So Jesus is gone, NOW what?

[pennycat]

Hi. I'm a pain in the ass newbie here. I really could use some advice, suggestions, shared input. Feel free to send me a private message even.

I'm reading the Biggest Secret. Between it and other sources I'm now convinced that the story I have been brought up believing in is most likely a fairy tale. It's good to be in the know, I'm not complaining about that. However, the world is shit right now. Everywhere you look, people are just not in a very up mood. Gas prices are to the point here in California that it won't surprise me if I ask for $4.00 worth of gas and the clerk at Arco farts in a Glad baggy and hands it to me. We worry about a lot here. Plus I'm a mom, which makes me worry even more.

Back when I had my Santa Claus or Jesus Claus I believed that I could pray and that he would answer my prayers and to be honest, (something usually did grant me my wishes just to let you know). With the world we live in being somewhat fucked up right now, having a Jesus would sure help. Cause right now, finding out that the whole Christian story was as fictional as the Wizard of Oz (maybe more) is just the final topper. I sort of envy those who believe in religion still. However, if I really could believe in it, believe me I am the best at convincing myself before anyone else of something, this is just something I can no longer believe because its not in me to; but the truth is I miss it already.

I guess what I'm saying, is how do I replace my Jesus? It's an empty hole and I feel a little lost.

[bigus_dickus]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3031242705583524501

[lifeofbrian]

Hi. I'm a pain in the ass newbie here. I really could use some advice, suggestions, shared input. Feel free to send me a private message even.

I'm reading the Biggest Secret. Between it and other sources I'm now convinced that the story I have been brought up believing in is most likely a fairy tale. It's good to be in the know, I'm not complaining about that. However, the world is shit right now. Everywhere you look, people are just not in a very up mood. Gas prices are to the point here in California that it won't surprise me if I ask for $4.00 worth of gas and the clerk at Arco farts in a Glad baggy and hands it to me. We worry about a lot here. Plus I'm a mom, which makes me worry even more.

Back when I had my Santa Claus or Jesus Claus I believed that I could pray and that he would answer my prayers and to be honest, (something usually did grant me my wishes just to let you know). With the world we live in being somewhat fucked up right now, having a Jesus would sure help. Cause right now, finding out that the whole Christian story was as fictional as the Wizard of Oz (maybe more) is just the final topper. I sort of envy those who believe in religion still. However, if I really could believe in it, believe me I am the best at convincing myself before anyone else of something, this is just something I can no longer believe because its not in me to; but the truth is I miss it already.

I guess what I'm saying, is how do I replace my Jesus? It's an empty hole and I feel a little lost.

A lot of people who leave cults and sects go through an adjustment of their view of the world. The thing is, it doesn't have to be black or white. I mean, if praying to your own vision of Jesus makes you feel better, why give it up? To become aware of the phony political and social circus surrounding that Jesus which has made people follow flawed people who claim to have his telephone number, is like leaving a corrupt corporation. You can still keep your personal ideals.

The all-or-nothing demand is rubbish. Keep your Jesus, just beware of his followers. Some of them will exploit "him" for their own ends, no matter if they are people next door or the professional spin doctors. Faith is big business.

[mariag]

Hi. I'm a pain in the ass newbie here. I really could use some advice, suggestions, shared input. Feel free to send me a private message even.

I'm reading the Biggest Secret. Between it and other sources I'm now convinced that the story I have been brought up believing in is most likely a fairy tale. It's good to be in the know, I'm not complaining about that. However, the world is shit right now. Everywhere you look, people are just not in a very up mood. Gas prices are to the point here in California that it won't surprise me if I ask for $4.00 worth of gas and the clerk at Arco farts in a Glad baggy and hands it to me. We worry about a lot here. Plus I'm a mom, which makes me worry even more.

Back when I had my Santa Claus or Jesus Claus I believed that I could pray and that he would answer my prayers and to be honest, (something usually did grant me my wishes just to let you know). With the world we live in being somewhat fucked up right now, having a Jesus would sure help. Cause right now, finding out that the whole Christian story was as fictional as the Wizard of Oz (maybe more) is just the final topper. I sort of envy those who believe in religion still. However, if I really could believe in it, believe me I am the best at convincing myself before anyone else of something, this is just something I can no longer believe because its not in me to; but the truth is I miss it already.

I guess what I'm saying, is how do I replace my Jesus? It's an empty hole and I feel a little lost.

Hello and Welcome to DI forum . You don´t have to replace Jesus , the most amazing thing is That you are free to believe whatever you want to , or if you don´t want to believe anything , you don´t have to. You are a free spirit and don´t have to replace anything .
:) Blessed Be AnnA

[lifeofbrian]

pennycat, maybe this will cheer you up a bit, a funny tune :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMnnPI5GUps

Moses went up to the mountain high
To find out from God why did you make us why
Secret words in a secret room
He said a womp bop a lu bop a lop bam boom

I did not put you here to suffer
I did not put you here to whine
I put you here to love one another
And to get out and have a good time

Let my people go-go-go
Let my people go
Let my people go-go-go
Let my people go

Joshua fit de battle of Jerico
He tell the boys with the horns get down and blow
They rear back aim they bells at the stars
And said beat me big daddy eight to the bar

CHORUS

Jesus went out for a walk with his mother
The scribes and the pharisees plotting hugger-mugger
They locked him up and they threw away the key
He said why's everybody always picking on me?

CHORUS

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Hi Pennycat:

Examine these Counter-Points and make your own decision.


http://www.vimeo.com/410567/l:embed_410567

http://www.answeringinfidels.com/answering-skeptics/answering-acharya-s/a-refutation-of-archary-ss-book-the-christ-conspiracy-pt-1.html

http://www.answeringinfidels.com/answering-skeptics/answering-acharya-s/a-refutation-of-acharya-ss-book-the-christ-conspiracy-pt-2.html


http://www.youtube.com/v/AfsIEwI3LNA

http://www.youtube.com/v/H5Q0YPufofQ


http://www.youtube.com/v/Lf_3TFIGgMA


http://www.youtube.com/v/HCJaQtq-P5c

http://www.youtube.com/v/korsGXW4jLs


http://www.youtube.com/v/BJzmhwL6bW8



The 'Essence' of Yahshuas' Teaching is: Love Yahweh, Love your Neighbor


Kind Regards: Snoops

[intruder]

back when SOUL music was so much more powerful and eloquent, the late, GREAT, Marvin Gaye sang....

Love your mother, she bore you
Love your father, he works for you
Love your sister, she's good to you
Love your brother, your brother
Don't go and talk about my father, He's good to us,
God is my friend
Jesus is my friend
For when we call on Him for mercy, Mercy Father
He'll be merciful, my friend
Oh, yes He will
All he asks of us, I know, is we give each other love,
Oh ya


Ironically, Marvin (RIP) was shot dead by his own father for singing "Sexual Healing". you know, saying nasty things like..."get up, get up, let's make love tonight..." and Marvin's father was a preacher!!
GOD DAMN IT!!

[intruder]

One more for Marvin's posterity....



Oh, mercy mercy me
Oh, things ain't what they used to be
No, no
Where did all the blue sky go?
Poison is the wind that blows
From the north,and south, and east
Oh, mercy mercy me
Oh, things ain't what they used to be
No, no
Oil wasted on the oceans
and upon our seas
Fish full of mercury
Oh, mercy mercy me
Oh, things ain't what they used to be
No, no
Radiation under ground and in the sky
Animals and birds who
live nearby are dying
Oh, mercy mercy me
Oh, things ain't what they used to be
What about this overcrowded land
How much more abuse from
man can she stand?
My sweet Lord
My sweet Lord
My sweet Lord

[synergy777]

well we have to do it, if we don't unite now, then when?

the agenda is real, there too much correlation, too much new world order jargon in the press etc.

i tried to ignore it, but its pretty hopeless now.

also seperate the real yeashuah/jesus from the mystery school symbolic one. after all if he didn't exist, why all the effort in corrupting the message, why mention him in the texts the elite love eg satanic rites and the babylonian talmud.

[phildee3]

I guess what I'm saying, is how do I replace my Jesus? It's an empty hole and I feel a little lost.



What I found is that it's not the historical truth, or untruth, of the Jesus story that's important (primarily),
it's the christos that is said to have been in him.
That is the thing to connect with.

Having no beginning and no end, the christos transcends historical validity.

[krakhead]

You don´t have to replace Jesus

That sounds like really good advice to me! :)

Once you escape from a prison, you don't have to go and find another room to willingly lock yourself into - run my little one, be free! Feel the wind in your hair and the sun on your face!

[kezann]

Hi Pennycat

You haven't lost what Jesus represented to you hun. If anything you're gaining a better understanding of it. You've just lost a word is all.

I believed that I could pray and that he would answer my prayers and to be honest, (something usually did grant me my wishes just to let you know)

Bingo!

This happens for everyone. Be they religious or no, it still happens. It's energies you see. The power of the human soul is way more powerful than we are ever allowed to believe. Keep praying is all I say. All praying is, after all, is focusing your energies on something fervently. The fact that your prayers have been answered illustrates the power you have.

Imagine what we'll do when enough of us realise what we're capable of? Gonna be fun eh?

Sending you loads of love

Kerry-Ann
xXx

[oiram]

I guess what I'm saying, is how do I replace my Jesus? It's an empty hole and I feel a little lost.
Don't you worry there is always a solution! Also you not alone there are millions fighting the same lying System!
You may try & look at this link you may find a new; more modern approach without the materialistic corrupt religious link!

Welcome to Deism!
http://www.deism.com/deism_defined.htm
Welcome to Deism!

Deism has a lot to offer you! It also has a lot to offer society! Deism is belief in God based on the application of our reason on the designs/laws found throughout Nature. The designs presuppose a Designer. Deism is therefore a natural religion and is not a "revealed" religion. The natural religion/philosophy of Deism frees those who embrace it from the inconsistencies of superstition and the negativity of fear that are so strongly represented in all of the "revealed" religions such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam. (These religions are called revealed religions because they all make claim to having received a special revelation from God which they pretend, and many of their sincere followers actually believe, their various and conflicting holy books are based on.) When enough people become Deists, reason will be elevated over fear and myth and its positive qualities will become a part of society as a whole. Then, instead of having billions of people chasing after the nonsensical violence promoting myths of the "revealed" religions, people will be centered on their God-given reason which will lead to limitless personal and societal progress!
http://moderndeism.com/html/deist_principles.html
The Deist Principles are are along the same idea as the Ten Commandments except they are not claimed to come from God. The idea behind them is a way to live life to the fullest based on a Reason. They are useful in all aspects of life and regardless of age they are applicable to adults and children.

__________________________________________________ _____

Deist Principles

You shall honor and worship the Creator in a fashion that suits you

You shall treat others with dignity and respect and you shall insist that others respect your dignity as well

You shall live life pragmatically and use Reason as the cornerstone for all you think, say and do

You shall be honest and not lie, cheat or steal

You shall not harm another unless it is in defense of yourself or loved ones

You shall treat others as you want to be treated

You shall take responsibility for your actions

You shall have faith in yourself

You shall honor and be faithful to your Father, your Mother and your Loved ones

You shall learn from the mistakes that you will make

You shall find awe, inspiration and beauty in the creation and the natural order of the universe

You shall search for truth and be willing to accept new ideas based on reason as you are exposed to them

[intruder]

[QUOTE=pennycat;341201]Hi. I'm a pain in the ass newbie here. I really could use some advice, suggestions, shared input.

why regard yourself as a "pain in the ass", just because you have questions?

[kasalt]

Ironically, Marvin (RIP) was shot dead by his own father for singing "Sexual Healing". you know, saying nasty things like..."get up, get up, let's make love tonight..." and Marvin's father was a preacher!!
GOD DAMN IT!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Gaye#Comeback_and_sudden_death

In March, 1983, Marvin Gaye gave his final performance in front of his old mentor and label for Motown 25, performing "What's Going On". He then embarked on a U.S. tour to support his album. The tour, ending in August 1983, was plagued by health problems and Gaye's bouts with depression, and fear over an alleged attempt on his life.

When the tour ended, he isolated himself by moving into his parents' house. He threatened to commit suicide several times after numerous bitter arguments with his father, Marvin, Sr. On the E! True Hollywood Story about Gaye, singer Little Richard revealed that Gaye had premonitions of his murder in his final years of life. On April 1, 1984, one day before his forty-fifth birthday, Gaye's father shot and killed him after an argument that had started after Marvin's parents argued over misplaced business documents. Marvin, Sr. later was sentenced to six years of probation after pleading guilty to manslaughter. Charges of first-degree murder were dropped after doctors discovered Marvin, Sr. had a brain tumor.

[intruder]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Gaye#Comeback_and_sudden_death

In March, 1983, Marvin Gaye gave his final performance in front of his old mentor and label for Motown 25, performing "What's Going On". He then embarked on a U.S. tour to support his album. The tour, ending in August 1983, was plagued by health problems and Gaye's bouts with depression, and fear over an alleged attempt on his life.

When the tour ended, he isolated himself by moving into his parents' house. He threatened to commit suicide several times after numerous bitter arguments with his father, Marvin, Sr. On the E! True Hollywood Story about Gaye, singer Little Richard revealed that Gaye had premonitions of his murder in his final years of life. On April 1, 1984, one day before his forty-fifth birthday, Gaye's father shot and killed him after an argument that had started after Marvin's parents argued over misplaced business documents. Marvin, Sr. later was sentenced to six years of probation after pleading guilty to manslaughter. Charges of first-degree murder were dropped after doctors discovered Marvin, Sr. had a brain tumor.


fair enough....err, ah, UNFAIR enough. the media, at the time, and I was working from memory, DID hype his father's complete aversion to "Sexual Healing".

while I can appreciate the clarity that you want to bring to my post, it doesn't alter Marvin's untimely demise. the misplaced business documents are just as tragic, but we don't all the parameters, do we? perhaps Marvin was bowing to Mammon,... maybe it was his dad.

[marpat]

Hi. I'm a pain in the ass newbie here. I really could use some advice, suggestions, shared input. Feel free to send me a private message even.

I'm reading the Biggest Secret. Between it and other sources I'm now convinced that the story I have been brought up believing in is most likely a fairy tale. It's good to be in the know, I'm not complaining about that. However, the world is shit right now. Everywhere you look, people are just not in a very up mood. Gas prices are to the point here in California that it won't surprise me if I ask for $4.00 worth of gas and the clerk at Arco farts in a Glad baggy and hands it to me. We worry about a lot here. Plus I'm a mom, which makes me worry even more.

Back when I had my Santa Claus or Jesus Claus I believed that I could pray and that he would answer my prayers and to be honest, (something usually did grant me my wishes just to let you know). With the world we live in being somewhat fucked up right now, having a Jesus would sure help. Cause right now, finding out that the whole Christian story was as fictional as the Wizard of Oz (maybe more) is just the final topper. I sort of envy those who believe in religion still. However, if I really could believe in it, believe me I am the best at convincing myself before anyone else of something, this is just something I can no longer believe because its not in me to; but the truth is I miss it already.

I guess what I'm saying, is how do I replace my Jesus? It's an empty hole and I feel a little lost.


If that is what worked for you then why give it up? why be converted by another persons belief? fair enough I am not a christian and believe that parts of the bible have been altered for various reasons but that does not mean there is absolutely no truth in it. The bible is not a complete fiction. It has to contain elements of truth in order for it to relate to the lives of people. It has to contain things that people can understand and appreciate.

Don't dump all of your beliefs because of a book you read, make up your own mind. Let your soul guide you and it will show you what is right for you. Peoples beliefs are so subjective that they will differ from person to person anyway.

[mystiq_99]

Hi. I'm a pain in the ass newbie here. I really could use some advice, suggestions, shared input. Feel free to send me a private message even.

I'm reading the Biggest Secret. Between it and other sources I'm now convinced that the story I have been brought up believing in is most likely a fairy tale. It's good to be in the know, I'm not complaining about that. However, the world is shit right now. Everywhere you look, people are just not in a very up mood. Gas prices are to the point here in California that it won't surprise me if I ask for $4.00 worth of gas and the clerk at Arco farts in a Glad baggy and hands it to me. We worry about a lot here. Plus I'm a mom, which makes me worry even more.

Back when I had my Santa Claus or Jesus Claus I believed that I could pray and that he would answer my prayers and to be honest, (something usually did grant me my wishes just to let you know). With the world we live in being somewhat fucked up right now, having a Jesus would sure help. Cause right now, finding out that the whole Christian story was as fictional as the Wizard of Oz (maybe more) is just the final topper. I sort of envy those who believe in religion still. However, if I really could believe in it, believe me I am the best at convincing myself before anyone else of something, this is just something I can no longer believe because its not in me to; but the truth is I miss it already.

I guess what I'm saying, is how do I replace my Jesus? It's an empty hole and I feel a little lost.



First of all trust your inner direction and if you know you are a spiritual being and have faith in God as the Loving Intellect that is everything or creator of everything, more loving actually than any formal religions I've read about, then pray to God and ask for direction. There is the gnostic Christ, many spiritual writings. I also have prayers answered. And a beautiful dream when I was in danger and rescued by an angel, and the minute I touched him, the incredible joy of heaven flooded through me, and I woke up. Read the life after death accounts, and begin a true spiritual journey. The main thing is I keep encountering a lot of people with real occult backgrounds who try to make it seem that you're all alone in this and I keep thinking of the good animes with good magic and bad magic wizards or gods, so you could lose. If you have faith in God and ask for direction, you won't lose. Mediate pray and search for a more Universal concept of God and heaven and the evolution of the soul.