking hours, and sharing their findings as they come :) That leads to lots of "positive" breakthroughs and news about where to be to help expose them, or who to ask to maybe get some of the usefull answers. Well, I hope you see what I am trying to get at. I do not expect that you will stop posting these articles, just that you research other subjects as well, other than satanism.

Still, you do seem to be on a roll, maybe you will find something I dont consider pointless news, some of it has been interesting, but that particular website seems to have the agenda of brainwashing people into being christian, in the very christian fundementalists kind of way, by saying everything else is bad, evil or insane, and chrisitanity is the light, the good and the salvation. Even if that was or is true, then I still find the way of doing it very wrong.

eternal_spirit
22-05-2008, 01:09 AM
I just thought it only fair to mention here that ES has stated a number of times now that he is NOT Christian. :D
.................

Thanks LL see some of you noticed.

eternal_spirit
22-05-2008, 01:12 AM
1995 Athens, Greece Asimakis Katsoulas, 24, and Manos Dimitrokalis, 23, also known by their cult names Amon and Enigma, were found guilty and given life sentences on two counts of rape and murder and one count of kidnapping. Katsoulas's former girlfriend and "high priestess" Dimitra Marieti, 22, was sentenced to 18 years and four months in prison after being found guilty as an accessory to murder.

The three confessed after their arrest in December 1993 that they led a 20-member satanic cult, which had conducted animal and human sacrifices on the outskirts of Athens for three years. The cult's first victim was Dora Syropoulou, 15, who was killed at her "initiation ceremony" in August 1992. She was lured to an abandoned winery, stripped, handcuffed, raped and strangled. Marieti, who said Katsoulas sexually assaulted her during her initiation, was used as bait to trap the girl and waited in a car during the murder.

Katsoulas and Dimitrokalis kidnapped hotel maid Garufalia Giourga, 30, at a bus stop, raped and tortured her in their car before crushing her skull. Former cult members told the court Katsoulas convinced them he was the vehicle for ancient demons by performing miracles such as producing a snowball in his hand in mid-July (no doubt by slight of hand). He raped one of my daughters and assulted the other saying the demon demanded it," Evangelia Riga, the mother of two former cult members told Riga. Convicts serving life terms can request to be released after serving at least 20 years. The death penalty was abolished in Greece in 1993.

eternal_spirit
01-06-2008, 02:02 PM
986 Jarocin, Poland Two Satanists are arrested for descrating human remains and sacrificing an animal. The Satanists identify themselves as members of "The Worshipers of Satan" cult. Original name, huh? On August 1st, after attending a Rock Music festival, the twenty member cult decided to top off the evening with a Black Mass at a Roman Catholic (http://usminc.org/babbleon.html)cemetary. The two accused served as "masters of ceremony". The cult unenterred a casket and used it as an altar. They then captured a stray dog, tortured it to death, and placed it in the casket as part of a "Lammas Day ceremony". PAP news agency did not release the names of the accused. http://usminc.org/FLASHGIFS/Police_lights_3.gif

eternal_spirit
01-06-2008, 03:15 PM
1985 Calaveras, County, CA Leonard Lake is arrested for shoplifting and commits suicide while in custody via cyanide capsule. Police search his rural home and discover skeletal remains of 25 victims, along with tapes of the rapings and slayings commited with his partner in crime, Chales Ng. Upon questioning, Lake's ex-wife reveals Lake had often bragged about membership in a "coven of witches" that met in San Fransisco. Former neighbors also recalled Lake claiming to belong to a "death cult" that practiced ritual sacrifice...but no one bothered to take him seriously. Ng stood trial on 12 counts of murder in 1998, after a long extradition battle with Canada. He was convicted of 11 murders, those of six men, three women and two baby boys, and was sentenced to death. He is currently on death row at San Quentin State Prison.

eternal_spirit
04-07-2008, 02:23 PM
David Berkowitz confessed Satanist and serial killer aka son of Sam quotes.
"I always had a fetish for murder and death." - David Berkowitz

"I wasn't going to rob her, or touch her, or rape her. I was just going to kill her." - David Berkowitz

"I didn't want to hurt them, I only wanted to kill them." - David Berkowitz

"I am deeply hurt by your calling me a women hater. I am no. But I am a monster. I am the 'Son of Sam.' I am a little brat." - David Berkowitz

"He(his neighbor's "possessed" dog)won't let me stop killing until he gets his fill of blood." - David Berkowitz

"Sudden death and bloodshed appealed to me." - David Berkowitz

"I begged to God for death. I used to sit on the fire escape and thought of throwing myself down, wanting to jump. When i thought about dying, I thought about dying, I thought of being transported into a world of bliss and happiness." - David Berkowitz on his childhood

"...they acted human. But they weren't. They began to howl things. They wanted to get at children, to tear them up." - David Berkowitz on the voices he heard

"I never heard anyone scream like that. I just kept stabbing and nothing would happen. I just ran off." - David Berkowitz

"It just happens to be satisfying to get the source of the blood." - David Berkowitz

hunkahunka
04-07-2008, 07:32 PM
Hope you realize that Christian murders far out way supposed Satanic murders.

that is such a common mantra, but what 'Christian murders' are you referencing here? In your opinion , are the Iraqi civilians being murdered by the Bush administration victims of 'christian murder'?

kblood
04-07-2008, 08:11 PM
that is such a common mantra, but what 'Christian murders' are you referencing here? In your opinion , are the Iraqi civilians being murdered by the Bush administration victims of 'christian murder'?

If christians wars are taken into account, like the crusades... well they have their share of murders. Then they burned lots of heretics they called witches or scholars contradicting the bible too much for their own good. They also burned the knights templar after they became a threat to the churchs power.

Christianity comes from a long line of bloodshed, and satanism is just an offspring of this religion. Something to easily define anything that doesnt fit in with that mindset.

Still, there are interesting links between satanism and secret societies.

hunkahunka
05-07-2008, 02:45 AM
If christians wars are taken into account, like the crusades... well they have their share of murders. Then they burned lots of heretics they called witches or scholars contradicting the bible too much for their own good. They also burned the knights templar after they became a threat to the churchs power.

Christianity comes from a long line of bloodshed, and satanism is just an offspring of this religion. Something to easily define anything that doesnt fit in with that mindset.

Still, there are interesting links between satanism and secret societies.

many would classify the murders of WWII, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and the Nixon and Bush Administration as satanic murders. (it is clear the occult had a hand in most of those artificially engineered and unnecessary wars and often financed both sides)
So when you take into consideration the millions killed last century due the occult Thule Society alone, and then throw in the activities of the occult Zionist Rothschilds, Skull n' Bones, Hells Angels, etc., I would say there are FAR more satanic murders than christian murders.

eternal_spirit
05-07-2008, 03:08 AM
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23557

krakhead
05-07-2008, 12:51 PM
that is such a common mantra, but what 'Christian murders' are you referencing here? In your opinion , are the Iraqi civilians being murdered by the Bush administration victims of 'christian murder'?

OK, how about non-satanic murders far out-weigh satanic ones?

eternal_spirit
05-07-2008, 01:48 PM
OK, how about non-satanic murders far out-weigh satanic ones?

http://www.btinternet.com/%7Edigital.wallpapers/desktops/the_shining.jpg

Jack Nicholson impression in your avatar

krakhead
05-07-2008, 06:18 PM
http://www.btinternet.com/%7Edigital.wallpapers/desktops/the_shining.jpg

Jack Nicholson impression in your avatar

Kubrick liked his mad-men I guess! ;)

marpat
05-07-2008, 09:08 PM
You also have to consider that people may just kill and then say the devil made them do it, hoping to be judged as mad and get a lesses conviction.

Another angle is those who may actually kill somebody in the devils name. Doesn't mean the devil made them do, just that they are mentally ill. If somebody sacrificed another person to name of Jimmy Hendrix it does not mean anything other than they are deluded.

All of these things have to be considered if you are to find any true evidence. If people are happy to accept superficial scenarios then you can't expect them to find any deep truths.

kblood
05-07-2008, 09:58 PM
many would classify the murders of WWII, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and the Nixon and Bush Administration as satanic murders. (it is clear the occult had a hand in most of those artificially engineered and unnecessary wars and often financed both sides)
So when you take into consideration the millions killed last century due the occult Thule Society alone, and then throw in the activities of the occult Zionist Rothschilds, Skull n' Bones, Hells Angels, etc., I would say there are FAR more satanic murders than christian murders.

Yes, its easy to say there are most satanic murders, when anything not christian is considered satanic.

Still we could just add the iraq war as well, the vietnam war, and any war fought by leaders calling themselves christians. Maybe Stalin and Mao would help even things out a bit though, especially if you count starving your own people due to bad leadership. But they werent satanists. Studying or practicing something occult isnt satanism, satanism is just a part of the occult.

As I see it, the occult wouldnt even have been occult to begin with, if christianity hadnt come along, all twisted by romans into a religion to control the people and even the world. One of the best attempts to take over the world is christianity as I see it, and its also one of the best done attempts. It didnt take as much war, at least it didnt seem to do so, to begin with. Because it took over from the inside, then later they had to crush the oppression though.

So they outlawed witchcraft of all kinds, even burned people who could likely be considered shamans or witchdoctors in some societies. I would even say it lay the foundation of modern medicine to make sure all or most the wise when it comes to health and healing of body and spirit, were either silenced burned or imprisoned for life.

One thing is people actually becomming satanists, worships satan, does some S&M or whatever they are up to and wierd rituals. Another thing is people simply lumping lots of people together of all kinds of beliefs and labeling them satanists. I guess some just like to simplify it so its easier to comprehend and wrap the mind around. Not so many decisions to make.

marpat
05-07-2008, 10:51 PM
many would classify the murders of WWII, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and the Nixon and Bush Administration as satanic murders. (it is clear the occult had a hand in most of those artificially engineered and unnecessary wars and often financed both sides)
So when you take into consideration the millions killed last century due the occult Thule Society alone, and then throw in the activities of the occult Zionist Rothschilds, Skull n' Bones, Hells Angels, etc., I would say there are FAR more satanic murders than christian murders.


Well this is wrong for a start. Whether they were into any occult stuff or not does not matter. The fact is that it was ordinary troops who done the killing. Are the people who actually do the killing motivated by occultism? they would say that the idea is a load of crap.

All you are trying to do is to provide an umbrella excuse to blame occultism for all the evil in the world. The fact is that such blanket suggestions act in such a manner as to excuse the people who do the killing. They could just say they were under occult influence.

Using silly logic like yours I would have to say that during WWII most killings were carried out by christians. The German SS units at concentration camps were not going to be Jewish. Most of the allied armies would be christians as well as most of the axis armies. These are the actual people doing the killing on the front line, mostly christians. Who carries the blame, the politician with perhaps a bit of occult belief or the person pulling the trigger?

The fact is that the high death rate of both WW's was carried out by christians, the trigger pullers. If a Jew was running the country would you say that the Jews were responsible? you probably would.

kasalt
05-07-2008, 11:14 PM
Democratic Party official accused in satanic rape, kidnap

Woman, husband said to shackle victims to beds, keep them in dog cages without food

Posted: July 01, 2008
1:49 am Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily

A Democratic Party official and her husband are facing charges in connection with alleged satanic rituals involving the kidnap, rape and starvation of another couple in North Carolina.

Joy Johnson, 30, a vice-chairwoman of the Durham County Democratic Party and vice chairwoman of the Young Democrats, made an appearance in court yesterday after she and her spouse, Joseph Craig, were arrested Friday.

Craig, 25, is charged with second-degree rape, second-degree kidnapping and two counts of assault with a deadly weapon for an incident in January and another in May. Johnson is charged with two counts of aiding and abetting.

According to published and broadcast reports, prosecutors said a man and a woman met Craig through a shared interest in Satan worship, although the couple never consented to any physical abuse.

Craig allegedly shackled his victims to beds, kept them in dog cages and starved them inside his home. Police say he beat the man with a cane and a cord, and raped the woman.

...

Along with her interest in the Democratic Party, Johnson is one of the driving forces of a New Age website called "Indigo Dawn," a name which, according to the site, was given to Johnson during a meditation vision.

"She decided to explore the New Age community more, and after taking a course in Reiki healing, experiencing past-life regression along with direct guidance from her spirit guides, she confirmed that her destiny was to help bring about the New Age on Earth," Johnson's online biography states. "Joy shared her vision with her husband, Joe; as a result the Indigo Dawn was founded to raise the vibration of energy on Earth."

Among the services Johnson offers online are "intuitive guidance, past-life regression, spirit guide communication and healing and cleansing."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68469

eternal_spirit
08-07-2008, 02:14 PM
Ramirez had been convicted on 43 counts, including 13 murders, and the authorities have good reason to believe that he had committed several others. For over a year starting in the spring of 1985, the residents of Los Angeles County lived in fear of the anonymous "Night Stalker"


http://members.tripod.com/diagnosis_sk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/rrpentagram.jpghttp://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/serial_killers/notorious/ramirez/%28AP%292-2Ramirez-pentagram-on-hand-%28150%29.jpgRichard Ramirez displaying the pentagram on his hand


http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/serial_killers/notorious/ramirez/%28AP%297-2-Richard-Ramirez-headshot-%28200%29.jpg

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/ramirez/terror_1.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiEzER31gtw

some quotes : Ramirez
I am beyond your experience. I am beyond good and evil, Legions of the night--night breed--repeat not the errors of the Night Prowler and show no mercy. I will be avenged. Lucifer dwells within us all. That's it" --Richard Ramirez's statement before he received sentencing at his trial.

"I love to kill people. I love to watch them die. I would shoot them in the head and they would wiggle and squirm all over the place, and then just stop. Or I would cut them with a knife and watch their faces turn real white. I love all that blood."

"No big deal death always comes with the territory I'll see you in Disneyland"

"Hail Satan!" - What he would shout in court

He often mutalited bodies, and once left a pentagram drawn with lipstick at the crime scene. He thought that the power of Satan would protect him from being caught and would protect him from being harmed as well.

krakhead
08-07-2008, 07:44 PM
How about some examples of UK based 'mass murderers' with NO satanic connections?

Hey! Here's an idea - NON satanists commit horrendous crimes too! Who'da thunk it?

Richard Hicks

Joanne Catley aged 33, and her daughters, Phoebe Hicks, four, and Emma Hicks, two, died of multiple stab wounds at Healing near Grimsby on 3rd February 2004.

The girls' father Richard Hicks was found dead on a concrete slab under the Humber Bridge. Police said they were confident no one else was involved.

The bodies of Ms Catley and her daughters were discovered after the girls' one-year-old sister Lily was found unharmed in the back of a car abandoned close to the Humber Bridge.

Drew Affleck aged 25, was found guilty by a jury of mass murder. He petrol bombed a house leaving three young women dead. He was also found guilty of attempted murder on three other people who managed to escape.

On 2nd March 2001 he petrol bombed a house in Sanderson Ave, Irvine, North Ayrshire, Scotland, killing 2, Teraysa Murray, aged 18 and Carrie Marie Murray, aged 12, a third woman, Amanda Cooper, died 2 months later in a Glasgow hospital.

Afflec had previously been arrested in connection with the murders with another man, 25 year old Gavin Armstrong. But, had been released to allow the police more time to investigate.

The trial finished on Thursday 13th November 2003. But sentencing was set for a later date.

Wednesday 3rd November; Affleck sentenced to life imprisonment.

eternal_spirit
08-07-2008, 07:53 PM
I think the usual suspects are taking my thread off topic as usual.

soulja
08-07-2008, 08:03 PM
when did this thread claim only satanists commit murder ?

but the thread is called real documented satanic murders and it's about wait for it - satanic murders.

soulja
08-07-2008, 08:08 PM
btw i loved the reply ''yea but christians killed more!''

firstly even if that were so the thread is still about satanic murders and secondly, the vatican wasn't created by christians nor was it ever run by christians. it is a front/vehicle for satanic bloodlines.

to blame christians for what the vatican did is like blaming all americans for the crimes of the bush cabal.

krakhead
08-07-2008, 08:25 PM
I think the usual suspects are taking my thread off topic as usual.

Woo hoo! I'm a usual suspect! Recognition at last! ;)

when did this thread claim only satanists commit murder ?

but the thread is called real documented satanic murders and it's about wait for it - satanic murders.

OK, let's start a thread about black murderers shall we? That'd go down well wouldn't it? The inherent ideology behind starting this thread says 'Satanists ARE murderers', which, let's face it, is bollocks!

All A are B thinking alert!

eternal_spirit
08-07-2008, 08:47 PM
Krak there's a good reason for the title of the thread. On many other threads about Satanism I've posted on, I get replys like your a brainwashed fundy Christian etc ad infinitum (I'm not even religious)

And some say it's all Christian propaganda satanists don't kill:rolleyes:

So, hence the name of the thread to prove that some Satanists do indeed kill in the most horrific ways. You know they even kill fellow satanists who are involved in the same group as themselves (yes I've researched enough to know these things)

So, if anyone thinks about joining a Satanic group you may find yourself ritually murdered by the ones you thought where your satanic buddies.

krakhead
08-07-2008, 09:17 PM
Krak there's a good reason for the title of the thread. On many other threads about Satanism I've posted on, I get replys like your a brainwashed fundy Christian etc ad infinitum (I'm not even religious)

And some say it's all Christian propaganda satanists don't kill:rolleyes:

So, hence the name of the thread to prove that some Satanists do indeed kill in the most horrific ways. You know they even kill fellow satanists who are involved in the same group as themselves (yes I've researched enough to know these things)

So, if anyone thinks about joining a Satanic group you may find yourself ritually murdered by the ones you thought where your satanic buddies.

I have not made an anti-christian comment on this or, indeed, any forum. Nothing to do with any religion as far as I'm concerned. They all suck in my view! ;)

I just find the constant threads against any particular grouping of people, whatever they decide to call themselves to be narrow minded, mis-representative, and bigoted.

SOME satanists do indeed kill people in horrible ways, but people are, unfortunately, murdered every day and, mostly, by non-satanists.

Not trying to stir people up or cause a fight, I'm just trying to balance things out a bit is all!

soulja
08-07-2008, 10:32 PM
OK, let's start a thread about black murderers shall we? That'd go down well wouldn't it? The inherent ideology behind starting this thread says 'Satanists ARE murderers', which, let's face it, is bollocks!

All A are B thinking alert!

one's a race the other is a religion or at the very least a believe system.
theres no ideology behind this thread, at least it's not presented here.
all i see are cases of satanic murders, well documented btw.

what's your beef with this thread anyway ? what's wrong with presenting cases of satanic murders ?
icke dedicated whole chapters to satanism and ritual sacrifice so how outlandish to read such a thread on his official forum.

and i haven't seen spirit stating all satanists are murderers, have you ? plz do quote..

damagedbrainn
08-07-2008, 11:12 PM
btw i loved the reply ''yea but christians killed more!''

firstly even if that were so the thread is still about satanic murders and secondly, the vatican wasn't created by christians nor was it ever run by christians. it is a front/vehicle for satanic bloodlines.

to blame christians for what the vatican did is like blaming all americans for the crimes of the bush cabal.

EVERY thread is about "satanic murders".....and satanism in general....and Jews of course....when ES is involved. It gets kind of annoying after, say, about a year. And now he wants to whine about his thread being taken off topic. Boo hoo.

krakhead
08-07-2008, 11:28 PM
one's a race the other is a religion or at the very least a believe system.
theres no ideology behind this thread, at least it's not presented here.
all i see are cases of satanic murders, well documented btw.

And I could find, and quote, information regarding lots of murders carried out by black people, but what would it, at the end of the day, prove? Nothing. So why produce a thread about 'Satanic' murders.

If you can't see the glaring subtext to the point of this thread, then you should open your eyes a bit.

what's your beef with this thread anyway ? what's wrong with presenting cases of satanic murders ?
icke dedicated whole chapters to satanism and ritual sacrifice so how outlandish to read such a thread on his official forum.

No 'beef', just "Bringing balance to an unbalanced world"™ ;)

And, as far as I could tell, David Icke had a specific purpose to discussing 'Satanism', within a specific context. This thread just reads like some pulp collection of the gruesome! No point, no context.

and i haven't seen spirit stating all satanists are murderers, have you ? plz do quote..

I was trying to make a pointed comment on the apparent approach, not only on this particular thread, of some people's seemingly concrete opinions. Sorry if I was too subtle for you! ;)

soulja
09-07-2008, 12:01 AM
EVERY thread is about "satanic murders".....and satanism in general....and Jews of course....when ES is involved. It gets kind of annoying after, say, about a year. And now he wants to whine about his thread being taken off topic. Boo hoo.

well if it's annoying you i have a simple solution for you - don't participate then. infact you could just simply ignore every thread ES starts.
easy no ?


And I could find, and quote, information regarding lots of murders carried out by black people, but what would it, at the end of the day, prove? Nothing. So why produce a thread about 'Satanic' murders.

If you can't see the glaring subtext to the point of this thread, then you should open your eyes a bit.

oh so i can't see the ''glaring subtext'' as YOU perceive it means i should open my eyes a bit ? you're funny..
sry but who are you again ? god allmighty ? the all seeing eye ?
or just krakhead, a poster on a forum like everyone else with an opinion and perception of his own, like everyone else ?


No 'beef', just "Bringing balance to an unbalanced world"™ ;)

yea you clearly give me a balanced vibe just like your avatar does ;)


And, as far as I could tell, David Icke had a specific purpose to discussing 'Satanism', within a specific context. This thread just reads like some pulp collection of the gruesome! No point, no context.
I was trying to make a pointed comment on the apparent approach, not only on this particular thread, of some people's seemingly concrete opinions. Sorry if I was too subtle for you! ;)


did you write subtile ?
indeed you did, it seemed more biased against ES to me.

as far as i remember spirit said the point was to show that satanic inspired murders do happen. i think he showed that quiet well in this thread.

you can't see the context of the murders ? serious ?
psst- it's satanic murders just like the thread title said.

what a surprise !!

:rolleyes:

lizzy
09-07-2008, 12:09 AM
hi soulja,.....got those guys pegged, LOL;) only the muppet did'nt arrive to form a triangle, LOL:D

lizzy
09-07-2008, 12:22 AM
Democratic Party official accused in satanic rape, kidnap

Woman, husband said to shackle victims to beds, keep them in dog cages without food

Posted: July 01, 2008
1:49 am Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily

A Democratic Party official and her husband are facing charges in connection with alleged satanic rituals involving the kidnap, rape and starvation of another couple in North Carolina.

Joy Johnson, 30, a vice-chairwoman of the Durham County Democratic Party and vice chairwoman of the Young Democrats, made an appearance in court yesterday after she and her spouse, Joseph Craig, were arrested Friday.

Craig, 25, is charged with second-degree rape, second-degree kidnapping and two counts of assault with a deadly weapon for an incident in January and another in May. Johnson is charged with two counts of aiding and abetting.

According to published and broadcast reports, prosecutors said a man and a woman met Craig through a shared interest in Satan worship, although the couple never consented to any physical abuse.

Craig allegedly shackled his victims to beds, kept them in dog cages and starved them inside his home. Police say he beat the man with a cane and a cord, and raped the woman.

...

Along with her interest in the Democratic Party, Johnson is one of the driving forces of a New Age website called "Indigo Dawn," a name which, according to the site, was given to Johnson during a meditation vision.

"She decided to explore the New Age community more, and after taking a course in Reiki healing, experiencing past-life regression along with direct guidance from her spirit guides, she confirmed that her destiny was to help bring about the New Age on Earth," Johnson's online biography states. "Joy shared her vision with her husband, Joe; as a result the Indigo Dawn was founded to raise the vibration of energy on Earth."

Among the services Johnson offers online are "intuitive guidance, past-life regression, spirit guide communication and healing and cleansing."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68469

hi kasalt :)
An interesting news piece.....politics, satanism and the NA all neatly tied together.

dondaz
09-07-2008, 12:27 AM
Come on guys. Keep the thread on topic. If ES wants to start a thread about satanic murders, fine. Seems to be a few wind-ups merchants on here. Challenging the info is the best way to go, not pulling a quick one because one doesn't like the info that has been presented.

Seems to be a few familier members pulling these stunts.

See sig!

kweli
09-07-2008, 10:00 AM
Come on guys. Keep the thread on topic. If ES wants to start a thread about satanic murders, fine. Seems to be a few wind-ups merchants on here. Challenging the info is the best way to go, not pulling a quick one because one doesn't like the info that has been presented.

Seems to be a few familier members pulling these stunts.

See sig!

Glad it's not going unnoticed Dondaz.

marpat
09-07-2008, 10:10 AM
Democratic Party official accused in satanic rape, kidnap

Woman, husband said to shackle victims to beds, keep them in dog cages without food

Posted: July 01, 2008
1:49 am Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily

A Democratic Party official and her husband are facing charges in connection with alleged satanic rituals involving the kidnap, rape and starvation of another couple in North Carolina.

Joy Johnson, 30, a vice-chairwoman of the Durham County Democratic Party and vice chairwoman of the Young Democrats, made an appearance in court yesterday after she and her spouse, Joseph Craig, were arrested Friday.

Craig, 25, is charged with second-degree rape, second-degree kidnapping and two counts of assault with a deadly weapon for an incident in January and another in May. Johnson is charged with two counts of aiding and abetting.

According to published and broadcast reports, prosecutors said a man and a woman met Craig through a shared interest in Satan worship, although the couple never consented to any physical abuse.

Craig allegedly shackled his victims to beds, kept them in dog cages and starved them inside his home. Police say he beat the man with a cane and a cord, and raped the woman.

...

Along with her interest in the Democratic Party, Johnson is one of the driving forces of a New Age website called "Indigo Dawn," a name which, according to the site, was given to Johnson during a meditation vision.

"She decided to explore the New Age community more, and after taking a course in Reiki healing, experiencing past-life regression along with direct guidance from her spirit guides, she confirmed that her destiny was to help bring about the New Age on Earth," Johnson's online biography states. "Joy shared her vision with her husband, Joe; as a result the Indigo Dawn was founded to raise the vibration of energy on Earth."

Among the services Johnson offers online are "intuitive guidance, past-life regression, spirit guide communication and healing and cleansing."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68469


But what if Craig had been pretending to be a satanist in order to lure people to him that he though would be up for some wierd sex? what might have happened is that he tried to meet people for sex, thinking that was going to be the place to get it, then they turn up and don't want to have sex so in a fit of rage he locks them up and abuses them. It may have nothing to do with satanism but everything to do with violent lust.

soulja
09-07-2008, 11:18 AM
i see the triangle is complete :D

another case of satanic murder

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1790000/images/_1792416_manuela300.jpg

A German couple who say they killed their friend on the orders of the devil are due to be sentenced on Thursday, concluding a case which has rocked the country.

Daniel Ruda, 26, and his wife Manuela, 23, admit killing Frank Haagen, but say they were not responsible for his death.

His body was found decomposing in the couple's flat in Bochum, in the west of the country, last July.

He had been battered to death with a hammer and was covered in dozens of stab wounds.

A scalpel protruded from his stomach and a pentagram, the sign of the devil, was carved into his chest.

Confessions

The couple went on the run for a week after killing Mr Haagen, 33, who had worked with Mr Ruda.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1790000/images/_1792416_manuela150.jpg

They were arrested after being spotted at a petrol station in the eastern town of Jena.

They confessed to the killing, but deny they are murderers.
"I got the order to sacrifice a human for Satan," Daniel Ruda told the court in a statement.

Manuela Ruda said: "It was not murder. It was the execution of an order. Satan ordered us to. It simply had to be. We wanted to make sure that the victim suffered well."

Mrs Ruda, who is tattooed and has an upside down cross shaved into the side of her hair, told the Court she became a Satanist in Britain.

She described drinking blood from volunteers she met over the Internet.

"I was in England and Scotland, met people and vampires in London. We went out at night, to cemeteries, in ruins and in the woods. I also slept on graves and even allowed myself to be buried in a grave to test the feeling,"she said.

"I signed over my soul to Satan two and a half years ago."


Leniency

The case has attracted sensational coverage in the German media.
The couple have appeared in court dressed in black, posing for photographers and making rude gestures to the packed public gallery.

Mr Haagen's family has called for the couple to be jailed for life.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1790000/images/_1792416_daniel150.jpg

But the prosecution argues the pair showed diminished responsibility, recommending Daniel Ruda serve 14 years in a secure psychiatric unit, and his wife serve 12 years.

Prosecutor Dieter Justinsky told the court the couple are "not the monsters" portrayed in the media, but "deeply disturbed characters."

The defence argues they should be given more lenient sentences, on the grounds of mental instability.

During the trial, several witnesses testified the couple suffered from personality disorders.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1792416.stm

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/Handsign/ruda2.jpg

soulja
09-07-2008, 11:39 AM
i highlighted the personality disorder statement because if you research monarch type mind control you'll notice how satanic rituals tie into the process of creating MK slaves through traumatic experiences.

also it's pretty obvious to me that many of these horrific murders are done by mind controlled victims. possession also plays a role and is an essential part of mind control. the illuminati believe without the help of demonic spirits wich are placed into the MK victim through invokation rituals, the mind control wouldn't work as well.

soulja
10-07-2008, 03:48 PM
the jonbenet murder can also be put into the category satanic
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7939&page=5

satanic murder and mind control ;)

krakhead
10-07-2008, 08:25 PM
oh so i can't see the ''glaring subtext'' as YOU perceive it means i should open my eyes a bit ? you're funny..
sry but who are you again ? god allmighty ? the all seeing eye ?
or just krakhead, a poster on a forum like everyone else with an opinion and perception of his own, like everyone else ?

Okay, this thread is for the one's who are still in denial that this stuff is real, or anyone who want's to know more.

I never thought it wasn't real. Murder happens. Every day. Black people commit murder. Women commit murder. Ice Cream vendors commit murder. People who you-bumped-into-at-the-post-office-the-other-day-and-you-know-their-face-but-can't-remember-where-you-know-them-from commit murder. Why would a 'satanic' murder be worthy of more attention? Murder can, I think, generally be placed in the column "Bad things that happen". One of the first posts was shown to be from a satirical news source. Hardly an auspicious start!

yea you clearly give me a balanced vibe just like your avatar does ;)

My avatar rocks the house! Private 'Pig' Pyle - refused to accept the military's brainwashing and destroyed his tormentor!! ;)

did you write subtile ?
indeed you did, it seemed more biased against ES to me.

Not bias - balance! :p

as far as i remember spirit said the point was to show that satanic inspired murders do happen. i think he showed that quiet well in this thread.

you can't see the context of the murders ? serious ?
psst- it's satanic murders just like the thread title said.

what a surprise !!

:rolleyes:

I didn't mean the context within the title of the thread! :rolleyes: The larger context, within which a discussion about a narrow band of occurrences within the larger spread of daily, unnecessary loss of life appears to be biased and an attempt to skew perceptions.

And in a larger context, why does anyone who joins a thread and not join in with the backslapping, circle jerk approach of a certain few get deemed a trouble maker!?

This has been set up as a PUBLIC forum where people can exchange ideas. Some you will agree with, others you won't, but you will LEARN. And maybe expand your reality tunnel.

Apparently that scares some people. :eek:

BTW - I am also Marpat, Thirdwave and Damagedbrainn! I have trouble keeping up with who I'm posting as. Remembering to spell incorrectly when posting as TW takes a lot out of me! ;)

No triangle (or square) - just a single point of infinite, enlightened consciousness who has lowered himself into the physical realm in an attempt to enlighten the few who will listen. Mwuahahahahaha!! :p;):cool:

soulja
16-07-2008, 02:34 PM
Can you Connect the Satanic Dots?
Texas Rapper Held in Ghoulish Murder of Young L.A. Woman

[Editor's Note: This is the story we read in the newspaper: an incomprehensible blood bath killing in which the victim's organs are ripped out and eaten by the killer. We read of PCP drugs, but is that all there is to it? An insane, cannibalistic, vicious murder committed because of PCP? No, this looks too much like satanic murder. And where we have satanic murder, we have people who've been conditioned by mind control programs like MK Ultra. As Brice Taylor made abundantly clear in her book, Thanks for The Memories, they program entertainers who in turn trigger and firm up mind control programming for the tens of thousands of other victims of mind control who listen to their music...Ken Adachi ]

Aspiring Texas Rapper to Stand Trial in Death of L.A. Woman

By By Jennifer Sinco Kelleher
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
May 30, 2002
<http://www.latimes.com/templates/misc/printstory.jsp?slug=la%2D000038134may30>
<http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-000038134may30.story>

Violence: Victim's chest was torn open, exposing her internal organs, detective says at hearing.

LOS ANGELES..Antron Singleton, an aspiring rapper charged with murdering a southeast Los Angeles woman in April, was ordered to stand trial Wednesday after a detective testified that there were teeth marks on her face and on pieces of her lung,
which had been removed from her chest. Los Angeles Det. Raymond Jankowski testified at Singleton's preliminary hearing that when he found the body of the victim, Tynisha Ysais, 21, in her apartment at 108th and Figueroa streets, her chest was ripped open. Jankowski also testified Wednesday at the Compton Superior Court hearing that a medical examination shortly after Singleton was arrested found blood and flesh not belonging to him in his stomach.

"Her chest was open, exposing internal organs," Jankowski said. Pieces of her right lung appeared chewed and torn, he said. The detective also said he found a broken three-inch knife blade near her left shoulder. Ysais' friend Alisa Allen testified that about noon on April 10, she saw Singleton--who goes by the stage name "Big Lurch"--naked on the street. His chest, stomach and mouth were covered in blood, she said. "He was looking toward the sky," Allen said. Allen flagged down a police officer, who arrested Singleton. She then went up to her apartment and found her friend, whose nickname was "Pocahontas," lying dead on her bedroom floor. "She was cut up really, really bad," Allen said slowly, holding back tears. Ysais' boyfriend, Thomas Moore, testified that he and Singleton had been smoking PCP in the apartment the night before.

The victim's mother, Carolyn Stinson, sat in back of the courtroom. "That's so gross," she muttered under her breath during Jankowski's testimony. "[The police] told me not to believe the rumors, but they were true." Singleton's attorney, Milton Grimes, said his client is originally from Texas and had been in Los Angeles for a few months recording a rap album. During Ysais' funeral, friends and family said she had dreams of becoming a model. Ysais, who had two young children, was known for her wide smile. "She was beautiful," said her childhood friend Tanisha Lowe. "No matter what was going on in her life, she
knew how to keep smiling."

Superior Court Judge John J. Cheroske ordered Singleton held without bail pending his arraignment June 13.
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/sraconnectsatanicdots30may02.shtml

soulja
16-07-2008, 02:37 PM
this is the amazing and shocking testimony of Debra Hunter Pitts, who grew up in Butler County, Missouri in the 50s and 60s - a major Satanic part of the United States at that time, where human sacrifice was happening every day. Debra grew up with her Satanic step-father, Jack and her step-mother, Helen, and she was beaten bloody on a daily basis by her step-mother for years and years for no other reason than looking at her. All this trauma had her develop manic depression, which she is fighting against up to this day.

The only person decent enough to try and help her was her grandfather, who did everything in his power to make police and authorities pay attention and have this insanity stop, but there was nowhere to turn, because police and Government on high levels were involved in this Satanic cult as well, and therefore no one wanted the truth to come out.

It was getting worse. Debra was a witness to how Terry Johnson, in charge of the county and a top CIA/Nazi, literally cut a pregnant woman open on the alter she lay on and cut out a baby boy. There were many women and children killed and Debra learned that they had been abducted from other states.

The culmination of this horror happened when one day she became a witness to mass graves on Jack Chittenden's, her step-father, property, where she and her 'family' lived! Jack owned some acres of land on which the house where they lived in was standing, and behind the house there was a wood, also his property, where mass graves were located. The corpses belonged to young people, who had been sacrificed in Satanic rituals over time. According to Debra, around 300 bodies were buried there, mostly women, and they all looked like they had been starved in a concentration camp, which the Nazis claimed were actually being used in the timeframe we are discussing

Needless to say, this was extremely traumatic for Debra, and still there was no help to get anywhere, it seemed.

Already as a young girl, Debra became aware of this huge conspiracy taking place in Butler County; a conspiracy so vast that it could be traced all the way up to the highest levels of the US Government - and above! Debra generally call these people "The Nazis", which is what they are, but they are better known as the Illuminati these days. This young girl learnt from being brought up amongst those Insiders that a coup had overthrown our democratic way of life in the United States, but that the takeover was not complete.

The Satanic rituals she witnessed were just a part of the whole conspiracy - these people ARE Satanists and occultists and human sacrifice is common practice in those circles. For those who still refuse to believe that, please dedicate some research to it, and a very scary picture will evolve. A great deal of this occult conspiracy is revealed on this website, and Debra's story corresponds well with this research.

Debra felt she had to do something about this whole conspiracy, and already as a teenager she founded "Militia One", a resistance group with intention of stopping the coup with a revolution. Famous people were involved in this Militia Group, such celebrities as Eric Clapton and Carlos Santana, with whom she has kids, and they had support from people in Hollywood as well.

In 1984-85, the FBI and the Treasury Department paid a visit to the mass graves and removed the bodies. Debra then thought that maybe now there would be some justice, but that didn't happen. No bodies seem to ever have been returned to their families and nothing was mentioned about it in the media, which makes sense when you know that mainstream media is owned by the same people that were planning the coup. The cover-up is total.

But as we shall see, Militia One was the driving force at stopping (or at least seriously halting and interrupting) the biggest threat towards United States Sovereignty in history - a total takeover of this country by the Illuminati, a Nazi Elite, which has been infiltrating and infecting a big part of our Government for a long time! We know that the Illuminati are still on their way of getting there, but since Militia One's interference, they have had to try other tactics, which they are still planning and working on as we speak.

How did Debra survive something like this? She says she has her deep faith in God and that has helped her through her trauma a great deal and has been her 'rock' to hold on to all these years.

So this is the true story of a few American and British heroes, who sacrificed everything for us and the country they lived in, knowing that all the work they did with risk for their own lives may even go unrecognized by the world. However, I hope that this article will reveal the truth to at least some people, who then can repeat the story to others.

Debra contacted me because she had read the 'Rock and Roll and Mind Control' section of my website, and felt that this would be the forum to tell her story.

Also, for more information and background on Debra Hunter Pitts, please listen to her being interviewed by the researcher and radio host Greg Szymanski in 2006. The interview can be listened to and downloaded online.

Now I am proud to let you take part of this exclusive interview I did with Debra in January, 2008:

You can read the interview at this link.
http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/75.html

thirdwave
16-07-2008, 03:05 PM
Soulja is like ES2!

thirdwave
16-07-2008, 03:08 PM
i see the triangle is complete :D

another case of satanic murder


http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/Handsign/ruda2.jpg

what a horrid couple.

kweli
16-07-2008, 03:32 PM
Keep em coming soulja.. I find your posts (& ES's) very interesting.

soulja
18-07-2008, 02:38 PM
thx kweli ;)

Italian 'Beasts of Satan' jailed

The Italian mastermind of three gruesome "satanic" murders has been sentenced to 30 years in prison.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40855000/jpg/_40855627_guerrieri_ap_203.jpg
Pietro Guerrieri has been sentenced to 16 years in jail

A second member of the cult involved in the murders received a 16-year term, while a third man was acquitted.

The killings, which shocked Italy, were carried out by a heavy metal band calling itself the Beasts of Satan.

The three victims were a woman shot and then buried alive in 2004 and a teenage couple, who were murdered six years earlier.

Andrea Volpe, the leader of the heavy metal group and the main culprit in the murders, has been handed down a longer prison sentence than expected.

His prosecutors had asked for 20 years on the grounds that had cooperated with investigators and shown remorse.

Pietro Guerrieri is to serve the 16-year term.

Buried alive

"Today justice rewarded me", said Michele Tollis, the father of Fabio, who was only 16 when he was killed and buried along with his 19-year-old girlfriend Chiara in a forest not far from Milan.

But Chiara's mother, Lina Marino, was outraged at the punishment, which she considered too lenient.

"They are murderers. It's not fair," she said.

The 1998 murders were carried out as part of drug fuelled rituals involving sex and heavy metal music.

The couple, themselves members of the heavy metal band, were killed in woods northeast of Milan and then buried next to each other.

Volpe was also found guilty of the 2004 murder of his own girlfriend, 27-year-old Mariangela Pezzotta, who was shot and buried alive in a forest.

It was the discovery of her body that helped investigators solve the 1998 case.

A third defendant was acquitted at the end of the fast-track trial on Tuesday, but five more members of the cult are due to go to trial in June.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4287995.stm

soulja
18-07-2008, 02:40 PM
check this link out, very interesting imo..

Halloween Deaths: Satanic Ritual Murders or Natural Causes?
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/halloween_deaths.htm

soulja
18-07-2008, 02:44 PM
In Lone Defense of Scott Peterson

by Jen Shroder
12/13/04 permission to repost already granted

I don’t get it. My favorite columnists are writing volumes to hang Scott Peterson. Crowds at the courthouse are being compared to lynch mobs. Peterson is being compared to Hitler, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer and a hit list of gruesome ax murdering child molesters. But the columnists forgot one thing, where’s the evidence?

The news media has laughed a little too hard at the possibility of a satanic cult. If you do the research, there are THOUSANDS of unrecovered missing women and children in California that the media ignores. There ARE childhood survivors of satanic cults who have testified to graphic descriptions of siblings being tortured to death. Recently in Italy, two teenage members of a heavy metal rock band called the "Beasts of Satan" were killed by other band members in a human sacrifice involving black candles, goats’ skulls and sexual violence. In Houston, Texas, a police officer gave school children satanic sex calendars featuring explicit details on satanic and sexual rituals for every day of the month.

In 1988 Geraldo Rivera received heavy criticism and pressure for reporting on Satan’s Underground, creating a Satanic panic. His reports included butchered infants, breeding of babies for later sacrifice during Satanic rituals, ritual sexual abuse of children, mutilation of infants, drinking of blood, dismembered corpses, cannibal cults and sex orgies. There were "gruesome rituals," and "gruesome memories," and "gruesome allegations," and "brutally violent, horrible crimes," and acts "so incredibly outrageous, so incredibly unbelievable," that he was reluctant to describe them. "The most gruesome scenes are left out," said Rivera, "Estimates are that there are over 1 million Satanists in this country...The majority of them are linked in a highly organized, very secretive network. From small towns to large cities, they have attracted police and FBI attention to their Satanic ritual child abuse, child pornography and grisly Satanic murders. The odds are that this is happening in your town."

Laci’s hometown has a satanic group called, "The Order of the Lion" where it was last reported to have 20 to 30 members. Near the time of Laci’s kidnapping, a brown van "adorned with satanic symbols" was sited near the Peterson home and some witnesses "recalled a group of suspicious men, one sporting a 666 tattoo, in the area."

In relation to "The Order of the Lion’s" previous crimes, Modesto attorney William Arthur Miller said he recalled a member saying that the "sacrifice of a newborn baby was the 'cleaningest' thing you could do. I took that to mean to 'most cleansing,'" Miller said. A review of some of the writings revealed references to altars, witchcraft, blood-letting curses, dining with the dead, pentagrams, demons, goats, visions, secret oaths and "the father of darkness."

On the eastern edge of the San Francisco Bay near where the bodies of Laci and Connor washed up, huge paintings on sheets of plywood depict scenes of fire-breathing devils and ax-wielding grim reapers. One painting shows a man and woman in a canoe, with what appears to be three floating babies nearby, intertwined with an umbilical cord.

San Diego therapist Mary Battles said she remains convinced that ritual killings and abuse go on throughout the country. "Where you'll find the evidence is in the men and women who went through it and have scars on their bodies," said Battles. She said she has treated 50 people who were victims of satanic cults and, "I still get a steady stream of them."

Anyone who has studied satanism knows there is a fascination with the innocence of infants. I knew a woman who witnessed her younger brother dangling from his feet being tortured to death. She was in long term therapy and had a difficult time dealing with life after growing up in a Satanist family. San Francisco, where Laci and Conner washed up, has an exploding populace of Satanists and is the founding home of the Church of Satan.

Missing and abducted women and children are far more prevalent than realized. According to 2003 government statistics, in California alone, 10,684 adults have gone missing, never recovered. Another 346 missing are ominously listed as "deceased." 4,815 children have gone missing under "Unknown Circumstances" - when circumstances surrounding the disappearance are unknown. 545 children disappeared under suspicious circumstances that may indicate a stranger abduction, and in 51 cases the stranger abduction was witnessed. Nationwide 58,200 children were abducted by nonfamily members.

Scott Peterson is clearly a first-class heel but I believe the witch-hunt upon him is exactly that, a lynch-mob inspired by witches out to avert the attention on the growing satanist population and the rituals that DO happen. How hard would it be for a murderer to dig up the bodies and dump them where everyone was looking for them, to convict Peterson? I also wonder what has motivated Rivera, who previously apologized to satanists for his coverage of them, to lead the witch hunt, with Rita Cosby salivating at his side. When Laci first disappeared, they trashed Scott for not speaking to the media. When he DID speak to the media, they endlessly dissected and speculated about everything he said. When he stopped speaking to the media, Cosby went into a froth insisting he had something to hide. If I was Scott Peterson, I would have hid from the media as well, especially Cosby and Rivera, who even resorted to name-calling.

Though Fox News is my favorite news source, there are serious moments of doubt that I’m sure every conservative has experienced. This shark frenzy screaming for the death and torment of Peterson is macabre. I hope every married man thinks twice about cheating on their wives. You never know where you might wind up for talking trash to your girlfriend, perhaps in a jail cell on death row next to Peterson with the nation screaming for your execution. It’s as frightening a scene as Fatal Attraction with a twist, the adorable wife didn’t survive. Glenn Close played the blonde hussy desperate for attention. Sound familiar?
http://www.blessedcause.org/protest/scott%20peterson.htm

thirdwave
18-07-2008, 03:30 PM
Keep em coming soulja.. I find your posts (& ES's) very interesting.

www.google.com

eternal_spirit
18-07-2008, 08:11 PM
www.google.com (http://www.google.com)

try it sometime it's the biggest Library on the planet

Or you could try this gives different search results
http://clusty.com/

soulja
19-07-2008, 02:11 PM
lot's of cases on this site
http://www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com/humansacrifices.htm

Cases of Satanic sacrifices (human sacrifices) from around the world

The purpose for this web page is to show clearly the extent of human sacrifice around the world!

Contrary to the opinions of police depts in the USA, the UK and Belgium, as examples, human sacrifice in a satanic ritual is no myth! Neither is Satanic Ritual Abuse!

Here are documented cases of murders, which bear all the hallmarks of Satanic sacrifice!

Here is evidence of convictions for satanic murder in the judicial courts of various countries , including Germany , South Africa and even in the USA where the FBI and CIA still claim , inexplicably, that there is no evidence that satanic murder is a reality!

thirdwave
22-07-2008, 09:22 PM
try it sometime it's the biggest Library on the planet

Or you could try this gives different search results
http://clusty.com/

and you can find anything you wana find.

for the record... its quite a known thing that movements that call them selves satanic are around and sickening acts are committed.... there are lots of horrible things you can find on google as well....

animal abuse.... child abuse... war... murder... rape.... from all different types of movements and people.... crazy world hu!


*edit for grammar mistake*

eternal_spirit
22-07-2008, 11:06 PM
Good posts soulja the evidence, proof and reality of these murders is adding up.

soulja
01-08-2008, 03:36 AM
from the Biggest Secret Chapter 15:

The demon worshippers of Bel/Baal/Nimrod in Canaan, Babylon and Phoenicia engaged in human sacrifice, cannibalism, and child murder in the name of Moloch or Molech, an aspect of Nimrod/Baal, as part of their religious rituals.8 Baal (lord or ruler), the supreme god of the Canaanites and Phoenicians, was said to be the giver of life and Moloch was the destroyer of life. Both demanded appeasement by sacrifice. Baal or Moloch became identified with the Roman god Saturn.


In honor of Baal, the Sun god and god of fire, the Carthaginians, following the rituals of the Phoenicians and Canaanites, rolled children into a fiery pit made in the shape of the image of Baal/Moloch. At a site near modern Tunis six thousand urns were found containing the charred remains of infants. Remember, these rituals and ‘gods’ are the same as those performed and worshipped by the Satanists and the Brotherhood today.


This is why the children of Waco were allowed to burn to death in an inferno caused entirely by the Satanist controlled FBI and the ATF, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, on April 19th 1993. These were the same deeply sick people who blew up the James P. Murrah building in Oklahoma on April 19th 1995, in which so many children died.



April 19th is a Satanic ritual day relating to fire - the fire god, Baal or Moloch. And what does Moloch demand? The sacrifice of children. Waco and Oklahoma were child sacrifices to Baal/Moloch according to exactly the same belief system as those performed by the ancient fiffits.



In the same way, a war to these people is a mass blood ritual in which unimaginable numbers are killed and maimed, and the planet is engulfed by negative emotional energy. It is this energy on which many of the lower fourth dimensional reptilians either feed or use to manifest in this dimension. If you want undeniable proof that the Branch Davidians and their children were sacrificed at Waco, I strongly recommend you watch the video: Waco: The Rules Of Engagement.9 You will never believe an official statement again.



The ritual names for the ‘demons’ are still the same today as those used in the ancient world and by later groups like the Templars. Confirmation of this comes from a stream of accounts by modern victims of Satanism. A friend of mine, the British therapist, Vera Diamond, has been working for nearly 20 years with people who have been subjected to Satanic and mind control abuse. She says:

“Children say the word Satan is used more frequently than any other, but other demons include Baphomet and Behemoth. Molech (Moloch) seems to be one particularly associated with eating babies, and one called Choronzon. These do seem to be particularly involved with sacrificing babies.”10

Choronzon relates to Chronos, the Greek version of Nimrod. According to Greek legend, Chronos swallowed his children as fast as they were born because he feared they would overthrow him. Chronos was the most powerful of the Titans, the Greek name for the giants who resulted from the interbreeding of the reptilians with the human, ‘daughters of men’. Greek myth symbolically referred to them as children of the union between heaven (extraterrestrials) and Earth (humans).



Chronos was the father of Zeus who survived because his mother hid him from her child-killing husband. Zeus later waged a victorious war against his father and other Titans and then ruled as the King of Gods over a dynasty awash with child sacrifice. As you connect the different peoples across the generations, so you find the same themes of human sacrifice. The Cannanite-Hebrews were seriously into the sacrifice of humans and animals, much as their spin doctors have tried to deny it over the years.



The Satanists among the ‘Jewish’ hierarchy today still perform the same rituals while the mass of the Jewish people worldwide have no idea that this is so. Stories throughout the centuries to the present day of the sacrifice of children by Jewish fanatics at the time of the Passover can be seen to have an historical basis when you realize the true meaning of the Passover.



It had nothing to do with ‘God ’ passing over the homes of Israelite children and killing only the first born Egyptians. This is more symbolism that only an initiate or a determined researcher would understand. Records from the 8th and 7th centuries BC, show that the Israelites burned their sons on sacrificial fires in the Valley of Gehinnon outside Jerusalem.11 The infants were said to have been “passed over” or “passed through” the fire in sacrifice to Moloch-Baal.



In the Book of Leviticus we find the line: “Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Moloch”. The prophet Jeremiah talks of the people: “burning their sons in the fire as burnt offerings unto Baal” and also in the Book of Jeremiah we are told that:

“They have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the Valley of Hinnon, to burn their sons and daughters in the fire...”

John Milton also wrote of Moloch in his Paradise Lost:

“First Moloch, horrid king, besmirched with blood,
Of human sacrifice, and parent’s tears,
Though, for the noise of drums and timbrels loud,
Their children’s cries unheard, that passed through fire,
To his grim idol.”

The Old Testament abounds with stories of animal and human sacrifice. The same symbolism can be seen in a stream of ancient texts about the sacrifice of the first born or young children. The Jesus story includes this theme also, of course. At it’s most extreme, the Jewish dogma is deeply sacrificial. Their temples were slaughterhouses with a constant supply of animals taken there for ritual murder and sacrifice.



Look at the Jewish form of killing animals to this today. Meat is only considered ‘kosher’ if the animal has its throat cut and dies by being bled dry. The same with the ‘halal ’ meat of the Muslims. Through the Brotherhood bloodlines the ancient rituals have been strictly maintained and the ruling Elite today are sacrificing children and drinking blood the same as they did in the ancient world


A male child was offered every Friday evening at the temple of Shiva at Tanjor until the practice was stopped (officially) in the mid-nineteenth century. The Thugs, one of the ancient secret societies in the Brotherhood network, murdered their victims according to elaborate rituals dedicated to Kali, who is depicted wearing a garland of skulls.


Children or so-called ‘young virgins’ are used in these sacrificial rituals because the Satanists want to access the pure pre-pubescent energy for their own purposes. I have been told by Satanists, many of their victims, and by therapists working with victims, the same stories of ‘regeneration rituals’. The ageing Satanist, sometimes a high ranking member of the Brotherhood, stands in the centre of a circle of babies or young children. As they are sacrificed the ritual allows the Satanist to absorb their life-essence, their life-force, and regenerate his or her body.


The world’s most famous Satanist, Aleister Crowley, who had connections to both Winston Churchill and the Nazis, advocated human sacrifice and admitted to sacrificing children.


In his 1929 book, Magick In Theory And Practice, he explains the reasons for ritual death and why small boys are the best victims:

“It was the theory of the ancient magicians that any living being is a storehouse of energy varying in quantity according to the size and health of the animal, and in quality according to its mental and moral character. At the death of this animal this energy is liberated suddenly. For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim.”12

Crowley adds in a footnote that according to the records of the Satanist, Frater Perurabo, he performed just such a sacrifice 150 times every year between 1912 and 1928. Think about that. It means that this one man ritually sacrificed almost 2,500 young boys in that period alone.



Do you still wonder what happens to many of the millions, yes millions, of children who go missing every year all over the world never to be heard of again? And that’s without all of those bred for sacrifice that the public knows nothing about. We can begin to see that the estimates of ritual sacrifices every year are no exaggeration.



Satanism at its core is about the manipulation and theft of another person’s energy and consciousness. In olden times they called it “soul snatching”. It may appear to be merely a sickening perversion, but those who truly understand the background to the rituals know that what really matters is the effect of the rituals, not so much the rituals themselves. They are the means to an end - stealing or manipulating energy. Sex is so common in Satanic ritual because at the moment of orgasm, the body explodes with energy which the Satanists can capture and absorb.

So there are particular Satanic days for their most important ceremonies. On these days unimaginable numbers of people, mostly children, are sacrificed. Some of the main dates are:

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Feb 1/2, Candlemas
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March 21/22, spring equinox
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April 30th/May 1st, Walpurgis Night/Beltane
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June 21/22, summer solstice
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July 31/August 1, Lammas Great Sabbat festival
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September 21/22, autumn equinox
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October 31 st/November 1st, Samhain/Halloween
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December 21/22, winter solstice or Yule

Let me emphasize again here that these dates and festivals are not Satanic in themselves. They are times in the annual planetary cycle when very powerful energies of various kinds are manifesting on the Earth and the rituals and ceremonies of both a positive and negative nature are performed on these dates. The cycle produces the energy and the Satanists simply harness that energy for their own purposes, just as the positive rituals do, like those performed by most modern Druids.



Other dates for widespread Satanic ritual include every full Moon because the reflected energy of the Sun is at its most powerful on those occasions. Note also the significance to Satanists of May 1st, the day the Bavarian Illuminati was formed in 1776 and the day of celebration in the Brotherhood-created Communist and Socialist calendar.


The Key of Solomon is a book of occult magic which legend claims was written by ‘King Solomon’ himself. It includes the pentagram in its instructions of how to invoke demons and make sacrifices to demons. Such ancient works provide the foundations for the same rituals in each generation. The inner core of the Knights Templar was involved in black magic ritual and the Templars were accused of what today we call Satanism and of rejecting Christianity by denying Christ and spitting on the cross.



They were said to worship a demon power called Baphomet, a black magic symbol, also known as the Goat of Mendes. Capricorn (the goat, also symbolized by the unicorn) is the sign of the initiate and it represents political power, while Leo (the Sun, the lion) represents royal power.


Hence the lion is the King of the Jungle and is the main symbol on the flag of the British royal family. The planet Saturn rules Capricorn while the Sun rules Leo and Satanists and black magicians are very much focused on the Sun and Saturn in their rituals. The Saturn vibration has a much bigger impact on the Earth than is recognized. In astrology it is the planet of law and authority. Capricorn, the sign of authority, is also, according to astrologers, the astrological sign of England, that centre of global control.



The name, Baphomet, is reckoned to derive from Greek words meaning baptism of wisdom or knowledge (initiation) and Dr Hugh Schonfield, one of the experts on the Dead Sea Scrolls, says that using the code of the Essenes, the word Baphomet can be translated to ‘Sophia’, the goddess of the Gnostics, and the Greek word for wisdom.13 Sophia is another name for the female energy. Schonfield is sure there is a link between the Templars and the Essenes and so am I.



He has demonstrated that the Templars used the same code, the Atbash Cipher, employed in some of the Dead Sea Scrolls.14 Other accusations against the Templars were of killing children and teaching women how to abort.15 It is true that most of these confessions were made under extreme torture by the Roman Church Satanists, the Inquisition. But not all of these reports were gleaned in this way and the themes are so strong, and the story so consistent, that it would be ridiculous just to dismiss them all. And one thing is quite provable.



These very ceremonies involving the ritual murder of children, and the use of women called breeders to produce babies and aborted foetuses for sacrifice to a demon ‘god’, are most certainly performed today and this Satanic structure of abuse and ritual murder is controlled by the very secret society network the Templars helped to expand. The testimony of one Templar, Squin de Flexian, said they all had to swear never to leave the Order and to further its interests by any means, right or wrong. No crime committed for the honour or benefit of the Order was considered to be sinful. He also made allegations about sacrificing babies and aborting foetuses.16

It is the same with the inner circles of the Freemasons. Credo Mutwa, the Zulu shaman, told me that compared with the Freemason rituals he had seen in the United States and the United Kingdom, the voodoo and black magic of Africa was put in the shade. The secret password of Freemasonry is Tubal Cain, a descendant of the biblical Cain, who was an Anunnaki crossbreed. Tubal Cain’s sister, Naamah,17 is said to have been the one who brought human sacrifice and cannibalism into the world.

Tubal Cain is known as the father of witchcraft and sorcery and thus his name is a Freemasonic password.19 The ‘G’ on the symbol of Freemasonry stands for Gnosticism (knowledge, knowing) and for generation, the fertility rites of the sex cults of ancient Baal and Ashtoreth.20 No doubt it is also a symbol connected to generation and genetics, as in the reptilian bloodlines. You see the ‘G’ in the logo of the Gannett chain which has been buying up newspapers and television stations across the United States and publishes the national daily, USA Today

The de Medici bloodline of the Black Nobility in Venice, who funded Christopher Columbus, included Catherine de Medici, the Queen of France, who was reported to have commissioned human sacrifice in a Black Mass in the 16th century. A young boy was sacrificed and the blood used in a communion designed to save her dying son, Philip Medici wore around her neck a talisman with the name of the Satanic demon, Asmodei

Benjamin Franklin, a so-called pillar of the Christian Church and Founding Father of the United States, was a member of the Satanic Hellfire Club and the bodies of six children and four adults have been found under his former home in London dated to the time he lived there. Adolph Hitler and the Nazis were Satanists and so were their ‘opponents’ like Winston Churchill and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.



The Rothschilds, formerly the infamous German occult family, the Bauers, apparently use the Canaanite Satanic rituals while some of the bloodline families with long connections to the Celtic lands, like the St Clair-Sinclairs, prefer the Druid system. It was the Satanic deity, Ashtoreth, which inspired the name, Astor, one of the bloodline families which has been heavily involved in Satanism.


The Astors have close connections to the British royal family and they were at the heart of the Profumo scandal in 1963 when the British Defence Minister, John Profumo, was forced to resign after lying to the House of Commons about his involvement with Christine Keeler, a call girl who was also having a sexual relationship with a Russian KGB agent. The Profumo-Keeler liaison was arranged by Stephen Ward, a sado-masochist and black magician, who lived in a house on the Astor estate at Clivedon in Berkshire.


There was much more to this than was allowed to come out and if it ever does it will once again shine a light on some very dark practices and connect with the highest echelons of British society, including the Windsors. Prince Philip knew Stephen Ward and Lord Mountbatten was a guest at the infamous ‘swimming party’ at Cliveden which played a major role in Profumo’s downfall.


What is called Satanism is the ruling hierarchy of the Brotherhood pyramid under the command of the reptilians. Like all the other parts of the network, it is strictly compartmentalized. The highest levels of the Satanic network lock into the highest levels of the Brotherhood, but the lower degrees are not allowed to know the true nature of the organizations they are involved in. Some of the levels of Satanism are known as

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the Sisters of Light
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the Five Star Generals
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Master Counsellors
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Keeper of the Books
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Keeper of the Seals
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there is one position called an Asmodeus

One of the global centres of Satanism is the Castle of Darkness, the Chateau des Amerois or Castle of Kings, in Belgium, near the appropriately named village of Muno Bel. The castle is close to the French border and some 20 kilometres from Luxemburg. It is protected from view by thick forests and guards keep out the curious. In the grounds is a cathedral with a dome containing 1,000 lights.


When President George Bush talked of 1,000 points of light, he was speaking in code about this place of initiation for the highest initiates of the Satanic pyramid. In this Satanic cathedral is the throne of the high priestess of the upper hierarchy, a position known as the Queen Mother.

Every day, apparently, a child is sacrificed in the basement. Ceremonies are performed here to the Satanic ‘goddess’ known as Lilith, a demon in the Hebrew Cabala. In ancient Sumer the reptilian bloodline, as passed on through the female, was symbolised as a lily and the main gene carriers were given names like Lilith, Lili, Lilutu and Lillette. Elizabeth is a derivative of this. Another demon used by some ‘Mothers’ is called Bilair, Bilar, and Bilid, cabalistic names for the force others call Satan, etc


It is from these lands in Belgium and northern France that the bloodline families came, including the Bruces, to take over Scotland all those centuries ago. Belgium, this little country between France and the Netherlands, is also the home of the European Union, NATO, and, I am told, a massive computer centre where databases on all the people of the world are being compiled. It is known apparently as ‘the Beast’ and there are a number of these around the world. An Elite mind control operation called the Janus Group is also based in the NATO headquarters.



Nimrod was Eannus, the god with two faces, who was later known to the Romans as Janus. The reason that Belgium is a headquarters for Satanism and so many Brotherhood institutions is very simple. The Brotherhood created Belgium for just this reason in 1831 and they imposed upon it a ‘royal’ line, the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, the bloodline of the British royal family and, through its branch in Prussia, the supporters of Adam Weishaupt, the founder of the Bavarian Illuminati.

The paedophile murder ring which came to light in Belgium in 1996 is but one part of the Satanic network operating from and in that country. It was organized by Marc Dutroux, who is connected to the Satanic Order of Abrasax, based in the village of Forchies-la-Marche near Charleroi in southern Belgium, not far from the Castle of Darkness. Abrasax is Abraxas, a fat-bellied demon from whom, it is likely, the magicians term, abracadabra, originated.



Dutroux buried alive an accomplice, Bernard Weinstein, and among Weinstein’s effects was a letter from the Abrasax group signed by someone describing himself as the Egyptian god, Anubis. It ordered him to provide ‘presents’ for the High Priestess of the Order and apparently gave specific details of the age and sex the victims must be. The British Sunday Times reported the accounts of witnesses describing Black Masses in which children were killed in front of audiences which included prominent members of Belgian society.

A Belgian newspaper reported that a former commissioner of the European Union was among a group of judges, senior politicians, lawyers, and policemen, who attended orgies at a Belgian chateau organized by Michel Nihoul, one of the accomplices of Marc Dutroux, the alleged leader of the paedophile ring. One investigator said it was “Like going back to the Middle Ages”

In fact there has not been an old, middle, and modern age with regard to these rituals. It is a seamless flow over thousands of years under the control of the same bloodlines. Human skulls were found at the sacrificial sites identified by witnesses, particularly at the sect’s headquarters. The Satanic group behind the Belgian murders is said to interconnect with similar rings in Holland, Germany, and America.

In truth, it will be part of the global network which operates in all countries. Satanism is run like a transnational corporation.


Black magic rituals are going on all over the world and I have spoken with victims in country after country. In England I met a brave woman, then aged 40. The story she told me of her experiences mirrored those of so many others. She was born in Darlington in the 1950s, and soon after she was sold by her Satanic father to two other Satanists.



She knew them only as Thomas and Helena. She was brought up in the most horrific circumstances at a children’s home in Hull which was run by two child abusers. At night a torchlight was shone into their bedrooms and when it was held on a child for a minute or so, they knew it was their turn to go downstairs and be sexually abused.



During holidays back in Darlington, from the age of just seven and eight, she met her father who linked her with the two Satanists, Thomas and Helena. She would be given drugs via orange juice and ice cream and be taken at night in a van to country churches in the Darlington area. The drugs were designed to make her easier to mind control and to prevent her from remembering what she saw. I will explain more about this in the next chapter. However, as is often the case when people enter their 30s and 40s, the victims can begin to have flashbacks of their ordeals.



They experience them again like watching a movie screen. It is for this reason that so many are murdered before they reach that age, often for ‘snuff’ videos, which show in graphic detail a person being murdered. Others are subjected to the snatch back when they are abducted to undergo ‘booster’ mind-programming to keep the memories secret.



Increasing numbers of people who survived their horrendous young lives, are now beginning to remember and they are telling the same basic tale. If you are one of them, please contact me if you have anything to add to what I outline here. An address is at the back of the book. Within days of speaking to me, my informant says she was grabbed off the street and bungled into a van by six Satanists.


A syringe was held to her throat and she was warned to stop talking to “That dangerous prat, Icke” and to stop naming names. They threatened her life and those of her children if she continued. She was also told that if she didn’t keep quiet, the family dog would be taken and “Posted back to you in pieces”. Nice people.


In the ordeals at the country churches which she now remembers, my English informant and other children would be used in Satanic rituals involving sex, torture, and murder. The windows of the church were covered over with black drapes and the inside was laid out according to Satanic law with different colours used for different ceremonies depending on the time of year. Sometimes they would use the churches in secret, but don’t underestimate how many people in the Christian clergy are also members of the Satanic network.



The Satanists, she remembers, were dressed in robes and a number wore masks, including the face of a goat or Baphomet, the deity the Templars were accused of worshipping. In the UK, as in America, some of the best known names in the country are involved. She remembers vividly (God, the thought of it), being laid on her back on the floor of a church as a screaming boy, no more than six, was being held by the hair above her while a man, who she would later identify as a top politician in Northern Ireland, had anal sex with him.



When it was over, a knife was produced to cut the boy’s throat and the blood poured over her. “I remember this man’s eyes,” she told me. “The coldness of his eyes I will never forget.” He prefers boys to girls, she said.


On more than one occasion, she says, she was brutally raped by a man who has been a major name in United Kingdom politics for decades. This man, she says, used to hold her naked body to him by using hooks inserted into her flesh at the hip. She was just a little girl when this was happening. She told me that this man was Edward Heath and his name comes up again and again in interviews with victims of Satanic abuse in Britain.


Another famous paedophile and Satanist in Britain is Lord McAlpine, the former treasurer of Heath’s Conservative Party, and executive of the McAlpine Construction empire. He also followed the late Jimmy Goldsmith as head of the Referendum Party in Britain which was created to hijack the groups opposing the European Union and lead them to glorious failure. McAlpine, who is heavily involved in a network of Brotherhood secret societies, including the Freemasons, has been publicly named as a paedophile by the investigative magazine, Scallywag.35



He was accused of having oral sex with an underage boy in 1965 and was formerly cautioned by Strathclyde Police for sexual offences against a minor. McAlpine was also named by one of the former residents at the Bryn Alyn Children’s Home in North Wales who said he was forced to have oral sex with him. The McAlpine family is one of the Elite bloodlines of Scotland, possibly connecting with the ancient Scottish king, Kenneth McAlpin.


The McAlpine family has a long history of Satanism in its ranks, as does the Scottish Keswick family. Both are part of a web which operates across the world into the Far East and Australia. A close friend of the McAlpines is Willie Whitelaw, a chairman of the Conservative Party. He was also Deputy Prime Minister to Margaret Thatcher, who was ‘minded’ by Whitelaw, the McAlpines, and Sir Geoffrey Howe, during her years as Prime Minister.


When she had outlived her usefulness to the Brotherhood, it was Howe who made the speech in the House of Commons which effectively ended her reign. Whitelaw was named as a leading Satanist by self-confessed Satanist, Derry Mainwaring-Knight, at Maidstone Crown Court in 1986. As usual, nothing was done about it.


Mainwaring-Knight lived near East Grinstead, one of the centres of Satanism in England. In Scotland, a foremost Satanic centre is Loch Ness, near Inverness, the home, according to the legend, of the famous reptile, the Loch Ness monster. So what could these legends really be symbolic of? Aleister Crowley, the best known Satanist of the 20th century, had a house at Loch Ness and it was to this area that he came to perform some of his most powerful black magic rituals.

A rock formation near the loch called the Rock of Curses has been used by black magicians for hundreds of years and Crowley was particularly drawn to the energy emanating from a nearby mountain known as Mealfuorvonie.

Over and over I have been told by survivors of how they were abused or programmed at the stately homes of the aristocracy or in rooms under the British Museum and other official buildings in London. Names of Conservative government ministers keep recurring in survivor’s accounts. Another paedophile is the former Leicester member of Parliament, Greville Janner, a vociferous campaigner for Jewish causes in Britain.



A notorious location for paedophile activities is an apartment block called Dolphin Square in Pimlico, the biggest block of flats in Europe and the London residence of many members of Parliament. The building has been under surveillance by the British Customs after the discovery of pornographic material from Amsterdam. One resident was quoted as saying:

“We often have underage boys wandering in the corridors totally lost, asking for the flat of a particular MP.”

Pimlico has been nicknamed ‘Pimp-lico’ because of the widespread use of boy prostitutes known as rent boys. The Dolphin Square resident, David Steel, the Scottish former leader of the Liberal Democrats, has actively supported campaigns for ‘gay rights’ by Ian Campbell Dunn, a planning officer at Edinburgh District Council. But Mr Campbell wants rather more than just ‘gay rights’. He is a founding member of the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE), which wants to legalise sex with children.39



Should Mr Steel be supporting such a character? The former cabinet ministers, Michael Portillo and Peter Lilley, are apparently regular diners at the restaurant in Dolphin Square along with many famous political figures. I wonder what the attraction can be? Must be the food. Yes, definitely the food.

People think that ritual abuse and sacrifice, if it exists at all, is rare. Like hell it is. Human sacrifice and ritual abuse is rampant. Look at the Satanic child abuse and murder network exposed in Belgium which involves the police, judges, and top politicians. The same is coming to light in North Wales and other areas of the UK.



The lack of interest by the media is stunning, if not surprising. Ted Gunderson, a man of 28 years experience with the FBI, told a mind control conference in the United States that after long and detailed research, he estimates there are 3.75 million practicing Satanists in the US and between 50 and 60,000 human sacrifices a year. Therapists at the conference said that their clients had pointed to a massive Satanic grave site in open land outside Lancaster, California.40 Another exists, apparently, at Matamoros, Mexico. The Satanic ritual network connects into the children’s homes, care centers, and runaway hostels to ensure a constant supply of children. Please tell me what you know

What the victims have told me would be almost unbelievable were it not coming from so many different, unconnected sources and were not the stories across the world not telling the same basic tale, even down to the details of the rituals and the mind programming techniques. The children, and the traumatized adults they become, have nowhere to turn.



Their stories are so astonishing that few believe them and they are frightened of going to the police because they know that the Satanic network includes top police officers, judges, civil servants, media people, politicians, and many others who control our ‘free’ society. Questions like “Who are you going to tell?” and “Where are you going to run?” are used to break their spirit. Their sense of hopelessness makes them think there is nothing they can do to seek justice, so they give up and stop trying.


The vast majority of Freemasons are not Satanists or child abusers, but there is a far greater ratio of them in secret societies like the Masons, than outside. How can you have confidence in justice therefore when, for instance, the Manor of St James’s Freemasonry Lodge, No 9179, consists of the leading operational police officers from all the major units of London’s Metropolitan Police, including the Anti-Terrorist Squad, Fraud Squad, and the Complaints Investigations Branch which is supposed to investigate allegations of police wrong-doing!



The St James’s Lodge further includes senior figures from the Home Office, judiciary, and the Directorate of Public Prosecutions, which decides if a person will or will not be prosecuted. The whole system of investigation, prosecution, and trial, or the suppression of them, can be achieved by members of this one lodge working together. What chance has a child got against that?


Also, as many of the victims have said, they themselves are drugged and programmed to take part in the ritual murder and torture of other children. This is videoed and played back to them when they are in a conscious state. They are so horrified at what they have done and so terrified of the consequences that they dare not speak to the authorities. Other techniques to prevent exposure include abusing children while wearing a Mickey Mouse face or a Devil’s head.



When little children say they were abused by Mickey Mouse or the Devil it makes them even less likely to be believed. One woman who contacted me said that her father sexually abused her while wearing a Devil’s head and it was a long time before she realized that her father was responsible. The stories of the people I have talked to, and the accounts of others I have read, tell of events that are beyond comprehension or, at least, they would be if they were not actually happening.



Drinking blood, eating the flesh of dead bodies, thousands of adults and children buried in deep graves, the murder of people on camera for the so-called ‘snuff’ videos, the story is just appalling. One mother told a television documentary in the Dispatches series on Channel Four in the UK, of how she was forced to place her new-born baby on a Satanic altar and push a knife through its heart. A Satanist then had sex with the dead body. This is happening in your country NOW!


Many of the victims are born into Satanic families and others are bred for sacrifice through the use of breeders: women kept in captivity to give birth to one child after another which are never formerly registered and so, according to official records, they don’t exist. You can’t murder someone who doesn’t exist and so these children and foetuses are sacrificed without anyone outside the circle knowing the children have even been born.



The Ku Klux Klan, the Aryan master race fanatics created by the Freemason Satanist, Albert Pike, are one of the endless groups who keep women under lock and key for this purpose.41 These groups have their own midwives who supervise the births and they are also born in hospitals under the supervision of staff loyal to the Brotherhood and their Satanic ritual offshoots.42



Other children from non-Satanic families are taken away at birth and the parents are told their child has died when in fact they are taken away to be sacrificed or to be used in the mind control projects I will discuss in the next chapter. Low income parents, and those addicted to drugs, are at the mercy of the Freemasons and Satanists operating among the social services hierarchy and judges.



Their children are often taken away from them for Satanic ritual or mind control projects. So called ‘crack’ babies are apparently sought after for mind control operations, as are twins. I know of twins who were crack babies in Denver, Colorado, a major Satanic centre. They were first taken from their parents and given to foster parents. Later they were taken from the foster parents by Denver Social Services after the husband was murdered in very strange circumstances and they were given to a single woman who had turned up out of nowhere after the murder and offered to be a nanny to the children.



The Satanic ring centred in Denver connects into Boulder, Colorado and this was where the child beauty queen, JonBenet Ramsey, was found murdered in her parents home in very mysterious and unexplained circumstances in December 1996. The American coroner and investigator, Dr Cyril Wecht, says that the evidence proves that her death happened during sexual abuse by her parents, John and Patsy Ramsey.43



JonBenet was murdered on Christmas Eve and Josef Mengele created a sacrificial ritual for this date called “The Last Bulb on the Christmas Tree”. Mengele’s pseudonym, Greenbaum, means green tree and relates to the Cabalistic Tree of Life. A Brotherhood term for the Devil is JonBet and the coincidence is so amazing that, given the other circumstances, I cannot believe that this was not the true inspiration for her name.


A research project into ritual abuse at the University of Colorado at Boulder found that,

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all of those questioned had been subjected to intercourse or molestation
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97% saw or took part in animal sacrifice
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97% forced to take part in sex with adults
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97% experienced torture
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94% were sodomised
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88% were forced to watch or take part in human sacrifice
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88% in cannibalism

A long, long list of child and other murders across the world are the work of Satanic groups, including, I would strongly contend, the still unexplained murder of 13-year-old Genette Tate near Exeter in Devon in 1978. Her body has never been found. I have met with people who have been investigating this case for many years and the evidence is overwhelming that it involved a Satanic group which could well have included some leading personnel at the Devon and Cornwall police headquarters, a short distance from where Genette was last seen alive. Her father, John Tate, also has some significant questions to answer.

A manuscript exists of this evidence if there is a publisher out there who is interested in exposing the case. When skeptics ask how such widespread Satanism, abuse and murder can be covered up, they need to appreciate the sort of people who are involved in these rings. David Berkowitz, the serial killer in New York known as the Son of Sam, has written that he was part of a Satanic group which had orchestrated the murders.



In letters to a church minister, Berkowitz said:

“...this group contained a mixture of Satanic practices, including the teachings of Aleister Crowley and Eliphas Levi (another notorious Satanist). It was (and still is) totally blood orientated... The coven’s doctrines are a blend of ancient Druidism, teachings of the secret order of the Golden Dawn, black magick, and a host of other unlawful and obnoxious practices...


Satanists (genuine ones) are peculiar people. They aren’t ignorant peasants or semiliterate natives. Rather, their ranks are filled with doctors, lawyers, businessmen, and basically highly responsible citizens... They are not a careless group who are apt to make mistakes. But they are secretive and bonded together by a common need and desire to mete out havoc on society. It was Aleister Crowley who said: “I want blasphemy, murder, rape, revolution, anything bad.

In 1969, Charles Manson and his Satanic ‘Family’ murdered nine people, including the actress Sharon Tate. Manson operated in California in the Flower Power years when a group called the Process had a high profile in cities like San Francisco.



The Process emerged in Britain and then established branches in California and New York. The group celebrates Adolph Hitler and worships a Trinity of Jehovah, Lucifer, and Satan. In the British occult magazine, The Lamp Of Thoth, a writer by the name of Soror H, said of Charles Manson:

“(He) showed many of us what it is like to actually commit the crime we’d like to commit... Manson went astray where others like the Process succeeded. He got caught.”

Another serial killer, Henry Lee Lucas, who is said to have murdered 360 people, including his mother, claimed he was a member of the Hand of Death Satanic group. He said that murder was part of the initiation and he admitted to drinking the blood of some of his victims. The Hand of Death, he said, was involved in drug running and the kidnapping of children for slavery and sacrifice. When they were killed, the group would drink their blood and eat part of their body, Lucas said. Mutilated bodies were found in Mexico and Arizona which appeared to support his story.



Richard Ramirez, the serial killer known as the Knight Stalker, said he killed his thirteen victims in the name of Satan. Inverted pentagrams, the classic Satanic symbol, were found spray painted in the homes of several of his victims and he carved a pentagram on the thigh of an elderly woman.


The number of murders world-wide involving Satanic ritual is simply fantastic. While I was writing this book I heard from another researcher of the ritual murder of Alfred Kunz, a rebel Roman Catholic priest who performed exorcisms. He was found in March1998 in his rectory at Madison, Wisconsin, hanging upside down with his throat cut from ear to ear. His head had then been cut off and his blood taken away.


Such were the circumstances in the case that the FBI was called in to investigate. The assassinations of President Kennedy and Princess Diana were full of Satanic ritual, also, as I shall outline later. I hear the same themes of Satanic ritual, abuse and sacrifice in every country I visit and even on the Isle of Wight, the small island off the south coast of England where I have lived for many years, there is substantial Satanic activity. Britain’s biggest selling Sunday tabloid, The News Of The World, published the revelations of a community worker on the Isle of Wight who exposed the nature and extent of the abuse there.


She said that these Satanic sacrificers of children were pillars of the local community, owners of seaside hotels, business people, local government officers, and politicians. She described the breeding programmes on the island in which babies are bred for sacrifice and how it connected into the paedophile and drug smuggling rings, another common theme. Detective Chief Inspector Neil Kingman, who was heading the inquiry, said:

“I have met the community worker several times and interviewed other people regarding this matter. I have no reason to doubt what I am being told.”

There have been many famous cases in which ritual abuse has been alleged, but these have been successfully covered up by the political and judicial authorities and a compliant, uninformed, and slanted media. In the United States, the McMartin case in Los Angeles which came to light in 1983 was a prime example. It involved allegations by 369 children at the McMartin Day Care Centre that they had been sexually abused.


hey told of animals being slaughtered and other Satanic rituals. They described how they were buried, locked in the dark, and taken to different locations to be abused. These included a grocery store, a cemetery, a church, and a crematorium. The children said they were forced to drink blood and urine and they saw the eyes of a baby ripped out and its body incinerated. Others said that a rabbit was killed in front of them to show what would happen if they told their parents.



The case was under investigation for four years, on trial for two and a half years, involved 124 witnesses, 50,000 pages of transcript, and cost almost $23,000 a day. But in the end it fell apart and those responsible escaped with their freedom. Crucial to the children’s stories was their description of a network of secret tunnels under the building through which they said they were taken to be abused.



It was claimed at the trial that there was no evidence that these tunnels existed, but five months after the files were closed on the McMartin case and the official cover up completed, a team of trained investigators and excavators uncovered the tunnel system which connected to a vaulted room under the day care centre. They extended out to adjacent buildings where the children said they had been taken before they were driven to other locations.



In 1991, an independent archaeologist also confirmed the existence of the tunnels and an alarm system inside the centre. In other words, the children had been telling the truth. In Britain there have been, among many others, cases in Orkney, Nottingham, Rochdale and Cleveland. Each time the social workers trying to expose Satanic abuse have been subjected to a blitz of condemnation by the mainstream media with the Mail On Sunday particularly vehement in its opposition.



It went so far on one occasion as to describe the “spectre” of Satanism as “hysterical nonsense”. Such remarks are so at odds with worldwide evidence that they can only be the work of an uninformed idiot (quite possible) or someone who wishes the truth to remain uncovered. As a result of such imbalanced coverage and, of course, the staggering nature of the children’s evidence, most cases do not even come to trial and when they do very few lead to conviction.



The public would rather believe the allegations are not true because they want to believe such horrors are not happening. Unfortunately they are, on a vast scale, and if you go into denial about it because you don’t want to face the truth about your world, then you are helping to perpetuate this unspeakable treatment of children. As Caroline Lekiar of the National Association of Young People in Care, said:

“I can understand people finding it difficult to believe, it’s extraordinary, but yet, everything is showing that it is happening. Young kids are drawing pictures of the type of thing that don’t come on TV. I’ve been dealing with this for the last two years, I’ve come across many cases of ritualistic abuse and a lot of it happens all over the place; people have really got to wake up.”

Satanic ritual abuse is a global network, another pyramid of interconnecting groups, with the high and mighty of society among their numbers, top politicians, government officials, bankers, business leaders, lawyers, judges, doctors, coroners, publishers, editors and journalists. All the people you need, in fact, to carry out and cover up your rituals and crimes against humanity. It is not that researchers see Satanists everywhere. The ratio of them in leading positions is very high because that’s the way it is meant to be.

Satanic ritual abuse is a global network, another pyramid of interconnecting groups, with the high and mighty of society among their numbers, top politicians, government officials, bankers, business leaders, lawyers, judges, doctors, coroners, publishers, editors and journalists. All the people you need, in fact, to carry out and cover up your rituals and crimes against humanity. It is not that researchers see Satanists everywhere. The ratio of them in leading positions is very high because that’s the way it is meant to be.


The Satanic networks control the system and so they ensure that there is a far, far, higher ratio of Satanists in positions of power than there are in the general population. The higher you go up the pyramids, the more Satanists you find. Most of the non-Satanists are filtered out before they reach those levels. The result of all this for the children involved is beyond the imagination of anyone who has not experienced the level of trauma that they must suffer.

lizzy
01-08-2008, 05:07 AM
WHAT IS A SATANIST!!

blimey you spend all the time on here telling people who is one.. who is not one.... why its so bad.... WHAT IS IT?????

as soulja quotes from "the Biggest Secret"........

Satanic ritual abuse is a global network, another pyramid of interconnecting groups, with the high and mighty of society among their numbers, top politicians, government officials, bankers, business leaders, lawyers, judges, doctors, coroners, publishers, editors and journalists. All the people you need, in fact, to carry out and cover up your rituals and crimes against humanity. It is not that researchers see Satanists everywhere. The ratio of them in leading positions is very high because that’s the way it is meant to be.


The Satanic networks control the system and so they ensure that there is a far, far, higher ratio of Satanists in positions of power than there are in the general population. The higher you go up the pyramids, the more Satanists you find. Most of the non-Satanists are filtered out before they reach those levels. The result of all this for the children involved is beyond the imagination of anyone who has not experienced the level of trauma that they must suffer.

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can ES and soulja make THIS ANY CLEARER FOR YOU??????? or is that you just DON'T WANT to get it?

I for one have to admit I can only take this information in small doses ,.....but your the budding occultist , so KNOW what a Satantist is too ( admittedly you have already said you don't agree with everything Icke says, I would hazzard a guess that Chap.15 would be an example of your disagreement with Icke?)........

.....check out AGENDA 21 .......

soulja
01-08-2008, 01:05 PM
he'll never see the glaring obvious not even when pointed out by icke.

it's pretty dark inside Crowley's rearside ;)

btw i found this comment by Berkowitz interesting;

In letters to a church minister, Berkowitz said:

“...this group contained a mixture of Satanic practices, including the teachings of Aleister Crowley and Eliphas Levi (another notorious Satanist). It was (and still is) totally blood orientated... The coven’s doctrines are a blend of ancient Druidism, teachings of the secret order of the Golden Dawn, black magick, and a host of other unlawful and obnoxious practices...


Satanists (genuine ones) are peculiar people. They aren’t ignorant peasants or semiliterate natives. Rather, their ranks are filled with doctors, lawyers, businessmen, and basically highly responsible citizens... They are not a careless group who are apt to make mistakes. But they are secretive and bonded together by a common need and desire to mete out havoc on society. It was Aleister Crowley who said: “I want blasphemy, murder, rape, revolution, anything bad.

mariag
01-08-2008, 03:13 PM
some quotes : Ramirez
I am beyond your experience. I am beyond good and evil, Legions of the night--night breed--repeat not the errors of the Night Prowler and show no mercy. I will be avenged. Lucifer dwells within us all. That's it" --Richard Ramirez's statement before he received sentencing at his trial.

"I love to kill people. I love to watch them die. I would shoot them in the head and they would wiggle and squirm all over the place, and then just stop. Or I would cut them with a knife and watch their faces turn real white. I love all that blood."

"No big deal death always comes with the territory I'll see you in Disneyland"

"Hail Satan!" - What he would shout in court

He often mutalited bodies, and once left a pentagram drawn with lipstick at the crime scene. He thought that the power of Satan would protect him from being caught and would protect him from being harmed as well.

What is strange with this Ramirez dude is that he is convicted with 19 death sentences in 1989 but he is still on death row. And he has a lot of groupies , a lot of followers thinks he is adorable . He gives me the creeps not beacuse what he has done but beacuse he reminds me of my ex boyfriend. I watched a documentary about Ramirez yesterday and I was stunned. He smiled at teh camera after the trial and said that "death Goes with the Territory" " Se you in -disneyland".
This Ramirez is no ordinary SK He is spiritual and knows what he is doing .
His eyes are showing a confident and strong character , not a labil psycho .

mariag
02-08-2008, 11:19 AM
And the White House. This is an interesting. He talks about mass control and the White House, realities and other realities and how we know who we are .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=NJ8IoPaFQ0w

Hope I posted this video right

kasalt
11-08-2008, 06:03 PM
I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet:


Ohio priest guilty of nun's murder (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/05/11/ohio_priest_found_guilty_of_1980_murder_of_nun/)

"The Rev. Gerald Robinson...was found guilty on Thursday of the murder 26 years ago of a nun in a crime that prosecutors said had Satanic undertones and may have been covered up by church leaders."


Another priest guilty of satanic murders? (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/mayweb-only/121-51.0.html?start=2)

"Just days after an Ohio jury convicted a Toledo priest of a 1980 murder with strong satanic overtones comes this story from Australia: 'The Catholic Church has accepted as substantially true allegations that a Melbourne priest took part in satanic rituals in which a number of people were murdered.' The priest in that case, however, is now dead, so there will be no trial to prove the allegations."

eternal_spirit
19-08-2008, 12:31 AM
bump

jos08
19-08-2008, 12:49 AM
I wonder what kind of rituals they are doing in Iraq considering the importance of the place and the opportunity to sacrifice humans for their rituals...

thetonic
19-08-2008, 01:48 AM
I wonder what kind of rituals they are doing in Iraq considering the importance of the place and the opportunity to sacrifice humans for their rituals...

how about blowing entire villages to bits for a start?

jos08
19-08-2008, 01:58 AM
how about blowing entire villages to bits for a start?
true. they have done all kinds of stuff....

eternal_spirit
16-09-2008, 02:05 AM
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35895

Satan worshippers kill and eat four Russian teenagers after stabbing each of them 666 times

Will Stewart
UK Daily Mail
Monday, Sept 15, 2008

A gang of Satan worshippers has killed and eaten four Russian teenagers, police have revealed.

Three girls and one boy were each stabbed 666 times, dismembered and cooked on a bonfire in a revolting Satanist ritual in the Yaroslavl region, 300 miles north-east of Moscow.

Their limbs, hearts, scalps, breasts and genitals were cut off and were recovered in a pit along with the body of a small rodent crucified on an upside-down cross.

The number 666 is revered by Satanists who see it linked to the devil.

The victims, all described as goths, were aged between 16 and 17 and were allegedly forced to get drunk before the ritualistic murders.

Their killers then allegedly lit a bonfire under a tree near a cottage where they cooked and ate their victims’ body parts.

Anya Gorokhova, Olga Pukhova, Varya Kuzmina and Andrei Sorokin went missing from their homes in June and their bodies found only in the middle of August.

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