Do you FEEL an awakening is happening?

[cleft_asunder]

If your answer is 'yes,' do you feel or believe in an awakening that is independent of 2012, running parallel to it? Be as specific as you can.

We all know about this 2012 thing. And even though it's going to happen, I don't believe it's the real deal. Oh sure we'll move on to a less dense reality, but we are still trapped in the prison. The only thing I'm really interested about is weather or not the parallel awakeing Icke was revealed is in fact true. I'm wondering if others are feeling "something else going on" or if this whole awakeing thing is purely based on 2012 planetary alignment with the equinox, the end of a huge cycle, yadda yadda. If it is then we'll be ultimately disappointed.

[a fine naked fellow]

Yes I do, thank you.

I think we’ll wake up and make everything better.
Or face near extinction. And only a handful will survive.

If the shit does hit the fan I’m going to boogie on outta here.

- Oh, and Independent and parallel.

[paulski]

I sure do hope 'it's' happening, let's blow this joint, who's with me....:eek:

[lightbeing]

If your answer is 'yes,' do you feel or believe in an awakening that is independent of 2012, running parallel to it? Be as specific as you can.

We all know about this 2012 thing. And even though it's going to happen, I don't believe it's the real deal. Oh sure we'll move on to a less dense reality, but we are still trapped in the prison. The only thing I'm really interested about is weather or not the parallel awakeing Icke was revealed is in fact true. I'm wondering if others are feeling "something else going on" or if this whole awakeing thing is purely based on 2012 planetary alignment with the equinox, the end of a huge cycle, yadda yadda. If it is then we'll be ultimately disappointed.

Yes, indeed there is an awakening happening. For me personally, this year so far has been a huge wake up call:) Christmas was only 3 odd months ago, but that feels like 6 months ago!:eek:
The more knowledge you acquire, time slows down........

[thirdwave]

If your answer is 'yes,' do you feel or believe in an awakening that is independent of 2012, running parallel to it? Be as specific as you can.

We all know about this 2012 thing. And even though it's going to happen, I don't believe it's the real deal. Oh sure we'll move on to a less dense reality, but we are still trapped in the prison. The only thing I'm really interested about is weather or not the parallel awakeing Icke was revealed is in fact true. I'm wondering if others are feeling "something else going on" or if this whole awakeing thing is purely based on 2012 planetary alignment with the equinox, the end of a huge cycle, yadda yadda. If it is then we'll be ultimately disappointed.

but when we go into the more dense reality, it will be easier for many to manipulate the reality and create situations they want.... this is why things could get very interesting... when we can see more than the reality we see now, then we will also have a bigger view on values... and will see more truth.

so I think this little change is infact a huge change.... and its why so many are freaking out, because there grip on the comfort zone they hold onto is not as firm as it used to be so people are freaking out looking for something to hold onto...when of course you don't need to hold on to anything.. its clear to see the powers that be have been and are doing everything they can to see this situation through while still being able to keep their control in place....and I think for now they are doing an ok job at it.... but I don't think the ship has set sale just yet and it is not going to get easier for them, especially as they keep plunging us into more Wars....

[i am all i am]

There is no prison, except through our beliefs.

All is possible. If one thing is possible, as all is oneness, then all is possible.

The belief that sets you free. No more prison.

Ahhhhh.....the awakening has begun !!!

We are all awakening to the recognition of WHO WE TRULY ARE.

We are the GODS OF CREATION.

Goodmorning brothers and sisters. Did you have a nice dream while you slept ???


With LOVE.

[lightbeing]

Yes, indeed there is an awakening happening. For me personally, this year so far has been a huge wake up call:) Christmas was only 3 odd months ago, but that feels like 6 months ago!:eek:
The more knowledge you acquire, time slows down........

I think I meant to say time speeds up, doh!;)

[seanx]

I think it is a bit of a red herring - this 2012 thing.

Awakening can happen at any moment - maybe today for you -
maybe 200 years for somebody else.

if it is all a game - and we are eternal beings playing this
game of separation discovery - does it make any difference?

but when we go into the more dense reality, it will be easier for many to manipulate the reality and create situations they want.... this is why things could get very interesting... when we can see more than the reality we see now, then we will also have a bigger view on values... and will see more truth.

However, I think thirdwave has hit the nail on the head here.

What I think will happen is that the densities between all the different frequencies or 'dimensions' will lessen - and we will start 'meeting' and 'communicating' not only with our loved ones who have passed on -
but a whole lot of fascinating 'entities' .

Heck, the story' of human history is only starting....

[lottie]

I can see a huge awakening happening- prehaps only because i've had one but i have started to notice people are just starting to spontaeously ask questions and confirm 'somethings not quite right'- its like Icke says- its a big pool of human consiousness and the more we wake up- the more it will just automatically download into others spontaneously. like the 100th monkey syndrome- i completely understand that and im just waiting till enough monkeys have awoken!! :D but i think 2012 does have a lot of significance with the planetary stuff etc- the great thing is about all this stuff- its not just one thing to focus on like 2012 or reptilians or the corruption- its all of it collectively together that will afffect the changes- so no-one can say what will happen- i dont think 2012 will come and suddenly we'll all wake up in another dimension but over time this will all happen slowly, those who are ready to move on- will and those left behind will stay! i dunno- i cant say for sure- we just all have to wait and see but implement as much positivity as possible while we wait!! grow, learn,absorb,live,Love and all will be well- im sure of it!!
ps- when the shit hits the fan though- i believe truly that we should peace for peace not fight for it- so i can be found in the most remote area there is -minding me own business, tending to me chickens and rolling up a fat one!!!Infinite Love is the only Truth- Everything else is illusion!!

also lightbeing- i agree 100% it does appear that time has speeded up - especially since i had my 'awakening'! :confused:

[lightbeing]

I think it is a bit of a red herring - this 2012 thing.

Awakening can happen at any moment - maybe today for you -
maybe 200 years for somebody else.

if it is all a game - and we are eternal beings playing this
game of separation discovery - does it make any difference?



However, I think thirdwave has hit the nail on the head here.

What I think will happen is that the densities between all the different frequencies or 'dimensions' will lessen - and we will start 'meeting' and 'communicating' not only with our loved ones who have passed on -
but a whole lot of fascinating 'entities' .

Heck, the story' of human history is only starting....

I like the sound of that, I feel you are right with frequencies lessening..... But for some these dimensions are starting to filter through now:) ...........

[Anders Lindman]

It's something about time. Don't know for sure if awakening is in the air or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_v-meJ7D7E

[jinjo5]

If your answer is 'yes,' do you feel or believe in an awakening that is independent of 2012, running parallel to it? Be as specific as you can.

We all know about this 2012 thing. And even though it's going to happen, I don't believe it's the real deal. Oh sure we'll move on to a less dense reality, but we are still trapped in the prison. The only thing I'm really interested about is weather or not the parallel awakeing Icke was revealed is in fact true. I'm wondering if others are feeling "something else going on" or if this whole awakeing thing is purely based on 2012 planetary alignment with the equinox, the end of a huge cycle, yadda yadda. If it is then we'll be ultimately disappointed.
I think people in general are waking up to the fact that all governments are just liars and dont give a toss about its people.
The leaders and MP'S are only in it for what they can get,look at John prescott for starters.
Im talking about ordinary people who would laugh their head off if they read what people put on this site.
People arent stupid though,they can see right through politicians.
has for 2012,my gut feeling is that it will come and go like any other year....dont really think any thing big will happen.

[lottie]

all i know is that 2012 is the date in which the illuminati want their agenda of a one world gov etc etc to be in place, (go research it)there is far too much evidence to suggest otherwise and you can see the push being stepped up as we speak! why 2012? why then?
Along with all the other ancient stuff with the mayan calendar etc etc and the imminent planetary changes as we move into the photon belt etc it all becomes a little dodgy and synchronistic! the only 'big' thing to happen will be that we will lose all our freedoms and be enslaved into the one world government agenda- now if thats not big- i dunno what is!! 'Ordinary' folk may laugh at all this stuff now as i once did before i took off my blinkers and stopped trusting the tv and media to tell me the truth and started to research it all myself- but once upon a time you were told you were mad and laughed at if you believed the world was round- so they may laugh now- but they won't be laughing when the have no rights and freedoms, their babies are mandatoraly chipped at birth, and realise whats going on.....far too late!! :(

[falseflag]

Sorry folks but I don't buy this mass wake up. The majority of the populace have absolutely no intentions of waking up, after all why should they, if they believe themselves to be already awake? They like so many, have simply accepted the false nature of the ideological system, humanity has long lived under, too dependent upon it, to ever change it(which was the whole clever idea in the first place). Judging by the attitudes of the shitless layabouts in my area (tracksuit clad and drinking at 9.30 am) and the other consumer obsessed zombies, in the local cities, who unbelievably call themselves awake, this "reality" is there idea of life. To them they are already free, all be it acting as free (individuals), through the items they purchase.
Let us not forget, that these same fools will fight to keep the system the way it is.. To them a world without shopping and getting pissed everyday would be boring. They don't have an ounce of creativity left in there tiny minds, they have been sucked dry. Ask any one still plugged into the "matrix" to describe the world in 'imagine' by John Lennon, they will simply say that's a boring world, they are spiritually (non religious sense) dead. And because I'm pissed off with the emptiness of this society, Fuck them!

[jinjo5]

Spot on falseflag.
What i was trying to say lottie is that i dont believe anything specific will happen on a specific date(2012),for instance.
I have done my resarch thank you lottie and id like to draw your attention to a book i recently read called the'crystal skulls' which drew upon the knowledge of the native indians,peruvians and mayans,they are convinced,or know, something is going to happen soon.
Like falseflag,i dont believe there will be any mass wake up and any change that does happen will be a slow process,almost imperceptible.
I wouldnt attach too much importance to the actual date 2012.

[melbo]

I can't feel a mass awakening happening to be honest. I don't know anybody in 'real life' who feels as I do, and if I try and talk to people about what we talk about on here, they think I'm a loony.

[jinjo5]

I can't feel a mass awakening happening to be honest. I don't know anybody in 'real life' who feels as I do, and if I try and talk to people about what we talk about on here, they think I'm a loony.
me too melbo,i mention the site occasionally,but i avoid mentioning the lizards.
Im not too sure about those fellas anyway.

[father ted]

If your answer is 'yes,' do you feel or believe in an awakening that is independent of 2012, running parallel to it? Be as specific as you can.

We all know about this 2012 thing. And even though it's going to happen, I don't believe it's the real deal. Oh sure we'll move on to a less dense reality, but we are still trapped in the prison. The only thing I'm really interested about is weather or not the parallel awakeing Icke was revealed is in fact true. I'm wondering if others are feeling "something else going on" or if this whole awakeing thing is purely based on 2012 planetary alignment with the equinox, the end of a huge cycle, yadda yadda. If it is then we'll be ultimately disappointed.

I'm not sure most of you understood this question.:)

One things for sure, what they're saying about the 2012 awakening, sounds a whole lot better than what we've got now. Maybe the 2012 awakening will help us with the real awakening. Sounds like this hasn't happened with the previous pole shifts, or the so and so years of light, or the passing through the photon belt, or whatever you wanna call it, but it might happen this time, as Icke seems to suggest.

Yes, I agree this could happen anytime, I think groups of beings have properly awoken in the past, but as you can imagine, they probably left this plane of existence and we obviously weren't part of that. But then again, a real awakening would have to involve everyone.

Also, it seems that's the difference between the indigo kids and the super psychic kids, the super psychic kids draw from oneness, and the indigo kids get their abilities from within the matrix.

[rossus]

i don't think there's a mass spiritual awakening happening or going to happen in 2012...
but i suspect everything is possible, and try to leave all questions unanswered instead of answering with my beliefs.

what will be shall be :)


the individual awakening is always now...
do you listen to your heart or to something else which you think is more important

[bigus_dickus]

what is the best thing that you can imagine that will happen? (not in 2012, but NOW, or just any time)

[jinjo5]

what is the best thing that you can imagine that will happen? (not in 2012, but NOW, or just any time)
There's no quick answer to that biggus,gunna have to think about it.
Anyway biggus,how is Incontinentia doing these days?:D

[seperatefromtheherd]

Sorry folks but I don't buy this mass wake up. The majority of the populace have absolutely no intentions of waking up, after all why should they, if they believe themselves to be already awake? They like so many, have simply accepted the false nature of the ideological system, humanity has long lived under, too dependent upon it, to ever change it(which was the whole clever idea in the first place). Judging by the attitudes of the shitless layabouts in my area (tracksuit clad and drinking at 9.30 am) and the other consumer obsessed zombies, in the local cities, who unbelievably call themselves awake, this "reality" is there idea of life. To them they are already free, all be it acting as free (individuals), through the items they purchase.
Let us not forget, that these same fools will fight to keep the system the way it is.. To them a world without shopping and getting pissed everyday would be boring. They don't have an ounce of creativity left in there tiny minds, they have been sucked dry. Ask any one still plugged into the "matrix" to describe the world in 'imagine' by John Lennon, they will simply say that's a boring world, they are spiritually (non religious sense) dead. And because I'm pissed off with the emptiness of this society, Fuck them!



Agreed. I dont think there is any mass wake up at least any time soon. It seems the majority of the human race is very far behind spiritually, mentally, and emotionally. Many are so far behind that you pretty much KNOW that they're a lost cause or a lot of the older people have obviously long grown well into who they are at least in this physical experience. I still have hope for the very young generations and the future of the newly borns.

[2013]

2012 is in danger of becoming for those feeling already awakened and enlightened the 1999 for the masses. Scaremongering and fear based reaction to hope in the future as opposed to being , just simply being .Human being ? the native american tribes belived you had to earn the right to be called a human being .Everything evolves and moves forward no matter how long it may take it happens . If one person truely awakens in this realm then it must surley have an effect on the rest of us as it would leave a trace .domino's or the 100 or 1,000 monkey syndrome however optimistic you wish to be . Photon belt activity brings new types of light and awareness with it also the suns naturla cycle is heating up as it does periodicaly so the mayans etc were allaware of this .The calendar date is not the one they used they followed planetry movements and patterns thus i heard / read that in 2012 all the planets in our solar system will line up in perfect order as they do every 26,000 years so if thats the case then we will know that time is correct .So far we have had a few line up in taurus in 2000 . that was only five though.Crystal skulls was/is a good book .Maybe this is another reason the calendar has been messed around with to throw people off the trail?As long as we as individuals continue to grow and evolve then things will improve wether or not we or they (enlightened more than we think we are lol ) bring them all along with us /or them (yes thank you reg )
1,000 monkeys cant be wrong !:D

[bigus_dickus]

There's no quick answer to that biggus,gunna have to think about it.

how come you haven't thought about it yet??

Anyway biggus,how is Incontinentia doing these days?:D

being an angel on earth as always :)

[king]

If your answer is 'yes,' do you feel or believe in an awakening that is independent of 2012, running parallel to it? Be as specific as you can.

We all know about this 2012 thing. And even though it's going to happen, I don't believe it's the real deal. Oh sure we'll move on to a less dense reality, but we are still trapped in the prison. The only thing I'm really interested about is weather or not the parallel awakeing Icke was revealed is in fact true. I'm wondering if others are feeling "something else going on" or if this whole awakeing thing is purely based on 2012 planetary alignment with the equinox, the end of a huge cycle, yadda yadda. If it is then we'll be ultimately disappointed.

considering that PTWL (Powers That Will Loose) are
intensifying their chemtrailing operations like there is no tomorrow, that they are putting up shitload of new Cell Towers NEXT TO places where there are large masses of people (schools, hospitals, office buildings, even dense residential neighborhoods)
I KNOW that they are AFRAID of something.

And, if I was them, I would be afraid of one thing only -- if those who I have deceived, raped, poisoned and even ritually sacrificed are beginning to wake up, and beginning to see the hands the puppet masters and strings that are attached to all puppets.
So, awakening is the moment when you begin to cut off
your strings, and once you do so -- there is no going back.
because, no one who had awakened went back and ask puppet master if he can attach his strings back.

This is the awakening that many talked about, or ripping off the veil, or second comming of Christ ... or what have you.
Those who have freed themselves from the illusion/matrix/stings are actually already free, but they still operate in old "matrix mode" they just cannot let it go.
so, that is why we need to learn not to succumb to fear, because you will not benefit from it, you will never know when and how you will die.
Avoid people like Alex Jones who pump lots of fear and who give you no nope, and if you have to listen to them think as who benefits from you being scared shitless?

Only PTWL benefit, not you and I.


2012 thing? Yes, but not because of some prophecy, but because of planetary alignment that is due for that time.
The way i see it is -- it the full moon can make some people 'crazy' (greatly influence their mood) then imagine what all planets can do if they are aligned in a straight line?

I see 2012 as a planetary reset switch.
That is what PTWL are afraid of.
That is the reason for many HAARP like facilities, cell towers, chemtrails, toxic vacines, aluminum food aditives, fluoride, geneticly modified food -- all to keep us at lower spiritual vibration, to prevent us reconnecting with our spirit that in turn connect us with a GLOBAL spirit of awakened people.
but, it ain't working.... because when energy of those AWAKENED begins to be harmonised -- then 100th monkey syndrome will happen overnight.

so, we need to works towards that, that is the only way we can get out of this mess.
rest assured, there is a divine reason for every single of us, there is a reason why we are here at this time.
think about it, think why were you born so that you live through these tough times and think what kind of service to all life, your own planet, universe/creation can you provide, and how significant you are!


rest assured, if we were not powerful (and to them dangerous) - no one would go to such lengths to keep us dumbed down, drugged up and in depressive moods.
since those fuckers that are trying to keep us down are
also breathing chemtrails, also exposed to ELF/HAARP
that should also tell you that either they are DESPERATE enough to risk their own lives, or that they are not really afraid of those things as we seem to be.

And, i got the feeling that 99% of what is thrown in our direction is to keep us in fear, therefore at lover vibratory rate. That is why there is barrage of horrible events that are being shoved on us to the point that we do not trust each other any longer. That is why some people are pumping negative shite at us, day after day.

Because, only if we are splintered in small cells and we are afraid of each other will they be able to win. If we put our differences aside, that is allow and even embrace others to be 'different', only then will we be able to pull together for our own cause, cause of humanity.


We cannot remove the chains oh humanity by playing their game. We need to be wary of those who are feeding us more of the same garbage. We need to recognize it for what it is -- a dirty trick!

I KNOW that we are smarter than that.

[earthseed]

Getting off of the need to exist this way or all ways is like getting off any other drug you need a 12 step program.

;)

[jologriffiths]

I'm with Lottie on this one, its very much about what our controllers have planned, they believe in the significance of this date 2012, and are preparing accordingly.
At times it does seem like the awakening process is impossible, but when we feel positive about the future and energised by each other we have to hold that thought and magnify this energy.
Things are developing all the time just the very fact that we are all communicating on this forum and that we are not alone, gives me a buzz and allows me to visualise a great awakening.
I know that the majority are questioning our system its up to all of us to help the process, and if we actively do this I believe that we ourselves will be helped to see what is happening, how significant 2012 is and what we have to do.
We certainly have the ability to put a spanner in the works as far as the dark magicians are concerned, that is what we have to focus on, destabilising 'their' plan.

[cleft_asunder]

I'm not sure most of you understood this question.:)

One things for sure, what they're saying about the 2012 awakening, sounds a whole lot better than what we've got now. Maybe the 2012 awakening will help us with the real awakening. Sounds like this hasn't happened with the previous pole shifts, or the so and so years of light, or the passing through the photon belt, or whatever you wanna call it, but it might happen this time, as Icke seems to suggest.

Yes, I agree this could happen anytime, I think groups of beings have properly awoken in the past, but as you can imagine, they probably left this plane of existence and we obviously weren't part of that. But then again, a real awakening would have to involve everyone.

Also, it seems that's the difference between the indigo kids and the super psychic kids, the super psychic kids draw from oneness, and the indigo kids get their abilities from within the matrix.


You hit the nail on the head when you said an awakeing must involve everyone. If it doesn't, it's a Matrix awakening. Check out the new 2012 article at www.montalk.net. He's talking about the Matrix-awakening.

[cleft_asunder]

Agreed. I dont think there is any mass wake up at least any time soon. It seems the majority of the human race is very far behind spiritually, mentally, and emotionally. Many are so far behind that you pretty much KNOW that they're a lost cause or a lot of the older people have obviously long grown well into who they are at least in this physical experience. I still have hope for the very young generations and the future of the newly borns.

We talk about "people" like it's so cut-and-dry. We haven't even taken into account Organic Portals which, of course, would never wake up. If 50% of the population are really OP's, then that explains why certain "individuals" have absolutely no curiosity of anything outside the manufactured norm.

[mcmenek1]

Hi,

Good posts there from lottie and king I agree with a lot of what you both said........I think we are coming up to a critical time period....the vibration of the earth is rising and it is waking people up “The Powers That be” know this and their doing their best to keep the earth and the people at a low vibration this is one of the reasons for all the mindless killing going on in Iraq.....all the death and negativity is being used to counteract the rising vibrations.......

“The Powers That be” have one major weapon in their arsenal and that’s a financial one. The masses are being set up for one major financial disaster which is going to cause a lot of fear and misery and its going to come soon.....in the UK for example the people are being set up with the housing market.....the market has been rigged to suck people in with unprecedented amounts of debt...... “The Powers That be” have got the people exactly where they want them.....at their mercy.

The timing of this is critical and its to do with the time period we are coming up to in and around 2012.....this manufactured world financial crash is going to be used to stop the masses waking up in the higher vibrations by lowering their vibration through fear and misery that will be created by this manufactured world crash.

To survive in this new time period your vibration has to be compatible with the new higher vibrations that are coming in if they are not it will literally be like hitting a brick wall.......so we need to stay out of fear and have love in our hearts so we can connect and survive in this new time period....:)

Love
&
Peace

[lemonique]

Hullo Jollogriffiths!! welcome....
I can't help thinking that as long as people are concentrating on 'awakening' on a specific day or time ie. 2012, it detracts completely from what is 'going down' in other ways...like right now for instance. Chemtrails anyone?? The bloody shocking and heinous goings on in Iraq, the rattling of sabres at Iran.
The would be rulers of the world love it when things like 2012 are thrown into the mix....it keeps us all pondering the 'what could happen' scenario. It's a bit like Nero fiddling whilst Rome burns. I'm personally trying to stay focused on the 'what's really going down' thing, and I'm dismissing worrying about future events. I learned from the Y2K fiasco that they do this deliberately. A very deliberate ploy for the masses, but we know differently, don't we?
If I'm wrong I promise to eat large helpings of Humble Pie at the time:D
Cheers

[tinmenace]

Hullo Jollogriffiths!! welcome....
I can't help thinking that as long as people are concentrating on 'awakening' on a specific day or time ie. 2012, it detracts completely from what is 'going down' in other ways...like right now for instance. Chemtrails anyone?? The bloody shocking and heinous goings on in Iraq, the rattling of sabres at Iran.
The would be rulers of the world love it when things like 2012 are thrown into the mix....it keeps us all pondering the 'what could happen' scenario. It's a bit like Nero fiddling whilst Rome burns. I'm personally trying to stay focused on the 'what's really going down' thing, and I'm dismissing worrying about future events. I learned from the Y2K fiasco that they do this deliberately. A very deliberate ploy for the masses, but we know differently, don't we?
If I'm wrong I promise to eat large helpings of Humble Pie at the time:D
Cheers

I agree. There isn't going to be some miraculous event that's going to change it all for us. We have to get busy with other things in the meantime. It's not going to happen unless we make it happen.

[cleft_asunder]

considering that PTWL (Powers That Will Loose) are
intensifying their chemtrailing operations like there is no tomorrow, that they are putting up shitload of new Cell Towers NEXT TO places where there are large masses of people (schools, hospitals, office buildings, even dense residential neighborhoods)
I KNOW that they are AFRAID of something.

And, if I was them, I would be afraid of one thing only -- if those who I have deceived, raped, poisoned and even ritually sacrificed are beginning to wake up, and beginning to see the hands the puppet masters and strings that are attached to all puppets.
So, awakening is the moment when you begin to cut off
your strings, and once you do so -- there is no going back.
because, no one who had awakened went back and ask puppet master if he can attach his strings back.

This is the awakening that many talked about, or ripping off the veil, or second comming of Christ ... or what have you.
Those who have freed themselves from the illusion/matrix/stings are actually already free, but they still operate in old "matrix mode" they just cannot let it go.
so, that is why we need to learn not to succumb to fear, because you will not benefit from it, you will never know when and how you will die.
Avoid people like Alex Jones who pump lots of fear and who give you no nope, and if you have to listen to them think as who benefits from you being scared shitless?

Only PTWL benefit, not you and I.


2012 thing? Yes, but not because of some prophecy, but because of planetary alignment that is due for that time.
The way i see it is -- it the fool moon can make some people 'crazy' (greatly influence their mood) then imagine what all planets can do if they are aligned in a straight line?

I see 2012 as a planetary reset switch.
That is what PTWL are afraid of.
That is the reason for many HAARP like facilities, cell towers, chemtrails, toxic vacines, aluminum food aditives, fluoride, geneticly modified food -- all to keep us at lower spiritual vibration, to prevent us reconnecting with our spirit that in turn connect us with a GLOBAL spirit of awakened people.
but, it ain't working.... because when energy of those AWAKENED begins to be harmonised -- then 100th monkey syndrome will happen overnight.

so, we need to works towards that, that is the only way we can get out of this mess.
rest assured, there is a divine reason for every single of us, there is a reason why we are here at this time.
think about it, think why were you born so that you live through these tough times and think what kind of service to all life, your own planet, universe/creation can you provide, and how significant you are!


rest assured, if we were not powerful (and to them dangerous) - no one would go to such lengths to keep us dumbed down, drugged up and in depressive moods.
since those fuckers that are trying to keep us down are
also breathing chemtrails, also exposed to ELF/HAARP
that should also tell you that either they are DESPERATE enough to risk their own lives, or that they are not really afraid of those things as we seem to be.

And, i got the feeling that 99% of what is thrown in our direction is to keep us in fear, therefore at lover vibratory rate. That is why there is barrage of horrible events that are being shoved on us to the point that we do not trust each other any longer. That is why some people are pumping negative shite at us, day after day.

Because, only if we are splintered in small cells and we are afraid of each other will they be able to win. If we put our differences aside, that is allow and even embrace others to be 'different', only then will we be able to pull together for our own cause, cause of humanity.


We cannot remove the chains oh humanity by playing their game. We need to be wary of those who are feeding us more of the same garbage. We need to recognize it for what it is -- a dirty trick!

I KNOW that we are smarter than that.


I guess I agree. I mean they are affraid of us of course. But I just don't know wtf is going on. If I ask me, I think David Icke is being revealed information that others are not. He's like a prophet, and I believe he's right.

[jologriffiths]

Hey Lemonique,
Are you sister to Limelady?
Thanks for your welcome!

[cleft_asunder]

I agree. There isn't going to be some miraculous event that's going to change it all for us. We have to get busy with other things in the meantime. It's not going to happen unless we make it happen.

I'll agree that there's a good possibility that 2012 is part of their plan. I mean the Mayans were manipulated like every other society.

[tinmenace]

I'll agree that there's a good possibility that 2012 is part of their plan. I mean the Mayans were manipulated like every other society.

Wow! Never thought of it like that, but you make a goo point. I don't know a whole lot about 2012, other than what I've read...which is kinda vague and sometimes difficult to understand, but what I want to know is if 2012 is the date on the Gregorian calendar (since it wasn't even in existence at the time of the Mayans, right?), or what? What does it mean?

I guess I need to know....how do we know it's 2012 on the Gregorian calendar and not on the Jewish calendar, for example?

[truthsupplier]

I do hold in esteem the intelligent proposals set forth towards this particular thread...

Awakening... once awakened, return is absurd. To obtain awakening, how does one go about sharing this abundance and not be labeled the nut case so adamantly postured. Just sit on it? Sorry, if you draw breath and achieve this "awakening", hoarding the information is unworthy of the mind which has been able to wrap itself around the facts. Wear the label... it doesn`t hurt.

As to a particular date and the happenings "scheduled" for this "event"... your guess is as good as mine. Does "channeling" happen, are we "informed" by others who know and would share (or left coded messages we cannot decipher)? I am not of this persuasion, but I won`t doubt that which I was not gifted with personally... I am not that stupid. Neither can I confirm supposition... it is not a comfortable feeling, lying and knowing you are doing it. I was raised to know better than to do that.

Is awakening a degree of awareness? Of what knowledge base does one hail the others without fear of being confronted with a doubt which you totally did not expect and can understand, but the frustration is absolute? I have questions and the interest to research... I do not see this as a bad thing. If I am mistaken, I offer my apologies... otherwise, I will establish, you can not know too much.

[cleft_asunder]

Wow! Never thought of it like that, but you make a goo point. I don't know a whole lot about 2012, other than what I've read...which is kinda vague and sometimes difficult to understand, but what I want to know is if 2012 is the date on the Gregorian calendar (since it wasn't even in existence at the time of the Mayans, right?), or what? What does it mean?

I guess I need to know....how do we know it's 2012 on the Gregorian calendar and not on the Jewish calendar, for example?

Actually, what I said above is absurd. I could use the same logic and say that the Sumerian and Emrald tablets are trivial because the Annunaki controlled society even back then, and therefore they contain lies. But this is nonsense because the fact of the matter is that they didn't destroy, twist, and manipulate everything. Throughout humanities enslavement there have always been people of truth--presevers of truth. Truth is not easily destroyed. In a microchipped NWO, yes, but not when people still have free will and can connect to the higher self. These being aren't omnipotent, but they would like you to think so.

So as for 2012, I do believe that it is accurate information. The calendars and such were discovered. It's not like the Annunaki set us up, or handed the calendars to us.

[tinmenace]

Awakening... once awakened, return is absurd.

Totally!

To obtain awakening, how does one go about sharing this abundance and not be labeled the nut case so adamantly postured. Just sit on it? Sorry, if you draw breath and achieve this "awakening", hoarding the information is unworthy of the mind which has been able to wrap itself around the facts. Wear the label... it doesn`t hurt.

Right again! A truly conscious or awakened person wouldn't care less what anyone else thinks because they KNOW...

Is awakening a degree of awareness? Of what knowledge base does one hail the others without fear of being confronted with a doubt which you totally did not expect and can understand, but the frustration is absolute?

That would be a clear sign that I would need to learn more in order to answer the question. Knowledge and awareness is an ever evolving process, but you have to desire it. It's not something that just lands in your lap.

[cowboy]

Yeah i feel there is a shift of consciousness going on. More and more people are waking up the elites crimes. I don't know alot about 2012 personally, so i'm not sure if it's a spirtual thing, or just the plain fact that the elite are more arrogant than ever, with the internet we have an alternative media. Opposed to the traditional propaganda we see on tv.

[king]

Hi,

Good posts there from lottie and king I agree with a lot of what you both said........I think we are coming up to a critical time period....the vibration of the earth is rising and it is waking people up “The Powers That be” know this and their doing their best to keep the earth and the people at a low vibration this is one of the reasons for all the mindless killing going on in Iraq.....all the death and negativity is being used to counteract the rising vibrations.......

yes, exactly. that is WHY they shifted in high gear in 2001 and they re pressing the throttle down through the floorboard.
but, engine will either make it (for them) or blow up (good for us).

either way -- many have already made up their minds.
I for one will not succumb to fear. fuck those bastards.
I already decided in my mind that they have lost, so i am not gonna worry about them.


“The Powers That be” have one major weapon in their arsenal and that’s a financial one. The masses are being set up for one major financial disaster which is going to cause a lot of fear and misery and its going to come soon.....
yes

in the UK for example the people are being set up with the housing market.....the market has been rigged to suck people in with unprecedented amounts of debt...... “The Powers That be” have got the people exactly where they want them.....at their mercy.

bulls eye!
here in States they did the same thing with negative loans.
it was all designed to put people in debt.
yesterday i read in 'official newspapers' something about cars that were blamed for global warming, and bunch of light bulbs immediately went on and started flashing;
I realized, that is why they gave incentives to buy SUVs, only a few years back.

What i think they will do is make you feel guilty for driving an SUV, as you will feel hate of others on your own skin (in my oppinion justifiably becuse who need gas guzzlers but those who need dick extensions) ... so, you would need to rectify your situation by getting rid of your SUV and switching to public transportation or smaller, more energy efficiant cars.

Now, I am pretty sure that because "Americans cannot compete with the world" those energy efficientcars will come from Asia. And, chances are they will tax Americans by mile on exiting gas guzzlers, just like they did with tax on freon.
those of you with longer memories may remember that a pound of freon in early 80's was less than half dollar, but now a pound of freon is more than $30.

Anyways, this move towards smaller cars will serve two purposes; to tax the people who drive existing cars by making them feeling guilty, and more importantly to kill cold automotive industry in U.S.

with this move America will become (finaly) deindustrialised, and this may be one of the most dangerous moves that NWO will make make because of American love affair with cars.


but, such moves could backfire on PTBS, when people realise that they have been setup for fall, by their own governments, and when they realise WHY.
Because, if the people start pulling together -- PTBs may loose their powers overnight, then they better watch out. there are too many loose canons in America.

The timing of this is critical and its to do with the time period we are coming up to in and around 2012.....this manufactured world financial crash is going to be used to stop the masses waking up in the higher vibrations by lowering their vibration through fear and misery that will be created by this manufactured world crash.

another bulls eye!
yes, that is why Europe has Euro and Amero is already printed and waiting for North America to fall on its knees.

To survive in this new time period your vibration has to be compatible with the new higher vibrations that are coming in if they are not it will literally be like hitting a brick wall.......so we need to stay out of fear and have love in our hearts so we can connect and survive in this new time period....:)

Love
&
Peace

fully agree with this statement.
that is the only way out of insanity.

[notaslave]

If your answer is 'yes,' do you feel or believe in an awakening that is independent of 2012, running parallel to it? Be as specific as you can.

We all know about this 2012 thing. And even though it's going to happen, I don't believe it's the real deal. Oh sure we'll move on to a less dense reality, but we are still trapped in the prison. The only thing I'm really interested about is weather or not the parallel awakeing Icke was revealed is in fact true. I'm wondering if others are feeling "something else going on" or if this whole awakeing thing is purely based on 2012 planetary alignment with the equinox, the end of a huge cycle, yadda yadda. If it is then we'll be ultimately disappointed.

I am always skeptical of dates in the future.

Problem - the masses may twig what we are doing and get off their arses and do something.

Reaction - create a distraction

Solution - give them a date when all will be well.

I believe the only way things will change is by making it change.

[aznality]

I woke up in 2005. So who knows really. We cannot judge to decide, since we cannot observe everything.

[king]

I guess I agree. I mean they are affraid of us of course. But I just don't know wtf is going on. If I ask me, I think David Icke is being revealed information that others are not. He's like a prophet, and I believe he's right.

I think that he was right in many aspects of it and that many things that he talked about came true already.
I give him credit for his 5 sense conspiracy research, the way he was able to deliver easy to understand informaition.

I can see that his "lifting of the veil" was right on the money, but i am not buying shapeshifting reptilians that rule the world theory. I think that he was setup by PTBs
and that he realized it later, as he avoided this subject afterwards.

i am pretty sure that reptilians are not putting up those GWEN and cell towers and flying chemtrail airplanes that spew the horrible shit on us.

To me this is a greater concern.
But look, when situation looks the worse -- you need to step back and think, as why are they throwing all that negative shit at us, why are they bombarding us from every angle. if they are so powerful -- why is all of that directed at us?

[turquoisefyre]

I'd say there is definatley an awakening happening. but what about...hasn't anyone felt they are being supressed, so a full awakening doesn't happen...??


and of course, what is a full awakening??? do we wnd up flying like Neo:D :rolleyes: .(for those who have read about Atlantis, some Atlanteans were quite capable of either levitating or simply just able to take off...like that.!)

[king]

I'd say there is definatley an awakening happening. but what about...hasn't anyone felt they are being supressed, so a full awakening doesn't happen...??


and of course, what is a full awakening??? do we wnd up flying like Neo:D :rolleyes: .(for those who have read about Atlantis, some Atlanteans were quite capable of either levitating or simply just able to take off...like that.!)

we do not need to fly, only if we stopped killing each other
would be enough for starters.

but, if we embraced each other like human beings should -- imagine the kind of paradise that such mindset would bring?!

we have been suppressed for way too long.
i do not think that they can stop awakening, that is why they have intensified chemtrails, that is why they are churning negative news ad nauseum, that is why they
are pumping populace with drugs and poisons, and that is why they are doing everything in their power to supress the awakening to who we really are.

From demonising Crhristianity and Islam to getting you involved into "magik" and occult -- they are throwing everything at our youth, and youth is the primary target, they are the ones who can be reprogrammed.


We know that religions are used to manipulate people, but
why are PTBs trying to destroy traditional religions then -- if they are in complete control of them?!
It took me quite some time to figure out why are PTBs trying to destroy traditional religions, but i think i have the answer now;
ONLY if PTBs are able to break that SPIRITUAL link that still may be obtained by some traditional religions will they be able to win! Because, those followers of traditional religions are the major obstacle to NWO plan of total world dominion, just because of their "programming".

And we should know how difficult is to change people's beliefs. Just remember what happens when we try to tell regular people the simple truth that wold is manipulated
and how and you will know that beliefs are like super hardened firewalls.

I am sure that PTBs do not control all branches of Christianity and Islam, but yes, they do have their people like Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell (both cryptoJews) that lead masses of Christians towards Armageddon.
And I am sure that many of Moslems are also manipulated.
But, both of those religions are very traditional, and this is yet another obstacle -- tradition keeps family unit in "old mode" of operation. This is yet another reasons why PTBs want those people's traditions destroyed. that is why they are pushing Hinduism with its caste system because this is perfect system for them.


We should be able to learn to see in the dark, so that we can see the strings and who is pulling them.

Rest assured, Christianity and Islam are not a threat to humanity, you can either believe as they do or not.
Who cares.
It was not them starting all of those wars but it was PTBs that used them for advancement of their agenda, that pited one against other as they always did with everything else.
It was PTBs that used and are using false prophets that lead masses to the slaughterhouse. Because, people are people, we all believe in something. Just because you and many others may believe in UFO's or reptilians-- why should rest of us perceive you as a threat?
It is just a BELIEF!
You can believe in pink elephant if you want, why should i care?

PTBs are desperately trying to stifle the awakening, and awakening is first and foremost of spiritual nature.
awakening is your realization that there is lot more to life than you have been told, that you are part of creation, a very important part. awakening is when your spirit and your mind connect and when you become a part of universal consciousness, the moment when you realize who you really are, and when all of your programmed illusions begin to die off quickly.

now, think about this, if some pastor in your local church
or some Islamic 'Imam' can help you with your spiritual connection, with your awakening -- would not that be a major problem for the ruling elite?
Isn't that WHY PTBs are pushing youth to a caste system of Hinduism, with thousands of interpretations of the religion that are implemented by shipload of religious dictators, each making his own rules?! I was told that many of the Indian people are not let into the temples because of the rules that religious Hindu in charge have imposed. It is mini-Hitler syndrome and a 'bouncer' at gate of the temple is akin to the bouncer who decides who gets in a night club.
nice system, huh?

I actually talked to couple of Indians and what I heard and reserched later makes perfect sense as why PTBs would push Blavatsky doctrines that are blended in Masonic New Age religion on our Western youth and even rest of the world.

yes, those of us who are not religious, who do not subscribe to a belief system are being suppressed by all other means, ELF, chemtrails, omnipresent negativity delivered by the media.. etc.

the trick is to elevate above that and to get to know your self, and the only way that you can do that is to reconnect with your spirit. Unfortunately, no one can tell you how to do that, you have to do it on your own.
sadly, this is where many people get stuck, and that is
what PTBs want.

so, in this world of negativity, this "Armageddon" , a spiritual war against us all -- we need to learn to "be wise as serpents" if we are to make it.

But, i am confident that we will, as forces of good, truth and love always prevail at the end.
That is the only thing we should do anyways.

[seamus]

we do not need to fly, only if we stopped killing each other
would be enough for starters.

but, if we embraced each other like human beings should -- imagine the kind of paradise that such mindset would bring?!



Time for a song!!! This is one of my all-time faves. ROCK!

Seal
"Future Love Paradise"

But if only you could see them
You would know from their faces.
There were kings and queens
Followed by princes and princesses.
There were future power people
Flowin' love to the loveless,
Shining a light 'cause they wanted it seen.
Well there were cries of "why?"
Followed by cries of "why not?"
Can't I
Reach out for you if that feels good to me?
And the riders will not stop us
'Cause the only love they'll find is paradise.
No the riders will not stop us
'Cause the only love they'll find is paradise.
(Paradise yeah)

Don't you know that racism in among future kings
Can only lead to no good?
(to no good)
Besides your sons and daughters
already know how that feels.
One day (One day)
All the queens will gather round
Spreading love and unity so it can be found.
Well then all the riders say it's all to do with drugs.
Well inject me with your love!
Inject me with your love, alright!

And the riders will not stop us,
'Cause the only drug they'll find is paradise.
(Future love paradise)
No the riders will not stop us,
'Cause the only love they'll find is paradise.
(Future love paradise)
No the riders will not stop us,
(paradise)
The only love they'll find is paradise.
(Paradise yeah)
(Love paradise)

One in and out is gonna make you feel good
(paradise)
Coming at you like a hurricane would.
(paradise)
Stay close to me I'll always be by your side.
(Save paradise)
Save it baby you know that it's all right.
You remind me of a girl I knew.
(paradise)
So beautiful, what's inside you.
(paradise)
You make me feel like I need your love, love, love.
Want to fill me with your love,
Fix me with your love, all right!

And the riders will not stop us,
'Cause the only love they'll find is paradise.
(is paradise)
(Future love paradise)
No the riders will not stop us,
'Cause the only drug they'll find is paradise.
(Oh we'll be livin' in a paradise)
The riders will not stop us,
'cause the only love they'll find is paradise .
(Future love paradise)

They will never make you feel surely
Like you've felt never felt before. I'll
Give myself
To you.
And if you change your mind
I'll do anything
Just to make the world peaceful
Just to make life wonderful
I will drown all your sorrows
In a future love paradise.
(Future love paradise)
(Future love paradise)
They will never make you feel surely
Like you've never felt before
I'll
give myself

I get a rush every time I listen to that song. I can see it, King!!!! I can see it!

s

[mcmenek1]

We know that religions are used to manipulate people, but
why are PTBs trying to destroy traditional religions then -- if they are in complete control of them?!
It took me quite some time to figure out why are PTBs trying to destroy traditional religions, but i think i have the answer now;
ONLY if PTBs are able to break that SPIRITUAL link that still may be obtained by some traditional religions will they be able to win! Because, those followers of traditional religions are the major obstacle to NWO plan of total world dominion, just because of their "programming".

And we should know how difficult is to change people's beliefs. Just remember what happens when we try to tell regular people the simple truth that wold is manipulated
and how and you will know that beliefs are like super hardened firewalls.

I am sure that PTBs do not control all branches of Christianity and Islam, but yes, they do have their people like Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell (both cryptoJews) that lead masses of Christians towards Armageddon.
And I am sure that many of Moslems are also manipulated.
But, both of those religions are very traditional, and this is yet another obstacle -- tradition keeps family unit in "old mode" of operation. This is yet another reasons why PTBs want those people's traditions destroyed. that is why they are pushing Hinduism with its caste system because this is perfect system for them.

hh



Hi king,

I totally agree with what you are saying here......This is the next stage in the plan to create a NWO..... I’ve noticed here in the UK we are starting to see TV programs that are starting to question religion......the programs have academics questioning the relevance and viability of religion in the modern world..... they were looking at all the trouble it has caused through the ages and they were proposing the idea that maybe we would all be better off if we didn't have all these separate religions......so you can see where this is all heading.....

with all the separate beliefs and cultures around the world a NWO would be very difficult to implement as things stand at present........the thing is the "Powers That Be" have done such a good job of programming people to accept these religions in the first place, they are going to be hard pushed to turn it around.....but I'm sure they will have a good try....... their ideal would be to have a one world religion, this would fit nicely in to their plan of a New World Order.


Love
&
Peace

[father ted]

I'd say there is definatley an awakening happening. but what about...hasn't anyone felt they are being supressed, so a full awakening doesn't happen...??


and of course, what is a full awakening??? do we wnd up flying like Neo:D :rolleyes: .(for those who have read about Atlantis, some Atlanteans were quite capable of either levitating or simply just able to take off...like that.!)

When we're fully awakened, I'd say we'd be able to do whatever we wanted, including flying. Anything you can think of, which will be ALL possibility, you will be able to manifest anyhow. 2012 awakening that we talk about is just an awakening within the matrix, where all the rules of the matrix still apply, and we are restricted to. A true awakening is going past the matrix and doing absolutely ANYTHING we want. Icke wrote about this in "Infinite Love..."

So we might ascent to a higher level of consciousness or go to a higher density/dimension be it the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th etc, but we'll still be bound by the matrix. That seem to be a trick the matrix has, it fools you into thinking you've awoken, but instead, you're in another part of the matrix.

[premasai]

If your answer is 'yes,' do you feel or believe in an awakening that is independent of 2012, running parallel to it? Be as specific as you can.

We all know about this 2012 thing. And even though it's going to happen, I don't believe it's the real deal. Oh sure we'll move on to a less dense reality, but we are still trapped in the prison. The only thing I'm really interested about is weather or not the parallel awakeing Icke was revealed is in fact true. I'm wondering if others are feeling "something else going on" or if this whole awakeing thing is purely based on 2012 planetary alignment with the equinox, the end of a huge cycle, yadda yadda. If it is then we'll be ultimately disappointed.

Yes. I believe in that. Year 2012 is an end of certain planetary cycle (all this is happening in accordance to cosmic rules). Earth will go thru (it has already started) a cleaning cycle. Lots os vital energy will go thru our planet to clean it and increase its vibration. People will feel it (are already feeling it).
This why first of all (that's my personal opinion) Illuminati built HAARP project. Thay are bombarding jonosphere with very strong magnetic fielt trying to neutralize power of this healing energy.

Please see this. Michael Tsarion talks about 2012 and all the cosequences:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8545585184878490822&q=michael+tsarion

[cleft_asunder]

Well this thread stands as proof that maybe about 5% of you actually read and/or comprehended the original question. Seriously guys, what the fuck? You guys are REAL QUICK to talk about what you think is going on, except that I didn't ask you what your thoughts are on 2012. I couldn't have made the question any more straight forward.

When you say shit like "2012 is just another part of their plan," how does that answered the question? We already know that it's a possibility that 2012 is part of the plan. We already know that an awakening or total enslavement might happen in 2012. That's level 5. Let's move on to level 6 please. Level 6 is, "is an awakening going on independent of 2012?" Not because of it, but independent of it.

[cleft_asunder]

When we're fully awakened, I'd say we'd be able to do whatever we wanted, including flying. Anything you can think of, which will be ALL possibility, you will be able to manifest anyhow. 2012 awakening that we talk about is just an awakening within the matrix, where all the rules of the matrix still apply, and we are restricted to. A true awakening is going past the matrix and doing absolutely ANYTHING we want. Icke wrote about this in "Infinite Love..."

So we might ascent to a higher level of consciousness or go to a higher density/dimension be it the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th etc, but we'll still be bound by the matrix. That seem to be a trick the matrix has, it fools you into thinking you've awoken, but instead, you're in another part of the matrix.

Yeah, but I'm wondering if we just remain as that "flowing river" and we won't have the desire to manifest anything. In other words, will there be a benevolent universe or universes, or will we just stay in an "I am" state and not have any desire to move out of it for eternity. While this has been described as an ultimate blissful state, I find it mentally ultra boring. But hey, I'm probably wrong.

To me, even though I see the Matrix for what it is, I still feel like the general concept is amazing, although it would need to drastically be changed. I can not really conceive of a universe that isn't based on fear, just as I cannot think of another primary color. However, it would be rediculous to say that it is impossible for even an infinite numer of primary colors to exist, because if there were only 2 primary colors manifested currently, we would not be able to conceive of the 3rd, and so on.

[father ted]

The other thing is, the 2012 scenario might be a catalist for a real awakening, unlike previous matrix awakenings, "Infinite Love..." seems to suggest this, as those characters around Icke told him something like "this time, were pulling you all out", or something like that.
This state of oneness can understandably sound boring as you read about it, but being part of it would be another thing. I was knocking on it's door once, on a mushroom trip, and it's amazing.

[cleft_asunder]

The other thing is, the 2012 scenario might be a catalist for a real awakening, unlike previous matrix awakenings, "Infinite Love..." seems to suggest this, as those characters around Icke told him something like "this time, were pulling you all out", or something like that.
This state of oneness can understandably sound boring as you read about it, but being part of it would be another thing. I was knocking on it's door once, on a mushroom trip, and it's amazing.

I understand what you're saying. I'm surprised how many people don't. As for your last sentence, will you go into more detail?

[father ted]

On the mushroom trip, I was in a lot of pain, stomach pain, as well as trippin hard. Then I started letting go and I started feeling really good, I was also getting advice, whether it was from my subconsciousness or elsewhere. I didn't go on with it, because I didn't know what was happening at the time, I also thought that the reason I might have been feeling good was because I was moving into the afterlife, and I didn't want to. Reading Icke's book, I'm now pretty sure what was happening.

I think anyone can reach the state of oneness and anyone can tap into oneness,from within the matrix. We don't have to all be awoken for this to happen, but to actually get rid of the illusion of separation, I would say all consciousness has to be awoken.

I do think there is an awakening going on independent of the matrix because there seems to be more people who are understanding oneness. Example, there are (apparently) more and more of these super psychic children being born, and their ability seems to be that can tap into oneness and use their abilities that way. On Drunvalo's account, they can even manifest things out of thin air, and do other crazy shit. As opposed to psychics that stick within the rules of the matrix to use their abilities, like the indigo children. What I almost reached, in the mushroom trip was a completely blissful state of mind like Icke's ayahuaska trip, but that was just the state of mind, I'm also pretty sure, that there's also the ability part, where you can manifest anything you conceive. Icke wrote that in that trip, he was affecting the light bulb when he was in that state, sure it was assumedly uncontrolled, but that's just an example of how it's not just a state of mind, and so are the super psychic children (an example).

If everything is possible, then you do what you want, and no rules will stop that, as long as you don't hurt yourself (illusion of separation), unlimited everything. You can't get bored of that:)

[turquoisefyre]

When we're fully awakened, I'd say we'd be able to do whatever we wanted, including flying. Anything you can think of, which will be ALL possibility, you will be able to manifest anyhow. 2012 awakening that we talk about is just an awakening within the matrix, where all the rules of the matrix still apply, and we are restricted to. A true awakening is going past the matrix and doing absolutely ANYTHING we want. Icke wrote about this in "Infinite Love..."

So we might ascent to a higher level of consciousness or go to a higher density/dimension be it the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th etc, but we'll still be bound by the matrix. That seem to be a trick the matrix has, it fools you into thinking you've awoken, but instead, you're in another part of the matrix.

thanks, king & father ted,

i've lately realized that it really is my biggest wish/hope/dream to be free from the shackles of the matrix, just have to keep on going...but where do we go when we die???? do we not return to a state we desire? why are we needing to "wake up" in the first place? we just end up going to another part ? but then, the question would be...simply... would we be aware of living in that illusion..?

[seamus]

Why does everyone assume the matrix is bad? I mean, the gods made it for a reason. Remember Play? Fun? How about wearing an old comfy pair of jeans after a week's work at being a god. It's a reward, a break we deserve! It's only that nasty Jehovah and his fellow leeches that make this particular place seem so bad.

BTW, nice Av, Turquoisefyre ;)

s

[turquoisefyre]

Why does everyone assume the matrix is bad? I mean, the gods made it for a reason. Remember Play? Fun? How about wearing an old comfy pair of jeans after a week's work at being a god. It's a reward, a break we deserve! It's only that nasty Jehovah and his fellow leeches that make this particular place seem so bad.

BTW, nice Av, Turquoisefyre ;)

s


yeah, i was kind of thinking the same thing some time ago. i mean, if consciousness wants to experience itself apart just from bieng like gassy thoughtform, it surely would have to do something with itself. i'm just tired of this particular bastard matrix version. i don't know how else to put it i suppose.

thanks for the avatar comp, seamus :) i was hoping it' cheer people up...

[cleft_asunder]

Why does everyone assume the matrix is bad? I mean, the gods made it for a reason. Remember Play? Fun? How about wearing an old comfy pair of jeans after a week's work at being a god. It's a reward, a break we deserve! It's only that nasty Jehovah and his fellow leeches that make this particular place seem so bad.

BTW, nice Av, Turquoisefyre ;)

s

Read Tales from the Time Loop and Infinite Love.

[seamus]

okay. but i'm not gonna take em as scripture...

s

TF... Thanks for the inspiration :D

[father ted]

Read Tales from the Time Loop and Infinite Love.

Yeah, those two really go into what this thread is about and provide/suggest his personal answers to a lot of the questions that have been raised.

[cafetimes1991]

As for the awakening, I think so. Now in 2009, the Illuminati are really stepping up, but so are we. We've got the numbers, but I often wonder if it's too late.