Stars Community. Lets roll.

[ashur]

Hello all, I have known about this site for a while but only just recently joined and started browsing and becoming more active. People like Alex jones and Michael tsarion, David icke. The networks around these people interest me.

I expecially like some of the subjects raised on this forum. Particularly this one about communities.

If I had known people were interested in building a community from scratch I would say, ok, lets start fresh. We understand and are aware society is under some sort of control. But leaving details aside. we could build a base outside of the control system and become totally independant from it.

I'm sure this is not a new idea. But I have a unique perspective on how to achieve such an idea. And it begins with the right people. I don't care where in the world you are actually from. It only matters what you are interested in doing. If you want to be independent, and healthy as possible. Without actually cutting yourself off from society but being outside of it so to speak. This idea would suit you.

I need people who have the awareness and attitude of david icke, and Alex jones, Michael tsarion. If your stuck financially, feeling trapped, we can get past that. But it all begins with communication.

Anyone that wants to help with becoming independent and running and building, Creating something new. Something with meaning and based in truth. I'm all ears and am very interested in what you might have in mind. I suppose this is just an all out invitation to those like me that are fed up with the system and want to get together and do something about it by dedicating themselves to a more fulfilling lifestyle outside of this bizarre matrix of isolation and selfish materiality rat race.

I have always been looking for the type of person who never lost their senses growing up, the kind of person who never conformed or let the education system run them down into oblivion. Someone who stayed in contact with their soul, staying authentic to themself.

We can use science, religion, all those things, but when we begin to use them properly, without the interference of control and mindless sheep conforming not knowing any better. We can create something amazing. A truth that will outshine all this crap we have grown up in, and all the lies. If we used similar tools but with an authentic attitude to life and spirituality. We can create a community that is prepared to life live without blindfolds. People that are willing to explore the universe, and serve others. And not just living in a box with no understanding of what is out there to enjoy.

If anyone is interested lets just talk about it on the forum, and if I am lucky I might be able to contact someone that is serious about this idea.

Thanks for reading.

[mightiswrong]

Hi Ashur, I am very serious about setting up a kin domain as described in the ringing cedars series www.ringingcedars.co.uk/ It is very important to set up such a community with people who have a similar vision so that the co-creation is good, afterall our decendents will live there and may even have children together etc. I am thinking that a great thing would be to use the land to accumalate and propagate very good seeds of all the plants that will be needed by others when they too set up their space of love.

[ashur]

not many people are interested in the real world. thanks for the notice.

[mightiswrong]

Don't get put off by people who have little enthusiasm for your idea. There are some people out there who really want to set up communities of the sort you are thinking of. Indeed there already are many such communities set up. The important thing is to get on with it. There will be massive resistance from the governments and from vested interests in the system but all of these are powerless to stop Man from taking back his/ her motherland. There is a bright future ahead especially for those pioneers who lead the way forward.

[ashur]

So do you know anyone personally involved in this? Are you interested in joining me. What should we do now?

[mightiswrong]

Right. You have to decide where you want to live? What climate would you like? Which political situation i.e. which country is likely to be the most supportive, pose the least threat? In Europe we have the issue of language. Then there is land prices. Where is land the best value for money? Quality of land? (Stony land in hills may not be good to grow on but it is cheap and more secluded). How much capital for the purchase of land can you obtain? Probably £10,000 is adequate. If unavaibable, how can it be obtained (IT CAN)?

A very good first step is to start drawing on paper your plot of land. How will you arrange your land. Which trees will you grow. Where will you position your shelter. (You can start planting trees now in pots if you will not need to fly them in future). By making the plans on paper you are already beginning to manifest the reality. I am looking at this project in the USA for example http://www.livingonenessfoundation.com/anastasia_eco-settlement_project.html

Also check out the Anastasia books at. They have very good information on how to make this vision a reality.
http://www.ringingcedars.co.uk/

I am glad to talk about it. Let me know what you think.:)

[mightiswrong]

Yes I am interested. Tell me where do you want to set up a community?

[ashur]

I'm not sure which is the best place. I'd have to research which parts of the earth contain the most beneficial energies. Usually it's somewhere with the least amount of humans, rather than the cities.

These are the fundamental problems. You bring up some good questions.

Firstly, we can't do this with just me and you. we need an organization. Only when we get enough support for a common purpose could we arrange and manifest these kinds of things.

The capital is not really important if we have the right people who are willing to work on a efficient community. Capital is still part of the money system we are trying to get away from. If we have capital great, we can use it. Otherwise we just have to plow with the horses we have so to speak.

There is communities in existence that already provide peace, joy, love. Once our vibration is at that level we can access, see and live within them.

But this is about creating a different culture. Something new. This community is a creative expression. That will provide joy, peace, and freedom.

I think the first thing we need to do is this. Since we are communicating through the internet. We should create a website and forum dedicated to this. That way we can gather and choose which people who are interested in working on the project. the website will help define the purpose ad direction of the project. It can be a place to set up guidelines and the plan for action.

What do you think?

Organizations can be a place to find people who are suitable. But the project I am thinking of is unique and has never being tried before that I know of.

[mightiswrong]

I'm not sure which is the best place. I'd have to research which parts of the earth contain the most beneficial energies. Usually it's somewhere with the least amount of humans, rather than the cities.

True. This means that cities are the places that need the most improvement and the untouched areas should not be destroyed by people trying to get away. First we should clean up the mess we have made.

Firstly, we can't do this with just me and you. we need an organization. Only when we get enough support for a common purpose could we arrange and manifest these kinds of things.

I think 2 people is already a good start. I have some friends that I could invite and I am sure many people will be interested once things start taking shape. So I disagree. I think we do not need to wait for further support. That will come and there is plenty that needs to be done in the mean time.

The capital is not really important if we have the right people who are willing to work on a efficient community. Capital is still part of the money system we are trying to get away from. If we have capital great, we can use it. Otherwise we just have to plow with the horses we have so to speak.

I do not support the capitalist system at all but believe that ownership of the land on which this community is to be established will help protect it from the threat of eviction in the future. Therefore I consider it to be very important that legal ownership be established and this could require money. It is possible that land might be donanted for the purpose and ofcourse we could always just seize unused land but then their would be a greater risk that someone might come and claim the land and we might be forced to abandon our home.

There is communities in existence that already provide peace, joy, love. Once our vibration is at that level we can access, see and live within them.

But this is about creating a different culture. Something new. This community is a creative expression. That will provide joy, peace, and freedom.

Yes.

I think the first thing we need to do is this. Since we are communicating through the internet. We should create a website and forum dedicated to this. That way we can gather and choose which people who are interested in working on the project. the website will help define the purpose ad direction of the project. It can be a place to set up guidelines and the plan for action.

What do you think?

I have a website that is slightly disjointed at present as I am gradually shifting my plans but I have made the site flexible enough that it can adapt. I have set up a suitable forum titled: Eco-Villages/ Space of Love/ Kin's Domain/ Intentional Communities (http://www.traveluzion.com/discuss/index.php?board=125.0)

A seperate site is easy to create but there is plenty more that can be discussed here or at the traveluzion forums first.

Organizations can be a place to find people who are suitable. But the project I am thinking of is unique and has never being tried before that I know of.

Please tell me more about the project. :)

[ashur]

No I do not wish to discuss it with you anymore. Thank you for the response I apreciate it. I just can't spend time wasting my energy explaining and debating with you what you should already know. You have a totally different idea about this than me and I just find it ignorant sorry I have to move on. Thank you for you're time. This thread is here for anyone else who might be interested anyway. I'll make a website later. I'm not interested in what you agree with and don't agree with according to your ego. Those links are useless, distracting and I'm not going to be sidetracked by that kind of rubbish. Good luck with whatever your trying to create. And goodbye.

Lets see who else is interested that I could rely on. Anyone at all.....

[mightiswrong]

Those links are useless, distracting and I'm not going to be sidetracked by that kind of rubbish.


And what exactly have you contributed to the internet Ashur? Your feedback is unhelpful since you do not explain what exactly you believe is wrong with the site and so I can do nothing about it.

I'm not interested in what you agree with and don't agree with according to your ego.

You won't get very far if you are not interested in other peoples views. Perhaps you should live alone?


I just can't spend time wasting my energy explaining and debating with you what you should already know.

How is it that I should already know something when you have not explained your idea?

I asume that you have some airy fairy idea of just living on some land and take offence to my concerns about someone coming along and evicting the community from its land. Practical issues are not important?

If you are not interested in discussing your idea no one will know what you have in mind and nothing will happen. If you are the fountain of wisdom as you presume to be then is it not selfish of you to hold back your knowledge from the unwashed masses?

[boots]

No I do not wish to discuss it with you anymore. Thank you for the response I apreciate it. I just can't spend time wasting my energy explaining and debating with you what you should already know. You have a totally different idea about this than me and I just find it ignorant sorry I have to move on. Thank you for you're time. This thread is here for anyone else who might be interested anyway. I'll make a website later. I'm not interested in what you agree with and don't agree with according to your ego. Those links are useless, distracting and I'm not going to be sidetracked by that kind of rubbish. Good luck with whatever your trying to create. And goodbye.

Lets see who else is interested that I could rely on. Anyone at all.....

You wont get far with that attitude mate. If you want to be the instigator of a community you had better have more balls than this response.

Start with a book called "How To Win Friends An Influence People" by Dale Carnige.

[ashur]

Please do not give condescending insulting advice I didn't ask for. If you don't like what I wrote and think I'm weak or whatever, I do not care. Why? Because I only want to talk with those who wish to co-operate. Instead follow your own advice for now and read that book yourself. That way I might care. Until your not against me and see something of value. Until you are willing to actually do something constructive or discuss something relevant (this goes for anyone that might respond by the way) if that is not the case I would appreciate not responding to my call at all. As that would waste less time and be more constructive than a post that is just going to sit there and do nothing for anyone. Thank you.

With that said, I would like to welcome the less arrogant more enthusiastic people who have more discernment than a sedated seahorse. And less ego than thomas the tank engine. :D That way I can find someone genuine....Someone wise. Someone who knows what I'm talking about. Very hard to find but I have much hope! It looks like this forum has not many active members who are interested. So this might be not much good for recruiting until a later time. When things are more established.

Only those of supreme faith in what I know would even batter an eyelid at what I'm saying without any worldly results but the truth.

[ashur]

mightiswrong.

On further reflection. After I have cooled down more in my impatience and disappointment. I apologize and my faith in you is renewed! I made a bad judgment and should not have responded the way I did. That is why I got the backlash from boots. I do not take anything for co-incidence and boots was there when we needed him. But now we are moving on.

Here is my proper response to your post. Keeping in mind all of the above.


This means that cities are the places that need the most improvement and the untouched areas should not be destroyed by people trying to get away. First we should clean up the mess we have made.


Now cleaning up the mess is important. But we cannot make our home in the mess. If we want to clean up we must come from a clean place. Or we will be around mess when we are trying to think, be, and serve. A clean place will help us be in the right state of mind for this service. I have not forgotten about it but I don't want to live in the low vibration and mess. The higher vibration is there for us. We are not committing a crime by going to that area because we wish our vibration to be clean and high and to be aware of that cleanliness. This is why we will not be adding to the pollution because what I seek to create is in harmony with purity.

I think 2 people is already a good start. I have some friends that I could invite and I am sure many people will be interested once things start taking shape. So I disagree. I think we do not need to wait for further support. That will come and there is plenty that needs to be done in the mean time.

This is what I hate. Disagreeing without first seeking to understand. Please try and not jump to conclusions. This is also petty. Two is definitely a good start yes....I am not waiting for support. I am saying we need plenty of it. That is all. I am never just waiting. I'm doing everything I can to the best of my ability. My point is that as an individual I am limited in what I can do compared to the power of many together.


I do not support the capitalist system at all but believe that ownership of the land on which this community is to be established will help protect it from the threat of eviction in the future. Therefore I consider it to be very important that legal ownership be established and this could require money.

You do not understand. For example if we went and lived in the middle of the ocean, or deep underground. (not saying we will) Or on another planet. Sometimes there is no government or rules or anyone that owns it or can own it. Nature doesn't do that. That is what we are looking for. I am talking about remote. Secret. Out of reach from silly rules and notions of ownership. Not just out of the city on the side. They won't even be able to find us, let alone take the environment away from us. The entire idea of ownership is silly and your still caught up in it. Trying to fight against massive powers that are dictating you from within their own system is a bad mistake. You see even if you did own it. That is only an illusion. Because when the economic meltdown happens. Guess who owns it? Yes, the Rich 13 bloodlines of the Illuminati that own all the money and created money and the illusions and economy who generated the meltdown. Will coming running and take over your land soon as they change the rules to suit them. They will come and take your land away whenever they feel like it with any excuse they dream up in world affairs. Because they are the real owners of the system. You owning the land is just to keep you running away from them, so you stay in plain view under their deception. We want to get out of view. Out of the system. Only then can we escape their matrix. The fact you think you have to buy land. Is a direct indication you have not fully awoken out of that matrix. Out of that system of control. In saying that please don't take any offense that I think any less of you. I have to claim intellectual superiority on this matter. If you do not agree I suggest leaving because it will be useless to trying to subvert what I have come to realize. I'm just trying to find a way to make you best understand what we are dealing with. If you think I am in illusions, no need to respond to me any longer. I will not change my view on this.


It is possible that land might be donanted for the purpose and ofcourse we could always just seize unused land but then their would be a greater risk that someone might come and claim the land and we might be forced to abandon our home.

I would hope we think further ahead than this. Our home is going to be protected from any invasion. Because it will not be found by invaders. Do not worry about owning land. What is important is the seed of wisdom within us. That will create our home. Built on a foundation of rock, not a foundation of sand. It will not fall or be subject to ruin of any kind. It will certainly not be so weak that we will have to abandon it. You by far, underestimate my plans. your faith in me is also very weak.


I have a website that is slightly disjointed at present as I am gradually shifting my plans but I have made the site flexible enough that it can adapt. I have set up a suitable forum titled: Eco-Villages/ Space of Love/ Kin's Domain/ Intentional Communities

Great, but I still need an independent website. I am planning it right now.

A seperate site is easy to create but there is plenty more that can be discussed here or at the traveluzion forums first.

I will discuss on here until further notice. I didn't want to go into this to the depth that I did. But your response demanded we go down that unavoidable road of gradual revelation of my plans. With much reluctance I respond just to be fair to you. Unlike my first response. But remember both responses have equal importance.

[mightiswrong]

The entire idea of ownership is silly and your still caught up in it.

Is it?

So let's say we set up a community and I wanted to have a hectare of land on which to create a space of love for my family and descendents, you are saying that you would not respect that hectare as mine and feel comfortable intruding and plucking the fruit from my trees?

Trying to fight against massive powers that are dictating you from within their own system is a bad mistake.

Who said anything about fighting? Not me.

Because when the economic meltdown happens. Guess who owns it? Yes, the Rich 13 bloodlines of the Illuminati that own all the money and created money and the illusions and economy who generated the meltdown.

How is that exactly?

People buy land and property specifically as insurance against economic problems.

We want to get out of view. Out of the system. Only then can we escape their matrix.

I see. We have to go off into the cold winds of Southern Chile because the 'Illuminati' control the world. :rolleyes:

The fact you think you have to buy land. Is a direct indication you have not fully awoken out of that matrix. Out of that system of control.

I didn't say people had to buy land. Sure there are other ways but given that most of us live in western capitalist countries purchasing the land is probably the easiest way.

Even in jurisdictions such as the UK where living on the land is restricted who is going to complain about, let alone evict someone from a low impact dwelling (http://www.simondale.net/house/index.htm) on land they have paid for?

Needless to say I hope you have got over your anger and hate and are not pissed off at my comments afterall you do not own this thread do you?

Now there are some practical problems with your plan. Firstly there is no reason to hide away from the 'illuminati'. They control didilly squat. We control our own destiny and I for one am not going to buy into the idea that I need to hide out in nature from an all powerful 'illuminati'. Quite the opposite infact. I believe in an all powerful eco community movement that will turn our existing communities, agricultural lands and former industrial lands into beautiful gardens of life. Let's take back our motherland people.

[ashur]

So let's say we set up a community and I wanted to have a hectare of land on which to create a space of love for my family and descendents, you are saying that you would not respect that hectare as mine and feel comfortable intruding and plucking the fruit from my trees?

I would probally not be near you. Do the birds intrude and pick worms out of the ground from other birds property? Are the birds offended because they brought the property for themself? You do not understand the main principle and reality. If you really think you own the land when you buy it. Why do you still pay rates on it, and then why is there rules about what you can and cannot do with it. Whoever makes those rules, they are the real owners of the property. But they are not really owners of anything you just buy into this illusion and then get enslaved by it's concepts.

Now you may need to make do and buy some land for a stepping stone to something, but that is different to what I am talking about.


Who said anything about fighting? Not me.

Having something against conflict does not make it go away. It makes it worse.

How is that exactly? People buy land and property specifically as insurance against economic problems.

All they have to say is, the debt is too much. Land now has new rules. All peoples land now must... "bla bla bla" to make up for worldwide debt, and here is the new system. Or a new world order. To solve it. Hence the land no longer is in your control what they want to do with it.

Also natural disasters....what are you going to do about those. Your land can easily be destroyed in an instant and insurance doesn't always pay up if they can't afford it. Money itself is an illusion. Not to mention the dependancy on fuel and electrcity companies.

Land is only the beginning of solving the problem. Owning it is an irrelevant concept.

I see. We have to go off into the cold winds of Southern Chile because the 'Illuminati' control the world.

If your happy with humanitity and the direction it is currently going in. Feel free to be one of the lemmings walking off the cliff following the blind leaders.

You don't have to be in a cold wind in southern chile. You are unable to even string together a civil conversation you just want to be defensive.

I didn't say people had to buy land. Sure there are other ways but given that most of us live in western capitalist countries purchasing the land is probably the easiest way.

I didn't say you couldn't purchuse land as a means to further progress. But my idea of a culture or society that is in harmony ultimately does not concern themself with owning land or buying it. That is not the end result. It is just a small part of a plan of action if anything.


Even in jurisdictions such as the UK where living on the land is restricted who is going to complain about, let alone evict someone from a low impact dwelling on land they have paid for?

It's not about people making complaints. Look at it this way. Soon as a corporation wants to do something with the land. Such as build an airport, cut down trees, build a mill, or other things. They can get the land if they want it. You do not really 'own' it so to speak it can be taken away easily. You place too much faith in the security of ownership. It does not secure much other than an imaginary idea and perhaps an allowance to dwell on the land for whatever time period remains undisturbed according to certain conditions. Real ownership of anything can only be gained through wisdom, which is the only thing that can protect you from anything.

Needless to say I hope you have got over your anger and hate and are not pissed off at my comments afterall you do not own this thread do you?

Looking down on me is not going to help you. your response ses it all.

Now there are some practical problems with your plan. Firstly there is no reason to hide away from the 'illuminati'. They control didilly squat. We control our own destiny and I for one am not going to buy into the idea that I need to hide out in nature from an all powerful 'illuminati'. Quite the opposite infact. I believe in an all powerful eco community movement that will turn our existing communities, agricultural lands and former industrial lands into beautiful gardens of life. Let's take back our motherland people.

You do not understand what I am saying. Otherwise you would know that hiding is not part of it. It's about strategy and widsom. Positioning is important. If you think you can suddenly change peoples hearts at the blink of an eye and everyone will start building your ideal community from what is already here. Your in for a shock. Desires without discipline will lead to disillusionment and depression.

I'm sure you do not want to hear anymore from me without arguing. If the admin sees this message can I request that the thread be locked or removed. I no longer want it to exist.

[mido]

Concepts are great, but you can't survive on them.

[ashur]

true.

the thread hasn't being locked or deleted yet......

[mightiswrong]

I would probally not be near you. Do the birds intrude and pick worms out of the ground from other birds property? Are the birds offended because they brought the property for themself? You do not understand the main principle and reality. If you really think you own the land when you buy it. Why do you still pay rates on it, and then why is there rules about what you can and cannot do with it. Whoever makes those rules, they are the real owners of the property. But they are not really owners of anything you just buy into this illusion and then get enslaved by it's concepts.

Now you may need to make do and buy some land for a stepping stone to something, but that is different to what I am talking about.

I would be happy for birds to come and pick worms from the ground in my kins domain although I would note that people are not birds and some animals do mark out territory by peeing on trees etc. I agree preety much with what you are saying and hope that you are well and making swift progress with your plans. Please do let us know more about the wisdom necessary to secure a kins domain without having to lease it from the government. Have you set up your web site yet? My concern is that a communist kind of community is a flawed idea if indeed that is what you are talking about. I hold that a Man should have their own space of love and that the community should respect that space and not steal food or tax the resident. Further I would be concerned that my neighbours might polute my space with noise or chemicals, smoke etc. if there were no rules governing a community although I am aware that it is the culture that matters and can see that if members of the community have the same goal then there should be no need for rules. You must not assume that everyone understands your view and engage in respectful debate to reach agreement. It seems strange to me that you would post a detailed reply and then request it be deleted along with all the other words we have invested in this thread.